Full Show Podcast: 10 June 2025

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Speaker 1 (00:02):
Questions, answers, facts, analysis, The Drive show you trust for
the full picture. Heather Dupasy on Drive with One New
Zealand Let's get connected News talks that'd be.

Speaker 2 (00:17):
Good afternoon. Welcome to the show. Coming up today the
police Minister on how we deal with corrupt cops, Rawden
Christy once on TV Now a real estate agent on
how miserable Auckland is about the council valuations. And Murray Crane,
the maker of fine suits, on why we leave the
shopping trolley online without completing the purchase. Heather Dupericy Ellen,

(00:37):
It is as expected, if our office is anything to
go by Auckland as a miserable town today because the
house valuations are out and they are bad. Just about
everyone has jumped on the computer to have a look
by now, i'd say, and just about everyone's house has
gone backwards. So my house, our house, it's gone down
in value by eight percent. One of the bosses, not
too bad, only gone back by four percent. I don't

(00:58):
think anyone's house has gone up. In the office, someone's
house has dropped by two hundred and fifty thousand dollars.
One colleague, and this is this colleague is suffering more
than anybody else. Her house has gone down by twenty
one percent. That's one point one five million down to
nine hundred thousand dollars. Has another two hundred and fifty
thousand dollars shaved right off right there. Some some worn's

(01:19):
feeling agitated. I called a realistad agent today to see
if it's wider than just our office. They told me
yep and quote, people are not happy. Another realistad agent
and this is Rawden Christy, who are going to have
a chat too later reckons. He's already fielding calls from
buyers who are mid negotiation, who are now saying they're
not going to lift their offer anymore. They are just
going to leave it right where it is, because look

(01:40):
at the valuation that's out today. Auckland Council says they
normally have about five hundred people on their website at
any one time. When we called, they said they were
watching twelve thousand people on their website at any one time.
As I said yesterday, spare thought for Auckland. If you
have an Auckland or in your life, spare thought for them.

Speaker 3 (01:59):
Beginning.

Speaker 2 (02:00):
It's a tough day for Auckland today because I mean,
we take the mickey out of Auckland. But there is
good reason why Auckland feels like this. Houses in Auckland
mean a lot, don't they. I feel like, probably more
than anywhere else in the country, apart from maybe I suppose,
Queenstown and the surrounding area. Because houses are expensive in Auckland.
Young Aucklanders obsess about it. They scrimp and they save,

(02:21):
and they try so bloody hard to get into their
first house. It's totally understandable that absolutely no one in
this town wants to watch the house then go down
in value. But of course bear in mind it is
slightly irrational. If you are one of these Aucklanders doing this,
you are being irrational. You realize that because you're not
suddenly poorer today than you were yesterday, are you. I mean,
the value of the thing has not changed overnight. It's

(02:41):
simply just been written down. In fact, it was written
down a year ago. It's just taken them a year
to put it out there. And if you're buying and
selling in the same market, it really doesn't matter at all.
It's only if you're cashing up to move out of
town or to get rid of an investment property or
something like that, that this actually matters. Now, I say
that knowing that none of that is going to sink in,
going to continue to be irrational because it is all

(03:02):
in our heads, isn't it? We fell wealthier when the
house is worth more and that ain't what happened today,
Heather Dupe nine nineteen is the text number. Standard text
fees apply now. The Government is tightening its new anti
stalking law as a result of feedback from the Select
Committee process. The stalking law can now be triggered after
two specified stalking acts within two years. Initially, the bill

(03:24):
required three acts within one year. Paul Goldsmith is the
Justice Minister. Hey Paul, Hi, Heather, how are you?

Speaker 4 (03:32):
Oh?

Speaker 2 (03:33):
Yeah, I was going to say, was that the sadness
of an Auckland are just there that we heard? How
much has yours gone back?

Speaker 5 (03:40):
By thirteen percent?

Speaker 2 (03:44):
Of the jeeze some electric? Yeah, we've all that. Looking
there's there's the lone person looking in from Wellington. We've
identified you. Paul. Listen, why have you changed how many
stalking acts you need?

Speaker 6 (03:56):
Well?

Speaker 5 (03:57):
Look, we listened to the very strong feedback through the
sleek Midi process and we originally introduced the bill, as
you say, with three offenses in twelve months, and the
strong feedback was that actually, that's too high a burden
and higher than the existing sort of harassment. I think

(04:19):
you probably asked me questions about that when we introduced it,
and so we've taken stock, thought about and agreed to
the change.

Speaker 2 (04:26):
Fair enough. What is stalking though? I mean, because because
what I want to I just I looked at your
definition of stalking and I thought just a little broad,
isn't it? Like your annoying boyfriend who you're trying to
break up with, could could basically be accused of stalking
if they seen you two texts. Well, yes, but it's.

Speaker 5 (04:45):
Got to be with an intention element to cause to stress.
And look, we've got legislation in place at the moment
around harassment, and that the strong argument put forward was
from the particular campaigners on this bill that that didn't
capture all elements of the stalking that goes on. And
what we've seen is plenty of evidence that in certain circumstances,

(05:08):
these sort of stalking behaviors lead to more serious or
can lead to more serious outcomes. And so, and we're
all aware of terrible examples of that, and so the
purpose of this new provision is to broaden that net
and provide opportunities for the police. Of course, every prosecution
has to you know, the police have a discretion about

(05:31):
how to whether to prosecute particular cases, and so it's
about getting that threshold right and then providing more opportunities
to keep people safe, is what we're.

Speaker 2 (05:40):
All So, as you say, it has to be with
the intention to cause distress. But let's say you're breaking
up with your boyfriend, you've had a terrible breakup or
something like that, and they've seen you two texts within
the space of two weeks telling you that you're a
terrible person and you know, hopefully hopefully someone will break
your heart, blah blah blah whatever, you know, the usual stuff.
Wouldn't that be then classified as stalking because it's intended

(06:00):
to cause distress?

Speaker 5 (06:02):
Well, I mean, as we said that three texts before,
it might have been as well. And so but the
broad sort of defenses in the act still remain. And
also that's a you know, that's something that trying.

Speaker 2 (06:15):
To get Yeah, the point I'm trying to get to
isn't this like sort of famously hard to pin down
stalking hard to define.

Speaker 5 (06:23):
It is, and so you can't design any law that's
perfect in that sense, and everything relies on the discretions
of the of the prosecutors and then ultimately the court
to bring a common sense sort of approach to it.
But what we're providing with this legislation and responding to
is a very real sense that the seriousness of the
Act wasn't being properly captured by the laws that we

(06:46):
had in place up to this point. And what we're
doing is providing another sort of legislative tool to be
able to deal with situations. And so that's that's the approach.

Speaker 2 (06:57):
Is there a way I'm just I'm just thinking about
is Michael Forbes case, which you guys are dealing with
at the moment. Is there a way to make it
unlawful for somebody? And do we want to make it
unlawful for somebody to take photographs of women, you know,
with their butts in the air in the gym?

Speaker 5 (07:12):
Well, I mean, I hesitate to sort of comment on
a particular sort of case in the public mind, but
I think you know what we're talking about there in
the broader senses, you know, very difficult areas to set
hard and vast wolves about. And so what this legislation
has focused on things that are clearly intended to injure

(07:36):
or cause real distress to people. And what we're worried
about is those extreme examples where we're seeing a pattern
developed which ultimately leads to a violent act, and we're
trying to create a men the legislation so we're able
to catch those circumstances earlier and to avoid victims. I mean,
if you strip it back away, what are we trying

(07:57):
to do in justice? We want to have fewer victims
a serious wise crimes. And this is one tool that's
not going to fix every situation, but it may save
some lives and that would be a very good thing.

Speaker 2 (08:08):
Cool. Hey, Paul, thank you as always appreciated. That's Paul Goldsmith,
Justice Minister. Heither my house has dropped fifty thousand dollars,
my work colleagues has dropped three hundred and twenty five
thousand dollars. That's tough. Heather up in Wayouku four hundred
and ninety thousand dollars up to six hundred and sixty
five thousand dollars go figure. That's because it's the Franklin district,
and the Franklin district is going gangbusters. The Franklin district

(08:31):
has hardly been touched by it. Weirdly, that's did you
know there are more millionaires per capita in the Franklin
District than anywhere else in the country. So that's probably
got something I don't know. It's it's just a good place,
isn't It's where I'm from. By the way, Well, I'm
pumping it. Hither my property in Takapoona has gone down
sixteen percent, or seven hundred and fifty thousand dollars. Hither

(08:51):
it's a win. Lower value is lower rates. Take them well, okay,
hold on a tick. It's not lower rates, so is it.
So look, if you're an give me the thumbs up
because he's a genius and he loves things to be
correct and not wrong. It is not lower rates. It
just means that you may have an increase that's lower
than everybody else. So if you've had a fall that's
bigger than nine percent, the bright side is you're not

(09:13):
going to pack. Your rates will not go up by
as much as they were going to go up before.
But Ebra's rates are still going up. Four sixteen.

Speaker 1 (09:21):
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Speaker 2 (09:27):
Z be Darcy water Grave sports talk host with me now, Darcy.

Speaker 7 (09:32):
I love the fact the winner of the Paul Holmes
Memorial Award is actually broadcasting from the Paul Holmes Memorial Studio?

Speaker 2 (09:39):
Is this the Paul Holmes Memorials I.

Speaker 7 (09:40):
Named it that, so for me it is.

Speaker 2 (09:42):
She's your Honestly, sometimes you are a strange man.

Speaker 6 (09:44):
Thank you.

Speaker 2 (09:45):
Now, how did more one in Pacifica get enough money
to poach back a player from Japan?

Speaker 7 (09:50):
That I don't know. I'm not on the inside, but
considering they've lost fifteen players last week, you think they
might have a weave bit of money at the bottom
of the kiddy.

Speaker 2 (09:58):
Because have they lost RDI as well?

Speaker 7 (10:00):
Is already going at the end of this year or not?

Speaker 4 (10:03):
I not sure.

Speaker 7 (10:05):
I'd expect so, but.

Speaker 2 (10:07):
Would party would be a pretty penny yeah here, But.

Speaker 7 (10:10):
Artie was playing with no, no, they will He's going back,
isn't he? So they'll cross mid flight? But he would
have persuaded him. I'm sure it's coming over there. But
when you lose fifteen and then you get a guy
like Nani that that's great, but how long the club
will survive because we know that you know, that's managing
some financial issues. It hasn't made a lot of money.

(10:31):
Maybe that's James in the last couple of months with
the crowds they've turned up.

Speaker 2 (10:36):
I hope they do, mate, I wouldn't. I wouldn't hold
out much hope. I mean, I think it's just it's
it doesn't make a lot of money at all. Super
Rugby does it.

Speaker 7 (10:44):
Well, they've got some sponsors on board then working super
hard to drag more. So we don't know. This is
a room you're in and then your window. Nothing to
be backed up on that, but we do know that
none of them up be is coming back and that
guy is something else. He's so much fun to watch,
even at the right odd age of thirty two. It
could be a drawer card and maybe a drawer card
for other players.

Speaker 2 (11:05):
Yeah could beat Yeah, well, you know, maybe league players.

Speaker 7 (11:09):
He reminds me he's not being near of that class,
but a tone of who may sorry mixing them both
up because both fantastic centers, but like Mara is still
playing it. He's one hundred and fifty yeah. So this
guy's only thirty two, so he's got.

Speaker 2 (11:23):
As Okay, so why would if you were cricket, why
would you get a formal all Blacken as the head
of high performance? How does that work?

Speaker 7 (11:34):
He joins on the show to night. Yeah, so you
never listen when I talked to him about that, because
I will. The key for me is the fact that
he is not a cricketer, which I quite like, which
means he is detached from the whole cricket framework. So
he doesn't come in with any preconceived ideas. He's got
no connections to anybody. He's basically a free man. It
was coming in Brian's stronach roll. Well, he's a high

(11:57):
performance director and he's been walking as high performance director
of high Performance Sport in z So if anyone understands
high performance, it's him and that's what it comes down.

Speaker 2 (12:05):
Does that just mean director of fitness?

Speaker 7 (12:07):
No, no, No, he's looking across the black Caps, the under twenties,
the White fans, everybody and trying to work out a
way to hone their performance so they can get the
best out of what they've got. So with this case,
he needs to keep the black Caps up at the
top two, three four in the world, which is where
they are at.

Speaker 2 (12:25):
What are the leavers that he pulls? I mean with
a coach, obviously the coach would go up to the
bowler and say your techniques and it off, you want
to rub your face?

Speaker 7 (12:34):
They wouldn't say that. The coach would sit in the
background let one of his systems.

Speaker 2 (12:36):
Do you know what I mean?

Speaker 7 (12:37):
It's a matter of providing the systems behind the scenes
that give them the best possibility to create. So you're
setting a framework. I suppose it's the easiest way to
put it, and that Frameank needs to operate to the
best interests of the coach of the players. They're the
two keys and the systems guy. Yeah, well, yeah, prettymum.

(13:00):
And he's been around. I didn't realize he had a
couple of master's degrees.

Speaker 8 (13:03):
Derek Gibson.

Speaker 7 (13:04):
He's a smart, smart cookie. He was running a I
last spoke to him five years ago. I think it
was when he was the Warataz head coach and super rugby.
So it didn't work particularly well for him, but wonderful
rugby play. But he's came, he's retooled, he's whipped himself
out and now he wanders into this role and I
think most of us went well, didn't see that.

Speaker 2 (13:24):
No, not at all.

Speaker 7 (13:25):
Right, He's a good human being and let's hope it works.
I just like the fact that he's detached and he
comes from a background training high performance at Sport New
Zealand high Performance. So it kind of works well, doesn't
it totally?

Speaker 2 (13:39):
I hope Das Thank you very much. Looking forward to that.
Darcy Watgrab SportsTalk Coast. He'll be back at seven for
twenty three.

Speaker 1 (13:46):
Getting the facts, discarding the fluff. It's Heather duplicy Ellen
drive with one New Zealand. Let's get connected news talks.

Speaker 4 (13:55):
That'd be six.

Speaker 2 (13:58):
Heither my RV has increased one hundred and seventy five
thousand dollars. That's in gray Lin. Heather ours has gone
down six hundred thousand dollars. That's forty percent. If that's
not a rates reduction, I don't know what Ishither our
house in North Park and Botany increased ten percent. We
purchased it last year knowing that the CV was lower
than it should be. Hither our home and Ellesleie is
down eleven percent, but our our house and Omaha is

(14:20):
up seventeen percent. I don't understand it at all. Heather,
my two properties have dropped their CV by one hundred
and fifty thousand and two hundred thousand dollars. That's in
Hills Boran Roomy were respectively. Heather our house and Omaha
has gone up by twenty two percent. And I'm not happy.
I wouldn't be happy either, Greg. Thank you, because Greg,
do you know what you're paying. You're gonna go up

(14:41):
in rates, so you're gonna pay. You're gonna pay a
lot more on rates. The rest of us don't have to,
so we're gonna I'm just gonna thank you in advance
for what that rates pull is going to do to
your mate. I feel your pain now, Auckland, if you're
feeling miserable about this, this is going to put in
some perspective. Ocame a friend's Oriental Bay apartment in Wellington
dropped thirty three percent in value. It's not just Auckland.

(15:03):
And if we feel bad about the I mean like
we're hearing some worst case scenarios.

Speaker 8 (15:07):
Have it.

Speaker 2 (15:07):
In Auckland it's gone back by what is it like
on average? Nine percent? I think in Wellington it's gone
back on average something double digit. I don't want to
lie to you, but I think it might be forty percent.
It's no twenty four percent something. Anyway, it's heady, is
it's headeous. Everybody's going back anyway. We're going to talk
to Ruden Christie formerly of TV and Z about it.
He's with us ten PUS five. I've walks. You got
to get you across the corruption business. Plenty to get

(15:30):
through in the show, to stand by headlines the next time.

Speaker 7 (15:37):
You person Manie.

Speaker 1 (15:42):
Putting the challenging questions to the people at the heart
of the story, it's hither duplicity Ellen drive with one
New Zealand let's get connected news dogs.

Speaker 4 (15:52):
There'd be.

Speaker 5 (15:54):
No well, I can't remember everything we said.

Speaker 9 (16:00):
We said it.

Speaker 4 (16:01):
It's so many that you wiss.

Speaker 2 (16:07):
Having a chat to Mark Mitchell. Mark Mitchell the Police Minister,
because of course he's been warned that there is a
real problem with corruption amongst the ranks of New Zealand's
police and border security and private sector already common apparently,
and unless we take urgent action, the report says, bribery,
corruption and insider threats will grow. Quite what that urgent
action should be, I don't know, so we'll have a
chat to him about that. We've got Murray Old standing

(16:29):
by out of Australia and also we'll be going to
politics shortly twenty four away from five.

Speaker 1 (16:34):
It's the World Wires on News Talks Eddy Drive.

Speaker 2 (16:38):
Donald Trump is sending seven hundred marines to respond to
the protests in La California. Governor Gavin Newsom is suing
the federal government for deploying the National Guard to the state.
He's a former federal prosecutor.

Speaker 10 (16:48):
There is language at the end that says orders for
these purposes deploying the National Guard shall be issued through
the governors of the States. So the main argument California
makes in this lawsuit is well, this was not issued
through the governor through Gavin Newsom, this was Donald Trump
directly to the National Guard.

Speaker 2 (17:06):
Australian pro Minister Albow has done his first speech at
the National Press Club since he won the election. He
says he's going to increase defense spending, but not necessarily
by three point five percent of GDP as the US
has asked him to.

Speaker 11 (17:18):
Australia should decide what we spend on Australia's defense, simple
as that, and we want to make sure as well
that every single dollar that if ED spends results in
actual assets.

Speaker 2 (17:32):
More with Murray olds shortly and finally, yours call is
a Swiss man has broken the world record for the
longest time spent buried in snow while wearing only a swimsuit.
He's a competitive powerlifter and he decided to try and
break the record when he found out that nobody had
cracked two hours, so he set a new record of
two hours and seven seconds.

Speaker 1 (17:55):
International Correspondence with Ens and Eye Insurance, Peace of Mind
in Business, Murray.

Speaker 2 (18:01):
Old of your correspondence with us a mus Very good afternoon, Heather, Hey,
tell me before we get to elbow, tell me the
latest with the mushroom cock trial.

Speaker 12 (18:10):
Well, the prosecution, I mean we're into the seventh week
now and the prosecution forensically detailing its case against miss Patterson,
and basically the prosecutioners saying you've been telling lives all
the way along. You told lives about a string of things,
including you know, having cancer when you didn't have cancer,

(18:30):
basically saying, why on earth should you be believed? The
most recent example came today, Miss Patterson still on the
witness stand now as we all know. July twenty twenty three,
she had the in laws over for lunch and other
relatives and three of the four died. Now, it was
put to Miss Patterson that that she actually had a

(18:53):
different plate. She had an orange plate and the guests
had gray plates. And the prosecution says, well, you did
that because you knew you didn't want to have one
of these dreadful beef Wellington's, because they were absolutely you know,
they were licensed to kill, So you made sure you
had your own lunch on an orange plate. No, no, no,

(19:14):
she says, no, no, no, I had the same plates,
the same plates as my guests. She's always denied the
you know, the allegations, and it's look, it's almost painful
to be following this now because she just looks so discobobulated.
She's either you know, spun this entirely elaborate, false kind

(19:35):
of web, or she is genuinely in need of some
of some very serious help, because she just looks dreadful
on the stand.

Speaker 4 (19:42):
I'm afraid you say, must.

Speaker 2 (19:43):
Do you think they've made a mistake putting her on
the stand.

Speaker 12 (19:47):
Look, I'm not a lawyer. I have no idea, but
you know I mean I thought one A one law.
You never put your own your own defense. You know,
the person who's in the who was charged with te murder,
Why on earth would you put them in the stand
and explosion be cross examination? That would be my sort
of first thought there. Yeah, because she's making she just

(20:10):
looks she looks dreadful. And if she is, you know,
if she has mental health issues, well, now who knows,
does she or doesn't she?

Speaker 8 (20:19):
I've got no idea, never better.

Speaker 12 (20:20):
I've never heard her speak, but there are massive interest
in this trial, as you know, and she just is
making a complete hash of her own defense. It looks
to me from this distance and it.

Speaker 2 (20:30):
Does seem that, hey, okay, so what do you make
of Elbow speaking to the National Priests Club. What do
you have to say?

Speaker 12 (20:34):
Well, as you said in that clip, I mean it's
his first big speech, the big sit down after the
thumping election went Labor with ninety four seats in the
one hundred and fifty seat parliament. You've got forty three
for the coalition, forty three to ninety four, thirteen on
the cross bench. Now, we did expect, in fact, this
speech was widely well. It wasn't leaked it was given

(20:54):
to all the journals in Canberra beforehand, but look, you
didn't extemporize a bit and they look the key away
for me. And this has echoes of Bob Hawk over
forty years ago, nineteen eighty three. Bob Hawk beat Malcolm
Fraser in nineteen eighty three and the first thing he's
done is say right, we're going to convene a roundtable

(21:16):
of unions and businesses. We're going to work out and
accord to get this country moving. Because back then the
same as the Federation of Labor in New Zealand so fractious.
There are strikes to be a strike at Christmas, but
he postal strike at Christmas. There were strikes with Bundan
all the time. So Bob Hawk sorted that out. And this,
it seems to be what Albaneze's suggesting now. At the

(21:39):
start of a thumping majority with his second term, he
told the Treasure of Jim Charmers, I want you to
convene a productivity summit. Productivity identified by business, by the
opposition and by the government. That's the key thing.

Speaker 13 (21:51):
We're going to get driving here.

Speaker 12 (21:53):
So he wants business leaders, union leaders, civil society. You know,
I guess whatever that might be, they do want them
to sit down in Parliament in August and maybe set
the stage for something pretty ambitious. Who knows if they
can get all these people working together on the same
song sheet, because I'm sure the opposition.

Speaker 8 (22:12):
Will get an invite.

Speaker 12 (22:14):
Maybe we can see a rerun of Bob Ork because
he transformed the country. Australia desperately needs tax reform. You
can't keep relying on income tax. You've got to broaden
the you know, the consumption tax base. It's so narrow
and it's not paying its way. So will they have
the courage, the political courage to spend some of that
political capital and take on tax reform. Who knows, But

(22:36):
certainly he set the stage today for you know, a
suggestion that maybe he might mars.

Speaker 2 (22:41):
It's good to talk to you, as it always as
We'll talk to you in a couple of days. Again.
That's Murray Old's Australia correspondent. Thank you, listen Guardian. Okay,
The Guardian is carrying an exclusive story today that our
government is getting sued. Our government is being sued over
the emissions reduction plan of climate lawyers. It looks like

(23:02):
it's going to be the first government in the world
to be sued over its emissions reduction. Basically, what it
is in normal human being talk, not climate talk, is
the government's not doing enough to reduce the emissions, and
so they're getting sued by the lawyers. And it's the
first government to be sued, by the looks of things
over it. Now called the lawyer. So we saw this,

(23:24):
called the lawyer, said I don't know what her name is,
I can't remember, never heard of her before, and said
do you want to come on the show? And she said yep, cool,
And then called her again and we're like, right, just
looking in the time, and she was like, oh no,
actually I'm busy now. So we think what she did
was she realized that she was talking to me. I
don't know what her problem with me is. And then
we called the other lawyers and they also don't want

(23:46):
to talk. So Laura, how many how you get in?
Still no luck? Okay, So Laura is listen, there are
three hundred climate lawyers in this country, represented by the
two groups suing the government. Surely, to god one of
them is enough to come on this show. I mean,
you cannot. I'm not even a lawyer, like the best
I've got as a postgrad, Like I've only got an honors.

(24:07):
I don't even have a master's. I'm not that smart.
I don't even know this stuff. I don't know anything
about the climate whatever. Just come on the show. I
don't know why they're scared. Why are they scared? There's
three hundred of them. Anyways, She's just gonna work your
way through the list. Now she has to call three
hundred lawyers to try to find one of them to
come on this show at five past six. So, if

(24:27):
you are a climate lawyer, or if you've got a
friend who's a climate lawyer who feels more, today's the
day I feel like I'm gonna go up against tether.
I'm not only I'm not even in for a fight.
Just want to hear what's up. I'm not fighting with
you anyway. If there's one of them brave enough, can
they just give us a call? Please? What's the number?
One hundred eighty ten eighty that's the hotline. We'll patch
you through to the lawyer of the German and we
can lock you in because old mate who's in the Guardian,

(24:49):
happy to talk to the Guardian, happy to talk to
old Guardian, but not happy to talk to us anyway.
Standing by anyway, Thomas Coglin's gonna tell us more about
it in a minute, because we're gonna have to rely
on him, mate, because he's not a freight unlike the lawyers.
Sixteen away from five politics with centric credit, check your
customers and get payment certainty. Thomas Coglan, the Herald's political
editors with us.

Speaker 8 (25:09):
Hey, Thomas, good afternoon.

Speaker 2 (25:11):
So is labor going to allow? What is labour's position
on farmers in the ets? Have they made up their
mind here?

Speaker 8 (25:17):
Oh? This has been going on since two thousand and eight.

Speaker 14 (25:21):
Labor labors wanted some form of the missions pricing for
farmers the last government. They went into government saying, look,
agriculture is going to go to their easy yes in
some way.

Speaker 8 (25:31):
They eventually swerved into the hawaka you canoa if you
can remember.

Speaker 14 (25:34):
That, and that eventually resulted in some form of the
missions pricing for agricultural emissions, a split guest approach or into.

Speaker 4 (25:42):
The easy yes.

Speaker 14 (25:43):
If that all fell apart, and then obviously Coalition came
into power and got rid of that. So Chris Epkins
went on the Herald. Now showed this morning and said
that all of ex policy is under review, so sorry,
all of them. All of Labor's policy is under review,
and that means that there will be an a missions
policy from Labor, but just what it is wait and see,

(26:05):
So no one really knows.

Speaker 8 (26:06):
At the stage.

Speaker 2 (26:07):
I'm reluctant to get excited about this because these guys
in Labor, you know how they are. They float ideas
like this and then they have a giant fight with
each other because everybody has to be consulted in caucus,
and the policy unit has to be consulted in the
unions have to be consulted, and the membership has to
be consulted, and then by the end of it, you know,
nothing really changes.

Speaker 14 (26:24):
Yes, I mean what did Margaret Thatcher say the problem
about socialism was too many meetings?

Speaker 2 (26:28):
Yes?

Speaker 14 (26:29):
And labor does you know to be and not high
love a good meeting, but Labor does. It's fair to
say love a good meeting. It's hard to know this
the current the Chris Hipkins Labor Party is. It is
hard to know where it lands on a lot of
these issues. The Greens and Party Maori are very keen
for me. A large part of the Greens one hundred
billion dollar revenue change was money coming in from climate

(26:52):
change etes stuff. So the Greens are pretty into into
full on emissions pricing. Labor is It's very hard to
know where all end up, but I would imagine if
they end up with a policy that's too soft and
Jasindra Jones policy on cultural emissions it was quite soft
that was there were the agricultural emissions would have been

(27:13):
heavily discounted. If labor goes in too soft, they're going
to face a member's revolves. So I think you're right
here there. I think it will be wherever they land,
it will it will be something that involves pricing.

Speaker 2 (27:25):
Yeah, does he does? He? Is he just just floating
this as an idea before field day so that the
farmers don't give him too hard a time as.

Speaker 4 (27:32):
He walks through.

Speaker 14 (27:33):
Yes, I think he was asked about obviously this field days,
which is why he was asked about it. And then
I imagined Chrispinsaw's life flashing before his eyes and thought,
there's no way I'm going to talk about emissions pricing
before heading to mystery crea. And you know what, probably
probably that's that's the political radar that you get.

Speaker 2 (27:52):
I mean talking about Daniel and the Lions. Dan, I
absolutely would say something is dumb as this as well
as him as well. Listen, if you managed to get
a hold of any of these climate law is suing
the government.

Speaker 14 (28:01):
Yeah, I just actually got off the blower from from
from lawyers for Climate Action.

Speaker 8 (28:05):
A really interesting case.

Speaker 14 (28:07):
And you know, talking about consultation actually because you do
need to consult on a lot of this, a lot
of this submissions stuff. And they are arguing that the
government's changes to the first Emissions Plan, so that was
the Labour put up the first emissions reduction Plan. This
this government they amended it significantly. They're arguing that the
process wasn't followed properly and they want sort.

Speaker 8 (28:26):
Of declaration to that that effect from the court.

Speaker 14 (28:28):
That's that's sort of interesting, you know, going forward, how
how governments changed their missions plans. The big thing though,
the big thing is the second plan, so that that's
the one that the coalition government has has published. They
are arguing that this second plan does not meet the
goals of the Act, which is to reduce emissions and
reduce and warming to one point five degrees.

Speaker 8 (28:49):
You know, whatever you know you know that, you know
the drill. They are arguing that the plan doesn't do that.

Speaker 14 (28:54):
It relies a lot on unproven technology carbon capture, the light,
too much tree planting, and they want the court to
say so, which would force the government to do it again.

Speaker 2 (29:01):
Yes, because Thomas, they're not idiots and they can see,
like all of us what's about to happen, which is
we're not going to meet the target. We're going to
rely on tree planting, and then we're not going to
plant the trees either, so we're actually going to end
up doing Diddley squat. That's what's going on with.

Speaker 15 (29:14):
Yeah.

Speaker 14 (29:14):
And if the court says, if the court agrees with
that assessment, says not the second plan is not good enough,
then then Simon Watson, the government is going to have
to go back to the drawing board and do it again,
and that could be quite the cabinet fight I had mentioned.

Speaker 2 (29:30):
Interesting very much. Now did you say it was Lawyers
for Climate Action?

Speaker 8 (29:33):
Thomas, Yes, I believe that's the group, your Lawyers for
Climate Action.

Speaker 2 (29:37):
Okay, thank you, Thomas appreciated. Thomas Coglan The Herald's Political edit.
Did you call them, Laura, Lawyers for climate action is oh,
the ore the ones who are going to come on?
The are the ones who are going to come on?
And then they got busy, did they? Okay, we're not
going to hear from this, So happy to talk to Thomas,
not happy to talk to us. Eight away from five
putting the.

Speaker 1 (29:55):
Tough questions to the newspeakers, the my asking breakfast the.

Speaker 9 (29:59):
News from education as we find out we have more
teachers entering schools than in the past twenty years. Education
Minister Erica Stanford's well is what's the breakdown at locals
for immigrants and does it matter?

Speaker 16 (30:08):
Look, I certainly want to grow our own. We know
that last year we had a substantial increase in young
people studying at initial teacher education. This year this is
just provisional figures so far, it's a twenty seven percent increase.
So we are seeing more and more young people choosing
to go into education and be part of this world
leading education system. But we are bolstering the numbers, of
course by overseas teachers, and we have to do that

(30:30):
at the moment and we probably will continue to need
to do it into the future as well.

Speaker 9 (30:33):
Back tomorrow at six am, the mic Hosking Breakfast with
Mayley's real Estate News talk z B.

Speaker 2 (30:39):
Heather, the best question for to ask the lawyers is
who is paying them? Because they don't do anything without
first showing up payment, which actually is a very I
hadn't thought of that, and that is a fair point. Listen,
this is weird. I'd like to know what you think about.
I think this is bizarre. So did you know that
if you're homeschooled you are not allowed to compete in
certain competitions where the rules are set by school sport

(31:00):
In New Zealand there are a bunch of examples of it.
The most recent appears to be a thirteen year old
girl called Amelia Twists who was a top mountain biker
and was at the North Island School Champs recently and
came in third place. But she came in the third place,
but she did not get the medal. The mate who
came in at fourth place got the medal ahead of
her because she doesn't qualify to meddle because she's homeschooled

(31:22):
instead of schooled at a school, which seems which is
one hundred percent what the rules are and everybody apparently
knows it. But that doesn't feel fair to me, does
it you? But I don't really, I can't really understand
what the logic is for this, other than obviously trying
to kind of force people into schools. Now obviously, I
mean I went to school, so I'm going to be

(31:44):
of the view that kids should go to school rather
than homeschooling. Is I had some friends who did homeschooling.
I think we would all agree amongst ourselves it was
a wee bit weird, so I would I would say,
go to school if you can. But hey, I mean,
if you're homeschool for whatever reason. People have different reasons
to homeschool. I suppose shouldn't they be allowed to get
the medal? If they're a great mountain biker? Why don't they?

Speaker 8 (32:03):
Do?

Speaker 2 (32:03):
You know what I mean? Anyway, we're going to talk
to the we mate her missed out. She's going to
be with us after half past five and might try
to understand what the hell is going on here. Also,
the other thing we need to understand is what is
going on with us in online shopping. So apparently huge
numbers of us go onto the online shopping stores and
fill our little carts up with things. Oh we like

(32:23):
that outfit. Put that in there, Oh like that, put
that all that foundation looks nice. Put that in there,
and then we go, oh, can't be bothered, and we
just bail out. Don't finish paying for it at all.
Apparently it's about six billion dollars worth of purchases last
year we just left sitting in the little shopping cart
icon And apparently what is causing us to bail out
at the last minute. Two things the lack of free returns,

(32:47):
so you want apparently we want to know that we
can if it doesn't fit, we can send it back,
and if that's not there, we bail out. And the
second thing is postage. If the postage is too high,
we start getting a bit funny at about two dollars fifty,
but we really abandoned the carts at ten dollars plus. Anyway,
we're going to talk to Murray Crane about that. Will
be with us shortly, but first up, Sebachuk to Mark Mitchell,

(33:08):
police minister, about what we do about corruption. News talks ab.

Speaker 1 (33:29):
Digging through the spin sens to find the real story story.
It's Heather Dubassy drive with One New Zealand let's get
connected newstalgs'b afternoon.

Speaker 2 (33:41):
New Zealand is becoming more corrupt. That's the warning to
the government from the Ministerial Advisory Group into Transnational Games.

Speaker 17 (33:48):
We talked to our most senior officials in the police
and Customs and we ask them of the large scale
drug importations, of the large scale illegal tobacco importations, how
many of them and involve a corrupt official? That is
both far and the vast majority of those cases.

Speaker 2 (34:04):
Mark Mitchell is the policemanister how much?

Speaker 15 (34:07):
Hey, yeah, they look very First firstly, I just want
to really quickly say congratulations broadcasts of the year, well done.
You know I'm quite little to Hosker on his show,
but hey, it was fantastic.

Speaker 2 (34:18):
Then you pick that up as always you are so charming.
Thank you for that. You worried about cops being corrupted.

Speaker 15 (34:25):
I mean, you know, of course, you know something that
we always have to be focused on. We're not immune
to corruption and bad habits or bad behavior in New Zealand.
So that's why there's a very thorough vetting process that
goes on. The important thing is when there is bad
behavioral corruption that's identified in the police and by the way,
there's been one example of that in the last few years,

(34:46):
and the police were very quick to act on it.
The key to it is acting on it quickly and
making sure that it's purged out of our police. We
have got a world class police force. We can all
be proud of them, we can all have full confidence
in them. But it's like any big organization. Occasionally you
get a bad apple that comes forward, but you've got
to deal with them quickly.

Speaker 18 (35:06):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (35:06):
I mean, it's not just the police obviously, as the
customs guys and the immigration guys and the border officials
and stuff. So how do we actually deal with it?
How do we stop this happening?

Speaker 15 (35:15):
Well, I mean, first of all, we do. I know
I keep saying it, but I spent a lot of
time overseas and in the logistics and a big part
of my job with a global logistics company was dealing
with corrupt officials and corruption right throughout the whole system.
We're very lucky back here in New Zealand that, although
we have to be vigilant and we have to be
aware of that behavior and we're not immune to it,
we've actually got world class custom services police service. You

(35:40):
know that the agencies that deal with this are quite
simply outstanding. But we have to make sure that we
continue to vet. We have to make sure that we're vigilant,
and we have to make sure that when we do
see evidence of corrupt behavior or poor behavior, that we
act on it quickly.

Speaker 2 (35:52):
Do we need to accept that we also have to
pay our people more so that they don't need to
top up their incomes.

Speaker 15 (35:58):
Well, that's you know. We always want to pay more.
We want to pay our first responders more. It's just
natural as a country. And I think that as we
start to recover fiscally and as we start to see
some growth, those are the sort of options that become
open to a government. But we came in in the
complete opposite situation. We were having to be very fiscally
disciplined and restrained to get us back on the right
track again.

Speaker 2 (36:18):
Listen, have you asked the police commissioner to explain why
no one in the cops told you that they sees
Michael Forbes's work phone.

Speaker 15 (36:27):
No, he did inform me when it's when he became
aware of the situation that do under no surprises look
at the time, I don't know. The Prime Minister has
obviously asked for DIA to have a look at this
and go back so that we can work out and
see what the answers are around that. But again, like
I said, the important thing is when you do become

(36:48):
aware of these things, you've got to act quickly, and
that's exactly what happened in this case.

Speaker 2 (36:52):
All right, Mitch, thank you, has always appreciated Mark Mitchell,
Police Minister.

Speaker 4 (36:56):
Heather Duplessy Allen.

Speaker 2 (36:57):
Auckland Council has released the property valuation for Auckland City.
Been a bit delayed, not pretty. Valuations are down nine
percent on average, some properties are down significantly more. Barford
and Thompson's Rawdon. Christie's with us at Rawdon.

Speaker 6 (37:10):
Hello, how are you, Hannah?

Speaker 2 (37:12):
You good, very well. It's lovely to talk to you again.

Speaker 4 (37:14):
Ruden.

Speaker 2 (37:14):
Listen, you had any phone calls from upset homeowners about this.

Speaker 19 (37:18):
I've had conversations with concerned homeowners, but I think all
vendors at the moment have been a little bit concerned.
This is just another little bit of a body blow,
and I'm trying to sort of make people realize, both
both vendors and buyers, that these counts of valuations really
should be by and large just ignore them because they

(37:40):
are not a property valuation. But it's very hard to
tell people that because people do still look at counsel
valuations and think they give you and some sort of
indication on property value.

Speaker 2 (37:50):
Yeah, do you reckon it's going to have any impact
on deals or wrong? Whether people want to list their
houses at the moment.

Speaker 19 (37:56):
I've had conversations with buyers today who are putting four
offers and are making it very clear that they think
their offer is particularly good given the fact that counsel
values have dropped today. And that's a really significant thing
because that they are just saying, I would potentially reconsider
the offer I'm putting forward were it at a worthy

(38:19):
council valuation to have dropped by a certain amount. Now,
whether that's buyers just because buyers do hold all the
cards at the moment to an extent, whether that's just
them having yet another arrow in their in their in
the bow as such to be able to beat prices down,
I'm not sure. But that conversation has been had several

(38:39):
times today.

Speaker 2 (38:39):
Have you had a look at how much your house
went down?

Speaker 19 (38:42):
I haven't looked. I don't want to, because that's the reality,
is that We're just going to have a whole heap
of really depressed people because we all think, we all
think we're poorer now, which is not true.

Speaker 2 (38:51):
No, it's all in their here. It's completely irrational. Rud
and I really appreciate it. Thanks for sitting it straight,
Rud and Christy real estate agent. I'll tell you what
I would hate to be in retail this weekend. So
just feel like everybody's going to be so depressed they're
not going to go out and spend any money at.

Speaker 4 (39:03):
All together, do for se Ellen?

Speaker 2 (39:07):
Can I ask you is it notable? Is it a
big deal that a key we has won Alone? I
don't because I'm asking this because famously obviously don't watch television,
so I don't know. But apparently, what if you don't
know what a loan is, I'm told by the websites
that Alone is a TV show where they drop about
ten people in the in the in the bush somewhere

(39:28):
and they let them kind of, you know, try and
survive by themselves, and eventually, at some stage one of
them has lasted longer than the others. As a chap
who's a possum trapper from the Bay of Plenty has
just one and at one of the loans and he
was out there for seven to six days and he
lost weight and there were worms involved, and I didn't
want to read too much about the worms with the
worms and his tummy. Had he eaten the worms? Did

(39:48):
he cut? Like what role the worms played? I don't
want to know. But is this one himself quughed of
a million dollars so he's going to be that'll help him,
you know, offset the value of the propert dropping is
just experienced. But is this a big deal? I don't know.
Nine two nine to two notable exceptions on properties that
have gone down because obviously everybody's texting me. Ash's house

(40:09):
has gone from one point four million to nine hundred thousand,
so she's lost five hundred. She's in Glenfield. Some people
very excited because Bob Bob Bob's burned baby burns so
that he can get into the property market and goes on.
Some notable exceptions, the Mowbrays not doing too badly their
mansion and Coatsville has gone up three percent from thirty
nine million to forty point five million. The Hotchin's obviously

(40:33):
owned the place in Iraqi that's gone up twenty five percent. Ah,
that's not bad at all. Fifty eight million gone up
to seventy two point five million. So some people are
doing okay, some people everybody else not so good. Fourteen
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Speaker 4 (41:41):
Z ever dupers Ellen.

Speaker 2 (41:44):
Heather, Oh oh, but thank you. This is about the homeschooling, Heather.
Stupid rule on the school sport. Reason is supposedly the
homeschool kids could do extra training versus the school kids
who are stuck in the classroom. Now, I don't know
about that. That doesn't seem to me like a good
enough reason because I mean, is that a good enough
reason to stop them getting medals because they spent extra
time training. I mean, you can't control for that, can you?

(42:06):
Even kids who go to school. Some kids will train
more than other kids. Some kids will just train an
hour or so. Anyway, I think it's really good at
kill us, Heather. Are we going to talk to Amelia Twists,
who's the mountain biker who'll be with us after half
past talk us through the online shopping. We need to
talk about this now. Apparently most of us about sixty
eight percent of us, and not following through with online
purchases if the cost of shipping is too much Murray

(42:29):
Crane from Crane Brothers is with us right now. Murray, Hello, Hello.
Is it the crum Well? Thank you? How are you?

Speaker 20 (42:37):
I'm good?

Speaker 2 (42:38):
Thank you? Is it the delivery cost?

Speaker 20 (42:43):
That's a combination of things. I think delivery cost is
probably part of it, but most people would know what
that was prior to getting to that going to the transaction.
I think a lot of it's got to do just
change it in the way people shopping, a little bit
of buyer's remorse maybe, or they're using the cart as

(43:05):
a kind of a research like a Pinterest board to
put all the things in that they think they might like,
and then they kind of do a review and realize
that they don't like it. So there's a whole lot
of factors contributing to them not going through with that
last kind of part of the transaction.

Speaker 2 (43:24):
I've got a text from someone and I do this, okay,
So I've got a text from someone who said that
the girlfriends and they often abandon the cart because they've
already got the dopamine hit just by putting the stuff
in the cart.

Speaker 20 (43:35):
Yeah, that's definitely I think that's part of it, because
it is you know, you're pretty much going through eighty
to eighty five percent of the shopping experience without him
to buying a thing. So I can see why that
would happen. Also, I think that it's increased with the
increase in people working from home as well, because they
have more time to do such things.

Speaker 2 (43:58):
Maybe they have So you, as a retailer, go and
look at all these abandoned carts.

Speaker 20 (44:05):
No, we, I mean most retailers, we're probably I would
like to think quality of a quanci interns of our
online transactions, Like it's still quite a small part of
our business so in terms of volumes, So we would
generally have some kind of automated message that would go

(44:26):
out for an abandoned cart, just checking them with the
client to make sure that there wasn't some reason why
they had abandoned it, ie, they weren't sure on their
sizing or some other issue that they had encountered, so
that we're wherever possible, we want to try and engage
with them directly as soon as we can if we

(44:48):
feel there's an issue there, like sizing can be an
issue with clothing. People were like, oh, maybe I'm a medium,
maybe I'm a large, Maybe I didn't measure myself. So
that's always a bit of a that's always a real
kind of pain point for buying clothing online, unless it's
a brand that you've bought off before. We find with

(45:10):
clients that have shopped with us previously that they don't
have any issues and generally will go straight through. But
if it's a new person or someone from overseas, they may.

Speaker 8 (45:19):
That this is what this is.

Speaker 2 (45:22):
The I run into Murray, thank you, Murray Crane Crane
Brothers co owner. I can't be fatht, do you know
what I mean? Like so the other day but too
much information. But whatever, it's me, we know each other.
I have to buy some bras and I just cannot
be fatht going into the brass stores, you know what
I mean. Like, there's nothing worse. There's shopping sucks, but
BRA shopping is another level of suckiness. So anyway, I

(45:44):
just went online and I was like, oh what if
I know been done and then there was get the
tape measure out. I was like, oh, then I have
to go into the kitchen and I have to reach
up there. I have to get the sewing box down,
get the tape measure out, you know, measure around your busts.
So I was like, oh, no, I forget about it.
I'll just take a guess. I guess right. Well, that
was lucky, wasn't it, because it could have gone the
other way. But that is the problem with clothes shopping

(46:04):
is that no one wants to be what, you know,
sizing up your own thighs. Do you see if you're
gonna fit the pants?

Speaker 8 (46:10):
Is?

Speaker 2 (46:10):
This is why bricks and mortars will never bricks and
mortar will never disappears disappear. Lord, Okay, listen. Sorry, I'm
getting a lot of text saying I should have given
you a spoiler alert about alone, and I'm sorry about that.
I'm sorry that I didn't. However, I just assumed that
you were getting the notifications that I was, because literally
everybody's notified. One News notified me, The Herald notified me,
stuff notified me on my phone. So I just thought

(46:31):
everybody knew that that the guy had won. I'm not
saying anything anymore about it. Twenty three past five.

Speaker 1 (46:38):
Checking the point of the story, it's Heather Duplicy Ellen
drive with one New Zealand let's get connected and youth talks.

Speaker 2 (46:46):
They'd be hither I leave the cart at the very
last step, because nine times out of ten I'll get
a discount code sent to me to complete the transaction.
Very smart from you, five twenty five. Now, look, I
have no trouble at all believing that New Zealand is
becoming more corrupt you. I mean, just look at the
examples that we see popping up in the media in
the last few years. You had that Auckland cop paid
tens of thousands of dollars by the organized crime groups

(47:08):
for leaking information about investigations. You had years ago warnings
about Asian gangs trying to bribe cops. Recently had the
Auckland airport baggage handler who had a quarter of a
million dollars in his roof cavity. He was helping the
gangs smuggle drugs, hence the money. You had the Ports
of Auckland supervisor who was helping the mongols shift a
container with drugs in it. They found one hundred thousand

(47:29):
dollars in a shoe box at her house. So I've
plenty of examples. But also it does feel slightly inevitable,
doesn't it. I mean, I think this was obviously going
to happen. The minute we started letting Australia to port
sophisticated gang members to New Zealand. Because these guys treat
their drug operations like a proper business. I mean, this
is not like the Mungrel mob anymore. Mungrel mob just
making some spare cash from some tennes to top up

(47:50):
their benny. You know, that was annoying and that was bad,
but it's not on the same level as what we're
dealing with now. These guys we've got now like the
common gero's, they're actually running proper business operations designed to
make them rich. But also I think this is just
inevitable when your country gets bigger, right, this is what
happens when the country grows, because statistically you are going
to get more corrupt people. And also corrupt people know

(48:13):
that they can be corrupt because they kind of get
lost in the numbers. But also I think it is
what happens when you don't pay your police and your
customs and your immigration guys and your baggage handlers and
blah blah blah. It's when you don't pay them enough,
they find ways to top it up. Now, what we're
being told is we need to do something about this
urgently in order to get on top of it. I
don't know that we can get on top of it.
I don't know that we can ever really go back

(48:33):
to not being corrupt if we ever really were. In
order to do that, in order to go back to
that happy day, we'd have to get rid of these
gangs that are now in New Zealand. And I think
we all know we're here to stay. But I do
think if we can control one thing, it is that
we pay our people enough so at least they are
not trying to top up their income as.

Speaker 4 (48:51):
Well ever do for see Allen.

Speaker 2 (48:53):
I'm quite sad news. Unfortunately, apparently there are claims that
King Charles's cancer is incurable.

Speaker 12 (48:59):
Now.

Speaker 2 (48:59):
This has come from the Royal insider Camilla Tomony. She's
revealed that sources have told her that while the cancer
is under control, it's ultimately not going to be cured.
He may not die of cancer, but he will die
with cancer, and the hope is that he will make
his eightieth birthday. He's seventy six at the moment he
turns eighty and twenty twenty eight, so it's say three
and a bit years. She's got good sources. You can

(49:23):
believe her. She was the first to report that Kate
Middleton and Megan Markle had fallen out. So it's very sad.
News headline's next.

Speaker 1 (49:32):
After making the news, the newsmakers talk to Heather first.
It's Heather duplessy Ellen drive with one New Zealand. Let's
get connected and news dogs, they'd be cold. You've taken me,
would you name?

Speaker 21 (49:48):
Go to.

Speaker 4 (49:53):
Kenny.

Speaker 2 (49:53):
You keep saying you need to pay the frontline enough
so they don't become corrupt, But you can never pay
them enough when a gangster will offer, say fifty thousand
dollars or more to pass something through or whatever. Look,
that's fair. You can, I think you can make it
less of an incentive, right, but you can never really
if somebody is prepared to go down that path. And also,
by the way, let's not be naive about this. The
gangs will be placing people in those positions. They're already

(50:15):
corrupt before they get the job at the border. So
and how do you get around that? Apart from as
mark which I was saying, a copious amount of vetting,
Laura managed to getting climate lawyers, no no climate, no
climate lawyers, to be fair, okay, to be fair to Laura,
it turns out that the list of three hundred lawyers
is not published online. So are there three hundred lawyers?

(50:38):
We don't know anyway, I think how many did you call?
Hold up your fingers.

Speaker 4 (50:42):
Four?

Speaker 2 (50:43):
Four climate lawyers said no, And these are the big guys.
These are the ones fronting that anyway, They're not going
to come on the show whatever. But we have got
a climate consultant, Christina Hood, who does understand what's happening
here and will be able to talk us through this.
And the significance of these lawyers suing our government, the
first government to be sued over the climate reductions planned.
So that's after six o'clock, twenty three away from.

Speaker 4 (51:03):
Six heather due for sea als.

Speaker 2 (51:05):
Now there's a campaign to change the rules about homeschooled
kids competing in competitions. It turns out that kids who
are homeschooled are allowed to participate at interschool competitions, but
if they place first, second, or third, they're not allowed
to receive their medal. Now, thirteen year old Amelia Twist
is a mountain biker who has denied a third place
medal recently, and she's with us now hey, Amelia, Hi Amelia,

(51:28):
this doesn't seem fair to me. Does it seem fair
to you?

Speaker 11 (51:31):
No?

Speaker 2 (51:32):
Why are they denying you the medal? What's the story?

Speaker 13 (51:38):
Well, they think that we have.

Speaker 4 (51:41):
Because we're homeschooled.

Speaker 2 (51:43):
And when your homeschooled, is it because you've got too
much time?

Speaker 15 (51:45):
Have you?

Speaker 2 (51:47):
That's what they say to be able to train? So
it basically gives you an unfair advantage over the kids
who are sitting in classrooms.

Speaker 13 (51:54):
That's what they say.

Speaker 2 (51:55):
Yeah, how much do you train every single day?

Speaker 13 (51:59):
I don't train, I just ride my bike.

Speaker 2 (52:03):
And would you ride your bike every day? Amelia?

Speaker 8 (52:05):
No, not even close.

Speaker 2 (52:07):
How often would you ride your bike.

Speaker 22 (52:11):
Once or twice a week?

Speaker 2 (52:13):
And how often? How long are you riding?

Speaker 8 (52:14):
For?

Speaker 4 (52:17):
Two?

Speaker 8 (52:17):
Three hours?

Speaker 2 (52:18):
Okay, so you're going to take You've got a petition
have you that's been signed by a bunch of people
to change the rules.

Speaker 6 (52:25):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (52:26):
How many people have signed it.

Speaker 4 (52:29):
To? Almost two thousand and five hundred.

Speaker 2 (52:32):
Okay, were and you're riding to Parliament with this petition?

Speaker 22 (52:36):
Yeah, I'm riding from Grassroots Trust, bellered Room and Cambridge
to the steps of Parliament and Wellington.

Speaker 2 (52:41):
Made are you going to be riding on the road.

Speaker 13 (52:45):
We're doing a.

Speaker 16 (52:45):
Mix of back roads and mountain bike trails.

Speaker 2 (52:49):
You got your mum or dad with you?

Speaker 13 (52:50):
A uh yeah, they'll be supporting us and riding sections
with us.

Speaker 2 (52:55):
Oh thank goodness. You can't be riding out there by yourself. Well,
don't tell the people about this. Once you've ridden all
the way down to Wellington. You'll be fantastic at the bike,
won't you. Yeah, all right, best of luck. I hope
you change the rules because this is ridiculous. Amelia, Thanks
very much. Amelia twists Mountain Biker.

Speaker 1 (53:12):
The Huddle with New Zealand Southby's International Realty Find you're one.

Speaker 2 (53:16):
Of the kids right on the huddle of us has Evening,
got Ben Thomas and Craig Rennie. How are you too, Craig.
This seems like a ridiculous rule, doesn't.

Speaker 6 (53:26):
It It does.

Speaker 21 (53:27):
It seems like the sort of rule up was invented
because at some point in time somebody somewhere cheated. But
I would hope that a little bit of common sense
would apply here and that we wouldn't end up in
this sort of space.

Speaker 2 (53:39):
But I mean, is spending because cheated? I mean training
extra in a day is not cheating, right, I mean,
training extra in a day is just being passionate about it,
and surely we should be encouraging that rather than saying
kings can't do it.

Speaker 21 (53:52):
Yeah, but I think it's probably been designed to stop
particularly ambitious parents pushing their kids into lots and lots
of training. And I think you know that it's always
a consequence. It seems like a rule that's designed for
one thing and certainly not for the case here.

Speaker 2 (54:07):
Yeah, do you reckon, Ben? I mean you've worked in
parliament heaps, do you reckon? This is the kind of
thing that we'll actually have a rule change.

Speaker 15 (54:14):
Uh?

Speaker 6 (54:17):
Is it a policy? Is it? Is it a regulation?

Speaker 2 (54:20):
I think it's I think it's a rule set by
school Sport New Zealand.

Speaker 6 (54:24):
Well, look, if it's a regulation, we could get the
Regulation Review Committee onto it like they did the Tea
king a Continuing legal Education. They might they might have
a taste for blood now, But I mean, yeah, it's.

Speaker 2 (54:37):
No, it's public pressure, isn't it, Ben?

Speaker 6 (54:39):
Well, it's it seems like the sort of rule that
makes a lot of sense if you're talking about say,
college sports in the States, you know, I mean, is
anyone really incentivized to sort of make big money on
the primary school mountain bike circuit by calling their kids
out of classes. That it all seems a bit silly.

Speaker 2 (55:00):
Does doesn't it?

Speaker 4 (55:00):
Now?

Speaker 2 (55:00):
Being are you still in Auckland? Do you own a
house in Auckland by.

Speaker 6 (55:03):
Any chance, I've got a place in Auckland. Yeah, but
I'm down at Wellington most of the time. So worst
of both worlds.

Speaker 2 (55:10):
Yeah, and so did you have a look at the
valuation today?

Speaker 16 (55:15):
No?

Speaker 6 (55:15):
No, haven't had a look, although, look, my sense is
in Auckland there. I understand people are pretty disappointed about it,
but I always thought that there as an Auckland. In
the same way that Huntergethers always sort of knew where
North was when they were out in Auckland, they should
always roughly know the market price of their home.

Speaker 2 (55:35):
Yes, I think they probably do, Craig, But I think
there's a difference, isn't there between what you think your
house is worth and then you see the thing written
down on the bit of paper and it's shocking.

Speaker 8 (55:44):
Oh.

Speaker 21 (55:44):
I think some people have had a very nasty surprise
thinking that their properties have been immune from the downtown
and properties over the path.

Speaker 2 (55:52):
But being a good man of the left. You'll be pleased.
You'd be like, this is what we need. Downturn and
the property prices.

Speaker 21 (55:58):
Oh, I don't know about that. I think and would
support some stability. Housing prices going up and down really
quickly doesn't help anyone. And so as actually, if we
can make properties stand still and as the previous and
I said, we have a beautiful deleveraging over time, that
would be infinitely preferable then people losing you know, quite
big sums of money because these are often their pensions

(56:19):
and we don't want to see that happen.

Speaker 2 (56:21):
What do you reckon the been? I mean obviously between
like okay, so these these these valuations have come out
and they have definitely I think shocked a lot of people,
just based on the people in my life. We have
upcoming local body elections in just a few months time,
and then we've got central body like central government elections
in a year in a bit of time. Is it
going to impact either of these elections?

Speaker 6 (56:40):
Ben No, Look, I wouldn't have thought so. I mean,
remember it's a bit of a lagging indicator. These are
the valuations from about a year ago compared to the
valuations from twenty twenty one, which themselves was sort of
you know, pricing in a lot of growth from the
absolutely insane housing mane at them continuing, you know, the

(57:03):
economy should be improving. People will be paying lists for
the mortgages as the infrast rate reductions flow through. So
I look, I think people will be feeling a bit
grouchy if they if they get the lidder looked online
on the Herald or something and seeing that their property
has fallen in value. But look, at least they want
to sell up to cash up right now, They'll probably

(57:24):
be feeling a bit rosy account eliction time.

Speaker 21 (57:28):
Coming up, because I think as an economist, I'm just
sort of that there's one thing that does affect that,
which is what I think we call an economics the
wealth effect.

Speaker 2 (57:35):
Absolutely, when you see your.

Speaker 21 (57:36):
House press keep going up, you feel wealthier, so you
go out and you spend more money you because you're
assuming the house is going to basically bail you out
of the need for saving later on. And if people
have lost that wealth effect, not only will they be
feeling grumpy at various elections, but they then won't be
spending and that becomes a self fulfilling prophecy in terms

(57:58):
of the economy.

Speaker 2 (58:00):
I mean, is it fair to say that you would
expect a quiet weekend and retail this weekend.

Speaker 21 (58:06):
I think what you would see is people not perhaps
investing as much in things like new kitchens or double glazing,
or they may wait a bit to reroof the house,
and as a consequence, those long durables, those sorts of
things might see not quite the increase because people aren't
feeling as wealthy in their pockets and knowing that if

(58:26):
all else fails, they can sell their house and they
can clear their death.

Speaker 2 (58:31):
Okay, And so as a result, we go further into
the slum that we're at, slump that we're in at
the moment. All right, guys, take a break, come back shortly.
It's called it to sex.

Speaker 1 (58:40):
The huddle with New Zealand Southby's International Realty achieve extraordinary
results with unparallel reach.

Speaker 2 (58:47):
Are you beg of the huddle? Craig Rinny and being
Thomas Craig, do you believe that corruptions increasing in the country.

Speaker 21 (58:53):
I think we've fallen down the perceptions of corruption and
transparency indexes. I think we've always probably had corruption. You know,
it's whether or not we're prepared to admit it. And
whether or not we've got more of it or less
of it, I'm not entirely sure about that. But we
should never hid ourselves that we've never had it in
New Zealand.

Speaker 2 (59:09):
No, of course we've had it, and of course it's
got worse. But I mean, you can't report all of
those criminals from Australia and not get worse. But what
do you do about it? Like, is there anything we
can actually do or is it just reality? Now that
we have to live with it?

Speaker 6 (59:22):
Well, I mean I think we have to live with
it in a base level in a way that we
previously probably didn't have to. You know, in the past
news corruption in New Zealand has been ever a prison,
but it's more of that sort of up makes it
do it makes favors, you know, just one of the
boys sort of things as opposed to really organized crime.
And you know, I think you made a very good

(59:44):
point earlier, you know, strategically placing people to sort of
you know, you.

Speaker 2 (59:49):
Know, smuggle the drugs, yeah, yeah, and.

Speaker 6 (59:53):
And find themselves inside organizations. Look, no, organized crime huge
problem with its genesis, I think in the five oh
ones it's a really sort of blew the whole scene up,
and it will be you know, it's a very slow
way back for our police and for our authorities, and

(01:00:14):
it means a lot a lot more strictness, a lot
more security, you know, and more internal processes. So it's
not just fitting people, you know, at the recruitment stage,
but also making sure that you've got more transparency you know,
on the job as well.

Speaker 2 (01:00:29):
Craig, is Chippy really going to leave farmers out of
the ets or is he just saying it so that
they're not mean to him at field days?

Speaker 21 (01:00:37):
I have absolutely no idea. What I do know is
that there's a policy process that earlier parties going through
on everything and all of its policies after the last election,
and that's where we're right now. So I think what
he was saying to you guys, we're talking about all
the policies in the party manifesto and we're talking to
you know, affected parties in various situations and as a consequence,

(01:01:01):
it's just like we would be talking in housing, we
talk or we talk to welfare groups about potential changes
in any welfare So this is just another part of
that overall party policy process.

Speaker 4 (01:01:12):
That great. This must be so hard.

Speaker 2 (01:01:13):
This must be hard for you guys, because you know,
especially in an MMP, you know, you guys have to
look at what your coalition partners want, who are pretty
extreme left, versus what the country wants. And the country
actually sits sort of slightly conservative on the middle. So
is it really hard for you to figure out where
to go.

Speaker 21 (01:01:31):
On this with every Well, we're a party of our
values and there's a consequence, you know, when we're selling
our policies, that's the things that we talk to the
country word, and that's you know that that's the policies
that we would take forward to the country. I think
we're quite straight about where that is in terms of
the level.

Speaker 2 (01:01:45):
Yeah, but I mean, but Craig, come on, you know
you've been doing this for a long time. We've all
been following politics for a long time. You have to
take into consideration that you're going to have your lunch
chop by the people on your left, so you have
to consider what they do as well.

Speaker 21 (01:01:57):
Right, I think all parties have to consider what their
potential coalition parties are doing. I think the National Party
is doing that right now. But whether or not you
do that eighteen months out before an election.

Speaker 19 (01:02:08):
I'm not entirelysuer.

Speaker 21 (01:02:10):
And you know right now the party is just going
through what it's policy might be, rather than I think
wondering where is in terms of whether or not the
Green Party as a party, Mari or anybody else would
support that policy.

Speaker 2 (01:02:22):
True, okay, Bin? Do you ever load up your online
shopping trolley and then go nah, can't bothered and bail out?

Speaker 6 (01:02:30):
Yeah? Absolutely, Yeah, it's almost like windows shopping or putting
a bookmark in Sometimes what are.

Speaker 2 (01:02:36):
You putting in your shopping trolley? Like muscaa wine food?

Speaker 6 (01:02:44):
The risk of sounding lay second hm books, it's second
had books and occasionally you know ice hockey jerseys really yeah,
well they're you know, they're they're they're they're comfortable sip.

Speaker 2 (01:03:00):
So it's not necessarily you're an ice hockey fair I
love that. Just get that old comfy one on. What
about you, Craig?

Speaker 19 (01:03:08):
Do you do this thing?

Speaker 7 (01:03:09):
Oh?

Speaker 21 (01:03:09):
Yeah all the time. It's just I think Ben's is
at the right. It's basically windows shopping, yeah, because it's
so much easy to click or I'll put it in
the basket, but then I'll make a decision later and
what are you?

Speaker 2 (01:03:20):
You're probably a book by I.

Speaker 4 (01:03:22):
Am a I am a book guy.

Speaker 21 (01:03:24):
Records Vinyl in there, but not a lot of not
a lot of clothes, but in certainly certainly not ice
hockey jerseys are.

Speaker 2 (01:03:34):
You putting in? They're putting a bit of pink Floyd No.

Speaker 21 (01:03:37):
No, God, no, no, no much more sort of the
Pixies nineteen ninety sort of drunge. Oh mate, no, you're
talking my life.

Speaker 8 (01:03:49):
I know you.

Speaker 2 (01:03:50):
I've picked you now now I know everything about you.
All right, you can tell a lot by man's music consumption,
can't you. Guys? Thank you, Ben Thomas, Craig Renny. I'll
tell you what have you heard of? Sonic youth? You
want to listen to a punish? I mean, imagine that?

(01:04:13):
What even is the tube? A that's a punish, isn't it?
I tried, I really tried to be cool and I couldn't.
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Speaker 1 (01:04:23):
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Speaker 2 (01:04:32):
Five away from six, Tell you what we've got. Paul
Bloxam with us after half past six, obviously HSBC's chief economists.
I'm gonna ask him about the wealth effect, because the
wealth effect is a bit what Craig Rennie was just
talking about before with the house prices is actually quite significant.
I think wallet's going what the whole bunch of wallets
went today in Auckland, And yeah, it's going to suck
to be part of this economy for a little bit

(01:04:53):
because of that. Hither listening to the huddle as Auckland
loner landowners were genuinely feeling ripped off because rates should fall,
not ry with decreasing value. Wise it called a rate
when it's in fact a tax. Well, I mean, you know,
whatever can split hairs about that. I'm getting a lot
of texts like that, and it seems to me that
I'm a little bit surprised. But it would appear to
me that most people don't understand how the rating system works.

(01:05:15):
So rates are going to go up for everybody, Like
everybody's rates are going to go up because you don't
pay rates based on your the value of your property.
The value of your property only determines. It's sort of
like where does your property rate compared to others? And
if you're above average, you pay more rates, and if
you're below average, you pay fewer rates because we share

(01:05:35):
the rates burdened between ourselves, right, so everybody's the rates
are going to go up by five point eight percent,
and so basically everybody's going to go up regardless. However,
I think there may be the exception where if your
property has fallen by a considerable amount, like forty to
fifty percent, and there are examples of that out there,
maybe your rates actually do go backwards. Because you now

(01:05:56):
you've just gone backwards so far that Oh, it's so complicated,
and I can't even explain it to you. Probably I
understand it. But you're not going to be convinced by
that right now, are you. You're just going to have
to believe it. Maybe go google it, maybe maybe get
yourself the che GPT and urs che GPT to explain
to you how the rates work. We need to talk
about that, because that was disappointing, wasn't it? With Apple

(01:06:17):
over the weekend yesterday? I mean, what am I talking about?

Speaker 3 (01:06:19):
I don't know.

Speaker 2 (01:06:20):
Hither I was ordering wine today. Delivery cost was advertised
as one dollar for twelve bottles. I ordered eighteen bottles,
so the charge went from one dollar to eight dollars
ninety so I did not complete the order. There you go, right.
We're talking to the climate consultant next about the climate
lawyers suing the government newstalksz'b.

Speaker 1 (01:06:54):
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Speaker 2 (01:07:07):
Evening coming up in the next hour. Brad Olsen is
going to talk us through moving house. Apparently we're doing
it a lot at the moment. Jamie McKay is on
the way to Field Days in Paul Bloxham on what
our mortgage rates are going to be doing in the
near future. At seven pass Sex Now, a group of
lawyers is taking the government to court over the emissions
reduction Plan. The lawyers say that the plan is dangerously
inadequate and challenges the use of forestry to offset emissions.

(01:07:31):
Doctor Christina Hood is a climate consultant. Hey Christina, Hi Thereheather,
good to be here. Thank you very much for your time.
Now let's say that they prove their case. Can they
actually force the government to do something like change the plan?

Speaker 23 (01:07:43):
Well, that's actually what they're asking for. They're asking for
the court to say that the plan is inadequate according
to what's required under New Zealand law, and then the
government would have to go back and have a rethink.

Speaker 2 (01:07:55):
Would the government have to.

Speaker 23 (01:07:58):
Yeah, the court can order them to go back and
do a new plan. There was a judicial review about
the missions training scheme a couple of years ago and
the High Court in that case told the government to
go back and have another thing. Can the government did that.

Speaker 2 (01:08:15):
And can the government tell Can the court tell the
government what it wants changed, what it wants to see,
and be quite prescriptive about it.

Speaker 23 (01:08:23):
That's a little less likely. What's more likely to happen
is that if the lawyers established that the government hasn't
taken into account all of the relevant factors when it
was making the plan, the court could say, when you
go and have another thing, you must consider these aspects
and properly take them into account. Now, what's more about

(01:08:43):
how they do it than what the end outcome is.

Speaker 2 (01:08:46):
One of the things that the lawyers have a problem
with is the use of forestry and the bang on
about that, aren't they because that is actually good. That
is the weakest part of this plan, isn't it.

Speaker 23 (01:08:57):
Yeah, it's been a big part of news Ellen's climate
approach for a long time, and it's it's puss. It's
used by date. To be honest, we've been using tree
planting as a substitute for getting on with decarbonizing our economy.
And you can't do that forever. You can't just keep
planting trees. We are going to have to move at
some point.

Speaker 2 (01:09:16):
But Christina, we get the bigger problem that we're not
actually going to even end up planting enough trees, like
it's going to get to twenty thirty and we're going
to be so far short on what we're supposed to
do that we're supposed to send twenty eight billion dollars
or whatever off shorter plant trees and we're.

Speaker 8 (01:09:30):
Just not going to do it.

Speaker 23 (01:09:32):
Well, that's a separate that's a separate issue that's not
even covered by this challenge. This one is about our
domestic pathway, our target unto the Paris Agreement, as a
whole other kettle of fish that the government's not dealing with.

Speaker 2 (01:09:45):
Okay, So what's the problem as far as you see
it with planting the trees.

Speaker 23 (01:09:49):
It's what there's a couple of things. One is just
it's a it's a strategy that is that it just
only works in the short term. It's like papering over
the cracks.

Speaker 8 (01:10:01):
You know.

Speaker 23 (01:10:01):
We can use it to keep emitting and just try
and plant enough trees to compensate, but we run out
of the ability to do that. You can't do it
at global level. There's not enough land to plant enough
trees on to cover all the fossil fuel use. At
a global level, we need to cut fossil fuel emissions
by about ninety percent and then it might be that

(01:10:22):
nature restoration can kind of cover the rest.

Speaker 4 (01:10:25):
Of the gap.

Speaker 23 (01:10:25):
Christie, we can't do nothing.

Speaker 2 (01:10:27):
What is motivating these laws? Is it someone paying them?
Are they just doing this out of the goodness of
their own hearts?

Speaker 23 (01:10:33):
It's pro bono. It's just a group of lawyers who
are concerned about you know, a Liverpool future for us
and for our kids and wanting to use their skills
in law to try and do something about it.

Speaker 2 (01:10:47):
And if this was if this proves to be successful,
do you think there will be copycat suits around the world.

Speaker 23 (01:10:53):
Well, there's already you know, been lawsuits like this and
lots of places around the world. In the UK, our
legislation in New Zealand is modeled on what they have
in the UK, and the UK government's climate plan has
been thrown out twice actually by the courts for being inadequate,
so it's almost like we're copying them rather than the

(01:11:14):
other way around.

Speaker 2 (01:11:15):
All right, Christina, thanks very much. I really appreciate your time.
Christina Hood, climate consultant Hever dol. Okay, listen, have you
been into the supermarket today, because I went and got
sent in to the New World to go by. I
think it was granola and cream this morning. And as
I was walking past the checkouts, I saw the new
promotional thing that they're doing at New World, which is

(01:11:37):
the Smeg thing. And can I just say thank you
to New World for actually lifting the game, Because when
Woollies did the thing with the cardboard boxes, that was
a low point, wasn't it. I thought, Oh, jeez, we
run out of ideas that badly that we're now giving
kids a little bits of cardboard to fold into weird
little boxes and the only people who collected is ants
who's not even a child is a fully grown adult anyway,

(01:11:58):
So I was pleased to see we were back to
actually collecting proper things. All of us in the office
have decided that that what and if you haven't seen it,
it's Meg Crook cookery stuff.

Speaker 21 (01:12:09):
Right.

Speaker 2 (01:12:09):
You've got the bakeder'sh You've got the utensil pot, You've
got a little utensil rest thing, You've got a cast
iron brazier. You got all this, you know, like that
little mini pots to give you a little crembreulets and whatever. Anyway,
we have all decided in the office. This is the
order in which you need to to approach this, right.
Your first aim is to get the cast iron brazier

(01:12:31):
because that is the business. How many stickers do you need,
like forty four stickers or something ridic is huge. Plus
you need to add money to it. And it's only
for people who've got a New World card, so this
is definitely where they're making their money on this one.
But that's the business, that's the boss. That's the one
that you want. But then you are going immediately downscale
after that, and you're only going to need a few
points for the next one. You want the utensil rest

(01:12:53):
because there is nothing more irritating. I don't know if
you find this then stirring your tie curry with the
little wooden spoon and then you're like, oh, I've got
to stir it in a minute again. But now the
spoon's full of stuff, and then you have to put
it down on the bench, don't you. And you've just
got on the bench. You gotta wipe that up later.
But now if you've got the utensil rest, you pop
it on that. So you're going cast iron brazer. You're
going utensal rest. No one needs a utensil pot because

(01:13:17):
you do not need you utensils on display. That's what
you have draws for, so don't worry about that one.
You don't need the mini pots unless you are only
two people who do crembreulats at home. But if you're
having a dinner party of eight, it's a lot of
collecting for that. So I also feel like the minipots
are just a gimmick. Just let them go. So then
so you're going cast iron braser. Then you're going utensil rest.

(01:13:37):
Then I think you're going large baking dish because I
don't think you've got one that bag at home. And
then you're going medium baking dish, and everything else you
don't have to worry about. I'll see you there for
the cast Iron Braser sixteen oh fourteen, Maths past six.

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Speaker 4 (01:14:11):
These talks eNB.

Speaker 2 (01:14:15):
Seventeen past six and Brad Olson, Infametric's principal economist, is
with us. Hello, Brad, good evening. We're moving house a
lot at the moment, are we?

Speaker 24 (01:14:24):
It seems that way.

Speaker 22 (01:14:25):
The latest census starter out from Statsenz does show that
over time we've been seeing quite a lot of moving.
Around forty five percent of New Zealanders moved address over
the five years between twenty eighteen and twenty twenty three,
slightly higher than the last five year periods, so obviously
quite a lot of shift. Two big trends that came

(01:14:45):
through in the numbers, though generally a bit more of
a shifts south than we normally see, particularly into the
likes of Otago and Canterbury, but also a real shift
where previously everyone was flocking for the cities now it's
a little bit. It's not an exodus, but definitely a
of a shift where people are trying to find an
option nearby to a city, but not in the middle
of the congestion. People seeming to like those sort of

(01:15:08):
fringe areas outside the main urban centers where they can
get a better lifestyle offering probably a slightly cheaper house price.
Seems to be sort of a bit of a sweet spot.

Speaker 2 (01:15:17):
Are we're moving more than we normally would, We're moving.

Speaker 24 (01:15:20):
Ever so slightly more so.

Speaker 22 (01:15:21):
Back in over the five years to twenty eighteen, about
forty four point six percent of the population shifted address
forty five point two percent, so a little bit more
over the five years to twenty twenty three. Now, of
course that's normal. Like people move, it's just often you
don't make huge, huge moves. Seventy seven percent of New

(01:15:42):
Zealanders who moved within the last five years, they still
stayed within the same region, so pretty close to you know,
wherever original home base, whether they're not sort of shifting massively.
Sixteen point six percent moved to a different region on
the same island. And that so again, often people stay
a little bit closer to what they normally have but

(01:16:02):
put it this way, I think what you're seeing and
what you've really had emerged since COVID has come through,
is that working from home is now much greater focus
for people, and that's opening up a lot of employment opportunities,
a lot of new housing opportunities, which means that the
old idea of go to the cities that's where all
the economic activity is isn't strictly true anymore.

Speaker 2 (01:16:22):
Okay, Brad, can you please explain how the ratings valuations
work for people who think that their property having fallen
should lead to a ratings decrease.

Speaker 22 (01:16:33):
Yes, and I can understand because normally, right, we haven't
gone through many periods in New Zealand's history where house
prices have gone down, certainly not by quite as much. Effectively, though,
the council is using the rating valuations to help split
up the rates pie And so because there's an average
increase this year I think in Auckland of around five
point eight percent if you've had a so that's what

(01:16:56):
the average household would get. Now we also know the
average house has fallen in price by around about nine
percent over the period. So if you've had a nine
percent full, you're still going to pay five point eight
percent more in rates. If you've had a larger than
nine percent full, you'll probably have a slightly smaller increase
in rates. It'll go up, but maybe by just a
couple percentage points. If your house hasn't fallen quite as much,

(01:17:20):
if it's fallen by less than that nine percent, you're
going to pay probably more than a six percent increase
in rates this year only because the cost of delivering
services has gone up. There's more people. Everything's become a
whole lot more expensive, both for households but also for
councilors who've got to buy some of those services. So
the ratings, the cvs, they're not a good measure of

(01:17:40):
what your house is actually worth at any given time.
They're sort of a snapshot. We almost shouldn't publish them.
You do wonder where a council should sort of say,
look every house, and you know your house, Heather is
going to pay zero points zero zero one two percent
of the total rates bill and that's what you get.

Speaker 2 (01:17:55):
Yep. Is it possible that people that some people may
have had a fall in their house value it is
so massive that they end up with the rates decrease.
Possibly the number of cent falls.

Speaker 22 (01:18:09):
Potentially, but it would also probably depend on the services
that they are getting from the council where they are
in the city. I mean, one thing that we noted
from Auckland Council was that some of the apartments in
the central city have seen some pretty big decreases relative
to otherwise. But again in the city, they're using a
lot of the resources that come through that, you know,
all of the roads, all of the wastewater, storm water,

(01:18:30):
water services and that, so it'd be a very unusual
situation that anyone's rates would outright go down. The biggest
win you can probably get is having a larger fall
and not too big of a rates increase this time around.

Speaker 2 (01:18:42):
Yeah, Brad, thank you as always appreciated. Brad Olson, Informetric's
principal economists. Hey, first week of the road Cones tip line,
nearly four hundred complaints. How many exactly, let me get
three hundred and seventy five complaints in the first working week.
At least two of them were in my name. Didn't
do it? Just people have been borrowing my name and

(01:19:03):
you're more than welcome to And in fact, two people
borrowed my name today at five o'clock and made complaints
and once again very happy about that. Tell you what,
every time I see a road code, now, ay do
you do this? Every time I see a road and
I go m hm meany you got that? Anah, that's okay,
not going to complain about it. But I am looking
forward to the first time I see actually something worth
complaining about, because boy, I'm firing that in and then

(01:19:23):
I'm going to put in the notes as well. This
is actually Heather Duplissy Allen, not the other people who've
been pretending so actually act on this please.

Speaker 1 (01:19:30):
Six twenty two, the Rural Report with MSD Animal Health
Home of Maltine ends it's leading five in one vaccine.

Speaker 2 (01:19:39):
Jamie McKay Hosts of the Countries with Us A.

Speaker 8 (01:19:41):
Jamie, can I hear that you're in a car?

Speaker 2 (01:19:43):
Are you in a car on the way to Field Days?

Speaker 8 (01:19:45):
Yes, I am in a car.

Speaker 3 (01:19:46):
I'm sorry if there's a bit of road noise, but
we can't afford to stop because it's taken us about
an hour from the airport to get to take in
Inny and then we're heading down to the tron We've
got a bit of a dinner date down there. Tonight
ahead of three days of broadcasting at Field Days.

Speaker 2 (01:20:01):
Are you expecting, I mean, I expect that Field Days
is going to be reasonably upbeat, isn't it? With all
of the prices that are being paid.

Speaker 8 (01:20:08):
At the moment, I think it might even be better
than that.

Speaker 3 (01:20:11):
To be perfectly honest, Heather, I think this has been
a good year for nearly all well most farming classes
put it that way. But I think the icing on
the cake was the budget announcement, and I think we
talked about this one last week of the investment tax boost.

Speaker 8 (01:20:26):
So basically, if you're buying a big.

Speaker 3 (01:20:28):
Ticket item, you get another twenty percent or effectively can
claim another twenty percent of depreciation in year one. It
saves you a heck of a lot of money. So look,
I think for the big ticket items it's going to
be all on that could be cues at the track,
the stands.

Speaker 2 (01:20:43):
Who knows you even no Aucklanders are coming down? Do
do very many people come down who are outside of
the rural world?

Speaker 21 (01:20:50):
Oh?

Speaker 12 (01:20:50):
Yeah? Yeah?

Speaker 3 (01:20:51):
Like if you compare this to say, the Southern Field
Days at Ymurmu, just outside of Gore, it's nearly all
farmers and rural no look, there's lots of craft these
sort of things there, and for people who aren't even
interested in farming, twelve hundred exhibitors. Ever, it takes you know,
it takes you two or three days to get around

(01:21:12):
the whole lot if you were keen enough to do that.
But you know, I always love getting into, for instance,
the innovation. What was not a stand, that's a building
now and you can go in there and look what
farmers or people who have rural clients have invented in
the past twelve months. And some of these go on
to be patented and become huge commercial successes.

Speaker 8 (01:21:33):
So that's always one to look out for.

Speaker 3 (01:21:36):
And of course you've got the big big players there,
the fonterras and cos, the fertilizer companies, the meat companies,
and they're they're entertaining their clients, giving them a bit
of a free feed.

Speaker 8 (01:21:47):
At Field Days. It's very much about networking, to be perfectly.

Speaker 2 (01:21:51):
Honest, oh brilliant. Well, listen, go and enjoy your dinner
and enjoy Field Days and we'll have a chat to
you again on Thursday and see how things are going.
That's Jimmy McKay, host of the Country. Very sad News
today to read that Frederic Fallsyth, who wrote Day of
the Jackal has died. Former six agent, former journalist.

Speaker 4 (01:22:09):
Former journalists. Did I made that?

Speaker 2 (01:22:10):
Make that up? I don't know if he was a
former journist, who's a former sex agent. Frankly, that's more important,
doesn't it anyway? Funny funny funny to be saying, well,
it's nothing funny about it at all. I mean, that's
a terrible word.

Speaker 7 (01:22:21):
Tock.

Speaker 2 (01:22:21):
Come sorry. It's interesting that it's happened at this time
because of course Day of the Jackal has just been
turned into the most wonderful TV series, which if you
haven't seen it on TVNSM plus, you absolutely must go
and have a look at It's got all make the
ginger one who was an Danish girl fantastic Eddie Redmay
that's his name. But do you know, I tried to
read the book again. I try to reread it after

(01:22:41):
watching it, and it's it's very slow, isn't it. It's
very of its time. So I don't know if I
would bother rereading the book, but definitely go and watch
that show, which captures the essence of the book brilliant.
Paul Bloxham next.

Speaker 4 (01:22:55):
It's beautiful, says it.

Speaker 1 (01:22:57):
Oh, if it's to do with money, it matters to you.
The business hour with him, the duplic Ellen and theirs,
Insurance and investments, Grow your wealth, protect your future.

Speaker 4 (01:23:09):
News talks eNB.

Speaker 2 (01:23:21):
And Brady is back with us for the first time
in something more than a week because of course he's
pulled out of the race down South. As when I
say down South, I mean South America. He's going to
be with us very shortly. Right now it is twenty
four away from seven and Paul blocks from ah Species
chief economists with us. Hey, Paul, are you even more
confused this week than last about where the rates are

(01:23:41):
going in New Zealand?

Speaker 13 (01:23:44):
No, I don't think so. I mean, I think I
thought you were going to ask me about am I
confused about the global picture? There's so much going on
every day, it's shifting and changing and so on. But no,
I think. I mean, I think the RBNZ is getting
near the end of the using phase. And that's the
view we've had for a while. I mean, we've got
one more cut penciled into our central case. But I

(01:24:06):
think that now the question is do we get that
or not? Because no, the New Zealand economy is in
an upswing. The partial indicators are showing an upswing. I
would point out that we HSBC have been the top
of consensus in terms of the forecast. We've had the
strongest forecasts of all of the economists for New Zealand
for this year, and we've had that all year long

(01:24:27):
so far. And I think I'm sticking by that story
that I think New Zealand's going to be in a good,
strong upswing. And I think there are two big things
going on, and we've said this again all year long. One,
interest rates have come down a long way and they
are going to start to get some grip and lift
the economy, and I think you've seen some signs of that.
And Two, you've seen this very strong rise in dairy

(01:24:47):
prices that is boosting incomes in the agricultural sector and
we know that can be a pretty big force for
New Zealand. Once that gets going, it can really start
to see more capex and more spending and more money
coming into the cities as well. And so think those
two forces are turning the New Zealand economy around. We've
got growth of two percent this year, and as I say,
the highest growth forecast of any of the sort of forecasters.

Speaker 2 (01:25:10):
That people will be so thrilled to hear that because
it's been such a tough grind, as you know, for
the last few years in New Zealand. Tell me then,
what you think is going on globally? I mean, where
are we at now?

Speaker 13 (01:25:22):
Well, I think we're still yet to see there's still
some bad news yet to come. I think that's the
way I would see it. I sort of think about
it as a three stage process. We've had a huge
rise in uncertainty. All of this stuff that's going on
with trade policy has increased uncertainty to high levels. And
uncertainty is not good for growth. It makes businesses cautious
and it means they don't know where where to invest

(01:25:42):
and so on. We haven't seen the full effect of
that yet in the economic indicators, and that's partly because
we've had massive front loading. You know, there's been a
whole bunch of pool forward of activity to try and
get ahead of the arrival of the tariffs that are
going to arrive, and so that's increased imports and increased
exports and increased consumer spending. It's boost the activity indicators,
but it's going to roll over. And when when that rollo,

(01:26:05):
when that front loading is finished, it's going to weaken growth.
And I think we're still going to be in quite
an uncertain global environment.

Speaker 3 (01:26:11):
You know.

Speaker 13 (01:26:11):
My sense is policy is shifting and changing so quickly
that uncertainty will still be there. So I still think
that's quite a bit of bad news for the global
macroeconomy yet to feed through to the actual numbers.

Speaker 2 (01:26:22):
Now, Paul, the thing is, we've had some bad news
in Auckland today. Obviously, everybody's houses has gone backwards, and
you know, the wealth effect would suggest that as a result,
the old wallets are going to snapshot. How long does
it take for us to get over a disappointment like
that before we start spending again.

Speaker 13 (01:26:37):
Well, my understanding is this is a reflection of house
price declines that have already happened. Yes, And actually the
housing market is already starting to stabilize because interest rates
are coming down. And actually we should think about this
as a reassessment of the value of houses that then
affects the rates that people pay. Actually, in principle that
should mean household's got a bit more income to spend
because they haven't to spend as much on rates. I mean,

(01:26:59):
I it's not clear to me that the sort of
perceptions effect of oh, my house price is lower is
going to be larger than the actual effect of incomes
they're going to have. The households are going to get
a bit of a boost to their incomes, because this
is how the rates are calculated for for for housing.

Speaker 2 (01:27:14):
Even nobody gets a boost to their income, they just
get a smaller rate increase potentially, that's right.

Speaker 18 (01:27:20):
Well, so relative to the expectation that they were going
to get a larger one, they're not going to get
going to get a smaller one. So in principle, in principle,
you've got you've got a little bit more spending power
than you thought you'd have.

Speaker 2 (01:27:33):
Well, he's hoping. Paul listen't appreciated as always pulled Blocksham
Agspecies chief economist.

Speaker 4 (01:27:39):
Either duplicy Allen yet Listen.

Speaker 2 (01:27:41):
Disappointing from Apple on the AI front overnight. There was
hardly anything there. So we were expecting because last year
at this particular conference that announced that they were going
to upgrade Siri with the AI and it's going to
be awesome, blah blah, blah, nothing hardly anything on that
this time. In fact, AI has once again been somewhat disappointing,
if not completely disappointing at this conference. Very small AI improvements.

(01:28:03):
So there will be a real time language translation feature
that will be integrated into your messages and your FaceTime
and your iPhone app Android. This is not new. Android
has had this for years. Apple's only just got this.
Apple is also on the AI front, going to introduce
a new fitness app called Workout Buddy, which uses an
AI generated voice to speak to you during your workouts.

(01:28:25):
I know who actually even wants that. That sounds hideous anyway,
We'll see how it goes for them. People were, as
I say, expecting the AI upgrades and stuff, so they
are disappointed on that front. The one thing that AI
that Apple is doing here is they've announced a partnership
with chat GPT just to try to help them kind
of catch up a wee bit on that front. We'll

(01:28:46):
see if it pays off or not. I'm not feeling
great for them on that one. It's the big news
out of Australia today. By the way, there's been another
stuff up on the IVF from mo Nash IVF. Now
what happened. If you've been following what happened here is
a couple of months ago, Monash Monash whatever IVF in
Queensland stuck the wrong embryo inside a woman. But they

(01:29:09):
didn't do it a couple of months ago. They did
it about a year before, and they only went public
with it a couple of months ago. By that stage,
the woman had given birth to the baby, not her baby,
a stranger's baby. Now that is devastating because you imagine,
like you'll go You're not going to IVF because having
a baby is a straightforward thing, right, You're going to
IVF because already it's a little bit of it's stressful. Right,

(01:29:32):
So finally you managed to fall pregnant and you're look
super excited about it and it's cost you tens of
thousands of dollars and then you blinking, we'll find out
it's not your baby, but you're carrying somebody else's baby.
And that's without even mentioning how much it sucks to
be pregnant. Right, Like I thought the other day, I
was like, oh, I love my baby. I might go
number three And I was like, oh, hell no, I
don't want to be pregnant for a third time. Forget
about it, no way, So you've just carried I don't

(01:29:55):
even know what happens to that baby anyway, And nevermind
got derailed. What happened this time? What's happen and today
is that have announced that they've just done the same thing,
haven't they five days ago? It's not quite as bad
as last time. But five days ago they put an
embryo into a woman that she didn't want. It was
her own embryo. She didn't want her own embryo. She

(01:30:16):
wanted her partner's embryo. Now I'm reading between the lines
here that what's happened is that they're a lesbian couple
and they've already had some kids, one or some and
they've used her own embryos, so she's carried her own child.
But if you know a lesbian coupled, you know, if
you know homosexual couples, you'll know that often they want
to have one child of one parent and one child
of the other parent, or whatever however they wanted to

(01:30:37):
do it, whatever however they want to structure their family. Whatever,
this family wanted to be some babies from one mum
and some babies from the other mum carried by the
same mum. That didn't happen anyway, so it's not as
bad as the first time around, but it is terrible
for Monash obviously to not be trustworthy like this is
like one oh one a fertility treatment stick the embryo
in the right person and the right embryo in the

(01:30:58):
right person. Do you know what I mean? Result share
price is not that flesh today, seventeen away from seven,
croaching the.

Speaker 4 (01:31:04):
Numbers and getting the results.

Speaker 1 (01:31:06):
It's hither to the sea, Ellen with the business hour
and mess, insurance and investments, grow your wealth, protect your future.

Speaker 4 (01:31:14):
These talks hit me in.

Speaker 2 (01:31:17):
De Brady, a UK correspondents beck of us into how
are you hello, Heather.

Speaker 24 (01:31:21):
I'm great, Yeah, just back in the UK, literally just
landed from Peru, so kind of getting my head around
being in London again. No, it's stretching.

Speaker 2 (01:31:30):
We've been following your progress and the fact that you
did was it two leagues out of five?

Speaker 6 (01:31:36):
Yes?

Speaker 24 (01:31:36):
So I called this a day. At the end of
stage three, I was five kilometers from the end in
the Amazon and it was getting dark and I'd seen
some very seriously good runners get injured leg breaks, ankles,
collar bones, dislocated shoulders. One woman collapsed because of the humidity,
and I thought, they're all far fitter and more knowledgeable

(01:31:58):
than me. And I was faced with the prospect they're
heading back into the Amazon as night fell with a
head torch and it was like an assault course. I mean, heat, humidity, altitude,
every insect in the world trying to eat you alive.
It was an amazing experience, but I called it a day.
At the end of stage three met there was some
rugby blokes from South Africa who were very much fun

(01:32:21):
to be around, and one of them said to me,
we've got a minibus leaving here out of the Amazon.
There's a space for you. Do you want to come
drink some cold beers? So I spent seven hours, seven
hours on a minibus with these rugby blokes from East
London in South Africa, and they were so much fun,
hilarious fellas.

Speaker 2 (01:32:39):
Loading you in the mini bass, how nice would you've
got out?

Speaker 4 (01:32:43):
Oh?

Speaker 24 (01:32:43):
You basically stay with the race until each stage concludes,
so you it was like sleep, sleeping in hammocks to humidity.
It's called the jungle Ultra. They call it the most
difficult race in the world, and it absolutely is not.
It's not It's not a running race for me. Now
I'm done with ultra running. I'm gonna go back to
my marathons on flat surfaces in lovely cities, and at
some stage I'll visit New Zealand and we will drink

(01:33:05):
something cold and nice at the end after forty two kilometers.

Speaker 2 (01:33:08):
I'll tell you what, if you give me enough of
a hits up that you can and I might do
the marathon with you. I mean, obviously I'm not doing it.
I'm not doing it with you because obviously you're like,
whooh why I hear it, and I'll be behind, but
I might give it a home for you.

Speaker 24 (01:33:21):
Amazing. We'll find an amazing charity in New Zealand and
I'll hold you to that.

Speaker 2 (01:33:25):
Promise myself in trouble already. Okay, Now this winter fuel
payment U turn. What a surprise, wasn't it.

Speaker 24 (01:33:33):
Yeah, Look, it was a stupid move to begin with.
Starmer and Rachel Reeves said that there was no money
we can't afford to be giving rich pensioners, you know,
six hundred dollars every winter for their fuel allowance. There
is an issue in that yeah, every pensioner gets it,
and yes there are many, many millionaire pensioners who don't
need it, but unfortunately the people who support labor, the

(01:33:54):
working class do need that payment. FRAS has been making
political hay on this and Starmer's been basically forced into
a very embarrassing climb down. So they now need to
find two and a half billion dollars to fund it.

Speaker 2 (01:34:07):
Listen, Inda, I feel uncomfortable about this. Who has told
Gary link that he can't speak at this memorial service.

Speaker 24 (01:34:14):
So Lineker, the England ex soccer player and very famous
broadcaster now from the BBC, who has just quit the BBC.
He was lifelong friends with a sports writer called Brian
Glanville who was one of the best writers. I used
to read him when I was a kid in Ireland.
He's passed away at the age of ninety three. There
is a memorial service coming up now. Brian Glanville was Jewish.

(01:34:36):
His daughter decided that she would like Gary Lineker to
speak at the memorial service, and now the Sun has
come out and said categorically not, we can't have him speaking.
My father was a proud friend of Israel and what
Lineker retweeted the other week with the Ratamoji was basically
symbolic of the Nazis in the nineteen thirties and forties.
So Lineker won't be speaking at the memorial service. I

(01:34:58):
think it's a great shame because Gary is such a
kind man. He is not anti Semitic. I think, like
a lot of us, he has very serious concerns about
what Israel is doing in Gaza, and he has spoken
up and raised his voice. But unfortunately, the son of
Brian Landville believes that it will be the wrong thing,
and ultimately it's a family service for his dad, so
he gets the call. But it's a shame for Gary

(01:35:19):
because I think Gary's getting such an awful backlash for
something which he has apologized for and said it was.
Had he seen that Emogi, he would not have retweeted.

Speaker 2 (01:35:28):
It too right. I mean, as you say, it is
his call, but the divisions continue. Enda, thank you very much,
really appreciate it. We chat you in a couple of
days and enjoy your break being home. End of Brady
UK correspondent. Heather isn't a utensil rest, just a plate
of which everybody already has lots of. What an unnecessary
and lame product that nobody needs. Look, Simon makes an

(01:35:52):
excellent point, and I have had to revisit this somewhat.
In fact, Laura and I have revisited our top two
options in the new thing, because Laura didn't realize that
the big casse rolly thing that you get, the what
is it called brazy or whatever, that you needed to
not only collect the stickers, but you also needed to
add some money. And she's definitely, she says, she's pulling out.

(01:36:13):
She didn't actually need it that much, so she knows
she needed it at all. She just was gonna collect
the stickers for it. But if you have to put cash,
and now now this is this girl, math does not
work for her. So she's out, and I think, actually
I'm out too. Are we still on the utensil thing, Laura,
because as Simon says, you can just put a plate down. Yeah,
well they're gonna get they are gonna give it to

(01:36:34):
you for free. But now you have to find a
place in the drawer where you have to put this
weird little utensil thing when you could just use a plate,
and it's you know, it's going to turn into one
of those nath things that your mamma, your granny has
in the drawer, and you're like, water, Yeah, I think
we're pulling out. Are we pulling out? I think we're
pulling out of that. I think I'm pulling out all together,
maybe all together, out of this new world thing. Maybe

(01:36:55):
i'ld sort of like half heartedly collect the stickers and
I'll get myself on like a medium sized bake tray
or something. But yeah, I don't need this. I don't
What I need is knives? Can they bring those back?
Eight away from seven It's the Heather.

Speaker 1 (01:37:07):
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Speaker 2 (01:37:15):
Heather alternative is that you could have your countertop clean
enough that you can put a utensil down and then
you wipe the top like you should after anyway, Julie,
you don't make a bad point, but sometimes you got
the stuff that's sticky, haven't you, And you're like, you're
really having to wipe that down and be much easier
if you could just chuck the plate or the utensil
thing into the water just to soak, do you know
what I mean, and then it just comes off really

(01:37:36):
easily afterwards. Anyway, enough of that. Did you know? I
didn't know this, but this is going to go some
way to explaining the world to you. Every single generation,
it appears, is using social media differently for posting photos.
And it's particularly noticeable when they go traveling. Right, so
when your mum comes back, or your granny comes back,

(01:37:56):
or your child comes back, or your auntie or your
cousin whatever comes back from a trip overseas, they will
post photos in a different way. So baby boomers are
the most, Like I'm gonna ring you through the generations,
the CAD's five of them that we're going to talk about.
Baby Boomers are going to post the photographs traditionally. Right,
it's gonna have like a picture of Linda in front
of the Eieful Tower and she's gonna have her thumbs up,
and then it's gonna say something basic at the bottom,

(01:38:18):
like had a great time in Paris. Right, basic, baby Boomers,
they're not over complicating this thing. Generation x's, which is
your people sort of between the Baby Boomers and my generation.
So like people around like fifty sixty now whatever, they
treated like a traditional photo album, right, so be lots
of lots of photographs. Nothing tacky, like they're selective about
their photographs. They're just a little bit. I think they're

(01:38:40):
bit nice. They take a better photograph than a boomer,
but they're just gonna have a very short caption, like
went to Paris twenty twenty four, that kind of thing.
Millennials my generation, we're gonna we think we're a bit
more arty, right, We've had photographs in our lives and
smartphones for longer, so we're gonna do things like it's
gonna be a bit more cropped, cropped, you know, a
bit more per us. So we'll have like we'll be like, well,

(01:39:02):
we went to a fantastic restaurant in Paris, and then
we'll sort of, you know, take a photograph of it,
but it'll be perfectly cropped and it'll just be just
like that. Gen Zas are absolutely the most irritating. They
are the ones who are going to they want to
look low budget on purpose, so they're gonna take artsy blurs,
so it'll be like person running in the rain, but

(01:39:23):
it'll be all blurry, you know what. You won't know
what it is. They will do things like they won't
post a photograph of the Eiffel Tower they'll post a
photograph of a cat on a sidewalk, you know, or
like a waffle randomly and the caption will leave you
none the wiser because it's for people in the know.
And then finally, the generation Alphas are too young, but
they just like they're still like the short attention spans.

(01:39:44):
Loved things to be loud and bright.

Speaker 25 (01:39:46):
So there you go, and a hot fun in the
summertime by slying the family Stone to play us out's
the sad one. Unfortunately, sly Stone, who was the funk
rockstar who was in charge of this outfit, he has
died at the age of eighty two after a battle
with the lung disease COPD.

Speaker 2 (01:39:59):
That's what you get from smoking the vapes, isn't it?

Speaker 4 (01:40:02):
Or is it?

Speaker 17 (01:40:02):
Okay?

Speaker 8 (01:40:02):
Well, there you go. Another reason I.

Speaker 2 (01:40:05):
Don't think he was on the vapes. Obviously something else
got in, probably the fags. But yeah, just watch out
with you what you're pumping into your lung say let
this be a listen to you see you tomorrow.

Speaker 1 (01:40:26):
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