Full Show Podcast: 23 June 2025

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Speaker 1 (00:02):
Questions, answers, facts, analysis, The Drive show you trust for
the full picture. Heather Duplicy elan Drive with one New
Zealand let's get connected news talks that'd.

Speaker 2 (00:15):
Be good afternoon. Welcome to show. Coming up today David Kilcullen,
Middle East expert, former advisor to Condoleeza Rice. He'll talk
us through what happens next in I ran Eric Stanford,
the Immigration Minister on that Golden visa going gangbusters bringing
in heaps of money and Nikolauls, Finance Minister, as per
usual after.

Speaker 3 (00:33):
Six Heather Duplicy Allen Well.

Speaker 2 (00:36):
US certainly ran things up over the weekend, didn't it.
And if you feel like this is an incredibly serious
situation a situation right now, you're not wrong because there
are very few examples. If any of the US involving
itself in the Middle East or surrounding areas and making
things better for the most part, it just ends up
backfiring or ending badly. I mean, there are some really
obvious ways with regards to Iran that this could go badly.

(00:59):
First of all, of course, if Iran wasn't making a
nuclear weapon, and I have my doubts about that, But
if they really weren't. Then this may convince them that
they really need to get on and make that nuclear weapon,
because there is only one way to ensure that you
don't get bombed by the US, and that is to
have a nuclear weapon. This could also incentivize other countries
like Russia to give them a nuclear weapon, which has

(01:20):
been a threat from Russia in the last few days.
This could spiral into some sort of instability in the
country if there's a regime change in Iran that is
worse than the current one, and that's always possible and
often is the case, this could create instability in other
parts of the world. If the US gets involved more
deeply in Iran ties itself up there, other countries have
a look at it. See the US is distracted, I'll

(01:41):
take much chance over here in another part of the world.
All of that is absolutely fair to be worried about. However,
I would like to caution us all against thinking that
Iran is some sort of an innocent victim here, which
I think is something that we tend to do in
this country. We don't like the US meddling. We can
see from a distance how bad that is, so we
see the US as an aggressor meddling in another country,

(02:03):
and then we feel sorry for that country for the
US coming and bullying them. Do not feel sorry for Iran.
Iran a not good guys here. I personally think you'd
have to be naive to believe that they weren't working
on a nuke. They've got their facilities underground, for God's sake,
what do you think that's for? And they are motivated
to have a nuke, as I said before, to avoid

(02:24):
exactly this happening with the US bombing them. So they've
got the motivation. Circumstantially, it looks like they were up
to something right, and they are. By the way, Also,
remember the ones who supported and funded Hamas who started
this war with Israel in the first place on October seven,
twenty twenty three, So they are not good guys at all.

Speaker 4 (02:42):
Now.

Speaker 2 (02:42):
They probably had this coming. Actually, the only thing that
we can hope for right now is that it ends
with this, and to be honest, as probably a long shot.

Speaker 3 (02:50):
Ever duper see Ellen's nine two.

Speaker 2 (02:52):
Nine two is the text number. Standard text fees apply.
Now locally, let's talk about what's going on here. Local
government could be in for a bit of a shakeup
after those common from the Prime Minister Christopher Luxen this morning,
so he was on with Mike, told Mike there are
too many layers of government in New Zealand and scrapping
regional councils will be considered under promised RMA reform.

Speaker 3 (03:10):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (03:11):
I have a personal view that I think that's something
that we can explore as part of that resource management
at legislation. At Chris Bishop's driving through. He'll bring a
bill to the House before the end of this year.
We'll be introduced into Parliament because we've got to change
our RMA laws pretty quickly. But I think we've got
too many layers of government. Frankly, if I'm honest with you.

Speaker 2 (03:29):
There are currently eleven regional councils in New Zealand and
sixty seven district and city councils. Darren Ponter is the
chair of Greater Wellington Regional Council and with us he
Darren afternoon, Heather, good to talk to you mate.

Speaker 3 (03:40):
Now.

Speaker 2 (03:41):
Is the Prime Minister wrong?

Speaker 6 (03:44):
Oh?

Speaker 7 (03:44):
I think he could have started in a different place,
and that is the need for amalgamation of local authorities.
Other local government's been up for that for that issue
for quite a number of years now, it's nearly thirty
six years ago since local government reform gave us the
current structure that we've got. We have too many local authorities,

(04:05):
far too many, and I think the bigger question is
what are we actually looking for in a vision and
outcomes that we want to achieve. So rather than running
around shooting regional councilors, we should ask should be asking
the question, how can local government better serve our communities
in a more stream line?

Speaker 2 (04:25):
Mate, We're asking that question all the time. Nothing changes
are let's talk about this. Okay, So you're in favor
of amalgamation. Are you being in Wellington? That would mean
of course Wellington City heart portter do a blah blah blah.
You want that first?

Speaker 7 (04:41):
Yeah, Look, I think that I think that that's a
rational move and it's been talked about in the in
the past, and it's been tried.

Speaker 5 (04:49):
Would you do it?

Speaker 2 (04:50):
We spoke to the mayor of New Plymouth last week
and he talked about amalgamating all the councils there in
Taranaki District to get them. Would you think like a
regional a regional amalgamation in a place.

Speaker 3 (05:01):
Like that so I thought.

Speaker 7 (05:04):
What I think is that regional councils, rather than getting
rid of them, are the building blocks for amalgamation, and
Taranaki is a really good case points.

Speaker 2 (05:12):
So would you then scrap all the district, all the
local councils, you scrap the new Plymouth District Council or
whatever it's called, and instead just get that regional council
to do everything.

Speaker 7 (05:22):
Correct, amalgamate them all into one entity. It wouldn't look
and feel like a regional council does, because it would
be It would have very it would have many local functions.
You already have the nucleus of a single council in Taranuki,
and you do in most other parts of the region.

Speaker 2 (05:38):
In which case would you okay? So would you then
in Wellington get Wellington Regional Council, Great Wellington Regional Council
to do everything and instead go and shoot all the
little councils underneath. Or would you suck them in?

Speaker 7 (05:50):
You'd suck them in the community local councils resonate with
communities and have a clearer connection to communities than regional
councils do.

Speaker 2 (06:00):
So's you'd be looking for efficiencies here like you wouldn't
want to just employ absolutely everybody and just end up
with one giant, bloated thing instead of five bloated things.

Speaker 7 (06:09):
No, a good point, and here is an opportunity to
actually cut back, pair back. Yeah, some functions. There are
some functions that could go to central government. There are
some central government functions like State highway roading and the
Department of Conservation that probably should be thought of coming
down to local government as well. So I don't think

(06:32):
that this is just simply a question about councils. This
is a question about how do we cut functions and
services across the country.

Speaker 2 (06:39):
Okay, Darren, in your vision of the future, how many
councils do we end up with across the country.

Speaker 7 (06:44):
Then I think we're probably somewhere in the range of
sixteen to sixteen to twenty councils across the country, kind
of like the country for it. Yeah, for a country
of five point five million, that sounds about right.

Speaker 2 (06:57):
I don't hate that, Darren, thanks very much. I appreciate it.
Is Darren chair of Greater Wellington Region Regional Council. And
if he carries on like this, I mean he could
possibly be the mayor of Wellington couldn't he and he
wouldn't be the worst, would heart. It's only onwards and
upwards from here, frankly, isn't it. Jeez Wellington, you've only
got a few more months to go. Kia kaha, friends,

(07:19):
Just hang in there a little bit longer. You'll be okay.
Whatever comes next has got to be better. Listen, all
blacks been announced obviously, some notable inclusions which are surprises,
and some surprise people being left out. So let's get
across at the Jason Vine. It's quarter pass.

Speaker 1 (07:34):
It's the Heather to Bussy Alan Drive Full Show podcast
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Speaker 2 (07:40):
It be Heather. It's not just the number of councils,
but also the additional bodies on top of these. What
about the local boards in Auckland? What the hell do
they do? Don't even get me started on the local
boards they I don't know. If you read about what's
going on on the White and Matah local board over
the weekend, I'll have to run you through it. That's
my local board in Auckland. It's just an embarrassment. I'll
talk you through it shortly because it's a waste of money,
isn't it anyway. Eighteen past four. Now Scott Robinson and

(08:03):
his team have named the first All Black squad of
the year. Got thirty five players named. So this is
to play against France next month. Hurricaness co captain Diplassy
Carrefi is one of five uncapped players to get their
first official call up. You're waiting for such a big
important call and I guess a call like for the
rest of US boys who are in for the first time,
it's you know, it's a big milestone in your life.

(08:24):
I yes, Alliet Smith was at the Oh sorry, I
said it was going to be Jason Pine but Elliott
was there. So we're going to go to Elliot Smith
and Steak because he knows rugby. Hello Elliott, Hello Heather afternoon.
Not that Piney doesn't know rugby. This is your mastermind
topic now. Any surprise, isn't there for you?

Speaker 8 (08:40):
Oh, Brodie McAllister has to be a surprise. I don't
think many would have mentioned his name around the traps
this year as a possibility. Everyone knew they were going
to need the third hooky with a suffer or more injured.
The logical thought was that George Bell, who'd been in
the squad last year up and coming player would get
the nod, but Brady McAllister and his like twenties decided
to shift to the Chiefs in the off season. It's

(09:01):
been a big move for him and it's worked out
because he's in the All Black squad for the first time,
so that was a real surprise. The four other players
that were included for the first time have certainly been
mentioned in dispatches and predictions and sweepstakes over the course
of the last few weeks. Suplasi Kaifi as we heard from.
There has been a name mentioned by a number of people,
Ollie Norris out of the Chiefs as well, Fabian Holland

(09:23):
and to mostly tather Tava Nawai the other new faces
in the All Black squads. So four that probably people
might have had in the mix, but certainly one surprise
there in Brady mccallison had.

Speaker 2 (09:33):
All surplies surprised by Ethan Blackadder and David have really
losing out.

Speaker 8 (09:37):
Certainly both of them I thought that they would be
in the mix. And interestingly Scott Robertson deciding to trim
he went with thirty three in the end he could
have named thirty five, but he's left a couple of
players out. He'll have to extend that for the Rugby
Championship and perhaps assigned that he wants to see a
little bit more of these players get back to NPC.
I mean, David have really captained the Crusaders to a
Super Rugby title less than forty eight hours ago. Real

(10:00):
surprise not to see him there. He's been a favorite
of Scott Robinsons for some time. Ethan Blackader also a
player that Scott Robinson really liked in his time at
the Crusaders. But what I think it does signal hither
is that they want a bit more explosiveness out of
their players and the loose forwards. They've got Duplessy Kafi.
We know how explosive he's been great over turnover ball.
Same with Tavia, tav and Naway in the backs. They

(10:20):
want to get over that game line. Quincy Pie back
in the All Blacks as well. So they want explosive us.
They want to get over the game line. I think
that's what we've seen from the new Caps that have
come in and the faces that have been left out.

Speaker 2 (10:31):
Who do you reckon he starts in first by eight, I.

Speaker 8 (10:34):
Think it'll be Boden Barrett for the first Test in
Dunedin in eleven days time while they'reabouts. I think he
ended the year with him. Starting last year, he was
the man they switched to when Damien McKenzie had a
number of chances they decided to make the switch. I
think Boden Barrett has probably done enough to retain that
Jersey wasn't you know, the greatest of the seasons for

(10:55):
for Boden Barrid has a went up and down, but
I think he'll retain that jersey. Damien McKenzie probably didn't
do himself too many favors with the performance against the
Crusaders are on the weekend either. That was an opportunity
I thought to really go out and stamp and mark.
He failed to do so. And I think Boden Barrett
will get the the number ten jusy next week because
of it. Reuben Love incidentally has been named. They also
see him possibly as a ten down the track as well.

Speaker 2 (11:17):
Good stuff. It's good to talk to you, Elliot, Thanks
so much. Elliott Smith, who was of course our rugby
expert here at News Talks. There'd be an incidantly Brodie McAllister,
who he was talking about we will be speaking to
in about an hour's time, just to get his take
on you know, suddenly I've just wondered, you know, what
is it like you go from being sort of like, yeah,
you're bobbing about, you know, in Super Rugby, and then

(11:38):
all of a sudden you go into you get the
call up for the All Blacks. Does your life change completely?
Do you get a better pay packet? Do you spend
it on a Yamaha motorcycle and then go up the
Northwestern really fast? Like really fast? When the do you
run away from the Eagle? Felt like I've just diverted
away from a very happy story into a very sad
story of having caught up on that hotel and just

(12:00):
a minute's time. I'm sorry also that we weren't able
to speak to Pioney because I don't know if you
remember what happened on Friday. But Piney said, oh, never
mind history, Oh don't worry about that. Oh nobody's ever
beaten the Crusaders down in christ Church in a Super
Rugby final. But this is the year. It's gonna be
the Chiefs year, he said. Oh he was all bold

(12:20):
as brass. I said, oh, I might put money on it. Well,
thank god I didn't, because that was wrong, wasn't it.
Also speaking of being wrong, do we owe Rob Penny
and apology? I don't want to be that guy, but
I feel like I did say this. I said this
last year. I said, don't be so unkind to Rob Penny.
He's just taken over. It went really badly for him
last time, but it'll be fine in the end, because

(12:41):
you know, you got to give the guy a bit
of a chance. What did they do now, eh? I
went away and won the Super Rugby Final. Anyway, He's
on a two year contract last year and this year,
so the question is going to I don't know that
we've actually heard it all yet whether they're going to
renew him. So keep an eye out for that, because
how can you not renew him now?

Speaker 9 (12:57):
Right?

Speaker 2 (12:57):
He just won the Super Rugby Final. Anyway, There we
are four twenty three.

Speaker 3 (13:02):
Getting the facts, discarding the fluff.

Speaker 1 (13:05):
It's Heather Duplicy Ellen drive with one New Zealand let's
get connected news dogs.

Speaker 2 (13:10):
That'd be what I was telling you about just before.
With the Northwestern Motorway. Is Caleb Clark the All Black
Star and also the Blue Star has today been sentenced
for running away from the cops on his Yamaha motorcycle
in December. You'll remember, if you've been following it, you'll
remember in February he pleaded not guilty. He pled I
think guilty to it. Actually sorry is really quick to
plead guilty. He was discharged without conviction today. That was

(13:32):
his sentence. He managed to I think he got disqualified
from driving for twelve months. So he did cop a
little bit of an inconvenience, but for the most part
got away with that. And we we'll talk about that
later on. So twenty six past four, Taxpa's Union Curia
have done some polling and they've given it to us.
This will be you're hearing it here the first time.
They ask people about the cocks and about the situation

(13:55):
and the Cox. They ask people whether we should continue
to give the people of the Cook Islands automatic access
to New Zealand, including passports and health care and superannuation
and the ability to come here and work and do
all the stuff right. If should they continue to get that,
if the government carries on with the foreign policy antics
the way they are where they basically want to have
their cake and eat it. Too, where they want to

(14:16):
be able to go and cozy up to China but
also get all the cool stuff from New Zealand. Thirty
percent of people said Yep, absolutely fine, yep, carry it on.
Forty six percent of us, though, said no, that should
not happen. Now, obviously this is a worst case scenario,
and I doubt very much will ever end up in
this situation where we're actually cutting access, mainly because I

(14:38):
don't think the people of the Cooks will let it happen.
If there was a government like Mark Brown at the
moment who was taking them down that path, I think
the people of the Cooks would revolt as they are
with the protests and properly kick them out. So I
don't think it's going to get there. But this is
obviously the worst case scenario for the Cook Islands. We
gave this to Jason Walls down in the press gallery.
He's gone and ask David Seymore about it. David Symore

(14:59):
was the Prime Minister today, by the way, so he's
asked David sey Moore about it, so he'll fill us
in when he's with us. Shortly. Heather Net and Yahoo
has been bla b lying about Iran and developing nuclear
weapons since the early nineties. One of the more consistent
provocateurs provocateurs in the region is Israel itself. That's the
quiet bit though, ha ha, says Luke. Headline's next n.

Speaker 1 (15:21):
Noisne putting the challenging questions to the people. At the
heart of the story, it's hither duplicy Ellen drive with
one New Zealand let's get connected news talks.

Speaker 3 (15:38):
That'd be.

Speaker 2 (15:49):
Heather Taylor. Clark said he accepted the consequences of evading police,
running a red light and driving one hundred k's in
a fifty k area. What bloody consequence as well? Driving? Hey,
I think driving? He had he had his license taken
off him for twelve months. Now tell me something. And
to be fair, it was disqualified. Ah, it was disqualified
from driving. Now, just so we get this absolutely correct, now,

(16:12):
do you know? Because back in the day, and I'm
crowdsourcing here, but back in the day, if you had
your license taken off you because you've busted for drink
driving or whatever, all you needed to say to the
police was that you needed your license for work and
then you'd basically get it back. Is it still the case?
So it's actually like a tiny little niggle, but actually
really not that much of a niggle. Is that still

(16:32):
the case? I don't know anyway, let me know nine
two nine two. I'm gonna have Tory, she of the
single name Tory. That's how famous shares. Tory is having
a fight with David David Seymour and you know, as
per usual with Tory, everything is slightly ridiculous and this
one is too. But I'm gonna fill you in. You're
gonna want to hear it. I'll fill you in before
five o'clock. Also, what we need to talk about after

(16:54):
five is this Golden visa. Now, this is the one
where we attract the you know, like high net worth
individuals into the cun It's going absolutely gangbusters. Since April,
which is just slightly less than three months, we have
received one hundred and eighty eighty nine applications, which is
more than the one hundred and sixteen applications that was
received in two and a half years under Labour's settings.

(17:17):
So two and a half years under Labour settings you
get one one six in three months now one eight nine.
We're going to talk to Erica Stanford, the Immigration Minister,
about that after five. It's twenty three away from five.

Speaker 3 (17:27):
It's the world wires on news talks, it'd be drive.

Speaker 2 (17:30):
Israel and the Run are exchanging missile fire once again.
This comes after the big American attack on a run
over the weekend. Here's Trump.

Speaker 10 (17:37):
Iran's key nuclear and Richmond facilities have been completely and
totally obliterated around the bully of the Middle East must
now make peace. If they do not, future attacks would
be far.

Speaker 3 (17:49):
Greater and a lot easier.

Speaker 2 (17:52):
The Iranian parliament has voted to close the Strait of
Homas in response to that attack. Here's Iran's foreign minister.

Speaker 11 (17:57):
The warmong Green are lawless administration in Washington is solely
and fully responsible for the dangerous consequences of its.

Speaker 3 (18:09):
Act of aggression.

Speaker 2 (18:10):
Australian Foreign Minister Penny Wong is totally back in the US.

Speaker 12 (18:13):
Iran cannot be allowed to develop a newtail weapon.

Speaker 3 (18:17):
We support action to prevent that from occurring.

Speaker 2 (18:19):
And this is up, this is and finally.

Speaker 3 (18:23):
Stable. My blooms were issued.

Speaker 2 (18:25):
It turns out the ancient Romans knew how to build
a shaway. They built them to last. Archaeologists in the
UK have dug up a pair of leather sandals from
a two thousand year old foot that are still partially
intact the Roman soldier who wore them.

Speaker 1 (18:38):
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Peace of Mind for New Zealand Business.

Speaker 2 (18:47):
Oliver Peterson six pr per Life Presenters with me Now, Hey, Oli,
Hello Heather. All right, so Ozzie's back in the US.
Pretty hard, eh, Yeah.

Speaker 13 (18:54):
They are now a femish silence over the weekend, and
there was some concern about what the Prime Minister may
or may not say is you just paid played a
clip there of Penny Wong, who did the morning rounds
on television. The Prime Minister has now also addressed the
Australian media and he's called for dialogue and diplomacy. He says, quote,
the world's long agreed that Iran cannot be allowed to
get a nuclear weapon, and we support action to prevent

(19:16):
that is what this is. The US action was directed
at specific sites central to Iran's nuclear program. We don't
want escalation of full scale war. He's also urging Australians
in the region to come home. They have sent repatriation
flights into the Middle East and he is hoping now
the United States, along with Iran and obviously the rest
of the world, can get around the negotiations table and
de escalate any sort of situation.

Speaker 2 (19:37):
Any indication Australia got a heads up, I don't think so.

Speaker 13 (19:40):
I think we are iced out at the moment to
be blunt Heather, and there's obviously some big issues in
the world and Australia seems to be on the sidelines.
I do wonder though, if this is also a little
bit of a test of our relationship with the US
and why I say a test exactly when and how
the Australian government will respond to what the US has done.
And maybe that was part of the delay in why

(20:02):
at the Alberanzi did not say anything until the middle
of today, when many, particularly on the opposition asles we're
even calling for it over the weekend.

Speaker 2 (20:09):
What's the prime minister?

Speaker 13 (20:10):
What does the government say here in Australia.

Speaker 2 (20:12):
Does Australia believe that the Iranians were trying to make
a nuke?

Speaker 3 (20:16):
I think we do.

Speaker 13 (20:17):
And when I say I think we do is because
that's basically what the Prime Minister has now said today
that perhaps now the Australian government has been briefed by
US intelligence sources as to why the Alberanzi He's added
his voice to the chorus.

Speaker 2 (20:30):
Maybe that's why.

Speaker 13 (20:31):
For forty eight hours he tried to say nothing until
he had some concrete evidence that that is what the
Iraanian government were doing. But jeets tense times, isn't it?

Speaker 2 (20:39):
Yeah, totally is ac DC. You're going to go to
these gigs.

Speaker 13 (20:43):
Yeah, I've already got my tickets, Heather are We had
Katie Perry here last night.

Speaker 2 (20:46):
I know you're a big Katie cat.

Speaker 13 (20:47):
Knew if you were in Perth because she's performing again
to an idea, of course, I went, Yeah, some of
the bings hop stars in the worlds and she's been
to space.

Speaker 2 (20:56):
Oh, she's amazing.

Speaker 3 (20:57):
You know.

Speaker 13 (20:58):
The only thing, as I learned from Katie Perry last night, Heather,
holding you back or holding me back, is ourselves, like
our dreams are there to be pursued. If you want
to go to Broadway, Heather, you can. You can go
to Broadway if that's what you want to do. Katy
Perry told me last night that it's only you holding
yourself back.

Speaker 2 (21:14):
She's so inspirational. Are you taking the pass?

Speaker 13 (21:17):
I thought she was sensational, like she's just encouraging a
whole generation of Australians to pursue the best in themselves,
to become the best person that they can be. To
just make sure you wake up in the morning full
of energy and you just sing all those wonderful Katy
Perry tracks like I kissed a girl and I liked it.

Speaker 2 (21:37):
Look, it would be a good time to be there.
I'm not gonna lie. I just and I probably would
go with my god a freebie, which is what I
suspect you got. No, I paid cold hard cash for that.

Speaker 3 (21:48):
Yeah, I took my wife.

Speaker 13 (21:48):
I haven't seen my wife in about a week, all right,
so I've got some brownie points.

Speaker 2 (21:52):
I don't believe in the Katy Perry stick. I'm on
pull leave your wife. I've been busy.

Speaker 13 (21:57):
We had a big Rugby League game over here last week.
We got the Bears coming into the NRLs, so we've
had a few little bits and bobs to if you've.

Speaker 2 (22:03):
Been going out and she's been staying home with you
correct percent, So you know I did the right thing.
Took my wife to Katy Perry and I kissed a
girl and I liked it. Yes, do you know what,
I forgive you everything. That's just so good, and she
would have kissed you after that. She was Okay, listen,
tell me really quickly about what's gone more than this
pop plant, because this is nuts, isn't it.

Speaker 13 (22:24):
This is the story of the year, you know, forget
about everything else. Imagine being so cheesed off with your
neighbor in an apartment complex that they put pop plants
in the common areas.

Speaker 2 (22:34):
You decided to take them to court.

Speaker 13 (22:35):
And not just to court, you took them to court
for two years and spent thousands and thousands of dollars
to get them to order to remove the pop plants
from the common area just in case you tripped over.

Speaker 2 (22:44):
Okay, yeah, well you know that's that sounds like everything
in New Zealand with health and safety. So anyway, Oliver,
I'm Peterson. I'm still thinking about just what happened last night.

Speaker 8 (22:53):
So what the good news is?

Speaker 13 (22:55):
You've got seven and a half hours to get to
her next gig here in Perth. We've got direct flights
Aucklands to play.

Speaker 2 (23:01):
Far away, but you could get there. Come on, yeap,
just get here to know you'd love it.

Speaker 3 (23:04):
She's great.

Speaker 2 (23:05):
Okay, anyway, if you go, thank you very much, really appreciated.
Oliver Peterson doesn't actually need to be ged up by KATIEA.
He's just got so much enthusiasm as it is for life.
Omg here that this is just like the early two
thousands with the weapons of mass destruction bs Trump who
said he would never start or get involved in any
stupid wars in the Middle East to showing he's just
a two faced liar and we'll just say things to
get into power. Hey grant. Alternative perspective on this view

(23:28):
not one that I agree with, but this is one
that I've heard put to me, which is that he
hasn't started a war, he's ending a war because it's
been a kind of like a Cold War between the
US and Israel on one side and Iran on the
other for like twenty years or thirty years. Isn't it
where we've been going Are the Uranians or are they not?
Building themselves a little nuclear weapon? And everybody's sort of
watching it, you know, waiting, and there's threats, and there's

(23:49):
inspectors and all this kind of stuff. And instead of
instead of sitting around going are they or are they not?
He just went Okay, bomb got rid of it. Well, God,
it didn't get that rid of that much. And I'll
go give you that detail shortly. But that's an alternative perspective,
and maybe the one that he's, you know, in Trump world,
is believing. Yes, there is a thing called a limited license,

(24:10):
which Caleb can thankfully get for himself because he doesn't
have a license at the moment after speeding away from
the cops. It's called a work license, says somebody costs
you a bit to get one, though my mate has one,
thank you, Tim. Hither it's called a limited license, can
only be applied for a month after the disqualification starts.
No guarantee you'll get it, but usually granted Mark, of
course he'll get it. He's an all black. Hither, you
get approval to drive, you get approval to drive for work.

(24:32):
It's not a twenty four hour free pass. And there's
lots and lots of it. We all know about it.
As it turns out, What does that tell you about us?
Sixteen away from five.

Speaker 1 (24:39):
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Speaker 2 (24:43):
Jason Wall's news talks there b political editors with us
Now Hello, Jason Good afternoon.

Speaker 14 (24:47):
Hello.

Speaker 2 (24:48):
Did you ask David seymore about that poll?

Speaker 7 (24:50):
I did.

Speaker 15 (24:50):
Indeed, it was an interesting poll in terms of the results.
There we have forty six percent of nearly half people
saying that, given all the sort of what's going on
with the Cook Islands in terms of this closer relationship
that it has with China, should they essentially, you know,
should they be well, I'll read the poll to you.
Actually it might be a little bit easier. The Cook

(25:12):
Islands government is pursuing closest strategic ties with China, ignoring
New Zealand's wishes and not consulting with the New Zealand government.
Given this, should the Cook Islands continue to enjoy automatic
access to New Zealand's passports, citizenship, healthcare and education when
its government pursues a foreign policy against the wishes of
New Zealand. So thirty percent of people said yes, forty

(25:35):
six percent of people said no, which is quite an
interesting figure. So I asked see more about that. Here
is what he said.

Speaker 16 (25:41):
There's been a long and fruitful relationship between the Cook
Islands and New Zealand and Free Association. There's been a
bit of a bump in the road lately, but that
has been worked through between our Prime minister, our Foreign
minister and their government. I believe in the long term New.

Speaker 3 (25:59):
Zealand it's the Cooks.

Speaker 16 (26:00):
The Cooks need New Zealand and we're going to get
each other. It would be I think premature to start
pulling out withdrawals of long held and cherished rights of
citizenship and entry between the two countries.

Speaker 15 (26:16):
So it doesn't sound like it's going to happen, and
frankly I didn't think that it would. I mean, I
mean the government you said it himself there. It's a
bit of a bump in the road. So we'll wait
to see what happens with the Prime minister over there.
We wait to see what happens between China and the
Cooks as well as New Zealand and the Cook Islands
as well. We haven't had any update per se on
how things are going, or at least David Seymour hadn't

(26:36):
when I spoke to him this afternoon, but eyes appealed.
But interesting numbers.

Speaker 2 (26:40):
Yeah, it's not going to happen, is it. I mean,
there's obviously a little bit of public support for it,
it's a very small margin, but it's not going to happen.
Is it because the people of the Cooks are not
going to let that happen.

Speaker 14 (26:49):
No.

Speaker 15 (26:50):
I mean, if it was ever a legitimately legitimately on
the table, there would be a revolt over in the
Cook Islands because they get a lot out of this,
and obviously back in New Zealand as well, there'd be
people here that would take to the streets. I mean,
as this poll shows, there's more people supporting no than yes,
but you would still get a groundswell of support around
people that really, despite what was going on, wanted the

(27:10):
best interests of the people of the Cook Islands in mind.

Speaker 2 (27:13):
Absolutely, I'm pretty sure they would force Mark Brown Pullers
hid in. Actually, now David Seymour prime Minister for a day.
How did he go in the postcap?

Speaker 15 (27:21):
I think he went pretty well. I mean he struck
a pretty middle of the road tone over the situation
in the Middle East.

Speaker 16 (27:26):
Have a listen, We're not sitting on the fence, nor
are we rushing to judgment. I believe the world is
not sitting there waiting for New Zealand to give its
position on the legality of the situation.

Speaker 15 (27:39):
As much as I'd like to think that the world
was waiting for New Zealand to weigh in on this situation.
He's right, they're not. And the worst thing would what
could happen right now is New Zealand would come in
too hard, too early and say something that it ultimately
would get contradicted and then we'd look like a fool
on the global stage. There was always a bit of
a risk that Deputy are acting prime minis that David

(28:00):
Seymour would say something that's a little bit more act
party esque than Prime ministerial. And you know, I think
that he had a pretty statesmanly like response to some things,
apart from when he was asked. His response to what
Labour stance on US versus Iran was what do you
make of the opposition's.

Speaker 13 (28:17):
Response to this?

Speaker 15 (28:18):
The Labor Party have been very against what the US
have done. Tibatimari on similar vein well, speaking.

Speaker 16 (28:23):
Of people that don't have all the intelligence, I'd categorize
them that one.

Speaker 15 (28:26):
So there's Seymour and he wasn't a fan of Tory.
Fara writing to the Prime Minister saying that David Seymour
was breaching the Cabinet manual over his calling out of
people who were critical of the Regulatory Standards Bill. She
says that it breaches the Cabinet manual. Just curious about
what your response to that is.

Speaker 16 (28:42):
So sorry, Tory far Now was accusing me of inappropriate behavior. Yeah,
I've heard it all.

Speaker 15 (28:49):
So the troll David is still there even if the
acting Prime Minister David is mainly in control.

Speaker 2 (28:55):
Jason, did anybody ask him? Did he explain why it
is that the Australians are fully backing the US attacks
and where not?

Speaker 9 (29:01):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (29:02):
He did.

Speaker 15 (29:02):
He was asked about that extensively, and essentially he just
came back to this point that the world isn't waiting
for New Zealand to respond, and it's not really within
our national interests to come out swinging on something like this.
But you have to question when it is Australia who
are our only formal allies, we should surely be taking
the same stance as them. I mean, what's for harm
and that?

Speaker 2 (29:22):
Okay? Listen, thanks very much, Jason, appreciate it. Jason Wall's
news talks, eb's political editors coming up eight away from five.

Speaker 1 (29:28):
Putting the time questions to the newspakers, some mic asking breakfast.

Speaker 3 (29:32):
Christer b Luxan as whether as we run, how worried
are you? It is worrying.

Speaker 5 (29:36):
We we really need to see diplomacy and dialogue take
place because our political solution is what's needed. They're not
more military action.

Speaker 2 (29:42):
Do you support what the Americans did?

Speaker 3 (29:43):
Well, again, we are.

Speaker 5 (29:44):
What we want to see in the Middle East is
not Iran with a nuclear weapon, and we don't want
to see Israel occupying Gaza. We don't want to see
how mass holding on to hostages and all of those cases.
The chances to sort of get on and get into
proper negotiations to get the region calmed down and stable.
Otherwise you're going to have endless military action and constant conflict.
So you've got to be able to get round a
table have a sensible conversation.

Speaker 1 (30:06):
Back tomorrow at six am the Mic Hosking Breakfast with
the Defender otor Newstalk ZB all.

Speaker 2 (30:12):
Right, five away from five. So I'm going to explain
this whole situation with Tory Farno and David Seymour, just
so that you can get yourself across this, just so
you can understand the ridiculousness of her intervention. So what
happened here is that in christ Church, Christ Church City
Council decided to get involved with the Regulatory Standards Bill
and they decided, they voted that they were going to
criticize the Regulatory Standards Bill and there was a vote

(30:36):
and everybody supported it, and David Seymour was then asked
about it and he said that he believed it was
possible that the Mayor of christ Church had in fact
been influenced by the officials who had given him misinformation
or partial information or whatever to get him to support this,
and he compared the council staff to Vladimir Putin because
they're unelected, they're there, but you can't get rid of them,

(30:58):
unlike the mayor anyway. He also then said the scholars,
who are the academics who are opposing the Regulatory Standards
bills are basically just the victims of the day. And look,
can you disagree with either of these comments. Well, Tory does.
Torris got involved. She's written to the Prime Minister. She
wants an official investigation into David Seymour for this. She

(31:18):
says the deliberate targeting of academics and the exposure of
christ Church Council staff to ridicule by comparing them to
putin following their opinions appears to be a direct breach
of the standards, the Cabinet Manual Standards of Conduct. It's
a blatant attempt to stifle academic freedom and any dissenting opinion. Wellington,
is this what you want your mayor to be doing?
Is this how she should be using her time? Because

(31:39):
I tell you what, I don't know about you. But
if Tory opens her mouth about something, I, for the
most part stopped listening. Don't you anyway? So I think
David's response was bang on, don't you so sorry?

Speaker 16 (31:49):
Tory far now is accusing me of inappropriate behavior to
now I've heard it all, Well, there's no such breach.
If people want to go out and make completely incorrect statement,
then I'm going to get a bit playful and have
some fun with them.

Speaker 2 (32:05):
Oh Tory, Hey, we're going to go to deal with
the Iran situation next. Let's have a chat to David kilcullen,
who's the Middle East expert and a former advisor to
Condoleeza Rice. The question, of course, is where does this
go next? Is their regime change? Can Donald Trump stop
at this or is he going to keep going? Is
he going to keep wanting more and get drawn in
and then after that find out about that Golden visa

(32:26):
just bringing heaps of money into the country. News talks
that be you know, Oka Home.

Speaker 1 (32:42):
Fifty five, digging through the spin spins to find the
real story story. It's Heather due for the on drive
with one New Zealand. Let's get connected.

Speaker 3 (32:57):
News talks be good afternoon.

Speaker 2 (32:59):
Donald Trump has hinted that he might be after a
regime change in i Ran. After all, he's posted on
social media. It's not politically correct to use the term
regime change, but if a current Iranian regime is unable
to make a run great again, why wouldn't there be
a regime change?

Speaker 7 (33:14):
Now?

Speaker 2 (33:14):
This would be a mission change because it was previously
the bombs were previously only about getting rid of the
nuclear weapons. And David kilcullen served in Iraq and Afghanistan.
He was an advisor to former US Secretary of State
Condoleeza Rice is now a professor at Camberrie University and
with US. Hello, David, hey, hether, what do you reckon?
Does this get bigger? Does this become about regime change?

Speaker 17 (33:36):
Well, the real answer is nobody knows. There are certainly
people within Donald Trump's coalition of supporters in the US
that would be extraordinarily unhappy at any escalation or any
bigger conflict, and we've seen them getting very vocal over
the last few days.

Speaker 14 (33:56):
But there are also.

Speaker 17 (33:57):
Influential people in the Senate and elsewhere who would like
to see a regime change. So it's really a I think,
you know, as any other veteran will probably tell you.
Starting a conflict, politicians may think they've got a clear
idea where it ends up, but you almost never do,
and once the bombs drop, you know, it can really

(34:18):
escalate in unexpected directions.

Speaker 2 (34:21):
Do you believe that Aron was working on a nuclear weapon?

Speaker 17 (34:25):
We know that they were prior to two thousand and three.
There have been basically three different assessments that are out there.
One is the US Intelligence Community assessment, which is recently
as March this year, said that they had not restarted
that program since two thousand and three. They were talking
about it more, but they hadn't. The second version of

(34:49):
events is the Israeli version, which suggests that they were
days two weeks away from having a functioning nuclear weapon,
which should caveat that by saying that the Israelis have
been saying some version of that for about twenty years now,
so there's some debate about whether that's more of a
political statement or more of an analytical statement. And then

(35:12):
the third option is what the IAEA, the International Atomic
Energy Authority, said on the night of June, which was
that the Iranians seem to have enough fissile material, but
they haven't currently made a bomb. So there's really a
lot of dispute out there as to what the actual

(35:33):
state of the Iranian nuclear program is.

Speaker 2 (35:36):
If they were in fact making a bomb or getting
very close to the possibility of switching to that, blowing
these three sites up to the extent that the US
has does this, I mean, it seems to me this
would only delay it. Right, It's not going to stop
what they're doing.

Speaker 9 (35:50):
Is it.

Speaker 6 (35:52):
Well.

Speaker 17 (35:53):
The Israelis, of course, have been in an active war
with Iran for about ten days now and killed a
number of major nuclear scientists as well as damaging lots
of other sites. The reason for the US strike being
so essential to Iran's war plans is that to target

(36:13):
the Fotoh site, which is the one that's deeply buried
under a mountain, you needed a weapon that only the
US has, which is the so called massive ordinance penetrator,
which is a sort of fourteen pounds bomb. So, you know,
I think the chances of US getting a clear battle

(36:35):
damage assessment anytime soon are pretty slim. I think the
US government is trying to portray it as complete destruction
of photo, but there's really no way to tell that
until somebody gets in there and takes a look and
a coross there's very little chance of that.

Speaker 2 (36:52):
David, thank you very much, really appreciate your time. There's
David Kilcallum, who is of course a former advisor to
Secretary of State US Secretary of State Condolliza Rice. I'm
going to give you some insight into possibly why it's
only been delayed. If anything, we'll get to that shortly
five eleven.

Speaker 3 (37:05):
Heather Doupers the Al the Wan's new.

Speaker 2 (37:07):
Golden visa scheme to attract wealthy foreigners is going gangbusters.
In the last three months, it has attracted one hundred
and eighty nine applications. Now that is a lot more
than the one hundred and sixteen applications that came through
under Labour's rules, and that took two and a half years.
Erica Stanford is the Immigration min'ster Hey Erica.

Speaker 6 (37:24):
Good afternoon, Erica.

Speaker 2 (37:25):
If we've got two hundred applications almost why I have
only seven been granted visa so far.

Speaker 18 (37:32):
Well, what happens is that these people have got six
months in which to find their acceptable investment and make
their investment. It used to be eighteen months, we've shifted
it back to six months, and so there is a
period of time we're only early days yet in which
we've got to start pushing these pieces through. But one
hundred application has been approved in principle. It's not bad

(37:53):
half to just ten weeks.

Speaker 2 (37:54):
Yeah, what's the difference between actually approved and improved in principle?
What are you waiting for that?

Speaker 18 (38:00):
And this is where they are about to put their
money in, for example, So we've got to do a
whole lot of work in the background. So we've got
to make sure that their applications are final full dunally medicals,
We've got to trace sources of funds. It takes quite
a while because we don't want dirty money, so that's
why it takes a little while to get to this point.

(38:20):
Then they're approved from principle and then they make their investments.

Speaker 2 (38:22):
Fabulous And where are these people coming from?

Speaker 18 (38:26):
Well, predominantly a lot of them are coming out of America.
So there's one hundred and eighty nine applications and eighty
five of those are out of the States. Are closely
followed by China twenty six and then Hong Kong twenty
four and then Germany at sixteen, and we're seeing quite
a lot of interest out at the German market.

Speaker 2 (38:44):
Is there any requirements on them to keep their money
here for a period of time?

Speaker 18 (38:49):
There is, depending on if they're going for the balanced
category or for the growth category, that's either five years
or three years, So there is a period of time
they've got to have that here. But we know that
actually that initial investment is almost it's significant, but it's
actually what they invest after that we know through the
data that we do have. You know that they invest

(39:11):
a whole lot more once they get here and they
see the ecosystem and they fall in love with the
place and they have they are quite big philanthropists as well,
so there is a huge amount of investment that goes
on after that initial investment.

Speaker 2 (39:22):
Are you going to keep measuring the benefits that these
people bring, like it's one thing to get them here,
then to actually know what they're doing the benefit to
the country. Are you going to measure that we are.

Speaker 18 (39:32):
We've put written something into the instructions that allow us
to keep tracking what they do after their initial investment.
We've never had that data before, but we will be
tracking it. We will also, through IMZ, keep a really
close eye on the businesses that are being invested in.
So we were just today at Hotline Labs who are
wanting to grow to a one hundred million dollar plus
company and export up to Europe and may need suns

(39:55):
in order to do that. So it'll be companies like
that and all the people that employee and the export
dollars at their earning will also be a part. We'll
look at tracking through and through invest New zealand that
new body as well.

Speaker 2 (40:08):
Erica, thanks very much, appreciate your time. That's Erica Stanford,
Immigration Minister. I'll get you that detail on why there's
some new program's only been delayed fourteen past five. Are
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Speaker 3 (41:12):
MZ Heather Duper see Allen Heather in Richmond.

Speaker 2 (41:15):
Is three to six percent. For nuclear power, it's ninety
percent plus for nuclear weapons. Why has run got more
than fifty percent in Richmond? Good question? Sean eighteen past five. Now,
a bunch of debutants were named in the All Black
Squad announced today. One of them is Brody McAllister. He's
twenty eight, is from christ Church. He moved to the Crusader,
from the Crusaders to the Chiefs this season. Hey Brody, hey, good,

(41:37):
thank you, congratulations. How are you feeling?

Speaker 19 (41:40):
Thank you being some sort of day? Yeah, we've it
shocked at this but yeah, to let me lefting all
the messages up and just packing the house up. I'm
about to draw back to christ.

Speaker 2 (41:56):
Which nar Actually, why are you packing your house up?

Speaker 19 (42:01):
Moving back to Chross shoot after the season?

Speaker 5 (42:05):
Year busy?

Speaker 3 (42:07):
David?

Speaker 14 (42:07):
Did you?

Speaker 2 (42:08):
Is it true, Brody that you found out like everybody
else with David Kirk just reading.

Speaker 19 (42:12):
That list out yep, found out in lunch sign today.

Speaker 3 (42:16):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (42:17):
They don't give you a heads up or anything.

Speaker 19 (42:19):
No heads up. I was watching it in the garage,
pecking the trailer.

Speaker 2 (42:25):
Who did you call first? Your mum?

Speaker 19 (42:30):
No, mummy actually called me and uh yeah mum and
dad actually called me straight away. Yeah, we're weaber and
shock and the garage. The phone was just blowing up.

Speaker 2 (42:40):
Mate, How proud are they of you today?

Speaker 3 (42:44):
Yeah?

Speaker 19 (42:46):
They were pretty stoked. Yeah mum had a few tears.

Speaker 2 (42:50):
Yeah, bloody bet, my bloody bet she did. Now what
happens now? I mean, do you get like it's probably
too early? But have you thought about that?

Speaker 14 (42:58):
Do you do?

Speaker 1 (42:59):
You know?

Speaker 2 (42:59):
Do you get a pay rise?

Speaker 16 (43:03):
Ah?

Speaker 19 (43:05):
I'm sure. Well I'll just carry on enjoying my footy
and yeah, just looking forward to getting involved.

Speaker 2 (43:13):
And I'm sensing that you're very awkward about that question.
What about do they do they rock up with a
brand new forward for you or a Toyota or something
like that. Do you get a new ute.

Speaker 19 (43:24):
That I'm unsure on what all the perks are, but yeah, yeah,
just looking forward to getting in there and getting stuck in.

Speaker 2 (43:35):
Are you also feeling equal amounts of being stoked about
this and then totally packing yourself because it's like it's
the thing you want, but now you have to perform.

Speaker 19 (43:46):
Yeah. Yeah, it's pretty fortunate. After I would go into
the environment into last year over when they were in
the UK, so I'd kind of expect to know what's coming.
But yeah, obviously got an auded pressure on you. But

(44:06):
that's where you want to be. And yeah, I'm just
looking forward to being able to better myself.

Speaker 2 (44:13):
And yeah, okay, Brody, best of luck. I hope at
the very least you get yourself a new Toyota Brodie
McAllister chiefs and all blacks Howker, all blacks Hoker? How
about that?

Speaker 3 (44:23):
Now?

Speaker 2 (44:24):
Okay, here we go. This is why I think that
at best, probably the US if we accept that the
Iranians were building a nuclear weapon and come on. Of course,
this will only delay it because it looks like the
US hasn't quite managed to do the extent of damage
that Trump has suggested they have. There were three sites
that were bombed. Isfahan was the deepest, and this is

(44:45):
where it's believed nearly sixty percent of Iran's nuclear stockpile
was supposed to be stored underground. For some reason, the
US didn't use the bunker busters there. They used Tomahawk
cruise missiles instead. They don't do nearly as much damage,
and therefore the damage to Isfahan is it looks like
it's restricted to the above ground structures, so there's more
to do there by the looks of things. But also

(45:06):
because Trumpy had given them a two week warning and said,
if you don't do the stuff in two weeks, I'm
going to bomb you. They It appears that they may
have got a lot of the stuff out because there's
a lot of satellite images going around showing that there
were trucks and bulldozers and security convoys arriving at these
sites and analysts reckon. It was a frantic effort to
move the centrifugias and the shielding materials and all the

(45:26):
stuff away. So they possibly managed, and they reckon, they
managed to get it all out. So there you go,
five twenty two.

Speaker 3 (45:34):
Checking the point of the story.

Speaker 1 (45:36):
get connected and youth talks.

Speaker 2 (45:41):
They'd be five twenty five. So Caleb Clark gay. So,
as we've discussed, Caleb Clark has today been given a
discharge without conviction for fleeing from police. Now what happened
if you haven't followed this is back in December. The
police clocked him. By the way, he's the all black.
The police clocked him speeding on his Yamaha motorbike. He
was on the Northwestern Away in Auckland Air It was
around about Western Springs and he was going faster than

(46:03):
he was allowed to at eighty ks. So the coppers
signaled for him to stop. They used their lights and sirens.
He saw that and then he sped up and fled
the police. He left the motorway on Great North Road,
continued its speed towards Blockhouse Bay. At one point he
was in a fifty k area because it was residential
because people live on that street, and he was going
one hundred and ten k's per hour on his motorbike.

(46:25):
Then he ran a red light. By this time they
had the chopper up in the sky trying to stop him.
They got him in the end. He pleaded guilty in February,
and he got a discharge without conviction today. Now I
know what you're going to say, Oh, special treatment. It's
not the case. This is not a story about an
all black getting special treatment, because this is not special treatment.
As far as we know. This was his first offense,

(46:47):
and it is pretty normal for a first time offender
to get a discharge without conviction. If it isn't a
big deal, is it a big deal?

Speaker 3 (46:54):
Though?

Speaker 2 (46:55):
I feel like it's a big We'll get back to that.
This is really a story about how our legal system
has lost the place, because even two of Caleb Clark's
sponsors dropped him after this, because of course they dropped
him after this, because this is a big deal. I mean,
he didn't just make one mistake in the heat of
the moment. He for several kilometers and for a fair
amount of time, kept on deciding to run away from

(47:15):
the cops, to the extent that the police got the
chopper up at all of that expense. That is how
serious they thought the situation was. It's pretty full on.
It's full on enough for two sponsors to say they
don't want to be associated with him and they don't
want him anywhere they near the brand. But what is
bizarre to me is that our legal system thinks this
is not serious enough to warrant a conviction. As I say,

(47:35):
this is not Caleb Clark getting special treatment. This is normal.
This shouldn't be normal though, right together do for c
Ellen Heather. I'm driving down the motorway screaming you can
go from sixty percent enriched uranium to a bomb in
a very short period of time. There are one hundred
meters underground for one reason only, for goodness, sake Greek.
I think most of us can see, you know, I mean,

(47:58):
I feel like the un is still la lah. It's okay,
but the rest of us are like, this sort of
looks dodgy as hell. Anyhow, we're going to talk to
the huddle about that shortly. Also, Nikola willis, who's with
us after six o'clock. But let's get to that pole
on the Cock's next.

Speaker 1 (48:12):
After making the news, the newsmakers talk to Heather first.
get connected news talks.

Speaker 3 (48:22):
They'd Ben.

Speaker 2 (48:29):
Bringly talk about Clark gathered at some stage probably before
six o'clock. So get yourself just mental, like you steal
yourself for that. We're going to talk about it. The
huddle is standing by. Hither the key issue here with
the Caleb Clark, oh Wayne reckons that Caleb should pay
for the chopper. I don't have that idea. Hither, the
key issue here is that stupid piece of five lane
motorway that got dropped down to eighty k's during COVID lockdown.

(48:51):
It's probably a cash cow for the cops. It's ridiculous.
I know that that should be one h ten at
the very least, so he was you know, I mean
he was driving a pro prietly, wasn't he for how
the speed limit should be except that is against the
rules and when the cops turn on the lights and sirens,
you got to pay that attention twenty four away from six. Now,
most key, we think that if the Cook Island's Prime Minister,
Mark Brown carries on with his foreign policy antics, New

(49:14):
Zealand should withdraw automatic access to New Zealand, including passport's
healthcare and superannuation from the Cox Curia and the Taxpayers
Union has given us some polling showing forty six percent
of people agree with that, only thirty percent disagree. Now,
Associate Professor Annapol's is a Pacific security expert from Massi
University and with us, Now, Anna Hellore, let's start with

(49:35):
whether this is going to happen or not. I mean,
this is this is there is no way that this
ever happens? Am I right?

Speaker 1 (49:41):
No?

Speaker 20 (49:42):
No, I do not foresee Cook Island as losing that access.

Speaker 2 (49:50):
Why not?

Speaker 20 (49:52):
Well, for a start, there is the special relationship between
Cook Islands and Alto in New Zealand and where where
by New Zealand has a constitutional responsibility towards Cork Islands,
which is in free association, which is a term that's
used with New Zealand, and.

Speaker 2 (50:13):
It is a very it's a deep.

Speaker 20 (50:14):
Relationship as a as a Pacific journalist said recently, it's
a relationship based on family and foreign policy and as
well as the financial side.

Speaker 2 (50:25):
So there is some way to.

Speaker 20 (50:28):
The only way that that would potentially happen would be
if Cork Islands became a fully independent.

Speaker 2 (50:34):
State, which the people don't want right.

Speaker 20 (50:37):
Well, certainly the Prime Minister Mark Brown has has stated
on a number of occasions that he would like to
see Cork Island's full independence, and that's where deeply mining,
for instance, becomes a really key mechanism or vehicle for
achieving that. But for many Cook Islanders it's fairly divided

(51:00):
and it's really complex and there are significant benefits, particularly
with respect to healthcare and access to good health care.

Speaker 2 (51:09):
Now do you think that that slight majority in the
poll though, gives Winston Peter's the ability to threaten Mirk
Brown with.

Speaker 20 (51:15):
That, Well, I think firstly we need to keep in mind,
obviously the sampling number for this poll, which is around
one thousand people. I don't think that it will be
particularly wise for Minister Peters to seek to continue to

(51:37):
kind of sort of leverage, leverage or these sort of
you know what he may see sort of a bargaining
chip with Cockland. It's not likely to be successful. Well,
I mean it's just for a start. It does not
reflect the sort of the manner of the relationship. It

(51:57):
does not reflect the depth of the relationship.

Speaker 2 (52:00):
What if though the Cock Island officials were not turning
up to meetings, refusing to take meetings, just blanking New
Zealand officials. If that was the level of the relationship,
then how much money is there?

Speaker 20 (52:13):
Well, this is the question for both Cook Islands and
for New Zealand. I mean, this is not just This
does not just rest with New Zealand. No, I think
we need to be clear on this. There has been concern,
as you say, that Ministry Foreign Affairs and Trade officials
have had difficulty accessing meetings with key individuals within the

(52:35):
Cork Islands system, and that that also obviously needs to
be on the table in order to address that. Using
development assistance such as the pause on the twenty million
as leverage is not likely to be successful. And this

(52:59):
is where there needs to be some creative thinking on
the part both in Wellington and in Cook Islands, because
if the relationship is to it's to move forward in
a positive way, which sort of reflects what the bulk
of New Zealanders and Cook Islanders would like to see
is a healthy, strong, trusted relationship. All right, then they

(53:20):
need to reassess how they're engaging.

Speaker 2 (53:22):
And thank you, I really appreciate your time. Annapol's associate
professor at the Center for Defense and Security Studies at
Massi University.

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Willis PR and Joseph GARNEI of Child Fund Hello you too.

Speaker 7 (53:40):
Hello Hello.

Speaker 2 (53:41):
Do you think Trish that the US should have bombed
those Iranian nuclear sites?

Speaker 7 (53:46):
I don't.

Speaker 21 (53:48):
And here's why. Number One, I don't trust the strategy
or the intent of the Trump administration. I don't trust
any of the facts that they're going to put out
around this, and in my view, what we know about
Trump is he's got a hero complex. So this is
the guy who said I'm going to fix the Ukraine

(54:09):
war within what was it a week or twenty four
hours after becoming president. To me, this reeks of another
one of his sort of flood the zone tactics. I'm
not doing what I said i'd do over here. He's
a president who said there would be the US would
not enter animal wars and heyhof Off egos And do you.

Speaker 2 (54:28):
Leave it though? Do you leave them just sitting there
enriching that uranium. Do you just accept that they want
a new than they will have a new Well, I
just I don't believe that they had reached probably the
threshold here.

Speaker 12 (54:40):
And in my view, as we know that.

Speaker 21 (54:43):
Israel were they have been itching to do something. And
as I say, this is more about me not trusting
the Trump administration to have done the work to have
gone in at this point.

Speaker 2 (54:54):
Okay, what do you think interesting?

Speaker 12 (54:55):
Yeah, I mean, don't forget.

Speaker 22 (54:56):
We had an agreement, the Joint Program for Action or
whatever it was called, that Obama negotiated with Iran for
them not to develop a nuclear weapon, and that was
actually going quite well. That the signs were and the
inspectors were seeing that the levels of Ukrainium had gone down.
Now you know, now Trump basically ripped the whole thing up,

(55:18):
and that's partly why we're in this situation now. So
the problem is, you know, it's a big gamble. Worst
case scenario Iran retaliate. I mean they're talking about, you know,
blockading the Strait, stopping ships get through. There's hundreds of
thousands of US troops in the region. They could start
targeting those US troops, targeting embassies. They've still got some proxies.

(55:41):
So hamas Hesbala, yep, you know, collapsed and greatly weakened,
but they've still got the hooties. They've still got you know,
others in other areas. So you know, you could unleash
a sort of terror. So it's a huge gamble that
Trump has taken. The US is taken, and we know
from history.

Speaker 2 (55:59):
Right, doesn't building a nuke?

Speaker 12 (56:02):
Oh, I'm sure they were. Look these are bad guys, right.

Speaker 2 (56:05):
They're really bad. Do you do you believe they were
building a nutrient? Yes, I do, I do.

Speaker 21 (56:10):
There's no doubt that they have been developing.

Speaker 12 (56:14):
Before you finish that.

Speaker 22 (56:15):
The other thing to bear in mind it's not just
the impact of will just escalate into Third World War.
And you look at the nineteen thirty eight we had
lots of unrelated centers of war Italy, Spain, Abyssinia, and
suddenly it all became World War Two. We've got the
similar situation here, lots of theaters of war Ukraine. But
the point is you know that they they if Trump,

(56:38):
you know, if they do retaliate, it'll be awful. But
the other thing is that they by doing this, Trump
has shown that you know, it's clearly illegal. It's not
self defense. The point about self defense is that has
to be okay, okay, but.

Speaker 2 (56:53):
Hang on attack. So let's accept we all three except
that we believe that around was building a nuke? Right,
So at what point, what do you do, Trish to
stop them getting to that point?

Speaker 21 (57:04):
Well, this was a part of what was supposed to
be an ongoing negotiation to get what do you do.

Speaker 2 (57:10):
It's now twenty twenty five or halfway through the year.
Trump's the previce.

Speaker 12 (57:13):
You signed the Joint Comprehensive Plan of Action.

Speaker 2 (57:15):
Well that's Trump.

Speaker 22 (57:16):
It did seven to eighty percent, It did stop them heat,
But never mind what happened. What do you do now,
So now I think you go back to the negotiating table.
I think the Millers and I Tellaho many are in
a very weak position. This is and right now, I'm
talking right now.

Speaker 2 (57:32):
All the bombs. Right. What I'm trying to establish is
I can't see that there was another option. And I'm
happy to be told there was, but I can't see
that there was another option. Now, if you accept that
there's no other option, they are building a nuke, there's
no other option. You've got to bomb those sites. Then
is now not the best time to bomb those sites?
Because you've got you've got Hamas totally down, You've got
those other chaps has bollered down, you've got rush Strategically.

Speaker 22 (57:55):
Yes, militarily yes yes, but whether or not that's the
best thing to do to stop it escalation of war
in the Middle East and it But I said that,
I know that, But how negotiate and how else do
you subject comprehensive plan of actions?

Speaker 7 (58:09):
You try?

Speaker 22 (58:09):
Because they're weak, right, and they want to see those
sanctions lifted from the US. And I actually think you're
in a really strong position, do you, and don't forget
you talk first before the bobs.

Speaker 21 (58:18):
And don't forget Iran has always looked to negotiate, So this,
despite this being a shocking regime, they have always worked
to negotiate. And the issue I have here, it's highlighted
in by Trump today, who's saying, you know, oh, you know,
now this is about getting a regime change. Well that
that is not the purpose of going in and bombing

(58:42):
these sites, and so that that is the problem that
we've got as the world now is not being able
to trust the foundation for this, the information for this,
or or really what we have no idea now what
what might happen and hopefully what we hope for is
it's a bit like when General Salemina was assassinated, and
that was under the last Trump administration, where there was

(59:04):
a sort of token we all thought, oh god, this
is going to escalate into Third World War. Then there
was a token tip for Tat, and I hope that's
what will happen now. There'll be some token tip for Tat.
Some you know, Iran will react in some way.

Speaker 22 (59:19):
It'll be enough to say we all go back to
the drawing board, and for God's sake, Trump has to
shut up about raging change.

Speaker 2 (59:26):
Shake a break and come back to you, guys, it's
fourteen away from six.

Speaker 1 (59:31):
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Are You're back with the heart altricious? And Joseph Beganni right, Josie,
So what do you think of Caleb Clark getting the
discharge without conviction?

Speaker 12 (59:43):
Well, I feel like it's his first offense.

Speaker 2 (59:47):
I mean as a police chop Aray's.

Speaker 22 (59:51):
I didn't know that detail. Heaven, when I heard you
say that, I was thinking all the police chopper was out.
But I do think if you you know this is
whole thing. Oh, you're in all black, you're getting special treatments,
but also as an all black you shouldn't get worse treatment, right,
Both of those things are true, and I look at
that just remove the fact that he's an all black.
He's clearly hugely remorseful, his family normal.

Speaker 21 (01:00:12):
No, to me, it's the it's the running from the cops.
We've all done dumb stuff and broke We've all run
with the cops. Well no, no, no, no no, we've
all broken the speed limit.

Speaker 2 (01:00:22):
But it's drunk the girlfriend.

Speaker 21 (01:00:23):
But it's the decision to run from the cops that
elevates this, and the bigger issue here is not the
individual that decides to run. But we all know the
number of times that police chasers have ended in other
people getting seriously injured and harmed. It's a really serious.

Speaker 22 (01:00:43):
Realizes that trist From what I've seen of the interviews afterwards,
he cried and caught. He's gone through the ringers, right, Jo.

Speaker 2 (01:00:49):
I am not trying to pick on Caleb. No, I'm
not asking for Caleb to get a really tough punishment.
I just think it is mental that in this country
if you run from the cops to this extent with
the chopper in the air, we got first offense discharged
with that conviction, and that should not be normal, should it.

Speaker 14 (01:01:06):
No?

Speaker 22 (01:01:07):
I think I understand what you're saying this, and is
there a it would be interesting to look at other
cases that might be similar. I mean, I hope not
too many cases similar with the chopper out, but and
whether or not they also got sort of first first offender,
you know, got mat off.

Speaker 2 (01:01:21):
Yeah, And I think it's it's it's the question of
whether this is normal. We don't know whether it is.

Speaker 21 (01:01:28):
But the worrying thing I think for the court system
is that there are questions around whether or not there's
consistency and whether or not serious first time offenses are
getting just discharges without conviction. I think that's the thing
because people start to lose faith.

Speaker 12 (01:01:45):
Why was he running from the cops? I don't know, See,
that's the question I have.

Speaker 2 (01:01:51):
Well, I mean, he didn't. It didn't sound like he
was Boo's day. He wasn't boozed.

Speaker 12 (01:01:55):
No, no, he definitely wasn't.

Speaker 2 (01:01:56):
And it doesn't even sound like he was excessively speeding
in the advisor.

Speaker 12 (01:02:00):
I'm very glad that he's no longer riding a motorbike
like my son. That's a blessing.

Speaker 2 (01:02:05):
Take that one away. Hey, listen very quickly. I just
want to pick your brains about something. You guys, do
you sauna after your cold plunge every morning?

Speaker 12 (01:02:12):
No, intimately I do.

Speaker 2 (01:02:13):
I don't.

Speaker 21 (01:02:14):
I'm a cold girl, not a hot girl. So I'm
the kind of person I look at a spar pool
on a cold winsnight and I go, oh, that'd be nice,
and then I get in five minutes or not in.

Speaker 2 (01:02:23):
Life thing. I know you don't like.

Speaker 21 (01:02:24):
This is not a time of life thing, but thank you,
this is more of a I'm a I like I
like cold, cold water and and being refreshed by cold water.
I don't like to steep in Yeah, yeah situation.

Speaker 2 (01:02:40):
Do you love that because you live in Wellington where
it literally is.

Speaker 12 (01:02:44):
Like you're atless of summer.

Speaker 2 (01:02:46):
Yeah, that's true.

Speaker 22 (01:02:47):
Yeah, you need a sauna, but I think it feels
a real clean heat. I get white people sitting in it. Well,
I wasna well. I was still swimming in the ocean
on the weekend, so I find.

Speaker 2 (01:02:58):
That a very Did you go for a up in
your pool this morning?

Speaker 15 (01:03:01):
I went for a dip in my.

Speaker 21 (01:03:02):
Pull at six thirty this morning, which was a pool.

Speaker 2 (01:03:04):
Trish, you got a pool?

Speaker 21 (01:03:07):
No, I haven't got pool.

Speaker 16 (01:03:09):
I haven't got.

Speaker 3 (01:03:09):
Runner to the either.

Speaker 2 (01:03:11):
Sorry something. Don't you live on a gigantic block of land.

Speaker 21 (01:03:14):
I'm sure here that's going to get into the cold
plungers shortly.

Speaker 2 (01:03:17):
I can speak my hand in the pool because we
had the pool pull and I stuck my hand in
the pool. Got to get the leaves out. Yeah, because
we live in Aukland, Lord, I stuck it in because
I've got summer. Anyway, that was cold. Yeah, we're not
going in that for a while. Are we anyway, Thank
you very much, ladies appreciate it. Trishurs and Joe Sipaghani.
So huddle seven away from six it's the.

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Speaker 2 (01:03:44):
Hither I agree with you, there's no doubt a run
we're trying to develop nukes. However, who gives Israel in
the US the right to start a war against them?
I reckon. The Chinese are watching closely now and what
a fine time for them to take Taiwan. Unfortunately a
precedent has been set way exactly to the point I
was saying at the very start of the program. It
does distract the US to some extent if they get
more involved. But who else is going to stop the
older Iranians developing the nuke if it's not Israel and

(01:04:06):
the US, because the other Israel is the one most
at risk right anyway, we'll talk to Nikolaulas when she's
with us, just get her take on well, why we
haven't taken the same position as the Australians on this. Actually,
now four away from six, I need to talk about
Clark Gayford. So as you know, Clark and Jacinda like
to make a birthday cake every year for the little one,

(01:04:27):
Neve and Clark and then turn it into a social
media thing. Clark did it again this year. This year,
I'm trying to simplify things by making a smash cake.
It was going well into this point and Neve loved it.

Speaker 3 (01:04:43):
Does he like it?

Speaker 14 (01:04:45):
Now?

Speaker 2 (01:04:46):
Okay, you need to go and look at this because
it has blown my mind. I don't understand. I don't
understand this. So it is so elaborate. Okay, he's got
the hot glue gun it I don't understand why the
hot blue gun is out. He's made a stencil of
the jelly cat. He's got chocolate melting. Then he's got

(01:05:06):
these two half bits of plastic that he puts chocolate
in between, and then he like squishes them together and
then lets it set. And that's like a chocolate dome
that he then has to put the chocolate jelly cat
on the front. Now I'm panicking about this because I
don't have time, and I'm thinking, is this what all
children need?

Speaker 9 (01:05:23):
Is this normal?

Speaker 2 (01:05:24):
Can you tell me if this is normal or not?
To go like that elaborate? The Germans says to me,
she's absolutely, what is she baking?

Speaker 14 (01:05:30):
What are you baking.

Speaker 2 (01:05:32):
A chocolate cake with hearts on it? Also that sounds
a lot more manageable. Can the kids not just have
a baked chocolate cake nowadays? Is this is not normal?

Speaker 16 (01:05:39):
As you say?

Speaker 3 (01:05:42):
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News talks that be evening coming up in the next hour.
Shane Solly on how the market's reacted to the bombing,
Stephen Hoadley on what would happened if Irun blocks the
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is oh seven past six rather? Nikola Willis Finance Minster
Hei Nakeler, Hi, Nicola, what's our government's position on the

(01:06:12):
US bombing?

Speaker 4 (01:06:14):
Well, we continue to be a strong supporter of the
international rule based order. At the same time, we've consistently
opposed Iran's nuclear program along with other countries, and we
believe that Iran should never possess a NYUK. And we've
acknowledged the US statement to the UN Security Council that
it was acting in collective self defense consistent with the

(01:06:35):
UN Charter and our position now as we support all
efforts at diplomacy and de escalation, that is good for
the world.

Speaker 2 (01:06:43):
Okay, so we're not doing the same as the Australians are.
They're backing the US bombing. We're not doing that.

Speaker 4 (01:06:49):
Well, I think Penny Wog's made statements today obviously the
basis of her position is similar, and that the Australia
also like New Zealand, has instantly opposed Iran's nuclear program.
They are continuing to call for diplomacy and dialogue. They
too support the real based order. So it's made me

(01:07:09):
quote statement today.

Speaker 2 (01:07:11):
Let me quote Anthony Albanezi for you. He said, the
world has long agreed Iran cannot be allowed to get
a nuclear weapon. We support action to prevent that.

Speaker 14 (01:07:18):
That is what this is.

Speaker 4 (01:07:21):
Well back in or that our Foreign Minister will continue
to make comments in the coming days as the situation developed.

Speaker 2 (01:07:26):
Okay, so we basically we need more evidence yet well, I.

Speaker 4 (01:07:30):
Think our Foreign Minister is continuing to take briefings and
observe the situation. We've made our position on a number
of principled matters very clear and we will continue to
comment in response to events as they unfold.

Speaker 2 (01:07:42):
Do we believe they're trying to make a nuke?

Speaker 4 (01:07:45):
Well, that is certainly what the US have said, and
I cannot give you access to any particular information that
I've received or briefing that I've received on that matter.

Speaker 14 (01:07:57):
So I can simply say that that was the of
the US.

Speaker 2 (01:08:00):
Okay, if we accept that they were probably come on,
I mean, like circumstantially, it looks like they were trying
to make a nuke, right, and they have a good
motivation to try to make it.

Speaker 14 (01:08:08):
They had bunkers under the ground, didn't they, So of the.

Speaker 2 (01:08:10):
Game a little yeah, and as well as that, I mean,
you know, and you could prevent this kind of thing
happening to them, So they have good reason to want
to make a nuke. Now, if they are trying to
make a nuke, what other option did we? Was there
another option rather than just bombing them?

Speaker 4 (01:08:25):
Well, of course, our long standing position has been that
we support diplomatic efforts rather than military efforts, and wherever
that is possible, that's what we are what we support,
and countries will make decisions based on when they think
those diplomatic efforts are no longer working and when threats
are real, and in this case, the US had viewed

(01:08:46):
that there was a real threat and that they needed
to take action and self defense.

Speaker 19 (01:08:50):
Ok.

Speaker 2 (01:08:51):
Hey, so that GDP figure last week was kind of heartening.
Do you think that we're through the worst of this recession?

Speaker 4 (01:08:56):
Well, look, I think we were doing very well in
the first months of the year. For context, we doubled
the growth rate that Treasury had forecast and we were
at zero point eight, whereas Australia was only at zero
point two in the first three months.

Speaker 14 (01:09:10):
Of the year.

Speaker 4 (01:09:11):
So we were doing really well. That domestic recovery was underway.
But I'm acutely conscious that as of April we had
the US tariffs and that provides real headwinds to New
Zealand's growth. And what you've seen since then is a
downgrade in confidence in some other activity measures. So my
message has been actually, the fundamentals here are really good.

(01:09:32):
The recovery has been underway, and the worst thing we
can do now is all tuck up into our corners,
put our heads down and not be confident. Actually, yep,
the world's throwing stuff at us, but this is a
good place to be doing business. And we have every
reason to keep in best.

Speaker 2 (01:09:48):
Is that what you're worried about it you worried about
it like a confidence that you're seeing.

Speaker 4 (01:09:52):
Yes, I always worry that when international events are unfolding
in the way that they are currently, that just creates uncertainty.
Very natural businesses look at that uncertainty and they say, well,
I'm not sure what that means, and then that in
itself feeds into a lack of activity. I can't change
that reality. Businesses will make their own decisions. But my
message is the fundamentals and our economy relative to other

(01:10:16):
economies in the world, are looking good. We've had stable inflation,
interest rates have come down, we've got a pro growth,
government investments coming in, Commodity prices are high. Those factors
continue to be the case. We can't control what the
world throws at us, but we can control what we
do here at home.

Speaker 2 (01:10:32):
Do you worry about stagflation because I see asb is
worried about it.

Speaker 4 (01:10:36):
Well, I do worry about the inflationary pressure that could
occur if there was a spike in oil prices and
the challenges that would create for our economy. And I'm
conscious that, as I said, our economic recovery is only
just underway. But I am confident that the Reserve Bank
still has a lot of room to make decisions in
relation to inflation, and that we've got very sound fiscal

(01:10:59):
and economic manager here. That means that we've got more
buffers than some might around the world.

Speaker 2 (01:11:05):
Yeah, it's kind of happening.

Speaker 23 (01:11:06):
Now.

Speaker 2 (01:11:08):
Have you got yourself across what Actor is trying to
do making it easier for bosses to fire staff earning
one hundred and eighty thousand dollars plus?

Speaker 14 (01:11:15):
Yes, I have.

Speaker 4 (01:11:16):
This is a bill that has been introduced as a
consequence of our coalition agreement with the Act, and essentially
what it proposes is an income threshold of one hundred
and eighty k or more above which you can only
do a personal grievance if it's for discrimination or harassment
or one of those grounds, but you can't lodge a

(01:11:36):
personal grievance for unjustified dismissal. It's a change that has
been reportedly pursued in Australia, where apparently it's been quite
effective at supporting open and frank conversations between what are
highly paid senior employees.

Speaker 2 (01:11:52):
Are you okay with you guys? Going to support this,
are you?

Speaker 4 (01:11:56):
Well, it is obviously supported in that we're introducing the
legislation and that's a cabinet agreement to do that. We will,
of course, as we always do, pay attention to the
select committee process. But the intention here is to support
businesses to be able to move on people who are
standing in the way.

Speaker 23 (01:12:12):
Hold on.

Speaker 2 (01:12:13):
You guys and the ACT Party are the two parties
that are the most about ambition in this country. Get
yourself up, get yourself earning money, be rich, right, it's
about it's about absolutely You guys are about celebrating people's success.
So how come when people start to be successful, we go,
I'll treat you differently. You can get fired more easily.

(01:12:34):
How does that square off for you?

Speaker 14 (01:12:36):
Absolutely? National as a party of aspiration.

Speaker 4 (01:12:39):
Part of that is about allowing employers to give workers
a go in a high impact senior position by five
hourserned No, but without being concerned that if it doesn't
work out, there will be a very costly, very disruptive
Wait give.

Speaker 2 (01:12:56):
The nineteen day trial. What are you talking about?

Speaker 4 (01:12:58):
Well, this is about voting people into high impact positions
and judging their performance. So our view is, yes, we
want to see people reaching these senior roles. We want
to see them performing well in these roles.

Speaker 2 (01:13:10):
Can I put it to you that for a party
that's about ambition, you're going pretty hard, making it hard,
making life a lot harder for people on one eighty
plus than people who aren't. Right, you're taking benefits away
from them, your income test, your means testing at one eighty,
and now you're saying people can get fired. And actually
I would have thought those are the very people who
need to be more sure of their jobs, given that

(01:13:31):
they're probably raising families at that level.

Speaker 4 (01:13:34):
Well, of course, most of those people can be very
confident in their jobs. Actually, what this is about is
them not being able to claim an unjustified dismissal as
a personal grievance.

Speaker 14 (01:13:46):
It is a very very.

Speaker 4 (01:13:47):
Small group of people to whom that applies. If they
are mistreated in their work because of discrimination or harassment,
they still have all legal right to raise a personal grievance.
And at the same time, many of these employees who
are on those high wages are there because they have
high degrees of skill and experience in a highly employable All.

Speaker 2 (01:14:08):
Right, did you get the price that will carpet for us.

Speaker 4 (01:14:12):
No, I did not, But I have read the same
reports that you have that it is a Breamworth manufacturer
who's sealed that deal and it's going to lead to
their factory, including an wang Annoy operation.

Speaker 2 (01:14:27):
No, no, no, don't give me the spin. I hear
your spin. I hear it coming at me.

Speaker 14 (01:14:31):
That's just the truth here.

Speaker 2 (01:14:36):
Are you going just be honest with me? Are you
going to get me the price or not?

Speaker 4 (01:14:40):
I have double checked this, triple jets this and every
statement I have made has been verified, which is the
price for the new contract is no more than they
were paying for nylon.

Speaker 14 (01:14:53):
That's a deal here that.

Speaker 2 (01:14:55):
No, No, you can I want to know the price
per square meter? I don't believe you.

Speaker 14 (01:15:00):
But did you know the price per square meter of
the old contract? And can you?

Speaker 4 (01:15:07):
But you don't know all the terms and conditions of
the contract price. Look, I trust that in this instance.

Speaker 14 (01:15:16):
That they can't.

Speaker 4 (01:15:17):
No, no, no, I'm not providing I'm not providing any evasion.
I have absolutely scrutinized this. I've said, can I make
the claim to all of the listeners to news talks
b you have isn't actually resulting in a higher price
and they've said absolutely. In fact, when you look at
the overall retenders, they are coming in just a little

(01:15:37):
bit cheaper.

Speaker 2 (01:15:38):
Oh nonsense contracts. Do you want it? Do you want
to come?

Speaker 14 (01:15:42):
I can only repeat to you the advice I've received.

Speaker 1 (01:15:44):
No.

Speaker 2 (01:15:44):
But the longer this goes on, the dodgy it looks
you know that.

Speaker 4 (01:15:47):
No, I'm not going to get into the practice of
revealing the commercial terms of private contracts.

Speaker 2 (01:15:52):
I believe, and I'll give you one more chance. I'll
give you one more chance, Nika, I'll ask you.

Speaker 4 (01:15:57):
I'm going to keep giving you the benefit of the
doubt to James that one day you're going to come
around to the idea that a good contract that delivers wholesome, sustainable,
healthy will to New Zealand houses and supports our sheep
industry is just a good thing.

Speaker 14 (01:16:12):
There's no need to pick the eyes out of it.
Thank you, just a happy day, thank you here that.

Speaker 2 (01:16:17):
I appreciate your time as always. Nikola Willis Finance Minister.
A dodgy is howe if they can't give us the number,
We'll ask one more time.

Speaker 1 (01:16:24):
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Speaker 2 (01:16:46):
Hither it's the lineal broad meter, not square meter irmula,
thank you, But the nylon carpet was meeted in the
square meter. Therefore, we need to not complicate the situation
to try to keep it apples for apples. You know,
if we're going to try and get a number here
here that Israel has repeatedly said a run as wex
months weeks away from a nuke for the last twenty
years and yet know nuke if they wanted in nuke,
that have one. That's a fair point to make. So

(01:17:06):
take Israel out of the equation. Just look at what
has been independently verified. Ten years ago, it was like
three percent or thereabouts. Three two years ago, let's say
the IAEA found uranium metal production near eighty four percent enrichment,
and then officially about sixty percent earlier this month. So

(01:17:27):
if you just look at what is being said independently,
it is definitely escalating. Six twenty one. Shane Solly Harbor
Asset Managements with US. Hey Shane, Hello Heather. So how
the capital markets reacted to the bombing.

Speaker 24 (01:17:38):
Well, pretty muted reaction really. To the weekends events, we've
actually seen global shear market index futures. This is where
markets think about what may happen in the future. When
markets opened up in the Northern Hemisphere, actually they gypped
and then their rebounded, So you were shear market market's
telling us longing to me down point two percent, so
pretty cautious response. Specially saw a lot of the Middle

(01:17:59):
Eastern shear markets up over Sunday. US dollars pretty flat,
US bond's pretty flat. Oil spiked up five percent today
and then ended pretty much not up very much at all,
and they're locally. We've seen our dollar down a little
bit against the US door are at fifty nine to
twenty ten year New Zealand government bond rape steady at
four point six percent, New Zealand shar market down just

(01:18:21):
zero point three percent, and the other Ossi shar market
down zero point four percent, so pretty resilient.

Speaker 2 (01:18:26):
Really, what do you think the market's going to do now?

Speaker 24 (01:18:29):
Yeah, it's a tough one. We need to be pretty
careful about drawing too many conclusions about what happened in
the weekends. We're going to see markets remaining chopping, and
it depends a bit on whether these attacks actually stimulate
a widening war, particularly this disruptive retaliations were conflict is
actually quite contained, like Ukraine and to some degree like
we saw in the Iraq War in two thousand and three.

(01:18:51):
The key thing here that is the straits of allme
is getting closed by the Iranians. They've talked about a
lot since nineteen seventy nine when the Islamic Republic came
into voice. They've never done it. There's a bit of
speculation out there that if they closed the straits down
or cutting even back to fifty percent capacity for a
week or two, we'd see Brent will potentially spike up

(01:19:13):
above one hundred dollars use a barrel that compares with
sort of mid seventies at the moment, and then there's
an expectation that OPEC would actually open up the taps.
There's plenty of capacity there. So look, I think you know,
markets do tend to recover from the events unless there's
a clear escalation. We should expect markets to think this
is probably the worst case and maybe we have this

(01:19:34):
higher all price, not too much higher, but a little
bit higher, and a bit of disruption, but really the
market keeps going through it.

Speaker 2 (01:19:40):
Yeah, Shane, listen, thanks for talking us through it. Appreciated
as always. Talked to you next week, Shane Soley, Harbor
Asset Management, six twenty four.

Speaker 3 (01:19:47):
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Speaker 3 (01:19:58):
That'd be Heather.

Speaker 2 (01:20:00):
Iran's leadership has two sworn ideals. One is the elimination
of the Israeli state. Two is the overthrow of the
Saudi monarchy. So no, they can't have nuclear weapons. Well, yeah,
of course they can't have nuclear weapons, thank you, Scott.
So Heather, you need to follow Hamish Blake and unfollow
Clark Gayford if you want to see some elaborate birthday cake.
So this is what Laura of the German was telling me.
She was like, Clark Gayford is the cheap version of

(01:20:21):
Hamish from Australia. Hamish from Australia. What's the other one's name?
In the partnership is Hamish and Andy, and the Hamish
gets hamish. The night has been made a thing where
the night before his child's birthday, he gets he starts
baking like their elaborate cake, and he gets increasingly drunk,
and people come over and visit him, and he tries
to do it before they wake up in the morning,

(01:20:41):
and it's it's just a sha mazzle. So that's kind
of what Clark gave It is leaning into, but it
all just feels like it's panicked me. Heather, Are you
jealous because Clark Gaveford is a better cook than you?

Speaker 15 (01:20:54):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (01:20:54):
Yeah, because I don't want to have to do this stuff. Heather,
You're not a real parent if you don't make a
child a homemade birthday cake for their birthday. Really exclamation,
make the time, get off your social media. I'm not
on social media. I hate it. I saw it because
it was in the news. I saw it on the Herald,
and you're not helping, Heather. For my son's second birthday,

(01:21:16):
I took the day off work to make him a
fantastic Thomas the Tank Engine cake. He didn't go to
his childcare that day, so I had him grizzling and
wine and clinging to my leg while I slapped away
in the kitchen. That was the last time I made
him a birthday cake. He loved the cake, but I
realized he'd have preferred to have had my attention. Oh, sister,
I'm assuming you're a woman, so I can't imagine that
a man would bother with that kind of Well Clark did,
so I made a wrong assumption. You pressure my language.

(01:21:37):
Do you know what I always think? I think the
only thing, the most important thing to your children is
your time, right, So don't give them a cake. If
they want your time, just give them your time and
just get them a little cupcake them. You will one
candle in it or something and be like mummy made
an effort.

Speaker 7 (01:21:51):
Eat it.

Speaker 2 (01:21:52):
Let's have fun. That's the kind of birthday I'm going
to roll with. I know terrible. Hey, I went to
Marlon Williams. I'm going to give you a review.

Speaker 14 (01:21:59):
Shortly be.

Speaker 3 (01:22:03):
Croasing the numbers and getting the results.

Speaker 1 (01:22:05):
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Speaker 3 (01:22:14):
That'd be right.

Speaker 2 (01:22:28):
Gavin Gray is going to be a US out of
the UK shortly how about this. Listen to this absolute legend.
Joe Anne here the rhyme, A mother of four boys.
They're now in their forties. We had the birthday bakebook.
Actually the Germans got that one. She's got that one.
She's going to make the that's where the love heart
and the thing whatever. I don't know whoever, the woman's
leaky to own.

Speaker 25 (01:22:47):
Every house in New Zealand has that.

Speaker 2 (01:22:49):
Yeah, And apparently the train one is the hardest to make,
and if you do that then you are.

Speaker 25 (01:22:53):
Isn't the duck the really hard one as well?

Speaker 2 (01:22:54):
The duck sounds like it would have been quite hard
to Yeah, would have been is people are still making
it anyway. I had the birthday bake book and I
made a few of those cakes over the years, reasonably amateurishly.
Who can blame you, but certainly not every year for
every child, and they didn't care fancy cake. Antics are
to impress other adults. Parenthood should not be an endurance test,

(01:23:17):
and shaming other mums is unforgivable. So you do you,
Joe Anne? Finger snaps for you? Finger snaps for you?

Speaker 1 (01:23:24):
All right?

Speaker 2 (01:23:25):
Twenty three away from seven. Let's get on to the
most important stuff. Of the day after America's attack on
Iran over the weekend. The big question now is whether
Iran will close the Strait of Homos. Now twenty percent
of the words Wild's oil is shipped through this narrow strait.
It runs between the coasts of Iran and Orman. Stephen
Hoadley is a retired professor of international relations and with
us right now, Hey, Stephen, good evening, Heather, Stephen, thank

(01:23:47):
you for joining us. This is not going to happen,
is it now?

Speaker 6 (01:23:51):
Well, it may happen. It's sole option, and even just
the threat of closing it would be enough to send
insurance rates higher to prevent other ships from entering. Apparently,
the number of ships in the Gulf has declined from
seven hundred and fifty to seven hundred and continuing to fall.
That is a lot of ships. A lot of companies

(01:24:12):
are simply not putting their ships into danger because they
anticipate the possibility of the closure of the strait.

Speaker 2 (01:24:20):
How would they actually close it.

Speaker 6 (01:24:23):
With military action? They put mines in the water. The
channels are only six kilometers wide, three kilometers one way
and three kilometers coming the other way. They've got fast
patrol boats armed with rough propelled grenades, they've got short
range artillery, they've short range missiles. There a variety of

(01:24:46):
things that could harass. Remember, an oil tanker is very vulnerable.
They're not armored, they're not armed. They could not withstand
even a small piece of artillery and they might burst
into flames. So those ships, skippers are going to stand back,
they're going to anchor out, they're going to stay away
from harm's way. That will be enough to send up

(01:25:08):
the price of oil.

Speaker 2 (01:25:11):
I see that Marca Rubio has gone on Fox today
and called on China to intervene here and have a
chat to Iran and stop this from happening. Would that work?
Do you suspict that?

Speaker 6 (01:25:19):
Are well, China's oil does come out of the Strait
from Iran, it's smuggled. Iran is under strict sanction from
the West, but of course they ignore those sanctions. China
does too, and gets oil from Russia in the same way.
But yeah, it would be interesting to strange bedfellows, the

(01:25:41):
United States and China ganging up on Iran to say,
don't close the straits or moose the Chinese. I think
do have a strong point. I think they may prevail
and it could be that the Iranians will be very
selective in their targeting. If they do, in fact target
any ships, they can identify them one by one. They

(01:26:02):
can target them if they're related to the United States
or to Israel, and let the Chinese ships get a
free pass through the Straits.

Speaker 2 (01:26:10):
Stephen, You've been doing this for a very long time,
so I want you to take on it. Did the
Americans make a mistake bombing those sites?

Speaker 6 (01:26:17):
Well, look, we're divided, the Prime minister is divided, the
Foreign Minister is divided. Everyone is trying to be very
kind to Donald Trump. We don't want nuclear weapons, so
we approve in that respect. We don't want to invade
other people's countries, so we disapproved in that respect. I
think the world, I think New Zealanders are pretty divided
on the whole question. So it's not an easy call.

(01:26:41):
If it turns to custard the way the Iraq invasion
did in two thousand and three and the Afghan invasion did,
we will look back and say it was a terrible mistake. If, however,
there is a regime change and the government, like Syrian
government next door, suddenly becomes pro West and moderate, we'll
say well, it wasn't a mistake. It was Jarbie good

(01:27:04):
to put down the Iranians and relieve this dark shadow
that's laughed it over the Middle East since nineteen seventy nine.
And you know, give Israel a break.

Speaker 2 (01:27:17):
Stephen, thank you very much for your take on everything.
I really appreciate your expertise that Stephen Hoadley, retired professor.

Speaker 3 (01:27:22):
Ever do for see Allen by the way, I think.

Speaker 2 (01:27:25):
You might find this fascinating, just how the thing played out.
So it started with a ruse, right, they sent eight
planes over the Pacific, and everybody's watching those eight planes.
But what people didn't realize because they were focusing on
those eight planes, is that another seven B twos took
off in the opposite direction. They were flying east, no
communications with each other or with the ground. They crossed America,

(01:27:45):
They crossed the Atlantic, no one noticed. They flew all day,
they flew into Saturday night. They refueled mid air. Along
the way. There were tankers being deployed to Europe over
the previous week. They refulled them. You know, I mean,
how you do that is just quite remarkable, isn't it. Anyway,
Then about midday midnight local time, in the Middle East
on Saturday. They got there. They were then joined by

(01:28:07):
an escort of US fighter jets surveillance reconnaissance planes. There
were one hundred and twenty five aircraft in all at
this stage. Kept on flying east, hardly exchanged a word
with each other at all. They struck the three sites
between two ten in the morning and two thirty five
that's the rainy in time, turned around, headed back the
same way they came. They were out of the place
by three am. That's how it all. We were watching
the wrong planes if we were watching the planes now

(01:28:30):
went to Marlon Williams on Saturday night. Frankly, honestly, I
mean you know what it's like if you've had little kids,
Like I was sitting there going what am I doing?
I am exhausted, But here I am at Marlon Williams
and nine point thirty when I normally go to Sleepers
when the concerts starting, So I fueled myself with a
couple of bells Beers. Hey was wonderful. I have absolutely
no regrets. And look, I don't want to be one

(01:28:51):
of those people.

Speaker 3 (01:28:52):
You know that.

Speaker 2 (01:28:53):
That's how that. But if you get the chance to
see Marlon Williams take it. If he's doing a show
near you somewhere, go and see him. You will not
regret it. I think he may be. I mean, he
is certainly one of the best musicians of his generation
in this country, if not the best. I mean it's
a hard that's a hard thing to make a call one,

(01:29:13):
but he'd be amongst he'd be right up there in
the top of them personally. So what he was touring
is an album called Teffarrere Ti Weekaweka, which is because
he's inn a pue no hold on. He's Naitahu from
christ Church, and so he's trying to learn the language.
He's it's quite a feat to put an album out
in the language you're not fluent, and but he managed
to do it. Now, that is what he's touring, so

(01:29:36):
he had the kapahaka and stuff like that. I don't
think it's the best album that he's put out because
I just think it's a lot to get over right,
it's not your first language. He's so wonderful in English,
and and I think the obsessing over the language kind
of detracted a little bit from his actual musical ability.
So if you know you're not going to get the
best Marlon Williams experience. But there are times where he

(01:29:56):
is it's just him and his guitar or just him
and his origin ban the Yarrawbenders, and that is when
he is just outstanding that he is better by himself,
kind of stripped back than he is with a whole
bunch of people singing with him. However, it was kind
of a nice experience as well, and you're not gonna
you know, you're probably not gonna get that a lot,
so you may as well take it when you can. Anyway,

(01:30:17):
like I say, if you have the opportunity to see
Marlin Williams, please do not miss out on it because
you will not regret it. What an absolute legion that
boy is sixteen away from seven.

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Speaker 3 (01:30:40):
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Speaker 2 (01:30:42):
All I can think about is where are the bathrooms
on those bombers? I know, I know that's so long.
I think that's where we bags. That's what you probably
uplock that one real tight afterwards, Hey, by the way,
Air India, the guy running here India is a key
we he has been accused of plagiarism, ripping off somebody
else's apology video will get to that apology statement. Rather,
we'll get to that. And just to take right now,

(01:31:03):
thirteen away from seven and Gavin Gray are UK correspondents
with US A Kevin Hi. So the spending on defense
is going to go up by quite a burs isn't it.

Speaker 9 (01:31:12):
Well, that's what has apparently been agreed. This is not
being confirmed, but this is diplomatic sources talking to Sky
News are saying that UK and NATO allies have agreed
to increase spending on defense and related areas to five
percent of GDP. Now that is a massive, massive increase.
The current goal of two percent of GDP is as
much about keeping the US president, I think, on side

(01:31:36):
as it is frankly about talking about what the allies
need in the growing threat from Russia and the challenge
post by China. Now it's thought that this new target
will be rubber stamped probably Tuesday or Wednesday later on
this week, so all rushing through. Really it's an ambitious
spending goal and secure following a big big campaign by

(01:31:59):
the NATO Secretary General Mark Rutter, And it looks like
it's sort of roughly broken down into three and a
half percent of GDP spent on pure defense, one and
a half percent of GDP spent on related areas that
can include cybersecurity, big infrastructure, that sort of thing. Apparently
everyone had agreed except Spain. Spain was the last to agree.

(01:32:21):
But as I said, this is all unconfirmed at the moment.
We're waiting for some kind of announcement and five percent
spending will certainly please Donald Trump.

Speaker 2 (01:32:30):
I see you guys like us are sending a plane
over to get people out of the Middle East, But
how's the plane going to.

Speaker 8 (01:32:35):
Get to them?

Speaker 9 (01:32:37):
Yeah, it looks like they're liaising with the Israeli government
over opening the airport for a specific few hours and
then trying to evacuate people in that time. So Britain's
are being asked to register in the flight via online
forms and they've been told not to travel to the
airport unless told to do so. And this is all

(01:32:59):
effectively about trying to get out those that want to
leave Israel. There will be plenty I suspect who don't
want to leave, but there will be also others who do,
and we are slightly behind the curve. Heather Austria's Foreign
Ministry set around one hundred and twenty people, including citizens
and partner countries, have been evacuated from Iran and Israel,
with Israel temporarily reopening the airspace for six hours yesterday

(01:33:23):
in a scheme to repatriate citizens stranded under its Operation
Safe Return scheme. This is all for Tel Aviv at
the moment. The Chinese ambassador thought to be doing something else.
Around four hundred Chinese citizens evacuated at the weekend, including students,
and so I'm afraid that Europe's sort of seeming to

(01:33:43):
leave it a bit late. But that's what we're looking
at here, and of course New Zealand the same, and
trying to get that agreement from the Israeli government on
a timing to land those planes and get people out.

Speaker 2 (01:33:54):
Are we all moving to space then, are we?

Speaker 6 (01:33:57):
Well?

Speaker 9 (01:33:58):
It seems a little unlikely, but this is the latest
from the European Space Agency of the EESA. They are
saying that by twenty forty they fully expect that humans
could be living in quote self sustaining space oases. What
do they mean, well, they believe that actually expanding into space,

(01:34:19):
according to this report quote is not a luxury but
a necessity. Space is no longer a frontier, it's a
territory and it unlocks unknown reserves. And I think it's
that unknown reserves which are what Europe getting so excited
about here. So what they're saying is no longer will
the buildings in space be limited by what you can
put in a rocket. Instead, they believe, and I had

(01:34:41):
to reread this, that communities will be capable of being
crafted by three D printers and then assembled in space.
It all sounds a bit far fetched to me, particularly
when you consider we are only talking fifteen years ago,
but they are now calling on European leaders to get
behind this drive and to get PEP blend the space soon.

Speaker 2 (01:35:02):
Gavin probably wouldn't be you know, a lot of people
will look at the situation right now in the Middle
East and think maybe space is not that bad. So
thank you for that. I appreciate it. Gavin, UK, correspondent,
Nine away from seven.

Speaker 1 (01:35:14):
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Speaker 2 (01:35:22):
Heather, you need to Google toilets on the bombers. They
cost more than your average house. They are so high tech. Alis,
thank you. I will do that later six away from seven. Now,
the boss of India or Air India sorry, is a
chap called Campbell Wilson, who's a KIWI. He's unfortunately attracting
headlines at the moment for a bit of plagiarism, because
it turns out when he spoke about the Air India
crash which happened, you know, recently, he appears that he

(01:35:45):
may have ripped off the speech notes from the American
Airlines boss who had dealt with a similar instance earlier
this year. So this is Campbell.

Speaker 23 (01:35:55):
I want to brief you on a serious incident that
involved an Air India aircraft a short while ago.

Speaker 26 (01:36:00):
This is the other guy brief you on a serious
accident that occurred involving an American Eagle aircraft.

Speaker 23 (01:36:05):
This is Campbell first and most importantly, I would like
to express our deep sorrow about this event.

Speaker 2 (01:36:12):
This is the other guy.

Speaker 26 (01:36:13):
First and most importantly, I'd like to express our deep
sorrow about these events.

Speaker 2 (01:36:17):
If you're like, ah, come on, of course he's going
to just stock standard things. You have to say here's
the bit.

Speaker 23 (01:36:23):
This is a difficult day for all of us at
Air India, and if it's now focused entirely on the
needs of our passengers, crew members, their families and loved ones.
I know that there are many questions and at this
stage I will not be able to answer all of them.

Speaker 2 (01:36:41):
Here's the other guy.

Speaker 26 (01:36:42):
This is a difficult day for all of us at
American Airlines, and our efforts now are focused entirely on
the needs of our passengers, crew members, partners, first responders,
along with their families and loved ones. I know that
there are many questions and at this early stage I'll
not be able to answer all of them.

Speaker 2 (01:37:03):
Obviously, I mean like it feels like what obviously happened
is that the media communications person went, don't worry, I
will write you a speech. Chat GPT, can you please
write an apology speech for the boss of an airline company,
an airline after the airplane went down, and chat GPT
went sure, hang on a tech whoop, Yeah we had

(01:37:24):
one recently. Here's your speech. A that's what feels like happened.

Speaker 25 (01:37:29):
And hammer by Lord to play us out tonight. This
is the latest one she has put out. That's going
to be on the new album Virgin, So I think
we've had we've had three or four tracks out now
and there's only gonna be eleven on the album, so
we may get the whole album released before it actually
drops with there you go?

Speaker 2 (01:37:43):
Has she done it like one of those pop up
things for this, not that I was invited to. Certainly
he know, Okay, maybe maybe that idea is run out
of steam. Have you checked on our colleagues? H No,
I haven't because he was here. Where did he prepare
himself mentally for this? Is the hyperventilize?

Speaker 25 (01:37:59):
I mean it was hard on getting him away from
the Y m c A toilets already, and so yeah,
she suggested she was going to do another one there
then yeah, who knows?

Speaker 2 (01:38:06):
Okay, thank you for this and appreciate it. Enjoy your evening.
We'll be back with you tomorrow. New Stalks be.

Speaker 3 (01:39:02):
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Speaker 1 (01:39:04):
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