June 23, 2025 • 10 mins
Tonight on The Huddle, Trish Sherson from Sherson Willis PR and Josie Pagani from Child Fund joined in on a discussion about the following issues of the day - and more!
Should the US have intervened in Iran? Where could this go from here?
How do we feel about All Black Caleb Clarke being discharged without conviction - despite fleeing police in a high speed chase?
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
The Huddle with New Zealand Southeby's International Realty Find You're
one of a guy twenty six.
Speaker 2 (00:05):
Nichola Willis is with us after sex. Right now on
the huddle, We've got Tris Sherson from Sherson Willis pr
and Joseph Garni of Child Friend.
Speaker 3 (00:11):
Hello you too, Hello Hello.
Speaker 2 (00:13):
Do you think Trish that the U. S should have
bombed those Iranian nuclear sites?
Speaker 3 (00:18):
I don't.
Speaker 4 (00:20):
And here's why. Number One, I don't trust the strategy
or the intent of the Trump administration. I don't trust
any of the facts that they're going to put out
around this. And in my view, what we know about
Trump is he's got a hero complex. So this is
the guy who said I'm going to fix the Ukraine
(00:40):
war within what was it a week or twenty four
hours after becoming president. To me, this reeks of another
one of his sort of flood the zone tactics. I'm
not doing what I said I'd do over here. He's
a president who said there would be the US would
not enter any more wars and hey, ho off off
he goes.
Speaker 2 (00:59):
And do you leave it though? Do you leave them
just sitting there enriching that uranium. Do you just accept
that they want a new then they will have a new.
Speaker 4 (01:06):
Well, I just I don't believe that they had reached
probably the threshold here. And in my view, as we
know that Israel were they have been itching to do something.
And as I say, this is more about me not
trusting the Trump administration to have done the work, to
have gone and at.
Speaker 2 (01:25):
This point, Okay, what do you thinking.
Speaker 3 (01:27):
Yeah, I mean, don't forget.
Speaker 5 (01:28):
We had an agreement, the Joint Program for Action or
whatever it was called, that Obama negotiated with Iran for
them not to develop a nuclear weapon, and that was
actually going quite well. That the signs were and the
inspectors were seeing that the levels of ukrainium had gone down. Now,
you know, now Trump basically wrapped the whole thing up,
(01:50):
and that's partly why we're in this situation now. So
the problem is, you know, it's a big gamble, worst
case scenario Iran retali I mean they're talking about, you know,
blockading the Strait, stopping ships get through. There's hundreds of
thousands of US troops in the region. They could start
targeting those US troops, targeting embassies. They've still got some proxies.
(02:13):
So hamas Hesbala, yep, you know, collapsed and greatly weakened,
but they've still got the Hoho. Theis they've still got
you know, others in other areas, so you know, you
could unleash a sort of terror.
Speaker 3 (02:26):
So it's a huge.
Speaker 5 (02:27):
Gamble that Trump has taken. The US is taken, and
we know from history right here building a nuke, Oh,
I'm sure they were.
Speaker 3 (02:35):
Look, these are bad guys.
Speaker 2 (02:37):
Right, They're really bad. Do you do you believe they
were building a nutrient?
Speaker 3 (02:41):
Yes? I do, I do.
Speaker 5 (02:42):
There's no doubt that they have developing before you finish that.
The other thing to bear in mind, it's not just
the impact of will this escalate into Third World War?
And you look at the nineteen thirty eight we had
lots of unrelated centers of war Italy, Spain, Abyssinia, and
suddenly it all became World War Two. We've got the
similar situation here, lots of theaters of war Ukraine. But
(03:06):
the point is you know that they they if if Trump,
you know, if they do retaliate, it'll be awful. But
the other thing is that they by doing this, Trump
has shown that, you know, it's clearly illegal, it's not
self defense. The point about self defense is that has to.
Speaker 2 (03:22):
Be okay, okay, but hang on a tack. So let's
accept we all three except that we believe that Aroun
was building a nuke? Right, So at what point? What
do you do, Trish to stop them getting to that point?
Speaker 4 (03:36):
Well, this was a part of what was supposed to
be an ongoing negotiation to get what do you do.
Speaker 2 (03:42):
It's now twenty twenty five or halfway through the year.
Trump's the preuce.
Speaker 5 (03:45):
You signed the Joint Comprehensive Plan of Action.
Speaker 2 (03:47):
Well, that's Trump. It did seven it did stop them, Heather,
but never mind what happened. What do you do now?
Speaker 5 (03:53):
So now I think you you go back to the
negotiating table. I think the Millers and I many are
in a very weak position.
Speaker 3 (04:02):
Is right now, I'm talking right now.
Speaker 2 (04:04):
All the bombs right. What I'm trying to establish is
I can't see that there was another option, and I'm
happy to be told there was, but I can't see
that there was another option. Now, if you accept that
there's no other option, they are building a nuke. There's
no other option. You've got to bomb those sites. Then,
is now not the best time to bomb those sites,
because you've got you've got Hamas totally down, You've got
those other chaps has bollered down, you've got Rush.
Speaker 5 (04:26):
Strategically yes, militarily yes, yes, but whether or not that's
the best thing to do to stop an escalation of
war in the Middle East and it but okay, I
accept that. I not scept that, But how negotiate and
how else do you stop that comprehensive plan of actions?
You try because they're weak, right, and they want to
see those sanctions lifted from the US. And I actually
(04:46):
think you're in a really strong position.
Speaker 2 (04:47):
Okay, do you don't forget you talk first before the bombs.
Speaker 4 (04:50):
Yeah, and don't forget. Iran has always looked to negotiate,
So this, despite this being a shocking regime, Yes, they
have always worked to negotiate. And the issue I have here,
it's highlighted again by Trump today, who's saying, you know, oh,
you know, now this is about getting a regime change. Well,
that that is not the purpose of going in and
(05:14):
bombing these sites, and so that that is the problem
that we've got as the world now is not being
able to trust the foundation for this, the information for
this or or really what we have no idea now
what might happen.
Speaker 5 (05:28):
And hopefully what we hope for is it's a bit
like when General Slamna was assassinated, and that was under
the last Trump administration, where there was a sort of
token we all thought, oh God, this is going to
escalate into Third World War. Then there was a token
tit for tat, and I hope that's what will happen now.
There'll be some token tip for tat, some you know,
(05:49):
Iran will react in some way. It'll be enough to
say we all go back to the drawing board and
for God's sake, Trump.
Speaker 3 (05:55):
Has to shut up about regime change.
Speaker 2 (05:58):
Take a break and come back to you, guys.
Speaker 1 (06:02):
The huddle with New Zealand Southeby's International Realty achieve extraordinary
results with unparallel reach.
Speaker 2 (06:08):
Are you back with the heart altricious? And Joseph Beganni right, Josie,
So what do you think of Caleb Clark getting the
discharge without conviction?
Speaker 5 (06:14):
Well, I feel like it's his first offense. I mean,
it's just a police chop aright, that's I didn't know
that detail.
Speaker 3 (06:22):
Heaven. When I heard you say that, I was thinking.
Speaker 5 (06:24):
All the police chopper was out. But I do think
if you you know, this is whole thing. Oh you're
an all black, you're getting special treatments, but also as
an all black, you shouldn't get worse treatment, right, Both
of those things are true, and I look at that
just remove the fact that.
Speaker 3 (06:36):
He's an all black.
Speaker 5 (06:37):
He's clearly hugely remorseful, his family normal.
Speaker 4 (06:42):
No, to me, it's the it's the running from the cops.
We've all done dumb stuff and broke We've all run
with the cops. Well no, no, no, no, no, we've
all broken the speed limit.
Speaker 3 (06:52):
But it's the girlfriend.
Speaker 4 (06:54):
But it's the decision to run from the cops that
elevates this. And the big issue here is not the
individual that decides to run. But we all know the
number of times that police chasers have ended in other
people getting seriously injured and harmed.
Speaker 5 (07:11):
It's a really realizes that, Trish. From what I've seen
of the interviews afterwards, he cried and caught. He's gone
through the ringer a side.
Speaker 2 (07:20):
Josie, I am not trying to pick on Caleb. No,
I'm not asking for Caleb to get a really tough punishment.
I just think it is mental that in this country,
if you run from the cops to this extent with
the chopper in the air, we get first offense to
charge with that conviction, and that should not be normal, shouldn't.
Speaker 5 (07:37):
No, I think I understand what you're saying this and
is there a it would be interesting to look at
other cases that might be similar. I mean, I hope
not too many cases similar with the chopper out, but
and whether or not they also got sort of first
first offender you know, got that off Yeah, And I think.
Speaker 4 (07:53):
It's it's it's the question of whether this is normal.
We don't know whether it is. But the worrying thing
I think for the court system is that there are
questions around whether or not there's consistency and whether or
not serious first time offenses are getting just discharges without conviction.
(08:13):
I think that's the thing because people start to lose faith.
Speaker 5 (08:16):
Why was he running from the cops?
Speaker 1 (08:19):
I don't know.
Speaker 5 (08:20):
See, that's the question I have.
Speaker 2 (08:22):
Well, I mean, he did.
Speaker 3 (08:22):
It didn't sound like he was boozed day.
Speaker 2 (08:24):
He wasn't boozed.
Speaker 3 (08:25):
No, No, he definitely wasn't.
Speaker 2 (08:26):
And it doesn't even sound like he was excessively speeding
in the ap advisors.
Speaker 5 (08:30):
Mum, I'm very glad that he's no longer riding a
motorbike like my son. That's blessing.
Speaker 3 (08:35):
Take that one away.
Speaker 2 (08:36):
Hey, listen very quickly. I just want to pick your
brains about something you guys, Trisha, do you sauna after
your cold plunge every morning?
Speaker 3 (08:42):
No, intimately I do.
Speaker 4 (08:44):
I don't. I'm a cold girl, not a hot girl.
So I'm the kind of person I look at a
spar pole on a cold wednesdaight and I go, oh,
that'd be nice, and then I get him five minutes
or not in five thirty.
Speaker 3 (08:52):
Seconds of life thing. I know you don't like this.
Speaker 4 (08:56):
This is not a time of life thing, but thank you.
This is more more of am I like. I like cold,
cold water and and being refreshed by cold water. I
don't like to steep in heat.
Speaker 3 (09:09):
Yeah, yeah, situation saunas?
Speaker 1 (09:10):
Do you?
Speaker 2 (09:11):
I love that because you live in Wellington where it
literally is like your summer.
Speaker 3 (09:16):
Yeah that's true.
Speaker 5 (09:17):
Yeah you need a sauna, but no, I think it
feels a real clean heat. I get white people in
a sitting in it. Well I was I was stauner. Yeah,
well I was still swimming in the ocean on the weekend,
so I find.
Speaker 2 (09:29):
That very Did you go for a dip in your
pool this morning?
Speaker 4 (09:31):
I went for a dip in my pool at six
thirty this morning, which was you got.
Speaker 5 (09:35):
A pool, Trish, you got a pool?
Speaker 3 (09:38):
No, I haven't got pool. I haven't got either. I'm
so sorry I have something.
Speaker 2 (09:43):
Don't You live on a gigantic block of land.
Speaker 4 (09:45):
I'm sure here that's going to get into the cold
plunges shortly.
Speaker 2 (09:47):
I can speak my hand in the pool because we
had the pool pull and I stuck my hand in
the pool to get the leaves out. Yeah, because we
live in Aukland. Lord, I stuck it in because I've
got summer. Anyway, that was cold.
Speaker 3 (09:57):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (09:58):
We're not going in that for a while, are we
any all? Thank you very much, ladies appreciate it, Trishas
and Joe Supperghani. So huddle seven away from.
Speaker 1 (10:04):
Six for more from Hither Duplessy Allen Drive. Listen live
to news talks. It'd be from four pm weekdays, or
follow the podcast on iHeartRadio.
The Huddle with New Zealand Southeby's International Realty Find You're
one of a guy twenty six.
Speaker 2 (00:05):
Nichola Willis is with us after sex. Right now on
the huddle, We've got Tris Sherson from Sherson Willis pr
and Joseph Garni of Child Friend.
Speaker 3 (00:11):
Hello you too, Hello Hello.
Speaker 2 (00:13):
Do you think Trish that the U. S should have
bombed those Iranian nuclear sites?
Speaker 3 (00:18):
I don't.
Speaker 4 (00:20):
And here's why. Number One, I don't trust the strategy
or the intent of the Trump administration. I don't trust
any of the facts that they're going to put out
around this. And in my view, what we know about
Trump is he's got a hero complex. So this is
the guy who said I'm going to fix the Ukraine
(00:40):
war within what was it a week or twenty four
hours after becoming president. To me, this reeks of another
one of his sort of flood the zone tactics. I'm
not doing what I said I'd do over here. He's
a president who said there would be the US would
not enter any more wars and hey, ho off off
he goes.
Speaker 2 (00:59):
And do you leave it though? Do you leave them
just sitting there enriching that uranium. Do you just accept
that they want a new then they will have a new.
Speaker 4 (01:06):
Well, I just I don't believe that they had reached
probably the threshold here. And in my view, as we
know that Israel were they have been itching to do something.
And as I say, this is more about me not
trusting the Trump administration to have done the work, to
have gone and at.
Speaker 2 (01:25):
This point, Okay, what do you thinking.
Speaker 3 (01:27):
Yeah, I mean, don't forget.
Speaker 5 (01:28):
We had an agreement, the Joint Program for Action or
whatever it was called, that Obama negotiated with Iran for
them not to develop a nuclear weapon, and that was
actually going quite well. That the signs were and the
inspectors were seeing that the levels of ukrainium had gone down. Now,
you know, now Trump basically wrapped the whole thing up,
(01:50):
and that's partly why we're in this situation now. So
the problem is, you know, it's a big gamble, worst
case scenario Iran retali I mean they're talking about, you know,
blockading the Strait, stopping ships get through. There's hundreds of
thousands of US troops in the region. They could start
targeting those US troops, targeting embassies. They've still got some proxies.
(02:13):
So hamas Hesbala, yep, you know, collapsed and greatly weakened,
but they've still got the Hoho. Theis they've still got
you know, others in other areas, so you know, you
could unleash a sort of terror.
Speaker 3 (02:26):
So it's a huge.
Speaker 5 (02:27):
Gamble that Trump has taken. The US is taken, and
we know from history right here building a nuke, Oh,
I'm sure they were.
Speaker 3 (02:35):
Look, these are bad guys.
Speaker 2 (02:37):
Right, They're really bad. Do you do you believe they
were building a nutrient?
Speaker 3 (02:41):
Yes? I do, I do.
Speaker 5 (02:42):
There's no doubt that they have developing before you finish that.
The other thing to bear in mind, it's not just
the impact of will this escalate into Third World War?
And you look at the nineteen thirty eight we had
lots of unrelated centers of war Italy, Spain, Abyssinia, and
suddenly it all became World War Two. We've got the
similar situation here, lots of theaters of war Ukraine. But
(03:06):
the point is you know that they they if if Trump,
you know, if they do retaliate, it'll be awful. But
the other thing is that they by doing this, Trump
has shown that, you know, it's clearly illegal, it's not
self defense. The point about self defense is that has to.
Speaker 2 (03:22):
Be okay, okay, but hang on a tack. So let's
accept we all three except that we believe that Aroun
was building a nuke? Right, So at what point? What
do you do, Trish to stop them getting to that point?
Speaker 4 (03:36):
Well, this was a part of what was supposed to
be an ongoing negotiation to get what do you do.
Speaker 2 (03:42):
It's now twenty twenty five or halfway through the year.
Trump's the preuce.
Speaker 5 (03:45):
You signed the Joint Comprehensive Plan of Action.
Speaker 2 (03:47):
Well, that's Trump. It did seven it did stop them, Heather,
but never mind what happened. What do you do now?
Speaker 5 (03:53):
So now I think you you go back to the
negotiating table. I think the Millers and I many are
in a very weak position.
Speaker 3 (04:02):
Is right now, I'm talking right now.
Speaker 2 (04:04):
All the bombs right. What I'm trying to establish is
I can't see that there was another option, and I'm
happy to be told there was, but I can't see
that there was another option. Now, if you accept that
there's no other option, they are building a nuke. There's
no other option. You've got to bomb those sites. Then,
is now not the best time to bomb those sites,
because you've got you've got Hamas totally down, You've got
those other chaps has bollered down, you've got Rush.
Speaker 5 (04:26):
Strategically yes, militarily yes, yes, but whether or not that's
the best thing to do to stop an escalation of
war in the Middle East and it but okay, I
accept that. I not scept that, But how negotiate and
how else do you stop that comprehensive plan of actions?
You try because they're weak, right, and they want to
see those sanctions lifted from the US. And I actually
(04:46):
think you're in a really strong position.
Speaker 2 (04:47):
Okay, do you don't forget you talk first before the bombs.
Speaker 4 (04:50):
Yeah, and don't forget. Iran has always looked to negotiate,
So this, despite this being a shocking regime, Yes, they
have always worked to negotiate. And the issue I have here,
it's highlighted again by Trump today, who's saying, you know, oh,
you know, now this is about getting a regime change. Well,
that that is not the purpose of going in and
(05:14):
bombing these sites, and so that that is the problem
that we've got as the world now is not being
able to trust the foundation for this, the information for
this or or really what we have no idea now
what might happen.
Speaker 5 (05:28):
And hopefully what we hope for is it's a bit
like when General Slamna was assassinated, and that was under
the last Trump administration, where there was a sort of
token we all thought, oh God, this is going to
escalate into Third World War. Then there was a token
tit for tat, and I hope that's what will happen now.
There'll be some token tip for tat, some you know,
(05:49):
Iran will react in some way. It'll be enough to
say we all go back to the drawing board and
for God's sake, Trump.
Speaker 3 (05:55):
Has to shut up about regime change.
Speaker 2 (05:58):
Take a break and come back to you, guys.
Speaker 1 (06:02):
The huddle with New Zealand Southeby's International Realty achieve extraordinary
results with unparallel reach.
Speaker 2 (06:08):
Are you back with the heart altricious? And Joseph Beganni right, Josie,
So what do you think of Caleb Clark getting the
discharge without conviction?
Speaker 5 (06:14):
Well, I feel like it's his first offense. I mean,
it's just a police chop aright, that's I didn't know
that detail.
Speaker 3 (06:22):
Heaven. When I heard you say that, I was thinking.
Speaker 5 (06:24):
All the police chopper was out. But I do think
if you you know, this is whole thing. Oh you're
an all black, you're getting special treatments, but also as
an all black, you shouldn't get worse treatment, right, Both
of those things are true, and I look at that
just remove the fact that.
Speaker 3 (06:36):
He's an all black.
Speaker 5 (06:37):
He's clearly hugely remorseful, his family normal.
Speaker 4 (06:42):
No, to me, it's the it's the running from the cops.
We've all done dumb stuff and broke We've all run
with the cops. Well no, no, no, no, no, we've
all broken the speed limit.
Speaker 3 (06:52):
But it's the girlfriend.
Speaker 4 (06:54):
But it's the decision to run from the cops that
elevates this. And the big issue here is not the
individual that decides to run. But we all know the
number of times that police chasers have ended in other
people getting seriously injured and harmed.
Speaker 5 (07:11):
It's a really realizes that, Trish. From what I've seen
of the interviews afterwards, he cried and caught. He's gone
through the ringer a side.
Speaker 2 (07:20):
Josie, I am not trying to pick on Caleb. No,
I'm not asking for Caleb to get a really tough punishment.
I just think it is mental that in this country,
if you run from the cops to this extent with
the chopper in the air, we get first offense to
charge with that conviction, and that should not be normal, shouldn't.
Speaker 5 (07:37):
No, I think I understand what you're saying this and
is there a it would be interesting to look at
other cases that might be similar. I mean, I hope
not too many cases similar with the chopper out, but
and whether or not they also got sort of first
first offender you know, got that off Yeah, And I think.
Speaker 4 (07:53):
It's it's it's the question of whether this is normal.
We don't know whether it is. But the worrying thing
I think for the court system is that there are
questions around whether or not there's consistency and whether or
not serious first time offenses are getting just discharges without conviction.
(08:13):
I think that's the thing because people start to lose faith.
Speaker 5 (08:16):
Why was he running from the cops?
Speaker 1 (08:19):
I don't know.
Speaker 5 (08:20):
See, that's the question I have.
Speaker 2 (08:22):
Well, I mean, he did.
Speaker 3 (08:22):
It didn't sound like he was boozed day.
Speaker 2 (08:24):
He wasn't boozed.
Speaker 3 (08:25):
No, No, he definitely wasn't.
Speaker 2 (08:26):
And it doesn't even sound like he was excessively speeding
in the ap advisors.
Speaker 5 (08:30):
Mum, I'm very glad that he's no longer riding a
motorbike like my son. That's blessing.
Speaker 3 (08:35):
Take that one away.
Speaker 2 (08:36):
Hey, listen very quickly. I just want to pick your
brains about something you guys, Trisha, do you sauna after
your cold plunge every morning?
Speaker 3 (08:42):
No, intimately I do.
Speaker 4 (08:44):
I don't. I'm a cold girl, not a hot girl.
So I'm the kind of person I look at a
spar pole on a cold wednesdaight and I go, oh,
that'd be nice, and then I get him five minutes
or not in five thirty.
Speaker 3 (08:52):
Seconds of life thing. I know you don't like this.
Speaker 4 (08:56):
This is not a time of life thing, but thank you.
This is more more of am I like. I like cold,
cold water and and being refreshed by cold water. I
don't like to steep in heat.
Speaker 3 (09:09):
Yeah, yeah, situation saunas?
Speaker 1 (09:10):
Do you?
Speaker 2 (09:11):
I love that because you live in Wellington where it
literally is like your summer.
Speaker 3 (09:16):
Yeah that's true.
Speaker 5 (09:17):
Yeah you need a sauna, but no, I think it
feels a real clean heat. I get white people in
a sitting in it. Well I was I was stauner. Yeah,
well I was still swimming in the ocean on the weekend,
so I find.
Speaker 2 (09:29):
That very Did you go for a dip in your
pool this morning?
Speaker 4 (09:31):
I went for a dip in my pool at six
thirty this morning, which was you got.
Speaker 5 (09:35):
A pool, Trish, you got a pool?
Speaker 3 (09:38):
No, I haven't got pool. I haven't got either. I'm
so sorry I have something.
Speaker 2 (09:43):
Don't You live on a gigantic block of land.
Speaker 4 (09:45):
I'm sure here that's going to get into the cold
plunges shortly.
Speaker 2 (09:47):
I can speak my hand in the pool because we
had the pool pull and I stuck my hand in
the pool to get the leaves out. Yeah, because we
live in Aukland. Lord, I stuck it in because I've
got summer. Anyway, that was cold.
Speaker 3 (09:57):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (09:58):
We're not going in that for a while, are we
any all? Thank you very much, ladies appreciate it, Trishas
and Joe Supperghani. So huddle seven away from.
Speaker 1 (10:04):
Six for more from Hither Duplessy Allen Drive. Listen live
to news talks. It'd be from four pm weekdays, or
follow the podcast on iHeartRadio.
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