Pita Tipene: Ngāti Hine leader on NZ First drafting a bill to require only one Ngāpuhi settlement

A single Treaty settlement is being drafted by New Zealand First for the country's largest iwi.

Treaty Negotiations Minister Paul Goldsmith has signalled he's open to settlements with smaller groups - within iwi.

Ngāti Hine leader Pita Tipene says they continue to hold talks with Paul Goldsmith, but not Shane Jones.

"He is the minister, that's who we have conversations with and that's how we want to keep it. We don't want to be talking to the minister - or anybody else for that matter - through the media."

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Shane Jones is drafting a bill to force the country's
largest ewe into a single treaty settlement, North Island Ewe.
Napui is made up of a whole bunch of different
hauppoo and lots of them want to settle individually. Shane
was on the My Costing breakfast this morning.

Speaker 2 (00:13):
We've reached a point where we can no longer afford
this hamster wheel politics, said Napo. He has descended into
our bill will ensure that Hapoo sovereignty never gets to
mention undivided sovereignty, undivided citizenship is what I believe in.

Speaker 1 (00:30):
Looking nata Hena is one of the Napoe Happo. Peta
Tippani is a leader of Natahana and with us now
Hipeta got a happy new Year and and to you,
thank you very much. What do you think of this bill?

Speaker 3 (00:43):
Well, let's just say that Napihin, who's made up of
nine Huppo's a collective that is affiliated to Napuhi. There
are a number of collectives. We've all been making great progress.
We're working with the Minister David Goldsmith has two chief
negotiators and and so we are making very good progress.

(01:04):
He is the minister. That's who we had conversations with,
and that's how we want to keep it because we
don't want to be talking to the minister or anybody
else for that matter, through the media.

Speaker 1 (01:15):
Okay, but are you going to accept what Shane Jones
is going to do if he does it?

Speaker 3 (01:20):
No, Let's just say, exactly one hundred and eighty years ago,
a battle was fought nearby, exactly one hundred and eighty
years ago, by the way, where a large military British
force camped and then subsequently attacked a local par which
is a battle long forgotten in most minds, and unfortunately

(01:41):
they charged the par and within five to seven minutes
over one hundred British soldiers were lying either dead or
dying on the field. A colonial government was trying to
bring up to heal one hundred and eighty years ago.
No colonial government then or modern government now will bring
them up. Will he have to heal?

Speaker 1 (02:01):
Okay? So what if he does this?

Speaker 2 (02:02):
Though?

Speaker 1 (02:02):
What if Shane Jones does it and says that it's
only going to take basically one group to sign this
on behalf of everybody. There are some there are some
huppoo who want to sign this A So is it
possible that you get undermined by them?

Speaker 3 (02:15):
Look, as I say, we're very progressive and proactive people,
and there may be a feeling throughout the country through
through our citizens that we don't want to move forward.
We do and we are and we're moving forward with
this government and doing well. That somebody has come in
from the side and given an opinion that about a

(02:36):
future bill is only confusing things and it's very unfortunate.

Speaker 1 (02:43):
Is there a problem with that? Is that do you
guys want to and agree to disagree clause in there
where you basically do not accept that sovereignty was seeded
very much.

Speaker 3 (02:53):
So we're no different to any other EWI I would
imagine around the country.

Speaker 1 (02:59):
Okay, all right, listen, Peter, I really appreciate your time.
Thank you very much. Good luck with it. It's Peter Tippany,
who's a leader for.

Speaker 2 (03:07):
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