Full Show Podcast: 26 June 2025

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Speaker 1 (00:02):
Questions, answers, facts, analysis, The Drive show you trust for
the full picture. Heather Duplicy on Drive with One New
Zealand Let's get connected, news talks that'd.

Speaker 2 (00:15):
Be Hey, good afternoon, welcome to the show. Coming up today.
Willie Jackson on the death of the MP Tucka Tai
hash camp Overnight. New Zealand Rugby on what happened to
that Carpitty Hauter of Fenua game leading to the cancelation
of all their games here there this weekend? And is
it fair to have your paid doc for just working
to rule. We're going to speak to your union.

Speaker 3 (00:34):
About that ever, Duplicy Ellen.

Speaker 2 (00:37):
How disappointing is the revelation that Faro order money has
been used to fund them mo onea Pacific a rugby team.
How disappointing is that this is not a criticism of
the team. I mean, the team has been one of
the rock star stories of the Super Rugby season. This
is about the funding. This is the kind of revelation
I reckon that does huge damage to public confidence and
government use of taxpayer money, because this is money that,

(01:00):
to our minds, is supposed to be going to some
of the most vulnerable people. To helping MARI and Pacifica
families with things like health, medical appointments, baby jabs, education, housing,
that kind of thing. But instead we find out it's
been going to fund a rugby team for elite athletes.
This has been going on for at least two years.

(01:22):
One of the outfits that's contracted to spend Final Order
funds Pacifica Medical Association Group We're going to call them PMA.
PMA has been giving seven hundred and seventy thousand dollars
a year to more one a Pacifica. Now, if they
do it again this year, we haven't got the financials,
but if they do it again this year at the
same level, it will be total two point three million.
That's a lot of money. Now credit where credit is

(01:43):
due credit to the new Fino Order Minister Tama Portucka
or to his department, either of which appears to have
already stopped this in its tracks, taken the contract off PMA,
given it to a new outfit. That outfit has to
abide by a much tighter set of measurements around the
space into the money, and a bit more clarity about
whether they are getting their bang for their buck when

(02:04):
they spend the dollars. But once again, even though it
has been stopped and credit, we credits you once again
though tax payer money has been wasted. And the lesson here,
if there is a lesson, is that it is absolutely
fine to hand out tax payer money to a third party.
But if you do that, they have got to be
rules and there has got to be supervision. Otherwise, money
that we all think is going to families who need

(02:26):
it could instead be propping up a rugby team.

Speaker 3 (02:29):
Ever do for ce Allen.

Speaker 2 (02:31):
Nine nine two is the text number there, and of
course standard text fees apply. Now it looks like the
drug that made Oprah skinny is going to be available
in New Zealand shortly put this in your diary first
of July next Tuesday, we go V also known as ozempic,
as going to be available, but you will still need
a prescription from your doctor. Doctor Arna Spenson is the

(02:51):
vice president Medical Oceania at Novo Nordistic. This is a
company that makes ozempic and is with us. Now Anna, hello,
helloue you stay the big day.

Speaker 4 (03:02):
Of course it is a big day because it's very
important for us to bring something that two point eight
million people in New Zealand may need. So it is
a major advancement for them. And these are the people
who are living it overweight and obesity and in need
to be able to get to their healthy wait and
maintain their healthy way.

Speaker 2 (03:22):
Okay, can I just just make sure that you are
confirming it's happening on Tuesday, because up to now we've
had no official confirmation that I can see Syce Tuesday.

Speaker 4 (03:30):
So yeah, saying from first of July will be available.

Speaker 2 (03:33):
Okay, how much is the cost?

Speaker 5 (03:37):
Now?

Speaker 4 (03:37):
The cost will be absolutely similar to what Saxander is
in New Zealand, so approximately five hundred dollars New Zealand
dollars of course, and that's how we pro get and.

Speaker 2 (03:49):
That's for a month, is it?

Speaker 6 (03:51):
Yes?

Speaker 2 (03:52):
Okay, how much demand do you think there is going
to be in New Zealand?

Speaker 4 (03:57):
Well, I won't be able to tell you how much demand,
will I can tell you how many people in New
Zealand lived in obesities. They set two point eight million
people or individuals living in obsity in overweight and also
we know that some of them one hundred and seventy
thousands of people are also suffering from established Caldivascar disease.

(04:18):
So what would be the demand is difficult. The clinicians
would need to see patients and decide on the eligy.

Speaker 2 (04:25):
I mean, of course it's one thing to need it,
it's another to be able to afford it. Is it
publicly funded, it's.

Speaker 4 (04:32):
Not public as hundreds, yet it will be available to
you know, the patient can get the script from their clinicians.
We as a company, we are determined to work with
a government, a farmak then see whether we can get
that rainburst for those that are eligible yet not yet.

Speaker 2 (04:52):
Okay, So what of the criticism though that there are
people who legitimately need this, you know, to be able
to manage their diabetes rather than just get their skinny
on and that they're going to they're going to potentially
lose out because everybody is going to try it to
get slim off it. What do you say to that.

Speaker 4 (05:10):
This product with GOVI that's indicated for chronic rate management
is something that we have brought. It's effectivates management solution
and also it's not just that it's also recommended to
be used together with their lifestyle change reduced color, diet
and exercise as well. When we talk about diabetic patients,

(05:34):
then diabetic patients have a different product that they should
be using for treatment.

Speaker 2 (05:39):
All right, Anna, thank you very much, really appreciate your times.
Doctor Arna Spenson, who's the vice president Medical Oceania Novo Nordisk.
Now a bit of a shock overnight, of course to
hear that Marti Party MP Tucker Ta tash KEMP has died.
She was in Parliament yesterday. So this is why it's
particularly a shock. It's not like people had much of
a warning. I mean, she was known to be unaware

(06:00):
she was battling a kidney disease, but she was in
Parliament yesterday, flew up to Auckland last night for dialysis.
I'm assuming the dialysis was going to be today. She
was on a waiting list for a replacement kidney, but
then has passed away. This will lead to a by
election obviously in Palmacky Makoto, because she is an electorate
MP rather than a list MP. I imagine it will

(06:22):
be a bit of a contest there between the Marty
Party and Labor obviously because she only beat Pennie hen
at A by forty two votes at the last election,
so it was a tight run thing. We're going to
have a chat to Willie Jackson, who is very very
keen to talk to us about this, not so much
in his capacity as you know, the guy who could
be leading the campaign against the Marty Party, but more

(06:42):
just as a friend, and we'll be having a chat
to him after five o'clock. Right now, it's coming up
fourteen past four.

Speaker 1 (06:49):
It's the Heather D Pussy Allen Drive Full Show podcast
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Speaker 2 (06:56):
Darcy Watergrave sports talk hosters with me right now. Hello,
Darcy is Chrispy. Okay, this is weird. Okay, So the
cancelation of all the games in HOWD of Finowett and Carpety,
good move. Do you support it?

Speaker 5 (07:09):
Yeah?

Speaker 6 (07:09):
I do? And incidentally, ladies and gentlemen, we found each
other's middle names out. That's what I called it. He
called me Christ so people know inside joke, aristocratic. I
think it's a great idea.

Speaker 7 (07:20):
My big issue here is not that horror for Neure
Company have to make this decision, not that college Rugby
Wellington backing it up and made some more moves.

Speaker 6 (07:33):
My problem here is insid are run the game of
this country, right, don't they?

Speaker 2 (07:37):
Yes?

Speaker 5 (07:37):
Their game? Right?

Speaker 2 (07:38):
Yes?

Speaker 6 (07:38):
Okay, so tell me why company rugby, this little tiny
PU right, why why are they doing this? Why did
they have to do this? Why are they suddenly standing
there going you know what, We're gonna draw a line
because we believe this is wrong for our community, it's
wrong for a game. We're not putting up with it.
Where INSI are they seem to resolve it said thoughts

(08:01):
and prayers. Basically we support them. This is great. Now
you lead the game. This is your job. This is
your role is to look after the grassroots of the game,
because without that we don't have superstars. We need to
look after it. They need to roll and they need
to issue edicts like this one. Okay, we're not putting
up with this anymore. This happens anywhere in the country,

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the whole PU. We shut their rugby down from the
next weekend. And then suddenly there's a ground swell and
mums and dads and people go, oh, this really is
actually starting to effect us. So suddenly there are a
lot of people standing there going not on our watch
because at the moment, people are too afraid to do it.

Speaker 2 (08:38):
So you think that basically, if it gets taken off
the people, the people will police the game. Themselves, I think.
So now quick, okay, fair enough, do you understand that
the altercation was, rather than being between the mums and
dads on the side of the field, was actually between
the reef and one of the coaches.

Speaker 5 (08:53):
Yeah, that's it.

Speaker 6 (08:54):
There was from the sideline there amas and driven at
the referee. There were issues with the team. So that
is not parental driven. But what it is is they
as a result, I think the overarching result when people

(09:15):
are with their teams and with their coaches saying we
don't do this anymore, it's the pressure. We're not joining
your clubs.

Speaker 2 (09:26):
This is what has been has been said on our
station today, and you tell me if this is what
you understand. What happened was that Mona College was leading
the game. You can clarify any of these points could
be wrong, right, I wasn't there hard to believe you
love your rugany that much? Okay, So Mona College was leading.
The game went on, the crowd felt that the final

(09:46):
whis still should have been blown. It wasn't blown. In
that time, Carpeti College managed to score a try and
because of that, that is why there was an altercation
between the coach of the now losing team and the referee,
and there was apparently either a shovel or punch.

Speaker 6 (10:01):
That's what I believe. How that got initiated.

Speaker 2 (10:04):
Or don't know. You don't know who threw the shovel
to punch?

Speaker 6 (10:07):
No, or what contributed to that. You don't even have
a situation. My side, your side, the truth of three
sides to every story. What fired up to a degree?
Was it a referee's late decision that should have been
accepted by everybody because that's the nature of refereeing.

Speaker 2 (10:21):
Yes, did the.

Speaker 6 (10:22):
Opposing coach or the players have a crack at the
referee for what they thought was the incorrect decision? Did
that crack cause the referee to crack back? Was it?
Did they put them the bird or a full blown
punch to the face.

Speaker 2 (10:38):
We don't know.

Speaker 6 (10:39):
Because we weren't there. But I think that when push
comes to shove, the referees' decision is fair and final
and if you don't like it, bad luck, wear it.

Speaker 2 (10:50):
Okay, thank you, Darcy. We are going to talk to
New Zealand Rugby about half past five.

Speaker 6 (10:54):
So it's fantastic and I'll talk to the chairman of
one and Rugby referees as well, and we're going to
mister Brian Dickinson who runs College Sport in Wellington and
talk to them about their decision.

Speaker 5 (11:05):
What has to happen next.

Speaker 6 (11:06):
That's all coming up tonight from seven Brilliant.

Speaker 2 (11:08):
Your wonderful Thank you Darcy, Darcy Crispin Watergrave sports Stock
host seven o'clock tonight news to Heather do for see Elia,
you are not going possibly to believe this. The judge
in the Mushroom Chef trial has not finished summing up still.
So last night yesterday we thought he was going to
finish somemming up, hadn't finished summing up, hasn't finished something

(11:30):
up today and will not as now said, not even
going to finish tomorrow. Will not be sending the jury
out until midday a Monday, around about midday, round about lunchtime.
How long has this been going on? Can I just
remind you Murray Olds was on this show nine days
ago on the seventeenth, and this was the discussion.

Speaker 5 (11:48):
When our last checked it was ongoing. Not sure how
long it will.

Speaker 2 (11:52):
Go, but so basically we can say today or tomorrow
it should wrap up.

Speaker 5 (11:55):
A oh gosh, yeah, I would absolutely say so.

Speaker 2 (11:58):
Yes, yeah, I'm looking forward to seeing what happened here.
Oh yeah, yeah today or tomorrow, seventeenth or eighteenth? Try
what what's next? Monday? Ants the thirty first, the thirtieth, Lord,
this judge, we don't have a thirty first in this month?
Never mind, so it's the thirtieth. This judge loves a chat,

(12:18):
loves a chat. Anyway, We've got Murray Old's with us
actually today, so we can we just update this story
for you for twenty two.

Speaker 1 (12:26):
Moving the big stories of the day forward. Alwen, it's
Heather Dupacy on drive with One New Zealand. Let's get
connected the news talks.

Speaker 2 (12:35):
That'd be twenty four past four. Listen, update for you
on the daddy situation. You know what I'm talking about.
This is where the NATO boss Mark Ritter called Donald
Trump daddy.

Speaker 6 (12:45):
They've had a big fight, like two kids at a
school yard. You know, they fight like hell, you can't
start up on let them fight for about two three minutes.

Speaker 8 (12:52):
Then it's easier to start up, and then Daddy have
sometimes you strong language school strong.

Speaker 5 (12:58):
I have to use a certain word.

Speaker 2 (13:00):
I mean, it's pretty weird, Like it's pretty weird. Anybody
calling Donald Trump daddy. But it's really weird. The NATO
boss doing it in his strange Dutch accent. This is
his explanation for it.

Speaker 8 (13:10):
The daddy thing. I didn't call him daddy, but I said,
is that sometimes in Europe are here sometimes country saying
may Mark will the ust with us? And I said,
this sounds a little bit like the small child asking
his daddy, Hey, are you still staying with the family.
So in that sense, he was daddy, not that I
was calling a President Trump daddy whatever.

Speaker 2 (13:32):
Mark. Anyway, now we're all because it's got weird. Did
it get weird for you? It got really weird for me.
The minute that came out of his mouth. I was like,
oh gosh, I didn't want to go there, but I
did anyway. So now he's going to have to live
with that forever. Not only did he suck up something
terribly in that text that he sent to Daddy, but
then he called daddy daddy in public and now we

(13:53):
all know it. Anyway, I'm getting a lot of texts. Look,
Mike talked about it today and I got a text
here again that Erica Stanford, one of the stars of
our current government, continues to enshine race based policies in
her new education curriculum update. I have been getting the text,
I have been getting the emails on it. I can
explain to you what's happened here, But I just want
to be fair to her press secretary because he's actually

(14:17):
a good guy. And I talked to him earlier today
and I said, okay, go on, then answer a couple
of questions for me. I just want to clarify these
two things. And I said to him, can can you
get back to me by four o'clock? And going on
at four and he said to me, oh, look, the
ministers and blah blah in the state somewhere just landing.
And I said, ask the private principle, ask the principal advisor.
And he said, oh, principal advisors also in the states.

(14:37):
I thought, well, that is unfair, so I said, okay,
you can have another hour. So they've gone until five o'clock.
So at five o'clock I will have the final little
piece of the puzzle. And once I've got that information
from the press secretary in Erica Stanford's office, I'm going
to be able to explain to you what I understand
to be going on. Here, So if you just hang
hang tight for about an hour or so, we'll get

(14:58):
to that very shortly. Hither I was a rugby referee
in my twenties, which is forty years ago. I gave
up them because of abuse, abuse from for the refs
and that was an Auckland. It is a major problem.
It was even a major problem back then. Mike, thank
you for that. We're going to speak to you, as
I said earlier to Darcy Rugby, New Zealand Rugby about
this after half past five they have it has been

(15:19):
Darcy's point is fair that it has been dealt with
by the provincial union and New Zealand Rugby is sort
of just acting as kind of like back up rather
than leading the charge. We'll get on top of that,
and also on this business with the funding of Mowana
pacifica Kate McNamara, the Herald journalists who broke the story.
So that's after five o'clock on that news talks edb.

Speaker 9 (15:35):
Yes we can dance.

Speaker 10 (15:38):
We can dance on nine.

Speaker 1 (15:42):
Recapping the day's big news and making tomorrow's headlines. It's
Heather duplessy Ellen drive with one New Zealand. Let's get
connected news talks EDB.

Speaker 2 (16:02):
Somebody else's complaining to the road cone tip line in
my name, and I've actually got the outcome and it's
once again, once again success. I'll fill you in before
five o'clock. Now, I told you yesterday that it wouldn't
be popular. I mean, it doesn't take a rocket scientist
to figure this out, that it wouldn't be popular to
suddenly go, okay, fifteen story buildings in Auckland next to
your villa. And thus it has proved. Kendall Smith runs

(16:24):
the is the chair of the Albert Eden local boards.
That's like Mount to Albert, Mount Headen, that kind of
area that not loving it. Really doesn't want to be
a total nimby. But I think we can all understand this,
you know, the way, who would want a fifteen story
building going up next to them? Like, literally none of us.
I looked at the thing yesterday and because I thought

(16:45):
it affected the train station closest to me. Apparently it doesn't.
But I kind of mapped out what a k would
be and I thought, well, dodged that by a couple
of streets. Thank good. You know we all do that, obviously,
we all are on nimbi's to some extent. Anyway, It's
also been pointed out by the way that none of
what is happening in Auckland is happening to the eastern suburbs, right,
it's all the train stations closer to town is we're

(17:06):
talking Mount Eiden, Mount out. But that kind of part,
you know, you know, none of this rebu era dulling,
none of that's getting affected, and that's just winding up
a certain constituency, as you can imagine. Anyway, we'll talk
to her after quarter past five. It's twenty three away
from five.

Speaker 1 (17:21):
It's the world wires on news talks. They'd be drive.

Speaker 2 (17:25):
Donald Trump says around's nuclear program has been set back
by decades.

Speaker 5 (17:29):
If you look at Hiroshimo, if you look at Nagasaki,
you know that ended a war too.

Speaker 6 (17:34):
This ended a war in a different way, but it
was so devastating.

Speaker 5 (17:39):
Now.

Speaker 2 (17:39):
Of course, he's saying this because of that early report
from yesterday that found the American strikes on the facilities
had only set a run back by months. US president
has had a busy day at the big NATO meeting
as well. Ser Kia Stama is there too. He's promised
to lift the UK's defense spending.

Speaker 11 (17:52):
We have a commitment in our manifesto not to raise
taxes or working people and we will keep to that commitment.
But it is right that I reiterate that the first
duty of the Prime Minister is to keep the country safe.

Speaker 2 (18:07):
And finally, a pub in England has banned the local
Sunday League football team from its premises on Saturday nights.
The landlord of the King, William Inns, is Tunneley Athletic
are losing too many games because the players are too
often hungover from drinking in his establishment the night before,
and he says he's very happy for the players to
pop in for a drink, but only after the game.

Speaker 1 (18:27):
International correspondence with ends in Eye Insurance Peace of Mind
for New Zealand business.

Speaker 2 (18:33):
Murray Old Ozzie corresponds with us, Hello Nas afternoon, Heather.
I mean, he says Monday, but Wednesday could be Friday.

Speaker 5 (18:41):
You're talking about Justice Christopher Beale, who was the Supreme
Court judge in Victoria, who was summing up and directing
the jury after thirty seven days, thirty seven days of
the Aaron Pattison triple murder trial. This is the deathcap
Mushroom Mama as that she's been called in some quarters
over here. The jury, according to Justice Biale, is set

(19:04):
to go out next week. He's been basically summarizing both sides,
the prosecution and the defense. The overriding instruction to the jury,
as you might expect, if there's any set suggestion that
she's not guilty, they must quit, missus Patterson, because you know,
three counts of murder. He said, the prosecution has to

(19:27):
reach beyond reasonable doubt. That's the threshold. And if that's
the jury's view, okay, she is guilty. Now he's as
you know, we've been through this before. He's looking at
allegations by the prosecution, the defense, the arguments that's put forward.
For example, you know the dehydrator. I've never seen one.

(19:47):
I've never bought one. I've never known anyone who's ever
used one. But she bought a brand new one, used it,
and then threw it away. Why did you do that? Well,
that's you know. The jury's in there. Here's the fascinating thing.
There are fourteen jurors. I didn't realize this until this
afternoon doing some prep because I knew I was talking
to you on Monday when the Justice Bill says, the

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jury will go away and retire to consider the verdict.
Two jurors of the fourteen will be balloted out, and
then the other dozen will be sequestered and they can't
get out of it until they reach a verdict. It
must be left, as I said about standard beyond reasonable
doubt to convict. Mss Patterson accepts that, yes, the meal

(20:30):
did contain those killer mushrooms, the death gap mushrooms, but
she said she never ever intended to harm anyone. She
loved her family members who died. And well, I mean,
as you say, thirty seven days in counting. But it's
such a fascinating, absolutely fascinating case.

Speaker 2 (20:46):
So what's up with the two that have been balloted out?
They like reserves, Yeah, exactly.

Speaker 5 (20:52):
I mean somebody might get sick. I mean, you know,
anything could happen. There could be a death in the family,
pardon the pun. There could be any number of reasons
why you'd have to have one or two jurors pull out.
And don't forget thirty seven days. It's a very very
long trial.

Speaker 2 (21:06):
Yeah, well, this is.

Speaker 5 (21:06):
Very anything could happen in that in.

Speaker 2 (21:08):
That Yeah, you want to have a couple of no,
but you want to have a couple of bench players
because I'll tell you what, after how long this has
been going on. Imagine if you had to abandon it
for some because something went wrong with the jury. You
know what, jury jury members sometimes get up all kinds
of funny things as well, right, So even if the
whole thing got thrown out because a couple of them
were up to something.

Speaker 5 (21:25):
Don't don't put the don't put the marker on it, mate,
do not do that.

Speaker 2 (21:29):
What's up with the judge though, Like, what is the
judge doing?

Speaker 5 (21:33):
Well, you know what, I've never studied lawa liver died
law at university, but I think what I mean, this
is such an important case. It's such a long case.
There's so much riding on this. He does not want
to discharge the jury back to their you know, said
the jury out and then have any points of law
that may be picked up by the defense saying, well

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the judge.

Speaker 2 (21:55):
Erd here, I see.

Speaker 5 (21:57):
Yeah, you know he has to cross every t dot,
every eye and you know, you don't get to be
on the Supreme Court by being a dummy. They are
very very experienced jurists, and you know the King's Council,
who are now prosecuting and defending that expert on their fields.
You've got to have everything absolutely schmick and so I
think that's why it's been so darn long.

Speaker 2 (22:17):
Yeah, it's fascinating. I'm really hoping that I'm really hoping
that it's nothing. Fingers cross, fingers cross, knock on, knock
on wood. We'll get an answer to this one. Hey,
what's happened with the ABC?

Speaker 5 (22:28):
Well, the ABC heerd a big time a young woman
called Antoinette Latooth. She's of Lebanese extraction mom and dad.
I think mam and dad. Certainly her antecedents come from Lebanon.
She's obviously an Australian and she was hired for a
one week Christmas shift on ABC Radio and Sydney. Now.

(22:49):
She got sacked on the Wednesday after she posted a
news story from the Human Rights Organization that said, basically,
Israel was used in starvation as a weapon of war
in the war on Gaza. Right now, that information had
already been reported by ABC Radio News I think television

(23:10):
news as well, So you wouldn't think it was all
that controversial that she would simply repost an allegation that
had already been on the ABC. The judge in the
Federal Court found the ABC management panicked. They went into
a total panic and they gave it a flick on
the Wednesday afternoon because pro Jewish lobby groups, pro israel

(23:31):
lobbyists in Sydney were on We're onto the management of
the ABC saying how can you let this woman, how
can you let this presenter put these anti Israeli views
to air. So ABC manager's gone to a tail spend,
sent out the junior managers who have given her the pump,
shown to the door. She's gone, well, she said, hang
on a second. No, I'm not going to cop that.

(23:53):
She went to the where did she go here? I'm
just looking here in my notes. She went the relevant
judicial authority and said, listen, I've been unfairly dismissed. And
the Federal Court has upheld that. Not because a part
of her argument was I'm the Middle Eastern distraction and

(24:14):
the ABC management sacked me because of that. No, absolutely not,
said the Federal Court judge. But he did find it
was completely unfair of the ABC to sack this woman
without giving her a chance to respond to the misconduct allegations.
The executives bowed the judge to outside pressures from pro
Israel lobbyists, she went to the Human Rights that Human

(24:37):
Rights Watts report had already been to wear of the ABC.
It wasn't that she was making this stuff up. So,
I mean, what a disaster. You've got these junior managers
sent out by the big brass. Oh, you've got to
get rid of her. It's only a pre Christmas shift,
it's a fill in shift. Well now they offered the
settle for eighty five k right. Oh yeah, Now they've

(24:57):
in order to pay seventy thousand dollars in damages and
the possibility of punitive damages on top of that, and
the ABC's defense has cost more than one point one
million dollars for the ABC to lose.

Speaker 2 (25:09):
Shesh. You could hire like twenty journo's for that. That
is ridiculous, talk about talk about talk about stupidity. Hey,
thank you for that, Mars appreciated Murray Old's Australia correspondent. Honestly,
the money that people throw at just winning a battle stupid. Hey,
Wellington thought some prayers. Another massive rates hike just been

(25:31):
confirmed today. Twelve percent for Wellington. Twelve percent is a
reprieve This is not even news. In Wellington. Come at
them with a twenty then you're talking. But twelve percent
the rest of us. I mean, I don't know. In Auckland,
we're looking at twelve percent, going oh okay, that is
probably they've got Stockholm syndrome. Yeah, they say twelve percent.
And also I think I think the worst bit about
the twelve percent is that is that they only found

(25:54):
out a few days ago what happened to the last
lot of money that they gave the council, which was, yes,
the disco toilet.

Speaker 1 (26:00):
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and get payments, certainty.

Speaker 2 (26:05):
Thomas Coglan, the Herald's political editors with us.

Speaker 12 (26:07):
Hey, Thomas, good afternoon.

Speaker 2 (26:08):
Did you see taku Ta taj Kemp yesterday?

Speaker 4 (26:11):
Yeah?

Speaker 5 (26:11):
Did?

Speaker 12 (26:11):
She was in the debating chamber. She looked perfectly healthy
and normal. It was a shocked to me, just like
it was the shock to everyone in parliament.

Speaker 2 (26:18):
Yeah, and so do we know what happened last overnight?

Speaker 12 (26:21):
I know that the departing Malory have understandably that they
were in Parliament this morning, but they were not at
question time. All it would appear headed back up to
Auckland to prepare for Kemp's tonguey. So we haven't had
any detailed media explanation of what has gone on here.

(26:41):
Kemp was did have kidney disease, she was known to
She took six weeks off last year for kidney disease,
so she was known to have that. So I think
there's a there's a there's a fear indication that it
might have been related to complications with that. But but
we honestly don't know.

Speaker 2 (26:55):
And so I saw that the Labor Party held a
stand up press conference about this, but I haven't seen
that the Marta Party. Have they not done done one yet?

Speaker 12 (27:03):
No, no, nothing nothing from them today. There are their
MP's were in parliament today. The suspensions lifted on the
CO leaders last night, So the suspensions lifted as of
midnight last night, so they could have all And I
guess that's one of the sad parts of this is
actually the last time that the entire caucus would have
been present under the debating chamber was was the day
that that the CO leaders were censured, we're sorry, suspended

(27:27):
from parliament with what related to relating to that haka.
But no everyone and everyone left the Greens put some
flowers on Kemp's desk in Parliament. There was a Maori
Party flag on her chair. But but Malori partty of
the MPs have have decided not to not to be
in Wellington for today. Obviously there there might be more

(27:48):
tributes paid a bit like with Offesso Collins. We don't
have eyes on that yet with Offesso Collins, who were
tributes paid after when Parliament returned, so we might at
that time in the instance to.

Speaker 2 (28:00):
Okay Thomas, what is the warning from Treasury? Never is
a good thing?

Speaker 6 (28:03):
Is it?

Speaker 12 (28:04):
Never a good thing with treasury? Treasury delivers a warning
like this. Look, they've just said that the government is
the government, I suppose is trying to take the least
difficult path back to suplus, which is just to increase
spending every year, but not increase it by very much
and so slowly the books get back into water. It's
not painful cuts like the Ruth Richardson years. It's not

(28:25):
a lot of spending like the last Labor government. It's
increasing spending but not too much. Treasury is just sort
of looked at those numbers and said, well, look if
you did that over the next fifteen or so years.
What would that do? And basically that would open up
a very large hole between about ten million dollars in
today's money between what they think the health system needs
and what it would be likely to get. And so

(28:47):
the big question that Treasury is basically asking, which is
the same question that Treasury is always asking, is what
are you going to do about superinnuation entitlement? So you're
going to lift the age to sixty seven to save
some money or are you going to have to start
looking at tools like a capital gains tax to raise
that money? The same question they always ask. The answers
always know, uh huh.

Speaker 2 (29:04):
And do you think do you think that National is
going to campaign on sixty seven? I?

Speaker 12 (29:10):
Yes, I feel like I feel like there's a probably
sixty percent chance of there. Obviously, with Winston in the picture,
it ain't going to happen.

Speaker 2 (29:19):
Was pretty clear, should they because it is unpopular, it
remains unpopular, and this is going to be a tight election.

Speaker 12 (29:25):
Well, yeah, if I were in the National you're damned
if you do, damned if you don't. Because if you're
if you're in the National Party strategy team right now,
you're thinking, well, if we do campaign on sixty seven,
we might be the first one term national government in history.

Speaker 2 (29:38):
Because you're right, and why are you damned if you
don't campaign on sixty seven.

Speaker 12 (29:42):
Well, if you don't campaign and it, then you've got
another three years where you've got to do even tight
You've got to keep making quite tight cuts.

Speaker 2 (29:50):
You've got to do the difficult but necessary thing.

Speaker 12 (29:53):
Yeah, I keep it. If you keep it at sixty five,
then all of a sudden you're going to say, well,
look we'll keep it at sixty five. But in order
to pay for that, we can't increase the health budget
by as much would like, or we can't increase the
education budget by as much, or.

Speaker 2 (30:06):
You could just cut into stuff that's unnecessary, for example,
get rid of the Infrastructure Commission.

Speaker 13 (30:11):
Yeah.

Speaker 12 (30:12):
I like the way you singled that one out.

Speaker 2 (30:14):
Yeah, and today I'm going in for a second bite
on that one actually, But you know what I mean,
there are My point is, Thomas, there are lots of action.
There are there are lots of decisions that can be taken,
and lots of little cuts that can add to a
big cut.

Speaker 12 (30:27):
Right, Yeah, Well, and yeah, I mean and to that point,
the X Party when it was in opposition did a
bit a bit like what the Greens are doing with
their draft budgets, although the ex party draft budgets were
very different of the Green Party draft budgets. They'd publish
draft budgets and I basically say, right, we think this
is rubbish. This is rubbish, this is rubbish. They gone,
here's how much, would say, and here's where we'd spend it.
So yes, you could. You could free up significant amounts

(30:47):
of money as well.

Speaker 2 (30:48):
Thomas, thanks very much, appreciate it, mate, Thomas Coglan, the
Herald's political editor, putting.

Speaker 1 (30:53):
The tough questions to the newspeakers, the mic asking breakfast.

Speaker 5 (30:56):
So here we go again.

Speaker 14 (30:57):
The Finance Minister's written this morning another letter to the
for Market's food Stuffs has pled guilty as I'm sure
you're aware of a couple of breaches of inaccurate pricing.
Wolworths is facing apparently similar charges Nicola Willis as well,
as are you, the Finance minister who cried wolf.

Speaker 15 (31:09):
No, I have the same basic expectation that every key
shopper has, which is some pretty basic things you have
to do under the law as a retailer. One is
make sure that the prices that you say on the
shelf are the prices that pay at the till. And
the fact that they are pleading guilty to not meeting,
there's pricing obligations and me just isn't good enough and
I shouldn't have to point out.

Speaker 14 (31:30):
Make back tomorrow at six am the Mike Hosking Breakfast
with the Defender Octor News Talk z B.

Speaker 2 (31:36):
Heather, it's all good for the judge on his fat
salary to drag the trial to its eighth week, but
Spira thought for the poor juras Hey. Actually interesting point
on that. In Victoria, which is where this is being held,
this is the mushroom chef trial. They get paid forty
dollars a week a day for the first week, and
then eighty dollars a day for the second week and thereafter.
But and this is the important and very different to

(31:57):
New Zealand b. But the employer in Victoria is then
expected to top up their pay to buy the looks
of things maximum full them ount on pay for the duration.
So if you want to feel sorry for anybody, feel
sorry for the employers who for eight weeks have not
had employees but have still paid them. Basically, the top up.
It's like maternity leave. It's like a very short maternity leave,

(32:19):
isn't it. It's like a short maternity leaf. But it
can happen to boys and girls of all ages. Jury
service in Victoria. Actually, I don't think that's a bad idea.
I think we should be doing that here. Anyway, I'm
gonna have to run out of time. I'll tell you
about the update you on the road Cones success stories shortly.
Willie Jackson is with us. Next on the death of
that MP Tuck with Ti tash Camp. And also you're
gonna have a chat to Kate McNamara, the Herald reporter

(32:41):
who broke the story about the funding of Mwana Pacifica
with final order money. Newstalk z'b.

Speaker 5 (33:00):
DISKI what.

Speaker 1 (33:04):
Digging through the smiths to find the real story dooring,
it's hither dupless the on drive with one New Zealand
let's get connected news talks.

Speaker 3 (33:14):
That'd be good.

Speaker 2 (33:16):
Afternoon Parliament has risen for the day, paying tribute to
Mary Party MP tap the Tai hash Kemp, who died
unexpected the other night. She had suffered from kidney disease.
Her death will now trigger a by election in the
Maori electorate of Tamaki Makoto. Labour's Willie Jackson was a
friend high Willie.

Speaker 16 (33:32):
Yeah, you're to hear that.

Speaker 2 (33:33):
WELLI obviously my condolence is what happened to I mean,
she was at parliament yesterday, so what happened overnight?

Speaker 16 (33:39):
Yeah, Well, she's been on dialysis and so you know
she's getting that three or four times a week and uh,
you know, it's tough on the body. And I think
that's just a reaction from what I what I've heard,
and you know, and died of I think she died
in this sleep from from what I've heard. So I'm

(34:00):
just on the way to to the airport and hopefully
we'll be able to catch up with It's a toney
later today.

Speaker 2 (34:07):
Did she did she seem well yesterday when she was
out of parliament?

Speaker 16 (34:11):
Well, she seemed well last week when we were in
you know, we're in scrutiny week and she was given
it to a relation Tom of Portucker in the Selek
Committee and you know, it's it's a it's terrible that
that kidney disease. You just you just don't know, you know,
some people can manage it for a few years. And
she's head that I think for the last you know,

(34:32):
last year or two, and it just it just came
up on it. I mean, she a lovely woman to
she's I knew her well because we worked in the
Even Movement before. You know, she was the CEO out
in South Brooklyn there and it's done a lot of
great work with young people in the employment area and vivacious.
Probably a bit quiet in Parliament, but probably a lot

(34:54):
of the reasons for that have been because of the thickness,
because of the poor health.

Speaker 2 (35:00):
Was she waiting for a kidney.

Speaker 16 (35:03):
I'm not sure either. I'm not sure to tell you
the truth.

Speaker 2 (35:07):
I mean I suppose if you probably probably was, Willy.
If you're waiting, if you're doing dialysis that often you
would be, wouldn't you.

Speaker 16 (35:13):
Yeah, you know she was only fifteen. You know, we
won't even blinking. You want old like myself, you know. Yeah,
she won in her sixties.

Speaker 5 (35:21):
So.

Speaker 16 (35:22):
You know, it's a bit of a it was a
bit of a shock.

Speaker 17 (35:26):
It was good.

Speaker 16 (35:27):
I don't know if you saw parliament. Parliament come together
pretty well. I hate to compliment everyone, including you know,
your mates, you know, David seymore on them. I have
that Shane Jones that it's quite funny. Really we're all
going at each other one day. But if you can't
come together for something like that, I suppose we're all that's.

Speaker 2 (35:47):
Right, Well, we're all Keywi's in the end. Now, Look,
I mean it might be premature me asking this, and
so I'm sorry because it is slightly callous. But obviously
there will be a by election at some stage. Have
you turned your mind to it or is it too early.

Speaker 16 (35:58):
I we'll tell you the truth. We haven't even you know,
like it just you know, Penny hen Nady obviously is
the candidate and he you know, he's taking it really badly.
You know, those people have getting a bit shocked by there,
because some people would have would say he was done
out of the money they will see, but you know
he's saw tasked like a sister. It's maldi politicians for

(36:20):
you sometimes, you know, as I said in the house,
you know he had a bit of a tongue, a
bit of a bit of a bit of a cry,
you might, and these are genuine tears, you know. And
when we did a press court conference earlier today and
even in the house, we haven't to tell you the truth.
We haven't turned our mind to it. We're going to
go to the Tonguey she's going to be a twenty

(36:41):
white team and then she'll be going down to Tai
happ Air to be buried over the weekend. So it's
going to be a long few days and we'll turn
our mind to it next week. And don't mind having
a bit of a chat with you probably you know
as we get into it, but it's not something that
we probably should be talking about at the moment.

Speaker 2 (36:59):
All right, Well, let's thanks very much appreciated. Go well,
Willie Jackson, Labor Party.

Speaker 3 (37:03):
MP Keller du for C Allen.

Speaker 5 (37:05):
Right.

Speaker 2 (37:05):
It's been revealed today that Farno Order funds have been
used to prop up the more Wana Pacifica Super rugby team.
Now the money went from the government to pacifica Medical
Association Group, which is a charity that's commissioned to spend
Faro Order funds and from them was given to the
rugby team. Kate McNamara is the Herald journalist who helped
break the story with us. Now Hi Kate, hi hether.
So we're talking about about one point five million dollars,

(37:28):
maybe up to as much as two point three million dollars.
Was that all public money?

Speaker 10 (37:34):
Certainly one point five was public money. It's not clear.
There's another six hundred thousand that came in the year
twenty twenty one twenty twenty two. It's not absolutely clear
that that was public money. It's probably public money, but
I haven't the PMA hasn't confirmed that that came from
the fano Ora contract. It came from Pacifica Futures, which

(37:56):
is the Pacifica commissioning agency to Puny Corkrey. But and
it may be that all of their funding comes from
the fano Aura contract, but it may be that there's
a small amount of funding from another sport in there.

Speaker 2 (38:12):
So we know not, we know at least some and
it seems like a sizeable chunk is public money. Is
it appropriate to use public money that are supposed to
be going for far no order projects, which is jabbing babies, healthcare,
that kind of thing to a rugby team.

Speaker 10 (38:26):
Well, so the is it allowed is probably the first
question you might ask. And it may well be allowed.
Now whether or not that's a good idea, you know,
if you ask me, do I personally think it's a
good idea. I think it would be tough to make
it stack up. Would exactions in babies, yeah.

Speaker 2 (38:49):
Right, yeah so so, but would it be allowed because
it would feed into bolstering the culture which is one
of the things that Varno order is supposed.

Speaker 10 (38:56):
To do bingo so strengthening cultural identity. And I mean
that's as elastic as you want it to be. Right,
you could pay me to go down the pub on
swer Patrick's day.

Speaker 2 (39:06):
Really, yes, I see, I take your point. It's a
fair point. Now there are three people who sit on
both boards, right. They sit on the boat on the
Wana PACIFICA board, which is the rugby team that gets
the money, and they sit on the Pacifica Medical Association
Group board, which is the outfit that gives the rugby
team the money. Is that not a conflict?

Speaker 10 (39:24):
They're related parties, so yes, and you know it's it's
self dealing if you want. And they say, the chair
of Pacifica Medical Association tells me that they followed their
protocols to mitigate this conflict.

Speaker 16 (39:42):
And so.

Speaker 10 (39:44):
The conflicted decision makers weren't involved in essentially okaying the
wouldn't have been involved in okaying the fan or funding decision. Now,
they weren't that exact. They just set out what they're
protocols were and that these would have applied.

Speaker 2 (40:03):
Okay, and I note that this group has now lost
the contract. It's been given to somebody else and there
are much stricter rules. Is that because of this, because
of the funding of the rugby team.

Speaker 10 (40:13):
Yes, I would point out that this contract was renewed
for twelve months last year under the current government. So
you know, if you want to blame someone, yeah, you
can probably spread it around a little bit. I do
think that the current government has been looking at this
and they've changed a number of things. They've tightened. It

(40:33):
took them a while to do it, and in the
meantime they rolled the contract over for twelve months. They
have more measurement requirements of outcomes now in place for
the upcoming contract starts July first, and you're not allowed
to so you, the commissioning agency, are not allowed to

(40:57):
buy essentially buy your own services. And so that actually
would be a big.

Speaker 2 (41:01):
Change right looking at yeah, which might tidy this kind
of thing up. Kate, thanks very much appreciated. Kate McNamara,
the Herald's senior journist, obviously going to talk to the
huddle about this and also listen update on corruption in
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Speaker 3 (42:16):
Trial Heather duplusy Ellen Heather.

Speaker 2 (42:19):
The easiest money to give away is someone else's quite
nineteen past five now, as predicted, not everyone loves that
the government is forcing Auckland Council to allow those fifteen
story apartment buildings near key train stations in the city.
Kendall Smith is the chair of the albert Eden Local
Board and with us hallo Kendall, Hi, how are you well?
Thank you? Did it take you by surprise?

Speaker 17 (42:40):
I have to say it was a bit shocking and
a bit confronting, just the level of intenseication. I mean,
we all think that intensification is important, especially around these
transport hubs, and especially around the huge investment they've made
into the city rail link. However, I just think the
intensity it feels a bit blunt and it feels a

(43:03):
bit too quick.

Speaker 2 (43:05):
What's a better way do you think of doing it?

Speaker 17 (43:08):
I'll look, I think they should really be going through
the normal planning process so that people a can get
a chance to understand what is actually been proposed and
is going to happen in the area, and that they
get a chance to be heard. I think under this process,
I really get the impression. And I don't know for

(43:28):
a fact, but I think it's going to be very
hard for the community to have a meaningful impact in
being who.

Speaker 2 (43:37):
But Kendall isn't the point of not going through the
usual planning process that the usual planning process is a
problem and it doesn't allow anything really to happen.

Speaker 17 (43:47):
I'll look, I look. I agree that there is sometimes
red tape for red tape's sake, but if you don't
allow like forcing something onto a community will never get
you great community outcome, won't actually allow you to plan.
It's going to be so imposing in an area that
has this amazing heritage, and all of a sudden it's

(44:11):
going to have fifteen stories high.

Speaker 2 (44:13):
Are you guys going to fight at Kendall, because it
feels to me like this is very fightable.

Speaker 5 (44:19):
Yeah.

Speaker 17 (44:20):
Well, look, I only speak on behalf of myself. I
hadn't spoken to the whole of the local board about this,
and there will be various views on the local board.
There will be some of my members that absolutely love it.
They love a good bit of public transport out a
bit of which we all do. But there will be
some people who will be I live in a heritage area,
a special character area, and that I really value. And

(44:43):
the most of the people who live probably in Mount
Eden and Epsom and Mount Albert and Kingsland, have chosen
those areas because it's a special character and the heritage
that they love about it. And so to be told
overnight that you might have a fifteen story block beside
you is very unpalatable because you see, is a financial

(45:07):
element of it, which these are people's homes, which is
usually people's biggest impigments. But it's their community in their
home that's going to change like drastically to right concident.

Speaker 2 (45:19):
We will have to live with there. I really appreciate it.
I really appreciate your time. Thank you very much for
talking to us through as Kendall Smith, chair of the
Albert Eden Local Board. Heather, what is this woman talking about?
We need more people living in our amazing city. Yeah,
easy to say when it's not your house with the
fifteen stories next door, five two.

Speaker 1 (45:36):
Informed inside into today's issues. It's Heather duplicy Ellen drive
with one New Zealand let's get connected.

Speaker 2 (45:44):
News dogs'd been Heather, Wake up, we need to build up. Sorry,
your multimillion dollar house is now worthless money. Boohoo. Thank
you Dave for your compassion and understanding to the people
of Mount Eden five twenty five. Now, hey, listen. Next
time someone suggests setting up a new government agency for
anything anything on earth, next time goes, I know what

(46:04):
we need. We need a new government agency. Please remind
me about the case of the Infrastructure Commission, and I
will remember why. We never need to set up one
more government agency for anything at all. We have got,
as we know, an infrastructure problem. We know that we
do right. We look around. Our roads are pothold, we
don't have fast public transport. We keep talking about but
never building another harbor crossing for Auckland. We plan a

(46:25):
new hospital for Dunedin, and then we scrap those plans,
and on and on it goes. So what we did
in twenty nineteen to solve this intractable problem is to
set up the Infrastructure Commission. That quango costs US thirteen
million dollars a year. Yesterday delivered its first verdict. It
was a draft report. Couldn't even do a final report.
Did a draft report? One hundred and sixty four pages
that draft report? Have you read it? No, me, neither.

(46:47):
It's going to be filed in that giant Internet file
that's out there somewhere, which is full of millions of
public reports that are meant to be read by someone
in government. Brackets unclear if it ever is. There are
seventeen recommendations for infrastructure to be invested in going to
tell you about it. It's like military bases, building some
more prisons, expanding broadband like all of it is just obvious, right.
Nothing in this report. I've seen his rocket science. Nothing

(47:08):
is a shock. All of this could have been discovered
by I don't know, let's say the infrastructure minister having
some meetings, calling in the engineers in the country, the
developers in the country, the planning experts, the construction companies,
any number of experts that we have in this country,
any number of people who are living this stuff and
explain to us what to do. Infrastructure minister could have
called them and said, give me your best studies, put

(47:29):
them together. Seventeen recommendations. There you go. You didn't need
one hundred and sixty four page to tell us nothing
new and we didn't need a thirteen million dollar a
year quango to write a report no.

Speaker 3 (47:39):
One will read, ever do for Cee Allen.

Speaker 2 (47:42):
The White House has joined the buzz about Donald Trump
being daddy. It's posted a video and social media showing
him arriving and interacting with other world leaders and so on,
set to this tune. No, no dad, Yeah, sod you
wing up? Take Hey, Hey, hey daddy, that's right, usher,

(48:11):
Hey daddy brackets Daddy's home. So thank you Markret of
NATO for that. We will not sleep tonight. Headline snakes already, no.

Speaker 3 (48:23):
Gol tonight.

Speaker 2 (48:24):
We're gonna do a lot of sex.

Speaker 3 (48:30):
On the iHeart app and in your car on your
drive home.

Speaker 1 (48:33):
It's hither duplicy Ellen drive with one New Zealand let's
get connected news talks.

Speaker 3 (48:39):
That'd be.

Speaker 8 (48:45):
Right.

Speaker 2 (48:45):
The Huddle is standing by. Also, after six o'clock, we're
going to talk to the union about working to rule
and whether you should be doc paid for it. We'll
get to that shortly. Hither I thought you were going
to be speaking with Eric Stanford. No, no, no, I
wasn't going to be speaking with Erica Stanford going to
be speaking about Erica Stanford. I have you are right though,
to point this out, I have given Erica's pressman until

(49:06):
five o'clock to come back with the final two bits
of information that are required to be able to tell
you what happened. It is now five point thirty six.
He has not come back to me. I've emailed him.
I said, how are you going with this? Mate? Nothing?
So I think we have the go ahead, don't we
to just go on and have a chat about it ourselves.
So we will be doing that before six o'clock. So
if you are interested in what is going on with

(49:27):
Eric Stanford putting this Ta kung Amhudi stuff into law
for school boards, stand by. I'll explain it to you
before six o'clock. Right now, as I say, twenty four
away from six.

Speaker 3 (49:36):
Now ever, do for Cee Ellen.

Speaker 2 (49:38):
There will be no rugby and the Carpety and Horde
Fenua regions this weekend because the local rugby union has
canceled all club games all school games after another case
of referee abuse. The game was between Carpety College and
Marna College. The union said the ref was so seriously
abused he had to be escorted to his car. Mike
Hester is the participation development manager at New Zealand Rugby. Hey, Mike, Hi,

(49:58):
what happened was this between the re and the coach
of one of the teams.

Speaker 18 (50:04):
The details depend on who you talk to, but the
reality was there was some views from spectators that we're
really at the heart of it, and so that's what
led to some of the issues with the game having
to be called off.

Speaker 2 (50:18):
So did so the spectator started piping up and did
they then wind up one of the coaches?

Speaker 5 (50:23):
Yeah?

Speaker 18 (50:23):
So the reality is, I mean a lot of these
things can can happen on the sideline with with with
chat from spectators to coaches and the like. So probably
the details of it, again it depends on who you
talk to and the reports, but certainly it was sufficient
enough that referee had to make a decision around the
game and then be supported to be able to lease.

Speaker 2 (50:44):
And was it the coach of the Monna team, which
is the team that lost.

Speaker 18 (50:49):
Again, probably not looking to get into specific Come.

Speaker 2 (50:53):
On, this is what is out there. It's already out there.
So either either you're going to let somebody continue to
be falsely accused or we're going to clear it up.

Speaker 18 (51:04):
Uh, probably don't have the information to be really accurate,
and we don't want to start sort of causing suggestions
about who did what.

Speaker 2 (51:12):
Did the ref push or punch the coach? Not to
my knowledge, no, neither of them.

Speaker 18 (51:19):
Not not to my knowledge, and the ref again not
not to my knowledge. And there will be an investigation
that will work through all of those issues to get
to the bottom of all of it.

Speaker 2 (51:29):
And was this because the ref because the crowd felt
that the whistle had been delayed, allowing the opposing team
to score another try and thus win the game?

Speaker 18 (51:42):
Again, it depends on on the reports that you you
you listen to. But again, these things will be worked through.

Speaker 5 (51:49):
But the real tell you what I don't know.

Speaker 2 (51:53):
I mean, I didn't get you guys, I didn't get
you on to have a fight with you, So I apologize.
But why are you being weird and shady about this?
Why not just tell us what?

Speaker 3 (52:00):
Gold Well?

Speaker 18 (52:01):
The reality is that we don't exactly know what happened
because there's a process that will be followed through to
get to the bottom of it.

Speaker 2 (52:07):
One this happen at the weekend? Or am I imagining.

Speaker 18 (52:10):
That No, no, did it happen at the weekend.

Speaker 2 (52:13):
So you're telling me on Thursday you don't know what
happened at the weekend.

Speaker 18 (52:17):
Well, these are local matters that HKA has worked through
to evaluate.

Speaker 2 (52:22):
What can I tell you something. There are some people
who have spoken to are pretty annoyed at in New
Zealand Rod because they reckon you guys just don't care
about the stuff enough. And it's sounding of it like that.

Speaker 18 (52:31):
Ah, it's quite the contrary. The reality is that these
sort of behaviors are just totally unacceptable. And we know
that we have sort of around seven thousand games that
are run every weekend and a lot of people role
model really good behavior both as spectators, coaches, managers and
officials try to do their job, so there will be
these instances where unfortunately people get carried away and go

(52:55):
below the line. When these things happen, we need to
work through, you know, what are the facts, get to
the bottom of that, run their appropriate investigations and let
it run its course. What we're really pleased to see
is that whilst it's disappointing to see that they go
to these steps, is that the union has it acted

(53:16):
to back up their officials and also what good behavior
looks like, so these are things that are really important.

Speaker 2 (53:20):
Now, okay, Mike, I appreciate your time. I really appreciate
you coming on mate. That's Mike Hester, Participation Development manager
at New Zealand Rugby the.

Speaker 1 (53:28):
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Speaker 2 (53:32):
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we have Morris Williams and Auckland councilor former National Party
Cabinet minister and also Craig Rinny see to you economists,
hire you.

Speaker 13 (53:41):
Too, good evening, he love Craig.

Speaker 2 (53:45):
Do either of you guys do referring? Do you do
you do any referrering?

Speaker 1 (53:48):
Morris?

Speaker 13 (53:49):
I'm too old to run around the field.

Speaker 2 (53:51):
Now what about you, Craig?

Speaker 19 (53:54):
No, absolutely, I can't think of anything worse to be Frank.

Speaker 2 (53:57):
No, because I mean why would you when you hear
that this the kind of stuff you have to put
up with?

Speaker 19 (54:03):
Yeah, it sounds as if you know, some people have
just really sort of you know, lost their names.

Speaker 3 (54:07):
A little bit.

Speaker 19 (54:07):
People shouldn't be put in situations where they're you know,
probably volunteering for their sort of role than having to
cop that sort of abuse. I think it's you know,
it's something we should probably be sensible, you know, just
calm down a little bit.

Speaker 13 (54:18):
That was a pretty unsatisfactory interview. You just still go
for goodness.

Speaker 2 (54:22):
Sake, you are unsatisfied with me or him?

Speaker 13 (54:24):
No, no, with them, I mean, for certain sake, they
should have been onto this, you know, within Monday, they
should have had themselves sorted, had some interviews done, some things,
ready to go, press, ready to go by winds. So
you get a Thursday night and his answer was, well,
we still don't know, not sure, haven't looked at that.
I can't really cover that. Don't want us get into that.
I mean, that is just appalling.

Speaker 2 (54:44):
I know I'm sounding a little bit tired of this
kind of thing, but anyway, what can you do other
than just kind of be angry at it?

Speaker 3 (54:50):
Now?

Speaker 2 (54:51):
What do you Morris? While you're all hit up, what
do you make of the revelation that FARO order funding
has been used to prop up a super rugby team?

Speaker 13 (55:00):
So my gast was flabbored or I just couldn't believe.
I mean that money for health and for well being
is so short, and there's always huge demands. The demand
is always greater than supply and to find that money
that should have been focused on how do we get
better health outcomes for you know, the kids down at

(55:21):
the level of grassroots and make them better and healthier
people was going to a professional rugby team. That is
just I mean, I don't know how ministers could allow
departments who are supposed to be monitoring how that money
has been spent and know exactly what they're getting back
for it, for that to actually be allowed to happen

(55:41):
is just outrageous.

Speaker 2 (55:43):
Yeah, I mean they must have known, mustn't they Craigan,
then they waved it through for another year. By the
sounds of.

Speaker 19 (55:48):
Things, Well, you would hope that they would have known,
you know, you hope your ministe that would be on
top of the majority of the penman's, particularly one that
at first glance looks as potentially controversial as this. You know,
I think there'd be one of the one of the
few occasions Morris and I might be in complete agreement.
I find it extremely strange unless there's some other reason

(56:09):
why this is the case, whether it's being used for promotion,
to support education.

Speaker 2 (56:17):
So what it is that there's a bunch of pillars
to find out order funding and one of them health education, housing,
all the stuff that you would expect, but one of
them is also cultural enrichment, right, and it feels like
possibly these guys have funded the PACIFICA team for cultural
enrichment for PACIFICA people. Does that wash with you?

Speaker 19 (56:37):
I don't think if you're I can see how you
make fund grassroots rugby, I can see how you might
fund a community rugby, but to fund professional rugby in
that space seems to me to would normally feel any
kind of normal cost benefit analysis that you would normally
put forward in this.

Speaker 13 (56:56):
Space and here that whenever these things arise, the very
first thing that shoots my mind or we've got this
and it's exposed and it's an outrage. It's going to
be dealt to in facts and the Pacific Medical as
they've lost the contractor cause my first question always arise
in my brain is and how many others are there
of these?

Speaker 5 (57:13):
Well?

Speaker 2 (57:13):
Exactly, and that is the worrying thing, isn't it? And
we've had texts along these lines, Morris, this does the
minute that something like this comes out, people go, oh,
there'll be heaps more of this And it's such a
nock to public confidence.

Speaker 13 (57:23):
Isn't it correct?

Speaker 2 (57:25):
Yeah, it's really it's a real pity. All right, will
take a break, come back to you guys, shorties shortly
as sixteen away from six the.

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Speaker 2 (57:37):
Right, you're back on the huddle with Marris Williamson and
Craig Rennie. Now, Morris, how much how much support do
you think there are in the affected areas for fifteen
story buildings in Auckland.

Speaker 5 (57:48):
Oh?

Speaker 13 (57:49):
Look, I would imagine there'd be a level of grumpiness
in the very specific affected areas, But if you look
at it in the entire entirety of the old proposal,
it makes really good sense. What we had is the
stupid thing that both political parties agreed to. And let
me tell you, if they're ever going to have sort
of bipartis an agreement, we need to get something a
bit better than the medium densities stuff for Auckland. We

(58:11):
were building junkie pieces of things right in between nice
houses that people have paid a fortune for and had
a right to believe they could retain their value, and
they were not even on bus routes and there's been
stuff all over the place. So what's been happening And
the council has been pleading for it, and the government's
come through and said, look, the best way you can
get intensification is down the rail corridors, down the major

(58:34):
bus routes, and there we should be prepared to go
up and build lots and lots of places where you
can walk out of your apartment walk one hundred meters
or two undre meters steps.

Speaker 2 (58:43):
On the fifteen stories because that's bloody high man. Would
you would you start? Is it your opening? Gam But
can we negotiate you?

Speaker 13 (58:50):
The government have said and that specific thing, haven't They
said a minimum of fifteen within the central city and
we've got plenty of buildings in the city that are
fifteen and more. Stories.

Speaker 2 (58:59):
Now city is a high thing. I mean, if you've
got a villa and then you were fifteen stories next
to it, that salon.

Speaker 13 (59:06):
Well, it'll only be on the rail. They've named heaven Day,
Kingsland and Mountain and Railway Station. Look, what I think
is that the vast bulk of destruction of wealth of
normal properties that was going on with the MDRS was
insanity and I think that if you're going to try
to get people into public transport, you need to have

(59:26):
them living as close to the major corridors and down
that rail lines. They're putting five billion or more into
the CRL. If you're going to do that, you need
to get back an investment. I think it's a great idea.
I think the government's been great to do it, and
I'm pretty sure most of the councilors that we were
being briefed on all this yesterday are pretty strongly in
support of it as well.

Speaker 2 (59:47):
Okay, Craig, what do you think of this?

Speaker 19 (59:50):
Well, I think we've metally, not just not just this,
Successive governments have made really significant investments in these transport corridors.
You know, not putting high density hasing and not allowing
high density housing next to them would seem to really
miss an opportunity created by that investment. What worries me

(01:00:10):
is that it's not so much the housing. It's making
sure that those new residents who are living in that
you know, very high density properties have access to the
amenities that mean that we're not just building future ghettos
and so making sure that they've got access to to
retail to GPS to other public services. Because we can
build lots of housing, we need to be actually building

(01:00:30):
communities and.

Speaker 20 (01:00:32):
What we we're on tune on everything, and what I
wouldn't want to see is us building huge numbers of
new skyscrapers and various places or even just very tall buildings.

Speaker 2 (01:00:44):
And this is why I hate bipartisanship because both of you,
I disagree with both of you on thet Now nobody
represents me.

Speaker 3 (01:00:52):
Well.

Speaker 19 (01:00:52):
I think one of the things we also want to
make sure is that you know, we're building housing for
everyone's needs in the city. And one of the problems
that we know in Auckland, the city have more than
a million people, there's a real shortage of one and
two bedroom units in Auckland, and we need to be
building lots more of those for the communities that are
going to be in Auckland in the future. And this
is this is a means of doing that. But it's

(01:01:14):
to me, it's much more about building the amenities alongside
of it, the schools, you know, the GP practices, the retail,
so that we're building really long term communities, not just
some shorts and housing.

Speaker 13 (01:01:25):
But if you look around Auckland, if you look closely
all around some of the rail corridors, and you know
down through the South corridor and down the Eastern corridor
and even on the western one, there are sort of
big lines of car yards and there are big lines
of industry and so on that literally could easily be
located elsewhere and you could use that land that is
within walkable distance, because that's the key where people no

(01:01:46):
longer need to use a car, because you cannot keep
putting more cars on Auckland's roads. They're already jammed, locked,
blocked and stopped. So you've got to find a way
of people finding public transport as more viable.

Speaker 19 (01:01:57):
And can it can add to that Morris that I
think it's not just an Auckland problem. We have the
same problem. I s Sathier and Wellington and we'll have
you know on on Cambridge Terrace we have a whole
heap of caryards within walking distance of the CBD.

Speaker 2 (01:02:11):
Would you would you like me to hook you up
with each others you're going out for dinner late, it's
the rate you'll go and no, off you go. The
pair of you can have that conversation in private, Thanks
very much. It's Morris Williams and Craig Rennie the huddle
next time somebody says that we need political consensus, No,
you don't. That's what that looks like. Eight away from.

Speaker 1 (01:02:29):
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Speaker 2 (01:02:38):
Heather, be consistent. You can't be in favor of expanding
concerts at Eden Park and not in favor of rational
building in a major city. Both change the character of
the area and decent, decent density housing is way bet
if Auckland Ellen, that's a fair point, But this is
what i'd say. Do you think that more concerts at
Eden Park drop the value of Helen Clark's house?

Speaker 3 (01:02:57):
No?

Speaker 2 (01:02:58):
Do you think if somebody stuck a fifteen story building
next to Helen Clark's house it would drop the value
of Halling Clark's house. Yes, there's your problem, and the
house is the biggest investment that you've got. Okay, it's
five to six, so we're going to I've heard back
from Erica's press secretary. To his credit, he's managed to
answer the questions. I've got what I think is a
reasonably complete picture. Hair, So as much as I could possibly.

(01:03:18):
I heard Mike talking about this business with Erica and
the Ta Kunger clause and the election law, and like Mike,
have been getting a lot of emails about it, and
I think it's fair to raise questions about this. I'm
going to tell you what I know based on what
I've asked around today. So this relates to the Education
and Training Amendment Bill number two, which the government is
changing in order to try to force school boards to
make educational achievement their priority. Right, don't get strack up

(01:03:41):
all the other stuff. Educational achievement is the most important thing.
Hobson's pledge has started stirring people up because they have
spotted the treaty clause. They say the treaty clause forces
every school board in the country to reflect quote local
Ta kung A Mahori matadung A Maori and their ol
Mahori and their policies, plans and classroom tea. Now, from
what I understand, yes, there is a treaty clause, but no,

(01:04:06):
the treaty clause is not knew the treaty clause was
always there. The problem is Erica knows the treaty clause
is there, and Erica doesn't want to take the Treaty
Clause US out. She has been asked to take the
treaty clause out, it's part of the coalition government. She
has said no, and that's why it's still there now.
That will be very disappointing to a lot of voters

(01:04:28):
of the coalition government because you will remember that they
promised to take these treaty clauses out. It was part
of the New Zealand First Negotiation, a New Zealand First
coalition agreement with National They said, quote, review all references
to the Treaty of Whiteitungy principles in legislation and remove
or replace them. So if you're busy rewriting this right now,
why don't you just get rid of the treaty clause

(01:04:49):
right instead. What they're doing, as they're kicking the can
down the road, it's going to a review that's being
led by Justice Minister Paul Goldsmith. He's going to review
it and he's going to decide what to do. So
Erica is not guilty of putting it in there. Erica
is guilty of not taking it out. And I think
that is just as bad because it is yet another
case of this government having said they're going to do

(01:05:09):
one thing, and then they're court going, oh, oh oh,
you busted us. No, we did say we know, and
then we didn't do you know. I mean that's what
they're doing. They're like, they're hoping that you don't notice
that they're not doing the thing, except we are noticing
they're not doing the thing. Erica, by the way, is
on do we know what time with Mike to morrow? Anyway,
Eric's on with Mike tomorrow, So if you care about

(01:05:31):
this issue, tune in, because you know he cares about
it and he's gonna have a little chatter about it.
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Speaker 2 (01:06:00):
Even in coming up in the next hour. What is
going wrong for Nike. We'll have a chat to Sam
Dicky about that. Jamie McKay on the shock news that
Federated Farmers has dumped the chair of the wool and
Meat Group, and also Endebrady is with us out of
the UK at seven past six. Now workers taking part
impartial strikes could soon have their pay docked. Legislation passed
in Parliament last night. Now, the law was changed by

(01:06:20):
the previous government in twenty eighteen that stopped the docking
of the pay. Now it's been reversed. In recent years.
We've seen the teachers and the train drivers and the
end ZDF stuff all engage in partial strikes. Flurfit Simons
is the PSA's national secretary and with us now, hey.

Speaker 4 (01:06:34):
Flur good evening, Heather.

Speaker 2 (01:06:36):
Okay, so what is the docking of the pay ten percent?

Speaker 4 (01:06:39):
Yes, so there is the opportunity now for employers to
dock pay for up to ten percent for workers who
take partial strike action. So that's quite low level strike action,
usually at the beginning of a dispute, in an effort
to try and make the employer understand that are serious
and that they would like to settle the issue.

Speaker 2 (01:06:58):
Is it partial strike or does that is it just
partial strikes or is it also working to rule?

Speaker 4 (01:07:04):
Well, that's still to be decided and that there is
a lot of legal action that will result. Is part
of this new legislation that's come in. We certainly think
that workers shouldn't have their paydoct when they're simply working
to roll or taking their breaks at the same time.
But whether the employers do that, and whether the courts

(01:07:25):
uphold it will something will be something to be seen.

Speaker 2 (01:07:28):
Ah Okay, So it's clear that partial strikes are affected,
but it is possible that working to rule is not affected.

Speaker 4 (01:07:35):
Well, that's the argument that we're making. I'm not sure
the government has the same position.

Speaker 2 (01:07:39):
But do you believe the government wants to dock the pay,
wants to allow employers to dock the pay of people
who are working to rule?

Speaker 4 (01:07:47):
Yeah, I think that is their intention. And actually all
of this is about undermining the power that workers have
to advance their interests and see better wages and conditions.
And we already have quite a ma power and balance
in this country between workers and employers, and employers have
lots of tools available to them to impose conditions which

(01:08:08):
are not fair, and that's why we have a problem
with low wages in New Zealand.

Speaker 2 (01:08:12):
The reason I keep asking about the working to rule
is because that would be very unfair. I mean, my
understanding of working to rule you know more than me,
But it's basically just turning up and doing the job
as per your contract. Right, so you would only be
doing what you are supposed to do for your full pay,
isn't that right?

Speaker 4 (01:08:27):
Yeah, that's exactly right. And we know that so many
New Zealand workers put in extra time, longer hours than
they're paid for. And at the moment, if you do
decide collectively to work to rule, that is a form
of strike action, and you do have to run a
secret ballot for it, and it can be very disruptive
because employers rely on it. The government thinks that this

(01:08:48):
law gives them the right to deduct for that will
be contesting that in the courts, I imagine.

Speaker 2 (01:08:53):
Yeah, okay, Now, is there any indication that there have
been more strikes as a result of employers being unable
to doc pay in the last few years?

Speaker 4 (01:09:02):
No, there heaven. And actually it's worth remembering that the
vast majority of collective agreements in New Zealand are settled
without their being any industrial action, and workers and unions,
employers sit down and they negotiate every day and come
to agreements, and no worker takes a decision to take
strike action.

Speaker 16 (01:09:20):
Lightly.

Speaker 4 (01:09:20):
It's a very serious, considered decision, and really what we
think this will do is probably lead to more full
stoppages because the ability to take partial strike action at
that low level is significantly reduced.

Speaker 2 (01:09:33):
Now I see, flur Thank you very much, appreciate your time.
It's Flurford Sigmons PSA National Secretary.

Speaker 3 (01:09:38):
Ever duplesl whether you are.

Speaker 2 (01:09:41):
Wrong on the Education Amendment Bill number two, the Maori
learning requirement has been added and it is compulsory as
currently written. Hither the Education Amendment Bill number two treaty
clauses are dramatically more prescriptive than those that they replace. Matthew,
thank you. I can be wrong. I just told you
what the best that I know best best to my

(01:10:01):
knowledge what is happening. But you know what, I don't
know everything. So we'll see how this one plays out.
Eric is on with Mike tomorrow. Have a listen. Now,
do you remember a couple of weeks ago there was
that a report rather that warned that New Zealand is
becoming more corrupt and that the biggest risk that we
face as a country is basically insider threats. So it's
things like cops being corrupted, officials being corrupted, border staff blah,

(01:10:24):
blah blah. You know, you get the picture. Police have
just busted, as if to prove the point, Police have
just busted a twenty four million dollar smuggling operation. They
rated nearly two dozen properties across Auckland. They hauled in
sixty four cages of methamphetamine, three point five four cages
of coke, huge amount of cash, sawn off, shotgun, and

(01:10:45):
they arrested eighteen people. Nine of those people were baggage
handlers and one was another staff member working at Auckland Airport.
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can I hear that what's happened to Toby Williams, Well.

Speaker 21 (01:11:18):
He's been kicked to touch, he's been gassed, whatever way
you want to talk about it. It's farmer politics here
that can be a bit of a brutal business. As
you know, I've spent the past couple of days or
Tuesday and Wednesday at the Primary Industry Summit put on
by Federated Farmers. And of course you spoke to me
just on the eve of the Primary Industry Awards. We

(01:11:39):
might get to that later, but yeare Toby Williams, and
I know you've spoken to him on your show, Meet
and woolchair for Federated Farmers. He's been dumped, no other
word for it, outvoted and incomes Marlborough Provincial Vice president
Richard Dawkins, a young bloke. I met him yesterday in
christ Church. Now, Toby's been chairing the group since I

(01:12:02):
think late just off the top of my head, late
November or late twenty twenty two. They normally get to
serve a minimum of three years and the rollers chair,
so he's been challenged he's gone. Remembering this is the
guy that front of the Save our Sheep campaign. He's
been right at the forefront of leading the charge against
carbon farming and I think he's done a really good

(01:12:26):
job on that front. But someone in Federated Farmers isn't
happy with them. Politics rules. He's gone. The other change
is the dairy chair. Of course, we had Richard McIntyre
stepping aside there North Canterbury Provincial president Carl Dean is
the new National Dairy chair after the Waikato The other challenger,

(01:12:47):
Waikato President Phil Sherwood, withdrew his nomination at.

Speaker 13 (01:12:52):
The last minute.

Speaker 21 (01:12:53):
You know, the mind biggles in the entrigue continues here
with the Southern sudden. WI should do a soap opera
on this sudden resignation the housewives of Federated Farmers.

Speaker 4 (01:13:04):
I don't know.

Speaker 21 (01:13:04):
Look, the sudden resignation of long serving farmers Federated Farmer's
chief executive Terry Copeland. As we were heading to that
conference on Monday, we got word that he's resigned and
he's stepping down from his role this Friday, ie tomorrow. Wow,
that's not really normal practice. I don't know what the

(01:13:26):
hell's going on there, but we'll give him the benefit
of the doubt. He's done some good things at Federated Farmers.
He's the guy who came up with the idea of
this industry summit and the primary industry awards, the Rural Oscars.
If you want so, he's gone. And in the meantime,
in another strange move, if you ask me, FEDS might
black blackball me here and maybe not talk to me

(01:13:48):
for speaking out of turn here, but they've chucked in
Wayne Langford, the affable president of Federated Farmers, to act
as the acting chief executive. So trouble at Mill.

Speaker 2 (01:13:59):
Well, it sounds like is this some sort of a
clear out going on here or something like that?

Speaker 5 (01:14:03):
Well, I honestly don't know.

Speaker 2 (01:14:04):
I mean, do we connect some dots here?

Speaker 5 (01:14:08):
I'm not sure.

Speaker 21 (01:14:09):
Maybe we're two and two equals five on this one here.
But look, this is not new. Farmer politics has always
been a bit of a brutal game. And you know,
these guys are giving of their time. Guys and girls
are giving of their time, and I think, I think,
just like politicians, there's some ambitious people in there.

Speaker 2 (01:14:27):
Well yeah, I mean, a farmer's got an idea, a
and they're pretty used to having an idea and executing it.
And so if they see that something's wrong, I imagine
they just want to fix it up, and therefore it
moves quickly and I like that. Now, how did you
go with those primary industry awards? Did you hand out
gongs to everybody and then hit the beers afterwards?

Speaker 21 (01:14:42):
Well, I ended up getting stuck in a bar at
one am with the EU Ambassador.

Speaker 5 (01:14:47):
To New Zealand, Lawrence Meredith. What a good blow key is.

Speaker 21 (01:14:50):
I hope he's not listening for me outing him, but
I was them saying, so I didn't have to be
at about eleven o'clock. You know what it's like, you
need to unwind, can't go straight to bed. So now look,
it was a really good evening just running through. Perhaps
there was eight awards up. I want to single out
four of them. The late Chris Allen, posthumously named rural hero,

(01:15:13):
killed in a tragic farm accident last year. A very
will mark this name down. Her name is Brady the Bickus.
She won the Emerging Leader Award. She's being talked about
already as a future leader of Federated Farmers, perhaps following
in the footsteps of the first President, Katie Milne. The

(01:15:36):
Lifetime Achievement Award or Outstanding Contributions should I say award
went to an old maide of mine, Eric Roy. I
know that Barry in particular, will know him very well.
Served six terms as an MP, great bloke, sold of
the earth bloke, and I want to mention doctor Robin Dines,
another great Southlander. She won the primary Industries Champion.

Speaker 2 (01:15:57):
Award, fantastic and please you had a great time, and
please you got a bear at the end of it.
Jamie Jamie McKay, Host of the Country. Here that your
opening statement yesterday read the leaked documents about the damage
to Iran's nuclear facilities has pretty much been hit for
six today. You should have fact checked at first, I think, Terry,
thank you, Terry. Would you have how we're going to

(01:16:17):
fly into Iran and just rock up there and have
a look at how much damage was caused? Literally, no
one can fact check it, which is why, which is
why there is conflicting, conflicting versions of events, and it
remains thus it is still conflicting. The head So the
leaked report that came out said that the Iran nuclear
program had only been pushed back a few months, right,

(01:16:38):
The head of the CIA has since come out and said, actually,
the Iran nuclear program has been probably set back by years.
The US strikes did severely damage Iran's nuclear facilities. Donald
Trump himself, I mean, he went big on it, right,
He said it had been completely obliterated and blah blah blah.
Now obliterated is different to severely damaged is different. To

(01:16:59):
just damaged. So Donald Trump, who said there was abliteration
himself wavered for a minute today he said the intelligence
was very inconclusive, and then he changed his mind and
then went back to saying, no, it was severe. It
was total obliteration. Then, as if to kind of goodness me,
as if to kind of double down, I suppose you
could say, he called for the firing of the CNN

(01:17:21):
correspondent who had originally reported on the leaked document. So
all things have ended up. We've gone full circle and
we're back to where we were before, which is the
leak document is nonsense. People should be fired and it
was complete obliteration six twenty one.

Speaker 1 (01:17:34):
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Speaker 2 (01:17:47):
The issue with the school Tea Kunger issue is is
that that section was put into law by an activist Dardurn. Labor.
Government and National said they would take that stuff out,
and so did Act and New Zealand. First, Sarah make
a very good point. This is where it's all about
disappointment for people, isn't it now, I've got a twenty
four past six. By the way, is the time. Got
a bit of show biz news for you, No settle down.

(01:18:10):
We don't know who the Bond is yet, but we
do know who the director of Bonders. It's Denny the Nerve,
the Nerve, Denny the Nerve week on the French has
got the job. He calls himself a die hard Bond fan,
which is a good starting point, he said to me.
Bonds Sacred Territory gave an interview a couple of years ago.

(01:18:32):
Is asked about what you know, would he one day
perhaps consider directing a Bond film, and this is what
he said.

Speaker 1 (01:18:37):
The The answer would be a massive yes.

Speaker 18 (01:18:40):
It's a character that.

Speaker 9 (01:18:42):
I've been with like everybody, like since my childhood and
it's like I am like massive affection for Bond.

Speaker 2 (01:18:51):
Now so far, so good, okay, because the guy is
into it. The boss of Amazon MGM Studios, Mike Hopkins,
said that Denny is a situ which you call him
bosing name Dennis. Dennis is a cinematic master. James Bond
is in the hand. Well, I'm speaking English and his
name is written den I s He is now called Dennis,

(01:19:13):
So Dennis Dennis. Dennis is a cinematic master. James Bond
is in the hands of one of today's greatest filmmakers,
and we cannot wait to get started on Double O
seven's next adventure. Now. The reason that ANTS is saying
nobody calls him Dennis is because you know who he is,
don't you answer?

Speaker 22 (01:19:30):
It's anything nerve as a genius. I'm actually going to
see this movie just because of this.

Speaker 2 (01:19:34):
Okay, because he did.

Speaker 22 (01:19:35):
He did Sacario, which is amazing. He did Arrival, which
was quite good. He did Alsand which is so good.
Everyone will know him for the Blade Runner sequel, Blade
Runner twenty forty nine, and the two Dune movies.

Speaker 2 (01:19:46):
Nobody knows him for the Blade Runner sequel. We know
him for the Dune movies, Ants, and he's got eight
oscars as a result of that. His appointment is part
of a wider shakeup, and this is why we care.
This is why we started off talking about the Bond
ro because his appointment is part of a wider shakeup
of the Bond franchise. Because old mate Barbara Broccoli, she
and that the others gave Care out of control to Amazon.
MGM Studios in a deal right which cost about a

(01:20:08):
billion dollars, And part of that was that the next
James Bond actor will be a man. He will likely
be in his thirties. Whiteness is not a given, so
it's going to be what's his name, Eldrit, what's his name?

Speaker 22 (01:20:22):
Dress Alwer?

Speaker 2 (01:20:23):
Thank you him because he's very handsome, and I mean
he's not what's that beaty? Yeah, as I was thinking,
he's not in his thirties, is he? He's sort of
in his early forties. I mean, who's handsome? Who cares?
They can do a lot with makeup nowadays. He's fifty two.
So it's not gonna be him. It's gonna be somebody else.
But at least look at least Bond is not going

(01:20:43):
to be a lady, because I think we can all
agree that that would be ridiculous. Anyway, listen, very quickly,
speaking of speaking of love affairs, things of the heart.
Online dating is not doing very well. This is according
to Bumble Bumbles. You know how you've got the tinder
and the grinder, which is kind of a basic. You
wanna go up a level, you want to go to
Bumble that's a bit of the classy one. Bumble is

(01:21:05):
laying off two hundred and forty employees, are roughly thirty
percent of its global workforce. They need to find forty
million dollars US and annual cost the most recent first
quarter earnings, Bumble reported a total revenue of about two
hundred and forty seven million dollars US. That's down nearly
eight percent from the same period a year ago. Now,
I don't know what is going on with the online dating,

(01:21:25):
but I do have some friends who do this, and
what appears to be happening is that people it kind
of it was a bit eck for a while there
in the sort of like two thousand, early two thousands.
Maybe then it became okay and everybody did it, and
it's kind of starting to People are over it now.
And maybe that's part of the problem with Bumble, is
that we tried the online dating and then we found
out we just really didn't like it very much. Headlines

(01:21:47):
are next.

Speaker 3 (01:21:54):
Crunching the numbers and getting the results.

Speaker 1 (01:21:56):
It's Heather due for Selan with the Business Hour to mayors,
insurance and investments, throw your wealth, protect your future.

Speaker 3 (01:22:04):
These talks, he'd be.

Speaker 2 (01:22:14):
If you're in Auckland, and you're not sure whether you're
and you're in the you know, including little place like
Mount Eden. And if you're not sure whether you're going
to be affected by this fifteen fifteen story building nonsense.
The Herald's just chucked the map, an interactive map up
on the site. Go and have a look and you'll
find out. Trump is considering, apparently this is reporting from
the Wall Street Journal, is considering naming the next FED

(01:22:35):
chair early in a bid to undermine Jerome Powell. He's
called Drome Powell terrible. In his latest attack, he said
he's got three or four people in mind as contenders
for the top FED job, apparently Fed Governor Kevin Walsh,
National Economic Council head Kevin Hassett, FED current FED Governor
Christopher Waller Waller, and Treasury Secretary Scot Percent twenty four

(01:22:56):
away from seven. Sam Dickey is with us from Fisher Funds. Hello, Sam,
good evening here, right, Let's talk about Nike, because, as
he points out, Nike has has had its stock plumb
at sixty eight percent from its peaks about November twenty
twenty one is a textbook fallen angel. What's gone wrong here?

Speaker 3 (01:23:11):
Well?

Speaker 5 (01:23:12):
John Donaho.

Speaker 23 (01:23:13):
He was the CEO that came in about five years
ago in twenty twenty, and he pretty quickly shifted Nike's focus. So,
as you probably know, it used to be all about
having sported its course, so organizing itself around megasports like basketball,
running football, plus being very very visible in retail stores
and using its power its might to elbow out all

(01:23:34):
the wannabe brands off the best shelves. So he did
a few things. He wanted to make the company more profitable,
So he simplified the company's divisions by memorom and and
kids rather than by sport, and he turned his back
on the shoe shops and sports retailers to try and
sell more products online, which on the face of it
makes sense because you have a simpler divisional structure, you

(01:23:56):
reduced a number of expensive sports specific designers, set a
pain away profit to a retailer to sell your product.
You keep that extra profit for yourself and sell directly
off your website. But it backfired and Nike he lost
its sports specific product innovation advantage. And what's worse, that
shelf space it had freed up by turning its back

(01:24:17):
on retailers was greedily gobbled up by smaller innovative brands
like Hoker and On Running.

Speaker 5 (01:24:22):
Ah.

Speaker 2 (01:24:22):
And that's quite key, isn't it, Because because Hoker. Look
at what's happened to Hoker lately, right, and you've got
all of these because I mean, part of the story,
as you say, is what's going on within the business,
but part of it is also the pressure from the
competitors like Hoker, like Lulu Lemon as well, isn't it.

Speaker 3 (01:24:38):
That's right?

Speaker 23 (01:24:38):
And they were able to use their mic previously to
ensure they get all the best shelf space in it
in a shoe shop for example, and when they turn
their back on those retailers, that space was it greedily
gobbled up. And ironically here that Hoker and On Running
used the same strategy that Nike did back in the
day to take on you know the big players back then,

(01:24:59):
probably Addy as Converse, Puma, and used that really kind
of sports specific product innovation, so really focusing on running shoes,
really focusing on basketball shoes to beat at its own game.

Speaker 2 (01:25:15):
Now, look, I know retro is back, Sam, but do
you think that maybe overly reliant on their retro styles?

Speaker 23 (01:25:22):
Yeah, Well, they had been super reliant on those mega brands.
And look that that's part of that. So that the
changing strategy and that reliance on those mega brands like R.
Jordan's et cetera, which I guess sort of retro has
punished the stock. So you know, inventory is every consumer

(01:25:42):
product company's worst nightmare. And Nike's inventory shot up from
five billion dollars to eight billion dollars because it couldn't
sell enough product via it's new online strategy. Profit fell,
cash flow almost halved, So not dire straits, but the
company got itself into a materially worse position than was
and hence, as you say, it fell sort of seventy

(01:26:02):
percent in terms of stock price.

Speaker 3 (01:26:04):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:26:04):
Now the thing that you would refer to is Nike's
competitive moat. Is that still intact or is that gone forever?

Speaker 23 (01:26:10):
Well, that that is the number one question. And remember
mote is a sustainable competitive advantage, like a motor around
your business to ward off the ravages of competition. And
Nike's moat is, of course it's incredibly powerful brand, but
that brand is supported by its scale. So he used
to support that brand with its scale by elbowing, you know,

(01:26:30):
the wannabe hokers and on runnings off the shelves, but
it also spends almost five billion a year on marketing
and sponsoring the best athletes in the world and that
hasn't changed. So they recently wrapped up Caitlan Clark the
WNBA Sensation for about twenty eight million bucks, despite Puma
adi Das Underarma or clamoring for attention. And I think
it was Lebron James that describes it best. He could

(01:26:52):
have gone with Rebok for one hundred and fifteen million dollars,
but we were Nike for ninety million dollars because he
went and saw them and was walking the hallways and
sort life sized cutouts of Michael Jordan and Tiger Woods
and realized he had to side with Nike. And the
other thing is that the CEO, John Donna, who's now
gone as well, so he's been replaced by Elliot Hill,
who started at Nike in nineteen ninety eight, is an

(01:27:15):
intern and he's changed course. He's steered the company back
towards its course. So I think the moat is still there,
it just needs to be fixed up.

Speaker 2 (01:27:23):
A bit interesting, Okay, So what does this mean for investors?
What do they need to consider it's.

Speaker 23 (01:27:28):
A reminder of a few things. So of all the
types of moats, so I think about cost advantages, customer
switching costs, or even patents, brand can be the most
fickle one, so a brand note mote needs to be
well looked after which it wasn't under John Donahoe. And
it's also a reminder I think for companies that hiring
from the outside can be a risk. So John had

(01:27:50):
been on the board of Nike, but he'd never kind
of worked for Nike as an employee. He'd never lived
and breathed on a daily basis what makes the place tech?
And a new CEO was hired as an intern. That's
almost thirty years ago. So that what is interesting, Heather,
is the proof is going to be in the pudding
because the company's reporting it's fully a result tomorrow. And

(01:28:10):
one thing for sure is for sure sentiment is very bearish,
which on the one hand, is very helpful because even
a halfway decent result should see the stock price move higher.
But if Nike misses earning the expectations significantly tomorrow and
can't even get over the very low bar set by
a seventy percent four in the stop price, perhaps that
amazing brand mode is even more damage than the market thinks.

Speaker 2 (01:28:33):
Interesting. Okay, hey, thank you very much. I really appreciated it.
As per usual, Sam that Sam Dickey official funds right
now eighteen away from seven, Heather duplessy Ellen, it's going
to have to talk about face yoga in a minute. Okay,
someone has used my name for another road cone complaint.
I don't mind. You're welcome to because then I get all.
You've got to use the email addresses. Can't use the

(01:28:54):
news News Talk ZB email address, which is what just happened.
You got to use hither at Newstalk ZB do co
dot NZID Police. Anyway, the kids in the in the
newsroom sent it through to me, so anyway I can
I can update you kea order, Heather says the email
from Auckland Transport. Thanks for getting in touch with Auckland
Transport regarding road cones. Bracket's case number c AS one
one three five seven one six hyphen P two W

(01:29:18):
nine C three. So if that's your one, you know,
if you're like, oh yes, I remember that number, this
is for you. Our traffic management advisor has visited the site.
Brigham Lane Briam Lane Brigham Lane and agree that there
were too many cones. See, you were right there. This
has now been picked up and significantly minimized. Traffic Management
advisors have ordered the site multiple times previously and advised

(01:29:40):
improvement areas for the site. So you're write recidivist defenders.
As the project is scheduled to finish shortly, thank god,
closure is reduced on Brigambriam Creek Road and all cones
on Trigg Road and Spedding Road are picked up. Nah
mahe so you're welcome and thank you for it. By
the way, I have noticed that the emails from Auckland
Transport of getting more and more terse with me because

(01:30:03):
they're obvious like this Heather is complaining all the time
about all this stuff all over Auckland City. So good
on you, and actually let's throw them off the sink
a little bit. Let's let's have a complaint from the
Nelson now from Tasman District and something from Canterbury as well,
just to really mix things up a little bit. And
I'll keep you posted. It is working. It is doing
what it's supposed to sixteen away from seven, whether it's.

Speaker 1 (01:30:24):
Macro, micro or just plain economics, it's all on the
Business Hour with Heather Duplicy, Ellen and Les Insurance and investments,
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Speaker 2 (01:30:36):
The Brady UK correspondents with us now, Hey.

Speaker 9 (01:30:38):
Enda, hey, Heather, good to speak to you again.

Speaker 2 (01:30:41):
Do we believe this pole?

Speaker 9 (01:30:43):
So this pole is putting Nigel Farage in Downing Street
as Prime Minister. In four years time it would be
a hung parliament. What I think is really shocking for
Keir Starmer and indeed the leader of the Conservative Party,
Cammy Badenoch, is just the extent to which they're politic
support at constituency level across the UK has fallen away

(01:31:05):
in a very short space of time. So Reform UK
currently have five members of Parliament. This poll says if
there was an election this week, Reform will be on
two seven eight. That's how many seats they would win,
two hundred and seventy eight. Labor would fall away to
one hundred and seventy one and the Conservatives would drop

(01:31:26):
down to forty six seats. They would be basically a
minor political party. Now, if you add Labor and Conservatives together,
they still wouldn't have as many seats as Reform It's
a long way out from the next election four years out.
But I think as we approach Keir Starmer's first anniversary

(01:31:46):
and power next week, he needs to start sitting down
with his people and working out how to tackle reform
because they are running away with it in the polls.

Speaker 2 (01:31:55):
Okay, So I mean this could just be a I
don't know, like a protest vote, a protest pole result.
Does it actually people actually who are saying to the
posters right now that they would vote for reform, will
they actually walk into a rebellot booth and vote for
reform in these numbers?

Speaker 9 (01:32:10):
All I can say anecdotally from people I've spoken to
a summer barbecues and various different social events over the
last few months, everyone is sick of the system. You've
had two parties rule the UK for a century, Conservatives
mostly and then Labor, and people have had enough. They
think something has to change, and Farage seems to be

(01:32:33):
right now flavor of the month. But as I say,
we're forty eight months out from an election, so let's
see what happens. But I think when it comes down
to it, is he realistically going to change life for
the better for many people in the UK and does
reform have the political roots? You know how a political
party needs various different departments, it needs really switched on

(01:32:55):
people doing everything. I'm not sure they have that level
of depth right now.

Speaker 2 (01:33:00):
Yeah, fair point. Now, how do you feel about all
these leaders sucking up to Trump at the moment.

Speaker 9 (01:33:07):
Well, kir Starmer has led the way really. So there
was a couple of big announcements we had. On the
money side of things, we know Trump loves the deal.
He's managed to convince the UK that it needs to
buy American made F thirty five a fighter jets, twelve
of them. An order has gone in yesterday, which are
capable of carrying nuclear weapons. So Starmer says that is

(01:33:29):
something that the UK needs are Right now, the UK
can only fire nuclear missiles from a submarine, so he
wants to broaden out the capabilities there. And then secondly,
the state visit, which I was briefed will happen in
twenty twenty six, if not twenty seven, is now being
brought forward to this September. Wow, because Trump wants it

(01:33:51):
as soon as so. He's a very transactional president, we
know that much. And he is ringing everything every last
drop out of the UK right now, and Starmer seems
to be the only person in Europe who has any
kind of a decent relationship with him. It's absolutely fascinating.

Speaker 2 (01:34:08):
And I don't know Mark Rutter does now that he's
called himdaddy.

Speaker 9 (01:34:12):
Yeah, that's the level we've got to. They have to
sit down with the President of America and call him
daddy to have his ear. I mean, honestly, I've never
seen such what's the word obsequiousness, Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:34:24):
That's the perfect word for it. Hey, have you I
know you love running. Have you caught up on what
our boy Sam Harvey has done the ultra marathon runner.

Speaker 9 (01:34:33):
I'll tell you, I'm in such kind of shock from
my last attempt at an ultra marathon that I've tuned
out from all running articles social media.

Speaker 2 (01:34:41):
Shall I tell you to tell me Grub broken the
world record for this particular kind of like backyard ultra
marathon running where they run a loop of six point
seven k's and they do it once an hour, right,
they have to do it at the start of the hour.
Whatever they do. If they finish it in thirty five minutes,
they've got time to spend the risk of the time napping, eating,
getting a mess out. He did it one hundred and

(01:35:01):
eighteen times. He ran seven hundred and eighty four k's
in nearly five days and then collapsed.

Speaker 9 (01:35:07):
Good God, right, Well, I take my heart off, Hilma.
I'm enjoying. I'm enjoying being out in the countryside in
England in the summer, running without a rock sack and stopping,
stopping whenever I feel like that.

Speaker 2 (01:35:20):
And I don't know, having a nap or asleep or
you know, just normal normal behavior. Inda, thank you very much,
really appreciate it.

Speaker 5 (01:35:25):
Mate.

Speaker 2 (01:35:25):
We'll talk to see and into Brady UK corresponding. Nine
away from seven.

Speaker 1 (01:35:29):
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Speaker 2 (01:35:50):
Hither I came across three major road cone violations on
my run from Auckland to Wellington today. On your run,
I'm assuming that's a truck run. I perhaps need to
start putting them under your name. Yes, absolutely, You're welcome
to as I say, just put in Heather, Heather DPA.
They'll nob by now and then you know, you go
for the old Heather at newstalk zb dot co, dot
inz and on monitor it for you and let you know.

(01:36:11):
And I'm basically like your PA or your chat GPT.
You can just drive and I'll just tell you what
they say to you. Face yoga it's a thing. It
is a thing, and it works. I know wanted to work,
but it works. So apparently, Laura, are you listening, okay,
because you've got a face and you're a lady, So
this is how we're the only ones who care. Okay,

(01:36:32):
you No, that's basically what you have to do. So
you have to do apparently if you want what happens
is you get older, your skin starts to sag and
stuff like that, right, and you want to get rid
of that. You want to build up the muscle underneath
your skin layer. So you want to do things like duckface,
which is basically pouting. H I want to a little
bit of that. You also want to do what's the

(01:36:53):
other one? There was lion energy or something like that
I thought could work for you. Lion's breath, Laura This
is where you open your mouth wide, stick out your toe,
roll your eyes back. I don't know what you have
to roll your eyes back, and it definitely makes you
look mental, so it's fun. And then exhale ah, there's
your lions breath. Then you also want to do your
smiling Bouda face, which is where you lift the corners

(01:37:13):
of your mouth for just a neutral look. Now I know,
because I mean, look when it sounds like a prank,
I know it does sound like a prank. I know,
but CNN wrote about it, so it's real. And also
the other thing is, look, there are some ladies in
you who just have too much money, right, and you
sort and you just look at your face in the
mirror too much and you think, oh gosh, I need
to do something about the rest of us. Of course,
it's just running around chasing children. We don't care what

(01:37:34):
we look like. But if you are one of those
people will be You can do this. It's free and
all you need to do is thirty minutes of exercise
a day. Sixteen people did it for thirty minutes a
day that for twenty weeks, and a panel of dermatologists
observed improved facial Fullness Ants.

Speaker 22 (01:37:50):
Right one more Time by Daft Punk to play us
out tonight. French President Emmanuel McCaul has said that he
thinks that French House should be given UNESCO World Heritage stamp.
Now this isn't actually as crazy as it sounds like,
because they apparently do this all the time. Mexican Mariacci
that's on the UNESCO list, Cuban Rumba that's there, Berlin
Techno's there, and he's saying we'll hang on. French House
should be on there as well. So yeah, fair enough.

Speaker 2 (01:38:11):
I think I have got a friend, Seya who is
obsessed with French House, like obsessed with French House when
I when I get yeah, when she does she loves
the ductuff or when I text her this tonight, she
is just going to fizz forever because her it's just

(01:38:31):
going to reinforce that she has fantastic as you say
and taste. Thank you You've made her night. Enjoy see
you tomorrow.

Speaker 1 (01:38:52):
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