Full Show Podcast: 14 July 2025

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Speaker 1 (00:02):
Digging through the spin friends to find the real story.

Speaker 2 (00:06):
Or here's Ryan Bridge on Heather Duper c Ellen Drive
with one New Zealand let's get connected news talks.

Speaker 3 (00:13):
The'd be good afternoon seven after four, great to have
your company on this Monday afternoon. Our lead interview this evening.
The government is resurrecting ten polytechs from the dead, which
is a big win for the regions. That's our lead
after five Slash and Tasman will look at that. Paul
Gallon on his actual beef with Sonny, Bill Williams Nicola
Willis on the cost of living. Barry Soaper is back

(00:34):
in the building after his opportunity leave. And what is
Trump's big Russia announcement that he's teasing? Is it even
big and is it even real? We'll get to the
bottom of that one.

Speaker 1 (00:44):
Too, Brian Bridge.

Speaker 3 (00:46):
Let's start with Trump this afternoon actually and tariff's and strategy.
Unlike China and the EU, you may have noticed, we've
taken the path of least resistance on Trump's tariffs. We're
basically just bending over and taking whatever rate he slaps
on our exports. Right, that's the plan, the logic. We're

(01:06):
a small country. We need them more than they need us.
Let's just chill out, hope that nobody notices us down
here at the bottom of the Pacific, which so far,
in relative terms, has served us pretty well. Our exporters
are still doing well. A lot of the cost is
actually been borne by the consumer in the US or

(01:26):
by the importers themselves. Now. I asked Chris Luxan about
this a few weeks ago. You know, are we even
trying to negotiate a lower tariff rate than ten percent?
Or we just taking the base rate and be done
with it. He said, We're basically happy with ten percent.
We'll take that. The problem now is this Trump is
talking about fifteen percent or even twenty percent as a

(01:51):
base rate. He raised the idea in an interview with NBC,
and the problem for us about this is twofold one. Well,
is he even serious? We've had big, bold calls from
Trump before with no follow through. Markets read them as
a negotiating tactic. Social media calls them tacos. Trump always
chickens out because he doesn't follow through. But the second

(02:13):
and most important one. If our rate doubles to twenty percent,
then our second largest export market starts to feel a
little shaky a bit squeezed. Twenty percent on our wine
and meat sounds much worse than ten, doesn't it. But
here's why the government's probably made the right calculation. Tariff's

(02:34):
are all relative, aren't they. So unless some other country
which exports loads of wine and meat is looking to
do a better deal than the minimum and succeeds in that,
then our goods won't be any more or less expensive
and relative terms to the rest of the world's. And
so long as that holds true, then the current strategy
is probably on balance. The right one Gray and Bridge time.

(02:56):
It's nine after four. The numbers text student results are
improving in the NCAA numeracy and literacy tests. Mass is
going gangbusters, but reading up only slightly or flat. Same
with So I've got the numbers here for you. Actually,
fifty seven percent of students across all year levels have
passed the numeracy test, sixty one percent past the reading,

(03:19):
and fifty five percent have passed the writing. Now, these
are the tests that all students have to pass before
they can be awarded any level of nca so they
are very important. Erica Stanford is the Ministry of Education
and is with us now. Minister, good afternoon, Good afternoon, Ran.

Speaker 1 (03:35):
How are you I I'm.

Speaker 3 (03:35):
Well, thank you what you'll be pleased with these? Are you?

Speaker 4 (03:39):
Look?

Speaker 5 (03:40):
I'm really proud that I'm a minister who's able to
sit here today and not to have to say, here's
another dot point on the graph of decline. You know,
we've turned the corner. We have a relentless focus on achievement,
on literacy and numerousy hour a day, the clear curriculum,
the standard teaching practices and all the resources we're putting in,

(04:01):
and we are now starting to see these results improving.
We've still got a long way to go, as you
can see.

Speaker 3 (04:07):
Yeah, but yes we do. But the results themselves, on
the face of it, the numeracy results, fifty seven percent
of students achieve the standard across all your levels, up
from forty five percent. That's massive, isn't it.

Speaker 5 (04:20):
Well it's even bigger when you look at the Low
des Sool schools. And I want to do a shout
out to all of those principles and teachers in our
Lower des Sool schools because the same point last year,
less than twenty percent of those kids we're getting across
the line this year. In the same period this year
in May and our results from May it was thirty
four percent. That is massive. They are leading the turnaround

(04:41):
and part of its government investment, but part of it
is the huge emphasis at our schools and are putting
on literacy and numeracy. So they need to be celebrated
for those results.

Speaker 3 (04:50):
Yeah, I wanted to hone in on that one. So
that's like a fifteen percent improvement. How do you do
that in a year. You've said in your statement that
it's down to a particular two point two million dollars
of investment in low decile schools. That's a hell of
a payoff. What exactly is that funding for.

Speaker 5 (05:11):
Look, there's a number of things we did. We didn't
just invest in those young people. And I came out
of at the end of last year and said, look,
we know where these students are, we know the schools
of concern where we need to go and help upscale
their teachers and make sure those students are being targeted
to get additional assistance to get them across the line.
But it's also the focus we've had in the last

(05:32):
eighteen months. All I have talked about is writing, maths,
and achievement an hour a day, getting rid of cell phones,
having an absolute laser focus on that and not focusing
on all the other stuff that doesn't actually shift the dial,
but focusing on this stuff and when you have a
clear focus from the top, schools have responded, and they've
done an enormously enormous amount of work to get across

(05:53):
the line.

Speaker 3 (05:54):
So this wasn't actually about you think less about funding
more just about what people were focusing on.

Speaker 5 (06:00):
Well, it's a bit of both. I mean, we did
put some funding in, and we did go to one
hundred and forty one schools and say, look, you guys
are the ones we've targeted, we've assessed as needing targeted interventions,
and we did invest in those schools and those teachers.
But I think more of it is the fact that
we have had a focus on this. If you look
over the last six years of the previous government, they
defunded maths PLD for goodness sake, it wasn't a priority.

(06:24):
Every breath I take, every word I speak is reading, writing,
maths and achievement. And schools have responded.

Speaker 3 (06:30):
So you mentioned in your statement, you say the government's
two point two million dollar investment in twenty twenty four
to provide targeted support to students in the load dies
style schools has resulted in these achieving these assessment achievements.
What exactly was that money, what did it go to
and when was it paid out?

Speaker 5 (06:50):
It's been ongoing since the end of last year, and
we went to a third party, I believe a third party.
I think it was evaluation Associates or support for those schools.
So they went in and they helped teachers work with
those students who needed additional support and help them with
what that looked like.

Speaker 3 (07:10):
Right, So that was the end of last year, and
already already we're saying that this has had a massive impact.

Speaker 5 (07:19):
I forget the exact date. It wasn't right at the
end of last year. I think it might have been
the beginning of term for I forget the exact date.
But once we saw the results from last year, we
realized we knew the names of all of these children
almost we knew which schools are at. We heat mapped
where they were, and we went to those one hundred
and forty one schools and said, here is a whole
lot of support for you to help get these kids
across the line. But look, that was one of the things.

(07:42):
I still think that that the schools on their own
have done a huge amount of heavy lifting. Even without
the schools who haven't had that funding, they've done a
huge amount of work because of the focus they've had
on reading, writing a mass because it's been a clear
director from this government I think.

Speaker 3 (07:56):
I mean, look, I'm not complaining. I think this is fantastic.
But just if you're a parent out there listening to this,
and you know your kids that are loaded their style school,
you'll be thinking, what on earth so we can get
a fifteen percentage point increase just by telling people that
they should be doing maths.

Speaker 5 (08:12):
No, Well, look there's been a Look, there's been some
other things we did as well. I mean, I've made
it very clear to one of the issues that we
had was the really difficult language and the tale words
that they were using in some of those assessments, the
numerous the assessments, and I said, hey, you need to
make sure that you are translating the word if it's

(08:35):
in today, because we've got a whole lot of English
first language speakers at those schools who are migrant children
or they are their parents are migrants and their English
is their second language, and so we need to make
sure that we are using English words or translating at
least I remember. I remember one teacher said to me,
I had an international student or a migrant student, who said,

(08:56):
who is Manuka and why is he sleeping at the
bottom of the garden when we were talking about it,
Manuka sleeper. Now you and I know what a Manuka
sleeper is, but for a English's second language student, they don't.
So there were some little tweaks there as well to
make sure we're using words that everybody understands. So it's
less about understanding the word and more about the actual
numeracy component as well. But that was only a very

(09:17):
small part of it. I think for most part it
was that the work that teachers and principles have done
with a focus on numeracy in the classroom.

Speaker 3 (09:23):
Okay, interesting, appreciate your time, Minister, Erica Stanford, Education Minister.
It is sixteen after four Jason Pine support.

Speaker 2 (09:29):
Next, it's the Heather Dupussy Alan Drive Full Show podcast
on iHeartRadio powered My News TALKSB.

Speaker 3 (09:37):
News Talks VB. It is eighteen minutes after for Ryan
this is from Murray. I'm sorry, I'm m kiwei. What
is a Manuka sleeper? We did, we did have the
same question when we're talking to the education minister a
moment ago. We'll get to that in a second right now, though.
Jason Pine, sports talk host seven o'clock Tonight News Taloks
vb's with us. Now. Hey Jason, Hello Ryan, good to
have you on so well. Do you think Raiser followed

(09:59):
through one has promised to give the entire squad game
time against the French.

Speaker 6 (10:04):
I think he can now because they've won the series
two nil. Third Test in Hamilton on Saturday night doesn't
matter as far as the series is concerned. Of course,
they're still going to want to win. But yes, I
think he can. I look at there's six players who
haven't featured in the first two tests who are available
for Saturday night in Hamilton, Brody McAllister. Now A hope them, Tyrell, Lomax,
Luke Jacobson, Anton, Lenett Brown and Rubin Love. And yes,

(10:27):
I think the answer is yes, he'll get them all
into the twenty three. How many of them start? Not
too short? Ruben Love I think will probably be one
who starts. Maybe Tyrell Lomax as well. But yeah, it's
a great problem for Scott Robertson to have to try
and mix and match and give a bunch of guys
game time before the really big tests of the year
arrive when they get into the Rugby Championship, particularly when

(10:48):
South Africa arrive here in September and Piney.

Speaker 3 (10:50):
How do you like the Warriors, La Tanner Boyd going
for the title in the absence of Metcalf.

Speaker 6 (10:56):
First evidence yesterday was promising. I think, Ryan, you know,
it's only the West Tigers. Let's not get too carried away.
They're not one of the big guns of the NRAL.
But I think he came in and on his Warrior's debut,
did a really serviceable job. I don't think he tried
to be Luke Metcalf. I just think he did what
he was good at. Not many of us had seen
him before, of course, and I thought he guided the
team around pretty well, kicked his goals and gave a

(11:19):
serviceable performance. Once we get to the back end of
the season, into playoffs and that sort of thing, you know,
maybe we'll have a different answer. But he's got a
few games to get under his belt before we get
to that. So, Yeah, I think it's a fairly optimistic
pass mark for Tanner Boyd in the Warrior seven Jersey.
I'm quite keen to see some more from him brilliant.
Looking forward to that too, Pony, thank you. That's Jason Pine,

(11:40):
sports talk host seven o'clock tonight News Talk semb twenty
one minutes after four. Now, So rather than focusing on
the important thing, which is that our educational achievement is improving,
we're all now worried about what is a manucus sleeper?
I'm guessing I didn't want to interrupt the flow of
what Education Minister Erica Stanford was saying. I also didn't
want to sounds stupid. She said, everyone knows what a

(12:03):
Manuca sleeper is. I'm like, I don't.

Speaker 3 (12:06):
It turns out neither any of you guys don't know whither, Ryan,
what is it. I've lived in this country for seventy
five years, never heard of a Monica. I'm assuming it's
it's a sleeper. You're not like a railway sleeper for
the garden, but made from a manuka tree.

Speaker 7 (12:21):
And you and I are both like first language English
speakers as well, right, Ryan? So apparently, according to the minister.
We're supposed to know this one. So no, I don't
like how chances at the literacy test.

Speaker 3 (12:31):
Know that this should be an easy question for us answer,
but I'm stumped. Twenty one after four in nineteen ninety
two is the numbered text. Barry Soaper is back with
us after news, which is fantastic. After five, we're going
to look talk to Penny Simmons. She's Tertory education, vocational
education and everything education. They are bringing back regional polytechts

(12:52):
to New Zealand. It's all ahead news talk set b.

Speaker 2 (12:56):
Getting the facts, discarding the fluff. It's Ryan Bridge on
Hither Dupi Clan drive with one New Zealand let's get
connected news talks.

Speaker 3 (13:05):
They'd be four twenty four news talks. He'd be Donald
Trump announcing he's going to send some more Patriot missiles
to help Ukraine. He's announced this this afternoon from St.
Andrew's Air Force Space. And the reason he's doing this
is because Ukraine needs a bit of help at the moment,
doesn't it. With the Russians. This is what he had

(13:27):
to say a little earlier. We will send their patriots
which they desperately need because footiny really.

Speaker 8 (13:34):
Surprised a lot of people.

Speaker 1 (13:36):
He talks nice and that he bums.

Speaker 8 (13:38):
Everybody in the evening, But there's a little bit of
a problem there, and I don't.

Speaker 3 (13:42):
Like it on the question of who's paying though, But
the European.

Speaker 9 (13:46):
Union is paying for it.

Speaker 10 (13:47):
We're not paying anything for it, but we will send it.

Speaker 1 (13:49):
It'll be business for us.

Speaker 3 (13:51):
Yeah. This is significant because he's basically saying, and this
is not just with the defensive missiles, which is what
the patriots are, but with potentially offensive missiles that he's
looking at sending, gonna sell them to NATO, and then
NATO gets them to Ukraine, and thereby he gets around
the America first problem that he's got with his magabase

(14:13):
of funding endlessly funding wars abroad. He hasn't actually approved
a military aid package for Ukraine yet, and he's got
another announcement coming sometime in the next twenty four hours. Talkers,
he will sell weapons, the offensive ones, not just the
defensive ones like the one we've just described. But he's

(14:33):
having a bit of a problem, isn't he. With Potin's
he thought he could come in and he could negotiate
with Putin have a ceasefire in the war in Ukraine,
everyone would walk away happy. Hasn't worked out that way,
has it? So another announcement pending. And this is all
basically just Trump frustrated with Potin giving him nothing, not
even an inch. And you know how close are they

(14:56):
to a cease fire? Well, no closer than when his
presidency started. So twenty six minutes after four, you're a
News Talks Ryan Bridge. Now back to sleepergate. This is
the most interesting thing that's happening this afternoon. Everybody seems
to be of the opinion that the Minister meant to
say macrocarper sleeper, not Manuka sleeper, which would make more sense.

(15:19):
Ryan trying to get a sleeper out of a Manuka
tree wouldn't make any sense. They're too small, which is
the point that Laura, our producer point made when the
minister was on earlier. Anyway, there you go, mystery sold
twenty seven after four. News Talks edb.

Speaker 2 (15:40):
Pudding the challenging questions to the people at the heart
of the story. It's Ryan Bridge on hither duple see
allan drive with one New Zealand let's get connected, News
Talks B.

Speaker 1 (15:52):
He said, Hi, nice to meet you too.

Speaker 11 (15:55):
Nogle good afternoon twenty five away from the five News
Talk there'd be Barry sober Is back in the building
and will join us in about ten minutes time talk politics.

Speaker 3 (16:06):
Also, we're going to look this afternoon, actually after six thirty,
we're going to look at the one size fits all
home designs. This is a couple of organizations come out reckon.
They can save you sixty grand off the cost of
a two betty new build. So we'll look at that.
How true that is? After six thirty this evening, it's.

Speaker 1 (16:25):
The World Wires on news Dogs.

Speaker 3 (16:27):
He'd be drive the U are sending more weapons to Ukraine.
Trump's saying he's also open to putting more sanctions on Russia.

Speaker 7 (16:34):
They are very disappointed with President who I thought he
was somebody that's meant what he said.

Speaker 6 (16:42):
And you're doctor so beautifully and then I'll bum people
at night.

Speaker 3 (16:46):
We don't like that. Ten people, most of them children,
have been killed in an Israeli strike on a water
collection point in Gaza. The IDF says the missile was
fired at a militant, but it hit the water collection
point instead because of a quote technical era. He is
a local hospital worker.

Speaker 12 (17:01):
We treated seventeen patients, including seven children. The patients suffered
from various injuries, including splinters and fractures. We are certainly
experiencing a health crisis and a shortage of medical and
health resources due to the stapling blockade on the Gaza Strip.

Speaker 3 (17:18):
And finally this afternoon.

Speaker 1 (17:22):
When they come forward.

Speaker 3 (17:23):
A woman in Arizona was shocked when the police showed
up at her front door with a pizza. Brandy had
ordered the pizza on a food delivery app, but her
delivery driver had got himself pulled over and arrested for
dangerous driving. After they made their arrest, the police officers
decided they'd be to complete the delivery themselves. They managed
to get the pizza to Brandy before it got cold.

Speaker 2 (17:45):
International correspondence with Ends and Eye Insurance Peace of Mind
for New Zealand.

Speaker 3 (17:50):
Business Day two of Elbow's tripped to China and Oliver
Peterson's six PR Perth Livee presenters with us HELI, Hey, Ryan,
how's it going for him?

Speaker 13 (18:00):
Good?

Speaker 14 (18:00):
He's had a big press conference just a short time
ago where he said decarbonization and free trade are going
to be the two main areas he hopes to discuss
with the Chinese President Xijing Ping. They're set to catch
up tomorrow morning. He's looking forward to a constructive conversation
and he had standing next to him today Andrew Forrest

(18:20):
of ford Eskew Metals. They're part of a trade talk,
part of a trade meeting about trying to put the
pressure on Chinese steelmakers about decarbonizing their steelmaking process. Let's
be blunt, Ryan, and I'm going to listen to an
Australian businessman or the Australian Prime minicy and do whatever
they want to do. And this comes in the background

(18:41):
of a bit of pressure coming from the Pentagon about
Anthony Albanizi being in China at the moments and whether
the Orcus is up for discussion, and also whether or
not he is going to be battering away a few
questions at the moment about the future of Taiwan. So
you expect these sort of diplomatic pressures to be applied
when the Australian Prime Minister is currently in China, But

(19:03):
at the moment it's all smiles from Italy.

Speaker 3 (19:06):
It's fascinating that because the reporters are going, will you
follow America into a war against China over Taiwan? While
he's in Shanghai. He's handling going to turnaround and say, yeah,
I go, well, I don't even know what for at
this point, or you know who's joining us exactly.

Speaker 14 (19:21):
And he's been asked about the port of Darwin contract
as an example, which he has previously said we'll come
back into Australian ownership, and that he's being told that
a you know, prominent blogger or some social media star
in China is saying, if you know Australia, does this
sylbe dire consequences for Australia. I mean he's just responded
by saying, I'm not sure who the blogger is, but
governments can't respond in policy terms to every time an

(19:43):
article is written, a tweet or a blog and change
their position. So yeah, it's an interesting environment, isn't it. Ryan.

Speaker 3 (19:48):
Now the Aussie Treasury sounds a bit like, how's that
saying put taxes up? Yeah they are.

Speaker 14 (19:54):
They've accidentally leaked this treasury advice saying that we should
be putting up taxes which would be slashing spending. This
was advice provided to the Albaneze governed after the election.
It accidentally released this information in responsible freedom of information
requests before pleading with the journalists to go and destroy
the document. I mean, you're not going to go and
destroy that, are you. They said tax should be raised

(20:15):
as part of a broader tax reform, and it suggested
that the ambitious targets pledged by the Prime Minister to
build another one point two million homes over the next
five years to address the housing crisis will not be met.

Speaker 1 (20:26):
Now.

Speaker 14 (20:26):
I mean, there's a few boffins in Treasury who've made
that comment, but you could have asked anybody in Australia
right now. They're so far behind those targets. It's not
coming as a big surprise. And you know they don't
want to raise taxes again. This smiling for me.

Speaker 7 (20:38):
We are Treasurer of Jim Chalmers out today. We'll meet
those targets.

Speaker 3 (20:41):
Everything's find Australia. Australia is good. There's something to see here.
Ryan Boo's not so good apparently. Well there's a push
to have cancer risk labels on bottles of booze.

Speaker 14 (20:52):
Yeah, and this is this is actually a trend which
is actually happening around the world. But the Cancer Council
here in Australia is starting to fire this one up
and suggesting that every single bottle of alcohol that's sold
in this country should come with a cancer warning, much
like they do in Australia at the moment about the
risks in regards to pregnancy if you're going to be drinking,
And we now have obviously printed on the side of

(21:14):
a cigarette of each single legal cigarette sold, although more
illegal cigarettes are being.

Speaker 3 (21:18):
Sold the legal cigarettes, the.

Speaker 14 (21:19):
Dangers that could be doing to your body in the
cancer risks associated with it.

Speaker 3 (21:22):
So the evidence is clear.

Speaker 14 (21:25):
Saying that kiss starm at the UK Prime Minister said
it's urgently needed over there to help save lives, so
we should be doing something similar. It's getting a bit
of a lukewarm response, a bit like a flat beer
at the moment. There's not much interest in this country
to be putting even more labeling on our beers and
our bottles are wine. But I'm sure it'll happen eventually, Ryan,
And you know, that's just what the public health lobby groups.

Speaker 7 (21:46):
Like to promote.

Speaker 3 (21:47):
Just the way the world goes, isn't it, Ollie, thank you?
Does it stop us drinking beer?

Speaker 1 (21:51):
Probably not?

Speaker 3 (21:52):
Olive OLLI pedison with ours six pr pers life present
to time as nineteen away from.

Speaker 1 (21:56):
Five Bryant Bridge.

Speaker 3 (21:57):
Here there is arendid storage in the rounds today about
our alcohol guidelines, stating that we're understating the health risks
of drinking beer and wine and any form of booze. Basically,
so our drinking guidelines say that we should stick to
low risk drinking. Men should have no more than fifteen

(22:18):
standard drinks a week. Women you're allowed ten, which is
sexist from the outset, but we'll overlook that for a second.
The maximum number of drinks recommended per week and Canada
is two, Australia ten and in the UK fourteen. So
we are we're allowed more than anyone else, which that's

(22:40):
why you come and live in New Zealand, isn't it.
That's one of the things we've got going for us.
But fifteen drinks a week? Is that all at once?
You know it is for me, and that's just Friday,
isn't it. But rather if you spread it over, presumably
better for your body to spread it over the world
week than just all at once.

Speaker 7 (23:01):
We'll probably better for your body not to do it
in the first moment, that's the point.

Speaker 3 (23:04):
That's true. God, you wouldn't want to live in Canada.

Speaker 1 (23:07):
Two.

Speaker 3 (23:09):
They do have legal marijuana there, don't they. So they're
probably all off their rockers on cannabis, i'd imagine, and
two bears will do them. Eighteen away from five. Barry
soaper back.

Speaker 2 (23:19):
Next politics was centric credit, check your customers and get
payment certainty.

Speaker 3 (23:24):
News talk, said b. Barry Soapas back in the building, Barry,
good afternoon.

Speaker 9 (23:28):
Well, I left the building three months ago, Ryan, and
it seems as though honestly sitting here that have never
been away.

Speaker 3 (23:35):
Well, I was thinking I was here filling in for
Hither when you left. It's right, there's a weird little
merry go round.

Speaker 9 (23:41):
She was doing the parental leave then, and I was
doing it the last three months. And I've got to
say I loved it. I loved it with a three
year old and a little one now was six months. Fantastic.
And I'd recommend to any mail if they can do it,
do it, because you get much more out of it
than you would ever think you would get.

Speaker 3 (24:01):
You're not worn out, best.

Speaker 9 (24:03):
No, I just love it, even though you do get
worn out. I really love it.

Speaker 3 (24:07):
Yeah, nice Hey, the government is bringing reviving back from
the dead. Polytechs ten of them will return from January first.

Speaker 9 (24:15):
It's incredible, isn't it really when you think to Pukinga
was Chris Hopkin's brainchild, and you know he went on
and on about it. It was going to come under
one governing body run from Wellington, and that's what happened,
of course, and it was set up, no doubt, at
great expense. I haven't got the numbers in front of me,
but now we're going to have regional polytechs back again.

(24:38):
There used to be sixteen or now be ten. So
there'll be a few that will fall by the wayside,
noe up merge with others. But the Prime Minister he
outlined the rationale for the restored regionally governed polytechs.

Speaker 15 (24:51):
Here he is well mean that decisions once again are
made closer to the people that they affect. And that's
what regional strength looks like, not decisions headed down to
them from Wellington, but real input from local leaders, local
employers and local educators. Let me be clear, this isn't
just about structures. It's about outcomes, better outcomes for the
more than two hundred and fifty thousand students participating in

(25:12):
vocational education each and every year. These changes are designed
to make the system more flexible, more financially sustainable, and
more relevant to the employment opportunities available in each region.

Speaker 9 (25:23):
I think that last point is the main point that
employers have been complaining that people are going through Polytech
and they're not being they're not studying what is required
in the region. I mean, like the Otago Polytech had
home brewing. Now you and I would have loved to
have gone to that, that course that had her pop
at one stage somewhere as well, I seem to remember.

Speaker 3 (25:45):
And the other problem they had with tapuoking is you
go and market these these politechs to the world and
no one knows what tapooking is, you know, so they
have this problem of what the hell is that.

Speaker 9 (25:55):
It's good for the international student drive.

Speaker 3 (25:57):
Exactly fantastic. Hey, the UN being accused of hearing in
our sovereignty.

Speaker 9 (26:01):
Well yeah, and I think I think David Seymour is
right in this. I mean I looked today and I thought,
you know, this greater morphous body that you've been to
I've been too many times at the UN General Assembly.
I mean, you know, you look at it and you
think this is such a bath structure. Well, it's fast,
all right, because I looked up how many employees the

(26:21):
UN has. It's got wait for it, one hundred and
thirty thousand thousand employees around the world. But in New
York alone, at the secretariat there they have about the
size of the population of Upper Hut. Thirty seven thousand
people are working there. In New Zealand, we contribute about

(26:43):
fifty million dollars a year, but it was New Zealand.
Of course, that can take some blame for the UN,
not for the way it's totally impotent at the moment,
but it can take some blame because we were one
of the original founders of the United Nations in nineteen
forty eight when it was set up. But the point
is that a special rapperteur has written to the government

(27:04):
a chapter the name of Albert bah Room, and he
said he's concerned about the Regulatory Standards Bill. He said
it threatens Moldy specific laws and addresses structural inequalities and
he says, for example, land language and environmental stewardship are
all at risk because of this bill. Well, basically, David

(27:26):
Seymour says, mind your own bloody business, don't involve yourself
and our sovereignty and you know, we don't have to
sign up to any indigenous people's rights and in fact,
even though we've signed it, we don't have to implement it.
By Lord John Key talk long and hard about that
when he was Prime Minister. And I think mister Bahroom

(27:50):
should become more familiar with what New Zealand and what
our status is when it comes to the UN.

Speaker 3 (27:55):
Also, you know, there's one big job and it's world peace.
Maybe focus on that.

Speaker 9 (28:01):
Tell Donald Trump not to not to continue his bombing.

Speaker 3 (28:05):
Same with Now we've got a date for the by election, Yeah,
September the.

Speaker 9 (28:08):
Sixth, and I'm heartened by the fact that. And I
don't know her at all, but a former journalist and
broadcaster Irene Kaypera. You remember she got into some trouble
for wearing a mochu or she got it done and
some people were saying she shouldn't be presenting the news.
I think she was working for TV three for a
while at the time.

Speaker 3 (28:27):
She was here. She was at TV and ZI when
the when the complaints rolled out about the time, and
then she moved to TV three. I worked with her
for a couple of years. Yes, absolutely brilliant woman.

Speaker 9 (28:39):
Well, I'm heartened by the fact that she's going if
she does get to represent it, and I have my
doubts about that. You think he is back in the
race and.

Speaker 3 (28:48):
He lost Penny, Well, he penies, sorry to you, that's.

Speaker 9 (28:55):
Exactly toes come out of the depth recession of the
Far North. But no, so yeah, hanare Penny? Henare he's
going to stand? He only lost the seat by forty
two votes the last time he had held it for
more than a decade, So look, she's going to have
a better trouble. But if she does get in, let's

(29:17):
hope she can breathe some media sense into the Maldi
party and tell them what they should and shouldn't be
doing when it comes to public perception.

Speaker 3 (29:26):
She's a really steady pair of hair, like she's not.
She's not one to get carried away with emotion. She
wouldn't be one to be following the co leaders into
the depths of a protest or test. Yeah, I actually
think it would be really interesting to see how. I
hope that she does win, just because I like her
and she's a friend.

Speaker 9 (29:47):
Don't you like Penny?

Speaker 3 (29:48):
He's all right, he's a right but I like order anymore.
But I'd just be really interested to see what the
multi party Malori would look like with her sort of
you know, at the front of it. Yeah, it's a
completely different.

Speaker 9 (30:01):
It's a beautiful woman, that's what you're trying to say
she is.

Speaker 3 (30:04):
She's a beautifuloman. She's got a really good heart. Yes, good, Hey,
I'm good to see your very faces. So you doo
very Soper politics every day here on news Talk CREDB.
It's eight to five.

Speaker 2 (30:14):
Putting the tough questions to the newspeakers, the mic asking.

Speaker 16 (30:18):
Breakfast, we have Prime Minister Christopher Luxan, what are you
going to do about the brain drain? It's eighteen months then, right,
so I feel like at this stage they are leaving
because you haven't changed things yet.

Speaker 15 (30:27):
Well, we're dealing with the biggest recessions we've had since
the early nineties.

Speaker 3 (30:30):
That's been clear about.

Speaker 15 (30:31):
It's been worse than the GFC.

Speaker 16 (30:32):
But apart from the slogans, what have you actually done? Absolutely,
you gave the tax concession and the budget.

Speaker 15 (30:37):
Well he's amazing, right, If you really care about people
in low and middle income working news illiness, you run
the economy well, so you don't increase government spending.

Speaker 3 (30:43):
Eighty four percent that drives inflation to seven point.

Speaker 1 (30:45):
We haven't really increased it very much.

Speaker 3 (30:47):
Have you.

Speaker 15 (30:47):
Well, we have actually we've actually saved twenty three billion
dollars last year, twenty one billion this year.

Speaker 2 (30:52):
Heather Dupe for see Ellen on the Mic Hosking Breakfast
back tomorrow at six am with the land Rover Discovery
on News Talks.

Speaker 3 (30:59):
End the News Talks, there'd be it's five minutes away
from five. Paul Gallon and sunny Bill Williams have been
going at it like you know, hell for leather at
a press conference today. Will speak to Paul Gallen after five.
He is going to be joining us from Australia ahead
of their fight. Also, Penny Simmons, Tertiary Education Minister. They're
resurrecting the regional polytechs, not all of them, as Barrier

(31:21):
said to us earlier, but ten of them will be resurrected,
and too Pookinger will be put to bed, so we'll
talk to her about why what how much that's going
to cost. You know, once you set up to Pokinger,
how many millions is that? And then you just established
a poking how many millions is that? And are these organizations,
these regional politics actually in the space and got the

(31:44):
capacity to revive themselves by January first, which is the
date that they have set.

Speaker 1 (31:48):
Now.

Speaker 3 (31:49):
I always look at this Wall Street Journal survey. It's
a quarterly survey of forecasters. It's like the forecasters forecast
of the economy. It's like the pole of polls that
we have here in New Zealand. So our survey that
they did was peak Liberation Day Mayhem with Trump and
his tariffs. Since then, all the forecasters, all the pundits
have calmed the farm a little bit, which is good news.

(32:11):
They're now predicting in the latest quarterly update, stronger growth
than they did last one, lower recession risk than they
did the last one, lower inflation risk than they did
the last one, which is all good for the US economy,
which means all good for the global economy, but still
not better than pre trade war. So GDP they reckon
will be up one percent in quarter four. That's an

(32:32):
increase from point eight in April, but half of what
they expected in January. Same goes for probability of recession
and the next twelve months thirty three percent they reckon.
That's down from forty five percent in April. That's good,
but still higher than what they predicted in January, which
was just twenty two percent. So basically the world not
as mad as they thought it was last quarter when

(32:54):
Trump announced the tariffs, but not as good as it
was the one before that. Three to five News talks'll
be Pennyman's after.

Speaker 13 (33:00):
News Questions, Answers, facts analysis, the drive show you trust

(33:34):
for the full picture.

Speaker 1 (33:35):
Brian Bridge on Heather dup c Allen Drive with One
New Zealand Let's Get Connected.

Speaker 3 (33:40):
News Talks at B seven After five News Talks, Aid B.
The government's returning ten polytechnics into local hands from next year.
It's the latest move to unwind the previous government centralized
mega institute that was tapooking. You might have heard of it.
It's going from January first, Southern Institute of Technology, why
Cutter Institute of Technology, un Tech, Institute of Technology and

(34:02):
Otago among others will return. Penny Simmons is the Minister
for Vocational Education. Minister, good evening, Good evening, Ryan. So
we did the topooking a thing because the politics weren't working,
and now we're undoing that and the polytechs are back
why will they work this time?

Speaker 17 (34:18):
Well, many of them were working, but there was financial
work that needed to be undertaken. We've done that. We've
had financial advisors in with each of the polytechnics over
the last year plotting a pathway to financial viability. They
are now following that pathway. These ten that are going
to be stood up of following that pathway to viability.
This is work that should have happened five or six

(34:40):
years ago. It's happened now and they are getting rid
of the wasteful spending. They are getting themselves back on
track to be sustainable.

Speaker 3 (34:48):
What were they spending money on?

Speaker 17 (34:51):
Oh, look at was really looking through their course offerings
where they are offering things that didn't have enough students
in them, so the programs weren't viable and so having
to work through or that in some instances down as
low as two or three people in the course and
they were still running them.

Speaker 3 (35:09):
How many univers how many politics were doing that?

Speaker 17 (35:12):
Oh, that would be quite wide ranging across the polytech system.
So that sort of work had to be done. It
should have always been done in the polytechnics that were
financially viable. It was being done as a matter of course,
but some that had got themselves in trouble just weren't
in that financial discipline.

Speaker 3 (35:32):
We're paying attention. So have you written it into the
rules that that cannot happen? You know? Do they have
to constantly review and if there are classes with two
or three people in them then they must cancel.

Speaker 17 (35:44):
So what's written into the legislation is that if polytechnics
are not financially sustainable, there are there is provision for
mergers and closures. So they have been given these pathways
to financial viability. They've been worked through with financial advisors
and the senior management team. They will have local councils appointed,

(36:07):
local management appoint it. It's up to them to make
sure they stick the par.

Speaker 3 (36:11):
When's when you say when they get viable? When is
that for all of them?

Speaker 17 (36:16):
Look, most of them it's next year. It's next year
or twenty twenty seven. There's some that have got a
very small death sit next year, but most next year
or twenty seven.

Speaker 3 (36:25):
What's it cost us taxpayer all up to go full
to pooking and then unwind.

Speaker 17 (36:30):
Look it cost well, the previous government spent over three
hundred million on it. We are using money that is
in reserves in tapooking at plus a small one or
small a contingency fund that the Minister of Finance has
made available.

Speaker 3 (36:48):
Would you say, Minister, that's three hundred million dollars down the.

Speaker 17 (36:51):
Drain pretty much wasted. Yes, because there's nothing to see
for it. They didn't do the work getting their financial pathways.
They didn't do the work in selling off assets that
aren't needed. There's over one hundred million dollars worth of
assets that aren't needed that will be sold off over
the next couple of years. That's part of that financial

(37:13):
viability pathway. You shouldn't have more assets than you need
to have.

Speaker 3 (37:18):
Okay, minister, appreciate your time. Penny Simmons, Minister for Vocational Education.
Three hundred million dollars a lot of money, isn't it.
Ten After five rich Chairsman District flooding and now Slash
massive landslides causing widespread destruction. You would have seen the
images on your TV, on your phone, tons of logs
creating a dam and flooding people's homes. This is particularly

(37:38):
bad in Nazi Morti a resident. There's Steff Jewelers with me.
Now Hi steffuh hi man, Hello, Hello, good to have
you on the phone, Tell me what's it been like
this time.

Speaker 18 (37:51):
I haven't been here all day. For the afternoon, I've
been helping dig mud out of my neighbor's garage. And
I know that not far away there are people with
large and small machines digging mud from other people's gardens
and livelihoods, and we're all just doing what we fail.

(38:15):
And on the medium scale, the local pine industry, which
I think as Tasman pine, has been clearing some of
those log gems sort of further up the little streams
that I live up, and so it's all happening. As
soon as I wake, it's the sound of machinery.

Speaker 3 (38:32):
And this is not the first time you had the
same problem with Geta.

Speaker 18 (38:37):
Oh yes, and before that in the early nineties, might
have been nineteen ninety with Cyclone Bola. The area the
Moderiker Valley is famous for its particular kind of loose
granite called separation point granite. Bloom here is that it
should never have a monocrop of pine plantation on the

(38:58):
steeper slopes. Were not against the pine plantation, but it
shouldn't be on those steeper slopes.

Speaker 3 (39:04):
Have you spoken? You said that there was one of
the pine companies there today help and clean up. Well,
do you speak to them about it? What do they say?

Speaker 18 (39:13):
No, I haven't spoken to them about it. You know,
they're very helpful around here. They've been up the top
of Greenhole Road before because it keeps on coming down
when we get a big rain. I mean, it's not
a it's a very multifaceted problem. The pine forest is
one part of the problem, and the huge rains which

(39:34):
are increasing with global warming are another part of the problem.

Speaker 3 (39:38):
Steve, how do people feel in Nati Multi today, todde.

Speaker 18 (39:44):
Well, I think very glad to have had a sunny day,
exhausted from the massive effort of helping each other that
everybody is making. You know that all the people who
are around here, everyone's been helping each other and this
is the lovely time we get to know each other
in politics don't matter. The color of your stripe is
irrelevant at this time.

Speaker 3 (40:05):
Steph. Appreciate you coming on the program and explaining that
to us. Keep up the hard work. Steff Juell is
a resident of Nati Molti, which has been hit by
slash again thirteen after five news talks there. B Sonny
Bill Williams Paul Gallon, Is it real? You know, the
back and forth, the brew haha, that he's taking drugs.
I'm going to smash his lights out. I mean, I'm

(40:26):
sure they do want to smash each other's lights out,
But how much do they really hate each other? Paul
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work for everyone. Ryan brich Chek update on Torrifaro ray Chang,
the whole weird email situation that we spoke about on Friday.
So basically the hero runs a story saying there was
an email sent from ray Chang to three other counselors
private email address by the way, but a couple of
years ago that talks about Tory Faro, a rumor going

(41:59):
around Tory Farna having some wild sex and some potential
drug taking. Anyway, this gets leaked to the Herald. Ray
Chung then in the firing line, and actually we spoke
to him on Friday. This was part of the interview
which was in relation to the alleged drug taking and Orgys.

(42:19):
You ever had any drugs all done on the orgy's ray?
Oh never, Sadley, would you like to have Well, the
opportunity has never been there. So just weird, right, Just
the weirdest interview I've ever conducted. And today the fallout continues.

(42:39):
Wellington City Council's Crown Observer. You know, the government appoints
the crowd Observer to sort out the council. They he
is involved raising it with the local government minister's office.
So we've got a minister's office involved in this story
now and the CEO of Wellington City Council investigating a
possible code of conduct breach. Good luck Wellington, nineteen after five,

(43:04):
Bryan Bridge. Now the countdown is onto the big fight
between Sonny Bill Williams and Paul Gallon. It's this Wednesday.
Things already got heated during a press conference today in
which Sonny Bill accused Paul Gallon of being a drugs cheat,
and Paul Gallan hit back by calling Sonney Bell a scumbag.
Paul Gallon is with us from Sydney. Hello, how may
they ask?

Speaker 10 (43:25):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (43:25):
Good, Hey, what's gonna happen with this fight?

Speaker 8 (43:30):
Sorry made cop arm man. I'm to win. I've been
trained to hard, prepared well and got to get out
there on the night and did I trying to do?
And but I do that, I'll win.

Speaker 3 (43:39):
Do you do you guys really hate each other?

Speaker 8 (43:42):
Yeah? I understand there's no mission, there's nothing made about this.
We don't like each other at all. And yeah, I
can't see even as will fight us ever breaking bread.
So that's wise.

Speaker 3 (43:53):
Because I interviewed Sunny Bill Williams a couple or maybe
a month ago now, and he sort of said it
was Siriah. But then I didn't really know whether to
take him seriously or not. It's not all an act.

Speaker 8 (44:05):
No, there's no acting going on or not.

Speaker 3 (44:07):
We don't like you to what don't you like about him?

Speaker 8 (44:12):
Oh, we're going to sound like, well, he's done in
the past as far as you're walking down the bulldogs
and I stand, he's way from his last I know
he was young man at the time, but then I
think you look at the preparation for his fight and
what's having his fight again. He's done what he wanted
to do by making a timing around. So rather than
a bit of honor and respect for the sport, he
just does what suits him. So he hasn't changed it
all as a person.

Speaker 3 (44:33):
What about the drugs? He keeps going on, You've got
drugs in your system? What's that about?

Speaker 8 (44:38):
They have to ask him, But there's no drugs in
my system made I'm not quite happy to get rug
tests at any stage.

Speaker 3 (44:43):
Does it make you more fired up when you hear
him talk like that?

Speaker 10 (44:47):
No?

Speaker 8 (44:47):
Nothing, nothing, Nothing he says makes you fight up or
bothers me emotionally at all. This is a business to me,
and now I thought he is on Wednday Night's a
business and I'm going to get him there do the
job of trying to do and get paid and go.

Speaker 3 (44:59):
On, what do you get paid for something like that?

Speaker 8 (45:02):
That's my business, not yours.

Speaker 3 (45:05):
People want to know, though, don't they.

Speaker 8 (45:07):
No one's really asking you have a first person, that's
what we're getting paid?

Speaker 3 (45:11):
Really?

Speaker 9 (45:12):
Yeah?

Speaker 19 (45:12):
Sure?

Speaker 3 (45:13):
Okay? Well are you getting getting paid the same? Is
it even stevens the percentage?

Speaker 8 (45:18):
But even yet?

Speaker 3 (45:20):
Okay, so you'll both be rich.

Speaker 8 (45:25):
Who knows if it sells, well, we'll do.

Speaker 3 (45:27):
Ak okay, all right, Paul, appreciate you coming on the show.
Paul Gallon, Australian former rugby league player, apparently going to
Knox something Bill Williams for six You can watch the
fight sky Arena or Sky Sport now pay per view
to make these guys loaded even more loaded this Wednesday
nine twenty one minutes after five. You know, when you
go when you're driving along and a bus pulls out

(45:49):
of a bus stop in front of you, is that
legal or not? I have some words on that.

Speaker 1 (45:54):
Next checking the point of the story.

Speaker 2 (45:58):
It's Ryan Bridge on hither to see Ellen drive with
one New Zealand let's get connected and news talks, they'd
be five.

Speaker 3 (46:05):
Twenty four on news talks, they'd be put your hand up.
If you have ever had a bus suddenly pull out
in front of your car while you're driving along the
road minding your own beeswax. It's a stupid thing to
say because I can't see your hand, obviously, but I'm
assuming you are putting your hand in the air right now.
It's happened to everyone. They're quite long things, aren't they buses,

(46:25):
So you can be halfway past one when they pull
out all of a sudden you're slamming on your brakes,
or worse, more dangerous, they're pushing you into the wrong
lane into oncoming traffic. Now I don't mind admitting that
until this morning, I had assumed that buses must have
had the right of way.

Speaker 1 (46:46):
You know.

Speaker 3 (46:46):
They quite take no prisoners, have no mercy, ruthless as
the Abs against the French at the Caketon on Saturday night.
But I was reading an article this morning from the
spin Off about a bunch of changes to road rules
that Chris Bishop is going to enact. Once to act
One of them is giving buses right of way when
they're exiting bus stops, so if you're driving a car,

(47:08):
you must give way yield. The theory is buses carry
more passengers. If we prioritize buses, more people get them,
productivity increases, blah blah blah. And you know what, I
can understand that. In fact, I can get on board
with that. It makes sense. I sort of thought it
was the rule anyway, so I'm not really that bothered
by it, to be honest with you. It's out for

(47:28):
consultation that by the way. But if we mostarists are
going to do something nice for the buses, then I
want something in return. I want those stupid green bus
lanes that sit empty for most of the day is
the traffic piles up around. I want them back. I
want those bus lanes back for US car users. I

(47:50):
want us to reclaim the road for people who are
actually using it at the time that they're using it.
I understand the need for the rush hour, you know,
the peak hour bus lanes, but I don't understand why
they must be bus lanes twenty four seven when they're
one not being used by buses and two causing massive delays,
inconvenience and lost productivity to everybody else on the road.

(48:13):
The default position is that bus lanes are twenty four
seven unless they're signposted otherwise. And the one in particular
that really rips MI ninety is in central Auckland and
most of them they are twenty four to seven. So
I do to know is this just me? Does anybody
else have this problem? Or am I just another selfish
motorist fuming in midday traffic Ranbridge News Talks HEDB twenty

(48:36):
seven after five nine two nine two is the number
of the text? Love your views on that one? Yeah,
Chris Bishop, I was quite surprised. There's a few changes,
he announcing back in June. This was one of them,
and they're out for consultation. I think we'll be consulting
through till twenty twenty six, a decision by midnext year.
Josie b BEGANI Trisherson on the huddle after news News

(48:57):
Talks EDB.

Speaker 2 (49:20):
After making the news, the newsmakers talk to Ryan first.
It's Ryan Bridge on hither duplessy Ellen drive with one
New Zealand let's get connected news talks.

Speaker 20 (49:31):
They'd be.

Speaker 1 (49:35):
Coming please Uncle Polish.

Speaker 3 (49:45):
Good evening twenty five away from six year. On news talks,
they'd been Nichola Willis, Finance Minister. You know who she is.
What's happening with the cost of living? Still quite expensive,
isn't it? What have they actually done about it? We'll
ask her those questions after six this evening, and Joseph
Guarni and Trish Huson are on the huddle in just
a few moments time. Stay tuned, Brian Bridge, it's tough

(50:07):
to be a young job seeker right now. Sixteen percent
of the fifteen to twenty four year olds in New
Zealand currently out of work, sixteen percent. Gen Z economist
Brad Olsen from Informetric spoke to Nick Mills about this
issue on news talks. They'd be Wellington Mornings earlier today.

Speaker 7 (50:22):
We know that if you're under thirty, your job chances,
your job opportunities are just so much more heavier hits
than any other part of the economy.

Speaker 3 (50:31):
Mark Giller, director of the New Zealand Careers expot with me. Now, Hey, Mark, Hey,
how are you right? Yeah? Good, thank you, Good to
have you on the program. How tough is it out
How tough is it out there for people? Young people.

Speaker 19 (50:43):
Oh, look, it's obviously very tough. I mean, there's a
lot of things going on out there for young people
to navigate these days.

Speaker 3 (50:50):
And who I mean, is there anything that they could
be doing better or is it just market conditions.

Speaker 19 (50:57):
Look, market conditions aren't helping obviously those It's that Brad
quoted earlier on today they show a pretty tough environment.
But I mean it's never been particularly easy for young people.
They need to lean on the resources that are out
there to help them navigate their way through. I know
Brad made the comment it's not the fault of young
people that it's so tough these days. But while it's

(51:19):
not necessarily anybody's fault, the owners is certainly there on employers,
on industry organizations to engage with young people these days.
You know, there's been a propensity to step back and
let the internet that we'll be talking, but we know
face to face engagement with young people is what really
inspires them. That's what helps them connect and know what

(51:41):
their options are. That's where we put so much emphasis
and so much work into things like the career expos
that have been running across the country. You know, we've
been operating for thirty three years. Every year there's a
new cohort of young people coming through much the same
questions on their lips every time, but they need to
talk to somebody. That's where the owners comes back on
to us to connect and help guide and inspire them.

Speaker 3 (52:04):
Chat GPT you a good idea for your CV.

Speaker 19 (52:06):
Mark, Well, they're helpful tools just to save, as the
calculator was when that first came in. But I think
people still want to see the personality of each individual
come through. So they've definitely got to make use of
those new AI tools that are there, but they've still
got to let their own personalities come through. Know who
they're talking to and what they're saying, what they're looking for,

(52:28):
how best to engage.

Speaker 3 (52:29):
Yeah, because only the other problem of course with chat
GPT is once you get into the office and start talking,
they'll soon work out that it wasn't you that wrote
the CV. Mark. Appreciate your time, Mark Gillard, as the
director of the New Zealand Careers exposed It's twenty two
to six The Huddle.

Speaker 2 (52:44):
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Speaker 3 (52:50):
Tris Jison Huson Willis PR with us tonight, Good evening, Trish,
good evening. Ryan Jersey BEGANI here too, see child fund.
Hey JC, he hate good to see. Probably a long
time since you guys have had to apply for a job.
That was a big pause. I don't know.

Speaker 21 (53:05):
I'm getting to that middle aged stage of life where
if you do apply for a job, you're immediately just
cast aside because you're too old.

Speaker 20 (53:13):
There No, I feel.

Speaker 19 (53:16):
Like I am.

Speaker 3 (53:16):
But you know when you did get your go for
your first jobs, and know when you were younger, how
did you do it? Josie hustled?

Speaker 21 (53:24):
And I think if you look at kids today and
they are really struggling. I mean, my kids are all
going overseas, they've gone to Australia, get higher wages, better jobs.
But I employ a lot of kids too, a lot
of young not kids, young adults in the early twenties.
And what I look for is is that is attitude, hustle,
you know, a real kind of drive, come in there

(53:46):
and go beyond your job description. Because all the other
stuff you've got a twenty year old or twenty one
year old without experience. You can teach all of that,
but you can't teach that attitude and that kind of
go get hustle. And I've got one great young person
at the moment in my office.

Speaker 18 (54:04):
Louise.

Speaker 21 (54:05):
I'm thinking about you, and it's great because you went
to school with my son, my youngest son, so I
get to spy on his Instagram every now and then
the boss says, open my son's Instagram.

Speaker 3 (54:14):
She's going to do it, Trish. What about you? I mean,
when you're hire, because you've always got a business yourself.
When you're hiring, what is it that you're looking for?
I mean, if young people out there are serious about
getting a job and it is a hard market, what
puts you out ahead.

Speaker 22 (54:29):
I have had two incredible young women come to see
me this year to talk about the finishing undergrad degrees
or one was finishing a master's. And that's one of
the lovely things about getting to this agent stage in
your career is often people want to come and chat
about what to do. And I have to say, those

(54:50):
two young women completely blew me away. And I think
if our universities are turning out talent like that, you know,
binesses will want to hire these young people because what
they reminded me about. You know that great saying always
hire people smarter than yourself. Not only did these women
turn up, they were incredibly polished, they were very engaging.

(55:11):
They spoke to things like resilience, like wanting to be
in the office because that's how you learn things and
get ahead. But also they talked about their skills at
being digital natives. So in a business like ours, if
you can turn up and you are already incredibly AI literate,
you can work across a range of a range of software,

(55:36):
you are going to be a great hire for us.
And if you've got that personality. So I actually thought
it's you know, I was really heartened and quite inspired
by meeting those two.

Speaker 3 (55:45):
Maybe two My question to Mark was actually a bit
of a stupid one. You know, maybe using chat, GPT,
showing you can do stuff like that it would actually
be an asset.

Speaker 22 (55:54):
Well, I actually think we're at a tipping point where actually,
if you are not using AI, you're behind, rather than
as we sort of still tend to do we titter
at people who are using AI like it's cheating, Like
it's cheating. It is absolutely incredible and if it can
get you further and maybe get you an interview, then
you should be using it.

Speaker 21 (56:14):
And also, you know, you want to give these young
people permission to fail, permission to try things, you know,
And that's what I say to all of them. And
then and then they just they're trying heaps of stuff,
whether it's chat GPT, whether it's coming up with crazy
ideas for press releases or something, and you just think
that that's fantastic. So you've also got to create an
environment where you get the best study young people.

Speaker 3 (56:34):
Should we pull out of the un Ray Chung and
Donald Trump all ahead on the panel with Josie BEGANI intercesson.

Speaker 1 (56:44):
The huddle with New Zealand Southeby's International Realty. The ones
for unmasked results.

Speaker 3 (56:50):
Be Josie Bigani Interesherson on the huddle, and it is
called it to six. Let's talk Ray Chain. Yes, where
do we start?

Speaker 22 (57:00):
Let me just start by saying, and I'm certainly not
one to blow smoke up your backside, but if anyone
hasn't here, if anyone hasn't heard.

Speaker 21 (57:09):
Just say he just said the other a while ago.
He was annoyed. It's like ripping my ninety and now
you're saying, blow smoke up his bump it's getting very risque.

Speaker 22 (57:19):
Well, I don't. I mean rip your nighty. That's common
parlance for anyone who's annoyed by something. But if you
haven't heard Ryan's interview with rach Hung on Friday night,
go and have a listen to it, because it is
as as I found it, not only humorous but very astounding.
Number One, I was astounded Ray agreed to come on
and give an interview after what had happened. You cannot

(57:40):
dig yourself out of that hole, and I felt he
was really, you know, digging quite a lot deeper. I'm
not sure whether Ray realizes just how career limiting this
has been, and probably his chances of becoming the mayor are,
you know, I would say around zero right now in
the water.

Speaker 3 (57:59):
But there.

Speaker 22 (58:00):
The third point is unfortunately for Wellington, which you know,
if I were a Wellingtonian, I think, for God's sake,
you can't even get water in my taps. And yet
this whole council just continually turns up as a clown show.
And you know, if my neighbor had told me some

(58:21):
story about his son's tempestuous sex on a Friday night,
I don't think I would go back to the office
and flick it around us an f yi, regardless of
who the person was involved.

Speaker 7 (58:33):
I mean, it just it's just outrageous.

Speaker 21 (58:35):
But the thing about the Wellington City Council. Who needs
Love Island when you've got Wellington City Council. I mean,
it's not just that Ray Chung sent this email and
these accusations against Torriy Farno. It's that somebody leaked that email.

Speaker 5 (58:49):
I mean, the.

Speaker 21 (58:50):
Whole thing is just they are just a sesspit.

Speaker 3 (58:53):
So what you need is an.

Speaker 21 (58:54):
Absolute comprehensive clean out of that entire council because they're
all playing games.

Speaker 4 (59:00):
You know.

Speaker 21 (59:00):
I'm sure there's some of the people there, but it's
the whole lot is just guys go away.

Speaker 3 (59:05):
Do you know? The other thing here is like good
luck Andrew Little, you know, because he's I mean that's
going to be his job, right, it's trying to bring
them all together.

Speaker 21 (59:14):
Yeah, you think running the unions was hard, wait till
you get into this Love Island.

Speaker 3 (59:17):
Well, exactly, Donald Trump Mulling increasing the baseline tariff. So
we feel pretty good at the moment because we're on
ten percent. Everyone else is on ten percent. You know,
well that's the minimum and we feel pretty good about that.
He's now talking maybe I'll do fifteen, maybe I'll do
twenty tris do we take it seriously? And if we do,
do we worry about that?

Speaker 10 (59:37):
Well?

Speaker 22 (59:38):
I would actually hark back to Winston Peter's early advice
earlier in the year around this is not to panic.
The one thing that we know about Trump and these tariffs,
there is literally no economic theory behind it. There is
no valid formula for how these are being set up,

(59:58):
these numbers, so it's truly peanuts under a cup. So
until we until we know what's going to happen, I think, uh,
you know, don't panic is really the order of the day,
the one useful piece of news. And I saw it
in the in the analysis today. I think it was
Catherine Beard of Business New Zealand saying, remember it's that

(01:00:20):
it's our it's our tariff relative to others. That's really
the point here. So if we are at twenty five
percent and everyone else is at twenty five percent, or
others are higher than that, then then that's okay for us.
It's not just that we're at twenty five percent off
it makes sense.

Speaker 21 (01:00:38):
The thing is, it's never been a negotiation. It's always
been a shakedown and until we realize that, Okay, now
ten percent. Now we're looking at twenty percent. And when
he was campaigning, he was threatening sixty percent, fifty percent.
Here it was just completely random, as you say, Trish.
But but the point is it's just going to get worse,
and it's not going to go away when Trump goes
away either, because for some reason, America thinks that the

(01:01:01):
rest of the world is taking it for a ride
and sponging off it. So if we want to be
really savvy about this, we need to get really clever
at making sure. Thank god we joined the TPP CPTPP,
which is thirty six percent of a global economy, America
is about fifteen percent. We need to start really seriously
looking at we are with India, but trade with Southeast Asia,

(01:01:23):
trade with Canada, South Korea, all the countries that are
in the same situation as US, because this is not
going away.

Speaker 3 (01:01:31):
The interesting thing about it all is because you say,
you know, they've got this crazy idea that this will
get them out, but free trade hasn't treated everyone equally,
which is why we're in this position right because NAFTA
came along hollowed out, a whole bunch of manufacturing drop.

Speaker 21 (01:01:46):
And you do, you do, absolutely have to. That's the
problem with the anti globalization movement, right, they have a point,
and the point is that there were people left behind.
I mean, no one in I don't know Northland is saying, well,
you know, my wage has gone down, but thank god,
aggregate wages have gone up.

Speaker 10 (01:02:04):
You know.

Speaker 21 (01:02:04):
I mean, you're personally affected if your factory or your
meat works closes in your town because people are buying
cheaper stuff elsewhere and they've relocated.

Speaker 3 (01:02:14):
Yeah, you're hurt.

Speaker 21 (01:02:15):
So the inability to deal with the losers of globalization
has set us up for this situation. So it's it's
you know, it's the fault of the left as much
as the right that we haven't dealt with that.

Speaker 22 (01:02:24):
But that is also the trademark of the way Trump
makes these ridiculous announcements and policies. There's always a grain
of truth at the heart of it, right, and so
it's very easy for those who want to believe it
to go, Yes, that's the right way to go. But
there is no doubt that these tariffs are absolutely a

(01:02:44):
shift away from the free trade world that we have known,
and we've been building since the Second World War and
we're going into a very worrying state of protection.

Speaker 21 (01:02:53):
It's a great idea for a campaign. Let's start a
hashtag's aluminium campaign. Start pronouncing aluminium our way and anyone
who says aluminum we're not going to trade for them,
they get an extra tax aluminium text.

Speaker 3 (01:03:07):
Hey, thanks guys Tricius and Jesse mcgarney on the Huddle tonight.
It's nine minutes away from six. Nicola Willis, Finance Minister
on the show after six on cost of Living.

Speaker 2 (01:03:17):
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Speaker 3 (01:03:25):
News Talk ZMB. Six away from six. So we just
had postcabin Wellington and the Prime Minister has essentially ruled
out rubber stamping Seymour's Regulatory Standards Bill.

Speaker 15 (01:03:36):
We believe in the idea of a regulatary Chains bill
to make sure we improve the quality and the transparency
of lawmaking. But what we're also acknowledging is, look, this
is genuinely a complex piece of legislation and you do
want the devil will be in the detail that if
the bill can be further improved that we would be
silly not to take those improvements.

Speaker 3 (01:03:53):
Note how he saidiz in favor of ah Regulatory Standards Bill,
not the Regulatory Standards Bill. This is part of well,
it's supposed to be part of the coalition agreement where
the act Party. Of course, David Seymour won't like to
hear him saying this. He's been very clear as in
Seymour that the coalition agreement includes the agreement to pass

(01:04:14):
the reg Litory Standards Bill. Now. The heralds Thomas Coglan
quoted sources on Saturday who confirmed to him that this
is a bottom line for David Seymour. In other words,
he is willing to walk away from the coalition unless
they pass the bill now in New Zealand. First, of course,
not massive fans of this. So the question then becomes

(01:04:36):
what is the bill and how different and drastically different
is the end bill that National might agree to support
to the one that Seymour had hoped for and had
sold his supporters. That becomes a very crucial question. And
if it I mean, look, if David Seymour walked away
from the government over the Regulatory Standards Bill, it would

(01:04:58):
be the dumbest thing he ever did, because there would
be no more government and there would likely not be
another one with him in it. So is that an
idle threat? I think so. So they'll just have to
come up with some compromise and they'll do some of
the Remember when they set up the coalition, Luxon said
there would be a almost like a committee where they

(01:05:19):
would debate all the hard stuff and then leave everything
on the cutting room floor and come out united. That's
where this thing needs to go for a couple of days,
have a couple of stiff whiskeys sort it out, come out,
present yourselves as a united front, and agree to way
weakened regulatory standards bill Easy.

Speaker 7 (01:05:39):
And remember to mark those whiskis against your fifteen drinks.

Speaker 10 (01:05:42):
For the week.

Speaker 3 (01:05:42):
Good point, don't have them all on one day. Spread
it over a couple just gone four minutes away from six,
Bryan Bridge, Sorry, Nikola Willis on the show after six.
We did have Eric Stanford on after four. And I'll
just read you these numbers because I think they're worth repeating.
This is your end. See a numerousy and literacy results
for students. Fifty seven percent achieved a standard up from

(01:06:07):
forty five percent a year ago. How do you get
from forty five to fifty seven in such a short
space of time. Erica Stanford says, you just tell teachers
to focus on maths, reading, writing and maths. I mean,
is it that simple? Apparently so us talk said be
Nikola willis.

Speaker 10 (01:06:25):
Next and here you were my head.

Speaker 23 (01:06:29):
When I'm dreaming, dreaming, you're.

Speaker 24 (01:06:36):
Skinning you where you can go.

Speaker 9 (01:06:44):
Live?

Speaker 1 (01:06:46):
Keeping track of where the money is flowing.

Speaker 2 (01:06:49):
The Business Hour with Ryan Bridge can do has insurance
and investments, grow your wealth, protect your future, use talks
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Speaker 3 (01:06:58):
It is seven after six news. There'd be Shane Sully
with a market update shortly how to knock sixty grand
off the cost of a new two bedroom home. We'll
share that with you after six thirty and our UK
correspondent given Grays with us before the end of the
hour too. Right now, Nicola with as Finance Minister. Good evening,
Good evening. How was your break? You've had some time off?
I understand, well, not really.

Speaker 4 (01:07:21):
I had thirty six hours of the school holidays to
take the kids on some nature walks and the like.
But I've kept on working through the school holidays.

Speaker 3 (01:07:28):
This time, and why is that cost of living still
out of control?

Speaker 4 (01:07:34):
Such a busy agenda? Ryan, and I love my work
so much so it's been a joy to keep progressing
it while others have been taking some beat.

Speaker 3 (01:07:43):
Fair How do you rate your progress on cost of living?
What would you give yourself out of ten right now?

Speaker 4 (01:07:52):
I would say that we have made good progress compared
to where New Zealand was at I e. You know,
we had double digit food price inflation under labor and
we've now got it well down into the single figures.
But there is still more work to do. And that's
what I get up every day and think about, which
is how do we grow this economy, address the cost

(01:08:14):
of living, make it easier for kiwis to get ahead.
And some of those issues take time to work on,
you know, the supermarket challenges built up over a series
of decades. The electricity market was trashed by a series
of decisions by the last government councils, and their rating
ways have been creeping up on us for some time.
So these are not issues that I think New Zealanders

(01:08:36):
think we will resolve overnight. What they need to see
is progress and we are making it.

Speaker 3 (01:08:41):
Are you has the price of groceries come down.

Speaker 4 (01:08:46):
The amount of food price inflation has reduced under our
government from what it was under the last But I
remain concerns, as you're aware, with a lack of competition
in the supermarket sector, and I am working on forms
to address that.

Speaker 3 (01:09:01):
How's that going? If you had the report back yet, Look.

Speaker 4 (01:09:05):
It's going well. We received multiple responses to our request
for information from those who might seek to compete in
the supermarket sector about what's holding them back, both in
terms of the way that the current monopolists conduct themselves,
the barriers to setting up new supermarkets and the structural issues.

(01:09:26):
And I will shortly be making recommendations to Cabinet about
next steps and we'll be announcing those this quarter.

Speaker 3 (01:09:33):
Is there any need to bust up the supermarkets? Is
that something that you're seriously still considering, or based on
the information you've got so far, will you take it down?

Speaker 4 (01:09:45):
And Notch Well, I've always started from the position which says,
ultimately for this to be a more competitive market, you
need another national scale competitor. That's what all of the
economic evidence internationally tells us that for so long as
you have a duopol effectively you're not going to get
the downward pressure on prices and the increased choice that
consumers want to see. So the question is how do

(01:10:08):
you get that third player. I've always been cards on
the table. My first preference would be to do pretty
much anything we can to usher in a third player
to ease the way. But if that doesn't occur, then
we need a backup plan. And of course, if you
went back in time, we did have more than two
players in each island, and that was prior to the
mergers of the existing brands that occurred, and so there

(01:10:32):
is a worthwhile exercise of saying, well, what happens if
we split them up again. But I've always been clear,
first preference, let's get a third player, a new player
into the market.

Speaker 3 (01:10:43):
So, because this is sounding very different, I mean, if
we look at the headlines, Nikola Willis threatens bust up,
what you're actually saying is we're going to try something first.
If that doesn't work, we will have the specter of
a bust up hanging in the background, waiting to fall
on your necks.

Speaker 4 (01:11:02):
Well, I'm doing the work on what a bust up
would look like because I think it's important that we
do that work. I'm also ensuring that where we have
existing laws, that we are enforcing them and are ensuring
that we've got enough teeth in the enforcement of them.
And then this next piece around what would it take
to usher in a third player actually goes to some

(01:11:25):
of these competition issues, because one of the things that
people who would potentially compete in New Zealand say to
us is that one of their concerns is about the
market power of the existing entities and what they might
do to them to stamp on that competition were it
to occur. So all of these issues need to be
considered together. My work on this has yielded some good

(01:11:50):
progress that I'm looking forward to sharing with New Zealanders
once Cabinet has considered it fully, and that will be
happening very soon.

Speaker 3 (01:11:58):
You're not using the confusion of your intention as a
pr tool to sound tough on supermarkets.

Speaker 4 (01:12:07):
No, It's really clear for me New Zealand consumers aren't
getting a good deal because there isn't enough competition in
our grocery sector. And I want to use all of
the policy and legislative leaders available to the government to
encourage that basic thing, which is competition and if you
write from the beginning say hey, look, we're going to
do a bunch of stuff, but I'm not prepared to

(01:12:29):
ever break them up, then what you're actually saying is
I'm not prepared to do everything it would take to
ensure competition, because actually my focus is on the New
Zealand shopper, who right now, in most parts of the
country has the choice between food stuffs and will worse
in any other country in the world that have a
lot more choice than that. And what we have seen
again and again is that because there aren't those choices,

(01:12:51):
it appears that those big players misuse their market power.
New Zealanders pay more for their groceries, get fewer choices,
and it's harder to get the kind of innovation that
you see off shore. So I want to see more competition.
That's my starting place, and I'm considering all the ways
that you can get there.

Speaker 3 (01:13:08):
Okay, When will we have an answer?

Speaker 4 (01:13:11):
Well, I will be providing an update in the next
couple of months.

Speaker 3 (01:13:15):
Okay, and then we'll find out where you're going to
bust up the supermarkets Within a couple of months.

Speaker 4 (01:13:20):
Well, you'll find out what our next steps are.

Speaker 10 (01:13:22):
Run.

Speaker 3 (01:13:22):
Why is it so hard. Why can't you just say
what you're going to do and when you're going to
do it.

Speaker 4 (01:13:28):
This is a problem that is literally decades in the making,
and whatever solution I put forward, I am testing very
carefully to ensure it will actually result in a better
deal to you, the shopper, and other shoppers around the country.
And it's certainly an issue where you need more hastily speed,
which is to say that you need to carefully think

(01:13:48):
through your proposition. Let's remember the last government introduced massive
We know what they did to grocery Act and did
it result in an improvement in competition or prices?

Speaker 10 (01:13:57):
No?

Speaker 4 (01:13:58):
Jury is bring prepare is do I want to fall
for the same trap?

Speaker 8 (01:14:01):
No?

Speaker 4 (01:14:01):
No, I don't want to feel for traps. Giving it
a bit more due diligence, a bit more depth of work.

Speaker 3 (01:14:06):
And while your Minister of Finance grocery prices will come
down as a result, I.

Speaker 4 (01:14:13):
Want to see an increase in competition, okay, and so
that will in itself create downward pressure on prices. And look,
here's the thing. I'm having good commercial conversations behind the
scenes about what might be achievable here. I could put
all of that at risk by racing at one solution.
I've been very careful to say, let's go through all

(01:14:34):
of the options, way them up, come up with the
best option.

Speaker 3 (01:14:38):
Hey, with tarifs lux of the Prime ministration. So they
told me a couple of weeks ago he's sort of
okay with the ten percent. I mean, it's not ideal.
But if Trump is talking about fifteen or twenty percent,
do we start paying more attention.

Speaker 4 (01:14:53):
Well, obviously we're aware of those media reports, but we've
had no direct communication from the US suggesting any change
to New Zealand's current tariff status, which is the ten
percent baseline tariff. Remember, the context here is that our
trade is very well balanced with the US. The US
enjoys very strong access to our market, virtually tariff free
across all areas. The Minister of Trade has had a

(01:15:16):
constructive engagement with the US Trade Representative Greyer, and that
relationship has been affirmed as a strong one. And so
there's no reason for us to be of the view
that we're at risk here. Okay, beyond what's already been stated.

Speaker 3 (01:15:33):
You the CTU, the lobby groups being excluded from the
budget at the time you claimed it was Treasury's decision.
When it's now clear from OAA documents that on April second,
a Treasury communications advisor informed this colleagues that willis preferred.
That's the Finance Minister taking the exact same approach as
was used at HAYFU. Why did you say one thing

(01:15:53):
when clearly another was going on behind the scenes.

Speaker 4 (01:15:56):
This is such a mountain out of a molehill. Basically,
last year we said, look, let's be a bit more
selective about who comes to the lock up. Treasury set
wrote up some guidelines on that. I said, well, let's
just stick to the same approach for the budget. Then
there was a heck of a lot of noise about it,
and eventually I interving and said, oh well, let's just

(01:16:16):
let them all come. I don't think it's a surprise
to anyone listening to your show right now that I
have a different view on how the economy should be
run than Grant Robertson's former advisor, Craig Rennie. He came
to the lock up, he got to listen, he got
to say his peace, and no one is the worse
for it. But if you were listening to him, that's
on you not to know what he's doing here.

Speaker 3 (01:16:38):
But did you not want him there?

Speaker 4 (01:16:40):
Well, my original position late last year was that restricting
the lock up to those who actually required timely information
to communicate market sensitive information seemed a sensible restriction to make,
and initially we stuck to those guns. But it became
clear over time that the amount of content not only

(01:17:01):
from the C to you, but from the Taxpayers Union
and others actually outweighed any benefits from restricting the lockup.
So eventually, look, the outcomes clear.

Speaker 3 (01:17:11):
Right, you agree everyone wanted to come to I know,
but it's not about that. It's about your credibility, isn't it.
Because you came out and you rest you saved the day.
He said, Oh no, I've saved the day. Everyone's allowed
to come now When it was you trying to stop
them coming in the first place.

Speaker 4 (01:17:26):
Well, a decision had been made previously that would restrict
by you, and then I came in and saved the day.
So you've you've similarized for yourself.

Speaker 3 (01:17:36):
Fair enough? Can I get that kind of honesty on
the supermarkets?

Speaker 4 (01:17:41):
You know what the question is this, is any New
Zealander better off because of the attendance at the lockup?
And I put to you there are bigger issues for
the country and ultimately my decision was, I don't want
this to be a distraction from a budget which is
actually about New Zealanders their cost of living, how we

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create jobs and grow the economy. And the fact that
other people are more focused on whether or not they
get to wear a special badge at the lock up
is on them, not on me.

Speaker 3 (01:18:10):
Finance Minister Nichola Willis, it's great to have you back
eighteen after six News Talks eb It's.

Speaker 2 (01:18:15):
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Ryan Fridge, Shane Solly, Harbor Asset Management. Good evening, Hey,

(01:19:30):
gety Ryan, how are you? Yeah, good to have you here.
Let's get a market update. We'll have the markets reacted
to the latest round of threats on terriffs from Trump.

Speaker 17 (01:19:39):
Yeah.

Speaker 25 (01:19:39):
Look, so mister Trump coming out and talking about thirty
percent tariff for Mexico and Europe, threatening to thirty five
percent on some Canadian goods and prospect of a blanket
fifteen to twenty percent on everybody else potentially including New Zealands. Look,
if you did announce, it's been a bit of a negative.

Speaker 9 (01:19:55):
Wake up call.

Speaker 25 (01:19:56):
For markets, but we've actually got reasonably modest response so far.
Markets might have been a bit complacent, but we saw
on Friday the US bond yields go up slightly. This
is the cost of borrowing for the US government. Not
a huge amount, but a little bit. US shear market
fell about point three percent, and it's flagging based on
futures that the US market will be down about half

(01:20:18):
a percent tonight. US dollars slightly stronger. So yeah, a
bit of a wake up call, but not the same
degree of sell off we saw back at eight four
second on that infamous liberation day.

Speaker 3 (01:20:28):
What would it mean for US if he did go
ahead and do a fifteen or twenty percent Yeah.

Speaker 25 (01:20:34):
Look, I think it's a bit of a headwind for
some of our key exporters, certainly beef and wine. There's
particularly one area that New Zealand exports a lot into
the US. Headwind for some of the manufacturers and services companies.
I do wonder about it just causing a bit more
uncertainty for the wider business in the sumer confidence levels.

(01:20:54):
Fisher and Proper healthkey here in New Zealand shear market.
Our biggest company by market cap is exposed to tariffs
on the Mexican product that produces that goes into the US.
But I think at this stage it seems like that
product will be covered by the US NCA, so it
may have already any issues, and certainly the F and
P ten is pretty pretty savvy in dealing with these issues.

Speaker 3 (01:21:15):
And any reaction from local markets.

Speaker 25 (01:21:18):
Yeah, pretty pretty muted today, actually, Ryan, the New Zealand
dollar up sorry down slightly against the UIs dollar around
sixty cents across the New Zealand ten yure government blind
you it up slightly three basis points to four point
five seven percent, and New Zealand Schimacher pretty much fled
on the day. So no, not not now part of
the world. But we'll wait for overnight.

Speaker 3 (01:21:39):
Appreciate your time, Shane Shane Soley, harbor Esset Management with
our market update for this evening. It is twenty four
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Speaker 1 (01:21:49):
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Speaker 3 (01:21:59):
Talk six twenty seven. In some showbiz news tonight, Kanye
West has struggled battled his way through a concert in Shanghai.
Fans apparently that's what you heard. They're chanting for a refund.
He was forty minutes late, turned up like seventy thousand fans.

(01:22:21):
They're waiting. It was raining, which made the whole thing
so much worse. He was interrupted of a concert, I
should say, interrupted by the weather, but also faulty tech tickets.
Two hundred and twenty five was year base. Six hundred
New Zealand dollars is the most you would have paid.
He's struggled to get venues lately because he's had a

(01:22:41):
few anti Semitic rants on Twitter and other places. As
you probably heard about. Recently, Australia's Home Affairs Minister revoked
his visa after he released a song titled Hal Hitler,
which he performed live for the first time at the
Shanghai concert.

Speaker 15 (01:22:57):
It wasn't a visa even for the purpose of the concert.
It was a lower level and the officials still looked
at the law and said, you're gon't have a song
and promote that sort of natism.

Speaker 1 (01:23:10):
We don't need that in Australia.

Speaker 3 (01:23:12):
Well, probably don't need it anywhere. I would think on
Planet Earth. So basically, Kanye, no way. It sounds like
I was so terrified for a second we were about
to play the Hail Hitler song. Oh my goodness, what
are you doing? Anyway? It is coming up to half Sex.
You're on new Talk zeb how to save sixty grand
off your new build home next money Bay.

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Then you can't tell me crouching the numbers and getting
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and Investments Crew, Your Wealth, Protect your Future Newstalgs EDB.

Speaker 3 (01:24:14):
Good evening. It is twenty four away from seven year
on News Talks EDB. We'll get to Gavin Gray in
the UK before seven o'clock this evening. Interesting story from
One News tonight. No senior New Zealand government official is
going to to because you know we've got this battle
with the Cooks, well sort of a not a battle,
that's the wrong word to use. It's a diplomatic tussle

(01:24:35):
with the Cook Islands. At the moment they went behind
our back signed this deal with the Chinese. We have
intends suspended about eighteen million dollars worth of funding, so
it's a massive amount for the Cooks and now One
News is saying that the Cooks they're marking sixty years
of free association with New Zealand on August fourth. Our

(01:24:56):
Prime Minister Christopher Luxant and our Foreign Minister Winston Peters
will not be attending, and One News says this is
because they've been snubbed, well presumably left off the invite list.
Our Governor General Dame Cindy Kiro will leave the delegation
that include some members of Parliament, et cetera, but Luxon
and Peters will not be going. However, Christopher Luxen has

(01:25:18):
said something I suppose it's kind of humorous Waden on
the Ray Chung saga during his post cabinet press conferences
Affternoon have a listen.

Speaker 15 (01:25:28):
I think the email was entirely inappropriate and utterly unacceptable,
But ultimately it's up to the fine people of Wellington,
who I'm sure will work through who they would like
to represent them in their role.

Speaker 3 (01:25:38):
Thomas, do you know Chun?

Speaker 5 (01:25:39):
No?

Speaker 1 (01:25:39):
I don't he is he sort of adjacent to.

Speaker 15 (01:25:43):
The i've met her met him. I don't don't remember
meeting him, but I don't know. I wouldn't be able
to tell you who he is or point out who is.

Speaker 3 (01:25:52):
Poor old Ray Chung. Funnily enough, I said the dinner
a couple six months ago which they were both at
and they were getting very close to one another. I
couldn't say that they'd met. But you're going to be careful,
dn't you when you say I've never met this person
and you're the Prime Minister, because then next minute there's
a photo with you two sitting next to each other,
and everyone's saying, oh, it's a conspiracy. Twenty two away

(01:26:13):
from seven ban Bridge, one size fits all home designs
the future of housing in New Zealand, that is the question.
The Building Research Association of New Zealand Brands is getting
ready to launch its new consent ready home plans. This
is in the next couple of months that all happened.
They say that their predesigned three bedroom home will save
home builders huge costs on architects. Dr Chris Lissen is

(01:26:37):
the GM of Research at Brands and joins me.

Speaker 10 (01:26:39):
Now, Hello, Hi Ryan, how are you going tonight?

Speaker 3 (01:26:42):
Very good? Thank you? Now give us the elevator pitch on.

Speaker 10 (01:26:44):
This, okay, So we really know that housing affordable is
a real key issue for New Zealanders. So Brands is
all about using our research and testing about create practical
solutions and to do that we've come up with a
development of the next Time and that's really to show
New Zealands that you can build high quality, low carbon
and affordable homes. So we'll have these designs available later

(01:27:07):
in this year for free download so that anyone can
use it, and there'll be consent ready, so you should
be able to use it anywhere across New Zealand.

Speaker 3 (01:27:14):
When you say consent ready, do you mean pre consented
or do you mean what do you mean by that?

Speaker 10 (01:27:20):
So there's a scheme that the government runs called Multiproof
and these designs will be approved by that. So he's
literally about to take the designs, go to your counsel
and say here they are. Can we build a particular
building on what the land I've got? Councilor should say yes?
And that's it.

Speaker 3 (01:27:36):
What will this save your average house builder?

Speaker 10 (01:27:40):
Well, these designs, I think one of the misconceptions is
that high quality and low carbon or sustainable buildings are expensive,
and we're showing them not. So these designs are going
to be about the same price as the standard building
that's going on at the moment. But you get the
added benefits of saying really high quality, which means great
indoor equality, which means you will be help here. Your

(01:28:01):
carbon footprint, if you're intant carbon footprint will about fifty
percent lower than your standard house, and it will be
a similar price to what you'd be paying normally.

Speaker 3 (01:28:10):
And I mean it sounds too good to be true.
Of course, is there a catch?

Speaker 10 (01:28:15):
There is no catch, and that's why we do this
research to really try and understand this sort of stuff.
So yeah, as I said before, there's a bit of
misconception that high quality and sustainable means unaffordable, and we're
showing that's not.

Speaker 3 (01:28:28):
What about the you know, each site has its own
quirks and sunlight coming in different directions. How do you
account for all of that?

Speaker 10 (01:28:34):
Yeah, that's really why they still do need to go
to the council to get that consent to say, actually
this is the right place. I'm not about to build
on a floodplaine or on a slippery hill that's going
to wash my house away or anything like that. So
that is that we can't control that. There's very much
having those designs talking to the council about it, and
that should be very simple to get it all sorted
out with them.

Speaker 3 (01:28:53):
How do you think this could scale up? You know,
will we have entire suburbs of identical homes.

Speaker 10 (01:28:58):
Well. One of the real issues with New Zealanders as
we all love to have something different, right every home
we want looked different to their neighbors and unfortunate it's
just not the way you can build sustainable and build
sustainable and have sort of affordable homes. So these designs
are very much about standardization. They've got standard window sizes,
they do have some standard floor structures and layouts. But

(01:29:21):
the end of the day, I think this really is
you fover seas. A lot of places are all similar.
You can paint these made, these things can look different,
but it is the way of the future.

Speaker 3 (01:29:30):
Really, it's about affordability. It's not about flashy.

Speaker 10 (01:29:34):
It is about affordable. It's not about fleshy. But again
in this case, fleshy means it's really high quality and
you're going to have a great healthy environment inside the home,
which quite a lot of homes don't have.

Speaker 3 (01:29:45):
For of the architects angry at.

Speaker 10 (01:29:46):
You, We've got our own architects on board. We've had
architects pair review these and they're all really excited about
what's going on.

Speaker 3 (01:29:54):
No one's going to be put out of business.

Speaker 10 (01:29:57):
That's not our aim. Our aim is very much about
having some really good designs that people can use. And
we're not going to make anyone use them, of course,
but they're there and available if you want to, you
go for it.

Speaker 3 (01:30:09):
All right, We'll leave it there. Thanks so much for
your time. Dr Chris Listen as the GM of research
at Brands talking about this one size fits all preconsented
home design that they reckon will not tens of thousands
of dollars off the cost of a new built seventeen
minutes away from seven. You're on news talks, he'd be,
and it's just distracted for a second because if you

(01:30:31):
put the first leader of his first name with his
last name, as would be kitten. That's what's interesting to me.
Gavin grays are UK.

Speaker 7 (01:30:39):
Chorus So it could be setting as well though if
it's a soft sea at this station, yeah, it's because
Chris with a sea so I feel like you're jumping
ahead there.

Speaker 3 (01:30:48):
You wouldn't rush to rush to assume, would you, right,
Gavin gray Are UK correspondent is next the UK Sorry,
the EU, I should say, is chickening out on its
retaliatory tariffs for now. Oh they've been delayed a second time,
this time until August. Kevin Gray has the details next.

Speaker 1 (01:31:05):
Whether it's macro micro or just playing economics.

Speaker 2 (01:31:09):
It's all on the Business Hours with Ryan Bridge, and
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Speaker 3 (01:31:17):
These dogs v it is fourteen away from seven. Gavin
Gray are UK correspondent Givin. Good to have you on
the show. As always, the banks, the EU retelliatory tariffs
on Uish exports. They've been given the delay button.

Speaker 20 (01:31:33):
Again, yes, yet again, and all this, I think is
sort of almost a dance, if you like, with the
President of America. Obviously now he's threatening much larger tariffs
on the EU, up to thirty percent, and they're basically now.

Speaker 3 (01:31:52):
I think in.

Speaker 20 (01:31:53):
This thing about timing, the EU is being accused by
Donald Trump for pulling its dragging its feet, not getting
into this fast enough. He's getting impatient. But I think
that the European Commission President Versill of vonderlyon announcing these delays,
is basically suggesting that it is being done in order
to try and sort out that thirty percent tariff as well,

(01:32:16):
so the EU's retaliation would have hit twenty one billion
euros worth roughly forty billion New Zealand dollars worth of
US goods. It was first suspended in March. The break
has been extended down until early August, and EU trade
ministers meeting in Brussels today to discuss how to respond
to the latest threat from Donald Trump and those thirty

(01:32:38):
percent tariffs on EU imports. He says, really, the trade
imbalance between the EU and America is ridiculously high and
disgusting in his own words, and he said that has
got to stop. The EU is saying, well, this is
not the way to go about it. And he thinks
that European Union countries think it's time everyone got round
the negotiating table and really thrashed to deal out. But

(01:33:00):
these deals are never very quick to do.

Speaker 3 (01:33:03):
Yeah, no, they're certainly not given. There's a good channk
of laboring peace who are wanting the government to recognize
Palestine as a state.

Speaker 20 (01:33:11):
Yeah, very interesting. This so nearly sixty labor MPs have
called on the Foreign Office to immediately recognize Palestine as
a state. They really want to ratchet up pressure on
their own government here, and they believe that Gaza is
being ethically cleansed and have set out five different measures
to prevent the Israeli government from carrying out its rapa plan.

(01:33:35):
Of course, Israel vehemently deny those claims of being acting
in that way against Gaza. But the letters that the
ministers have received says that the Palestine should be recognized
as a state. It should continue support for the UN
Agency for Palestinian Refugees, something which Israel says has been

(01:33:55):
riddled with the corruption and hammers integration. It should secure
the release of hostages, press for the full and unhindered
resumption of humanitarian aid, and also make a full review
and place restrictions on trade and financial support of illegal
Israeli settlements in West Bank. And it's that last one
that they may actually get a bit of traction, with

(01:34:16):
a great amount of discussion here about trade with Israel
and whether perhaps that is the best way the UK
can act in order to try and force Israel into
climbing down over some of its actions.

Speaker 3 (01:34:28):
From the Weird Files, Gevin the UK airport playing a
looped soundtrack in the background of what.

Speaker 20 (01:34:35):
Of an airport? Yes believe it or not. Its commissioned
a soundtrack which will be on loop, which will basically
be called the music for Heathrow. So this is Britain's
biggest airport, just to the west of London, and they
have got this musician, multi instrumentalist and producer, a Grammy
nominee to ye try and sort of work out a

(01:34:58):
little soundtrack. And bizarrely it isn't music as such. It's
seat of ambient noises that will include a lady on
a tannoid, hurried footsteps on a tiled floor, the rumble
of a baggage belt, the hum of an escalator. Why
why are they spending all this money? Well, they want
to kickstart what they call passenger holidays by reflecting the

(01:35:19):
excitement and anticipation Ryan of going on holiday. I have
to tell you the biggest excitement and anticipation I get
is seeing if my flight has not been delayed or canceled.
And many people think this is rather an odd way
of spending money for all those charges that they levy.

Speaker 3 (01:35:36):
Very so they play this in the background while wouldn't
you have the natural ambience sounds doing the job for you?
Very good question, very bizarre. Gavin thank you for the
Givin Gray, UK correspondent nine minutes away from seven. It's
just somebody who's being paid. I mean, how many layers

(01:35:59):
of management do you have to have before you get
to somebody coming to work and suggesting you need a
background track soundtrack of the existing sound of an airport.
That's I'm said. Nine to seven News Talks EDB.

Speaker 2 (01:36:13):
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Speaker 3 (01:36:19):
EBB, News Talks VB. It is seven away from seven.
Time for some of your texts this evening, which I've
been a little slack with in the last hour. I apologize.
We talked about bus lanes, Ryan, I agreed with you.
New bus lanes in both Auckland and Wellington cause severe congestion,
says Carol, and severe congestion for all working city people.

(01:36:43):
I'm a sales rep and my time sitting in queues
while the buses passed occasionally with only a few passengers
on board is causing much non productive time for the
rest of us. Lots of rates funding is wasted. Regards Carol, Ryan,
bus lanes. Have you ever been on a driven with

(01:37:05):
a bus driver? Lately, it's a very difficult job. I'm
not saying they're doing a bad job. I'm just saying
the bus lanes needn't be twenty four seven everywhere. You know,
you can be a little more lenient, you can have
some There is no need for there to be a
bus lane sitting empty, sitting idle for most of the
day and used at peak hour only. That's all. The

(01:37:25):
only point I was trying to make. Nothing against the
bus driver. Don't take any offense. Five to seven and
it's what are we going out to tonight?

Speaker 7 (01:37:34):
Dream on by Aerosmith to play us out tonight. Aerosmith
have been on a bit of a journey the last
couple of years because obviously it was a bit of
sad news for Steven Tyler, the front man. He had
a vocal cord injury last year. So after that that
was kind of the end of them touring, except it
wasn't because back in February he did return to the
stage for just one show at a charity event, and

(01:37:55):
so it seems like that might not be the last
time that that happens because another member of the band, Joe,
He has said in an interview that they are talking
about doing another show, and he says, look, all of
us are alive, We're all well other than the vocal things,
so we just have to try and do another one.
So he is convinced that this that wasn't the last
Aerosmith gig. There will be one more gig. Unfortunately, obviously
Stephen Tyler does have the vocal issues. So they said

(01:38:18):
he's probably not going to be doing a tour again,
but one more show it may happen.

Speaker 3 (01:38:21):
Well, that'd be a good show to get too, wouldn't
that you pay good money for that? Also, I love
that they say, you know, we're all still alive. Something
might as well.

Speaker 7 (01:38:29):
Well, yeah, I mean a rock band who were making
music in the seventies like you can never get I
still do it.

Speaker 6 (01:38:34):
Well.

Speaker 7 (01:38:34):
I still don't know how Keith Richards are still going,
you know, all the cigarettes and all the alcohol that
guy's hands said, But yeah, bird there you go.

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