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July 21, 2025 • 100 mins

On the Heather du Plessis-Allan Drive Full Show Podcast for Monday, 21 July 2025, Health Minister Simeon Brown on giving the green light for the new Waikato Medical School - and how the Government managed to cut a significant amount of money from the original proposal.

Inflation is up again to 2.7 percent but the Finance Minister Nicola Willis reckons the economy will have firmly turned around by the time we get to the election next year.

If NCEA is too far gone, what should we replace it with?

Plus, on the Huddle a controversial take from Trish on the Coldplay kiss cam incident that leaves both Heather and Josie red faced!

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Speaker 1 (00:03):
Digging through the spin to find the real story. Oring
It's Heather Dupicy Ellen Drive with One New Zealand Let's
get connected News TALKSV.

Speaker 2 (00:15):
Hey, good afternoon. Good to be back with you. Coming
up on today's show, the Health Minister Simmon Brown has
got the green light for the white couple medical school.
Talk to him. Inflation's up slightly? Should we be worried?
We're going to speak to kir We Bank and Nikola
Willis the Finance Minister with us as per usual after
six Heather Dupicy Ellen, I'm thrilled that everything is on
the table for NCAA, and I would urge the government

(00:37):
to go all the way and just ditch this thing
all together. There is no point in tinkering with NCAA.
It is, I think, frankly, beyond rescue. It just needs
to go. I missed nca by two years. My little
brother was in the first group to do it, and
I clearly remember knowing even then, when I was still
at school in year thirteen, that I was lucky to
have missed it because it was already a joke in

(00:58):
the first year that it was brought in, and the
prop that we knew back then are still the problems
that we have now. Having teachers mark their own students
work rather than having it externally marked always meant that
we couldn't be sure that students were all achieving the
same level across the country. And having so many internal
credits available that students could pass before they even got

(01:18):
to exam time always meant that they were going to
figure this out, and they were going to start to
gain the system, and they were going to rack up
their internal assessment credits and get enough and then just
skip the exams, and that is exactly what they're doing.
The end result has been entirely predictable. Kids would absolutely
have a qualification. They could come out the other side, say, yep,
by men CEA one, NCAA two, NCAA level three, but

(01:39):
that didn't mean that actually learned anything. We couldn't actually
be sure that they learned what they needed to learn
during the course of the year. And that is what
has happened. When we made those exams compulsory, you know,
the ones that we've been talking about in the last
few years. The fail rates in them were enormous, and
that's because kids didn't learn what they were supposed to
learn in the second year of NCEA. This is Level two.

(02:03):
Nearly half of the Level two students the year twelve
students achieved it last year without actually learning all the
things that they were supposed to learn. How on earth
do you do that?

Speaker 3 (02:12):
Now?

Speaker 2 (02:12):
Why I think there is no point in tinkering and
continuing with some form of NCEA is because if you
change these things that you need to change to make
NCEA better, you are changing what is fundamental about NCEEA.
It is supposed to be flexible. It is supposed to
be internally assessed. If you take that kind of stuff out,
you're just going to go back to something that looks

(02:32):
like ib or Cambridge, in which case just get rid
of it and go back to something that looks like
ib or Cambridge. And why not go back to ib
or Cambridge. Why do we have to do our own
version of it? It is a dog. It has been
a dog since the very start. Just ditch it for
ever do for c Ellens nineteen ninet two is the
text number. Now kmart staff, how good is this? Are

(02:54):
set to become some of the highest paid retail workers
in the country. Roughly two four hundred New Zealand k
Martin eloyees will now be receiving the living wage of
twenty eight dollars ninety five an hour. The wage applies
to any employee with the union or not who has
worked at the company for more than six months. Rud
Hughes is the Worker's First Union Deputy, rather the workers
First Union Deputy Secretary Secretary of Retail. Rud, you got

(03:16):
a linking total mouthful. You could chop that down a
little bit. Anyway, Listen, how hard did you guys have
to fight for this result?

Speaker 4 (03:24):
Look, it was you know, we spent six days at
the table. It was it was open dialogue, and it
was it was how bargaining should take place. You know,
we're giving it, you know, to and throwing and also
with both parties willing to concede on issues.

Speaker 2 (03:38):
Yeah, but did you get it across the line by
reminding them they do this around the world. Why weren't
they doing it here? Is that how it went?

Speaker 4 (03:43):
That's exactly what we did. You know, they were looking
at a CPI increase and we said, look, you know,
if you're going to pay this around the world, they've
got amor memorandum of understanding with Industrial the Global Union.
You know, you should be paying it in New Zealand.
You know, we have a living wage here, meet it
And they came to the party and so what.

Speaker 2 (04:03):
Was their justification for doing it around the world but
not here.

Speaker 4 (04:07):
Well they didn't really have a justification for it, which
is why they actually ended up agreeing.

Speaker 2 (04:12):
To it, just getting away with it as long as
they could.

Speaker 4 (04:15):
Well, you know, I mean that's part and part all
of the bargaining process. You know, big companies don't want
to pay much and we want to pay more now.

Speaker 2 (04:22):
Rud Why is it only for employees who've been there
for six months or more?

Speaker 4 (04:27):
So that's the way it's been bargained over the last
since twenty twenty one, and it is something that we
tried to make right right from the get go. But
there is an element of the company wanting to be
sure that these people are going to stay in the
job and have proved themselves, and you know we weren't
completely against that.

Speaker 2 (04:47):
Do you think other retailers are going to look at
this and start packing themselves a little bit?

Speaker 4 (04:53):
Well, yeah, I do, I really do. I think that
you know, this is a gold standard for us in
terms of retail well costco probably pay just slightly more,
but not much. But you know, in terms of other companies,
it's really a long way away. You know, I'll give
you an example. You know, the Farmers, which is a

(05:13):
venerable newsand institution. They will pay if we get our
bargaining agreed to it. And at the moment it looks
like our members are going to aren't going to ratify
that agreement. They would be only they'd be getting three
dollars less than what cam Art workers would be doing
that that's on the top rate. So and you know,

(05:36):
these these guys are going to come in, they're going
to be six months and then they're going to be
on the living wage. It came out, you know, and
it's it's it's not that they can't afford to do it.
We've asked for the you know, the details of their
finances and they refuse to give them to us. But
you know, the Norman family themselves since twenty seventeen have
gone from five hundred million net worth to over a billion.

(05:58):
The workers certainly haven't had that kind of incrom their
wages and we're just asking for you know, have a
look at what kmar are doing. You know, Kmart had
become incredibly profitable despite paying the living wage.

Speaker 2 (06:09):
Right, thanks very much, really appreciate your time. Rod Hughes,
Deputy Secretary of Retail. No, I'm not even going to try.
He's with First Union. Now I have read your Cinder's
book for you. I finished. This is it. This is
the last, This is the last. This is the last
time we're talking about it, because I've been updating you
as i've gone, but now finished it. But and I'm
going to give you the praise of the book later

(06:30):
in the program, But what I am going to say
in right now is you will not believe the number
of times just Cinder shops at Kmart and then writes
about it. If you write your memoir and you've got
like three hundred and thirty pages, are you going to
waste words on? And then I went to Kmart because
that's literally one of the sentences. I looked around Premier

(06:53):
House and then I went to Kmart. I was like, honestly,
it was so it was so much that at one
point I was I came, I paying her or just
going on here? No, it's just Jacinda loves going to Kmart.
Who would have thought, I'm glad that that didn't come
out when Juliet Oagan was still dressing it because I
don't know if the jay Hoo would want to be
connected with the Kmart shopper. Anyhow, never mind, we'll talk

(07:16):
about it later in the program. Got some good news
for you, got the inflation numbers out. Now the good
news is not so much. Well, I guess I was
gonna say not so much the inflation numbers, but actually, yeah,
because we were expecting it to come in at about
two point eight two point nine, it came in at
two point seven percent. What that means is that the
rate cut that we were expecting for the OCR in
August is now basically locked in. Because this is this

(07:38):
is not going to be concerning enough for the Reserve Bank,
especially given that it's temporary. In any case, financial markets
had been looking at about a seventy percent chance. They
priced it at seventy percent chance of a rate cut
next month, that as soon as the data came out
this morning, shot up to eighty percent thereafter. Anyway, we're
gonna have a chat to Kiwibank, as I said earlier,
about whether you should be worried about inflation quarter past.

Speaker 5 (08:00):
It's the heather duper.

Speaker 1 (08:01):
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Speaker 2 (08:07):
Here the re NCEEA welcome back. Is there any bipartisan
support for this though? Because I don't trust Label will
come in and change it all over again. It's a
fair point that you make, but I think I think
you'd the public support for resurrecting NCAA would be about zero.
Don't you think this is every chance they come in
with another stupid idea? But I doubt it very much.
Eighteen past four now Jason Pines Sports Talk hoosters with

(08:28):
us a pony. Hello, Heather, How should we rate that
three zip win over France?

Speaker 6 (08:33):
Oh, building block? I think building block towards the tougher
test matches ahead. I think France probably punched above their weight.
I think they were probably better than a lot of
us expected. The All Blacks were at times good, at
times not so good. But to work on that sort
of thing. But three Nils, three nil, that was always
the entree. I think to the Rugby Championship. Rays has
probably found out a bit about who was best fifteen

(08:55):
and best twenty three. R He's given a few players daboos.
I think you tick a box certainly won't be a
three match series that goes down as one of the greats.
I'm not sure we're watching it back in its entirety,
but I think it probably served a purpose.

Speaker 2 (09:09):
Do you think that it is? It definitely got better
as it went on, right, And do you think that
was because we needed to let them settle into the season.

Speaker 6 (09:17):
Well, actually they were best in Wellington. On Saturday night
in Hamilton, I think they took another step back, particularly
in the first half. They came home strong.

Speaker 2 (09:26):
So that was but Piney, that was our B team
that we were playing, right, So it's almost like you
can't really compare the two well ten changes.

Speaker 6 (09:33):
Yeah, I guess you could say that there were a
lot of regulars in the you know, the so called
top team who weren't there. Yes, good point. So yeah,
I mean when you give thirty three guys games across
three matches, you are going to strike problems with cohesion
and connection. So yeah, pretty good point. I think there'll
be a lot more cohesive because the team will be
a lot more stable selection wise during the Rugby Championship,

(09:56):
particularly head of those big games against South Africa.

Speaker 2 (09:58):
Okay, now, what is going with netball? New Zealand and
the eligibility rules.

Speaker 6 (10:02):
Just in the last fifteen minutes they've issued a release
to say that they have reviewed the Silver Ferns selection
policy and now those who are playing overseas can be
considered for the Silver Ferns through a formal exemption process.
So case in point, grace Wiki playing offshore she didn't
play in the a Z Premiership playing over in Australia,
she can now apply for an exemption and can play

(10:26):
for the Silver Ferns even though she is not playing
in our am Z Premiership. This is up till now
not been possible. Grace Wiki has forced the hand of
Netball New Zealand's board here and good on her for
doing that. She's basically said, look, I'm going over to Wazzie.
Yes I'm getting paid, but I'm there to improve my
netball against some of the best players in the world.
Can I please play for New Zealand. The board have buckled,

(10:47):
and well, you have to give them credit. It did
take them a while to beyond.

Speaker 2 (10:50):
They So have they said yes to her or have
they said she should apply?

Speaker 6 (10:53):
They've said she should apply, but she is the case study.
Heither yes, this is the reason for the rule to come.
We will call this the Wiki rule.

Speaker 2 (11:02):
But hold on, now, Piney. Wasn't there some sort of
like understanding beforehand that when you had reached one hundred
caps for the Silver Ferns, you were then eligible to
go play overseas and you could still play for the
Silver Ferns.

Speaker 6 (11:12):
Wasn't there that never been a rule, never been a
written down rule. There was an understanding that that might
be the case. But as it turned out, the players themselves,
some of them thought that, I think it was seventy five,
and then they found out, actually, no, there's no such rule.
There's no such rule. It was like an urban myth.

Speaker 2 (11:28):
But what are the chances that they say, okay, Grace,
you can apply, and then they have some random and
arbitrary thing that they measure her against and find that.

Speaker 6 (11:36):
She can't, then sack the board, Heather sack the ball.

Speaker 2 (11:39):
So the chances of that happening is zero a zero zero.

Speaker 6 (11:42):
This is a rule will allow Grace Wiki and others,
not everybody, but others who are extremely valuable to the
Ferns to do both.

Speaker 2 (11:50):
Yep, excellent, Piney, thank you for running us through to
appreciate it. That's Jason Pine sports talk host. Hey, Tiger
White seat, Oh listen, hold on a tick. I'm getting
a lot of texts that's saying I'm for not going
to k Mart. Oh no, no, no, I go to Kmart.
I do go to Kmart. I was just pointing out
it was a lot of mentions of Kmart. I mean, like,
if I was writing my memoir, I don't think I

(12:11):
would run you through all the times I went to
Kmart and bought my yellow jewelry box. That's the level
of detail we're getting down to. Justinda's book. That's not
what I don't get me wrong. I went to camp.
We can have chats about my Kmart shops if you
want to, but I don't think you want to. So
I was just surprised that in a book, you know
that she was being so uneconomical with her stories. Anyway,
we'll get to that later. Tiger Whititty good news for him.

(12:33):
He's just been given the Judge Dread movie, so he's
going to direct that. It's going to be written by
the guy who wrote Iron Man three, Hobbs and Shaw
and The Fall Guy, and this is big news for him. Partly,
it's big news for him because the last movie that
it did was a bit of a financial and kind
of it was a financial flop. And also it didn't
get any acclaim. It was just a bit rubbish. So
to be given this is quite a big deal. But

(12:53):
also he said Judge Dread long time ago. He said
Dudge Dread was an influence on what he was doing
all ready, so it'll be a big deal for them
to complete that circle for twenty two.

Speaker 1 (13:03):
Moving the big stories of the day from forward Award,
it's Heather Duplicy on and drive with one New Zealand
let's get connected news talks.

Speaker 2 (13:12):
That'd be four twenty five. Now look post cabinet press
conferences on at the moment and the big announcement from
that is that the White Couple Medical School has been
given the go ahead. The Health Minister, Simeon Brown has
confirmed this.

Speaker 7 (13:25):
Today's decision will allow the University of Waikato to begin
construction on construction of new teaching facilities later this year
and start planning for one hundred and twenty clinical placements.
The business case confirmed this model will deliver the greatest
long term benefit to New Zealand.

Speaker 2 (13:41):
Now this has raised some eyebrows because Act one of
the coalition parties has long been saying that they yet
to be convinced of the business case.

Speaker 8 (13:49):
Sorry, we made a cabinet decision as a cabinet, as
a government to say this is a project that we
want to progress and.

Speaker 9 (13:54):
Go forward with.

Speaker 8 (13:55):
We obviously put it through a detailed business case as
was as was the plan, and we've come to a
good resultant, a good outcome.

Speaker 2 (14:02):
Okay, So obviously something has changed to get act across
the line on this. So what has changed is that
the government has radically slashed how much they think this
thing was going to cost. Now the government originally it
was going to cost three hundred and eighty million dollars.
The government was going to put in two eighty million,
And Whykuttle University was going to put in one hundred million.
Whykuttle University is now going to put in one fifty

(14:24):
between itself and philanthropists. And the government's contribution from two
to eighty million has now dropped to eighty three million dollars.

Speaker 7 (14:31):
There's about one hundred and fifty million dollars that the
university is contributing. They have increased their contribution through this process.
They have philanthropic supporters who are backing this in the Waikato,
and the government is adding eighty million dollars on top
of that to ensure that this is delivered so that
we can have a third medical score. It's a great
outcome for New Zealand. It's a great outcome for the Waikato.

Speaker 2 (14:54):
Okay, we're going to speak to Simmon Brown about this
after five o'clock. I'm sure Barry Soopaill has something to
say when he's with us. And around about fifteen minutes
or twenty minutes time, really quickly inflation numbers. What drove
the inflation up this time around was power prices. Have
you noticed what's going on with your power bill? Man alive?
It's hard to look at They went up four point

(15:15):
nine percent, so let's just say five percent. That's the
largest quarterly increase in more than a decade in the
power prices. Also, another thing which was a major contributor
to inflation was in fact Netflix and streaming services going
up in price. Petrol prices for once, we can say,
was not a contributor. They went down about five percent.
We're not even counting the council rates yet that's coming

(15:37):
at some stage anyway. Ki we Bank with more on
that after five news dogs'd.

Speaker 1 (15:41):
Be recapping the day's big news and making tomorrow's headlines.
It's Heather duplicity, Elan Drive with one New Zealand let's
get connected. News dog said, bas to.

Speaker 10 (16:02):
Have value.

Speaker 11 (16:05):
Right Verry.

Speaker 2 (16:05):
So it's going to be a US and ten minutes time.
Big news for the old retailers, the crackdown and the
retailers today. The Comcom's coming after another one of them,
and this is nol Leaming. What they're having a crack
at nol Leaming over is that policy that Noel Leaming
has got with if you find a product cheaper somewhere else,
then nol Leaming will match the price. Comma's Commission says
that's actually really misleading under the Fair Trading Act because

(16:27):
there are too many hidden limitations and conditions. So it's
not as simple as it seems. You don't simply go
up to nol Leming go oh look, I can get
that dishwasher at Harvey Norman for two hundred dollars less,
and then they go, oh, okay, cool to take two
hundred dollars off blow. But there'll be so many little
you know, fine print blah blah blah. You can't. You
just can't get what they say they're going to give you. Anyway,
we'll have a chat to consume a New Zealand about

(16:47):
that quarter past five. Right now, it's twenty four away
from five.

Speaker 1 (16:51):
It's the world wires on newstalks, they'd be drive.

Speaker 2 (16:55):
At least seventeen people have died in floods and landslides
in South Korea. This man's home is flooded.

Speaker 9 (17:00):
When the water gushed towards the house, the cows were
trying to step anywhere they could to get a foothold
in the floodwater, stretching their necks up to keep breathing
and splashing through water. It was utter chaos.

Speaker 2 (17:11):
First day back at school for Australia's new parliament. Opposition
leader Susan Lee is raring to go.

Speaker 12 (17:17):
Now mister Abnezi's giving interviews and he's suggesting that we
should just get out of the way.

Speaker 2 (17:20):
Well, we won't be getting out of the way.

Speaker 13 (17:22):
Our job is to represent the millions of Australians who
voted for US.

Speaker 2 (17:28):
Ozzie corresponding Ollie Peterson's also rearing to go, so we'll
chat to him shortly and finally, David Beckham has had
a bit of a DIY haircut disaster can happen to
any of us. He was trying to give himself a
buzz cut, but then he shaved an awkward ball patch
at the front of his scalp and he was clearly
going for a number two, but he's ended up with
kind of a bit of a mix of a number
two and then a number zero, and naturally, being a

(17:49):
good wife, Posh chucked it up on an insta.

Speaker 7 (17:51):
It's not funny.

Speaker 13 (17:52):
I mean hours of content that the kids had.

Speaker 8 (17:55):
Got from mess the clipper had fell off.

Speaker 14 (17:58):
It does not look good.

Speaker 2 (18:00):
I'm going to always be honest with you. It looks terrible.

Speaker 1 (18:04):
International Correspondence with ends and eye Insurance Peace of mind
for New Zealand Business.

Speaker 2 (18:09):
Olly Peterson's sixty hour Perth Live presenters with us Ali. Hello,
are you there? Ali?

Speaker 15 (18:19):
I am Can you hear me?

Speaker 2 (18:20):
Heather? Can you do have a DIY?

Speaker 3 (18:21):
Are you here?

Speaker 4 (18:22):
No?

Speaker 15 (18:23):
I don't, no way. Now I go to Brendan and
he looks after me at Blink Blonde. He's outstanding.

Speaker 2 (18:27):
How much do you pay brandan sixty eight dollars? And
how often do you go every five weeks. Yeah, five
weeks and what do you know?

Speaker 15 (18:34):
It's pretty expensive, isn't it. But like he's really good
and I enjoy a little massage in my hair. We
have a chat to Brendan. He's good. He's good bloke.

Speaker 2 (18:40):
If you're ever in Perth, Heather, go and see him. Okay, yeah, cool?
What do you ask for bowl cut.

Speaker 15 (18:46):
Or I just he just as the usual number two
around the sides, then styles the hair on top of
me in and out about half an hour.

Speaker 2 (18:53):
It's great. I'll ask him for a short back and
sides as well. All right, So has it been a
good day for elbow?

Speaker 11 (18:59):
Well?

Speaker 2 (19:00):
On he his cockahoop.

Speaker 15 (19:01):
He wakes up to news poll this morning which shows
that the Coalition is in the worst shape it has
ever been, historic lows for Susan Lean, I know she
was fired up there in the world wah has but
good luck the optics of when they sit in the Parliament,
there's just five women on the Liberal and Coalition side
of the benches which have been absolutely decimated. So as

(19:22):
you and I talk right now, Heather, he is welcoming
all the labor courses. They're all signing and smiling for
the cameras and it's a bit of a party really
at Parliament House in Canberra, the Prime Minister saying that
this week he's going to slash university hex step by
twenty percent. That's his first time of a business and
he wants to really focus on childcare reform in the
wake of what we heard out of Victoria in the

(19:43):
last couple of weeks. So they're his first major priorities.
He doesn't want to take for granted, obviously the opportunities
that Australians have given the Albanese government. But already today
out there they're floating this idea of capital gains tax reform.
So I think he'll be he'll be right on top
of it for the first few weeks and we're going
to really discover what the coalition is these days for

(20:04):
Susan Lee.

Speaker 2 (20:05):
They're not going to be the noalition that Peter Dutton led.
But what approach that the coalition takes.

Speaker 15 (20:10):
Is anybody's guests, because they are really in the wilderness.

Speaker 2 (20:14):
Now, what reform can he actually do with childcare? Because
I mean, it seems to me that the problem here
was simply that a creep managed to work in a
child care place, and either you have to just vet
better or unfortunately accept that there will be some who
will get through the vetting.

Speaker 15 (20:31):
And I think you've nailed it by just saying you
need to vet people better, and that's really down to
state responsibilities unless you're going to have Commonwealth laws. He's
also talking about the cost of childcare and the fact
that he wants to bring that down for working families.

Speaker 2 (20:45):
But you're right, there's not much more that could be done.

Speaker 15 (20:48):
And I know it's become a bit of a gendered
issue in Australia in regards to men who are childcare workers.

Speaker 2 (20:53):
But look, I'll say, this is a blokeheader.

Speaker 15 (20:55):
I wouldn't want a three year old being looked after
a bloke in a childcare center. Just actually think it's
a bit odd, But that that's just me. So you know,
I think that we'll see the vetting process now.

Speaker 16 (21:07):
I don't know.

Speaker 2 (21:07):
I just look, I just don't get it head.

Speaker 15 (21:10):
I just don't get why a man would actually want
to go into a childcare center in terms of that
that's a job that they want to do.

Speaker 2 (21:18):
And nine, OK, nineteen twenty three, and that's fine, but
that's me. I said that I'll copy it. But I
just I do I think it's a bit odd. I
really do think it's a bit odd. Okay, interesting, that's
a discussion for another day that we have instantly, we
have a good debate. Yeah, no, absolutely, listen, talk to
me about the Tasmania election, because it is am I
right in that it is something of a surprise that

(21:39):
the Liberal Party is actually getting the first shot.

Speaker 15 (21:41):
At this well, that's right, and the fact that after
eleven years the Liberal Party still holds on it.

Speaker 2 (21:47):
Basically nothing's changed over the weekend.

Speaker 15 (21:49):
They've got fourteen seats, the same number they had when
a vote of no confidence was called on the Tasmanian
Premier Jeremy Rockcliffe. The Labor Party only has ten. The
magic number was eighteen. What is though, giving the Labor
Party reason to say no, no, no, you should look to
us is the fact there are about nine cross benches
from the left side of politics, so you know, they

(22:10):
go with the Labor Party giving them nineteen, but the
Liberal Party would then have fifteen and maybe convince a
few others. It's a mess, it's a shambles tasmaniic, we
already knew that, Like you know, Tasmania that's a little
squeeze little place between mainland Australia and New Zealand. Do
you want it, you can have it?

Speaker 2 (22:27):
Well why not? Now, how are the teens being recruited
by the gangs.

Speaker 15 (22:32):
Well, this is rather interesting, but they're trying to get
around the idea that you know, basically you can't prosecute
well you can still prosecute children. But what they're doing
is they're getting some of the deadly work being done
by teenagers.

Speaker 2 (22:42):
So sort of the.

Speaker 15 (22:43):
Weapons that they've been found with, handguns, bayonets found in
parts of Western Sydney teenagers' homes and they're saying this
is alarming, and they're doing this because they giving it
to the kids, as I said, because they're not going
to be as as harshly dealt with by the police force.
You know, usually it's a bit of a slap on
the wrist to these means who are being recruited by
the gangs. So again I don't think that's probably anything
you that probably gangs from run around the world have

(23:06):
been doing for years. But they say that they're really
infiltrating a lot of Western Sydney communities and the payoff
the needs for their families. They're giving them money to say,
let you can you get your son to try and
smuggle this into a certain part of Sydney. So that's
something they're very worried about.

Speaker 2 (23:20):
All right, Hey Onli, look after yourself and we chat
again about blokes working in childcare at some stage. Oliver
Veters six PR Perth Live presenter. It's not looking good
for the wide or council.

Speaker 1 (23:29):
Now.

Speaker 2 (23:29):
If you find yourself currently in Wide or chuck your
hand off the counsel it's a shoe in because only
one candidate has put his hand up for nomination. Jeremy,
who is the CEO of Northern Hawks Bay Roading Company
QR essen, is already a counselor. Is literally the only
person who is asking to be a counselor. No one
else has registered yet. There is the outside chance that

(23:54):
their forms are in the mail or just got lost
or something like that, but most likely no one wants
to be around the council table. Anyway you've got about
I think it lasts like eleven days because the nominations
close at noon on August one. So if you're thinking
about it, it's easy money, which is a problem in

(24:14):
and of itself. But there you go. Seventeen away from.

Speaker 1 (24:16):
Five Politics with centrics credit, check your customers and get payments, thirtaty.

Speaker 2 (24:21):
Get fourteen away from five and Barrrie Soper Political Senior
Political correspondence with us Hi Barry.

Speaker 5 (24:25):
Good afternoon, Heather, So.

Speaker 2 (24:28):
The Waikato Medical School. Are you loving this?

Speaker 13 (24:31):
Well?

Speaker 5 (24:31):
We talked about it last year or sorry, in the
lead up to the election in twenty twenty three, didn't we.
They were then saying it was going to cost the
taxpayer about two hundred and eighty odd million dollars to
set it up. Well, the taxpayer is stumping up only
eighty million dollars. The rest is coming from the Waikato
University and philanthropists. But the thing that interested me as

(24:56):
soon as Chris Luxen and samm Bra we're at the
podium announcing this new Medical School Act, was putting out
a statement claiming credit for driving down the price. I mean,
why can't they just pull back a bit and allow
the government, if it wants to take credit for this,
take credit for it as a collective. But no, David

(25:19):
Seymour was there saying it's acts rigorous, questioning they helped
to ensure more efficient investment and Kiwi's got a bit
of deal out of it well. Chris likes and says
the creation of the new medical schools essential for coping
with our aging population.

Speaker 8 (25:33):
We've got anyway from two to three hundred, three hundred
and fifty students from New Zealand studying in Australian universities
doing medicine. And once they go there and they do
their studies there, yes, so some of them will come back,
but not all of them. And so the actual opportunity
about creating more spaces and opening up more spaces for
medical students. We've been trying to do that like expanding
places obviously in Otago and also in Auckland. But obviously

(25:55):
this is quite a big leap forward as we put
another one hundred and twenty slots into training each year.
If you're going to have a rising population, you've got
one medical school for two point six million people. We
look at Australia, one medical school for every one point
two million in Australian So you know, we need to
be able to start to move in that place and
make this investment.

Speaker 5 (26:10):
So that's a reasonable argument, I think, and you know
twenty twenty eight that's when it's meant to start. I'll
start producing students in twenty thirty two. But the thing
is or doctors.

Speaker 2 (26:22):
Sorry it is the first in take twenty eight, twenty eight.

Speaker 5 (26:24):
Yeah, but the thing is, how do you tell a
person that's graduated medical school to stay in the region?
And I don't know are they going to bond them?
They weren't asked at the news conference. I would have
liked to have known that. So how do they keep
them in the area. They say they're drawing them in
from the Waikato region, but I don't know how they're

(26:45):
going to ensure that they stay there once they graduate.

Speaker 2 (26:48):
Fair question. Yeah, what do you make of the NCAA changes.

Speaker 5 (26:51):
Well, I think they have to come, don't they. I
mean n CEA is it's been a dog ever since
it was introduced by the Any Education Minister, Travel Mallard
back in two thousand and two. And it really they
sold it on the key being flexibility and it essentially

(27:12):
allows And we saw one of our lovely producers out
there saying today that he got mathematics credits through doing geography.

Speaker 2 (27:21):
He met them from his geography, cross.

Speaker 5 (27:23):
Credit geography and then get enough credits in mathematics, and
that's how the system is wrought by schemes like that
and jacking up sums so that they get the right credits.
Why don't they just go back to what we used
to have school certificate university entrance. And I know it

(27:44):
sound like an old fogy going on about it, but
at least it was a national standard. This isn't This
is so buried in how it applies to me, it
just doesn't make it.

Speaker 2 (27:55):
I always think that if you see parents starting to
avoid something, then you must must acknowledge there's a problem
with it. And parents are going out of their way
to avoid this and to go for ib and Cambridge,
so you know that's right. But still, regardless of the
fact that you and I might think it's a slam dunk,
it is a really brave thing for Eric Stanford to
do to overhaul something as significant as this.

Speaker 5 (28:16):
Right, Well, you know governments, as we said at the
outset of this, they've done it before. They can do
it again.

Speaker 2 (28:21):
Absolutely all right Now, I can't quite understand who are
these councils and government departments paying good money to set
up what is it Maldi language apps or something.

Speaker 5 (28:31):
Yes they are and I can tell you who's wasting
the money go on. Then this is through the taxpayers
Union are inquired of them today. Acc they've spent thirty
eight thousand dollars on getting an app that's already available
through a nationalized system, the Ministry for Primary Industries MB,
the Ministry of Business, the Ministry of Social Development. As

(28:55):
if they can afford to spend money, willing lily will
they spend forty three and a half thousand dollars developing
an app. But if you're worried about your rates being high,
and if you live in Taronga, then they spend seventy
five thousand dollars in getting their own cultural app. And
do you know how many times it was downloaded? Just

(29:16):
over two thousand, So that's about thirty four dollars for
each time it's downloaded. The way Cato Regional Council they
also spent thirty four thousand dollars on it. Now this
is available nationally through the Maori Language Commission, so you
can have you can adopt that app and save yourself

(29:37):
the travel of spending all this money, much of it taxpayers.

Speaker 2 (29:41):
Yeah, I mean, it's not beating up. It's not beating
up on the fact that it is a Maori language.
App right, it is beating up on the fact that
if these things are already really available, why are you
spending money duplicating precisely? Yeah, Barry, thanks very much. Barry Soper,
Senior political correspondent, coming up eight away from five.

Speaker 1 (29:56):
Putting the tough questions to the newspeakers the MICUs breakfast.

Speaker 17 (30:00):
The Prime Minister is with us, So you cut into
the public service. And yet I read a rung a
tomaeriki is spending two million dollars a year plus on
communication stuff. How's this possible?

Speaker 4 (30:08):
Yeah?

Speaker 8 (30:09):
Funny you say that someone raised that with me.

Speaker 10 (30:11):
I say that at all.

Speaker 8 (30:12):
No, what I mean is it is an awful lot
of comms people in the government service, and we've been
trying to say it. Get rid of the back office,
make sure you put the resources in the front line.

Speaker 5 (30:20):
Why don't you just sack them?

Speaker 8 (30:21):
Well, I mean, we're putting the pressure back on CEOs
to say, you've got these goals to deliver for us.
How you organize your resources is up to you, but
we're going to hold you accountable.

Speaker 17 (30:29):
So you're in charge of it. And this is a
rung a Tamaeriki who couldn't get out of their own
way if their life depended on it. Back tomorrow at
six am the Mic Hosking Breakfast with a Vida News
Talk zb YEA.

Speaker 2 (30:40):
The Auckland Council has done their own Mardi language app
as well. Geez, I'll tell you what if you stripped
out all the duplication, like the stuff that already exists
that councils and various government departments feel that they've got
to do themselves just so they can have their own
bespoke version of it. You strip that out of public spending,
I reckon would save millions and millions and millions and
millions of dollars. And you just wish that they could

(31:02):
kind of just get exercise some common sense. But evidently
not five away from five now, Ali Williams and Anna Moobray,
you know, the ones who got the helicopter pad approved
for Westmere, for their place in Westmere, that is now
going to court again. It's being challenged through an appeal
by a group called Quiet Sky White to Matar. These
guys say the radical ruling reflects an unanticipated interpretation of

(31:24):
the Auckland Unitary Plan. It goes against overwhelming public sentiment
to a oppose private helicopters in residential areas. If this
decision isn't challenged, the flood gates for helicopters in backyards
will open. We simply can't let this terrible decision stand.
So keep an eye on that one. Now, AI. Listen.
I love AI, and actually I'm getting a bit I'm

(31:45):
becoming slightly weirdly obsessed about it. But one of the
greatest risks with AI is with mental health, and that
if you use it to sort of ask it questions
about in fact, just any health. Really, if you ask
it questions, it can actually validate what you're thinking. That
the risk is that it validates what you're thinking and
then makes your delusions or your concerns worse. And there

(32:06):
is a really striking case of this is a chap
called Jacob Irwin who's thirty years old and he's on
the autism spectrum. He's from the States. He was convinced
that he had achieved the ability to bend time, and
so he asked chat gpt to find flaws with his
amateur theory on faster than light travel, and chat GPT
was encouraging him, telling him his theory was sound, and
then when he started showing size of psychological distress, chat

(32:29):
GPT assured him that he was absolutely fine. But he
was not fine at all. He had some manic episodes
and he ended up in hospital twice in May for
those manic episodes. Anyway, when this happened, that his mum
went online and looked at his chat log with chat
GPT to try to find out what had gone wrong here,
and there were hundreds of pages, hundreds of pages of
overly flattering messages from chat gpt. So she asked the

(32:54):
bot please self report what went wrong, and it fessed
up by not pausing the flow or elevating real check messaging,
I failed to interrupt what could resemble a manical dissociative episode.
It admitted it gave the illusion of sentient champion companionship
and that it had blurred the line between imaginative role
play and reality. And what it should have done was

(33:15):
remind him that it's just a language model and it
doesn't have feelings or beliefs or consciousness. What's creepy about
that is it knows what it did wrong, but it
did it anyway. Sime and Brown, Health Minister with us Next.

Speaker 1 (33:36):
Z Questions, answers, facts, analysis, the Drive show you trust
for the full picture. Heather Dupasy on Drive with One
New Zealand, Let's get connected and news talks.

Speaker 2 (33:52):
That'd be good afternoon. The government has given the green
light to the White Couple Medical School. The school is
set to have a focus on tree in GPS and
rural doctors. The government will put in lease money and
the university will put in more money than previously pitched.
The Health Minister is Simeon Brown High.

Speaker 7 (34:07):
Simn Hello, Heather, how are you?

Speaker 2 (34:10):
I'm very well, thank you. Now this is coming cheaper
than we originally thought. What did you cut out to
make it cheaper?

Speaker 7 (34:15):
Well, it's gone through a rigorous business case process with
the university to make sure that we're getting value for
money and that as you go through those processes that's
what you achieve. But also we've now made the decision
based on that business case to press go, and the
university is part of that has agreed to put in
more funding alongside it's philanthropic donor base to support what

(34:39):
is I think a historical day for New Zealand, which
is that we will now have a third medical school
training doctors in this country.

Speaker 2 (34:45):
Okay, and have you cut anything out to make it cheaper.

Speaker 13 (34:49):
No.

Speaker 7 (34:49):
Ultimately, this is delivering the same number of doctors per
one hundred and twenty doctors per year from when it opens.
So it's delivering the same number of doctors. It invests
in new clinical teaching space, it delivers the clinical placement
placements across the regional communities that it will serve. And
as I said, a historical day for New Zealand partnering

(35:12):
with the Waikato University and their donors to ensure that
New Zealand has a third medical school which secures medical
training for many years to come in this country.

Speaker 2 (35:21):
Was it cheaper to do this or was it cheaper
to increase the number of students at Auckland and Otago
by the same number.

Speaker 7 (35:29):
Well, firstly, we're doing both over the course of the government.
We are increasing the number of doctor training places by
one hundred across the University of Auckland and the University
of Otago. It is more cost effective on it in
terms of this is a four year program rather than
a six year program, so there's the cost per student
is less through this program because it's a post graduate

(35:53):
degree rather than a graduate degree which is through the
other universities. And fundamentally that's a critical point because this
is about attracting a broader range of people to become GPS.
These are people who could have graduated in another field.
They may be working as a nurse or a paramedic,
want to train an up skill to be a doctor.

(36:13):
This is about attracting people from those rural communities working
and potentially in healthcare and different role giving them the
opportunity to upskill become a doctor, train in place, in place,
mute to those communities where it hard to attract and
retain medical professionals. So this is a significant and historical
day for New Zealand and particularly for our royal communities.

Speaker 2 (36:36):
I mean it's focus on GPS and rural doctors. Will
it have the ability to train further than that? Can
you go into a speciality like a surgeon.

Speaker 7 (36:44):
Well, that's as doing your degree, that's what this is about.
Being becoming a doctor. After that, then of course there
are a range of specialties that become available, whether that's
general practice or other specialties. Those pathways will still exist,
but this is about identifying people who wish to train

(37:06):
with that specialty of being a gp of working in
rural health in mind, and ultimately encouraging them through the
placements to work in those communities so that we can
retain and attract people into those communities where it is
hard to staff when it comes to healthcare.

Speaker 2 (37:21):
Thanks, Amine, appreciate it, sim and Brown Health Minister Heather
Dupers the al inflation has climbed ever so slightly. It's
coming at two point seven percent, which is actually dangerously
closed to the top end of the target bank you know,
set by the rbnzet of three percent, but it's coming
less than we expected at two point eight two point nine.
Mary Joe Vigara is a senior economist at KIWI Bank.
Mary Joe, Hi, how are you. I'm well, thank you.

(37:44):
Do you think this is temporary?

Speaker 3 (37:46):
Yeah?

Speaker 18 (37:46):
I don't think there is really anything in today's report
to suggest that this kind of bout of high inflation
will be persisted. It's not like what we score during
twenty twenty. There's the economic undercurrent, so it's still very weak,
and you'll domestic inflation that's really trending down. So I
don't think this is going to be something that's persistent.
It should be a spike, which means goes up and

(38:08):
it goes back down.

Speaker 2 (38:09):
Brilliant. So we're still going to get that oc we
next month.

Speaker 18 (38:13):
I think it does. I think it opens the door
quite quite firmly to a rate cut in August. There's
just nothing in the data suggested this inflation that will
be persistent, that should flow through to inflation expectations, all
of that being contained. I think the economy needs that
rate relief, and this really does open the door for

(38:34):
a rate cut next month.

Speaker 2 (38:36):
Okay, so you guys have got August locked in? What
are the rate cuts? Are you guys picking?

Speaker 18 (38:40):
We still think we need the cash rate to be
firmly in that stimulatary territory, so we think the cash
rates should go down to two and a half percent.
That's what we're forecasting. Again, we've had so much easing,
but all those interest rates sensitive sectors, construction, all of
them are still quite weak, which just points to the
fact that there needs to be even more relief. So
it's been a lot of easing done. We still expected

(39:01):
to turn around, but to actually secure and guarantee your recovery,
when you're a broad based economic recovery, we need more
stimulus from there's a bank.

Speaker 2 (39:10):
And how confident are you that we are going to
have a good economic recovery underway before election next year.

Speaker 18 (39:17):
It's just it's the way monetary policy works. You know,
there's a bank, say it's they've eased interest rates quite
a lot two hundred and twenty five basis point. That's
been you know, we've seen interest rates retail rates for
quite a lot. There's a wave, a big wave of
mortgage refixing coming and we should see household disposable incomes
increase and that should flow through to more spending. But

(39:39):
we just need a little bit more to actually secure
that recovery you've seen. You know, we're coiling out of
a really deep recession from last year, and just to
prevent any further unnecessary, you know, damage to the lave market,
we really need to have more stimilists come come through
some there is a bank marriage.

Speaker 2 (39:55):
I thank you marriage Ovigara Kiwibank Senior economist Heather duplessy Ellen,
do you remember Federated Farmers later complaints with the Commerce
Commission complaining about the major banks and also I think
it was Rabobank, Yeah, and Rabobank for that net zero
banking stuff that they're getting up to, you know, the
tying themselves up in knots to try to get their

(40:16):
emissions down to god knows where unreasonable level and as
a result they're making it hard is harder, according to
Federated Farmers, for farmers to get loans and you know,
top up their loans and increase their borrowing and blah
blah blah. Anyway, they complained to the Commis Commission about this.
They said it was cartel like behavior. The Commerce Commission,
not surprisingly, has dismissed this claim. They say there's no

(40:38):
evidence is what's happened, as all the banks have signed
up to this net zero Alliance thing through the UN
and what the Commerce Commission has said is that the
alliance does not prescribe targets for the signatories. It gave
it came a framework for target secting. It gave some
some tools to assess the emissions and how to speed
up the lending towards low carbon activity. Blah blah blah.
So it sort of just directed the banks and how

(41:00):
to get there. But it's not cartel like. That is
not altogether a surprise. It was a long shot. What
Federated Farmers were up to. But I feel like Federated
Farmers may have achieved sort of what it was trying
to do in the first place, which was just to
kind of draw attention to the shenanigans that the banks
are getting up to in the name of climate change,
and I think they managed to do that. Fourteen past five,

(41:22):
by the way, on that business, we were just talking
to Waikatul University Medical School with Simmy and Brown. We
are going to talk to Nicolauleus, the Finance Minister about
this after six o'clock. And I'm actually not finished talking
about it right now, so we'll deal with it shortly.
It's seventeen past five right now.

Speaker 13 (41:35):
Now.

Speaker 2 (41:36):
The Commerce Commission is continuing its run of prosecuting retailers.
It's now filed criminal charges against Noel Leming and this
is over its price promise.

Speaker 1 (41:43):
Now.

Speaker 2 (41:43):
The price promise is the policy where if you find
a product cheaper somewhere else, Noel Leming will match the
price for you. John Duffy is the CEO of Consumer
New Zealand.

Speaker 16 (41:51):
A John, Hey, here the hell's going.

Speaker 2 (41:54):
I'm very well, thank you. Do you have any concerns
around the price promise?

Speaker 3 (41:59):
Here?

Speaker 16 (41:59):
I mean, it is a high risk strategy for retailers
because you know, there's there's lots that can come in
between your ability to offer the product and the customs
of ability to find out elsewhere, including online, including you know, offshore.
There's lots of there's lots of caveats that businesses need
to do when they're offering these promises. And if those caveats,

(42:22):
if that list of caveats gets too long, you know,
agencies like the Communist Commission can start getting concerned that actually,
maybe the headline offer that it's a price matching promise
might not be as true as you'd hope it would be.

Speaker 2 (42:36):
That sounds really subjective, though, I mean there's no there's
no there's no objective way to dealt with the list
is too long, is there?

Speaker 4 (42:45):
Yeah?

Speaker 16 (42:46):
Maybe that that was a bad example. But if you
if you get good examples of caveats that that make
the headline advertising misleading. For example, if you are the
only stockist of a product, if you haven't exclusive deal
with a brand that can't be bought or a product
that can't be bought anywhere else, and you say we'll
match this price elsewhere, well that's pretty misleading because you

(43:08):
can't buy it elsewhere fair enough.

Speaker 2 (43:11):
Do you ever see? I mean, they said that they
had about two hundred and fifty thousand people actually use
the price promise between twenty nineteen and twenty twenty one,
So if you count all three years, then what's that
about eighty thousand people a year? Is that reasonable?

Speaker 16 (43:26):
Well, it kind of shows if the price profice is misleading.
It actually shows the scale of the problem. So if
they're putting that much volume through and they're misrepresenting the
terms here, well that's a huge number of people who
have been impacted by what could be misleading conduct. We'll
have to see how the case pans out to see
what the court decides, but we should also remember that

(43:47):
this is although I've noticed no oil Lemmings have come
out and made comments refuting the allegations, but they're really
only focusing on this price promise part of the Commission's prosecution,
which is only one part kind of three heads. They've
also been pinged for potentially misleading or allegedly misleading people
about their rights under the Consumer Guarantees Act, which is

(44:10):
really interesting when you look at our complaints data about
nol Lemming. The vast majority of those complaints relate to
products that have broken or are faulty. So if people
are taking stuff back to the store and getting mislead
about their rights to a refund or a replacement, that's
very concerning.

Speaker 2 (44:27):
Okay, John, thanks so much. John Duffy, Consumer CEO. Heather
my Son got his NCEA in English by doing a
barista course. That's the kind of nonsense that's going on
in NCAA anyway. The New Zealand initiatives are Michael Johnston,
I suspect is quite hot on the NCAA. He's going
to be a US and fifteen minutes five to twenty one.

Speaker 1 (44:46):
Informed inside into today's issues. It's Heather duplicy elan drive
with one New Zealand let's get connected news talks that'd
be heither.

Speaker 2 (44:55):
I had an interesting price match incident recently where one
retailer refused a price match offer because, upon checking the
position's website, the item was out of stock but could
be ordered overnight, and I chose to just order overnight.
I'll see five point twenty three. Now here's a prediction
for you. Watch that y Cuttle University Medical School cost blowout.
I reckon it's going to blow out. They're all the sides.

(45:17):
This thing is going to blow out. Even when the
y Cuttle University was itself putting in less money, which
is one hundred million dollars, there were questions about whether
it could afford it because Wycuttle University's debt level is
just it's maxed out at the moment. So everybody looked
at it and went, are you actually gonna be able
to afford it?

Speaker 5 (45:34):
Will?

Speaker 2 (45:34):
Now it not only has to put in one hundred
million dollars, it has to put in one hundred and
fifty million dollars between itself and some philanthropists. It needs
to find Now, what do you think happens if, for
whatever reason it cannot quite find that money? Who do
you think is going to be called upon to fund
the gap? The long suffering taxpayer. That's a blowout for us. Now,

(45:55):
that's not even to mention that, not even mentioning the
chances that this thing costs much more than what they
say it it's going to cost. I'm very suspicious about
how it is that a three hundred and eighty million
dollar project suddenly got cut down to two hundred and
thirty thirty million dollars without anything actually being cut out
of it. How did that happen? And even at the
higher estimate, which was three hundred and eighty million dollars,

(46:16):
I was already worried that that wasn't really going to
cover it, because there were warnings then that it was
going to blow out because the thing is being rushed.
Treasury said that whenever we rush things like the Dunedin
Hospital build, we end up with unexpected quote unexpected and
often urgent cost escalations. Now I am incredibly cynical about
the fact that the government has somehow managed to radically

(46:38):
cut the costs of a scheme that was being questioned
for being too expensive and unnecessary, when we already have
two medical schools. And I worry very much that we
have been presented the best case scenario to get us
across the line on a National Party election promise that
actually wasn't stucking up anymore, and that once we've invested
in this and the shovels are in the ground and
the costs start to blow out, we go, well, we're

(47:01):
already pouring money into it. We simply will have to
continue pouring money into it, which is how this always
goes so I hope that this comes in under budget,
and if it does, I absolutely will apologize for what
I'm saying right now, but I don't think it will
forgever do for ce Ellen. Oh by the way, here, well,

(47:21):
the boy racer thing over the weekend, So the boy racer.
I got woken up by the boy racer thing over
the weekend because there was lights and sirens. Normally the
cops don't use the lights and sirens on the residential streets,
but they had to do some lights and sirens in
the middle of the night, and then they had the
chop up going hard, and so I knew something was up. Anyway,
I wish that I was the first one. I was

(47:42):
hoping to God that nobody else knew what it happens,
so I could come at hot off the press tell
you what it was, But unfortunately the news has already broken.
It was the boy racers. But what I do know
is it's the very same people who did the live
in thing, and I don't know if that's been reported.
It was the same ones who decided to come and
do the same the Auckland one as well. And the
reason I know that because there was a booze bus
near us yesterday, and my three year old loves the

(48:05):
police with a passion that is unmatched in anything else.
And so because he saw the police, we had to go.
We had to wait for the booze bus to finish,
and then we had to go and talk to the
police and ask them what they're doing and all the stuff.
And so then I said to the police officer, well,
you guys were noisy last night. What was up? And
he said, yeah, it was It was the boy races

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going around And then Ants tells me who was it?

Speaker 13 (48:27):
Ants?

Speaker 2 (48:27):
Who's it online that was chatting up?

Speaker 19 (48:29):
Oh, the Pons and Bee Graylan Grapevine facebook group. Absolutely,
if you live in the area, you just need to
be in that Facebook.

Speaker 2 (48:35):
It's great. Well, now I need to So the ponds
and be Graylan people were fizzing about the Eagle helicopter
because they're not used to this kind of carry on
in their neck of the woods.

Speaker 19 (48:43):
I appreciate you're not exactly neighbors with the mobras, but
I hope the helicopter didn't fly too far over that way.

Speaker 2 (48:47):
They would have upset a lot of it. Lord, can
you imagine Can you imagine the ponds and be Graylan
grape Vine is going to go off. When the mowbrays
are flying around, it's going to be absolutely nuts. So anyway, listen,
we got the huddle coming up shortly. I wasn't going
to mention Sunny Koschal again, but I might because of
an email. So we'll come back to that.

Speaker 1 (49:10):
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Speaker 2 (49:22):
Hey, Nikola Willis is with us after six and we've
got the huddle standing by last week when I was
doing Mike's show, it's nice to be back in the
land of the living. I'll tell you that I was
talking about what I've been talking about was AI and
the crawlers, right, because AI is ripping the night of Google,
and now they're putting up these little toll booths to
get the AI crawlers to pay for being on the websites,

(49:44):
the only way really to monetize the thing. There is
a little bit of a move that is here ongoing here,
and we've got cloud Fair who's going to be with
us in about an hour's time to explain exactly how
it works. It's twenty four away from.

Speaker 1 (49:55):
Six ever duplicy la.

Speaker 2 (49:57):
Now, as we've discussed, the government's not ruling out in
the NCEEA altogether. The Education Minister has received a report.
It says that schools and students are gaming the credit system.
It needs substantial change. Here's Auckland Grammar Headmaster Tim O'Connor.

Speaker 20 (50:10):
I think you change it to an examination based system.
We make it pretty simple. Here's the thought. We assess
it against the National curriculum because currently NCAA doesn't do that.

Speaker 2 (50:24):
Doctor Michael Johnston is a senior fellow at the New
Zealand Initiative and with us.

Speaker 11 (50:27):
Hey Michael, hey, how are you doing.

Speaker 2 (50:29):
I'm very well, thank you. Do you think we've been
it all together?

Speaker 11 (50:33):
I wouldn't be opposed if that's the way it goes.
I think that NCAA has said a twenty year run
and it's really failed to deliver on its promise and
it is time to rethink.

Speaker 2 (50:45):
Do you think if we been it all together, which
I think is a great idea, what do we replace
it with?

Speaker 11 (50:51):
That's a really good question. I mean I probably before
with Tim O'Connor a little bit in that I wouldn't
want us to go back to solely i'm limited exam
at the end of the year, but I do think
that we should probably have one result per subject rather
than multiple standards, So we might have several assessments playing
into that, one of which would be a time limited

(51:11):
exam at the end of the year, and maybe some
other assessments along the way to assess those things that
are hard to assess in an exam, like what well.
I mean, say you're doing a science experiment and you
want to assess how students can conduct a science experiment
in the laboratory that you Oh, so the kind of

(51:32):
practical side of things.

Speaker 2 (51:33):
I guess is this controversial? Because this to me, Michael,
in the first year that it was brought in, my
little brother was doing it, and I remember very clearly thinking, geez,
I dodgable at not having to do this this thing
as a joke. Is it controversial? If some of us
have known for twenty plus years that it's nonsense, is

(51:53):
it controversial?

Speaker 11 (51:54):
I mean ensure, I'm sure there we some who oppose it,
but I think a lot of teachers and schools have
probably had a guts full of it to be honest,
it imposes a very heavy workload on teachers with a
lot of internal assessment marking and all kinds of logistical
overheads and being moderated, and there's a lot that schools

(52:15):
have to do. And you know, as Tim O'Connor said,
I completely agree with them on this. You know, let's
base it on a new knowledge rich curriculum that gives
a real steer as to what needs to be assessed
because at the moment, really the achievement standards for NCAA
do all the heavy lifting in terms of curriculum and
the senior secondary and that's not how it should be.

(52:36):
We need a solid curriculum behind whatever we do.

Speaker 2 (52:38):
Michael, would we design our own one again or would
we just simply go for ib or Cambridge?

Speaker 11 (52:44):
Well, I would think that we want to have our
own I think, you know, all the other developed countries
in the world have their own qualification systems. And if
we've got our own New Zealand curriculum that really is
a solid curriculum, which you know, I believe that Minister
Stamford will deliver, then we should base our assessment system

(53:05):
on that.

Speaker 2 (53:06):
Michael, thanks for your time. It's Michael Johnston New Zealand Initiative.
By the way, texts coming through on y Cuttle UNI
hither you're such a killjoy. I love the idea of
a new Hamilton medical school. I'm not saying I don't
love the idea. I'm just saying we've been sold a
pup because the thing is going to blow out. Mark
my words. Twenty one away.

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Speaker 2 (53:29):
Huddle this evening, Trishurson, Sharson, Willis pr and Joseph Gani
Child Fund CEO. Hi ladies, Hello, Hello Trish. Do you
ditch or fix n CEA.

Speaker 10 (53:38):
I would ditch NCA Having been a parent with two
kids that went through the system. I agree with what
Michael was just saying there. To me, the fundamental point
is that parents should be able to understand what what
the standard or the mark is going to be. And

(53:59):
I remember as a first time INCAA parents sitting in
a talk about NCA and feeling completely overwhelmed because it's
not just what happens every year, but then there's all
this discussion about then how that ladders up and then
you're off to university.

Speaker 2 (54:15):
What I do.

Speaker 10 (54:17):
Think is useful to retain, and I think Michael touched
on it as well, is the fact that in the
real world you don't study and then sit a three
hour exam. So the idea for kids of learning to
manage themselves and their work through the year doing assessments.
That's actually the way the world works. And I think
that that's really.

Speaker 2 (54:36):
Do that already, Trisure. I remember having to do that.
I remember having to manage my workload in class and
after school in order to stay on top of it
in order to never fall behind. Right, So you are
doing that in the traditional schooling sense.

Speaker 10 (54:48):
Well that's right, except that don't forget in the old way,
say school, see what happened is you did all of that,
but then it all came down to one three hour
exam at the end of the year, and there some
issues for some kids who just that the exam thing
just doesn't freak out. So I think the point is
it's got to be based on the kind of curriculum

(55:09):
that is delivering excellence in our kids, in excellence in education.
I've got high confidence in Erica Stanford to be able
to deliver that all of who work today has been
based on deep policy work. So I think it's a
really good thing. I think it will be a relief
for parents, and it's a big bit of the education
puzzle that we've got to figure out.

Speaker 2 (55:29):
Yeah, what do you think, Jersey?

Speaker 12 (55:32):
Yeah, I mean we've all lost confidence in the NCA system,
whether it's parents, and you're absolutely right, Trish. I mean
I've had three kids go through it. I still don't
understand it. My kids are doing, at one point in history,
doing civil rights movement in America, Vietnam, and then randomly
the Roman Empire, so you kind of go, how is
this giving them a view of history in the world.

(55:53):
I don't know, So it feels like it's all a
bit too subjective parents. And when parents don't understand, you've
got a problem, right, And then you've got wealthy parents
who are sending their kids to private schools doing the
baccalaureate and the Cambridge exams. So then you've got everybody
else underneath that stuck with a system that clearly parents

(56:13):
don't think work. And I think Michael and your interview
before is right that teachers are sick of this too,
because they've got so much marking to do. But I
but I do also think you've got a balance.

Speaker 4 (56:24):
I mean, there's a.

Speaker 12 (56:25):
Reason why in CEA first came about, and it was
the concern that the work head's been branded as failures
because they didn't pass exams.

Speaker 13 (56:33):
And I was one of those kids.

Speaker 12 (56:35):
I hated exams, and so I do think you need
to have, you know, a mixture of exams and assessments
that work. But it's just gone too far the other way,
where you know you're basically assessing I mean some of
the stuff. God, I mean not just baristas, but you
know you can get NCAA credits for driving. For plucking
possums was one I word opera. I don't you pluck

(56:57):
a possum, but skinner possum probably operating a chain saw,
you know, providing first aid courses, all of which are
really really good, but they shouldn't be part of an
education system that's either preparing you for a trade or university.

Speaker 2 (57:11):
So right, do you feel sorry Trish for this guy
caught out at the Coldplay concert? Because it blows my
mind that there are people having this discussion today.

Speaker 10 (57:20):
I don't I think that here's what is this hesitation?
You know here is the key life lesson, do not
fish off the company wharf.

Speaker 2 (57:31):
Yes, so it wasn't It wasn't.

Speaker 10 (57:33):
The snog on the kid on camera.

Speaker 2 (57:36):
That was the issue.

Speaker 10 (57:39):
It was the fact that these were two senior executives
who had both but they were fishing off the company
wharf and that has ended in a global embarrassment, not
just for them and their fano, but for.

Speaker 2 (57:51):
But is that the problem is that the hold.

Speaker 12 (57:53):
On a minute, yes, I see. If you can't have
a relationship with your boss and fish off the company wolf,
I wouldn't be married.

Speaker 13 (58:02):
Now yeah I married.

Speaker 2 (58:06):
He was in there, so exactly right. So you've got
to be able to fish off the company wolf.

Speaker 12 (58:12):
Sometimes it's the only choices you got.

Speaker 10 (58:15):
I think you guys were fishing off the company wolf
before there were a lot of choppy waters around this stuff.

Speaker 2 (58:20):
And if you look at it, is that the problem
that they were fishing off the company wolf when they
actually one of them was married, that's the point.

Speaker 12 (58:27):
Well, well one of them lived on another boat.

Speaker 10 (58:30):
Well the problem is one of them had a foot
in two waka. But that was the problem. But that
is but that is the problem. It started with the
fishing off the company wolf and then it was a
very untidy back end, and then it ends up a
global thing.

Speaker 2 (58:47):
I thought, actually.

Speaker 10 (58:48):
Chris Martin's reaction to it was absolutely fantastic to warn
people at upcoming you know, concerts. But also even if
you live in a massive city and you're sneaking out
on a date, you wouldn't go to somewhere like a
concert because you are bound to bump into people.

Speaker 2 (59:06):
Now, no, no, no, no, Josie stop. I can hear you.
I hear you. You getting ready for another burst of
this sec a break, We'll come back and do it.
Quarter two The Huddle.

Speaker 1 (59:16):
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Speaker 2 (59:22):
JOSEPEGANI wanted to say something, gone, Josie.

Speaker 12 (59:25):
I did, well, look astronomer at this company that's fired
the cheating husband. They make do AI and collect data
and so on. I struggle to see how having an
extra marital affair will stop this guy doing his.

Speaker 2 (59:38):
Job well as the CEO.

Speaker 12 (59:39):
So there're being a little bit pompous. I mean, they
put out this statement going our values and our culture.
You know, the standard was not met. We're terribly disappointed.
I mean They're not the Catholic Church, for goodness sake,
so I do think it's a little bit pompous. The
biggest mistake that this guy made was dropping down like
a sack of potatoes. If he just stood there and

(01:00:00):
does it, who doesn't cuddle their HR executives? Yes, you
know it's if he hadn't done that. And the other
thing I wanted to say was what a perfect time
for Trump to release the Epstein files. I mean, he
really did miss a go here. He should put it
out over the weekend. All we're talking about is the
couple at the could play.

Speaker 2 (01:00:17):
Around the world unbelievable. Okay, do you think, Trish, do
you feel like me that the Wycuttle Medical School is
going to blow out?

Speaker 10 (01:00:25):
The I well show me a project like this that
doesn't blow out. Having said that, I am I am
really getting a grumpy about the fact that these always do,
and I think there has got to be a way
to properly cost see things. The one bit of comfort

(01:00:45):
I do take is that in between this being a
election policy headline for National, David Seymour from ACT has.

Speaker 2 (01:00:54):
Pushed for this to be put through a.

Speaker 10 (01:00:56):
Business case and that's how we've got to the lower
tax payer put today.

Speaker 2 (01:01:01):
But again which I call bs on, Come on, trash.
You've been around long enough. If it's a three hundred
and eighty million dollar project and it's it's been scaled
back to two thirty million and nothing's been cut out,
you know this is a pr exercise, isn't it. This
thing is going to blow out because they've gone for
a lower cost.

Speaker 10 (01:01:16):
Well, as I say, as I say, I have never
seen one of these projects come in under I mean,
but at least this has now gone through a business case.

Speaker 2 (01:01:26):
The one thing that.

Speaker 10 (01:01:27):
I will say about this is that we are crying
out for GPS, and if this is a way to
get us more GPS, then that is a good thing. Yes,
and we may have to look a little bit through
the cost. One of the things I was going to say, though,
is there was an excellent report from a doctor Provani

(01:01:47):
Wood that came out in March. She wrote for the
New Zealand Initiative and if anyone wants to look at
why we need to get our GP, our primary care
back up to scratch, that report will tell you all
about it because it saves us so much more.

Speaker 2 (01:02:01):
And yeah, what do you think Josie.

Speaker 12 (01:02:04):
Yeah, I mean, you're right, it will blow out. Maybe
maybe they've cut the costs by I don't know, not
doing the hair straighteners and the coffee machines and god
knows what else, you know, the stuff that seems to
add up. And the problem with it is that the
whole and the Order to General dinged it for bad process.
So since the very beginning it's had had a bit
of a smell around it. Like first of all, you

(01:02:26):
had the Vice Chancellor Neil Quigley sort of sending an
email saying here's a present for the future National government.
Then they started looking for building contractors before it had
gone to Cabinet and been signed off and so on.
And the Order to General I think was really criticizing
the procurement process and wasn't a competitive tender process. Stephen
Joyce got the job of lobbying the government. Before him,

(01:02:47):
it was Neil Jones, so they're gone left to right
depending on who's in government. But I actually agree with you, Trisha,
that all of that aside, I still think it's a
good thing that we have a third medical school in
a rural area that can attract rural potential. Rural medical
practitioners and GPS from that area in a way that

(01:03:08):
they might actually stay there. So I think this, you know,
I think there's a little bit of you know, forget
the smelling salts. Yes, it's been a bad process, but
if it's got a business case.

Speaker 13 (01:03:16):
Now I'd like to see it.

Speaker 4 (01:03:18):
We do it.

Speaker 12 (01:03:18):
It is actually a good thing that we have a
third medical school, because my god, we need more GPS.

Speaker 2 (01:03:23):
Guys. Yes, just very quickly.

Speaker 10 (01:03:25):
One of the things that Pravani would actually said though,
and this may may help with this, is that as
people go through medical school, the GP option is seen
as kind of, oh, if you're a bright medical student,
you wouldn't take the GP option. And I think that
maybe having the focus in the school that might help
turn that.

Speaker 2 (01:03:42):
Around, hopefully, hopefully. Guys, it's good to talk to you.
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Speaker 2 (01:03:59):
We'll have Nicko La Willis with US Finance Minister after
six o'clock. I'm interested in talking to her obviously, about
the Wycutle University thing. But also I don't know if
you've been keeping abreast of this, but late last week
it was a bit of an indictment on the old
Provincial Growth Fund it's now called the Crown Regional Holdings
and they've been handing out the loans and stuff. Fifty
four percent of them, as at June last year, are

(01:04:21):
at risk serious risk of impairmental default, which doesn't sound
very good at all. So we'll talk to her about
that now, five away from six. So I wasn't going
to talk about Sonny koscial because I kind of had
I had my say on it, and I was complaining
about it last week when I was doing Mike's show.
And I wasn't complaining about Sonny Coacialer because I don't
like his ideas, because I don't I love his ideas.
I love his ideas. I love what he's coming up with,

(01:04:42):
but I kind of bristle at the fact that we're
paying for his ideas when he was actually giving them
to us for free, because if we do his ideas,
then his businesses stand to benefit. So he was like,
please do these things for my business, and then we
went you know, we're going to pay you for those
ideas that you're giving us for free anyway. So I
had an email today from Paul Gold's Myth's office saying, listen,
just want to clarify some numbers, and I thought, okay,

(01:05:03):
let's have a look at it. So the numbers previously
were not correct because the numbers between this is what
Sunny was being paid between the first of March and
the tenth of June. It was ninety five thousand dollars,
and that meant that he was working every single day
that the Sun had given us for one hundred and
two days, right, And they said no, no, no, that's not
the case. He only got paid eighty two thousand dollars
and he didn't work every single one of the one

(01:05:24):
hundred and two days. He only worked eighty nine days.
That's what he claimed for. So I counted them up.
That means that Sunny Koshal worked every weekday. He worked
every Saturday, he worked Easter Friday, Easter Monday, and zach
Day King's Birthday, and two Sundays as well, at at

(01:05:44):
rate of nine hundred and twenty dollars per day. Total
eighty one thousand, eight hundred and eighty. That's pretty good.
Coins I mean, was that three months? Did you earn
eighty one thousand, eight hundred and eighty for three months
or did you just earn that for the entire year. Anyway,
I don't love this, as I say, because how he
was giving it to us for free, for free, and

(01:06:05):
then instead what we gave him is just fantastic, like
a full year's pay in three months. Anyway, we'll talk
to Nicola about that. I've got a little bit of
good news for you. If you're sitting here and you're
kind of rounding up, you're coming up to that pension age,
you're about to turn sixty five. You think, can I
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(01:06:25):
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Speaker 2 (01:07:20):
Even in coming up the next hour, Cloud there is
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on the on the inflation print today and i'll give
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And with us now is Nichola Willis, the Finance Minister. Evening, Nicola,
good evening, Welcome back.

Speaker 13 (01:07:39):
I had to go two weeks without talking about Wilen
Carpett's and.

Speaker 2 (01:07:42):
I wasn't going to raise it. But now that you've
raised it, have you got us the number?

Speaker 13 (01:07:48):
No? But what I can tell you is we're delivering
better value for the taxpayer all round.

Speaker 2 (01:07:53):
Okay, wonderful. Now do you reckon that this inflation spike
is temporary?

Speaker 13 (01:07:57):
Well, that's what the Reserve Bank and the people advise
me think. They think there could continue to be upward
inflation pressure into the next quarter, but they're looking through
it in the medium term. They're still seeing capacity in
the economy, which gives them confidence that this is going
to be a long run thing.

Speaker 2 (01:08:14):
How do you write the chances that this economy is
humming when we go to the polls next year.

Speaker 13 (01:08:20):
I think it will be in much better shape when
we go to the polls next year. And that's based
on all of the forecasts I see, which tell me
that growth is going to be picking up on a
per capita basis in real terms, that inflation will be
under control, that jobs will be being created, and based
on the fact that between now and the next election,
this government's going to be doing a lot to drive.

Speaker 2 (01:08:41):
Growth, because Jesus, it's got to be worrying you, right,
it's going to be a close run thing.

Speaker 4 (01:08:47):
Yeah.

Speaker 13 (01:08:47):
Look, I think we've had a really challenging quarter. You know,
the six months September through March. We know that the
economy was growing fast, faster than many countries around the world,
faster than one is being forecast the first three months
of this year, four times as fast as Australia. But
come April, come Liberation Day, I think a lot of
New Zealand firms and households battened down the hatchets. They

(01:09:10):
saw that global uncertainty and they went back into the
defensive position. Now, my view is that actually, looking ahead,
New Zealand has been less affected by those tariff wars
than many other countries, and we have every reason to
feel confident about our growth prospects. But we're going to
get that confidence back when need businesses feeling confident.

Speaker 2 (01:09:30):
On the White Cuttle Medical School. Can you guarantee that
the cost is not going to blow out on this thing?

Speaker 13 (01:09:38):
Well, the Crowns made it clear we're contributing eighty million
in capital cost. Wy Cato University have said that they
will stump up the rest. The cost has been brought
down from the original three hundred and eighty million to
two hundred and thirty million, and Wykuttle have committed that
they'll be stumping up one hundred and fifty of that.
So that's up to them.

Speaker 2 (01:09:57):
And can you guarantee that the eighty three million from
the government is all that we will put in?

Speaker 13 (01:10:03):
Well, that's what the business case is based on. And
I think the other side of this you need to
remember is that these students are there for four years
rather than the six years that is traditionally the case
at Otago in Auckland. So overall, that ongoing cost of
creating these doctors is lower because there's a fewer years
that they're studying.

Speaker 2 (01:10:23):
If Wykattle University and philanthropists cannot find the one fifty million,
can you guarantee that we're not going to bridge the
gap as taxpayers.

Speaker 13 (01:10:31):
Well, that the commitment that Waikato has made to us
is that they will stump up that money. That is
the basis on which this is going for everything. Here
am no, I'm not keeping my options open.

Speaker 2 (01:10:45):
Guarantee it's not going to blow out, and guarantee we
aren't going to stump up what they what they are short.

Speaker 13 (01:10:49):
On, Well, I'm guaranteeing you that the entire business case
is based on that eighty million dollar Crown contribution and
that Waikato University have made undertakings that they will be
funding the rest and the good news they expect to
get construction under way later this year. That's exciting for white.

Speaker 2 (01:11:06):
Cattle, Yeah right now, Yeah, and I am excited for them.
But Nikola, mark my words, this is going to blow
out and the estimates you've given us are never going
to stand, are they.

Speaker 13 (01:11:17):
Well, they have been through a very thorough business case process.
Every eye was picked out of it to see what
was involved in those costs and what it looked like.
And we were very clear with Waikato University that if
they were saying they were going to contribute a significant
portion of the funds, then they needed to make that reel.
They I understand have had undertakings from philanthropists and others

(01:11:39):
or helping them make that contribution, but ultimately they really
want this thing to happen. That Crown said, this is
how much we'll punt up, and of course we will
fund the ongoing costs of those future students, but it's
up to them to deliver.

Speaker 2 (01:11:53):
If they come to you and they say we haven't
got the money, what are you going to say to them?

Speaker 13 (01:11:56):
I'm going to say, well, you said you would, so
you're in trouble now and you're going to have to
find the money.

Speaker 2 (01:12:00):
Okay, Look, why are you guys paying Sonny Kocial for
ideas that he was giving you for free?

Speaker 13 (01:12:07):
Oh look he's he's done a great job, so he's.

Speaker 2 (01:12:10):
There was no disputing, no disputing. But but he was
giving you these ideas for free, Nichola, because they benefit
his business. Why did you then offer to pay for them?

Speaker 13 (01:12:20):
Well, let's be clear, it's not you the taxpayer that
is paying him. He is being paid out of the
proceeds of crime Fund, which would have are literally paying.

Speaker 2 (01:12:30):
Yeah, but what's that there's an opportunity cost That money
would have been used for something else.

Speaker 13 (01:12:34):
Yeah, it would have been used on crime prevention activities
in the community, and I'd say that Sonny Kocial has
made a very significant contribution to crime prevention and our community.

Speaker 22 (01:12:45):
But I just.

Speaker 2 (01:12:47):
We're broke, right, We're broke, and that money could be
used for a very urgent problem. So why are you
handing it out to somebody who has given you this helpful.

Speaker 13 (01:12:54):
Free Because the assessment we made was that retail crime
had got so out of control under the last government
that we needed people who were actually at the front
line who understood what that looked like giving us advice
on what needed to change. Now, we could have gone
to all of our policy advisors in the Ministry of
Justice here in Wellington and I'm sure they would have
wrung their hands and come up with some delightful over human.

Speaker 2 (01:13:18):
Given you these ideas for free, and continued to give
give you these ideas whether whether you paid them or not.

Speaker 13 (01:13:24):
Yeah, well, I think you're being unfair because this is
a group of people that he has been charing that
represent a range of interests from the retail sector and
he's brought them together where they've been able to make
joint recommendations to government, but have given us the confidence
that we're acting on the interests of the people affected
by these issues. And actually, I think too much of
government is done by advice provided by people who are

(01:13:47):
not affected by the issues, who are sitting here in
Wellington in their offices, who have a theoretical idea. Well, actually,
people who are being affected should be listened to, and
this forum has provided us a way to do that.

Speaker 2 (01:13:59):
Hey, it's a school comes to you and says we're
fed up with the open plan. We want to go
back to single cells. Do you pay to put the
walls back up or do they.

Speaker 13 (01:14:07):
Look I have to ask Erica Stanford about that. What
we've said is, look, we're not going to be doing
any more of those barns in future. We don't think
they stack up, and we think single cell is better. Certainly,
I've had four kids through the school system, still going
through the school system, and I've experienced both, and I'd
go single cell every single time. In some cases, schools

(01:14:29):
do have the ability to use the spaces they already
have and divide them up more clearly and take more
of a single cell approach. And I expect many boards
of Trustees are going to move in that direction in
the coming years.

Speaker 2 (01:14:40):
Now, are we still handing out cash or handing out
loans through Crown Regional Holdings.

Speaker 13 (01:14:46):
Crown Regional Holdings holds the loans both from the old
Provincial Growth Fund which we have stopped, also the North
Island Weather Event loans which were made to a number
of horticulturalists following cyclone Gabriel so that they could get
their businesses up and running, which has been pretty successful,
you know, Apple and Pierre had a record year. And
then we have the Regional Infrastructure Fund which has been

(01:15:09):
set up quite differently from the Provincial Growth Fund, and
that does continue to provide some loans to some projects
and they are managed through this entity. But it's important
to note that we in December agreed to implement a
very detailed monitoring and evaluation framework for that fund, and
that follows feedback from the Officer of the Order to

(01:15:30):
general lessons learned from the province.

Speaker 2 (01:15:32):
So are you confident that your Regional Growth Fund is
not going to fall into the same trap as the
Provincial Growth Fund, which is like fifty percent of its
loans are at risk of impairment.

Speaker 13 (01:15:42):
Well, we are being much stricter about what we lend to,
so it's a very focused fund. We've been very much
focused on infrastructure. So in particular, we've been helping councils
build stock banks around the country and flood protection mechanisms.
We've been investing in water storage projects where we know

(01:16:02):
that getting that water storage project up and running means
that many farmers in a region will be more productive
and ultimately will be able to pay for those facilities themselves.
And so in general we've been very keyful about the
way that we invest in there's a group of ministers
involved in that good stuff.

Speaker 2 (01:16:18):
Hey, it's very good to talk to you. Thank you
so much for your time. That is Nikola Willis, Finance Minister,
sixteen past six.

Speaker 1 (01:16:25):
It's the Heather Duper see allan Drive full show podcast
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Speaker 2 (01:16:33):
Hither, even if there is a fifty million dollar over
run on Waykuttle Medical School, it's still one hundred million
dollars cheaper than the original price. So that's value compared
to the original price. Trever. That's one way of looking
at it as a very positive way of looking at it.
I'm looking at it from a slightly different perspective, which
is just be honest with us to get it across
the line. I don't think there's honesty going on here.
I think we've gone for the lowest possible. What I
think is judging by Okay, first of all, what Nicholas

(01:16:54):
said is judging by what Nicholas said is number one.
If Wykuttle University comes looking for to bridge the gap,
if they fall short, they're not going to get it.
But she's definitely keeping the options open for a roverrun,
and there will be an overrun because because think about
it like this, right, Let's say you go and get
a quote for your deck and the first quote is
thirty eight thousand dollars. You look at it and you go, hmm,

(01:17:17):
a bit pricey. Yeah, I don't think I can afford it.
They go away, they come back and they go twenty
three thousand dollars. But you know there's room for you know,
we may have to just charge you of something. You'd
be a fool if you go, okay, twenty three thousand, cool, Yeah,
that's what it's gonna cost. They just quoted you thirty eight.
So if you think you're just gonna pay twenty three.
You're not. They're going to charge you twenty three, get
you across the line, and then they're gonna start pumping

(01:17:39):
up the various things that they hadn't included in the
That's what's going on here, so one hundred percent we're
gonna have a cost overrun. Anyway, we're going to talk
to Shane Solly very shortly. I'm gonna give us his
thoughts on what's happened with inflation. Just a quick word
of warning to you Facebook marketplace if someone insists on
paying in cash, wash out, because police have just uncovered
a scam and some there was multiple reports that people

(01:18:03):
were turning up with counterfeit cash, taking the thing and
then leaving you with the dodgy dollars. So they bust
at the house and Autart and they found six thousand
dollars in counterfeit cash, and they found the equipment to
make the counterfeit cash. So make them pay into your
bank account. Six twenty one.

Speaker 1 (01:18:16):
Approaching the numbers and getting the results. It's Heather dupice
Elan with the Business Hour and mass Insurance and investments,
Grow your wealth, protect your future, use dogs.

Speaker 2 (01:18:27):
That'd be six twenty three. And with us now we
have Shane Soley of Harbor Asset Management evening Shane, Hello,
he so, what do you reckon with the inflation? We
got that OCR cut locked in for next month.

Speaker 15 (01:18:39):
Mmm.

Speaker 3 (01:18:39):
Yeah, look at the data out today certainly puts a
bit of pressure back on reserve bank rate cut in August.
I think when we look at the central bankers around
the world, they're all watching to see what tariff it's
due to inflation, so they're all a bit wary about
cutting and advance there. But you know, this inflation data
were seeing here in your y on is the only
putting an official rate cut back on the table for Augus,

(01:19:00):
So I think we should be thinking about that. In fact,
the market today moved to now pricing in an eighty
five percent chance of a cut and August. That was
up from seventy percent four years today's data change, and
look markets liked it. We saw two years what breaks
many people. That's used by a lot of banks to
sit interest rates. They fell by zero point six percent,

(01:19:20):
not a lot, I know, but it's down to three
fifteen and the New Zealand Shire market was up almost
zero point six percent today and that was led up
by some of our heavyweights like Fishing, Parka health Care,
auk An Airport A two. So yeah, generally up more
positive tone and capital markets.

Speaker 2 (01:19:35):
Okay, what do you think about that update from Contact Energy?

Speaker 3 (01:19:39):
Yeah, so Contact Energy got a good solid operating update
for the June month and importantly they're talking about better hydrology,
so more more the rain that we've all been having
to deal with is found under the dams and it's
actually helped Contact. They've looked like they've come out with
a better twelve months result than the market was expecting.
The result reflects a bit of geffmal generation last year

(01:20:03):
obviously at low hydro, but really importantly for New Zealand,
the system wide controlled hydro stories or the dams, they're
full and that should just keep a cap on the
risks around power aullages and certainly you know spike electricity prices.
So it's good, it's good for New Zealand.

Speaker 2 (01:20:18):
Hey, run me through what you've seen with the New
Zealand company management teams buying and selling shares in the companies.

Speaker 3 (01:20:24):
Yeah. Look, in the last a few days we've seen
a couple of interesting announcements the management of the retirement
and HP company Rieman obviously been under pressure in the
last year or so. They've stepped up and been buying
a lot of shares. You know, there's a bit of
a positive signal in terms of their company emerging from
what's been a pretty challenging period of time. On the
other side, we saw online trouble company Circo CEO. He's

(01:20:45):
saw a little bit of stock first time in a
long time, so he hasn't tended to sell stock. Tax
obligations either, unfortunately, but he's got to pay the tax.
He's got long tem as interest and he's got to
pay the tax bill. On either side. Not unusual, we
do see it often, but you know, just a little
bit of a you know, he's he's taking some money
to pay that hard tax bill.

Speaker 2 (01:21:04):
All right, So the US company earning season has started
for the second quarter. How's it going.

Speaker 3 (01:21:09):
Yeah, look, last week with a little bit inconclusive, which
sounds weird, but we had the big banks come out
and they were okay. Things like Netflix it was okay.
But the results of share prices after is we're not
particularly strong, and that just you know, might have been
a surprise to many. We've had a strong market going
into this, and what we need is these earnings numbers

(01:21:29):
to beat, and they haven't quite done that yet. So
when we think about how tough the world has been
the last five months, the one thing that stands out
as profit margins have been pretty good over there. This week,
we're getting a bunch of technology stocks coming out, so
certainly they'll need to be good numbers to keep that
market going. And we've certainly seen just a little bit
of heat come out of that US market.

Speaker 2 (01:21:49):
Short term good stuff, Shane, Thanks so much, Shane, Solly
Harbor Asset Management ever do for cl Okay, We got
some show Bus news for you.

Speaker 1 (01:22:01):
You know what that is.

Speaker 2 (01:22:03):
Stevie Nicks and Lindsey Buckingham are fanning the flames of
a Fleetwood Mac reunion. The pair have uploaded matching Instagram
posts with lyrics to their nineteen seventy three song Frozen Love.
Mick Fleetwood then also posted the song in an Instagram
video on Wednesday, saying the band's music was magic then
magic Now. Fans are about as excited as you would expect.

Speaker 15 (01:22:24):
The fifty year situationship continues on Toxic seventies Lovers or
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Speaker 2 (01:22:31):
The summer that's right, our toxic seventies lovers are coming
back to save the summer. Following the death of the
band mate, Christine mcveie, the one on the keyboard, stevi
Ennick said there was no reason for the band to reunite,
and the last time that the band had had reformed
was in twenty eighteen for that world tour, and that
didn't include Lindsey Buckingham because they had instead the Chap
from Tom Petty and the Heartbreakers, and then they also

(01:22:52):
had Neil Finn And so when Christine died, we all thought, Mmm,
is it possible? Is it not? Will it looks like
it is possible? Fingers crossed because how good? Let's talk
about AI next, news talks AB.

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Speaker 2 (01:23:28):
You're taking me, I'm going to give you my review.
Finally having finished Jinder's book. Of Justinder's book, David Cymore,
by the way, has written a letter to FARMAC and
told it to modernize or it will fall behind, and
has told it to explore ways to utilize AI and
so on. Speaking of AI, twenty four away from seven,

(01:23:49):
there are increasing moves to stop AI companies from scraping
websites for free, which is what's been going on. Cloud
Fear is a website infrastructure company that looks after about
sixteen percent of the global in to need traffic. It
has decided to block the AI crawlers as a default.
Steffanie Cohen is cloud Fair's chief strategy officer with US
high Stephanie.

Speaker 13 (01:24:09):
Hi, lovely to be here.

Speaker 2 (01:24:11):
It's great to chat to you. What proportion of your
sites that you guys are in charge of do you
think want to keep AI crawlers off?

Speaker 16 (01:24:20):
Yeah?

Speaker 22 (01:24:20):
I think what if you look at cloud Flair's Internet
presence a cloud flare, more than twenty percent of the
Internet sits behind cloud flair, And what we know about
the people that sit behind cloud flair is they want
control over who is scraping their site. They want to
know who's on their site, they want to know what
they're planning to do on that site, and then they
want to have the option to either block, allow, or
charge AI crawlers for being on their site.

Speaker 2 (01:24:43):
If they charge, how much do they charge, So all of.

Speaker 22 (01:24:47):
The content creators on cloud flair site get to determine
whether or not they allow the crawlers on their site
and what they're going to charge. And the way that
it works is that that communication happens privately between the
site owner and the AI crawler. So each site will
determine their own price and at the same time, each
crawler will also determine their own price. And when the
market meets, that's where we'll begin to see a sustainable

(01:25:10):
ecosystem flourish.

Speaker 2 (01:25:11):
I see and so what roughly on average what's being charged, So.

Speaker 22 (01:25:17):
We're really at the beginning of creating this sustainable ecosystem.
The first thing that we needed to do is make
sure that content creators had control and so that's why
we changed the defaults on the cloud Flair network. We've
now changed it so that for new domains on the
cloud Flare network, AI crawlers are blocked by default, and
that will allow this market to come together. But as
you know, there's been a lot of deals done with

(01:25:37):
very large AI companies with very large publishers, and what
we're going to be able to do on our marketplace
is bring the long tail of both AI crawlers and
content creators together and we'll see what that produces.

Speaker 2 (01:25:49):
Okay, so if okay, so we're obviously not going to
find out how much is being charged, and I can
understand it might be commercially sensitive, But if everybody in
the Internet was to charge the II rulers for the
AI crulers using it, would this actually lead to the
likes of media companies being able to fund to make
a decent amount of money off it to fund the

(01:26:10):
gap that they're seeing in declining advertising rates at the moment.

Speaker 22 (01:26:15):
So, as you know, what's going on on the Internet
is that people are reading the derivative rather than reading
the original. And when that happens, it's very difficult to
monetize through ads, subscriptions, or just through the satisfaction of
knowing that someone is reading your content. And so we
think this is the first step, but we think there'll
be a sustainable business model that includes being paid for crawling.

(01:26:36):
But there are probably other business models that we can't
even see are going to emerge based on what's going
on with AI. But what we know is that in
order for AI to thrive, content has to drive. So
this is not just about protecting content creators. But this
is also about creating a world where AI innovation can
thrive as well.

Speaker 2 (01:26:56):
Do you think everybody on the Internet has to do
this in order for it to work, because otherwise the
II is just going to scripe the free websites, isn't it.

Speaker 22 (01:27:04):
I think that what has to happen is if you look,
there have been very large AI companies and very large
content creators that have that have deals. But the only
way that those deals work is if others don't get
access to that content for free. So what everyone has
to have is the ability to have control over who's
on their site. But they may decide that it makes
sense to let someone through because they already have signed

(01:27:26):
a deal with them, or because they are sending traffic
back to them. So I think what matters is that
you have the control that you need so that you
can set the deals that you want. Maybe some of
them will be exclusive, Maybe some of them you'll charge
many people, some maybe you won't charge some at all
because you're getting a bunch of traffic those crawlers.

Speaker 2 (01:27:44):
So it may it may end up in a situation
where one of the crawlers is the best one of
the AI providers. Is the best AI provided because it
has access to the best websites, Yeah, whereas other others
may be crappy because they haven't got the good access.
Is that a potential future.

Speaker 22 (01:28:01):
I think there's a real optimistic view of the future
where this is where original, high quality content thrives because
to your point, AI crawlers want access to that content,
and so we do think that there is a real
opportunity here for us to create an ecosystem where there's
demand for high quality original content, which we think is
good for AI but also good for human beings.

Speaker 2 (01:28:22):
Ah, this is fascinating. Hey, thank you, Stephanie appreciated. It's
Steffanie Cohen, cloud Fair chief strategy officer, Heather do for
c Ellen fascinating. There's a lot in there. I mean
the point that she was making at the end, which
I think is an excellent point, is that if you
get irritated. I don't know about you, but I get errotated.
I click on RNZ, I click on the Herald, I
click on stuff. They all carrying the same story. It's
all the rn Z story. Everybody's printing the rn Z story.

(01:28:44):
I think, well, what's the point you filled up your websites.
But I'm just reading the same thing in three different places.
But if the AI crawler thing works, then it doesn't
actually benefit you to run the same story everywhere you
are you are. You do better if you have original content.
So if you actually produce your own story so that
you know fingers crossed anyway. So I finished just Inda's book,

(01:29:05):
and my advice is don't buy it. It is really
well written. I'm going to explain why that's my advice.

Speaker 1 (01:29:11):
It is.

Speaker 2 (01:29:11):
I want to say nice things about it upfront, Right,
It's really well written. She's an excellent writer. The private
stuff in her private life growing up, and her mum's breakdown,
her father's fucker Puapa, blah blah blah, it's all really
fascinating stuff. And I really enjoyed reading it. And actually
I found that I had I already imagined it must
have been very hard to be a mum, especially for

(01:29:33):
a little one, you know, under three, Really hard to
be a mum for somebody that's small, when you are
working the extraordinary hours that she must have been working
as the Prime Minister. However, having read it, I have
more empathy for how hard that was, because she talks
about that. But the truth is, that's not really what
we're interested in, is it, Because that stuff's in the
past now when we live through it. What we're all

(01:29:55):
really interested in is COVID and why she made the
decisions that she made and whether she feels bad at
all about the decisions she made. But it is a
once over lightly on COVID. You're not going to get
your satisfaction there. It's about forty pages in a book
that runs to about three hundred and thirty odd It's
about twelve twelve percent of the book. It's really nothing.
And not only is it not a huge chunk, but

(01:30:16):
it's actually very once over lightly in terms of discussing
some of the really gnarly stuff. And I suspect that
that's by design, because otherwise she would have to defend
decisions that are probably indefensible to us, you know, Like
she doesn't talk at all about why they confiscated the
rats the rat kits, doesn't talk at all about why
she made the decision as a local electorate MP in

(01:30:37):
Auckland to not even visit her electorates when her electorate
was in an extraordinary lockdown that went on for a
long time. Why they decided to let us have picnics
at our friend's house, but not do wheeze in the toilet,
Like none of that stuff, None of that stuff that
we got. None of this, you know about us saying
how upset we were at not being able to see
dying relatives, pregnant women being kept up country. None of

(01:31:00):
that's even covered, like it didn't exist in the version
that Jacinda is selling to the world. And I can
understand that because it's not very good for the brand,
is it. There is some insight, though, I do now
understand why she can live with herself having made the
decisions that she's made, because she keeps on mentioning the
fact that everything was worth it, basically to save twenty
thousand lives. Now I disagree because that twenty thousand number

(01:31:24):
is disputed, and I don't know, I don't know that
it justifies everything that happened either. I mean, did we
did we have to you know, print money to save
twenty thousand lives? Did we have to take on the
extraordinary levels of debt, some of which was COVID related,
but most of which wasn't. How do you explain that
with your twenty thousand twenty thousand lives that you tell yourself.
So anyway, you're not going to get your satisfaction. You're

(01:31:47):
not going to be happy about it. It's not a
very good political memoir because you know, a good political
memoir leaves you understanding different ideas, you know, like read
Cameron's memoir for example, in your come up going, Oh,
I see that, I see why you did that. That's
an interesting idea. I understand the ideology behind that, all
the thinking behind that, none of that, and just send
this book whatsoever? She think her best idea, she harps

(01:32:10):
out on about it a lot. Her best idea for
solving poverty was basically to give the mums of new
babies sixty dollars a week the best start Bayman. And
that's not that's not a policy. That's just handing out
free cash. So you know, you can still see, you know,
I think you can make your own mind up about that. Anyway.
I don't recommend that you buy this book if you
want to understand anything about politics, and if you're looking

(01:32:31):
for a good political memoir, if you just want to
understand her a little bit better, then yes, maybe it will,
you know, scratch an itch for you, but I'll tell
you what. What you will come out of it thinking,
if you're anything like me, is wow. I didn't realize
that the depth was so lacking quite that to that extent.

(01:32:53):
I thought there was a little bit more, you know,
going on in that character, but no, it was worse
than I thought. A quarter to two.

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Speaker 2 (01:33:12):
By the way, I might do a review of the
book I'm about to start reading, which is Rachel Paris's book,
Rachel being the wife of Jason Paris. But to say
she's the wife of Jason Paris really does her no
justice at all, because Rachel actually had an international legal
career and was a former Bell Gully lawyer and stuff.
She's written a suspense thriller called See How They Fall
and it is a dream right like her deboo book

(01:33:35):
is just people are raving about it. So anyway, I
will let you know how missus One New Zealand's book
goes down with me at some stage in the near future.
Why not Twelve Away from seven with me right now
we have Gavin Gray, UK correspondent. Hey, Gavin, iiver had
that right. What are the issues that we're found in
the water sector.

Speaker 14 (01:33:52):
Yeah, big report are really perhaps the biggest changes being
recommended in this independent report since the water industry here
were privatized thirty odd years ago. And this is all
to the four because dividends for the water companies have
been high. Bonuses for the big bosses have been massive.
In one case, a water company boss is going to
walk away this week with something like three million New

(01:34:16):
Zealand dollars worth in bonuses, long term incentive plans and salary.
And yet we have more sewage being pumped into our
waters than ever before. Often when there is a sudden
deluge of rain, the pipes can't cope and then to
make sure there's no overflow, the waste is then pumped
into rivers and of course that's deeply unpleasant and unenvironmentally friendly.

(01:34:38):
So this new report, published just an hour and a
half ago, has eighty eight recommendations in it. They've said basically,
the water regulator off what is not working. It is
just simply not doing its job to keep an eye
on the water companies so the author recommends that those
are scrapped with a single integrated water regulator in England
and Wales instead of the that we currently have looking

(01:35:01):
at different parts of the water industry. There should be
new regional water system planning authorities in England and one
in Wales. Part of the problem for drinking water, incidentally,
is we haven't built a reservoir in this country for
thirty five to forty years, and that's a long time
with the population increasing. And one big thing he's demanding

(01:35:23):
now that water meters be made mandatory. In other words,
not just new homes, not just homes that are easy
to access, you know, and housing estates, but all homes
across the UK, however isolated, they are to have a
water meter. Plenty of feedback on all of this report,
and this is likely to rumble on for some time.

Speaker 2 (01:35:43):
Kevin, Is it now the case that whoever was left
behind in Afghanistan gets no compo?

Speaker 14 (01:35:49):
That is pretty much what they're now saying. What a
terrible week where one leak of information from an unnamed
ministry defense official may end up costing more than two
billion New Zealand dollars in compensation and to rectify but
what we now loan is that as a lot as
well as people in Afghanistan who'd helped British forces during

(01:36:10):
the war there in Afghanistan have helped them with translating
and so forth. While some have been brought to the UK,
we now know that there are others who won't, and
those whose personal details were leaked but were not evacuated
are being told they will not receive any compensation. And
it's that word compensation, as you can imagine how that

(01:36:31):
has really boosted that massive bill that the government may
now be facing, because of course there are those who
have come to the UK whose families are still in
Afghanistan they are seeking compensation. The list also included a
hundred at least one hundred people who were in the
security services or sas their information was leaked. Well that's

(01:36:54):
obviously the most sensitive data here, but there are those
who are left behind as well, who's now information is leaked.
Who are they fear going to be targeted by the Taliban.
So there are some case laws being bought here, with
one large lawsuit being prepared by a company with more
than a thousand Afghan clans. So yes, you can bet
your life the lawyers are all over this trying to

(01:37:15):
get these large settlements from the government.

Speaker 2 (01:37:19):
Kevin, thanks very much, Enjoy your day. We'll talk to
you again in a couple of days. It's eight away
from seven.

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Speaker 2 (01:37:31):
Tell you what we're going to be doing in one
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Paul because tamoth has just sent out an advisory. She's
talking about what was it, police and prisons, Police, prisons
and public safety this time next week, six o'clock, twenty
eighth July. And I tell you what you have not
heard ideas more cookie than Tamotha's ideas.

Speaker 1 (01:37:53):
Well, no you have.

Speaker 2 (01:37:53):
There's a group called PAPA People Against Prisons out here
or something like that that they're pretty cookie. She supports them.
So I think I think kind of aim for like
disestablished the police, defund the police, get rid of the prisons.
That kind of vibe. We'll be talking about it. What
about this guy though, Can I just give a shout
out to this guy for just the balls that it
takes to do this. This is Fullier Andrew Lesser. He's

(01:38:15):
resigning from everything, he says, because he's been busted fibbing
on his CV and not like not a little fib
you know where you do the thing where you're like, oh,
I was a senior manager, blah blah, and you were
just a manager, you know, like not that Like I
had many direct reports, you only had two, nothing like that. No,
he said he was a UN diplomat. He wasn't. He
was the coordinator for the Pacific Region for Aquay. Ever

(01:38:37):
heard of them. No, because it's a global youth movement,
nobody cares about. That's not a UN diplomat. He says.
He was a policy consultant that the Asian Development Bank.
He was not. There was just one email that he
was sent in twenty twenty where an Asian Development Bank
Youth Regional program manager asked as him put into a
policy dialogue session for the youth's symposium because he'd been

(01:38:58):
there one time before. So apparently if you go, I
think you should have six people, not five, then he
thinks that you're a policy consultant.

Speaker 3 (01:39:04):
He was not.

Speaker 2 (01:39:05):
He said he was a director for ACC He wasn't.
He was a member of the Motorcycle Safety Advisory Council.
He said he was a senior advisor to philanthropy in
New Zealand. He wasn't. He just was a member of
a youth advisory group. And he also said that he
completed a jd which is a jurisd Doctor, which is
a law degree at Yale. He didn't. He did a
free online course. So anyway, he was appointed a visiting

(01:39:26):
Justice in June by Nicole McKee, which has brought all
of this to the four. He's also a member of
the Manyeoua local board. He's also a JP. He says
he's going to resign from everything, but I think we'll
have to double check that, given that he's not known
for his truth. But the balls it takes, Hey, the
balls it takes to tell a film like that, I
love it.

Speaker 14 (01:39:45):
You know what.

Speaker 19 (01:39:46):
When I was in Union here there, I sent an
email at KFC about why it was silly that they
didn't have a restaurant Hong Queen Street in the center
of Auckland and how important it was that they have one.
So I think I'm going to go it at my
CV now and say that I was a fast food
consultant to a major chain New Zealand.

Speaker 2 (01:40:00):
That's right, they sit up a KFC.

Speaker 19 (01:40:02):
Well there is one on Ford Street now, so I
don't think it was entirely because of me here, but
I mean, look we've got so it could be.

Speaker 2 (01:40:09):
Yeah.

Speaker 19 (01:40:10):
Titanium by David Gitter and see Her to play us
out tonight, David Gitter. He was the last artist to
play on the main stage at Tomorrowland, which did manage
to go ahead despite the main stage. They're going to
use Burning Down and see her. Well, she's dating looks
like Harry from Heartbreak Island, the first season of that
reality show in New Zealand. Oh yeah, she's be half
a right, yes, yep, scandal yep, accurate.

Speaker 2 (01:40:31):
You see yer cradle snatching.

Speaker 19 (01:40:34):
Kind of a shame that hum and Georgia didn't work
out either, I thought, oh very well that season.

Speaker 2 (01:40:37):
Ye had no idea what you're talking about? All right,
See you tomorrow.

Speaker 1 (01:40:49):
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