Ghislaine Maxwell, a key former associate to Jeffery Epstein, is due to meet with the Deputy Attorney General of the US for a second day in a row tomorrow.
These meetings come as the controversy surrounding the release of the Epstein files continues to grow.
US Defence Attorney Randy Zelin told Heather duPlessis-Allan that 'there are two paths for Ms. Maxwell to get home.’
‘One way is if she assists the United States Government...the other way she gets home is if she gets a pardon from President Trump’
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Gallaide. Maxwell will meet with the Deputy Attorney General of
the US for a second day in a row tomorrow.
Her lawyer said the meeting was productive. This is the
one today was productive and she answered all of the
questions honestly and will continue to do so. Now this
comes at the same time that Donald Trump is under
huge pressure to release the documents related to Jeffrey Epstein,
documents that we now know he is in now. Randy
(00:20):
Zellen is a US criminal defense lawyer. Randy Hallo, thanks
for coming on the show.
Speaker 2 (00:25):
I appreciate the chance to be on.
Speaker 1 (00:28):
Do you think they're going to strike a deal with her?
Speaker 2 (00:30):
Yes?
Speaker 1 (00:32):
What will be the terms of the deal.
Speaker 3 (00:34):
That I think is difficult. Right now, there are two
paths for mss Maxwell to get home. One way is
if she assists the government, the United States government, the
United States Department of Justice in prosecuting someone else. That's
what we call in the United States cooperation. If she
(00:58):
provides cooperation, if she provides that substantial assistance, that will
allow the government to go back to the sentencing judge
and say, Judge Glaine Maxwell helped us we were able
to prosecute someone else or other people and in exchange
for her cooperation, we would like you to resentence her.
(01:21):
It's what we call a downward departure. And our laws
do permit someone who has been sentenced to be resentenced
based upon their cooperation. So that's one way she gets home.
The other way she gets home is if she gets
a pardon from President Trump or President Trump grants her clemency.
(01:42):
In those instances, it is up to the president to
determine whether or not her entire conviction should be wiped
out like it never happened, or her sentence should be commuted,
it should be stopped, and she gets to go home.
So those are the two paths to get miss Maxwell home.
Speaker 1 (02:03):
How does this help Donald Trump, if at all, with
the situation that he finds himself in right now, which
is that everybody's starting to believe that he really is
in those Epstein files in a big way.
Speaker 3 (02:13):
Well, to the extent that Miss Maxwell, and probably aside
from Jeffrey Epstein, there are a few people who know
better what actually went on, and to the extent that
she truthfully says to the Department of Justice, Hey, yes
they were friends, they did socialize on occasion, but no,
(02:37):
Donald Trump is not in the client book, Donald Trump
never did anything untoward or inappropriate. And in fact, I
recall when Donald Trump made Jeffrey Epstein persona non grata,
and anybody who says differently is full of crap. And
(03:02):
there is nothing to see here. And this is all
much ado about nothing when it comes to Donald Trump
and Jeffrey Epstein, Randy.
Speaker 1 (03:10):
No one's gonna believe her if she says that, are they, like,
I mean, if she if she comes out and goes
Donald Trump had nothing to do with it. Oh and
by the way, I'm a free woman now I can
get out. No one's going to believe what she says,
are they.
Speaker 3 (03:22):
Well, the truth of the matter is, it doesn't matter
what anyone else believes. The only thing that matters is
what the Department of Justice believes and what.
Speaker 2 (03:33):
Donald Trump believes.
Speaker 3 (03:35):
And if that is something that they believe, then either
the government will go back to the sentencing judge and
it will be up to the sentencing judge to be convinced.
And certainly, if the Department of Justice puts pen to
paper and says we're able to prosecute other people as
a result of the information she gave us that unlocks
(03:57):
the door for the judge to say, Okay, ms Max,
well I'm taking your sentence from twenty years down to whatever,
including zero, in which case, just get the hell out
of here and go back across the pond. Or the
president can decide to either pardon her or grant her clemency,
in which case the courts have nothing to do with it.
(04:18):
The court is completely cut out of the process. It
is between the president and Glaine Maxwell.
Speaker 1 (04:24):
Okay, from a political point, and I take your point
that it doesn't matter what anybody else thinks, but everybody's
got opinions on it now, and it is going global.
Something that was just a conspiracy theory before is now
known by everybody around the world. Politically, How does he
get out of this.
Speaker 3 (04:41):
If Glaine Maxwell can again say they were friends, Yes,
Epstein was at his wedding. They did socialize, but over
and above that, that was the extent of it. And
I never saw anything inappropriate. I never saw anything untoward.
I never saw law Donald Trump with anybody that he
(05:02):
wasn't supposed to be. And if that is something that
the Department of Justice believes, and if that is something
that President Trump believes, then that is an instance where
ms Maxwell could be on the right side of a
pardon or the right side of clemency.
Speaker 2 (05:20):
In either event, she goes home.
Speaker 1 (05:23):
Fascinating stuff, Randy. Thank you, Randy Zellen, you iss defense lawyer.
Speaker 2 (05:27):
For more from Hither Duplassy Allen Drive, listen live to
news talks it'd be from four pm weekdays, or follow
the podcast on iHeartRadio.
Gallaide. Maxwell will meet with the Deputy Attorney General of
the US for a second day in a row tomorrow.
Her lawyer said the meeting was productive. This is the
one today was productive and she answered all of the
questions honestly and will continue to do so. Now this
comes at the same time that Donald Trump is under
huge pressure to release the documents related to Jeffrey Epstein,
documents that we now know he is in now. Randy
(00:20):
Zellen is a US criminal defense lawyer. Randy Hallo, thanks
for coming on the show.
Speaker 2 (00:25):
I appreciate the chance to be on.
Speaker 1 (00:28):
Do you think they're going to strike a deal with her?
Speaker 2 (00:30):
Yes?
Speaker 1 (00:32):
What will be the terms of the deal.
Speaker 3 (00:34):
That I think is difficult. Right now, there are two
paths for mss Maxwell to get home. One way is
if she assists the government, the United States government, the
United States Department of Justice in prosecuting someone else. That's
what we call in the United States cooperation. If she
(00:58):
provides cooperation, if she provides that substantial assistance, that will
allow the government to go back to the sentencing judge
and say, Judge Glaine Maxwell helped us we were able
to prosecute someone else or other people and in exchange
for her cooperation, we would like you to resentence her.
(01:21):
It's what we call a downward departure. And our laws
do permit someone who has been sentenced to be resentenced
based upon their cooperation. So that's one way she gets home.
The other way she gets home is if she gets
a pardon from President Trump or President Trump grants her clemency.
(01:42):
In those instances, it is up to the president to
determine whether or not her entire conviction should be wiped
out like it never happened, or her sentence should be commuted,
it should be stopped, and she gets to go home.
So those are the two paths to get miss Maxwell home.
Speaker 1 (02:03):
How does this help Donald Trump, if at all, with
the situation that he finds himself in right now, which
is that everybody's starting to believe that he really is
in those Epstein files in a big way.
Speaker 3 (02:13):
Well, to the extent that Miss Maxwell, and probably aside
from Jeffrey Epstein, there are a few people who know
better what actually went on, and to the extent that
she truthfully says to the Department of Justice, Hey, yes
they were friends, they did socialize on occasion, but no,
(02:37):
Donald Trump is not in the client book, Donald Trump
never did anything untoward or inappropriate. And in fact, I
recall when Donald Trump made Jeffrey Epstein persona non grata,
and anybody who says differently is full of crap. And
(03:02):
there is nothing to see here. And this is all
much ado about nothing when it comes to Donald Trump
and Jeffrey Epstein, Randy.
Speaker 1 (03:10):
No one's gonna believe her if she says that, are they, like,
I mean, if she if she comes out and goes
Donald Trump had nothing to do with it. Oh and
by the way, I'm a free woman now I can
get out. No one's going to believe what she says,
are they.
Speaker 3 (03:22):
Well, the truth of the matter is, it doesn't matter
what anyone else believes. The only thing that matters is
what the Department of Justice believes and what.
Speaker 2 (03:33):
Donald Trump believes.
Speaker 3 (03:35):
And if that is something that they believe, then either
the government will go back to the sentencing judge and
it will be up to the sentencing judge to be convinced.
And certainly, if the Department of Justice puts pen to
paper and says we're able to prosecute other people as
a result of the information she gave us that unlocks
(03:57):
the door for the judge to say, Okay, ms Max,
well I'm taking your sentence from twenty years down to whatever,
including zero, in which case, just get the hell out
of here and go back across the pond. Or the
president can decide to either pardon her or grant her clemency,
in which case the courts have nothing to do with it.
(04:18):
The court is completely cut out of the process. It
is between the president and Glaine Maxwell.
Speaker 1 (04:24):
Okay, from a political point, and I take your point
that it doesn't matter what anybody else thinks, but everybody's
got opinions on it now, and it is going global.
Something that was just a conspiracy theory before is now
known by everybody around the world. Politically, How does he
get out of this.
Speaker 3 (04:41):
If Glaine Maxwell can again say they were friends, Yes,
Epstein was at his wedding. They did socialize, but over
and above that, that was the extent of it. And
I never saw anything inappropriate. I never saw anything untoward.
I never saw law Donald Trump with anybody that he
(05:02):
wasn't supposed to be. And if that is something that
the Department of Justice believes, and if that is something
that President Trump believes, then that is an instance where
ms Maxwell could be on the right side of a
pardon or the right side of clemency.
Speaker 2 (05:20):
In either event, she goes home.
Speaker 1 (05:23):
Fascinating stuff, Randy. Thank you, Randy Zellen, you iss defense lawyer.
Speaker 2 (05:27):
For more from Hither Duplassy Allen Drive, listen live to
news talks it'd be from four pm weekdays, or follow
the podcast on iHeartRadio.
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