Full Show Podcast: 31 July 2025

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Speaker 1 (00:03):
Digging through the spin spends to find the real story.
Or it's Andrew Dickens on hither dupers Alan drive with
one New Zealand let's get connected and us talks.

Speaker 2 (00:13):
They'd be well.

Speaker 3 (00:14):
Welcome to the program. It is seven minutes out to
four on the thirty first of July, and I'm Andrew
Dickinson on the program today. Lots of alerts but no tsunami.
Did our emergency system work or fail? And what have
we learned from this morning's rude awakenings. Judith Collins is
going to join me to explain why the FBI is
opening an office in Wellington of all places. Plus the

(00:34):
Chief of Navy is issued a stern warning to sailors
to stop boozing. Former Defense Minister Wave Map on what
shall we do with the drunken sailors? And we're going
to talk to a mayor very shortly whose debt to
revenue number is two hundred and thirteen point seven percent.
That's twice as much debt as money coming in. So
what town are we talking about? Why is that town

(00:55):
in that position? And what are they doing about it?
That story for you in five.

Speaker 2 (00:59):
It is eight after ward.

Speaker 3 (01:02):
So the National emergency alarm that bugged nation was the
big talking point in New Zealand today. Took back Clift
right and sent her about it. There are a million
stories about the alarm, and here's mine. At the first
alarm yesterday afternoon at four thirty pm, I welcomed, I've
been out and about. I didn't know about a Russian earthquake.
It warned me there was a Russian earthquake. There might
be a tsunami. So I looked up the story and

(01:22):
I quickly ascertained that it is going to take at
least twelve hours for that wave to make it here,
So we should be sweet. Now this was important because
my partner commutes on a ferry every single day and
was coming home on a ferry at five forty pm,
and I needed to know and she needed to know
whether or not that boat was going to happen. But
you know, if it happened then and you do the time, Yeah,

(01:44):
you well, we should be sweet. So I checked the
at app and I phoned Helen and we decided, yep,
should be sweet. It's not canceled yet. The day continued
on as normal. She came home, We went well, then
we ate, it went bed. Look, what's Telly?

Speaker 2 (01:58):
You know?

Speaker 3 (01:59):
Was a But then we woke up this morning and
we had another alarm. And the alarm this morning was interesting.
We knew of the threat. We knew that it was
around about that time in the morning that the waves
should be arriving. Based on initial presumptions, I expected an
update on the wave strength after tsunami monitoring right across
all the oceans that had been passing through, but none

(02:21):
of that info was there. It was just the same
alert as last night. There's been an earthquake in Russia.
There might be some big waves. So again we looked
up the story and again we decided it would be fine.
So Helen went off to catch the eight am ferry.
She left the house. I've never seen her since. I
presume she caught a fairy and she went to work.

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And as she left, she said, look, if there's going
to be a wave, I'd rather be on a big
boat than sitting on the esplanade. And I thought that
was a joke, but then again it might not be.
But there were but she went on a boat. As
it turned out, everybody ignored the alert this morning. People
walked dogs on beaches. The northwestern motorway causeway did not close,
even though it's at sea level. Nor did Tammockie drive,

(03:02):
Nor did all sorts of marine parades right around New Zealand.
They didn't close. We all ignored the alarm. We all said,
n she'll be sweep. Then we had the Minister Mark.
He came on with Kerry to explain why we had
these alarms, and he talked well and the main takeaway
from all of that was that he wanted to inform

(03:24):
the people so we could make an informed decision. Now, frankly,
my family did. We heard the alarm, we looked at
the stuff that was around. We made an informed decision.
If we got wiped out by a tsunami on a
ferry at eight o'clock this morning, it would have been
our own stupid fault.

Speaker 2 (03:40):
We didn't.

Speaker 3 (03:42):
I don't mind the alerts. I'd rather have a false
alarm than no alarm at all, than a dangerous decision.
But the fear here is that too many people will
begin to ignore all alerts and will not make informed decisions,
and that could end badly. But my main concern I'm
going to ask people about this later after five is

(04:02):
the information didn't seem to be updated in the twelve
hours after the earthquake hit. And I wonder if our
ocean monitoring is working, because frankly, I think the ocean
monitoring is pretty important when it comes to stopping a tsunami,
or at least letting us know the tsunami is on
its way and we're all about to die. But did
it work or not? We'll find out after five. It's
eleven after.

Speaker 2 (04:20):
Four, Andrew dickens.

Speaker 3 (04:21):
So the government has issued its first report card for
all our councils. Local Government Minister Simon Watts has released
a document comparing councils on their rates, revenue, debt and spending.
Five of our councils have more than twice as much
debt as their annual revenue. So we've decided to talk
to one and the one we're talking to is Holofanuer

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and the mayor of Holafanuer is Mayor Bernie Wardenwondon, who
joins you know how Bernie good afternoons. So your debt
to revenue number is two hundred and thirteen point seven percent,
So that's pretty high. And what's that about? Yes, look
it as high.

Speaker 4 (04:59):
We actually absolutely acknowledged that it is high, and in
fact these figures are almost out of date.

Speaker 5 (05:06):
This is at during twenty twenty four.

Speaker 4 (05:08):
Our figure at Durne twenty twenty five is actually one
hundred and ninety seven percent, so it has come down
a bit. But look, we still acknowledge that our debt
levels are high, and that is probably successive years of
either underfunding depreciation or having our operating expenses more than.

Speaker 5 (05:30):
What we were getting in revenue and then borrowing to
cover that. And that over a number of years meant
that we were able to keep rates down, but it
meant that we had to borrow money to do that.

Speaker 3 (05:44):
Is a snapshot of just one year really an accurate
way of determining whether the council's finances because you have
hangovers from decades of under investment or decades of under
revenue raising, is it really actually indicative of the financial
state that you're really in.

Speaker 5 (06:03):
I think over time it will give us good trends
taking a snapshot.

Speaker 4 (06:07):
This is the first time we've ever done this, so
obviously there will be nuances and contexts that will not
be able to be readen to the figures. I think
over a little bit of time will get used to
this and the tables could provide some really useful information.
We're not certainly against having this sort of benchmarking. I
think it's great for the rate payer to be able

(06:28):
to see where your councils sit and amongst you know,
comparative group and I'm sure in time it will prove
to be very valuable.

Speaker 3 (06:38):
Very good stuff. Now, the government's talked about rates caps,
so you know, is that viable if you've actually still
got this huge debt you have to service.

Speaker 5 (06:48):
Well, it would be helpful if we knew what the
detail of the rates capping was.

Speaker 4 (06:52):
In the places that we see rates capping, especially in
states in Australia and parts of the UK, it has
caused some real unintended consequences that have meant that services
have dropped financially, councils have been almost at a brink
of going bankrupt. So you know, there's there's a lot

(07:15):
to understand and unpack in terms of rates what rates
kepping means. So you know, we just don't know that
detail yet.

Speaker 3 (07:23):
Well, Bernie, good luck going forward because you've got some
big debts to have paid down and you've got some
big work to do and we wish you only the
best of luck. And that is Bernie Wanden, who is
the mayor of Honofenu. And this is neutral c B.
I'm Andrew Dickins in for Heather. A little bit of
illness in the family text ninety two ninety two small
charge does apply if you text us. Andrew had a
client on NC in four two from Wellington to Auckland,

(07:44):
landing at seven am. He laughed because of all the
phones that were supposed to be off, but we're still on.
And then they got a warning midflight. Oh so we're
not turning off the phones in the planes anymore, are we?

Speaker 6 (07:55):
All?

Speaker 2 (07:55):
Well?

Speaker 3 (07:55):
Okay, but they're even funnier than that. What do you
care about a tsunami when you're thirty five thousand foot
in the air, you're in the safest place possible, you're
already on higher ground. Did you need to have an alarm?

Speaker 7 (08:08):
Hey?

Speaker 3 (08:09):
Now, Darcie and I were talking about the Olympics the
other day, which of course is happening very shortly in America,
and something weird is happening about something that could actually
affect New Zealand. And he's got the details and we'll
do that before four point thirty. It is four fifteen,
and this is news Talks it B.

Speaker 2 (08:26):
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Speaker 1 (08:28):
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Speaker 3 (08:38):
Responsibly Darcy.

Speaker 8 (08:44):
Made.

Speaker 7 (08:44):
How are you?

Speaker 3 (08:45):
You don't need to hear phones, just talk to me.

Speaker 9 (08:46):
I know, I like to Bedvans. I like to feel
like I'm engaged and I'm involved in this as well.

Speaker 3 (08:50):
We'll get to the NPC in a moment. I want
to talk about the Olympics and weird this story. This
is cricket coming into the Olympics rise. Yeah, so there's
going to be six teams and the real weirdness the
cricket oddities here is it is not official yet, but
it's looking lightly okay.

Speaker 9 (09:05):
So New Zealand Cricket one comming tone because they don't know.

Speaker 10 (09:08):
If it's official. But normally with these things leak out
there's a reason.

Speaker 3 (09:12):
Behind exactly, and apparently there's going to be six teams
competing and presumably America automatically gets the gets anied because
they're a host nation. So that means somehow we're going
to get all the great teams of around the world
down to five. And the oddity is how we're going
to choose them.

Speaker 10 (09:27):
Well, they're going to do it around because it's very
much you know, the rings of the Olympics and they
represent the continents and so that's what's going to happen.
So they're going to have the best team in Oceania
based on rankings, and that is going to be Australia.
Will be tough to actually pass those, So we're out
the best team in Asia, which is going to be India.

Speaker 9 (09:50):
We're hat a shadow of a doubt. So they're in.

Speaker 10 (09:53):
They're looking at giving the English a spot, but it's
Great Britain, so it's England, Wales, he and Whales Cricket
Board and Scotland together. Then they look at the best
team in Africa, which isn't Zimbabwe, It's going to be
South Africa, and then a European side, so I'm presuming.

Speaker 9 (10:12):
That's going to be either the Republic of Ireland or
the Netherlands. I'm not entirely sure. This has not been
rubbers stamped yet, but this is the way they're trying
to do it.

Speaker 3 (10:22):
It sounds like a weird mongrel frankenstein of a competition.

Speaker 9 (10:25):
It does, But what is the sole purpose of it.

Speaker 10 (10:27):
In cricket at the Olympic Games, get get hands off
my game, get eyeballs on it. And the eyeballs come
with broadcasting rights. And where are the most eyeballs in
the world where.

Speaker 3 (10:38):
There's the most population of the most cricket crazy people.

Speaker 10 (10:40):
Which which is so Really they don't care as long
as India are there and they get one point three
billion people watching it and the associated broadcast rights.

Speaker 9 (10:50):
They don't care about care about money.

Speaker 3 (10:53):
Baron Diggopeta will be rolling in his grave because it's
supposed to be the competition of the very bear. Therefore,
you take the top five teams as ranked by the
ACC and they go in plus America, isn't that and
that would include India and therefore everyone's happy and it
might include us. But who knows, NPC.

Speaker 9 (11:12):
Sure Pakistan to be stoked around that?

Speaker 2 (11:14):
Well, we don't. We don't know.

Speaker 9 (11:15):
We don't know for sure. But these stories come from
where they smoke this fire.

Speaker 3 (11:18):
You know the deal, NPC.

Speaker 10 (11:21):
Yeah, it's under way tonight or can Wa Cato. Yeah,
it's that Eden, part of the garden of Eden. I
think that what we enjoyed last year about the the
NPC is they.

Speaker 9 (11:30):
Played at little litsy bitsy wee grounds to you know, Canterbury.

Speaker 10 (11:34):
Went after Rangoon sorry New Order for those who don't
live in the area, and I've got them talking about.

Speaker 9 (11:39):
They play there toys.

Speaker 10 (11:41):
It was old school up their hedges and the like,
and a lot of these games were played at smaller
grounds and they're really attempt in the unions.

Speaker 9 (11:48):
To lift the whole local engagement, because that's what.

Speaker 3 (11:52):
NPC's I went to the North Shore final Takapuna Devenport
held at the Box on de Veine. We had nearly
four thousand people there, drank the drink the public dry.
Robin Brook was there, Buckshelper was there. All sorts of
people were there and it was such a good environment
and the crowd was great. The crowd was big, and
I was say, bring North Harbor there.

Speaker 9 (12:09):
Why not make it's small.

Speaker 10 (12:11):
I know that it's the National Stadium and even Park's
great place and so on and so forth. And you've
got to look at the game itself as opposed to
the engagement, because you're not going to have forty thousand
people turning up with that, which is a well, it's
a shame, isn't it, but like that's the way an
NPC was great last year, it's going to be great
again this year.

Speaker 9 (12:29):
What we really need to watch out for this year
is Tasman.

Speaker 10 (12:33):
Excuse me, they've got the scariest backline in world rugby,
not just in the NPC. Finley Christie's around, both heavily
brothers are playing there, Karen tomow Flower was playing and
at full beat. You've got maca Springer on one wing,
Tavanaua coming on another wing.

Speaker 9 (12:52):
It's a loaded team and then there's no Less de
far and the Nuku. Yet we go. Tasman are going
to be scary.

Speaker 3 (12:58):
And who's the favorite?

Speaker 9 (13:00):
Can they's? It's Auckland.

Speaker 10 (13:02):
And on the subject of that R eighteen bet responsibly
with the TV if you fancy having a flutter, and
don't if you can't afford it. I think you all
should know that by now, but I'll carry on pushing
it at you. Auckland, wyel Auckland are paying a dollar
fifty five?

Speaker 9 (13:17):
Whyett?

Speaker 10 (13:17):
Although are welcoming in the lights of old school Aaron
Cruden and well not quite as old school, but he
is Limus Upwonga who joined us on the show last night.
So I kind of like the idea that they might
actually do something and rack it up, or maybe you
could go looking at anyone's going to bet against Tasman.

Speaker 9 (13:37):
They're nuts, but it is.

Speaker 10 (13:38):
The Bay of Plenty they're playing. They have plenty, just
got beat. It was a third extra fourth or eighth
extra time last last time against Wellington, so that they
might be there. They rise, but again have a look
on the TeV app and you know, maybe do.

Speaker 9 (13:55):
Some do some multis. It's a bit of fun.

Speaker 3 (13:57):
Some responsible are eighteen betting, Thank you, see Darcy. It
is now for twenty three.

Speaker 2 (14:03):
Moving the big stories of the day before.

Speaker 1 (14:06):
When it's Andrew dickens on Hither Duplessy Alan drive with
one New Zealand let's get connected news talks that'd be
at times.

Speaker 3 (14:15):
For twenty six Andrew that guy Bernie, this is the
mayor of horror for so typical of what is wrong
with Council's no accountability for wasteful spending. They are so
detached from reality. Thank you Mark, was Bernie wastefully spending
council money? When I asked him how the hell did
you get your debt up to two hundred and thirteen
point seven percent of revenue. He said it was historical

(14:36):
depreciation and a historical lack of infrastructure investment, and there
is an infrastructure lag and they catching up and if
they don't do it, you don't get the water. But
they then have to borrow the money to do it
because they don't have enough revenue, because of course you
don't pay enough rates, because previous mayors have actually said
we won't up the rates when they needed to up
the rates to pay for the stuff that you need.

(14:56):
So I'm not prepared to go Bernie and say he
is wastefully spending. He's probably inherited a whole heap of
bad decisions going back decades in horror for now anyway,
And there's a male daycare worker in Sydney who's just horrible.
His name is David James. I can't call him a
creep yet because he hasn't been found guilty of all
his sexual abuse offenses thirteen offenses against kids. But here's

(15:19):
the thing. A judge has ruled that everyone who needs
to know has been informed of his name, so now
there's no reason to keep his name from the public.
So it's been unsuppressed. And Murray will have details about.

Speaker 1 (15:31):
That time flies alongly twice, recapping the day's big news
and making tomorrow's headlines. It's Andrew Dickens on Hither duplessy
Alan drive with one New Zealand let's get connected news
talk that'd be.

Speaker 3 (15:51):
So it is twenty five to five, I'm here until seven.
More on Horrafanure council. Why do they borrow so much money? Well,
apparently they also reduced the rate expenses by borrowing more,
which is obviously you know, robbing Peter to pay Paul.

(16:12):
So what would you prefer? Would you rather have lower
rates or to find out that the counselor is now
two hundred and thirteen point seven percent in debt, which
is pretty massive. But yes, a lot of people telling
me about all the little schemes that Horrafanu have done,
like buying up houses in the main road and have it.
Remember that counselor that actually went overseas, went to Holland
wasn't it went to the Netherlands to live and did

(16:32):
not resign. So yeah, Horrafanure has their fair share of problems.
But they also, like all councilors around here, have decades
of multiple council screw ups. Really do you know that Bernie,
by the way, has been Meyre since twenty nineteen, so
six years so far, and he reckons he can get
to one hundred percent of revenue and debt balancing. So
good luck to him. And that's all I have to say. Now,

(16:54):
are the texts on the alarms? Lease is if they
hadn't set out the alarms and there hadn't been a
problem here, then people and there would have been a
problem here. People were known about that. And that is
so true, like so many things going on in this country.
You're damned if you do and damned if you don't.
Other people have complained about the fact. Of course all
their children got woken up by these emergency alarms. But
it's better to be worken up, I guess by an

(17:15):
alarm than by an enormous wave of water coming through
the house.

Speaker 11 (17:18):
I guess.

Speaker 3 (17:20):
Meanwhile, I got two alarms? How many did you get?
Producer Laura? Did you get five?

Speaker 9 (17:27):
And two.

Speaker 3 (17:30):
Other people?

Speaker 12 (17:30):
I know?

Speaker 3 (17:31):
Three? Text to here says Shane says, I got seven alarms?
What's that about? I got no sleep. As a consequence,
I have no confidence in Nima at all now. Besides
in a race to shut down the alert noise. I
never got to read any of the messages anyway. What
an awesome system. So how comes some got seven, some

(17:52):
got five, some got three and some got two. I
don't know which is why we'll ask this question after five.

Speaker 2 (17:58):
It's the world wires, the use talks.

Speaker 3 (18:00):
It'd be drive well to the Canadian Prime minister first,
who has joined the UK and saying they're going to
recognize the Palestinian state at the UN in September. Prime
Minister make Karney, the former Bank of England governor, says
recognition comes with conditions.

Speaker 13 (18:16):
This intention is predicated on the Palestinian authorities commitment to
much needed reforms, including commitments by the Palestinian authorities President
of US to fundamentally reform its governments to hold general
elections in twenty twenty six in which AMAS can play
no part.

Speaker 3 (18:33):
It's Mark's conditions for you. Now to America, with the
Chair of the United States Federal Reserve, Jerome Powell, has
made a decision to hold US interest rates. Jerome says
uncertainty from Trump's tariffs means there's a long way to
go before the Fed can consider another cut.

Speaker 13 (18:50):
Near term measures of inflation expectations have moved up on
balance over the course of this year on news about tariffs,
as reflected in both market based and survey based measures.

Speaker 3 (19:01):
And finally, that sound effect is not an emergency warning
about a tsunami. That sound effect is in fact a
swarm of wasps or is it a flock of wasp?
I don't know what's it collective for a whole lot
of wasp Anyway, I do not want to be stuon
by a wasp, but I've never been stuone by wasp.
You can't get stung by a wasp. You get bitten
by a wasp. But here's the thing. Imagine if you

(19:23):
got bitten by a wasp and the wasp was radioactive.
Workers at a former nuclear bomb parts factory in South
Carolina have found a wasp's nest with radiation levels ten
times higher than the safe level allowed by regulations. What
the hell is brewing inside that nest? Giant radioactive wasps

(19:43):
that can walk and talk and take over the takeover
the world. No, what was inside the nest was no wasps.
So either there are no such thing as nuclear wasps
or the nuclear wasps have all escaped, which we should
all be very scared about or they got nuke to death.

Speaker 1 (20:00):
National Correspondence with Ends and Eye Insurance, Peace of mind
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Speaker 9 (20:06):
From Australia.

Speaker 3 (20:07):
Murray Old's ever been bitten by a wasp?

Speaker 7 (20:11):
Look? I'm not sure, Andrew. I remember I've been stung
by a bumblebee. They only sting you once. Wasps keep biting.

Speaker 3 (20:18):
Right, you're in Australia. You're in Australia. Other very critical
quick questions. Ever been bitten by a snake or bitten
by a spider?

Speaker 7 (20:27):
No, no, no, any of those things. But Australia does
have I think nineteen of the world's most twenty deadly snakes.
I don't know who's got the other one. But it
doesn't bloody matter because we've got nineteen.

Speaker 3 (20:36):
Twenty percent of student loans in Australia set to be
wiped out.

Speaker 7 (20:40):
That's right, and it's on average it's about five and
a half thousand dollars per student. This was a very
significant election measure that Labor put forward to cut one
fifth of your student debt. And you know, the liberal side,
the conservative side of politics, wonders why it had no

(21:01):
people under thirty voting for it. Had no women either
by that you know, and no migrants either, but that's
another debate. So it was certainly very very popular with
young people. Not just for degrees either. It wasn't just
for medicine and for engineering. It's for young men and
women who are doing the vocational stuff as well. Andrew electricians, builders, plumbers,
Tyler's the whole range, the whole suite of skills that

(21:23):
any modern society needs. All these, you know, they all
need tertiary education levels these days to do just about everything,
of course, and so very significant for a lot of people,
thousands and thousands and thousands of people. I saw one
figure over three million, not sure if it's that much,
but certainly very well, very warmly welcomed by the young

(21:44):
people who were going to see of this debt retired.

Speaker 3 (21:48):
Were pork barrel politics were actually an aid to great
business efficiency and productivity.

Speaker 7 (21:55):
Depends on you talk to mate.

Speaker 11 (21:57):
One nation.

Speaker 7 (21:58):
Pauline Hanson and earned morons voted against it. So you know,
I mean, these are people who that is lucky that
they invented slip on shoes because bloody shoelaces. Beyond the
Pauline Hanson, Bob.

Speaker 3 (22:11):
I wish you'd actually say what you really mean more often, Murray.
Now inflation is down to a.

Speaker 7 (22:16):
Four year low, it is not since twenty twenty one.
Is the headline rate down to two point one percent
the year to June. The underlying rate, which is the
one the Reserve Bank most carefully watches, that's the one
that strips out all the volatile items, could be the
price of oil goes to the roof or whatever. That
was two point seven percent. But that's right in that
goldilock zone, the sweet spot. The Reserve Bank has been

(22:38):
waiting for inflation to come down sustainably between two and
three percent. So two point seven percent right in that
sweet spot. Now the government says, no surprise here. It's
a stunning result. And of course what this is done,
and it was heightened speculation. The Reserve Bank is going
to cut into this rates at its next meeting, which
I think is next week, perhaps the week after, and

(23:00):
maybe another cut prior to Christmas, and that will be
super well welcomed by so many people over here with
big mortgages.

Speaker 3 (23:06):
Now I want to talk about this guy called David James,
who I cannot call a creep yet because he hasn't
been found guilty, but I know his name, facing thirteen offenses,
with nine accounts of advigative use of a child to
make child abuse material. I mean a lot of the
allegations are too graphic to publish, but we know his name,
and I think this is important because often in these cases,
until they've found guilty, we don't know who these creeps are.

(23:27):
So how come we know the name of David James
in the New South Wales.

Speaker 7 (23:31):
It was a twelve month fight in court to he
was trying to protect his identity. He wanted to remain anonymous.
Police went to court and said no, he's accused of,
as you say, extremely serious crimes. And finally he has
now been a court has found no, he's got no
right to anonymity, so he has been identified. So for
twelve months this fight was going on. Now we know

(23:54):
a bit about this fellow. He's worked at nearly sixty
childcare centers six to zero. He's also a power a
former policeman. He was allegedly pinned by federal police, not
the state police, but federal police last year on the
dark web, and he was initially charged with refusing to
grant police access to his telephone police believed he had

(24:15):
photographed children, and indeed the allegation is explicit photographs of
kids five to six years old, right as they used
bathrooms at some of these centers that he was working at.
So's it's grotesque, it's dreadful, as you say, allegations. Only
at the stage the police had got a very very
strong case when the matter goes to court.

Speaker 3 (24:35):
I understood they contacted over twelve hundred people who might
have been victims, and they've all said yet, no, good,
thank you, we know all this and we're okay with
having his name out. So there we go. And the
judge also said there's no reason to keep his name
for public, even though the lawyer said naming him might
cause him to be under threatened the jail environment.

Speaker 11 (24:51):
So shame.

Speaker 3 (24:54):
Murray Old say thank you. Now this is news Talk's hep.
I'm in for Heather who's got a bit of illness
at home. Hopefully she'll be act tomorrow. Now I've opened
a new and I've opened a new hornet's nest of
a debate, do wasp sting or bite? I said, I
thought they bite? But everyone's going to tell that idiot
presenter who's not hither that they sting, So you know,

(25:16):
I look these things up. Wasps both sting and bite,
but they do primarily sting for defense. And the thing
about what's is they can sting you multiple times, unlike
the bees who can only can do it once and
then it's all over. They do also bite, but apparently
the bite's not so bad. So there you go, and
there they are. It is fifteen to five Politics in

(25:36):
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Speaker 3 (25:44):
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I think it's the last time I'm going to talk
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Speaker 14 (25:57):
Every different times a present for me joy in delight
and while I guess expiration is back on the menu boys, indeed,
great Lord of the Rings reference there, mister Dickens. As
expected this past in the House today with the government
parties voting for it and the opposition voting against it,
so there was not really anything outside of the ordinary there.

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The debate was as also expected quite fierce at times.
Here's what Meagan Wood said during her speech.

Speaker 15 (26:24):
The government needs to front up with some facts to
New Zealanders and come claim that what they are doing
is right wing virtue signaling and it is nothing more
than an ideological desire to look to the past instead
of investing in the future.

Speaker 14 (26:41):
So there were quite a few speeches along that line.
Right wing virtue signaling seemed to be the Labor parties
go to phrase. Act Simon Court also had a crack
at the Labor and the Greens and mister.

Speaker 16 (26:53):
Steve Abel, I tell you how important it is for
you and even people in the Green Party. It's those
critical minerals that this bill will enable to be extracted
and developed, that power your solar panels, your satellites, your
mobile phone, that keeps humans like all of us, even

(27:13):
build on the Green Party connected and on social media.

Speaker 14 (27:17):
So he was directing that at Steve abel who is
from the Green Party and Green Stephen Abel rather had
a clap back for him.

Speaker 17 (27:26):
That is why it is a futile effort on the
part of this government to try and bring this industry back,
because this industry knows full well that when this side
of the House is back on that side of the
House in eighteen months time, the ban on oil and
gas is coming back into place.

Speaker 14 (27:42):
So I actually think that is one of the most
important things that were said in this debate, because the
government can reverse the ban, but if you're an oil
and a gas company, why the heck would you bother
coming here? You could be losing billions and billions of
dollars because another government might reverse the reversal of the
oil and gas ban, and then another one might come
in and reverse the reversal of the reversal. So it's

(28:02):
just not really worth it for these big companies.

Speaker 3 (28:04):
Shane Jones has been nice about this, like how are
you going to ring fence and how are you going
to strengthen it and make sure that that doesn't happen
that we don't have flip flops? So has he got
an answer for it?

Speaker 14 (28:13):
Shane Jhones wasn't actually here today, unfortunately it was his
baby in the House, but he wasn't the one shepherding
it through today. It was Simon Watts as Energy Minister.
But I'm sure listen, it's a bit tough because governments
are sovereign, they're elected by the country. So if they
want to do something, they.

Speaker 2 (28:28):
Can do it. Okay.

Speaker 3 (28:30):
Now the Malordi Party and they're taking legal action over
alleged voter de registration.

Speaker 14 (28:35):
They are indeed Departy Marty have filed urgent proceedings in
the High Court following what they say is an alarming
reports that Marty acts across the country have been removed
from the electoral role or shifted off the Marty roll
without their knowledge, content or due process.

Speaker 2 (28:51):
Quote.

Speaker 14 (28:51):
We are witnessing what can only be described as voter suppression.
Our farmer are being stripped of their democratic right in silence.
And that's according to t Party Marii co leader Debbie Nadi,
were packet now pretty serious allegations here. The party has
sent formal letters to both the Electoral Commission, the Ministry
of Justice and the Ombudsman demanding urgent action, including a

(29:13):
full investigation of the enrollment system and an extensive registration
or an extensive look into the registration process in the
upcoming Tamaki Makoto by election. Now, if I were Tea
Party Marii, I'd probably not raise issues to do with
electoral problems when it comes to Tamaki Mikoto. Given the
investigations around their own voting behavior in the Manu Rewa

(29:34):
Marai and the last election. But hey, that's just me.
Justice Minister Paul Goldsmith, who's in charge of the Electoral Commission,
was asked about this and he said, there's nothing to
see here.

Speaker 3 (29:44):
Well, yes, I am concerned by the reports.

Speaker 18 (29:46):
All the advice I've had from the Electoral Commission is
that they can see no issue. So if the Maori
partier suggesting that there is my encouragement to them as
to give some specific details to the Electoral Commission and
let them join.

Speaker 14 (29:59):
So the Elector Commissioner have actually said that they've heard
some concerns that people have been unable to find their
employment records or it's our enrollment records on the website,
and they've checked and there are no technical issues with
our enrollment system. Quote, if you can't find your enrollment record,
it might be because you're not enrolled, or you're on
the unpublished role. There are a few other reasons why

(30:20):
enrollment records might not come up immediately or might not
be available on Volte New Zealand. So they're saying nothing
to see here as well. But I guess we'll wait
to see what the High Court says.

Speaker 3 (30:28):
I guess on the previous issue where you see that's
just me. Don't worry, Jason, it's not just you.

Speaker 14 (30:33):
I didn't think it was.

Speaker 3 (30:34):
It's me too, and an awful lot of other people
who have an awful lot of concerns. And Jason, it's
been lovely working with you. I'm presuming this is the
last time we talked, but then again that could be
wrong as well.

Speaker 7 (30:42):
And I thank you.

Speaker 3 (30:42):
It is seven minutes to vive.

Speaker 1 (30:45):
Putting the tough questions to the newspakers the mic asking breakfast.

Speaker 2 (30:49):
From the power front.

Speaker 3 (30:50):
They're reversing that oil and gas band.

Speaker 12 (30:51):
Shane Jones as the Minister for Resources, are you hopeful,
given next year's election year, that you can put enough
of this in place that won't be flipped again.

Speaker 6 (30:58):
I think we're the flipping trip line with the fossil fuels.

Speaker 2 (31:02):
But the trick that we.

Speaker 6 (31:03):
Missed us after Jasumba and that political fugitive from Electoral
Justice canceled the oil and gas industry.

Speaker 2 (31:08):
They should have immediately.

Speaker 6 (31:09):
Invested in due to moneynature sixty seven years ago, and
then we'd had the flow to color off the shortage.
I can think of no single decision that has had
a more destructive impact on energy policy that means economic
policy then just cinder canceling the organ gas industry.

Speaker 12 (31:23):
Back tomorrow at six am the Mike Hosking Breakfast with
the land Driver Discovery Newstalk ZB.

Speaker 3 (31:29):
Andrew, I'm in christ, Rich I received exactly zero emergency alerts.
Do they not have tsunamis in christ which of course
they do. They also have earthquakes, so you should have
got some. I'm going to ask Nima about that after
five o'clock today. Also another fact about wasps, they have
a memory, Jackson, I thank you, so they can sting
you time and time again and they remember every time

(31:49):
and they love it because they're wasps. Now, the reason
that FBI Director Cash Betel paid a secret visit to
Wellington has now been revealed. We're going to have a
permanent FBI base here in New Zealand. So he came
into Wellington on Wednesday, met with police and spy bosses,
met with ministers. All those sorts of people. Visit had
been kept under wraps and nobody said anything. And then

(32:11):
Thursday afternoon Cash Bettel in the States said oh yeah,
we're going to open an office of the FBI and
Wellington and it seemed to catch the New Zealand government
off guard. So what's happening there?

Speaker 6 (32:20):
Hey?

Speaker 3 (32:21):
Because I got a text saying I understood that the
FBI's focus was on crime within the USA only, So
why is it in New Zealand? What a good question,
which I will put to Judith Collins, Minister of Defense
after five o'clock today. Just at a few moments time,
I also asked him what do we do with a
drunken sailor? After the rear Admiral basically banned.

Speaker 1 (33:21):
Questions, answers, facts analysis, the drive show you trust for
the full picture? Andrew Dickens on hither duplessy Alan drive
with one New Zealand Let's get connected news talks.

Speaker 3 (33:33):
At be Weokod afternoon. She rocket to the program first
to the emergency alert that galvanized the country and a
lot of it made us angry. Civil Defense says there's
still a tsunami threat this afternoon, and there is now
rebounding tsunami activity happening from South America. It comes as
questions have been raised whin the warning system went just
a little bit overboard over the course of the night,

(33:56):
as many people reported being inundated with emergency alerts, including
the middle of the night. Now I'm joined by the
Director of Civil Defense. His name is John Price.

Speaker 11 (34:04):
John Price, Hello to you, oh pure Andrew. Thank you
very much for the opportunity to speak to you and
your listeners.

Speaker 3 (34:10):
Very good. First things first, we still have a risk. Now,
what's these rebounding tsunamis.

Speaker 11 (34:16):
Look really good question? Andrew? Thank you. Look, let's I
probably need to take a little step back and just
remind everyone, especially the listeners, that's what happened yesterday with
an eight point eight magnitude earthquake in Russia was probably
one of the largest earthquakes recorded in the history of

(34:37):
the world. So what that will do, the size of
that sort of earthquake will generate a substantive tsunami wave.
When I say, way, what that really is is a
body of water. It's not like a way that you
and I would see down at the It's a surge.

Speaker 3 (34:54):
Yes, John, We've watched movies of the boxing day tsunamis.
We know what it surged. We know what a tsunami
looks like, and we know that we know that that happened.
And then of course it's struck through the South China Sea.
We saw pictures of it on last night's news, but
it never made it to New Zealand. So why should
we be concerned about rebounding tsunamis when the original tsunami

(35:15):
didn't even make it in the first place.

Speaker 11 (35:17):
Well, that's not correct. That actually has made its way
to New Zealand, Andrew, and we've seen this. It's struck
at various different parts of New Zealand all the way
through from up North, all the way down South and
VENs to Chatham Islands. Where it's been we've had senses
that have picked it up. And so the tsunami or

(35:38):
the body of water is still with us at the moment,
and hence the rest because until that settles itself down,
we've still got strong and unusual currents. And we know
Andrew that in these sort of waters, if you enter
these waters, there's a ninety percent change to potentially.

Speaker 3 (35:56):
Luckily though of course it's winter and it's cold. Go carry,
I'm going for a swim. But here's the thing. The
Minister came on today with Kerry Woodham and said, look,
we do these alerts so that you can make an
informed decision. My problem is that I don't think the
decision got any more informed. From the start of the
earthquake until the second alert, which we got in the morning.
Twelve hours got nothing, and I worried that the monitoring

(36:18):
system that we have through all the oceans was not
feeding us with updated statistics.

Speaker 11 (36:23):
Oh look, no, that's completely wrong.

Speaker 10 (36:25):
Though.

Speaker 11 (36:25):
We've got a lot of strong science body from GNS
and also international research and science that has backed up
the fact that we have a body of water that
has and we've also experienced in it as well. There
are parts of the Bay of Plenty that have had
to evacuate as a result of it.

Speaker 3 (36:45):
So we're definitely really sorry, said that's who's evacuated.

Speaker 11 (36:51):
We were as parts of Buy a Plenty where the
precautionary was taken just to keep them.

Speaker 3 (36:55):
So the water came up, the water came up past
the beach, and up they came, and people had to
be evacuated, not up, not up over the.

Speaker 11 (37:03):
Beach, but into areas. Because you've got to remember the
likes of estuaries and such might become areas of concern.
So and we know this Marinas and places like that
where the water can surge up. What we've got to
do is take a precautionary approach, not a complacency approach.

Speaker 3 (37:21):
So now why does some people get one alert, some
people got three alerts, some people got five. I've got
some people who are claiming they got seven. Was this
a localized alerts or is there a glitch in our
emergency system?

Speaker 11 (37:35):
Look, as you you need to just explain what we
do there is we identify the potential hazard and threat
and it was to the whole coast of New Zealand
and the Chatham Islands. So what we do then is
we basically create a coastal polygon around the coast of

(37:56):
New Zealand and what happens is the message is sent
to any fund that currently is within that holygon which
is near the coast. So if you're inland, no, you're
not going to get an emergency mobile alert because there's
no threat all this through that area. But if you
then move from the inland area during the time the

(38:19):
emergency mobile alert is alive, it will set itself up.

Speaker 3 (38:23):
Well John, John, I'm very good, Thank you keep watching,
keep us informed. Thank you very much for your time tonight, Andrew.
And that is John Price who is our civil defense head,
and I'm sure we all appreciated him explaining what an
earthquake in the tsunami is to the citizens of New Zealand.
We all needed that, didn't we. It is twelve minutes
after five dicks, we finally know what FBI Director Cash

(38:45):
Hotel was in the country for. America's Federal Bureau of
Investigation has announced it will set up its own standalone
office in Wellington. So Judith Collins is the Minister of
Defense and she joins me. Now, hello, Judith, Oh, hello Andrew.
Why we have the FBI decided to set up shop.
In fact, I'm going to ask you another question. I
thought the FBI only worked internally within America and the

(39:07):
CIA was about external So why is the FBI now
in Wellington?

Speaker 19 (39:11):
As essentially as our counterpart would be New Zealand's Security
Intelligence Server, so basically spies. FBI is more on trians,
national crime, and also obviously the intelligence agencies work with
the law enforcement agencies, but it's certainly a law enforcement

(39:33):
and intelligence cooperation.

Speaker 3 (39:35):
Okay, So they are going to talk about the threat
of China, but they're also going to talk about the
threat of increased drug trades and general shenanigans within the
South Pacific exactly.

Speaker 20 (39:45):
So the.

Speaker 19 (39:47):
Director explained today that he realized that New Zealand was
the only Five Eyes country that didn't have our own
FBI agency here. A certainly we have had for many
years and person here, but to turn it into an
actual agency that reports through to the Washington to Kesh

(40:09):
Burttel's office rather than going through CANBRA.

Speaker 21 (40:13):
So we're not a sub branch anymore.

Speaker 3 (40:15):
Will they actually have a storefront? Could I go along
to the FBI and knock on the door or will
it all be done in secrecy?

Speaker 19 (40:23):
That's all pretty secret that they're in the with the
obviously the US embassy. So look, the FBI and the
New Zealand Police as well as our security agencies have
long worked together. And you're talking about transnational crime, whether
it's cyber crime forward, organized crime generally money laundering, child explortation,

(40:45):
and also foreign intelligence threats. So the Agency office will
have responsibility not only for partnerships in New Zealand but
with Antarctica the work there, but also some more New
Ana and.

Speaker 3 (41:00):
They'll help our own fight against those issues.

Speaker 7 (41:03):
Yeah.

Speaker 19 (41:04):
Look, we have common threats, whether it's people trafficking fentanyl,
which is a big focus at the moment for the FBI,
but also methamphetamine, which is one of our big focus areas.
But we have common threats around transnational criminals.

Speaker 3 (41:21):
And this is good news really because with the election
of the Donald Trump administration, it was thought that the
America was going to become more inward looking and stop
looking outwards. But this shows that they are still committed
to being an outward looking power.

Speaker 6 (41:34):
Yeah.

Speaker 19 (41:35):
Well, I think it's incredibly important. I mean, clearly, we
have a population the size of Alabama, and we have
the enormous area to cover, and particularly around that transnational crime.
The US has enormous opportunities to help us with that,
and I think every New Zealander would say this is
a good thing.

Speaker 3 (41:54):
Now. I know, you'll tell me this is an operational
issue for the defense forces. But on a personal level,
you'd disappointed that the head of the Navy, the rear Admiral,
had to come out and scold drunken sailors.

Speaker 2 (42:05):
Yeah.

Speaker 19 (42:05):
Actually I felt for the Chief of Navy because nobody
wants to have to do that, And the fact is
that people need to remember that, you know, they don't
the dry ships basically, they've got to be really careful
in the operating, but you cannot go crazy when you
get to port and it's really important that we not
have these things happen. And I thought, good on them.

Speaker 3 (42:28):
And will the agencies within the Defense Force still be
funded to help I know this, there are sexual abuse
agencies within the Defense forces. Will there be funding to
help help the sailors, the soldiers in the air and
combat the evil drink?

Speaker 19 (42:46):
Oh well, everyone has to. I don't know the detail
on that, but I do know that the Defense Force
is a very seriously focused on its people and I
find them a great employer that I look at some
of the work they do for people when whether it's
health free health care or free dental care, these are

(43:07):
not things that most people in the outside the Defense
Force would get, So I can't imagine they're not doing
an awful lot for their people.

Speaker 3 (43:14):
Truith Collins, Defense Minister, I thank you for your time today.
At the time is now seventeen minutes after five and
a lot of reaction to our lead interview with the
head of Civil Defense. First texta came through said what
a terrible talking head Andrew John Price, And I thought
so too. I was disturbed that he was man explaining
to me exactly what an earthquake in a tsunami was,
and that a tsunami was a surge of water and

(43:35):
not a wave. And I'm sitting there going, we've only
got four minutes to do this interview, mate, Let's get
down to the brass tacks. What is the actual threat?
And everything came out a slow way. However, that's upset
an awful lot of you who said I was rude
and I was interrupting, Well, of course I was. He
was talking bureaucratase, Darren Wrights. I'm at an elevation of
three hundred meters seventy kilometers in land. I got an alert,

(43:55):
so that man was wrong. And another one says, this
guy is why defense is treated as a joke, because
he felt a bit jumped up, in a bit self
important and a control free. But then so am I.
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Speaker 3 (45:06):
Major carmakers turned to New Zealand to help recycle their
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joins you now from Mint Innovation.

Speaker 21 (45:14):
Hello Will, Hi Andrew, thanks for having me on show.

Speaker 3 (45:17):
So you've got an eighteen million dollar contract to recycle
EV batteries who with.

Speaker 21 (45:22):
Yeah's a Jaguar androver. So as part of the collaboration
we have with them to scale our technology from the
pirate scale which we do in Auckland into kind of
larger scale that then goes on to commercial scale in
the UK.

Speaker 3 (45:36):
So their betteries to New Zealand to be recycled. Here
are we taking risks here?

Speaker 21 (45:41):
No, we don't recycle them here. We are building a
plant with them in the UK, and that we're using
the technology that we developed here in New Zealand.

Speaker 3 (45:51):
So obviously batteries are being used more and more. Could
we become the best at lithium removal and disposal in
the world.

Speaker 21 (45:59):
Yeah, that's essentially what the technology does. We've developed a
unique technology and we are scaling to be one of
the world leaders in this.

Speaker 3 (46:07):
How did you do that?

Speaker 21 (46:10):
We've got some very very clever lab people. We start
the business and recovery metals from e waste and have
just kind of extended the platform to looking at other
waste streams with interesting metals and Leslie mind batteries huge
problem and those critical metals in them are a huge opportunity.
If you can create a circular solution, then everybody the winner.

Speaker 3 (46:34):
Well, good on you. I hope you've developed a bit
of mousetrap, so to speak. Will Barker, the man behind
Mint Innovation, Doctor Will Barker, I should say, and yes,
we're dealing with the UK's let's the battery removal and
that's a good thing, and that's a growth industry. And
that's five twenty three.

Speaker 1 (46:50):
Informed insight into today's issues. It's Andrew dickens on hither
duplicy aland drive with one New Zealand.

Speaker 2 (46:58):
Let's get connected the youth talks'd be.

Speaker 3 (47:01):
So it is five twenty six. The repeal of Labor's
oil and exploration ban has finally happened. Shane Jones has
been talking about a store more weak, but he wasn't
in the house today. I have no problem with looking
for oil and gas. We need it, after all, I
cook with gas. If our current supplies run out, I'll

(47:25):
have to go back to electric, as will many other people.
That's going to cost me in the country, and as
we all know, electricity isn't exactly growing on trees these days,
so it might just be swapping one supply problem with another.
This morning, Mike Hoskins said that Labour's ban was idealism,
and it's very worse. And he said, if we had
all the windmills and solar panels and batteries in place,

(47:47):
it might have made much more sense. And I totally
agree with that. He is right. You can't get rid
of one mode if the next isn't approaching ready to
take the demand. You just can't do it. There's nothing
to replace it. Then you end out with shortages. The
ban by Labor was a bold stroke bit of virtue
signaling that was doomed by its lack of detailed thinking

(48:07):
about the consequences. So Nashville is repealing it. Good job,
but I'm not sure their motivations are in the right place.
The main motivator seems to be to stick it to
the environmentalists and the Labor Party, and that in itself
is just as ideological as the ban in the first place.
And that's what Labour's saying to them. The national is
now virtue signaling in the opposite direction. There is also

(48:30):
the unbridled optimism that we're actually going to find something.
Shane Jones will have you believe that we have our
fortune under our feet. Has been denied us by Jasindra Ourduram.
But based on success rates on gas and all expiration
over the past thirty years, I'd have to say that
he's dreaming. And then there's the assumption of liability by
the state in the new legislation that is going to

(48:50):
be passed. You may have read about the story of
the Malaysian operators of the two we find in Taranaki
went bust in twenty nineteen, and they just walked away
from what they'd done, leaving the taxpayer to spend nearly
three hundred million dollars capping the under sea wells and
cleaning up all the sites. It cost us three hundred million.
We got nothing out of this. Now that liability got

(49:11):
change to make the operators liable for the mess Now,
Shane says, no, we'll pick up the costs if you
screw up. I have no idea other than to make
a poor site slightly more affordable to explore. And we're
just risking another bust or another disaster, another bankruptcy, and
then another big bill for the taxpayer to clean up
the messic causes. But today we're soon to become free

(49:34):
to explore again. But I don't have my hope. So
and I'm still waiting for a politician to talk about
these issues with a little less ingrained ideology, either left
or right.

Speaker 2 (49:46):
Andrew Dickens, what shall we do.

Speaker 3 (49:48):
With a drunken sailor? Has been the little line all
day long because we had a rear admiral come out
and say you've got to stop drinking. There's too much
drinking in the defense force. But what shall we do
about it? Do we have the it needs to help?
We'll find out next with way Matt on.

Speaker 1 (50:03):
The iHeart app and in your car on your drive home,
it's Andrew Dickens on Hither duplessy Alum drive with one
New Zealand let's get connected news talks that'd be.

Speaker 3 (50:26):
Welcome on the Thursday. Thank you for choosing our program.
My name is Andrew Dickens.

Speaker 11 (50:30):
Here.

Speaker 3 (50:31):
They should be back tomorrow. It is twenty three minutes
to six. So of course, just been talking about the
oil and bass gas ban on exploration. It's sober that's
going through the house. It happened Shane Jones's cockerhoop and
all that sort of thing. Just talked about it before, Andrew,
you didn't mention that after Labour's ban on oil and
gas exploration, New Zealand imported dirty coal and the price
of power went through the roof. Regards from Wayne's I know, Wayne,

(50:53):
that was the funny thing about it. They just banned
all and gas thinking that exploration, thinking that yeah, we've
solved you know, climbing crisis and all that sort of thing,
and not realizing that New Zealands still need to power
on its economy, and so they burnt even dirtier coal,
and not even our own coal. They imported their coal.
I mean, hello, you know this is not unintended consequences.
This was unforeseen consequences by an ideological decision by the

(51:15):
Labor Party. And then people say, well, why are you
saying that the writer just as virtue signaling? They're not
just as, but they are still virtue signaling because they
know these votes and making people believe there's a bonanza
underneath your feet. But in other Texas says did they
not also announce a new scheme to search for geo
thermal energy on the same day that they are repeating
the band. Yes, they did, And there was a great

(51:36):
interview earlier this week with Shane Jones where he said
when Labour put in the band in the first place,
they should have started a campaign and a directive to
search for geo thermal, which they didn't do when they
had six years to do it, and they just never
got round to doing it, so they never looked actively
for an alternative, which was a major mistake. At least
these guys, they are looking for an alternative. And we

(51:57):
live in hope and it is twenty two to sixigins,
what woo.

Speaker 20 (52:02):
And a drunken sailor?

Speaker 12 (52:03):
What woo?

Speaker 9 (52:04):
And a drunken sailor?

Speaker 2 (52:05):
What in an oaken sailor lay in themborn and not.

Speaker 3 (52:09):
Alive in question obviously, But the Chief of Navy has
ordered his sailors to stop drinking so much after a
numerous number of incidents that were very embarrassing both here
in New Zealand and overseas, and violence and sexual abuse
and all sorts of things, or because of the evil drink.
Defense Minister Judith Collins has been briefed on a number
of these incidents. So Chief of Navy Rear Admiral Garren

(52:30):
Golding has put out a directive saying that alcohol consumption
must be at levels allowing the Navy to maintain its effectiveness, readiness,
and reputation. He did this directive. It has been obtained
by the Herald. We have reported on this. We asked
garon the Rear admiral to come on and to talk
about this, but he was not prepared to talk about this.
Nor was many people prepared to talk about this, And

(52:51):
we don't know why. But one person prepared to talk
about it as former Defense Minister Wayne Mapp, who joins
he now Halloway Andrew. When you end out with a
rear admiral basically ordering a stop to drinking, you've got
to say that things have gotten pretty dysfunctional and they
haven't been able to handle the problem.

Speaker 22 (53:08):
Well, it's a changing times. I mean just salis and drinking.
Who will ever guest, But the environment today is different
on all sorts of issues, and I think that's probably
lead to it. You know, for young people, drinking has
been reduced, but they're still extremes. And then we'll send
it with the Navy.

Speaker 3 (53:28):
So where the directive like this rein is in, will
there be harsher consequences for people actually involved who get drunk?
I mean, what is he saying, He's just ordering don't
get drunk? Is that really effective?

Speaker 8 (53:41):
Oh?

Speaker 22 (53:41):
There will be harsher consequences. I think that kind of
sets up the platform for precisely that I mean, as
I said, expectations a change things that were okay two
decades ago Kracktic when I was Minister, I used to
complain to the Chief of Defense during Matter Prize that cray,

(54:01):
what are these all these people getting into trouble for?
He said, well, there's twelve thousand people in a Defense Force,
a bit of a microcosm of New Zealand, and there's
some truth in that. But you know, the environment in
New Zealanders changing, the expectations are changing, and Admiral is
the Admiral is very much aware of us.

Speaker 3 (54:19):
So we've got this directive which says, you know, ty
hoe on the drinking. That's all well and good. But
of course the Defense Force are currently restructuring staff as
part of the government's war on public spending, and there
have been concerns that many of their services might get cut.
There have been concerns in the media about SAPRAA, which
is the sexual assault Prevention and Response Advisor within the
Defense Force, having a cut and funding. The question is,

(54:40):
rather than doing an order, shouldn't we in fact be
increasing basically response agencies within the Defense Force to deal
with the problem and a basic level right at where
it starts.

Speaker 22 (54:53):
Well, the first step, and that is in fact the order.
I think they will be doing a lot more of that.
I mean change, doing expectations, giving briefings, giving counseling, getting
the things done that actually reduces these problems. I imagine
the issue is really about people in uniform, which really
embarrasses an avy thing. Oh the Defense Force generally, the

(55:15):
things go awry, and he's doing the right thing. He's
setting up expectations, and I would anticipate there will be
some changes just there as there is in general society.

Speaker 3 (55:26):
Wayne, I thank you for your time today, Former Defense
Minister way Map on newstalks here b. It is now
eighteen to six.

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and gentlemen, good afternoon. The issue d jure, the BEG issue.
Did our emergency management go overboard during the tsunami alerts overnight?
And we'll start with you, Tim, you have a minute.

Speaker 23 (56:03):
Yeah, I mean I think emergency management continues to undermine
its credibility. We saw that in Auckland with some of
the recent rain warnings that came through. I mean, once
you start sending out alert about an earthquake on the
other side of the world, I mean, wouldn't you wait
till at least Hawaii or if he g got tsunamid?

(56:24):
And I do see that there was a surge that
hit I think it was the Chatham Islands. It was
one point zero meters. We've calculated that would affect our
toddler Otto. He's two and a half and he doesn't
have a phone. So what are you going to do
about him?

Speaker 3 (56:37):
We're going to give him a surfboard? What do you say?
I mean, I mean, was it overboard?

Speaker 1 (56:42):
You know?

Speaker 3 (56:42):
Was it the excessive?

Speaker 24 (56:44):
I don't entirely agree with Tim on this. I think
it comes down to what is reasonable. And I'm not
an expert in the area of how far an eight
point to earthquake can travel. I don't think anyone is
because we have so few of them, and I think
that's the issue. You know, it's one of the largest
we've ever seen we're now seeing it rebound off South America.
I understand. So they took a precautionary approach, and I

(57:06):
think that's reasonable. I think the issue is the number
of alerts. And I have to say, as you mentioned, Andrew,
the communication is not great. I do think mister Price
needs some communication training to be frank. Look, he's had
a leading role in police responses to emergencies, including the
earthquakes here in christ Church, the Port Hills fires, the

(57:27):
terrorist attacks as well, so he knows his stuff. But
let's have someone who can be succinct, clear and direct
when they're talking to us. And I think if we
get that sorted, it will help the credibility.

Speaker 23 (57:38):
Andrew, I know just the person who can help. Allie Jones,
red pr right.

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That was free.

Speaker 3 (57:47):
We're going to talk about Navy people drinking, in fact,
all the defense forces drinking. Right after the break. This
is the huddle with Alie Jones and Tim Wilson. This
is NEWSTALKSB the huddle with.

Speaker 1 (57:56):
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Speaker 3 (58:00):
Results from the text ninety two ninety two Small Charge
of Plays after the interview, I have no faith in
the head of our Civil Defense John Price. It was
that bad, yes, And don't worry, there's just as many
text saying that I was rude and arrogant because they
got frustrated at his lack of answers.

Speaker 9 (58:14):
But there we go. We're in the huddle.

Speaker 3 (58:16):
We've got Allie Jones and Tim Wilson. And the next issue,
ladies and gentlemen, is the Chief of Navy has ordered
keep we say is to stop drinking irresponsibly, saying that
their drinking is undermining the professionalism and the reputation of
the Navy and the Defense Force. And I think it's
got to a very bad state when Ali the Rear Admiral,
has to do in order to stop drinking, rather than

(58:37):
putting in support services to stop people from drinking.

Speaker 24 (58:41):
I don't think you can assume what to what point
it's got Andrew. I think that actually getting in before
it gets to that point is the smart thing to do.
And I think they could be front footing this before
it gets to that point. I'm so well done to them.
I heard what Judas Collins said, and I agree with her,
because you know, put something out like this they know

(59:01):
it's going to be a new story, they know it's
going to put the spotlight on them, and that people
will be looking for incidents now to show what you've
just said that it's got to a really bad, bad point.
So you know, they have footed this knowing that they
could be throwing themselves open to really close scrutiny. But
just one thing that's really important about this is this
should highlight the wider societal issue with alcohol. You know,

(59:25):
we hear this a lot sometimes, you know, pregnant women
warn not to drink, the effects of fetal alcohol syndrome
and so forth. This is a bigger societal issue and
I want that talked about more rather than just you
know about the navy here.

Speaker 3 (59:37):
And this is true. And also Tim, this is the thing.
We've got twelve thousand people in the Defense Force. We
ask them to a job that most people wouldn't have
the guts or the walls to do in the first place.
And yes, there's a lot of drinking, and yes there
is a lot of sexual abuse, and there's a lot
of violence, so that there's a lot of shenanigans going on.
But it's important to control these things within a forced
to keep the discipline.

Speaker 23 (59:58):
Yeah, yeah, and that's I think that's this is the typical.
This is the way that a Navy would respond to something.
They first give an order, and as Wayne Map said,
I think that order is the beginning of a process.
I just observed that there seems to be a cluster
of bad behavior. So I don't know if the drinking
is a cause or a symptom, but I will note
that there's no drinking allowed while at sea or anchored.

(01:00:21):
These are onshore issues and historically, actually we're quite boozy.
I looked it up. He Zild was the last navy
in the world to stop a daily tot of rum
and that was stopped on the twenty eight to February
nineteen ninety.

Speaker 21 (01:00:34):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:00:34):
And the problem is with how forces have mad mondays
when they come ashore in Singapore and they go, look
at that, we're off the ship. What are we going
to do now?

Speaker 6 (01:00:40):
You know?

Speaker 3 (01:00:41):
But I can tell you that it's a big problem
in many areas because I hear the cannons going off
whenever the court martials are happening at the Devenport Naval Base,
and it happens an awful lot. There's an awful lot
of offending within the Navy, and it's based on drink,
and it's based on sexual abuse and all sorts of things.
And I know there's already sexual abuse support agencies within
the Defense Force, and I just wondered whether they've actually

(01:01:01):
got on top of drinking earlier. But yeah, they've done
the order, so there's a good thing. So Allie, the
leader of Gloria Vale is officially a sex offender. Is
it time to close that place down?

Speaker 6 (01:01:11):
Oh?

Speaker 3 (01:01:12):
My god?

Speaker 22 (01:01:12):
Yes?

Speaker 24 (01:01:13):
Did you see Brian Henry last night? Outstanding? I had
to lay it on the table here. I've worked for
the last three years with the lawyers and Brian and
the team supporting the leavers, doing it pro bow, no
no payment or anything. I just want to help them out.
And you know, I texted Brian last night after I.

Speaker 19 (01:01:28):
Saw that on the news.

Speaker 24 (01:01:29):
He was bristling. I have never seen him that angry
in the three years i've worked with him. This is
a sex cult and that's something that Brian and the
team have been saying for ages now. This was operating
under Cindra A Dune's government. Now they made huge efforts
in that government to address overseas slavery, protect children, and
here we've got it going on on the west coast

(01:01:51):
of New Zealand.

Speaker 19 (01:01:53):
Oh we'll see.

Speaker 3 (01:01:56):
Ali, Elli, hold on, you're coming and go, you're coming
and going.

Speaker 24 (01:02:00):
I'm cutting out there now, am I here?

Speaker 23 (01:02:02):
Now?

Speaker 11 (01:02:02):
Okay?

Speaker 24 (01:02:02):
Yeah, so what they should have closed it down, But
what they need to do is put supports in place.
There are people in there who have been in there
from the day they were born, and their parents as well.
It's generational now, so they've got to close it down,
but they have to do it carefully and put the
supports around it.

Speaker 3 (01:02:18):
Tim.

Speaker 23 (01:02:20):
Yeah, look, I've gone back and fall on this. I
agree with Ali, But then I think, okay, so they're
closing it down. What does shutting Gloria Veil down actually
look like? Does it mean taking the land? Doesn't mean
driving a tank through the front of the place that
starts to trammelf some really big freedoms, freedom of association,
freedom of religion, property rights, all of that stuff. Now

(01:02:42):
when the last battle.

Speaker 3 (01:02:44):
It also means, you know, liberating people who have been
enslaved from childhood and.

Speaker 24 (01:02:49):
The sex abuse, the slavery stops.

Speaker 23 (01:02:53):
I get that, And Gloria Vale has been subject to
the law. There was you know, from August twenty twenty two,
twenty twenty two oring a Samriiki MSD et cetera, where
getting reports out of Glory of Veil. That stopped in
December twenty twenty three. I would say, get that happening again.
But I think it's a bad precedent. Yes, it's a
place for some real problems, and there are real victims.

(01:03:14):
But I don't think shulling it down will solve that.

Speaker 24 (01:03:17):
I don't think they don't. They shouldn't be getting any
more chances when they stop that reporting back at that
at the end of twenty did you say twenty three time?
I couldn't remember where twenty twenty three happened twenty Yeah.
I mean, there is enough that has gone on here.
This is not the first sexual sort of predator that
we've seen in that place. The school doesn't operate because
they can't teach them. The women are told what to

(01:03:39):
think and what to do. I mean, just look at
the documentary. I cannot believe. I still say I cannot
believe that this is still going on in New Zealand.
They need to close it down, and they need to
close it down now.

Speaker 10 (01:03:50):
I'm with you.

Speaker 3 (01:03:50):
I'm with you totally as well.

Speaker 9 (01:03:51):
Ali.

Speaker 3 (01:03:51):
I've seen evidence and evidence and bits on the TV.
I've said it all the time, and I've seen the
horror that people have seen this, and you've explained it. Well,
you're right, Brian explained it well last night. And so yeah,
i'd say it's about time, and I'd like to thank
both of you because time is up on the huddle
for Ali Jones and Tim Wilson. And this is News TALKSB.

Speaker 1 (01:04:10):
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Speaker 3 (01:04:19):
Talks B. Gloria vale Ben says that place has been
there since the late eighties. Our friends sold that farm
to them. Because you heard Ali say, well, you know
it took root during the Labor administration, but did it really?
But certainly the Labor administration didn't take active steps against it.
But he heard even Tim. Tim came out and said,
well the problem is this the private property rights and
this freedom of association, et cetera, et cetera. But I

(01:04:41):
think after everything that we've seen in every story that
we've heard that's always made huge news in our media,
mainstream media and them all are stories of survivors talking
about exploitation, exploitation of their labor, exploitation of their freedom
to associate themselves, expectation of their beliefs in God, exploitation

(01:05:04):
of almost everything. And now we've got a guy who
ran the place who is a convicted sex offender, and
there's exploitation of child children and sexual ways and that's
all happening at glory of our So just shut it down.
Just shut it down. The concern about what do you
do put a bulldozer through it. No, you just requisition it.
And so under the Proceeds of Crime Act, don't you

(01:05:25):
and say, spread out people and offer them all the
support they can get because it was a cult and
their victims are manifold and we've met them in the
media time and time again. And this surely is the
straw that broke the camel's back, don't you think. Okay,

(01:05:47):
quite upset about that story, to be honest with you,
But there we go. After all of that gas exploration
of New Zealander's coming back or got pasted. Today the
Crown Mineral's Amendment Bill has passed its third reading. So
we'll get into it with the guy who actually is
what he's talking about. John Carnegie Energy Resources our tail
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did is seven minutes after six? Should we close down
Gloria Vale because the leader of Gloria Vale is now
a convicted sex offender and we've had the litany of
problems from labor expectation and more. That's your question for today.
Ninety two ninety two that's the text. Small charge does
apply apply. But first offshoil oil and gas exploration in

(01:07:22):
New Zealand is no longer banned. The Crown Mineral's Amendment
Bill has passed its third reading in Parliament this afternoon.
So John Carnegie is Energy Resources All Tailor O, Chief
Executive and John joins. So now, hello John, Hello, good evening.
You welcome this, Oh, we most certainly do. What does

(01:07:43):
this change for the oil and gas businesses operating in
New Zealand.

Speaker 8 (01:07:48):
Well, it's important to start by saying the only way
for economic growths through energy abundance in natural gas as
a critical role to play in achieving this. And look,
we've all felt the of an energy shortage over the
last couple of years in terms of the threat of
electricity blackouts, factory closures and high prices. And actually we

(01:08:09):
don't need to stay on this path and this bill
reflects a change of path. Look, it definitely changes the
outlook for the better. And of course it's not a
silver bullet, but combined with the nature of the changes
and it it sends a positive signal that New Zealand
is serious about attracting capital back into the sector. Again.

Speaker 3 (01:08:31):
Absolutely, but as you say, it's not a silver bullet
because here's the thing. Lots of expiration has happened over
the last thirty years. But the fines have been minimal.
Is this really? Is there really a fortune underneath our feet?

Speaker 8 (01:08:45):
I look, New Zealand is highly prospective in terms of
oil and gas.

Speaker 22 (01:08:52):
The part of the.

Speaker 8 (01:08:54):
Problem, particularly over the last or since the band the
last seven years, is that the oil and gas has
been confined to their existing mature and near end of
life fields, and so it gets harder and harder, and
also the incentive to invest diminishes when effectively an entire
sector is told that they're not welcome anymore.

Speaker 3 (01:09:15):
So we're hopeful, You're hopeful. Are you relatively confident that,
in fact there could be another find which will extend
the life of our natural gas fields, in particular because
that's used in so many industries and it's used by
so many people for cooking, and if that goes, we're
then solely dependent on electricity. So are you confident, not
just hopeful, but confidence there are more gas? There is

(01:09:39):
more gas to be found.

Speaker 8 (01:09:41):
Oh, look, there is most certainly more gas to be found.
In the spell gives us the chance to do that.
I mean, for years now, the messages our settings have
been sending to both domestic oil and gas producers and
international investors as don't bother you're not welcome. So we're

(01:10:01):
now starting to tell a very different story, one that
an invites capital and capability back into the country.

Speaker 3 (01:10:09):
Are you expecting that capital to come back? You know,
having had the set back, having thought okay, let's just
right New Zealand off the agenda, do you think they
will come back or do you think they will be
gun shy?

Speaker 8 (01:10:23):
Well again, we're hopeful that now that we've got different
regulatory and commercial settings that investors will start to reassess
New Zealand is a place to invest and look more
favorably on doing so.

Speaker 3 (01:10:43):
But what happens if Labour wins the next election, and
will they slap the band right back on? And then
we'll our overseas agencies who actually found this sort of
thing already be thinking that and thinking, well, no, it's
going to take a long time for us to earn
their trust back.

Speaker 8 (01:10:57):
Oh well, look, I mean I think the sector is
it's more than happy to work with whoever is on
government to to assure them that they can do their
activity in an environmental sound way. It can do it

(01:11:18):
in a way that protects the risks to tax bars
and in fact do it in a way that keeps
our factories humming internationally competitive in our household's able to
afford energy. So you know, I think there's a range
of positive benefits from greater expiration.

Speaker 3 (01:11:34):
Now this new Crowd Minerals Amendment Bill, there was a
late change around the liability for decommissioning oil and gas operations.
And there's been coverage this week about the two E
find and Tarlannaki that was financed by Tamarind out of Midlaysia,
and they went broke and then they walked away, and
they didn't decommission and they didn't clean up, and so
the taxpayers ended out with a three hundred million dollar charge.

(01:11:56):
We then changed the laws to make sure that the
operators were then liable for them. Mess is there a
risk that taxpayers could end out having a Tamarin situation
back on their hands again in the future.

Speaker 8 (01:12:07):
Well, first of all, I think we should point out
that Tamaran was able to come into the country via
a legislative loophole which was closed. So regulators actually do
their job properly, we'll only get permit holders who are
financially robust. But the thing that the tamar And instance

(01:12:28):
highlighted was the need to manage financial risk appropriately, and
that's what this set of reforms aims to do. The
industry clearly supports a more discretionary, case by case approach
to decommissioning because the risks aren't the same across all
permit holders. So you know, what's important is that this
bill will now act strikes the right balance protecting tax

(01:12:52):
payers while still allowing investment in the infrastructure we need.

Speaker 3 (01:12:57):
Well, John Kennie, I presume it's a very good day
to you, and I thank you very much for your
time today. John, is the energy resources are here or
a chief executive? And this is new stalks there be
Should Gloria Vale be closed now that their leader has
been found to be a sex offender and we've had
the numerous other exploitation charges that have been backed up

(01:13:18):
in a court of aw So what's your thoughts, well, Text,
The problem is that your condemnation of Glory Vale is
based on what you saw and were told on the TV.
And I stopped believing anything I saw on the TV
after it was manipulated by the government over COVID. Okay,
all right, you need to go there and see it
for yourself. Every commune has this kind of overfamiliar living

(01:13:39):
and shared assets going on. Is it because it's religious
that it is so wrong?

Speaker 23 (01:13:43):
Well?

Speaker 3 (01:13:43):
No sexual exploitation of children is just wrong, full stop,
in a community that operates outside of society on a
farm and West coast is what I think. My Texas says.
There is always a few bad eggs in the tray,
only those that are left kicking up the stink and
the rest quite content with their lot. Nah, you have
to go there to find out. But maybe you have,

(01:14:05):
and Andrew Reeve Goyvel. Unfortunately that group, tribe, gang, organization,
church isn't the only one that suffers many of those
human failings. And ain't that the truth? It is six
point fifteen. How's farmer confidence? Sky high? More on this
with Hamish Mackay from the Country.

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Speaker 3 (01:14:39):
It is coming up eighteen minutes after six and running
the Country dot co dot in zead This week for
versus Hamish Mackay who joins us. Now ready to talk
to you again, Hamish, and can I say you're looking good?

Speaker 25 (01:14:49):
Oh see here fifty five kilos off does help the
old get the old carcass around, if you know what
I mean.

Speaker 3 (01:14:55):
Yeah, Now, you guys have been talking about a rural
rural divide. We've heard about the rural urban divibe, but
this as a rural rural divide. Are you trying to
suggest that farmers are not of one mind?

Speaker 23 (01:15:05):
Yes?

Speaker 25 (01:15:05):
Well, you know, the egg Proud organization came out quite
a a year or two ago and said, look, there
is no one way, but we have to be one,
you know, if we want to if farmers want to
make some real progress here. And there's nothing wrong with
farm gate prices at the moment, but they'd never be
agreeing enough so to speak, to put together something like

(01:15:28):
the Dutch with as a farmer's party that actually gets
into parliament.

Speaker 22 (01:15:31):
It's a little bit of tall poppy.

Speaker 2 (01:15:33):
There was too great.

Speaker 25 (01:15:34):
A great example was Jeff Ross's and Jeff and Justin
Ross's Lake harwe are stationed where they had the They
had the mattresses at the bottom of the shearing porthole
and the sheep went down, and rural New Zealand just
went into this you know, off the wall kind of
attack on what who really cares? And then a week
later the beautiful ruinery station which has run just north

(01:15:54):
of Tire, happy old school traditional farm, well it turns
out that the Lake harwere and it couldn't be more
different in some people's eyes, but in fact that they
share so many of the same sort of ideas and principles,
and so you know, it's it is not to be fair.
It is not a united front out there in the
rural space, and it probably needs to be.

Speaker 3 (01:16:15):
And to be fair, Jeoff Ross had the last laugh
about how we are stationed as well, because only weeks
after that, Conde Nas came out and gave them a
five star rating for their accommodation facilities and basically they're
they're turning a profit where many New Zealand farms aren't.

Speaker 6 (01:16:27):
You know.

Speaker 3 (01:16:27):
So hello, and I did rather like the white shade
that they painted their shearing shed so you can see
the blood splashes.

Speaker 25 (01:16:35):
Yes, you know, look look, you know, I mean, how
could you you know?

Speaker 6 (01:16:38):
I just I love what they do there.

Speaker 25 (01:16:40):
It's different, but it's still great.

Speaker 3 (01:16:42):
Yeah, now we've got a farmer confidence survey out this
week and farmers are pretty happy.

Speaker 2 (01:16:49):
Yeah.

Speaker 25 (01:16:49):
Look, dairy farmers a huge lift in their confidence and
they are at that plus ten dollars per kilogram of
milk solids, which can represent a pretty good year for
those who produce at a good level. Sheep and beef
and lamb. Lamb's being very strong, beef, very very strong.
So though the confidence across those sectors is definitely out,

(01:17:10):
not so much for the grain and the seed and
the arable guys that they are struggling a little bit
and their confidence is down just their the volatility of
the global market for them. And also there's you know,
things like you know, having to deal with pests and
disease and then yet we get an outfit like Bayer
having to shut down the New Zealand Research Development arm

(01:17:31):
and so you know, a fear few challenges for our
arable farmers. But you'd have to say, across the board,
farmer confidence definitely up.

Speaker 3 (01:17:39):
And that's a good thing because it all flows through
And I thank you very much. Hemus Mackay from the
Country The Country dot co dot nz, your foremost source
of rural news on the webband on the radio, and
it is now six twenty one, So great questions, Andrew
to that guy from from the oil and gas industry.
If I were an investor, writes this texture, I would
be gun, shy and wary of political expediency. There is

(01:18:02):
no guaranteed future because the government could change and both
both the two sides of government are at absolutely diametrically
opposed positions, aren't they. So what's the use of actually
saying yes, you could do it now when they're looking
at you, going well, if the next if labor gets
back in, it's a no. They will do it. They
will invest if they feel that they're onto a sure thing.

(01:18:23):
But I don't think New Zealand's mineral resources that have
been untapped so far such a sure thing. So we'll
wait to see. And the only real answer we'll have
is when we finally have bipartisan support for oil and
gas exploration in this country, something you could tell from
the debate this week we do not have. It is
six twenty two.

Speaker 2 (01:18:43):
En crunching the numbers has been getting the results.

Speaker 1 (01:18:45):
It's Andrew dickens s width of the Business hour and
mass for trusted home insurance solutions and news talks, that'd be.

Speaker 3 (01:19:14):
There goes my hero food fighters. Hey he's ordinary. What
a great soul, what a great bands? Band without a drummer.
So the band has had trouble replacing the original drummer,
Taylor Hawkins, after his death in twenty twenty two. The
first guy that they got to replace it was Oliver
Oliver Hawkins who was Taylor's son, and he did a
very good job at the tribute concert and everyone went, oh,
wouldn't it be great if you know Taylor's son took over.

(01:19:37):
But now he's too young and too an experience. And
the problem with this band is it's led by a drummer.
Dave Grohl has a lot of thoughts about how the
drumming should go. So the guy they actually chose as
a guy called Josh Freeze, but he was there go
from the band via a phone call in May of
this year. Now, there was no risen reason given for
his firing except for a desire for the band to

(01:19:59):
go in a different direction. But I'll tell you what
the problem was with Josh Freese. He had his own ideas,
he had his own mind. He wouldn't do just what
Dave grohle would tell him to do because he's played
in a lot of other bands, so they decided he's
not right. Now, they've announced they're going to have a
new drummer, and the drummer's name is Ian Rubin. Now,

(01:20:19):
Ruben has been drumming for nine Inch Nails for the
past sixteen years, so I'm pretty sure he's going to
have his own mind about drumming too, Dave. He's also
the youngest ever inductee into the Rock and Roll Hall
of Fame at the age of thirty two. And I'm
going to play you a little bit of Ian Rubin drumming. Yeah, now,

(01:20:51):
I'll tell you the problem with that. Dave Grohl is
a four and the flour basic thumper of the drums,
like animal from the Muppets. Right, he wouldn't do any
of that. See Fancy Philly Philly Diggo did too many
notes at Mozart's sort of drumming and rubbish than Ian
Ribbin just did. So I reckon that Ian Rubin's got
barely little chance of surviving more than one t of it.
Will wait to see. The Food Fighters are celebrating their

(01:21:12):
thirtieth anniversary this year. They will released some new music
earlier this month. I hope that they come back because
they always put on a good show. Now, look, I've
got a bit more time. I can tell you some
more rock and roll news. It's just been announced that
David Gilmore from Pink Floyd will release a new concert
film from his shows at Rome Circus Maximus last year.
There's going to be a live album too. I'll tell
you the story behind that. I was in Rome when

(01:21:32):
David Gilmour was playing at the Circus Maximus. I went
to buy tickets. They were five hundred euro apop, so
instead I went a few blocks back and listened to
it echoing through the hills of Rome. Ah yeah, but
a very good show. I've seen a video from it.
Very good show, David Gilmour. It's going to be called
the luck and Strange to live at the Circus Maximus.

(01:21:55):
We got news is for next.

Speaker 9 (01:22:00):
Boom boom boom boom boom boom.

Speaker 2 (01:22:04):
Whether it's Macro micro or just playing economics.

Speaker 1 (01:22:07):
It's all on the Business Hour with Andrew Dickens and
Mez for Trusted Home Insurance Solutions, News Talks, Envy.

Speaker 3 (01:22:23):
Welcome back. It is twenty five to seven. I'm Andrew
Dickens takes three. Dave Grohl is a great drummer. You'll
have no arguments for me there. He's awesome, relatively untrained.
He had a drum teacher for a little while, but
then here for you know what this drum teacher, his
first drum teacher, taught Dave grohll to do to drum
holding the drum sticks at the handle part and not

(01:22:45):
at the drumming part, because he used to drum the
other way round. Oh that's interesting. But he has his
own style which is not classically trained. And I think
you'll find the new music that's coming out from Food
Fighters will have Dave as the drummer because Ian Rubin
hadn't joined at that stage. Ian Ruben is a session
musician who's been brought in for a tour. I would say,

(01:23:06):
and I don't know how long he's going to start
because Dave Grohl, as the textas says, is a great drummer.
Now to the alerts from Civil Defense. When I was
interviewing John Price just after five o'clock, the director of
Civil Defense, We're going along. He's man explaining to me
what a tsunami is in an earthquake is and it
was frustrating. Wanted to get to the actual issues of

(01:23:27):
the day. And then in the middle of it, he
casually says, we had evacuations in the Bay of Plenty,
and I went, who whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa?
Did we I haven't heard about evacuations in the bay?

Speaker 26 (01:23:36):
Penny?

Speaker 3 (01:23:37):
They did they actually move them out? Did it go
over the beaches? He said, no, there were some waves
on the beaches. We had evacuations. So the problem for
John Price is that we go and check these things.
So we phoned the Civil Defense and the Bay of Plenty.
Here's a confusion thing. You have to phone the Civil
Defense or NIMA, the National Emergency Management Authority or oh
who do you phone these? This is so many agencies. Anyway,

(01:23:59):
we phone civil Defense in Bayoplaitier said did you evacuate
people in the Bay of Planny? And they went, not
that we know of, but you really should or ask
the national organization. So I went, okay. So Producier Law
goes and phones the National Organization. Excuse me, did you
really evacuate people in the Bay of Plenty because of
the tsunami? And they said, we don't know. You'd have
to ask the Bay a penny people. We've already asked

(01:24:22):
the Bay of Pledty people and they said that they didn't.
So what do you want to say to that? And
they said, we'll just leave it at that. So John Price,
the Director of the Civil Defense, told me there was
an evacuation in the Bay of Plenty that his own
organization cannot confirm. Now does that give you trust in

(01:24:43):
the organization and management of civil defense when there's that
level of miscommunication? I guess I don't know. Or and
that the National Director of Civil Defense comes onto this
program and says something that nobody can confirm.

Speaker 9 (01:25:00):
Yucks.

Speaker 3 (01:25:01):
It is twenty two to seven, Dickens, more than halfway
through the year. It's been a pretty extraordinary year for
the market so far. Huge market uncertainty, the rise and
rise of AI and all sorts of stuff, the ongoing recession.
So anyway, let's talk about what investors should have learned
and what we might see in the second half. And
I'm joined now by Sam Dickey from Fisher Funds. Hello, Sam, Andrew,

(01:25:22):
Good evening. So how normal abnormal? Has this year been.

Speaker 2 (01:25:27):
Quite abnormal? I would say so.

Speaker 26 (01:25:30):
The biggest pickup in volatility and the sharpest correction in
equity since the depths of COVID, And for that brief
period after Donald's Liberation Day, sentiment and equity markets was
at its lowest EBB for quarter of a century. And
when you think about the three big drivers of the game,
so growth, inflation, and interest rates, it's been a fair

(01:25:51):
bit of abnormality there too. So inflation has continued to
behave well and it's slowed from sort of four and
a half percent globally to three and a half, but
interest have not played ball. So it's very very rare
for US medium and long term interest rates to be
higher now than they were at the start of the
central bank rate cutting cycle. And that's partly due to
fears that whatever tariffs are eventually implementabile drive up inflation.

(01:26:16):
It's partly because of Trump meddling with the independence of
the Federal Reserve independence and trying to force them to
cut rates early, and partly because people trust the US
a little less. And the other thing is, despite this
once in a generation trade war, the US bombing three
nuclear sites in Iran resulting in a twenty percent spike
in oil prices, and all those other abnormal events. Equity

(01:26:39):
markets have smashed for all tam highs again.

Speaker 3 (01:26:42):
Meanwhile, of course, the chair of the United States Federal Reserve,
Jerome Powell, has made a decision today to hold US
interest rates. So he's still concerned aboutenphation, isn't he and
the effect of the tarffs.

Speaker 26 (01:26:56):
Yeah, that's right, And he's not buckling to the political
pressure that Trump is putting on. I think Trump's called
him a loser and he's going to make another mistake.
I think he might have even called him stupid at
some stage, which is quite ironic actually, So, yeah, he
hasn't buckled depression. And that's critical because the independence of
a central bank from politics is absolutely critical to the

(01:27:16):
credibility of a nation. And the very fact that Trump
is meddling and there is a probability that Jerome Power
would buckle to that pressure is one of the reasons
why we see interest rates in the US sort of
abnormally high at this point in the cutting cycle. And
it's one of the reasons why I've seen such a
weak US dollar.

Speaker 3 (01:27:34):
And meanwhile, the nasid prices and equity prices, I know,
I know some people have made a fortune enough rocket
there because business continues. They got some contracts. So some
of our equities are soaring, others are sinking. It's all
over the shop, that's right.

Speaker 26 (01:27:49):
And you mentioned AI at the start, and that big
trade got a bit over its ski. He's a bit
bubbly late last year turned from boom to bus for
a while. You might remember we talked about it on
this program. The straw that broke the camel's back back
in January February was that that Chinese company Deep Seek
could allegedly build an AI model a fraction of the
cost of the US big tech guys, and in the

(01:28:10):
AI trade got a real kicking during the trade spat
with China.

Speaker 2 (01:28:14):
Now that dust has cleared.

Speaker 26 (01:28:16):
The Deep Seat claims were a little misleading, and corporates
around the world have really started clamoring for things like
AI agents, which is a use case for all this
investment in AI to answer calls or automotive simple processes.
And the AI bubble is fully formed again. And actually Microsoft,
speaking of equities that are doing well, Andrew reported earnings

(01:28:39):
a few hours ago and absolutely knocked it out of
the park. So their data center business is you're now
a huge business sort of one hundred billion dollar business
and growth is actually accelerating, so it's now growing forty
percent as companies around the world rushed to implement AI
and influence their AI models on is your okay?

Speaker 3 (01:29:01):
So what an interesting first half? So what can we
expect in the second half or is it expect the unexpected?

Speaker 26 (01:29:10):
Well, that's exactly what I would say, so that we
need to get used to this abnormality we seem to
have once in multi decade events every couple of years.
And I do think part of that is the global
economy is still finding its feet after the savage shock
of COVID believe it or not. Part of that is
the pace of technological change, especially with AI set to
disrupt businesses around the world. Part of that is probably

(01:29:31):
the political environment. But the lesson we did learn the
first half and before we got into the second half
is don't sweat the macro too much. More often than not,
I'd say you've probably got a better seventy five percent
hit rate on this is when extraordinary macro events happen,
the market overreacts and it's a great buying opportunity for
long term investors. As for the second half, it shouldn't

(01:29:54):
be ignored that sentiment has turned from that super bearish
sentiment we talked about in April to now showing signs
of irrational exuberance. And when you consider in the second half,
we have to navigate, among other things, final clarity on
Trump's tariff outcomes for the globe on August first. See
he doesn't give another grace period and economists think that

(01:30:15):
could still drag us or global growth by anywhere from
one to three percent. You shouldn't lose sight of the
fact that the water is certainly slotted to the bullish
end of the bathtub.

Speaker 3 (01:30:26):
WHOA, what a lovely turn of phrase. And on that
wonderful piece of English, we're going to leave you, Sam
Dicky from Fisher Funds, and thank you for your time today.
And on the topic of Donald Trump, by the way,
apparently he's come out and said it if I leave
the where did you say, if I leave the warehouse?
That would be funny, wouldn't it. But when he leaves
the warehouse he says he'd like to be Scotland's Do

(01:30:47):
I say warehouse?

Speaker 5 (01:30:47):
Sorry?

Speaker 3 (01:30:49):
When he leaves the White House he would like to
be Scotland's leader. How Scotland feels about that. We'll find
out in a few mothers time with end of Brady.
Now you want a piece of good news from September,
vintage light vehicles and private heavy homes motor homes will
only need to get a warrant of fitness or a
certificate of fitness once a year. So this is the
government's idea back in February. It's going to come in

(01:31:10):
by September. Vintage vehicles are cars and motorcycles over forty
years of age. Guess what. There are one hundred and
twenty eight thousand vintage vehicles in New Zealand. We like
our old cars and we look after them. There's also
thirty nine thousand, thirty nine thousand private motor homes registered
in New Zealand. So we like to go dicky touring

(01:31:31):
all around the country in our little mobile home and
enjoying ourselves and the evidence, according to Chris Bishops, says
that vintage vehicles and motor homes are half as likely
to have a fault that causes a crash, even adjusting
for how many of them are on the road. And
when it comes to passing a warrant of fitness inspection
a vintage car performs better than vehicles under forty years old,

(01:31:54):
because I know you love your old cars and you
look after them. Next, it is a quarter to seven.

Speaker 1 (01:32:02):
Everything from SMEs to the big corporates, the Business Hour
with Andrew Dickens and Mas for Trusted Home Insurance Solutions,
News talks'd be.

Speaker 3 (01:32:13):
It is twelve minutes to seven and to Brady in
just a few moments time. But his story We love
a man who tried to set fire to a police
station in a bid to impress a woman has been
jailed and during his sentencing, the judge offered some blunt advice.
Any woman who's impressed by you burning a police station,
is it worth impressing. So this is a man called
Zane Gordon from kaike Coe. There was a whole lot

(01:32:35):
of stuff that happened that one day in December twenty
twenty three, twenty twenty four. Should I say he went
to the kai Koe police station at three point fifteen
in the morning. He placed a just juice bottle that
had tissue paper coming out of the top. Then he
set the tissue alight. Then he exited the view of
the security camera which was watching him.

Speaker 9 (01:32:54):
The whole way.

Speaker 3 (01:32:55):
But guess what, the tissue went out, So Zaye went
back and let it again, this time running front of
the sit security camera.

Speaker 26 (01:33:02):
Again.

Speaker 3 (01:33:03):
This time he caught fire and it exploded across the doorway,
charring everything cosmetic damage to the front of the station.
Throughout the incident, Zane was recording on a phone and
talking to someone off camera. When arrested, he explained, it's
not a direct to take on police. I'm just trying
to impress the girl, the same girl he tried to
strangle earlier, and he's gone to jail er. Brady joins me,

(01:33:26):
now from the UK, boy, I bit you wish you
had stories.

Speaker 21 (01:33:29):
Like that Ender.

Speaker 20 (01:33:30):
I'm just lifting my job off the floor. Old Zay
doesn't sound the sharpest till in the box or the prison.

Speaker 8 (01:33:36):
No.

Speaker 3 (01:33:37):
Now, speaking of which, Donald Trump says when he leaves
the White House, I've said if he leaves the White House,
But when he leaves the White House, he'd like to
be Scotland's leader. So tell me how does Scotland feel
about that?

Speaker 20 (01:33:50):
As you can imagine, people are laughing, people are shocked.
All I would say is people were laughing at this guy.
Eight nine years ago when he was running for president
and look how that panned out. So do not underestimate
Donald Trump at your peril. He's had a very good
few days. So he had a long weekend, four days
in Scotland basically playing golf on his golf courses. He

(01:34:11):
came over here like he was the Prime minister. He
made Starmer look like a boy in the yard. In
his own backyard. Trump dominated everything. And we now find
out that before leaving, he recorded an episode of a
podcast and he was asked in the podcast about, you know,
plans going forward, and he said, Scotland's a great country.
They are fine people. He then said that there is

(01:34:33):
no crime in Scotland, and hewhere in Scotland there is
no crime, so clearly there's probably no crime at his
golf courses because you've got to be mega rich, an
elite to play there. But he said it's very different
to the United States. And he said, look, you know,
when I leave the White House, I reckon I could
be first minister here. I could do a job and

(01:34:54):
he would qualify. He could get Scottish citizenship in a
UK passport through his late mother who was born in Scotland.
He has a lot of money invested up there. So
as outlandish as this is the world we live in,
anything is possible.

Speaker 3 (01:35:08):
This is true. This is true. Though, I would suggest
we should take him down to Barrel Leans in Glasgow
for a night out and see see if he thinks
he's no crimeing down there.

Speaker 20 (01:35:16):
About two am in the morning, the best of look.

Speaker 3 (01:35:18):
That, yeah, and a lot of coverage of him playing
golf and a lot of people going, oh, look at
that terrible strike. Now I watched it, and frankly, for
men a seventy nine he wasn't half bed. However, I
believe his clubs are too short for him. But because
he's stooping, well, that might just be his posture. Whatever,
He's a good golf player for seventy nine. Now is
there going to be a third runway at Heathrow?

Speaker 20 (01:35:41):
So Keir Starmer will today announce plans for a third
runway at London Heathrow Airport, and he will say that
he wants to see spades in the ground, digging and working.
Before the year twenty thirty. They've been talking about this
Andrew here for half a century. Third runway at Heathrow.
I would say there is more chance of me playing
for the All Blacks by twenty thirty. Quite frankly, this

(01:36:05):
is not going to happen. There will be objections. You
will see environmentalists, you will see local residents who don't
want their villages flattened to make way for a third
runway at Hethrow. But nevertheless, Starmer says the country needs growth.
I would point him towards yesterday's incident with air traffic
control which went down due to a glitch. Hundreds of
flights canceled or delayed, thousands of people stuck in airports for.

Speaker 3 (01:36:28):
A long time.

Speaker 20 (01:36:29):
They can't cope with the system as it is, never
mind more flights.

Speaker 3 (01:36:33):
I had the idea of developing Luton Airport and also
developing Stentstead, which was back in the nineties so that's
the newest airport, and also expending London City Airport. I
thought the whole point about that was to take pressure
off Heathrow so we didn't have to have at the runway.

Speaker 6 (01:36:49):
Yeah.

Speaker 20 (01:36:49):
Look, the smart thing would be to improve regional airports
away from the London area and you know, put more
money into Birmingham, Manchester, Newcastle, you know, going forward. But
they seem to be obsessed with Heathrow and that's because
it's a hub airport. Big business likes getting into the
city quick. They can't do anything with London City Airport.

(01:37:10):
It's a very strange location. Yeah, but you're right, you
know they need to think about this. But as I say,
you will see me playing rugby for the All Black Spintro.

Speaker 2 (01:37:18):
This happens.

Speaker 3 (01:37:19):
And now I used to live in Hounslow right underneath
the flight path that I can tell you it was
a night nurse night web. Absolutely. Now population is soaring
in the UK because of migration, and of course this
is a huge national talking point because a lot of
those migrants are refugees from goodness, not of where, and
this escapees from Eastern Europe and people complain that they
are changing the national character.

Speaker 20 (01:37:41):
Yes, this is a big, big problem. This is the
number one priority for Starmer to sort out in the
next four years if he wants to stand any chance
of being re elected. So the figures today we have
the last twelve months there's been an increase of seven
hundred and seven thousand people in the UK census in
terms of how many people are coming here and living here.

(01:38:02):
And you know you're taking away all the numbers of
people who've departed the UK, Brits who've emigrated, people who've died,
babies being born. The net figure is the population in
England and Wales has gone up by seven hundred and
seven thousand people. Now that is huge pressure on resources, infrastructure, schools, hospitals, doctors,

(01:38:22):
clinics and it's starting to tell. I mean I travel
the country every day, every week and you're hearing from
people who are very, very annoyed about immigration here and
Nigel Farage is lapping this up and his poll rating
keeps going up.

Speaker 9 (01:38:38):
What do they call it?

Speaker 3 (01:38:39):
The great replacement theory? All right, Inton Brady, I think
you for your time. It is now six minutes to seven.

Speaker 1 (01:38:50):
It's the hithertople See Alan Drive Full Show podcast on
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Speaker 3 (01:38:58):
It takes from clear make Scotland Great Again in capitals
with exclamation marks, nice texts and to play me out
what do you got?

Speaker 27 (01:39:06):
Tech took may Kesha to play us out tonight, Andrew.
She is going to be touring Australia in February next year,
doing Brisbane, Melbourne, Adelaide and Perth. And she's got like
two days in between the dates there, so plenty of
opportunity to like sneak a spark arena or you know what,
apolloproject stadium showing there as well.

Speaker 3 (01:39:23):
Surely yeah you mean Wolfbrook.

Speaker 27 (01:39:26):
Well you're right, it would be wolf breaking. They we're
busy getting the other one ready for and Sharon I.

Speaker 3 (01:39:32):
Can even keep up. And I don't think she's a
twenty five thousand crowd person. But anyway, thank you a
bit of Keisha for you. My thanks to producer Laura
for button push, a twiddler man and editing boy as
my name is Andrew Dickens. Hopefully Heather is back tomorrow.
Thank you for your company today, See you tomorrow maybe
I don't know.

Speaker 1 (01:40:07):
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