Full Show Podcast: 04 August 2025

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Speaker 1 (00:02):
Stigging through the spin ben to find the real story.
Ory it's hither duplessy on drive with one New Zealand
let's get connected news talks that'd be thank.

Speaker 2 (00:14):
You, Good afternoon, Welcome to the show coming out today.
The Education Minister Erica Stanford on scrapping NCEEA and what
the kids will get instead. Jared Savage, our Herald reporter,
with the details on Jeva Mcskimmick's Egyptian objectionable pawn almost
kind of insane, and Nichola Willi's finance minister with us
after six Heather Duplicy Allen, Wheuz you can't accuse Erica
Stamford of mucking around, can you? NCIA is gone marks

(00:37):
out of one hundred to back grades from A to E,
A back needing to pass full subjects at least in
order to get the qualification is back. Now, how long
have we been talking about the need to do this,
About the fact that NCAA is rubbish, that it's being gained,
that it's not respected by employers, that it's not understood
by parents. How long have we talked about this? And
then within eighteen months of Erica Stanford taking over the

(00:58):
education portfolio, the changes are made. This is absolutely, by
the way, the right thing to do. Nowhere in none
of the assessments of what's happening at NCA level one,
two or three do you hear anyone say, hey, you
know what, this is a good system. It's always criticism.
The era I had a look at NCAA level one
last year. They found such big problems so that they

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recommended getting rid of it. The NZQA last year found
only half of Year twelve students actually finished three full subjects.
They didn't even get to do three full subjects, still
somehow managed to pass the NCEEA. Nz CER found that
learning was not the focus of school at nce A
level more level anymore assessment was. The OECD two years

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ago found what we always know is going on lately,
our ability to read write in maths was slipping at
it now fall and below the OECD average. The NZQA
insights paper found a huge number of kids got level
three because it's easy, but ue the old equivalent couldn't
get it because it's not easy. Now none of this
is news to us, right. Some of these reports actually

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date back to twenty eighteen, seven years ago. Yet NCEEA
hasn't been scrapped until now. Now this is brave, because
any change this beek is brave. But especially it's brave
right now at a time when secondary school teachers are
already dealing with a lot. They have a curriculum refresh
on the go, they've got new compulsory exams already. Now
they've got this. They are busy, and they're about to
get busier. And while I feel for them, and I do,

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our kids are too important and their education is too
important to muck around together.

Speaker 3 (02:28):
Do for ce Ellen.

Speaker 2 (02:33):
So Eric is going to be in the studio with
us after five. I want to hear what you think.
Nine two ninety two is the text number. Standard text
fees apply onto something else altogether. North Shore Hospital, this
place has now got a ward for people who shouldn't
be in hospital. These are people who should be going
to age care or some other lower level care facilities,
but they can't. So the hospitals sent a set up
a twenty bed ward in May. Sarah Dalton is the

(02:55):
executive director of the Association of Salaried Medical Specialists and
with us, Hey.

Speaker 4 (02:58):
Sarah, hey, hether, how are you doing.

Speaker 2 (03:01):
I'm very well, thank you. Why have these people got
nowhere to go.

Speaker 4 (03:05):
It's a really good question, isn't it. But I think
it speaks to our failure to properly resource community based
care support in the home and particularly age residential care.
You know, they're a big part of the health package.
We shouldn't just think about hospitals when we think about
access to healthcare.

Speaker 2 (03:20):
And are these people unable to go there because they
can't afford it or because there's simply no space to
accept them into.

Speaker 4 (03:26):
Look, I don't know about the details of the exact,
you know, those that particular cohort of people, but I
think it's either that they can't afford private aged residential care.
There isn't public aged residential care in place. I mean
probably I don't know if it would be not achieved
or a d, but they would probably be the grades
that we would give the government on their approach to
elder care currently.

Speaker 2 (03:46):
Oh why because not enough funding?

Speaker 3 (03:49):
Yeah?

Speaker 4 (03:49):
Yeah, absolutely. And of course it's more expensive to keep
people in hospital than it is to care for them
in the community, particularly when they're going to be worse
off health wise by staying in hospital when they're no
longer medically required to be there.

Speaker 2 (04:04):
Now in some cases, these people need rehab apparently and
are unable to get what are we talking about? Are
we talking like the people who've hurt their backs or
people with strokes or what.

Speaker 5 (04:14):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (04:15):
Also, if you've been in hospital, in a hospital bid
for a long time, particularly if you're older, you just
need help getting mobile again. So rehab can be It's
occupational therapy, it's physiotherapy. It's making sure you can safely
move about in your normal day to day environment. You
can dress yourself, you can feed yourself. You know, you're
doing the exercises that you need to do if you've
had an operation and you need to be back and

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going again.

Speaker 2 (04:37):
Now, the problem is this has obviously only been around
since May, right, so we're only a few months into it.
But I would say that this is probably more likely
to be permanent than temporary. What do you think I
fear that that is the case.

Speaker 4 (04:50):
I mean, I think it's also ironic that I believe
that they are in Tortataho, Maty, which was the new
hospital build, which was supposed to be the flagship elective
services hospital building in Auckland, where you know, the elective
surgical flow could be pushed through for the region, and
now it's already full of a ward full of patients
who not only don't need an operation, but they don't

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need to be in hospital. So I just think it
really speaks to where the government needs to look more
holistically at our health system. These people won't be captured
by any of the targets that are currently dominating the
government's thinking about healthcare either.

Speaker 2 (05:27):
Yeah. I mean what you need is a minister like
Erica Stanford. Don't you come in and change things up?

Speaker 4 (05:32):
Well, we absolutely need to have some better conversations and
some reasons to go with because there's lots of people
out there that know what are the best things for
these people. The clinicians know what they need. In many cases,
there aren't the clinicians in place, there aunt the facilities
in place. We really need to look to this, particularly
in a large urban setting. You can understand it maybe
happening in a smaller rural or regional area, but in

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our largest city it's ridiculous.

Speaker 2 (05:57):
Yeah, Sarah, thanks very much, appreciate it. Sarah Doulton of
Salary Medical Specialists, Executive Director. She won't, she won't going
to go there. Ah, she know you can't be saying that,
and the next minute, Golden bulls, your Health minister turns
up and goes up. You pecked derekas and nah, here
there is Erica the next female prime Minister. Probably not,

(06:17):
And I'll come back to that and just attack. Actually
it's funny that you should ask that, but I'll come
back to that. So I need to tell you, well,
remember I told you it was probably about this time
a few weeks a guy, I said, prominent New Zealander.
Keep your eye on that. Can't tell you who it
is yet court suppression, but it's somebody you want to
know about. This is serious, that prominent New Zealand has
just been unmasked today. It's Steven mcskimming, who is facing

(06:40):
reasonably by the way, former Deputy police commissioner. If you're like,
who is she talking about? Remember how he quit all
of a sudden, Well, this is why he quit, because
he has been charged with having objectionable material on computers
that include child exploitation and best Reality, which is a
special kind of gross, isn't it. So anyway, he's been

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suppressed until now. His name has been suppressed in the
details of the charges have been suppressed, but they lifted
the charges today. So everybody can report on this. Now
we'll have a chat to Jared's Savage. Our Herald reporter
will bear us at after five o'clock. It's fourteen past four.

Speaker 1 (07:14):
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Speaker 2 (07:21):
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Speaker 1 (07:29):
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Speaker 2 (07:35):
Jason pine Sports hosters with us at Piney. Hello, Heather,
all right, you got the All Black squad for the
Rugby Championship. What do you think?

Speaker 6 (07:41):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (07:41):
I like it.

Speaker 7 (07:41):
I like it. No real surprises, there's such no bolters.
I think we were curious to see how they'd cover
the half back injury problems that have befallen them. No,
Noah Hope of no Cam royguard for the Argentina test.
So income Finlay Christy we know about him, experienced player.
And Kyle Preeston, who would be making his All Blacks
debut if he takes to the field. Simon Parker is

(08:02):
in the team. I think this is a popular inclusion.
He's a big, raw boned, loose forward out of Northland
and the Chiefs. I think a lot of people are
very pleased to see that. And yeah, quite if you
guys have been named as injury cover. As we know
either there are a few niggles in the side. Hopefully,
hopefully most of those who are injured should be back
by the end of the Rugby Championship, if not for

(08:24):
the last couple of games of it.

Speaker 2 (08:26):
All right, what about the Warriors?

Speaker 7 (08:28):
What about the Warriors. I'm looking at the table. They're fourth,
They're a point ahead of the Panthers.

Speaker 8 (08:33):
Now.

Speaker 7 (08:33):
They've been in the top four since round six. We're
about to go into round twenty three, so they've been
there for a large part of the season. If they
were to lose to the Bulldogs on Saturday night in
Canterbury that's Cannaby Bulldogs Country, of course, they would fall
probably out of the top four and could I've worked
out go as low as seventh if the three teams

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below them all win Panthers, Broncos, Sharks. The injuries are
really rarely hurting this side either. I just hope we
get a few back for the weekend and this team
can get a bit of a late season renaissance going
and hang around in the top four. It is in
their hands, but it's a difficult road home for them.

Speaker 2 (09:11):
So I watched most of the game and then I
just couldn't. I couldn't hack the last bit, So I
went I went to sleep, and the Warriors were leading.
Oh no, And I thought to myself as I headed off,
I was like, now they're going to lose. I don't
know what.

Speaker 5 (09:25):
I think.

Speaker 2 (09:25):
It was just that it wasn't convincing, was it.

Speaker 7 (09:27):
Well, they you're right, they didn't stretch out. They were
behind sixteen six, got back and lead, and so.

Speaker 2 (09:32):
That was good.

Speaker 7 (09:33):
But against twelve players, they you know, had a dolphin's
got a man in the bin at the end. They yeah,
they'll look back at it as two points drops, but
it happened. They look, I just think they were a
bit passive at the end. They just didn't defend with
aggression and commitment. And even Andrew Webster afterwards said, look,
even he looked out for the last couple of sets
of six that they were defending and he didn't like

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the body language of his team out there, so that
speaks has kind of shoulders. I don't know what it says.
I'm not sure. I really don't know, Piney.

Speaker 2 (10:03):
Is this not do you know what? Can they not
get Gilbert and Oka over and just have a good session.
Do they have head people at the Warriors because it
feels like this? Or they need new head people? Don't
they because it's all in their head?

Speaker 7 (10:15):
I take them into plies back I think before a
heavy person. But I know what you're saying.

Speaker 2 (10:19):
Yeah, but the body language day that tells you everything. Okay,
Piney really appreciate It's Jason pine' spports talk Hoost will
be back at seven o'clock this evening. You're on news
talk Z. But hey, do you remember last week how
we were talking about the fact that it was becoming
really I mean, I think we kind of basically confirmed it,
didn't we that Netball New Zealand wasn't being paid as
is normally the case to have the the you know,

(10:39):
being paid for the broadcasts. Right, Nobody paid Netball New
Zealand in order to screen Netball New Zealand on their
platform like a Sky or a TV in Z instead.
What happened is Netball New Zealand paid TV and Z
to get the thing on Telly because otherwise it wasn't
going to end up on Telly. We now know roughly
what the cost is. Apparently it's being reported and it's
between six hundred thousand and seven hundred thousand to get

(11:01):
the net Bull screened on TVNZ this season. That that
is the production costs.

Speaker 9 (11:05):
It's fair.

Speaker 2 (11:06):
That's a fair whack of change. And spare a thought.
Spare a thought for the players because they are ultimately
the ones who are going to be affected here, Heather,
because they're gonna have to find part dumb jobs. Hither
that mother who stuck her toddler in a suitcase should
be locked? What the hell is wrong with people?

Speaker 10 (11:22):
Now?

Speaker 2 (11:23):
This is before the courts, so bear in mind we
have to wait for guilts to be established established. But
the details are, if you haven't caught up on this,
that a woman's been charged for putting a two year
old girl in a suitcase in the luggage compartment of
an intercity bus. She's apparently recently returned from Australia. No
surprise charge sheet lists no occupation baby was found because

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the driver saw the bag move opened the thing up
in here as a two year old girl wearing only
a nappy hot but thankfully otherwise. Okay, the weirdest thing
about it is that children you don't have. That displows
my mind. You do not have to pay to put
a two year old on an intercity bus. They can
be on there for free, as long as they sit

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on your lap. People like that. If guilt is established,
should simply have the child taken away immediately, shouldn't they?
Because that's one of the most bizarre decisions. If that
is found to be the case. You said, I'm here
to my bets here hard But if this is found
to be proved, what the actual hell for twenty two?

Speaker 3 (12:25):
Getting the facts, discarding the fluff.

Speaker 1 (12:27):
It's Heather duplicy Ellen drive with one New Zealand let's
get connected news talks.

Speaker 3 (12:33):
That'd be Heather.

Speaker 2 (12:34):
I bet you a bottle of twenty twenty craggy Range
Soul Peno Noir that Erica is our next prime minister.
Muzzle take you up on that. Bet Erica is not
going to be the next prime minister. As much as
I rate her, I don't think she will. But and
let me run you through this from start to finish chronologically,
and we'll end with Erica. On Saturday, Thomas Coglan, The
Herald's political editor, wrote a piece about basically the need

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for the government to convince us that all of their
stuff on their economy is working, and how we're quite
clearly not convinced. This is what Thomas said. If the
economy continues to worsen and National's polling materializes into gloomy
party vote numbers, don't entirely rule out a leadership change.
A change is not on, you'd be a fool to
put money on it, but you'd also be a fool

(13:18):
to bet against it. There is no real affection for
Luxen in the caucus room, and National has little patience
for underperformance, particularly from its leaders. Now, I agree with
Thomas that I'm not hearing anything about the fact that
a change is on. There's no chat about rolling Luxen.
But he's right. The MPs in the National Party do
not rate Luxen, so there is a problem there. So
even though it's not happening, it could happen, and I think,

(13:41):
unfortunately for Chris Luxen, now that you've got somebody like
the Herald's political editor writing about it. It kind of
gives people ideas and it starts to become more likely
than unlikely. Do you know what I'm saying? Anyway, on
then yesterday, fast forward to that was Saturday, Fast forward
to yesterday Sunday, and now you've got Andrea Vance at
the Post and Sunday Star Times writing about this as well,
not necessarily from the same perspective, but she's starting to

(14:03):
write about whether Erica Stanford is potential leadership material. Politicos
whisper that she has leadership material potential brother Luxe and
handed her education a cornerstone campaign issue in a portfolio
he considered his signature project. But that comes with pressure.
Her own colleagues aren't always fans. She's ambitious, risable and
backed by Luxeon. In that combination really goes unpunished in

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the National Party.

Speaker 5 (14:25):
So there you go.

Speaker 2 (14:25):
I don't think that she is going to be the
answer because she is not well liked by the looks
of things by her caucus colleagues are this So the
question is who takes over when it finally does get
to this point in some year's time. Who do you
think if it's not Erica Stanford who twenty seven past four. Ever,
if you take Chris Luxen at his word and assume
that he isn't managing expectations, then it sounds like he

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thinks We're not going to be able to change Donald
Trump's mind on those tariffs.

Speaker 11 (14:51):
Yeah, I think it's pretty unlikely. Present's pretty fixed in
his firm views. But we still need to have dialogue
and a relationship with the American administration. But yet I
want to sy expectations, right.

Speaker 2 (15:01):
So we're sending over the guy to Washington who was
like the James Bond of trade negotiations. He's going over
there to try to sort it out, but apparently he's
going to achieve nothing. But we'll have a chat to
Nikolauls after six o'clock when she's with us, and just
see how she rates the chances if she is as
pessimistic as the Prime minister on her headline's the next newske.

Speaker 3 (15:18):
Fifty exkive what pudding? The challenging questions to the people.

Speaker 1 (15:30):
At the heart of the story, it's hither duplicy Ellen
drive with one New Zealand let's get connected the news
talks they'd be.

Speaker 2 (15:45):
Erica is not going to run into trouble with the
educators and meeting a lot of texts of people who
actually educate the kids who are stoked about what's going
on with NCEEA. Hither, I'm a high school math teacher.
I'm so glad. Yes, there's a lot of the moment,
but scrapping it is so much better than going through
the NCAA as they've made recently. A lot of kids
are also very happy with this. Hither, I love it.
I'm a professor in university. We've been watering down university

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curriculum as the school leavers preparation can't cope with the
university level curriculum. The NCAA has knock on effects so
that the go are absolutely fantastic. Erica Stamford, as I
say said earlier with us after five o'clock and Jared Savage,
it's going to run us through what was on jem
Mcskimmings Computers twenty four away from five.

Speaker 3 (16:23):
It's the world wires on News Talks, Eddy Drive.

Speaker 2 (16:27):
The Palestinian Red Crescent has accused Israel of attacking its
gaza strip HQ and killing one worker there. The IDF
says it is investigating. Food is also still a problem
in the Gaza strip. This woman's children are starving. Before
the war, their health was accident, they were provided with
special meals, fruits, vegetables and dairy products.

Speaker 3 (16:46):
Now all these things are unavailable.

Speaker 2 (16:49):
Donald Trump says he's all over it.

Speaker 12 (16:51):
We want Israel to get a fat We're giving some
pretty big contributions basically to purchase food so other people
can be fed. We don't want people going hungry, and
we don't want people to start.

Speaker 2 (17:05):
In Australia, thousands of people have marched over the Sydney
Harbor Bridge to call for an end to the war.
Here's the Deputy Prime Minister, Richard Marleth.

Speaker 13 (17:12):
The marches that we saw yesterday, I think our reflection
of so many people in our community being very moved
by what they see and seeking this end as well.

Speaker 2 (17:25):
And finally for Cow, the chocolate Labrador has come out
on top of the World Dogs Surfing Championships. So the
tournament was held at Pacifica Beach in California over the weekend.
The dogs were judged on their balance, their tricks and
how long they could actually stay on the board, and
Cow was crowned overall winner after a strong performance in

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the solo and then in the stand up, paddle board
and Human Assistant.

Speaker 1 (17:50):
Categories, International Correspondence with Ends and Eye Insurance, Peace of
Mind for New Zealand.

Speaker 2 (17:55):
Business Oliver Peterson six PR PERF Live Presenters with us. Hey,
Heather right is Victorian nuts.

Speaker 14 (18:05):
Of course, that's why they're over there, you know, that's
that little part of Australia we wouldn't like to kind
of talk about from time to time. But yes, the Premier,
justinto Allen, wants to enshrine in law that workers can
have the legal protection to stay at home or work
from home two days per week, which is obviously quite bizarre.
This is going to be on the public service. This

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is about people working in private enterprise who would have
in Victoria the right to turn around to their boss
and say, but the Premier told me I could be
at home. I don't need to come into the office.

Speaker 3 (18:35):
Now.

Speaker 14 (18:36):
Business groups have hit out at this, saying, one, there's
already a lot of relationships in place in various industries
for this. We understand this flexibility now. It happened through
the COVID years and that's continuing. But two they're also
arguing that this is going to kill and decimate what
we know is like the CBD of Melbourne as an example.
Think of all those coffee shops which are going to

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go bust, Think of all of those cafes, those restaurants,
the hustle and bustle the sea.

Speaker 2 (19:00):
It just seems as though there's.

Speaker 14 (19:02):
A myriad of problems in Victoria at the moments. They
have got crime out of control while Australia is still
powering ahead. Their housing crisis is getting worse, more so
than it is in any other parts of this country.
And every now and then someone in the Victorian government,
whether it's former Premier Daniel and Wrew's now Premier just
Indo Allen says, I don't.

Speaker 2 (19:22):
Worry about what's going on over there.

Speaker 14 (19:23):
Here's another idea, like a bright spark. You can all
stay at home for two days a week and work
from home so they can stay in power for as
long as the Labor Party of Victoria wants to be there.

Speaker 2 (19:33):
So do you? I mean, yeah, I haven't thought of
it like that. Like this is going to happen because
most punters are workers and are they eve going to
love this? Aren't they?

Speaker 5 (19:41):
They are?

Speaker 14 (19:42):
And you know Victoria is really becoming you know, the
welfare state, the state that employs everybody in the public service.

Speaker 15 (19:48):
So they're going to go with this and say, oh,
is that.

Speaker 2 (19:49):
A good forage?

Speaker 8 (19:50):
You know, you just join us.

Speaker 2 (19:52):
I don't like this.

Speaker 14 (19:53):
I really don't like this, this idea that you are
going to be telling a private enterprise how they operate.

Speaker 2 (20:00):
I mean, I look at the jobs that we all
do in the media. It takes about the media, but
look at the physios. Look at the people who.

Speaker 14 (20:05):
Are building houses. They can't say no, I'm a brickie.
I'm going to work from home two days a week.

Speaker 3 (20:09):
That house won't get built.

Speaker 2 (20:12):
No exactly. I mean, they're going to have to be
so many carve outs, and I just wonder if that's
the savior here, is that they do so many exemptions
that actually any business can manage to get around it.
You'd have to have your fingers crossed for it. And
that is basically a hollow announcement. Listen, tell me what's
going on with the flooding in New South Wales.

Speaker 14 (20:28):
Well, the Warrigamber Dam's about to burst, and unfortunately haven't
we heard that time and time again in recent years.
They've got to change something here though, because stored water
cannot be released. The Warrigamber Dam is operated as a
water security dam, so even if it's reaching capacity, they
can't get rid of it, which I just find bizarre.
Wouldn't you flush it away before you knew there was
going to be flooding. The real issue though, is we've

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got places like Campsey Smith's Lake Armadale where they have
been already told to evacuate because of flooding, and we've
already got over fourteen thousand homes and businesses without power. Again,
it's unupport story we keep hearing about in northern New
South Wales just been inundated with rain for days and
days and days. This side of the country where I
am in Perth, we've had a lot of rain as well.

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It is winter. It doesn't come as a surprise, but
you really feel for these communities which have been flat
affected almost on an annual basis. At the moment, Heather,
we hope everybody's okay.

Speaker 2 (21:18):
Hey, listen, tell me about this foot and mouth vaccine.

Speaker 4 (21:20):
Is this for real?

Speaker 3 (21:21):
Absolutely?

Speaker 14 (21:22):
It is for real and it's going to be developed
here in Australia's an mrina vaccine to protect our cows
against foot and mouth disease comes obviously after we have
enabled a change in the laws where we can import
American beef and then where some concerns over foot and
mouth disease. It's something that obviously Australia takes very seriously
on know New Zealand does too biosecurity measures in regards

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to protecting particularly our agriculture industries. So this is going
to be developed locally in a new South Wales facility
and that'll hopefully be rolled out as soon as possible
to protect our cows from foot and mouth, which is a.

Speaker 2 (21:56):
Good step in agriculture and biosecurity. You should use that
voice more often. I liked it. Hey, thanks very much.
I appreciate it. Olli Peterson six, pur Perth Life presenter. Hey,
can I tell you what I read about this center?
Allan announcement over the weekend. This is the one where
people can stay home work from I think she described
it as a right that you should be able to
work from home two days out of five, which is

(22:18):
completely nuts. And then she said, you know, all the
latest evidence suggests it's a good thing. We'll actually know
all the latest evidence is quite the contrary. But whatever
But the thing that really got my goat and gets
my goat every single time is when they say this,
the move could save the average worker so many dollars
a week, cut congestion on roads, and keep more women
in the workforce. Now, hang on a tack. Let's just

(22:41):
unpick this for as a woman, I object to this.
Let's unpick this for attack. Why are we making women
stay at home two days a week in order to
stay in the workforce, Because what Jacinta's doing is she's going, oh, listen,
we know it's the women at home who do the
dishes and do the laundry and vacuum and mop and
pack away everything and make the kids' beds, and you know, like,

(23:04):
well the list never ends, right, So what they're doing
is going, listen, if the women and the child care
and take the children to the doctor, I'm we just
go on, right. So what they're doing is they're saying,
let the women stay at home because then they can
do all of those things while also working. Actually, no,
that's not what I want for my life, thanks very much.
I don't want to be doing that at home and
then also going to work. That's not fair. Well, it's

(23:26):
some trenching gender roles. There aren't they. So when they
tell you that they're all woky and stuff and trying
to fight for women, look at that just keeping the
women in the kitchen. There aren't they. Seventeen away from
five Politics with centrics Credit, check your customers and get payment.
Certady right, Barrisoper, Senior political correspondence with US Hey, Barry Afternoon.
Heather Erica sets Stamford smashing it out of the park.

(23:48):
I mean, she's not stopping.

Speaker 10 (23:50):
This is a significant, certainly a significant change in education.
I mean, the last time there was one as big
as this was back in two thousand and two, which
was when they brought in the NCO and the minister
then was none other than our old favorite Treva Mallard
who played Barry Manilow to the protests down at Parliament
during COVID. So yeah, we can blame him for that,

(24:13):
along with a number of other things. But look, certainly
n CEA was indeterminate. For certainly, for employers didn't quite
understand the past passes that were given assessed and then
they could be traded off with other subjects.

Speaker 2 (24:33):
To any parent or a lot of students. Most of
the honest students, and they will tell you the kids
are gaming it. They gamed it. Parents will tell you
how their children are gaming it. One of our colleagues
has a son who gamed it, so she pulled her
daughter out of and put her daughter in Cambridge.

Speaker 3 (24:48):
Yeah, was up the daughter.

Speaker 10 (24:49):
You know, this essentially is going back to what it
was in the olden days when I was at school
and we had school certificate and university entrance and you
know five subjects, you had past four. But it's exactly
the same as what you've got to do here. Get
at least fifty percent in each subject. At least you've
got a good yardstick for employers to look at and say,

(25:10):
have they got school? See, have they got yu wei?
What were their past marks? What were their strong points?
What were the weak points? You know, we can't have
this namby Pamby stand in education where you know, we
don't like winners and losers. We just like winners.

Speaker 2 (25:24):
Yeah, well we're just like a were just like people
who turn up apparently, Yeah, I see those complaints against
Ozzie Malcolm have been basically substantiated by the cop seven Babe.

Speaker 10 (25:34):
Well, yes, these were allegations that were made between well,
they curved between allegedly between nineteen ninety two and twenty eighteen.
And I've got to say for people like me who
knew Ossy Malcolm very well when he was in parliament,
he was out of parliament nineteen eighty four with a
snap election. He was the immigration minister interestingly that allowed

(25:56):
the spring Box to come into this country. He issued
the visas and he was a big supporter of Rob Muldoon.
But look, he's an extraordinarily likable bloke. But clearly you
know this is a terrible cloud that now hangs over him.
He died last September and you know allegations then for
surfaced and now they've done a review of it and

(26:18):
released under the Official Information Act. We see that. Look,
these charges, if they were now looked at yet again,
would likely have stood up.

Speaker 2 (26:27):
Hey is Winston Peters going to the Cox for the speech.

Speaker 3 (26:30):
No he's not.

Speaker 10 (26:30):
He was here today and this was sixty years today
since they signed off the free Association with the Cork Islands.
That's where Cork Islanders get New Zealand passports New Zealand citizenship.
So it was in nineteen sixty five that this was
signed off and Winston Peters was. You know, he's still

(26:54):
obviously annoyed at the Cox and their Prime minister for
doing that deal with China, because as part of the
Free Association agreement, the agreement is that they should consult
regularly with New Zealand on issues like this, and this
was a fairly comprehensive agreement that the Cork Islands made

(27:16):
with China. And we're still in the dark and Winston
Peters is withholding money from the Cork Islands and there's
no indication at the moment when that money will be restored.
But the Prime Minister there, Mark Brown, he's not telling
us anything. He hasn't made any public statement. So I
think whilst they're in that situation, there will be a
lot of Cork Islanders. I think that'll be quite upset

(27:38):
about this.

Speaker 2 (27:39):
This plea to understand Chris Luxe's humanity sounds a little desperate,
doesn't it.

Speaker 10 (27:44):
Well you know this, Sylvia Wood made it at the
party's annual conference over the weekend. Yeah, well, it's probably
her pointing out a side of Chris lux And that
a lot of people don't see. He's seen as a business.

Speaker 2 (27:57):
Does that even mean his humanity?

Speaker 10 (28:00):
What she's talking about clearly, is that we see that
the hard side of Chris Luxon and there is a
softer side.

Speaker 2 (28:08):
Hard side, it's not hard enough. Well do you see
a wishy washy in the middle.

Speaker 10 (28:13):
Well, no, some would say that. But look, I think
if you look at the A and Z chief economists,
the Group A and JED and Z chief economist Richard
yet Singer, he did a look at the New Zealand
economy and believes that we're even with that fifteen percent
terror from the United States, we will be looking much
better next year. And that'll be the hope, obviously of

(28:34):
Chris Luxon. The point that Sylvia Wood was making is
that look, look beyond what you see at the moment,
which is a hard line business sort of approach to politics,
and then you'll see another side and his popularity will increase.
And I actually happen to agree with her. I think
being Prime Minister in this period, in the last eighteen

(28:55):
months has been an appalling situation, very tough to be in,
and you know, I think, like you said, they should
have been tougher and they should have been in a
number of areas. But I think you're seeing, you know,
the point that you singer made was that in sorry
interest rates when they're low, they encourage business and they

(29:16):
put a new injection into the economy. And that's what
we hopefully will see the proceeds of next year.

Speaker 2 (29:22):
Barry, thank you appreciate it. Barry Soper, senior political correspondent
here that my pick for the next National Party leader
is Chris Bishop. So Barry shaking his head. I just
want you to know Chris because he's just like, why
are people doing this to Chris Luxon, He's articulate, decisive, intelligent,
quick off the mark. Thank you for that. Eight Away
from five.

Speaker 1 (29:42):
Putting the tough questions to the newspeakers, the mic asking breakfast.

Speaker 16 (29:46):
Christmal Lection's Wether's fifteen percent. You've said on the show
a number of times we don't want to be materially
worse off than anyone else. Yep, you lose because you
are well.

Speaker 11 (29:55):
We've got a new minimum standard for those countries that
are selling more than what they buy from.

Speaker 16 (29:59):
The US said, you stand zero chance of getting the
suggusted in any ways.

Speaker 11 (30:03):
You're right, yeah, think it's pretty unlikely. Present's pretty fixed
in his firm views.

Speaker 16 (30:07):
So you are hand on heart telling us you could
have done nothing more.

Speaker 11 (30:11):
I think we had very good engagement at official ministerial level.
This was a lump decision made pretty last minute. Or
countries with a deficit yet ten minimum, or countries with
a surplus get fifteen miniment.

Speaker 16 (30:20):
Back tomorrow at six am the Mike Hosking Breakfast with
Mayley's Real Estate News Talk ZB.

Speaker 2 (30:26):
Hey, if you have long suspected that you can get
ahead in the corporate world if you just kind of
use jargon and you know, have an awesome LinkedIn profile
and write really weird things on LinkedIn when you've had
maybe two glasses of red wine on a Friday night,
If you've always suspected that people get ahead by doing
these kinds of things. A couple of comedians in Australia

(30:49):
reckon you bang on, and so they've written a book
about it. Am I allowed to say that word on air?
Am I allowed to say?

Speaker 8 (30:53):
We just have to warn people that if the kids
are listening, it might be a bit rude.

Speaker 2 (30:57):
Okay, well then you had it. What you just said
went on the radio.

Speaker 17 (31:00):
Ads.

Speaker 2 (31:01):
I never really know if you're just talking to me
or to everyone else. Know that went on the rat
because you had your warning NOWDNA, it's called wang Konomics.
Now I'm asking that question because back when I was
very young, I was I was under strict instructions. I
was not allowed to say the W word on any
it was there. Did you know that it was the
worst word in the in all of broadcasting, the W word.
It was surprised me too. Anyway, how our standards have slipped. Hey,

(31:23):
so now I can say it anyway. So the book's
called Wangkconomics, So we'll have a chat to them about
quarter pass bo actually on the subject of that. On
the subject of that, do you remember the sea bomb
column where Andrea Vance called the female MPs, including Nikola
Willis and Brook van Velden, the sea bomb because she
was so cross with him over the pay equity thing. Well,
update on that is, it's totally fine that she did,

(31:44):
absolute no problem at all, said the media counsel. A
whole bunch of people really upset about it, because, I mean,
there are some of us who still thought that there
were standards in the media, and you just you couldn't
say words like the seat but like lowls. How naive
are we? So everybody who went and complained the Media Council.
They had various reasons for the complaints and stuff like that.
Media Council went through it went oh nah, nothing to say. No,

(32:06):
it's all right, guys, she's very cross, so you can
say what you like when you're very cross. Somebody argued
that it was gendered, because I mean, it quite clearly
is gendered. I mean you're talking about a woman's bits,
aren't you, and then you're calling a woman a woman.
We don't need to get into it for the kids
and stuff, but it's a gender well either, No, said
the Media Council is not gendered at all, because you
can call dudes the same. This is not yet whatever whatever.

(32:30):
Do you know what I have?

Speaker 3 (32:30):
This?

Speaker 2 (32:31):
If you could see my fingers right now, I'm doing
the zero sign. That's how much respect I've got for
the Media Council because these guys just come up with
the weirdest decisions are and same with the BSA. They go, oh, no,
I really like it. I really like Andrea. No, she
kind of I like Andrea too. I think she's also
met a job, but I still have the ability to
go And that was out of line, mate, but not
the Media Council, going no, we love Andrea and now
she can use she can, she can she can because

(32:53):
she's seen you and she's really cross anyway or by
the way. And then the stuff stuff is because it's
one of their publications, has it all the hoster one
of them, I don't know, one of the websites has
it up on the on the homepage right now. And
the Headliners Media Council rejects complains about Sunday Star Times
girl Math column because that's what is that. We're calling
it the girl math column, now, are we anyway? Whatever?

(33:14):
Erica Stanford's with us next on n CEAD.

Speaker 1 (33:25):
Questions, Answers, facts, analysis, the Drive show you trust for
the full picture. Heather Dupasy on Drive with One New
Zealand let's get connected news talks.

Speaker 2 (33:37):
That'd be hey, good afternoon. So n CEA is scrapped. Instead,
we're going back to marks out of ten grades from
ADE and students being required to take five subjects and
pass four of them if they want to get the achievement.
Erica Stanford is the Education Mini stand in studio with us.

Speaker 15 (33:52):
Erica, Hello, Hey, great to be here.

Speaker 2 (33:54):
Okay, tell me what's brought this on for you?

Speaker 15 (33:57):
I always knew as a parent. Inherently there was something
not quite right about NCA, and then that data was
born out as the minister, I could see that too
many young people were scraping together random credits, not getting
deep subject learning. We just weren't setting our kids up
for success, and we need to be. We've got to
be aspirational for them. So we always knew that this
would we would need to do something relatively dressed up.

Speaker 2 (34:18):
So what is it that is wrong with the NCA
that led us to that point.

Speaker 15 (34:21):
There's a couple of things. One, there is no national
curriculum that we teach to. We teach to what's in
the standards, So essentially the qualification drives what's taught. That's
totally backwards. Nobody else does that. And then we don't
require a certain amount of learning in each subject area.

Speaker 2 (34:39):
So basically what you're saying is, if you do maths,
you don't need to actually know all of these things.
We don't need.

Speaker 15 (34:43):
You could pick one or two bits of the maths
and one or two bits of the English, and one
bit of geography and a unit standard filling in a form,
put it all together, and that's your qualification. There's no
deep learning in one subject area, which means it's not
consistent across the country and we.

Speaker 2 (34:56):
Can't be sure you've learned everything you need to learn
that's exactly right, right, So which five subjects are these
kids going to pick from or pick.

Speaker 15 (35:03):
We're working on the subjects at the moment, so that's
a separate path of work that we're doing. So we're
going through the subject areas where we're rewriting them all
the way up to year thirteen and just taking a
look at which ones that may be we don't need
anymore because not enough students are doing them, ones that
we can combine. But we're taking a look at that.
We're talking to the different setts.

Speaker 2 (35:22):
So you remember back in the old days pre NCA,
you had to take you sort of had like your
class A subjects. You had to take some of those
and then you could buffer them up with some kind
of other ones that were less important. Are we still
going to do the same kind of thing.

Speaker 15 (35:36):
We are saying in year eleven, in your foundational year
where you do that certificate, you will need to take
English and maths. Most schools do that already, but not all.
So we are saying, actually all schools need to do that.
Those are key foundational areas of learning, and then when
you go into year twelve, there'll be your normal range
of subjects that you can choose from. Again, that's a
workstream we're doing at the moment. It's very separate to
the actual curriculum and how we assess. How we assess,

(35:58):
and the curriculum is being set, and we'll have subject
areas that will come and go over time, but the
one thing that will remain constant is how we assess.

Speaker 2 (36:06):
Ok, and how prescriptive are youre going to be about
what the kids are learning.

Speaker 15 (36:09):
We will have a curriculum that goes all the way
up to year twelve, year thirteen, sorry, and it will
lay out what must be taught each year. But within
that there is flexibility. So for an English, for example,
we're not saying you must teach this book and this
text and this solid y and this. We're saying, you know, look,
you have to teach a Shakespeare teacher could choose us
on it a play. You have to teach a nineteenth
century text. You have to teach English a New Zealand writer.

(36:32):
They will be able to pack and choose the texts
that they use yeah, but the actual knowledge and skill
they build up will be prescribed in the curriculum, so
it's consistent.

Speaker 2 (36:39):
You want to get this out by twenty twenty seven.

Speaker 15 (36:42):
We will have the draft curriculum out by the by
term four for up to year ten, and then early
next year it will be the full curriculum all the
way up to year thirteen. But we're carefully phasing this in.

Speaker 2 (36:53):
I mean, that's fast, isn't it.

Speaker 15 (36:55):
We have been working at pace. Yeah, We've been looking
at the best curriculum from overseas. We've been writing with
local experts here as well and creating what I know
will be a world leading curriculum, and that's what we're
aiming for.

Speaker 2 (37:07):
How's the teacher load? Have you heard back from them
that this is all too much?

Speaker 15 (37:11):
Look, having a world leading curriculum and excellent qualifications and
teaching to those is a core part of the business
of the education sector. But I know very well that
they are there is a very heavy workload, So there
are a number of things we're doing to try and
lighten that. I've already said to NZQA want everything externally
marked by twenty twenty eight. I didn't say that this morning,

(37:33):
but in saying it reactively today to take that workload off,
so all the internals teachers won't.

Speaker 2 (37:37):
Have to mark, so no more self marking.

Speaker 15 (37:39):
Well, that's where we're trying to get to. There'll be
somewhere it's hard to get away from, like a performance,
music performance or a science experiment.

Speaker 2 (37:45):
Well, that's going to ease the workload considerably. So it
imagine that puts a huge amount of pressure on them.

Speaker 15 (37:49):
Absolutely will, and that'll be a game changer for them.
But also we are staging this over time, rolling it
out very carefully because I want parents to feel confident
that who are you. I've got Year eight students who
will be the first cohort through that. We are very
carefully thinking about how we roll this out, how we
give teachers plenty of time to learn the new curriculum,
the new qualification system, which is why it doesn't come

(38:10):
until twenty twenty eight. It sounds like a long way away.

Speaker 2 (38:12):
Yep, it was really not, but it's really not.

Speaker 17 (38:14):
Really.

Speaker 15 (38:14):
It gives us time to do that implementation.

Speaker 2 (38:16):
What do you say? I mean, I had a parent
text through before and say, Erica, what do you say
to kids who are doing NCEEA right now? And are
going to think, jeez, this is an utterly worthless thing.

Speaker 15 (38:26):
Well, I've said quite a lot today. It's certainly not worthless.
And students who are going through NCA should feel very
proud of their achievements. My daughter is just finishing it.
My son is going to be doing it. He's the
last cohort. He's in year nine this year, so he
will be one of those students and he should feel
very proud of what he achieved. So hopefully if he
gets it.

Speaker 2 (38:44):
Sure he will, it's easy, He'll be fine.

Speaker 15 (38:47):
But look, it is still a good qualification. Many students
still go into top universities around the world. It needs
to be better and it needs to be more consistent
and we can aim to be more ambitious for our kids,
and that's what we're trying to do.

Speaker 2 (39:00):
You did you at any point think why don't we
just go with Cambridge or or ib.

Speaker 15 (39:04):
Well, we want something that's New Zealand that we can
stand behind. And by the way we are looking.

Speaker 2 (39:09):
Why do we That's like what I mean, that's that's silly,
right to do our own thing.

Speaker 15 (39:13):
Because we can be we can be the best. Because
if you go to Cambridge, there are things that aren't
perfect about that, but IB there is my kids could
choose to do IB. They're not a number of reasons.
We want to take what's the best bits of everything
from around the world. And believe me, we are looking
all around the world at what works and what is
best and what is doing well and bringing it here

(39:34):
and creating what will be the best curriculum I believe
in the world. And if you look at our primary
English and mass curriculum already, people are saying that it
is world leading. I'm very proud of that, and that's
what we want all the way out.

Speaker 2 (39:44):
Eric, I haven't got a lot of time, but you
listen to the show, so you'll know that I've been
calling you the MVP for the longest time. Right, I'm
not blowing smoke and I mean it. But why is
it that you are able to get this much done
in eighteen months and other guys in their portfolios arelaughing around.

Speaker 15 (39:57):
Well, I think everyone's working really hard. I mean, look
at the word I'm shaving so much Brown and Nikola
willis the secrets to all of our success is that
we spend time and opposition thinking about this. I had
my sex point plan ready to go. We hit the
ground running. We'd had a property thing that fell in there.
It's my seventh part of my plan. I wasn't expecting,
but I knew exactly what we needed to do. I
did all the research in our position around structured literacy,

(40:19):
structured mass ex PLUSIT, teaching the reading was and what
was wrong with our qualification. I knew exactly what we
needed to do. We've been moving with clarity and pace
for the last eighteen months and there is more to come.
Next year we'll be doing twice yearly assessments so parents
will know how their children are going.

Speaker 2 (40:34):
Erica, thank you for coming in. I really appreciate your time.
That's Erica stand for the Education Minister. Fourteen past five
hever do fore so we can now name the prominent
New Zealander facing serious charges and court it as deputy
former Deputy Police Commissioner Jim mcskimming. He's facing charges of
possessing objectionabable, objectionable material, good designing to go and study again,
including child exploitation material and unfortunately best regality. Jared Savage

(40:57):
is an investigative reporter at the Herald High Jarrett Hi Heather.
Jared is this content that he got through his work
in the police or is this stuff that he just
got from the internet as a civilian.

Speaker 17 (41:09):
I don't know there are to connectier, but I would
say that I strongly doubt whether the police would have
laid such serious charges against the former Deputy commissioner if
it was something that he had been looking at as
part of his duties as a police officer. So there's
a lot more to play out with us in the
court process. Is going to be pretty careful about the dellegations,

(41:31):
but I would suspect that if that's a defense to
be raised, that will come later at trial.

Speaker 2 (41:35):
Right, And was this found because police were looking for
the stuff or did they just stumble it across across
it when they were investigating the separate staff related complaint
which came first.

Speaker 17 (41:46):
So yeah, you're right, there's a separate complaint that the
police were investigating late last year with the Independent Police
Conduct Authority. My understanding is a part of that inquiry,
and we can't get into the details of that for
other reasons, but as part of that, they have had
such once of his group devices and allegedly found this
objectional material on his computer that led to a separate

(42:10):
a separate police investigation, and it was at that point
where you know, the police Minister Mark Mitchell was, you know,
sort of given this maturity. Look, we found an issue
here separate to the original complaint and that's read the
mixed skimming resigning in May.

Speaker 2 (42:28):
I think, And why did he allow his name suppression
to lapse today?

Speaker 17 (42:33):
I'm not sure what and he allowed it to lapse,
but it's sort of one of those things where this
actually is quite hard to keep name supression ongoing for
for a long time unless there are very good reasons
for it. That the threshold can be quite high the media.
So the herodingsed Me staff are in zenith coming banding
together and sort of finding the suppression aspect of it earlier.

(42:56):
And I think given the significant public interest in this,
I think it would have been very hard we're judged
to sort of maintain the status qual ready.

Speaker 2 (43:04):
And so what's the maximum sentence he faces here if
he was to be found guilty.

Speaker 17 (43:08):
I hope people was to be found guilty though maximum
sentence is ten years in prison or of fifty thousand
dollars fine. But that's the viye, that's the very maximum
end of it.

Speaker 2 (43:18):
Brilliant. Hey, thank you for running us through that. Jared
appreciated that. It's Jared Savage, the Herald's investigative reporter here
the Thank goodness, the government's seen the light and change
the NCAA back to a real qualification that everyone can
understand no more, woke cotton woodl Education seventeen past five.
Just to reminder that Nikola Willis is going to be
with us after six o'clock. We're going to ask you
about this trade situation and five twenty At the moment.

(43:39):
On the trade situation, the Prime Minister reckons it's unlikely
We're going to be able to change Donald Trump's mind
on the higher tariff that he slapped on New Zealand
came in at fifteen percent when Australia got slapped with
ten percent. Felicity Roxburgh as the director of the International
Business Forum and with us, Hey, Felicity, hi there, do
you agree with the Prime Minister.

Speaker 18 (43:58):
Well, we believe that it's worth. We welcome the decision
to go to Washington to press our case, to put
the word that we have a balanced trade profile with
the US and that we've sort of been hopefully inadvertently
caught up in the Trump tariff net.

Speaker 2 (44:18):
Do you think there we'll be able to change Trump's mind.

Speaker 18 (44:22):
It's it's going to be difficult. I think it's going
to be difficult.

Speaker 2 (44:26):
I mean, listen, let's be honest about it, felicity, so
we can stop getting our hopes up. Okay, So it's
unlikely to happen even if we did the things that
they would want, right, even if we removed all the
tariffs that we slap on their staff, looked at the
biosecurity regime on US imports, maybe bought some Boeings quicker,
so we could kind of you know, change the trade,
the balance of trade, even all of that stuff. They
still wouldn't budge.

Speaker 18 (44:49):
Well, it's still we do believe it's still worth making
an attempt to go and talk to them. I mean
what the other thing to remember is that you know
that we have supported more or less the government's approach
up until now because it was a lot of downside
risk as well to negotiating. You know, it's very unpredictable

(45:09):
the situation, and if we'd go on there and made
a big noise, then we could have ended up in
some conversations that we didn't want to be in and
also you know ten percenters. There's a very long queue
of the ten percent club, so we probably were at
the end of it. So, you know, the businesses aspectually,
they understood and accepted the government's kind of head down

(45:29):
ears open.

Speaker 2 (45:31):
The conversations that we might have ended up in that
we didn't want to end up in. Are they China?

Speaker 18 (45:36):
Not necessarily? I mean there's also the pharmac piece that's
been you know, a difficulty for the government. The US
doesn't like our sort of single buyer model. We do
have defensive interests as well.

Speaker 2 (45:48):
Okay, Felicity, it's wonderful to talk to you. Thanks for
your expertise. That's Felicity Rocksbury, director of the International Business Forum.
We'll come back to why I asked about China, and
just to take five twenty two.

Speaker 3 (45:58):
Checking good point of the story.

Speaker 1 (46:00):
It's Heather Duplicy Ellen drive with one New Zealand let's
get connected and news dogs.

Speaker 3 (46:06):
They'd be.

Speaker 2 (46:08):
Five twenty four. Well, I can't imagine that too many
people are going to hate the idea of charging the
tourists to visit Cathedral Cove, are they? I mean, this
is probably going to be incredibly popular. This thing that
was announced over the weekend, and it should be and
it should be popular for not just Cathedral Cove, but
also for the tong that dead are crossing Milford Sound,
al Raqui Mount Cook because we all know, don't we,
that we are not getting the maximum dollar out of

(46:30):
our great outdoors. I mean, this is why the tourists
come to our country, right. They don't come here for
the night life. They don't come here for the cuisine
or our awesome amusement parks or our shopping. They come
here because of our outdoors, our views and our walks.
They are incredible. They're better than in a lot of
places in the world. We do not and we also
know this, We do not make nearly enough money out
of those views and those walks. Once the people get here,

(46:52):
they mostly do all of it for free, don't they. Probably?
I would say probably, even if we're charging them twenty
to forty New Zealand dollars, what's that like around about
ten to something New Zealand American dollars, Not a lot
of money. Probably at that we're completely under charging them anyway,
So this is a no brainer, and I don't think
we should limit limit it to these full spots. I

(47:13):
think we need to roll it out absolutely everywhere where
the tourists flock. But here's the wrinkle. Great idea, which
is why we've talked about it for such a long time,
But how do you do it? Which is why we've
never done it because think of, for example, Cathedral Cove.
I mean, sure, you can fix it in one spot.
You chuck a guy in a booth at the top there,
make the tourists pay when they can't produce proof that
they live here. But then what about the people who

(47:34):
come into the cove on the boats because there are
a lot of them, right, how do you charge them?
Do you ask the boat operators to charge a little
bit more and then pass it on to the government.
What if they don't want to do it because it
lifts their overall charge and then makes the tourists drop off.
Do you then have a guy patrolling the beach asking
everybody do you have a proof that you have a
little ticket to show that you're supposed to be here.
It gets a lot more tricky when you think about

(47:55):
the actual practicalities of it. What about torgut edor yeah,
there's one or two, there's two may points and that
track actually has a lot of points where you can
just jump on if you want to come in from
the side, don't pay your bill? How do you do that?
Then the devil is in the detail here, and that
is why we never have done it. And that is
what is missing from that announcement at the weekend. If
they can figure that out, and you know, I wait

(48:17):
to see if they can then and only then they're
onto a no brainer here.

Speaker 3 (48:21):
Heather, do for see Ellen.

Speaker 2 (48:23):
Okay, So why I was going to talk to you
about China. So I called a trade negotiated today and
I said to them, okay, listen, what do we How
can we get Trump to back down on the fifteen
percent down to the ten percent? And he and literally
everybody else we've spoken to agrees with the Prime Minister.
It's probably not going to happen. We're probably stuck with
the fifteen percent. We could maybe if we wanted to,
and here's the thing, if we really wanted to, we

(48:44):
could have gone hard and gone in there with some offers, right,
and then maybe it would have changed things. So we
could have taken the tariffs of all the things that
we put tariffs on it, we put tariffs on us
shoes and stuff like that could have whipped them off.
Could have promised to look at the biosecurity regime on
some of their imports because they hate that, they hate
what they have to do here. Could offer to bring
forward some of the purchases of the Boeings out of

(49:05):
this country. But then what if they start asking us
to do things on China? And that's basically where negotiators got.
They were like, too much risk, don't do it. Headline's next.

Speaker 3 (49:17):
After making the news, the news makers talk to Heather first.

Speaker 1 (49:21):
It's Heather Duplicy Ellen drive with one New Zealand, let's
get connected and news talks.

Speaker 19 (49:27):
They'd be what is a fill?

Speaker 16 (49:31):
What is a fill?

Speaker 2 (49:33):
Heather? Trying to figure this stuff out as exactly the
opposite of a no brainer, which actually, do you know
what is a very fair point that you make. Thank
you for that. It is not a no brainer. It's
something I'd like to do, but I'll leave it to
Toma Porultacker to figure out exactly how, and if he does,
he'll be the first minister and a long line of
ministers who thought about this, who can actually crack it anyway.
The Huddles standing by Nikola Willis is going to be
with us after six o'clock. It's twenty four away from six. Now,

(49:55):
if you work in a white collar workplace, the chances
are that you have put up with more than your
fair share of corporate Oh yes, you know what I mean.
The meetings that could have been emails, the stupid acronyms,
the mission statements, the LinkedIn. A couple of Ossie comedians
have put together a highly tongue in cheek guide on
how to navigate modern office culture. Kids warning. It's called Wankanomics.
The book. One of the authors is James Schleffel. Hi, James, Hi,

(50:19):
how are you well? Thank you very much. So is
the idea here that you can basically rise through the
corporate world just by using stupid acronyms and jargon and
looking like you know what you're doing.

Speaker 19 (50:28):
Well, it's actually the only way that you can rise
through the corporate ranks, because look, it doesn't matter how
smart you are, Like you could have a PhD in
theoretical chemistry, but you're just not going to be matched
to the person in middle management who has an omniir
channel thought leadership adiation solution that is going to cascade
to SLT for feedback. So this kind of language is

(50:50):
the key to surviving, if not thriving, in the corporate environment.

Speaker 2 (50:54):
I mean, you sound like you know what you're talking about.
Is this based on some real world experience or just
you've been not observing this?

Speaker 19 (51:00):
It is based in real world experience. I did work
in the corporate world for a long long time, and look,
in many ways, Wanconomics is a bit of a therapy
session for me. It's a way for me to work
through the issues that I've built up over the years.
But I think also too, it's a way for other
people to have that therapy session too. It is quite cathartic.

(51:20):
I think reading this book, what is.

Speaker 2 (51:23):
The evil role that LinkedIn plays here?

Speaker 20 (51:26):
Well?

Speaker 19 (51:27):
Look, LinkedIn is a funny place, isn't It's actually my
favorite social media platform because it's this weird place where
everyone is inexplicably excited about everything, Like you know what
I mean, Like, it doesn't matter how mundane someone's day
has been, they will talk about their little achievements at work,
as with the excitement levels that they would usually only

(51:50):
muster when they're on class A drugs. So you know,
even if you've just finished a report, you've sent out
a document. You need to be thrilled or excited or
ecstatic about it. That's what LinkedIn is. It's a funny place.

Speaker 2 (52:05):
It feels to me like it's a very exclusive club
of people. I mean, even though it's very accessible, it's
a very exclusive club of people, or at least they
like to think they're exclusive and special for using LinkedIn,
don't they.

Speaker 19 (52:16):
Well, you've got to make yourself sounds special. But that's
the key to it. So look, you would never say
something like on LinkedIn that you maybe worked in a
bar when you were at university. You would say that
you managed a portfolio of liquid assets. You know, that's
the kind of that's the kind of wankery you need
on LinkedIn to give those kind of minor accomplishments, give

(52:37):
them a bit of a bit of a push, make
them sound like they's something special.

Speaker 2 (52:41):
So what's the proportion do you reckon of, as you
call it, whankory? What proportion of whankory versus actual ability
do you need in order to succeed?

Speaker 19 (52:51):
Well, here's the funny thing, right, So we've done some research, sorry,
we've made up some research that has shown that there's
about twenty percent of people in any given workplace that
have absolutely no idea what they're doing, totally out of
their depth. And we've all seen these people. They're usually
in senior management positions, and so they will use these

(53:13):
long winded words, overly complex sentences to give the impression
that they know what they're doing, because like instead of
saying I'm incompetent, you would say something like there are
a lot of moving parts, and then all of a
sudden everyone thinks that you're very, very clever. The problem is, though,
the language of that twenty percent then very quickly spreads

(53:34):
to the other eighty percent, a bit like how a
virus spreads. I mean, it's incredibly infectious because you could
have someone saying a phrase like circle back at the
start of a meeting, and by the end of the meeting,
the three or four people are saying circle back, and
then by the end of the week, the entire office
is speaking like that. So it spreads incredibly quickly, and

(53:55):
unfortunately there's no vaccine for it.

Speaker 2 (53:58):
James, thank you very much, appreciate your time, very very much,
and your mutual hatred. Of our mutual hatred, I suppose
of Lincoln, James Schleffel, who was one of the authors
of Wangconomics. If you want to get it, you could
just go to the website wanconomics dot com and it'll
tell you where.

Speaker 1 (54:12):
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Speaker 2 (54:19):
On the Huddle with Me this evening, we have trisherson
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Hello you too, Hello, Hello, You were giggling all the
way through that trash. Did this just remind you of
your day job? Oh? I just I absolutely love it.

Speaker 6 (54:32):
And what I'm worried about now is am I going
to be consigned to the bill the bin of corporate wankery?
Because I am quite a big LinkedIn user and quite
a big proponent of Linklin.

Speaker 2 (54:44):
What's the value of Lincoln?

Speaker 17 (54:45):
So tell it?

Speaker 6 (54:45):
Well, let me tell you my journey, which is another
terrible corporate Back in the day, I was one of
those people. I actually called LinkedIn Facebook for accountants and
I laughed, laughed in its face, ha ha LinkedIn. But
what I have actually found is that LinkedIn now it's
gone from the place where everyone's just saying I'm proud

(55:06):
to or whatever. It's an incredible place for learning. If
you want to learn about AI and you go on
to LinkedIn and you follow the right people, amazing learning
it is at it's heart.

Speaker 15 (55:18):
LinkedIn is an educational tool. That's what it was formed for.

Speaker 6 (55:21):
And I think there's been a huge maturity in the users.
As someone who works in communications, I have never had
such a data rich, a real time analytical tool for clients.

Speaker 15 (55:33):
It is actually fantastic.

Speaker 5 (55:34):
So there we go.

Speaker 2 (55:36):
I'm you know, I'm, I'm admits. I think we've I
think we've got the cut of herd job.

Speaker 17 (55:41):
Now haven't we?

Speaker 2 (55:43):
Oh?

Speaker 21 (55:43):
I can't stand LinkedIn, honestly, I get any more alerts
about people's skills, people's new jobs anniversaries, new job anniversaries,
and so I've banned meetings in our organization. You can
have them, but you've got to stand up so that
it last too long.

Speaker 4 (56:01):
But the serious ways of pushing.

Speaker 21 (56:02):
Back on this virus, as James the author called it,
I mean it's things like powerpoints, isn't it. We all
know that most people do really stupid, shitty powerpoints with
way too many words on them, and they always go,
I don't expect you to read this, but I'm just
going to talk to it. Well, why did you put
it up there if we can't read it? So what
happens is everybody starts to think that it's actually like

(56:25):
a secret handshake. You have to talk in this jargon
rich language and you have to do a really bad
PowerPoint with thousands of words on one slide and font
nine in order to sort of look like you know
what you're talking about it. So it's going to Honestly,
there's a pushback on this. And I work in development
and aid and development. There are so much jargony words

(56:47):
in that, like we talk about sustainable livelihoods when we
actually just mean jobs, And why we can't just like
talk like humans.

Speaker 17 (56:54):
I don't know.

Speaker 21 (56:55):
So no, I think this is wonderful. I absolutely love
it because we have to push back on and we're
going to talk about education. I've heard somebody in this
kind of you know, public sector corporate language stuff talk
about scaffolding of the scusters of loving to describe a teacher,
and it's like, the hell are you talking about?

Speaker 5 (57:13):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (57:13):
They just teachers. Thank you, Thank you for pointing out
some home truths that Josie, right, Trisha, I do want
to talk about education, but let's talk about the tariff's
revery quickly. It doesn't sound to me like there's any
chance we're going to get Trump to go go, you know,
to go from fifteen down to ten percent? Does it
you no chance at all?

Speaker 6 (57:28):
No, that that ship has sailed. And remember, I think
we had this conversation a couple of weeks ago. If
you think about if Ozzie's got ten percent tariff and
we've got fifteen, effectively we've got five percent over them.
So it's not great for New Zealand. But I don't
think it's a surprise that it was coming, and I

(57:49):
think probably the government thought it was inevitable, like they
really sort of stood back and kind of let it,
let it have role. I don't think it's great for
the government in terms of domestic politics at the moment.
If you looked at the Columbus over the weekend this,
you know they were sort of characterizing this as a
government caught on the back foot, not really knowing again

(58:11):
what they were what they were doing. So I don't
think that's great, and I just think overall, again it's
not good for sort of business sentiment and confidence at
the moment.

Speaker 2 (58:20):
Yeah, totally. What do you think, Josie, I think this.

Speaker 21 (58:23):
Is going to really hurt us, and I don't think
we've quite grasped how much you take just one sector
like wyn exporters. They have said that their profits will
be halved by this because of this tariff going from
ten to fifteen percent. And I wrote about this last
year before the US election, and we now have let's
just be realistic, we have a higher tariff than Russia.

(58:46):
In other words, we're being treated worse than Russia. And
I think we do have some negotiating power. So they
announced this higher fifteen per cent tariff the day after
the FBI office was announced that we're having a new Zealand.
I think they can say, until you treat us better
than Russia, we're not having your FBI off, you know what.

Speaker 9 (59:04):
I think.

Speaker 2 (59:04):
We know we've got a little bit of a little
bit of leverage, but we were too scared to use
it in case more stuff came at us. But we'll
talk to Nichola Willis about it when she's with us.
After sex, we take a break.

Speaker 1 (59:11):
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Speaker 2 (59:19):
Right, you're back with the huddle. We've got Joe SPEGANI
and Tricious and so Josie. What do you think of
getting rid of NCEA.

Speaker 21 (59:25):
The right thing to do. I mean, this is potentially
the most transformational thing the government has done so far,
and I think whatever your political persuasions, they deserve credit
for it. And they've done it sooner than I thought.
And I think the opposition I saw Willow Jene Prime
from Labor, you know, accusing Erica Stanford of rushing changes

(59:46):
through now for political expediency. Well, getting things done really
quickly when you can see the obvious fault is actually
a really good thing. And I think it would be
better if labor kind of got behind this because Eric's
Stanford has done this with a panel of principles. She
hasn't just kind of waded in and gone right, national government,
we're a lunatic government. We're going to make these changes.

(01:00:09):
She's actually done it with the sector as much as
possible onside. And I do think the media, you know,
not said b I have to say, but a lot
of the media we've spent so much time talking about
school lunches. I mean, there are hundreds of stories on
Blimen's school lunches that we've ignored. You know what is
really a rapid decline over the last ten years and standards,

(01:00:31):
and it's the poorest kids that have been impacted. So no,
this is I think this is a really good thing.
People are saying devil's in the detail. Well it always is,
really And I just think the fact we know the
NCA hasn't worked as a parent, I've never understood it.
My eldest boy got a whole bunch of credits and
excellence for being top of his class for coming up

(01:00:51):
with the most words for penis and vagina, So you go,
what the hell is it?

Speaker 3 (01:00:55):
For real?

Speaker 2 (01:00:56):
Wow, it's for real.

Speaker 21 (01:00:57):
Yes, this is years ago, but that's you know, the
kind of things that they were doing.

Speaker 4 (01:01:01):
Were you thinking?

Speaker 21 (01:01:03):
And he's done all right, But a lot of kids
in the system under NCA, well you know, are not
really equipped for the workforce, let alone for universities.

Speaker 3 (01:01:12):
So it's a good Do you.

Speaker 2 (01:01:14):
Think she's PM material? And this is this is apropos
the columns at the weekend.

Speaker 6 (01:01:18):
Well, you asked why Erica was MVP, and it goes
to Josie's statement, this is not a rush job. This
is a rare minister who has spent many years developing detailed,
detailed policy and as a minister, she has worked through
this absolutely methodically. She is one of the few ministers.

(01:01:41):
In your interview with her, she is giving you actually
the nuts and bolts. She's not falling into the trap
that the Prime Minister and other ministers do now where
they spend all of their answers to questions on these
shows and others just stating what the problem is. Yeah,
well we all know what the problem. We want to
know what you're going to do about it. So I

(01:02:02):
am a big fan. She is one of the best
things National has going for it in terms of getting
the women's vote back.

Speaker 2 (01:02:12):
Yes, I agree.

Speaker 6 (01:02:14):
I can't tell you the number of women who are
literally fangirling on Erica Stanford because as mothers, they go,
here's a person who gets it, who is practical, She's
got her hands on the clay, she deeply understands what's happening,
and she's rolling out these big changes. I love the
NCAA stuff. What I also love is, as she alluded to,

(01:02:35):
she's going to next roll out twice yearly assessments so
parents will know exactly where their kids are at. It's
all fantastic, and I think that is why she's a
great communicator. She really knows her stuff. She cares about
policy and detail, not just so you know content on
social media. I think that's why people are talking about

(01:02:58):
her as PM material.

Speaker 5 (01:03:00):
Hmm.

Speaker 2 (01:03:00):
I heard the one can your breath there, Josie?

Speaker 17 (01:03:03):
I did.

Speaker 21 (01:03:03):
I did, just because I do think we've still got
to acknowledge why on earth it was that the NCA
system came into place in the first place, and it
was to look at those kids who don't do well
in exams, are they being assessed in other ways that
we could work out, Okay, this kid has actually got
a career path here, So there is some good stuff
in the NCEA. The kids that aren't going to do
well in exams deserve some way of indicating what they're

(01:03:26):
going to be good at in terms of their jobs.
And I think, you know, look, if that's where labor
can come in and go, hey, let's keep let's keep
what's good and check out what's bad, and let's work
together on something that's going to benefit.

Speaker 6 (01:03:37):
But the problem is for our kids, Josie. We have
then engineered a system all one way. So we engineered
a system all around kids who weren't good at exams. Yes,
and that has it's commed down the whole thing and
made it unusable.

Speaker 2 (01:03:51):
I totally agree. Hey, guys, thank you so much, really appreciated.
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Speaker 2 (01:04:07):
Hither It's such a shame that Erica wasn't running the
Cutter when my young fellas were at school. What a bloody,
bloody cockcase that was. That's from Andy Hither. I'm a
high school teacher who left teaching recently because I got
sick of the internal marking and teaching, the assessments. And
I'm delighted with what Erica is doing. I'll tell you what.
I'm actually pleasantly surprised, are you not pleasant? Really surprised
by the number of educators who are actually backing what

(01:04:28):
Eric is doing because generally how it goes is that
and this is it's terrible that it works like this,
But generally it is how it works like this. You
get the guys from the left going in, they tend
to tend to do what the teachers wants. The teachers
go easy on them. Yet the guys from the right
coming in and all of a sudden and they tend
to not be on board with the unions. So generally
the teachers and the nurses and you know so and

(01:04:49):
give them a hard time. Not so with Erica Stanford,
which I think is a really interesting little development in
this obviously has been talking to the sector here the
well done to Erica. Glad she's an aspiration for our kids.
Kids aren't stupid. Most important, we actually have a curriculum
so that teachers can focus on the teaching part and
allow subject matter experts to produce textbooks brilliant stuff. Okay, Now, look,

(01:05:10):
I hate to be going from a good news story
to a bad news story, and this is not really
a bad news story, but I reckon there is nothing
that makes me feel like this country is headed in
the wrong direction, kind of towards third world status. Then
every single time we talk about coal and having to
stockpile coal, and we've done it again. We're stockpiling now
six hundred thousand tons of coal at Huntley. And the

(01:05:31):
reason we're doing this is because the country's big four
gent tailors have signed a deal to do this, and
they're doing it basically because they can see that there
will be years where there are going to be energy
crunches and they need to be able to get through.
And Genesis, which owns Huntley, doesn't want to be the
one doing it by itself, so they got them all
involved in it and whatnot. So and it's going to
keep Huntly the full power station operational for the next

(01:05:54):
decade or so. It still has to be signed off
by the ComCom, and I suspect that they will because
otherwise they're going to end us to the older dark
ages again. Anyway, We're going to talk to Malcolm John's
from Genesis Energy after half past six. But isn't it
And while I I don't have a major ideological opposition
to Cole, isn't it just so backward though you think
he's the rest of the world. You know, we should

(01:06:15):
be moving into all kinds of clean energy and stuff,
and here we are going back to coal. Anyway, Hey,
Nichola Willis is going to be at US next Finance Minister,
Let's talk to her about the tariffs. News Talk said b.

Speaker 3 (01:06:44):
What's up, what's down? What were a major cause? And
how will it affect the economy?

Speaker 1 (01:06:50):
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Speaker 2 (01:07:02):
Coming up in the next hour, Genesis Energy is going
to talk us through that stoff pile of coal. It's
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Shane Soley will talk us through that. And then Gavin
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and nikolaulls the finance ministers with us Hi, Nicola, Good Evening,
Ether do you reckon this?

Speaker 6 (01:07:19):
Is it?

Speaker 2 (01:07:19):
On the tariffs? We won't get a better deal?

Speaker 9 (01:07:22):
Well, I think there is the possibility that we could,
in particular because the blunt reason why we're facing fifteen
percent is that in the most recent year we had
a trade deficit with the US. We sold them more
than we bought from them. But that has changed year
to year over the past decade, and we could expect
it to change in the future. So the question for

(01:07:44):
US is if it does change, does that mean we
get better treatment?

Speaker 2 (01:07:47):
So do you think this is something that they are
going to keep revising as we go along?

Speaker 9 (01:07:52):
Well, I would simply observe that they have continued to
revise their position on tariffs pretty continuously, and so it's
not possible to imagine that that could continue into the.

Speaker 2 (01:08:02):
But then isn't that something that's going to fluctuate every
single time we go into deficitle surplus from their point
of view.

Speaker 9 (01:08:08):
Look, I don't know the answer to that, but that's
exactly heverly.

Speaker 2 (01:08:12):
Is it possible you've being overly hopeful here, because I
mean this seems to me to have been locked in
at a point in time, and our Australia is it's
on ten percent and we sit on fifteen percent, and
I can't imagine that they're going to put the effort
into keeping on changing this every single time every single
country goes into a different position.

Speaker 9 (01:08:29):
This just means I'm being resolute, which is that we
need to take every opportunity and angle to push the
best case for our exporters, and we do think we
have a strong case. How that will be met by
the US administration is yet to unfold. But if this
is about trade deficits and surpluses, and that's a changing position,
then we would hope that the tariff could change.

Speaker 2 (01:08:48):
Okay, So what's our strong case that we're taking to them.

Speaker 9 (01:08:52):
First, That we have a very balanced and complementary relationship,
That we're a very good and long standing friend of
the US, that our trade is complementary and non threat,
and that we do expect to be buying quite a
lot from the US in the coming few years, and
that we'd like that reflected in our tariff position.

Speaker 2 (01:09:07):
Is that with the Boeings.

Speaker 9 (01:09:10):
Well with our general defense procurement, we've made a big
commitment to building the capability of our defense force across
a number of areas where ye'd expect US manufacturers would
be some of those bidding for the contracts.

Speaker 2 (01:09:22):
Had we thought about possibly removing all the tariffs that
we slap on US goods.

Speaker 9 (01:09:28):
Well, all of those things are potential considerations in a negotiation,
but at this point, we already have incredibly low tariffs
on US goods, so we don't actually have that much
to bring to the table, and that's one of the
points that we've been making. We're not a country that's
been playing fast and loose. We haven't tried to break

(01:09:49):
the rules.

Speaker 2 (01:09:49):
Their footwear we slap with ten percent.

Speaker 9 (01:09:52):
That's all that low, which is low relative to a
lot of other countries.

Speaker 2 (01:09:56):
Yeah, but we're getting and we're moaning about that.

Speaker 9 (01:09:59):
But overall in terms but overall, in terms of how
much we import from the States, the average tariff rate
across what we actually import large amounts of is lower
than that heather, and our reciprocal tariffs are much lower
than they are and lots of the other countries. So
we've got a good case.

Speaker 2 (01:10:14):
What about if we because I know that they're apparently
annoyed about our biosecurity regime with some of the exports
imports for US, would we consider having a look at that.

Speaker 9 (01:10:22):
All those are always things that we look at because
we play by the rules, which is we don't use
our biosecurity regime as an excuse for restricting an importation
of products. If it's ever perceived that we are, we're
always prepared to look at it. But this is a
case where anything that we do at our end, we
want to lead to advantage for our exporters at the

(01:10:44):
US end. So those are the issues that our negotiators
will be stepping.

Speaker 2 (01:10:48):
Why didn't we send Vangelis Vitalis before.

Speaker 9 (01:10:52):
Well, the very clear indication that we had at the
ministerial level was that we were not on the naughty list.
We weren't on the bad list, that making efforts to
get negotiation weren't going to be successful because we simply
weren't on the list of people that were at risk.
And as it's played out, really there was an exception

(01:11:14):
made for Australia based on that blunt assessment that they
export more to the US than they import from the US,
and nothing we negotiated would have changed that blunt fact.

Speaker 2 (01:11:25):
Now, talk me through these doc charges. How are we
going to do this at for example, let's say Cathedral Cove.

Speaker 9 (01:11:31):
Well, a lot of people have got to Cathedral Cove
go on a boat as part of a tour group.
So you could envisage that potentially that tour group would
put the charge directly to those people they're putting on
the boat. You could also imagine that for those who
walk in, you could have some sort of a turnstile.
Technology these days is pretty advanced in terms of what
perhaps we can have on our phone elsewhere that's one

(01:11:53):
of the issues that we will be consulting with the
industry about over the coming months. It cannot be too
hard to charge a simple fee for international tourists to
see one of the most beautiful places in the country.
I know what every other country around the world manages
to do it. And anyone who says to me, oh,
it's too complicated, I say, come on, this is pretty simple.

Speaker 2 (01:12:13):
Really Okay, No, I like the sound of that. Okay,
are you going to fix or change anything about the
surcharge ban as it is right now? Because you cannot
tell me that you are going to do this to
some of your voters months before the election.

Speaker 9 (01:12:27):
The first thing that I want to fix is I
want small businesses to hear this message, which they didn't
hear I think in some cases. Which is the first
thing that happened, was the Commerce Commission regulated what prices
MasterCard and Visa can charge you for your merchant fees
and for your pay services, and they have mandated that

(01:12:49):
those costs need to reduce significantly by tens of millions,
which will have a cost reduction.

Speaker 2 (01:12:55):
Come on, Nicholae, it's nineteen million dollars it out of
about a billion. It's it's more change. And then add
on to that everything else that gets charged on top
of Visa and MasterCard, the retail banks. It's massive. That
made no difference. What are you going to change because
you cannot do this to small and medium sized businesses.

Speaker 9 (01:13:12):
It is a significant cost reduction. The second thing is
that we are expecting the Commerce Commission to work with
the banks to provide businesses much more clear, transparent and
easily comparable price information to allow businesses to negotiate with Nicholas.

Speaker 2 (01:13:28):
You will know, Nicola, come on, if you put this
on on businesses and you force them to absorb this
mid next year, midwinter, just before you go to the election,
you know you're going to lose voters.

Speaker 3 (01:13:37):
You can't do this.

Speaker 9 (01:13:38):
Well, here's the principled point, which I think is important.
We do know that consumers in New Zealand are currently
paying tens of millions and excess to charges. The Commerce
Commission have done a lot of work on this. We
have a culture in our country which I appreciate as
a consumer. Unlike some countries around the world, the price
you see on the tag is the price you pay

(01:13:58):
at the till, and you don't get to the till
and then have VAT added this charge and that charge.
And what that does is empowers consumers to know is
it cheaper here or down the road. And we don't
think that the merchant payWave schemes are enough of a
justification for changing that long standing practice. Now, individual retailers
will manage this in different ways, but we are confident

(01:14:19):
it can be managed and that the consumer will win
out of it and that small businesses will adapt.

Speaker 2 (01:14:24):
All right, now on the road cones tipline, Can I
implore you to get rid of this thing because it's pointless?

Speaker 9 (01:14:31):
Well, actually, you know Van Velden brought it in for
a reason. She went to her agency.

Speaker 2 (01:14:36):
Come on, you know it does nothing. You know that
all it does is it goes in checks that they've
got as many road cones laid out as the onerous
rules require them to. And it's costing us what is
it like four hundred thousand dollars to run the thing?
Get rid of it, save the money.

Speaker 9 (01:14:50):
Well here's the thing. So as a as a government,
the last government was spending seven hundred and eighty six
million dollars on temporary traffic management. Brought those costs down
massively for our own road projects. But what we've observed
is that a lot of councils around the country haven't done.

Speaker 2 (01:15:08):
That's why Bush's idea is fantastic. Right, So Bush is saying,
if you don't follow the rules and go for fewer cones,
we'rewithholding money. But which makes it makes Brooks tip line
just a performance so cut it well.

Speaker 9 (01:15:21):
Look it's belt embraces approach. Heither is what I would
describe it as. On the one hand, we are mandating
that for councils that they have to update their guidance
and their approach. And on the other hand, we're empowering
rate pays that if they see it looking bad, they
can tip us off and gives us a clear basis
on which to follow up.

Speaker 2 (01:15:39):
Right, Nichola, thanks very much, appreciate it. Look up yourself.
That's Nicola Willis the Finance Minister. Sixteen past six.

Speaker 1 (01:15:45):
It's the Heather dupas Allen Drive Full Show podcast on
my Heart Radio empowered by news dog Zebbi.

Speaker 2 (01:15:52):
Heather. The Commerce Commission will only adjust the interchange fees
only one part. It's only one part of the merchant
service fees. Banks will move things around and fees will
rise as will price increases to the consumer. I know this,
and this is what we need to understand. Those merchant
fees are billions of dollars in the economy every year.
What Nichola keeps telling us is, yes, but the ComCom

(01:16:14):
took ninety million out. Well what's ninety million when we're
talking about billions, it's nothing. Who cares? Hither Please ask
Nicola if she would reconsider what she's doing with the
bank charges, because like many people, I think it's not
going to work. Tried, Hither you one hundred percent correct,
read the voters and payWave. As a small business owner,
my first tick is blue and my second tick is yellow.
That's now two ticks yellow. It acts by the way,

(01:16:34):
National have seriously screwed their voters on this, I'll tell
you what's going on here, which I'm a little disappointed in.
Notice that I asked Nikola willis are you going to
reconsider it? And she wouldn't answer my question. It's a Instead,
what she's trying to do is just convince you that
they are doing the right thing. Just keep keep trying
to convince you. That's a very just cinder r dern approach.
To government. Don't you think where people are telling you, hey,

(01:16:56):
we don't like this, this is not going to work,
and you go, no, let me just con vince you
and convince you and convince you, and eventually you believe it.
It doesn't work. It didn't work for Jinda, It's not
going to work for Nichola six twenty Hell Duplessy La
Jane Solly Harbor Asset Management is with me? Hey, Shane, Hell, Hey,
what happened to the US markets on Friday night?

Speaker 5 (01:17:16):
Yeah, it's a bit of a week night on Friday,
US market down, shear market down one point six percent,
a bit of a combo head week, jobs week, lead
indicators on the economy, higher tariffs, lower than expectings, geopolitical tension,
you name it. It all got thrown in really pushed
the market around. The big one was a strop in
US jobs that became a seventy three thousand. There was

(01:17:38):
below expectations. But what really hit the market was the
numbers were really revised down from May and June. And
what it means is, instead of growing at the extent
that some politicians in the US might like you to believe,
the last three months only is in thirty five thousand
jobs at it. That's pretty weak. So they'd certainly pushed
the chances of a cut in official rates from the
US Federal Reserve. The markets who bond yours go down,

(01:18:02):
which is good for the cost of born, but unfortunately
the shear market went down with it.

Speaker 2 (01:18:07):
And Donald Trump has some strong views about the labor
data and the US Fed Reserve.

Speaker 5 (01:18:11):
He sure that he actually called the data fake, and
he's directed at the commissioner of the Bureau of Labor
Statistics to be fired. This poor lady's been trumped. He didn't.
Continued to lay into She'd Reserve chair Jerome Powell, continuing
to call on my moron, he did get one step
closer to getting a bit more control over the Fed.
A lady called Adrianna Klugler, who's a governor and the

(01:18:34):
Fed Reserve she resigned. That means the White House can
actually point somebody else to go win and that is
probably going to be the next Fed cheer.

Speaker 2 (01:18:42):
How did the local market respond to that volacility in
the US?

Speaker 5 (01:18:45):
Yeah, pretty pretty quiet, to be honest with you. Hit
the tenure goavernment. Barnes fell five basis points to four
point four eight percent, which is helpful. Sharmaker only down
about zero point three five percent. Our market's pretty defensive.
We're not as sensitive to some of that US markets up.

Speaker 2 (01:19:00):
What did you make of Brisco's profit update?

Speaker 5 (01:19:03):
Yeah, look, Brisco's great retailer came out with a slightly
lower number than they indicated pre earlier, in near twin
ize million for the half. This half, there's a thirdy
three earlier on Look what they said importantly here there
was Yeah, this half was below expectations, but the second
quarter is better. And what they're actually pointing to is
next the second the next half they're expecting a bit

(01:19:24):
of a pickup. So kind of a mixed message, but
getting better rather than worse. As I say, these guys
are the top in their game. Share price flat on
the day at six o one.

Speaker 2 (01:19:34):
Yeah, hey, good stuff. And what about tourism holdings And
what's the grounds for rejecting this takeover offer?

Speaker 3 (01:19:39):
Yeah?

Speaker 5 (01:19:39):
Yeah, really important one here so thl that this is
their recreational vehicle, the rental band operator. They were offered
a bid by BGH ten dollars thirty the boards connec.
So let's opportunistic. You're picking the bottom of the market.
And we think based on our analysis, the stock is
worth more than three dollars. Importantly, come out with a

(01:20:01):
strategy to actually lift the Uttern's a gross roadmap as
they're calling it, targeting one hundred mill of profit and
they've laid out some pretty meaningful changes the business. So yeah,
they're opened the board that you're open to negotiating with
BGH any other potential bidders. So the sheap price pretty flat,
up half a percent to two.

Speaker 2 (01:20:20):
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Speaker 2 (01:21:32):
News Talks be We're going to talk to Genesis Energy
just by the way, on the fact that they've managed
to get all the gentailors together and they're talking about
how they've agreed to stockpile of coal and just see
whether they're going to get the ComCom to sign off
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BUSINWS Australia's biggest night in television was last night, but
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(01:22:09):
the award for Most Popular New Talent for his work
hosting the Ossie version of his game show Guy Mont's Spellingbee.
Guy unapologetically took the award home for New Zealand. I'm
from New Zealand.

Speaker 4 (01:22:21):
I know so.

Speaker 8 (01:22:23):
I'm so sorry that to all of your country, but
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Speaker 3 (01:22:26):
We got one up on you this time.

Speaker 2 (01:22:29):
While appearing on Ozzie chat show, Cheap Seat, Guy poked
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They've graduated from those archaic methods to most Popular, which
means whichever nominee does the best job of promoting the
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Speaker 2 (01:22:45):
Other big winners on the night include Magada you know
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(01:23:06):
all right, listen the weird thing that happened at the
NAT Library.

Speaker 3 (01:23:09):
We're talking about it next, crunching the numbers and getting
the results.

Speaker 1 (01:23:14):
It's Heather dup c Allen with the Business Hour and
MAZ for Trusted Home Insurance Solutions News.

Speaker 3 (01:23:21):
Talks'd be.

Speaker 2 (01:23:30):
Get a load of this, you love technology. The UK
has just used its first unmanned police helicopter. How good
would that be? Because we've only got one of them,
but I've got lots of bad guys. How good would
it be if we just had drone helicopter's up there? Actually,
having said that out loud, that does freak me out.
So it does sound a little bit kind of you know, terminator.
But anyway, we'll have a chat to Gavin Gray about
it when he's with us shortly. It's twenty four away

(01:23:52):
from seven colt.

Speaker 3 (01:23:54):
Oh yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:23:55):
Huntley's power station is going to remain operational for the
next decade. The country's big four gente have signed a
deal and they're going to stockpile up to an extra
six hundred thousand tons of cold Huntley. They're hoping this
will protect against the energy crunches in the winter like
what happened last year. The ComCom still has to sign
off on this. Malcolm John's is the chief executive at
Genesis Energy.

Speaker 8 (01:24:13):
Hey Malcolm, good evening, How are you well think you know?

Speaker 2 (01:24:17):
Why did you want the other gent tailors to be
involved with you rather than going it alone?

Speaker 20 (01:24:22):
Well, in instance, the machine that we're talking about was
due to go into retirement in February next year, and
from a purely Genesis perspective that made sense. But from
a wider New Zealand perspective, there was a case to
invest in keeping that machine in play for another decade,
and so Genesis couldn't do that on its own, and
so we entered into a discussion with the others around

(01:24:47):
tow investment to keep that machine in play for energy
security for dry years and when the wind doesn't blow.

Speaker 2 (01:24:54):
So why does it make sense for you but not
for them?

Speaker 20 (01:24:58):
It makes sense for everybody, But effectively it's dealing with
system risk rather than Genesis risk, and so we couldn't
ask our shareholders to fund that on their own because
that would be writing an insurance policy for the broader system.
And so everyone going in together means that we collectively
share the cost of providing that system wise insurance.

Speaker 2 (01:25:18):
Malkilmer I write, and remembering correctly that it was just
last week that you guys were saying, you don't have
enough agreement, you might shut it down, and then suddenly
they've come to the party. Is that what has happened?

Speaker 20 (01:25:28):
I know we've been very care all the way through
that without an agreement, the machine would go into retirement.

Speaker 2 (01:25:33):
As originally, what I'm asking is when did you strike
this agreement?

Speaker 20 (01:25:37):
Well, we began discussions in February. In about two months
or about six weeks ago, we announced that we'd reached
an agreement on terms and conditions, and we were documenting
the contract at that point, and so't we weren't concerned
during the last six weeks in terms of the contract.
We just had to finalize it and sign it.

Speaker 2 (01:25:57):
Okay, I see, now how long does it? How you reckon,
it's going to take you to get through that six
hundred thousand tons?

Speaker 20 (01:26:03):
Well as Huntley, like last winter, has all three ranking
units running. It burns ten thousand tons a day, and
in essence, what happened is we ran out of coal
last winter or we came very close to running out
of coal last winter, and so the six hundred thousand
ton reserve just means that that won't happen again in
the future. And of course we bought the gas from

(01:26:25):
Methinex and Methinx closed for two months and it rained
two weeks later, and so having coal is much more flexible,
and that's why the coal reserve is beneficial.

Speaker 2 (01:26:35):
But that's only a couple of months. If if we're
going health for leather, it's a couple of months worth
of coal.

Speaker 20 (01:26:39):
A remember that it's in that six hundred thousand tons
is in addition to the normal coal spot pilot hunting,
which is five hundred thousand tons, So it gives you
a million tons of coal and effectively to run through
a dry period.

Speaker 2 (01:26:54):
Yeah, do you think the Comments Commission is going to
sign this off that half to I? I mean, otherwise
they'd be looking at power cups.

Speaker 20 (01:27:01):
Well, I would assume that they will take a normal
look at this through the Commerce Act. We believe, based
on the advice we have that it's appropriate, but it's
for then to take a look at it now and
decide whether it is or is in appropriate.

Speaker 2 (01:27:19):
We have spoken about in the past about shutting Huntley down.
But are we ever going to shut the old girl down?

Speaker 20 (01:27:25):
I think we need to talk about how we evolve Huntley.
It's the only power station that sits in between Auckland,
Hamilton and tod On. He It's New Zealand's largest power
station and it has an enormous connection to the grid.
And so the assets and fuels that Huntley will change
over the next next twenty five years. It's difficult to
see it shutting down completely.

Speaker 2 (01:27:46):
Yeah, brilliant, Hey, thank you, Malcolm appreciated. That's Malcolm John's
Genesis Energy chief executive. When you think about it later
that you think, why did we ever go there? Why
did we even discuss shutting her down? If she was
still working nineteen away from seven.

Speaker 3 (01:27:57):
Heather do for see Allen?

Speaker 2 (01:27:59):
Okay, tell me how weird this is? Because I reckon
this is quite weird. So this is the National Library
Young So there was a chap who was working for
the Department of Internal Affairs and he passed away very
sadly last week after a very short illness with cancer.
And what they were going to do was that they
were going to take his body to the National Library

(01:28:22):
and have a service there, and then they were going
to close the National Library to the public while they
had a service there with his body there. Anyway, it
got stopped, and I don't know why it got so,
it's not clear whether the minister stopped it or whether
they just at some point realized maybe it's a bit
weird if we bring in some guy's body. I don't know.
It's hard to know whether the Minister did an intervene

(01:28:45):
or just, you know, they realized the situation. Anyway, they
decided that they would instead take his body to the
Government Department, the DIA, and do it there, which is
still kind of an interesting decision, don't you think. Anyway,
Brook van Velden, as I said, hard to know whether
she stopped it as the Internal Affairs Minister, but she said,
I have expressed my view to the Chief Executive that
I do not believe it was appropriate to plan to

(01:29:06):
close the National Library for this purpose, nor for a
deceased person to be present at the department's offices, and
he has assured me that that will not happen again.
I'd actually come to now that I've read it out loud,
it does sound rather like it's after the fact day,
like they realized, oh, yeah, no, maybe maybe we shouldn't.
Maybe we shouldn't do it at the National Library, We'll
just do it at the offices, which they did, and

(01:29:27):
then she she got wind of it, and then she
was like, hey, what and and after the fact she said,
don't do that. That is quite weird.

Speaker 17 (01:29:36):
Day.

Speaker 8 (01:29:36):
That's I mean, yeah, I assume they must have done
it with the guy's consent, right, So how much would
you have to love your work to be okay with
them having your funeral at the office if you died?
If you die, absolutely not. You're not bringing me in here. No,
you couldn't want to say that. It's not that I
don't like my job here, but yeah, no you're not.
You're not plumking my coffin here on this on the
studio desk and holding a service.

Speaker 2 (01:29:58):
Because we'd have to turn the station off.

Speaker 8 (01:30:00):
Well I was gonna, yeah, I was gonna say, we
only have the one controlled their skin here, So yeah,
because we couldn't.

Speaker 2 (01:30:04):
Work around your body, which is obviously what's happening.

Speaker 8 (01:30:06):
We're in an open plan office, so everyone who was
working on the floor would have to be part of
the funeral.

Speaker 2 (01:30:11):
I don't think. No, I don't. I don't think. I
mean I love my job. I don't. I do, And
I love the people I work with.

Speaker 8 (01:30:19):
Yeah, me and Laura would do great eulogies for you
as well. Nothing to worry about that.

Speaker 2 (01:30:22):
But I think I reckon. By the time I've kicked
the can, I've spent enough time here, do you know
what I mean? I don't think that that's the last
thing at last place I want to be. I reckon.

Speaker 5 (01:30:31):
Yeah.

Speaker 8 (01:30:32):
Not a fan of the library either for me either,
like the library, but not for that.

Speaker 2 (01:30:36):
But weird, but weird. Seventeen away from seven, whether it's macro.

Speaker 1 (01:30:41):
Micro or just playing economics, it's all on the Business
Hour with Heather Duplicy, Allen and Mas for.

Speaker 3 (01:30:48):
Trusted Home Insurance Solutions Use Talks.

Speaker 2 (01:30:51):
Be Oh hey, I mean to tell you this earlier.
Do you see the latest on the Sydney Sweeney controversy
over the Jeans ad, you know, the good Jean's ad
that's got everybody calling her a Nazi and a fascist
and stuff like that. She's a registered Republican. So that's
just all the haters, all the ones who said they're
going you got your cleavage out I hate it. Well,
they're going to hate it even more registered last year
with the party fourteen away from Steven. Devin Gray is

(01:31:12):
our UK correspondent. Hey, Devin, Hi, haven't had that right?
How's the weather looking then?

Speaker 22 (01:31:18):
Well, I would say it's our summer. It's lovely and
sunny and it's okay, but we are in for a
big storm here in the UK, unseasonably strong winds potentially
in Scotland up to one hundred and sixty kilometers an hour.
That's one hundred miles an hour, but even Inland, I
mean most of that damage that course could be on
the coast. Even in Land, they're expecting one hundred and

(01:31:39):
ten kilometers per hour down into the north of England,
even as far as the Midlands. In fact, everyone's going
to be feeling it brisk and breezy today right across
the UK, but it's particularly in Scotland where there is
concern of dangers to life and damages to buildings and
trees being brought down. So it's a warning that's been

(01:32:00):
graded to amber. We have a different sort of traffic
like system here for those strength.

Speaker 3 (01:32:04):
Of warm storms.

Speaker 22 (01:32:05):
This is storm florists and plenty of people are saying, gosh,
you know what on earth is going on at this
time of year. But people are being warned not to travel.
So on the railways there are going to be speed
restrictions and some cancelations are likely Scottish the ferry operator
issuing a series of cancelations saying do not travel unless
you really need to. Motorists being urged to slow down.

(01:32:27):
And it's very last year. Storm Lilian struck on the
twenty third of August, just before a bank holiday weekend.
Maybe this is the new weather system we're getting.

Speaker 2 (01:32:37):
Maybe, so, hey, tell me about this police drone, well unnamed,
unmanned chopper. Did it go okay?

Speaker 3 (01:32:44):
Yeah?

Speaker 22 (01:32:44):
Now they've been testing this so this apparently is going
to become a blended operational air thing. In other words,
there will still be manned helicopter flights for the police.
But this they reckon is another very good use of
aircraft here. This is a remotely controlled, piloted aircraft, but

(01:33:05):
it is unmanned. In other words, the pilots are actually
on the ground. They'll be one pilot and also a spotter.
Now one in three callouts for the National Police Air
Service are for missing people and the aircraft that this got,
This unmanned one is particularly useful for that. First of all,

(01:33:26):
it can travel for much longer, up to twelve hours
in the air. Secondly, it's far more environmentally friendly and
it also is much quieter. And what they reckon is
that for the search for many people, you can do
that on the ground with this unmanned helicopter. And they say,
you know, it's got all the equipment, all the different

(01:33:48):
cameras and stuff you normally have, but it can all
be done from the ground. So something they're trialing over
the Bristol Channel and something that could come into force,
but I suspect in well, probably a couple of years time.

Speaker 2 (01:33:58):
Yeah, brilliant stuff the sound of it.

Speaker 21 (01:34:00):
Now.

Speaker 2 (01:34:00):
Does it sound to you like the story, this report
that Prince Harry gave Prince Andrew bloody knows as nonsense?

Speaker 22 (01:34:07):
Well, there are lots of not holes in the argument,
but there are lots of that seems a little unlikely.
This is a new book entitled The Rise and Fall
of the House of York. Of course the Duke of
York is Prince Andrew. There are claims in it that
effectively that Prince Harry and Prince Andrew had had a
fight at a family gathering back in twenty thirteen, alleging

(01:34:30):
that punches were thrown over something that Prince Andrew had
said behind Prince Harry's back. This, according to the author
Andrew Lowney, now we've got over at night our time,
in the last.

Speaker 21 (01:34:42):
Few hours, we've got a.

Speaker 3 (01:34:47):
This is not true.

Speaker 22 (01:34:48):
Prince Harry's office has denied this story completely, but apparently
the allegation surfaces that they were. Harry told his uncle
Prince Andrew that he had heard Andrew saying things behind
his back, and that he told Prince Andrew allegedly that
he was a coward not to say these things to

(01:35:08):
his face. And then by all accounts, there was a
bit of a scuffle and Prince Andrew was allegedly left
with a bloody nose before the fight was broken up.
All very exciting the source, and the book also suggests
that the moment Prince William takes over from the King,
he will immediately kick out of their grace and favor

(01:35:29):
home Prince Andrew and Sarah Ferguson. The book describes how
Prince William loathes Sarah Ferguson allegedly and can't wait for
the day when he can kick them both out.

Speaker 2 (01:35:41):
Lovely. Sound like a really, really joyful family. Hey, thank
you very much, Kevin appreciated. Gevin Gray, are you UK correspondent? Hey?
By the way, I mean to say this earlier. Did
you realize that insid on Era is now giving money
to reality TV? It's been announced that they are giving
one point basically one point five to The Traitors, which
is going to be on TV three point three to
five to Celebrity Treasure Island, which is gonna be on TVNS. Now, look,

(01:36:05):
beggars can't be choosers. We don't have a lot of
good TV anymore, do we, So we're having to fund
this kind of crap. But do you would you not
rather have your taxpayer money go And I don't want
any of my taxpayer money going on any of the
snots and spar including what I'm about to say. But
if you had to absolutely put your taxpayer money into Telly,
wouldn't you rather it was paying to broadcast the netball

(01:36:27):
so that the netballers could keep the remainder of their
money and you know, not have to get part time jobs.
Wouldn't you prefer that to Treasure Island and the traitors
ain't away from seven.

Speaker 3 (01:36:40):
It's the Heather too.

Speaker 1 (01:36:41):
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Speaker 2 (01:36:47):
I'd actually like my taxpayer money back? Me too, me too,
I would. I would at the stage like my taxpayer
money back. I don't see any value in this. Hey, now,
do you remember that Elizabeth Kitty Kitty? Did you rever
that bat from the past. She was the Green MP
who dressed entirely in purple. Do you remember she was
the one who sent the text, the cry baby text,

(01:37:09):
and then the Greens were act she was being made
to Chloe and she called Chloe a crybaby. I think
she actually did. I don't actually think she called Chloe
a crybaby. I think she's calling herself a cry baby.
But I think it suited them to get rid of
Elizabeth because she does sound challenging, challenging to work with.
So maybe they were like, oh, you sent it about yourself,
but whatever, we're going to use this anyway. Mind never mind,

(01:37:30):
I'm getting off track here. Do you remember Elizabeth? Because
Elizabeth is now running for the Gisban District Council in
the Maldi Wards she filed her application, she says, thankfully,
with eighteen minutes to spare so she could get in there.

Speaker 10 (01:37:42):
Now.

Speaker 2 (01:37:43):
I can't be unhappy about that because we don't have
enough people standing for these ridiculous seats, and by ridiculous
I mean anything local body. At the moment, I can't
be ungrateful. At least we've got a warm body in
the seat there. But Elizabeth is back, yet another central
body politician coming to local body because it didn't work

(01:38:04):
for them in central government. Anyway, there you go. There's
your update on on former MPs ants.

Speaker 8 (01:38:09):
Who do you think you are? By the Spice girls
to play us out tonight? It's so scary, Spice Melb.
She has gotten married. She's gotten married to Rory mcpee,
a hair stylist in Morocco. If you think that headline
sounds familiar, it's probably because she's already married to Rory.

Speaker 20 (01:38:22):
Sure.

Speaker 8 (01:38:23):
Her and Rory got married a month ago in London
and clearly enjoyed the wedding experience so much that they
thought they'd just do it again.

Speaker 2 (01:38:28):
They did the spiritual one in Morocco, didn't they?

Speaker 14 (01:38:30):
Yeah?

Speaker 8 (01:38:30):
Oh, okay, right? So was that a five star hotel?
Selman Marrakesh, So sounds incredibly spiritual.

Speaker 2 (01:38:35):
Now did you think what I think thought when I
looked at the.

Speaker 8 (01:38:38):
Pictures, those look like some very rich, happy people.

Speaker 2 (01:38:42):
No, I thought, for a hair dresser, your hair is
a bit shite all did you not think that? I mean, look,
I'm not in a position to judge, because.

Speaker 12 (01:38:48):
Is what I mean.

Speaker 8 (01:38:49):
I have a number two all over, so I can't
really talk.

Speaker 2 (01:38:51):
And I'm a mum, So who cares. Whatever, whatever happens
is what you get. But he's a hairdresser, and that's
a shy haircut. You have a look at it.

Speaker 8 (01:38:58):
Well, maybe you can't cut your own here, right, So
maybe he just can't find anyone who to the standards.

Speaker 2 (01:39:02):
Yeah, maybe he hasn't got a good hea dresser anyway.

Speaker 22 (01:39:05):
Maybe.

Speaker 8 (01:39:06):
Yeah, it must be frustrated.

Speaker 2 (01:39:07):
It sucks for him. Okay, see you tomorrow

Speaker 1 (01:40:15):
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