Full Show Podcast: 11 August 2025

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Speaker 1 (00:03):
Digging through the spin spens to find the real story story.
It's Heather Dupersy on drive with one New Zealand let's
get connected news dogs.

Speaker 2 (00:13):
That'd be.

Speaker 3 (00:15):
Hey, good afternoon, Welcome to the show. Coming up today.
Ozzie has just announced it will recognize a Palestinian state
next month. So what are we gonna do? Will christ
Church's News Stadium actually be ready in time for the
Super Rugby Super Round which happens next April. We've got
Chris Hopkins on the poll out this morning and Nikola willis,
as always on a Monday.

Speaker 4 (00:32):
After six, Heather Duperyl.

Speaker 3 (00:34):
Okay, so let's talk about this political poll. National as
behind Labor. Nationals on thirty two, Labours on thirty four. Now,
this is not the first time that National has fallen
behind Labor since the last since the last election. The
first time it happened was November last year. Then it
happened again in January twice. Then it happened again in
March twice. Then it happened in May, then it happened

(00:55):
twice in June, and then it happened twice just in
the last month. Now it is becoming more and more
frequent that this is happening, and if you see it
in its graph form, it's actually quite arresting what's going
on here. This is not an aberration. This is a
trend of National consistently losing ground and Labor consistently making
up ground. And this has been happening since the election,
but it really started to gather steam at the start

(01:16):
of this year. Now I do not think that Labor
will win the next election because I think their bedfellows
and the Greens and the Mary Party are just way
too nutty. I don't think enough people will want to
vote for Labor. But National should be worried because these
polls show that enough voters don't want to vote for
National either, because right now they are profoundly disappointing, aren't they.

(01:36):
I mean, answer me this question. What has this government
done to help the economy? Apart from the investment tax
boost incentive in the budget? In mate, what have they
actually done? I feel like the answer is nothing. Yes,
this economy was shot when they took it over. It's
not their fault. But their election promise was to get
it back on track. But in order to get it
back on track, you actually have to do something and

(01:57):
they've done nothing, thus spending more than grant, are running
deficits from here until basically the end of their possible term,
and they're making announcements of things that they might want
to do sometime in the future, but they're not doing
it just yet. If there is a vibe in this
country right now, especially in places like Auckland and Wellington,
it's a vibe that I reckon kicked in about five
or six weeks ago, properly, just after the halfway mark

(02:19):
of this government's electoral term, when people realized, you know what,
we're halfway through and they've done nothing, and this economy
still sucks, and that I think is what you're seeing
in this poll, just a lot of disappointment.

Speaker 4 (02:32):
Heather duplasy Ellen, I'm nice t night.

Speaker 3 (02:38):
Here is the text. Understand it. Text fees apply hitnear
with what you think. Obviously very sober on that. Shortly now,
a new report has found that our heart health system
is on the verge of collapse. According to the Ministry
of Health Data, there are fewer than one hundred and
eighty cardiologists and cardiac stuff in the whole country, and
none at all in places like tide Arfty Lakes or Funganui.
Heart disease is responsible for twenty cent of all deaths

(03:00):
in this country costs US more than thirteen billion dollars
a year. Doctor Richard Sullivan is Health New Zealand's chief
Clinical officer and with us, Hey, Richard good head, do
you think we have enough staff dealing with hearts in
this country?

Speaker 5 (03:14):
I'll look first at to point out report. I think
some great news in there that what we've seen over
the last twenty years is a significant reduction and death
from heart disease and the significant production in our hospitalizations.
But you know, we see a lot of work to do,
particularly in the space of our heart skins, so what
we call into cardiograms, and so that is a key

(03:36):
challenge for us. We've got some of our regions that
are well staffed in become a heart cardioc space, the
Northern region for instance, bus other areas as you've mentioned, Tatapati,
Taranaki whereby we do have challenges in our workforce in
those spaces.

Speaker 3 (03:53):
Yeah. Do you think the lack of cardiac staff in
those areas that you just named is directly responsible for
the death?

Speaker 5 (04:01):
Well, look, it's more complicated than that. When you think
about heart disease, it's really the risk factors that I'm just.

Speaker 3 (04:08):
Point something out to you. The areas with the highest
heart disease death rates tier Arfterity Lakes, fung Luis and
Taranaki have the fewest cardiac stuff. That seems like that's
a causation, isn't it.

Speaker 5 (04:21):
Yeah, I'm not sure I quite draw that bow. There's
no doubt that. I mean, in those populations you have
just described, we see higher rates of diabetes, we see
higher rates of other I guess those respectives that lead
to heart disease. And so yeah, super important because it's
about that primary care access first, you know, so people
can get seen, we can mitigate those risks. But the
problem is as once you've got heart disease then absolutely

(04:44):
you know, having the right access to services is super
important to try and minimize it on going harm from
once you've got establish heart disease. So there's a trying
to reduce some prevent the risk and then there's okay,
I've got it, and I I've got the right services
to make sure that I get the best scare.

Speaker 3 (04:58):
Do we have enough full time cardiologists or any type
of cardiologists in this country.

Speaker 5 (05:05):
Look, as I mentioned, in some spaces we do and
others the whole.

Speaker 3 (05:09):
Country, Richard, do we have enough in the country because
the answers don't make all I'm worried about.

Speaker 6 (05:16):
I'm not sure.

Speaker 5 (05:17):
I'm not being weird. I'm not sure it is because
it's not about just that cardiologists. So we have lots
of people deliver heart health care. So in an area
it's like one going we don't have any cardiologists, may.

Speaker 3 (05:29):
Just treat people with respect, right, rather than spinning us.
We have got thirty two point eight full time equivalent
cardiologists per million people, which is less than a third
of the average in European countries. That's not enough.

Speaker 5 (05:43):
I'm not suggesting that, you know, we always need more
to help workforce either. I guess what I'm trying.

Speaker 3 (05:49):
To say that Why don't you say, no, we don't
have enough. Actually, what we need is some more and
we need some more cash to be able to do that,
because that's the actual answer, isn't it.

Speaker 5 (05:58):
Just so I know, I don't agree with you. I
think now it's far more complicated network. You know, we
need we need more eco technicians. We're working hard to
do that. We need more cartact physiologists. We need more
you know, nurse practitioners advanced as specialist. So so we
need the workforce to deliver heart health. But really importantly
we also need to reduce the risk of heart health.

(06:18):
And you know that's all this report shows. It shows
we're making roads, but we've got significant variations you will
have seen in the report, which is a real concern.
You know, we still see a Maoripacific having Tuton's greater
risk of harm from heart disease. We see these regions,
these rural spaces you've described, So it's really that focus
and you know we are you know, trying to improve

(06:40):
the opportunity here. So Tarapity, as I say, is a
really good example. We've been working really closely with that
region and we're looking at joint appointments because we've really
struggled to recruit cardiologists into startraarity. So looking at joint
depointment between White Cato and Tiapity, Well, no, it's not
no one's to live here. It's about it's about that
kind of level of care. Because if you're cardiologists these days,

(07:02):
they get more specialized, so they might be involved in
putting stints all the mabor doing other things, so being
able to do that as well as work in that
community because where we don't put stints in that space,
you know. So it's about that kind of connection, so
you can make those roles and those jobs across regions
and that's one of the real opportunities we think we
have our We've got a national heart network which is

(07:24):
trying to address many of these challenges. So you know,
we've established national guidelines around ECHO. We've set up this
New Zealand training program because all our e technicians used
to train in Queensland and so they wouldn't come back.
So you know, we're putting a real investment in the
spaces where we see the greatest need. A lot to
your original question, we need more people, but we need
to focus on the area.

Speaker 3 (07:45):
Yes we do. Now very quickly, what's going on with
you people charging this much money on parking? Are you
comfortable with that?

Speaker 5 (07:53):
So look, we're we're about the national parking policy and
I think I can say is that that the issue
are raised, that's been paused while we just review what
is the right model.

Speaker 7 (08:04):
Coming out?

Speaker 5 (08:06):
I can't answer that either. I'll say soon, but I
can't give you a date.

Speaker 3 (08:10):
Thanks, Richard, I appreciate your time. Thanks so much for
coming on. That's Richard Sullivan, who is doctor Richard Sutherland,
Health New Zealand's Chief Clinical Officer's Quarter Pass four.

Speaker 1 (08:19):
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Speaker 3 (08:27):
Hither, I totally agree with you. I can't vote national
might just not vote at all. They are all hopeless. Hither,
I totally agree with you. What do we do? Do
we put those nutcase Greens and Malti Party and Labor
back in power, they'll completely kill us country. We won't
have a country to say, It goes on and on
and on. So yeah, as to the people who say, Heather,
what a load of crap you're talking. I've lost count
of the number of initiatives this government has introduced, send

(08:49):
me that list that you've lost count of. Please and
brackets just on the economy, because that's what we're talking about.
Send me that list so that I can refer to
that as well, because the list has got one thing
on it for me at the moment. Eighteen par for sport.

Speaker 1 (09:01):
With tab in play with real time odds and stats.
Sorry eighteen bit responsibly.

Speaker 3 (09:06):
Jason Pines, sports talkhosters at Mad Piney Heather how good Grace.
Minutes later, Grace is included in the squad.

Speaker 8 (09:15):
It's it must have been the quickest ever approval of
an eligibility exemption in the history of sport. You know,
as soon as the rules changed, Grace Wiki got her
eligibility request for an exemption in Look, if there was
any delay at themt Born New Zealand headquarters, I'd be
very surprised. Rubber stamp that get her in the team.
And look, I am very very pleased that this has

(09:37):
played out the way that it has because a year
ago when grace Wiki said, look, I'm going to go
and play in Australia because I want to improve myself
as a player, there was no guarantee that you'd be
able to play for New Zealand again unless the eligibility
rules were examined and changed. They have been the Grace
Wiki rule, we'll call it from now on, and good
to see that sanity has prevailed.

Speaker 9 (09:55):
Now.

Speaker 3 (09:56):
There are rumors right that the likes of Karen Berger
are also going to go over and lay over in
Australia and still be selected of the silver ferns. Are
you hearing that kind of thing?

Speaker 8 (10:03):
I am yep, and I think it will happen. I
think this opens up the not the floodgates, that's the
wrong word, but it certainly opens the door for others
to do the same. They're not all going to get
a gig over there, Heather. Let's not forget that that's
a really strong competition in Australia with a lot of
good Australian players. But yeah, the likes of Karen Berger
maybe a few others will be looking across there and saying, okay,

(10:24):
well now I know that playing there doesn't affect myself
a fern's eligibility. I'll have a bit of a closer
look at it. So we'll wait and see how many
do actually make that move.

Speaker 3 (10:32):
Right, So this is the end for the Warriors in
terms of the top four.

Speaker 8 (10:35):
Feels like it a even though they're in one point
outside the top four, the top four at the moment
just feel like the top four. They're playing that way. Raiders, Storm, Bulldogs, Panthers,
the Warriors, much as they are still you know, mathematically
absolutely a chance, they're just not playing like a top
four team. At the moment. Injuries have played their part, obviously,
but three consecutive defeats. The only shred of I guess

(10:58):
or you know, the sliver of hope is that the
teams in the top four all have to play one
another to varying degrees, so they'll take points off one another.
If the Warriors were able to string a late season
run together and win their last four games, they might
still be a chance, but they're gonna have to play
a heck of a lot bitter than they have been.

Speaker 3 (11:16):
What do you think about the news that tomoighty Marsin
has signed again.

Speaker 8 (11:19):
Yeah, I'm pleased. You know, a good player, If you
keep a good player at your club, I think you're happy.
He must have been convinced that he was going to
get a decent crack, because at the start of the
season everybody thought luc Metcalff, you know, might have to
wait in line behind to Mighty Martin. He would be
given the seven jumper hasn't been, so yeah, he must
have been convinced by Andrew Webster that his opportunities would
continue to be forthcoming. So yeah, it's a good piece

(11:41):
of business.

Speaker 3 (11:41):
Listen, just really quickly, are you worried at all about
the Super Rugby super Round being played at the new
stadium and Christ it's just like days after they get
handed the keys.

Speaker 8 (11:50):
Nah, I can't wait.

Speaker 4 (11:51):
I can't wait for it.

Speaker 3 (11:52):
Yeah, your total confidence this will be okay?

Speaker 8 (11:55):
Are you worried we're gonna have to go out to
Eddington out of.

Speaker 10 (11:58):
That Apollo projects for super Round?

Speaker 4 (12:01):
Imagine?

Speaker 8 (12:02):
Oh sorry it's not quite ready.

Speaker 3 (12:03):
Ye yeah, this does happen. Thank you, pony, appreciate it.
Jason listened to him, chortling away. Jason Pine SportsTalk coasting
be back at seven this evening. I'm worried about it
because I'm not on the timeline is not totally totally clear,
but takaha. The stadium is supposed to be finished in
early April next year and then the super Round will
be played from April twenty four to April twenty six.

(12:25):
Now look, I don't know if you have ever had
a renovation done, or a pool puddin, or a deck built,
or a house built, or frankly anything that involves builders.
But when they say to you, year, mate, we done
in April to I'm worry about it, you should be
thinking November. It does take that long. So when they
say they're going to hand the keys over to the
stadium in early April and then they're gonna they're already

(12:47):
sending out the invitations for the housewarming, which is going
to be happening with the Super Round, I start to
get a little bit nervous, don't you. Anyway, the christ
Chuch people will be with us and just under an
how they'll we'll gauge their level of confidence about this.

Speaker 4 (13:01):
Moving the big stories of the day forward.

Speaker 1 (13:03):
An it's Heather dupic on drive with One New Zealand
let's get connected news talks.

Speaker 4 (13:09):
That'd be Oh dear lord.

Speaker 3 (13:11):
It looks like JD. Vance's latest efforts to shut down
the Epstein files thing has completely backfired on him. So
he gave a week an interview to Fox at the
weekend and he was accusing the Democrats of going to
Epstein Island. The whole time he didn't say who, but
you know, Democratic leaders have been visiting Epstein as well,
and they're just being opportunistic because they didn't release the
files when they could have released the files when they

(13:31):
were in government, and blah blah blah. Problem is obviously,
what then happened was people started clipping out what he
said in this interview about the need for the Democrats
to be transparent and so on, posted it on social
media and they've just started a play and then with
the caption released the Epstein files. So just putting so
much more pressure on Trump to release the files on
account of the fact that JD Vance talked about it again.

(13:53):
Four twenty six, Heather Do for CLA Australia one and
a half hours ago announced this is Anthony Albanesi announced
that he would be recognizing a Palestinian state when it
goes to the UN next month. This has now got
piling pressure on Winston Peters to answer the question as
to whether we will be doing the same thing. The
Prime Minister, Christopher Luxin is holding his usual post cabinet

(14:14):
press conference at the moment, has been asked about it.

Speaker 11 (14:16):
It's a very complex issue because it's all very well
recognizing the state, but what comes next that is the
critical question. And so you know, those are the things
that we need to think through and work our way
through as we come to a very considered and deliberate
decision about our position on it.

Speaker 3 (14:32):
Sounds like and this wouldn't be IFR fetch sounds like
it's possible. Albanesi has been lobbying Luxeon about this.

Speaker 4 (14:38):
Over the last week.

Speaker 11 (14:39):
I've spoken with Promise, our President Macron, I've spoken with
Promise to Starma. I've spoken obviously with Anthony on this issue.
You know, we talked about it again while we were
together over the weekend.

Speaker 3 (14:52):
Got a little bit all quard in Is asked who
we have been consulting from the Palestinian side.

Speaker 4 (14:56):
Who did New Zealand.

Speaker 1 (14:58):
Talk to of the Palastine inside.

Speaker 12 (15:03):
I promise.

Speaker 11 (15:06):
Minister Peters has actually spoken to over and over. He's
had a number of interactions actually with the Palestinian side,
and you know, over and over actually have a number
of years now.

Speaker 3 (15:17):
If we do go ahead and do it, and I
suspect we're going to have to to be honest because
the UK is doing it, Canada is doing it, Australia
is doing it, so we can hardly be the guys
going no, we're not going to do this. If we
do do it, there will have to be some caveats, right,
there would have to be strings attached to it. So yes,
we'll recognize a Palestinian state can't be run by hamas
can't be run by the Palestinian authority something like that.
Let's have a chat about that after five o'clock. Also,

(15:38):
Barry Soaple will give us his thoughts when he's with
us just before five. News is next, what window?

Speaker 4 (15:53):
What windows?

Speaker 1 (16:05):
Recapping the day's big news and making tomorrow's headlines. It's
hither duplicy Ellen drive with one New Zealand let's get
connected news talk, sa'd be.

Speaker 3 (16:27):
I didn't know this? Did you know that you can
get treats for giving blood? Anyway, I've talked to you
about that, because I'll tell you about that later. Ants
came in with a sticker on his arm and then
he will revealed everything to me when I asked him
what was going on why he was giving so much
blood lately? Nikola Willis is going to be with us
after six o'clock. I have to be a person of
principle and actually ask her if she's going to get
rid of the grocery commissioner because I was winging about

(16:48):
it last week, so I'm gonna have to ask her
that question. I think she's actually in London and is
still going to be talking to us, So that is
how much of a good bird she is so anyway,
she's with us after six o'clock. Now is this not?

Speaker 4 (16:58):
Is this not?

Speaker 3 (17:00):
Is this not the best thing that you have heard
all day?

Speaker 13 (17:04):
I mean, I'm really interested in holding the finance bought folio.

Speaker 7 (17:06):
Keley.

Speaker 3 (17:08):
Reach for the stars, girl, reach for why not? You
know what? You we all need some stretch goals in
our life. I want to be a billionaire and Chloe wants.

Speaker 9 (17:17):
I mean, I'm really interested in holding the Finance boot
folio Keley.

Speaker 3 (17:20):
I just want to point out this is Chloe who
did one time say out loud, what even is the economy?
And then also said this capitalism is pretty cook right.

Speaker 13 (17:30):
Capitalism is centered around prioritizing profit above the well being
of people and planet.

Speaker 3 (17:35):
Centered on Chloe, centered on twenty three away from five, it's.

Speaker 1 (17:39):
The world wires on news talks, they'd be drive for.

Speaker 3 (17:43):
Al Jazeera journalists and Gaza have been killed in an
Israeli strike. The Israeli government has accused one of the
reporters of being a member of Kamas. Al Jazeera and
the Committee to Protect Journalists both say this is not true.
Al Jazeera anchor Schehab Ratanzi says the idea is clearly
trying to stop news getting out about atrocities in Gaza.

Speaker 9 (18:01):
And the specifically our Gaza City team, the Aldersur Gaza
City Team was about to report on the atrocities to
come as well begins it's operation in Gaza City. This
is clearly this is clearly all perhaps connected.

Speaker 3 (18:17):
Right as we've discussed, the Aussie government has announced that
it will recognize Palestine as a state. Australia considers COMMASI
terrist group, but the Home Affairs Minister says that's no
reason not to recognize Palestine.

Speaker 14 (18:27):
They there have frequently been countries where part of that
nation has been occupied by a terrorist group and we
haven't ceased to recognize the country.

Speaker 3 (18:40):
And finally, a man in Austria has been arrested after
he clung to the outside of a train while the
train was in motion. So what happened was he was
mid journey, he got off the train at the station
for a bit of a ciggie break. That took a
little bit too long, as his train took off without him.
He jumped into the space between the two carriages and
he was able to reboard after the train made an
emergency stop. He was completely unhurt, but he did get

(19:02):
a bollocking from the train conductor and he was led
away by police when he reached his destination.

Speaker 1 (19:07):
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Speaker 3 (19:13):
Oliver Peterson, six PR Perth Life Presenters with us Ali
Hey Heather. I can not at all a surprise that
Albanizi has taken this position, right.

Speaker 15 (19:21):
It's not a surprise, and he said he had a
very short and sharp conversation with Benjamin Ettnia who in
the last couple of days. But Australia will recognize the
right of the Palestinian people to a state of their own,
which is predicated on the commitments Australia's received from the
Palestine authority. Prime Minister arguing that this is the best
chance for peace in Gaza and he will take this

(19:42):
to the United Nations General Assembly in New York next
month when that official recognition will be made. He's made
it very clear there is to be no role of
Hamas in any Palestinian state moving forward. But a big
change I suppose in what Australia is acknowledging a Palestinian
state and policy direction that the governments. Prime Minister though,

(20:02):
was saying again that this is the best chance for
peace and that he will be taking this forward.

Speaker 3 (20:08):
Is he going to get broad support for this or not?

Speaker 15 (20:11):
Look, I think he will get I don't know. That's
a very very good question that you ask, Heather, because
he will get broad support within his own rank and file. Yes,
the opposition is already saying you cannot do this, and
I think Australians are on the fence with this at
the moment. I do believe that a lot of Australians

(20:32):
are very concerned about what he's continuing to go on
in Gaza at the moment. But I think it's a
little bit I hate to say this out of side,
out of mind for a lot of Australians at the moment.
It's been going on for so long that it just
it almost unfortunately gets swept under the carpet, which it
shouldn't be done. But this is a bold statement obviously
the Prime Minister, and as I said, he's been under
an internal pressure even going back to the days of

(20:54):
the former Foreign Minister Bob Carr. He put this forward
back in twenty fourteen at the Labor National Conference and
he's been advocating at every opportunity that this would happen.
So I think it'll be very interesting and you know
when I jump on with my show a little later
today here on six pou be very interesting to hear
what the talk back in the feedback's like.

Speaker 3 (21:11):
Did we get much detail on what that phone call
with BB was like.

Speaker 15 (21:15):
No, he wouldn't go into much detail at all, other
than he's had the call. He's let him know what
he thinks and why this is going to happen. He
said that countries like Australia that as you've heard now
Benjamin Etna, who's come out and criticized that in Albanese
for that, saying to have European countries and Australia march
into that rabbit hole just like that. He's disappointing and
it's actually shameful. So Penny Wog our Foreign Minister, she's

(21:39):
also been on the phone to Marco Rubio of the
Trump administration to let him know. And obviously, as we know,
we are in a very interesting situation politically with the
Trump administration over the Orchest Deal. Whether this declaration by
the Australian governments in any way jeopardizes any of that,
or did it have any conversations with the Trump administr

(22:00):
before at the Albanize he made that call this morning.

Speaker 3 (22:02):
Hey, I am shocked that your evs don't pay road
user charges.

Speaker 4 (22:07):
Well, see, we're copying you.

Speaker 3 (22:08):
We're copying what you're doing in u Z.

Speaker 4 (22:10):
So we're going to look at that.

Speaker 15 (22:11):
We've got that big round table, this whole Productivity Commission
roundtable thing that a Jim Chalmers is trying to get
everybody talking about what we can do to make the
country more productive.

Speaker 4 (22:20):
He wants to scrap.

Speaker 15 (22:21):
The fuel excise and put on that road user charge,
which I know you announced in New Zealand just last week.
I assume we're probably going to be basically copying what
you are doing, because that's what we do. New Zealand
does something good, we take it, we do it, we
claim it as our own. So the idea is that
we'll get rid of the fifty one point six cents
I lead a fuel excise. And yeah, the EV's obviously,

(22:42):
I mean everyone's buying evs at hybrids at the moment,
so you have to pay a bit more. But you
know what, I think it's fair. You use the roads,
you pay for it.

Speaker 3 (22:50):
Mate, It's beyond fair. Those things are pothole makers. I
totally think so holy heavy, yees, so heavy mate. Thank
you so much. It's lovely to talk to you as always.
Oliver Peterson, six PR Perth Live. This is what Bob
had to say about Australia.

Speaker 16 (23:02):
They know that what they would do if right next
to Melbourne or right next to Sydney you had this
horrific attacks. I think you would do it at least
what we're doing. Probably maybe not as efficiently and as
a precision as precisely as we're doing it.

Speaker 3 (23:19):
Anyway, that's a thing, isn't it. We'll talk about that
after five o'clock. Brilliant Listen, I've got to bring you
some good news. I want to talk to you about
this new It feels it's hard to talk about Garza
and then talk about anything else. I'm going to take
a break, but we're going to come back and talk
about this luxury hotel they're building in Queenstown, seventeen away
from five.

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Speaker 3 (23:41):
For senior political correspondence with us how Barry, Good afternoon, Heather.
What do you make that opinion poll?

Speaker 2 (23:46):
Well, what I've made of all the opinion polls of
late Actually they're not that dissimilar. That yeah, not looking
too good for National this one. They won't be very
happy with it. But you know, the Prime minister's been
criticized for not commenting on opinion polls. I think he's
wise not to. I mean, he says, why should he
be talking about himself? He should be talking about things

(24:07):
that are a bit more important, and that's the economy.
And I think he's quite right.

Speaker 3 (24:11):
There no point talking about the economy. Need to do something.

Speaker 2 (24:13):
Well, you could say that, Heather, I'm sure you will
be saying that as well. But this Caurier pole is interesting.
It sees are hung parliament, sixty one seats for each block.
But there's a TV and Zed pole coming out at
six o'clock as well. And my bet is, and I'll
bet you a good bottle of wine that the Tvan
Zed pole will be more sympathetic to the National Party

(24:35):
and we'll see a cent to write government.

Speaker 3 (24:37):
Quite compatible, still quite tight.

Speaker 2 (24:39):
It'll be tight. But you know, if you want Chloe
Swarbrick as the Finance minister in the next government, I
think the public should reflect on that, because she says
it won't be a labor leed government anyway, it'll be
a Greens lead government. And that's from their conference of
the weekend. Yeah, so you know, if you want a
benefit for life, then vote to.

Speaker 3 (25:01):
The Labo block. I take your point right. It's not
as if the other side are shining lights, right. They're
still the same crew who put us in the show
with the economy. But do you not think that national
and the reputations attached to what's going on here lux
and Willis at ol shouldn't Do you not think that
they should be worried about what's going on in the
polling because people clearly aren't very stoked with what they're doing. A.

Speaker 2 (25:21):
No, of course people aren't that stoked because when you've
got an economy like we had in two thousand at
the end of two thousand and three, it takes more
than ten minutes to turn that economy around.

Speaker 3 (25:32):
What have they done?

Speaker 2 (25:33):
I've had eighteen months? Well, you know there's a number
of things such as well, oh, for goodness sake, you know,
we've got more to talk about.

Speaker 3 (25:40):
Them challenging because I'm challenging everybody who's fanboys to tell
me what they've.

Speaker 2 (25:45):
Done I'm not a fanboy of anybody. What I'm just
saying is if you look at opinion polls through the ages,
and if you look nineteen eighty seven, for example, the
opinion polls have got to say then though, were much
better for the long e lead labor government, even though
the public suffered greatly during the eighty four to eighty
seven period. But and they simply went to the eighty

(26:06):
seven election after the snap election in nineteen eighty four
saying let us finish the business now. The public then
were of a mind, even though they were hurting greatly
as much as they are now at the moment, they
voted Labor back in. And I'm sure that you will
see next year this government will be voted back because

(26:27):
things will be looking better.

Speaker 3 (26:29):
She just start cutting it last year. They're cutting it fine.
But can I just to your comparison there, So what
you're saying is nineteen eighty four to eighty seven, like now,
very hard time economically, that government doing a lot, getting
rewarded in the polls. This government not getting rewarded in
the polls maybe for not doing a lot. So is
it possible actually that even if voters are hurting, they
will still support you if they can see you doing something.

(26:50):
That's well true that and I think that's the problem.

Speaker 2 (26:53):
The difficult Yes, no, that is true. But the difficulty
here is they haven't got a lot to play with
in terms of money. Even though they are borrowing quite heavily.
They can't you know, they can't willy nilly borrow like.

Speaker 4 (27:09):
Three years before that.

Speaker 3 (27:10):
They shouldn't be spending. That's the problem. They should be
cutting anyway, Listen, we need to move on. What do
you think of this business with the state of Palestine.

Speaker 2 (27:17):
Well, you know, we're not having a barb each way
where if you listen to Winston Peter's we're considering it
very carefully. But he's always said that the final recognition
will come. It's only a matter of if not when
or when not if that it will come. But there
are a few preconditions on that and that's what the

(27:38):
Cabinet will be considering before Winston Peters, interestingly is going
to deliver the Leader's Address at the UN General Assembly
in September and we'll outline our position in detail then.
At his post cabinet news conference today, Chris Luckson said
there are conditions on the recognition of Palestine as a
state though.

Speaker 11 (27:56):
We're not going to recognize the state that has hum
us and that there is no role for Harmas and
any future Palestinian state. And you know, I think you've
seen that from a number of the leaders that have
changed changed their positions on recognition or accelerated their positions
on recognition. So for us, you know, that's an absolute nonstarter.
Our view very clearly is Hamas started this, you know,
October seventh with twelve hundred Jewish folk. Are innocent civilians killed,

(28:20):
hostages that have been held over a long period of time.
They need to release the hostages.

Speaker 4 (28:25):
Is as simple as that.

Speaker 2 (28:26):
And we're not alone in that. Of course, a number
of countries that will say will have said they're going
to recognize Palestine, but that'll be one of the preconditions,
no doubt about it.

Speaker 3 (28:36):
Just really quickly, do you reckon the Greens that are
in trouble in Wellington with this redefinition of the boundaries here?

Speaker 2 (28:41):
Well, absolutely. If you look at Wellington Central, which is
tim of the pool's electorate, that's really it's going to
be called Wellington North. So Central is going to go
and they are going to Wellington North is going to
take in areas where she would have a big difficulty
in winning the electorate. Kendala wades down and Nao the

(29:02):
more wealthy areas. Wrong Atie also extends to Brooklyn and
Mount Cook, which is interesting. And that's don't forget Julia
and genter both these women, tim of the Paul and
Julia and gender. They're more upset though that about the
name of the wrong Atta is going to go and
Julian says, no, we weren't like wrong attire. It means

(29:24):
the sound of the sea. Well, it might be the
sounds of the Greens heading out the.

Speaker 3 (29:30):
Door at Parliament Tamoth Paul's launched a petition.

Speaker 2 (29:34):
I had to change the names.

Speaker 3 (29:35):
Keep the names, but only the Marty names. Doesn't care
about anything else. Thank you very much, Barry, appreciate it.
Barry so for seeing your political correspondent eight away from.

Speaker 1 (29:42):
Five putting the tough questions to the newspeakers, the mic
asking breakfast, the prime.

Speaker 3 (29:47):
Ministers in the studio like I've just come from TV
in sead.

Speaker 11 (29:50):
They said they'll take you for celebrity treasure roll all
they did. I said, I don't think you'll survive if
I enter I win I've got you'd be hopeless.

Speaker 4 (29:57):
At at you come in here. Well, no, no, you're
going to help me up all your questions.

Speaker 11 (30:00):
It's nice you're going to give it a go, but
I can't see you surviving without your pig screen TV.

Speaker 2 (30:04):
Yeah, that's probably true.

Speaker 16 (30:05):
Okay.

Speaker 17 (30:05):
Hipkins was alluding to the fact he may well run
on capital gains tax.

Speaker 16 (30:09):
Would you be happy to run a campaign off.

Speaker 4 (30:11):
On the thing that I was quite alarmed about.

Speaker 11 (30:12):
You had Chloe Swarbrooks saying she wants to be Finance Minister,
and you didn't have Chris Sippins roll it out. She
wants to have forty four billion dollars worth of the
eighty eight billion dollars worth of taxes.

Speaker 2 (30:21):
Back tomorrow at six am the Mic Hosking Breakfast with
a Vida News Talk zb.

Speaker 3 (30:27):
To be fair to the Greens, I know it's hard
to be fair to the Greens, but to be fair
to the Greens, I do sort of agree with them
that I am going to miss the name of Wellington
Central because if you've looked at it go if you're
vaguely interested in politics, it's kind of interesting what they've
done with the electorates down in Wellington, but wrong A
Tires become Wellington Bays, Wellington Central's become Wellington North, or
Hardie or Tucky and Manna have turned into Cupitty and Kennipudu.

(30:49):
So it's a complete redesigners all these names we don't
recognize and stuff. And of all of them, the one
I'm going to miss the most and I do think
they should bring back is Wellington Central because I don't
know if you know this, but we've had Wellington Sen therefore,
I think since one hundred it's one hundred and twenty years,
since nineteen oh five, with a brief moment moment for
a few years where we didn't have and then it
came back. So anyway, that's the one I think we

(31:10):
should bring back, just for old times sake. Why not
four away from five? Now, you want to see this
luxury hotel that they're building in Queenstown. It's called the
Noctus and they're gonna put it in putting it in
front of the award winning Carmena Lake House Hotel which
is in Fernhill. It's gonna have uninterrupted lake views and
mountain views and stuff. What it is is thirty seven
ultra high end residences across ten architecturally designed villas. So

(31:34):
you're gonna have your junior suite, which is like two
hundred and ninety square meters. That's enormous. That's bigger than
a normal house. A junior suite, three bedrooms. Each of
them will have their own bathrooms, two terraces, two sparpools,
two sparpools, because sometimes you don't want to spar with
the other person that you're there with, you know, or
you might want to. Maybe you've got like teenage children

(31:55):
and they suck, so you don't want to sit with them,
so you put them in that spar pool and you
sit in the other spar pool. Dual living areas as well,
for the same reason. Then you have the executive residences
that have four bedrooms and four on suites and that's
six hundred and seventy square meters. Holy Hannah, this is massive.
Own private wine tasting, sellar, plunge pool, jim sauna, massage,
therapy room, home theater. And then there is the presidential penthouse,

(32:18):
which has got ten bedrooms and it is twelve hundred
square meters and it's got everything. It's got the two
spar pools, and the dual living areas and the private
wine cellar and the plunge pool and and then another
pool and then a pool deck and then a reflective
pond so you can sit there and think about how
loaded you are and a three car garage. How good
is all of this? This is listen, this is fantastic

(32:39):
for Queenstown, right because this means now we're going to
get baller money into the country. This is when you've
got gangs, the levels of money you come and stay
at this place. So we have a chat to them
down increase in Queenstown about that shortly. Also Robert Patman
on exactly what we can do. Do we recognize the
state of Palestine and if so, what are the contingencies

(32:59):
that we've bacon Sohamas doesn't start running the joint news is.

Speaker 4 (33:02):
Next, sans.

Speaker 1 (33:16):
Question, answers, facts, analysis, the drive show you trust for
the full picture, Heather Dupas and drive with one New
Zealand let's get connected news talks.

Speaker 18 (33:28):
There'd be good afternoon.

Speaker 3 (33:30):
Australia has announced it will recognize the state of Palestine
next month at the UN. In response, Winston Peters has
said that our government will be spending the next few
weeks also considering whether to do the same. Robert Patman
is a professor of international relations at Otaga University.

Speaker 17 (33:44):
Hi, Robert, I'll get afternoon.

Speaker 3 (33:46):
He should we also do this?

Speaker 17 (33:49):
I think, well, it's at the moment my understanding in
the New Zealand position. If we're weighing up what to
do and it's not you know, and this has been
the position of the New Zealand governments for some time.
I think there's a danger of mismatch between the gravity
of the situation in Gaza and the West Bank and
New Zealand's government's wait and see response. And you know,

(34:13):
a number of our allies are committed to recognizing the
Palestinian state. More than one hundred and fifty countries have
already recognized the principle of Palestinian statehood. And the situation
is extremely grave at the moment, and it's quite clear
that the Netnahu government does not want a Palestinian state.

(34:37):
Mister net for the last twenty five years has opposed
the idea of political self determination for the Palestinians. It's
also a strategic issue. Do you does it weaken Hamas
by continuing this military conflict, this military onslaught against them,
or do you weaken their position by giving the majority

(34:59):
of the palace the Sinians who do not like Hamas
a peaceful pathway to achieving their national aspirations of a state.
So it is a strategic issue as well. It's not
just a question of political judgment. My fear is that
we're missing in the moment.

Speaker 3 (35:16):
Does recognizing a state make this war stop? Does it
make the aid delivery happen?

Speaker 17 (35:23):
It doesn't, but it does send a message to Israel's
public that what's being done in its name is being
widely opposed by the rest of the world. Misternette and
Yahoo at the moment has never said since the appalling
terrorist attack of the seventh October, he was very reluctant
to say what the day after looks like? What we

(35:45):
now know what the day after looks like. It looks
like making gals are inhabitable and then near publican population
being expelled. He hasn't been. The Israeli leader has recently
announced that military a military offensive resume in Galza City,
which is currently inhabited by close to a million Palestinians,

(36:06):
many of whom have already been relocated ten times. Yeah,
and that's going to have such a military campaign in
such a densely populated era is going to kill many
thousands of people.

Speaker 3 (36:17):
Listen. Robert does, though, recognizing a Palestinian state not actually
strengthen Hamas's hand and make it least likely to stop
this war.

Speaker 17 (36:27):
I don't think so, because the fact of the matter
is that trying to obliterate Hamas is purplicitly bolstering them.

Speaker 3 (36:33):
Yeah.

Speaker 17 (36:33):
I mean, in a sense, Israel is not more secure
after twenty two months of targeting Hamas. And the problem
is it hasn't targeted Hamas very well. It's killed a
lot of Palestinians who detest Hamas, and more than sixty
one thousand have been killed. This can't go on that.
The thing that really worries me, Heather, is that New

(36:55):
Zealand has always believed in the rule of law internationally
and the institution which has formal responsibility for stopping a
situation like this. The UN Security Council is impotent, Yeah,
and marginalize. And I do think that New Zealand should
be leading the charge along with Australia and in countries

(37:16):
like Canada and other small and Middle powers to say,
we can't have an impotent U N Security Council. We
have to restrict THEE.

Speaker 3 (37:24):
We'll have you to leave it there, Robert, I really
appreciate you, expecting as always Robert Patman, international relations professor
at Otaga University.

Speaker 4 (37:31):
Ever do for THEE.

Speaker 3 (37:31):
Ellen yet another Pole has national behind Labor the Taxpayers Union.
Curier Pole has National sitting on thirty two, Labour on
thirty four. Chris Hepkins is the leader of the Labour Party. Hey,
Chris good a Heather looks good, but you know you're
not going to win a Oh look.

Speaker 7 (37:45):
There's a lot of water to flow under the bridge.
Yet I said at the beginning of the year that
we need to focus on the issues that New Zealand
does want us focused on, jobs, health, homes, cost of living. Yeah,
that's what we've been focused on. And I think they
can see the current government of making.

Speaker 3 (37:57):
We've still got Chloe saying she wants to be fine Sminister.
As long as you've got loopy people next door that
you have to get into bed with, it's not going
to happen.

Speaker 7 (38:05):
Well, Christopher Luxan surrounded by loopy people, and you know,
I think New Zealanders want a government of stability, and
I think labor can deliver a government of stability.

Speaker 3 (38:14):
You've also got the problem, Chippy, that you were part
of the last lot that ran us into this economic
funk that we're an aide. Have you read that Treasury
report yet.

Speaker 7 (38:22):
I've seen parts of the Treasury report. I do notice
that the fact that the Treasury found that this government
have no credible.

Speaker 3 (38:28):
Wining No, never mind, never mind, I'm dealing with this government.
Let's deal with you. You guys were warned multiple times
by Treasury to stop the spending, So why didn't you?

Speaker 7 (38:40):
We chose to focus on saving people's lives. Very much
of that you.

Speaker 3 (38:45):
Went way by, and they point out that about half
of the spending has got nothing to do with COVID.
It's just random stuff you liked.

Speaker 7 (38:51):
The first announcement Kristofluxen made when he became leader of
the National Party was that he wanted the government to
spend more money on the COVID O.

Speaker 3 (38:58):
Look, don't you worry. I'm pretty upset with him about that.
But what about you guys? You have got no economic
credibility now, have you.

Speaker 7 (39:05):
Well, the current government are spending more money and borrowing
more money than we ever did.

Speaker 3 (39:09):
Are you going to demote Willow Jean at the next reshuffle?

Speaker 6 (39:12):
No?

Speaker 7 (39:13):
I think Willow Jean should have replied to Erica Stanford
to tell her that, you know, she was going out
to consult with the sector before she wanted to meet
with her. I think Willow has absolutely admitted herself that
she could have handled that situation better.

Speaker 3 (39:25):
Ok, you've got to explain something yet, Chippy. Either Willow
Jane is just iq impaired and couldn't see that this
might be a good idea to take this meeting, or
she just couldn't be bothered because she's lazy. So which
of the two is it?

Speaker 4 (39:37):
No?

Speaker 7 (39:37):
I totally reject that. When I tried to meet with
Nikki Kay when she was the national Predient was the
Ministry of Education, it took several months for us to
organize that meeting as well. We got there in the end,
and that was a good thing.

Speaker 3 (39:50):
So why didn't Willow Jane take up the opportunity? What
was it?

Speaker 7 (39:54):
Ohish she should have and I think she she has
admitted that she should have. It wasn't that she wasn't
intending to. I just think she didn't communicate whether at
the Stanford what she was doing.

Speaker 3 (40:02):
Now, where are you on the matter of a Palestinian state?
Do we recognize it or not?

Speaker 7 (40:07):
It's well in trudy time for New Zealand to recognize
a Palestinian state.

Speaker 3 (40:10):
It's the right thing to do, and do we do
it in September.

Speaker 7 (40:14):
I think we do it as soon as we can.
Other countries are doing it. New Zealand has always been
independent in these things. We shouldn't wait for the rest
of the world to do it so that we can
follow along behind. We should show some leadership and do
it now.

Speaker 3 (40:25):
Okay, thanks very much, ship, We appreciated. Chris Hopkins, leader
of the Labour Party. Let's go to christ Church next
fourteen past five. Wow, guys, you got to hear this
BYD These guys are absolutely crushing it. They launched in
New Zealand just in twenty twenty two with the Yatto three,
and already there are over nine thousand byds on Kiwi roads.
And get this, every single model that they sell here
is award winning. Now that is not hype. That is

(40:46):
just a fact. You buy one of their cars, it's
award winning. Consumer magazine even surveyed car owners and BYD
owners are the most satisfied. They are loving their vehicles
right now. They've got six killer models for the Dolphin,
the Seal, the Sea Line sixty, Sea Line seven, the
Atto three and then of course for Sharks six UT.
But they are not slowing down. They've got four more
coming by the end of the year. Two small cars,

(41:07):
a medium suv and a mass of seven seed a suv.
And here's where it gets insane. Globally, BYD is growing
at a scale that we have never seen before. They
have got over one hundred and twenty thousand full time
R and D engineers. That's twice as many as Toyota,
and they are filing forty five plus new tech patents
every single day. And their new mega factory by the

(41:27):
way where they build the Shark six thirty two thousand
acres that's half the size of the able Tasman National
Park and one hundred and sixty thousand people work there.
It's nats. They went from dirt to full production there
in just nine months. These guys are on another level,
So check them out at BYD Auto, dot Co, dot MZ.
But seriously, do not sleep on this. The future is here.
And it's electric.

Speaker 4 (41:48):
Ever duper clo eighteen past five.

Speaker 3 (41:51):
Here that I was listening to Hipkins and it just
made me think perhaps we should give Chloe a chance
because it can't be any worse. Why not we're at
that level eighteen past five. Now, this hugest new stadium
is going to host a whole weekend of Super Rugby
games shortly after it opens next year. Super Rugby Pacific
has just announced that Takaha the Stadium is going to
host next years Super Round, where all the matches are

(42:11):
played at one venue, and this is going to happen
in late April. Venues Autotahi is in charge of running
the stadium and the CEO, Caroline Harvey Tear joins us. Now, Hey,
Caroline Evening Henther, how are you? I'm well, thank you,
but I'm stressed out for you guys. Are you cutting
it a bit fine between getting the keys to the
stadium and then hosting the big event.

Speaker 19 (42:29):
It's ambitious, that's for sure, but no, we're confident we're
going to have plenty of time to give a really
good handover test the venue. And why not. We've been
waiting fifteen years for this stadium, so let's crack on.

Speaker 3 (42:42):
When are they giving you the keys?

Speaker 19 (42:45):
Practical completion is the twentieth of April, so five days
before the.

Speaker 3 (42:49):
Five days Caroline, are you sure about this? Nobody in
no builder ever has finished something on time with five
days to spare, so you can have a house warming.

Speaker 19 (42:59):
Oh, wreaking beautifully. We're not worried about that in twentieth
of April. They've been amazing. Look and for us and
our team, we're running five wicked busy venues now, so
we're ready to go.

Speaker 3 (43:09):
Okay, how much are you paying to get the super
round there?

Speaker 19 (43:14):
Or that's not a question for me, that's a question
for the city. So no, I'm not able to.

Speaker 20 (43:19):
Talk about that.

Speaker 3 (43:19):
So all right, where are you planting the grass and
growing it? Because we've been obsessed with it on the
show because it's a secret. Can you tell us?

Speaker 19 (43:27):
No, it's top secret. I've not been there either. I've
seen it. It's growing beautifully.

Speaker 3 (43:32):
I've not photos.

Speaker 19 (43:33):
I've seen photos, yeap, and it's looking glorious.

Speaker 3 (43:36):
Okay, all right? Does there need to be a permanent
train station on the corner of Moorhouse in Colombo?

Speaker 7 (43:43):
Oh?

Speaker 19 (43:44):
Look, I really like the idea, you know, making it
easy and safe for people to get into the city.
It's a central city. Venue like parking is pretty limited,
so changing the way that we get to venue is
going to be, you know, a bit of a challenge.

Speaker 3 (43:59):
Don't you think that it's absolute must have? You've got
to have the public transport right there?

Speaker 19 (44:03):
Yeah, I think it's a belting idea, absolutely brilliant.

Speaker 3 (44:06):
Hey, Caroline, best of luck with it. It sounds stoked. You
guys are going to have a great, great week in
a rugger there. There's Caroline Harvey Tear whose venues Autotahi
chief executive. Hither I cannot believe that the majority of
people want Chippy as our prime minister. Do they take
the polls in gang premises and wins offices. Look, I
don't think they're not gonna It's not gonna happen. Labour's
not going to win the next election, right because actually people,

(44:29):
but what this is, this is protest. It's not that
they actually want Labor and the Greens and the Maori
Party and government. They're just protesting the fact that the
lot that are in at the moment are so profoundly
disappointing on the economy. Right now, five to twenty.

Speaker 1 (44:41):
One Informed Inside into today's issues. It's Heather Duplicy Ellen
Drive with one New Zealand. Let's get connected news talks.

Speaker 4 (44:51):
They'd be.

Speaker 3 (44:53):
Coming up five to twenty four.

Speaker 20 (44:55):
Listen.

Speaker 3 (44:55):
Here's a question for you. Does it sound nutty to
you that Shane Jones said in a speech yesterday that
New Zealand First is going to campaign at the next
selection to remove New Zealand from the Paris Climate Change Agreement.
Does that sound nutty to you? Because I reckon quite
a few people will hear that that he'll want to
pull us out of the Paris Agreement and think, oh,
that's a controversial thing to do. Actually, it isn't controversial

(45:16):
at all, because we are not going to meet our
target anyway. We're not going to be able to cut
our emissions enough by twenty fifty to be able to
do what we promised in that agreement. We know we're
not going to be able to because we're not even
going to be able to cut our emissions enough to
meet our first set of targets, which happen in five
years time. In twenty thirty, we will be so far
off our targets in five years time that we're going

(45:36):
to have to pay other countries about twenty four billion
dollars in order that they plant trees for us. That's
the deal. Basically, if you don't meet your target, you
pay for trees. By the way, we're also not going
to pay for the trees. We're simply going to ignore it.
If you listen to government ministers, we're just going to
ignore it and keep the money and go, oh, well,
that's what happens. Australia, the EU, India, Turkey, Russia, China, Brazil,

(46:01):
Saudi arabiaist goes on. None of them are going to
meet their targets. That's just a short list of countless
countries that will not meet their targets. The US has
completely pulled out of the Paris Agreement. In New Zealand
has dropped its twenty thirty targets, UBS Bank has pulled
out of the Climate Banking Alliance, Sweden has dropped its
climate change air travel tags, and just look around the world.
Everybody is starting to pull away from these targets because

(46:23):
they simply cannot meet them. So we can stay. I mean,
we've got two options, right we can we can either
pull out or we can stay in the Paris Agreement
to make people feel better, just stay signed up, but
ignore the goal. That happens in politics quite a lot.
That's not that unusual. It's like when Jasin Dardoun set
a goal of zero suicides in New Zealand, never gonna happen,
but just makes people feel nice when you say stuff

(46:44):
like that, Or when we said we were going to
be smoke free by twenty twenty five. We're never really
going to be smoke free by twenty twenty five. But
you just you say you're going to do things and
it makes people feel nice, or we can just be
honest about it and pull out. Either way, when we
take the fields out of climate change, like you feel
you've got to do something when you take the feels
out and you actually just think about the reality of
what's going on here, Shane Jones doesn't seem so nutty anymore,

(47:07):
does he.

Speaker 4 (47:08):
Heather Duplessy Ellen so Ans came.

Speaker 3 (47:10):
Into the office today and he had a little sticker
on his arm, you know, in the crook of the elbow,
one of those round stickers, and he'd been giving blood again,
and I said to him again, what are you doing
giving blood again? And try to spin me the story
about sort of having like a kind heart and having
some opozzle or something like that and wanting to save
the babies. The truth is, with a little bit of digging,
we got to the bottom of what's going on here.

(47:31):
Did you know that if you give blood you get
little treats for giving blood? So if you do like
your first donation as this doesn't happen to everybody in
their first donation, does it it does? Seriously? Yeah, okay,
you go give your first donation of blood. Oh, this
is me helping the country out. You need to go
and give your first donation of blood and you get
yourself a pair of socks. That's your reward. When you

(47:52):
do your second donation, you get a key ring. Your
third donation, they'll give you a little pop socket to
stick on the back of your phone so you can
prop your phone up for watching movie. With your fourth donation,
you get a pair of white socks, which is better
than just the standard pair of socks, because white socks
are the business. Fifth one, you get a travel mug.
This is where it starts getting really good. Tenth donation
of blood you get a nice metal drink bottle. The

(48:14):
twenty fifth donation you get an umbrella. Fiftieth donation you
get a backpack, and one hundredth donation you get what ants.

Speaker 10 (48:20):
An art print. Now I called New Zealand Blood Service
to verify this and they won't confirm or deny any
of it. But I asked whether any of them weren't correct,
and they wouldn't say no, they're their own correct. Where
are you up to twenty eight seven?

Speaker 3 (48:33):
I think see that there's treats, go do it. News
is next.

Speaker 1 (48:39):
On the iHeart app and in your car on your
drive home it's hither duplicy Ellen drive with one New
Zealand let's get connected news dogs.

Speaker 4 (48:48):
They'd be sorry that you are.

Speaker 3 (48:55):
With us after six Now, I do think as I said,
I think she's overseas. I think she might be in London,
but she's still calling awesome of her to do that.
We'll have a chat to her after six. The Huddles
standing by Heather, I can confirm that you do get
a bag after your fiftieth donation, and apparently apparently the
bags are awesome like they are, they are really good
quality bags. So if you don't want if you're thinking

(49:16):
right now, geez, I really need a new bag, but
you can't be bothered paying for it. Do you know
what you need to do? Just give blood fifty times?
How is that for helping you through the cost of
living crisis? Apparently, in the old days, according to John,
they used to give this is thirty seven years ago.
They used to give you a stubby of beer. Not anymore.

Speaker 10 (49:31):
I will definitely be asking about that at my next
How times have changed?

Speaker 3 (49:35):
And what do you do an? Do you have the
beer before or after giving blood? Or while you're giving blood?
Does it work like breastfeeding? Able to do it?

Speaker 10 (49:41):
Maybe they can do like an ivy drip of the
beer going in and the blood going out of the other.

Speaker 3 (49:45):
Fantastic idea. Love it twenty four away from.

Speaker 4 (49:47):
Six Together to see Allen.

Speaker 3 (49:50):
It looks like Auckland Mayor Wayne Brown's got himself into
a spot of bother. He's accused two South Auckland counselors
of not turning up to counsel enough, but then they've
hit back with stats that show they actually turn up
more than he he does. And then he's accused them
of quotes doing what they always do, being pacific victims.
Monaco Ward counselor Philippina is with us right now?

Speaker 6 (50:08):
Hey elf hid their congratulations to by the way, Yeah
thanks mate, that's all right.

Speaker 3 (50:17):
It was seven months ago, but I'm going to take
I know, thanks.

Speaker 6 (50:20):
That was the first time first time we've spoken then. Yeah,
interesting how he's hitting out at PACIFICA. I wonder what
happens if because of my MOLDI blood. I wonder if
that's next.

Speaker 3 (50:33):
Well jeez, now, how did it get into the race thing?
This seems bizarre to me that it suddenly went from
attendance to this.

Speaker 6 (50:40):
I don't know. And and but this is what happens
when you have somebody that wants to get yes people
around that table. This is what happens. I mean the
port we stopped that from going overseas, the operations, I mean, yeah,
I think he just wants people to bow down to him.

(51:00):
And I'm not that person.

Speaker 3 (51:03):
Definitely not else you are, I mean, according to the sets,
you are, definitely you and lots who are definitely turning
up to council more than he does, which is a laugh.
But what about the workshops? He says, the workshops is
a different matter. Are you turning up to the workshops
as well?

Speaker 6 (51:17):
So we go online for the workshops. We may turn
up for the workshops, but I know from my perspective,
if I don't end up going to the workshops, if
I'm doing other council business, I take the time to
talk to the staff or get people to bring me
back the information. Now, when he said in the starter

(51:39):
call that that's where all the work's done, all the
work gets done at those committee meetings, the Committee of
the Whole and the governing body meetings, that's where the
decision is made. So I don't know which tangent he's
trying to get on, but you know, playing the racist
card that that is not the card that he should
be playing now, So you know that's But even the workshops,

(52:01):
what happens is that there are discussions. I go to
those workshops, whether they be in person or online by
tend and if I don't, I end up going back
to the staff or getting information off Nexus, which is
the app that council uses to have all the information.
So I don't know where he's going.

Speaker 3 (52:21):
You guy's going to be able to sort this out.

Speaker 6 (52:24):
Oh not with Wayne, because Wayne is the type of
person that wants his way in no way. That's it's
it's either his way or the highway. So we won't
sort it up this way because he'll he'll just keep
on using it because it's election and he wants his
yes people to be around that table, and he convinced,
obviously some people to run under his ticket. I'll be

(52:46):
watching to see how much he puts into their campaign
when the financial and the expenses come out. That's what
I'll be doing.

Speaker 3 (52:54):
Well, Thanks very much for your time. Beast of luck
with everything. El Philipina South Aakland councilor attacked by waynebro
We asked Wayne to come on show, but Wayne didn't
want to come on the show. Hither the cost of
the Paris Agreement is going to be overtaken by reality
and will collapse internationally. I agree with you, Dennis. It's
coming up twenty away from six.

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Speaker 3 (53:16):
I'm the huddle with us this evening. We have Joseph
Bcganney CEO at Child Fund, and Trisherson at Sheerson Willis
PR Hello.

Speaker 18 (53:21):
You too, Hello, Hello, Hello Josie.

Speaker 3 (53:23):
Do we need to recognize the state of Palestine?

Speaker 18 (53:26):
Well, we're on the ground there with child from We've
got you know, local people on the ground, people of
staff have been killed. It's awful, Heather, and I think
the only way that we're going to get any movement
forward on this is to recognize two state solutions. Now,
I mean the problem with that, Yes, two thirds of
the UN countries now recognize Palestine as a state. The

(53:48):
definition of a state is that you have to have
a stable population and you have to have a government
that's able to govern well. It doesn't have that. And
of course now France and Britain Australia have recognized Palestine.
The problem though, is that neither Benjamin ett Yahu or
the leaders of Hermas want to recognize a two state solutions.

Speaker 3 (54:09):
So I don't know that.

Speaker 18 (54:10):
I think symbolically it's going to be really important, and yes,
I think we should and if it helps to put
pressure on Israel that ultimately it's only going to be
solved with having some kind of peacekeeping force in there
that's led by Arab states, Saudi Arabia, Egypt, Jordan. You know,
it needs to be a pa Palestinian authority, not Hermus.

(54:31):
It must exclude Hermus. Canada's made all these conditions right.
One is that Hamas has excluded there has to be
a commitment to democratic elections in twenty twenty six and
so on. So there's a lot of detail there, But
I think symbolically it will help us.

Speaker 3 (54:44):
Get the aid in treasure. I agree, right, I think
the symbolism is important. But why are we not talking
about flooding the area with aid? Why is that not
where the effort is being put in, Because that's actually
going to save lives. Recognizing a state of Palestine's saving
no one's life.

Speaker 21 (55:00):
That's right, I mean, I think that I think there
are two There are two things. Though what we've what
we have seen is that the getting aid in that
situation is so disastrous at the moment, and unfortunately, and
I heard a report on this the other week, of
flying in aid over the top, that has become more

(55:20):
symbolic than actually useful to people on the ground recognizing
the two state solution. It is symbolic, but sometimes with
big intransigent issues like this, symbols matter. And obviously that
recognition is going to align us with our key allies
and it's going to shift the moral debate. I agree

(55:41):
with the approach being taken actually by Winston Peters, which
is there is no upside for New Zealand in being
you know, first here or rushing into this. We are
a very small nation and our support is symbolic. But
if we make a misstep on something like this, given

(56:03):
the sensitivities around the world, it could have an outsized
impact on my view.

Speaker 18 (56:08):
Can I just say, though, what the thing about France
and Britain and now Australia. But France and Britain agreeing
to recognize the state of Palestine. That's the that's the
Security Council, those are the permanent members of the UN.
That's quite significant. That's different to two thirds of the
General Assembly recognizing Palestine. And I think, I know you're
connecting it with aid and I know from our experience

(56:30):
we will be able to get more aid in there
if Palestine is recognized as a state, because then you
start to get Egypt, Jordan and so on involved. You
start to have a kind of political diplomatic process that
will start as a state. You know, the Palestine sits
at the UN, but it sits there in a weird.

Speaker 3 (56:48):
But we're talking about about something in September. These people
need eed now, Yeah.

Speaker 18 (56:52):
But if you have, if you have members of this
of the of the permanent members of the UN and
Security Council recognizing Palestine, suddenly Egypt and joy who do
not want Palestinians to come to their countries will say okay,
two state solution, will get involved, will will help to
secure the border.

Speaker 3 (57:07):
And get Aidan. All right, Trish, is there anything you
wanted to say? I feel like you've got.

Speaker 21 (57:11):
Well, no, no, no, it's fine. I mean Josie's obviously
the specialists in this area. But what I would say is,
you know, in all the commentary that I have listened to,
the issue with getting Aiden again is meting now who
in the Israelis And unfortunately for the israelis the fact

(57:32):
that all of these countries now are wanting to recognize
a two state solution. It is a symbol that Israel
has completely lost the narrative on this and ultimately, in
my view, that doesn't Obviously that doesn't help people who
are starving now, but it may be the lever that

(57:52):
gets us to a better long term solution for people
of Gaza.

Speaker 3 (57:57):
All Right, guys, we'll take a break, come back, talk
about the poll. Sixteen away from.

Speaker 1 (58:01):
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Speaker 3 (58:07):
Right, you're back with the huddle Trisharson and Joseph Agaranni Triush.
Do you think that the National Party, but in particular
and the government should be worried about what they're seeing
in the polls?

Speaker 6 (58:15):
Yes, I do.

Speaker 21 (58:18):
I don't know that any of us would have predicted
that this government would be polling where it is at
this time in the electoral cycle. They are only halfway
through their first term, and when you consider what they
came in off the back of the feeling across the
electorate about what had happened under the Labor government, what

(58:40):
it had meant for their individual's own back pockets, I think,
you know, I would have expected National to be polling
a lot higher at this point because consider two factors.
Number one, we have absolutely seen nothing to change our
minds about neighbour's stewardship of the economy or where they

(59:01):
might head in the future. And although this has been
a challenging time for National, you know, unfortunately for them,
they should be the party of good economics. But I'm
just you know, trying to put my finger on kind
of what's going wrong here. And it's easy to make

(59:21):
this sound simplistic, but in my view, one of the
problems that we have got is because of this the
cost of living crisis, and it's such a near term issue.
What the government is really missing is a legacy focus.
If you think about the governments who have come in
off the back of very difficult economic times, I'm thinking

(59:43):
about the eighty four Labor government, and I'm thinking about
you know, the Rich Richardson time in the nineties and
even the Helen Clark government. One of the factors that
they have all had in common was a legacy focused.
Either of them govern just for the next new cycle
or the election, they all of those had an aim

(01:00:05):
to leave the economic architecture in better shape for the
next generation. In my view, this is what's going wrong
for national and where that is really the robbers hitting
the road here is a fallback into populism and the
problem with that is it's all about us and them,
and in making it about us and them, you are

(01:00:27):
losing core parts of your voter base.

Speaker 18 (01:00:30):
Hang on, Josie, Yeah, I mean I think potentially they
have a legacy issue around the NCAA stuff, and I think,
you know, the Colin you rode at the weekend haved
on Erica Stanford that there's a bold, courageous politician who's
going right, I'm going to blow it up and set
it up again. I'm also going to bring people with me.

Speaker 3 (01:00:49):
So why don't they have the courage? Why does Nikola
Willis and Chris Luxon in particular, and you could probably
chuck Chris Bishop in there, but those people who are
involved in finance, why do they not have the courage
with the economy that Erica Stanford has with education?

Speaker 18 (01:01:01):
Yeah, and I would put christ Bishop in there for
getting rid of road taxes. There's a whole bunch of
things that he's done. I think part of the problem
is that the economy is in a resetting mode. You know,
we've had high inflation. You could argue the government and
I do, that they shouldn't have done a tax cut
when they first came in because that's slowed down the
recovery because the only way you do tinkering, but.

Speaker 3 (01:01:22):
The implification and when this doesn't work in cech all gone. Yeah,
that's massive.

Speaker 18 (01:01:27):
Why but hold on, there's one thing though, hold On,
Trish is one thing though that I think is really important.
It's a Treasury report that said that people's wages compared
to the cost of living are now back to twenty
twenty levels. So that's the major problem that the government has,
is that.

Speaker 3 (01:01:44):
They've they've got a thousand, they've got myriad problems in
the economy. What were you going to say, trash.

Speaker 21 (01:01:50):
I was going to say, and to deal with that again,
just you know, really lifting this back up. I think
the the other missing parts that some of those big
transformation or reforming governments had. Number one is strategic clarity.
They didn't drift. They came into office and they had
a clear theory of the problem, a coherent set of solutions,

(01:02:11):
and the politic the political will to execute, just like
Erica Stanford. We're getting I'm excited. And the second one
is political courage. So as an example, if you think
of Roger Douglas, he was willing to make unpopular decisions
in pursuit of what he saw was in the national interest. Yes,

(01:02:34):
and he had to resist intense pressure on that. And
in my view, that is what we're missing at the
moment as well. You have to govern for future current
but future generations, and if you were just governing based
on focus grouping, you are not going to tackle the
really big problem.

Speaker 18 (01:02:55):
And a big example of that on the labour side
would of course being Michael Joseph Savage right where you know,
you had a whole state house building building program, you
had a whole welfare state setup that we still have
today and that has bipartis courage, sport right courage. But yeah,
but I would also as another example, I would use
David Seymour, you know, attacking his own government, taking national

(01:03:16):
for not being bold enough around reforms of the public sector.
And you'd have to say, Nashville came in and went, right,
we're going to fire a whole lot of public servants.

Speaker 3 (01:03:23):
Well, you know, tough on them.

Speaker 18 (01:03:25):
But it's also the easy bit politically to reduce numbers.
But what you have to do is exactly what Trisha's saying,
is thinking, what is the public service for? Why has
it not been able to deliver good policy? Why hasn't
it been able to implement quickly urgently? And to do
those things? You need to completely rethink the public sector. Yes,
divide implementation strategy. Right, Thank you, ladies, it's wonderful to

(01:03:48):
talk to the pair of you.

Speaker 3 (01:03:48):
Really appreciated. Joseph Gani treshurs in our hut all this evening, It's.

Speaker 1 (01:03:53):
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Speaker 3 (01:04:01):
Hither how does recognizing Palestine help the Palestinians and Gasa
all the West Bank? Who's going to govern the state
when there is no defined borders as being run by
a terrorist organization whose stated aim is the elimination of
Israel and who do not themselves want a two state solution,
as it's all just virtue signaling. Mark fairpoint. Look, I
mean the difficulty with this is that recognizing the state
of Palestine does not put food in the balies of

(01:04:22):
the children, which has got to be the primary thing.
And also we're waiting till September, and there are four
weeks to go till we had September, and you know
this is four weeks is a long time when you're starving.
So I see your frush. I'm frustrated by this as well,
and with all of the questions about how on earth
do you how on earth do you even do this
if there is no leadership and so on. I totally
take the point, but it is also a part. It

(01:04:43):
is also in some way about sending benyamanett Ya, who
are very clear message. Remember what I told you a
couple of weeks ago, maybe last week. Apparently, according to
people who are reporting from that part of the world,
apparently he has no idea. He and his cabinet really
do not understand how frustrated the world is about this.
They are completely kind of cut off. The officials, the diplomats,

(01:05:05):
they understand they have to deal with all of the
drama and stuff. But those guys in Israel and the
cabinet are sitting there going everything's fine. We've got the
support of the Americans. It'll be fine, and so for them,
it's kind of a good idea to get this message
sent to them. Anyway, Listen, we're gonna talk to Nikola
Willa's short issues with us. Can we just talk about
sunscreen really quickly? There is an anti sunscreen movement? Did
you know that there? I haven't left a lot enough

(01:05:26):
time to explain this year. I've explained this to you later.
Did you know that there's an anti sunscreen movement? And yes,
of course it's all the same characters. It's the there's
a big overlap between people who are anti sunscreen, anti fluoride,
anti covid vacs. Make all your anti soap, make all
your soap at home, don't give your children sugar, you know,
like they're you know, like like really like extreme health

(01:05:49):
nuts are now getting into anti sunscreen. Anyway, I'm going
to run you through that. Why I don't I'm not
an anti sunscreener. I use the sunscreen. But why maybe
it may be we should listen to them, just a
little bit of what the nutty people in this particular
case have to say. Anyway, we'll get to that shortly,
as I said, Nicholas. Next News Talk SADB.

Speaker 12 (01:06:08):
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Speaker 3 (01:06:39):
Newstalks dB even in coming up in the next hour,
Shane Soley on what the market is expecting from the
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being built and Gavin Gray will do the UK for us. Right,
Let's get you across the One News variant poll which
has just landed. It reckons National is on thirty four
percent no change, Labor is on thirty three percent up four,

(01:07:00):
The Greens are on ten percent down two. New Zealand
First on nine up one, Act on eight no change,
the Malordi Party on four. On these numbers, the Coalition
government would have the numbers to govern in the preferred
prime Minister Pol Chris Luxeon's on twenty down three, Chippy's
on three no change, Winston Peters is up seven. Oh
it is on seven up one rather Chloe Warbrick's on
four down one. David Simon was on four, and Shane

(01:07:21):
Jones is on one and right now it is eight
pass six and Finance Minister Nikola Willis is with us
An Nikola.

Speaker 22 (01:07:28):
Hello, Evan, where are you? I'm in London.

Speaker 3 (01:07:31):
What time is it.

Speaker 22 (01:07:34):
It's about seven o'clock in the morning here.

Speaker 3 (01:07:36):
Oh you sound sick.

Speaker 16 (01:07:39):
It's just a.

Speaker 20 (01:07:39):
Frog in my throat. Don't worry about me. I'm absolutely fine.
I was just going to say, ask the movie star impression.

Speaker 3 (01:07:45):
Jeez, I'm so impressed and also very grateful that you're
getting up to chat to us. And if you were
doing that, you know, because you're on the other side
of the world. But if you're doing it sick as well.
I would owe you big time, So thank you. Now,
what's going on with the polls? Why aren't you guys
doing better?

Speaker 22 (01:08:00):
There's been a couple of poles.

Speaker 20 (01:08:01):
They both show largely that there's a fight on between
the coalition and the opposition parties. And in my mind,
that flight's going to be about who do you trust
to strengthen and secure economic growth over the next few years.
And frankly, the idea that Labor Greens and to Party Marty.

Speaker 22 (01:08:19):
Are going to do it is wrong.

Speaker 20 (01:08:21):
Yeah, they would confiscate wealth, they tax us, that put
us into a lot more debt, and so our coalition
needs to demonstrate that we are doing the right things
at pace and that these will make a difference for
New Zealanders. We've got to keep working hard at that
and the pulse will eventually reward us as when we
demonstrate it.

Speaker 3 (01:08:39):
Well, why aren't you demonstrating it already? You've had more
than eighteen months.

Speaker 20 (01:08:43):
Well, we are demonstrating it with our actions. But the
reality is the economy is still recovering and that means
that we're not seeing instant, overnight success. We never claimed
that we would, but we are doing the right things
to ensure that more businesses if we're able to expand
higher are that we can get more investment into the country,
that we can grow our trade, that we can become

(01:09:04):
a wealthier place where people can better deal with.

Speaker 22 (01:09:06):
The cost of living.

Speaker 20 (01:09:07):
Those are the right things to be doing, and I
expect all of my forecasters tell me that that will
result in a higher growth rate, more income growth, lower
interest rates, and lower inflation over the next twelve months.
And that's when the election will be held next year,
not tomorrow.

Speaker 3 (01:09:24):
What have you done, apart from the tax boost in
the investment tax boosts that you gave in the last budget,
what have you actually practically done that helps this economy.

Speaker 20 (01:09:34):
Well, we've brought in the fast tracked legislation, which means
that major projects results of that. Well, the Auckland Port
expansion will take part place this year as a result
of that, and we'se around a dozen other projects that
are due to good announcements in the next line, which
we expect will kick off before Christmas. We're replacing the
entire Resource Management Act. We've removed red tape from farmers

(01:09:56):
well by the way are driving it now. We have
reduced red tape from farmers already in terms of the
fresh water rules are in terms of what's happening with
forestry conversions, we've done that work already. We've made sure
that our employment laws allow small businesses and large businesses to.

Speaker 22 (01:10:12):
Put people on ninety day trials.

Speaker 20 (01:10:15):
We've reduced some of the constraints and our health and
safety regulation. We've ensured that there is a proper investment
going into infrastructure and that projects are being delivered faster.

Speaker 3 (01:10:25):
This is all rats and mice. This is the problem
right Apart from this stuff, This is all rats and mice.
I totally agree that the tax boost was necessary. And yes,
maybe in the future the fast track stuff will work.
In the port stuff will work, in the RMA stuff
will work. But right now we're just dealing with tanquerary.
We're in the biggest recession that we have been in
thirty years. Don't you think you guys should be doing
something fundamental.

Speaker 22 (01:10:45):
Well, we have done fundamental changes.

Speaker 20 (01:10:47):
We've introduced golden visas with more than a billion dollars
worth of investment. How much of that money would not
go other ways for the comfort Well, there's more than
a billion dollars pledged and those will be signed off
coming weeks months.

Speaker 3 (01:11:01):
Why are you you, Nikola, You are the woman in
charge of finance, and why are you not doing a
better job?

Speaker 20 (01:11:08):
Well, I would put to you that we are doing
a good job because actually what we've done is ensured
that New Zealanders had tax reductions rather than.

Speaker 22 (01:11:16):
Tax increases, which would.

Speaker 20 (01:11:18):
Have constrained the economy. We've ensured that inflation, which was
out of control for three years, has come down. We've
seen significant interest rate reductions which provide an impetus for
a revival in the construction industry.

Speaker 22 (01:11:29):
And I'm glad to see the conference.

Speaker 3 (01:11:31):
This is reserve bank stuff. You're the reserve The Reserve
Bank did this you have? I mean, your biggest problem
right now is you're not running any surpluses. And the
Treasury report that came out on Friday, so you need
to be running surpluses.

Speaker 20 (01:11:43):
Well, I'm going to rebut you there because I've seen
your commentary on that. The simple factor is over two budgets,
we have reduced expenditure by forty four billion. That's how
many savings that we found, and we have given a
path that will.

Speaker 3 (01:11:58):
Ensure and you put them into our portion of.

Speaker 20 (01:12:01):
The economy comes down from the big high of thirty
four point four percent under Robertson, it comes down to
thirty point nine percent over our over the four year
forecast period. And we've achieved that by making big changes
in terms of key We save subsidies in terms of benefit,
increase rates in terms of emergency housing, in terms of
welfare reform, in terms of pay equity, and all of

(01:12:23):
those things.

Speaker 3 (01:12:24):
Now, Snickler and Treasury said, five years on from the
start of the pandemic, core crown expenditure as a share
of GDP is still near its twenty twenty level, So
you actually.

Speaker 20 (01:12:33):
And it's on track to come down significantly. And we
did not get a mandate for slash and burn economics.
Nor do I think that that austerity path that Ruth
Richardson and others have promoted would be the right thing
for New Zealanne because we are because we have put
money into our health system so that New Zealanders don't

(01:12:53):
need to wait so long for an operation. We have
put money into our education system so that the next
generation better educated. No, we have absolutely focused money and
to core areas health, education, infrastructure. Those are things that
are needed for our economy to be strong.

Speaker 3 (01:13:14):
But there's a lot of other stuff spend money on here,
And do you know this, we don't have to spend money,
which is.

Speaker 20 (01:13:18):
Why we have reduced expenditure by forty four billion dollars
over areas that we believed were not delivering value for money.

Speaker 22 (01:13:26):
What about how you do it here?

Speaker 3 (01:13:27):
What about cutting the grocery commissioner because he himself says
he does not have the tools to do what needs
to be done here, so he's he's ultimately I like
the guy, but he's a waste of space in that role.
So why don't we get rid of it?

Speaker 20 (01:13:38):
Well, you've got to get serious here that because reducing
the amount of money that goes into the grocery commissioner
is a zero point zero zero zero percentage of our
overall government spending. I know that, And what his report
is well exactly, So it's not a solution to this.

Speaker 3 (01:13:52):
But if you get enough of that stuff nically, you
cut that, You cut the Women's Ministry, you cut the
Ministry for Pacific Peoples, you cut all those ministry for
the environment. Think tanks like get rid of them, and
you are saying.

Speaker 20 (01:14:01):
None of them would be any but none of them
would be anywhere near as significant as changing the pay equity, raging,
stopping the indexation of welfare to incomes.

Speaker 22 (01:14:14):
None of those things would get anywhere near the order
of magnitude.

Speaker 20 (01:14:17):
We're doing the big things that make structural savings, which
is actually what New Zealand needs. And on the grocery Commissioner, actually,
what he is doing is monitoring what's happening in that
sector to provide us accurate data before we make what
are significant policy changes. And actually I think that it's
important we are well informed about what's actually happening with

(01:14:40):
market share, with margins.

Speaker 22 (01:14:41):
That sort of thing.

Speaker 20 (01:14:42):
His reports have led to far greater enforcement of pricing
and promotion practices, and the supermarkets have changed their turn
on that now now introducing refund policies. They're now being
much clearer about their pricing because they know they're being
watched by the commission. In a market where supermarkets have
market power, someone needs to be watching and calling it

(01:15:03):
out when it's not right.

Speaker 3 (01:15:04):
Are you meeting the gent tailors later this week?

Speaker 22 (01:15:08):
I won't be because I'll be in London and then
in New York.

Speaker 3 (01:15:11):
Who's meeting them?

Speaker 22 (01:15:13):
Well, look the energy Minister regularly meets gen Taylor's.

Speaker 3 (01:15:17):
Are they going to be talking about the Frontier Report?

Speaker 20 (01:15:21):
Well, the Frontier Report has been received by the government.
Our key focus is making sure that our electricity market
is structured in a way that ensures we get good
investment and generation, and that our generators have access to
the fuel they need to generate electricity.

Speaker 3 (01:15:38):
Kiss what is the important thing about the Frontier reporters?
Apparently that it recommends taking the generation aspect away from
the gent Taylor's and then bundling it together and the
government running it. Are you open to.

Speaker 22 (01:15:49):
That as a government.

Speaker 20 (01:15:51):
We're considering that report and I'm not going to get
ahead of Cabinet on it. Our key focus is we
need generation that works when the hydro lakes aren't full,
the sun's not shining, and the wind isn't lying. Realistically,
that is going to mean coal and gas for some time.
So how do we make sure that we're getting enough
investment both in power plants that can generate electricity using

(01:16:12):
those fuels and that we have sufficient access to those
fuels so that New Zealand doesn't get massive energy spikes
in the future that lead to de industrialization and expensive
electricity prices for keys.

Speaker 3 (01:16:23):
Nicholas, thank you so much for taking the time to
talk to us from London. Best of luck with everything
you're doing there. That's Nichola Willis, the Finance Minister, seventeen
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the gentailors right now, six twenty one, Shane Soly Harbor
Asset Management is with us as Shane. Hello, head right,
what are we thinking about the Fed's chances of cutting
the rates?

Speaker 23 (01:17:53):
Well, it's a big one. I'm going to be honest
with you. The July consumer price inflation for the United
States that comes out on Tuesday night News on time.
They'll influence whether the US FED, that's the central bank,
and the US does cut rates when they do it
how often. Obviously, mister Trump, the President is pushing in
the cut rates, but inflation.

Speaker 7 (01:18:09):
Has been pretty sticky.

Speaker 23 (01:18:11):
Market is expecting about a zero point two percent number
for the July month that commits to two point eight
percent for the full year. Maybe getting enough, Maybe getting enough,
But you know, the feed's been pretty sticky with this
sort of four point twenty five four point five percent
range they put in December. Look, I think the markets
can be a bit weary. Uh, the market's gonna be
worried if it comes in hot either, to be honest

(01:18:33):
with if it's above that point two, then the market's
gonna be worried about interest rates staying high when the
economy is slowing down. So really important one on Tuesday
Night News all time.

Speaker 3 (01:18:42):
Now, what is the market expecting from the RBA tomorrow?

Speaker 23 (01:18:45):
Yeah, in contrast fully pricing in a point twenty five
percent cut from the RBA taking their official cash rate
down to three point six percent last month. Of course,
either they shocked us by not cutting. They said we
want to see some more data, particularly on price growth
and play. Since then, we've had inflation come in lower
then expect at two points and actually unemployment starting to

(01:19:06):
rise and iusy something that many new zeigners don't realize
that economy is actually starting to slow down. So a
cut that will be pretty helpful and just cushioning the
bit of slow down that's occurring, boosting household confidence which
is actually pretty weak. If they don't cut, markets'll be weak.

Speaker 6 (01:19:21):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:19:21):
Did you see that stuff around spark selling a steak
in the data center business? How the market react to that?

Speaker 23 (01:19:27):
Yeah, so we've we've seen Australian Financial Review report and
the weekend so specific. Equing Partners is closing in on
taking a steak and sparks five hundred and fifty million
dollar plus status in the platform, sparking out this morning
and said, no, nothing is a year. The processes I'm
going we'll tell you when we're ready to tell you
when something's going on. But look, the Thin Review report

(01:19:49):
was pretty specific. They talked about controlling stakes they took
to bet a newzeon dollar six hundred million dollar valuation,
so quite specific. Actually on the day the ship price
flat only up points six two sixty one. Sorry either,
really bit of a balance between we're watching for a
bit of a possibly a flat result, poor result coming
up in their result in a few weeks time versus

(01:20:12):
this deal.

Speaker 3 (01:20:14):
And also the IPO for Fonterra's offer, isn't it Well?

Speaker 23 (01:20:18):
Yeah, look again, the Financial Review is amazing how this
isy paper digs a step up as saying that French
multinational company like talastane brands like Pools and Oak in Australia,
they're the lead better for Fonterra's consumer products business. Apparently
they're being given exclusive opportunity to buy it. This has
been a prolonged process. Frontier started back and Frontierra sorry

(01:20:41):
and back in the venby saying, hey, we're indicating a
trade sale or IPO. It's looking like a trade sale.
The key thing is for New Zealand Incorporated. If there
is a good price, then that money could find its
way back to distas and farmers in the form of
a returning capital ship. Price was actually up almost seven
dollars eighteen today.

Speaker 3 (01:21:02):
Brilliant stuff, Shane, Thanks so much. Shane solely harbor Asset
Management six twenty four.

Speaker 4 (01:21:06):
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Speaker 3 (01:21:17):
We had six years of growing government expenditure, largely from
borrowing and falling interest rates. It takes a long time
to win the country off those dual addictions. That's from Ryan. Heather,
go hither, asking willis why she isn't doing a better
job and holding to her account is very good to see.
Doesn't happen nearly enough, that's Josh Hither. You could get
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as a finance minister? No? No, I wouldn't.

Speaker 4 (01:21:41):
No.

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I I just was hoping for better from the Blue team.
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Speaker 3 (01:21:52):
If you're wondering what to go and watch the movies
right now, you have a few options.

Speaker 24 (01:21:55):
Have you?

Speaker 3 (01:21:56):
Other class had all their kids, but missus Gandy's room
was totally empty. Weapons is a new horror thriller that
follows a teacher in suburban America whose entire classroom of
kids just disappears into the night. It's doing quite well
at the box office. A budget of thirty eight mil.
Movie has already made its way money back in one

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weekend brought to nearly forty five mili around the globe
in the first weekend also took the top spot in
the charts over Freaky a Friday, which is a sequel
to the movie with Lindsay Lowell and Jamie Lee Curtis.
But twenty three years later.

Speaker 4 (01:22:27):
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Now that's the same one hold on.

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You've walked in each other's path. You learned a lesson,
a lesson that ma again. Okay, that's another thing.

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Speaker 3 (01:22:45):
Now you can either go and see those two horrors,
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Speaker 4 (01:23:11):
That girl suit and runs you Me and just.

Speaker 3 (01:23:20):
Cinda's movie was one of the horrors. Ha ha love
your show, ha ha. It is it's the third horror
and the trifecta. Do you know what though, like I
actually want to watch it. My friend went to the premiere.
Do you want me to tell you what she said?
So my friend went to the premiere. She votes right,
So this is declared bias here. She went to the
premiere and she said, what she thought was fascinating was

(01:23:41):
that in twenty twenty, throughout the lockdowns and stuff, just
Sinda looked like she was coping with everything and she
was making really good decisions. And she said, remember how
it started twenty twenty one, we had I think it
was it the KFC worker or the guy who went
to the gym or somebody. There was something there was
There was a COVID case that just popped out of
the blue, and justin the got pulled back from holiday

(01:24:03):
for that. And my friend said, when they interviewed her
for that, you could see she'd lost it, like she
was not coping anymore. She looked completely worn out, and
she looked like she was making bad decisions. Also, my
friend's other comment was most people won't notice this because
most people don't deal with politics, but Clark's level of
access to what was going on in politics was completely

(01:24:26):
out of line. He was filming stuff that was wild
that he was able to stand there filming it as
a partner. Partners don't normally go to that stuff, so
the fact that he was able to go to that
stuff was just really really bizarre. But I mean, I
don't think most people, if you're a fangirl and you're
fanboy and you're watching it, you won't care about it.
But I think what it goes to show is remember

(01:24:47):
Ian Taylor recently made that point in his stuff column
where he was like, it was all about brand management.
It really was all about brand management. Twenty two away
from seven.

Speaker 4 (01:24:55):
I'd Heather do for see Al.

Speaker 3 (01:24:56):
I'm telling you earlier about this new one hundred and
thirty million dollars luxury hotel being built in Queenstown. It's
called the Noctus Hotel. It's going to sit on an
elevated one point two hectare site in Fernhill. Has been
described as one of the largest hospitality investments in Queenstown's history.
And when I say super luxury, I mean it. You
have thirty seven ultra high end residences. They start with

(01:25:17):
three hundred square meter three hundred square meter junior suites,
six hundred and seventy square meters executive residences or the
presidential pent house, which has got ten bedrooms and comes
into a cool twelve hundred square meters. Matt Woods is
the CEO of Destination Queenstown. Hey, Matt, Hey, how are you, Heather, Matt,
I'm very well. But geez, I'll tell you what. How

(01:25:39):
good does this sound for you? Guys?

Speaker 21 (01:25:40):
Do you reckon?

Speaker 3 (01:25:41):
You have the people to fill it?

Speaker 4 (01:25:43):
Oh?

Speaker 13 (01:25:43):
Look, I think it's a great thing for New Zealand.
I think it's one of those pieces that we actually
need in the terrorism puzzle here for those high end
visitors that are coming to New Zealand that are looking
for something like this. So it's not just for Queenstown.
I see this actually for as a drawcard for New Zealand.

Speaker 3 (01:25:56):
How many people do you, reckon turn up in Queenstown
and want to stay in a place as bougie as this.

Speaker 13 (01:26:00):
Well, I hope we've got thirty seven.

Speaker 3 (01:26:04):
When you say it like that, thirty seven is not
a lot. I mean that's going to fill up in
the ski season, isn't it.

Speaker 20 (01:26:09):
Yeah?

Speaker 13 (01:26:10):
Look, and I think that's a really interesting point. And
as we see the government at the moments investing in
terrorism and putting money back into marketing and actually hopefully
into our infrastructure as well, you know, thirty seven people
for these high end rooms actually isn't a crazy amount
when you consider the amount of international visitors that do
come to New Zealand. But I think it's really important
that we look in Queenstown too. We actually have something
for everybody. So it's not just all high end. We've

(01:26:32):
got backpacker accommodation and we've got mid price points as well.
And it was interesting to hear in the weekend. You know,
Anthony Albanesi, the Prime Minister of Australia, was in Queenstown
this weekend and he referred to his first trip to
Queenstown when he was a backpacker staying in a hostel. So,
you know, it's really important that we actually have a
whole spread, you know, from backpacker all the way through
to this high end. And obviously these guys have seen

(01:26:53):
a real hole in the market and they can see
the confidence to invest one hundred and thirty million in
this property, which is fantastic stick you know, and it's
really good to see that the public sector is prepared
to act, so the private sector is prepared to invest
one hundred and thirty million, you know, So that's amazing
From the private sector, and what we really need to
see is the public sector investing in infrastructure to go
along with this as well.

Speaker 3 (01:27:14):
Okay, so what you're talking about.

Speaker 13 (01:27:15):
Hospitals, You know, hospitals would be something we needed in Canstown.
Absolutely we don't have one, but also we do have
a lot of issues on other infrastructure and particularly congestion
and roading. So if we could actually see investment in that,
I think that's one of those things that our visitors
and our community alike would really like to see from
the visitor economy.

Speaker 3 (01:27:33):
Yeah, totally. Hey, in terms of you know, the best
times that Queenstown's ever had, how close to that are
you or how far away?

Speaker 4 (01:27:41):
Oh?

Speaker 13 (01:27:41):
Look, every time is the best time in Queenstown, isn't it.
But you know, at the moment we are. We've got
fantastic snow. Clearly, Otago and Southland's doing really well at
the moment and that's on the back of terrorism and agriculture.
You know, so both Southland and Otago are doing really well.
But you know, tourism we are. We're fortunate that we
have a great air and we get great connectivity and

(01:28:01):
a lot of visitors from Australia. So we're seeing great
connectivity coming out of Australia and we're still seeing lots
of local domestic visitors coming down to Queenstown and enjoying what.

Speaker 3 (01:28:10):
We have, brilliant stuff. Matt, thanks very much for your time.
Matt Woods, CEO of Destination.

Speaker 4 (01:28:13):
Queen's Town, Heather do see Alan hither.

Speaker 3 (01:28:16):
I listened to Nicola and I agree, yes that all
those small expenditures like the grocery Minister and so forth
a zero point zero points zero zero zeros et or
one percent, but it is a serious perception on all
the people in the households that are really doing it tough.
I agree. I mean, you find enough of those small
things and you add them to the big things, like
enough big things and you can actually turn things around.
Thermal Co now the gentat so look there is I

(01:28:37):
think I don't know if it's if it's being done
by external pressure or whether there really is a move
on in government or something, but there's a lot of
talk of this frontier, this frontier report. Frontier are the
guys who were commissioned earlier this year. I think it
was to have a look at what we need to
do with the electricity sector in this country to turn
the thing around and try to fix it and whatnot.
Apparently what the Frontier and we're all getting this third hand,

(01:28:58):
but I see there's a lot of reports of it
going on. Apparently what the Frontier report either recommends or
softly suggests is that what the government needs to do
is take from the gen tailor's strip away their generation
part right so that they just become retailers. Take away
the generation stuff, take everybody's generation stuff, put it into
one big generation company and call it thermal Co. Because

(01:29:19):
that's the bit where we're being let down. These guys
are not building enough generation, and if the government controls it,
they will just build heaps and heaps and heaps of generation.
I'm incredibly uncomfortable about this is an idea because for
a start, I hate nationalizing anything that freaks me out.
There is sovereign risk with that. You start breaking businesses
up in this country. What do you think overseas investors

(01:29:40):
are going to think about that? I look at it,
go basket case, stay away. They just had six years
of labor and one and a half years of national
having a crack at businesses and hauling like, look at
all the nutty things just Inder and her lot did.
And you've got Nicola hauling in Frontra's boss for a yeah. Yah,
please explain seven and a half years of freaking business
out you do that. That's the I just don't think

(01:30:00):
it's got to do. But also, this is what mom
and dad and missus got themselves into with shares, right.
We all bought shares, didn't we when John Key floated
these things? Can you imagine what this is going to do?
And we just got trust back in the in shares.
For the longest time New Zealand did not want to
have anything to do with the stock market. We got
the trust back through what John Key did, and then
you go and break it up and just ruin people's

(01:30:22):
trust again. So I think that idea, unfortunately or fortunately
you decide, needs to go in the bin. Don't you think.
Sixteen away from seven.

Speaker 1 (01:30:29):
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Speaker 4 (01:30:39):
Talks that be.

Speaker 3 (01:30:40):
I must not forget to talk to you about the
sunscreen thing. It's fourteen away from seven. Gavin Gray, UK
correspondent with US. Now, Hey, Gavin, either have that. So
how serious are they about the thing? You fail your
eyesight test at seventeen and you're off the roads?

Speaker 4 (01:30:53):
Yeah, very serious.

Speaker 24 (01:30:54):
I think this is something this government is now pushing
towards it. It comes off the back of an inquest
into the deaths of four people caused by drivers with
failing eyesight that saw one coroner call the UK's licensing
system the laxist in Europe. Indeed, the UK is said
to be one of only three European countries to rely
on self reporting of eyesight or visual conditions affecting the

(01:31:19):
ability to drive, and this government says that is not
good enough. So the coroner themselves were saying that in
no other circumstance would we accept one six hundred people
dying a year with thousands more seriously injured, costing the NHS,
the National Health Service, more than four point four billion
New Zealand dollars. And so that's why they're looking at this.

(01:31:42):
England and Wales coming into line with Scotland on other matters,
reducing the drink drive limit and also introducing penalty points
for passengers not wearing a seat belt. So it is
a much much tougher landscape that they're looking to bring
in here for those on the roads. Plenty of people
supporting it, other people saying, well, you're taking away a

(01:32:04):
lot of people's independence. They might be perfectly able to
drive if they actually got some glasses or whatever. But
this government seems pretty tough on doing that. You must
do that before you get out on the road, and
that seems pretty sensible.

Speaker 3 (01:32:17):
Really, how long is it going to take the courts
to clear these what like five hundred odd people are
listed at the protest.

Speaker 24 (01:32:24):
A long long time. The courts are already pretty backed
up here, and we're being told our prisons are full
to capacity, hence the early release programs we've been seeing
over the last few months. However, the fate of the
five hundred and thirty two who were arrested on Saturday
for supporting a group called Palestine Action remains unclear.

Speaker 7 (01:32:44):
Now.

Speaker 24 (01:32:44):
Palestine Action is simply a group that supports Palestine and
what's happening in Gaza, trying to help the people of Gaza. However,
the government prescribe Palestine Action as a terrorist group. Therefore,
membership of or support for it is criminal and it
can be punished by up to fourteen years in prison. Now,

(01:33:08):
on Saturday this weekend, outside Parliament, loads of people gathered
and at one o'clock they all suddenly wrote on these
signs that they had brought with them something like I
oppose genocide, I support Palestine action, at which point the
police moved in and arrested them five hundred and twenty
one for displaying placards in support of the group. The

(01:33:31):
rest were assaulting police officers. Just six arrests for assaulting
police officers, two for breaching public order conditions, one for
obstructing a constable and one for a racially aggravated public
offic offence. Now, this is the largest number of arrests
made by the police Metropolitan Police on a single day

(01:33:52):
in the last ten years. And Heather, it was no
student protest. The average age of those arrested was fifty
four and the majority of them were h between sixty
and sixty nine.

Speaker 23 (01:34:03):
Wow.

Speaker 3 (01:34:03):
Hey, so why did the restaurant association, the Italian one
send a lissa to the UK ambassador.

Speaker 24 (01:34:10):
Yeah, they're pretty angry about this. So the Italian's very
proud of their food. But the UK Good Food Guide
published a recipe for a traditional Roman dish and according
to the hospitality sector in Italy. They got it wrong
and they're mad about it. And so the dish that

(01:34:31):
is caccio a peppe was described as having four simple
ingredients spaghetti, pepper, parmesan and butter. Oh no, said the
association representing restaurants in Italy. It only has three pasta,
pepper and pecorino. Pecorino is an Italian hard cheese. So
all they've done in the Good Food Guide one is

(01:34:53):
put parmesan and butter in instead of this other Italian cheese, peccorina,
more difficult to get hold of here in the UKCA
they also describe the Good Food said it's a sort
of simple dish that could be whipped up for a
speedy lunch. The Association of Italian Restaurant says, no, this
is to be enjoyed. It takes time to get it right.
You can't just quickly whip it up for lunch. And

(01:35:14):
you wouldn't believe. They've actually written a letter to the
UK Ambassador Edward Llewellin to complain, as well as the
UK Good Food website.

Speaker 3 (01:35:23):
Ah good on them, you know they love their food.
I Gevin, thanks so much. Devin Gray, UK correspondent just secret, Laura.
The producer's husband is like this, so if you start
talking to him, he will tell you, like the weird
he smashes, he's got to have this particular way of
smashing the petty so he can make a smashed burger.

(01:35:45):
And he's like and he's really particular about which beers
he like, Like the Italians really into the food. He
could never live in a house with me because I
just go touch out there you go, there's a boleronnaze.
No it is not. I'm telling you no. I know
it doesn't look like, well there's a bolerinaze eat. I
just basically force I just force food at people because
it's like, just get us through the day type they

(01:36:06):
I don't have time for this nonsense, like the Italians
and the German's husband. Eight away from seven, It's.

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Speaker 3 (01:36:20):
Okay, the sunscreen thing, Heather, I've never worn sunscreen to
my entire life, and I only wear sunglasses when I'm
driving into the sun. Take notes, Heather, your body doesn't
know it's sunny and will not naturally help protect you
if you are blinded with sunglasses. I'm not an anti vaxer.
I'm pro common sense. Well you still sound like like
that's not science. But anyway, I'm gonna do not science
at you now as well. So I don't know if

(01:36:41):
you know this, but there is an anti sunscreen movement
and it is getting a bit of international coverage.

Speaker 22 (01:36:46):
You know.

Speaker 3 (01:36:46):
It's the people who love the the RFK. They don't
like the sunscreen, and they make their alternative stuff at home,
and they there's a little bit of overlap, as I
said earlier, with the anti vaxers and the anti fluorides
and all that kind of stuff, you know, anti everything,
anti anti you know, don't don't give your child a
muffin from Woolworth's. Bake your own muffin so you can
protect how much sugar they're getting. All that kind of crap. Anyway,

(01:37:07):
So the skepticism about sunscreen is based on the fact
that a lot of these people think that there's a
couple of a couple of things in the sunscreen that
they don't love oxybenzone and titanium dioxide. And I think
they made correct me if I'm wrong, but I think
they may be claiming that it's a carcinogen, so you
know it causes cancer, so you should avoided. And so

(01:37:27):
what they're doing is they're putting you know, they're not
putting on any sunscreen. They're putting long sleeved rash shirts
on the kids instead, which is actually quite a smart idea,
to be honest. And then they're also using mineral based sunscreens,
which also was a smart idea anyway, so I wanted.
But some of the stuff is really loopy, Like it's
like if you eat certain foods you won't get sunburnt, well,
you probably still will, and you know things like you

(01:37:48):
should you should give yourself, give yourself lots of sun exposure.
That way you're gonna bild up your malowtonin melanonin or
whatever it is, and then you won't get burned. There's
elements of truth to all of this, but maybe as
a bit dangerous. Anyway. Where I'm going with this though,
is I kind of and on board. I'm kind of
on board with them, and I don't want to sound
like a mentalist, but I don't really love sunscreen. I

(01:38:10):
never use the fifty on me. I only go for
the thirty. And because I worry about vitamin D deficiency, probably mental,
probably not science. But also I don't want to kill
the coral. And if you're putting all of that sunscreen
in the water, it kills the coral. That's a fact.
And also I don't want to be putting this crap
all over on my body, you know, like you go
to the doctor with a kid with exmethergat and cut

(01:38:30):
the sunscreen. So maybe I'm just saying, like I'm just
planting the seed with you that maybe the anti sunscreen
people maybe just a little bit onto something but loopy,
but a little bit onto something hence.

Speaker 10 (01:38:41):
Or you could be off of something here. That those
are the two hospital possible none by Lincoln Park to
play us out tonight. They are going to be playing
in Australia, not New Zealand at the stage unfortunately in
early March next year. There are a few gaps in
between the dates though that they're doing Brisbane, Sydney and Melbourne,
so if any promoters have time to get in touch,
this will be their first time day on and since
obviously since the death Chester Benington.

Speaker 3 (01:39:00):
Yeah, well who they got instead of him?

Speaker 10 (01:39:02):
It's the new vocalist, the girl. What's her name anyway. Yeah,
stop it.

Speaker 3 (01:39:06):
They've replaced him with a girl. Yeah, Honor, that's like
making James Bonder girl. I don't want to go now,
do you.

Speaker 10 (01:39:13):
Well, you need someone who can hit the high notes,
so I'm sure they would like the rest of them
are the original lineup, so I'm sure they wouldn't have
picked her if the didn't think she was.

Speaker 7 (01:39:19):
The right old move.

Speaker 3 (01:39:21):
Well, there have been poor Chrses before and anyway, see
you tomorrow. Have a lovely leveling.

Speaker 1 (01:39:45):
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