Full Show Podcast: 14 August 2025

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Speaker 1 (00:03):
Digging through the spin to find the real story.

Speaker 2 (00:06):
Egoring it's hither Dupericy on drive with One New Zealand
let's get connected News Talks Evy.

Speaker 3 (00:15):
Afternoon. Welcome to the show. Coming up today, we are
going to speak to that Israeli politician who was told
off Chris Lux and she's with us up the half
past five. Constitutional lawyer Graham Edgelot on whether the Royal
Commission should just change its mind and summons Jasinda Etol
and also the Alteradrohungamere on why he's complaining that the
government always blames counsels.

Speaker 1 (00:35):
What ever, dupericy Alan.

Speaker 3 (00:37):
Look, I think what many of us are experiencing right now,
Regissinda and Grant and Chippy and iceha're not fronting publicly
for the COVID inquiry is not disappointment, because disappointment requires
us to have had a higher expectation of them, and
I don't think that we did, because I think we
got the measure of these people a long time ago.
I think what we're experiencing right now is a sense
of injustice because these people had the power, and they

(00:58):
used that power to do things to our lives that
no other politicians in the history of this country have done.
They told us not to leave our homes. They shut
the border so that we couldn't leave the country or
come back in. They ended some businesses through their rules.
They effectively forced people out of jobs for not taking
a vaccine that I would say most of us don't
even bother with. Now. Now, we can argue about whether

(01:20):
any of that or all of that was justified, but
I don't think we can argue about how massive that was.
It was huge, unprecedented power. Now, with power comes responsibility
and accountability, and that's where they are letting us down,
because they are refusing to be held accountable, even if
just in answering questions in front of us for us
to be able to see it now right or wrong.

(01:41):
Their actions during COVID caused so many people to lose
faith in government. This was their chance, I think, to
restore that a little bit. Instead, what they're doing is
they causing us to lose even more faith in government.
If these people ever tell themselves or us that they
are here to serve, it is utter bs. They're not
here to serve. If they were, every single one of
them would put their tree's expectations of answers ahead of

(02:01):
their own ambitions, but they're not. It's more important for
Jacinda to keep managing her brand and living her best
international life of Glamour. More important for Grant Robertson to
keep pulling in that six hundred and thirty thousand dollars
a year at Otago. More important for Chippy to try
to have another go, deluded at being Prime Minister again.
More important for I should preserve whatever credibility she has
left as a health academic. But they should know. They

(02:24):
can delay accountability, but they cannot prevent accountability. They will
be held accountable, maybe through a future Commission of inquiry
one day, maybe just through the history books that eventually
trash their reputations like history has trashed so many other politicians,
including Muldoon's. Either way, add to the long list of
unpleasant things that we've learned about them, we can now

(02:45):
add cowardice to that list.

Speaker 1 (02:46):
To ever do for see Allen.

Speaker 3 (02:50):
Nine two nine two is the text number. Standard text
fees apply.

Speaker 4 (02:54):
Now.

Speaker 3 (02:54):
A Kiwi dad has found himself in an unexpected bureaucratic
nightmare trying to get his kid's New Zealand citizenship. John
Bryars Ruddock's great grandfather was an all Black, his mother
was a Maori singer, Ronda Bryce, and his ancestor signed
the Treaty of Whitehangi. But John himself was born overseas,
and so when he moved back to New Zealand and
April with his three kids, he found out it's a
pretty lengthy and expensive process to get them their citizenship.

(03:15):
And John is with me. Now, hey, John, got John,
So what's the problem here? I mean, this is this
is what everybody has to go through if they find
themselves in the same position as you, don't.

Speaker 5 (03:27):
They exactly, Yeah, And that's uh, you know, I had
to go through it the hard way and hit all
the red tape, and you know I and I have
an easier route as far was you know, but somebody
migrating here with my children, you know that wasn't a
citizen or you know, a refugee in general.

Speaker 1 (03:49):
And you know, being that I am and.

Speaker 5 (03:53):
My children are as well, you know, I just feel
it is, I guess, kind of unconstitutional as far as
you know, if we're going to the treaty and you
know I've.

Speaker 3 (04:08):
Yeah, okay, so are you saying so you have citizenship
by descent like me because our parents were Kiwis, but
we were born overseas. Yes, and so your problem is
you you are a Kiwi, but because you have citizenship
by descent your kids being born overseas, you cannot pass
it on to them. Yes, correct, okay, And so are

(04:30):
you saying that coming back as a Kiwi with your
not Kiwi kids is harder to get them citizenship than
it would be if you came in on a visa
as a migrant. Is that right?

Speaker 5 (04:41):
That is right?

Speaker 3 (04:43):
How so how does that work because.

Speaker 5 (04:47):
I'm a citizen and my children who are solely dependent
on their father. Yes, because I'm not on a visa
or applying for a visa myself, they all get charged individually.
So normally, say if I had twenty kids and I
was here on a visa applying for my residence visa,

(05:11):
it would cost me three thousand and two hundred for
me and all my dependent children. But because I'm a
citizen not on a visa, they charge them individually. So
it's three two hundred per child. How many kids you got,
I've got three.

Speaker 3 (05:25):
Children, okay, just like ten thousand dollars, right, right? Have
you started the process?

Speaker 6 (05:32):
Yeah?

Speaker 5 (05:32):
So being that the first thing I had to get
in store was the court order to allow me the
sole custody that I deserve. Sow I first did that
and that cost me so much financially to do from
here dealing with courts in Hawaii. And we were living

(05:57):
in Washington for the past two years, so I haven't
been a resident of Boi for a couple of quite
a few years. Actually, I moved there during the COVID
twenty twenty one.

Speaker 1 (06:08):
We moved to Washington.

Speaker 3 (06:09):
Okay, So this has just become a bureaucratic nightmare. Now,
I just want to clarify something that you said at
the start. Is your argument that this shouldn't be how
it is for any New Zealand citizenship who finds a
citizen who finds themselves in this situation or are you arguing.

Speaker 5 (06:23):
That I feel it's understandable I for to be in place,
but I feel like there's a There is the Treaty
of White Tonguey and that's what differs from other countries.
And Dongata Fenua allowed access to their fenoa.

Speaker 1 (06:42):
It should be upheld.

Speaker 3 (06:45):
So are you so just I don't want to put
words in your mouth, but are you arguing that because
you're Maori, it's got to be an easier route to
get your kid's citizenship.

Speaker 5 (06:56):
I definitely feel it should be prioritized as far as being,
you know, fuck a pop of this land. Like my
entire lineage and my children's is buried in this fenoir,
including my mom.

Speaker 3 (07:13):
Okay, so listen, best of luck with it, John, I
really appreciate your time, John, Bryce Ruddick, Yeah, come back
to that, and it's okay. Fourteen past four.

Speaker 1 (07:26):
It's the Heather Duper see Alan Drive Full Show.

Speaker 2 (07:28):
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Speaker 3 (07:34):
Hey. By the way, just on the Donald Trump meeting,
which is going to be tomorrow our time. Apparently he's
going to offer Vladimir Putin access to rare earth minerals
in order to incentivize him to reach a ceasefire in Ukraine.
So he's got a bunch of options he's going to
put to Putin when he meets with them in Alaska,
including this is that I find this wild, including opening
up Alaska's natural resources to Moscow, giving Putin access to

(07:56):
the rare earth minerals that he's got going in the
Ukrainian territories currently occupy by Russia and then also lifting
some of the sanctions. So we'll see how this goes
down Tomorrow's I think we can all predict. Probably not
that well. Eighteen past four.

Speaker 2 (08:07):
Good Sport with tab multis fast, easy and more codes
are eighteen bit responsible.

Speaker 3 (08:12):
Garcy water Grave.

Speaker 7 (08:14):
He doesn't need Alaska, right, he's got Greenland.

Speaker 3 (08:16):
Has that happened yet or not?

Speaker 6 (08:18):
I don't know.

Speaker 3 (08:19):
This is getting wild regardless.

Speaker 7 (08:20):
Let's move on to sport and the tab beat responsibly.
Let's do this straight away. I'm playing this game with myself.
People might want to join on, and it's called sub
one thirties. So you find the odds that are sub
one thirties and you think I'm going to multi all
of them up to see what happens. Makes the weekend
kind of interesting as it tracks along. So the South

(08:41):
Africans are playing a dollar ten to be Dozy in
the Rugby Championship, and New Zeland are paying a dollar
thirty to beat Argentina and the Rugby Championship. Tasman are
playing a dollar eleven to beat North Harbor Hawks. Bayray
got that completely run the wrong way. Tasman are paying
a dollar eleven. Hawks by they are paying a dollar
eleven and Wellington not playing a dollar twenty five. So

(09:04):
multi up all five of those and see how you go.
Don't tell look, and it's not advice from me, because
I'm just saying this is something I do. It's the
sub one thirty. Die have to spin at a sub
one thirties and see if it works.

Speaker 3 (09:20):
See over eighteen flag It's never worked. Now See Golden
has confirmed what we all knew was happening. Yes, yes,
so she's off to whom.

Speaker 7 (09:29):
She's off the Fireferns, Fireferns.

Speaker 3 (09:34):
I'll see what you're doing there, mate.

Speaker 7 (09:35):
Katie Wills is stealing everybody. So I don't know how
many more are going to go over there, but I
believe there are still more announcements in the pipeline expected
to come up in the next twenty the more the
marys for them. And I'm trying to work out if
New Zealanders would like or fans of net or would
like to see their superstars playing in the Premiership or

(09:57):
they'd just rather see the silver Ferns win gold and
win world championships. What's more important?

Speaker 3 (10:03):
Do you think the Silver Ferns winning everything? Yes?

Speaker 7 (10:05):
And we're willing to forego having some of our superstars
on the court lod.

Speaker 3 (10:09):
Yes, can I tell you?

Speaker 7 (10:10):
Ways have opened and everyone's leaving. But we can't lose
everybody because he's in a netbill gay yet not you
ye okay.

Speaker 3 (10:17):
So at some point, and this is the argument that Alex,
who's Alex and the sports team who's really into the
netball makes this point, right, at some point Netball New
Zealand has to say stop. That's enough. Otherwise it's a
free for all and they've got no control. So even
just to create the idea, to create the perception that
still got control, they've got to say no to somebody.

Speaker 7 (10:35):
Right, and they will eventually. I don't know when. I
suppose we'll find out. Whilst a few beggins, there's probably
some more to come.

Speaker 8 (10:41):
Just go back.

Speaker 7 (10:42):
Tasman are playing North and Hawks Bay are playing North.
Harve excuse me, sorry, I can't read my own hand.

Speaker 3 (10:47):
Well, I'm looking at it and it's pretty hard to read.

Speaker 7 (10:51):
Mates possible to write neatly.

Speaker 3 (10:53):
Like it's just like a series of triangles and pyramids
that I can see over there. The darts. You've got
a darty. Yet we are Darty, Well not just a Darty.

Speaker 9 (11:02):
I've got the world.

Speaker 7 (11:03):
Number one Luke Humphries, the bigst darted cool hand Luke.
Do you know that his name Luke stands for Leeds
United Kings of Europe. It was going to be find
out more about it when you listen tonight. We've got
Luke Humphreys on air to talk about. He's a really
affable character, really enjoyble to talk to and sadly I

(11:24):
have no PlayStation in my house because it eats my time.
Same reason I got rid of my dart board. But
after you know, getting up close and personal, because I'm
a bit of a fanboy.

Speaker 3 (11:32):
You're gonna get it out of it.

Speaker 7 (11:33):
I'm off I'm playing darts again. Here we go, Here
we go because the Auckland League of the Darts Masters
starts tomorrow and runs through this Saturday. Big event for
Darty's and a great event to get along too. So
if you can get along to that Luke Tonight.

Speaker 3 (11:48):
As always Darcy Watergrow sports Stalk Coast you'll be back
at seven with Luke Humphries for twenty.

Speaker 2 (11:55):
One Getting the Facts Discarding the fluff. It's Heather duplessy
Ellen Drive with one New Zealand. Let's get connected news dogs.

Speaker 3 (12:04):
That'd be wtf, Heather, He's not a key with his kids,
aren't either, Jeff, thank you. Okay, let's deal with John's case.
So John, who was on just before, his argument essentially
boils down to the fact, strip everything out and it
comes down to he's Mary, his kids of Maori, So
therefore they should have New Zealand citizenship because this is
where Mary come from. Now, look, I have some sympathy

(12:25):
for how he feels about this, because it is a
little bit weird when you don't have citizenship in a
place that you fuck up Upper too, okay, and most
of us will have this experience at some stage in
our lives. I'm I'm a hell of a lot of
me is Scottish. Right that the clue is in the
name Allan. There is a lot of me that's Scottish.
A lot of my fullbears on my dad's side are

(12:47):
buried in Scotland. So if I was arguing the same
thing as John, I would argue that I should have
Scottish citizenship to go back to the place where my
people are buried. But I don't. Now, we like no,
no one expects Scotland to give me citizenship and equally
no one and that's where I come from. And yes,
John comes from here, but we cannot just be giving
him citizenship and his kid's citizenship were largely his kids.

(13:10):
He already has it just because he comes from here.
And let's take this out to the point that he
was taking it to, which you can't just give citizenship
to everybody who fuck u up as Mary, because at
the moment, we have in this country a million people
who identify as Marty. Right, that's basically eighteen percent of us.
Now it'll be a lot more than that overseas, living
in Australia and various other places, and it will only
get more and more and more as we continue to

(13:33):
have children with each other. And you know, nobody thinks
anything of racial lines anymore, thank god, so it doesn't
really matter. So you're just going to eventually we're all
going to be a little bit Mary, aren't We We
have one of the biggest diasporas in the world, so
we have a lot of people living overseas who are kiwis.
If every single one of them who fuck upup as
Marty decided that they needed to have new Zealand citizenship.
Can you see the problem that we would have, which

(13:54):
would be all these people out there fuck upupp A
Mahry even a tiny little bit right have automatic news
Zealand citizenship can just come back and use our healthcare system.
If they want to get a bit sick, come back here,
claim the soupid. That is a completely unsustainable, impossible situation.
So even just for financial reasons, not an idea. Twenty

(14:16):
six now, the Taylor Swift podcast has dropped this as
her boyfriend's podcast with more information on her new album.
Turns out, and I'm telling you this because the whole
world's talking about it, So don't get like that with
me and getting land. I want to know about it. Yes,
you need to. Here we go. Turns out she was
working on it in the middle of her other tour.

Speaker 10 (14:31):
It was something that I was working on while I
was in Europe on the Araspore, and I was working I.

Speaker 1 (14:38):
Would be unearthed. Did she do this on the tour
is still blowing my mind.

Speaker 3 (14:43):
So she showed the cover art. It's very great Gadsby
Roaring twenties in the bath vibes. She dropped the release date.
It's the third of October. By the way, and she
also revealed that Sabrina Carpenter is a featured artist along
with some of her favorite producers.

Speaker 10 (14:56):
It's a record I made with my mentor, Max Martin,
and and this the three of us have made some
of my favorite songs I've ever done.

Speaker 1 (15:04):
Before, which ones if you don't like me asking we.

Speaker 10 (15:06):
Did we were never getting back together, I Know you
Were Trouble twenty two, Shake It Off, Blank's Face Style,
Wildest Dream.

Speaker 3 (15:13):
Well, yes, okay, so you can see you know his work, right.
Max Martin is the music maker behind I Want It
that Way by the Backstreet Boys, hit Me Baby One
More Time by Brittany Raw. But do you want me
to do that one too?

Speaker 1 (15:28):
Rah?

Speaker 3 (15:28):
No, I don't know how that song goes because I
don't like Katie Perry. Thank God, I've got standards, and
the list goes on. Also, by the way, she's doing
a cover. If I was going to choose a George
Michael's song to cover, I don't reckon, I would cover
Father Figure because that gives me some creepy vibes that song.
But that's what she's doing, and the reason is because
Father Figure has gone viral recently. Because it was in
the Nicole Kidman movie where she's a cougar called Baby Dolph.

(15:52):
Is everything you needed to know about Taylor Swift on
one go Newses next.

Speaker 2 (15:58):
Yeah, Pudding, The challenging questions to the people at the
heart of the story, it's hither duplicy Ellen drive with
one New Zealand.

Speaker 1 (16:08):
Let's get connected the newth dogs that'd be hither here.

Speaker 3 (16:22):
We are married to the scott Our kids were born
in Scotland. Due to me being a citizen, we were
able to apply for New Zealand citizenship for them. That's
by descent, but if my kids have kids, it doesn't
get passed on. We now live in New Zealand. Once
my kids have lived here five years, we can apply
for their citizenship to change it so we would pass
it on to their kids. There are mechanisms that exist,
but they rely on you having to spend time living
in New Zealand, which I have one hundred percent agree

(16:43):
with Donna, and also does cost a bit of money
and by the sounds of things, quite a lot of money.
Now I've got a little bit of good news for Wellington.
Looks like the Golden Mile might be dead. Now the
gold there will be. I cannot tell you if you
live outside of Wellington or don't know anybody in Wellington,
the number of people who will be beside themselves happy
to hear that the Golden Mile will be dead. The

(17:04):
first stage, unfortunately, is already underway. This has been so
controversial there because it's killed so many businesses, or the
ideas it will kill so many businesses that are already struggling.
First stage is already underway. This is at Cambridge Terrace,
the intersection between Cambridge Terrace and Courtney Place. The second
stage is going to run down Courtney Place through to
Tartanaki Street. Now the contract for that is not yet signed.

(17:26):
The guy who was the the Transport and Infrastructure Manager,
Brad Singh, who's just leaving Wellington City Council, he said
the contract for that second stage might be signed in November.
November is after the council elections, which means toys out
and most likely Andrew Little is in. And Andrew Little
is not a fan of the Golden Mile because he
wants to support businesses. So I would say there is
hope for Wellington here. Twenty three away from five.

Speaker 2 (17:48):
It's the world wires on newstalks. They'd be drive.

Speaker 3 (17:52):
European leaders of how the conference call ahead of the
Trump Putin meeting on Ukraine, Sir Kiir Starmer doesn't seem
keen on the idea of Ukraine giving up any tip territory.

Speaker 11 (18:00):
International borders cannot be must not be changed by force.

Speaker 3 (18:06):
And alongside that.

Speaker 11 (18:07):
That any talk about borders diplomacy cease fire has to
sit alongside a robust and credible security guarantee.

Speaker 3 (18:19):
As you'd imagine, Elbow isn't stoked that Hamas has praised
him for recognizing Palestine. He's taken aim at the media
for reporting the story.

Speaker 7 (18:26):
They shouldn't repeat Hamas's propaganda.

Speaker 12 (18:28):
So I won't be a cheer squad for Hamas and
for its statements.

Speaker 4 (18:32):
What I'll do is say that Hamas should be isolated.

Speaker 3 (18:35):
It's awkis to be on the side of Hamas, isn't it.
And finally a lake in Minnesota has disappeared. So what
happened is the lake is twenty six acres and officials
get the word that there's a risk it's going to floods.
They open an emergency valve to lower the lake's level.
But the problem is the valve gets stuck on open,
so the lake keeps draining and draining to the point

(18:56):
that there is now no lake. The Department of Natural
Resources says it will take them four to six weeks
to fill up the lake again.

Speaker 2 (19:04):
The Huddle International Correspondence with Ends and Eye Insurance, Peace
of Mind for New Zealand Business.

Speaker 3 (19:11):
Oliver Peterson six PR Perth Life Presenters with us ale. Hello, Heather,
So it looks to me like your friend Elbow is
really uncomfortable about being in the same seat as comas.

Speaker 13 (19:21):
Absolutely he is, and obviously Hermas is going to leverage
this and it's been politicized over here in Australia, but
he's directly quoted a statements now made by Harmas in
a bid to try and dismiss that media coverage which
described him as propaganda.

Speaker 14 (19:37):
The Sydney Morning.

Speaker 13 (19:37):
Herald actually carried this story yesterday that Hermass's co founder
had praised Albo's recognition of Palenstine, saying it took political courage.
But he then spucks some backlash from the coalitions which
said the PM should hang his head in shame, and
from all those senior Israeli ministers. He quoted a statement
from Hermas today suggesting use of had no means of communication,
saying it was impossible for the terrorist leader to give

(19:59):
the quote. Now, this isn't great, This isn't good news,
This isn't a good look. But look, Albo's not alone
is he in this header. I think we touched on
this earlier in the week. You've got other countries who
are obviously making this declaration about Palestine. Albou wants to
take this to the UN. Obviously the US is even
now suggesting that they may enter into this. But look,

(20:20):
it's not a great headline is it in Australia when
her Mass is linking itself to Anthony Albanezi because it's
nothing that he wants to be associated with, despite the
fact that the coalition is saying it's a foolish plan,
it's absurd. It's just really really dividing. I suppose still
Australians who are just feeling quite uncomfortable about what that
situation is in the Middle East.

Speaker 3 (20:41):
Hey, you been invited to his wedding?

Speaker 13 (20:43):
Who elbows, Yeah, I'm his best man.

Speaker 3 (20:48):
Why did I ask you that question and expect a
serious answer from you? Gizure a pain? Did you see
that no world leaders are going to be invited.

Speaker 15 (20:56):
Yeah, well that's right.

Speaker 13 (20:56):
I mean, look, hey, we had the Kyle Sandlin's wedding
for example. A minute our is just amount of the
people Header like he'll probably be just sitting there doing shoeies,
maybe you know, sculling a few yard glasses, like probably
having a barbie to just you know, say, Jodie, I
do that's what you expect from our rig Just amount
of the people. Why would he want to invite although
I mean that hug with your Prime minister on the

(21:18):
weekend and Elbow like they're pretty close.

Speaker 3 (21:21):
I didn't tell now, but hang on a tack hanging
at tack, don't you reckon? That was lux and trying
for like Elbow wasn't expecting a full man hug and
Luxe and Winton for it.

Speaker 13 (21:30):
Hold on but didn't But didn't Elbow try and go
in and excuse my naivity. And I'm probably going to
make myself look like a fool. But you have a
sort of special greeting in New Zealand sometimes unmously assuming
this is sort of a Maori customy can he try
and can he try and touch noses with?

Speaker 1 (21:43):
Did he with luck?

Speaker 4 (21:44):
Did he did.

Speaker 15 (21:46):
Yeah, corrects, Hell, look.

Speaker 13 (21:47):
What he's going to kiss him? Like a full on bromance.
I think Luxon was like, dude, what are you doing?

Speaker 16 (21:52):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (21:52):
Now, this is what happens when you two woke. You
start and you start using it in the wrong times,
like it's lux and mate. Now what do you make
of James o' getting the call up? Does that surprise you?

Speaker 13 (22:02):
Yeah, we're out of options, Like, come on, it's twenty five. Look,
I mean he couldn't even get a gig in an
Australian teams, had to go and play for one of
your poultry teams.

Speaker 3 (22:13):
This, come on, man, playing for the Crusaders is better
than playing for any of your crap teams.

Speaker 13 (22:21):
Yeah, but hold on, you've got a foot in both camps, right,
Like you cheer on South Africa and New Zealand, so
you do anything to try and bury Australia. So I
kind of obviously representing the Wallabies this weekend master stroke.

Speaker 6 (22:33):
Look, it's not a master stroke.

Speaker 13 (22:34):
We're just out with options, like we're just pulling a
lever and trying to find anyone who's about. Nick White
retired last week and now he's on in South Africa.
He's back from retirement, the shortest live retirement.

Speaker 3 (22:44):
Oh is he the one that looks like a chimney sweep?
He does?

Speaker 13 (22:48):
Actually?

Speaker 3 (22:48):
Yeah, cool, got a great mustache. Yeah that is awesome.
He sweeps the chimney with the mustache. Hey, thank you Oli,
as always your religion. Olli Peterson six pr Perth Lifeerson.
Can I tell you how good Olie is? I'm going
to tell you something don't like to often show you
how the sausage is bade. But Murray was supposed to
be talking to us, and you know he's a boomer,
so we couldn't get him on the phone, and as

(23:09):
phones go straight to voicemail. Godden, I hope he's alive.
God only knows he could. He might have just forgotten,
might be playing golf, might have just fallen asleep, you know,
like an afternoon seest it or something. So I said
to the Germans, said I can't I can't get can't
get Murray. And I said, I just call Lollie. He'll
be fine. Give him a call and we'll tell him
what we want to talk to him about. Tell him now.
She did, and he had about a one minute. What
I don't even think he had him. Did he even

(23:30):
have a minute's warning? I think he had like thirty
seconds warning. No, not even that. That's a lie. Yeah,
you're right, and has put two hands up in the
air ten seconds warning. I saw him pop up on
the phone box with ten seconds to go, and he
was just unflustered. He's a man who just lives his job.
He knew everything. We were like, we want to talk
to you about that. He's like, yeah, I'm across that,
I know all about that. I'll tell you what happened.
That's how good he is. Awesome man. Anthony Alberinezi, by

(23:52):
the way, on his wedding, So what's happened is he's
been asked about it and he often you'll find this,
Anthony Alberinezi often likes to talk about his wedding when
he's got bad news going on, Like it's quite a
bad thing for him to be chums with Kamas. So
he's like, hey, do you want to talk about my
wedding again? And the Australian media like yep, tell us
more mate, and he goes, oh, no world leaders are coming.
They're like oh okay, so no world leaders are coming.

(24:13):
It's a pretty small ceremony, he said, mainly family. They're
really close to selecting a date for the ceremony, which
will take place this year, and they're looking over a
couple of options before locking in the final details. So
let's just let's just understand what news there was out
of that. Absolutely nothing, and yet they reported it. Anyway.
I don't blame him for having no world leaders, because
if you start having world leaders, then you're going to

(24:35):
have to invite Trump, aren't you, because you can't have
the other world leaders there. And Trump's not there. And
now the position he finds himself in Hamas is going
to expect to be there too, So this is going
to get really awkward for him, isn't it. Sixteen Oh
by the way, on the subject of that, the Israelis
have got pretty upset at Luxan for what he said
about Benjamin Nettinnahu. So let's talk to Thomas Coglan about that.
Next sixteen away from five.

Speaker 2 (24:57):
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Speaker 3 (25:00):
Thomas Coglan, the Herald's political editor, is in for Bari.
So but today, hey, Thomas, afternoon, Thomas, how's some luxe
and feeling about the spat he's got himself into with
members of the Israeli government.

Speaker 17 (25:11):
Yes, this is this is quite the spat sparked yesterday.
A reporter of ours, jamuns Or, asked Luxon what he
thought about the unfolding situation in Gaza and said that
benyminntn Yahoo, the Israeli leader, had lost the plot. The
Israeli Deputy Foreign Affairs Minister Sharon Haskell responded in a
tweet this morning, missus really about the dangers of hamas

(25:33):
and how Christopher Luckxon has luxury not of not not
to think about about terror groups given New Zealand's isolation
and uh and and uh and and relative peace. Christoph
Luckxon is not really not backing down. He stands by
what he said. It's his personal view, so I think
he's he's feeling pretty solid. I think he's actually enjoying
the opportunity to put a line in the sand on

(25:53):
the Israel Gaza issue. He's obviously constrained to weave it
by his coalition partners, so he does seem to be
enjoying the opportunity. They just put his own personal view
out there, distinct from that of David Seymour and Winston
Peter's Is.

Speaker 3 (26:05):
It remarkable to you? I mean, I find it quite
incredible that the thing of all the things that we
have done in this country and our leaders have done
in order to put pressure on Israel, this is the
thing that's actually having the best effect.

Speaker 17 (26:16):
Yes, that is quite remarkable. It is it is a
way that Israel seems to be conducting its foreign affairs
at the moment. The Australians have had a broad side
from Israel. I think the Canadians and the Brits got
one recently too, over their decision to recognize the Palestinian state.
It's Israel is sort of adapting to that. Quite boisterous

(26:38):
and a wee bit unhinged, if I may say so,
a way of doing foreign affairs, which is the very
twentieth first century, very Donald Trump. That's the sort of
way they do things now. So perhaps not surprising on
their side of things. I think it is a wee
unusual on our side of things. We tend to keep
our heads down a wee bit so yeah, quite quite unusual, now.

Speaker 3 (26:58):
Do you think, I mean, can Commission of Inquiry really
hides behind this non adversarial terms of restaurants that they
are in order to not summons.

Speaker 17 (27:06):
Just in detail, I wonder that is very good question,
and I wonder whether it would do more harm than
good to summons her forcing someone to come against their
will before a royal commission. That is, that is quite
a big step. But it is certainly within their power.
But it would certainly that would that would be quite

(27:29):
an ugly look, why.

Speaker 3 (27:31):
Would it do harm? What is the harm that it
would do?

Speaker 4 (27:34):
Well?

Speaker 17 (27:34):
I think that they are cooperating with the inquiry. They've
cooperated with the first date of the inquiry, which they
obviously set up themselves. But I wonder whether you use
you already this this second phase I think is on
thin ice because the terms of reference only include that
second labor only term. It doesn't include the New Zealand

(27:55):
first labor term. You don't want the Royal Commission, I think,
to look like a court that was said up to
damn the reputation of the second term of the labors.

Speaker 3 (28:05):
I mean, this is the difficulty we find ourselves, and
is that the first part was set up in such
a way that it would not ask the difficult questions
and deal with the difficult things. And then the second
part is therefore forced to deal with the difficult things. Look,
I agree both of them have been us screwing the
scrum in the in each of their directions. But in
the middle of it, it's all of us who want
answers to this and are not being served.

Speaker 17 (28:27):
I know, and this is why, this is why I
think everyone else.

Speaker 3 (28:31):
Yeah, if I can make this argument, I actually don't
give a hell about whether it's an ugly look or not.
Just sind owes it to us. We were forced to
do a lot of things we didn't want to do,
so the very bloody least she could do is do
something she doesn't want to do.

Speaker 17 (28:41):
I agree. I wish you'd just get on a plane
and show up. I mean, I think their excuse that
it's it's it's convention that ministers don't show up to
these things. I don't think that's correct. Wayne Mapp quoted
up to the Operation Burnham inquiry and inquiry that the
last Labor government set up. It was cheered by a
former Labor Prime minister. He shut up and defended himself

(29:02):
in public on camera. They should just do it, but
for whatever reason, and it is a terrible look, I mean,
just thin they were doing went on the Oprah Winfrey
podcast for an hour and promoted a book. And if
she can do that and is not afraid of people
clipping up those that that Oprah Winfrey interview and using
it in a misleading way, then she can certainly front

(29:22):
up to this. I bet she should just do it.
But summonsing someone is a big step, and you've got
and you've got to be absolutely sure that it's the
right one to make.

Speaker 3 (29:33):
Is there any is there any hope at all that
the situation may change or is the decision made and
they're going to stick with it.

Speaker 17 (29:39):
I think they're going to stick with it. The only one,
the most interesting thing that could happen is Chris Upkins
and Aishavil have a lot to lose because if they
look like that, they're still an act of politics. Chris
up Can still wants to be Prime Minister. If they
look like they're running from this, the net looks pretty
terrible for them, and I think there's evidence that it
is looking terrible for them. I think they were taken
by surprise and how negative the reaction has been to it.

(30:02):
So I think I am to be honest, Chris Hopkins
loves a scrap. I think he'd actually quite like to
sit down and go through it all. But I think
I personally might you know, just I don't have any
particular insight to this, but my personal thinking is that
he and Ei Shavera are probably sticking with Grant Robinson
and just on this. Out of respect to them, I

(30:23):
think they'd be quite heavy to sit down and do it.

Speaker 3 (30:25):
Yep, I think you might well be right. Thank you,
Thomas appreciated. That's Thomas Coglan, the Herald's political leaders A
sorry Barriosaper is not here because he's come down with
man flu. Seven away from five, putting.

Speaker 2 (30:34):
The tough questions to the newspeakers, the mic asking breakfast from.

Speaker 18 (30:38):
Just Cinder doing to Chris Hepkins, Grant Robinson, a Shaverel.
No one is willing to show up publicly for the
COVID inquiry. Chris Hepkins is with us. Do you realize
how shocking this looks? You're not turning up in public?

Speaker 19 (30:47):
Well, I mean the Royal Commission themselves have said that
they're not holding any through the public hearing.

Speaker 6 (30:52):
They ran out of questions after about it.

Speaker 18 (30:54):
At this they may be inconfident. I don't know, because
I've not seen it, and they've not seeing you either.
That's the whole point of this. People would like you
to be seen, to be held to some level of account.
Is there something wrong with it?

Speaker 20 (31:04):
Well, Mike, you've got the US rating breakfast show in
New Zealand and here I am answering your Christians.

Speaker 14 (31:09):
If you've got Christians about the COVID response, fire away.

Speaker 18 (31:11):
Back tomorrow at six am the Mike Hosking Breakfast with
a Vida News Talk ZB.

Speaker 3 (31:17):
Hither I've been thinking this is an email from Dylan.
What do you reckon? The chances are that the three
stooges who refuse to be publicly interviewed by the Royal
Commission are actually doing this out of loyalty to a
dourn because simply she doesn't want to think about it.
Her appearance would be very public, very embarrassing, given her
international profile, likely be broadcast around the world. It would
leave her reputation in her brand in tatters, a brand

(31:37):
that is she has been so fastidious to curate. Look,
I think I think there's a chance of that. I
think there's absolutely no doubt, don't you that the four
of them are acting in cohoats. This is an coordinated thing,
and they've sent Chippy out there to front it. And
if Thomas is right that Chippy and Aisha are surprised
by their reaction, it's because I think they genuinely have
convinced of So go and read this Into's book, If
You Hate Yourself, you will find that she seems to

(32:01):
genuinely believe that the people who are upset with her
are just a bunch of crazy anti vaxes. And I
just wonder if they've all juped themselves into that they're
all like, are they anti vaxers? The ones who are
angry at us? I forget, No, it's a whole It's
a lot more than that, mate. So maybe that's why
they're surprised. Anyway, listen, we're going to talk to Mark
Mitchell very shortly about that police shooting in Canterbury today.

(32:22):
Looks like it was a domestic violence incident that got
out of hand. It was a man with a knife
threatening to kill his partner or hurt his partner. The
cops got to the address last it actually happened last night,
got to the address. Women ran out of the house,
followed by a man with the knife. So they shot
the man but then she picks up the knife and
starts coming out the cops, so they shoot her too,
and then she's the one that dies, which does feel
like an unfortunate twist in this whole thing. Anyway, the

(32:45):
question is what does this do for the debate over
whether the police should be armed or should not be armed.
So Mark Mitchell, the Police Minister's with us shortly on that.
The minister, the Deputy Foreign minister over in Israel, who's
told luxenof because the most dangerous things now come tree
are cats and possums. She's going to be with us
after half past five to explain her thoughts on this,

(33:05):
So stand by for that. News Talks at.

Speaker 2 (33:07):
B Questions, Answers, facts, analysis, the Drive, show you trust

(33:29):
for the full picture. Heather Dupussy on Drive with One
New Zealand Let's Get Connected.

Speaker 1 (33:35):
News Talks at B Afternoon.

Speaker 3 (33:37):
Labor leader Chris Hopkins has spent the last twenty four
hours defending his decision not to turn up to the
public COVID inquiry. The Commission decided against summonsing him just
into Arduring Grant Robertson and I Shaverral because it would
be legalistic and adversarial, which the terms of reference prohibit.
Graham Edgeler is a constitutional lawyer. High Graham, Hello, should
they have gone ahead and just summons these guys anyway.

Speaker 9 (34:01):
If they think they need it?

Speaker 21 (34:03):
And so I think that's you know, it's the they
have the power to do all of these things. But
the question is really for the Royal Commission is are
we missing out on information that we wouldn't otherwise get
information that we might need to be able to make
our conclusions and make our recommendations. And if the answer
to that was yes, then they should exercise it. They
seem to think at the moment that they don't need

(34:24):
to have the summons, but it's something they have in
their back pocket, you know, if you know, they're still
sort of getting information from them. If they start getting
sort of stonewalled about the type of information that that
they want and can't get it, then it's the power
they have and they should seriously consider using if they
need it to get the information they need to have
to make their recommendation.

Speaker 3 (34:43):
They seem to be, I mean not, they seem to be.
They are worried about the fact that it would appear adversarial,
But is the summons itself adversarial if the interview that
it then elicits is not adversarial.

Speaker 21 (34:55):
It's a little you know, sort of formally sort of
giving a document to someone saying if you don't turn up,
you're committing a crime. You know, I could see why
people have that sort of thing. I mean, I would
have hoped that the ministers or former ministers would have
agreed to go. You know, I sort of there are
reasons for it. Don't seem particularly strong for me. You know,
it's something that I think we should expect ministers or

(35:17):
former ministers to do when these sorts of things happen.
We had it about a year ago with Minister Karen
Ture before the White Tangi Tribunal, which is also a
Commission of Inquiry, and they weren't getting answered and so
they did exercise their power to WISU were summons and
at that point sort of the government ministers who are
up in arms about former ministers not doing this, now

(35:37):
up in arms that any tribunal would ever ask a
minister to come along and answer anything.

Speaker 3 (35:41):
Yeah, I mean apart from them obviously playing politics. So
that that's a fair point that you're making. But isn't
that fascinating that the White Tangi Tribunal was prepared to
summons hurt over simply changing one tiny part of a
piece of legislation, and yet this Commission of Inquiry of
Equal Standing is not prepared to do it on something
that has touched every single one of our lives, is
a thousand times bigger than what Karen Shaw did.

Speaker 21 (36:05):
I think part of the issue in that case is
they were the White Tongue Tribunal was prepared to just
accept written responses, and the Minister then just didn't want
to provide anything, didn't want to answer written questions. It'soughtky, okay,
well you're not going to do anything, then we need
you know something. In this particular case, I understand that
at least some of the former ministers have met with
some of the commissioners sort of they sort of informally

(36:27):
in private, and they are also providing written answers to
all the sorts of questions that the Commission has And
so I think that's probably the difference is that they
are getting written answers which were what Karen Shaw didn't
want to provide at the time.

Speaker 3 (36:39):
Hi yea fair enough, Hey, listen, I'm given that they
don't want to appear publicly. Should the transcripts of the
interviews and evidence that they have given be published?

Speaker 9 (36:47):
I think it should.

Speaker 21 (36:48):
I don't think it needs to be published now. I
see no reason why it couldn't be published when the
commission makes its report. You know, sometimes, you know, we
think maybe to that the christ Church terror attack of inquiry.
You know, a lot of sort of perhaps sensitive national
security information that you wouldn't want published this. You know,
there might be a few things you need to redact

(37:09):
or something like that with you protect privacy with people's
names or whatever. But I see no reason why that
they couldn't release the the evidence when when they get
to the end, and I think that would be appropriate.

Speaker 3 (37:21):
Graham, thanks for your time. Mate. There's Graham Angelo, constitutional
lawyer Heather do Selo. Police have shot two people, killing
one of them. The incident happened in christ Church last night.
Both of them threatened officers with a knife. Mark Mitchell
is the policeman, as stand with us now how much.

Speaker 6 (37:36):
Sorry even.

Speaker 3 (37:39):
Track of time already the past five almost mates, so
you can get away with both now? Could the cops
have used tases here instead of weapons?

Speaker 6 (37:49):
I'm not going to second guess. I never do, never would.

Speaker 12 (37:51):
In my advoice, would be for people not to ever
seecond guess what police officers are doing when they're dealing
with an incident. All of that will come out in
good time, because of course it sparks an incident like that,
sparks an IPCA investigation, and that will be fully reported on.

Speaker 6 (38:09):
But you know, my.

Speaker 12 (38:10):
Thoughts go out to those police officers and their families.
They have my full support. It is a police officer's
worst nightmare to be placed in a situation like that,
and remember that they are responding to a violent incident
and the only thing in the forefront of their mind
is making sure they get there to try and resolve
it and keep people safe. But they're obviously confronted with

(38:30):
a situation where like I said, it's the worst case
for a police officer having to make those types of decisions.

Speaker 3 (38:36):
What do you reckon this does to the debate over
whether police should be armed.

Speaker 6 (38:41):
That is entirely a question for the commissioner.

Speaker 12 (38:44):
I know that is something that he's been asked and
also body cameras.

Speaker 6 (38:48):
All I'd say is that I'll fully support him.

Speaker 12 (38:50):
We've got an outstanding police commissioner that cares obviously very
deeply about his frontline police officers as I do as
well and this government, and we will take any advice
he brings forward to us.

Speaker 3 (39:01):
Are you disappointed that none of the top three in
the police brass let any of you guys in the
Beehive know that Michael Forbes had had his phone taken
by them, even though they'd known for ages.

Speaker 12 (39:14):
Yes, I am disappointed by that, but again we have it.

Speaker 6 (39:17):
We have a new police commissioner either a very good.

Speaker 3 (39:20):
Struggle but no, no, no, that's cool. I mean, we all
like him. But at least one of those three, one
of them, one of those three is Andy Costa, who's
just got another job in the government. Did he did
he see that email when it came to me.

Speaker 12 (39:36):
I've got no idea, but certainly I said it in
my letter of expectation.

Speaker 6 (39:41):
I was very clear about no surprises.

Speaker 1 (39:43):
He knew.

Speaker 3 (39:44):
He knew though much, because it's impossible that Jeevin mc
skimming and Tanya Kurra didn't know and go to him
and go you heard about Michael Forbes, So why didn't
he tell you?

Speaker 12 (39:52):
I can't speculate on that he would have to be
outset himself. All that I know is that is that, Yes,
I would have expect did to be informed under most surprises.

Speaker 3 (40:02):
Yeah. Is this why Tanya Kurrar resigned the other day
because this is a bad look for her?

Speaker 6 (40:07):
No, No, I don't think.

Speaker 12 (40:08):
I don't know the reasons behind that. That was her
own choiceetters operational so but no.

Speaker 3 (40:14):
Well, resignations always someone's choice. Did they have anything to
do with us? How am I?

Speaker 12 (40:19):
You know, I'm the minister, I'm not involved in operational matters.

Speaker 3 (40:24):
And yeah, fair antswer I'll let you go with that one. Mark,
thank you, Mark Mitchell, police minister. If you don't know
what I'm talking about, it's the stuff that came out yesterday.
Those three GEVI Mcskimming, Andrew Costa, Tanya Kurra, they knew
for ages that the guy tailing tailing the Prime Minister
was a bit dodgy, and they didn't tell them, which
they should have done, and then she quit the other day.
I think you could put two and two together. Fourteen

(40:45):
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(41:06):
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(42:13):
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I just love all the interesting gossip you have on
your show. Thanks Dave. No point in reading that text
other than I just love the way that Dave just
constructed that text. Nineteen past five. Now you know how
obsessed we all are with the supermarket giveaways, the Disney discs,
the Smeke Braser and so on. Well, if you are,
don't feel bad. It's not an accident. It's psychology. It can't.

(42:37):
Vera is a professor of marketing at the University of Canterbury. Hayekun't.

Speaker 14 (42:41):
How are you going?

Speaker 3 (42:42):
I'm very well, thank you, sir.

Speaker 1 (42:43):
What is it? Why?

Speaker 3 (42:44):
Are we so into this stuff?

Speaker 22 (42:47):
So this stuff works because every human, regardless of how
conscious you might be, loves to feel like they've won something,
especially if it's for free. And so when the supermarkets
are offering a way of kind of enticing you into
their shop versus someone else's, and we feel like we're
getting rewarded for our loyalty or rewarded for our good behavior,
then it's going to work for us. We're going to
get that little dopamine here to say, yep, if I

(43:09):
keep collecting, if I keep getting this, I might get
my reward at the end.

Speaker 3 (43:12):
But does it always work? Because I love the idea
of the snake knives and the pots and all that stuff.
But those Disney discs I just take and give them away.
They mean nothing to me exactly.

Speaker 22 (43:22):
And what you've basically identified is that what is valuable
for you is not necessarily valuable for someone else, and
vice versa. So we pick up the Disney discs to
give to friends who have younger kids. You know, our
kids are eighteen and twenty. They don't need that sort
of stuff. We ourselves are not swayed by these sorts
of promotions because we're very conscious about what impact they have,
But most of the people out there are not thinking

(43:43):
consciously about what they're buying at that time. And it's
kind of like a little bit bit of emotional pattern
the back to say thank you for coming into a
new world or countdown or whatever, and here you go.
So depending on what the prize is will depend on
the target audience and you'll see that new world. For example,
targets people very specifically based on their client base will
worth the same. They try to find the rewards that

(44:05):
work for their people or what would attract people to
their store.

Speaker 3 (44:08):
Having said that account, I'm just reflecting on my behavior now.
And even though I hate the Disney Discs with the
passion that I cannot explain, I never ask them not
to give them to me and I always take them,
even if to give them to somebody else. So it's
working on me, isn't it.

Speaker 22 (44:22):
It's working in you in a sense because you've got that.
But has it changed your behavior to get you into
Woolworth's is the real question. If it hasn't changed your behavior,
like you're always going into the same Wallies every time,
or you're going into the same supermarket every time, then
it's not really changed much of your behavior, but you
grabbing them, even if it's to chuck in the bin.
It's another kind of social cue. If someone's offered you something,

(44:44):
it's rude to say no thanks, I don't want your hospitality.
But if you are taking it and giving it to
someone else, and then that is a way of extending
your sense of monarchy to someone else, then yeah, that's
the way that the supermarkets win as well.

Speaker 3 (44:55):
A count thanks very much, appreciate it, account via Professor
of Marketing, University of Canterbury. Now this will make you
feel better about it. He can't. Even though he is,
he's aware of all of the stuff. He told me,
he's still was talking earlier. He still succumbs to this stuff.
So he was saying he once ended up with twenty
cag's a frozen salmon for free. Somebody just came up
to him was like you want They were doing a giveaway.

(45:16):
Do you want twenty cag's a frozen salmon? He's like, yeah,
I want it, and then he got it and he
was like, what the hell am I going to do
with this now? Because he was in Corimandel on holiday,
so he gave half of it away to the hotel
or something that he was staying at in Corimandel, and
then for the other teen CAGs he had to get
it back to christ Church, so he went to Ball
to chilibin. Now isn't that a case of sometimes the
free bee not being worth it? Happy to take the

(45:37):
twenty cages of k but now he's paying money to
buy a chilibin to get at home. So you know
it messes with our brains, doesn't it. Five twenty two Checking.

Speaker 1 (45:48):
The point of the story.

Speaker 2 (45:50):
It's Heather Duplicy Ellen drive with one New Zealand let's
get connected, and youth.

Speaker 3 (45:55):
Dog said, be yeah, can you please invite Grant Robertson
on to get his side of this debarcle? You what
actually fascinating? He's obviously what I get the feeling he
might be worried about what we think about him because
one of his little helpers just wrote an opinion piece
in the Herald. I'll run you through that hopefully in
the next half hour. Right now, it's five twenty five. Now,
if the secondary school teachers think that they're going to
get the support of Kiwi parents with next week's strike,

(46:17):
they're cutting themselves. I don't think they are. The thing is,
public support in these kinds of negotiations is really really important,
you know, when it comes to public pay negotiations. It's
why the unions and the ministers try so hard to
sell their own positions in the media, because public support
will determine how long the workers can strike for. And
if we support the workers, then we'll put up with

(46:38):
their strikes and they get a better chance of screwing
a good deal out of the government. But if we
don't support the workers, then we're not going to put
up with their strikes. They're going to have to settle
earlier and therefore for less than they actually want. Now, once,
can we see these numbers. I don't think that they're
going to think that teachers claims here are reasonable. Teachers
just got a fourteen and a half percent pay rise
two years ago. Now on top of that, they want

(47:00):
another eight percent, plus four percent the year after, plus
four percent the year after. Now you add that up,
that's more than thirty percent in five years. Hands up.
Who else has got a thirty percent pay rise in
five years? Now on top of that, what have we
been talking about for the last couple of years, If
not that we have a crisis in education with kids
failing to learn basic things and therefore failing their exams.

(47:22):
And what have we been implording for the last few weeks,
if not the bold moves by Erica Stanford to finally
reform education and give our kids a chance. So do
do teachers really think that, in that context of us
as parents being worried and applauding an education minister for
turning it around, that if they start disrupting kids learning
with the strike, that we're going to support them. It's
very unlikely. Teachers might need to brace themselves that they're

(47:45):
going to have to settle much closer to what the
government is offering them than the thirty percent that they
want over five years. Because read the.

Speaker 1 (47:51):
Room together, do for sea Ellen.

Speaker 3 (47:55):
That Israeli minister is going to be with us shortly now, listen,
I've got to tell you this. In fact, I'm not
gonna have time to tell you this. And this brings
me some despair. The most bizarre Inheriton's case has just
ended in Sydney, with one of the brothers cutting off
the ear or like a bit of the ear, of
the corpse of his other brother and then going to

(48:15):
court to try to get to be able to retake Oh,
it's just fascinating anyway, I'm gonna have to sorry, that's
like the world's worst tease. I'm gonna have to tell
you about it later because I absolutely have run out
of time on this one. Here the can you please
save the Disney discs for me? My two grandchildren staying
here from Dubai just love collecting them. Cat, you're gonna
send them back to Dubai with all THEO what do

(48:37):
you think their parents can do when they turn up
in Dubai with all those Disney discs and throw them
in the bin? Stop it?

Speaker 1 (48:41):
Cat.

Speaker 3 (48:42):
Headline's next.

Speaker 2 (48:49):
After making the news, the newsmakers talk to Heather first.
It's Heather Duplicy Ellen drive with One New Zealand. Let's
get connected news dogs.

Speaker 1 (48:59):
They'd be to you're taking me?

Speaker 14 (49:04):
How would your name go to?

Speaker 3 (49:08):
Right at the hut is standing by this evening. We've
got Phil O'Reilly and Rob Campbell with us, and then
after six o'clock we're going to talk to the mayor
of Watata Hunger. Max Baxter is not stoked with how
the government is having a cracked local government. Right now,
it's twenty five away from seven, it's from six rather now.
A member of the Israeli government has hit back at
Chris lux and the Prime Minister after his comments on
the war in Gaza yesterday.

Speaker 21 (49:28):
I think lettin Yahoo has gone way too far.

Speaker 3 (49:32):
I think he has lost the plot now. Israel's Deputy
Minister of Foreign Affairs, Sharon Haskell, fired back, claiming New
Zealand's biggest threat to life were possums and cats and
she's with us right now, hash Sharon. I had a
good morning, good morning to you. Now, Sharon, You've got
a point there. But Chris Luxon also has a point,
doesn't he. I mean, you guys have lost the plot

(49:53):
with what's going on in Gaza.

Speaker 16 (49:55):
Well, c First of all, I stand by Prime Minister
in to now and his actions. Every single thing that
he did in the last two years, the sole purpose
of it was to defend our people, our country and
our children. The reality year is very tough and the
Middle East is a very very tough neighborhood as well,

(50:17):
with many changes, and we're facing death cult tourist organization
jihadists who have not just committed the worst massacre of
Jews since the Holocaust, but they continue to reiterate and
say over and over again that whenever they'll have the chance,
they'll create, and they'll do the massacre, the raping, the

(50:38):
burning alive, over and over again. I think it's just
natural that any country will try and defend the country.
We cannot live beside a Nazi deaf cult, and so look,
it's been very difficult to combat them, and obviously the
situation is far more complex because they hold hostages, and

(51:00):
that makes it far more difficult for us.

Speaker 3 (51:03):
Yes, I mean, but this is where the plot has
been lost. Your defense of Israel and your attempts to
get the hostages back have now resulted in children starving
to death. That is unacceptable.

Speaker 16 (51:16):
Well, you know, I dispute the fact that you put
the responsibility for the humanitarian crisis on Israel.

Speaker 3 (51:24):
You are responsible for.

Speaker 1 (51:27):
No.

Speaker 16 (51:28):
Well, the first one that is responsible for the humanitarian
crisis is a terrorist organization from US since the beginning,
was given free access, was looting them, was taxing them,
was benefiting from it. We've been trying to work with
the international community for almost two years now begging them

(51:49):
to stop using Genera as has been using this organization
because their own Yes, you have your own the facilities,
the logistics and so all done. The first responsibility is
not to take this as a political case, but as
a professional humanitarian case. And if the United Nation would

(52:10):
have said the proper agencies here to the gazen strip
that are capable that haves the logistics expertise to deal
in crisis in humanitarian crisis like the World Food Organization UNI,
SEF and World Health Organization, instead of just handing it
out from us, this would have looked very much differently.

(52:31):
We have been trying to work and their mission has
been failing since day one, and no matter how much
we've been trying to work together, Secretary General of UN,
Guterish have turned it into a political issue.

Speaker 3 (52:48):
I understand your frustration. I understand your frustration with the UN,
But is an argument about which idea organization is handing
out aid really worth having when there are children who
are done as a result of a lack of eide.
Surely the solution here is simply Surely the solution here
is just through which the aid organization just flood the

(53:10):
area with aid. That way Hamas loses control of it
and the kids get fed.

Speaker 16 (53:15):
Well, that's the problem that I think you don't really understand,
because they were handing out to be distributed by a
terrorist organization that threw the control over the food and
the shelter in the medicine, were controlling the population. When
we tried to build a second channel, the Americans were
putting a new aid organization to funnel more aid because

(53:40):
that system was failing. What did Hamas do? They created chaos.
They declared that anyone that would go and collect free
food directly to Savinian will be called a traitor, and
in guards that traitors are executed. They put a bounty
on the head of the humanitarian workers to create chaos

(54:01):
in those distributions. Do you understand that?

Speaker 3 (54:03):
Do you understand the international argument here that if you
flood the area with aid, harmasa's control over aid and
therefore over the population is loosened and the kids get
fed and HARMASA is no longer relevant because there's just
so much aid.

Speaker 16 (54:16):
If only if many organizations are the one who are
going to distribute it. If you look on the last
cease fire when Gazza was fielded with humanitarian aid, you
saw that Tramas was pocketing millions of dollars. It was
the first time since the seventh of October that Tramas
was able to pay one hundred percent of all the

(54:38):
salaries of all the terrorists and was the first time
it was able to recruit new terrorists to fight and
kill is rabbies and so that had become duicidal. You
need to understand that the situation is.

Speaker 23 (54:51):
Much more complex than the blood biballs and the propaganda
that Traumas is spreading, where most of the media is
taking almost all the information straight from the mouthpiece from US.

Speaker 16 (55:05):
And it's buying into this.

Speaker 3 (55:07):
I don't understand this situation is fun. I understand you're saying, Sharon, listen,
are you guys in in the government aware of just
how upset the international community is about what they are
seeing and how out of step you guys are with
the rest of us Now?

Speaker 16 (55:24):
I think that many in the international community are very
much concentrating on the process.

Speaker 3 (55:30):
Another result, I think I think when Trump of did children.

Speaker 16 (55:36):
Well on a contrary because if that was the aim
of some of the leadership, then they weren't destroyed the
delicate negotiation that were going on for almost a month
during the times where we were making so many concessions
towards from us and demands when we were negotiating and

(55:57):
Israel agreed three times for a sea fire and Commasins refused,
And while we were negotiating, some of these leadership like
Macron and others.

Speaker 24 (56:10):
Make claims who tough in Commasin's position during the negotiations
and completely obliterating any kind of chance for a cea spare.

Speaker 16 (56:21):
So, if you're concentrating on their children, and if you
want a ceasefire, then you do what you know Trump
did in the beginning, put enough pressure on commands so
that they will be forced to agree to a ceasefire
that will release the hostages that are being starved to death,
being abused, being tortured. And on the other hand, elevate

(56:43):
and give a ceasefire for the Palestinian give an opportunity
to bring in eight. That's what the responsible thing to
do is when I.

Speaker 3 (56:53):
See, I'm sorry we've got I really appreciate your points
and I don't mean to cut you off, but we
are really short on time sharing. Thank you so much
for taking the time to talk to us. Mate that
Sharon Haskell is Raelei, Deputy Minister of Foreign Affairs, to
take a break, go to the huddle next seventeen away
from six.

Speaker 2 (57:07):
The huddle with New Zealand Southeast International Realty, the ones
for unmasked results right.

Speaker 3 (57:13):
On the huddle of that seven? Who got Fellow Riley,
former former Business Business New Zealand boss and also ironed
you partners at the moment in Rob Campbell, au T
Chancellor and former Boss of Health New Zealand. How are
you too here?

Speaker 1 (57:24):
You going right?

Speaker 3 (57:25):
Phil? What do you make of that? From from Sharon Haskell?

Speaker 14 (57:29):
I have a lot of the sympathy.

Speaker 3 (57:32):
We'll go Phil this and then you Rob go Phil.

Speaker 14 (57:34):
Thanks mate. I've a lot of sympathy for what she's saying,
and a lot of what she's saying I think is
actually correct. I've been reading a lot about this. But
I also agree with our Prime Minister. I think I
think they have lost the plot. I think they need
to they need to think about what their war aims
are and how they get out of this and what
they're doing now is not doing that. So you know,
I think Lesson's absolutely right.

Speaker 3 (57:55):
Actually, Okay, what do you make of it?

Speaker 15 (57:56):
Rob?

Speaker 6 (57:58):
Well?

Speaker 19 (57:58):
You can see why it's hard to get peace there,
can't you? But I have you don't think the Prime
Minister is correct. It was good for him to show
some humanity. But the truth is Netanya who hasn't lost
the plot. He is carefully following the plot. It's been
the same plot all the way along. They want to
destroy Hamas, they want to destroy Gaza and potentially destroy

(58:19):
the Palestinians. And I think it is the plot. So
I'm sorry. I think the Prime Minister's wrong. He hasn't
lost it. He's carrying it through.

Speaker 3 (58:26):
Interesting, Okay, listen, I should Phil Should the Royal Commission
of Inquiry change its mind and summons just under it?

Speaker 6 (58:33):
Ol? No.

Speaker 14 (58:35):
The reason is I don't. I think that's going too far.
And I think, you know, there's the politicians who refuse
to turn up have demonstrated already to the public of
New Zealand that the very issues that have been raised
by the government about them right now under which they
they were on the podium of truth every day, they're
oppit to turn up.

Speaker 6 (58:51):
Now.

Speaker 14 (58:52):
I think enough's been said. And if that were summons,
there'll be no good to it. Anyway. They wouldn't say anything.
They'd lawyer up. They know you have agree adversarial arrangement,
and that the whole idea of this Commission of Inquiry
is to get to some actionable truth, some actionable kind
of stuff that can that can get rid of the
cracks and actually let us move forward together. So you
know they've done what they've done, I think we move on,

(59:14):
And because I'll cooperate with the inquiry in other ways.

Speaker 3 (59:16):
Yeah, if the point of it, and I agree Rob
that the point of it is to remove the cracks
and let us move on. This is not letting us
move on, is it. If you don't have the very
people who made the decisions answering the questions in public.

Speaker 19 (59:29):
Well, I guess I don't know about the performance side
of it.

Speaker 6 (59:31):
I don't even.

Speaker 19 (59:32):
Know how much they've answered the legitimate questions that the
Commission has. I mean, if they've answered the questions in
some other way and want to avoid the performance, I
can sort of understand that. And frankly, I don't think
it's going to persuade anyone either way to change their
mind about the COVID period. Unfortunately, it would be good
if we could do that and move on, But I

(59:53):
don't think it's actually very gemine to it whether they
turn up or not.

Speaker 3 (59:57):
Do you think, actually, Phil, now that I think about
it, it is possible that they have fallen into a trap
that was set for them, which is do you think so.

Speaker 6 (01:00:05):
Yeah, that may be.

Speaker 14 (01:00:06):
I mean it's possible that was the case. That would
be very cynical to say that.

Speaker 6 (01:00:09):
Ye.

Speaker 14 (01:00:10):
But the hard thing is, well, that's right, as was
the government of the day, as was the disinderdurned government's
reaction to COVID. That was highly political as well, of course,
so there's politics everywhere year. But I think you know
that they were lying on this convention that you know
for politicians in public or on commissions of inquiry, a
convention I was unaware of until I was made aware
of it. Had advice over the last couple of days,

(01:00:30):
by the way, but these are very unusual times, and
some of the commentators have made the point that in Britain,
the various prime ministers and the various senior officials did
turn up and talk about this publicly because they were
unprecentered times. That's the very point of the matter, right.
So I think they've done themselves damage already by saying no,
we're not going to turn up publicly and talk about this,
because by doing so they might have actually got more

(01:00:51):
people on side with what they were trying to do.
They did have some hard decisions to make. Whether we
agreed with the decisions or not. Whether I agreed it's
another matter. But I think they did themselves a disservice
now by saying we won't talk about it. But that's
down to them. I don't think the you know, forcing
them to turn up lectually elp.

Speaker 3 (01:01:07):
In a court of law. If you're accused of murder
and you don't take the stand, you look guilty, and
the same thing that's just happened, right, except, of course,
I mean I should clarify that I'm accused of murder
at all. Now, Rob, you're a union man. Have the
teachers got us on board?

Speaker 19 (01:01:23):
The teachers typically can get offside in these disputes, and
they'll be acutely aware of that. So I think that
wait and see where these negotiations lead to. I'm not
too concerned about it at the moment, and I think
that the teachers have got some legitimate arguments. You would
have thought that they could probably get them sorted out.

(01:01:43):
It's a bit of a joke, this idea about, you know,
the government saying that they're not bargaining in good faith,
because after all, the government has laid down some pretty
strict guidelines as to what could be done in the negotiations.

Speaker 6 (01:01:54):
So is that good faith? I don't know.

Speaker 19 (01:01:56):
It might be there is that they'll be able to
sort something out.

Speaker 3 (01:01:59):
I think they might have to fill because I mean, here,
look at thirty percent pay rise in five years is
out the gate as it is?

Speaker 14 (01:02:06):
I agree, And of course a nine min old employer's advocate,
Rob's an old union official, so we'll say aligne to you.
These teachers are already getting four percent to seven and
a half percent anyway, because they're on a stepped pay
increase each year, so that one percent is not one
that's actually five to eight percent actually, as well as
that they're already being paid, according to the union, about

(01:02:26):
one hundred grand a year, which is not exactly some change.
So I think they've just got to get to the table.
And I'm sure Rob is a good union official and
the A is a good employers advocate, would say they've
got to get to the table, try and sort it out,
because if they do go on strike and they have
to demonstrate to mums and dads that they had no
choice but to And I don't think they demonstrated that
just yet.

Speaker 19 (01:02:44):
One of the very foy things I've learned, very early
things I learned in the union and the negotiating world
was that outside people's opinions about claims and counterclaims are
almost always wrong and almost always unhelpful. So I think
almost let the teachers and the government sort of out
themselves without us coming on who's right and who's wrong.

Speaker 3 (01:03:05):
Let's see how it goes. Thank you both, so don't
help myself, Rob, Thank you both so much. Appreciated. Rob Campbell,
Fellow Raleigh A huddled This evening had away from six.

Speaker 2 (01:03:15):
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Speaker 3 (01:03:23):
Heather, great interview. Thank you very much for letting the
Israel DFM speak most media very one sided. I think
she was correct in her assessment and that humas ultimately
responsible for the plight of aid not getting through to
Palestinian people. Cheers Pete. Listen, this is such a fraught subject,
isn't it. Once upon a time? What a way to

(01:03:43):
start a young five four ten years ago? Now she's
time flies. Ten years ago. I went I went on
a trip to the US. It was one of those
ones organized by the US Embassy in New Zealand, and
they they got a whole bunch of people from around
the world, you know, youngish people who they thought that
we're going to be influencers or thinkers or whatever in
the future, and obviously a member of the media kind

(01:04:05):
of fits into that category. So anyway, they got us
into Washington, took us around the US and stuff, and
we got talking. It was people from Europe, Vatican City,
you know, Georgia, Estonia, that kind of thing, whatever, the
whole various other places as well, Africa and stuff, and
we got talking about what was happening in the Middle East.
And I really remember one of the guys who I
think was from Bosnia. It got really angry with me

(01:04:26):
because I was of the view that, you know, I
was all like, pacifist, pathifist, pathifists, you know, put down
your weapons. And he was like, you have no idea
what you were talking about. You live in New Zealand.
No one can get to you, and even if they
wanted you, it wouldn't be worth the hassle. You guys
are the safest people out there. You do not know
what it feels like to be living with a threat
of missiles, and that really stuck with me. And I

(01:04:46):
think we have to remember that when we talk about
the Middle East. I'm not picking sides here. I am
on the side of the children. I just want those
children in Gaza to be able to eat. I think
the Israelis have a point that Hermas is nicking the aid,
but I think the Palace d Indians have a point
that if there is no aid, there is no aid
to nick and the kids are dying. And in fact,
I would say, and I mean from my position, I

(01:05:07):
almost I'm almost so in favor of the children that
I would let Hummus nick the aid just to be
able to feed the kids. I do not think either
of these sides are good here. I don't think the
IDF and the Israeli government is behaving well, nor do
I think Hummus is behaving well. I feel terrible for
the children caught in it. But the point that we
are start, I mean, if that interview didn't tell you that,
then what you need to understand is it is not

(01:05:28):
simple when you're in that situation. If it was simple,
we wouldn't be in that situation. Anyway, just fingers cross
and prayers to God that the kids actually get some
food at some stage in the near future and we're
able to help that situation. Four away from six, listen,
I need to tell you about this inheritance case of Cape.
So this isn't Sydney. So what happened is the brother
dies of COVID. This is a couple of years ago.

(01:05:48):
Now he doesn't leave a will. Now under New South
Wales succession laws, if you die with the outer will
your children get it. As you would imagine, the brother
only had one son who would get everything, including a
million dollar property and inn at Sydney. But the brother
is not sure that the brother wants the stuff. He
wants the granny to get it right, so he sets

(01:06:09):
out to prove that the sun is not actually the
son of the dead brother. So what he does is,
while his brother is lying in the coffin dead, he
cuts off part of his ear, and then the coffin
lid shuts and they have the funeral ceremony and then
the cremat and the next day he keeps the samples
of his brother's ear in two glass jars in the freezer.
And anyway, eventually he tries to prove that the sun

(01:06:30):
is not his by getting at DNA sampled and they're like,
what are you doing with bits of his ear? So
he gets charged with interfering with the corpse. Then he
takes a court case to try to obtain the human
tissue from police for testing. He just failed in that
court case. Wild times an inheritance law in Sydney. A wow,
try not to do that if he can, or Torohong

(01:06:51):
is mayor.

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The outgoing mayor of Uturohunga has had a crack at

(01:07:28):
central government, saying it needs to stop using local government
as a punching bag Max BacT. Max Baxter rather says
his twelve year term has been enjoyable, but he's sick
of the government dumping unfunded mandates on local authorities with
no financial help. And he's with us now, I'm Max,
your cureder, Heather, what have you not loved?

Speaker 4 (01:07:46):
Oh?

Speaker 25 (01:07:47):
Look, it's just getting incredibly challenging out there, and I
think the rhetoric that's been throwing at local government in
recent times is doing way more harm than good. I
think it's about time the central government and local government
work together rather than throwing barbs each other. And we've
got elections in a few weeks time here now, and
like I've seen a lot of elected members, mayors, fellow

(01:08:07):
elected members that have been under a lot of pressure,
a lot of criticism. There's been death threats, violence threats
against people, and it's not helped by the rhetoric, this
throne at local government, elected members by central government.

Speaker 3 (01:08:19):
I mean, look, we all want fights to stop and stuff,
but they're going to it's going to happen, it's going
to continue. So what is it that they've ordered you
guys to do that's unfunded that's really got your goat?

Speaker 25 (01:08:30):
Yeah, I think we talk about a lot of legislative
requirements and look a couple of things here that I
think about big brother playing party with us. You know,
still more to consents alone for us this year are
going to be three hundred thousand dollars for a Toronto
District council. Our auditing fees are two hundred and eighty
thousand dollars for this year. And we keep on looking
at those costs and legislation that comes on us. And

(01:08:52):
I know the government is talking about it. Minister Bishops
talking about cutting a lot of the red tape and
I get that, but you know, these costs you think
about a small commun unity in a small district, they're
incredibly prohibitive when we're just trying to get things done.

Speaker 3 (01:09:05):
Sounds to me like this local water done well business
is going to be a bit of a stuff up?
Is it.

Speaker 25 (01:09:11):
Look gosh less?

Speaker 6 (01:09:12):
Wait? And see?

Speaker 25 (01:09:13):
I mean it's I think if a lot of these things,
if the money was actually just given to us to
do the job, rather than all the money that's spent
setting up new entities, we could get a lot done.
And I think if we go back to the storm
water and consents for seawalls and the likes. If the
money was there available for us to actually just do
the work, wouldn't we get a lot more done?

Speaker 3 (01:09:32):
Okay? Now, what do you think of the political parties
coming to local government, like actors just announced they're going
to be standing candidates.

Speaker 25 (01:09:40):
No, I don't agree with it all. I mean, this
is about local democracy. We're talking here. We're talking about
citizens that really care for the communities in which they live,
that want the best for their communities. And the last
thing we need is some central government political overload and
local government system, isn't.

Speaker 3 (01:09:56):
It, don't you think? I mean the problem that we've
got is not a lot of people vote in local
government anymore. And I think part of the problem macts
is because we look at this list of people, go
I don't know who this is. I don't know what
they stand for, and it just feels just like too
much mental load. So if you have a blue box
or a pink box, or a red box or a
green box, at least you know kind of roughly what
they stand for. It's shorthand it gets us involved again.

(01:10:18):
What do you think?

Speaker 25 (01:10:19):
No, then you ask the question, why do we have
local government? I mean local government is there about caring
for the communities. And we've heard a lot of rhetoric
around getting rid of the well beings, you know, the social, economic, environmental,
and cultural aspects of what we do. If you get
rid of those, who's going to deliver on that? And
what's left once you take away those well beings in
a community? That is what people get up for. They

(01:10:41):
get up for to be locked after they're there for
vibrant communities, So somebody has to deliver that. And with
the erosion or potential erosion of local government, you'll get
to the point where who is actually going to deliver
on those because it's certainly not being delivered by central government.

Speaker 6 (01:10:57):
Currently.

Speaker 25 (01:10:57):
Local government is the last man standing, so we need
to be there.

Speaker 3 (01:11:02):
So what about the argument that a whole bunch of
stuff that we actually just used to do for ourselves
and each other, like our neighbors and our family and
our friends, we now expect these authorities to do for us.
You shouldn't be relying on an authority for your well being.
You should just be doing it as a community.

Speaker 25 (01:11:17):
I think we're local government for some of us. If
you look at a council, we look at us ourselves
as anchor institutions, and we're there to facilitate the opportunity.
So somebody's got organized communities to do this. So we
don't actually have to deliver as councils, but someone has
got to facilitate the opportunity.

Speaker 3 (01:11:33):
What about some communities just organize the street barbecue themselves.
Why do we need a local government body to do that?

Speaker 25 (01:11:39):
Go on here there, it's a bit bigger than a barbecue,
you know that is. I mean, we've got roadstock after it,
rubbish to back up, we've got But.

Speaker 3 (01:11:45):
That's not well being, that's just your job.

Speaker 6 (01:11:49):
They are they really well being?

Speaker 3 (01:11:50):
That's infrastructure.

Speaker 25 (01:11:52):
Oh come on the road that you travel on that
hasn't got potholes. There's well being. For a farmer that
there's exactly what he needs to have to get to do.
So yeah, come on here. In a small community like ours,
we're not building event seeds is, we're not building anything fancy.
We're looking after our communities.

Speaker 3 (01:12:08):
So the vibrant No, no, I agree with that as
we Okay, Well, if that's your well being, that's the
wellbeing that I like, Max, Thank you very much, appreciate it,
Max Baxter. Or to the hungers mayor what's the time?
Twelve past six? Heather was are falling off me? So
what happened was I watched ted Lasso. You watch ted Lasso,

(01:12:29):
and you know the bad guy and ted Lasso, what's
his name, the really annoying one who ends up backstabbing him,
you know, the one who's is like like sidekick at
the short chap he's a sidekick and then he goes
anywhere and then.

Speaker 20 (01:12:40):
Spoilers for ted Lasso, everybody, Sorry, I don't know. I
haven't seen the show, and now I know how it
ends so.

Speaker 3 (01:12:47):
I can see his face. It's so annoying, you know,
the character that everybody hates because he's a dickhead. Anyway,
he says wonder kid, and then everybody's like, no, it's
not wonder kid, it's wonder kinned and he's like, no,
it's wonder kid. And that has ruined it for me.
It's completely ruined it. I cannot say the word now
without what like doing exactly the same thing as him
and wandering which of the two. It's same as Epitome.

(01:13:10):
Once some one of my friends said Epitome on tally
and it became now I can't look at epit to
me without seeing epitome and second guessing myself. And I'll
tell you what, Hyperbowl is getting very close to also
being one of those. Anyway, I think Laura just said it.
It's more like wunderkind. Now shut up. It's really annoying
when you've got you know what, you know what you
just did a you just corrected someone's pronunciation. I am

(01:13:33):
speaking English not German. Therefore it is wunder kid. Anyway, listen,
I'm going to bring up to date with this business,
with what's going on with the COVID inquiry. One of
the people obviously who's who's declined to appear is Aisha
or Asia. Aisha. There's more of them. They're everywhere. It's
all the potholes in the English language. Aisha Verel, former

(01:13:56):
Health minister, she doesn't want to appear on that. She's
part of the for the kabal four have said no.
She was on a mcmill's show in Wellington this morning though.
And what is becoming a parent is that these four
are acting in coordination. So the lawyer is Denton's. Kensington
swan Ei Cheveril revealed this morning her lawyer is also Denton's.

Speaker 7 (01:14:17):
Did they make that decision with you individually or as
a group that no one was going to present, No
one was going to front.

Speaker 3 (01:14:23):
Up the decisions. I stand by the decisions that I
have had.

Speaker 7 (01:14:29):
Question. Sorry, but that wasn't the question.

Speaker 9 (01:14:30):
I've got to get so I can find.

Speaker 3 (01:14:33):
Nick has another go and asking basically the same question.
I take responsibility for the decisions that I have made
with respect to this so and yeah, well you know
you've got to go in for a third time.

Speaker 7 (01:14:44):
Would you have turned up, take all the other stuff away,
the lawyers, the bs, everything away? Would you have fronted?

Speaker 19 (01:14:51):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (01:14:51):
I take responsibility for the decisions I have made. I
have answered all of their questions. They're all acting in
cahertz and don't you miss her? Wasn't it a lovely
time when our health minister sounded absolutely petrified of having
to talk out loud? Quarter past six.

Speaker 2 (01:15:07):
It's the Heather Dupers Allen Drive Full Show podcast on
my Heart Radio empowered by newstalg Zebbi.

Speaker 3 (01:15:15):
Nat. His name was Nat, the irritating guy in ted Lasso.
Eighteen past six.

Speaker 1 (01:15:23):
The Rural Report on Heather dupersy Allen Drive.

Speaker 3 (01:15:26):
Jamie McKay hosted the Countries with us a Jamie got heather.
So sheep numbers are down one percent, beef cattles up
nearly well, just over four.

Speaker 4 (01:15:35):
Yeah, okay. And on the face of a fall of
one percent for the sheep number doesn't appear to be
too bad. But worryingly, the breeding is the ones that
produced the lambs have fallen by nearly two percent. Here's
the numbers heather we're now in this country only have.
When I say only, we only have twenty three point
three million sheep. It's about exactly one third of what

(01:15:58):
we had in nineteen eighty two. There's about four sheep
to every one of us now. Back in the nineteen sixties,
the Holy Oak years, there was thirty sheep to every
one of us. So we've seen a real decline and
sheep numbers now. Beef and land New Zealand. This is
part of their annual stock number survey. They're estimating that

(01:16:18):
two point six million stock units have been lost to
a forestation since twenty seventeen, and they're saying that despite
the argument from some in the forestry industry or the
carbon farming industry, a forestation is responsible for seventy eight
percent of the total reduction in sheep and beef stock
numbers since twenty seventeen. Heither, and that leads onto the

(01:16:41):
story about what Federated Farmers are on about at the
moment regarding the report back to Parliament.

Speaker 3 (01:16:47):
Yeah, they say the government isn't going far enough when
it comes to banning the pines taking over productive farmland.
What do they want the government to do?

Speaker 4 (01:16:54):
Well, go a bit further, be a bit tougher on
the legislation. I don't know whether a nice suggested this
to Wayne Langford, the president today on my show, whether
the forestry spokesman who's also the new sheep and beef
spokesman he took over from Toby Williams. I know that
you spoke to Toby. He was the guy and behind
to save our Sheep campaign. Well, Richard Dawkins said many

(01:17:16):
farmers will be feeling a total sense of betrayal. That
might be over egging at a week, but he did say, look,
there's one silver lining. They've tightened the rules around the
silly intent to plant tests. So what they were saying
when they announced these restrictions at the early December last
year was if you had some seedlings and you could
prove that you'd bought them or an invoice, you could

(01:17:38):
go ahead and plant. They're now saying tough. If you
had the seedlings seedlings with no land to plant them on,
that doesn't count as a clear intent to plant. I
think what our federated farmers are disappointed about heather, in fact,
to quote them, extremely disappointed, is that the ban whole
farm conversions only applies to land use capability classes one

(01:18:01):
to five. That's the good land. Okay, So the FEDS
are saying, in reality, that's only about twelve percent of
farm conversions were happening on that land. Anyhow, Dawkins said
two thirds of sheep and beef farms are on classes
six and seven land, that legislation doesn't apply to them.
They can go one hundred percent if they want to.

(01:18:22):
Federated farmers argue that every single farm in the country
should be subject to the same twenty five percent carbon
credit limit, no matter what it's our u SE rating is.
So there you go. The Feds and the foresters are fighting.

Speaker 3 (01:18:37):
Yeah very much. So Hey, thanks very much, Jamie. Talk
to you again next week. That's Jamie mckaie, host of
the Country. Yeah, have you caught up on people's coffee yet,
especially if you put money into it. Have you heard
the news I'll run you through at six twenty one.

Speaker 1 (01:18:49):
If it's to do with money, it matters to you.

Speaker 2 (01:18:52):
Your business hour where the head duplic Ellen and it
mas for Trusted Home Insurance Solutions news talks dB.

Speaker 3 (01:19:00):
Yeah, the local government is a flawed concept. I want
nothing to do with Why would I bother voting? I
need to get rogered and extorted by a bunch of hillbillies.
The sooner that local local body government's centralized or run
under political party lines, the sooner I will start participating
in local body elections. Again, that's from herb. Do you
know what. I still think it's a good idea. I
still think it's a good idea. And what it would
do is, you know you've got punters sitting around the

(01:19:22):
council table at the minute going. I think we should
spend money on what about a bi crack on Oriental
Parade and we can make it raally, you know, like
they just they spend like Dosco lights disco lights on
Taranaki Street in Wellington. You know, they just come up
with stupid stuff. I'll tell you what, and they get
away with it. They get away with it because hardly
anybody actually participates anymore. But I'll tell you what if

(01:19:44):
they were belonging to let's just say the ACT Party
and we started getting angry at the ACT Party, I
bet you the ACT Party in central government start whipping
them and making them make some sensible decisions as a
result of it. Now, don't expect that kind of behavior
from the Greens or Labor. They don't mind the spending.
We're going to come to that at some stage in
this show. But you will expect a a greater degree
of rigor from parties on the right to do with spending. Therefore,

(01:20:04):
I welcome political parties getting involved in local government. Now,
if you like oh, by the way, it's six twenty five, If.

Speaker 1 (01:20:09):
You like Heather dupless Yellen.

Speaker 3 (01:20:11):
Magic, if you like People's Coffee, you need to know
it's just being bought by the competitors Cutamoo Coffee, which
is also a Wellington brand. Now, the interesting thing about
this is that couple of three years ago, People's Coffee
went crowdfunding and they wanted they wanted people to chuck
some cash and so that they could compete in the
supermarket wholesale market, and people put in a fair bit

(01:20:33):
of money, like some people put in six hundred dollars,
some people put in four hundred dollars. Whatever, these people
will get nothing back from the sale of People's coffee.
The guy who sold People's coffee says he's going to
do his best to sell the plant, which is a
couple of roasters, and then redistribute the capital to investors. However,
he says, I want to be clear, even if this
plant can be sold, it will be a small percentage
of what you will put in. So perhaps a lesson

(01:20:55):
in not getting involved with the crowdfunding if you can
avoid it. Six twenty sacks for Allen Shoba's news for you.
Donald Trump has have enough the names of the Kennedy
Center honor recipients for twenty twenty five. It's the highest
award you can get in the US for lifetime contribution

(01:21:16):
to the arts, and it's Trump's first year as chairman
of the board. Previous honorees have been Meryl Streep and
Johnny Cash and Dolly Parton and Queen Latifah. This year's
winners include the band Kiss and Silver Stallone. But if
that wasn't trumpy enough for you. He's also going to
be hosting it.

Speaker 8 (01:21:31):
He said, I'm the President of the United States. Are
you fools asking me to do that? Sir, you'll get
much higher ratings, he said, I don't care. I'm President
of the United said I won't do it. They said please,
and then Susie Well said, to be started like a horse.
I said, okay, Susie'll do it.

Speaker 3 (01:21:50):
Basically, just tell Susie to tell him to do it,
and then he'll do it anyway. Also getting the awards
the disco Legend Glory again or and we're all going
to be able to watch the awards live in December.
How good is that? Can't wait? It's going to be
Trump's involved. It's going to be hilarious in a good
or a bad way. Hard to know. Jamie beaton Crimson
Education with US. Next news is coming at.

Speaker 1 (01:22:10):
You, croaching the numbers and getting the results.

Speaker 2 (01:22:25):
It's Heather dupleic Ellen with the Business Hour and MAS
for Trust at Home Insurance Solutions News Talks.

Speaker 26 (01:22:32):
That'd be what is a fil right about you? Everybody
is a fill I can tell you anything. Oh the
secrets that you me and change that.

Speaker 3 (01:22:43):
I have been promising to tell you. About Grant Robinson's
defensive spending and stuff. So stand by, I'm going to
do that very shorty. We're also going to go to
the UK with In de Brady. It's twenty five away
from seven. Now. After turning the overseas education industry on
its head, Jamie Beaton is setting his sights on a
new a new venture. He's created a spin off of
Crimson Education that will focus on getting key we startups

(01:23:04):
access to the US market. It's called Concord Visa. It
will guide users through the confusing US immigration process and
help them secure special visas. Head let's have a chat
to Jamie. Jamie, Hello, how are you doing very well?
Have we found you yet again at an airport?

Speaker 4 (01:23:20):
Yes?

Speaker 15 (01:23:21):
We have, but I've just walked outside of the door,
so it should be quiet.

Speaker 6 (01:23:24):
Now.

Speaker 3 (01:23:24):
I feel like every time I talk to you, Jamie,
you're at an airport. Do you just live in airports
at the minute?

Speaker 15 (01:23:29):
It does feel that way.

Speaker 3 (01:23:30):
Yes, well that's what happens when you're a hot shot.
He Now tell me how this venture works. Is this
just aimed at startups or is it also students? Is
it for everybody?

Speaker 15 (01:23:41):
So for the last twelve years we've been helping so
many ambitious kiwis getting into these amazing universities and they
get these f one visas to stay in the country.
And when I finished my own program, I didn't have
to find a way to keep building Crimson in the States,
and so I found this obscure visa category called the
one visa, which helped me to actually begin being able
to work in the US. And so the first folks

(01:24:02):
we helped were students, ambitious kids that wanted to actually
take advantage of these degrees and keep going. And then
we realized actually there were all these high growth companies
like Tracks in New Zealand that were trying to expand
in the US market, and we could actually not just
help individuals, but help whole teams, whole companies with a
rapid expansion. So we've expanded from just students to companies
and other organizations.

Speaker 3 (01:24:23):
Are these people who want to go over to the
US temporarily or setup set up shop there permanently.

Speaker 15 (01:24:30):
So take a company like Zero or you know, for example,
Holt or Rocket Labs. They initially start in New Zealand,
but they want to have this massive ability to tap
into the US market, which now has become, for example,
Crimson's biggest market. So often they want to send stuff
from the New Zealand team to America to crack the
market higher local teams and then often bring those kivs
back or you know, to a new market. And so

(01:24:50):
often it's sort of the shop troops, those sales and
marketers as revenue leaders, maybe the founders who want to
go over there and get the business going. And so
often it's about it's about global expansion qv companies.

Speaker 3 (01:25:01):
How do you think this business that's going on in
the UK and the US, sorry at the moment with
people ending up an ice attention scenes as including a
Kiwi at the minute, is that going to put people off?

Speaker 4 (01:25:13):
No?

Speaker 15 (01:25:13):
So, you know, I've been on the ground in New
York for last four years and there's definitely a lot
of media hysteria around some of these ice attentions. But
for a Kiwi or you know, someone who's building a
company in the States, it's really two different realities. You know,
it's kind of unfortunate, but I think that you know,
it's really really different.

Speaker 6 (01:25:28):
Kettle of fish.

Speaker 15 (01:25:28):
So a lot of our folks are looking to move
to places at New York, of California. These amazing hubs
of economic activity, business opportunity, growth, opportunity, and naturally where
our students and our companies are working with the focused on.

Speaker 3 (01:25:41):
Jamie, how much are you loving the fact that NCEA
has been put on the bin.

Speaker 15 (01:25:46):
I'm glad it's in the trash, and you know it's
it really honestly has been haunting students for a while now,
because you know, I've seen twelve years of Kiwi's doing
nca Cambridge and IV and you know, the reality is
NCAA has the internals that are really low integrity. A
lot of students now use GPT. It isn't world class.
It's super confusing, it's like hieroglyphics, and so getting rid

(01:26:08):
of that and having a truly world class standard actually
means dou Kibis can compete on the world's biggest stages.
People talk about equity education, but actually the way to
start equity is really to have people taking a curriculum,
a public school curriculum that actually can take you anywhere.
And so I'm pumped about this and honestly it's very inspiring.

Speaker 3 (01:26:25):
Do you think they've made the right call here though,
in setting up yet another New Zealand that bespoke certificate
or should we actually have gone with ib or Cambridge.

Speaker 15 (01:26:36):
So, I mean Singapore took the A levels from the
UK and they tuned them up, made them even more rigorous,
incorporated some local history and that's been wildly effective there.
I think as long as the curriculum that is being
developed has you know, research around international maths and English
standards and it's really exam based. There aren't these kind
of ways to get around those exams with internals that

(01:26:57):
aren't you that aren't greaded properly. I think that could
be a really good outcome, you know, for a COSF
efficiency standpoint. Taking it an international curriculum is also very exciting.
But I think the approach is going to look great
and honestly it's a massive step forward. And also, you know,
there are many folks and for example the Ministry of
Education that are quite vested in the national curriculum and
so you know, I mean this also helps to get

(01:27:18):
their buy in as well.

Speaker 3 (01:27:19):
Yeah, Jamie, hey, thanks very much, enjoy your flight. That's
Jamie Beaton, Crimson Education founder.

Speaker 1 (01:27:25):
Ever.

Speaker 3 (01:27:26):
So you know what if you have a minute, if
you've got a question that you would like the COVID
inquiry to have to have as these four flick it
through to me. I've got another twenty minutes of the show,
and I quite like to see what people would like
to have asked. So I've just been thinking about it
myself a little bit lately. I reckon i'd like to
somebody actually sent a question through earlier. It was something
along the lines of when Auckland had gone into lockdown,

(01:27:47):
so we're talking August twenty one. By that stage, did
they realize that the COVID vaccine did not stop transmission,
which made the whole point of a lockdown kind of
pointless or made or at least no, it didn't make
the lockdown pointless. It made forcing people to take the
vaccine that they didn't want to take pointless, and the
mandates pointless. So if you have a question, I quite

(01:28:08):
like to know. It's one of the questions that I
would have. Also would be around the spending that Grant was,
you know, like you know, Grant got his little money
hose out, he just went nuts with it. Now it
seems to me that Grant is actually I suspect Grant
is starting is irritated by our constant criticism and the
Treasury's criticism recently, which came out last week, was it

(01:28:32):
on Friday. Because of the spending, Grant has got a
little help called Tony Toby Moore, who was an advisor
in his office from December twenty twenty onwards, and he's
just submitted today an opinion piece to the Herald kind
of explaining what they were up to and what his
argument for why they spent so much was that they
thought that the tax revenue would cover it. So they

(01:28:52):
thought they could blow as much cash as they did
because it would be okay. Corporates would keep on paying,
and companies and businesses and so on would and individual
like you and I would keep paying tax and therefore
would be fine, and the surplus would be achieved shortly
and blah blah blah. With that projection was completely out,
like way out by Treasury. And of course, as we've seen,
the economy has fallen off and nothing has None of
this has come true. I mean obviously that you could

(01:29:14):
argue any right thinking person would have predicted that given
that the country had been closed for god only knows
how long by that stage, two years or whatever. So
if you're going to shut down entire sectors like international
education and tourism, etc. You're probably going to have a
bit of a fall off on the tax revenue, but whatever. Anyway,
so he thought they could keep blowing money because they
were going to get heaps of money in, which is

(01:29:35):
also not very smart as living to the extent of
your budget. Also, what he says is that Treasury was
telling them different things at the same time. So Treasury
was telling them, hey, spending that much money is probably
not a good idea, but also could you spend more money?
He says, as late as October twenty twenty two, Treasury
was advising the Minister of Finance to increase the allowance

(01:29:56):
for the next budget from four point five billion to
five billion in the set In the half year Update
in twenty twenty two, Treasury express concern about what it
described as the largest fall in real government consumption since
nineteenninety seven. Now, look, I don't know enough to know
whether he's telling the truth here. I imagine he is.
I imagine that Treasury did give them conflicting advice. But
do you know what it's the role of the people
in that position. The Minister of Finance and all the

(01:30:17):
people around him in that case to make the right decision.
If you're just going to go and blame the officials
every single time you get something wrong, why don't we
just make the officials the Minister of Finance if you
can to turn your brain off and let Treasury run everything,
which is make Treasury the Minister of Finance. Minister of
Finance is in that position to cut through the bs
and decide the right thing to do and demonstrably in

(01:30:38):
this instance Grant Robertson did not make the right decision.
Seventeen away from seven.

Speaker 2 (01:30:42):
Whether it's macro microbe or just plain economics, it's all
on the Business Hour with Heather Duplicy Allen and Mas.

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For trusted Home Insurance Solutions use talks that'd be here.

Speaker 3 (01:30:55):
The Dentons, the law firm has represented the New Zealand
Labor Party for a long time, so it's no surprise
they're giving Labor Party MP's advice to steer clear of
the Royal Commission because they are protecting their interests. Katha's
bang on fourteen away from seven. Indo Brady UK correspondent
with us now Hey in dn Hey.

Speaker 9 (01:31:11):
Heather great to speak to you again, how likely.

Speaker 3 (01:31:12):
Do you think it is that Ukraine is going to
be carved up?

Speaker 9 (01:31:16):
Well, that's the big fear in Europe certainly. And look,
there was the last ditch zoom call yesterday with President Trump,
organized by the German Chancellor Friedrich Mertz, urging him not
to listen to Putin, not get involved in a carve up,
and that Ukraine must be represented at the next round
of negotiations. Now what I'm hearing this morning here is

(01:31:36):
that Vladimir Zelenski is due in the UK this morning
and he will head straight to Number ten Downing Street
for a meeting with kir Starmer. So this will be
a high profile You'll see a lot of pictures in
the next couple of hours. This will be a high
profile meeting and just you know, showing the world that
the UK has Ukraine's back. So the big fear tomorrow

(01:31:59):
is that we end up some sort of a botched deal.
The phrase we keep hearing from Americans is that will
be a West Bank style occupation. And I don't think
anyone should be basing a peace deal or a ceasefire
on anything that Israel has done in the past. It
simply doesn't work.

Speaker 3 (01:32:16):
What are the chances that there is actually that's something
concrete that comes out of this. Is it not a
greater chance that the whole thing falls over?

Speaker 9 (01:32:24):
I think the big, big fear is the President Trump
has no understanding of Putin's mentality, his thinking, or his
relentless meat grinder approach to the war in Ukraine. Putin,
if he calls a cease fire, if they manage to
get a cease fire, he will simply replenish, restock, and
go again. And you know this is a guy Putin

(01:32:47):
on record is saying to George W. Bush as far
back as two thousand and eight that he doesn't even
believe Ukraine is a country. So he's not going to
stop at Luhansk and Crimea and other regions that they
already have illegally occupied. The Putin plan is all of
Ukraine eventually, if not this year, if not next decade,

(01:33:07):
he will keep going. So we need someone to stop him.
And I think the big, big series concern in Europe
is that Trump thinks he's dealing with someone that you know,
is going to give his word.

Speaker 6 (01:33:19):
And keep it.

Speaker 3 (01:33:20):
And how much trouble is David Lemmy in over the fishing.

Speaker 9 (01:33:24):
So you would think that some of the army of
minions who surround themselves with our modern politicians would have
seen fit to go and buy a rod license. Last
week for JD. Vance and David Lammy, they called a photocol.
They got the photographers in.

Speaker 13 (01:33:40):
Oh.

Speaker 9 (01:33:41):
The Vance family are here on holidays. It's amazing JD
is fishing with David Lammy. No, no understanding of fishing
the environment. The Environment Agency rules if you go fishing
on a lake or a river in the United Kingdom,
you need a rod license. Any five year old fisher
man or girl would tell you this. Lammy and Jdvans

(01:34:03):
decided to go fishing, and then someone pointed out, ups,
we haven't got fishing licenses. So now that it's been
reported to the Environment Agency by Lammy himself, he's looking
at a five thousand dollars fine. Apparently he has gone
and bought retrospective licenses. But we'll see if that cuts
the mustard.

Speaker 3 (01:34:22):
Now, okay, so tell me, just just paint me the
picture of Andrew swearing at them.

Speaker 13 (01:34:27):
Go on. So here we go.

Speaker 9 (01:34:30):
We're in a heat wave this week. You might be
able to hear the air con. This is the only
room I've found in the building with air come by
the way, it's it's been twenty eight to thirty two
celsius most days this week in the South of England.
So some workmen have been brought into the Royal Estate
to install a speed bump just near the Royal Lodge
on Windsor Great Park, thirty two bedroom mansion that Andrew

(01:34:52):
rattles around him with his ex wife Sarah Ferguson. Count
the bedrooms thirty two. There are two adults in that property.
No wonder chain out So anyway, there have been reports
of someone driving like an idiot a great speed regularly
around the estate. Wonder who that could be? And workmen
are brought in to put in a speed bump. So

(01:35:14):
toiling away for probably I'm guessing about twenty five dollars
an hour, these poor fellas in the heat wave, breaking
their backs, digging out the road, putting in a speed bump,
and along comes Prince Andrew on a horse. He slows down,
he looks down at the workmen and word for word
he says, what the f are you doing?

Speaker 17 (01:35:33):
Now?

Speaker 9 (01:35:34):
That was how he greeted the workmen on the Royal Estate.
Funnily enough, they weren't happy it's ended up in the
papers this week and given all of the headlines this
guy is created in the last two weeks with the
new book about his life and lifestyle and how he
treats people, you would think Andrew might want to keep
a low profile. But there we go, the gift that
keeps on taking.

Speaker 3 (01:35:55):
What a knob. Hi, thank you in I appreciate it. Yeah,
h Brady UK Correspondent. Let's be honest, ay, I mean,
he is one of our princes, isn't he. But if
he was living in New Zealand and pulling that condition,
Nanigan just sort him out, wouldn't we go around there
tell him off? He wouldn't be a prince for long
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Speaker 3 (01:36:23):
Wow, you know what, I didn't expect that many texts
on what you would like answered. But this is the
value of having these people front up and answer these
questions in public because there are so many questions we
want answered. And look, I think the COVID Commission will
probably answer them in written form, but really, who reads
those reports? Heh, who reads those reports? Sitting there and
watching Jacinda, though, answer them. Would we get up in
the middle of the night for that, wouldn't we? Heather? Oh, Heather,

(01:36:45):
anybody who used that sort of language that Andrew just used,
install on somebody installing another speed bump would be doing
the Lord's work very shortly. Thank you, Nick. Okay, here
we go, Heather. My question for the COVID inquiry is
is it true that Jinda and Co's handling of the
pandemic saved over twenty lives. That's a good question, actually,
because Cindy still trots that number out in her book.
But I don't think that that is I think that

(01:37:07):
there's so much debate about it, she could probably be
accused of m misinformation. Hither, when we had ninety percent
of the vaccine update, my question is this, which is
way above any known herd immunity, why did they then
move to mandates? Good question. Hither. By mid to late
twenty twenty, this is the question many of us at
home were listening online to interviews with frontline medical stuff

(01:37:29):
in other countries, and they were talking about the early
treatment protocols that they were developing and using and how
effective it was here though, the whole time people with
COVID were basically told to stay home, keep up the fluids,
and come to hospital only when you have trouble breathing.
Why were we not learning from the medicos overseas. Hither
here's my COVID question. I was in full ppe gear,
so why it wasn't I allowed to see my mum
dying in hospital? I will never forget that, m as

(01:37:51):
I can imagine you will never Hither. Here's my question.
How much extra did they pay for the emergency vacine
vaccines that they brought from Spain and Portugal that were
flown in with only two days of supply left. And
it just goes on and on. These all great questions. Anyway,
hopefully they have to front up and answer them. Great
great news on a kind of grim a on a
just frankly a grim subject. Polky has been has been

(01:38:14):
back to the court room today for a procedural hearing
before the coronial in quest in to the death of
his wife, Pauline Hannah, and Polky has indicated might be
prepared to give evidence for the coronial inquiry. Now, I'm
up for that. You up for that, I'm up for that.
Should do it polky. I'm starting to feel I'm just

(01:38:35):
starting to wonder how much how much of this attention
for Philip Poulkinghorn is enjoying. But anyway, we'll find out
when he decides whether he's going to be taking that
stand or not.

Speaker 20 (01:38:45):
Hans talking Heads burning down the house to play us
out tonight. David Berne is probably best known as the
front man of the Talking Heads, and I don't think
he likes that He's best known as the front man
of Talking Heads, But could he rather be known for Well,
the thing is, it's been thirty four years since they
split up, and he's been making music since then. He's
just got a new solo album coming out, and he's
going to do a tour in support of the album.
But all anyone wants to talk from about his talking

(01:39:07):
So he said, yes, I will play some talking Head songs,
but I don't want to be just a legacy act
who plays of the old hits. So you know, I'm
going to play some of my own music as well.

Speaker 3 (01:39:14):
He can change that. He can make some of his
own hits better than his Talking Head's hits. Well, yeah,
I think that's what I will.

Speaker 20 (01:39:20):
Hope people will come for the talking head.

Speaker 3 (01:39:22):
Yeah, do we need to say to David Hate? Have
you heard of Harry Styles? His hits are better than
one directions, which is why he's called Harry Styles. Look
no lives there at all, David, because you're a bit strange,
aren't you with your music? No one really was talking
kids as well. To be fair, this is very very true. Okay,
thank you and hate tomorrow fry yay, how good see
you then?

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