Full Show Podcast: 26 August 2025

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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Addressing the newsmakers to get the real story. It's Heather
Duplicy Ellen Drive with One New Zealand to coverage like
no one else News Talk Savy.

Speaker 2 (00:12):
Good afternoon, Welcome to the show. Coming up today, The
NATS on why they've changed the four year electoral term bill,
the co founder of event Finder on selling it to
the global giant ticketect Today. Lincoln on whether it's fair
to make all of the students redo the exam if
only a few use the AI n cheated and Salt
Funds on why so many overseas investors are interested in
buying New Zealand businesses.

Speaker 3 (00:33):
Heather duper Cy Ellen.

Speaker 2 (00:34):
Look, I think it is significant that David Seymour has
walked away from supporting his own bill to bring in
four year terms for government. Now he was the one
who introduced the bill. He's now pulled ACT support. Every
other party in Parliament appears to steal back it, but
he's pulled ACT support because the safeguards that he wanted
are gone.

Speaker 4 (00:52):
Now.

Speaker 2 (00:52):
His idea was that we increase the terms from three
to four years. You vote the government and yet three
years and now he wants to make it four years,
which basically means giving the government more power, but he
was only okay with that if we balance it out
by taking away some power and then and his idea
was to allow the opposition parties to control every single
Select committee, giving them the power. But that part of

(01:13):
the plan, the select Select committee part of the plan
has been removed, so David Seymour doesn't support his own
idea anymore, which frankly I think is a good idea
because he has ended up exactly where I have been
this entire time. No to four year terms unless there
are new limits, because as it is, governments in this
country do not have much in the way of limits.

(01:33):
If they want to pass the law, they can, They
can do it under urgency. If they want to, they
can announce and pass it in literally the same day.
That is what happened with the pay equity law. Did
you like that? You want some more of that, because
that would would happen, but just for four years. This
is why Jeffrey Palmer said that we have the fastest
law in the West. Other countries have ways to limit
or control or check the power of the executive. They

(01:54):
have upper houses, they have senates. Whatever we've got nothing now,
given that everyone else, and Parliament seems to support this.
It seems to me a fair chance this is going
to go to referendum for us to decide, perhaps at
the next election. And people who want four years will
tell you that you must say yes because governments don't
have enough time to do what they want, which is
utter bollocks, because they do have enough time. I've realized

(02:16):
in the last couple of years. It's not because a
lack of time they don't get things done. It's because
of a lack of will. This government had enough time
to make changes to the supermarkets and take make changes
to the banks, and make changes to the energy sector.
They've talked about it enough. They haven't done it because
they don't want to do it, because it takes balls. Now,
I don't want four years because two blocks of three
years of Jacinda Ardun's lunatic labor administration was enough. Can

(02:37):
you imagine how broke the country would be after two
blocks of four years? No, unless there are new safeguards
brought in, and there are no safeguards proposed, so it's
a hard no.

Speaker 3 (02:47):
Heather duper c Ellen.

Speaker 2 (02:52):
Can let you know what you think. Nine two ninety
two is the text number. As I said, we'll talk
to the NATS about what their big thinking is on
this after five o'clock now on social media. If you
didn't already think that it's a bit of a grim
place for teenagers, he has a little bit more proof.
There's a documentary maker who set out to find what
an imaginary thirteen year old girl would get served up
by the algorithm. None of it's good news. She only

(03:13):
liked stuff like funny cat videos and Taylor Swift content,
but was really quickly confronted by content about eating disorders
and other mental health issues. And that documentary maker Nadia
Maxwell is with us. Hey Nadia, Hey, hey doing I'm
very well, thank you? So what did you see?

Speaker 5 (03:29):
So there was two parts to the experiment. I first
started as before the new teen settings came in, and
like you said, I was searching for you know, Tailiswift
exercise cats. But really quickly the algorithm led me down
a pipeline from exercise videos to what I eaten the
day videos to weight last tips and then within the
four days really heavy eating disorder content. Okay yah yeah,

(03:53):
and then Instagram announced, you know, good news where we're
bringing in teen settings. You know, peace of mind to
her parents.

Speaker 2 (03:58):
We've got your backs.

Speaker 5 (04:00):
So I waited for those to come in and I
revisited the account. So you know, not only was distressing
content still prevalent, but even when I reported specific content
which clearly breached eating disorder standards by any normal person's standard,
it wasn't taken down.

Speaker 2 (04:17):
So did it get better when they're brought in the
new safeguards?

Speaker 5 (04:21):
The only positive difference that I saw was that in
part one there was a lot of really over sexualized content,
and so that's dropped down. But in terms of kind
of the sort of content that you'd want your average
fifteen year olds sitting down in front of for hours
a day, you know, there's just still so much heavy

(04:41):
distressing stuff.

Speaker 2 (04:42):
Nadia, Look is it stuff that is you know you
can see that it would have a negative effect rein
eating disorder like you might be able to see it.
Or was it absolutely hard out? No, this is really
bad for a thirteen you know what I mean? Is
there any great area?

Speaker 6 (04:57):
Yeah?

Speaker 5 (04:58):
Yeah, for the settings come and definitely there was some
really hard out content. And of course, you know the
irony is, you know, when I was putting together that video,
I had to kind of be careful about what clips
that I selected, because I was hoping that, you know,
that that media would pack it up and help me
get the story out. And of course we've got broadcasting
standards you know, in the real world, but online can

(05:19):
stumble upon this anytime. And part two of the experiment,
some of the more heavy eating just sort of content
didn't come up straight away, but there was still a
loss of Areta recovery content, which you know, you know,
arguably could help somebody in recovery. But this was a
thirteen year old who was never looking for this content,

(05:40):
who was searching for you for liking it.

Speaker 2 (05:42):
Do you think that the social media companies are actually
good guys here who really want to protect the children,
or are they just like, actually I don't care, or worse,
actually actively sending it to the kids and just trying
to pretend that they're doing good things here.

Speaker 5 (05:56):
Look, I think the problem, you know, is that there's
a huge thing to serve up this distressing content. You know,
their model, their model is engagement. And you know, this
is not really new to us, right, you know, films
like Social Dilemma came out in twenty twenty, so we've
kind of known this for five years. The whole business
model is based on keeping newss on for as long
as possible.

Speaker 6 (06:17):
And maybe it's not.

Speaker 5 (06:18):
That they're evil, but their algorithm, which you know is
a soulless algorithms, has figured out that actually, you know what,
emotionally charged content keeps kids on long longer.

Speaker 2 (06:28):
So I know, yeah, so what is your problem? What
do you reckon? What do you reckon we should do here?
Having had a good old look at it, do you
reckon we take it? Yeah?

Speaker 5 (06:37):
Look, I absolutely think we need to follow Australia's lead
and raise the minimum age to sixteen. You know, it's
about empowering parents and we need to reset the social
norms on this. And I think I do already feel
strongly that the appetite is different parents.

Speaker 6 (06:50):
You know, we're all tired.

Speaker 5 (06:51):
Of having to have these kind of individual battles in
our own homes.

Speaker 2 (06:54):
Yeah, you got kids.

Speaker 5 (06:57):
I've got two girls, yes, two days?

Speaker 4 (06:59):
Yep?

Speaker 2 (07:00):
Yes, what are you doing?

Speaker 5 (07:04):
I My girls aren't on social media? But I would
just like to say that, you know, like I've been
researching this for eighteen months, so when you're kind of
in it every day, it's really it's why you're a
lot easy?

Speaker 7 (07:14):
Whod neve you it?

Speaker 6 (07:15):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (07:15):
Why you shouldn't apologize for it? You're doing the right thing.

Speaker 5 (07:20):
Yes, but I but I appreciate that that it's you know,
it's kind of against what is the normal at the
moment right there. It's really hard because everyone's everyone's yeah
everyone well everyone's could thrown it, right.

Speaker 2 (07:34):
So it's really hard.

Speaker 4 (07:36):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (07:36):
Yeah, Because I'm living breathing that every day, it's easy
to hold.

Speaker 2 (07:40):
My yes and thank you for talking to us. I
really appreciate it. Nadia Maxwell, documentary maker. Listen, you talk
to anybody who looks into it, right, These these people
are not psychos. It is like what's happening on the
social media. So if your kids are still on it,
you might want to have a little little think about
that all over again. Quite big news over in Australia.
Australia has expelled the ambassador from Iran. They reckon they've

(08:05):
got credible intelligence that Iran directed a couple of attacks
on Australian soil, I think on two different synagogues. This
is the first time. It's a big deal. It's the
first time they've expelled an ambassador at least post the
Second World War. So we'll talk to Mary Olds about
it when he's with us shortly. Right now, it's quarter
past four.

Speaker 1 (08:22):
It's the Heather Duper See Allan Drive Full Show podcast
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Speaker 2 (08:29):
Heather Deacinda would have been gone after one term if
she had had a four year term, because the country
had figured her out by her fourth year. Keith, this
is fair because she got an in twenty twenty, twenty twenty,
which means we would have gone to the vote again.
So Twitter, No, hold on, when did she come in?
But Laura help me out. I've got baby brand today.
That's right, twenty seventeen. No, no, Keith, you're wrong. No,

(08:50):
twenty twenty one, she would have come back. No mate, Sorry,
it's just still writing high there now. You would have
had fully eight years of her.

Speaker 8 (08:56):
Would have depended when we switched to four years as well,
Like that question, It always depends. If we've gone to
four years, you know, ten years before that, then then
we have voted her in twenty eighteen like you.

Speaker 2 (09:05):
Know, oh, you've ever complicated it? I really four nineteen.

Speaker 3 (09:09):
Sport with tab bedlave with in play eight.

Speaker 2 (09:12):
They're responsibly Dusty water Grave Sports store hosters of US.

Speaker 9 (09:15):
Hello, Duce four is a perfect cycle, no, because it
matches the World Cup and matches the Olympic Games. It
matches all sorts of World Cups. So from a sports
point of view, four years is comfortable.

Speaker 2 (09:29):
We can build our lives around a lot more. We
can stagger it. We could go New Zealand government elections
must fall halfway between rugby World.

Speaker 9 (09:35):
Cups and then we'll know because that pretty much is
more important than new An election.

Speaker 2 (09:40):
Well, yeah, to some it is. Hey, so what do
you make of TV and Z putting the World Cup
rights the fifth of World Cup rights behind the paywall?
Brave lovely?

Speaker 9 (09:47):
Well, we've got the event pass, which Mike tried to
work out what that is with Jody O'donald's Morning from
but she wouldn't. She wouldn't tell them one hundred and something,
one hundred and forty and thirty hundred and twenty to
watch the whole lot. I thought they might have split
it up. They would have had one pass to watch
the whole lot. The free to air side of things,
which is the all whites playing, which is basically the

(10:10):
lure to get in there and match passes or day passes. Yes, yes,
I really want to.

Speaker 7 (10:16):
Watch Blah Blair. I played Blah Blah Blair and it's
going to cost me five bucks.

Speaker 2 (10:20):
Look, yeah, I actually thought that they might be missing
a trick there as well, But then I thought cut
them some slack because they've never done this before, so
perhaps they don't want to overcomplicate it for themselves.

Speaker 9 (10:28):
Well, I've got Jeff latch On now. He's running Zellant
Golf now, but of course he was the man bind
Sparks Sports, so yeah, he's got a he'll have a
clue about what the pit falls were, what the Judda
bars are, what they did wrong. I think they were
ahead of their time because at that stage the technology
wasn't there, people weren't used to using that platform. They

(10:50):
whatever could go wrong went wrong, and it was a
seriously big event. So I was asking for trouble. They
got through. So what did they learn out of that?
What can they say to TV, hey watch this, But
people are now used to this as an idea. They're
not so resistant to streaming, to climbing on board somewhere
else to get what they want, and with the smart

(11:11):
TVs and a skybox, even someone like me can clown
my way through it and make it work. Okay, So
it's it's brave and I'm interested if it is something
they capitalize and they move further into it and they
become a bigger player in televised sport, if they've got
that inch and that muscle, and I know a lot
of major global organizations love the freedom wear aspect as well. Yeah,

(11:36):
it's god of got that nice balance. So after this,
what do they go for next if this is a success,
and how far that goes? So just going to join
us tonight's talk about it that I'll ask the people
as well if they're resistant after what happened with Spark
because football is not small. I mean you're for Olympics
football and then the Rugby World Cups some way down there.

Speaker 10 (11:56):
So Bead states, let's be honest about it.

Speaker 2 (11:58):
So it is a massive punt.

Speaker 9 (12:00):
I'm interested in the technical judg of bars too, and
what they'd be looking at because according to Jody listening
to Mike this morning, there they're ironing some things out.
They've tried a few things. They're looking at actually at
what operates and what works. I'm interested in the over
subscribing whether they can actually handle that if that is
such an issue that you.

Speaker 2 (12:18):
Have so many people jump on that, Is that an
issue now or is it not?

Speaker 4 (12:22):
So?

Speaker 11 (12:22):
Jeffer is all over there.

Speaker 2 (12:24):
Listen really quickly. How long have you been trying to
get Shane on your show?

Speaker 9 (12:30):
Shane Van Gisbee a number of years?

Speaker 2 (12:33):
Is a hard bird to catch up.

Speaker 9 (12:34):
Well, he's got media managers all around. He's going in
America and then and thanks very much to Red Bull
and track House Racing for getting it over the line.

Speaker 7 (12:45):
How do you arm with him?

Speaker 12 (12:45):
This morning?

Speaker 9 (12:46):
He was charming and wonderful and smiling. Even called me Darcy.
So life in America is obviously working because he's playing
the game and he's on the show tonight.

Speaker 2 (12:56):
Thank you, Darcy. Darcy Watergrave sports talk host seven o'clock
here ons they'd be four twenty two, digging.

Speaker 3 (13:02):
Deeper into the day's headlines.

Speaker 1 (13:04):
It's Heather Duper Clan Drive with one New Zealand coverage
like no one else news talks.

Speaker 2 (13:10):
They'd be the two words rural connectivity. Tvns ha'd better
be careful what they wished for, because Sparksport was disgraceful,
especially for rural New Zealand. Andy, thank you for that.
That is a fair point for twenty five.

Speaker 4 (13:22):
Now.

Speaker 2 (13:23):
I don't know if you've been you were aware of it,
But overnight there was a search off the coast of Wellington,
which looks increasingly like it might have been a hoax.
So what happened is that about ten o'clock last night
there was a mayday call in the cook Straight person
was calling via VHF channel fourteen, indicated that they were
in distress, said they were three nautical miles south of

(13:44):
Carori Rock. They indicated their boat was taking on water
and there were two people on board. Now obviously that
freaked out the people who took the call, who immediately
tried to get back in touch with them, and then
they didn't respond. They wouldn't. There was no more response,
which again freaked out the people even more. What they
did is they started searching immediately. Everybody went out. Even
when it sounds like even one of the Blueberry Blue,

(14:07):
the Blue the Fairies what are they called, I've got
baby brain really bad. No, the other one, Breebridge, thank
you lord. The baby brain's hit me hard. Okay, brace
yourself with this, guys, because we're gonna have troubles. I'm
like a I'm like a dodgy tv Z in connection
right now. Anyway, the Blue Bridge was out there, the
inter Islander was out there. They had the passengers on
the inter islander looking over board trying to help, and
stuff turned up absolutely nothing. So the cops have now

(14:29):
called off the search they found. They said they found
no objects of interest in the strait, and no objects
during searches the shoreline or the boat ramps, and no
boaties have been reported missing all over due. But even
more importantly, police are making inquiries into the distress radio transmission,
they say, to determine its source and veracity, which, if

(14:50):
you're reading between the lines, is they think it's a hoax. Now,
if it is a hoax and it looks like it is,
I think they need to throw the book at They
need to track these buggers down, and they need to
throw the book at them, because that will have tied
up so much resource, so much stress, and good people.
It's wasted the time of good people trying to find
trying to find people to help. So I don't know

(15:11):
about you, but I'd be going start starting at the
high end of the available sentence with no discounts. Do
you know what I mean? News is next to Murray
Old shortly on this business with the run in Australia.

Speaker 4 (15:22):
Some middle.

Speaker 1 (15:31):
The day's newsmakers talked to Heather first, Heather Duplicy Ellen
Drive with One New Zealand and the power of satellite
mobile news talk, said Bee.

Speaker 4 (15:48):
Heather.

Speaker 2 (15:49):
A four year term the government is okay as long
as the election is held in June. That way they
can get straight into governing the country, not going on
Christmas holidays for weeks and weeks. Donna love that idea. Well,
I don't love the idea of a four year term,
but I love the idea of a midwinter election, Teresa.
It'll be gloomy though, wouldn't it. Jers really punished the
incumbent unfortunately. Anyway, we'll talk to Andrew Bailey of the

(16:10):
National Party about that after five and Barry Soper will
talk to us about it with his thoughts as well
in about ten minutes time. That Fonterra deal, by the way,
has just got even better. Fonterra has settled the dispute
that they were having with that Australian company Bager, which
now means that the licenses in Australia can be included
in the sale, So that adds another three hundred and
seventy five million dollars to the money already being paid.

(16:32):
So the total now is four point two to two billion.
How good twenty four away from five.

Speaker 3 (16:37):
It's the world wires on news talks, they'd be drive.

Speaker 2 (16:41):
Two police officers have been killed in a shooting in Victoria.
Elbow has offered his condolences.

Speaker 13 (16:45):
Our thoughts are with the police for the work that
they do each and every day. The men and women
who wear our uniform, wear the uniform of the police force.

Speaker 3 (16:59):
Take hush each and every day.

Speaker 2 (17:01):
More of Ossie. Correspondent Murray old shortly and Israeli strike
has killed twenty people, including five journalists in the Gaza Strip.
The IDF says the journals were not the target of
the strike.

Speaker 14 (17:11):
We are operating in an extremely complex reality. Hermas terrorists
deliberately used civilian infrastructure, including hospitals, as shields.

Speaker 2 (17:21):
And finally, a painting that was looted by the Nazis
has popped up in Argentina. What a surprise, because the
Nazis all escaped to Argentina. That's why it's not a surprise.
Portrait of a Lady is one of the paintings taken
by Guring from a Dutch art dealer during World War II,

(17:42):
So it was a little bit of a surprise, knot
when it popped up in one of the photos attached
to a real estate listening in Argentina. The cellar behind
that listing is the daughter of one of Gouring's financial advisors.
She hasn't responded to inquiries from the Dutch, at least
one of their newspapers about where she got the painting,
shall we guess?

Speaker 1 (18:00):
International correspondence with Ensign Eye Insurance Peace of Mind for
New Zealand.

Speaker 2 (18:04):
Business and they can't find array. They're trying to track
her down and she's dropped off the face of the earth,
hasn't she. Yeah, yeah, what a surprise. Murray Old's Australia
correspondents with us.

Speaker 4 (18:16):
A muz, very good afternoon, Heather.

Speaker 2 (18:18):
All right, so fill us in on what's happening with Iran.

Speaker 15 (18:21):
Well, the ambassadors being kicked out along with we understand
two of his staff the first time we understand this
has happened since the Second World War and why is
this occurring?

Speaker 4 (18:31):
Well as oh.

Speaker 15 (18:32):
Which is the Australian Domestic Intelligence Agency says Iran, via
the embassy in Canberra, orchestrated at least two anti Semitic
attacks in Australia, both involving firebombs, one on a Sydney bakery,
a Jewish business, the other, if you don't mind, on
the Adas Synagogue in Melbourne. And Asia is of the

(18:55):
view that it's not the only attacks that Iran has
been orchestrating from long distance, but via the offices of
the Iranian embassy in Canberra. As far as the Prime
Minister's concerned, he says, it's just the most dreadful thing
you can imagine. Imagine another government orchestrating ady submitting attacks

(19:15):
in a second country. So the ambassador's going so to
a number of staff and Australia's embassy in Iran has
been suspended. And by the way, the Islamic Revolutionary Guard
has been able to listened as a terrorist organization, so
you know, it's it is a developing situation. It's still

(19:35):
I'm really interested to see what it's going to unfold.
Later in the afternoon and the end of the evening,
as our television news bulletins get more information and package
it up for evening consumption, because there's still moving and
there's still lots of little bits and pieces that I'm
really interested in mass.

Speaker 2 (19:50):
Any indication as to why Iran was targeting Australia in particular.

Speaker 4 (19:54):
Well, we don't know at this point.

Speaker 12 (19:56):
I mean.

Speaker 4 (19:58):
Perhaps mister Albanezi alluded to it. Heather, I'll give you
a quote.

Speaker 15 (20:02):
Now, Australian people don't want conflict of the Middle East
to be brought here, and he says Iran has sought
to do just that. They've sought to harm and terrorize
Jewish Australians and so hatred and division in our community
here in Australia, and the actions of my government, says
ALBANIZI send a clear message to all Australia. We stand
against anti Semitism, we stand against violence, and we're not

(20:25):
going to stand for another country like Iran carrying out
these attacks Orchestralian, these attacks on Australian soil.

Speaker 2 (20:32):
Yeah, good stuff. Okay. Now tell me about these two
police officers killed in the shooting. What's gone down here?

Speaker 4 (20:38):
Well, they were ambooks.

Speaker 15 (20:39):
According to reports that are coming out of the Victorian
High Country, there were three police executing a warrant that
were investigating historical sex abuse allegations and they were allegedly
ambooshed by a fellow who lived on this property in
a bus.

Speaker 4 (20:54):
It's about three hundred kilometers northeast of Melbourne.

Speaker 15 (20:57):
For those who know the area, perhaps you've cycled up
through their hiking and you know it's a lovely, beautiful,
peaceful part of the Australian high Country. So these two
officers have been shot dead, the third one hitting the leg.
Now a huge police presence there, as you might imagine
this afternoon because the government's still on the run. They've
got police and camouflage gear. This is a very very

(21:20):
difficult part of the country to get around. It's very
dense bush, very steep and rocky terrain. We understand a
little bit about the chap they're looking for. He's believed
to be a self proclaimed sovereign citizen. These are people
who consider themselves to be off the grid as far
as any police, any government, any normal societal involvement is concerned.

(21:43):
They don't believe in anything along those lines. Distrust for law,
distrust for government. He's even changed his name to reflect
as sovereign status. And apparently the two weapons that the
fatally shot officers were carrying were taken from their bodies.
So again unfolding situation. It's a hell of a mess
down there. Of course the Prime Minister you heard that clip,

(22:05):
and of course the Victorian Premier also expressing just the
deepest shock and sadness met what's happened?

Speaker 2 (22:10):
Yeah too, right now. Brendan Smith is in a lot
of trouble, isn't He.

Speaker 4 (22:15):
Could be could be my word, Brandon Smith for those
who don't know, he's twenty nine years.

Speaker 15 (22:19):
Old, a fabulous rugby league player, played I think thirteen
fourteen times for the kiwis also played for the Maori
rugby league side, currently playing for the South Sydney Bunnies
after one hundred and forty odd games with the Storm.

Speaker 4 (22:34):
I mean, he's a very good player.

Speaker 15 (22:36):
But he's apparently it's emerged that he's in being investigated
for allegedly organizing a cocaine drop for his then teammates.

Speaker 4 (22:46):
A bunch of them were up on the Gold Coast
on a bye weekend, the weekend off from rugby league
up there on a golf.

Speaker 15 (22:52):
Trip and they wanted a bit of Bolivian marching powder apparently,
and Brandon Smith. The allegation is that he's put his
hand him said I can sort that out for you.
So there's no suggestion any drugs were consumed or changed hands.
The suggestion is that Smith was perhaps caught on some
sort of listening device, suggesting that it wouldn't be a

(23:12):
problem in Queensland. It's pretty strict under Queensland law. A
person who supplies the drug, whether that in the state
or not, is guilty of a crime if they're convicted. Now, look,
he's had a few other issues in the past. He
made comments about a boozy culture at the Storm that
did not endear him his teammates, and suggestions that he

(23:34):
was involved in taking illegal substances with the Roosters last
year in twenty twenty four season twenty four. So there's
a whole again, another moving story. He had the lots
of moving parts. We'll have to have a look tonight
and see how it's all been packaged up.

Speaker 2 (23:47):
Yep, hey, thanks Mars, appreciated, look after yourself. Murray Olds,
Australia correspondent. Yet another New Zealand business has sold to
international buyers. Geez, the list is actually quite long, by
the way, I mean it's the ones that we've talked
about already. It's Terror going to Lactalise, It's Picks Peanut
Butter going to the Melbournians. It's seventy five percent of

(24:07):
Sparks data center business going to Pacific Equity. It's Contact
Energies acquisition of Munaway Energy. Well, I mean that's obviously domestic,
but regardless, there have been What I'm trying to say
is there have been a lot of international acquisitions. An
event find is the latest one. It's event Final if
you don't know, as a ticketing and event listing business
here in New Zealand that does the small stuff, so

(24:29):
it does school fares, fundraisers, and then it also goes
up to the mid range stuff that's obviously apparently would
appear to be a part of the part of the
business that Ticketech doesn't have, part of the market it
doesn't have. So it's bought it and it's going to
take it worldwide. We're going to speak to the guy.
It still needs approval from the Commerce Commission. I'm going
to speak to one of the co founders about it,
James mcglyn. After the quarter past five. Barry Soapers with

(24:49):
us next.

Speaker 1 (24:50):
Politics with centrics credit check your customers and get payments.

Speaker 2 (24:53):
Certaindy, Barri Soper SENI your political correspondence with us. Now,
high Barry, can we start with John Barnett's passing.

Speaker 4 (25:00):
Yeah, it was.

Speaker 7 (25:01):
You could have knocked me over last night when I
was told that John had passed. It was incredible. Just
over a week ago I was at his eightieth birthday
and the speeches from John and his lovely wife Sarah wonderful.
And I ran into him on Sunday when I was
out walking a little girl and we had a long

(25:23):
chat then and he died later that day. I found
it absolutely extraordinary. This man was an absolute legend. I've
known him for more than forty years, and in fact
we're involved in business trying to get TV three up
and running in the nineteen eighties. But he went on
to do amazing things in South Pacific Pictures he owned.

(25:44):
He put out those wonderful movies among ten of the
top grossing films in New Zealand. Foot Rock Flats, while
Rider Sione's wedding once were Warriors and the sequel What
Became of the Broken Hearted? You know, an incredible man,
short outrageous fortune. They were his programs as well. And

(26:05):
you know, John was never a man to brag about
what his achievements were, but they were legendary. And the
tributes that have been pouring in for him today are
you know, what would be expected of a man of
this caliber. It's a very sad day for the film
industry in New Zealand.

Speaker 2 (26:24):
I mean, yeah, it is. And also it seems kind
of sad for him because he was so happy.

Speaker 7 (26:29):
Oh well, I've never seen John incredibly got married for
the first time in his life at seventy eight, and
he went to New York to get married, and you know,
came back and had a wonderful occasion here with all
his friends. But you know, he I thought at his
eightieth I thought John was the happiest I've ever seen him.

(26:52):
And in fact, when I talked to him on Sunday,
we were talking about age and John was saying, one
thing you've got to do is you've got to keep
he always keep busy, always have a project. I'll tell
you what it does do though, whether it brings home
to you. And I'm sure a lot of listeners listening
to this and so it brings your own mortality home
to you.

Speaker 2 (27:11):
And yeah, you just never know what's going on. I mean,
you know, particularly for you at your age. Again, No,
that's not what I mean.

Speaker 11 (27:19):
It's not too old, isn't it.

Speaker 2 (27:21):
No, No, I do, I mean I mean that. I mean,
I think I think for for you know, when you
see your peers start falling over your big people in
your life, John Barnett, Bob Jones, people who are important,
it's very confronting. So yeah, sorry, Barry, I won't choose
you about your age anymore.

Speaker 4 (27:42):
Thank you.

Speaker 2 (27:43):
Okay, now is it? Does it appear to you that
Winston Peters may be getting a bit pissy at the
Prime minister over Palestine.

Speaker 3 (27:50):
Oh he is.

Speaker 7 (27:51):
And they've said from the start though, in Winston in particular,
and said that look, they'll be making a statement to
the General Assembly in Septeve in New York. And you
know they'll be making a statement essentially to an empty
auditorium because New Zealand being the country of its size,
and I've been there many times with prime ministers, they

(28:12):
stand up New Zealand at the end of the day
most people have gone home, and they deliver a statement. Well,
will I would imagine most certainly recognize Palestine providing this
a two state We've always said there should be a
two state solution. But in the meantime, Winston says that
he's not happy about people running on at the mouth

(28:33):
and giving a running commentary essentially of what's going on there. Well,
the person that's been doing that is the Prime Minister.
But I'm sorry, I think the Prime Minister is well
within his rights. He is the leader of the country
and if he wants to express a view that maybe
outside the gamut of foreign affairs who are quite conservative
in these things, I think the Prime Minister is going to.

Speaker 2 (28:53):
Run can I ask you?

Speaker 4 (28:55):
Though?

Speaker 2 (28:55):
And fair enough with the position that he holds, he
does have a right. But given the man sitting there,
the Foreign Affairs Minister is one of the most experienced
foreign affairs all these countries ever had, would you not
defer to him or listen to him if he is
saying because what Winston is saying is constant commentary on
this is not helpful. So should Luxon not listen to him?

Speaker 7 (29:14):
Well, yes he should, but he is the boss and
if he wants to make a statement, I mean you
look at all the other countries around the world that
have made statements about the madness of Netanyahu and lux
and saying he lost the plot. I think that's absolutely
fair commentary.

Speaker 2 (29:30):
We don't know what's going on in the background. So
sitting aside, sitting aside the fact that Luckson is the boss,
because he is your rights ultimately his call. If you
had to choose between Winston or Chris Luxon being right
on this, who would you choose?

Speaker 7 (29:41):
Well, there is no right on this, I don't think.
I mean, you know, you can say you can tread
very carefully on this and take all the facts into account,
but you know you only have to turn on the
television every night to see what's happening in gars and
the occupation of Garza City to say, well, look, so
isn't right here, and we've got I think we've got

(30:02):
a duty as a country to speaker.

Speaker 2 (30:04):
Now, Baro, I don't have a long time, so just
hit me with your spray on the four years go on.

Speaker 7 (30:08):
Oh well, I see, I've always been an advocate for
four years, and I said so in the referendum number
of years ago. That was lost. But you know the
idea that you can decide between three and four years.
You can get four years if you give the chairmanship
of select committees to the opposition is.

Speaker 2 (30:28):
Patiently David was overly complicated. But were you imagining this.

Speaker 7 (30:33):
If the chair of a select committee had the casting
vote on every piece of legislation and it happened to
be the opposition, you would never get anything.

Speaker 4 (30:42):
Done in Parliament.

Speaker 7 (30:43):
And you know you say there are checks and balances,
and there are in many systems of Senates in the
United States and the House of Lords in Britain. We've
got after our higher House that we did have here
until the fifties, we've got the select committee process. It's
with the public attabmy thanks a ubber.

Speaker 2 (31:00):
Stamping laws, no laws, chime time time, Thank you barriers,
it's short spray and thank you very much Barry So
for seeing your political correspondent seven away from five.

Speaker 1 (31:09):
Putting the tough questions to the newspeakers, the mic asking breakfast.

Speaker 16 (31:13):
What's going on at the universities. They've got what's called
grade inflation. A grades have gone from twenty two percent
of results to thirty five percent. Chris Williams, the Chief
executive of Course of Universities New Zealand. Is grade inflation
a recognized thing?

Speaker 12 (31:24):
Look it is, but it's not necessarily a bad thing.
Over the last twenty years, every university had the same
pressures to basically lift graduate outcomes, and they've invested in that.

Speaker 16 (31:34):
You're saying that we've bulked up the system and because
of that people do better.

Speaker 12 (31:37):
I can't defensively say, but I know the report only
considers four sectors, none of which are things like changes
in how teaching is done or all the systems put
around student.

Speaker 16 (31:47):
Back tomorrow at six am the mic asking Breakfast with
Mayley's Real Estate Newstalk ZB.

Speaker 2 (31:52):
Hey, just quick heads up. If you're trying to send
parcels to the US, New Zealand Post is not sending
parcels to the US at all at the moment. It
sounds like it's not just business parcels. It's like any
parcel you can't seend Christmas parcels, you can't send anything.
Am I right in that? That's what it sounds like. Yeah,
I am right in that. Seasons well, I'm checking everything,

(32:12):
referring everything up today because we've got a hectic case
of baby brain. Anyway, It's not just us, so don't
be hating on New Zealand Post. European parcels also suspended.
Australian parcels also suspended. It's basically because of the tariffs.
It's so complex because you've got it. If you're the
person sending it, you have to figure out where your
goods are manufactured in the parcels and then you have
to figure out with the tariff. What a pain in

(32:33):
the butt. So as a result, New Zealand Post are
figuring out how to deal with it and it might
be weeks before you can send parcels again, hopefully in
time for Christmas. Listen Lincoln University, funny thing has happened there, well,
funny ish. I suppose the kids have been busted with
the AI cheating. So they were in a coding class
of doing coding for the computers and yeah, some of
them quite quite clearly had been using the AI. So

(32:55):
what they did was they got everybody who sat the
exam to come in and do it again and they
have to do a verbal expls nation this time, which
is quite harsh because it affects everybody, but it does
be but you know you. Basically, the theory is if
you can't explain your code, explain your code, then you
didn't write your code. That's how they're going to figure
it out. But it does make you wonder if maybe
that's what they should have done in the first place,

(33:15):
because obviously AI was going to be used in anything
to do with computers. At the moment, the young kids
are all over it. Anyway, we'll have a chat to
Lincoln about that after half past five. Next up, though,
let's talk to the Nats about the four year term.

Speaker 1 (33:27):
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Speaker 2 (33:53):
Looks like we're getting closer to a referendum on the
four year term for governments. The Justice Select Committee has
recommended stripping out some of the more complicated parts of
this particular law, which is cause David Seymour, who actually
sponsored the law, to walk away from supporting it. But
it does seem that every other party in Parliament still
supports it. Andrew Bailey is the chair of the Justice
Select Committee and with us hey Andrew Hello, is the

(34:15):
National Party going to vote for this?

Speaker 17 (34:17):
Oh look, that's a decision for a caucus, but it's
had almost unanimous agreement across the committee that we should
put it to a referendum.

Speaker 2 (34:28):
The question is when twenty twenty six.

Speaker 17 (34:32):
Well, from a committee's perspective, we suggested both twenty twenty
six or twenty twenty nine, but we did note that
if you want to try and do it next year,
it's the government's call whether it might. At there a
couple of issues significant issues. One is that how do
you coincide central central government elections alongside local council elections,

(34:52):
So under the proposed term that was going to be variable,
so might end up having elections in the same year.
And the second thing, there's quite a large reform of
electoral laws going through that the committee's looking at the moment,
and so we've said, given that and the capacity issues
within Electoral Commission to be able to handle all that,

(35:13):
we just said, if you want to do it next year,
there will be challenging.

Speaker 2 (35:16):
Okay, so more likely twenty twenty nine. Then what checks
are you putting in to replace what you've stripped out?
Read the select committees?

Speaker 10 (35:24):
We haven't.

Speaker 18 (35:25):
The issue was.

Speaker 17 (35:28):
Did the proposal in the bill work? And there are
a lot of submitters who said that it wouldn't and
the committee came to a view apart from active, and
it came to view that the complicated structure around the
different types of committee arrangements just wouldn't work under that situation.

(35:49):
That doesn't mean that a future government might look at
other options around it. But I think the central theme
around whether we should have a referendum on three year
or four year term centers around the issue around is
it more effective for governments and ministers are able to
do their job in that longer term. And one might
argue that if it is a four year term, maybe

(36:12):
it's more lucky that governments get turfed out after only
one term of four years rather than three years.

Speaker 2 (36:17):
Which are you arguing, Are you arguing you don't need
any more checks, you don't need to add in a
new layer of checks.

Speaker 17 (36:23):
No, I'm not arguing that. I'm just saying the committee
we had to consider the bill that was in front
of us, and that had a certain proposal in it
which the Committee came to a view that was too complicated,
so on that basis we couldn't support it. That doesn't
mean that might be other ways looking at do.

Speaker 2 (36:39):
You think that there should be if we extend it
from three to four years, we should add another check in.

Speaker 17 (36:44):
You asked me personally, Well, that's a different thing. I
can say what the committee's view on it. I think
personally I think that's a benefit about having a four
year term. But you know, there's a lot of different
views on that. But the issue is I think the
central issues where that we get more effective government around

(37:04):
having a longer term.

Speaker 2 (37:06):
Okay, hey, Andrew, thanks very much, appreciate it. Andrew Bailey,
chair of the Justice Select Committee.

Speaker 3 (37:10):
Either do for cellen.

Speaker 2 (37:12):
Australian Intelligence Services say Iran was behind two anti Semitic
attacks on Australian soil. The attacks were on Adas Israel
Synagogue in Melbourne and then Lewis Continental Kitchen and Bondi.
Both were allegedly arranged by Iran through intermediaries. The Iranian
ambassad has been expelled must leave Australia in the next week.
Charles Crounscher is Channel nine chief political editor with US
now h Charles, Hey, Heather, Have they explained how they

(37:34):
know it was a run?

Speaker 19 (37:36):
No, they haven't because there are people that have been
arrested in this situation. So that we still investigations going on,
and there will be the chance that these people become
prose prosecuted, which is unusual when it comes to the
intelligence operations. But also this is an unusual situation. This
would be the first time since World War Two that
Australia has been attacked at the behest of a foreign government.

(37:57):
It's certainly one of the first times we've expelled an
ambassador since World War Two as well. So we are
in unusual circumstances here, but the government azo the Australian
Federal Police confident enough to make that announcement today. Our
embassy in Iran has been evacuated. The ambassador over there

(38:17):
and any embassy staff have left the country and that's
the expectation that Iran's ambassador will do so within a week.

Speaker 2 (38:25):
Have they explained why Iran wanted to target Australia of all.

Speaker 3 (38:28):
Places, Yeah, they have.

Speaker 19 (38:30):
The idea here is they say the motivation is to
cause a fracturing of the society in some ways and
also to isolate Jewish Australians here in particular.

Speaker 3 (38:43):
As for why, of.

Speaker 19 (38:44):
All the countries in the world, we would be choosing
to take Australia in our part of the world that's
not clear now.

Speaker 2 (38:53):
The Australian diplomats in Irana ware.

Speaker 19 (38:57):
A third country. They haven't said where they've evacuated two.
Given that area, I guess it's one of the other
Arab states that we do have better relations with, but
they won't say where.

Speaker 3 (39:07):
They are at the moment.

Speaker 19 (39:08):
Only they were told yesterday to get out, so it
was it would be a fairly hairy in twenty four
hours to clear out an embassy and get out of
the country, all while raising as little suspicion as possible
throughout Tehran as this is going on.

Speaker 2 (39:24):
Yeah, absolutely, Charles listen, thanks for talking us through to
appreciate it. As Charles Croucher, Channel nine's chief political editor,
Heather duper c ellen, whether I work for a software
development company and our devs are relishing AI and how
much work it is cutting down for them and universities
need to get on board with us, I would agree
with it, wouldn't you agree that. I had a conversation
about this the other day because I asked one of

(39:45):
the because we're in the reporting season at the minute,
and I think I'm going to be the spark boss.
I asked her what are you doing with the AI?
What are you using it for? And she's using it
for a whole bunch of stuff. And then one of
my friends piped up and said, oh, yeah, I heard that.

Speaker 4 (39:57):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (39:57):
One of the other chief executives around New Zealand, not
naming any names, organized his entire holiday using AI, right
down to booking. Well, he didn't the AI, didn't book
the accommodation, but he asked AI like, I've got two
children or whatever I want to go, blah blah whatever
do this do that needs to be four star whatever
it needs to be, and AI gave him all. It
needs to be in trendy part of town to did

(40:18):
the AI gave him everything and he used that and
then booked his trip based the entire thing on AI. Anyway,
So my friends and I got talking about it, and
then one of my friends was like, you need to
ask literally every CEO what they're using AI for. So
why do you why do you want me to do that?
She said, Oh, because people are still freaked out about
AI and we need to normalize it for them. And
do you know what I think that's bang on. I

(40:39):
think people are weirdly freaked out about AI and we
need to normalize it. And by the way, if you're
not using AI for your job, and we are literally
all answer you're using AI. No, he's the no surprise,
no surprise either. Rest of us are using AI for
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l eighteen pass five now local Kiwi company. Event Finder
is the latest company to be snapped up by the
offshore guys, this time by the Aussie giant ticker Tech.
Event Finder lets the event organizers, promote and cell tickets
all in one place. Very cool to use. James McGlynn
as the co founder of event Finder. Hey James, Hi, congrats,

(42:06):
How are you feeling really good?

Speaker 20 (42:08):
Really excited? The team here at event Finder overjoyed. It's
vindication really that we've built a world class platform from
down here in New Zealand and TG have been very
interested in helping us take that to the world.

Speaker 2 (42:22):
So how big is this?

Speaker 6 (42:24):
Like?

Speaker 2 (42:25):
Is this a deal so big you'll never have to
work in the whole of the rest of your life.

Speaker 20 (42:29):
We're not disclosing any of the deal terms.

Speaker 2 (42:32):
But we can't even tell us if you never have to,
if you can buy any beach house you want, buy
a chopper and never have to work again.

Speaker 20 (42:39):
I'm not even thinking about beach houss than choppers. We're
thinking about how we go into the rest of the
world and starting with Australia, the UK, the US, Singapore.
There's a huge amount of potential and you know, something
that we've been working on here and I've been working
on personally for twenty years, so it's you know, it
couldn't come fast enough. We're really excited about it.

Speaker 2 (42:57):
So are you still involved with it?

Speaker 20 (42:58):
Are you absolutely involved? Do I remain Managing director of
event Finder? The leadership team that I have here in
New Zealand will remain. All of our team remain. It's
business as usual for event Finder and for our clients.
Nothing changes about our approach, our product, our service, pricing terms,
any of those things. What we get to do now

(43:18):
is go into the world stage and show them what
we've got.

Speaker 2 (43:22):
How big do you reckon you can get?

Speaker 20 (43:25):
I think this global opportunity for this, I honestly do.
I don't believe there's anything anywhere in the world that
does what we do with this sort of level of
capability that the event Finder team have built and TG
you have looked around globally and have come down and
seen us and said Okay, we want to help you
take this and really make it into something huge.

Speaker 2 (43:47):
We've got quite a few sales at the moment of
New Zealand businesses to offshore interests. Why do you think
that is? Is there a genuine interest in us for
some reason?

Speaker 20 (43:56):
I think this is the path. I think we We're
a small country down here in New Zealand, five million
people and if you can get to the point where
you're ready to take that product offshore into much bigger markets,
this is really the way that you do it.

Speaker 2 (44:11):
Yeah, brilliant stuff. Hey, thank you very much, James, James McGlenn,
event find a co founder.

Speaker 12 (44:15):
Listen.

Speaker 2 (44:16):
As I said to you earlier, apparently there's heaps of
international interest in buying New Zealand businesses. It's now at
an all time high. This is according to a survey
by Simpson Grierson. Forty nine percent of respondents considered plowing
more cash in here in the next year. This is
obviously international firms. That's up from forty percent last year.
Apparently what's going well is the government going around saying
we're open for business. They're hearing it, they are registering it,

(44:39):
and they're seeing it and so they're coming in for it,
but also they're also seeing the policy changes right the
reforms to the Overseas Investment Act talk about the foreign
buyers being able to get into the houses and so
on and so on. There may also be an aspect
of it is that New Zealand businesses are relatively cheap
compared to others. But we're going to canvas all of
this when we have a chat to Salt Funds, they
will be with us just after half past six twenty one.

Speaker 1 (45:01):
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Speaker 2 (45:11):
A window manufacturer in Palmerston North also sold last week
to two Australians and that would have been worth millions.

Speaker 6 (45:17):
Brilliant stuff.

Speaker 3 (45:17):
Well done you guys.

Speaker 2 (45:18):
Five point twenty four. Now let's talk about tv and
Z putting the FIFA behind a paywall.

Speaker 6 (45:23):
Now.

Speaker 2 (45:23):
I think TVZ got a little bit over excited on
the television news last night when it was an exclusive
lead story and then they called it the game changer.
It's not really a game changer, is it?

Speaker 4 (45:33):
For you?

Speaker 2 (45:33):
And I I mean, if we didn't have the FIFA
World Cup partly free to air and then partly behind
TVNZ's paywall, we simply have had it on Sky, partly
free to air and partly behind their skate their paywall.
So the game is not, as they say, changed for
us the customers, but for them it is absolutely a
game changer because this will be the first time that

(45:54):
TV and Z is popping content up behind a paywall,
and I'm amped for them. I really hope for them
that it goes well, mainly for selfish reasons, which is
that we taxpayers then don't have to end up bailing
TVNZ out in the future. I think the days I mean,
I've come to terms with the fact that the days
of TV and Z paying the government a dividend are
probably long gone. The way it looks right now with
the media market, I think what we should be hoping

(46:15):
for is that TVNZ just washes its own face and
doesn't come looking for help to survive. But for that
to happen, they need to figure out how to take
themselves from a linear TV free to all offering to
a digital streaming, some of it behind a pay wall offering.
This is the only way that they're going to make
enough money to keep broadcasting to us without us having
to chuck heaps of money at them. And even as
I say that, I suspect that we will still have

(46:37):
to chuck heaps of money at them in the future
just to keep Kiwi shows available. Maybe the best that
we can hope for is that it's actually not heaps,
just a little bit of money that we're chucking at them.
Who knows, And maybe it's not even just for selfish reasons.
Maybe I'm also hoping it'll work because I'm hoping that
our national television broadcaster finds a way to survive and
thrive in a new digital world so that we can
keep watching ourselves as kiwis back on Telly, which I

(46:59):
do think is either way, I have my fingers crossed
for them that they nailed this and that this is
the start of something really good for them.

Speaker 3 (47:07):
Heather Duplasla Either I.

Speaker 2 (47:09):
Use AI every night for dinner and spo I'm on
a budget, so I tell it my ingredients and I
get several options, and it's brilliant. I've never been disappointed
with the AI response. How good is that? Hither I
love using AI. My two kids booked a holiday in
Japan using it. Because I'm a cautious gen xer. I
got them to double check everything. They eventually noticed one
of the hotels that recommend it didn't actually exist. It

(47:30):
is great, but use it with caution. I think we've
all realized the old hallucinations are a real thing on
the AI. I used it yesterday to double check a
fact that I knew and it just made up a fact.
So you do have to and that could be time consuming.
I'm starting to feel like, you know, you've got to
You've got to use it, building in a bit of
time for the old double checking Hither I use chat
GPT to plan an eight week trip through Europe. The

(47:52):
itinery and the accommodation were fabulous. James Aki, do you
know what I used it for the other day, which
the German told me off, you know, big way for
was I put my kid's photos into it and I said,
tell me what this child is going to look like
at twenty one, And it came back for the three
and a half year old boy, and I thought, jeez,
you're going to be you are going to be a

(48:12):
handsome young man. You are And then I put in
the I think she might have been about three months
at that stage. I put in the three month old.
I said, tell me what this child is going to
look like at twenty one, and I thought, geez, you're
going to be a handsome young man as well, which
is a surprise, because AI couldn't tell the difference, couldn't
tell it was a baby girl, which, to be fair,

(48:33):
is fine. I mean, much of the time we're relying
on the color combo of the outfit, aren't we. They
all look the same. They just look like little turnips
at that stage, it little old men. Anyway. Then I
said that, by the way, I thinks a lot, it
is a girl, and she came, she's beautiful, she's good,
and I can see it, you know. Anyway, the German
told me off. She said, I'm harvesting my own children's
photos and I shouldn't be doing that. But you can

(48:54):
do that, and it's quite it's quite a fun little thing.
You're welcome, Lincoln Next.

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we'll talk to the boss after six o'clock about that.

(49:43):
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Speaker 3 (49:46):
Now together, duplicy Ellen.

Speaker 2 (49:48):
An entire class of Lincoln University students are being retested
because it is suspected that some of them usday I
to cheat. More than one hundred students are now going
to have to orally explain the code that they wrote
for their exam to the professor to ensure that they
understand their work. Chad Hewitt is the provost professor at
Lincoln University in christ Church and with US now high Chad, Hello,

(50:11):
out of the one hundred, how many students are suspected
of using AI?

Speaker 21 (50:16):
I'm not sure about that. The academic canvolve do it.
The course has just identified a high number of suspected
cases As a consequence, the easiest thing to do is
to bring the students in and to ask them questions.

Speaker 2 (50:32):
Is it fair to make the whole class reset it
rather than just the ones you guys.

Speaker 21 (50:36):
Suspect Well, I think the challenge is to get a
normative understanding of the understanding of the assignment, the mechanisms
by which the students wrote the code. I think it's
not an onerous task to ask the students' questions.

Speaker 2 (50:53):
Okay, should this not have been how you tested them
in the first place with oral exams?

Speaker 13 (51:00):
No?

Speaker 21 (51:01):
In this instance, for fintech, they're very interested in the
student's ability to write code. We won't know how the
students undertake the work, so usually you would do that.
The students were very clearly identified that the desire was
to understand their work and how they wrote the code,

(51:22):
with the expectation that some students would make mistakes and
therefore you learn through those mistakes. In this case, there
were a very large number of students that indicated a
high level of proficiency, which is unexpected.

Speaker 2 (51:39):
So okay, let me just try to understand what you
just said. So, if it was the case that only
a few students had cheated, you'd let it slide, But
because lots of them cheated, you're not going to let
it slide.

Speaker 21 (51:50):
No, we would not let it slide. The challenge, of
course is finding out and being able to detect the
use of generative artificial intelligence.

Speaker 2 (52:00):
But come on, I mean, the thing is, if kids
are using computers, every single one of them has the
option at least of cheating. So should we not, as universities,
be moving to using oral exams more. I mean, sure,
get them to write the code, but then make the
oral exam part of it in order to get around
the AI.

Speaker 21 (52:18):
Well, that may be a mechanism that we employ in
the future. But of course, this is a course of
one hundred and twenty students, and you do try and
identify things that will allow you to measure the performance
of the course through simple terms. Obviously, in this case,
resetting all of the students is an unexpected change of events,

(52:41):
but it's better than actually turning them into the productor
and having an investigation occur.

Speaker 2 (52:46):
So the problem is basically that when you have this
many students, it's just too hard to go through the
whole kerfuffle of oral exams. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (52:54):
No, the oral.

Speaker 21 (52:55):
Exams will give you a lesson in terms of some material,
but it's not actually what we're trying to test. We
want to know how the students think and code, so
having them actually do and perform the task is critical.

Speaker 2 (53:09):
In terms of no, Chad, I think you misunderstand me.
I'm not saying that you replace one with the other.
I just think in the age of AI, we're going
to have do, aren't we, With everything moved towards getting
the kids right in front of you, explaining that they
understand it, whatever the subject.

Speaker 21 (53:25):
Possibly, I think there are instances where the assessments can
be focused where we allow AI use and then we
expect the students to criticize it. There are other instances
where we allow the AI use but for it to
be clearly articulated and declared. In this case, the students
were expected to use their own brain.

Speaker 2 (53:47):
Okay, Chad, thanks very much, appreciate it. Chad Hewitt, who's
the provost professor at Lincoln University.

Speaker 1 (53:54):
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Speaker 2 (53:58):
One of a Kind, added me this evening we have
Craig rinny c to you economist and the legot of
infrastructure New Zealand. Hell, are you too, Craig? Do you
use the AI?

Speaker 22 (54:10):
I try not to.

Speaker 18 (54:11):
Occasionally I do, but generally speaking it's not something that
really works for me.

Speaker 4 (54:16):
Why not.

Speaker 18 (54:18):
I'm dealing with complicated data sets and there's a consequence.
It's really hard to get the AI to work that way.
And see, Frank, I'm quite old fashioned. I still own
a calculator. I still prefer to do it that way
rather than.

Speaker 2 (54:33):
Just for like, you know, I've got I've got I
don't know, potato and three carrots in a tender tuna.
What should I make for dinner? You don't even use
it for that?

Speaker 18 (54:43):
At that point I'd pick up deliver easy and get
that to solve the problem. But I think it's a
really interesting question from your previous interview, which is how
you stop students from using AI to answer the question
about being asked about how you didn't use AI. You
know in your previous exam. It's everywhere, and it's really

(55:06):
hard to get people, even in an oral exam, to
stop them from learning via AI the thing that they
should have learned in the first place.

Speaker 2 (55:13):
Absolutely, what do you reckon?

Speaker 6 (55:15):
Nick?

Speaker 4 (55:18):
Look?

Speaker 2 (55:18):
Are you there?

Speaker 22 (55:19):
I wondered, why, Oh, yes, sir, I am sorry.

Speaker 2 (55:22):
Okay, Well, did you have any people would like that? Okay? Arry? I.

Speaker 22 (55:29):
I thought your interview was very interesting because you were
thinking ahead here there are asking questions about how we
deal with this in the future, and I just don't
think I think it's that the the academic chaps, you know,
he was struggling with that, and I think that's representative

(55:49):
of society, like we are going to have to jump
ahead and consider, well, if everybody's doing this, how do
we measure their knowledge and their understanding in the future.
I thought the oral test was quite a good one,
you know, for this particular assessment. And you know, the
other question that sort of came into my mind as
I listened to your questioning was how are we going

(56:11):
to look back at this in three or five years time.
Are we going to look back and go, yeah, I
know we're on the right track sticking to our guns,
thinking that everybody had to be retested or is the
world just going to have moved on because of AI
and the way everybody just uses it without even thinking?
So you know what the problem?

Speaker 2 (56:27):
But was it obvious to you what the problem is?

Speaker 12 (56:29):
Nick?

Speaker 2 (56:30):
The problem for universities is that they try to pump
kids out nowadays, just like it's just like a sausage
factory eight Like a kid goes in and they come
up with a degree. And so if you have to
slow that process down and test one hundred and twenty
kids in every single class, verbally, you're not going to
be able to make as much money. There's your problem.

Speaker 22 (56:47):
Well, I just think that probably they're quite rigid in
the way they've decided, you know, and they want to
assess students. And that's what I was picking up is
that they just shiver as we don't have another way
of doing this, and we can't deviate. Now I understand
that from practical a practical perspective, I just think we're
going to have to evolve very quickly. Do you use method.

Speaker 2 (57:10):
Nick?

Speaker 22 (57:11):
Sorry?

Speaker 3 (57:11):
What was that?

Speaker 2 (57:12):
Do you use ai?

Speaker 22 (57:14):
Does the Pope wear a little red hat? Of course?

Speaker 3 (57:16):
I do?

Speaker 2 (57:16):
What useful?

Speaker 22 (57:18):
I use it for everything, interestingly, a lot of generating thought,
you know, thought for me, you know, like, oh, I've
got a question about such and such and it might
be a work related topic or it might not be,
and it can give me immediately because it knows men.
Because I educate it. It knows exactly the direction I want.

Speaker 2 (57:39):
To go off, Like, give you an example, what kind
of existential questions are you asking it?

Speaker 3 (57:43):
Oh?

Speaker 22 (57:43):
Well, okay, let me think you know what, what are
some interesting infrastructure delivery models in Scandinavia?

Speaker 2 (57:52):
And even I'm so sorry for AI. AI hates you.
AI wishes that you were not a customer. Hey, it's
much more interested than what I'm doing, which is sending
my kids photo Craig, do you see that you're being
left behind? You being it on with it?

Speaker 18 (58:08):
It's just I don't know. When we talk about the university,
I wouldn't want us to lose the currency of the
qualifications that we have. Yes, I wouldn't want us to
lose you know.

Speaker 3 (58:18):
You know, we go there.

Speaker 18 (58:19):
We give these institutions the ability to award people with
degrees and certificates that allow them to earn lots more
money to make, you know, decisions for other people. You know,
AI is really important. Clearly, we've got to design you know,
institutions around you know, the different environment in which they're
going to be in and we're all going to be
in in the future. But it's really important that individuals
when they leave university have the knowledge and the skills

(58:42):
regardless of AI that you know, and it's really important
that we don't lose.

Speaker 3 (58:47):
That in thinking about the act.

Speaker 18 (58:49):
That really worries me.

Speaker 2 (58:50):
It may be something close to an existential crisis for
our universities. Actually, I guys will take a break, come
back shortly quarter.

Speaker 1 (58:55):
Two the huddle with New Zealand Southby's International Realty, the
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Speaker 2 (59:02):
Right, you're back of the huddle, Craig really and Nick
leagez Right, I'm going to start with you Craig, because
I know Nick is going to give us a spray
on this four year terms yes or no.

Speaker 18 (59:13):
It's a yes from me. It's the other center. It
really is having worked in government, having worked in opposition,
three years is just too short. By the time you
get an election out of the way, by the time
you get through coalition negotiations, you basically have eighteen months
of governing the country. In the real world, it doesn't
lead to good long term government.

Speaker 2 (59:34):
With Craig, with or without Safeguard's extra checks though, oh.

Speaker 18 (59:38):
No, absolutely according't you know. We absolutely need more safeguards.
We absolutely need more opportunities to hold ministers, so I
would spend more time in the House. We have a
really good select committee process, but we ignore the results
of too many select committee processes. We don't spend long
enough debating bills and look at them properly in the House,

(01:00:01):
and we use urgency far too often. Both parties have
used urgency far too often. So I think we need
to If you're going to have a four year term,
you're going to have to slow the house down and
make better laws. But it's it's so. I think it
would provide so much more stable government, and it would
provide much better planning for delivering the infrastructure and the

(01:00:22):
things we all need.

Speaker 2 (01:00:23):
Okay, now, Nick, I think that probably is what you think.

Speaker 22 (01:00:25):
Yes, well, I was going to say, I don't need
to speak. Craig has said everything that that I believe
on the subject. Look, either, I know that you've had
a go at it, and I understand your reasons why.
But if New Zealand wants different results, if we want
to be more productive, if we want to get better

(01:00:45):
value out of our public services and our infrastructure, we've
got to do some things differently. And giving a governing
party or parties longer periods to actually get their policy
agenda through and make things work. Seems to me to
be a pretty good attempt at doing that. And why

(01:01:06):
is this country? You know, we talk about your program
every day. You talk about things that are wrong, and
I agree with you on much of it. But here's
the way. Here's an actual solution that might improve the
way we govern. And yes, like Craig, I think urgency
is used far too often. We've got to have a
much higher bar. We've got a strength in our select

(01:01:27):
committees so they actually properly scrutinize and listened to when
they do scrutinize and come up with amendments to legislation.
And we've got to allow parties to actually get an
agenda lodged and humming at the moment. And I take
your point. You don't get to change a four year

(01:01:48):
term it. You've got to wait to vote the party out.
But also you get to see the cut of their
jib and you might give them a second term left
oft them.

Speaker 2 (01:01:57):
Here's the thing though, Look I don't mind it, but
all we talk about, well I do mind it. Without
the safeguards. All we're talking about is a four year term.
But no one because it's not sexy to talk about
all the other stuff that you need to do, like
the changes you need to do at Select Committee. And
but that's so fundamental. And so do you think that
if we went to a referendum and we were like
New Zealand, do you want a four year term? Would
we also have all of that stuff baked in so

(01:02:19):
that we could know that it would be safe.

Speaker 22 (01:02:22):
Well, I think there needs to be a political consensus
around that, and in a sense we have to safeguard
those things that go along with it because and I
don't know how you're sabbath that. I mean, I don't
want to see that question on the referendum voting paper.
But we do have to have it baked in, don't we.

Speaker 2 (01:02:42):
Yeah, we totally totally do, really quickly. What do you think,
Craig about the TV and Z payoffering? You like this idea?

Speaker 18 (01:02:50):
I haven't really seen it as the pad TV offer.

Speaker 4 (01:02:53):
I don't.

Speaker 18 (01:02:54):
I'm not a big fan of peds TV, particularly for
where there's big sporting events. It's one of the few
times the country can actually get together and free.

Speaker 2 (01:03:03):
Do you like football?

Speaker 18 (01:03:04):
By the way, I'm not actually a big giant fun
of sport generally, but in terms of really, I'm not
as a new customer needed fun, you know, it's just
a permanent exercise and disappointment.

Speaker 17 (01:03:17):
But in terms of the in terms of the in
terms of what I think.

Speaker 18 (01:03:21):
The more opportunities we can actually use TV in the
media to actually come together rather than making an excusive
and holding and stopping some people from viewing it, that
to me is a much better way than than actually,
you know, putting up tea walls.

Speaker 22 (01:03:34):
What about you, neck, Well, I think if the if
the underlying TV channel is no longer financial, you've got
to look at ways to generate revenue to keep it going.
But I agree with Craig's sentiment actually in terms of
we do need free to wear big sporting matches available
for everybody, but actually we've also got to have you know,

(01:03:56):
we know that our current media structures are waning in place,
than we need to look their ways to keep them going.
And that does mean revenue generation for these sort of things.
So it might be a reality.

Speaker 6 (01:04:07):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:04:07):
I mean, the thing is the all whites games are free,
so we'll have our games. I don't know if i'd
call them big, but we will have them guys. Thank you,
Craig Rennie Nick Leggett. I'll huddle this evening eight away
from six.

Speaker 1 (01:04:17):
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Speaker 2 (01:04:24):
Hither I use AI to describe photos for me because
I'm blind. That's quite a good way of using it, Heather.
Doesn't this just show that these types of jobs will
be obsolete soon? With AI? Teach the kids to be
tradees or Sparky's or engineers, as these will be the
people that actually build something that the AI uses. Thoughts, Well,
do you know what I mean? I think we all
need to accept that there will be jobs that will

(01:04:45):
be will become non existent or simply you won't need
as many people to be doing things right you simply
what like, for example, think about do you use olive?
I love olive Olive? Do you use olive? Olive? Oliver
is the chat assistant with Woolworths. So when you get
your you order your grocery. I love all Worth order
my groceries online and then they deliver it to my
door and then they've forgotten to put the beer in

(01:05:07):
because somebody's not I don't know why. But they didn't,
and so I just talked to Olive us just like, oh,
head up, Olive. I was like, Olivia didn't need a refund.
And then Olive prompts you, it's like, what's the name,
what's your number? But not even put that in? What's
your emailogies? Put that in? What number? What on the
in voice? You put that in? How many didn't you
get one? And you're done and you don't have to
talk to anybody. That's somebody's job olives taken because there

(01:05:29):
would have been somebody before who would have answered the
phone and done that. So absolutely there'll be jobs that
are gone, right, but I think most of our jobs
will still exist. The vast majority of our jobs will
still exist. We'll just have fewer of them. But it's
probably not a bad idea to be training the kids.
The kids be doing the old hands on stuff, you know,
because AI is hardly going to be doing your electrical
work for a little while. And by the way, did
you see the bruise on Donald Trump's hand, Because there's

(01:05:51):
been a bruise on Donald Trump's hand for a week while,
but it's now massive. Should go and have a look.
That's an enormous bruise. They this was seen at the
Executive Ordering Order sign on Monday and then later in
the day with the meeting of the South Korean President.
They're still putting it down to the aspirins and the handshaking,
and maybe it works. I don't really I haven't. I
haven't been on the aspirins. I haven't done that many
handshakes and none of us have, so maybe it's plausible.

(01:06:13):
I don't know, but it does look rather large. Now,
just really quickly, can I just say I'm very disappointed
in Auckland Council because I thought Auckland Council was doing
an okay job managing the money because their rates rises
were so low. It was like five point eight percent
or something ridiculously low. But Auckland Council has been busted
being just as frivolous as Tory in Wellington. They have
pot up about a quarter of a million dollars worth

(01:06:34):
of fairy lights at Silo Park. How do you spend
two hundred and fifty thousand dollars on fairy lights? What
are you doing? Anyway? Well, we all need to go
down to Silo Park and Auckland now go and gaze
at it because geez were paid a lot for it.
Do you know how many people paid? Do you know
how many households? How many households rates were used to
pay for those fairy lights? Sixty That's ridiculous, isn't it. Disappointed?

(01:06:57):
Disappointed in New Auckland Council sort it out. Michael Boggs,
Boss of ME with us next on the results reported
to the inzt X today were.

Speaker 1 (01:07:09):
Person may keeping track of where the money is flowing.
The business hour with Heather due for cl ands for
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Speaker 2 (01:07:23):
All right, welcome. Coming up in the next hour, Assault
Funds is going to talk us through the report that
we've never had this much foreign interest in buying New
Zealand businesses. Jamie McKay will talk us through the updated
sale price for Fonterra and Indo Brady will do the
UK for US. Seven past six now, media company enz
Me has revealed it spent five million dollars on restructuring
and fighting off a bid to take over control of
the company. The company which owns The Herald, and of

(01:07:45):
course ourselves in the newstalk ZEDB made a four hundred
thousand dollars loss for the first half year half of
the year, down from one point nine million dollar profit
in the previous year. It was the one off costs
of just over five million dollars that drag the results
into the red. Michael Bogs is the chief executive High
Good Afternoons, So if you take out the one offs,
then Insig's actually been doing really well at a time

(01:08:06):
when I can't think of any other media company that
has been doing well. How are you doing it well?

Speaker 10 (01:08:10):
I think you're exactly right. You know, we're really pleased
from an underlying perspective to have delivered a really strong
result Ebit Dhara improvement year on year, and it is
a tough economic environment. The good news is we are
seeing some of the large businesses back advertising again, so
they're going, actually, we want to start spending on brand again.
It's the small business, small medium businesses that really are

(01:08:31):
doing it tough.

Speaker 2 (01:08:32):
So why are the big guys doing okay?

Speaker 10 (01:08:34):
I think they're just getting ahead of it. They can
see that things will get better. They're like they've got
the bigger budgets and they've really come into radio and
into print, which has been really good to.

Speaker 2 (01:08:43):
See do you think they're right? Are we through the
worst of it?

Speaker 10 (01:08:46):
Well, if you listen to the commentators, even in the
last couple of days, seems to be people are seeing
green shoots. But sadly, I've been saying that for the
last year and every one of our results announcements. So
in our pack today we did actually.

Speaker 3 (01:08:58):
Put it out.

Speaker 2 (01:08:58):
How do you know then that this time isn't a
full storm?

Speaker 10 (01:09:01):
And so this time we've not done any forecast based
on green shoots. All of our guidance has been based
on the economy as we see it today, and that's
an improvement on last year.

Speaker 2 (01:09:10):
Okay, what's going on with revenue radio? I see the
revenues up.

Speaker 10 (01:09:13):
Yes, indeed, so for the first time and some time,
we've seen terrestrial radio increasing as well as digital radio increasing.
We've seen our overall revenue market share come back to
where it has been previously, and we're doing some really
neat things around audience. You'll hate to hear this, but
you know I heart Country New Zealand.

Speaker 2 (01:09:31):
I do hate that at all. Why would I hate
I don't know you, no, I know what's going on.
You're looking at me and you're going I'm too cool
to like country.

Speaker 12 (01:09:39):
That was it?

Speaker 2 (01:09:39):
Thank you, I appreciate that. Excellent and yet I'm not
that cool at all. Now tell me how much did
you spend on the lawyers and stuff for fighting off
the board takeover bit?

Speaker 10 (01:09:49):
Well, it was a small portion of our one off.
So you will have seen during the period.

Speaker 2 (01:09:52):
Read at the start like it was millions.

Speaker 10 (01:09:54):
It's exactly right, that's right. So some people have misreported
that today, actually that there was five million dollars of
one off. The social with that, I can tell you
is less than a million dollars, and it's million dollars
we prefer not to spend obviously, So without that five
million dollars of one off, which included you know, well,
I think you know, it brought some clarity to the
business being changed at the board. Our shareholders obviously wanted change,

(01:10:16):
and it's working really well for us today.

Speaker 2 (01:10:19):
That the shareholders who are behind that may regret that
given that they now realize the cost of it.

Speaker 10 (01:10:24):
Oh look, I can't talk for them, because I would.

Speaker 2 (01:10:27):
And there's a lot of money to have squandered on
something like that. Tell me how this editorial board is
going to work.

Speaker 10 (01:10:32):
Well, A great news is I think Murray Kirknis, who
runs our newsroom here. He's been intimately involved in designing
the charter of the editorial Board, as has our board.
It reports to the board as in an advisory fashion.
It has no executive influence as such. And the great
news is that Murray and I are able to be
part of those meetings while we don't specifically sit on

(01:10:52):
the board. So I think it's a really good way
to bring different perspectives, different voices.

Speaker 2 (01:10:55):
I mean, it sounds like can tell me if I'm wrong,
But it sounds like what they're going to be doing
is basically just listening to the radio, reading the papers,
and then coming at you and saying, look, we think
that maybe this is not working or that is working.
It's kind of informal like that.

Speaker 10 (01:11:08):
I think it is. But they'll, I think they'll take
a much more long titudor review of what have we
been talking about for the last three years, five years,
ten years? Are we covering topics good enough?

Speaker 6 (01:11:18):
Right?

Speaker 2 (01:11:18):
So they may come to you and say, hey, this
is a really big issue that you are not covering
it all and you should.

Speaker 10 (01:11:22):
Be absolutely And you know, I think it can be
quite easy at times. Sometimes we can be focused on
the here and now. So if you've got some people
standing back with a little more time coming and giving advice,
so I think that's really helpful.

Speaker 2 (01:11:32):
Is this a political leaning thing?

Speaker 3 (01:11:34):
Absolutely not.

Speaker 10 (01:11:35):
The Charter and I'm not sure if you had a
chance to read it says it must be from diverse
backgrounds and that's political spectrum as well.

Speaker 2 (01:11:42):
What I mean is is it possible that for a
long time, I think the criticism has been fair that
many media outlets, and I'm not going to name anybody,
but that many media outlets have allowed themselves to become
perhaps overly caught up in what we would consider to
be quite left wing views or woke views. Some would say,
is it possible that they will come to you and say,

(01:12:02):
you know, hey, you guys are going down this particular
path and that's not a good path to go down,
or balance it out.

Speaker 10 (01:12:08):
Yeah, I think they could definitely give some perspectives of
what we're covering, on what we're not and are we
being balanced and everything. But I think the other thing
is you will have seen from some of the recent
research by Curia that says we are the most balanced
of all media, and so that's something we should hold
our heads proud with Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:12:23):
Absolutely. Now what about the situation with herold, Now, how's
that going?

Speaker 10 (01:12:27):
He pleased with it, very pleased with it. So we're
seeing really strong take up not only on our own platforms,
but certainly externally as well. So obviously on the Herald
website you can see it a little harder to see
on the Herald app, and we'd like to improve that experience.

Speaker 2 (01:12:40):
Actually that's a good point.

Speaker 10 (01:12:42):
But we're seeing huge take up on YouTube for example.
Are you so many people sitting at home?

Speaker 2 (01:12:46):
What are people doing? Are they going back and watching
the interviews again.

Speaker 10 (01:12:49):
They are, or even watching it live.

Speaker 2 (01:12:51):
How many people have you got sitting down over their
breakfast watching it on their laptop?

Speaker 10 (01:12:55):
I think you would see there would be many, many thousands.

Speaker 2 (01:12:59):
Are you being deliver really a bit vague?

Speaker 3 (01:13:00):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (01:13:01):
I am confidential?

Speaker 11 (01:13:02):
Fair enough?

Speaker 2 (01:13:02):
Okay, where are we at? By the way, with the
Google and the Facebook guys paying.

Speaker 10 (01:13:05):
For news, there's nothing more we're doing at the moment.

Speaker 18 (01:13:07):
You know.

Speaker 10 (01:13:08):
I think the New Zealand government's very focused on what's
happening in Australia and likely to be a fast follower.

Speaker 2 (01:13:13):
Yeah, so we'll have to first watch what they do.
We're not going to do anything until then, and then
we might follow them very quickly.

Speaker 3 (01:13:20):
Absolutely.

Speaker 2 (01:13:20):
Okay, Now, Boxy, tell me when you think everybody's going
to feel better about the economy. Like it's one thing
to talk about green shoots and and things turning around
in the big advertisers coming in, but what about the
average guy out there? When is he going to feel better?

Speaker 10 (01:13:33):
Maybe you you get more commentators in here than I
do every day to talk about that. You know, we've
been playing a part of our role in the last
few months. We've written over or just under sorry, five
hundred stories titled on the app trying to tell good
news stories about what's happening in business.

Speaker 18 (01:13:47):
Is it working?

Speaker 10 (01:13:48):
And I think people are going Actually those are really
good stories. We've seen communities engaging in them and people
going we just like more of that things.

Speaker 2 (01:13:56):
Boxy, it's good to talk to you. I really appreciate
your time. Thank you so much. Bog's chief executive have
ensed me. By the way, just on that news out
of Australia this afternoon, is that Trump is demanding countries
back down on tech regulation or he's going to slap
them with big new tariffs. And that is obviously aimed
squarely at Australia and what they are up to. Fourteen
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Speaker 3 (01:15:17):
The Rural Report on hither do for ce Allen.

Speaker 2 (01:15:20):
Drive eighteen past six and Jamie mckaye, Host of the
Countries with us Helo Jamie Good. So, Federated farmers like
the fact that the Reserve banks having a look at
those those bank capital rules.

Speaker 6 (01:15:30):
Yeah, yeah, exactly. I mean, I think Adrian Or's for
Old Adrian, He's right in the firing line at the moment.

Speaker 4 (01:15:37):
Isn't he?

Speaker 6 (01:15:38):
He was responsible for this one or it certainly happened
under his watch that banks had to require enough capital
to withstand a one and two hundred year shock. And
I guess the double whammy for the likes of the
farmers was they had to hold twice The banks had
to hold twice as much capital for rural lending as
they did for residential on heather. The real irony and

(01:16:00):
that at the moment is Auckland and Wellington house prices
fall and probably becoming risky investments compared to farm prices
that are going up. So yeah, the Federated Farmer's banking
guy Mark Hooper has taken over from Richard McIntyre, both Calcock.
He's both done a really good job on this. The

(01:16:21):
FEDS have in fact, and they're glad that they've got
this through or it's going to be looked at. Look.
I think the biggest surprise for me, Heather, was yesterday
morning when the PM was talking to Mike Hosking and
he was, you know, putting his ore or putting a
spanner in the works. Almost there, And he's on my
show tomorrow. I'm going to ask him this. Did he

(01:16:42):
did he overstep the mark? I mean, good on him.
I think he's exactly right. But it's meant to be
the Reserve Bank's meant to be an independent entity. And
maybe the Prime Minister got into their air and shoot
at big time.

Speaker 4 (01:16:53):
Who knows?

Speaker 2 (01:16:54):
Who knows? How good is this price looking now that
the Bager Group have settled.

Speaker 6 (01:17:00):
What about three point eight four billion, which is a
hell of a lot of money. It's now four point
to two billion. I heard you talking about it. I
think between four and five, Heather. Yeah, so they got
the licenses. They agreed on that one. It's great. The
Fonterra is still targeting, by the way, a capital return
of two dollars per share for the farmer shareholders. So

(01:17:22):
of that four point two billion, three point two billion
of it will be a capital distribution, providing, of course,
the farmer shareholders vote for it, and turkeys don't vote
for an early Christmas and the fight. That's not a
good example, and the farmers will be thinking, I'm calling
them turkeys there, but complete, the complete, the opposite. This

(01:17:42):
is Christmas for the farmers. And I know that theoretically
some of them are saying, look, we should be keeping
our consumer brands. But you'd have to back Miles Hurrel,
Peter McBride and the team at Fonterra. They're doing a
pretty good job. This three point two billion, A lot
of it will go to paying down debt. Remember that
even though the shares were trading up to six bucks today,

(01:18:03):
some of those farmers bought shares six or seven or
even eight dollars when they picked. So they're going to
pay down a bit of debt. But also I think
there's a lot of pent up capital expenditure that needs
to happen on farms, and I'm talking about replacement tractors,
maybe capital fertilizer. You combine that with lower interest rates
and better returns, and I think this farming season twenty

(01:18:27):
five twenty six is going.

Speaker 4 (01:18:28):
To be a ripper.

Speaker 2 (01:18:29):
Have you figured out how much you're going to get?

Speaker 6 (01:18:33):
Well, you mean me a dairy farmer. Well, Heather, I'll
let you in on a wee secret. I'm in an
equity partnershops, so I'm only one vote in six back
in the day, and I voted the other way, but
you've got to go with majority. We sold our Fonterra
shares and we supply Open Country, and honestly, Open Country

(01:18:56):
a very good company to supply as well watertime.

Speaker 2 (01:19:00):
Jamie, thank you very much, appreciate it. Jamie mckaye, host
of the Country. Hither this is read Michael Boggs. It
was on just before, Heather. I agree that editorial is
generally fair and balanced at endzied me. However, the cartoonists
are very biased. They never send up the left. Now, James,
I'm gonna have to agree with you or that. I
have been noticing this, and this is not just Enzi

(01:19:22):
me cartoonist, it's actually cartoonists across the board. I've noticed
that that every time I look at it, I go, oh,
that's some that's an interesting take. It's not always wrong.
I'm not saying it's wrong. It just I just look
at it and go, it's interesting take. Yeah, where's the
other or no, no, no other side.

Speaker 4 (01:19:37):
But but.

Speaker 2 (01:19:40):
When I say that, you shouldn't trust me on this
because I don't look at the cartoons very often anymore,
do you? I mean, like, who looks at cartoons nowadays?
And I'm asking this genuinely, who actually looks at cartoons nowadays?
Only do they even do cartoons on the weekend papers
because those are the only papers that the work sends me. Now,
I don't get them a y the week they send

(01:20:00):
me the weekend ones to have a look at. I
never see a cartoon, and that's because I don't know.
Am I not looking for the cartoon? Am I not
interested in it? Have the days of cartoons passed by
in the digital age? When actually you don't need to
look at a drawn picture. You can look at I
don't know, the actual picture, like the actual picture of
what really happened. Very clever cartoonists, but they are always
quite left leaning, aren't they? And maybe maybe a little

(01:20:23):
bit of an anachronism six twenty three.

Speaker 3 (01:20:26):
If it's to do with money, it matters to you.

Speaker 1 (01:20:29):
The Business Hour where the Heather, duperic Ellen and Mas
for Trusted Home Insurance Solutions news talks that'd be hither.

Speaker 2 (01:20:37):
The problem with cartoons is we don't have Tremaine Scott
and their ilk anymore. Heather, bring back Peter Bromhead. Very
clever man, Yeah, nostalgia. By the way, Genesis reported it's
profit up twenty nine percent, but the shares fell. Shares
felt because the forward outlook is apparently quite disappointing, and
it's disappointing because they've used up all their cheap carbon
credits and they're gonna have to pay more for carbon,
so it eats into the old profits and stuff like that. Also,

(01:21:00):
so the CEO has expressed a hope that the government
would resist calls for the four big generated retailers the
gentailors to start running their generation and retail arms of
separate businesses. I think he'll be okay. So I don't
think this government's demonstrated an abbetite to do anything particularly difficult,
so he should be fine. Six twenty six.

Speaker 3 (01:21:16):
Ever, Duper se Ellen, Okay, here's.

Speaker 2 (01:21:18):
Your Showbur's news. Snoop is in trouble. No, he doesn't
care because he's a gangster, but he's still in trouble.
He said something a little bit of our eyebrow raising.
When he was on the It's Giving podcast with his wife,
talked a lot about fatherhood and about being a husband,
and then he told the story about going to see

(01:21:39):
light Year. Now, light Year is the toy story prequel
that came out a couple of years ago, and if
you haven't heard of it, that's because it's bad now.
He said he went to see it with his grandson
and he felt a bit put off because he didn't
know that there was going to be a lesbian couple
in the film.

Speaker 3 (01:21:53):
And she had a baby. What a woman?

Speaker 23 (01:21:57):
Oh my grands in the middle of the movie, like,
Papa flu how she have a baby with a woman?

Speaker 3 (01:22:02):
Sheer woman? Uh, I just came and watching goddamn movie.
Hey man, watch the movie. Uh uh.

Speaker 4 (01:22:09):
I mean, I'm scared to go to the movies. They're
like y'all me in the military. I don't have an
answer for it.

Speaker 2 (01:22:16):
Saying you're scared to go to the movies is probably
a little bit of an overreaction, but yeah, look, it does.
It does lead to some chet, doesn't It you're gonna
have to You're gonna have to sit down and have
that chat. That's definitely a chat. You palm that one
off to the parents. You don't want to be doing
that as a grandparent anyway. Snoop Dogg's real name. You
want to know this one. Calvin called as our broadest junior.
You learn something new er day, as he would say, yeah,

(01:22:39):
there we go. I want it to be a gangster
wants to Matt Goodson, Salt Funds is going to be
with us next to talk us through why it is
that all the overseas people want to buy our stuff
at the minute, and buy stuff, I mean businesses, news talks,
try to get it.

Speaker 4 (01:22:53):
You park it like it's hard. Park it like it's hard, park.

Speaker 3 (01:22:56):
It like it's crushing the numbers and getting the results.

Speaker 1 (01:23:00):
It's Heather d for Sea Ellen with the Business Hour
and MAS for Trusted Home Insurance Solutions news talks.

Speaker 3 (01:23:07):
That'd be.

Speaker 2 (01:23:17):
But Andy Brady's out of the UK for us in
about ten minutes time. By the way, restaurant brands they've
reported as well, not great for them. This is the
lot that owns KFC normal normally during a recession, you
think again, we start eating the old fast food doesn't
appear to have happened this time, and normally New Zealand
is the most successful market for them, but the sales
have been flat, and that's even though they've opened six

(01:23:39):
new stores. In just the last year, same store sales
for the same store sales fell three point one percent.
They reckon that it'll get better as the economy improves.
But yeah, I think that's probably a fair prediction for everybody.
Twenty four away from seven now, we've apparently never had
more overseas interest in buying New Zealand businesses. A survey
of foreign investors by Simpson Gresson has found that forty
nine percent them are considering investing in New Zealand next year.

(01:24:02):
That's up from forty percent last year. Not much of
a surprise considering we've seen about fifty takeover deals in
the last year, including our Vida Sparks, data center, business
and event Finder. Matt Goodson is Salt Funds Managements, managing
directories with us. Hey, Matt, evening, why are our businesses
so popular overseas?

Speaker 23 (01:24:21):
I think it's probably not too different to normal.

Speaker 4 (01:24:23):
Now.

Speaker 23 (01:24:23):
We've seen a lot of takeovers on the insie x,
but some of them them have been local and as
you say, some of them have gone to offshore.

Speaker 2 (01:24:30):
And so it does seem like it's slightly high at
the moment, does it not. I mean, apparently we have
we have had extra interest at the moment.

Speaker 4 (01:24:38):
Yeah.

Speaker 23 (01:24:39):
Now, we've certainly lost quite a few companies, especially at
the small runes, and I think the tough economy has
weighed on valuations there. And it's hard yards if you're
not a big company in the indices that the passive
funds have to buy. So that has possibly made a
few of those smaller companies a bit vulnerable. And something

(01:25:00):
happens all the time. But the burial warriors, there haven't
been any new ones list.

Speaker 4 (01:25:03):
No.

Speaker 23 (01:25:03):
Normally you lose some and then you gain some more. Yeah,
but we just haven't been seeing the new ones.

Speaker 2 (01:25:08):
Why not?

Speaker 23 (01:25:11):
State of the economy. I think it's a global thing
as well. A lot of private equity companies are holding
on to firms that they would have exited by now.
And also the fixed costs have been listed just keep
creeping up, the compliance costs, the cut carbon disclosure requirements,
et cetera, et cetera. And you know in the typical

(01:25:31):
size for a Kiewe firm. Being a small economy is
a bit smaller, so those fixed costs can really weigh
on people who are considering it.

Speaker 2 (01:25:37):
Is this a case of them needing to send David
Seymour and his team and to cut some red tape.

Speaker 23 (01:25:43):
I wouldn't do any harm a better economy. It would
also help, yeah, And so look, you know, hopefully in
the next twelve to eighteen months we will see some
new listings, but right now at this minute, there aren't
too many that I'm aware of.

Speaker 21 (01:25:57):
In the word work is.

Speaker 2 (01:26:00):
Part of the reason that the international buyers are interested,
because our businesses are actually presenting is quite a bargain
at the minute.

Speaker 23 (01:26:08):
It's some are, some aren't. If you look at equity
markets all around the world, what you see is the
largest companies are really high valuations by and large at
the moment, but a lot of smaller companies have been
left behind, so S and P and the US all
time record. But the average company is trading it perfectly

(01:26:29):
bang on its average evaluation. You've seen that about here
as well, So you know, I think it's just a
case of where people can see an opportunity target whereas
some synergies I've been making a move.

Speaker 2 (01:26:42):
Now even find it. When we spoke to them earlier
about the sales to Ticketek, they said, in order to
be able to upsize and go global, they would need
the likes of Ticketek to take them there. Why can't
they do it themselves?

Speaker 23 (01:26:56):
Kiwi companies I have had a long struggle going global.
Many've tried, Yeah, not many have succeeded. Capital base, You're
up against very deep, deep pocketed competitors, often, oversays, unless
what you're doing has a real edge. So in other
likes of Zero have succeeded, although chiefly in Australia and

(01:27:19):
still really struggling in the US. But you know a
lot of companies have tried and failed. Yeah, Or you
really need a technical edge like Fisher and Pipal Healthcare
of course, which is probably our poster child.

Speaker 4 (01:27:30):
Matt.

Speaker 2 (01:27:30):
It's good to talk to you. Thank you so much.
Matt Goodson, Salt Funds Management, Managing Director. So some of
the numbers behind it is that it seems to be
post COVID.

Speaker 4 (01:27:39):
Well.

Speaker 2 (01:27:39):
Prior to COVID we were doing well, COVID slumped US,
and then post COVID we're doing up well again. So
in twenty eighteen we had deals worth about eight billion
that fell back in twenty nineteen. That'll be when just
Sinder started getting a clause into the place. Yes, I
was being deliberately mean, I was in despite the text
telling me to ease off. I just find I can't.
Twenty twenty it fell again, and that's because of COVID.

(01:28:00):
So the deals fell back to about three billion. Then
it bounced up again. Twenty twenty one deals hit ten billion,
and then foul again fell again. Twenty twenty three it's
down to about five billion, and since then it's been
going up again. So it's definitely it's definitely on the up,
twenty away.

Speaker 3 (01:28:13):
From seven due Allen.

Speaker 2 (01:28:15):
Now, the Democrats have been told in a memo to
stop using woke language. They got this is post. They're
loss with Kamala Harris Banks being thrashed by the Orange Boy.
They got Third Way in third Way is a center
left think tak tank, and third Way has accused the
Democrats of using an awful lot of words and phrases
no ordinary person would ever dream of saying. They call

(01:28:35):
it therapy speak, and they've given a list of Honestly,
I wouldn't know what half of this was if it
wasn't that it was explained to me. They've instructed left
wing politicians to stop using terms such as inseminated person
instead of pregnant woman. That's right. This is nothing sexier

(01:28:56):
than being called an inseminated person. Awesome, You're going to
be put out there with the herd, with Daisy the
cow in a minute. They've also told them to stop
using the phrase chest feeding for obvious reasons. You're numpties,
it's breastfeeding. Official policy papers written by Joe Biden's administration
referred to justice involved populations as opposed to prisoners. Justice

(01:29:19):
involved populations as opposed to prisoners. Instead of just calling
them convicts or ex convicts, they were calling them previously
incarcerated individuals. I mean, honestly. Third Way points out that
prisoners were regularly described by Democrats as incarcerated people who
were suffering from involuntary confinement. That is exactly what is

(01:29:42):
going on. It's called a jail. When it came to race,
the papers said that Democrats often used sociology buzzwords such
as latin X. My I can't even say this word minratorized.
I just have to make sure I've got all the
Lisa's hold on minoritized, minoritized, minoritized communities. What is that minoritize?

(01:30:08):
Is it a minority community but it's been minoritized by
something else?

Speaker 4 (01:30:12):
Does that?

Speaker 2 (01:30:13):
Is that a relational thing? Anyway? And intersectionality I tend
to agree terms to be avoided included privilege, othering, progressive stack,
whatever the hell that is, body shaming, and safe space.
So yeah, hopefully things will get better for them in

(01:30:33):
a minute if they stop doing that. Hands up. If
you've got a beach house, no, actually, don't put it
down immediately, or even a house near the sea. I
don't want to know that you've got it, because you
might be in trouble. An economist reckons that if you
own a host a house in what is known as
a hazardous area, your house is probably over value to
the tune of about thirty or forty percent. Now, if
you own a beach house, that's immediately immediately you go,

(01:30:55):
oh that sucks. I went yay, because I've got my
eyes on a beach house, but it's so bloody expensive.
I'm only going to get it when I'm definitely at
retirement age, and I thought, yeay, if I take forty
percent of that, it's almost affordable. But no, probably not anyway.
I'll explain why not in a minute. This is Belinda's story.
She does research work on climate change risks. She's given

(01:31:16):
a lecture, a Guesst lecture to Treasure recently. Treasury recently,
she says houses that are vulnerable to coastal erosional flooding
or land slide. So that's basically anything near the sea
or anything with a seaview are probably overvalued by about
thirty to forty percent because we keep on with the
belief that the government will bail people out if something
bad happens, which is obviously what we still believe is
going to happen. And as long as we do, those

(01:31:37):
property values will continue to be mispriced. So when I
read that, I thought, oh yeah, coming from my place.
I'm coming from my house. I take forty percent off
and then it becomes affordable. But unfortunately, we still are
continuing with this right, so we still do the thing
where the government is the insurer of last resorts. So
as long as we continue with that, my dream beach
house is still going to it will stay several several

(01:31:58):
several several several millions, But heads up if you've got
a beach house, because it could change on you sixteen
away from seven.

Speaker 3 (01:32:05):
Whether it's macro microbe or just plain economics.

Speaker 1 (01:32:08):
It's all on the Business hours with Heather Duplicy, Ellen
Danmes for Trusted Home Insurance Solutions use talks.

Speaker 2 (01:32:16):
That'd be Oh, by the way, if you thought that
I'm done with you after reading reading you that bit
about previously incarcerated persons. That's in chest feeding and inseminated
persons and so on and so on, just wait till
I get so the children having to dental floss. We
are not finished with the stupid ideas on this show.
Got another thirteen minutes to go into Brady UK correspondence
with us Hello.

Speaker 11 (01:32:36):
Enda, talking of which here I am, how are you heither?

Speaker 2 (01:32:40):
You are the furthest thing from his stupid idea? Ender,
Now talk to me about Nigel farranj speaking of how
what are we expecting from his migration plans?

Speaker 11 (01:32:49):
So he says Labor's plan was done on the back
of a fag packet to use his words, and he
says he will today in the next couple of hours,
said out a comprehensive plan from mass deportation of migrants
and people who are not meant to be in the UK,
people who are not legally allowed to be in the UK.
And he's hugely critical of Caer Starmer and his government.

(01:33:12):
And it's costing an awful lot of money putting people
up in hotels and b and b accommodation sixteen million
dollars a day to the UK taxpayer. Now the dog
days of August are normally when you won't see a
politician in Westminster.

Speaker 3 (01:33:26):
For love nor money.

Speaker 11 (01:33:27):
Nothing will drag them back to the office. And it's
quite telling that Forage is coming out today while everyone
else is away. He clearly sees it as a political
opportunity for him. People have had enough. I mean, I've
just driven back from Ireland all the way through Wales
as soon as we got into English motorways yesterday. I've
only been away ten days. Huge number of England flags,

(01:33:50):
cross of Saint George everywhere. There's been a big upsurge
in the last two weeks. Really, people are feeling very
patriotic and I think a lot of people but are
listening to Farage with him saying let's sort this out.

Speaker 2 (01:34:04):
So he does play things quite well. Does this mean
what do you think that this means for how they're
going to do in central government elections? Potentially?

Speaker 11 (01:34:13):
I think Reform will do really well. They're currently polling
twenty five twenty six percent. Well, they've got to hold
it for four years if he wants to become prime minister.
That's the challenge. He's only got three other MPs. Reform
is a party of four politicians. But he's not stupid
and he knows that there is an appetite for change.

(01:34:33):
People have had enough of Starmar already. It's it's a
fascinating time. But look, if he wants to fulfill everything
he's trying to do, he will have to take the
UK out of the European Court of Human Rights on
day one.

Speaker 2 (01:34:46):
Does reefs get rolled?

Speaker 11 (01:34:50):
This is interesting. Look, she's definitely got this budget coming
in autumn, and I think if we don't start seeing
some growth, but like you just think the just keep
saying growth or we're waiting for growth. The key to
Britain not having growth is directly linked to leaving the
European Union and breaks it and join the dots up.

(01:35:11):
If you know, we're in a very strange trading time
globally now with Trump and tariffs and everything else, and
the UK is weaker because it breaksit.

Speaker 2 (01:35:19):
Yeah, I just wonder if I mean the reason I
asked you that question is I wonder if Reeves does
if Stamach can hold Reeves, and if Reeves gets rolled,
isn't that such an obvious sign that everything's imploding. It
makes you wonder whether Nigel Farage will really have to
hold these numbers four four years or whether they go
to the park.

Speaker 11 (01:35:37):
I think I think if Reeves gets rolled, Starmer will
ultimately have to go as well, because the two were
inextricably linked, because he has back to her and you
remember the other week when she cried in Parliament and
it all looked very awkward. I think the two of
them are in it together now. But there is no
growth here. We have nine point two million adults not

(01:35:57):
working and not in education or training, nine point two
million doing nothing.

Speaker 2 (01:36:03):
Yeah, and there's definitely demands for change. Hey, thank you
very much and I really appreciate it. Endo Brady, UK
correspondent By the way, Yeah, if you listen to Trump,
but really, do us sound as if the putin Zelenski
meeting is not gonna happen because has language.

Speaker 6 (01:36:16):
I mean the man.

Speaker 2 (01:36:17):
The man has no poker face. Ah, So you can
sort of see how things are going just by by
how he's behaving. He says, Putin's dislike of Zelenski is
what's holding up the meeting between the two of them.
He says he doesn't like him, as in Putin doesn't
like Zelenski. I have people I don't like and I
don't meet with them as in that's totally fine. So
I think you can see this is not going to happen.

(01:36:39):
Just as to whether he takes the slying down or
gets crossed with Putin doesn't sound like he's terribly cross
does it. Nine away from seven it's the.

Speaker 1 (01:36:46):
Heather Toople see Allan Drive Full Show podcast on iHeartRadio
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Speaker 2 (01:36:54):
All right, are you ready for us? Because we're not
finished with stupid things? Six away from seven, So there
is a piece that up on the news websites here
in New Zealand today telling you that kids must floss
their teeth. How young. Oh, we know kids should los
the teth. Everybody should have lost their teeth. But there's
a reasonable age which kids, you know, which age you
start flossing at kid's teeth, like a kid should be
able to dress themselves from the age of about three

(01:37:16):
and a half, right, and a kid should you know,
do we we standing up in the toilet from the
age of two and a half three there's a reasonable age.
So from what age should a child floss their teeth?
Six months? From the age of six months. Children need
to floss their teeth at the point at which teeth
are upped and touch each other, and you must do

(01:37:36):
it or you're ruining your child's chances at life. Let
me quote. You may think flossing is not worth the
time or the trouble, especially for younger children who'll lose
their baby teeth in a few years. Anyway, However, baby
teeth play a vice will role in how children's joelbones
develop and how their faces appear. If you don't floss them,
they're going to be ugly and losing baby teeth early

(01:37:56):
due to the dentil decay that can arise from not flossing.
Can have several effects as a child that can change
their speech and appearance. These can affect a child's self
esteem and impact their well being depending on their age.
Losing baby teeth early can also affect them as a
teenager or an adult. Baby teeth actors got blah blah,
blah blah blah whatever. Whatever. Can I tell you how

(01:38:18):
much I rage at this kind of crap? I rage
at this because this is you you, and I know
it's utter bollocks, don't you? You know it's utter bollocks.
You don't need to brush your child's teeth when this
You don't need to brush you child's teeth when they're
six months old. If you do not need to brush
their child, your child's teeth when they're sex month old,
what the hell are you doing flossing it? You don't
need to floss it. That's ridiculous. Have you seen You've
seen how small the little faces are, the tiny little teeth,

(01:38:41):
like there's little gaps that the gaps are there. That's
why you don't need to floss it. But also, apart
from that, apart from this ridiculous notion, do you not, like,
just think about the things that they're telling you to
do already as a parent, right you're told to brush
your children's teeth twice from the age of six, floss
your children's teeth, make them. Eat three vegetables plus meat,
no sugar at all, Sleep twelve hours, exercise all day

(01:39:03):
long to run the little spirits out. Get maximum amounts
of sunshine, but with sunscreen on. Please no screens at all,
because they need to be reading books from the age
of one, and they need to learn to manage their
emotions as soon as they can possibly identify the emotions,
like be reasonable to parents, be reasonable. We are already
doing everything that we can. We do not need to

(01:39:23):
flost our children's teeth. You absolute Nazis. Anyway, I don't
want to read that crap ever again and right send
that to those people. Send it to the tooth people
because they're ridiculous, ridiculous, carry on.

Speaker 11 (01:39:37):
Oh oh heah, we don't okay.

Speaker 8 (01:39:38):
Cool day and night vi VI Kid Cuddy to buy
us out tonight, Hardek to follow their hea Sorry as usual.
Kid Cuddy is going to be headlining Rhythm and Vines
Festival and gives been over the new year. The first
lineup announcement is out. It's going to be him, Turnstile Wilkinson,
O seven Oh, Shake, Canine, La b Marribou, Steak, Mark
revel At a Track.

Speaker 11 (01:39:57):
Quite a few big names on.

Speaker 2 (01:39:58):
There as well, you got any any feelings?

Speaker 12 (01:40:00):
And I have one feelings?

Speaker 6 (01:40:02):
Do you?

Speaker 2 (01:40:02):
What about you? German? You've got a feeling. I don't
have a feelings. I have no feelings at forty I
gave you who needs a floss? Right, So I'm going
to ask mom. I didn't floss until I was in
my thirties. I'm gonna that's not even gonna lie. I'm
gonna ask my mom if she flost me at six months.
I'm gonna come back to you on this tomorrow because
I'm not finished with these people, no see them by.

Speaker 1 (01:40:25):
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