August 27, 2025 • 8 mins
Tonight on The Huddle, lawyer and political commentator Liam Hehir and Jack Tame from ZB's Saturday Mornings and Q&A joined in on a discussion about the following issues of the day - and more!
The Government announced some new changes designed to get overseas retailers fast-tracked in a bid to boost competition in the grocery sector. Do we think these changes will make a difference?
Do we need to axe the Ministry for Women? With the gender pay gap dropping, what else could it really do?
Taylor Swift and Travis Kelce announced their engagement today - what do we make of Chris Luxon encouraging them to have the wedding here?
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
The Huddle with New Zealand Southby's International Realty.
Speaker 2 (00:03):
Find your one of a.
Speaker 1 (00:05):
Kind huddle happening. We have Liam Here, a lawyer and
political commentator, and Jack time host of Q and A
and Saturday Mornings High. Let's all right, Jack, do you
like the supermarket announcement?
Speaker 3 (00:16):
Ah? Yeah, yeah, Actually, look, I look, Look, I do
think it'll make a difference in the long run, A
little bit of a difference, not a massive one. I
don't think it's going to fundamentally change the cost of
living for any of us anytime soon. I do think
we have problems around the seating. I do think there's
an melon to the fast track legislations through useful so yep,
in the in the in the anals of time, I
(00:39):
can see this feasibly having some impact. I don't think
it's going to be transformational. I don't think that's what's
them promised. I think they still have a couple of
tools in their arsenalists they really want to go that far.
But yeah, I mean, we're not going to see any
massive change anytime soon, that's sure, Liam.
Speaker 2 (00:56):
Well, it might not be messa change anytime soon. But
I do actually think this is the right way to
do it, Like, there are multiple ways you can devene.
You can be as heavy handed as you like. You
can go and stand up your own government owned supermarket
that's only open until four in the afternoon, that's closed
on Sundays, or you can do what you can to
get out of the way in terms of stopping developments
(01:16):
from happening. And you know, I said, it's the market
orientended approach is to remove those various markets, to let
them be the loopholes that catalysm breathe through. Look, I
don't think like it doesn't It won't change things. Overnight
announcements don't lower the cost of living, But more competitives
can only be a good thing.
Speaker 1 (01:34):
Yeah, I agree, Jack. I think it's very tempting to
aim for something like the structural separation or whatever, you know,
the really big stuff. But that would freak the markets
and the investors out so badly that you might actually
deter investments. So surely the right thing to do is
actually just cut as much red tape as you can.
Speaker 3 (01:50):
Well, that is certainly the nuclear option, right, And I
suppose from the government's perspective, if they have a kind
of intermediate step, even if that intermediate step is closer
to the you know, perceptions of doing nothing end of
the scales, and the dramatic change that's breaking up the
view awfully might affect end of the scale, you know, I,
you know, I can understand why they're why they've taken
(02:12):
this option. I think that the thing is, if they
did go with a nuclear option, I don't think anyone
can say with certainty exactly what the results of that
decision would.
Speaker 2 (02:20):
Be, how long it would take exactly.
Speaker 3 (02:24):
So if there is an intermediate step, I think it's
pretty reasonable to consider that the prudent option.
Speaker 1 (02:30):
Liam, I love the idea of acting the ministry for women.
Speaker 2 (02:33):
How about you, well, to permit a man's plain to
your audience, I am also in favor of this one.
I think that if you ax of women, the impact
on the average New Zealand woman would be zero. Frankly,
no one's going to notice. And you know, it's not
to say that the ministry woman never does anything that's
(02:53):
not worthy or important to do, but it doesn't need
to be in its own standalone ministry with its own
chief executive. You know, all the infrastructure that comes to
having your own ministry. I mean, we said, most of
my business, we have eighteen employees, most of most of
the mail women and most of the up and comers
the woman. And it's not because of anything the military
woman has done. It's just because of the level playing
(03:14):
field like we have now, Talent comes out and you
know it's there's been a narrowing wage gap. That's nothing
to do with the milisitary woman. What the milistary woman
has done, I think is it has sort of forced
more gender balance on public sector boards and the management
level of the public sector. But those are pretty even now,
(03:37):
they're pretty fifty fifty. In fact, they probably lean a
little bit more on the on the on the hiring
women's side of things, and those games don't get a
raised from the bureaucracy. Once you say right, job done,
you can go home now.
Speaker 1 (03:50):
Too, right, Jack, I want your take on it. We'll
get it after the break the huddle with New Zealand
Southeby's International Realty the global leader and Luxury real Estate
back the whole Jack, Tame and Liam here gone? Then Jack,
would you scrap the Ministry for Women?
Speaker 3 (04:04):
I think if you asked a lot of New Zealanders,
what has the Ministry of women achieved at least in
recent years, most people would be scratching their heads. It's
not to say they haven't achieved anything, but I just
I don't think many people would be able to point
to really significant, tangible outcomes when it comes to when
it comes to the public sector board representation and CEOs.
I don't see why we would need a ministry in
(04:26):
order to advocate for some sort of we're going to story.
I'm going to stick this up.
Speaker 1 (04:32):
This This is an easy one. Because we all hate
the Ministry for Women, They do nothing. What about the
Ministry for Pacific People's Jack Well, I.
Speaker 3 (04:39):
Think there's I think there's a reasonable argument to be
made for at the very least some sort of consolidation
across the demographic ministries. Now, maybe maybe people will say
we need to go one step further and scrap them all.
But if in principle you agree that these ministries have
been doing some good work over time, and that maybe
we don't understand everything that they're achieved because we're not
(05:02):
following all of their outcomes with a fine tooth cone,
maybe you would say that a way that was a
little more fiscally prudent, that's still kind of ensured the
core functionality of some of these ministries would be to
consolidate them. Then it sounds to me like that's what
the commissions.
Speaker 1 (05:16):
Well Jack, with that sentence, you should go work in
the public service.
Speaker 3 (05:23):
I'll take all my learning from the show.
Speaker 1 (05:25):
Here, shut up. I did not write that promo and
they made me say that out loud on here, Hay
was Liam was the prime minister. Now it's not even
the Prime Minister was cringey, wasn't he when he invited
Taita and trav to come here?
Speaker 2 (05:40):
Yeah, I just think it's kind of beneath that the
office of the Prome Minister to do that.
Speaker 1 (05:44):
But do this Liam, and.
Speaker 2 (05:47):
In fairness, I also felt the same way about a
little of that John Key did, and he was he
was a great one set So I think, you know,
if John if John Key has use of Leaction's heroes,
and I guess it kind of makes sense that he's
doing it, it will never be as cringy as John
Kie going on David Lenniman, I don't have to say,
but it's you know, like it's it's not good for
(06:08):
the self esteem of the country for the Prime Minister
to say that and be ignored, you know, like it
makes us look quite desperate, I think, but you know whatever,
that's just me. Maybe other people aren't so curmudgeonally. Maybe
you doubt it.
Speaker 3 (06:22):
I just know that I'm going to have Wayne Brown
on the phone to me immediately after this if I
don't use this as an opportunity to challenge the Prime
Minister on a bid night text, which of course Wayne
Brown would say would be absolutely necessary if we ever
want to have Tailor's worth performing in our biggest city.
So there you go. Maybe maybe if the Prime Minister
really wants to see Kata and Travis here, you need
to make the policy change.
Speaker 1 (06:43):
I like that you shoehorned it in there for your mate, Wayne,
but at least you did you did declare your conflict there,
so I appreciate it.
Speaker 3 (06:49):
Jack.
Speaker 1 (06:49):
Do you go full fat or skinny?
Speaker 3 (06:51):
Full fat and and full sugars food? Well, my Athos's
food is like you don't get something for nothing sugar?
Speaker 1 (07:00):
You mean, like, I see what you mean. You don't
go there take sugar stuff?
Speaker 3 (07:05):
Yeah, yeah, you don't want to be having any of
the high fruit toes, worn turp or any of that stuff. No, no, no,
but absolutely full fat.
Speaker 1 (07:11):
With you, Liam.
Speaker 2 (07:13):
Yeah, I'm of the same mind, you know, like it's
are you're going to indulge, indulge you know, like it's.
Speaker 1 (07:19):
No, it's good for Liam, It's good for you. Your
body needs the fat.
Speaker 2 (07:23):
Yeah, okay, well there we go it Now I felt
even better about it, right, you know, like, so there
we go, there's no downside. Then it tastes and it
is better for you.
Speaker 1 (07:30):
But did you always know this, though, Liam, when they
were telling you to drink the green stuff, you always
knew it was just watered down full fat.
Speaker 2 (07:37):
Yeah, yeah, you know. And I'm a farm kid, and
so you know, like I said, it was always to me,
it was always, you know, the less process, the better.
But that's the thing is, even if whether it's good
for you or not, it's irrelevant to me. It's such
a marginal thing that you know, if you're going to
do something, do it equipment.
Speaker 1 (07:58):
Can we agree, though, Jack, Because like people hate on
the Trump administration so much that if there is one
good thing that they are doing is that they're actually
restoring some common sense to the way that we eat.
Speaker 3 (08:09):
Yeah. I think there's a lot to be said for
our Bobby Kennedy and some of some of his policies.
I mean, some of the stuff that he's eaten over
the years is a little bit weird. But yeah, I
think when it comes to having less processed food that
can only be a good thing, especially when you look
at some of the health outcomes in the US and
the life expectancy can be even a couple of decades ago. Yeah, absolutely,
I think, yeah, I absolutely support some of those notes.
Speaker 1 (08:32):
Brilliant stuff. Guys, you go and have a lovely evening.
The pair of you, Jack, Tame and Liam here are
huddle this evening. For more from Hither Duplessy Alan Drive,
listen live to news talks it'd be from four pm weekdays,
or follow the podcast on iHeartRadio.
The Huddle with New Zealand Southby's International Realty.
Speaker 2 (00:03):
Find your one of a.
Speaker 1 (00:05):
Kind huddle happening. We have Liam Here, a lawyer and
political commentator, and Jack time host of Q and A
and Saturday Mornings High. Let's all right, Jack, do you
like the supermarket announcement?
Speaker 3 (00:16):
Ah? Yeah, yeah, Actually, look, I look, Look, I do
think it'll make a difference in the long run, A
little bit of a difference, not a massive one. I
don't think it's going to fundamentally change the cost of
living for any of us anytime soon. I do think
we have problems around the seating. I do think there's
an melon to the fast track legislations through useful so yep,
in the in the in the anals of time, I
(00:39):
can see this feasibly having some impact. I don't think
it's going to be transformational. I don't think that's what's
them promised. I think they still have a couple of
tools in their arsenalists they really want to go that far.
But yeah, I mean, we're not going to see any
massive change anytime soon, that's sure, Liam.
Speaker 2 (00:56):
Well, it might not be messa change anytime soon. But
I do actually think this is the right way to
do it, Like, there are multiple ways you can devene.
You can be as heavy handed as you like. You
can go and stand up your own government owned supermarket
that's only open until four in the afternoon, that's closed
on Sundays, or you can do what you can to
get out of the way in terms of stopping developments
(01:16):
from happening. And you know, I said, it's the market
orientended approach is to remove those various markets, to let
them be the loopholes that catalysm breathe through. Look, I
don't think like it doesn't It won't change things. Overnight
announcements don't lower the cost of living, But more competitives
can only be a good thing.
Speaker 1 (01:34):
Yeah, I agree, Jack. I think it's very tempting to
aim for something like the structural separation or whatever, you know,
the really big stuff. But that would freak the markets
and the investors out so badly that you might actually
deter investments. So surely the right thing to do is
actually just cut as much red tape as you can.
Speaker 3 (01:50):
Well, that is certainly the nuclear option, right, And I
suppose from the government's perspective, if they have a kind
of intermediate step, even if that intermediate step is closer
to the you know, perceptions of doing nothing end of
the scales, and the dramatic change that's breaking up the
view awfully might affect end of the scale, you know, I,
you know, I can understand why they're why they've taken
(02:12):
this option. I think that the thing is, if they
did go with a nuclear option, I don't think anyone
can say with certainty exactly what the results of that
decision would.
Speaker 2 (02:20):
Be, how long it would take exactly.
Speaker 3 (02:24):
So if there is an intermediate step, I think it's
pretty reasonable to consider that the prudent option.
Speaker 1 (02:30):
Liam, I love the idea of acting the ministry for women.
Speaker 2 (02:33):
How about you, well, to permit a man's plain to
your audience, I am also in favor of this one.
I think that if you ax of women, the impact
on the average New Zealand woman would be zero. Frankly,
no one's going to notice. And you know, it's not
to say that the ministry woman never does anything that's
(02:53):
not worthy or important to do, but it doesn't need
to be in its own standalone ministry with its own
chief executive. You know, all the infrastructure that comes to
having your own ministry. I mean, we said, most of
my business, we have eighteen employees, most of most of
the mail women and most of the up and comers
the woman. And it's not because of anything the military
woman has done. It's just because of the level playing
(03:14):
field like we have now, Talent comes out and you
know it's there's been a narrowing wage gap. That's nothing
to do with the milisitary woman. What the milistary woman
has done, I think is it has sort of forced
more gender balance on public sector boards and the management
level of the public sector. But those are pretty even now,
(03:37):
they're pretty fifty fifty. In fact, they probably lean a
little bit more on the on the on the hiring
women's side of things, and those games don't get a
raised from the bureaucracy. Once you say right, job done,
you can go home now.
Speaker 1 (03:50):
Too, right, Jack, I want your take on it. We'll
get it after the break the huddle with New Zealand
Southeby's International Realty the global leader and Luxury real Estate
back the whole Jack, Tame and Liam here gone? Then Jack,
would you scrap the Ministry for Women?
Speaker 3 (04:04):
I think if you asked a lot of New Zealanders,
what has the Ministry of women achieved at least in
recent years, most people would be scratching their heads. It's
not to say they haven't achieved anything, but I just
I don't think many people would be able to point
to really significant, tangible outcomes when it comes to when
it comes to the public sector board representation and CEOs.
I don't see why we would need a ministry in
(04:26):
order to advocate for some sort of we're going to story.
I'm going to stick this up.
Speaker 1 (04:32):
This This is an easy one. Because we all hate
the Ministry for Women, They do nothing. What about the
Ministry for Pacific People's Jack Well, I.
Speaker 3 (04:39):
Think there's I think there's a reasonable argument to be
made for at the very least some sort of consolidation
across the demographic ministries. Now, maybe maybe people will say
we need to go one step further and scrap them all.
But if in principle you agree that these ministries have
been doing some good work over time, and that maybe
we don't understand everything that they're achieved because we're not
(05:02):
following all of their outcomes with a fine tooth cone,
maybe you would say that a way that was a
little more fiscally prudent, that's still kind of ensured the
core functionality of some of these ministries would be to
consolidate them. Then it sounds to me like that's what
the commissions.
Speaker 1 (05:16):
Well Jack, with that sentence, you should go work in
the public service.
Speaker 3 (05:23):
I'll take all my learning from the show.
Speaker 1 (05:25):
Here, shut up. I did not write that promo and
they made me say that out loud on here, Hay
was Liam was the prime minister. Now it's not even
the Prime Minister was cringey, wasn't he when he invited
Taita and trav to come here?
Speaker 2 (05:40):
Yeah, I just think it's kind of beneath that the
office of the Prome Minister to do that.
Speaker 1 (05:44):
But do this Liam, and.
Speaker 2 (05:47):
In fairness, I also felt the same way about a
little of that John Key did, and he was he
was a great one set So I think, you know,
if John if John Key has use of Leaction's heroes,
and I guess it kind of makes sense that he's
doing it, it will never be as cringy as John
Kie going on David Lenniman, I don't have to say,
but it's you know, like it's it's not good for
(06:08):
the self esteem of the country for the Prime Minister
to say that and be ignored, you know, like it
makes us look quite desperate, I think, but you know whatever,
that's just me. Maybe other people aren't so curmudgeonally. Maybe
you doubt it.
Speaker 3 (06:22):
I just know that I'm going to have Wayne Brown
on the phone to me immediately after this if I
don't use this as an opportunity to challenge the Prime
Minister on a bid night text, which of course Wayne
Brown would say would be absolutely necessary if we ever
want to have Tailor's worth performing in our biggest city.
So there you go. Maybe maybe if the Prime Minister
really wants to see Kata and Travis here, you need
to make the policy change.
Speaker 1 (06:43):
I like that you shoehorned it in there for your mate, Wayne,
but at least you did you did declare your conflict there,
so I appreciate it.
Speaker 3 (06:49):
Jack.
Speaker 1 (06:49):
Do you go full fat or skinny?
Speaker 3 (06:51):
Full fat and and full sugars food? Well, my Athos's
food is like you don't get something for nothing sugar?
Speaker 1 (07:00):
You mean, like, I see what you mean. You don't
go there take sugar stuff?
Speaker 3 (07:05):
Yeah, yeah, you don't want to be having any of
the high fruit toes, worn turp or any of that stuff. No, no, no,
but absolutely full fat.
Speaker 1 (07:11):
With you, Liam.
Speaker 2 (07:13):
Yeah, I'm of the same mind, you know, like it's
are you're going to indulge, indulge you know, like it's.
Speaker 1 (07:19):
No, it's good for Liam, It's good for you. Your
body needs the fat.
Speaker 2 (07:23):
Yeah, okay, well there we go it Now I felt
even better about it, right, you know, like, so there
we go, there's no downside. Then it tastes and it
is better for you.
Speaker 1 (07:30):
But did you always know this, though, Liam, when they
were telling you to drink the green stuff, you always
knew it was just watered down full fat.
Speaker 2 (07:37):
Yeah, yeah, you know. And I'm a farm kid, and
so you know, like I said, it was always to me,
it was always, you know, the less process, the better.
But that's the thing is, even if whether it's good
for you or not, it's irrelevant to me. It's such
a marginal thing that you know, if you're going to
do something, do it equipment.
Speaker 1 (07:58):
Can we agree, though, Jack, Because like people hate on
the Trump administration so much that if there is one
good thing that they are doing is that they're actually
restoring some common sense to the way that we eat.
Speaker 3 (08:09):
Yeah. I think there's a lot to be said for
our Bobby Kennedy and some of some of his policies.
I mean, some of the stuff that he's eaten over
the years is a little bit weird. But yeah, I
think when it comes to having less processed food that
can only be a good thing, especially when you look
at some of the health outcomes in the US and
the life expectancy can be even a couple of decades ago. Yeah, absolutely,
I think, yeah, I absolutely support some of those notes.
Speaker 1 (08:32):
Brilliant stuff. Guys, you go and have a lovely evening.
The pair of you, Jack, Tame and Liam here are
huddle this evening. For more from Hither Duplessy Alan Drive,
listen live to news talks it'd be from four pm weekdays,
or follow the podcast on iHeartRadio.
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