Full Show Podcast: 10 September 2025

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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Pressing the newsmakers to get the real story. It's Heather
duper Cy Ellen Drive with One New Zealand to coverage
like no one else.

Speaker 2 (00:10):
News Talks Heavy.

Speaker 3 (00:12):
Afternoon. Welcome to the show. Coming up today, police say
they're coming after the people who helped Tom Phillips hide
in the bush. Lance Badett will explain how they're going
to track them down. The FMA on the news that
nearly a third of us who use ke we Sava
are now not contributing. That's the highest ever. And Willie
Jackson on Tarkuter Ferris what Heather duper Cy Ellen Jelabor's
got a new problem, and that is Tarkuter Ferris. I

(00:34):
mean to be fair. Actually he was already a problem beforehand,
but he is now a much bigger problem after he
posted his bizarre eight minute rant at midnight. Now, you've
really got to see this video to believe how bizarre
it actually is. In the video, Ferris is sitting on
his couch in a hoodie in a darkened room filmed
in black and white, and he's just riffing. He's riffing

(00:55):
about Willie Jackson. He's riffing about the colonization hangover, affecting
the English land. He's riffing about how he wouldn't have
got in trouble if he posted his Instagram post in
Today or Mary instead of English. It's the kind of
rant that you think is clever after a couple of cones,
but then when you're sober, it's really not clever at all.
He calls David Seymour an idiot. He tells Willy Jackson

(01:17):
he doesn't give a crap about Willie Jackson telling him off,
and then he doubles down on his position that Indians,
Asians and black people shouldn't campaign in Mary electric seats.
Now you don't need me to tell you what a
huge problem this kind of unhinged late night video post
is for Labour's chances of reelection. I mean, just think
about how are hard working under the pump couple of

(01:41):
middle New Zealand parents are going to react to this here.
They are going to sleep early and waking up at
the cracker dawn to get the kids to school and
then get off to work for the day, while this
clown is sitting up to midnight making weird film noir
videos and being a racist and probably earning more than
they do from their tax contribution. No one who wants

(02:03):
this economy firing in this country fixed is going to
think that this main man is capable of doing anything serious.
He is a deeply unserious human being. Labour knows what
a big problem this is for them. That's why they've
already called the Maori Party to complain about it. The
Marti Party realizes what a big problem this is for them.
If their mates Labour can't drag them into government because
Takuta Feris are saying stupid stuff like this. That's why

(02:25):
they've already apologized for this stuff. But Takuta's not sorry,
And as long as he keeps posting this kind of
late night, red eyed nonsense, they will all looked ill,
disciplined and unserious.

Speaker 2 (02:37):
Heather do for see Allen.

Speaker 3 (02:40):
Nine two ninety two is the text number. Standard text
fees apply now. The government wants to turn the burden
of proof on its head when it comes to new
shoplifting fines. Suspects would have to prove their innocence rather
than be assumed innocent until proven guilty. The Justice Minister,
Paul Goldsmith wants to introduce a five hundred dollars infringement
fee doubling to one thousand dollars if the value of
the stolen goods is more. Steve Cullen is a criminal

(03:02):
lawyer and with us. Now, hi, Steve, hi here, how
do you feel about this?

Speaker 4 (03:07):
It's not as surprising as you might think. These are
common in what are called regulatory offenses that have happened
and occurred and applied for many a year. And that's
particularly in the situation of speeding, bio security. I think
traffic violations with people just get what are really infringement.
Notice is you can get off them by proving total

(03:29):
absence of fault. But it just makes perfect sense. We've
got a way that if not an epidemic or shoplifting occurring,
and this gives some protection to the public and some
incentive to people to perhaps consider what they're doing and
stop doing it.

Speaker 3 (03:42):
Okay, So do you think that, because of the circumstances
we find ourselves in, it's totally fine to flip the
innocent until proven guilty on its head.

Speaker 4 (03:51):
Well, it's not really flipping it in that sense. It's
what's called a strict liability offense. It's they've applied in
the law for a considerable period of time, it's simply
regulating people's behavior. You have a defense of saying no,
it's not true, for example, But also you have a
defense of saying I took all positive steps to avoid it.
And you can think of situations where child puts something

(04:14):
in the shopping basket or some stranger place, of some
product into your carriage, but an ordinary and it's going
to be very difficult for me to be alleged to
have been stealing things unless there is a serious foundation
for that allegation, all right, because I freaked.

Speaker 3 (04:30):
Out about it, because Steve, I reckon mum's You know,
new mums are quite vulnerable to this kind of thing
because first of all, to being busted for being accused
of not of having done it when we haven't. Because
first of all, we have the baby brain, so we're
likely to forget that we've come in with a bottle
of milk from the dairy down the road. But then
we've also got the means by which to transport it,

(04:50):
which is the pram. So if I walk in with
a bottle of milk at the bottom of the pram
and get accused of shoplifting, the accusation by itself is
not sufficient.

Speaker 4 (05:01):
Well, one would think you would make an explanation, and that's.

Speaker 3 (05:03):
The hostiatric mother. Yes, they're going to look at nonsense.
You've actually come in here with the PRAM to look it.

Speaker 4 (05:13):
Then what happens You don't look like somebody be going
into pench bottles of milk eaver, and I'm sure most
people don't. They're going to use some sort of discretion
to determine if there's a reasonable set of circumstances around
the situation too warrant finding that you've stolen.

Speaker 3 (05:28):
Will they not have to have some I mean I
was going to say, would they not have to have
some CCTV of you doing something?

Speaker 5 (05:34):
But presumably not exactly what.

Speaker 4 (05:36):
Yes, that crossed my mind. They're going to have video
surveillance in a lot of the shops. I don't think
Parliament's going to legislate to say you're in totally get
access to it in every circumstance, or it's just going
to be an inevitable delay when those people last yealing
are going to rely on that to some of they're
try and avoid responsibility.

Speaker 3 (05:52):
Okay, well listen, thank you, I appreciate your explanation on that, Steve.
It's maybe feel whole bunch better. Steve Cullen, criminal lawyer,
And look, I tend to think I don't love people
being accused of things without the proof. But then the
shoplifting is quite bad, isn't it. Heather riffing geez speak English?
How old do you think your audience is? What are

(06:12):
you talking about? What are you talking about? Riffing is
a word that's been around since the invention of the
electric guitar, Like Jimmy Hendrix was riffing on the electric guitar.
How old are you? I mean, when was Jimmy Hendrix around?
He's around in the nineteen sixties. Wasn't he so yet?
Not to appreciate that music, you would have had to
be at least born in their like I would say
anything before the fifties, you'd probably appreciated anything. So I

(06:34):
don't know how old are you If you don't know
what the word riffing is. I think I've arrest my case. Anyway,
I'm very sad about this news. WOMAD has been canceled
for next year now. WOMAD has been running since two
thousand and three, has run every single year. Maybe it
disrupted by COVID. I'm not really sure. I suspect even
then it was still going. But regardless, this is the

(06:56):
first time since two thousand and three that has been canceled.
The reason that they do it, they just saying it's
a pause. They're just taking an intentional break, they say
because of rising costs and what they are calling shifting
conditions impacting the industry. Now I don't know what that means,
but I am wondering if it means, you know, the
artists don't want to come here, because this is what
we're seeing increasingly right We're seeing Auckland is really missing

(07:17):
out on a lot of gigs. You find out today
Dunedin's got no major acts booked for next year and
so I'm just wondering if this is part of it.
I hope they are able to rescue it because if
you've been to Womad, you know it is a brilliant time,
great music, great vibe, family friendly, so it's just got everything.
But also just for the sake of Tartanaki, I want
it to be because this is an expera thought for

(07:39):
the people of Taranaki, but this is a region that's
really doing it tough. Not only did justin to cancel
the oil and gas which was their main industry there,
but then their main entertainment, which is WOMAD, is now
also gone.

Speaker 1 (07:50):
Quarter past four it's the Heather Topsy Alan Drive Full
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Speaker 3 (08:00):
By the way, I am going to update you, but
police have held a press conference today about the Tom
Phillips case and revealed a bunch more information. I'm going
to update you as we get some time throughout the show.
One of the I mean, this is a very minor
piece of update, but the operation to find Tom Phillips
is called Operation Curly, and I always hear their names
for the operations and think who came up with It's

(08:21):
just so benign for something so grim, isn't it.

Speaker 1 (08:24):
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Speaker 3 (08:31):
Darcy Watergravers with us Helo does hello here. They've got
the White Ferns team.

Speaker 6 (08:35):
Yeah, this is fantastic. It's been named World Cups coming up.
Starts at the start of October and their first game
is up against Australia on the same day that the
black Caps first game up against the Australia their twenty
series is on, so you can get to watch that
game and then you just turn the channel over and
then you get to watch the Ferns play brilliant, play
right the way through, the White Ferns play right the

(08:56):
way through and see how they go. Four players have
been dropped, but that means four new players have come
into the side. Are for debutants in there, which is
great news for them. And we'll be joined tonight on
nearby Lea to who who's also been selected. This will
be her fourth World Cup. I think that's impressive. Susy
Bates and Captain Sapey Devine are hitting number five. The

(09:20):
criticism always around the Ferns is what they are not
building enough depth that over the last few years under
Ben Sawyer the coach, they've started bringing a lot of
young new players through, so they've got a lovely max
off that the veterans, which I think is still a
polite thing to say, isn't it. You got the mid
rangers and then you've got a lot of the youth,
so it's looking good and of course they can't hide

(09:42):
anymore because of what they did at the T twenty
World Cup. Different format, different game, but everyone.

Speaker 7 (09:47):
Been looking over their shoulder, going oh on.

Speaker 6 (09:51):
And I remember talking to Leah Back and I want
to say twenty twenty two when she was not offered
a central contract, and same with her wife Amy Sattathwaite.
I'm sure if I'm married at that stage. But I
got them both on here in a couple of days
of each other talking about it and talk.

Speaker 7 (10:08):
About thinly veiled rage.

Speaker 6 (10:11):
Leo was not happy at all.

Speaker 2 (10:14):
Yeah.

Speaker 6 (10:14):
I said, look, can we come on here and talk
about it? And she goes, yeah, sure, I talk about
it with you dance and I was like, this is fantastic.
So got her on air and there was no grayor
about what she thought. She's like, I deserve to be
this team. I'm a very good cricket player. I've been
here for a long time. No one takes my contract.
Watch this, hold my beer. She went away. She played

(10:34):
fantastic domestic trick it she smashed her way back into
the team again, and here she is going off to
a fourth World Cup.

Speaker 7 (10:40):
I mean, I'm sorry, how good does this.

Speaker 2 (10:42):
Explain to me?

Speaker 3 (10:43):
How you have a knitballer who then switches to rugby.

Speaker 6 (10:46):
Paris lot do it? She's got a history because the
old man played for Tonga. I believe in rugby. The
brother debuted last week in for Wellington and the MPC.
So she's been to aong with the Whitney Hansen. Steve
Hansen says, Steve Hansen's Daughter's been coaching macato in the
Opicky competition. Thinking she's been down there in christ Church.

(11:09):
You played for the Tactics. They won a title. But
she's got something gnawing away there and she wants to
play rugby. She goes, yeah, all right, I don't want
to do this. I mean, that's all about netble's getting
more and more physical. It couldn't get much more physical than.

Speaker 3 (11:22):
Ruddy unlikely thing. I mean, like, I think we're used
to the idea that rugby players switched to rugby league,
and even in a weird way, we used to kind
of the dual internationals with cricket and rugby. But the
idea of netball and rugby is just an unusual combo.

Speaker 6 (11:34):
Isn't it brilliant athlete And that's what it all comes
down to, isn't it a brilliant athlete, huge aerobic capacity,
the ability to compete at the top level, So good
luck getting tackled hard out in practice. But I suggest
that she did play back in her high school days,
so it's not completely foreign to her. It's cool and
you make good sense. It's normally a different way of

(11:57):
doing it as opposed to this, but I applaud it fantasmic.

Speaker 3 (12:00):
Right dars, thank you for that. Darcy watergrave Lere on
the show tonight back at seven with Sports Talk four
twenty two.

Speaker 1 (12:07):
On your smart speaker, on the iHeart app, and in
your car on your drive home, it's Heather Duplacy Ellen
Drive with one New Zealand and the power of satellite
mobile news talks.

Speaker 3 (12:18):
That'd be Heather, wasn't Lewisa wall netball and rugby? Yes, yes,
that was me. That wasn't like a dramatic pause. I
was actually thinking about that. That's how long the thinking takes.
Porsha Woodman Wickliffe. Heather went from netball to rugby and
played for the Mystics. Thank you, Bonnie, Bonnie is Bonnie
regularly listens and regularly texts about sports. She knows a

(12:39):
lot about sports. Actually, So there you go. It wasn't
that unusual after all. Four twenty five. Now here's Takuter
Ferris's video right, you can't see how bizarre it is,
but you can because you've really got to appreciate the
I hot boxed my room and am talking vibe in it.
Go and have a look at it does feel like
Snoop Dogg after a concert, do you know what I mean?
Trying to be intellectual. It's got that vibe about it. Anyway,

(13:02):
Here you can still listen to the words and kind
of appreciate it. Here he is doubling down on the
fact that Indian and Black and Asian and PARKI how
people should not be able to campaign in the Mari
electric seats.

Speaker 8 (13:12):
Straight up yout ewie, that should be unacceptable to us. Okay,
and I'm will.

Speaker 3 (13:17):
Tell you why, he reckons. Oh, then he tells us
why I'm not playing it to you because it's boring,
because again it does sound like too many cones with smoke,
so it's not that interesting anyway, he reckons. He would
have been fine if he'd said what he said, not
in English, but in Mary.

Speaker 8 (13:32):
The English language struggles to identify other Ewi people's racist,
and the reason that they don't like it is because
there's a lot of colonial violence attached to it.

Speaker 3 (13:47):
Yeah, that's right, and also just for the you know,
just for the avoidance of doubt, Maori people are more
special than other people.

Speaker 8 (13:54):
Parker House at the time and currently know that Mary's
have unique rights as opposed to everyone else.

Speaker 3 (14:02):
Yeah, you know that. And he's not sorry for using
the words that he used in English because English speakers
should be made uncomfortable.

Speaker 8 (14:09):
Make them uncomfortable. Finally, it's not our problem to fix,
it's their.

Speaker 3 (14:13):
Yeah, anyway, So what Tarkouter fails because I mean, as
you can hear, it's not that he's not Einstein, is he.
What he fails to understand is he didn't get in
trouble for using the words. He got in trouble for
what he said, not how he said it, in the
words that he used to say it, but what he meant,
which is that if you're any of these other ethnics
that he's, you're not allowed. That's what he got in
trouble for. But he can't quite understand it.

Speaker 2 (14:35):
I'd Heather do for see Alan the.

Speaker 3 (14:37):
Way on the documentary that we spoke about on the
show yesterday and which I saw this morning. I was
very happy to see had got a fair amount of
coverage and a lot more people have piled into this
and said this documentary that the police are allowed to
be made about the Phillips family should not be made.
The family, as in the mother and the Wider family

(14:59):
have have spoken out about it and they do not
support it. The mother says, I made it absolutely clear
when I was informed that I do not support, endorse,
consent to this production. We wish to state unequivocally we
do not support nor do we consent to this documentary.
Another family member said, at this worst of times, the
children's privacy must be protected. They should not be filmed,
no footage of them should be published, and their ordeal

(15:21):
and recovery should not be used for entertainment. Not that
I necessarily, and I've got to say this, not that
I necessarily put a lot of stock in what the
Wider family may be saying about this, because their role
in all of this is yet to be made clear.
But you know, just to bring that to your attention,
it turns out that the documentary crew have been following

(15:41):
the police for most of this year. Now maybe at
some stage the relevance of them following this year, well,
that may become relevant potentially in the future, and if
it does, we will talk about it. News is next.

Speaker 1 (16:06):
Cutting through the noise to get the facts. It's Heather
duf Clan Drive with one New Zealand coverage like no
one else news talks.

Speaker 2 (16:14):
They'd be.

Speaker 9 (16:17):
Day runs by Olivan Kursley is standing by out of
the US for US and Barry Sopa will be with
us in ten minutes time.

Speaker 3 (16:27):
A little bit of mixed news on ki we Saver today.
The good news is that the total funds that we
have under management and KEII Saver has gone up by
ten percent, so it's now one hundred and twenty three
billion dollars sitting there. The bad news is that there
are quite a few people now not putting any contributions in.
Thirty percent of members so already have a key we
Saver account. Thirty percent of people who have KEII Saver

(16:49):
accounts who are of working age under sixty five are
not putting any money in now. That is up from
twenty percent in twenty ten. It is the highest that
we've ever the highest number ever recorded. We're gonna have
a chat to them about that. I mean it's pretty obvious,
right that'll be cost of living related. People just don't
have the money. If you don't have the money to
buy food. You absolutely don't have the money to be
saving for your retirement. But we'll just get the lowdown

(17:09):
from them when they're with us after five. It's twenty
three away from five.

Speaker 2 (17:13):
It's the world wires on news talks, they'd be drive.

Speaker 3 (17:17):
Tamas says its leadership team survived the Israeli attack on
Qatar's capital, Doha. Trump's criticized the strike, saying they do
not advance Israel or America's goals and he's not thrilled.

Speaker 10 (17:27):
I'm not thrilled about the whole situations. Not a good situation.
But I will say this, we want the hostages back,
but we are not thrilled about the way that went down.

Speaker 3 (17:38):
Nepaul's prime minister has resigned after twenty two people died
in anti corruption protests. Gen Z protesters took to the
streets after a ban on social media, and it turned
ugly when police opened fire. Now the parliament building, Congress,
party headquarters, and home of the former prime minister were
all set on fire by the protesters, and the social
media ban has since been uplifted. Has since been lifted,
but the demonstrations continue and this protester explains his attendance.

Speaker 11 (18:02):
You a ten z We need a sense, but this
government has attack our conclude with a lead more than
thirty years there, captain, I'm a you.

Speaker 2 (18:10):
There are the class. I'm getting the employment.

Speaker 12 (18:12):
This is a parliament.

Speaker 3 (18:13):
This make the rules, but the killer I've forgotten, like
you know head. And finally, Koala's rejoice.

Speaker 9 (18:21):
Did you know that?

Speaker 3 (18:21):
That's that's what it sounds like when a koala screams.
Herdier say, it's worse than a four monthought. Australia has
approved a vaccine to save koalas from chlamydia. It's a
world first. It comes after more than a decade of research.
Up to seventy percent of koalas are infected, so it's
hope this will bring them back from the endangered list
and they're just looking for some major funding to make

(18:43):
the chlamydia go away.

Speaker 1 (18:45):
International correspondence with Ends and Eye Insurance, Peace of Mind
for New Zealand Business.

Speaker 3 (18:51):
Jonathan Kursley, US correspondence with US.

Speaker 5 (18:53):
Hey, Jonathan, Hey, they're always constructing listeners now.

Speaker 3 (18:58):
But cheeky of Russia to be flying the drones Poland.

Speaker 5 (19:01):
Yeah, a little bit cheeky for them, particularly after this
summit with Donald Trump a matter of a week, a
few weeks or so ago. Look, yes, we're seeing reports
of Russian drones Rainian drones foined by Russia into Poland airspace.
It sparked a lot of reaction from NATO nations. We
saw fighter jets scrambled, Poland airports closed. Still some sort

(19:24):
of investigation as to whether these actually are Russian drones
going into Poland airspace. It would be incredibly serious. You've
got to keep in mind Article five of NATA that
says essentially an attack on one is an attack on all.
So this is going to be very much to wash
this space. What is Russia's explanation for these drones going
into Poland airspace? What is the response? What is the

(19:45):
reason behind sending in NATO fighter jets essentially to try
and scramble into the airspace. It's very much a fraught situation,
given the conflict in Ukraine, given the meeting we saw
with Donald Trump and vladimim Putin. But we keep saying
the US pre has given Russian President Vladimir Putin time
and time and time and time again to try and
resolve this conflict. He showed no intention of doing so,

(20:08):
and yet again we're seeing another move. Is this being
brought with danger? Is this a move to try and
test NATO. We're going to see a reaction, likely out
of Moscow on the coming out.

Speaker 3 (20:16):
Well, I just you know, I can't help but shake
the fear.

Speaker 2 (20:18):
I can't.

Speaker 3 (20:19):
I can't shake the feeling that Putin is taunting Trump
because he since the meeting in Alaska, there has been
no indication that Putin intends to meet with Zelensky, And
if anything, he's kind of pushing the line again, isn't he.

Speaker 5 (20:32):
Well, he's very much pushing the line. I mean, you
look at the offer he made to voladimirs Zelenski which
has come to Moscow, which is essentially, if you like,
that's some sort of suicide mission for the Ukrainian president.
The idea that he would go into Moscow to the
talks with Fladimir Putin, he's just completely.

Speaker 2 (20:46):
Off the cards.

Speaker 5 (20:47):
It's just not going to happen. So the offer he's
put on the table is not viable. And now we're
seeing the possibility he's taunting nater nations with this idea
of sending drones and pushing that boundary once again. So
what is the response going to be. I mean, we
send the US President out at dinner tonight in Washington, DC,
essentially trying to say he's making Washington DC streets save
enough to go and eat dinner there. I've been there

(21:09):
in months gone by, and certainly it's been safe to
go out and eat dinner. There's been no idea that
you can't go into a restaurant. There's been no idea
you can't go and have a meal with friends. But
the US President is certainly trying to make his stance
that he is making Americans safer. But his idea of
solving the Russian ukrank conflict certainly seems well a long

(21:30):
way away from what he initially thought.

Speaker 3 (21:32):
Anyway, Now, did the White House warn Katat or not?

Speaker 5 (21:36):
Well, you're essentially getting washed in mixed messaging here. I mean,
what the White House said earlier on today was that
the White House had received intelligence from its military officials
that Israel was launching this strike into Katara. What we
heard from White House Press sector of Caroline Leavit was
that Steve Witcoff, the Middle East end boy, had gone
to Cutter and essentially said, hey, look, this attack is

(21:58):
in coming Kata came back within a matter of an
hour or so and said, well, I actually know what
we got was a warning as the strikes were already happening.
And Donald Trump later clarified that, essentially saying that yes, look,
we tried to inform them. It was a little bit
too late, but we did what we could, is essentially
what he said. He has added that he will have

(22:19):
more to say in the coming day or so about
these Israeli strikes inside doa an attack that has been
condemned by the United Kingdom, by France, by Arab nations
in the Middle East. Australia has raised its concerns. We've
heard in the past that the New Zealand Prime Minister
has said, essentially that Israeli Prome Minister Benamin Enya, who

(22:43):
has lost the plot. Was the words a couple of
weeks ago from New Zealand's Prime minister. So look, there
are certainly many eyes watching this and watching the Israeli attack.
And Donald Trump says he is not happy by that.
We heard that in the SoundBite you played before. He
is not pleased with the way that this has gone
over the course of the last twenty four hours. But
again what you're dealing with is with this international conflict

(23:06):
on which with this US president is an idea of
watch this space. But it is a matter of how
long can the world continue to watch this space? Because
these are conflicts that he has said he could resolve
and could resolve quickly, and he hasn't been able to
do so yet.

Speaker 3 (23:19):
Yeah, very good point. Hey, thank you very much, Jonathan.
As always, Jonathan Kursley, US correspondence Away from five here
the how did the cooalers get chlamydia? Can I actually
answer that question for you. I've got a lot of
clamita facts for you. Actually, the koala's got chlamydia because
the sheep had chlamydia. And when the Australians first came
over and invaded as out what was our friends Lydia

(23:43):
Thorpe said the other day or colonized as Tacota Ferris
would prefer to call it. But when they came over,
they brought their sheep, and jeez, the sheep. The sheep
gave it to the I'm not even joking, the sheep
gave it to the koala. Also the penguins, from I understand,
penguins also have a lot of chlamydia, and they get
the klymydia in a different way. They get the chlamydia

(24:04):
because the birds have the chlamydia and then the birds
pope and the pope lands on the penguins and that's
how they get the chlamydia. So probably just want to
watch just what watches that don't go near the animals,
stay away if you possibly can. Hey, there was a
bunch of stuff that was found in the by the way.
I don't know if you're aware of this. I need
to update you on this quick. Smart you do realize

(24:24):
there's a second campsite, the Tom Phillips campsite that has
been been revealed today and photographs and stuff like that.
Bunch of stuff there and this is important. So I'm
going to run you through this before the end of
this hour actually, so you can be aware of everything
that's going on in that campsite. It's grim, it's dirty,
it's dark, it's small, it's grim. And Lance Budette, police negotiator,

(24:46):
former police negotiator, will talk to us. Took us through
where the operation is going to go next in terms
of tracking down the people who helped Tom do that.
After five sixteen away.

Speaker 1 (24:53):
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Speaker 3 (24:58):
Right, I'll run you through what the cops found at
the second Tom Phillips camp shortly right now, thirteen away
from five. Barry Sober, Senior Political Correspondence with US High Barry.

Speaker 7 (25:05):
Good afternoon, Heather.

Speaker 3 (25:06):
Watch the Tarcouter Ferris midnight eight minute video.

Speaker 7 (25:09):
Oh I did watch it. It was rather painful and
rather infuriating, I might say, Heather, But you've got to
remember that during his maiden speech, this guy after the
last election, he said that there was he wasn't there
to service the needs of the New Zealand House of Representatives.
He was there to contest the needs. So you know,

(25:33):
I mean, he's he's always been radical. Was not out
about that. And you remember he was accused of lying
in the house, and indeed he did lie in the
house and he was asked to formally apologize for that.
So Ferrett Ferris in his sorry that was a fraudient slip.
Ferris and his late night ran on Instagram from as

(25:53):
you said, Heather, a darkened room wearing a hoodie. Had
to go Willie Jackson for taking issue with him over
is horror different ethnicities campaigning for Labor than a Mildy seat.

Speaker 9 (26:05):
Here he is.

Speaker 8 (26:05):
I heard Willie Jackson in the news talking about how
just unacceptable that was from Targe turn should know better.
You know, we care about everyone in the Labor Party.
Well guess what, Willy, I don't give a crap who
you care about or what you care about in the
Malory seats. It's about the Malory people, Milordy only. And
here's what that post is doing. It's homogenizing Mildi as

(26:29):
a minority.

Speaker 2 (26:30):
All right.

Speaker 8 (26:31):
So they're trying to make us vanish. They're trying to
make us disappear into just a small minority in our
own country, whilst we fight for the damn seats that
are there for us, expressly for us. And they're there
for us because the Parker House at the time and
currently know that Mildis have unique rights as opposed to
everyone else. Make them uncomfortable, funny, it's not our problem

(26:53):
to fix.

Speaker 7 (26:54):
It's this Well, he sounded rather comfortable. I'll say that
he sounded very laid back, and it augues really well,
doesn't it? For a coalition between Labor and the Moldy Party.
I mean, as I've often said, this Maldy party very
unlike the one that was originally formed, very unlike it.

(27:15):
There are a bunch of protesters and that Instagram rent
there I think underscores that.

Speaker 5 (27:23):
Yep.

Speaker 3 (27:23):
Okay, Now, what did you make of the police press
conference about the second camp?

Speaker 7 (27:27):
Well, you know the second camp. It's that's where the
other children were found. Of course there's about two kilometers
away from where the shooting occurred. And you'll be weare
because you've listened to it all. The Police Minister and
the Police Commissioner have always said how delicate the situation was,
and certainly that was the case that was born out

(27:50):
by what detective Senior Sergeant Andrew Saunders, he is the
head of the operation who released the campsite pect today.
What he said, in my mind tells us a lot,
a lot. They didn't walk straight into the camp where
the children were. Yeah, so there was there was a
negotiation that connects with the children and that proceeded and

(28:14):
they came out.

Speaker 2 (28:15):
We believe they've moved here a number of months ago.
I can't be specific around timing.

Speaker 7 (28:21):
See, it just makes you wonder, doesn't it, how those
kids were conditioned by Tom Phillips that if the police
were clearly worried about walking into that campsite knowing there
are only children there, but knowing that there were firearms there,
just makes you wonder.

Speaker 3 (28:39):
Well, I mean, yeah, I think it was pretty clear
that how they were conditioned by their far pretty clear
that they would have been taught how to use guns
and told. What happened in Parliament.

Speaker 7 (28:47):
Today, oh well, it was a bit of a laugh
because old our old mate Shane Jones was raving about
the new geothermal area that they've set aside in the
Rota Kawa geo Thermal Reserve near Telper and that would
have to be good news, but it seemed to be
lost lost on Labour's Energy spokeswoman Megan Woods. You didn't

(29:10):
like the way Shane Jones referred to it.

Speaker 3 (29:12):
The minister referred to us the opposition spokesman, and I
know definitions like this are important to that party. Just
like to point out on a spokesperson or a spokeswoman.

Speaker 8 (29:24):
I'm almost almost tempted to require every one of the
House to post their pronoun so everyone gets it right.

Speaker 13 (29:32):
Ronns are like them.

Speaker 7 (29:34):
But I'm not going to do that.

Speaker 3 (29:36):
I'm not going to do that because common sense should prevail.

Speaker 14 (29:39):
New Zealand in some cases will never ever recover from
the most destructive energy decision made since the Treaty of
White Tonguy, otherwise known as the Oil and gaspan that
you signaling juvenile attempt.

Speaker 7 (29:52):
Yes, and just for your information, and you will remember
that Benjamin Doyle he gives his valedictory on September the eighteenth.

Speaker 13 (29:59):
So what is that to do with it?

Speaker 4 (30:00):
Yeah?

Speaker 7 (30:01):
Pronouns all right by them, and you'll.

Speaker 4 (30:05):
Grasp on them as well.

Speaker 3 (30:06):
Barry, thanks very much. Barry Sober, senior political correspondent, eight
away from five.

Speaker 2 (30:11):
Putting the tough question to the newspeakers, the mic asking.

Speaker 12 (30:14):
Breakfast interesting inside into who's leaving school and potentially why.
Last year we had thirteen hundred and seventy six fifteen
year olds being granted a nearly exemption upsiders. Most of
them seem to continue when studying places like politics now
any England is the Downfield high school principle.

Speaker 15 (30:28):
Statistically, if the longer students stays in school, the best
outcomes for them. But of course thats are stats and
not every student fits that mole. So school has been
working really hard on working England politics the Ministry runs
a yes GMT program and it's a really good program.
Students can spend one or two days a week in
a polytech and they can blend it in with a schoolwork.
Sometimes they want to go and do that full time
and they want to do that before this is sixteen.
So in those cases we would seek earlier.

Speaker 12 (30:49):
Leave exemption back Tomorrow at six am the Mic Hosking
Breakfast with Rain Drover Newstalk ZIB.

Speaker 3 (30:55):
Hither it would be good if the police did not
hunt down the people who helped Tom Phillips. They were
helping to fit the kids. They probably could not persuade
him to give up. Well, I don't think I'm as
sympathetic as you are. Deal with that later on four
Away from five Listen News just out. Dame Nolean Totu
has been stood down as the Silver Ferns coach. Netbull
New Zealand just put out a statement confirming that she

(31:16):
will not be the coach for the upcoming Tiny Jamison
Series against South Africa. Discussions are ongoing between Netball New Zealand,
Nolean and the Silver Ferns management team concerning proposed changes.
There is another report that says the problem is it
is her quote old school approach. Jeez, Honestly, I don't

(31:37):
know what to say about this. I love the old
school approach personally. Look, I don't have time now as
a result of that, to talk you through what was
found in the second camp. I'm going to I'm going
to this is the second camp. Just to give you
a little bit of context here. So the first camp,
the one that we saw yesterday, was found two k's
from the shooting. The second camp is two hundred meters

(31:58):
deeper into the bush. Now one hundred meters doesn't sound
to you like a lot, right because because you know
with out in urban spaces, it's not a lot. But
in bush land, that's a that's a like that's quite
quite a distance, do you know what I mean? Because
you know you're not you can't see one to the
other stents and stuff like that. Anyway, I'll run you
through all of the details everything that was found. They
were going to talk to Lance Boudette next about how

(32:21):
the items in that camp are going to be used
to track down the people who help Tom Phillips. And
then also let's deal with the key we save with
the fm A newstalg ZBA.

Speaker 1 (32:43):
The only drive show you can try to ask the questions,
get the answers, find and give the analysis. Here the
duplicy Ellen Drive with One New Zealand and the power
of satellite mobile news dogs.

Speaker 3 (32:57):
B afternoon police have discovered a second campsite in the
bush where Tom Phillips and his kids are thought to
have been hiding most recently. This camp site is two
hundred meters away from the one that was discovered yesterday.
Detective Senior Sergeant Andrew Saunders says they will use the
gear at that site to track down whoever it was
who was helping Phillips.

Speaker 2 (33:15):
Given what's occurred in terms of.

Speaker 16 (33:19):
The attempted murder of a police officer, we think it's
absolutely important that we continue to look for those people
that have been supporting Tom Phillips and help them account
of it.

Speaker 3 (33:29):
Lance Petet is a former police negotiator and investigator and
with us, Hey Lance, Hi, So are they basically going
to look at the gear that's at the campsite and
then track the origins in order to try and find
these people.

Speaker 2 (33:41):
Yeah.

Speaker 17 (33:42):
So everything that sits that both locations now is evidence,
every piece of little item with no matter what it is,
and it gets photographed and sit you measured. They might
be doing some mapping with three D mapping cameras, and
then it's removed and analyzed and it's fingerprinted. I say, yeah,
this finger print, it's photographed. It's everything that they can

(34:04):
do to find out DNA testing on every item, to
track down who may have been involved.

Speaker 3 (34:10):
They say that it's quite obvious to them that there
was recent help. Now how would they know that? Would
it potentially be things like perishable food there?

Speaker 17 (34:19):
Yeah, there'll there'll be something there that that if they're
coming out and saying it, which is a bit unusual,
I think, just please normally keep this stuff close to
their chest. And it might be because you know, Tom's
dead and can't face consequences, but there'll still be other
people to face consequences, so there'll be something obvious for

(34:39):
them to come out and say that.

Speaker 3 (34:41):
Is there anything that you noticed from the photographs?

Speaker 17 (34:46):
Well, my first thought looking at that one photograph that
everybody else has seen, is it looks like they've been
there for.

Speaker 9 (34:52):
A little while.

Speaker 18 (34:54):
How hard you know?

Speaker 17 (34:55):
I we'll look at months, you know, two, three, four,
five months, So that's what like to me, they've been
there for a while, just the way that the bush
of grunt has grown over the three wheels, the few
little things ever thought, well, that looks looks quite substantial.

Speaker 3 (35:10):
Why would you have a camp, I mean, this is
a puzzling thing. Why would you have one camp, like
a little camp within two hundred meters of a bigger camp.

Speaker 17 (35:17):
Oh that's a yeah, to escape too.

Speaker 3 (35:20):
Ah, okay, and that's enough escape.

Speaker 17 (35:24):
No, But indeed this bush it probably is. But it
can also you know, it could be a place to
what they called a place of sanctuary. Somebody does come,
they just scatter and they all meet back and they're
having too that that would be my thoughts on that.
But bearing in mind they young kids, and so you
can't have it too far away from other because they've
got to be able to find it.

Speaker 8 (35:44):
That would be my.

Speaker 19 (35:45):
Thought on that.

Speaker 3 (35:47):
Is it possible that the I mean, as far as
we understand, the family have not yet been able to
see the children. This is the grandparents and the mother
and so on. Is it possible that they are being
kept away from the children at the moment because they
themselves may be suspects in terms of help?

Speaker 13 (36:01):
Well?

Speaker 17 (36:01):
Everyone, every yeah, good point here. That's sorry to interrupt you. Yeah,
it's everyone to suspect. Everyone that's been in the town,
everyone that's been near them, all associates.

Speaker 9 (36:10):
So they don't call them.

Speaker 17 (36:11):
Suspects, they call them persons of interest.

Speaker 9 (36:13):
And so you do have to treat everybody.

Speaker 17 (36:16):
You can't take it on face, are you You know
I've spoken with both parents. My gut feeling if you
can go with a gut, which is which you don't
go with of all of some policing. Never go with
your gut that they aren't involved. And it was just
something that the father said and it was confidential that
made me believe that he's not involved in any way.

Speaker 19 (36:37):
But in saying that.

Speaker 17 (36:40):
We've all been doing before.

Speaker 3 (36:42):
Yeah, fair enough. Hey, Lance, really appreciate your expertise. Thanks Lance,
but that former police negotiator and investigator. I'll run you
through what you can see in the photographs in a minute.
It's eleven past.

Speaker 2 (36:50):
Five, ever, do for ce Ellen.

Speaker 3 (36:52):
The number of people contributing to Kiwi Saver has declined
for the first time this year. Thirty percent of working
age key We Saver members are now not putting money
in now. That was only twenty percent fifteen years ago.
Samantha Barriss is the chief executive of the Financial Markets Authority. Hey, Samantha,
Hi Heather. That seems to me like that would be
directly linked to the cost of living problem that we
have at the moment. Do you think it is.

Speaker 20 (37:15):
It's certainly a very strong contributing factor. There are three
reasons why people aren't contributing even though they are of
working age. The first is one that's enduring, which is
those who take time out for parenting duties to be
with their children. But the other two are related to
the economic times. The first is they're unemployed, which increases

(37:36):
in difficult economic times, and the second is saving suspensions
when kiwis who are under in difficult circumstances are needing
to make choices between do they contribute to keysaver? Do
they put food on the table, do they pay their mortgage?
Do they get the car fixed? So, though you know
other other reasons so directly related to the difficult economic times.

Speaker 3 (38:00):
Once people opt out, though, do they do they even
necessarily come back in.

Speaker 20 (38:07):
The challenge And this is something that the KII Saver
providers need to really lean into, but we all need
to lean into it as well. Is to go back
to those who have suspended their contributions on a regular
basis and encourage them, encourage them to increase the contributions

(38:29):
that they are or to kind of go back in
and start contributing again. And that is that that's a
very important flex point. So yes, Kiwi savor has been
built to withstand the longer term ups and downs in
the economic cycle. The critical point is that you're coming
out of a down cycle to be communicating really regularly

(38:49):
with your members to encourage them to come back into
it again.

Speaker 3 (38:53):
Samantha, thank you so much, Samantha Barris, Chief Executive of
the FMA. Here the do for c Ellen here, the
nible New zeal has just blown it by standing Toto down.
She makes her players accountable, which is exactly what netball needs.
We're going to speak to the chair of Netball New
Zealand very soon, so stand by for that just quickly.
On the second campsite, so what you can see in
the photographs is the kitchen area. In the kitchen area

(39:14):
there's a camping stove, a gas cylinder. They both sit
under a bench that's made from large black carried cases.
On their side bottles of iced coffee and a jack
Daniel's box with a silver mug are lying around. Then
around the area there are rolls of chicken wire, sheets
of metal, might a tend buckets, jars filled with screws
and nails, scattered bits of plastic and stuff. The frame

(39:36):
of the kitchen area is made with straight branches that
have been one is standing up bright ones lying horizontally
on the top, tied together with rope. Then you've got
a black tarp over the top. Some of the chicken
wire has also been used as part of the roof.
The roof is really cleverly camoulaged because it's got dense
trees all around it, basically making it invisible. You can
see a distance shot from the hut that there is

(39:58):
more to it than just the kitchen area. It goes
in an L, so the kitchen area is the bottom
of the L and then the long bit of the L.
That's another part of the living area altogether, which is
it's roofed with like a green army kind of canvassy
type vibe. Do you know what I mean? No photographs
from inside that that would suggest to me it's the
sleeping quarters. They haven't released anything of what you're seeing

(40:21):
in their quarter past five. By the way, just on
the Takuter Ferris eight minute middle of the night bizarre video,
Willie Jackson of the Labor Party is going to be
with us after half past five. Right now, it's eighteen
past five.

Speaker 5 (40:33):
Now.

Speaker 3 (40:34):
Silver Fern's coach, Nolane Toto has been stood down from
her job for the upcoming Tiny Jamison series against South Africa.
Has just come through in the last half hour. Matt
Winnare Matt Winner Ray is Netball New Zealand's chair and
is with us.

Speaker 2 (40:46):
Hey, Matt, hi here, how are you well?

Speaker 3 (40:49):
Thanks mate? Now, you guys have said that you are
unable to resolve some issues in time for the series.
What were these issues?

Speaker 19 (40:55):
Yeah, so we just have been talking with the management
team and Dame nlv's for a little while about some
issues in the high performance program and environment. We're looking
to resolve those to make that as good as it
can be. We haven't been able to. We weren't able
to get there before the Tiny Jamerson series, which is
why we've put on these interim measures. And we've got

(41:16):
a bit and Leanna Lioda and there as assistant coach
or just for the next for the next series. Against
South Africa.

Speaker 3 (41:24):
Right, there are reports that it is because of a
player boycott. Is that correct? No, no player boycott.

Speaker 20 (41:32):
No.

Speaker 3 (41:33):
Also reports that players were threatening to leave if she
stayed on.

Speaker 19 (41:38):
Look, there's no player boycott. And these discussions, as we've said,
have been between us and Nolean, Dan Nolean and the
Silver Firn's management team. So that's where the discussions are.

Speaker 3 (41:51):
Are you saying you can't tell us if some players
were threatening to leave?

Speaker 19 (41:55):
I can't tell you. I can't tell you anything about
those discussions because the discussions are between us and Dy
Knowles and the Salt two's management team.

Speaker 3 (42:05):
Okay, is there some are some are saying that there's
a problem with her old school approach? Is that the
vibe that you're getting.

Speaker 19 (42:13):
Look, I can't comment on you what people are speculating about,
but what I can tell you is we have had
you know, we've had some issues in there. We'd like
to solve them, and that's what we're going to continue
to work to do. I think we can we can
do that. We can get a really good Silver Fins
team out on board.

Speaker 3 (42:28):
Right, So does both sides Is it that both sides
need to give here to resolve these issues or just
one side.

Speaker 19 (42:35):
We're just going to dive into the into the discussions again.
You understand the prosy law. I can't. I can't talk
about those discussions while we're having them.

Speaker 21 (42:43):
How long do you think it might take you to
resolve this, Well, we weren't able to get there before
we you know, we had hoped we could get there
before tiny Jamison.

Speaker 19 (42:52):
We weren't able to do that, so it takes a
little bit longer. I don't I don't know exactly how
long that'll be.

Speaker 3 (42:57):
Matt. The fact that you were referring to privacy issue
suggest to me this is an employment dispute and the
standing down is the end of her time with you.
Is that correct or not? Am I reading that right?

Speaker 5 (43:06):
No?

Speaker 19 (43:07):
No, no, Where these discussions are ongoing. Privacy issues are
really because you just can't talk about other people's The
situation was without other people's agreement, So you know that's
what that's what we're doing. We're talking about how we
can resolve from issues in the environment, and we're hopeful
that we can reach a resolution on those and we'll

(43:29):
keep working towards that.

Speaker 3 (43:30):
Mate. I feel like after everything you guys have been
through as Netborren New Zealm's bloody last thing you need.

Speaker 19 (43:36):
We've had some we've had some challenges this year, but
we've got you know, we've got a fantastic sport. We've
got a massive number of participants. We've got the biggest
secondary school sport. We've got you know, a really strong
community sport. We've just got open champs starting starting this week.
We've had some North Island secondary schools without it out

(43:59):
at Mount Wellington a few weeks ago. Fantastic, fantastic buy
out there. So you know, we're the community games and
great heart. We're pleased to have our TV broadcasting afforded
so we can get out two more viewers and we're
excited about getting into this international campaign.

Speaker 3 (44:14):
Good stuff, good stuff, and congrats. By the way, I
haven't the chance to say that you congrats on the
TV and ZID deal. That's Matt Winery, the board chair
of Netball New Zealand right. Let's deal with the accomplices
of Tom Phillips next five to twenty one hard questions.

Speaker 1 (44:26):
Strong opinion here the duplicy Ellen drive with one New
Zealand hand of power of satellite mobile news talk, said.

Speaker 3 (44:33):
Be Willie Jackson on tacuter feris in about ten minutes time.
It's five twenty four. Now, the people who helped Tom
Phillips should absolutely be packing themselves because the cops are
making it pretty clear they're coming after them, and in
a big way. Cops have said today it is clear
that Tom Phillips had help recently, judging by the stuff
that's lying around in the second camp. And what police

(44:53):
are planning to do is to trace where that stuff
came from. So, if it's not stolen, where did it
come from, who gave it to Tom Phillips. If it's bought,
who bought it for Tom Phillips, who were the guns
registered to. Now this is incredibly frustrating to talk about
because as of Monday, there is a suppression order in
the courts, which means the full picture here is not out.

(45:14):
But even without that full picture, I think that what
we already know is serious enough for his accomplices to
understand that they are in big trouble if they get caught.
One man is dead, a police officer almost died, and
those children were put in harm's way basically every single
day that they were in the bush. At any time
they might have come across a police officer. Now imagine

(45:35):
how much more dangerous it would have been if it
wasn't just one child, but all of them who were
with him when he was confronted by a police officer
and pulled a weapon on that officer and kicked off
a gunfight. He took a child to rob a bank,
He took a child to burglar dairy, He took a
child to burgle pgg Rison. He gave his daughter a
gun she pointed at someone during the bank robbery, at
any one of those moments, who knows if they come

(45:55):
across a cop he pulled his gun and kicked off
a gunfight. B Blisses cannot say that they didn't know.
This has been going on for years. If they were
helping him as recently as police believe, then they knew,
and they deserve to be dragged before the courts for it.

Speaker 2 (46:12):
Ever due for see Ellen, now we've got to talk.

Speaker 3 (46:16):
About go on then go on? Then, So the Prime
minister's getting in trouble for how much he blew on
chopper rides for him in Albanesi.

Speaker 22 (46:26):
Have you seen this?

Speaker 3 (46:27):
Okay, so we thought it was slightly over twenty thousand dollars.
The oia has come back, and in fact, when he
I don't know if you're aware of this, you might
not have seen this because it wasn't widely shared. But
Christopher Luxen sprang for a couple of helicopters when Alberizi
was in town to fly him and Alberanzi to the
top of a mountain in Queenstown so that they could
have a pavlova. And the cost of those two choppers

(46:48):
was forty four thousand dollars. And people are not pleased
with us. Now, I don't have a problem. I actually
don't have a problem with spends like that, because I
think if you're if you've got the world leader over
and you're trying to show off your country, you got
to spend a bit of dollars. But the problem with
it is that it just doesn't it just feel a
wee bit try hard, Like it feels like the kind
of thing that the guy does to get the girl,
you know, like a bit nath flies her to the

(47:09):
top of the mountain in Queen's Down and then gets
out of random pavlov who eats a pavlova in the snow. Anyway,
you know what I mean on top of a mountain.
Who thought that's a good idea? Anyway, the problem it
does compound slightly because Albanese obviously didn't love it, and
so he didn't like like the girl. It was like, oh, lame,
I'm not posting pictures of that date. So Albanize didn't

(47:30):
post any pictures of the date and the only person
who posted pictures of the date was Chris Luxen, so
kind of didn't get its bang for the buck. Now
what I would have done if I was Chris Luckson
has got a third chopper and put some media in it,
so at least the media up there to film the
evidence of the debate of the date and then broadcast it.
But unfortunately, you know, it was kind of half done anyway,

(47:50):
So I don't know. Problem with a spend just feels
a bit nath so it doesn't it. News is next.

Speaker 2 (48:04):
Digging deeper into the day's headlines.

Speaker 1 (48:07):
It's Heather Duper Cllen Drive with one New Zealand coverage
like no one else news talks.

Speaker 2 (48:12):
They'd be.

Speaker 3 (48:16):
Hudd All's standing by might have a chat to the
tourism in the start after six o'clock about the news
that jet Star's launching a bunch of flights in New Zealand.
Bunch of more flights in New Zealand. Heather, if you
can hire two choppers from Queenstown and Milford right now
for less than twelve thousand dollars, Do we have a
thirty thousand dollar Pavlova hohe can explain it. I don't
really know. Right it's twenty five away from six now.

(48:38):
Taku de Ferris has doubled down on his anti immigrant post.
He's posted an eight minute video ranted Midnight where he
says he doesn't give a crap about what Willie Jackson thinks.
Marty seats it for Mary only to campaign and basically
he's not sorry. Willie Jackson is head of the Labor
Marty Caucus. Hi, Willie, you kyodakyota that all right? Have
you spoken to the Mary party about this post.

Speaker 23 (48:59):
I haven't spoken to them, but Chippy has. Chippy gave
them a call and voiced his displeasure, and they've apologized
and apparently apologized the game to the public. So you know,
we're pleased about that, but I'm not sure what Doc's doing.
You know that we haven't heard from him.

Speaker 3 (49:21):
We'll take a punt. What do you reckon he's doing.

Speaker 23 (49:24):
He's probably doubled down and doesn't want to resolve from
what he said, which is, you know, I think it's
really disappointing. I am you know, of course what was
very disappointing result in Tarmachy, But I wanted to say,
and I'll say on your show because you got to
you got a big following.

Speaker 4 (49:42):
You know, we were.

Speaker 23 (49:43):
Humbled by the support by from the different ethnic groups Indians, Pacific,
so you know, it's it's great part our people, you know,
African people. I think Doc called them black people or whatever,
but you know, I think it's great when they all
come on, they come on to take over the MALDI. See,
they come on as fellow colleagues and Labor Party members

(50:06):
just to give us some support. I think that that's
humbling and I'm never We're never going to say no
to that because that's what makes up this country and
the the you know, we reciprocate of've helped in general electorates.
So I don't you know, I think he's just got
the wrong end of the stick and it's been quite offensive.

Speaker 3 (50:23):
Really, yeah, what is it to you that is offensive?

Speaker 2 (50:27):
Oh?

Speaker 23 (50:28):
The calling out the belittling of those people. That's what
I that's what I think is wrong, you know, and
to say, you know, basically saying you know, you have
no right to participate. You know, this is just the
Maori seat. Yes it's a Maldi seat. But these people
want to help, and so you know, when you're in
politics hither you take as much help as possible. And

(50:49):
those people were all offended. So I've apologized personally to
a number of them, and I take the opportunity you're
going to apologize today. But I mean, I'm not the
one who offended, but you know they'll be a lot
of them were taken back but shocked.

Speaker 3 (51:04):
Actually, who you mean the people who are helping that's right, yeah, right, yeah,
fair enough. Now I'd like to know why the Maori
Party has changed their tune. I mean, up to now,
they've been pretty unapologetic for some of the pretty wacky
stuff they've said. But all of a sudden, in the
last week they've prepared to apologize for this kind of thing.
Why is that?

Speaker 23 (51:24):
Well, I think you're going to have to ask them.
I mean, this is the second time we take them
on their weird and deb and already have been quite
very apologetic. I mean, I think you've seen her if
I saw this Heil post from Ded Pecker and I
thought it was very good about a week ago, and
then doctor Ferris came out after that and sort of

(51:45):
made it really you know, this is my theory.

Speaker 3 (51:48):
Really, my theory is that the reason that the Malori
Party have apologized for like the first time ever is
because they realize that if they want to get into
government with you guys are going to have to tone
this crap down.

Speaker 23 (52:00):
I mean, I don't think it takes a genius to
work there out, you know. I mean, that's that's just
the reality, right, We can't and those I mean, you
know you've been around a while, you know those are
the big Those are conversations we've had that I have
with them, you know. And I know the line that
you know, you and your mate the Hoskins are running.
You know, they're they're out of control, they're racist.

Speaker 3 (52:22):
Well come on, I mean, did you watch the eight Minutes?
Does seem a little out of control and racist?

Speaker 2 (52:28):
Uh?

Speaker 23 (52:28):
Well well yeah, but you know, I mean look at
the party. I mean I thought Seymour in the most
racist campaign in history, the National Party lux and had
no problem jumping age. You know Winston. Winston went off
as rocket during the campaign. People say things, but they
managed to pull things or pull together when it counts.

(52:49):
So you know, I'm hoping that party Mary can get
it together and get Doc into shape.

Speaker 3 (52:54):
Yeah all right, hey, thank you very much. Willy appreciate it.
Willie Jackson, Labor Party. By the way, speaking of the
Labour Party, I might be regretting all the praise I
heaped on Stewart Nash the other day because he's in
big trouble his employer, the recruitment firm Robert Walters. He's
put out a statement saying the remarks he made a
deep about women and what constitutes a woman. By the way,
the remarks are deeply inappropriate, do not reflect our values

(53:16):
or the standards of our business. We have initiated a
formal review. Will not be commenting further while that process
is ongoing. He's also on the board of the Taxpayers Union,
and the chairperson, Ruth Richardson says the cruit and crass
language has no place around the board table at the
Taxpayers Union.

Speaker 1 (53:31):
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Speaker 2 (53:35):
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Speaker 13 (53:36):
On the Huddle of Us.

Speaker 3 (53:36):
This evening we have Jack Tame, host of Q and
A Saturday Mornings on z BE, as well and Tim
Wilson of the Maximum Institute. Hello, are you too.

Speaker 5 (53:44):
Right? Jack?

Speaker 3 (53:44):
Did you watch the Takuta Ferris video?

Speaker 5 (53:47):
No?

Speaker 9 (53:47):
No, I didn't. I saw the posts. Well I don't.

Speaker 3 (53:51):
Okay, stop stop talking, stop talking.

Speaker 19 (53:53):
Have you watched it?

Speaker 2 (53:54):
Tim?

Speaker 18 (53:55):
Yeah, I watched. I watched enough of it to win.
YEA is number one? The hoodie, the gray sort of monochrome.

Speaker 2 (54:03):
It's all very.

Speaker 3 (54:06):
Like, did it give you? I've hot boxed my lounge
and am now vibing vibes.

Speaker 18 (54:12):
When you say hot box, do you translate place?

Speaker 3 (54:14):
I just smoked a bunch of cones and I think,
and I think this sounds intellectual, but it really doesn't.

Speaker 18 (54:21):
No, I didn't look. Maybe I didn't get enough of
it to to paint that picture.

Speaker 19 (54:27):
I thought.

Speaker 18 (54:27):
When when he when he said, he said, you know,
these these these other ethnicities helping remove a mari you
know what, kicker Mary out? It's like it isn't.

Speaker 3 (54:38):
They're just trying to They're just trying to help kick
one Marty out to replace him with another Mary, So
it's not that bad. I would have thought, Jack, you
need to go watch this video.

Speaker 2 (54:45):
It's you do the hot box test.

Speaker 9 (54:49):
Come on eight minutes, mate.

Speaker 3 (54:53):
You've got eight minutes when you're trying to get the
baby to sleep and you know that the line in
the crib and you're.

Speaker 18 (54:59):
With one hand and you're watch the video.

Speaker 3 (55:02):
You're doing that thing where you're sitting them out to
make sure that they are a sleepy. To chuck your
headphones and have a watch of Takoota. It's very dark
and it's not going to shine much of our eyes.

Speaker 9 (55:09):
Yeah, I don't know. I mean I think you hit
the nail on the head. This is just going to
be I think like actually one of it's not the
defining issue for the left block heading into next year.
There's a lot of fuss over later tax teams. I
actually think getting to some sort of memorandum of understanding
with TIPPARTI Maori about how they're going to approach this
election try and keep you know, those kind of soft

(55:31):
labor national voters on site. I think it's going to
be a monumental challenge and actually, nothing I've really seen
from someone's to party Marty's in maybe maybe that apology
from Divinardi Wpaka and I would be white tea last
week we constitute this. But I've seen very little from
to Party Mahori that shows that they're interested in kind
of toning things down.

Speaker 3 (55:51):
They I see, I disagree with you because I reckon
the two apologies in the space of two what like
a week is a very clear indication that they're prepared
to turn down because Jack, they've never apologized for anything.

Speaker 9 (56:02):
And what about the eight minute video and rescept.

Speaker 3 (56:04):
But he's gone off the he's gone off the reservation.

Speaker 2 (56:07):
Isn't he like.

Speaker 5 (56:09):
It down?

Speaker 20 (56:10):
Is this?

Speaker 18 (56:11):
Is this an internal issue where the two total leaders
are trying to tone it down, but they haven't actually
calmed it with the rank and file.

Speaker 3 (56:18):
Well, I think yes, But I think they may have
commed it with the rank and file. But the rank
and file is very used to being a radical activist
and giving you the finger, and so they might be
giving the.

Speaker 9 (56:30):
True Can I offer a theory and that is that
that maybe if all of that is true, and it's
the biggest that maybe to Party Maldi's co leaders are
more interested in being in government than the people. A
little further down down the list rank in that maybe
they see themselves as potentially been cabinet ministers, whereas someone
like Harket the Feris is going to go, you know what,

(56:51):
I'm never going to be in cabinet, certainly not anytime soon.
I'm not going to be a minister. So I'm going
to do what's working for us so far. I'm going
to I'm going to throw a bit of read me
to my supporters and say what I want to say.
Whatever time in the morning.

Speaker 3 (57:03):
Yeah, I think you might be right there. All right, guys,
will take a break, come back to you very shortly.
Huddle sixteen away from six.

Speaker 1 (57:09):
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Speaker 3 (57:15):
All right, you're back with the huddle, Tim Wilson and
Jack Tame. Tim, are you happy to see Tom Phillips
as accomplice's tracked down and charged.

Speaker 18 (57:23):
Absolutely, they're complicit with the kidnapping, which and particularly this
crime against against the kids. So you participated in a crime,
you've got to face the full effect of the law.
That seems very straightforward and interesting. Your conversation with Glance
Berdett the police seem quite confident that that they have
a strong evidential base for pursuing these people, so I'd

(57:46):
be worried.

Speaker 3 (57:46):
Yeah, Jack. One of the arguments has been made to
me on the text machine is that these people were
simply trying to keep the kids fed because they would
never have been able to talk him out of coming
out of the bush.

Speaker 9 (57:56):
What do you think, Yeah, I don't think that the
old Master as far as I'm concerned, I mean, like considers,
the police seem pretty confident. They seem very sure actually
that he's been receiving assistance, and you know, I think,
you know, I think they should face the full extent
of for whatever charges they deserve. You know, I think

(58:16):
as sinces have been complicit, and look, there might have
been other options available that they could have gone to
police if they were really concerned about the children being
feed or something like that, that there were other options
to pursue. I'm not saying it wasn't a complex situation,
but as far as I'm concerned, all of those who
had assisted and should be brought to justice.

Speaker 3 (58:35):
Yeah. Now, Tim, how do you feel about Christopher Luxan
spending forty four thousand dollars on his Pavlova on the
Mountain date with Alban easy.

Speaker 22 (58:43):
Well, I thought, if you go for a trip in
a chopper double Shoppers with your rich big brother to
a food that he claims to have invented anyway, then
he's got to pay.

Speaker 18 (58:54):
This is just this is not fair, Am I right?

Speaker 8 (58:57):
Am I right?

Speaker 3 (58:58):
No, that's ridiculous because he's come to your house. So
if he's come to your house, you're obviously like you're
laying it on, right.

Speaker 18 (59:06):
I think your sense of we paid what was it,
fifty almost fifty four grand for a couple of shoppers
that there was no there was no bump from us.
You know, there's no social media, they weren't followed by
the media. So for all of that sort of budget,
you need to see a benefit for that spend, and

(59:26):
we're not seeing that.

Speaker 3 (59:27):
Yeah, I reckon, I reconject. My feeling is they should
have if they were going to go like semi bigs,
they should have gone completely big and just taken media
up and stuff and get absolute bangs for buck. What
do you think?

Speaker 9 (59:36):
Yeah, well, I mean this is this is what I
don't understand. I mean, first of all, this government sells
themselves on being kind of you know, studious minders of
the public finances. We are facing extremely constrained economic conditions,
So forty four thousand dollars for a couple of helicopters
for some pictures that only really ended up on the

(59:57):
Prime minister's social media feed. I'm not saying that Albani
he should be guaranteeing that he's going to make Instagram
posts or anything like that, but from what I understand,
there was no real coordination with the Australian media. So
what is the point of this entire thing. If these
pecks are only going to be going out to Christopher
Luxen's Instagram followers and the domestic audience in New Zealand,
what is the point of sending forty four thousand dollars

(01:00:18):
for a pretty cheesy little photo of I don't think
it represents good VENI and I think it's kind of
anathema to the government's self reported values.

Speaker 3 (01:00:28):
Till I heard you draw your breath and to say something.

Speaker 18 (01:00:30):
I'm just trying to I'm just trying to figure out
was it. I thought it was twenty seven k per chopper,
so twenty seven times too.

Speaker 9 (01:00:36):
No, No, I think we.

Speaker 3 (01:00:38):
Originally thought it was twenty seven thousand dollars. Now we
found forty four thousand dollars.

Speaker 2 (01:00:42):
It doesn't make any sense.

Speaker 3 (01:00:43):
Because the chopper, somebody says to me, should only be
about twelve thousand dollars in total, which means the pavlov
was thirty thousand dollars. And that doesn't make any sense.

Speaker 2 (01:00:50):
Does it.

Speaker 9 (01:00:52):
It's not a world that I really.

Speaker 3 (01:00:56):
Chopper ride cost you, Jack exactly.

Speaker 4 (01:01:00):
Hey, speaking that you can go.

Speaker 18 (01:01:01):
You can go in New York for three and a shopper,
So there you go. Yeah, but you don't get a
pavlover afterwards, you know from your.

Speaker 3 (01:01:09):
High flying life. Okay, I've got one for you guys. Okay, Jack,
would you have you First of all, have you seen
how much the new iPhone costs?

Speaker 9 (01:01:17):
I've seen how much the new base model costs, even
ten hundred dollars.

Speaker 3 (01:01:21):
Yeah, at the top of the range is four and
a half thousand New Zealand dollars. What would you pay
that much for a cell phone?

Speaker 4 (01:01:28):
Well?

Speaker 5 (01:01:29):
Is that better?

Speaker 9 (01:01:30):
Or I suppose like it's eleven? It's eleven, Christopher.

Speaker 18 (01:01:34):
Lux and Jack, Jack. It takes you up in the
air and then it bakes you. It bakes you a
pavlover as well, and then it's Anthony Alban Easy.

Speaker 9 (01:01:43):
Yeah, absolutely not, although I would say that like I'm
currently on a phone that's I think six years old,
and if I think about the amount of time I've
spent on the phone relative to what I paid for,
and it wasn't the top of the line model or
anything like that, I do think that you probably get
pretty good value. I mean, no, it's still nine.

Speaker 3 (01:02:01):
Hundred dollars a year for a phone. I wouldn't pay
that nine hundred dollars a year for a phone.

Speaker 18 (01:02:06):
For four and a half case.

Speaker 8 (01:02:07):
Not a phone.

Speaker 19 (01:02:08):
It's a Suzuki Swerft.

Speaker 22 (01:02:09):
I've got it for sale.

Speaker 18 (01:02:10):
Just give me a call.

Speaker 3 (01:02:13):
Never want to miss an opportunity, guys, Thank you very much,
Jack Tame, Tim wilsoner hud All this evening year. So
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Speaker 3 (01:02:49):
Just a reminder, we're going to talk about the jet
Star announcement today that they're putting on a whole lot
more flights with Louise Upston, Tourism Minister after six. Right now,
it's five away from six. Can I just say, very
quickly on the the Takuta Fairest thing, if there is
something to be reasonably pleased about this bizarre burst of
racism at midnight, it's that it is actually getting some

(01:03:12):
media coverage. Now, this is unusual, right, This is this
is something has changed and I can't quite pick what
it is. But you know, if he'd done this, I
would venture to say, because this is not the worst thing,
like by any stretch that the Maori Party has said.
They've said far worse things. And I've ventured to say
that if he had said this maybe two years ago,

(01:03:32):
I think a lot of the mainstream media when I
say that, I mean the press gallery just waved it
in like they don't really care. About what it was
a party Marty can say what evak aren't they But
somehow something has changed and he's been picked up. His
comments on this particular Instagram post have been picked up,
and then the rent last night in a way that
holding the Maori Party to account in a way they

(01:03:53):
never have. And I'm not sure look at Maybe I
wonder if it's because the Maori part like there a
credible pathway to victory for the left here as in
Labour Party, Maori Party, Green Party could potentially be government
next year and maybe the press gallery is waking.

Speaker 2 (01:04:08):
Up to that.

Speaker 3 (01:04:09):
Or maybe it's the fact that the Maori Party have
irritated the press gallery by banning them from the by
election night and not giving them any interviews. Who knows,
but I welcome it very very much. Now I thought
I was excited about this. They've had the UFO hearings
in the States, I mean, to be fair, this is
the third hearing they've had since twenty twenty three. It's
called the Transparency Relating to Unidentified Anomalous Phenomena. It's a

(01:04:32):
real UAP, very catchy anyway. It featured the defense whistleblowers
three bits of information out of it. The first is
one one of the whistleblowers claimed a triangular fluid object
was flying from near the NASA here A building and
it interfered with his cell phone. The second report was
a massive glowing red square silently hovering above US military sites.

(01:04:52):
But my favorite was the third, which was the video
of what was apparently a hell fire missile smacking into
a US and then bouncing off and the UFO just
kept going. You could go look at it on the internet.
There it is. There's your proof UFOs are real, says
the whistleblowers. Anyway, talk about Jetstar next.

Speaker 24 (01:05:15):
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Speaker 3 (01:05:38):
Even in coming up for the next hour. There is
new information, can you believe it? In the all resignation saga,
which now suggests that he would have been fired if
he hadn't resigned. Jannatib Cherani will talk us through that.
I we'll also talk us data with Milford Asset Management,
and then we will talk everything that's going on in
the UK with Gavin Gray seven past six. Now, competition's
heading up for air New Zealand and the domestic market.
Jetstar has announced today it's biggest ever expansion in New Zealand,

(01:06:01):
with over six hundred thousand extra seats. There's also a
new daily route between Hamilton and christ Church and seasonal
roots from Queenstown to Brisbane. Louise Upston is the tourism
in a stand with us now, high Louise, good afternoon,
how are you well? Thank you? You like the look
of it? Oh, it's great news.

Speaker 25 (01:06:17):
And look what it says is that Jetstar and Quantus
have real confidence in the market in New Zealand, and
they're really confident about the direction the government's taking in
our absolute unabashed ambition for more visitors into New Zealand.

Speaker 3 (01:06:31):
What do you reckons more exciting the Hamilton christ Church
route or the Queenstown Brisbane route.

Speaker 25 (01:06:37):
Oh, it's a bit of a toss up, but being
a sort of one that uses the Hamilton airport, that's
got to be a pretty exciting one.

Speaker 3 (01:06:44):
So purely from a self serving position, I like t Hamilton.
Why would it be anything else?

Speaker 25 (01:06:50):
No, Look, in all seriousness, you know this is the
single biggest expansion ever of Jetstar New Zealand and also
the Trans Tasman network, So that is a significant step
for Jetstar and Quantus. I think it's a really exciting
day in terms of increased options, increased choice and of
course increase competition, and it just gives more options both

(01:07:14):
within New Zealand but also more destinations that we can
get to in Australia.

Speaker 3 (01:07:19):
Look, I look at something like this and the first
aught that comes to mind is why is in New
Zealand not being this confident and expanding. Do you have
some concerns about that that we've got an Australian carrier
who's prepared to up the number of seats while in
New Zealand just doesn't have that level of ability.

Speaker 25 (01:07:34):
Well, I think in New Zealand would need to answer
any questions about that. You know, they've had a number
of challenges that they have faced. But I think this
is a really positive sign for New Zealand and for
New Zealand tourism. What we do want to do is
attract more airlines to bring international routes into the various
airports across New Zealand. So while Auckland will see the

(01:07:59):
Lions Share. It's really exciting to see jet Star earlier
this year coming into Hamilton, coming into Dunedin. It gives
lots more opportunities for those Australians that are increasing in
their numbers coming to our shores, the places they land
and therefore where they travel, and the businesses that benefit
from that. So getting into more regions is really exciting.

(01:08:23):
But it also means there's more options around schedules and
price for domestic connections. And I think it's a really
positive day for New Zealand to see Quantus and Jetstar
delivering six hundred and sixty thousand fewer seats, sorry.

Speaker 3 (01:08:42):
More seats. Yeah, kind of the opposite, Louise, how do
we get people because everybody's obviously, I mean just look
at it. Look it's Brisbane to Queenstown, right, everybody loves
the South Island. How do we get these tourists to
love the North Island.

Speaker 25 (01:08:56):
Well, that's where I think. You know, destinations like Hamilton
are really important. So it's getting people to fly into Hamilton.
They're then traveling around the central North Island the same
as Dunedin. So they might land in Dunedin and then
travel through a different part of the South Island. The
regions are coordinating and collaborating, so the Southern Way is

(01:09:18):
working together to say, once somebody's landed in Dunedan, how
do we make it easier for them to explore parts
of New Zealand that they otherwise might not. And so
it's really ensuring we get more visitors, we get more
Australians choosing to visit New Zealand and then encouraging and
enabling them to move around New Zealand and experience different places,

(01:09:40):
so that's where they land in the first place. But
also cheaper domestic fares also make it easier for international
visitors to move around the country and experience more places.
So that's an absolute one one.

Speaker 3 (01:09:55):
Thank you so much. Louis appreciate it. Louis Epston, Tourism Minister.
Heather Jetstar Asia shut down their operations and that's where
the planes have come from.

Speaker 2 (01:10:02):
Heather doul.

Speaker 3 (01:10:05):
Oh, I mean to actually bring this to your attention
to you, I don't know if you were listening. Around
about four thirty, I made the point that I thought
calling the Tom Phillips operation Operation Curly was kind of
like it fell off because it's such a benign name
for such a grim situation. Somebody said that the police
have called Operation Curly because he's baled, so it's a

(01:10:26):
police in joke, which I kind of I suppose I appreciate.
Now I'm going to bring something to your attention. Just
park this in your brain. Park this in your brain
for later, because I reckon that this is going to
be potentially important. So last week, when we were talking
about Tom Phillips, after Tom had tried to rob what
was it the dairy or had managed to get the
milk out of the airy or whatever it was, we're
talking about that, and I made the point that I

(01:10:48):
didn't think police were actually looking like actively out there
hunting him in the bush. And Mark Mitchell, the Police Minister,
was on with Mike Hosking today and basically confirmed that
it would have.

Speaker 22 (01:10:58):
Been easy for them to put an operation together and
go in there and try and raid the camp and
recover them.

Speaker 2 (01:11:05):
But look at what might have occurred.

Speaker 7 (01:11:07):
Probably what would have occurred, as you know, you could
have ended up with a complete tragedy.

Speaker 3 (01:11:12):
Now fair point, fair point that he clearly was always
going to pull a gun and that had to be
a consideration, and that might have been a very good
reason not to go and pull a team together and
raid the camp. But listen to what the police minister said.
They could have pulled a team together, They could have
raided the camp. It would have been easy, but they didn't.
We'll just park that in our brains and remember that
for later. On six thirteen, it's the Heather.

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they will find it much easier to fly there seventeen
pass six. Now, US data has been in the spotlight
in recent weeks and we've got more signs things could
be turning. Question is is it about to get worse
or inflex and with US now as Brendan Larson of
Milford Asset Management, Hey Brendan, good evening, how are you

(01:13:08):
interpreting the data?

Speaker 21 (01:13:10):
Look, it's fair to say we are on a bit
of a knife s edge. Now, with regards to the
US economy, Heather, we're getting some quite conflicting data that
is making it quite difficult to.

Speaker 5 (01:13:19):
Have conviction in the overall direction of the economy.

Speaker 21 (01:13:22):
Labor market data last week was undoubtedly weak, including negative revisions.
Since May, payrolls have averaged just twenty seven thousand per month,
So since two thousand, that's actually the weakest four month
trend outside of recession periods. So the question around the
labor market is whether this reflects delays in hiring during
those turbulent months given that tariff uncertainty we had, or

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if that reflects or real flowing in demand in the economy.
A fair reason to think maybe the latter is that
growth indicators are still not showing signs of falling off
a cliff. Yet the ISM and PMI reports actually indicated
that new orders, which is a leading indicator for demand,
actually urge last month, and so the question is whether
that translates into an inflection and labor demand again.

Speaker 3 (01:14:06):
So is it possible that that weaker labor market is
why markets are pricing in a lot more cuts.

Speaker 5 (01:14:12):
Yeah, I think that's right.

Speaker 21 (01:14:13):
So I think markets had been pre empting the federal
reserve becoming more dubvish, So the market is now actually
pricing around three cuts this year and just over five
over the next twelve months. The issue here is that
the FED may be cutting into rising inflation. We get
more clarity on this later this week, but core inflation
is expected to increase from here. High frequency data does

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suggest there is scope for meaningful increases in core goods
prices in coming months. One potential offset to that is
that US rents now look to be falling meaningfully and
that may help drive shelter disinflation.

Speaker 3 (01:14:47):
So if you've got the concerns around the labor market
the inflation risks, what about the US consumer because they
have been really key for the economy there, haven't they.

Speaker 5 (01:14:55):
Yeah, it's a really good point.

Speaker 21 (01:14:56):
The US consumer really was underpending that really strong US economy.

Speaker 5 (01:15:01):
What we are still seeing, though, is a really K shaped.

Speaker 21 (01:15:03):
Economy, and what that means is that the top quartile
is doing really well still, but the lower end is hurting.

Speaker 5 (01:15:10):
One thing to keep in mind as we go into
next year.

Speaker 21 (01:15:12):
Though, is that the big beautiful bill that was passed
earlier this year will provide meaningful stimulus early next year,
and so that is a potential positive for growth as
we sort of get into twenty twenty six.

Speaker 3 (01:15:22):
Yeah, it's pretty tricky stuff. So what does that mean
for the markets?

Speaker 21 (01:15:26):
Yeah, it is tricky, I think, particularly when you're adding
that sort of fiscal overreach that we've discussed with you
over recent weeks. And so the US administration is continuing
to creep closer to fiscal dominance and potentially undermining under
FEDS inflation targeting mandate. And so if we couple that
with potentially rising core inflation as tariffs show through, and

(01:15:46):
a federal reserve who are cutting raids, the outcome is
actually quite positive for stores of value. So gold is
the clearest example of this store of value and investors have.

Speaker 5 (01:15:55):
Really been piling in.

Speaker 21 (01:15:57):
Gold is up forty five percent over the last year
versus the simply five hundred up just nineteen percent over
that same time period. For interest rate markets, clearly the
bias for short term interest rates in the US is lower,
but with potential inflation risks, there is scope for longer
term interest rates to remain a.

Speaker 5 (01:16:13):
Little bit more elevated.

Speaker 21 (01:16:14):
We think this could way on share markets, especially given
the strong run they've had and quite Elevated Investor Positioning.

Speaker 3 (01:16:21):
Hey, thank you Brandan, really good to talk to you.
Brendan Larson Milford Asset Management BTS auction failed again today.
This is the third time it's failed this year, and
it's the third time it's run. So basically all three
have failed. Now let me just run so this will
start it at the end of twenty twenty two. The
first one that failed, as far as I can remember,
was the start of twenty three. So this is what's
happened in twenty three, twenty four to twenty five. All

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four failed in twenty three. Three out of the four
failed last year. Three this year have failed. So that
means in three years out of the eleven, only one
has partially sold. That's not good. A six twenty one.

Speaker 1 (01:16:57):
Everything from SMEs to the Big Corp's The Business Hour
with Heather Duplicy, Ellen and Mass for Insurance Investments and
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Speaker 2 (01:17:08):
Talks that'd be hither.

Speaker 3 (01:17:09):
The best thing that people could have done to help
the children, this is ree Tom Phillips, would have been
to tell the police where they were at the beginning. Absolutely,
feed the kids if you need to feed the kids,
then go tell the cops with our by the way
in Parliament today. So this I got this from somebody
in government. Text goes like this, Heather, it's estimates week
at Parliament. And yesterday we had two hearings Brackets Commerce
and Consumer Affairs in Housing like Commerce and Consumer Affairs

(01:17:33):
and then Housing where the opposition ran out of questions
and the hearings ended early. It caused one of Visc's hearings,
as Chris Bishop, one of his hearings to begin fifteen
minutes early because they ran out of the question so
the staff had to round them up and sprint him
to the house. How can the opposition run out of questions?
They've known these hearings were coming up for weeks and
weeks Labour requested that those hearings be at least an

(01:17:55):
hour each. Did they do no prep? Well, this is
an end text. This is a very good point, isn't it?
Did they do no prep? Because it looks to me
like this is if I had a criticism of labor. Boy,
do I have criticisms of labor at the moment? If
I had a criticism of Labor, it would be that
they appeared to be doing nothing at the moment. There's

(01:18:15):
no policy, there are no positions on things which we
can't even say of taku to Ferris's stuff as racist
like nothing, there's no work being done whatsoever, and it
would appear no questions either. Come on, guys, sort it
out by the way, just really quickly, because you know
that I've got a thing on about the cones, like
I've got an ongoing love affair with the cones. Boy
did it it? Tackle me?

Speaker 5 (01:18:36):
Pink?

Speaker 3 (01:18:36):
And was I excited to see that a cone has
been permanently asphalted into the footpath in New Plymouth on
Breakwater Road. Now everybody who looked at that at the
outset thought that's a mistake. No, it wasn't a mistake.
They did that deliberately. So what happened was there is
a exposed pipe underneath. Then they have to do some
work in the mains of the house, and then they
exposed piper is in the footpath and they can't have

(01:18:57):
people walking over it. So what they did is they
put the cone down and then they ass faltered. You
know how the cones got the lip at the bottom.
The ass faltered around the lips. So you've got about
the top seven six or seven eighths of the cones
sticking out the top. Just glorious, just to like, really
cement in something that we all hate. Well done, New
Plymouth Are six twenty six Shoba's Time Was Here, which

(01:19:23):
early two thousands classic has the song over the opening credits. Yes,
you're right, You're absolutely right. It as The Devil Wears Prada. Now,
many people who you know the one that I'm talking about,
this is where Meryl Streep plays a magazine head who's
equally fabulous, but as much fabulous as she is guarded
and rude. Now many people have said over the years
that's obviously a parody of Anna Wintour. But the thing

(01:19:45):
is Anna has never said anything about it herself until
now she's stepping down as the head of Vogue and
finally spilled the beans to the New Yorker podcast about
her thoughts on that film.

Speaker 16 (01:19:55):
I went to the premiere Wearing Prada completely having no
idea what the film was going to be about. First
of all, it was Meryl street which fantastic, And then
I went to send the film and I find it
highly enjoyable and very funny.

Speaker 3 (01:20:12):
It was very funny, But don't you like something about
her is so scary and menacing that you never know
whether she's fired, and finding it funny is a good thing. Anyway.
There is a sequel coming out very soon. It'll be
in May next year that you'll be able to see
Anne Hathaway reunite with Meryl Streep. And the question now
is will Anna Wintur be making a cameo because she

(01:20:32):
has got time on her hands, does she not? Yes,
she does, all right, the world's longest saga about something
that everybody wishes had happened quickly so we could just
move on as the Adrian all resignation. As I said,
now it turns out that that documents suggest if he
hadn't quit, he would have been fired. So talk to
Janative Treni about that. Next news is next.

Speaker 2 (01:20:54):
Yes, if it's to do with money, it matters to you.

Speaker 1 (01:21:07):
The Business Hour we're the header duplicy Ellen and maz
for insurance Convestments and Juey Safer and you're in good
hands News talks.

Speaker 2 (01:21:15):
That'd be.

Speaker 3 (01:21:23):
Got a statement from the police on that documentary. I
will get it to you very shortly, and of course
Gavin Gray's with us out of the UK right now.
It's twenty five away from seven now, Yes, the world's
longest resignation saga continues. We now have copies of text
messages just released by Treasury that confirm that Adrianall was
likely to be sacked if he didn't resign as the
Reserve Bank governor. It's transpired now that the process was

(01:21:43):
so advanced that Nikola Willis was told she might receive
a recommendation from the Reserve Bank's board to remove or
Jenetibstraney as The Herald's Wellington business editor and with us
hygieneme Hi, now tell us what you've forgot under the OA.
What's going on here?

Speaker 11 (01:21:58):
Okay? So I've got copies of text messages between the
Head of the Treasury, Ian Rennie and Nikola Willis from
February twenty seven, So this is shortly before Adrian Or
resigned on March five, and basically Ian Rennie was keeping
Nikola Willis in the loop, saying that Adrian Or had
chosen to stand down from his role because the Reserve

(01:22:21):
Bank Board had presented him with a letter of concerns.
And then he interestingly also said that Neil quickly that
the chair of the board was his current thinking was
that Nichola Willis could receive a recommendation the following week
unless the decision was taken for Or to go voluntarily.

(01:22:42):
So I double checked with the Treasury exactly what Ian
Rennie meant, and what he was saying was basically, you
know that Nicolo Willis might receive a recommendation from the
Reserve Bank Board to start the process of sacking Adrian Or. So,
you know, I think what's come to light in recent
weeks is different that there was an element of Adrian

(01:23:02):
Or being pushed to resign. That that kind of came
out when the Onbidsman forced the Reserve Bank to release
some more information. But what this shows was that the
process was fairly well advanced and that you know, Nichola
Willis was warned that, yeah, look she needs to get
ready to consider whether she wants to sack him.

Speaker 3 (01:23:22):
Is this bad for Nichola Willis.

Speaker 9 (01:23:25):
I think it is.

Speaker 11 (01:23:26):
I think it is bad because the buck does. I mean,
this whole thing is a shamozzle and the buck does
stop with the minister. But Nicholallis has defended herself here.
She said, look, the reason she hasn't come out earlier
to say this is the real story.

Speaker 1 (01:23:43):
This is what happened.

Speaker 11 (01:23:44):
Is because she wanted to make sure she upheld the
Reserve Bank's independence and that she didn't get involved in
a employment dispute that she wasn't party to. You know,
she was wary of the fact that there was that
Adrian or disputed the least of concerns and then the
letter was ultimately bimmed, So she didn't want to say
something that contravened that agreement, you know, that could cause

(01:24:08):
a big old legal stoush. So she has really tried
to distance herself. Interestingly, this week, Barbara Edmonds of Labor
has jumped on board this issue and has been interrogating
Nickoloblis pretty forensically in the House to try to try
to draw out some information.

Speaker 3 (01:24:27):
Yeah, I mean it does feel like a bit of
bollocks from Nikola. Willis right, because she was asked repeatedly,
like to the point where I became embarrassed at actually
asking her any more questions about it, and she never
faced up anything. So it's hard for her to defend this.
But having said that, in the interim, she has managed
to get rid of Neil quickly, so does that save her?

Speaker 11 (01:24:46):
Yeah, look, I think the thing that Nicola Willis should
have done is put greater pressure on the Reserve Bank
than she did to come clean with the story sooner.
So Nickola Willis says that she did put pressure on
the Reserve Bank board, and that is that is correct.
We've seen evidence of that publicly and privately. But ultimately

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the pressure that she put on the board wasn't enough,
and the board only the Reserve Bank only released more
information after the Ombardsman intervened, and then ultimately Nichola Willis
only got Neil Quigley to resign after this all came out,
and that was only a couple of weeks ago. So
I think the thing that it's a tough Nichola Willis

(01:25:27):
wasn't a tough situation. The thing she she should have
done was put greater pressure on the Reserve Bank board.
But it's a tough one because you know, she does
not want to be seen to be interfering with the
Reserve Bank. But I think actually something people should realize
is that there's one thing for the Reserve Bank to
be accountable to the government. That's fine. It's a whole

(01:25:48):
nother thing if the government gets involved in ocr decisions,
and what we're talking about here has nothing to do
with ocr decisions. It's all about accountability.

Speaker 3 (01:25:57):
Now, look looking at it from the outside side, right,
it looks to me like Nichola Willis as a finance
mins under an incredible amount of pressure. She's she's clearly
stuffed up here. She's she's got rid of Neil quickly
as a result she stuffed up on the butter stuff.
She got very close to stuffing up on the supermarket
stuff and saved it at the very end. Is she
when you see her in the corridors of Parliament, does

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she look like she's under pressure?

Speaker 11 (01:26:20):
I think today she she looked a bit exasperated by
this saga. I mean, it's always tough when politicians talk
a big game in terms of fixing some fairly massive
problems and then they don't delivery. And I think that
that is what's happened here. But if you see Nichola

(01:26:41):
Willis compared to her pairs other politicians, she is a
very good politician. You know, she is good at communicating
and and so on. So but I think in this instance,
I'm I'm disappointed by the lot of them. Actually, I
can't even distinguish anymore between who's my it's culpable. I
just feel like, as a member of the public, I've

(01:27:02):
been misled and it's disappointed.

Speaker 3 (01:27:04):
It just looks like a giant cover up, doesn't it. Janey,
Thanks very much, appreciate it. Janet to Trani The Herald's
Wellington Business Edit in nineteen Away from seven Together. Okay,
So here is a statement from a spokesperson at the Police.
Read the documentary. The documentary crew has been following the
police for the past seven months. Documentary crew has never
been given access to nor has it sought from police,

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to film anything involving the children. The agreement with police
specifies that beyond photos already in the media, the children
will not be identified on screen in the film that
applies unless there is written consent from both illegals, the
children's legal guardian and police. Police also have final approval
over the use of content, as in, if Police don't
like anything, they'll get it scrubbed. Police is not receiving

(01:27:46):
any payment for participating. The production is not allowed to
be broadcast before the completion of any IPCA coronial or
any other inquiries. Missing the point, entirely missing the point
entirely about why this documentary should not go ahead. This
documentary should not go ahead because by the time the IPCA,
the coronial and any other inquiries are completed, it'll be
years from now, right, So let's I don't know, pick

(01:28:08):
a finger, twenty thirty five years from now. So these
kids will be seventeen years old, fifteen years old, and
fourteen years old, and they will have got on with
their lives for the last five years, healed up a
little bit, maybe you know, made some friends at school.
Maybe people have forgotten what happened to them. People will
forget about all the rumors they've heard, and then what

(01:28:29):
will happen is the cops will release the documentary that
just dredges it up all again. Like think about it, guys,
this is this is I'm so unbelievably for all of
the good work the cops have done here, I am
so unbelievably disappointed in them that they cannot see that
this is harmful to the children, Like to the extent
when the children's minister was on Carentur didn't know about it.

(01:28:49):
I told her about it, Yesteres, She's like, oh no,
that shouldn't happen, Like clearly it shouldn't happen. Sort yourselves
out what the hell I mean like, if you're going
to be the police force going out there, going the children,
the best interests of the child ldren are at the
four of this, then scrub the documentary. There is no
value in it anyway. Documentary is not going to go ahead.
I'll tell you that now. I'm happy to take a

(01:29:09):
bet on it because in the end they will. They
will see the wood for the trees. They at the moment,
what I'll tell you what's going on here right, what's
going on here is that the cops are desperate. Right now,
I think public opinion is poised and paused if you
want to say that on whether the police should have
gone in earlier, right, And I think in the fullness

(01:29:31):
of time we may actually reach the conclusion that they
should have gone in earlier. And as Mark Mitchell said,
could have gone in earlier, it would have been quote
easy for them to go in earlier. Now we may
that what they're doing is they're getting all of this
this content filmed behind the scenes as a pr exercise
so that they because they are obsessed with convincing us

(01:29:53):
that they did the right thing. And look, they may
be right. I'm just but I'm just saying it is
the fixation of the police right now to convince us
that they did do the right thing, and therefore they
focused on this documentary as a means to prove that
to us. Should they need to their focus in being
obsessed with that, they're focusing on the wrong thing. In
mind about that, Just focus on these Chidren. Nobody else

(01:30:14):
matters really, whether I'm right, you're right, they're right, whoever's
right doesn't actually matter. That the welfare of the children
matters the most. And so the documentary needs to go.
And I think once they move on from the need
to kind of convince us that they did the right
thing in the last four years, they will start to
understand that they need to get rid of the documentary.
It will be some disappointed people, Dame Julie Christie, but
you know, we're all adults. We can cope. Sixteen away

(01:30:35):
from seven.

Speaker 2 (01:30:36):
Croaging the numbers and getting the results.

Speaker 1 (01:30:38):
It's heather due for Sea Ellen with the Business hour
and mass for insurance investments and Qui Saber, you're in
good hands.

Speaker 2 (01:30:47):
The news talk said, be listen.

Speaker 3 (01:30:48):
First of all, if you're a star trek fan. I've
got something for you. But also I have failed, and
this is an absolute crime on my part. I have
failed to mention to you the fact that one of
our little towns has made the world's most beautiful villa
according to Forbes and the Unforgettable Travel Company, and in
fact that Forbes is involved. Is like, it's reputable and
it's not a little ragged, you know what I mean.
So anyway, it's Russell, you know, as in Cordo Arica,

(01:31:11):
as in hellhole of the Pacific, as in right up
there in the nor beautiful like where the Duke of
Marlborough is. And if you've been there you know that
they're absolutely right. It is one of the most beautiful
little places. It comes in at number eleven on the list.
A little place in the Cotswaltz has come in at
number one by bery B.

Speaker 23 (01:31:28):
Berry.

Speaker 3 (01:31:28):
I don't know, you know who. We can ask Gavin Gray,
UK correspondent, who's with us? Hello, Gavin?

Speaker 13 (01:31:33):
I have There is Bibery and it is beautiful.

Speaker 3 (01:31:36):
What do you do when you go to Bibery?

Speaker 13 (01:31:39):
Look at the beautiful buildings.

Speaker 3 (01:31:41):
It's quite small.

Speaker 13 (01:31:42):
There isn't a huge amount to do that it's more
just a beautiful place to walk through the Yeah, the
buildings are kind of created out of honeycolored stones, so
when the sun shines, oh bye, it's somewhere really stunning.
But I've never been to Russell, so that's on my list.

Speaker 3 (01:31:55):
Yeah, absolutely, you showed going. What you want to do
is you want to go in the winter and just
sit there at the Duke of Marlborough by the fireplace,
slipping a whiskey and just imagining that you're a whaler
from the nineteenth century, but a clean one. So that's
quite a nice little day dream. Hey, listen, what do
you make of the fact that the Russian drones have
been down in Poland?

Speaker 13 (01:32:14):
Yeah, obviously a major escalation of what's been going on.
So this is the first time a member of the
NATO Military Alliance has directly engaged Russian assets, as it's
been called in airspace. We believe those to be drones,
and this is the first time since the Ukraine War
started back in twenty twenty two. Currently, Poland's president is
hiring a national security briefing with key officials. The operation

(01:32:38):
no longer ongoing. Everything's been stood down by now, just
in the last few minutes, four airports were shut in Poland.
Those have now been reopened. But this is really serious
because in the past, yes, drones have strayed beyond Ukraine's borders,
but it's always just been like one or two and
not much has happened. But this time these have gone
deep into Polish airspace and so consequently, I think many

(01:33:02):
people think, along with Russia striking a government building in
Kiev in Ukraine, is this simply testing the West as
to their resolve and how far they are likely to go.
No response from Donald Trump at the moment, but of
course it is in nighttime there. But all of the
Poland's fellow NATO members and neighbors are saying this is unacceptable.

(01:33:24):
It's a Russian war of aggressions, says the Swedish Prime Minister,
and Poland has every right to defend its airspace. So
we now also learned that as well as Polish air Force,
it was also conducted in operation conducted with the Dutch
as well, and they've just been thanking the Dutch for
deploying F thirty.

Speaker 5 (01:33:44):
Five fighter jets.

Speaker 3 (01:33:46):
Now what is going on in France.

Speaker 13 (01:33:49):
Today, Well, it's just a huge week really for the
French people for the French economy. French economy currently has
a deficit of roughly seven trillion New Zealand dollars, that's
one hundred and fourteen percent of the country's economic output
or GDP. And we've got the fifth prime minister now

(01:34:10):
appointed in the last two years, and Sebastian leco New
as he's called, has got a big job on his hands.
Today there is a block everything, as it's called protest,
and already we're hearing the Paris and so forth, many
people staying at home, they are not going on public
transport because so much of that has been threatened by

(01:34:32):
this strike, along with other services as well. It's called
the look on two let's block everything. And then on Friday,
the credit rating agency Fitch will reassess France's debts and
that could make its borrowing costs even higher if it
lowers its rating from doub a minus. So it really
is a big week in France. And this new prime minister, boy,

(01:34:54):
what a job he's got on trying to unite the left,
the right and the center. And that's probably why he's
the fifth person to be trying it in two years.

Speaker 3 (01:35:02):
Yeah, good stuff. Gavin, Thank you very much, really appreciated.
Gavin Gray, UK correspondent, nine away from seven.

Speaker 1 (01:35:09):
It's the Heather too for see allan Drive Full show
podcast on iHeartRadio powered by newstalg ZB.

Speaker 3 (01:35:18):
Listen. This is probably just confirming what you already know.
A and Z and Westpac have now joined B and Z,
so you've got three banks who have deepened their estimates
of how big they think the dip in Q two was.
So A and Z now reckons that the economy shrank
by zero point four percent instead of what they previously
said we was zero point one percent. Westpac had been

(01:35:40):
forecasting GDP would be flat, but they now reckon it's
a zero point four percent decline as well, So you're
not imagining it. It sucked. Somebody who won't really respect
has just text through saying hither, you're not going to
be able to stop the documentary. Netflix will do un
just like they do on any kind of fascinating story,
like gross but fascinating story that the world is interested in,
better to advocate for conditions around it and to ensure

(01:36:02):
that Dame Julie Christie pays a big fat fund to
set the kids up. After all, it will be financially
viable for her and the profits should go to the kids.
But you cannot stop it that censorship and so and
far better for the key weis to tell the story
than an offshore crew, which is probably the reality of
the situation as well. From another perspective, really quickly, if
you love Star Trek, like we laugh at people who

(01:36:24):
love Star Trek, but so many more of it, it's
like it's like, I don't know, It's like the people
who really love Socomo in Australia, more people admit, more
people actually do it than admit to it.

Speaker 22 (01:36:34):
Eh.

Speaker 3 (01:36:35):
So it's sixty years of Star Trek next year and
they're going to do a year long celebration. They are
going to do all kinds of weird things, like they
can have a float in Californiyear's Rose Parade. And they've
got a new series Star Trek Starfleet Academy, which is
launching next year on Paramount. They've and it's actually got
Holly Hunter and Paul Giamatti in it, so it won't
be that bad. And they've got a YouTube series which
is coming out which is like a preschool extension of it,

(01:36:56):
and they've got a podcast coming out, which is talking
about how can't became the villain? And finally they have
Lego coming out, and you know, when you've got the lego,
you are a big deal.

Speaker 26 (01:37:08):
Libby, I've got a bit of Hillary Duff for us tonight.
Lord why because she has announced that she is returning
to music after a decade away. You'll remember her from
Oh Yeah, Lizzy maguire, Yes.

Speaker 3 (01:37:20):
Yes, And how do we feel about this? Libby? Libya
is quite cool by the way. You can't see Libby,
but she's got like a like a kind of like scandy,
urban like nit vibe about her. So I don't feel
like this is your vibe.

Speaker 26 (01:37:34):
I love a bit of Hillary Duff because I grew
up in the Lizzie McGuire era.

Speaker 3 (01:37:38):
What do you listen to now?

Speaker 2 (01:37:39):
Though?

Speaker 26 (01:37:39):
Modernly I don't really she doesn't feature on my playlists
these days.

Speaker 3 (01:37:43):
I feel like indie bands are your vibe.

Speaker 19 (01:37:45):
I could do that.

Speaker 26 (01:37:45):
I could do a bit of everything.

Speaker 3 (01:37:46):
Yeah, I can put it down. Well, if the cool
one definitely, like none of us are cool, like Liby
is cool. So if the cool one in this group
is loving what's her name again, Lizzie McGuire, Hillary Duff, yeah,
that one. Then you know it's not half bad, but
you judge for yourself. You never listen We'll see you tomorrow.

Speaker 1 (01:38:35):
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