Full Show Podcast: 12 September 2025

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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Pressing the newsmakers to get the real story. It's Heather
duper Cellen Drive with One New Zealand to coverage like
no one else.

Speaker 2 (00:10):
News Talks Heavy.

Speaker 3 (00:13):
Afternoon. Welcome to the show. Coming up today, Police on
whether that march across the Auckland Harbor Bridge should go
ahead tomorrow morning. Secondary teachers are striking Monday, Wednesday, Tuesday,
Wednesday and Thursday next week. I'll get you the details
and then we'll talk to the PBTA and former Springbok
and Now commentator Hanyaneshamunge on the big game tomorrow.

Speaker 1 (00:32):
Heather duper Cellen, Well.

Speaker 3 (00:33):
I feel compelled by the boys who are on just
ahead of me to have a say on the flying Fox. Now,
if you haven't caught up on this, the dealer is
there is a flying fox on the carpety coast at
Kaitawa Reserve and it is frankly a crappy flying fox
by flying fox standards. Do you know what I mean?
Like you want a good flying fox, this is a
rubbish flying fox. I don't think I've ever seen a

(00:54):
flying fox go this slow before. It doesn't even you
go down it you get to the end, you don't
even get a pendulum swing. Do you know what I mean?
You know what I mean, right, because we've all done that.
We've been doing the flying foxes since we're about three
years old, so we're all experts on the flying Fox.
You didn't even get a swing on this one. That's
how slow it's going. And yet it's being shut down
because it is too fast apparently, which it isn't. So

(01:16):
there are three reasons that it's being shut down. Number one,
too fast, No, it's not. B because it crosses a
shallow creek that looks like it maybe I'm not lying
to you, about an inch deep and about a forearm wide,
so not a particular hazard, no, a particularly scary hazard.
And then the final reason, see, because it's got a
fraying cable. Now, fair deal on the fraying cable. That

(01:36):
obviously needs to be sorted out, But the councils seem
to have used that as an excuse to shut the
whole thing down completely and, reading between the lines, replace
the flying Fox altogether. Now they will say, and they
do say that they have a health and safety obligation,
and look, maybe they do. And this is why I
hate our current overly conservative health and safety regulations because

(01:57):
it's completely taken any kind of common sense of the equation.
This flying fox is not too dangerous at all. The
one at the park near our house goes about three
times as fast, and the three year old's been going
on since he was a two year old. Kids need
a little bit of risk, right And if you listen
to any parenting expert out there, or at least one's
worth their soult, you will know there are three problems made,

(02:17):
three major problems with the way that we are raising
our kids nowadays. Too much screen time, too much gentle
parenting where we try not to say no to the
little ones, and finally, too much cotton wool. Not enough risk.
Kids need risk, especially boys need risk. They need to
learn what they should and should not do. They need
to learn how high is too high for them. They

(02:39):
need to experience the thrills of life to have fun.
What kids do, it's what they're supposed to do. Carpety
District Council may or may not have a choice here,
depending on their health and safety regulations. I don't know,
but what I do know is that they are not
doing the right thing for kids by taking away a
comparatively low risk activity and a crappy flying fox that
frankly kids can handle together.

Speaker 1 (03:00):
Duplessy Allen.

Speaker 3 (03:05):
Nineteen ninety two is the text number. Standard text fees
apply now the Auckland Harbor Bridge situation. It's going to
be closed tomorrow in Auckland, obviously tomorrow morning for a
march and support of Palestine. NZTA and the police are
shutting down the southbound lanes of the bridge so that
protesters can safely cross from the north shore onto the
city side and then gather at Victoria Park. Morris Williamson

(03:25):
is an Auckland City councilor for Howick Warden is with us.
Hey Morris, good afternoon, Heather. It's smart idea or not?

Speaker 4 (03:31):
No, Look, my concern is why does it have to
close one of the major transport arterial routes in Auckland.
And when you've some of the arguments been while there's
not much traffic on a Saturday, that's so wrong in Auckland.
You can find parts of Auckland where there are more
cars on a Saturday than there are during the weekdays.
I'm not against them having a protest. I was a

(03:53):
protester against the Vietnam War. I think it's good that
you protest, but there are plenty of locations you can
hold it to get your point to wy to show
the volumes of people, to have your placards up, but
to not cause inconvenience to a huge number of people,
and there are going to be a massive number of
both motorists and Auckland Transporter put out a big notification
about the disruption to the public transport network and just

(04:16):
for why it doesn't need to be on the bridge.
It can be well, Victoria Park is a good one,
but there's plenty of others and I was very disappointed.

Speaker 3 (04:25):
Yeah, the fact that it's on, the fact that it's
on the bridge and will cause maximum disruption is the
reason that they're doing it right to get maximum publicity,
isn't it.

Speaker 4 (04:33):
Well, that's not what should be the case. They've got
a very big argument about the case they're protesting for.
Make their case for it. It'll get the news no
matter what. But the idea that you cause disruption to
a huge cohort of Auckland is wanting to move about
the city on their day and do business. I think
it'll actually cost them support. There'll be people who would

(04:54):
have been in support of their cause, whatever that may be.
I'm not taking a position on the cause. I'm just
saying don't do it that does massive disruption. So I
actually first of all asked at is this you guys,
and they said no, we don't do anything with state highways,
which I knew. So went talking to New Zealand Transport
Agency and said did you make this decision? And I

(05:15):
was told we said no. We said no, you can't
close the bridge. The bridge is for traffic and has
to be kept like that. And then we got an
intervention from the police who said, in order for maintaining
civil obedience and so on, we are giving you a
direction that you do have to close the bridge.

Speaker 3 (05:34):
So the police have overridden NZTA.

Speaker 4 (05:37):
Here, yes, and I made it very clear. I checked
that twice and NCTA's response to me was no, we
said no to the closing of the bridge, and it
was the police who told us we needed to close it.

Speaker 3 (05:48):
Do you think the police have made the wrong decision?

Speaker 4 (05:50):
Well, yes I do. And again not to do with
the cause, because there'll be some people say, oh, because
you're not supporting our cause. It would be any protest
if it was the teachers or of was whatever, or
go back to the nineteen seventies in my Vietnam protest.
I am okay with protesting, and I'm okay with making
a big strong But these people who glue themselves to
main thoroughfare of roads and stock everybody going but at

(06:13):
their business, I object to that, and I most certainly
object to closing down the Harbor Bridge just so that
you can get your view about a particular issue and
inconvenience a huge number of other people.

Speaker 3 (06:25):
Morris, listen, thanks very much for your view. Appreciated. That's
Morris Williamson Auckland City Counselor. The police have said that
they will be with us after five o'clock. We've got
Stefan Cigar. I'm just making that is m factor's name.
I'm just double checking that. I was Sega Cigar.

Speaker 5 (06:41):
No.

Speaker 3 (06:41):
I heard him say cigar. Now the German's trying to
correct me. I think if we know one of us
can speak English properly, it's me. She's German. I heard
him say this. I heard Sam the producer say it's cigar,
like something you smoke. Anyway, I've got completely sidetracked here,
Steph and Cigar, the acting white to Matar District Commander
is going to be with us after five o'clock, so
we will ask them as to whether they've overridden the NZTA. Here,

(07:02):
Can I just really quickly say say a happy birthday
to somebody who's very important? Aileen Emily carrs New Zealand's
oldest living person, has turned one hundred and twelve today.
She is celebrating. She's probably actually, to be fair, it's
quarter past four, so she's done the afternoon tea celebration
at the Rest Home in Palmiston, AUTH. They made treats
from her own recipe book. They did dancing and singing,

(07:23):
guitar and stuff like that. Now is definitely gin time,
so she'll be on round two of the celebrations. She
was born in Takumau September twelve, nineteen thirteen. How many
people born before the First World War? Well, I can
answer that question for you. There are only fifty other
people living right now who are older than she is.
And a remarkable well done, Aileen. Four fifteen.

Speaker 1 (07:47):
It's the Heather to Pussy allan Drive full show podcast
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Speaker 3 (07:55):
Listen the manhunt for the killer of Charlie kirk is
still ongoing. Authorities now released a new video that hasn't
been seen before which shows a different angle, so it
appears to be sort of the opposite side of the
building that this assassin is on, and you can see
the assassin run across the roof and then lower themselves
down and then flee the scene. We'll have a chat
to Jonathan Kurzley, US correspondent in about twenty minutes time.

(08:18):
It's eighteen past four.

Speaker 1 (08:19):
Sport with tab bedlave with InPlay are eighteen bed Responsibly.

Speaker 3 (08:24):
Jason Pine host a weekend sport is with us. Hello Piney,
Hello Heather. Right, So what's the conditions for tomorrow night's game?

Speaker 6 (08:32):
Well, it's beautiful at the moment in Wellington. That'll come
as no surprise to anybody from the Wellington region. It's
a perfect day. I think it's meant to rain a
bit tomorrow, but then clear bit are wind around. I
don't think conditions are going to play a part. It's
not going to be terrible. I think you know that'll
be something that doesn't come into the equation tomorrow night.

Speaker 5 (08:51):
So that's a good start, isn't it.

Speaker 3 (08:53):
Yeah, Well it is nice because the conditions were really
part of the game. I would have thought on Saturday,
what do you think the All Blacks are work? What
have they been working on the last week?

Speaker 5 (09:02):
Scrums will be one thing.

Speaker 6 (09:04):
The way that the spring Box pushed them off their
own ball was equal parts alarming and embarrassing. I think
for the All Blacks, no Ford pack likes to be
bossed around like that. So Scott Barrett at the Captain's
run media conference a short time ago said that was
one thing that they'd definitely been working on. I think
they know they're going to get an aerial assault again.

(09:25):
The Springboks are going to kick and kick often, so
the likes of Damien McKenzie, Will Jordan and Test debutant
Leroy Carter I'm sure will have been doing plenty of
plenty of high ball activity. But what I'd like to
see Heather is a bit more ambition as well, a
bit more I don't know, some back line moves. I
know it's a tight game in South Africa make it
hard to do that, but I'd like to see some

(09:47):
flowing All Blacks back line moves. I might be I
might be perhaps being a bit optimistic there, but be
nice to think that we could do that tomorrow night
as well.

Speaker 3 (09:55):
Yeah, and what are you expecting from the Warriors vi
the Panthers?

Speaker 6 (10:00):
For the Warriors, that's what I'm expecting, a win for
the Wars against the Panthers. I know that's not the
favored view among most people, but I kind of feel
as though I'm gonna sit in the camp that says,
on their day, the Warriors can beat anybody, and I'm
just hoping that tomorrow is their day.

Speaker 5 (10:16):
The Panthers are a good team.

Speaker 6 (10:17):
We know that, so won the last four, but they
haven't quite scaled those heights this year. That's the reason
they're they're in seventh place and not nearer the top.
But yeah, I think, look, the Warriors have the ability.
Absolutely they can win it. The crowd's going to get
behind them. Look, I think they'll be desperate to elongate
their season and so for what it's worth and probably

(10:38):
to jinx them, I've got them.

Speaker 5 (10:39):
Winning a narrow one tomorrow night at go Media.

Speaker 3 (10:42):
Heather, Honey, what are the Warriors to the Panthers? You know,
I mean the Panthers to the Warriors. The Panthers are
kind of, you know, a difficult team. Are the Warriors.
Will the Panthers likely come out at being a little
complacent or no.

Speaker 4 (10:55):
Not at all.

Speaker 6 (10:55):
No, they I think everybody sees the Warriors as a
dangerous team. They know that they're consistent, and perhaps their
danger comes from that inconsistency. You don't know from one
week to the next what you're going to get when
you face the Warriors. You might get a side that
you know, ship's sixty points against the Titans to a
bottom of the table, or you might get a tema
turns around and beats one of the teams at the top.
And I think that's what makes them dangerous. I don't

(11:17):
think the Panthers will be complacent. They'll be confident, of course,
but I'm hoping that I'll get a surprise tomorrow night.
And the and the Warrior is the you know the
Shobas Warriors. We love well, we'll sharp.

Speaker 3 (11:27):
Hey is Brian to all playing?

Speaker 5 (11:30):
He is?

Speaker 3 (11:32):
Have you followed what he's been up to?

Speaker 5 (11:35):
No? This is used to me?

Speaker 7 (11:36):
Is that?

Speaker 5 (11:37):
No? Tell me?

Speaker 3 (11:38):
So he's with Drongo obviously, and so his mates have
been winning awards and stuff, and he's been posting at
the bottom of each of the awards basically sexualizing comments
about each of their girlfriends.

Speaker 1 (11:50):
Oh dear heah, yeah he has.

Speaker 3 (11:52):
So I'm stoked that he's playing because now now I'm
going to be able to cop an eye full of
this character.

Speaker 8 (11:57):
All right.

Speaker 3 (11:57):
That well, that's nice to tell you some sport for once, Piney.

Speaker 6 (12:01):
I'm not sure it's exactly sports news, but I feel educated.

Speaker 3 (12:05):
Yeah, sports adjacent. That's some Jason Pine host a weekend
sports Shall I tell.

Speaker 9 (12:10):
You about it?

Speaker 3 (12:11):
I was, I was tossing. I was like, oh shit, yeah, gone,
then I will. I'll tell you about it later on
you want, I'll tell you about it next thing on it.
We'll get the details up, talk about it soon.

Speaker 1 (12:20):
Four twenty two hard questions, strong opinion here the dupaicy
Ellen drive with one New Zealand tand of power of
satellite mobile news talks'd.

Speaker 3 (12:29):
Be ummm okay, So this is what happened. What happened
is that they were having some they were having some
awards e thing for the NRL, and Nathan Cleary was
announced as the Move Cartwright Medal winner for the club's
Best and fairest or what. I don't even know what
this meant. I don't even because I'm new to I'm
new rugby Leage's now my favorite sport, but I am

(12:51):
new to it, so I don't know what all the
awards are and stuff. Anyway, so it goes up on
the Panthers Instagram account and then old mate to or
jumps on it, and underneath, looking at the picture of
Nathan Clary, he goes the Fowler Slayer. And what that
is a reference to is that Nathan Clary's girlfriend is
Mary Fowler. So he's slaying Fowler. Do you get it? Yeah?
So then Tom Jenkins is up in the photographs and

(13:14):
he comments at the bottom Jessrecker, I'm guessing that the
girlfriend's name is Jess. And then matt Ethan Hooth whatever
he gets the comment Holly destroyer. You see where this
is going. And then Scott Sorenson is up and he's
the ol smasher like the kid's not that bright, right,
But anyway, the Panthers are not happy about it. People
are dismayed by this. They're like, oh no, and what

(13:35):
off color jokes? And so now the Panthers have called
on ma and they're like talent, Brian, why have you
done this? And he's I was sober, which you know
is I would say at the stage it's I was wrecked,
that's truly drunk, because I think that would make the
situation better, Like these are not good sober jokes anyway,
So they want an explanation. All it is I just
only I don't even think it's that bigger deal. And

(13:58):
what it is is just more evidence if you need it,
that my new favorite sport is unfortunately overly populated by
people who have very low IQs. It would appear four
twenty six together.

Speaker 10 (14:08):
Do for self whether I.

Speaker 3 (14:09):
Agree the Flying Fox? What about some of the new slides.
They're not steep enough for a kid to slide, so
they need to use their hands and legs to move,
or you have to rescue them halfway up, Trevor, what
a disaster getting stuck up? Guess what though? Guess what?
So I finished talking about the Flying Fox, and then
producer Libby goes, what did you say to me? Libby?

Speaker 11 (14:28):
I said, I grew up on that flying Fox.

Speaker 3 (14:30):
Libby grew up on that flying Fox? And Libby, was
it as slow as it looked to me? Yes, it
is a slow one.

Speaker 11 (14:36):
It's it's not a fast one. No, I wouldn't ever
ever have described it that way.

Speaker 3 (14:40):
No, like it's it's it's above average slow, isn't it.
And also the most problematic part of the Flying Fox
was what.

Speaker 11 (14:49):
That you would get stuck coming back and bring you
back down and you'd be stuck over the little stream.
Someone would have to hook you back so you could
actually get off.

Speaker 3 (14:56):
Yeah, so you'd just be dangling there, would you and
then yeah, and then and then they'd have to pull
you back or you get your feet wet.

Speaker 11 (15:02):
Your friend would reach out for your leg.

Speaker 3 (15:04):
Yeah, because if you got don't tell the council. Because
if you got your feet wet and it's Wellington, you
know it's always winter there, you die of hypothermia. Undoubtedly
you would end up dying of hypothermia and then the
council would have to deal with it. Libby, thank you.

Speaker 7 (15:15):
There you go.

Speaker 3 (15:15):
We've got firsthand, literally got a witness. We rest our case.
The Flying Fox needs to stay here the Saturday morning
sports all over Auckland. It should not be allowed. Why
are they strong arming us? Not good enough? That's from Sam.
That's about the Harbor Bridge thing. We'll talk about this
a little bit more because there's more to consider, because
it's quite windy and Auckland. That that's a problem, isn't it.
News is nextst.

Speaker 1 (15:40):
Digging deeper into the day's headlines. It's Heather duplicy Ellen
drive with one New Zealand coverage like no one else
news talks.

Speaker 12 (15:49):
They'd be.

Speaker 3 (15:54):
Always all right, yous just and the organizers of that
bridge walk across the Auckland Harbor, this is the pro
Palestine bridge walk, have just canceled it for tomorrow. The
problem is the weather. The wind speed is up and
this is not you know, if anybody in Auckland will
tell you it's not altogether unexpected because it is a

(16:14):
fair but windy and you know, when it's windy, we
do we we don't like to go outside in Auckland.
So because you know, they close Cornwall Park, they shut
down the bridge, they do things like that anyway, So
these guys have been and from what I understand, there
has been some you know, advice from authorities to the
guys wanting to walk across that it actually is not
safe to walk across in these wind speeds. So what

(16:36):
they've decided to do instead is tomorrow they're going to
be walking from Ltia Square to Victoria Park. They will
still walk across the bridge at some stage, but they
will postpone it and announce the date later on. We're
going to speak to the cops about it after five.
Jonathan Kurzley standing by out of the US and barriosopas
with us. In ten minutes twenty four away from five.

Speaker 1 (16:53):
It's the world wires on news dogs they'd be drive.

Speaker 3 (16:57):
Video released by the FBI shows a man climbing from
a roof and fleeing the scene moments after the shooting
of Charlie Kirk. Law enforcement have received more than seven
thousand tips. It's the largest number since the Boston Marathon
bombing in twenty thirteen. Utah Governor Spencer Cox issued a
stern warning to the killer.

Speaker 13 (17:13):
But I want to make it crystal clear right now
to whoever did this, we will find you, we will
tray you, and we will hold you accountable to the
furthest extent of the law. And I just want to
remind people that we still have the death penalty here
in the state of Utah.

Speaker 3 (17:29):
Brazil's former president Bolsonaro is facing the rest of his
life behind bars for plotting a military coup after losing
the twenty twenty two election, Secretary of State Marco Rubio
says the US will respond accordingly to the quote witch
hunt against him, and Trump responded to the guilty verdict.

Speaker 1 (17:43):
That's very surprising that that could happen. That's very much
like they tried to do with me, but they didn't
get away with it at all.

Speaker 3 (17:50):
And finally, there's a band called Bionic and the Wires,
and it's got a member who's a fun guy, and
I was like, literally, it's fun guy. Like fungi mushrooms
operate musical instruments through electrical signals that are converted into
movement on a machine. And here's an example.

Speaker 13 (18:12):
He can.

Speaker 1 (18:16):
It's being called SPOT or International Correspondence with Ends and
Eye Insurance Peace of Mind for New Zealand Business.

Speaker 3 (18:24):
Jonathan Curves, the US correspondent with US. Hi, Jonathan Heather,
Hello again to you and all the isn't it now
that person jumping off the roof? I mean I looked
at that and thought that person's had some sort of
military training. What do you think?

Speaker 14 (18:38):
Yeah, I mean, you certainly seem to think that.

Speaker 15 (18:41):
The longer this.

Speaker 14 (18:41):
Goes on, the way that they acted at the scene,
the sort of clues they have laid around that. There
is certainly a coordinated level of thinking and planning behind this.
They have fled the scene out the back, scaled down
the roof, almost Spider Man style, jumping off, and then
walking and running across a car park road into a

(19:02):
wooded area to dump the firearm right there and leave
behind supposedly some sort of scrawlings on the cartridges of
the bolt action hunting style rifle that was used to
kill Charlie Kirk. The images that they've released show him
wearing a military style Veterans T shirt, a navy cap
with a white triangle on it, and at the moment

(19:23):
though that is all the information that police really have,
the essential lead investigator locally on the ground is essentially
saying they have no idea where he could be, and
that is obviously going to be of some significant concern.
That is why the authorities are pointing out they've had
seven thousand tips. That is why they are saying they
want more to come forward. And you heard that grab

(19:45):
from Spencer Cox. They're reminding the gunman that they do
have the death penalty in Utah. And the US President
Donald Trump, well, he's certainly trying to make sure that
even though that there is no motive public from the
police and the FBI is yet he's certainly framing it
very much as a political assassination.

Speaker 3 (20:05):
Yeah, I find what I find is very interesting right
now was watching the number of people who are coming
out making frankly quite stupid comments about Charlie Kirk and
losing their positions as a result.

Speaker 14 (20:15):
Have you been following this, Yeah, exactly, You've seen a
number of them. I mean the latest one that we've
seen in the last hour, so is this calls for
a secret service agents to be fired after they claimed
that the assassination was calmer for Charlie Kirk, somebody who
was an advocate of free speech. And it's these sorts
of comments that are fueling the right by saying this
is the left trying to stir up conflict, trying to,

(20:39):
in the words of some right wing commentators, be at war. Now,
that is the last thing that this country wants. It
is a nation that is already deeply divided, and that
golf is only growing by the day. We've seen fights
in Idaho after somebody shouted Charlie Kirk profanities. We've seen
a bomb threat at the headquarters of the DNC, the
Democratic Party in Washington, d C. It is a very

(21:02):
anxious time from the President of the United States of America.
The words we heard today was not one of unity,
was not one of calm, but of warnings to what
he called the radical left that he must stop them,
essentially in carrying out what he views as causing assassinations

(21:22):
like the one we saw yesterday.

Speaker 3 (21:24):
Yeah. Hey, now we've had this thing developing where Lord
Mandelsson has has obviously left the post, and we've got
Trump heading over to the UK and it's the Epstein stone.
Is this going to make the whole Trump? Is it
really awkward?

Speaker 14 (21:37):
Well, I mean it could. I mean you've had Lord
Mandalston standing side by side with the US President inside
the Oval Office when they've been talking about the US
UK trade deals. Lord Mandilson resigning over his associations with
Jeffrey Epstein. The Epstein sagary is something Donald Trump has
not been able to get away from for weeks and
weeks and weeks. Now, the last thing he is going

(21:59):
to want to do is to go on a state
visit invited by the royal family, stand alongside the King
and Camilla and the Prime Minister Sekir Starmer and be
asked about the Epstein files. This is the last thing
he wants. He wants the invite to be all about history,
making the first US president to be given two state visits.

Speaker 15 (22:22):
Yet you can.

Speaker 14 (22:22):
Imagine, given the political climate in the United Kingdom and
the question still circling over the Epstein files and the
lack of them being made public, despite the wishes of
some in the Republican Party, that this could very well
be a difficult time, a difficult couple of days, if
indeed they wind up do taking questions over the course
of this today visit.

Speaker 3 (22:44):
Jonathan, good to talk to you, mate, Thank you so much.
We'll talk to you again soon. That's Jonathan Kursley, US correspondent,
eighteen away from five ever Ellen, Oh, secondary teachers, I
need to get you crosses. Okay. So the secondary teachers
have rejected the government's payoffer, which means that they are
going to implement that strike. We already know the kind
of rough outline of the strike because it's been the
details have been floating around for about a week or so.

(23:06):
But they have now confirmed they're going to do it.
So how it's going to play out next week. Is
this On Monday they're not teaching years twelve and thirteen's.
On Tuesday they're not teaching year elevens. On Wednesday they're
not teaching year tens, and on Thursday they're not teaching
year nine. Now, I want to know. I have a
vague feeling. What I'm interested in here basically is do

(23:28):
they have the public support I do have. I have
a feeling in my waters about this, but I want
to confirm it. So can you let me know on
the text whether you support the teachers here or whether
this is just going to absolutely get your goat because
the kids at home next week? Nine two is the
nine two nine two is the text number? Really quickly,
I just want to talk about the Marti party now.
Something funny is going on in the Mardi party because

(23:49):
Madam and a Kapa KINGI who's the whip, got stood
down right and she spoken to the Herald about it.
She is basically just saying nothing about it. Seems kind
of if I can read between the lines, seems of
a little surprised. But as well as that takout, Ferris
has now basically tripled down on his comments. He's not storry. Sorry,
it's at all stuff caught up in the at the

(24:09):
airport last night, and he defended both of his previous
posts and then actually basically repeated his views.

Speaker 16 (24:15):
The post isn't an attack or anything like that on
multicultural New Zealand. It's an attack on the way that
the major parties in this country use multicultural New Zealand
to diminish MALDI rights.

Speaker 3 (24:29):
So then the question was asked, well, if you're not
sorry for it, why did your leaders say that you
were sorry? And he kind of tried to do the
whole Oh, it is, Everything's fine, wasn't. I wasn't entirely convinced.

Speaker 16 (24:40):
Look, it's been a very busy few weeks. We've all
been together maybe twice in the last few weeks, so
I mean, you know, nailing that all down or ironing
it all out, it's a work in progress obviously, but
the debate, you know, the issue is the issue, and
the debate is the debate.

Speaker 3 (24:57):
Yeah, we'll get Barry's opers take on it when he's
with us. Right after this break sixteen away from.

Speaker 1 (25:01):
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Speaker 3 (25:06):
Oh oh, I need to talk to you about the
woman who got stung for the twenty seven second car park.
You've got to hear this. It's nuts thirteen away from
five Barry Soapers with me High Barry Good afternoon, Heather,
Now Barry So. We've had the standoff for the Cooks resolved?

Speaker 7 (25:18):
No, we haven't. Interestingly, we saw Chris Luxon with Mark Brown.
They seem to be getting on quite well, but the
standoff remains that it seems that the two leaders have
left it for officials to sort out, which I find
quite surprising. Mark Brown has simply been unavailable up until now.

(25:40):
He had to obviously talk to Chris Luxon at the
Pacific Islands Forum. So they did talk, but was it cordial?
Looked cordial, I've got to say, but it didn't really
resolve anything. And the Cook Islands are still being very
shady about the deal that they did with China. Interestingly,
the big players like China and the US were banned

(26:01):
by Honi Aarra from the Pacific Islands Forum this year,
and normally they have observer's status. So they say that
they wanted to concentrate on things in the Pacific rather
than looking at the wider picture. But I would have thought,
now is the very time that you want dialogue with
the big players like China and the US. But anyway,

(26:24):
they were reminded of China's influence because the Pacific Islands
Forum was right next door to the mammoth ten thousand
seat National Stadium, built at a cost of one hundred
and seven million dollars by the Chinese and Hollyara. Now
back in twenty nineteen, Taiwan had originally offered to build

(26:47):
that stadium, but they would have to the Solomon Islands
would have to pay the money back, so China jumped
in and built it for them. So certainly the presence
of Beijing was very much to the four in Honi Arah,
but without any representation.

Speaker 3 (27:03):
Interesting, now, you weren't here yesterday when we were discussing
Stuart Nash, So what do you reckon? What's your take
on whether he has a future at New Zealand.

Speaker 7 (27:10):
First, I think, look, Winston Peters. Even though Stuart Nash
has made a groveling apology for what was a very
unfortunate comment he made about what a woman is, I mean,
for goodness sake, I understand that his wife's very upset
about it. Not surprisingly, Winston Peters. Though it's a bit

(27:31):
like water off a duck's back in a way because
I watched him with the media and how he handled it.
He's not Stuart Nash's keeper, or certainly at the moment
he's not. And I think given watching Winston Peters and
I know him pretty well, I don't think this is
going to stand in the way. It's Stuart Nash getting
the nod for New Zealand first at the next election.

Speaker 3 (27:51):
What's going on in the Maori Party? Something funny is
all on here?

Speaker 7 (27:54):
Well? Absolutely, the Takuta fires stuff is just pauling. And
he tripled down as you played some audio from him
at the airport last night. I don't know where this
man's head is at, and I certainly don't know where
his head was at at midnight when he made the

(28:15):
the video in a darkened room, which was rather strange.
But look Madame and a cappakinghi, you know, her being
stood down as the whip and being taken by de Wi.

Speaker 3 (28:29):
Wrote I just finished a sentence, Oh.

Speaker 7 (28:32):
Thank you very much for because you know exactly what
I'm going to say. But but yeah, and she seemed
very disappointed that she had lost that whips job. It
was worth an extra twenty grand paypack. Thing that surprises
me really is where were the Maori Party this week?
They put on a fleeting visit to Parliament and apparently

(28:56):
they were out on their electorates. Didn't anybody tell them
that Parliament was umed after a recess this week.

Speaker 3 (29:02):
I don't know why you're upset about this. They never
turn up.

Speaker 7 (29:05):
Well, they should turn up being paid by the tax
payer to represent Mardy in Parliament. If they're not there,
who are they representing?

Speaker 3 (29:13):
Well, this is a fair really quickly, I've got only
about thirty seconds, but I do want your take on
the Greens wanting the Mardi Ward referendum delayed.

Speaker 7 (29:21):
What do you think, Well, I don't know why they
wrote to the Electoral Commission because they have nothing to
do with the local body elections. That was a woman
that should know better, the former mayor of Wellington. But look,
there's about four councils that haven't put the profiles of
the candidates standing for the Marii Awards on the ballot papers.

(29:43):
Now you know that is a big o mission, but
forty two councils have to now go to referendum and
put it to the people whether they want mari A Wards,
that'll still go ahead.

Speaker 3 (29:55):
Brilliant Barry, thanks very much. We'll wrap the political week
that was the quarter past six. Barry Soaper, senior political
c correspondent, eight away from five, putting.

Speaker 1 (30:02):
The tough questions to the news bakers The mic Asking.

Speaker 9 (30:05):
Breakfast the National Curriculum refresh. Education Minister Ericus Stanford is
with us, why these specific subjects and how do you
choose them?

Speaker 17 (30:12):
Well, the Ministry of Education have given me quite a
lot of advice. But there's also some of things that
we've been talking about for a very long time, like Civics,
but we've never done and there's been many groups have
called for a Civics to be taught in our schools
and so that was a no brainer.

Speaker 9 (30:24):
Growing pushback that appears to be building around general changes
too in CEA, is this a fight building?

Speaker 17 (30:30):
No, I don't think so.

Speaker 18 (30:31):
I think actually things that shifting.

Speaker 17 (30:33):
I was talking to our principle yesterday who said a
lot many of the principals who signed that original letter
now have changed their minds, which is encouraging.

Speaker 9 (30:40):
Back Monday from six am, The mic Asking Breakfast with
Mayley's Real Estate News.

Speaker 3 (30:44):
Talk z b Oh, Well, I've got my answer on
whether people support the teachers a lot, Heather, No, I
don't support the teachers. No, don't support the teachers. Hither
I support the teachers. Hither I get to go skiing
with my daughter, that's cool. Whither if the teachers want
to go on strike, they should do so during the holidays.
Lolls here. The teachers lost my support months ago to
too greedy and poor results don't justify what they demand.

(31:07):
No support for teachers rejecting that offer as a joke.
Nurses would have accepted it in a heartbeat, and goes
on and on and on like this. Oh, as a
parent of children at high school, I fully support teachers.
I guess your children are over fourteen years old, because
that'll be the difference. Say, It'll be the ones kids
under fourteen who can't stay home. The parents are going
a Lord, I'm going to tear my hair out because

(31:29):
someone now has to take a day off work. This
is the thing that I wanted about, because I was
thinking for a lot of parents right now who just
trying to, you know, I don't know, get some work
done in school time and turn up to the office.
This must be really grinding the gears that people who
are going on strik are the very people who've got

(31:50):
three months and you will leave every single year. Anyway,
we're going to talk to the PPTA about it shortly
after five o'clock. I was going to tell you about
this woman who parked for twenty seven seconds and then
got a nearly five hundred dollar bill, but I don't
have the time, so I'm going to tell you about
that shortly. But you'll want to hear it because if
you hate parking companies already, mate, mate, you're gonna hate

(32:11):
them more after this. Now Wellington is angsting, I'm told,
like really angsting, really freaking out, rarely freaking out, because
some people want to mine for gold in the hills
right next to Zelandier, the sacred place in Wellington, and
it's you know how Wellington is They like geez, I
mean the highest proportion of conservationists in one place. Ah,

(32:33):
I reckon. Anyway, So we're going to talk to this
evil person who's got a permit to mine gold. It's
going to be with us shortly. Stand By News TALKSZ'DB.

Speaker 1 (32:57):
Pressing the newsmakers to get the real story. It's Heather
dupu Clan drive with One New Zealand to coverage like
no one else Newstalk Vy Afternoon.

Speaker 3 (33:08):
Organizers have called off the Garza protest across Auckland's Harbor
Bridge tomorrow. They say it's for safety reasons because of
forecast high winds. A march will still go ahead. It'll
start at Altar Square and head over to Victoria Park
in the City Central, a Central City, but organizers say
they're still committed to making that bridge march happen, just
on another day. Stephan Cigar is the relieving Wata Matar

(33:29):
District commander and with us he Stephan afternoon heaven have
they made the right call here?

Speaker 19 (33:36):
Ah, Yes, absolutely and acknowledge the organizers have taken our advice. Afternoon.
We're expecting some pretty big gust winds tomorrow, seventy commus plus,
so it's just not a feasible environment for pedestrians on
the bridge tomorrow.

Speaker 3 (33:54):
Is it still open to cars?

Speaker 19 (33:57):
Yes, as far as on were it's still open to
cave Okay.

Speaker 3 (34:00):
Now, is it the case that police that n z
t A originally said no to this, to opening the
bridge to the protesters and police overrode that decision.

Speaker 19 (34:09):
No, that's not quite correct. No permit was issued to
the organizers and n ct referred them back to us.
But when you have twenty thousand plus and people intent
on crossing the bridge, you were left with, you know,
balancing out sort of maintaining safety of everyone involved and

(34:34):
fatilitating a peaceful protest. So that was sort of the
problem we were faced and have been working with those
organizers over the last few weeks to plan our response.

Speaker 3 (34:44):
So let me get this right. So z t A
did not issue them a permit.

Speaker 19 (34:49):
No, that's great correct, Which.

Speaker 3 (34:51):
Is that nz TA said no.

Speaker 19 (34:55):
N CTA have referred them back to us.

Speaker 3 (34:57):
Yes, no per and then they came to you and
you I said yes.

Speaker 19 (35:04):
So we're left with that problem of twenty thousand people
who are quite intent crossing the bridge what we're seeing
internationally in Australia, but significant numbers turned out for that
purpose recently, and so we needed to make a plan
on how to best facilitate those protesters or sorry, those demonstrators.

Speaker 3 (35:29):
Isn't what are you saying to me that they would
have crossed regardless, Like if you guys had said no,
they would have just gathered and done it.

Speaker 4 (35:35):
Well.

Speaker 19 (35:35):
Look, our primate role is the safety of everyone involved,
and that's motorists please stuff. And the people are planning
to walk, so we would need to put in place
plans around that. And on this particular occasion, we were
planning for potential for facilitation across the bridge.

Speaker 3 (35:54):
Why would you need to shut down the entire like
the whole southbound lanes Rather the Aukland Marathon just shuts
a couple, doesn't it.

Speaker 19 (36:03):
Yes, so obviously the northbound lanes were we're still operating.
But what we've learnt and the advice from INTOTA is
that the clip on lanes there is they termed, aren't
actually designed for pedestrian traffic and so there's some dangerous
that and so we needed to use the center span.

Speaker 3 (36:24):
I see, Okay, Hey, thanks to Stephan, I appreciate it.
Stefan Sega relieving White to Matar District Commander Heather Do
for c Ellen. So, yet another round of destructive disruptive
strikes has been announced, this time from the secondary school teachers.
They're going to hold rolling strikes from Monday to Thursday
after rejecting the Education Ministry's new payoffer. Chris Abercrombie is
the president of the pp T. A Hey, Chris, how

(36:45):
are you. I'm very well, thank you.

Speaker 7 (36:46):
So what was the.

Speaker 3 (36:46):
Proportion of support for the decision to go ahead and strike.

Speaker 8 (36:51):
Overwhelming support from our teachers to do this industrial action,
to reject the offer and engage.

Speaker 20 (36:57):
In industrial election.

Speaker 3 (36:58):
What is overwhelming?

Speaker 5 (37:00):
We don't release our figures.

Speaker 8 (37:01):
It's just one of our policies, but it was overwhelming
support for the rejection of the offer and for the
industrial action.

Speaker 3 (37:07):
Okay, why are you refusing to agree to the callback days?
Why is that a sticking point?

Speaker 5 (37:13):
Or was this one of many sticking points?

Speaker 8 (37:15):
There's issues around partial care, around support for curriculum leads,
et cetera.

Speaker 5 (37:21):
So it's just one of many areas that still needs
some work.

Speaker 3 (37:24):
Okay, But what's the problem with the callback days?

Speaker 5 (37:28):
Well, there's two aspects to it.

Speaker 8 (37:29):
One is the increase, so it's a callback on our terms,
and the other is that they're taking away the re
embarrassment of expenses related to that.

Speaker 3 (37:36):
Okay, So if the expenses came back, would it be okay,
would you agree to the callback days?

Speaker 8 (37:43):
Well, it would be up to our members to decide that,
but that is a key part of it is something.

Speaker 5 (37:46):
That the teachers of visiting schools literally today.

Speaker 8 (37:50):
Is one of the key things teachers that told me
about is they're concerned around the callback days, the removal
of reimburrassements, but also the lack of government to recognize
partial care allowances, curriculum leeds.

Speaker 5 (38:00):
Et cetera.

Speaker 3 (38:01):
Okay, because it was am I getting this right? It
was ten to eighteen days. Currently ten callback days would
be moved to eighteen.

Speaker 5 (38:07):
Yes, that's that's the current level from the government.

Speaker 3 (38:09):
And these are Chris days that teachers are already paid
to work. The only request is that they are paid
to work in the office, not at home those days.
Is that correct?

Speaker 8 (38:19):
It's anytime the school's closed for instruction, so anytime after
four thirty or weekends or holidays.

Speaker 3 (38:26):
Yes, but they are as in those are days that
the teachers are already paid and they would be simply
required to be at school on days that they are paid.

Speaker 8 (38:34):
Well, not necessarily the case sometimes yes, but like not
paid for satur days, not paid for evenings.

Speaker 3 (38:41):
Do they ever happen on a Saturday?

Speaker 8 (38:44):
Or they might do that, that's the thing they could
do that. So it's and it does say again in
evenings as well. So it's not just as clear cut
as as you want it to be.

Speaker 3 (38:56):
Thank you, Chris, Chris, have a crom VPVTA President thirteen
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you have to pay the tariff and so on. Anyway,
let's talk to Travis next. Travis. Travis has been given
permission to mine in the hills above Wellington fourteen past five.
They say in Spain, rain falls mainly on the plains.
Here in New Zealand, though ranges falls everywhere, doesn't it.
We have rain on all of the terrain. So with

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Speaker 1 (40:26):
Heather do for see Allen.

Speaker 3 (40:28):
Here the why don't we just give teachers four weeks
leave like the rest of us, and then this problem
would disappear. That's a problem solver right there. Thank you, Deborah,
seventeen past five. Now there's a bit of angst and
Wellington because MB is currently considering a number of applications
from people who want to explore for gold right next
to Zelandier. One permit has already been issued and it's

(40:48):
been issued to Travis MacKaye High. Travis, Hey, mate, I'm
very well, thank you. So are you going to do
some mining? Are you?

Speaker 7 (40:55):
No?

Speaker 12 (40:55):
I wouldn't call it mining so much, but I would
if you under some painting.

Speaker 3 (40:59):
You're going to do some panning?

Speaker 20 (41:01):
Yeah?

Speaker 12 (41:02):
Do you think we don't have any interest in doing
any mining or like digging up the land to pull
out minerals to destroy something that we came here to enjoy.

Speaker 7 (41:10):
That would be stupid.

Speaker 3 (41:12):
Your permit is just for panning, is it at the moment?

Speaker 12 (41:15):
For panning? But we are going for the next level
of permit, but that's for a different that's for a
different purposes because we have a mining R and D
company and that company is exploring different ways of non destructive,
non toxic ways of recovering minerals. So yeah, very difficulty.
It's a stent sort of sluices. So just because you're

(41:35):
getting all the signs right and anything else and it works out,
you can get the fines out without having to use
mercury and things like that.

Speaker 3 (41:41):
Oh right, okay, are you Are you convinced that there's
gold there?

Speaker 12 (41:47):
There's gold everywhere, and it's in all the Greek that's
where there's allvial gold pretty much everywhere any we're with
there's a mineral spring that feeds up through whatever. Then
that's that. There's that there gold there, But it's there's
no more here than there is anywhere us.

Speaker 3 (42:01):
Is there enough gold to sort of make a living
off or is it just for a bit of a hole?

Speaker 21 (42:04):
Oh?

Speaker 12 (42:04):
Absolutely absolutely not. This is costom your fortune.

Speaker 3 (42:07):
Why are you doing in Travis?

Speaker 12 (42:10):
Because I like building stuff and I like to find
a better way of doing it. My son likes it,
and because it's fun. It's singing up my boy.

Speaker 3 (42:18):
Okay, So you're just the permits of people in Wellington
can sett all down. It's just a little bit of
a bit of panning and digging and nothing massive.

Speaker 12 (42:27):
Nothing massive, nothing at all. There's the last thing we
want up here. And last thing one is the whole
few people coming up here thinking that they can do
that up here, because that's not what this place is about.
The space we moved up because it's beautiful, it's an
awesome sposed to live and we have zero interested ashwing
it that anyone that comes up here thinking otherwise, and
I won't swear, but they can go away, okay.

Speaker 3 (42:44):
And even the sluicing stuff that you're going to do
when you get your next permit, that's not going to
make the place look ugly.

Speaker 7 (42:50):
Is it.

Speaker 12 (42:51):
No, it's it's the sue is a dread soluice, so
it would literally be removing as it filled one, so
I can't stuck up any fish or anything like that.
It's it's a it's a soft want to go, it's
gravity feed. It's all done, and it's quite bullying, if
in sess to myself, but it's harmless and it just
takes gravel of a creek and it pushes it down
a little bit further than the cycles back to where

(43:11):
it was. All we do really is take out the
alga and software from the creek, cleans that out and
it's this golden there. It would find it, but we
don't want to do it here anyway. This is frust
and make machines that people can use elsewhere.

Speaker 3 (43:22):
Oh okay, Travis, listen, good luck with that. Good luck
with the angst and Wellington. It's Travis McKay who's the
director of quicksand Limited here that you should be talking
about the absolute crap coverage we're giving our black ferns.
We're in the quarter finals in a Rugby World Cup.
I'm bloody disappointed, to put it mildly. Please cover them better, Heather, Muzz,
that actually is if that actually is a fair point
from you. So we're going to pop that in right now.

(43:43):
We're going to email the people on the sports Hudle
who are going to be us short now and we're
gonna be, like Muzz has said, we're talking about the
black Ferns. So consider it done and stay tuned. Five
to twenty one the.

Speaker 1 (43:52):
Day's newspeakers talk to Heather first, Heather Duplice, Ellen Drive
with One New Zealand and the power of Satellite Mobile.

Speaker 3 (44:00):
You saw said the five twenty three. By the way,
we're going to a big, big game in Wellington tomorrow.
We're going to have a chat to han Yani Shimunge,
who's a former springboker now a commentator who's going to
be with us straight after the half past five News
five to twenty three Now look, we're the resite. I
actually think police did do the right thing saying yes
to that march taking place across the harbor Bridge, which

(44:20):
will now not take place tomorrow about at a later date.
My biggest problem with it would be that it would
set a precedent, but it's actually not setting a precedent
because the president was probably already set last year by
the anti Treaty Principle's hikoy, which happened in November. And
now as a result, we are dealing with the predictable
problem of letting one protest walk across, which means that
we have to let every major protest walk across if

(44:40):
they want to. So here we find ourselves. But I
do think having said all of that, I do think
it is the right thing to do, because what it
is doing is allowing a controlled protest to take place
that will achieve what the protest organizers want, which is
big publicity to draw attention to what's happening in Gaza. Now,
a protest across the Harbour Bridge is sure a better
outcome than protest is finding other ways to get the

(45:03):
same kind of publicity. I mean, this week in Spain,
look what's happened. The protest has disrupted the Grand Tour
so many times that there is now talk that the
race may be abandoned before the final League is finished
on Sunday. I would much rather just have a march
across the harbor Bridge. A lawyer in Auckland has just
been convicted for vandalizing politicians, electorate officers and red paint,
including Christopher Luxen's. I would rather that she just put

(45:26):
down her paint and went for a march across the
harbor Bridge. In a way, the real precedent actually has
been set by Sydney where they allowed the protesters protesters
to cross their harbor Bridge in August. Now, really put
yourself in the position of the police. How could they
say no when it had already happened in Sydney? So
I know whenever this finally does happen, it's not going
to be popular. Disruptions never are popular. But all things considered,

(45:49):
with their available options, I think it was the right
thing to do.

Speaker 2 (45:52):
Hever duplicy Ellen right here we go.

Speaker 3 (45:55):
This is what happened to the woman who parked in
the car park for twenty seven seconds and then ended
up with a one hundred and seventy dollar bill. So
Lauren Phillips pulled into a laundromat car park, so the
car park is set aside for the laundromat people in
Rickerton on April twenty three. She pulled in because she
was planning to just reverse out again and head back
down the road. So she's just using it for a

(46:16):
three point turn basically, But then what were U turn
or whatever? But then basically what happened was she spotted
that there was another driver who seemed to be leaving
a spot, so she stopped her car, got out briefly
to check yep, got back into the car, reversed out.
The whole thing takes twenty seven seconds, right, she's out
of the car for fourteen seconds, and then she's back
in the car thirteen seconds, waiting for another car to

(46:37):
pull out before she pulls out. A week later, she
gets a ninety five dollar ticket in the mail from
the company that manages the car park, Parking Service Limited.
She obviously thought, well, well that's a mistake. I didn't
actually park, so she appealed it. They said no, So
then she and her husband exchange a series of emails
with Parking Services Limited disputing the ticket. Meanwhile, Parking Service

(46:59):
is Limited is charging them late fees, interest and the
cost of debt collectors, so eventually it's four hundred and
seventy dollars. So it goes to the Disputes Tribunal and
a hearing is held. When this happens last week fifth
of September, Parking Services Limited argued that she had parked
her car. It was a park. She had parked her
car because she got out of it, so that's technically
parking your car and parking for any length of time,

(47:20):
even if it is twenty seven seconds, is a breach.
The tribunal obviously rules in this woman's favor because Parking
Services Limited has lost their minds and say she's not
committed to leaving her car in the parking space, so
she doesn't have to pay anything. But what is bonkers
about that is despite the fact that everybody can see
how ridiculous this is from Parking Services Limited, they still

(47:41):
stand by their position on this. They say it's a
shame that Miss Phillips cannot understand and sympathize with our
clients and the person that pays and has rights to
use the land that they wish it to be available
for their business use. Anyway, keep an eye out for
parking services limited. My advice would be, if you get
a ticket from them and you feel like you should
dispute it, dispute it, take it, take it all the way,

(48:04):
fight them all the way, just to ruin their days. Anyway,
Let's talk sport next.

Speaker 1 (48:14):
The name you trust to get the answers you need,
it's Heather duplicl and drive with one New Zealand coverage
like no one else used talks.

Speaker 12 (48:24):
They'd be.

Speaker 17 (48:27):
To have the ware to have It.

Speaker 3 (48:33):
Looks like maybe the retailer is a What am I
talking about people going into retail starting to spend third
month in a row. We've got the card spending going up,
so we'll talk to retail New Zealand about that. After
six o'clock hither I marched across and supported the farmers
under the Jacinda regime and they only closed off two
southbound lanes. Interesting, so it wasn't the president wasn't even
set by the treaty principles March. It was set by

(48:55):
maybe even going back to the ground swell thing twenty
four away from six sports huddle is going to be
with us shortly got the second All Black Spring Box game.
Tomorrow night's happening in Wellington. All Blacks have made six
changes to the starting side. South Africa have made seven changes.
Former Springbok and Supersport commentator Hanyana Shimonge has been following
the box. Hanyana Hello, Hello, I Heather. How are you

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feeling about going in this week? Are you guys ready
for a drubbing? No?

Speaker 7 (49:23):
No, none at all.

Speaker 21 (49:25):
Look, it's it's exciting. I think in New Zealand, South Africa.
I did the commentary last year when the All Blacks
were in Cape Town. I think that cave that cave
Ton test. I've never seen a demand for tickets like
ats for any game, and it's just the respect, the rival,
the interest in this game and obviously without super Ugly,
we only see each other twice a year, so this

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is going to be one of those those occasions. You
guys got us aid E didn't park. The record stands.
But you're confident for tomorrow?

Speaker 3 (49:53):
Why why so confident?

Speaker 21 (49:56):
I think you know that the eras last week, we're twelve.
If you look at the overall statsure side the scoreboard,
the twelve entries last week into the New Zealand or thirteen.
We just didn't convert those. You go at fifty percent,
that's four or five trials, you know in New Zealand,
and they look at the differential it was a seven
point difference.

Speaker 20 (50:14):
So there are.

Speaker 21 (50:14):
Mistakes that we made last week in New Zealand were
very good. But it's stuff that is flexible within a
week and if we get it, can get our execution
right will be good.

Speaker 3 (50:23):
Do you think it was a surprise that the All
Blacks won last week? I mean, I get the feeling
judging by some of the adverts coming out of South Africa,
you guys really believed it was possible to roll the
All Blacks of even pac Yeah, if.

Speaker 21 (50:34):
If you look at it, I mean it's it's it's
you know, you gotta look at it both sides. South
Africa's won two World Cups, British and Irish Lions who
got good depth, number one team in the world, and
New Zealand team that just come off a loss against Argentina,
almost struggled against the France B team. So if in
terms of that, you know that the fourth or fifth
choice come off who played very well, you know, a

(50:54):
New Zealand team that was probably vulnerable and a South
African team that you know that's probably was prep for it,
so that's probably where the confidence came from. But again,
you know, to be to win that game in New
Zealand or to win at eden Park, you have to
be on top of your game and the Springboks probably aren't.

Speaker 3 (51:11):
What is your take because the winning in at Eden
Park has sort of given something of a reprieve to Raiser, However,
I think it will probably pack up again at the
next loss. What does your take on him looking from
the outside as a coach.

Speaker 21 (51:24):
Oh, he's an incredible coach. I think if you're a
Crusader supporter, you know Raiser has done so much in
terms for the Canterby Crusaders. I think coming into the
All Blacks, you know everyone thought it was just going
to be at an automatic step for the results he
got against Kantby to the Or Blacks where his test
match rugby is different, you know, it is completely different.
But he's a phenomenal coach. He's got a proven record.

(51:47):
You can see what he's trying to do with this
All Black Team's introduced new bladd who He's doing it slowly.
You know, he's made one or two changes and you'll
see hill style coming through and there've been glimpses of it.
So Raiser is the right guy. Is definitely the right
guy for the job. But I think New Zealand, like
South Africa, I've got a demanding, a demanding, a debanding public.

(52:08):
I think you sort of after the Argentina again, it
almost felt from a South African point of view that
the honeymoon period was over the Raiser and people started
asking the hard questions, what's going on? Why aren't we
getting the results? It was another sort of sad record
that was broken by Argentina. All Blacks had never won
in Argentina. You know, I remember stage when you never

(52:30):
saw the All Blacks lose again against Argentina. So it
was probably one of those and there was the reaction
to it. I think if they had lost in Eden
Park the thirty year record or what I think fifty
Test match record gone, then there have been real problems.
But I think the pressure rule is the international right
purely because of the legacy, the history of both teams
and what they've managed to do.

Speaker 3 (52:51):
Hanyana, it's very good to have you take on it.
Thanks Hanya Ne Himange, former Springbok and of course supersport commentator.
Coming up twenty away from six.

Speaker 1 (52:59):
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one of a kind?

Speaker 11 (53:12):
Another shower sweeps across Eden Park and the old Black
sweep over the ball.

Speaker 7 (53:17):
They just need to get it out, They just need
to get.

Speaker 8 (53:19):
It into touch back for Preston Turnerckenzie into the stands
and the old Black stuffing the Fortress.

Speaker 7 (53:28):
Twenty four seventeen, You wild on the world cut, get
back on the top of the world.

Speaker 18 (53:38):
So much of a ju to knowling t.

Speaker 3 (53:43):
Bright on the sports title. That's this evening we have
Jeff mctange's rugby commentator, Nicky Stey, a sports journalist. Hello,
you two think okay Jeffy calling the game this week?

Speaker 20 (53:54):
I'm not.

Speaker 2 (53:55):
No, I've got quite a weekend. So I've got the
Black Funds South Africa quarter final on that Saturday nights
from Sky.

Speaker 3 (54:02):
Well that's what you thought going into last week here?
How long did is it true that they gave you
forty five minute warning?

Speaker 2 (54:10):
Oh it was a bit more than that, but it
wasn't a lot of a lot of notice. So yeah,
certainly the teacher. He was, he was a bit cropped,
he had a virus. I think of some description, but.

Speaker 3 (54:25):
That earlier in the day.

Speaker 2 (54:27):
Yeah, I'm not sure you'd have to ask.

Speaker 5 (54:29):
You know what.

Speaker 3 (54:29):
I know the answer to that, Jeff. It's because he's
a man. He was like, fine, I'll be fine. And
then at about six o'clock they were like, obviously not
called Jeff. That's what happened though.

Speaker 2 (54:39):
Yeah, maybe I'm not too sure what the bosses were thinking,
but I certainly answered the call and was a pleasure
to pepe there and do the job.

Speaker 3 (54:45):
Yeah, good on you, Nikki. Now what do you reckon?
Have we got two from two for the All Blacks here?

Speaker 10 (54:50):
Yeah? I thought you were going to start with the
black fans after that text message you got here.

Speaker 3 (54:54):
I know no masses and I'm teasing muzz. I'm keeping
him because I know Mars is going to keep listening
until we talk about the the last thing.

Speaker 10 (55:01):
All right, Well let's let's tease them and good good
news style. Actually no, I'm going to go against the
All Blacks. I actually think they potentially might just let
their guard down this week. I think there was so
much riding on that game last week. You know that
the Fortress that the All Black legacy, they had to
stand up. They did stand up. And I also think

(55:22):
that South Africa won't make as many errors as they
made last week. So you know, they showed how strong
they are up front. Their scrums, you know, pushed us
back but led to one of their tries. We are
going to need big game players like the Ardie sav As,
the Boat and Barratts to step up again, and we
can't make those eras. It's going to be tight, no
doubt about that. But yeah, I'm thinking the spring Box

(55:44):
might sneak on, sneak in on this one.

Speaker 3 (55:45):
Yeah, I mean, this is the worry, isn't it, Jeff,
that that the All Blacks have played their final ready.

Speaker 21 (55:52):
O yess.

Speaker 2 (55:52):
In some ways you could look at it that way,
but I think on the other side of it, you
could also argue that the All Blacks the pressure valve
and some ways has been released. There was a lot
of anticipation and noise and expectation going into that test
at Eden Parking and rightly so, and a lot of
scrutiny of Scott Robertson and some of the players. But
I think, as Nikki said, the said Africans had better

(56:15):
of a lot of that game. You know, certainly at
scrum time. You know they bossed the All Blacks at
times and they were hand there around the park. But
I think the fact that the All Blacks managed to
get out of Eden Park with the wind and negotiate
the spring box the way that they did was very,
very impressive. So I think on the other side of
it heading to Wellington. Now with that one in the bag,

(56:35):
you look at the changes that Russia Erasmus has made.
He had two players over the age of well under
the age of thirty and that test at even Park
and now it's the other way around, just two over
the age. So's certainly looking at blooding players with a
mindset towards twenty seven Wheel Cup. So I think with
that in mind and the All Blacks wanting to make
it two from two and show that it wasn't a fluke,

(56:56):
got I think they'll be too strong.

Speaker 3 (56:58):
Hey listen, tell me quickly, nicky, what are you going
to do in your house? Are you watching the first
half of the Warriors the Panthers and then you switch over?

Speaker 20 (57:05):
Do you know what?

Speaker 3 (57:05):
All week?

Speaker 10 (57:06):
I have said to my friends, what are you doing?

Speaker 20 (57:08):
For the rugby in the league.

Speaker 10 (57:09):
What are you doing for the rugby in the league?
And all of them are are bloody busy, you know,
and it's just like this is not on. So anyway,
my husband is going off to play golf in the
afternoon's at stripped instructions. He needs to be back here
by six o'clock so that the pair of us, because
it'll just be us two, will sit down because we
are ultimately Warriors fans, you know, long suffering thirty one years,
and we would love to see them go through. And

(57:30):
if someone said to me, you've got a choice out
of one or the two winning, I would take I
would definitely take the Warriors over the All Blacks. I know,
I know what.

Speaker 3 (57:38):
Your mouth is going to make you. So what are
you doing? Are you doing one and one for the
whole Warriors game and then the second half of the
or are you watching the All Black n.

Speaker 10 (57:50):
Look, I'm going to be honest, you know, I'm going
to We're going to watch that hour and see how
it plays out closed and it's tight and it's fun. Yeah, absolutely,
we're into the hall. If we're getting pants by the panther,
then potentially, yes, we will turn it over. I would say,
that's how it goes.

Speaker 2 (58:05):
It's not a bad idea, it's a good plan. I
was thinking the same thing.

Speaker 20 (58:07):
Worries go on.

Speaker 2 (58:09):
If it's an absolute pant thing by the time the
All Blecks come to play, then we switch over to
the Test match. But otherwise, you know, just maybe just
on the phone and just sort of see how things
go so that we can multitask. Not very good at that, Yeah,
double screen.

Speaker 3 (58:22):
Then all right, guys, we'll take a little break. Come
back to you short and got to talk to netball obviously,
Nicky and Jeff's Sports Tititle Quarter two.

Speaker 1 (58:28):
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Speaker 3 (58:35):
Right, you're back with the sports huddle, Nikki starrus Jeff mctage. Now, Nikki,
what do you make of the situation with Dame Knowles.

Speaker 10 (58:42):
Well, it's a tricky one to comment on because we
don't have all the details. But from what I'm hearing,
I think there definitely is a communication breakdown, and I
don't know the problem is that do they need a
reality to check these young players. I'm pretty old school,
so my view is pretty much the same as Laura
Langman and a few You know, the even wantings of

(59:03):
this world elite sport is just that it's elite. To
get there, to stay there, you need to be tough,
you need to be thick skinned, you need to be
resilient and you don't need to crumble at the first
signs of the personal affront. And I think that that's
what we're seeing now. You could argue there has definitely
been sort of a cultural shift, and I guess the
way you can see this, Heather, is if you look

(59:26):
at all the player coach conflicts that have occurred recently.
They have been in New Zealand women's team, cycling, hockey, swimming.
Because we're emotional creatures and we and we respond to
leadership differently to men. You've only got to ask an
ex player male who goes into coaching a female top

(59:48):
level team, and they will tell you or they're quite different.
You know, they don't respond in the same way, and
you can't upset them. You've got to set them aside
and you've got to have a nice little chat. So
you know, there needs to I guess the solution is
quite You've just got to have more training, more conflict
management education for coaches, more training and communications. Yeah, that's
my take on it.

Speaker 3 (01:00:06):
Now, Jeff, I know you're not going to want to
say because you're a bloke, you're not going to be
you don't want to get involved in this lady chat.
I know that, but can you at least give me
your take them whether it's a generational problem here, you know, like,
are these players just just that they're off the generation
that doesn't like a tough.

Speaker 2 (01:00:20):
Go Well, I think firstly you have to look at
Dame Nolean's track record and the fact is twenty eighteen,
the Silver Ferns don't meddle at the Commonwealth Games. Ten
months later they want a World Cup, you know, so
she has the goods as a coach. Now, Catherine Tvat
has made a good point. You know, maybe the landscape

(01:00:40):
has changed in the last five years. I'm sure it has,
but you know that is that to sacrifice success? You know,
if you're not born New Zealand. I think, as as
Nicky says, it's like, you know, you have to start
asking those questions. Is it having a good coach that's
going to get you these results, that has a proven
track record or has the power swung too much the

(01:01:02):
way of the players, And that's a question the neat
for New Zealand needs to be asking themselves, you know,
who do we go with here? Because you know a
little bit of hard work is going to get you
somewhere if you work hard and at the first, as
you say, Nikki, at the first sign of something getting
getting a little bit tough, and again without knowing the
ins and outs and the and the and the end
of details of what's happened here, I think that is

(01:01:23):
the question. There's no no question. I think it's just
incredibly sad because she's a wonderful coach, a wonderful person,
and Laura Langman's message on social media was just so
moving because look what she did with those players that team.
You know, they had to work hard, they didn't always
like her training methods, but it led to a World
Cup and ultimately, as a professional sports person, you want

(01:01:43):
to succeed at the highest level and you can't be
that Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:01:46):
Very fair point. Okay, let's do it for us now.
Mars has got a fair point, hasn't he, Niki? That
we are How have we allowed them to get into
the quarterfinals and we're hardly even talking about it.

Speaker 10 (01:01:56):
Oh look hither it's Look, it's a really simple answer.
Haven't been covered much because AID has been very little urgency.
First of all, the time zone is dreadful. It's in
the middle of the night. Secondly, it's sorry about that, Jeff. Secondly,
at this stage, you know through the group stages are
a weak part, so it loses that urgency and the

(01:02:17):
results have been so one side is that, you know,
it's like, you know, sax Foons do it again. So look,
the difference is that now, as Jeff will tell you,
we are now down at the business end. So you know,
New Zealand place South Africa. You know South Africa made
a quarter finals. It won't be necessarily the one sided
result that we've seen today. So the urgency will increase,

(01:02:38):
and I do hope that we get more coverage, more talk,
more chat around it. To me, England will be England
New Zealand. We're going to see that. That's going to
be the final. And yet there'll be plenty of attention
around that.

Speaker 8 (01:02:49):
Je.

Speaker 3 (01:02:49):
If I don't have long beginning, you'll take on it.

Speaker 2 (01:02:51):
What do you think I think the black funds one
come to me and so ever. But I think in Nick,
you say this is right, it's the factor that's going
to come under the semi five and final for them.
They've cruised through. Paul played notice respect to South Africa.
They had a good one over at Italy, but a
second game we've played them in twenty ten we were
heavy favorites on that occasion rightly so, so I think

(01:03:12):
they cruised through. But this whole tournament has been so good,
not just for the women's game, but the game of
rugby in general. And I think we can learn a
lot from the way that Black Ferns have promoted the game,
the way they do things on social media. I think
that the men's side of it can learn from that too.
But ultimately, thirty thousand tickets I think the last time
in the World Cup was in England. This time pre
sold three hundred thousand, and globally the audience has been massive,

(01:03:34):
So it's a good thing for the game.

Speaker 3 (01:03:35):
Good stuff, brilliant, You guys, enjoy your weekend of sport.
Jeff mctangs, Nikki Styris Sports Huddle.

Speaker 1 (01:03:41):
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Speaker 3 (01:03:49):
The question you didn't ask is can Dame Knowles come
back from this in my view? Not a chance Ken
my view as well, And actually that was something we
did discuss earlier this week. Now listen, I don't know
if you're aware of this. Gregle Paul has written a
wonderful piece in The Herald about a couple of the players,
the debutantes in the All Blacks, and where they come from.
And it's kind of surprising two of them. So when
I say two of them, I mean Kyle Preston and

(01:04:11):
Leroy Carter are both tradees. So Kyle Preston is a
roofer and he only finished his apprenticeship in March last year,
and this time last year he was still making his
living as a roofer. He would be, says Gregor Paul,
the first All Black in many years not to have
trodden the manicured and sanitized path to the international arena,

(01:04:31):
the one that starts by making age grade representative sides
at school and graduating to a provincial or super Rugby
academy and effectively living in a high performance bubble from
the age of eighteen. Leroy Carter, former electrician, while his
elite peers were living in their coosets at high performance
wells and buoyed by knowing that, on statistical probabilities, they
were designed to make the big time. Carter was clocking

(01:04:52):
in for a hard day's grind, and he was fitting
and training around his work while carrying the mental burden
of knowing that he was statistically unlikely to make the
big time. And as Greegle Paul points out, isn't it
nice to have a couple of cases of people who
don't come through the age grade stuff but actually just
work bloody hard and make it in the side. It's
still possible in this day and age. Wonderful. I'm so

(01:05:16):
these are my two new favorite players, just based on
that anyway. And we're going to talk to retail New
Zealand about what they're seeing in the spending and whether
it's a good sign. News talks.

Speaker 7 (01:05:24):
He'd be.

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Speaker 19 (01:05:48):
He'd be.

Speaker 3 (01:05:50):
Even in coming up to the next hour. Peter Lewis
will explain why Japan is letting the US decide where
Japan invests its money. Barrysopah will wrap the political week
that was, and we'll go to Gavin Gray in the UK.
It's now seven pass six. Now retailers reckon they're finally
seeing some green shoots, at least the hope. So card
spending data shows that we've been spending more money for
the third month in a row. Spending in the retail

(01:06:11):
industries was up zero point seven percent in August compared
to July. And Carolyn Young is the chief executive at
Retail New Zealand. Hey, Carolyn, sure, how are we doing
very well? Thank you? Now spending more? Absolutely, But is
it possible we're actually buying the same things and they're
just costing more.

Speaker 20 (01:06:27):
Well, there's obviously an inflationary factor, and we know that
groceries have been up and the electricity has been up,
so there is a little bit of that. We know
that the average sale price has been the same, So
what that means that is that there's been more transactions
that have occurred. So does give us the sense that
maybe some of those people that have been there had
the opportunity to refix their mortgages, have got a little

(01:06:49):
bit more cash and have been able to go and
buy some things, but it's still quite tight. Obviously, there's
been a lot of news this week about how difficult
the reporting season has been for retailers and some retailers
closing doors and liquidation still. But maybe we're turning that corner,
and of course there are less retailers there, so those

(01:07:10):
retailers are hopefully getting more consumers cut on customers coming
through their doors.

Speaker 3 (01:07:16):
Explain to me what's going on here. We've got hospitality
up one point four percent, apparel up one point eight percent,
but then the spend on fuel is down.

Speaker 20 (01:07:25):
Yeah, the fuel and vehicles is really lumpy, and we
know that fuel has been really competitively priced in August.
I think you'll know that various places around Auckland and
around the country has had huge discounts at different times
and has been queues outside some mobile stores and some
by tomos and stuff as they had their regular discounts

(01:07:48):
on and so that you know, that can drive some
sales in those perspectives, but fuel can be a little
bit lumpy alongside vehicles.

Speaker 3 (01:07:57):
Now, what do you make of the fact that we've
had a bunch quite prominent retailers go into liquidation or
go under recently.

Speaker 20 (01:08:04):
So it's a reflection of how difficult it's been and
how long they've held on for but just couldn't quite
get over the line. What we don't know with any
of these businesses is you know what loans they might
have had, You know what their depth levels were, how
their cash flow was looking, which obviously wasn't great. But
you know, some of those things. If you're on old leases,

(01:08:25):
if your insurance has gone skyrocketing, if you're locked into
some six costs that you just can't move from. In
this environment where you need to be agile and you
need to be able to adapt and adjust to change
moods and spending habits, then you know it's making it
really difficult.

Speaker 3 (01:08:41):
Yeah, Carolyn, best of luck with everything, and thank you
so much for your time. It's Carolyn Young, Retail New
Zealand Chief Executive. Ten paus six, Heather Duplicy Allen Heather
the Great Aaron Smith was a headdresser and fielding for
three years. The best example of not being identified, that's
from Hamish. Thank you Hamish.

Speaker 7 (01:08:56):
Is it true?

Speaker 3 (01:08:57):
Actually Hamish. Is it true that Aaron was cutting their
hair until recently, because if he was, it might suggest
he was a better rugby player than hairdresser. I'd love
to know. Can I just say this, I'd loved to
what the hell is going on with the rugby league players?
Have you noticed the thing that they're all doing at
the moment. They're shaving off their side burns. Do you
know the side burnie bit above the ear? You know,

(01:09:18):
they sort of just like it's like they draw a
line from I guess like they're up a temple down
to just above their ear and they go shave it off.
Tack it off. Is very remember when they did that
in the eighties. It was hideous then and it's hideous now.
And I was watching the Warriors. My mum's not a
Warrior's watcher, she's not a rugby league woman. I'm trying

(01:09:39):
and I was watching it with her the other day
and she's like, yes, the air is very ugly, all
the hair, and I was like, this is a good point.
I looked at them and I thought, there is not
a man in this team who's got a decent haircut.
I've got a lot of tolerance for Dellen's hair, because look,
I mean, the man has been blessed with some wonderful locks.

(01:09:59):
But even then, I think I would go for a
different long look, do you know what I mean? Rather
than the like it's the best. It's definitely the best
because of what God has blessed him with. But wow,
you could you could it could be better, couldn't it.
There's something that's happening in Rugby League where it just
feels like like a like a fashion has washed over
that place and it's a hideous fashion and I can't

(01:10:20):
wait for it to end.

Speaker 2 (01:10:21):
Anyway.

Speaker 3 (01:10:22):
If there's some explanation as to what the hell's going
on there, I'd love to know. Don't tell me who
the barber is. Well, actually, do tell me who the
barber is, because I will make sure to avoid that
place for everybody in my family. I'm responsible for a
number of haircuts amongst the men there. Now, Harry's turned
up in Ukraine. That was unexpected, but as I've told
you before, it always is unexpected when somebody of profile

(01:10:43):
turns up in Ukraine. But he's turned up in Ukraine,
and he's done it in his capacity as the you know,
founder and whatever role he plays still with the Invictors
Games Foundation. He says he wants to do everything possible
to help the recovery of the veterans. You know, the
personnel who've been seriously injured, and there are thousands of
them who have been in in Ukraine. And how he
got there was he flew into Poland and then caught

(01:11:03):
a train to Kiev. The fact that you know that
he was there means he's already out. We'll talk to
Gavin Gray about that when he's with us later on
in the show. Thirteen past six.

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Speaker 3 (01:11:33):
Hither it's called a low taper and it is in
capitals the rage. Thank you, Mark, sixteen past six. Now
let's wrap the political week that was with Barry Soper,
Senior political correspondent. Welcome back, Barry, Hello again, Heather, Barry.
Really everything has been dominated by Tom Phillips this week,
isn't it?

Speaker 7 (01:11:50):
Oh, it's been. It's a tragic, awful story, but you
know it's one that people are interested up and down
the country in. I mean, how on earth anyone can
defy the police for four years in the bush with
three children is beyond most imaginations. And I think the

(01:12:11):
good thing about this, Heather, is that by week's end,
Tom Phillips is not seen as the Great Robin Hood
if you liked that he was by some earlier in
the week. The fact that he shot a police officer
who's going to be in hospital, I would imagine for

(01:12:31):
some considerable time says one thing about him. But to
do so in front of his twelve year old daughter
is another thing. And you know there are suppression orders
around all of this and the things that we can't
talk about. But this man, I think has been described
by the Minister of Police Mark Mitchell as a monster,

(01:12:52):
and I think that's an apt description.

Speaker 3 (01:12:55):
Yeah, I think you might be right. Listen. I've been
thinking a lot since we last talked about the Maori Party,
and I think what's happened in the last week, which
I think is quite notable, is the fact that the
relationship between the Maori Party and the Press Gallery seems
to have soured quite BADLYO.

Speaker 7 (01:13:11):
Well, yes, normally they were certainly going to and from
the debating chamber very available, but look they have been
avoiding the place this week. And you know they didn't
double down on their apology for Takuta Ferris, which is
indeed what the leadership should have done. But not only that,

(01:13:33):
they displaced one of their whips and she lost to
twenty thousand dollars as a result of it a paypacket
and it's been taken over by Debbie no rewa packer,
which is surprising. I mean, normally you don't have a
leader that is also a whip of a party. But look,
this party, to me is a basically a party of protesters,

(01:13:58):
and I think Takuta Ferris has shown really what this
party has been about ever since it was elected into
the House. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:14:06):
Would you agree with me though, that the souring of
the relationship with the press gallery really doesn't affect the
Marori Party negatively because they never really reach their audience
through the mainstream media. I mean largely they get to
the audience through social media and that will continue unfettered.
Who this hurts the most is Labor because now that
the press gallery is going to start interrogating the positions

(01:14:27):
of the Marty Party and find them wanting it's just
going to the people. It will pot off as Labour's
voters who know Labor requires the Mary Party to govern.

Speaker 7 (01:14:37):
Oh. Absolutely, It's going to be very difficult for Chris
Hopkins to say that if they do go into coalition,
there are only two options for them. One is the
Maldi Party, the other is the Greens. And you know
there's plenty of criticism floating around about the Greens, but
the Mardi Party, they've shown themselves at times not fit

(01:15:00):
to be in the place.

Speaker 3 (01:15:02):
Now Stuart Nash, you say, you say he's got a
future in New Zealand.

Speaker 7 (01:15:06):
First, oh yes, look, you know it was a very
injudicious comment that he made about what is a woman?
And it's something of an irony had that. Winston Peters
on Newstalalk Z had been neck Mills and Wellington just
a few hours earlier, had been talking about the Labor
Party leader not knowing what a woman is and we

(01:15:28):
have Stuart Nash coming out giving what a pairy rude
description of what a woman. What he sees a woman
as being not good for his wife. She's not happy apparently,
Winston Peters, it's a bit like water off the duck's back.
I mean, he's got Shane Jones and his party and
he's been fairly injudicious at times himself. So look, I

(01:15:49):
think Winston will turn a blind eye to it, and
Stuart Nash he will be fairly valuable to the New
Zealand First Party because you know, the blue collar vote
is what they want. They've got the elderly vote generally,
so you know, I think he will be in addition
to that party.

Speaker 3 (01:16:07):
Very very quickly. That opinion poll and many opinion polls
at the moment that are coming out are giving it
to the left. At the moment, I tend to feel
that this is a protest vote against the government. It's
not an indication that the Left is doing anything great
because they haven't even got policies out really from labor.

Speaker 7 (01:16:23):
The thing is hither that, you know, I think people expected,
and indeed they were led to believe by the National
Party or the National Coalition that things would be right
by this time. But they're far from being right. I
think though there are certainly they call it green shoots.
The economists do, and I think they are starting to show,

(01:16:45):
and I think by certainly early next year you'll see
a very different mood in the country. Is pretty dismal
at the moment, and when the mood is dismal, it's
not good for the government. But as long as the
all blacks keep one, I think they'll be quite happy.

Speaker 3 (01:17:03):
All right, very so, well, then we'll see what we
feel like. On Sunday, Barry Sooper, senior political correspondent, rapping
the political week that was, Hey, do you remember Jane
Hurdlicka who ran a two milk? She was running a
two milk for a week while there and then stood
down just before COVID and headed back over to Australia.
Just been revealed how much and as she went over
to Virgin Australia by the way, and has just been

(01:17:24):
revealed how much she was paid on her departure from
Virgin Australia cash and shares worth more than fifty million dollars.
How good is that It's come out in the group's
annual report that was released today cash payments of more
than twenty million dollars shares currently worth about thirty three
million dollars. I am not an expert, but I would
say sell up, lady, take it. That seems like it's

(01:17:45):
a high to me. She's going over to Endeavor. Are
going to be the CEO there. They're the liquor and
the pubs and the Poke's Giant six twenty two, everything.

Speaker 1 (01:17:55):
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Speaker 12 (01:18:04):
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Speaker 3 (01:18:05):
Togs'd be six twenty four. By the way, have to
mention this. I don't know if you've seen this, but
fantastic idea has objectively a fantastic idea has come from
the golf warehouse as to what to do with Takapuna
golf course. Because if you've been following this has been
such a kerfuffle over on the north shore of Auckland
about what to do here. There's an eighteen hole course
there and the council wants to shut it down and
turn nine holes, save nine holes, then save the wetland,

(01:18:28):
and that's designed to kind of stop flooding events and
blah blah blah. Anyway, these guys have come in. They
say they're prepared to do this, put twenty million bucks
in it and redevelop it. Keep nine holes that would
be a world class nine hole golf course with native planting.
Then have a nine hole par three community short course
flood lit to allow evening play. Have a larger new

(01:18:49):
stadium built on a raised platform. Have a driving range
with one hundred bays two hundred and fifty meters, a
thirty six hole flood lit mini golf course, and a
large practice putting green. Multipurpose community clubhouse with hospitality and retail,
a base for golf. New Zealand's Auckland entry level participation
and talent development programs, extra car parking, a twelve court

(01:19:09):
indoor pickleball facility, a pump track for bikes, scooters and skateboards.
A shared path for walking and cycling running the length
of the park from north to south. Would you say
no to that? I mean, Auckland Council has said no
to some pretty great ideas, so don't put it beyond them.
But that sounds pretty great, doesn't it. Six twenty six,
Now here's some showbiz news for you. You know what

(01:19:36):
that is. That's down to Nabbey isn't it a secret marriage?
Sounds like a plot line right out of a soap
like down Tonabbey, but it actually has happened in real
life as well. It turns out two of the cast
members have tied the knot in private. Laura Carmichael, who
plays Lady Edith, and Michael C. Fox, who plays Andrew Parker,
met on the set of the show in twenty eleven,
and they got together in twenty fourteen, and then they

(01:19:56):
welcomed their first child in twenty twenty one, but they
only revealed their after he'd already turned one, And at
the moment the cast is on the pressed off were
down to abby the Grand Finale movie and they needed
something to talk about, so they decided to drop the
bomb that they actually got married.

Speaker 17 (01:20:10):
After fifteen years, we all still really like hanging out
with each other, even outside work.

Speaker 3 (01:20:16):
A lot to get this show.

Speaker 1 (01:20:18):
I think like so much of my life has been
shaped around the show.

Speaker 7 (01:20:22):
What about if somebody said you are going to actually
find your way and with a child's incredible changing stuff.

Speaker 3 (01:20:30):
Oh my gosh, was that the most British sounding interview ever?
It sounded like the Royals talking to each other like lovely,
lovely for that. I mean, it's the vibe. It is
the vibe, isn't it? It is the vibe. I would
love to see them interviewed by some sort of a
crass Australian and see how that got, just just for
you know, just for something different. Anyway, send them over
to Jackie Owen. What's his name? Kyle?

Speaker 10 (01:20:54):
Is it?

Speaker 3 (01:20:54):
Kyle is Kyle? And Jackie or Lord? They make Stewart
Nash look tame. Anyway, the movies and cinemas now it'll
be your last chance to catch these characters on screen
because the fourteen year long franchise is finally coming to
a close. And we shall be sad. We shall be
very sad, won't we. Anyway. Peter Lewis is with us
out of Hong Kong shortly to talk about Japan and

(01:21:14):
all of that investment money going into the US. And
if I have time, which I now am going to
have to find, we're gonna have to talk about the
dog situation. There's a dog, young you've got. It's not
a good, good yan, but you got to hear this one.
News is next.

Speaker 1 (01:21:33):
If it's to do with money, it matters to you.
Your business hour we're the head of Duple C Allen
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Speaker 3 (01:21:56):
We have got Adrianall's new job, so we read you
what Business Desk is just reporting. Adrianaw's first commercial engagement
since this dramatic early departure of March as Governor of
the Reserve Bank will be of New Zealand. Will be
to market a long gestating Maori led bioforestry venture to
international investors, New Zealand Bioforestry. That's what he's going to

(01:22:17):
be doing. So good luck to them and good.

Speaker 7 (01:22:19):
Luck to him.

Speaker 3 (01:22:20):
I suppose twenty four away from seven, Peter Lewis Asia
Business correspondenters with us. Hello Peter, Hello Heather. Right, Well,
who do you think is going to be Japan's next
Prime Minister?

Speaker 15 (01:22:29):
Well, the chances are it's going to be a rather
elderly man who's been around in politics for probably too long.
Because that's the way it normally works in Japan. They're
all sort of jockeying up for position they've got to get.
If you want to be the contender for this LDP election,
you've got to get twenty other lawmakers to support you,

(01:22:51):
and then you have to win first of all, that
leadership vote within the LDP itself. But even then it's
not enough. You've got to then go to Parliament and
be voted by a majority in Parliament in the upper
and lower houses. And this is where it could be tricky,
because this isn't guaranteed either, because the problem is the
LDP has lost its majority in both the Upper House

(01:23:13):
and the Lower House, which is why we're having this
election in the first place. And then maybe having been
appointed prime minister, your chances of survival are not great
because Japan has had eighteen prime ministers since nineteen ninety
and eleven of them have lasted only one year. So
the candidates, the main two is first of all, Shinjiro Koizumi.

(01:23:36):
Now here's the son of a former prime minister, so
he has name recognition amongst the public within Japan. He
is also the agricultural minister, and he has got some
credit because he managed to drive down rice prices over
the summer. One of the things that was really led
to the LDP losing their majority was surging inflation, particularly rice,

(01:23:59):
which in the space of just a few months while
he managed to get to grips to that, so he's
certainly going to be within the race. The other candidates
who breaks the mold of elderly men running for to
be prime minister is Takai Sanai, who is a proge
of the lates prime minister Shinzo are they and she's

(01:24:21):
a woman, so Japan could conceivably have its first female
prime minister. She's a conservative, so she would attract obviously
the sort of the middle ground, the right wing base,
many of whom have defected to some of these protest parties.
So she is definitely a name to watch and she
certainly has a chance.

Speaker 3 (01:24:43):
Very interesting stuff, Now, why is Japan allowing Donald Trump
to decide where Japan invests its money.

Speaker 15 (01:24:48):
This is an extraordinarily one sided deal, to the point
of which you almost have to believe that maybe Donald
Trump is not a bad trade negotetesa. After all. What
they are doing is they got this as part of
the trade deal which got tariffs reduced on the country,
particularly on auto ed exports, down to fifteen percent. Japan

(01:25:10):
agreed to invest five hundred and fifty billion dollars into
the US. Now it seems as details of that emerge
that really the US has total control over where Japan's
money is going to be invested. They're going to set
up an investment committee which will be run by US
Commerce Secretary Howard Lutnik, and they will decide where that

(01:25:32):
money is going to go. And what's more, once the
original investment has been paid back, the US is going
to keep ninety percent of the profits. This is an
extraordinary deal, to the point that you wonder what on
earth is Japan thinking in negotiating that, or former Prime
Minister Sheiba thinking. You can only imagine that maybe they

(01:25:53):
are just so desperate for this trade deal, particularly the
reduction in tariff's on the auto set, so because that's
the main part of Japan's economy that they're taking the
view that maybe five hundred and fifty billion dollars over
three years for Japan is not an awful lot of money,
and it will save them an awful lot of economic damage.

(01:26:15):
But nevertheless, this is a very very one sided deal.
The US has total discretion to decide if Japan is
keeping to that deal as well, and if they don't
get the money or don't feel that it's the deal
is being upheld, they can go at their discretion reimpose
all these tariffs on Japan.

Speaker 3 (01:26:34):
Yeah, Hi, thanks very much, Peter, really appreciate it. We'll
talk to you next week again. That's Peter Lewis, our
Asia business correspondent coming up nineteen away from seven.

Speaker 1 (01:26:43):
Ever do for ZLS.

Speaker 3 (01:26:45):
Okay, So if you listen to the show, you know,
I think we're not tough enough on dogs, right, and
I think this is an example of us being tough
on a dog. But maybe also I mean, let me
talk you through it, draw your own conclusion. So last
year in July, an American football terrier crossbreed attacked a
boy and put her to her on the street. What's

(01:27:08):
happened is the boy and his family were coming out
of their home. They were walking to the car. The
car was parked on the road outside. They had a
family dog. Family dog was on a lead as they
were making the way to the car. The attacking dog
is called Lucius. So as they're making their way to
the car, Lucius comes comes up the road chasing someone else.
The boy yells out to his mum, and the dog

(01:27:28):
then clocks the boy and starts coming at the boy.
The boy brave little guy gives the family dog to
the mum, so the family dog is safe. Not the
boy Lucius grabs him from behind, starts tearing chunks out
of his thighs thigh. Now it's grim man like. There
are bits of his flesh lying around on like on
the footpath outside. So it is a horrific attack, right,

(01:27:49):
So he's taken to hospital. He survives, but you know,
the whole thing is just takes a very long time
for him to recover. He's in and out of hospital
all the time. And of course, as you can imagine,
he's young, so he's gonna have a lot of trauma
from it, and his parents are gonna have trauma, and
everybody's gonna have trauma for seeing this thing happen. Anyway,
the day after the attack, the porty Doo, a city
council dog pound guys come and take the dog. Now,

(01:28:11):
first problem I have with it, as wise, at the
day after, I'd be there within five minutes, dogs in
the van, off we go, bye bye. Anyway, they come
and sees the dog. I've got give them a bit
of a break, I suppose, for you know, the admin
and stuff. They sees the dog and the thing goes
to court. The judge the owner's in trouble for being
the owner of a dog who attacked and injured. And
then the judge, sentencing judge makes an order dog's got

(01:28:34):
to be put down. Owner objects. Owner says these were
exceptional circumstances. A friend had been trying to take Lucius
for a walk. The harness broke. Lucius was a beloved
pet to which she was very attached, and she regarded
as more than a pet and central to her mental health.
Judge doesn't care. Judge says, put the dog down. Owner
appeals to the High Court. Goes to the High Court.

(01:28:54):
She says to the judge and the High Court, Lucius
has supported her through trauma, mental health struggle, always made
her feel safe. The fact that the dog has to
be put down causes her extreme distress, appetite, lost, depression,
and constant emotional suffering. Now I'm sure that all of
this is true. I am sure all of it's true
because you love your pet. But loving your pet, I'm sorry,

(01:29:14):
does not outweigh the fact that children have a right
to be safe not attacked by the dog. Anyway, turns
out as well, this is the second time that Lucius
has left the property and rushed towards a person and
their dog. February last year, Lucius ran and a woman
grabbed her towel ripped a large hole in it before
the owner could get control of the dog anyway. Again,
the judges, as you can imagine, not swayed, says the

(01:29:35):
dog has got to be put down now. There is
twenty working days at which the owner can reappeal if
she wants to take it to the appeal court. That
period runs out later this month, and at that point
the dog will be put down. Now. While I have
sympathy for the owner, this dog needs to be put down.
I mean this is a slam dunk case, isn't it.

(01:29:56):
You've got a dog that goes and rips flesh out
of a little boy's thigh. Yeah. I mean I wouldn't
even wait for it if I was the I think
we should need an automatic rule, Like I literally think
we need an automatic rule here in the country. Change
the law. Make it like this dog puts teeth around
a human being. Dog has taken out the back and
shot quickly. Don't we don't need to fight in the

(01:30:17):
courts about it. The minute that a dog bites somebody,
a human. It's out the back, It's gone anyway, And
I do want to extend my sympathies to her because
she will be very upset about this. Sixteen away from
seven croaging.

Speaker 1 (01:30:28):
The numbers and getting the results. It's Heather duplicy Ellen
with the business hour and mass for insurance investments and
Quie Saber, you're in good hands.

Speaker 3 (01:30:39):
News dog said be here that we had a similar
situation ins Holdranger with the dog attacking evet insane court fiasgo.
I'm a dog lover, but this is a no brainer, Hey, Heather, Yes,
one hundred percent. Dog bites man. Dog is gone within
the hour, Yes, Heather, automatic rule, no debate, Yes, Heather,
shoot the dog, et cetera, et cetera. So yeah, at
least I'm not alone and at thirteen away from seven.
Gavin Gray UK correspondence with me Evan Iiver heard that Okay,

(01:31:02):
so has kyistarma explained everything that he knows about Mandelssohn
and Epstein.

Speaker 18 (01:31:07):
No, and there's huge pressure now on him to do more,
particularly with the Times newspapers this morning reporting that Peter
Mandilson is not happy with the sacking. Of course, that
sort of sounds a bit silly, but in this instance,
normally it's seat of you know, ambassadors go quite quietly
and diplomatically and everything sort of then gets back to normal.

(01:31:28):
I don't think it's going to happen here. Peter Mandilson
was sacked. Lord Mandleson sacked as the ambassador for the
UK in the US just days before Donald Trump visits
London here in order for a state visit to take place.
And the pair Mandalson and Trump that is get on
quite well. So this is a highest stakes move by

(01:31:48):
this government. And he's been sacked rather than resigned, and
that apparent is because he's annoyed that he feels he's
been ill treated in that Apparently he claims he told
the Prime Minister in the vetting process that he continued
his relationship with the disgraced and financier Jeffrey Epstein for

(01:32:10):
many years, not just until the point at which Epstein
started to be questioned by police or face charges. So
this idea that their relationship their friendship carried on, according
to some, is nothing new. But the Prime Minister knowing
it should he have then appointed him as the UK
ambassador in washing It so plenty of questions for secure

(01:32:31):
Starman to answer. And this is the second big loss
of a major member of the upper echelons of this
labor party in the week. So two big one sacking,
one resignation, really really big stuff here.

Speaker 3 (01:32:48):
It is. Now, look, I see that there are a
bunch of NATO members that are sending the troops and
the artillery and the air defense systems to secure the
eastern flank. Is this because they seriously, I mean, do
they believe Russia is seriously up to something here?

Speaker 20 (01:33:00):
Yeah?

Speaker 18 (01:33:00):
And this will really follows those drones being downed over
Polish airspace. Now Russia hasn't really commented this. Some suggestion
this might have been an accident, but Heather, the drones
from Russia were not just you know, half a kilometer
a kilometer into Poland. They were you know, several several
kilometers into Poland. It caused the airspace for four airports,

(01:33:22):
including Warsaw's main airport, to be shut and many people
think this is Russia Vladimir Putin testing Poland, testing NATO
about what they are willing and capable of doing. Some incidentally,
it sort did not get shot down, so that doesn't
suggest incidentally that the defense systems are up to scratch either.

(01:33:43):
But Poland is requesting a UN Security Council session that
would take place in about twelve hours time from now,
and that is to discuss this further. In the meantime,
the Dutch are sending troops to an air defense system
of three hundred troops and artillery to Poland. The Czech

(01:34:05):
Republic is sending helicopters around one hundred soldiers. So not
all out in everyone jumping in. But the French and
British also said to be on the verge of or
offering to deploy aircraft to secure NATO's eastern flank, so yes,
they are taking this extremely seriously. The missiles. Although the
drones had missiles trespassed into some native countries before, this

(01:34:29):
was certainly the most serious incident of its kind since
the full scale invasion of Ukraine back in February twenty
twenty two.

Speaker 3 (01:34:36):
Very fascinating Allisen, Thank you so much, Gavin, as always,
have a lovely weekend, Gavin Gray are UK corresponding. By
the way, just a little update on the Tom Phillips situation.
The cops are getting ready to dismantle the camps, so
if you've seen the Heralds coverage today and I highly
recommend it just if you want a really good update
on what is going on. It looks Heralds chuckter chopper

(01:34:58):
or a drone or something up in the air, and
seeing that the cops have basically created like a like
a stockpile of stuff that they're bringing out of the
camps and they've dumped it all in one spot. And
it is a hell of a lot of stuff that
Tom Phillips had in there, bikes and generators and all
kinds of stuff. So they've got that all together. Once
they've collected all of the items and photographed it and
done all the forensic stuff that they need to do,

(01:35:19):
they're going to dismantle the camps and then that is
going to be the end of it. Eight away from seven,
it's the.

Speaker 1 (01:35:25):
Heather Tooper see Alan Drive Full show podcast on iHeartRadio
powered by news Dog ZB Heather.

Speaker 3 (01:35:32):
The Floor with your Dog. Theory is that on occasions
when intruders with dishonest intention enter a private property you
know slash break ins, and the owner is defended by
their loyal canine. I personally think good job. This also
includes police dogs who do buit criminals on the run.
My point is there does need to be exceptions to
your blanket rule, Karen, I will make those exceptions. I
think that this is a good idea. We've brainstormed it,

(01:35:53):
We've reached a good solution. Now. Karmala Harris. Carmala Harris
is releasing a book. It's called one hundred and seven Days,
which I think is a reference to how long she
had to run for the presidency. It's a memoir, and
she has gone quite hard on Joe Well, you know, no, actually,
I think you could say that she's gone quite hard
on Joe Biden.

Speaker 7 (01:36:12):
In it, she.

Speaker 3 (01:36:13):
Says Joe Biden's second presidential run was recklessness. She says
she made a colossal mistake in not telling him to
give it up, and that it was a choice that
should not have been left to an individual's ego, which
is pretty bruising. So, as a result, has people have
started taking her down. They've started briefing the media that
she actually is not that flash as well, his aides

(01:36:35):
told Axios Vice President Harris was simply not good at
the job. She had basically zero substantive role in any
of the administration's key work. Streams and instead would just
dive bomb in for stilted photo ops that exposed how
out of depth she was. Biden is not the reason
she struggled in office or tanked her twenty nineteen campaign
or lost the twenty four ten twenty twenty four campaign.
For that matter, the independent variable there is the vice President,

(01:36:58):
not Biden or his ais. A dozen aids accused Harris
of trying to blame Biden for her defeat, and.

Speaker 7 (01:37:04):
On and on.

Speaker 3 (01:37:05):
Ago isn't it isn't it free? Isn't it interesting? Isn't
it interesting? How quickly? I mean even I find this remarkable,
how quickly these guys have turned on each other. It's
talk about trying to save your own skin. Libby, whatever
you goes.

Speaker 11 (01:37:19):
I've got a bit of ad share in for us,
who's just released his eighth album. It's called Play, and
I guess this will be the final one before he
switches to country.

Speaker 3 (01:37:27):
Oh lord, I know that's it. And remember what he said?
Did you hear what he said? He said, if once
you switch to country, you can't switch backus? What ominus? Well, yeah,
ominous and scary. Libby obviously as did not give you
a handover about aireda no. So the vibe on the
show is that we only went Heather hates Heed, not personally.

(01:37:48):
He seems like a really nice guy, but his music
is just credible but also math and so you only
play it when you're trolling me. So it's very early
to be trolling.

Speaker 7 (01:38:02):
I love it, noted.

Speaker 3 (01:38:05):
You know, Libby, you should just play Trot. You should
play it every single name day next week to get
me back. Obviously, obviously obviously. Yeah, Okay, thank you, Libby,
bless you. I don't for your first week has been
awesome by yourself without training wheels. By the way, have
a lovely weekend. We'll see you'll see you on Monday.

Speaker 19 (01:38:23):
For all it's Hearance.

Speaker 1 (01:38:32):
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