Full Show Podcast: 17 September 2025

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Speaker 1 (00:01):
The only drive show you can try the truck to
ask the questions, get the answers.

Speaker 2 (00:06):
Find and give the analysis.

Speaker 1 (00:09):
Heather duplicy Ellen Drive with One New Zealand and the
Power of Satellite Mobile News Talks V.

Speaker 3 (00:18):
Afternoon. Coming up on the show, Keisha Castle Hughes, the actress,
on why she joined the fight for people with Marty
heritage to have easier access to citizenship, Tikitana the singer
on why he's taking his music off Spotify, and Al Gillespie,
the law professor, on why the second Gang patch has
been returned to among Al.

Speaker 2 (00:34):
Mob member Heather Duplicy Ellen.

Speaker 3 (00:37):
So Shannon Helbert from the Maori Party doesn't like the
fact that Rahweri White said he answered all his media
questions about Taku to Ferris and threl. Now, if you
haven't caught up on this, this is what happened yesterday
when the Maori Party came face to face with the
press gallery. It was the first time since Tarku to
Feris has doubled down and then tripled down for his
anti immigrant comments and then ignored his leader's orders to
delete the video. And then the leaders started, by the

(00:59):
looks of things, ignoring media requests for interviews. So yesterday,
when the media finally had a chance to ask Rawori
about it for the first time, he refused to speak
English and he would only answer in Maori because he
said it's terell mari Week. And Shannon Helbert from the
Labor Party didn't like it because he thinks that Rahwori
is creating a quote exclusive bunch of Maori, which is

(01:21):
presumably mari who can speak mari and that, by the
looks of things, excludes him. Well, tough bickies. If Shannon
doesn't want to feel left out, he should go and
learn Marii like everyone else who's spending their Wednesday nights
in Maori language classes. Look, just for the record, So
before you think I'm now on Rahwori side, I'm not.
I don't like that Rahwui is doing this because he's

(01:42):
obviously weaponizing the language and hiding behind it to avoid
answering tough questions, and then is pretending that he's doing
it for some noble reason of celebrating Marii Language Week.
That's not what he's doing. But set aside his childishness,
he is entitled to speak Marii exclusively if he wants to.
It is a national language, the man is fluent in it.
If this was a multi lingual European nation instead of

(02:03):
predominantly monolingual New Zealand, this would not be a problem.
I mean to be fair, I would he probably wouldn't
be able to do what he's doing because the press
gallery would also be multi lingual and would be able
to understand what he's saying. But Shannon's complaint is a
uniquely New Zealand complaint, isn't it, which is, don't speak
the language because I can't understand it. Again, tough bickies.

(02:23):
It is really weird for me to hear this from
a labor party MP, by the way, and I would
encourage Shannon to take up some Mardi language classes with
his free time, which there is a lot of. When
I'm talking about his free time, there is a lot
of because he's not doing a lot. In opposition and
maybe if there is a silver lining in that Alouady
being this juvenile, it is a gentle reminders to the

(02:44):
rest of us that if we also don't want to
feel like Shannon left out, there are.

Speaker 2 (02:49):
Classes ever do for CL.

Speaker 3 (02:55):
Nine two nine two standard techs fees applying now Donald Trump,
he's arrived in the UK for his second state visit.
He's getting the full royal treatment. King Charles is hosting
the US President of Milani at Windsor Castle. They count
Buckingham Palace. It's currently undergoing a major renovation. There's going
to be a ceremonial welcome and a lavish state banquet
and just everything now. Robert Lacey is a royal historian

(03:17):
who worked as a consultant to the Netflix show The Crown.
Hi Robert, Hello, Heather. So are they giving him the
full royal treatment?

Speaker 4 (03:24):
Are they absolutely? I mean has already happened. I mean
he's the first head of states of ours we know
actually to be invited visibly with a letter which he
opened delightedly in front of the world's press. And he's
the first time any head of state has ever been invited. Twice,

(03:44):
he came in his first term. He was then greeted
by then Prince Charles with Camilla, and now he's getting
the full royal treatment from King Charles the third at
Windsor Castle, only a few miles down the river from

(04:04):
River Thames from Runnymead, where the British monarchy signed its
famous deal that really destined it on its present course
towards ceremonial glory but actual political impotence. But we shall
see whether this meeting might not yield something of substance
as well.

Speaker 3 (04:23):
So what do you think? It sounds to me very
much like the bank is going to be the highlighte.

Speaker 4 (04:30):
It'll be one of the highlights. I mean, it's held
at the table that's in Windsor Castle in the Great Hall,
nearly a thousand years old, Windsor Castle fifty yards long.
What's that getting on for the length of the football field.
And apparently there are also plans for a carriage drive,
not down the mall in London, because there aren't many

(04:52):
people who come out to cheer Donald Trump. Most of
them would boo him, I'm afraid to say. But it
will be in the ground well, in the alternative surroundings
of Windsor Great Park, in a carriage with the castle
in the background. It couldn't be more photogenic.

Speaker 3 (05:11):
Have you heard that he is going to visit the
late Queen's grave?

Speaker 4 (05:15):
This will be one of the most moving moments, I think,
and of genuine significance. Donald Trump's mother was Scottish he's
got this sentimental fondness for the monarchy, and Britain is
using that frankically as part of our modern soft power.
And the plan is we are told that he will

(05:37):
go into the chapel Windsor Castle and pay tribute to
the grave of not just the Queen but Prince Philip,
of course predeceased her but lay there waiting for her
under the and sentimentality and power will come together at

(05:57):
that moment and history as well our longest being monarch ever,
the creator of the Commonwealth and of course happy to
say Head of State of New Zealand as well as
Great Britain.

Speaker 3 (06:09):
Robert, How did Britain's feel about about it being laid
on so thick?

Speaker 2 (06:15):
Well, I think.

Speaker 4 (06:18):
People realize that we Kirstam was doing a job. I
mean the real substance of the meeting will happen at
the end. After Windsor he will go off to the
President Trump and will maybe it's just President Trump and
Kirstam will go off and do the solid business of

(06:39):
the trip at Checkers, which is the country home of
the Prime Minister, and there they will actually sit down
and talk about things like Ukraine, maybe Palestine, Gaza, who knows.
Certainly things are tariffs that matter to us. So Britain's
realize this is the sort of thing that has to
be done, and actually we run the prow that we

(07:01):
can still put on a good show and let's hope
for some positive result from it.

Speaker 3 (07:06):
Yeah, absolutely hate Robert, Thank you very much, appreciate your time.
That's Robert Lacey, royal historian and consultant to the Netflix
show The Crown. What Starma is after apparently is now
just a reasonable deal on the steel tariffs. So he
had been hoping originally that he could get the tariff
down to zero. That's not realistic. So he's decided, Yea're
just going to go for twenty five percent, which I

(07:27):
think they're on already. He just wants to make that permanent.
And that is now looking like a good deal because
all the other countries are still on fifty percent in
terms of the steel tariffs. Also, things haven't gone swimmingly
just up to now. So a couple of well I
don't know how many, but a bunch of protesters have
projected a video montage of images of Donald Trump and
Jeffrey Epstein onto one of the Towers of Windsor Castle.

(07:49):
It included the president's mugshot. It included portraits of Epstein,
newspaper headlines, and then footage of the two of them
dancing together. The group behind it is a group called
led by Dons, and they are getting to be a
little bit famous for their viral stunts. They managed to
get the montage broadcast onto the tower for several minutes
before they were arrested on suspicion of malicious communications. Quarter

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past four.

Speaker 1 (08:15):
It's the Heather Duper see Alan Drive Full Show podcast
on iHeartRadio powered by News Talk zb Hi.

Speaker 3 (08:22):
Heather, I was really starting to like you in your program.
But are you seriously saying that we should all learn
Marty so we can understand that radical nutcase? Jeez?

Speaker 5 (08:30):
Yeah?

Speaker 6 (08:30):
Why not?

Speaker 3 (08:30):
John? I mean, did you not look?

Speaker 7 (08:32):
Look?

Speaker 3 (08:34):
I feel like I'm going to be able to protect
the answer this question. I looked at them. Did you
not look at it last night and see that happening
and think, jeez, it's only a matter of time and
maybe one hundred years before everybody can speak Marty. Was
that not your reaction? That was my I thought, if
you're seeing this now, you wouldn't seen this on the
news forty years ago, seeing it on the news. Now,
forty years from now, one hundred years from now, everybody

(08:54):
will be able to eighteen past four.

Speaker 1 (08:56):
Sport with tab power plays better unlock bigger godst bit responsibly.

Speaker 3 (09:02):
Darcy water Grave sports talk hosters with me, Hello, Darce.

Speaker 8 (09:04):
Protadly, the worst thing to happen to the nation.

Speaker 3 (09:06):
Is it to be able to speak more than one language.
Feels to me we should have been pretty stoked about that.
Now NPC is going to be full of all blacks
this weekend, yet.

Speaker 8 (09:17):
Not full enough of my humble opinion, Send them all
back to the NPC.

Speaker 9 (09:20):
Go and learn how to run past catch, to fuse
a high ball and follow a master plan. Go on
kill an idea that might be a bit extreme for
some people. But one of the guys that's coming back
is a very very rare gem in rugby and all blacks,
it's called a halfback. We haven't got many of those.

Speaker 3 (09:42):
We do have.

Speaker 9 (09:42):
They just kind of break down or they got a
hot hand hote them.

Speaker 8 (09:46):
Last week. I feel so sorry for him. How long
did he last? Ten minutes? Oh? My lord?

Speaker 9 (09:51):
So cameroy Guard's back can planning for counties Manico. Absolutely
he is, and all things going well and go. I'll
be talking to him tonight up after seven o'clock about
the time spent waiting, what he's done, how happy he
is with how he's surviving his injury, because it must

(10:13):
be really stressful for players when they go back onto
the park again after coming.

Speaker 8 (10:18):
Through an injury. Going and I still trusting of this?
Is this still? Is this still?

Speaker 9 (10:25):
I'd actually like to talk to him about stock cars
and saloon cars because he likes over racing and dirt.
But I don't think that listeners will be too pleased.

Speaker 8 (10:37):
Yeah, but yeah, with a rugby player who loves his
stock cars. But I'm talking with there's a number of players.

Speaker 3 (10:44):
But if he's back at the NBC this weekend, that
means that he will be selected for the game against
the Wallabies the following.

Speaker 9 (10:50):
One would think so, providing he comes through it. Okay,
So that's that's great. What about what about Hamish car?
I'm sorry, he's more than good, He's great. He is
one of the greatest. I set up last night until
one thirty in the morning watching the coverage of their
I eventually passed out and it was quarter past have

(11:11):
passed one around there couldn't get to the end. There
were still five or six guys jumping. I was like,
this is ridiculous, this is too late. And I thought
i'd have that my cup at eight A clar what happened?
And I saw it before.

Speaker 3 (11:22):
Did you sleep until eight o'clock on your couch?

Speaker 10 (11:25):
No?

Speaker 8 (11:25):
None, on my couch. I was watching it in bed.

Speaker 3 (11:27):
Oh sorry, take my phone.

Speaker 8 (11:29):
On my phone?

Speaker 3 (11:31):
Oh okay there, and.

Speaker 8 (11:32):
I was watching. It's like I'm going to sleep. I'm
going to sleep. I'm going I'm gonna I'll go to tenure.

Speaker 3 (11:37):
Oh you to turn it off first.

Speaker 9 (11:38):
I was so upset because you know what he's done,
this guy. Olympic Games title, gold medal, yeah, Commonwealth Games title,
World Indoor Championship title, Diamond League final and then now.

Speaker 8 (11:50):
The World Athletics Championship.

Speaker 9 (11:52):
This is awesome and I will bore people with this,
but I think you need to repeat these.

Speaker 8 (11:56):
Things over and over again. I chatted with Hamishkur a
few years.

Speaker 9 (12:00):
Ago, and I was struck by his inherent confidence and
what he can do and where he can go and
what he can achieve.

Speaker 8 (12:09):
But it wasn't the confidence that got me.

Speaker 9 (12:11):
It was the lack of pretense or arrogance or ego.

Speaker 8 (12:16):
He wasn't I'm the best, I'm the greatest.

Speaker 9 (12:18):
I want to do that. He goes, I have a plan.
This is how my plan is going to operate.

Speaker 8 (12:22):
Nothing I have and that's all I'm going to go
on to do it.

Speaker 3 (12:25):
I think nothing keeps you grounded like growing up in
New Zealand and not playing rugby. Like if you're a
high jumper in New Zealand, you had just a bloke
down the road, aren't you man?

Speaker 9 (12:34):
But I'd say increasingly athletics is becoming the go to
for a number of parents because you know what, when
you're high jumping, when you're distance running, when you're throwing
a discuss, no one tackles from one second idea.

Speaker 11 (12:45):
You know the way?

Speaker 8 (12:45):
Okay, we're going to stick with this. Athletics is on
the up and up.

Speaker 12 (12:49):
Well.

Speaker 9 (12:49):
Jordy Beamish and of course now a Hamish ker and
I believe the way.

Speaker 8 (12:53):
He name from ten thirty tonight are in the polwarll.

Speaker 3 (12:57):
Thank you very much for that. Dar Darcy water Grave
Sports Store, Coastal Vacks even o'clock tonight for Sports Talk
for twenty.

Speaker 1 (13:02):
Two hard Questions strong opinion here the duplicyl and drive
with one New Zealand and the power of satellite mobile
news talk sa'd.

Speaker 3 (13:11):
Be oh man. The text already coming in here that
I'm very disappointed Snoop Dogg has canceled New Zealand shows,
not the first time. Here the good thing you weren't
sure Snoop Dogg would actually go ahead. Hope you and
the girls still have a good night out. Thank you, Dave. Yeah,
what a surprise to read that today that Snoop Dogg
canceled his show on Wednesday, the show for Saturday, three

(13:32):
days before it was supposed to happen. Did I or
did I not predict this? I'm so worried about this.
If you've got Snoop tickets, all I want to say
to you is, if you've got Snoop tickets, just make
find something else that's happening in Manecow that night, so
you've got a back up plant? Did I not? Was
that two set two thursdays ago? Was it two weeks ago?
I already told you what was going to happen. So
now me and the girls have to figure out how

(13:53):
we're going to get two hundred and forty five dollars
each back from Pato. Pato, mate, you are in my sights, Peto.
If you don't know who I'm talking about, Peto Alvarez.
Ho's the one who organized the Snoop Dogg show that
we all knew was not gonna happen, because you don't
organize a show in August and announce it and start
selling tickets for a show in September, dodgey as, and

(14:14):
then you start charging people two hundred and forty five
dollars and did it anyway, didn't I? So who am
I to blame anyone for falling into Pato's trap? I
did anyway. And then Peto gets outed as old mate
who was in trouble with the law for the sex
crimes and stuff. So anyway, what has happened is Oh
and by the way, Peto, the reason I've got real
beef with Peto is because Peto also took other people's
money for two other festivals and then canceled and didn't

(14:36):
give the money back. So I'll let you know if
I get my money back, I'm not feeling. All refunds
will be automatically processed by event Finder in the next
two to five days. Forward entertainment set on social media.
We'll see about that. We will see about that? Or
have I just blown two hundred and forty five dollars? Anyway,
the girls will have a night out anyway, because once

(14:57):
you've organized babysitting, what are you to do? You know,
we'll just probably go. So we'll probably go sit in
the car park and we'll probably do you know what,
We'll probably go to a skate bowl somewhere, crack open
some beers and put on Snoop Dogg on the ghetto blaster,
because then we can pretend we're having a concert, can't
we and the babysitters at home? Anyway, I was going
to talk to you about politics and stuff, and now

(15:18):
I've wasted all the time doing that. We're going to
the US very shortly. Charles Feldman is there for us
and five o'clock, Keisha Castle Hughes I will explain.

Speaker 2 (15:31):
Digging deeper into the day's headlines.

Speaker 1 (15:33):
It's Heather duper cell and drive with one New Zealand
coverage like no one else news talks.

Speaker 2 (15:39):
They'd be.

Speaker 13 (15:42):
Duck you right.

Speaker 3 (15:49):
Let me get you up to speed with way. Keisha
Castle Hughes is going to be on the show after
five o'clock. Do you remember some time ago we chatted
to a chap called John who had been living in
the States, but is he can fuck a Papa Mari
been living in the States for ages and had his
kids over in the States, and because he himself was
a New Zealand citizen by descent, he couldn't automatically pass

(16:10):
it on to his kids unless they were born in
New Zealand, which they weren't. They were born in the States,
so as a result, they are American citizens, are not
Kiwi citizens. He's come back been shocked to find that
he can't pass it on to his kids because, as
I say, they fucking Papa Mari. He then launched lodged
acclaim with the truth the White Tonguey Tribunal to try
to argue that his kids should be automatically granted citizenship

(16:32):
because the part Mari Keisha Castle Hughes has appeared at
the tribunal today. It's been a two day hearing yesterday
and today she's appeared there submitting on his behalf and
arguing the same thing that anybody who can say that
that can prove that their MARRII should automatically be given
citizenship to this country because the same kind of ish
thing happened to her daughter where Keisha was born in

(16:53):
Australia to one of her parents's party. Therefore she is
a citizen by descent. She had her child in New
York during COVID, therefore couldn't pass it on, couldn't pass
citizenship onto her child. Came back to New Zealand, child
wasn't a citizen, created all kinds of trouble. Eventually she
had to appeal to the minister and Brook van Velden
had to intervene and give the child citizenship. But anyway,

(17:15):
she's made this claim to the you know, support of
the claim to the White Tonguey Tribunal. She's going to
be with us after five o'clock and explain that to us.
Barry Soaper is with us in ten minutes time. I've
got Charles Feldman in the US and it's twenty three
away from five.

Speaker 2 (17:26):
It's the world wires on news talks. They'd be drive.

Speaker 3 (17:30):
So Trump has arrived in the UK for his second
state visit. He signaled he's open to trade concessions.

Speaker 14 (17:35):
Then what is here?

Speaker 15 (17:35):
If they could refine a great deal and then ever,
reverted deal and it's a great deal.

Speaker 14 (17:40):
And I'm meant to helping them. Mark country is doing
very well.

Speaker 3 (17:44):
Before departing the US, Trump clashed with an Australian journalist
who asked about his personal business dealings while in office.

Speaker 8 (17:50):
Where are you from, I'm from.

Speaker 16 (17:51):
The Australian Broadcartney Hall and Paul Porn.

Speaker 8 (17:53):
And pro livery Australias.

Speaker 10 (17:55):
You're hurting Australia right in my opinion, you are hurting
Australia very much. Right now.

Speaker 3 (18:00):
Now, this is just days before Albanesi is due to
arrive in the US for talks.

Speaker 2 (18:04):
Now they want to get along with me.

Speaker 1 (18:05):
You know your leader is coming over to see me.

Speaker 8 (18:08):
Very sir, I'm going to.

Speaker 10 (18:09):
Tell them about you.

Speaker 2 (18:10):
You said a very bad tone.

Speaker 3 (18:12):
And by the way, that was Trump confirming for the
first time that Albanzi actually has a meeting with him.
And when the reporter tried to push further, Trump just
had one word quiet. Quiet. Finally, the oldest mummies ever
to be found have been uncovered in China and Vietnam.
They're about fourteen thousand years old. That is ten thousand
years older than the mummies we previously thought were the

(18:32):
world's oldest in Egypt.

Speaker 1 (18:34):
International Correspondence with Ends and Eye Insurance, Peace of Mind
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Speaker 3 (18:41):
Charles feld In the US correspondents with US. Now, Hey, Charles, Hey, Heather. Okay,
so we've got Charlie Kirk's murder accused appearing in court
for the first time. What's the latest here.

Speaker 15 (18:51):
Well, he appeared by video and there's a lot of
new evidence that was presented at the court. Found out,
for example, that he apparently had an exchange This is,
of course, the suspect in exchange of text messages with
his roommate, who also happened to be someone he was

(19:11):
romantically involved with, where if you accept at face value
those text messages, he would seem to indicate that he
was confessing to the murder of Charlie Kirk. And when
his roommate asked why, his response was along the lines

(19:31):
of that he couldn't tolerate what, in his view was
the hate that and he was referring to a hate
speech of course, that Charlie Kirk was spreading on his
campus debates. So we learned that. We learned that the
State of Utah is planning to seek the death penalty
if he's convicted, not at all clear if a jury

(19:54):
will go along with that. And also in the states
on the states that do have the death penalty, these
things do play out over many, many years. So this
is something that's going to take a very long time.

Speaker 3 (20:08):
Did you see anything in the text messages that have
been released that caught your eye? I mean, it seemed
to me the remarkable thing about it was how calm
he wasn't explaining why he did the thing that he
had done.

Speaker 15 (20:20):
Yes, I mean, and I think that that's actually a
very precise way of putting it, Heather. He was very
matter of fact. He didn't seem to be trying in
any way, shape or form to conceal his actions. But
he wasn't boastful either. He was you know, at least
my reading of it was he was very straightforward. He said,

(20:40):
you know, this is what I did. I had an
opportunity and I decided to take that opportunity. And his roommate,
who is apparently cooperating with authorities, was incredulous and at
first said, you know, you're kidding, right, And obviously he wasn't.

Speaker 3 (20:57):
Kidding, Yeah, not at all. Now, listen, the terrorism child
against Luigi Mangioni have been dropped y.

Speaker 15 (21:03):
Well, because terrorism charges at the state level is kind
of a new thing here in the States. Terrorism chargers
typically are for federal cases. Some states passed their own
terrorism laws after nine to eleven. They've rarely been prosecuted

(21:26):
in court, and so the prosecutors were going for it,
but the judge said, no, you know, not really enough
there to say that this was a terrorism case, because
terrorism implies all kinds of political philosophies and that sort
of thing, and that was, in the Dredges view absent
from this particular case. So therefore no terrorism charge.

Speaker 3 (21:50):
Yeah, do yourinckon. Trump's going to cut some deals with Stama.

Speaker 15 (21:53):
Well, he wanted to cut deals, right, I mean, you know,
look the whole reason, as you know, the Brits decided
to have him back. Trump back for a second unprecedented
Steed Visit was in their hopes that by buttering him
up they would get a better deal when it comes
to trade and tariffs, and Trump is planning to have

(22:15):
some signing of agreements along the lines of high tech
and that sort of thing.

Speaker 1 (22:20):
You know.

Speaker 15 (22:20):
Trump likes to be treated like a monarch, so it's
kind of a meeting of monarchs, if you will.

Speaker 3 (22:27):
Yeah, that's one way of looking at it. Charles, Thanks
very much, Charles Beeldtman, you is correspondent.

Speaker 2 (22:34):
Either Dup c Ellen Hither.

Speaker 3 (22:36):
I'm still trying to get our money from Bloody Drake
canceling lord. That was months ago. Okay, two to five days.
We'll see about that with old snoop. So here are
the text messages, and what you'll find remarkable about it
if you react the same way that I did, is
just how as Charles said, how matter of fact he
is about the thing that he's just done, which is

(22:57):
allegedly kill a man. So he missed which his roommate
is his transgender lover. Right, He messages his roommate says,
drop what you're looking. Look under my keyboard. Roommate looks
under the keyboard, finds a note It says I had
the opportunity to take out Charlie Kirk, and I'm going
to do it. After reading the note, the roommate then
texts back, says, are you joking as in what exclamation exclamation, exclamation,

(23:20):
explanation You're joking, right, exclamation exclamation, exclamation, exclamation. He takes back,
I am still okay, my love, but I am stuck
in Auham for a little while longer yet shouldn't be
long until I can come home. But I got to
grab my rifle still. To be honest, I had hoped
to keep this secret till I died of old age.
I'm sorry to involve you. Roommate says you weren't the
one who did it right. Plenty of exclamation question marks thereafter.

(23:44):
Robinson says back, I am, I'm sorry. Roommate says I
thought they caught the person. Robinson says no, they grabbed
some crazy old dudes then interrogated someone in similar clothing.
I had planned to grab my rifle from my drop
points shortly after, but most of that side of town
got locked down. It's quiet all my enough to get out,
but there's one vehicle lingering. Presumably it's a police vehicle.
Roommates says why. Robinson says, why did I do it?

(24:08):
Roommates says yeah. Robinson says I had enough of his hatred.
Some hate can't be negotiated out. If I'm able to
grab my rifle unseen, I will have left no evidence.
Going to attempt to retrieve it again, hopefully, they have
moved on. I haven't seen anything about them finding it
Isn't that just so weird? Sixteen away from.

Speaker 1 (24:29):
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Speaker 3 (24:33):
Certady very so for senior political correspondence with US Hallo, Barry,
Good afternoon, Heather So. Has Nichola Will has been asked
about the GDP?

Speaker 14 (24:40):
No, she was well, she was asked about it in parliament.
Was the indication was that the economy is not doing
what it should be.

Speaker 3 (24:48):
Doing because the numbers coming out tomorrow.

Speaker 14 (24:49):
The GDP number is coming out tomorrow, but it covers
April to June, so it's well out. It's way back.
You've got to say economists and anticipate a contraction in
the economy. Forecasts fall between zero point three and zero
point five percent. It should be remembered though, that that
followed a zero point eight percent at the beginning of

(25:12):
the year. So we started off quite positively and then
started going downhill. And this one is not going to
be good news. And you'd have to say the finance
ministers it pained to emphasize that tomorrow's number is not
going to be a good one. Nikola Will has told
Parliament this afternoon. It's important to put the figure into
some sort of perspective though.

Speaker 6 (25:32):
This is a good example of backward looking data. The
second quarter started on the first of April, before the
Liberation Day tariff announcements, think the biggest hit to trade
openness since the nineteen thirties, and we are now only
a couple of weeks away from the fourth quarter. Peering
in the rear view mirror, forecasters are picking a negative

(25:55):
number for growth in Q two, somewhere between negative zero
points three percent to negative zero point five percent.

Speaker 14 (26:03):
So not going to be good. She's certainly softening the blow,
there's no doubt about that. But she did say that
she believes now the court we're in at the moment
will be plus zero point five percent with the final
quarter of this year. So she said this publicly just
under one percent. So one can only hope the economy

(26:23):
is turning the corner, and we see the trade deficit
today was quite minimal compared to what it has been.

Speaker 3 (26:30):
Yeah, well, she's obviously feeling sensitive about it because those
that poll that came out yesterday, yep, was that you know,
she and the current government are copying the blame.

Speaker 14 (26:38):
For this they are copying.

Speaker 3 (26:39):
The blame Parens vote is a concern, all right. So
Shane Jones has been elected to a position that probably
all of us assumed he had anyway.

Speaker 14 (26:48):
Yeah, I don't think we've even thought about a deputy
Leader of New Zealand first. I mean it's dominated so
much by Winston Peter.

Speaker 3 (26:56):
Doesn't Ron Mark the deputy once?

Speaker 14 (26:59):
Yes, he was, although they wanted to be deputy, although
I remember he wanted to be leader, that's right.

Speaker 8 (27:06):
I think he was deputy.

Speaker 14 (27:08):
Fletcher Tabatau, he was deputy between seventeen and twenty when
they first went into coalition with the Labor Party. So
it's an interesting one and I think what it does
is it could signal two things. One to Stuart Nash,
who's clearly wanted to enter the New Zealand First fray

(27:29):
and will no doubt be nominated as a candidate somewhere
along the track.

Speaker 3 (27:35):
Well it's telling him Shane Stillson, that's.

Speaker 14 (27:37):
Right, Yeah, that's right. The other thing it could indicate
is that Winston Peters is considering his own retirement, although
I wouldn't put any money on that at all. I
mean he might be eighty, but as an octagenarian Winston
performs still pretty well. He's a good foreign minister and
I think he quite likes the job and he will want,
i think probably to run again next year of his

(28:00):
healthholds up, and it looks as though it's holding up.

Speaker 3 (28:03):
My question not why if he was prepared to hand
it out to others beforehand, like Fletcher and Ron, why
he made Shane work so bloody hard for it. He
because they've been deputyless this entire term.

Speaker 14 (28:15):
Well, nobody noticed though that that's the thing. And look,
Shane Jones is a performer. I think he's one of
the better performers in Parliament. He hits the nail on
the head. He might get up the back of many,
but he's a very good orator and I think is
a very colorful member of New Zealand first. And they
could do worse in appointing him as the leader. After

(28:37):
Winston finally calls it quit.

Speaker 3 (28:39):
So has National got in trouble for making the announcements
of announcers? Oh well, they are wont to do well
this This.

Speaker 14 (28:46):
Gave me a fit of dejacuvous, I've got to say, though.
It was a case of the pot calling the kettle
Black when Chris Hopkins went after the government for making
announcements of an announcement, Labor made an art form of that.
You'll remember when it was in government in its own
right and we were constantly talking about it on this program.

(29:06):
Still Trippy seems to have a short memory because he
was pointing the finger at Chris Luxen for doing exactly
the same thing here.

Speaker 3 (29:13):
He is he's more interested in announcements than actually funding
and delivering the infrastructure that New Zealand needs.

Speaker 17 (29:20):
A crocodile tears.

Speaker 8 (29:23):
Crocodile tears were.

Speaker 17 (29:25):
Trying to gaslight the nation here.

Speaker 1 (29:27):
Let's just be clear.

Speaker 8 (29:28):
You crashed the joint. You didn't deliver anything.

Speaker 18 (29:31):
It's incredibly disappointing after six years, three years with an
absoute jot, you did so very very little.

Speaker 5 (29:36):
South d Seywall.

Speaker 18 (29:39):
Is the government committed to construction projects that are actually
constructed or is there any circumstance where it would ever
content itself with announcing bike bridges and light rail that
doesn't get built for.

Speaker 8 (29:52):
Years and years and years.

Speaker 17 (29:53):
We have real projects, not phantom projects.

Speaker 14 (29:57):
I'll tell you that baby Boomer's bike to Berken here.
We will never forget that. I mean, I think they
spent what fifty million dollars on that, and we're still
waiting on the bike bridge to Burken here.

Speaker 3 (30:10):
I think we're still waiting for an idea quite as
stupid as that. Thank you, Barry, exactly appreciate it. Barry
So for Senior political correspondent eight away from five, putting.

Speaker 1 (30:18):
The tough questions to the newspeakers, the mic asking breakfast.

Speaker 10 (30:21):
To big aviation action plan.

Speaker 2 (30:23):
James Megas, the Associate Minister of Transport. Is this a fix,
a revolution or a bit.

Speaker 19 (30:27):
Of a prot It'll fix some issues, but it also
a little bit future looking about advanced aviation, how do
we get bitter use out of drones?

Speaker 2 (30:34):
What's the hole up with pilots that people don't want
to be a pilot? Is it too expensive?

Speaker 8 (30:37):
And what's going on again to a.

Speaker 2 (30:38):
Mix of both.

Speaker 19 (30:39):
It is quite expensive to be a pilot, about one
hundred thousand dollars to train. It takes slightly longer to
train here in New Zealand.

Speaker 2 (30:44):
Somebody, Tommy, there's a loan cap on training to be
a pilot. Is that true?

Speaker 19 (30:47):
Yeah, there is some statistics that showed that it took
quite a while.

Speaker 11 (30:50):
For those bones to be paid back and the industry
has called for that to be looked at and that
is part of the action plan.

Speaker 4 (30:55):
Back tomorrow at six am the mic Asking Breakfast with
Rain Drover News Talk zeb.

Speaker 3 (31:02):
Listen a couple of things I need to get you
up to date on because we're going to talk about
this in the next hour. Tikitane is a bunch of
group amongst a group of artists in New Zealand and
around the world actually who are leaving Spotify and because
they're not happy with Spotify the amount of money Spotify
is paying them to use their music. Apparently, every time
you stream a Tikitane song, he gets one twentieth of

(31:22):
a New Zealand cent, so you have to stream the
song twenty times just for him to get one cent.
His song Always on My Mind, which is as big
as tune he's made in the history of that song,
He's made seventy six dollars of Spotify. So we're going
to talk to him about it in about twenty minutes.
We have a second case by the way of a
judge ordering police to give among roal Mob member the
patch back. Chap's name is sid Terata. He was cons

(31:45):
he had his patch confiscated. He was riding his motorbike
in the middle of the night in Lower Hut and
the cops pulled him over. Then he was abusive towards
the cops. He refused a breath test, refused a blood test,
didn't have a motorbike license, went he had patch taken
off him. Then it went to court. The judge found
because he was riding in the middle of the night,
it wasn't causing public disorder and because he was going

(32:05):
home from a tonguey he would have been tired and emotional.
So as a result, the judge accepted that that sid
had just made a mistake, and the judge has ordered
the cops to give the patch back, which I'm not
sure is kind of what we expected when we started
confiscating the patches. Anyway, el Gillespie warned about this happening.

(32:26):
Unless the law is changed to basically say the patches
have to be destroyed, this will continue to happen. So
he's going to talk us through all of this when
he's with us. After half bus five. Kesha Castle hughes
next with us on why anybody who fucking up as
Maori should have the ability to pass on citizenship to
their kids. Newstalks 'db space from a super latual flue,

(32:50):
Mister trick flood.

Speaker 1 (32:54):
Ivenly Venue, pressing the newsmakers to get the real story.
It's Heather duper zell and Drive with One New Zealand
to coverage like no one else.

Speaker 2 (33:09):
News Talks be.

Speaker 3 (33:12):
Afternoon, we have yet another urgent white tonguey Tribunal hearing,
this time challenging where the Maori born overseas and their
kids born overseas have an automatic right to citizenship in
New Zealand, even in cases where others would not be
entitled to it.

Speaker 4 (33:25):
Now.

Speaker 3 (33:25):
The claim was brought by John Ruddick. We've spoken to
him on this show, and it was supported by the
actress Keisha Castle Hughes, who's been there for the past
two days. Keisha, Hello, cure to Heather, So what happened
with you? Is it that your daughter didn't automatically get
citizenship because both you and she were born overseas?

Speaker 11 (33:43):
Yes, that is correct. So because I was born overseas
to a Mary mother and an Australian father, I have
citizenship by descent, and as it currently stands, once you
have citizenships by descent, you can't pass that on to
your tamariki unless you're tamariki born in New Zealand.

Speaker 3 (34:02):
And so then you came back here, did you try
to apply citizenship? Apply for citizenship here for her?

Speaker 11 (34:09):
Initially I applied for a passport when my daughter was
born in twenty twenty one, and that was the first
kind of instance that I was I realized that she
didn't have an access way to citizenship. And then from
there it's been a very long winding road with the
Department of Internal Affairs and she's now almost four and

(34:32):
a half and we've just three weeks ago and granted
her New Zealand citizenship.

Speaker 3 (34:36):
And is that because the minister intervened?

Speaker 11 (34:40):
Yes, that was because the minister intervened.

Speaker 3 (34:42):
I believe Why did the minister have to intervene? Like
could you would? Was there not a pathway for you
where you would simply go through the same process as
anybody else applying for citizenship, waiting the five years and
then getting it.

Speaker 11 (34:54):
The petition to the minister is a pathway. So that
was the pathway that I was on. Yeah, and it's
at the minister's discretion. However, there's not there's no timeline.
There is no timeline to that, yeah, as it's kind
of a case by case situation. But the reason that

(35:14):
I had other MP's reach out to the minister directly
because we were on a tricky time crunch because we
had relocated back to New Zealand and my daughter was
a New Zealand on a tourist fever. So I only
had a limit of time that she'd be able to
be in the kind of well.

Speaker 3 (35:34):
I see, okay. So had it been in other circumstances,
you would have been able to follow the normal part, Like,
it's not like she's cut off altogether, right, she would
have eventually been able to get citizenship.

Speaker 11 (35:44):
No, she didn't have She had no direct pathway to citizenship.
So there is because there's no pathway for citizens of
descent for their children unless their children are born in
New Zealand.

Speaker 3 (35:55):
Oh I see okay. Now, so what is your argument
to the Tribunally You basically argue that tongue a defena
would deserve special access to citizenship, not.

Speaker 11 (36:04):
Necessarily special access. But there's not there's not clear verb
it within the submission as it currently stands that fucker
puppa pathways that there is an acces know, there's not
a way to quantify a fucker papa pathway, and so
it's you know, there's there's some there's some parts of

(36:27):
the direct petition in which you can submit documentation about
familial ties slash fucker pappa. However, there's not really anything
that's specific to being Mary or being tongue at t Fena.

Speaker 3 (36:44):
Okay, So so you're argue, is you just correct me
if I'm wrong here? This is not being able to
argue familial ties for any ethnicity that is currently in
the country. Is it just for Maori that you're arguing?

Speaker 11 (36:55):
Yes?

Speaker 3 (36:56):
Why?

Speaker 2 (36:56):
Yeah?

Speaker 11 (36:56):
And you know, and to be clear that I was
giving evidence another claimants urgent case just because we had
a similar situation that he's going through and they asked
to give evidence, and the reason being because for me
as a mama and for my daughter who is Tanua

(37:17):
to Fenoa, there were genuine implications in terms of her
not being able to live in New Zealand, go to
school without paying international school fees, receive healthcare, and also
too as Tongue to Fenoa. In my opinion is that
in Altedo is the only place that as Maori we

(37:38):
can be Mary you know, you're Maori everywhere. But it's
the only place that she can go to, Cokopapa, that
she can go to Coungay, all that she can participate
in life as Hangena in that capacity, and that wasn't
looking like it was going to be a possibility.

Speaker 3 (37:55):
Keisha, thanks for talking to us. Appreciate a Keisha Castle
Hugh's actress. Ever, duz La Okay China's ambassadors accusing our
spies of harassing a Chinese citizen at the border, he
says the sis questioned the man without cause and then
confiscated his devices, some of them he hasn't been able
to get back yet. ISAs Minister Judith Collins, though, says
New Zealand has the right to protect its own borders.
John Battersby is a security expert and teaching fellow at

(38:18):
Massive University and with us. Hello John, Hello, what do
you think has gone on here?

Speaker 20 (38:24):
I don't think too much has gone on here. I
think the Minister's correct. New Zealand has the right to
protect its borders from any number of risk that sees.
It could be biosecurity, it could be organized crime, it
could could be anything. So we've got the right to
do that, and clearly that's what our agencies were doing
on this partecular occasion. I'm surprised a little bit that

(38:44):
the Embassy has made at public that somebody was stopped
and questioned. I'm pretty sure it doesn't happen to everybody,
but it would happen feely, routinely in a number of countries.
Older thoughts, So I think it's a little bit more
than it needs to be need to be fair.

Speaker 3 (39:01):
What do you think then, is going on here? Is
this a sign of increasing tensions between New Zealand and China?
Like stuff that they would normally let slip they are
not going to tolerate.

Speaker 20 (39:10):
I think there seems to be a little bit of
surface level tension going on. At the moment, there was
the threatened environment assessment, the Chorney's to know all about that,
and then this has sort of come in. So, yes,
a little bit of surface level tension. China is our
strongest export market, it's our largest trading partner. We are friends,

(39:31):
we are not enemies. So I would say surface level
tension and likely to be dissipated as long as nobody
makes eating more of it.

Speaker 3 (39:41):
Yeah, brilliant, Hey, John, always good to talk to you.

Speaker 17 (39:43):
Thank you.

Speaker 3 (39:43):
John Battersby security expert in teaching fellow at Massive.

Speaker 2 (39:46):
University, Heather Dupless. The the Ugly.

Speaker 3 (39:49):
Bridge situation in Wellington has gone from one extreme to
the other. So just the other day they had it
barricaded off and they were about to blow the thing
up and get rid of it and demolish it would
not be there anymore. And now after they halted that
on account of the fact that the government's bringing out
its earthquake wher it's review of the earthquake standards by
the end of the month and maybe it'll save the bridge.
On account of that. Now the bridge it's gone from

(40:10):
being basically demolished to being renovated. So the Council's chief
operating Officer, James Roberts, has emailed the counselors saying they
have to do some maintenance because they've been postponing it
for the last few years. And they're going to do
some work on the Civic Square precinct because they're going
to reopen it in March, and while they're doing work there,
they may as well do work on the bridge as well,
which is to say, I think all of this you
could join the dots here, can't you, which is that

(40:33):
the bridge is staying. I feel like they already know
that those earthquake standards are going to save that hideous bridge,
So it's unfortunate. I mean, I'm happy for Wellington that
it gets to save money because the demolition was going
to cost a lot, But I am sad for Wellington
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Speaker 2 (42:03):
Together do for c Ellen youson man.

Speaker 3 (42:09):
Right nineteen past five. Now Here we musicians are joining
the boycott of Spotify and quitting the platform, pulling all
their music off it. They say they're not getting paid
nearly enough for their art. Tikitane is one of the
musicians and with us.

Speaker 2 (42:20):
Hey, Tikei Currea, how are you.

Speaker 3 (42:22):
I'm well, I'm well, Thank you mate. Now is it Jay?
Is it true you've only got seventy six dollars since
you put always on my mind on the platform, that's
all you've ever got.

Speaker 13 (42:33):
No where hear that from.

Speaker 3 (42:34):
Oh my producer told me that. Is he telling me
fibbs seventy six?

Speaker 12 (42:38):
No, like, it's it done twenty seven million streams. So
that works out to be one hundred and eight thousand dollars.

Speaker 7 (42:44):
Oh, that's not bad, it's not bad.

Speaker 12 (42:46):
But then that's fourteen years. And then you've got to
take away twenty percent for the aggregator in the accounting,
so that takes down about eighty seven thousand. Then you've
got to pay tax on that thirty three percent, so
that's around fifty seven thousand. So round fifty seven thousand
dollars on my mind as maybe in the fourteen years, it's.

Speaker 3 (43:02):
Been honest, it's not enough to live off, is it not?

Speaker 4 (43:05):
Really?

Speaker 12 (43:05):
But that's not the point. The point is the platform
is rotten, it's corrupt, it's greedy, and they're investing in
war tech and it's just not a good place to be.

Speaker 3 (43:16):
So why are you actually boycotting? Are you boycotting because
of all the stuff or is it because of the money.

Speaker 7 (43:21):
Absolutely?

Speaker 12 (43:22):
Absolutely, Look, there's about ten reasons why, and I could
talk to you for an hour about it if you like.
But to cut it down, I love music, I love
creating music, but I also have to take a stand
against corruption, against greed, against war, against murder. So that
the easiest thing for me to do to help support
that is to take my music off this platform and

(43:44):
cancel my subscription and look for platforms that are transparent,
are fear, and align more of my vibe.

Speaker 3 (43:52):
Are you not worried though, that there will be a
whole bunch of people who will never hear of you
and enjoy your music and then spend money coming to
see you because they because you will use Spotify.

Speaker 12 (44:04):
No, well, that's the thing. It's you think you will
use Spotify, but there's actually a whole culture out there
who are anti Spotify. My music's on about nine platforms
and it's doing great on all these other platforms that
you just never hear about it, and these other platforms.
These other platforms pay way better, Like title plays four
times more than Spotify.

Speaker 2 (44:22):
Title.

Speaker 12 (44:23):
I'm on YouTube Music, Apple Music, I'm on band Camp,
on SoundCloud, I'm on Deezer. It's just there's so many more.
Plus I'm looking at other platforms that are really cool
to starting up like Coder. There's also q put. There's
also another great one. It's it's called subvert music. So
these amazing platforms out there who actually care about music,

(44:46):
care about artists, and who want to have a fear
transparence system.

Speaker 3 (44:50):
Brilliant. Okay, so you can actually make enough to live off? Yes, absolutely,
just not that Spotify.

Speaker 12 (44:55):
No, you can. It depends what everyone's different. This is
a complex situation for everybody. For me, I Spotify just
makes up like a tiny piece of the pie, you
know what I mean.

Speaker 2 (45:05):
So I've got.

Speaker 12 (45:06):
Income coming from playing live, mentoring my you know, the
music I make for films, the publishing, doing sound for
shape Shifter, or so many different sections and income revenue
coming from these different places. Now, if you're an artist
that solely relies on Spotify, then it's going to be
really hard for them to leave. So there's going to

(45:27):
be a big backing for them. So for me, I've
spent years building up to this point, building all these
other platforms up my website, and so now's the time
I'm so ready to take my music off and it's
super liberating. It feels good.

Speaker 3 (45:39):
Good stuff, man, Listen, thank you so much for talking
us through. That's Tekana Keywa musician. Right. Let's deal next
with there some discussion about the citizenship five two.

Speaker 1 (45:48):
Today's newspakers talk to Heather First, Heather Duplicy Ellen Drive
with One New Zealand and the power of satellite mobile
news songs the B five.

Speaker 3 (45:58):
Twenty five look, I have some some but for the
fact that Keisha and John, whose claim she is supporting
at the White Tonguy Tribunal, are disappointed that their children
don't automatically qualify as citizens of New Zealand given that
they're Maori and therefore clearly descended from this land. But
New Zealand cannot start handing out citizenship automatically to anyone
who can prove Maori descent. Set aside the fact that

(46:18):
we should never give special citizenship rights to an ethnic group,
to one ethnic group and not to others, because that
is the pathway to all kinds of trouble. We simply
can't afford this financially. Already, nearly a million of us
fucker Papa marii as at the last census, right, that's
twenty percent of the population or thereabouts. That proportion is
only going to grow with each passing generation, and as

(46:39):
generations go on, heaps those kids will move overseas like
our kids do now, generation after generation. We already have
the second biggest diaspora in the developed world per capita,
and that number will also only grow, which means that theoretically,
and a few generations, we could have millions and millions
of people out there with Australian accents and American accents,
and Irish accents and English accents who can prove that

(47:01):
they fuck upup a mari and could at any point
if we change the rules, get citizenship to New Zealand.
Now that's not a problem if they live somewhere like
Australia with a generous, generous health system. But what if
they live in the States, where healthcare is expensive. They could,
like any New Zealand citizen who lives in Irelands already,
come back here for their health care, get it for free,
paid for by the New Zealand taxpayer, and then go

(47:22):
off home to the US. They could send their kids
back here for free university study, then go back home
to wherever and never repay the debt. Yet another burden
for the New Zealand taxpayer. Limits on descendants claiming citizenship
are not outrageous. Many countries already do this. My grandmother
was German, so my dad could claim German citizenship. But
when I you know, even though I fuck up up

(47:44):
to Germany, I can't claim German citizenship. The rules do
not allow it. We have these rules for a reason.
If we change them, we change them for everybody who
fuck up up is to New Zealand, not just for Mari.
But we shouldn't change them because it could be incredibly expensive,
a duplicy Ellen ministers have already shot down this idea.
Here's David Seymour.

Speaker 18 (48:04):
So yeah, look, I think Keisha Karshill Hughes Frankly should
stick to whale riding. I mean, the problem is that
we are all New Zealanders. We all have the same rights.

Speaker 3 (48:13):
Before the law Heather put a generational two limit. We
already have a generational two limit. That is the problem
here anyway. I mean, I mean you could probably guess
how the white tonguey Tribunal is going to go on this,
and it's just going to be ignored. Anyway. We'll punt
it to the huddle in just a minute. We have
got a case, by the way of another judge giving
another gang patch back to another mongrel mob member. And

(48:37):
we're going to deal with that with Elgaly Spinex news talks,
they'd be just.

Speaker 1 (48:41):
For you person over again. The name you trust to
get the answers you need, it's Heather Duplicy Ellen Drive
with one New Zealand coverage like no one else us talk.

Speaker 15 (48:55):
They'd be.

Speaker 2 (48:58):
Heather.

Speaker 3 (49:01):
Could you ask whether Laura of the German's baby would
get automatic German citizenship? And would it? Maybe it does, Yes,
Laura's children get automatic citizenship. She applies for it if
they're borne overseas because she is a citizen. But their
children don't automatically get Oh, you know, like it doesn't
you can't. It's like same same for me. My grandmother

(49:22):
was German, can get I can't get it unless my
dad was German. And I don't think he was German
in the end. I think he just got a bit
lazy there and didn't apply for it. Anyway. Who's crying
about that? Who cares? The huddle is going to be
with us shortly. And and there's a fascinating article something
I'm becoming obsessed with, which is the idea that you
have to let your children just go out and play
by themselves and not monitor them in order to help

(49:43):
them to kind of grow into fully functioning adults. I'm
going to run you through the details of that before
six o'clock. We have a second case, by the way,
twenty four to six, we have a second case of
a judge ordering police to give a MNGAL mob member
his patchback. So what's happened here is Sidterata was busted
writing his motive in the middle of the night and
Lowerheart near his patch on, and the judge found because

(50:03):
he was riding in the middle of the night, he
wasn't causing public disorder and he was coming home from
a tonguey so he would have been emotional. And the
judge accepted he'd made a mistake and so told the
cops hand the patch back. Al Gillespie is a White
Cuttle University law professor. Heyl has the judge made a
fair call here or is he being too soft?

Speaker 13 (50:21):
It's the same call that we had a couple of
weeks ago. That the law does not mandate that the
patch has to be destroyed, and if there's a discretion
in the law, then judges are able to utilize it
as they have done. We might disagree with it, yeah,
and if you want it, and if you do disagree
with it, that's fine. But change the law. But just
because a judge interprets it in that way, that's their call.

Speaker 3 (50:42):
Has the judge, I mean, correct me if I'm wrong,
But it also sounds like the judges basically made the
call that the cops shouldn't have necessarily taken it, often
because he was tired and emotional and just driving around
a night.

Speaker 13 (50:53):
That's not how I see the case. I mean, part
of the penalty is still involved him having a gang
patch in a public place, which is the basis of
the law, and he's face penalty to that, and that's
correct and it's a good thing. The bigger question is
whether the gang patch should be destroyed, and the law
does not mandate that it must be destroyed. There's a
possibility for what the judge may do, but it is
not mandated that he must do it. If Parliament wants

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to change it, change it.

Speaker 3 (51:17):
Paul Goldsmith says it's only a couple of cases, not
a big deal. But if it's a couple of cases,
shouldn't we expect there will be more of these.

Speaker 13 (51:26):
I think we could see more. Yeah, I think that's
quite possible. But we've got to also take a step
back here and actually think about the issue at hand.
And that's sort of like the actual destruction of private property,
especially of insignia, which some people may find objectionable. This
is a different area that we need to think carefully
about because there are certain objectionable things in our society

(51:50):
that you may want to prohibit and then if you
have to destroy them all, and that could have far
reaching implications.

Speaker 3 (51:56):
Expand on that, what do you mean, Well, you could.

Speaker 13 (51:58):
Think about saying Nazi and Sydney, and some people would
say find that very objectionable, and whether that should be
destroyed or prohibited. But you've still got an argument to
free speech, even though we disagree with it. But if
it's in private, or if it's in public, it's a
different debate. But if it's in private, whether you want
to actually get into someone's house and say you aren't
allowed that to sign at all, it is very different
from saying you can't wear it in public.

Speaker 3 (52:19):
Okay, so basically he's not allowed to wear it in public,
but he can get it back and wear it around
the house.

Speaker 13 (52:25):
That it's an option for It's about the problem that
gang patches cause when they're in public, for intimidation and
for identity. And there's a lot of good things that
are happening from this law. But it's not about saying
that the gang patch itself was prohibited. It's about saying
that the gang patch in public is prohibited.

Speaker 3 (52:42):
Right, Al, thank you so much for explaining. Al Gillespie,
law professor at Wycoff University. Now Police Minister Mark Mitchell
was asked about this.

Speaker 5 (52:49):
Yeah, I am disappointed, without a doubt, but like I said,
I don't comment on judicial decisions.

Speaker 3 (52:55):
He's revealed that the decisions are being appealed.

Speaker 14 (52:58):
We've got a process for that and the process has
been followed.

Speaker 7 (53:01):
And that quite simply.

Speaker 3 (53:02):
Is it the police appealed and they're getting crowned or.

Speaker 14 (53:04):
A bloss a second?

Speaker 3 (53:06):
Twenty away from.

Speaker 1 (53:06):
Six The Huddle with New Zealand Southeby's International Realty.

Speaker 2 (53:11):
Find your one.

Speaker 3 (53:12):
Of a kind on the Huddle with us this season
we have Liam here, political commentator, also lawyer, and Jack Tame,
host of Q and A and Saturday Mornings on z B.
Hello you two, Liam, So, as a lawyer, what do
you reckon should we destroy this personal property or leave
open the option to give it back?

Speaker 21 (53:27):
Oh, we shouldn't destroy it unless the government's got the
express power to do so. Like I'm not against the
gang patch band. I'm also often very critical of the
courts for oversetting their bounds. But if the law, it's
a statute, says that the crime is wearing it in
public and it doesn't mandate that they we destroyed after

(53:47):
it BC's Actually it seems like the judge actually just
made a ruling in accordance with the actual law as written,
and if there's a problem with that, the law needs
to be updated and changed. The judge is not allowed
to so weird gag.

Speaker 3 (54:02):
But what do you reckon, Liam? Do we update the
law to destroy something like this?

Speaker 21 (54:07):
Well, look, I'm not really sure that that the squeeze
will be worth the juice to answer with you. I mean,
you know, like, so what he's got it now? He
can't the mischief as wearing it in public. He can't
wear it in public. He's not allowed to wear it
in public as you say he can. He can stitch
it on his bath roobe and wear it around the
house for or it it's actually the law isn't to
be there to be redate public behavior, not behave behind

(54:30):
closed dollars.

Speaker 10 (54:31):
Jack, Yeah, I agree. I mean, if they wanted the
patch to be destroyed every time it was worn in public,
then they did have the option as law makers to
express that in the statue, and they were told yeah, yeah,
and and they chose not to, which means the judge
is the option of discretion, which means you can exercise

(54:51):
that discression and it doesn't get destroyed. I mean that
being said, this whole law is supposed to dissuade gang
members from wearing their gang insignia in public, and I
have to say, as someone who was pretty skeptical about
whether or not this would work, I think it's been
extremely effective so far. But that being said, would updating

(55:11):
the law to mandate the destruction of gang patches have
a meaningful difference on gang behaviors as it stands, I'm
not sure it really would. Is there anyone who would
have worn it in public now who will say, actually,
now that my patch is going to be destroyed, if
I'm called in table like, I won't simply be charged
with wearing it in public. It will also be destroyed.
That's going to be the difference in me wearing it

(55:31):
in public. I don't think that.

Speaker 21 (55:33):
It's like when your teacher took away your frisbee. You know,
when you're playing with the frisbee in class and you
could get it at the end of the day. You know,
that's the problem, isn't frisbee is? The problem is?

Speaker 15 (55:43):
You know.

Speaker 3 (55:46):
What happened.

Speaker 7 (55:49):
Them?

Speaker 21 (55:49):
Well, that is what happens.

Speaker 3 (55:51):
It is what happened to you.

Speaker 21 (55:53):
Well, I've got the saked away from me.

Speaker 2 (55:54):
Yeah.

Speaker 21 (55:55):
Once it's a very specific example.

Speaker 3 (55:56):
No, I'm the reason I'm fascinated by this. I never
threw it for frisbee in class. It wouldn't occur to
me that would be something that I would be able to.

Speaker 10 (56:03):
Liam would have would have loved to have alternatively used
an anecdote for twelve years as a patch member of the.

Speaker 21 (56:11):
Grave.

Speaker 3 (56:13):
Yeah, there are things you can do in class that
you could get away with, you know, like texting on
your phone maybe I don't know, sticking sticking a pen
in somebody's pocket, throwing a frisbee. You're gonna get busted, mate,
Now get a frisbee back at the end of the day. Yeah, Well,
I suppose, listen, Jack, what do you think about the
Shannon Helbert. He's complained that Rahwadi White is he should
answer all questions in Mary and in English, because if

(56:35):
he just answers in Marty, he's creating an exclusive bunch
of Mardi.

Speaker 10 (56:40):
Well, I I have kind of evolved in my thinking
a little bit over over the years and that I
think TEDL Mahry is a Tonga. I think it's really
really valuable. I think it's a treasure in New Zealand.
That being said, I don't think you bring anyone along
if you make them feel excluded, and if you use

(57:00):
language in a way that excludes people, I using it
without translating it, I think that explicitly excludes people. And
I think a lot of to Party Marori's actions at
the moment can be best described as appealing to their
core base, and they're extremely effective at doing that. But
my big critique when it comes to the Party is
I think if they're defined themselves in a position to

(57:22):
govern to affect the change that they actually want to make,
then at some point I think that strategy is going
to have to change.

Speaker 16 (57:29):
And I don't think those Jacks in a way hasn't
in a way, hasn't Shannon actually hit on the very
thing that the Maori Party is trying to do, which
is that they are really You'd have to say, judging
by their actions, that there is an elite group of
mary as far as they're concerned in that, and I
don't think they want to bring people with them.

Speaker 3 (57:46):
They are doing enough and then thing, well.

Speaker 10 (57:50):
Look, look, I mean, I just don't think there's one
view in tow Mardi necessarily, and I certainly think that
the way that to Party Malory have designed all of
their messaging and all of their reach out on social
media has been extremely effective and connecting with people who
feel really energized by this kind of collective view of mardydom.
And yeah, I can see how for some people that

(58:12):
would feel exclusionary, but to my core point, like the
problem is if they isolate themselves from labor much further,
I just cannot see how the Party Mardi is going
to be able to turn all of this energy and
momentum that they've built over the last few years very
impressively into actually affecting the change that they say is
so important.

Speaker 3 (58:31):
Yeah, I'm not even sure that they want to all right,
we'll take a break. Lim, I want to hear what
you've got to say. After the break, quarter two.

Speaker 1 (58:37):
The Huddle with New Zealand Southeby's International Realty, the global
Leader and Luxury real Estate.

Speaker 3 (58:43):
Right back with the huddle, Lim here and Jack tame Lim,
what do you reckon?

Speaker 21 (58:47):
Look, there are two ways to look at this, and
the first is that English is the vernacular language of
New Zealand, right, and there's the language of the people.
It's a lingua franca. So if you are in government
to refuse to to answer in English, he's actually putting
the bird to the whole of the country. But the
second aspect of it is is that he's not in government.

(59:08):
He isn't actually in government. He's only an MP. He's
got constituents. But it does mean that you know, there
is there's a bit more scope than there's a bit
more room to make points because he's only accountable to
his own constituents. And I actually think the politics of
it from just not necessarily from a coalition perspective, but
just from a TPM perspective, the politics of it are

(59:29):
smart because he's going to get in the headlines more.
He's going to he's going to wrestle feathers more. He's
going to increase the profile of his party more by
pulling stunts like this as opposed to actually answering the questions.
If he just answered the questions, we wouldn't be talking
about it, probably wouldn't have made the news. But but
but by doing this, he has made himself a story

(59:51):
that's that's probably smart politics, probably not great for the
party in terms of endearing itself to the whole of
the country, but that's not his aim and and he's
not he's not a government MPs minister, so he's got
a bit more rope.

Speaker 10 (01:00:05):
This is like just a fundamental point and it's one
that you can apply to so much to Parki Marti's
actions over the last couple of years. I mean, regardless
of what you think of the party, what you think
of their policy, they have been extremely effective in opposition
and capturing headlines and you know, actions, acts, stunts even
that absolutely endeared them to their own constituents and supporters.

(01:00:27):
It doesn't necessarily build a huge consensus across the entire elexit,
but I think about what it comes to building, building
support and maintaining support with their with their own supporters
have been incredibly effect What we've.

Speaker 21 (01:00:38):
Seen over the last sort of six years of politics
and the zeld is that if you're a small party,
your voters will reward your bad behavior. You know that
whenever the Greens have a scandal, they only go up
in the polls. You know, whenever in the zero first
or actor bad coalition partners, they go up in the polls.
So I think small parties in New Zealand have cracked
the code to survival, which is the means of perpeture

(01:01:00):
a bad boys.

Speaker 3 (01:01:01):
Yeah, fair point. Now on an adjacent subject, Jack, what
do you make of the argument that anybody who has
Maori descent should be able to automatically claim citizenship.

Speaker 10 (01:01:11):
Yeah, I think it's going to be unrealistic. That's not
to say that I think there should be a blanket
exclusionary rule, like I think Keisha Castle Hughes example, is
a good example of someone who I think has enduring
ties Like that might be a good a good art
stick or measure by which to test people's relationship. But
also there are consequences like if you if you or

(01:01:33):
your you know, or your parents or grandparents decide to
leave New Zealand and you're born elsewhere, and then other
generations born elsewhere alfinately. There are consequences to those decisions,
and I think, you know, I can't see you're being
widespread political support for this, except to say that maybe
a kind of enduring ties link could be applied to

(01:01:55):
all people of New Zealand heritage overseas.

Speaker 3 (01:01:59):
I mean, Liam, isn't it simply that if we do
this for anyone who's of Mary descent, you do it
for everybody of New Zealand descent, and then it just
gets ridiculous.

Speaker 21 (01:02:07):
Well, it's not fully unprecedented when it comes to ethnic groups.
And you know, and in Israel as an example, we
have the right of return, and I know that in
Hungary they sort of extend quite a lot of rights
to you know, ethnic Hungarians and sort of neighboring countries,
including the right to move back to Hungary. But at

(01:02:28):
the end of the day, that's you know, citizenship is
not a racial construct in New Zealand. You know, we
don't award citizenship by race, And there's just no way
that you can move off that paradigm, off that sort
of idea that we're not an ethno state, that We're
a civic country first and foremost, and accommodate this.

Speaker 2 (01:02:45):
You just can't.

Speaker 21 (01:02:46):
So while I can understand, I mean, who wouldn't want
to be a New Zealand citizen, especially if you've got
an ethnic identity that's tied back to the place, but
the same you know, I can't get Irish ship. At
some point you're just going to say the connection is
too remote.

Speaker 8 (01:02:59):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:02:59):
Point. Hey guys, it's been lovely to chat.

Speaker 10 (01:03:01):
Do you?

Speaker 3 (01:03:01):
Thank you so much. Enjoy evening, Jack Tamilliam, here a huddle.
We'll talk about the kids roaming free. Next eight away from.

Speaker 1 (01:03:06):
Six, it's the Heather Duplessy Allen Drive Full Show podcast
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Speaker 3 (01:03:16):
Ah geeza. There are you deliberately trying to get Ferris
to do another Instagram post for who should be here?
He's probably listening to all of this, isn't he? Because
I feel like Takuta is a listener, and yeah, he'd
be well into this discussion about Keisha Castle Hughes and
he's just thinking about what he's going to post tonight
at midnight, so stand by for that. It's five away
from six. By the way, there's a christ Church developer

(01:03:38):
who reckons that the little townhouses Auckland builds a hideous
and he's going to come up to Auckland and build
better ones. So we're gonna have a chat him after six. Now,
there is an article, as I say, in the Herald
called the Case. It's the Headliners the case for letting
children out of our sight to grow in confidence, and
that the articles claim is basically that researchers have discovered
that we are starting to basically cramp the style of

(01:04:01):
our kids wigh too much. It's called the home range,
which is basically how far from home children can travel,
play and explore on their own. And researchers in Britain
interviewed three generations of the same family about a decade ago.
What they found is that back in the nineteen fifties,
the grandparents could travel up to three k's from home

(01:04:22):
without adult supervision. That was what they were allowed to do.
A few decades later, the parents were only allowed to
travel about five hundred meters away from home half a
k and that was mostly to parks and playgrounds and
friends homes. The most recent generation, a boy ten and
a girl six, could not go anywhere without permission, not
even to a friend's house next door. And what they're finding.

(01:04:46):
What the researchers are arguing is that if you don't
give the kids permission to go out and do things
without you having to know about it or watching what
they're doing, you basically are creating a situation where the
kids will end up with childhood anxiety depression, have a
harder time developing into confident adults, more likely to grow
up disconnected from the natural world, more likely to suffer

(01:05:07):
mental and physical health harms from spending less time and nature.
Now the reason parents don't do it, and you think
about your circumstances, right, there will be an element of
stranger danger, but most likely, and this is the consideration
for me, traffic. Right. Cars are bigger nowadays, they travel faster,
They're more likely to hurt the kids. So that's the
reason why you don't really want them to go out wandering.
But yet you really have to. Basically, the article says,

(01:05:28):
protect them from some danger, but you can't protect them
from all danger. Contrast Our Way to the Finns, the
finished kids at seven walk or cycle alone. At eight,
The majority cross main roads and travel to school by
themselves and at ten they ride local buses. Check it out.
It's a really interesting article. News talks'b Live nine.

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News Talks env Evening coming up in the next hour.
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(01:06:28):
past six. Now have you ever wondered why all these
new townhouses that are popping up everywhere just so ugly?
You're not alone if you're wondering that. One christ Church developer,
Reckons Auckland's developments are quote awful and he's bringing his
colonial style new builds to the North. Managing director of
Brooksfield's homes. Vincent Holloway is with us. Hey, Vincent, hi here,
how are you very well? Thank you?

Speaker 10 (01:06:49):
Now?

Speaker 3 (01:06:49):
Your houses are beautiful. Why aren't developers doing this already?

Speaker 8 (01:06:54):
I'm not sure.

Speaker 5 (01:06:55):
It's probably something to do with the lack of imagination,
i'd say, but really, I.

Speaker 3 (01:06:59):
Mean, because all we have to do is look around,
you know, Point Chef, Grayln, Pons and b. You don't
have to imagine that this stuff has been built before,
so why not just replicate it?

Speaker 5 (01:07:09):
Well, that's exactly what we do in a sense. And
when we've started designing and selling homes in Auckland and
where we've gone up there, we see that a lot
of people want to be living in those areas like
Point Chief Grayland, Pons and Bee with the cute timberweatherboard villa.
It's obviously out of reach for a lot of people
in terms of price, but people are wanting that in

(01:07:31):
a home. So you know, we aim to do that
in a smaller scale and a cheaper area.

Speaker 3 (01:07:36):
Basically, the way that you build your townhouses in the
old colonial style, is it perhaps more expensive than what
the other developers are doing in the styles that they are.

Speaker 5 (01:07:46):
I wouldn't have thought. So you know, the whole reason
that a classical or a colonial home looks the way
it is for two reasons. The first they cared about
the appearance and spend a wee bit more time and
energy on that. But the other the reason is because
they lacked a lot of the time, in places like
New Zealand and Australia, really skilled tradesmen and money. So

(01:08:10):
when you actually look at an old Ponsonby villa, it's
extremely simple in the way that it's usually you know,
a box with possibly a projecting bay window. So they're
a very simple house in the way of construction because
they're just effectively a box. But they're very pretty because

(01:08:30):
where they were able to, you know, they spend a
little bit of money and time on detail.

Speaker 3 (01:08:35):
Are you going to be limited in where you can
re you know, build these houses to maximize your income
because they are single story and in a lot of
places in Auckland now we're going.

Speaker 5 (01:08:44):
Up, well a lot of our homes, we do do
a lot of single story homes, and we do single
story homes with rooms in the attic as well, so
that you know they'll look like a single story home
but actually be two. Yeah, but we also do and
the ones an orphan that we're doing as well. Points
you have a two story so there are slightly different
typology than an exactly, you know, exactly a bay villa.

(01:09:06):
They're a bit smaller, so one hundred to about one
hundred and thirty square meters, and they're also in a
smaller section as well, so we're not too limited. And
I mean the classical classical architecture as well comes in
many shapes and forms. I mean, you know, you go
to Rome or London or Paris and you'll see you

(01:09:26):
five six story classical townhouses that are absolutely beautiful as well.

Speaker 2 (01:09:30):
Do you reckon?

Speaker 3 (01:09:31):
This is the trick to perhaps getting people on board
a little bit more densification is that you're able to
densify while building in the style of the suburb.

Speaker 5 (01:09:40):
Definitely. I think if you look around, a lot of
the nimbees have a problem with the ugliness if you
really get into it, not the densification. It's actually really
great to live in a suburb with a diverse mix
of people and more people that does good things for
people that already live there. I think the issue is,
and the issue I have with my neighbors as well,
is the that the people rely building new homes now

(01:10:06):
are building horrifically ugly things and no one wants to
live next door to one. And I understand completely.

Speaker 3 (01:10:11):
Yeah, TODs, hey, listen, Vincent, thank you very much. I
really appreciate your time. That's Vincent Holloway of Brooksfield Homes.
If you look, do me a favor, Do me a favor.
Go and look at Brooksfield Homes and the colonial style
townhouses they're doing, and you'll know what I mean when
you see them. They're sort of like three little, three
little villas stuck together. Now, we're not long ago. Actually,

(01:10:33):
before babies, I was living in a place very similar
to that. We owned a place in ponds of bee
like that had to sell it obviously because it was
like child killer situation, the steepness of the stairs and
you know, there's no yard for the kids to run
around and stuff like that. That would have been built
from if my memory serves me correctly, around the turn
of the century, so maybe like nineteen I want to say,
nineteen hundred, maybe nineteen teen at a push, right, and

(01:10:57):
it basically looks exactly like what Vincent is building. And
have a look at it and then tell me if
you have a problem with that popping up next door,
because I would have no problem at all. The beautiful
little townhouses much more pretty, as he says, than anything
else he's seeing going up at the moment twelve past six, ever,
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Speaker 1 (01:11:39):
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Speaker 3 (01:11:40):
There is a piece in the Post newspaper with the
headline power play National walks tightrope as energy crisis hits
homes and industry. I read this for you so that
I could tell you the most interesting thing in it.
This bit. Sparse snow this winter will likely leave hydro
drag Lake's low next year, meaning generators may have to

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rely more on coal and gas to meet winter demand
pushing up wholesale electricity prices. With twenty twenty six an
election year that has the political class on a high alert.
Now I'm drawing this to your attention because the other day,
when I was having drinks at the Rugby, not only
did Grant from the National Party interrupt my evening to

(01:12:23):
bang on about net zero at me, which I actually
quite enjoyed. I'm not going to pretend I didn't, right,
That's just the kind of Saturday fund that I enjoy.
So I had a chat with Grant about the net zero,
But somebody else who will remain unnamed, came to me
and said, have you seen how much snow there is?
And said, there's not a lot of snow this year,
and you know what that means, And that means low
hydro lakes next winter. And you know what next winter is.

(01:12:45):
It's just before the election, and you know people are
worried about that. I thought, Aha, we're going to have
to mention that on the show when we get an opportunity.
And now I've had an opportunity. So if you think
power prices this year are a problem, wait till you
see what they are next year, just before an election
This is why Shane Jones is clever because he's already
starting the chat. He's already winding it up on the

(01:13:06):
energy because he knows next year we're going to be
talking about electricity and it's going to get him re
elected in a big way. Fourteen past six.

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Speaker 17 (01:14:00):
Good evening, Heather Right, So we have got.

Speaker 3 (01:14:02):
Infratil hosting an investorday in Sydney tomorrow. What's the market
looking for?

Speaker 17 (01:14:07):
Yeah, in Frattill they are a leading listing on the
nz X and they're over in Sydney to present their
investment case to both Australian and Kiwi investors. And it
is fair to say that expectations are reasonably high, but
that is on the back of a very impressive track
record in fort Till. They have delivered a seventeen percent
compound return for investors over the past thirty years, so

(01:14:30):
some pretty amazing returns there. But for reference, they are
effectively a portfolio of companies and they traditionally invest in
infrastructure assets and some pretty well known companies like One
New Zealand, well Inton Airport and Trust Power. But more
recently they've absolutely nailed to global mega trends that we've seen,

(01:14:51):
and that's data centers and renewable energy and that was
before they became super hot assets. But that's part of
the reason why they're in Sydney. Of of course, they're
there to spread the Infratil story out to the rest
of the world, but they really want to show off
the potential and the assets that their key investment, Camber
Data Centers has there.

Speaker 3 (01:15:11):
Now, do you think that the global data center hype
is coming down under two with that investment that you
just mentioned.

Speaker 17 (01:15:18):
Yeah, in sure, yes, Cambra Data Centers they're building a
lot of data center capacity in New Zealand and Australia.
They currently have three seventy two megawatts operating. They're under
construction currently got that again being built and then out
into the twenty thirties, they have a huge pipeline they
expect to build about four to five times what they've

(01:15:40):
currently got. So huge demand coming and as we know,
it's on the back of the hyperscalers or the big
tech companies. They're pushing to get more and more computing
power to develop their AI models. So pretty much around
the world they're going around and mopping up every bit
of data center capacity that people can deliver.

Speaker 2 (01:15:59):
So that does possess position.

Speaker 17 (01:16:00):
Canberra Data Center is an infantil really well in this region,
so hopefully try and capture quite a bit of this growth.

Speaker 3 (01:16:06):
Jeremy Listen, I want to talk to you about long
Road Energy. Do you think that renewable energy in the
US is still growing under Trump?

Speaker 17 (01:16:13):
Yeah, that's another one of their key investments, long Road
Energy based in the US, and there has been a
bit of uncertainty of course under Trump two point zero
and has one big beautiful bill. Remember, under Biden's Inflation
and Reduction Act, there are very large tax incentives to
developers of renewable energy in the US, and there were
some fears that some of those tax credits would be removed.

(01:16:36):
Ultimately they're still in there for now. They have been retained,
but there's still is uncertainty. But what they have to
demonstrate is that the projects can be built by a
certain dates. So that's part of Infertill's challenge tomorrow. They're
going to try and communicate that the long road business
model still works with or without these tax credits, and
then that they can deliver their large pipeline of projects

(01:16:57):
before a certain date when they could potentially drop out.

Speaker 3 (01:17:00):
Hey, thank you very much, Sherman. It's good to talk
to Jeremy Hutton, Milford Asset Management. Hither to your point
about allowing our kids to explore and learn outside the home.
Our twelve year old had her first sleepovers with her grandparents.
From the age of two, started flying as an unaccompany
as an unaccompanied child to visit my sister between Wellington
and Nelson once a year. From the age of five,
we let her walk down to the local dairy, which

(01:17:22):
was a block away. From the age of seven, her
trampoline did not have any protective nets. Once she turned
seven and she was trampling competent. Our friends could not
believe how lax we are, and although they didn't outright
criticize us, their tones said it all, which is often
why people helicopter their kids. So I want to be
seen to be parenting properly. We now have a confident,

(01:17:43):
articulate young lady, and many of our friends are concerned
about the anxiety displayed and amongst their children. It was
certainly not always easy to watch her walk away, but
I do believe that in encouraging her, we've built strength
and hopefully a sense of adventure will continue to grow.
Well done, you, Lucy, sounds like sounds to me like
you've nailed it.

Speaker 1 (01:18:01):
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Speaker 3 (01:18:14):
Traney's going to be with us after the news, talk
us through what she understands we're going to do about
the trades, because you know, the liabilities moved from the
councils to no one, So who takes the liability of
the trades do something wrong? She might have the answer.
It's six twenty five Showba's news. Yeah, we're going to
talk about some fash on. It's New York Fashion Week

(01:18:35):
at the moment, all the stars are out, Cardi B
is rocking Fergwin Paltrow's dressed and brutalist inspired outfits. It's
all on the unlikely star that's on everyone's lips, though,
is Vivian Wilson. Now, if you don't know who Vivian
Wilson is, Vivian Wilson is the daughter of Elon Musk. Now,
she's the one that's just stranged from him because she's
come out as transgender. And she's made her fashion Week debut,

(01:18:56):
walking in four different shows so far, and she's also
on the cover of New York magazine. Now, Sam has
printed out the outfits for me so that I can
tell you what I'm seeing. Okay, Outfit number one fun
summ address Yay. Outfit number two, Beauty Queen full length gown.
Outfit number three are sort of a sheer slight it's
see through flapper inspired outfit two piece beautiful. She looks stunning.

(01:19:22):
Absolute favorite is the outfit where she's covered in bugs.
When I say bugs, I think that they might be cockroaches.
They're obviously not real. It's a sort of like, I
don't really know what's going on here. It's just like
a bit of foof cover, froofy stuff covering her bits
at the bottom of bikini on the top, and they're
just bugs everywhere. You know what it is fashion. It's
New York Fashion Week. They do weird things. So anyway,

(01:19:45):
what you really need to know, this is the thing
I'm always interested in a fashion week is who's turning
up wearing what? Because if they're wearing it in New
York at fashion Week, you're going to be wearing it
next winter, right, So the trends are and this is
the people attending the leather bomber. The leather bomber very
on point at the moment you want to get in
a rich dark brown like an ox blood or a
lived in chocolate brown or something like that. Then you

(01:20:06):
want to wear it with a pleated trouser. The swede
blazer as like as in like this nineteen seventies kind
of cararimely colored suede blazer that looks like it's borrowed
from the boys. That's also very fashionable. You want to
wear it just with a classic button up light colored
shirt underneath, maybe a little bit of a funky denim
pants or something like that. The barn jacket is in
this is like something like the late Queen would have

(01:20:29):
worn while going out to tend the horses. That kind
of like English barn jacket. Starfing double denim is in people. Yes,
you want to wear it like an oversized denim jacket,
buttoned up and folded over at the waist, and then
wear a straight leg geen underneath the oversized black blazer.
You can never go past it. And funnel necks are back.
And by funnel neck, I mean you know when you've

(01:20:49):
got a jacket and you zip it all button it
up so that it kind of does like a turtleneck vibe.
But the jacket version that is back and you wear
yours with slim fit genes. Yes, guess what, skinny pants
are back. They were only out the other day and
they're back again. News is next.

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So can you come.

Speaker 7 (01:21:34):
Right?

Speaker 3 (01:21:34):
Kevin Gray is with us out of the UK and
ten minutes on all of the pomp and the ceremony
and everything that's going to be taking place to try
to suck up to Donald Trump because this is the
stuff he loves. We'll catch up on that very shortly.
I'm going to run you through the tea Kunger and
the law. Also, by the way, if you don't know
what you're going to do when you get home, I've
got your evening plans for you. You are going to

(01:21:55):
get yourself an Apple TV subscription if you don't already
have it, and you're gonna watch season four of the
Morning Show because this is the one with Jennifer Aniston.
This thing dropped two and a half hours ago. That's
my evening plan. And you're not going to regret it
because even because you're like, oh, should I get the
subscription for just you know, one season? Yes, you absolutely well,

(01:22:15):
because ah, I am I about to lie to you?
Think I'm about to lie to you. I think I
was going to tell you Slow Horses the next season's
coming out and that's also on Apple TV. But I
don't know that it is. I don't know. Let I'm
gonna have to do some googling. This is terrible. This
is terrible radio. Terrible radio to be doing this to you.

(01:22:35):
Maybe it's Apple TV, maybe it isn't on Slow Horses,
but the Morning show is stand by and I'll find
out what it is in a minute. Twenty four away
from seven, building industry associations are gonna have to talk
about them because they may be the ones carrying the
liability for their registered builders.

Speaker 5 (01:22:48):
Soon.

Speaker 3 (01:22:48):
The government is pushing on with those plans that we've
been discussing to change who is liable for defective building work,
and it's become clear that insurance for builders might not
be widely available. So maybe master builders and certified builders
may end up being the ones carrying the can instead.
Jane Tibshraany as the Herald's Wellington Business editor and with us.
Hey do you know, hi, Heather, So is this an
idea or is this what's going to happen.

Speaker 22 (01:23:10):
Well, so, here's the thing. Currently, if you have a
problem with your house, all the parties involved in causing
that problem are jointly liable, so you can take the
council to court for giving consent for the building and
the builder, and if the builder can't afford to pay
you out, the buckstops of the council. That's the current situation,

(01:23:30):
which means you kind of always get your way because
the council has deep pockets. Under what the government's proposed,
the liability is split between everyone who's actually caused the problem.
So that could mean that your builder is liable for
the problem and the council only plays a small part

(01:23:51):
or doesn't have to pay a part at all. But
the thing that I'm really worried about if you now
are pursuing your builder and so is your because they
have the same problem, and so is the other person
down the road because they all have the same problem
with the same i don't know, problematic piece of equipment
or something in the house, then that builders pockets aren't

(01:24:12):
necessarily deep enough. So then what happens is if that
builder doesn't have proper insurance, you might have some sort
of building guarantee for your house for the problem. But
the people who pay out those guarantees, they're not registered,
licensed insurers. So how do we know that those master

(01:24:34):
builder guarantees, certified builder guarantees, How do we know that
they have enough money in the pot to pay out me,
my neighbor, everyone else with the same problem, like was
the case during the leaky home issue in the nineties.
So this is the issue. This is the question I have,
And the government can't answer that question because you know,

(01:24:56):
they're changing the regime. But the master builders and the
certified builders, they aren't regulated. So the question I have
is should they be regulated? Should they be required to
meet solvency standards like normal insurance companies have to meet?

Speaker 3 (01:25:12):
Would they not? Why aren't they required to simply take
out insurance in the way that we would have expected
a builder to have to.

Speaker 22 (01:25:21):
Yeah, look, that's a good question. So I think currently
the government has decided it wants to change this regime,
but it's trying to figure out whether to make some
of these things mandatory. So trying to figure out whether
it says to you, as the homeowner, if you want
to get your house built, you have to make sure
you have some sort of a warranty. The question then,

(01:25:42):
which I'm exploring, is well, if that warranty is mandatory,
should the provider of that guarantee a warranty? Should it
be required to have you meet certain solvency standards?

Speaker 3 (01:25:54):
Yes, you know.

Speaker 22 (01:25:56):
And so talking to Master Builders certified builders, there are
mixed views. So the CEO of Master Builders, he's quite
open to being regulated, you know, he an Katshama. He says, well,
they already work with actuaries to make sure they have
enough money in the pot. Basically. Certified builders, on the
other hand, Malcolm Fleming, the CEO, took to him and

(01:26:18):
he said, you know that the main thing is to
make sure that the building standards are high enough, because
that's the real issue. Make sure the building standards a
high enough so there's not a problem to begin with.

Speaker 3 (01:26:27):
Oh, well, that's just dreaming, isn't it. There's always going
to be a cowboy.

Speaker 22 (01:26:32):
Well, I mean I think so. And he also said
that actually if there was to be a widespread problem,
because that's when the solvency issue really becomes a problem.
If there was to be a widespread problem, it would
probably be with the building material. And if it is
with the building material, then I guess you can sue
the manufacturer of the material, so you're not necessarily tapping
into the pot of money run by certified builders. But

(01:26:57):
I think I mean stepping out here, I'm sort of
going right into the weeds here, but stepping back. I
think if the government is changing the liability regime for housing,
which is where all of our money is tied up,
then we need to make sure the stuff is rock solid,
so that if we have a problem, we need to
make sure whoever we're chasing actually has money to pay.

Speaker 2 (01:27:21):
Yeah, exactly, Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:27:24):
I mean it is alarming to me, I think probably,
and by the sounds of things to you as well.
It is alarming to me that we're taking that away
without actually replacing it with something of equal certainty. Jane,
thank you. I appreciate you talking us through it and
doing all the work on it. Jenetab Charani, the Herald's
Wellington business owner, to keep an eye on this. This
is Chris Pink, isn't it, Laura. It's Chris Pink doing this. Yeah,
keep an eye on it. Eighteen away from seven together,

(01:27:47):
do to see Allen, I wasn't doing terrible radio in
the end. Well I was because I wasn't sure about
what I was telling you, But it was on Apple TV.
Slow Horses is on a TV. So this is the
time where if you're do in the rotate on the
streaming streaming devices, you're going to be wanting to think
about going back to your Apple Plus at the moment,
because you're going to get the morning show today and
then you know, for ten weeks here after all, twelve

(01:28:08):
weeks or whatever is and then Slow Horses as well.
Double where me of goodness coming at you? Now? If
you are interested in the law and how teacunger is
increasingly being argued in court, I've got an interesting example
for you of it popping up again. This isn't the
Court of Appeal. The Court of Appeal has been hearing
a suppression case that I am particularly interested in.

Speaker 5 (01:28:26):
It.

Speaker 3 (01:28:26):
It's the suppression of the man who has killed twice
now and in both cases he's been found insane. So
he killed once, then was found insane, then went about
his life and more than two decades later, he's killed
again and been found insane again. Now, his lawyer has
argued in the Court of Appeal that his name should

(01:28:47):
remain suppressed because of Tea Kanger. The lawyer brought in
a teacunger expert who submitted that a suppression order should
stay until the man is released because naming him would
be too hard on his family because of tea hunger.
I don't know, don't ask me. I do not know
how that is tea hunger, but apparently it is. The

(01:29:07):
Court of Appeal looked at that and went not didn't
buy it at all, said, the public actually has a
right to open justice, which basically trumps everything else in
this case. And the public also has a right to
know about the man's distressing history of violence, so that
we are aware of the risks he made pose if
he's ever released into the community again, which I think
is fair enough, right, so that if his name is Bob,

(01:29:28):
and then you see Bob coming down the street, you go, oh, geez,
that's Bob. That's Bob who killed a person was found
and saying killed another person was found in saying I
might across the road. I think you have a right
to know that anyway. As a result, name suppression was
obviously declined, but it does stay in place because he's
going to take his argument to the Supreme Court. By
the looks of things, and the Supreme Court of all

(01:29:49):
of the look of all of the courts, of all
of the judges, the Supreme Court judges have been accused
of being the most activist and the most interested in Teacunger,
because if my memory serves me correctly, the Supreme Court
is actually the court that introduced the concept of te
kunger into law with the Peter Alice case in the
first place. So they love a tea kanger argument. Tea
kunger is turning into a very versatile argument by the way.

(01:30:11):
It's been used now to try to keep a killer's
name from the public because a tea Kunger. It's been
used to give a gang patch back to a Mongrool
mob member because of tea Kunger. And it's been used
to argue that that Peter Alice has a defamation case
essentially posthumously because of tea Kunger. So yeah, I mean,
next time you're in court, try on a little bit
of tea Kanger. Why not? You never know what's going

(01:30:32):
to happen. I can still can't explain it to you though,
sixteen away from seven, encouraging.

Speaker 2 (01:30:36):
The numbers and getting the results.

Speaker 1 (01:30:38):
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Speaker 3 (01:30:48):
This is debark a little bit of Hawaiian shirt. I
need to talk you through right now. It's thirteen away
from seven and Gavin Gray, are UK correspondent, is with me. Hello, Gavin,
either had it?

Speaker 10 (01:30:57):
Oh?

Speaker 3 (01:30:57):
How excited are you guys about Donald and all of
the fuss.

Speaker 23 (01:31:01):
Well, there will be a lot of fuss, a lot
of pageantry, and of course they're really laying out the
red carpet, both metaphorically and in reality as well. So
Donald Trump to arrive at Windsor Castle and to meet
King Charles the Third today.

Speaker 7 (01:31:17):
Now, the Queen Camilla.

Speaker 23 (01:31:18):
Did not attend the funeral of a relative yesterday, and
that's because she's said to be still suffering a little
bit of sinusitis. But nevertheless, a very big day, an
unprecedented second state visit. They are doing all this pomp
and sorry because they know Donald Trump loves this. They
are desperate to try and have some good trade deals.
We've already seen a number of very very large, multi

(01:31:41):
billion ones announced by large American companies here in the UK.
So that's what the Prime Minister wants, and I dare
say that's what the country wants and needs. But already
we're seeing slight alterations to the itinerary in that they
are said, we're going to change the root of the process.
We're going to change the root of this and that

(01:32:02):
for security reasons. However, some are also saying, we note
that that will also mean he's seen in public much
much less and seen much further away by the public.
And last night, Heather, it's the morning here of course
our time. Last night a huge image of Donald Trump,
pictured next to Jeffrey Epstein, was beamed onto the walls

(01:32:25):
of Windsor Castle by protesters.

Speaker 3 (01:32:28):
Now, what is going on with this deal, this attempt
by Stammer to eliminate the tariffs on the UK steal exports.
Has he just given up on this.

Speaker 23 (01:32:36):
At the moment, Yes, it'd be wrong to say they've
given up completely. But so as part of the pomp
and pageantry, obviously the Prime Minister is going to be
pressuring Donald Trump into hammering down the rest of the
trade deal. Now, the UK and US signed a trade
deal in June over numerous things, and the Prime Minister said,
what an amazing win it was. Indeed that deal did

(01:32:59):
rege use tariffs on car and aerospace imports, but it
left British steel and steel exports into America with tariffs
of twenty five percent. Now other countries face steel tariffs
of fifty percent. So senior government sources said, well, it's.

Speaker 7 (01:33:16):
Already very good, very competitive.

Speaker 23 (01:33:19):
But they had said it was coming down to zero
and our Prime Minister, Secure Starma made.

Speaker 7 (01:33:24):
A big deal of that when it was announced.

Speaker 23 (01:33:26):
Well it hasn't come down to zero, and it looks
like that that actual move is now basically on hold indefinitely.
And so the hope that this might be actually notified
and advertised here at this visit is now not going
to happen. And the steel industry really on the ropes
here anyway, with the government now actually renational well getting

(01:33:47):
close to renationalizing major parts of it.

Speaker 3 (01:33:50):
Interesting, Ok, you know what's happened to this one in
one out? What if a migrant deal has this fallen?
The paddel really.

Speaker 23 (01:33:56):
Yeah, well it's one in and frank one staying at
the moment, and that is because the very first were
due to be sent back around about now, actually in
the next hour or so under this one in, one
out returns pilot scheme that was heralded again between the
UK and France back in July. Now, one of the
very first people on this trip, in fact potentially the first,

(01:34:20):
was an Eritrean man who arrived in the UK illegally
by a small boat. Well, right as the deadline approached,
he launched a legal challenge and the twenty five year
old last night was mentioned at the High Court in London,
with his lawyers arguing that he needed more time to
present evidence set he might actually have been the victim.

Speaker 7 (01:34:40):
Of modern day slavery.

Speaker 23 (01:34:43):
Now, the problem was that he was already claiming that
he wouldn't be safe in France. Well, I think the
Home Office, our ministers here and the judge that would
have been dismissed because why isn't France safe to him?

Speaker 7 (01:34:54):
You know, it's a safe country.

Speaker 23 (01:34:55):
However, he then argued in court as well or his
lawyers did, that he was a victim of modern day slavery,
and even the Home Office has admitted in one department
that he wouldn't be able to fight that properly and
get evidence if he worked back in France. So guess what, Yep,
it's being kicked into the semi long grass for expecting
another decision in a fortnight. But what this does, of course, Heather,

(01:35:17):
is that anyone now on that list of one on
one out can suddenly say, oh, hang on a minute,
I also might actually be a victim of modern day slavery,
and that mean it's automatically extended. Further, there are people
in this country, frankly aghast at all of this, and
indeed the leader of the opposition said we told you so,
and he's calling for much tougher laws.

Speaker 3 (01:35:38):
Yeah, that's been incredibly frustrating, Gevin, Thanks so much, Gevin Gray, UK,
corresponding here, the yes, tea Kanga is a moving feast.
There is no definitive interpretation. How interesting right away from
seven it's.

Speaker 1 (01:35:52):
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Speaker 3 (01:36:00):
An email from Robin saying, here, the last month I
heard that in eighty percent of new builds, tradees are
required to come back and fix their bolt shops, which
are scary. Do you know what, Robin, I wonder if
it talked about this on the show, Actually, do you
remember that. I think we had quite a fun interview
with somebody about that where our minds were also being blown, Heather,
the building industry needs a bigger reset. I have a
seventy five square meter deck that has sagged. The builder liquidated,

(01:36:23):
the company started a new company, Certified Builders. Insurance scheme
went under, so we lost thousands of dollars. Guess who's
paying to fix it?

Speaker 18 (01:36:29):
Me?

Speaker 3 (01:36:29):
No accountability. Well, there's your problem. There is a problem.
There's the problem in the nutshell anyway. Listen, I've got
a question for UK. Is an Hawaiian shirt ever ever
a substitute for a normal shirt? The answer is no.
In the UK, the chap who's the mayor of Henley
wore a floral shirt to a prize giving event with
the Royal Marines and the Army and the Air Cadets
this month, and so there's photographs and it's not even

(01:36:51):
just the Hawaiian shirt that was. He was wearing a
short sleeved Hawaiian shirt, but then shorts and sneakers, so
the whole with his merrial chains, whole thing is off.
And then he's standing with all these beautiful people in uniform. Anyway,
he's being ripped for it online, being accused of being disrespectful,
told he's too casual. He's not sorry, he says there
are way more important issues. Petty small town opinions and

(01:37:12):
snippy social media trolling is power for the course when
you are in the public eye, which just made me
want to lean over and slap the one, didn't it you? Anyway,
Hawaiian shirts are never okay for serious business. Right. You
can chuck a jacket over it, chuck a pair of
long pants on it improves the look somewhat, but a
floral Hawaiian shirt is never a substitute for a real shirt.

(01:37:35):
And I'm glad that we've settled that today. On the
seventeenth of September, Libby.

Speaker 24 (01:37:39):
Got a bit of Elphin John for us tonight to
take us out because he has revealed in a documentary
that he made jewelry out of his knee caps.

Speaker 17 (01:37:50):
Weird.

Speaker 3 (01:37:51):
Can you please explain he had.

Speaker 24 (01:37:52):
A knee replacement, a double nee replacement last year. Yes,
and then he took the knee caps and he turned
them into jewelry.

Speaker 3 (01:37:58):
Which jewels. I think he's made a necklace the sweat,
and I'm.

Speaker 24 (01:38:03):
Guessing he's dipped them in gold, because the documentary is
called Touched by Gold.

Speaker 3 (01:38:07):
I hope. So, I mean, this is really loving yourself,
a like most of us will be, like, get rid
of the kneecaps. I never want to hear. I've got
new ones, but this is like special, It's a part
of me. I shall make a drawl out of it.
What a weird thing to do anyway, But then he
has always been a bit strange and fun, isn't he.
Thank you for that fact, Libby, See you tomorrow. News

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