Full Show Podcast: 23 September 2025

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Speaker 1 (00:01):
The only drive show you can try to ask the questions,
We get the answers, find the facts and give the analysis.
Bryan Bridge on Hither Dupericy Ellen Drive With's One New
Zealand and the power of satellite mobile News.

Speaker 2 (00:15):
Doorgs V coming up.

Speaker 3 (00:16):
Van Velden on the sick pay leave changes. Shane Jones
on the immigration squabble with the Coalition. We're in the UK,
we're in Australia and we're in the High Court for
the suitcase murder trial verdict.

Speaker 4 (00:27):
Bryan Bridge.

Speaker 3 (00:28):
Winston's back banging his trusty old immigration drum election year,
So no surprises there, nor should there be any surprise though,
with the rest of the Coalition keen to keep skilled
workers in this country. It's what business wants, and generally speaking,
what business wants with the government right of center, it gets.
So before we go barking mad on migration, let's take

(00:48):
a look at the facts, shall we. Is this an
OPRAH car competition, carte blanche residency lolly scramble? No, The
numbers somewhere between three and a half thousand and nine
thousand people, which barely touches the sides on our four
point three million working age population. Will they all flood
in from all corners of the earth. No, they're already here.

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You have to be working here. In order to qualify,
you have to have proven yourself. You have to be
well paid, at least thirty six bucks an hour qualified.
This is not a low rent crowd coming in. Is
this a backdoor into Australia, Well, it can be. But
to get through that door, you first have to become
a citizen of New Zealand. Let's call that a ten

(01:30):
year process. Plus the Minister reckons a further four across
the ditch before you'll be a citizen there. So if
you're willing to spend fourteen years gaming assistant to become
a citizen of Australia, I think you probably deserve it.
Is this, as Winston Peters press release claim today, another
example of our proudweed country being fleeced by take all,

(01:50):
give nothing migrants. We train them up, he says, we
look after them, and then they ditch us across the ditch. Well, no,
these people are all already trained and experienced, and they
will pay taxes like the rest of us. Does he
have a point on the wider problem that we have
with educating and training people who are actually born here. Yes,

(02:13):
but as even he points out, governments of all stripes
have been trying to fix that problem for decades. The
fix remains elusive. But in the meantime, why punish decent
Kiwi businesses who've managed to find themselves a decent skilled worker.
Welcome to globalization. We sell stuff to the world, using,
in part a global workforce to do it. Pray, I

(02:37):
am bread bread nine after four seven nine nine two
is the numbers of text. Trump says, don't take panadol
they call it taralanol if you're pregnant, because your baby
might get autism. True story. Have a listen.

Speaker 5 (02:56):
And by the way, I think I could say that
there are certain groups of people that don't take baccine
and don't take any pills that have no autism. Does
that tell you something that's currently Is that a correct statement?

Speaker 2 (03:07):
By the way, there.

Speaker 6 (03:09):
Are some studies that suggested to say yeah with the Amish,
for example.

Speaker 2 (03:13):
The Amish.

Speaker 5 (03:14):
Yeah, virtually, I heard none.

Speaker 3 (03:18):
Right, That was RFK Junior you heard in the background.
He wants a form of folic acid approved as a
treatment for children with autism, calling it an epidemic. Medsafe
by the way, says there's no proven link between parastamol
and autism. Dane Duggan is Autism New Zealand Chief executive
with me this afternoon. Hi Dane, Hey Ryan, how are
you very well? Thank you? What did you make at

(03:39):
that press conference?

Speaker 7 (03:41):
It was hard to watch. We've got serious concerns about
these misleading claims. As you mentioned before, Midsafe said there
is no lack or sorry, there is no evidence that
all to show there's a link between paracetamol and autism
when the mother's pregnant. It can be really harmful these
types of statements because you start to be blamed I
mean the mother. If the mother took paracetamol during pregnancy,

(04:02):
that cause autism creates a lot of issues in in itself,
and there's a real risk that we're going to have
premature medical endorsements over in the United States for things
that don't have any cause or link at all at
this point in time. So it's really really concerning. As
concerning as that is the way that the whole press
conference was actually framed, it was very negative caused I

(04:25):
was talking about autism as a major issue. We take
a very neuro affirm approach to autism, where we know
that having diversity in society can make a really positive
difference in society. And we also know that our community,
if you get the right supports around them, can live
a very productive, fulfilling life. And really, at the end
of the day, that's the main thing. So nothing about
the press conference this morning really was overly optimistic from

(04:46):
our perspective.

Speaker 2 (04:47):
Dane.

Speaker 3 (04:47):
He says, it's an epidemic, and we've heard this before,
that there are more and more people kids with autism
now than there have ever been before. I think Trump
said I've never met a seventy year old man with autism.
I mean, you've got to laugh, But is it true.

Speaker 7 (05:03):
No, So as our understanding of autisms grown and evolved,
things have evolved with that. So the actual criteria to
actually diagnose people as autistic has changed over those years,
which has led to more people being diagnosed, which I
think is a positive thing because it allows them to
understand themselves a bit better. One of the first people
I met in this job, actually Ryan been in the

(05:24):
job for twelve years, was a lady who got diagnosed
in her sixties. So I have met a sixty year
old woman and many of them who have been diagnosed
as autistic as well. But also there's clearly a genetic length,
there's no doubt about that. That's been definitively proved. So
a lot of the time you'll go in and get
your son or daughter diagnosed and you look at someone
else in the family and they may get diagnosed, which
means that jumps the numbers as well. So I think

(05:46):
it's sit in about right. Probably the numbers. We don't
actually capture numbers in New Zealand because people get diagnosed
in many different ways. But it seems about right to me.
And look, whether it's about support or not, it's actually
about self understanding and self awareness as well. And when
I talk to adults have been diagnosed adults, that's a
really really important part for them as understanding themselves in
their genie and life and how they've got to where
they are.

Speaker 3 (06:05):
All right, Dane, appreciate your time this afternoon. Thanks for
being with me. Dame Duggan, who's Autism New Zealand Chief Executive,
has just gone twelve minutes after four News Talks, MB
Darcy is here with Sport.

Speaker 4 (06:14):
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Speaker 1 (06:19):
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Speaker 3 (06:24):
News Talks AB has just gone quarter past four. The
autism tail and Ole panadole thing is kicking off on
the text machine. There are so many people who are
saying it's true. Pot you anyway, let's hear from Trump.
Apparently he struggled to even pronounce the medical ingredients that
he was talking about at this press conference.

Speaker 5 (06:41):
Effective immediately, the FDA will be notifying physicians at the
use of said, well, let's see how we say that.
I said a menafin, a sa Menafin said, okay, anyway.

Speaker 3 (06:57):
So he says pregnant women shouldn't take parwer see them all,
but then he also suggesced pregnant women actually need it.

Speaker 5 (07:04):
You just can't tough it out. No matter what you do,
you can't tough it out. So that's up to you
and your doctor.

Speaker 3 (07:09):
Robert I. F. Kennedy Junior said he's never seen a
man his age with autism. He's seventy.

Speaker 6 (07:13):
If it were better recognition or diagnosis, you'd see it
in the seventy year old men. I've never seen this happening,
and people my age, you're only seeing it in a kid.

Speaker 3 (07:25):
It's an epidemic, right to all of us. Off they
link the vaccines and pills to autism. Then Trump reiterates it. Actually,
he's a big believer in the importance of vaccines.

Speaker 5 (07:34):
So I'm a big believer in vaccine, so polio vaccine,
big big believer in vaccines. I know Bobby and you
guys have it out a little bit, but he's a
believer in vaccines too. But I've seen how great vaccines
can be, how incredible they can be. So I'm a believer.

Speaker 3 (07:51):
Okay, And I'm just colorly confused.

Speaker 1 (07:54):
Sport with tap in play bit with real time odds
and stats SORR eighteen.

Speaker 3 (08:00):
Possibly seventeen, Darcy said, Hey, Darce.

Speaker 8 (08:02):
I was waiting for the I know more about vaccines
than anybody that's normally the next line after that on
in procession, Where did the Hannah Barbara music coming? Okay, sorry,
I'll get back to sport. That's stay in your lane, Darcy.

Speaker 3 (08:13):
You know, do you know what it's? I feel I
know more about sport than I do about that. Let's
just saying something. Hey, yesterday we're talking about this match fixing,
the potential for match fixing and football domestic league here.
Have we heard anything from the players of what, you know,
the approaches they're getting that kind of stuff.

Speaker 8 (08:31):
Pretty quiet about that. But we've got Rebecca rolls On,
who is the Sports Integrity Commissioned CEO. She's going to
join us up after seven o'clock to talk about wasn't
a number of lines along this? I suppose first and foremost,
how do they protect their athletes? That's the first thing.
If you don't know, and this is all underground, you
don't know what to expect. And I heard your interview

(08:53):
with and just got home in yesterday, and it's about
keeping it up on the lights. And people know what's happening,
and they know what theproaches are, and they know how
and what shape will form the approaches will take. And
a lot of people are very innocent, pure as driven
snow if you will. They don't realize this. But the
world's so small, as you very well know that, with
the nature of sports betting and where we sit in

(09:15):
the global clock, it probably makes a little easier because
in New Zealanders they don't really know. They've kind of
got their cood straw in their mouth and a pair
of dungarees on and not paid much, don't know what's
going on, Well, probably not, So I want to talk
to Rebecca Rolls about the protection of athletes and what
concerns are being raised, what avenues they've got to raise concerns.

(09:37):
But you know, if some awful bad man has turned
up and wants you to match fix it, has something
on you and starts threatening, they they'll go to great
lengths and extreme to make it happen.

Speaker 3 (09:50):
Money a lot. They're speaking of money Formula one jeep
as Christian Horner. Is this true? One hundred and eighty
four million New Zealand dollars change in Formula one?

Speaker 2 (10:00):
It really is.

Speaker 8 (10:00):
It's a billionaire's sport.

Speaker 3 (10:02):
It's it's wild, wild career.

Speaker 8 (10:05):
The next step though, is he's only a young follow
He's only like fifty fifty one something like that, so.

Speaker 3 (10:10):
And he can go do it coach and.

Speaker 8 (10:12):
Well he's the principal, so he's basically the overlord of everything,
and he oversaw the rise and rise of red ball
to the top of the world. He would be hugely
sought after by a number of teams, but the question
is which team would or could have him? And there's
an oil around talking about Aston Martin and the possibility

(10:33):
that he'll be reunited with Adrian new He arguably best
car builder there is, who worked under him for quite
some time.

Speaker 3 (10:40):
Lots of options, lots more money to make it possibly.

Speaker 8 (10:42):
I don't think he's in it for money anymore. I
really don't think it's beyond money.

Speaker 3 (10:46):
And also you've got spy skill money coming into which
is worth a pretty penny. I had to mention that
didn't You couldn't go without, Darcy said tonight, good to
see it. Darcy sport here on News Talk said, b
it has just gone twenty after four. Here's what Luckson
said on autism and talanola panadol, which I think is
actually it should have been better prepared. Have a listen.

Speaker 9 (11:04):
Parasnamol is safe. It's quite acceptable to used by pregnant
women and others were dealing with fever. We're very comfortable
with parasnamol being used in the way that it has
been as always and I just encourage everybody if you're concerned,
check out the Ministry of Health website.

Speaker 3 (11:18):
But it's completely safe now. The last bit annoys me.
It's because it's not completely safe and if you go
and read the Ministry of Health website. They will tell
you that, I mean, it's one in a million chants
that something will happen to you. But any pill you
take will have a consequence for some small population of people,
so it's not completely safe. But we saw this one coming,

(11:40):
so I don't know, be better prepared. I would say
four twenty one News Talk SEDB.

Speaker 4 (11:45):
Cutting through the noise to get the facts.

Speaker 1 (11:47):
It's Ryan Bridge on hither duplicy Ellen drive with one
New Zealand coverage like no one else.

Speaker 3 (11:53):
News Talks B four twenty three. It looks to me
like a bit of this, bit of that for employers
and employees again, a bit of take and a bit
on both sides, like everyone comes out pretty much equal.
After Brook van Velden's done and dusted. This is the
changes to sick pay to leave more Generally part time
workers get sickly proportionate to time worked. Everyone gets the

(12:15):
same amount. That ends. That was well signal we knew
that was coming. She reckons. It's going to be cost
neutral for most workers. It's going to be far more
simple for employers to work out as well the benefit
for workers. From day one, all workers get annual leave
and sick leave. Currently you only get it after twelve
months and you have to wait six months for your

(12:35):
sick leave to start accruing. So that is a benefit.
If you're a worker, there is a benefit for you.
You get leave for the hours you work from day one. Interestingly,
I didn't realize this part of the equation, but if
you're on ACC, people getting annual leave accrued despite the
fact that they are on ACC, that is going to
end as well. So a few changes coming from Brook.

(12:57):
Van Valden wills talk to her about all of this
and find out what the the juices from the squeeze.
After five this evening to Australia where old mate Albanizi
he's over in wanting to see Donald Trump. Not gonna happen,
so he was hoping to get a one on one
and you might have heard there was a bit of

(13:17):
a brew haha between Trump and an ABC reporter. They've
also Albanzi has just joined a whole bunch of other
countries and recognizing Palestine as a state, so he was
really hoping to get a meeting with Trump and it
just didn't happen, and it's not going to happen. Sorry
is the word on the street. He took a whole

(13:37):
press pack with him. The press pack were under no
illusions that there'll be no meeting, but anyway, he was
apparently hoping, as one of his media people was still
hoping he'd get a meeting. He may not even get
a handshake at this point, which is a bit sad
for him. Anyway, this is a military ally of the
United States and hasn't even had a face to face
with the President yet. He's had four phone calls yet

(14:00):
to meet him in person, so that is a well.
I mean, he's won in his mind on Palestine, but
he's lost in terms of the Bilat with Donald Trump. Finally,
before we get spray, I just wanted to talk about
travel because over in Hong Kong you might have seen
airport closed. It's typhoon going to be bad for a while,
bad time to be traveling internationally. Basically, Copenhagen Airport closed

(14:25):
for several hours. Oslo Airport, Norway closed for several hours.
Drones they had to shut the airspace down. Three big ones.
Were they Russian? I mean that's what everyone's asking obviously
given the proximity, But won't say investigations are ongoing. Fifty
flights diverted Denmark, Norway. No idea what it was, but

(14:47):
I mean people are kind of suspecting something to do
with Russia, but really we don't know. Coming up after five,
we'll talk to Brook van Valven about the sickly, the
annual leave, all of that stuff that's been changed. Today
we also talk about the ICU beads. I'm interested in
the story out of christ Church and if you have
tried to have you know if you need to get
your heart seen to. Are there delays or not, because

(15:11):
it's kind of two different stories being told depending on
which media outlet you're listening to today. Twenty seven minutes
after four, we'll do all of that after five Here
on News Talks by.

Speaker 10 (15:27):
Strong and.

Speaker 11 (15:30):
I don't need you coming here, Hard questions, Strong opinion,
Ryan Bridge on hither do for Sellen Drive with One
New Zealand and the power of satellite mobile News Talks.

Speaker 4 (15:52):
It be sorry that your jo.

Speaker 3 (16:00):
By the way from five News Talks. But according to Bloomberg,
we're going to get our first woman and our first foreigner.
I know we've had a foreigner before, haven't we As
a reserve Bank governor, but certainly first woman. And do
we care who it is. We just want them to
be duvish on interestrates, don't we That's the whole point,
Ebba anyone but Adrian, That's what we'll take. The rumor
mill is and this is all market sensitive, of course,

(16:22):
and this has come from Bloomberg. It's come from the
Wellington Bureau Chief executive Matthew Brockett. He's written an article.
He says, the money is looking like it's on Sarah Breeden.
Haven't heard the name. It's because well, she's the Deputy
Governor for Financial Stability at the Bank of England, so
you probably wouldn't have anyway. I was texting a friend
just before about this and they said, do you know

(16:42):
much about her? What is the story? You will know
from last week that the Bank of England has been
holding interstraight steady at four percent, and they have been saying, no,
we're just still quite worried about inflation, thank you very much.
Well that's not good for New Zealander.

Speaker 12 (16:57):
Is it.

Speaker 3 (16:57):
We don't want a Reserve Bank governor like that. Anyway.
Their decision was seven to two and I've just been
told that apparently they publish. Unlike us, they published the
names of who voted which way. So where dubbish is
she not? Where is she even going to be the
next Reserve Bank governor? We don't know that either, but
we'll ask Azaria how she's on this program. In a
couple of minutes, it's twenty four away from five.

Speaker 1 (17:19):
It's the world wires on News Talks Drive.

Speaker 3 (17:23):
French are joining the Congolina countries recognizing Palestine macron is
at the UN.

Speaker 13 (17:28):
This recognition is a way of affirming that the Palestinian
people is not a people too many. On the contrary,
this is a people who never says goodbye to anything.
As Mahmud Darwish Dulwich.

Speaker 3 (17:43):
Said, Dette, you know the former Filipino president, you know,
big drug buster, great results tactics, well questionable. He's now
facing charges crimes against humanity from the ICC. He did
do what he said he was going to do on
the campaign trail, though didn't. He just wad he's been
flunder the Hague and offers no apologies for his crimes. Finally,

(18:05):
this afternoon, wild chimpanzees are getting more than their five
plus a day. It's been found they consume a lager's
worth of alcohol every day just from eating ripened fruit.
Turns out chimps have a special knack for picking the
fruit with the highest alcohol content.

Speaker 1 (18:24):
International correspondence with Ends and Eye Insurance Peace of Mind
for New Zealand business, So.

Speaker 3 (18:31):
They really are high. Sam Imrie, Australia corresponds, Sam, Welcome
to the show. No meeting for Trump. No meeting, I
should say for Alban easy with Donald Trump.

Speaker 14 (18:42):
Now looking more and more likely that it'll just be
a handshake and a photo for the trophy broom for
elbow this time around. But I guess the question really
we're probably asking now is is it a meeting that
he would even really want to have. You know, he's
doing quite well at home on a lot of topics,
and Trump is certainly not a popular ally when it
comes to Aussie voters for the Labor Party here in Australia,

(19:05):
and you know, Albo and Trump have had quite a
few calls already. I think this is number four discussing
trade security, critical minerals, those sorts of things. They've been
hailed as quite constructive, which is something to say when
having any sort of conversation with the current American president.
And we're out of fable, you know, with what we've
come out and said with Palestine. The Australian response this

(19:28):
morning in the media to the president's claims on autism
and paracetamodel has been quite negative as well. So there's
not really a lot of positive media or anything really
shiny or good that can come from Albo sitting across
from Trump, other than obviously, you know, being able to
walk through the door and say I've got that ability.
The labor troops around early Sunday, Ryan, you know, already

(19:52):
saying that the meeting is probably unlikely, and also the
proof is in the pudding. They're saying that they've managed
to see clear of any heavy tariffs and that you know,
so far we've sort of sailed relatively free from any
serious economic damnation from the Trump administration. So we'll see
where it lands, but at this stage it's looking more
and more likely that it'll be a photo opportunity for

(20:12):
our book.

Speaker 3 (20:13):
Fair Point A bit of a grip and grint the RBA.
You're I've been looking at the comments from your ZooBank
governor about the living standards. This is interesting.

Speaker 14 (20:23):
Yeah, it's nothing new, which is sad. To say, isn't it.
It's the future and the economics of the future, and
it's hard to see it any other way. Really as
getting more expensive for people here in Australia because everything's
going up except for the one thing wages. Economists are
warning that millions of Australians face this material decline in

(20:44):
living standards, which I also think is just a nice
way of saying, you know, we're not going to be
out buying all the latest gear for our kids, and
we're not going to have to, you know, have every
single little thing that we've been wanting to have, so
we might have to tighten the belts a little bit.
The RBA interestingly here, I mean, they have achieved the
inflation rate of two point seven percent this year, which

(21:04):
is a huge effort considering it at six point eight
in twenty two. But they are also warning that this
first home Bias scheme and some of these schemes that
the government bring in to try and help younger people
into the housing market could actually push inflation up and
put more demand, obviously on an already struggling housing supply.
You know, I just can't see how we really make

(21:27):
huge inroads here, Ryan, unless we suddenly just can put
a hell of a lot of people in a lot
of housing in these struggling cities.

Speaker 3 (21:35):
Meanwhile, Maya has sheared twenty one percent off at sheer
price that was at that worse fall. I think what's
going on?

Speaker 14 (21:43):
It sort of points the cost of living really, I
think doesn't know. I think people are already tightening the belts,
maybe not go out and buying quite as much shopping
and those sorts of things. They lost two hundred and
eleven point two million in the last financial year. That's
after a profit of forty three point five the previous year.
Some people are saying it's driven by non cash impairment

(22:05):
of goodwill. You know, they acquired apparel brands late in
twenty twenty four, things like just Jeans and a few
other areas that are probably struggling right now.

Speaker 2 (22:16):
Ryan.

Speaker 14 (22:17):
So I think it's just more testament to the times
of people are actually tightening the belts, and you know,
these are the first ones to hit the to get
hit by these sorts of restrictions.

Speaker 3 (22:27):
Yeah. Interesting, as samppreciate your time. Sam Emory, Australia correspondent
with US nineteen minutes away from five on News talks.
He'd be We'll get to Shane Jones after five as well.
On this coalition split, their all agree to disagree clause
has been invoked. It's all over immigration. We'll talk about
that with the Minister. Well, I should say Deputy Leader
as he is now called Deputy Leader of New Zealand

(22:48):
First is joining us after five along with Brook van Valden.
Coming up next, it's Cizari how the inside word on
the potential next Reserve Bank governor of New Zealand.

Speaker 1 (22:56):
Politics with Centric Credit, check your customers and get.

Speaker 3 (23:00):
Sixteen to five news talks Bezaria House with US Politics. Heyzarion, Hello, Hello,
A lot of talk around town, lot of speculation about
this new Reserve Bank governor.

Speaker 2 (23:09):
What do we know?

Speaker 15 (23:10):
Yeah, I've got a big update for you. It's understood
that an announcement is being made tomorrow on this. This
is a massive deal and it comes after Adrian Orr
resigned in March and Neil quickly resigned last month. So
this topic has been well traversed. Lots of discussion about
why some details were seemingly left out of information releases,
quite a lot as well of speculation in the background

(23:32):
of this one Christian Hawksby has been the acting governor
of the Reserve Bank during this time, and financial business
company Bloomberg is reporting that a woman may be appointed
to the Central Bank's top role. Now that would actually
be the first time a woman is appointed to lead
New Zealand's central bank. Bloomberg also reporting there the new
governor is not someone from New Zealand. The heralds Liam

(23:55):
dan as Well reports that Bank of England Deputy Governor
Sarah Breeden is being tipt is one of the top
women for the job. So yes, it has understood. An
announcement is taking place tomorrow, will be across all the
big updates. It will be a huge deal and hopefully
the end of a rocky period for the Reserve Bank.
So really looking forward to that announcement.

Speaker 3 (24:15):
New Zealand First, we'll talk to Shane Jones after five.
But they're invoking the agree to disagree. This is over
the latest immigration policy from the coalition.

Speaker 15 (24:24):
Yeah, it essentially means New Zealand First has drawn a
line in the sand here. So just going into the policy,
the Finance Minister and Immigration Minister have announced changes to
these skilled migrant visa they're putting in place two new
residence pathways from mid next year. One of them is
in skilled work and another categorized for trades and technicians.

(24:44):
New Zealand First leader Winston Peters Well, he's spoken to
media from New York. He's there for the UN and
he's essentially calling for the country to get on top
of its skills and training as a first.

Speaker 3 (24:54):
Point of call.

Speaker 16 (24:55):
Zilchess has that position, and we've always said that we
should skill and train our own people first, and.

Speaker 15 (25:01):
Z First has said, quote, while we recognize the importance
of retaining some critical workers, we have serious concerns about
what they call an unfocused immigration proposal. Here's Nikola Willis
on the.

Speaker 17 (25:12):
Thing, and so we don't think that this presents the
risks or dangers that New Zealand First may perceive.

Speaker 15 (25:19):
So the Finance and Economic Growth Minister, they're highlighting the disagreement.
She says they've designed the pathway to be really narrow
and she's not too concerned about that. Agree to disagree clause.

Speaker 17 (25:29):
This just reflects stable coalition management, which is from time
to time parties have slightly different perspectives on issues.

Speaker 15 (25:37):
So Nicola Willis and the Immigration Minister are both pointing
to the policy is something that will benefit economic growth
and Immigration Minister Erica Stanford has also confirmed that exclusions
will apply. She says the government has been very targeted
and very selected in this.

Speaker 18 (25:52):
We will attract migrants to come to New Zealand knowing
that they've got a pathway, but remembering that they can't
come unless they have a job offer that has been
fully tested in New Zealand to make sure there wasn't
a key we available to.

Speaker 15 (26:03):
Do the job and looking at the bigger picture. Immigration
has been a huge topic for New Zealand First for
quite some time. It was discussed a whole lot at
the party's conference which I was reporting at. It does
seem to be a bit of a point of difference
between the parties and the coalition. So I'm sure there'll
be more to come from this.

Speaker 3 (26:20):
Absolutely. Hey, what do we know. What's the big takeaway
from this sick leave, annual leave, big pay debicle thing
that's happened that Van Velden's trying to fix up.

Speaker 15 (26:30):
Yeah, so a huge package of reforms to the Wide
Reaching Holidays Act that will be a thing of the past.
It's being repealed and replaced. So some main points from
this one. There's quite a lot to digest here. Sick
leave will be capped at one hundred and sixty hours,
and it can be taken in hours rather than full
days at a time, so it means you can sort
of go to the doctor for an hour or so

(26:51):
and not have to take the entire day off of work.
Some other big changes part time workers will no longer
have a minimum sick leave entitlement. Family violence leaver and
bereavement leaver crew can also start from day one, and
also with this policy, employees will earn annual leave from
day one that's proportionate to their contracted hours. The Minister

(27:12):
Brook van Velden has said that businesses should focus on
their actual business rather than sort of the complex legislation
the rules that are currently in place.

Speaker 12 (27:20):
But I've intentionally tried to strike a balance between the
rights and interests of employers and workers. So you'll see
that in some instances workers will benefit and in some
instances employees will benefit.

Speaker 15 (27:33):
And worth pointing out with this one, there's a two
year period from when the bill is passed until when
it comes into force, so there is quite a bit
of breathing room in terms of these changes.

Speaker 3 (27:42):
Sari appreciate that Asaria Hell with politics eleven minutes away
from five. Coming up after five, we're also going to
talk about the if you're a shop owner, dairy owner,
and someone's stolen from your store and you have put
a photo up or a video up from your CCTV cameras,
look out, Privacy commissioners got a warning for you. I
don't know what the punishment would be if you did
that and accidentally pointed at the wrong person or identified

(28:04):
the wrong person, but we will ask. Now, there was
a story out this morning. This is on healthcare, and
loads of texts on this already. Ryan, I can assure
you from personal experience as this listener, thank you for
your message that healthcare for coronary patients in the South
Island is dire. Months to get and to see a specialist,
let alone a surgery. Patients are dying. Believe me, Ryan,

(28:25):
and Denedin is worse. Now, this story came out, healthcare
crisis hits the headline, and we've seeing these all the time,
don't we. But I see you beds in Christ. This
is what it's focused on. Shortage delays to heart surgeries.
Sounds very bad, gets worse story says Health New Zealand
cut ICEE you beds from thirty six to twenty four
back in March, and you think, what a curious thing

(28:47):
to do. Why would you do that given what everyone
says about the demand. Apparently you go back to March
and you find out what they said at the time.
They said that they cut the ICU staff and the
ICU pods from three to two because of demand, that
there wasn't the demand for those beds, so they cut them.

(29:08):
And they've also come out and see we've only had
to defer a small number of elective surgeries as a
result of this. So who's right? Is there a healthcare
elective healthcare, heart surgery crisis in christ Church? Or actually
was there too much supply and they were right to
cut it in the first place. Nine two nine two

(29:29):
you tell me nine to five news talks at be.

Speaker 1 (29:32):
The headlines and the hard questions. It's the mic asking breakfast.

Speaker 19 (29:36):
Milton Johns is the CEO of Genesis Energy. Do we
get to a point as the gas runs out but
the renewables increase that were all renewable, no gas, no cult.

Speaker 20 (29:45):
It's unlikely just because of the fact that we rely
so heeafully on Mother Nature. But we will become more
renewable as we go forward.

Speaker 2 (29:52):
How worried about gas are you? Bearing?

Speaker 20 (29:54):
All our fields are reaching end of life, particularly.

Speaker 19 (29:57):
Offshore field And so when you're say end of life,
you don't mean literal no gas, you just mean that
the demand outstrips the supply.

Speaker 20 (30:03):
No, I'm meaning that as a gas well comes to
the end of life, its production becomes unpredictable and it
will at some states cease to produce.

Speaker 4 (30:10):
Wow.

Speaker 19 (30:10):
Back tomorrow at six am the Mike asking Breakfast with
a Vida Newstalk ZB.

Speaker 3 (30:17):
News Talk ZB has just gone six minutes away from five.
We are checking the record, by the way, on Sarah Breden.
This is the who they think, what the I mean,
it's no one really knows who it's going to be
at this point, but they're saying it's a foreigner. They're
saying it's a woman, first woman to lead the Reserve
Bank of New Zealand, and Bloomberg's published an article basically
saying it's probably going to be Sarah Breden. She's currently

(30:39):
the Deputy Governor for Financial Stability at the Bank of England.
So we're just checking the record because unlike New Zealand,
they publish who votes up who votes down on interest rates,
and she's on the Monetary policy committee there, so we'll
look at that and tell you whether she's dubblish or not.
That's really the only question, the only qualification. I should
say that you need to run the New Zealand Reserve Bank. Russell.

(31:00):
Great news for you. I'm a big fan of Russell.
Got married in Russell. It's a beautiful little town, very picturesque,
right on the water. You can go to the Juke
of Marlbre, get yourself a beer and feel like you
are a million miles away. Fewer than a thousand people
live there. Could be our next globally recognized World Heritage
Site by UNESCO. Russell, I know, and interesting you look

(31:24):
at the I mean it's first capital obviously, first place
Europeans Land. Gorgeous, absolutely gorgeous, no doubt that it should
be on a list somewhere. But it got me thinking
what else is actually on? What do we have on
the UNESCO World Heritage List? And it ain't much. Currently
we have three entries to Waipepnamu, which is where Greenstone
comes from. It's basically the South Island, the beautiful part

(31:47):
of the South Island, the sub Antarctic Islands, tong Adito
Crossing is on there as a mixed natural and cultural site.
Three doesn't sound like enough for a country like ours.
North Korea has three. You know, Australia has twenty one
and I know they're bigger. The Sydney Opera House is

(32:07):
on there. How on earth can the Sydney Opera House
be on there and not some of the more beautiful
parts of New Zealand. What about Skytower? So we've got
to get our numbers up. I think it's a bit embarrassing.
Add Russell to the list. Bring that on. But what
else can we submit? What else can we chuck on
the list? Nine two nine two After five point thirty,
we're going to talk about Palestine, and I know some

(32:30):
people don't look like talking about it, but we will
talk about it because the Palestinian Authority is the one
being recognized, and we're talking to a member of the
Palestinian Authority about exactly what will be recognized. And interesting
if you look at what Canada has put out on
their statement recognizing a Palestinian state under the Palestinian Authority,

(32:53):
but the Palestinian authority obviously doesn't control half the territory,
and there's a caveat on this anyway that they must
have elections and it's conditional on no Hamas involvement. So
there's a caveat on a hypothetical situation. Would you call
that recognition? What exactly is it? Recognition of the palest

(33:13):
And authority? Beyond that? Brook van Velden After five Shane
Jones on the disagreement between the Coalition and New Zealand
First All Ahead News Talk SPB.

Speaker 4 (33:28):
Pressing the newsmakers to get the real story.

Speaker 1 (33:31):
It's Ryan Bridge on hither duper Sellen dry with one
New Zealand coverage like no one else saw.

Speaker 3 (33:39):
Good evening six half six alfter five. Rather great to
have your company made you shake up. Coming to how
your leave is calculated the workplace relations, Minister Brook van
Velden says the Broken Holidays actor is going being scrapped
replaced with a more streamlined system. One of the big
changes part time staff will no longer get a flat
minimum sick leave entitlement and titlement's moving to a pro

(34:01):
rater basis. Brook van Valdeen with me now, Minister Good evening,
Good evening, Ryan. Why a pro rater system, Why that
rather than everyone just getting the same.

Speaker 12 (34:12):
Well, because this is about fairness across the system. You know,
there are a lot of businesses that have seriously struggled
with the labour's changes to sickly when everyone went to
ten days, no matter how many hours they worked. And
what I've been hearing loudly from the business community is
they want it to be proportionate to the number of
hours that people actually work. And I'll just give you

(34:33):
an example of how that works out. You know, if
you've got someone who works full time and they've got
the flu for the week, they're going to need five
days sick leave for that to recover. However, if that
worker is only working one day a week, they don't
need five days sick leave to recover. They only need
the one day because they were only expecting to work
one day out of that five. So this is actually

(34:55):
proportionate for the hours worked and it's much fairer for
business to me.

Speaker 3 (35:01):
What about the minimum sickly But if you're a part
time worker, you don't get a minimum sickly entitlement anymore?

Speaker 12 (35:09):
Why no minimum Well, the way that we're wanting it
to work is based on this basic principle. People will
earn leave for the hours that they actually work. That
will be across annual leave and sick leave. So from
the first day of work, everyone will earn for the
hours that they actually do. This means for a full

(35:31):
time employee, the status quo will still remain. Most people
won't notice any difference other than the calculations behind the scene.
So a full time employee will earn from day one
rather than being entitled to leave after twelve months of employment,
but they'll get still the equivalent of four weeks. The
same for sick leave. If they've done that full year

(35:54):
at a full time rate, they'll still get ten days
of sick leave. However, for someone who's work fewer hours,
they won't be entitled to the ten days sickly, but
it will be based on how many hours did you
actually work, And if you look at that from the
annual leave side, that means that you get the same
proportion of annual nevers.

Speaker 21 (36:16):
This is fair.

Speaker 3 (36:17):
Who gets Does anyone miss out or lose out more
than others? I mean, do employers benefit here or employees more?
Or is it pretty much even Stevens across the board
or you don't know.

Speaker 12 (36:29):
Well, the way it will work across the overall economy
is it should be cross neutral. But there have been
trade offs that do need to be made, depending on
possible for depending.

Speaker 3 (36:38):
On where you are and what your hours are, all
that kind of stuff.

Speaker 12 (36:41):
That's exactly right.

Speaker 3 (36:43):
What about labor. But I think the big problem here
is labour going to agree to what you have proposed,
because if they get in interf it out, we are
back to square one.

Speaker 12 (36:53):
I certainly hope that that's not going to happen because
what I've tried to do this whole way through is
not trying and be ideological, very pragmatic about the trade offs.
There will be some employees who do benefit, and there
will be some employers who benefit as well. It'll be
based on all of those individual circumstances. But my overall

(37:13):
aim here is to create a law that would be enduring,
because we know the worst thing for business is when
they don't have stability or know that it's going to
be a political football that goes back and forth. So
instead of looking at this and saying all employers win
on every single part, I've tried to make as many
pragmatic calls as possible about employee and employer trade offs

(37:36):
to ensure that this bill, once it's an act, will
endure for decades to come.

Speaker 3 (37:41):
Right, mister, appreciate your time, Brook van Valden, workplace relations. Minister.
Time is ten after.

Speaker 4 (37:45):
Five, Ryan Bridge.

Speaker 3 (37:47):
You know the Auckland mom whose kids were found dead
in suitcases, Well she's been found guilty of murder. Hook
Young Lee has admitted she killed her kids in late
June twenty eighteen, but her defense argued she was not
guilty by reason of insanity. Jury took less than four
hours to reach its verdict. Newstoks B reporter Emily Ansel
was in court, good evening. Hello, what was the reaction?

Speaker 22 (38:09):
Well, the reaction in court was pretty swift, about as
swift as this trial has gone. Lee was standing, but she,
as she has done throughout the trials, she kept her
head about and her hands crossed, and she was quickly
escorted out following those verdicts.

Speaker 3 (38:22):
Okay, and the insanity claim from the defense, What was
that based on?

Speaker 15 (38:27):
So?

Speaker 22 (38:28):
To start, she never disputed the fact that she caused
her children's deaths, but Lee claimed she was driven to
insanity following her husband's death from cancer in November twenty seventeen,
so about seven months before it's believed the children were killed.
Her defense claimed she was suffering from delusions, being tormented
by voices, and wanted to die, but didn't want her
children to find her, all for them to live without

(38:50):
their parents, so they said she spontaneously decided to kill
her children during her own attempted suicide.

Speaker 3 (38:58):
Sheap is, so the jury's verdict definitely means they didn't
believe she was insane at the time that this happened.

Speaker 22 (39:04):
Yeah, so it was up to the defense to argue
the case for insanity, but as Justice Venning put it,
finding her guilty would essentially make that the insanity arguments irrelevant.
So the jury's verdict is in line with the crown's
forensic psychiatrist witness, doctor Eric Monasterio, who found that while
Lee was likely suffering from a depressive disorder and possibly

(39:25):
a prolonged grief disorder, there was no proof of any
psychotic elements required for that defense. So therefore he told
the jury he believed she didn't qualify, and that is
an opinion they clearly took on board and just to
continue that. The Crown argued Lee didn't want to be
a sole parent and murdered her children before fleeing to
Korea to start a new life under a new name.

(39:47):
They also argued she'd lied about how they died, and
she initially told her mum she never had children, then
telling then she told police when she was being extradited
from Korea she had left them in a New Zealand institution.
So despite the judge warning today that lies alone don't
infer guilt, it was, you know, clearly this alongside with

(40:08):
the Crown's other evidence that was convincing to the jury.
As you say, it only took them just over three
hours under four hours for them to reach their verdict
this afternoon. What happens next, So what we know is
that Lee is due to be sentenced in late November.
At the moment, it's penciled down for the twenty sixth,
So we'll wait till then to say.

Speaker 3 (40:29):
Thank you for filling us in on that News Talk
SEB reporter Emily Ansel was in court for that helped
young Lee verdict. It is thirteen minutes after five. You're
on News TALKSB. We were talking earlier about Sarah Breeden
and her voting history. This is potentially our next Reserve
Bank governor. Well, Michael has dug up. Producer Michael, that
is extraordinary dug up the numbers on her voting record.

(40:49):
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There be five seventeen this evening another agree to disagree

(41:53):
moment for the coalition. New Zealand First doesn't like the
new skilled residency pathways announced today. Government says we need
them to attract and retain good migrant workers. Businesses need them.
They are thankful. Shane Jones, New Zealand First Deputy. How
do you like the sound of that, Shane?

Speaker 23 (42:09):
Yeah, well it is invoking the agree to disagree, But
no one should be surprised.

Speaker 3 (42:15):
No, because it's immigration. But you've come out and said
we take them in, we train them up, we upskill them,
we look after their families and then they emigrate. But
in this case that's not true at all. Is it.

Speaker 23 (42:27):
An actual fact? Over the next three years we're likely
to see another seventy or eighty thousand people with a
pathway to residency that's accelerated and in short time. They
will become citizens. And the government statistician has already pointed
out earlier this year thirty percent of the people going
to Australia and then qualifying for residency and citizenship over there,

(42:51):
we're not born in New Zealand.

Speaker 3 (42:53):
Yeah, but what's the proportion of foreign born New Zealander
is currently roughly the same, So it's proportional.

Speaker 23 (42:59):
Righth No, no, it's not not, the statistician said. The
statistician said those of us who are native New Zealand
as born here represent a smaller percentage of those who
are fleeing New Zealand qualifying for Australian entitlements. Whilst we
train them, care for them, nurture them here in New Zealand.

Speaker 3 (43:18):
But when shown we're not training them, they're coming here,
they're already skilled, they have qualifications, they need to have
had five years relevant experience, including at least two in
New Zealand.

Speaker 23 (43:32):
Yeah, and it's not so much that we're not acknowledging
that they're not already here. The portion that we differed
on is that those particular people they were able to
stay here, We were willing to extend their entitlements to
continue to work here. We just don't agree that we
should fast track their residency, uplift continue the folly that

(43:55):
Jacinda bought in.

Speaker 24 (43:56):
Whereabout these are businesses, These are regional New zeaal ill
In businesses that you supposedly care about, who are crying
out and they're saying extending that on the whim of
a minister is not a lifestyle that these guys would tolerate,
and they'll bugger off and then the business is up
up at Strite Craig.

Speaker 2 (44:15):
Yeah.

Speaker 23 (44:15):
But the deeper problem that we've got to grapple with,
and it may prove to be that no government wants
to deal with it, is that we have something like
ninety thousand to one hundred thousand of these wretched young
needs from not working. We've got a track record since
twenty twenty, since two thousand and two, of continually trying
to solve this problem by relying upon immigration. There's nothing

(44:37):
wrong with New Zealand first drawing a line in the
sand and saying we need to take a hard line
and also have a harder line on the net ensuring it's.

Speaker 3 (44:47):
Saying that's great. But as you said, and you've been
in three governments over that time period, that you've just identified.
No one has fixed the problem in the meantime, what
do you say to those businesses who need them?

Speaker 23 (45:00):
Yeah, but those businesses have already got them. And I
say to the businesses, sure, I understand. I was the
chairman of Sea Lords. I thoroughly understand we're not economic Luodites.
But at what point do you stop fast trekking residency
changing the character of New Zealand's population, constantly pumping up

(45:20):
the tires of employers where we're not creating our own
kiwis to take these jobs. That's an existential challenge in
New Zealand. For this isn't title to highlight.

Speaker 3 (45:30):
What about the two hundred thousand kiwis on the doll.

Speaker 23 (45:34):
Well, don't get me started off that, you know, as
well as argue, much to the chagrin of Jasinda, I
was the guy who said get the nefs off the couch.

Speaker 3 (45:43):
And we didn't, and we haven't and there's more of
them been added daily, you know what I mean.

Speaker 23 (45:49):
Yeah, Look, there's a variety of ways how you can
pump an economy. Okay, you can massively expand immigration, which
is what Stephen Joyce and John Key did. But we're
just not up for that, up for the fact that
we are changing rapidly the character and the makeup of
our population without having gone campaign on it. Now I
accept that we've allowed the paper to go through the

(46:12):
policy in twenty twenty eight, it's going to be reviewed.
The Minister has the authority to put various occupations on
or off the green light.

Speaker 2 (46:19):
But we are where we are.

Speaker 3 (46:20):
Jane Jones, Deputy Leader of New Zealand first, disagreeing with
the coalition twenty two minutes after five news talks, they'd be.

Speaker 4 (46:26):
Digging deeper into the day's headlines.

Speaker 1 (46:28):
It's Ryan Bridge on hither duplessy Ellen DREI with one
New Zealand coverage like no one else news talks, there'd.

Speaker 3 (46:35):
Be five twenty five. We'll get to your text in
just a second. Isn't the Trump tailand old Panadole thing hilarious?
I mean not funny as in serious, but just funny?
And what is going on? You know it's a bit funny.
Come on, just admitt it. Hey, pregnant woman, listen up
that baby. You know it's going to get autism if
you take paracetamol. Just what planet are we living on? Anyway?

(46:56):
Here's The thing that gets me about all of this
because I obviously think that this is BS. I don't
believe it. But everyone can believe whatever they like, right,
that's the world we live in. You listen to your experts, oh,
listen to mine. You can make up your own mind,
you can do your own research, all that sort of stuff.
But this is what annoys me. You have these medical
experts come out and say that panidole, paracetamol completely safe,

(47:19):
completely safe, you know, and the PM said that too
today said it was completely safe.

Speaker 9 (47:23):
Haveless, parasnamol is safe. It's quite acceptable to be used
by pregnant women and others were dealing with fever. We're
very comfortable parasnamol being used in the way that it
has been as always, and I just encourage everybody if
you're concerned, check out the Ministry of Health website.

Speaker 3 (47:37):
But it's completely safe, completely safe. Now that's not true,
technically technically not true. Right, No drug is completely safe.
Take one hundred, you'll probably pop a kidney. There is
a one in a million risks of some bad stuff
happening to you, so it's not completely safe. So, you know,
it just annoys me when people say this people who
are prone to conspiracy or mistrust that kind of thing,

(48:00):
listening to these little bits in these little moments, and
we knew this announcement from Trump was coming, So why
aren't people a little more careful? And I don't mean
to pick on Christopher Luxen specifically, Sandra can see you're
upset with me about that already, but I don't mean
to pick on particularly, but just you know, if there
are people who have particular views something like this comes along,

(48:21):
they're gonna pounce. Twenty six after five Bryan Bridge share
of Breden.

Speaker 23 (48:25):
This is the.

Speaker 3 (48:26):
Potential next Reserve Bank Governor of New Zealand. She is
the deputy to a position at the Bank of England.
So how does she vote? Because they publish their minutes
and they tell you on their Monetary Policy Committee which
way people vote. So overall, hehr first vote was second
of November twenty twenty three, so I've been in the
role on the committee since twenty twenty three. Overall, she

(48:47):
voted eleven times to maintain interest rates, in five times
to reduce, voted to increase nill So there you go.
That's her voting record, and all of that depends held
their rate steady last week. The Bank of England, by
the way, worried about inflation. So the you go, she
is she's one more vote on her committee. I suppose,

(49:10):
isn't she And she may not even be. We will
have to wait talk tomorrow, of course, have to wait
till tomorrow. This is just a Bloomberg report at this stage.
Five twenty seven News Talk zaid B. We'll look at
CCTV and how You Catch a Thief? After five thirty
News News Talks EDB.

Speaker 1 (49:35):
Today's newsmakers talk to Ryan first, Ryan Bridge on hither
dupisy Ellen, Drive with One New Zealand and the power
of satellite Mobile News Talk SIBB.

Speaker 19 (49:48):
Back Savity and.

Speaker 4 (49:51):
Jursue.

Speaker 3 (49:53):
Twenty five away from six News Talks, sib we'll talk
to business their reaction to Brook, Ben Velden, her take
on the are holiday Zach the big changes to employment
relations the holiday Zach changes, I should say, which have
come in will be coming in over the next few
years and will take years more than that to actually
take effect. And for teachers, if you look at the details,
teachers won't actually notice any change from the announcement they've

(50:18):
done today for another six years. At least because they
need to update their payroll systems. Kind of thought of
nov Pay today. I remember noverpay. They had to bring
old Stephen Joyce and mister fix It to fix all
that up. Anyway, we will talk about that up to
six this evening. It is twenty five to two right now.

(50:38):
Are we too late on the Palestine question? That is
the question this evening. Winston Peters over at the UN
continues to be tight lipped over whether or not we
will recognize a Palestinian state this week. Have a listen.

Speaker 16 (50:50):
Look, we've been waiting eighty long years for an answer.
Here in a few days finding out all the facts,
it will not be wasted.

Speaker 3 (50:57):
The French are the latest to recognize. Doctor Omar Abadallah
is the Deputy Minister of Foreign Affairs of the State
of Palestine and joins me this evening.

Speaker 25 (51:05):
Good evening, good evening, and thank you for hosting me
call the best for you for our friends in New Zealand,
thank you.

Speaker 3 (51:14):
Have you noticed is it being noticed that New Zealand
isn't hasn't yet made a decision, or isn't recognizing a
Palestinian state?

Speaker 25 (51:23):
I I maybe I can't reformulate the issue that the
New Zealand is thinking of recognizing the State of Palestine,
but they are looking for the right time, the right
moment for the New Zealand people and leadership to do
that bold decision.

Speaker 3 (51:40):
Have you spoken Love maybe, Have you had any word
from our Ministry of Foreign Affairs? Have they signaled anything
about what they might be doing?

Speaker 25 (51:51):
We had, we had, we had an open discussion with
the Foreign Ministry and with the leadership about the recognition
and the importance of New Zealand to recognize the State
of Palestine and to join the countries, the principal countries
that New Zealand is part of the international community, and

(52:12):
to take that decision towards recognizing the State of Palestine
as an investment in peace, and not to delay or
postpone this decision, which will be taken as an encouragement
to the Israeli policies, the illegal Israeli policies against the
Palestinian people in Palestine.

Speaker 3 (52:32):
What exactly is being recognized by these states? And I
noticed there are a lot of caveats, particularly on the
Canadian recognition. You know, there needs to be elections, there
needs to be all all this sort of stuff needs
to happen. First, So what is actually being recognized.

Speaker 25 (52:48):
No, Actually, actually, when you recognize, you recognize the legal,
the moral, the natural right of the Palestinian people to
self determination. You recognize the people. You recognize the territory
on which the people are exercising or should exercise their
right to save determination. You recognize the government, the representatives

(53:12):
of this state, which is the p and O, the
sole representative of the Palestinian people, the legitimate representative of
the Palestinian people. You recognize the struggle, You recognize the ideas,
the principles upon which those people are acting, including the
Palestinian people, who are consistent in using the international law

(53:34):
and calling for the international community to be committed to
international law and to the international legitimacy. So this is
what the states already recognized. They recognized the suffering of
the Palestinian people since seventy seven years They recognized that
this step should be taken seventy seven years ago when

(53:57):
the Yuan divided Palestine into two one already there, but
the other state now is still being recognized by some
players and the actors and international actors. This is what
they are recognizing. The recognized the right of people to exist.
What about the hostages, the hostages and prisoners was was

(54:21):
one of the points on which the New York Declaration
about the Conference on the Peaceful Settlements of the Question
of Palestine and the implementation of the two Still Solution.
And it was clear that this conference and this endeavor
should start by a seas fire, permanent, permanent and lasting

(54:42):
seas fire, where Israel stop its aggression against the Palestinian people,
where the release of hostages and prisoners should take immediately.

Speaker 3 (54:53):
Definitely is just I'm interested from a Palestinian authority point
of view, is a Palestinian state possible with Hamas in existence?
If their goal is to wipe Israel of the face
of the planet, You know, is there those can those
things coexist?

Speaker 25 (55:12):
I think using this cote will mislead so many of
your audiences. The State of Palestine recognized Israel in nineteen
ninety three, but Israel yet not recognizing the State of Palestine,
by the way, and they still committing genocide against the
Palestinian people, and they are threatening the existence of the

(55:33):
Palestinian people. The Palestinian people are now under threat of
existence by the Israeli occupying forces and setular terrorism in
the Kubat Parasilian territory. So the state of Palestine is
about the people of the State of Palestine. It's not
about one party here or one movement here or one

(55:54):
movement there. It's about the ideology upon which the Palestinian
people are acting, who are preserving the two state solution,
while we have officialist government, Israeli government that's trying to
inaliate the Palestinian people or possibly did transfer them out,
and they speak about this clearly plantly in front of

(56:20):
all of others on the TV, that they are dehumanizing.

Speaker 2 (56:24):
The Palestinian people.

Speaker 3 (56:25):
Yeah, course here is not.

Speaker 25 (56:27):
Yes, this is about the states of Palestine and it's
legitimate leadership, which is the PLO. And this is what
the States already recognized, recognized the peace camp in Palestine.
By the way, these states, they did not recognize any
movement or any party in Palestine. They recognized all the
Palestinian people.

Speaker 3 (56:46):
Understand, doctor Oma. I really appreciate your time and for
coming on the program as we wipe this decision from
our foreign minister. Thank you very much for your time.

Speaker 25 (56:56):
You very much, thank you very much for the best.
I'm looking forward to working with you.

Speaker 3 (57:00):
At doctor Omar Awadella, who's the Deputy Minister of Foreign
Affairs of the State of Palestine. It is eighteen minutes
away from six.

Speaker 1 (57:07):
The huddle with New Zealand Southeby's International Realty. Find your
one of a kind.

Speaker 3 (57:12):
Right, Let's get to the heart of tonight. Bridget Morton,
lawyer at Frank's Ogilvy, is with us. Bridget, good evening
to you. Good evening, Rob Campbell on the phone, Aut Chancellor,
former Health endz in chair Rob, good evening, Good to
have you both here. What it we'll start with? We
might as well start here very quickly. Quick word your thoughts, Bridget.
Do you think that Winston will go ahead and follow

(57:34):
France in the UK and everyone else or will we
go out on our own?

Speaker 21 (57:38):
I think he will follow them. I think ultimately there'll
be a lot of caveats because Winston is well aware
of the foreign fears implications and didmitic indications of recognizing
the state of Palestine. But ultimately we want to be
seen as working alongside our allies.

Speaker 3 (57:53):
Mike, Rob forgive me.

Speaker 2 (57:55):
Yeah, I'm not going to start a habit of it,
but I agree with bridgide On that that's what I
think you will do.

Speaker 3 (58:00):
Okay, Hey, New Zealand, first, bridget invoking they agreed to disagree,
big deal, all just elections coming in. It's immigration. So
they pull the lever.

Speaker 21 (58:10):
Well, I think it was in a number of immigration
announcements over the last six months, all aimed at getting
more skilled and people here and more investment on our shores. Ultimately,
Sin he's in the first They know that there's the
portion of their voters that don't agree with a large
immigration push. So ultimately they were going to push back
on something, and I think this.

Speaker 2 (58:28):
Is the thing that was to do so, rob Do.

Speaker 3 (58:31):
You had Shane Jones on earlier and he's saying, you know,
the immigration, sort of unfettered immigration changing the demographics of
New Zealand, and it's a sort of changing the nature
of New Zealand. Is it a bad thing?

Speaker 2 (58:46):
Well? I mean Shane shouts at his dogs. He doesn't
use one of the traditional dog warsle study. He makes
it pretty clear what their real thoughts are. And you know,
I think, frankly, the word racist is what comes to
my mind when I hear him ing about it. I
think he's out of tune with the vast majority of
people in the country. Look, they're trickling out these announcements

(59:08):
on migration. I think this one's frankly pretty trivial. Who
knew that we were short of high expertise and jewelry
and hair dressing. That was a bit of a surprise
to me that it was a problem holding back the economy.
So frankly, ident think this one makes an awful lot
of difference. But yeah, it's a bit of election here
in Bungezeland.

Speaker 3 (59:26):
First, government's changes to the Holidays Act bridget it looks
like it's pretty balanced, and to be fair to Brook
van Velden, it's the bloody hard jobs try and clean
that mess up.

Speaker 21 (59:39):
Yeah, I mean, I mean success. The governments have made
promises to clean up the Holidays Act because the miscalculations
and the burden we've had from underpay and then had
to repay people back is just extraordinary. This system is
very simple to understand. I think employees around the country
will be celebrating that, and I do think it actually
does make it fear for our part time workers and

(01:00:00):
the whole because it does recognize the fact that they
don't need as much sickly because they're not working the
same number of death as a full time worker. But
it also recognizes that they should get loading when they're
not necessarily going to get them in any other way.

Speaker 3 (01:00:14):
Yeah, true, Rob and Bridget will be back on the
huddle in just a few seconds.

Speaker 1 (01:00:18):
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Speaker 3 (01:00:27):
Bridget Morton and Rob Campbell on the Huddle tonight, Rob
Trump and the autism research thing, what do you say
to all of that, and what do you say to
people who believe it or who think, you know, start
to worry that maybe there is a link.

Speaker 2 (01:00:43):
Well, it would be very unfortunate if that was the case.
I don't think it's much better this than intermect and
to solve COVID myself. So it really is quite nutty stuff,
and the less attention is given the better. But I
don't want I don't want to let this go. I'm
afraid this news to the Whole Day's Act does not
put a loading on part time worker, puts a loading

(01:01:05):
on casual work. The part time workers have lost as
a result of this. They get fully proportional holiday leave
right now. If you're not, you get whole. They leave
on the days you would have worked for the hours
you would have worked. Who was purely proportional before, And
this takes rights away from part time workers, So it
does hurt a number of people, a large number of

(01:01:25):
people who are amongst the most vulnerable people in our workforce.
So I can't let Bridget get away with misportraying that.
But on the autism thing, honestly, something Trump says just
deserve to be treated with a derision or ignored.

Speaker 3 (01:01:37):
So sorry, can you come back to that, Rob, What
are you saying about casual workers? How are they worse off?

Speaker 2 (01:01:44):
Casual workers are not worse off under this change that
they have had a small extra loading put on. But
a casual worker is someone who doesn't have any clicked hours.
A part time worker who works a certain number of
days a week or a certain number of hours in
the day will be worse off onto this because they
only get paid in proportion to the ours. It's purely proportional.

(01:02:04):
Now what they get. The idea that part time workers
get extra sickly at the moment is just not right.
If you fall stick on a day you don't work.
You don't get leave. If you're a part timer, you
only get paid for the days that you are actually
normally rosted to work, and you only get paid for
the hours you normally do, which is purely proportional to
what they do.

Speaker 3 (01:02:24):
This takes the step back, bridget Do you want to
comment on Trump or do we move on?

Speaker 21 (01:02:30):
I just think I feel for those parents out there that,
you know, a feeling, you know, did I do something
wrong or questioning what they have done, because they've got
children that with autism, and for them, you know, is
going to be a bunch of people. They're going to
see Trump is a validation of their conservacive views, and
that's really fine.

Speaker 3 (01:02:46):
Then, Sir Don McKinnon. Everybody's scratching around the back of
a sofa for an idea to give this economy a
bit of a tickle up. And so Don McKinnon says
we should host of Commonwealth Games. What do we think Rob.

Speaker 2 (01:03:00):
Don woke up from the slumber one afternoon and thought
he was still Secretary General of the Commonwealth or something.

Speaker 14 (01:03:05):
You know, the.

Speaker 2 (01:03:05):
Commonwealth Games is a pretty low grade thing anyway, There's
no great attraction in doing it. There's very little evidence
that these big sports events actually do trigger any amount
of economic growth, certainly not sustained economic growth. So unless
Don's actually it was half asleep and woke up thinking
he was still Secretary of General, He's just wrong about it.

(01:03:26):
It's just a silly idea and again doesn't deserve any space.

Speaker 3 (01:03:30):
Okay, well, no to the Commonwealth Games from Rob Bridget
anything positive to say about the common Games.

Speaker 21 (01:03:37):
Oh look, I applaud him for, you know, having throwing
a positive idea in there. But I think at Rob's
that's it be right that the numbers just don't add
up in the Cold Wealth Game. That's why Victoria is
pulled out of it. But I do disagree to Rob though,
that these big sporting events don't bring economic game. We're
actually for some great events coming to New Zealand in
the next couple of years which will actually, you know,
really help particularly in our region. So in the world

(01:03:59):
I'm a main Chenpionship in Taupo or Trayson and World
Championships and Tottonger Post. Those are great events that are
really going to boost those of economies without building giant
athletes soladiers.

Speaker 3 (01:04:09):
What about the America's Cup. We already had that most
of the infrastructure here. You know, we said no to
that Rugby World Cup. Can we get that batch? You know,
we'll leave it there. Guys, Bridget Morton a Rob Campbell
on the huddle tonight it is eight to six News Talk,
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Speaker 1 (01:04:25):
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Speaker 3 (01:04:33):
Five to six on News Talk seed B. Right, this
is an interesting text from one of our listeners this afternoon. Ryan,
I had a great member of staff from Ireland. He
couldn't get his visa extended. Which remember that's what Shane
Jones says. New Zealand First was offering. They were offering
instead of giving you residents. You know, if you've been
here five well, if you have five years work experienced,

(01:04:54):
two of which are in New Zealand, and you earn
more than thirty six bucks an hour and the company
wants you to stay, you know you you're a valued
skilled person. New Zealand First was saying we'll check an
extra three years on your visa so you can stay,
and the government saying no, we'll give you residents because
otherwise you will go to Australia, and that's exactly what

(01:05:14):
this text says. Ryan great member of staff Irish, couldn't
get his visa extended, left now living in Australia, had
a law degree from Ireland, a nice guy, but gave
up on immigration New Zealand and crossed the ditch. A
lot of people saying Ryan Rob Campbell, who was in
the huddle a little early, was very negative. Negative. Now,
he says, vowel as miserable as the weather. Well, weathers lovely.

Speaker 2 (01:05:38):
Uts.

Speaker 3 (01:05:39):
I've just had a look outside for the first time
this afternoon and looks fine.

Speaker 2 (01:05:42):
Here.

Speaker 3 (01:05:43):
Where are you? Ryan Rob has no idea about sick
leave entitlements, says Dave part time has get a disproportionate
amount compared to their full time equivalence. That's certainly what
we've been hearing from business this afternoon. We will hear
more after six. We will check in with them. Yeah. Look,
it's it's been a hell of an hour, hasn't it.
Autism Trump, I mean you name it, We've done Palestine immigration,

(01:06:07):
someone got called a racist. What more do you want? Okay,
it's got We've been there and came, We've been everywhere.
It is coming up to four minutes away from sexyer.
On News Talks the B we'll get the business reaction
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Speaker 1 (01:06:23):
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Speaker 4 (01:07:33):
Before top of the r Bryan Bridge.

Speaker 3 (01:07:35):
Businesses across the country welcoming the end of the Holidays Act.
It's going in the bin. Government unveiling what they call
a fast, simpler streamline replacement. Employers say the current system
lead to costly payroll errors, millions in payback in some cases.
Paul McKay is a Business New Zealand employment specialist with
me on the line, Paul, good evening, good evening, He
are you good? Thank you? Can we just clear something

(01:07:56):
up first of all about part time workers, because we've
had two points of view on this, this evening part
time workers in sick leave before and after this change
as it's as it's proposed, Are they better or worse off?

Speaker 26 (01:08:10):
Well, they're proportionately the same because under the old system
they were advantaged by the fact that they've got to
ten days leave entitlement. If they were only a one
day week a worker, then they would actually have the
ability to take ten weeks of leave off as opposed
to the LUs of you and I who would probably
get ten days, which was probably about two weeks worth.
But proatering it the way it's going to be happening

(01:08:32):
will mean that it will be proportionately the same for
absolutely everybody.

Speaker 3 (01:08:38):
So you get off, you basically get out what you
put in kind of things.

Speaker 26 (01:08:42):
That's the idious and what about learn you leave based
on ours and depending on the number of hours you work.

Speaker 2 (01:08:48):
There's about the leader get.

Speaker 3 (01:08:49):
And it will start accruing. This is for sick leave
and for annually a whole bunch of other stuff will
start occurring earlier from the day that you actually start working,
rather than having cowed six months or twelve months. Will
that cost business and do you know how much.

Speaker 26 (01:09:03):
Well, it won't cost in the sense that it's it's accruing.
It has always been the case, except that the way
it was taken in terms of entitlements meant there was
a lot of other rules. We're simplifying. We the government
are simplified by saying your crew leave or you earn
leave as you go, and it's just simply effectively money
in your bank and you will take out from that

(01:09:24):
bank of leave when you want it, and that's the balance,
that's what's left. So there's no kind of an a
a lot more simplicity attached to this.

Speaker 3 (01:09:35):
Why did it get so complicated, Well.

Speaker 26 (01:09:39):
Let's go back to nineteen forty four when the Holidays
Act was first started. We had a very different working
environment and basically it was Monday to Friday if that.
Now we have a vast array of very complex working
arrangements and the Act based on the week's approach just
simply doesn't cope.

Speaker 3 (01:09:56):
So from here we've got the legislation as to go
through the House. That's going to take a couple of
years and then it'll be well a couple of years
after that before we actually see change.

Speaker 26 (01:10:08):
We're being a bit pestimistic, and when it gets into
the house, we're hoping that it will be in the
house by the end of the year or this by
the end of the term. But yes, two years after
that before it's finally effective, because there's still it's not
just the rules, it's about putting the rules in place
inside the computers that do the calculations, and the payroll
people that need to be trained. All of that needs
to be done well as well.

Speaker 3 (01:10:28):
Is there anything changing to public to holiday public holiday pay?

Speaker 26 (01:10:32):
You know?

Speaker 3 (01:10:33):
Is that and will it make it more expensive or
would it make it more expensive to stay open on
public holidays?

Speaker 26 (01:10:38):
Potentially, not necessarily, because basically it's going to be the
same calculation for every form of leave, that reducing the
current crop of calculations for all different sorts of leave down.
There may be the occasional time when, especially when people
have uncertain hours or variable hours or casual where there

(01:10:58):
has to be some extra caution done in terms of
what ours have been done with what people have earned.
But in general and overall, we see this as being
far simpler and more cost effective.

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Speaker 4 (01:12:33):
The Rural Report on hither do for c Allen.

Speaker 3 (01:12:36):
Drive Jamie Kai's with us host of the Country, Jamie.
Good evening, Good evening, Ryan. So we've got a bit
of drama going on with Alliance. This is the meat processor. Yeah,
in fact, the.

Speaker 27 (01:12:47):
World's biggest sheep meat process, so you might remember Dawn
meets the Sirish Meat Company has struck a deal. They're
going to take a sixty five percent steak in the
process for two hundred and fifty million dollars and it
looks like it's the best of some other worse options,
to be perfectly honest, because it is one hundred percent

(01:13:09):
farmer owned cooperative and a lot of the farmers wanted
to keep it that way, but they've just run out
of rope, so they've basically got to get get a
deal done so they can poe back two hundred million
dollars of its working capital facilities, or the banks could
shut them down. However, some well held and high profiles
Southland farmers have made a large, last ditch effort to

(01:13:33):
recapitalize the company themselves. Now, they tried to do that
last year. It didn't work. But these farmers are saying, look,
farm sheep farmings and a lot better nick than it
was this time a year ago. And to chuck some
numbers at that Ryan, this time a year ago the
average profit on a sheep farm was nineteen thousand dollars.

(01:13:53):
Forty percent of the farms ran at a loss. In
the coming season, they're predicting the average farm profit to
be one hundred sixty six thousand, five hundred. So these
five large scale farmers, they've written to the board, they've
written to the bank. They want to revisit this. But
the Alliance Group chair Mark Winn, used to be the
chief executive of Balance Aggre Nutrients, a reasonably qualified sort

(01:14:17):
of business operator in the commercial world, has said, look,
he's all but shut down the idea. He says, they're
just giving the farmer shareholders false hope. So these guys
will have to vote. I think it's October the twentieth.
They're not going to have much mind of much time,
should I say, to make up their mind on an
alternative proposal, But one is going to be out there.

Speaker 3 (01:14:40):
And they're running up against that deadline, and it's coming
up pretty soon, isn't it? As you say to read?

Speaker 27 (01:14:44):
Perhaps absolutely, And just interestingly, Mark winn is saying that
if the vote fails, this is the October twenty vote.
He said Dawn Meets could purchase the Alliance Group in
an insolvency process. He says that's the most probable outcome.
And if that was the case, Ryan, they may not
need to pay two hundred and fifty million dollars. They

(01:15:07):
could get it at a fire soil price.

Speaker 3 (01:15:09):
Does not sound like a good outcome at all. Do
we need to brush off the cobwebs for Sir Dave Dobbin?

Speaker 27 (01:15:14):
Well, I don't know. I think farmers here in New
Zealand are doing considerably better than their US counterparts. It
was just interestingly story I picked up on Ryan. I
know you're a keen music fan. So last Saturday in
the US they had farm Aid farm Aid forty a
bit like live Age. You might remember in nineteen eighty
five we had Live Aid Wembley Stadium and Philadelphia Stadium,

(01:15:37):
or not long after that they had farm Aid because
Bob Dylan was quoted, some would say incorrectly as at
the time of saying, look, we're worried about the people
in Africa, what about our own farmers, because in nineteen
eighty five crop prices were crashing, bank foreclosures were wiping
out family farms at alarming rates and pushing farmer suicides

(01:16:01):
to record levels. So they got together in September of
nineteen eighty five. And it's interesting that Willie Nelson, Neil Young,
Bob Dylan, John Mellen camp I can't remember whether he
was a cougar or not at the time. Ryan, they
were in the original cast in nineteen eighty five. They
came back again for farm Aid last weekend. Over the

(01:16:23):
forty years they've raised something like eighty five million, nine
million in the first year. And you look back to
the playlist or the people who turned up in nineteen
eighty five for farm Aid, Foreigner, Chris Christopherson, Bonnie Rait,
Roy Orbison, Billy Joel, Tom Petty, the Beach Boys, Emmy
Lou Harris, Glenn Campbell, to stop me Ryan, because they

(01:16:43):
really got in behind this, and with the exception of
one or two years, we've had a farm aid concert
every year since.

Speaker 3 (01:16:50):
All right, I will stop you there. Actually Jamie Jamie
McKay hosted The Country. He good to have you on
the show nineteen minutes after six now at TV and Z.
You might remember it was reviewing its news to see
whether it was biased. Well, Shane Curry at The Herald
has got his hands on a report which has found
this is an independent review and it's identified, according to

(01:17:13):
Shane Curry, minor technical editorial issues which are worthy of
further discussion, but no major evidence, no evidence of major
systemic bias or lack of impartiality in one news reporting.
This is according to a summary of the report that
Shane Curry is publishing in his media inside a time
as nineteen a half to six now staying with television,

(01:17:36):
the boss of Netflix. He might be one of the
last people on Earth, actually at least powerful people on Earth.
Allies of Megan Markle remember that she and Harry had
this huge deal with the streaming giant, apparently worth more
than one hundred million US dollars, and everyone was like,
what what for. Anyway, they recently faced a major downgrade

(01:17:59):
apparently all the we don't know by how much, we
don't know what they're currently being paid. Despite that, the
CEO of Netflix, guy by the name of Ted Sarandos. Sarandos,
I should say, he's appeared on the Aspire with Emma
Greed and this is a podcast and had nothing but
praise for her.

Speaker 28 (01:18:18):
One thing we learned earlier with Megan she has a
remarkable influence, remarkable, remarkable. So when we did the documentary
on her and Harry, when we ran the trailer announcing it,
people hundreds of people break broke down.

Speaker 3 (01:18:33):
Every frame of the trailer didn't stop there did.

Speaker 4 (01:18:36):
It was also one of the most watched documentaries we've
were read.

Speaker 2 (01:18:39):
Wow.

Speaker 28 (01:18:40):
So it was very it was successful in every measure.

Speaker 3 (01:18:42):
That's interesting. So because you've always wondered with Netflix, you
don't see how does it rank, you know, by views,
what's the most popular? Clearly she's rating and do you
know what I have to say? This is her She's
got a cooking show on there, and I just have
to admit this as the guilty pleasure. No, not a pleasure.
That's wrong, it's wrong. Word just a guilty thing I

(01:19:04):
do is sit there and mindlessly watch Meghan mircael paint
and do arts and crafts, and you know, burn apples
in her oven. And that's it's I don't know why.
I don't know what it is about it, but it's
so mindless and simple and comforting. Sounds too nice. There's

(01:19:26):
just nothing to it. It's sort of nice food. They're
good guests and you don't have to think too hard.
So anyway, am I a Megan Michael I suppose that
makes me a Megan Michael fan. There you go, one
of the apparently hundreds of millions watching the show twenty
one after six.

Speaker 1 (01:19:42):
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Speaker 4 (01:20:08):
After show bears.

Speaker 3 (01:20:16):
Even a long time ago in a galaxy far far away,
you couldn't escape more Star Wars. The blockbuster franchises returning
to the big screen after six years with no movies.
Can you believe it's been that long? This time, they're
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Speaker 4 (01:20:36):
Good question, good shot.

Speaker 3 (01:20:43):
Yes, In case you were wondering, In case you didn't
get that, that is the show that has the baby
Yoda in it. The Mandalorian and Gralgou released its first
trailer today. Fans could not be more furious. Apparently they're
upset at Disney Well for a number of reasons at
the moment, top of mine being the suspension of Jimmy Kimmel.
Fellow Walk Show host John Oliver even called for fans

(01:21:03):
to boycott Disney Plus in response to this. The fans
who aren't super upset with Disney over Kimmel still had
something to complain about, though. They just think the movie
doesn't look very good.

Speaker 18 (01:21:15):
Well, I can see why that's not actually trending very high.

Speaker 8 (01:21:18):
I think there's a couple of reasons, but that was
such a I was like, that's plays more like an
industry clipperal than it does like a trailer.

Speaker 23 (01:21:25):
To get you all excited.

Speaker 3 (01:21:27):
All right, it comes out May twenty second for anyone
who's interested. Twenty six minutes after six and your news Talk,
said B I was going to tell you about the rapture.
Maybe I'll wait till the very end of the program,
because I don't want to ruin your day. But the rapture,
according to the Internet, is coming, and it's well, I
mean it raptures. None of them are good, are they?

(01:21:48):
So this one, this one no exception. It's just funny
how a little thing happens on the Internet and then
the Internet decides to I don't know, copy paste and
then read the word and funny things can come of it.
And funny things have come of this one.

Speaker 2 (01:22:04):
So we'll talk.

Speaker 3 (01:22:05):
We'll look at that. Just before seven o'clock this evening,
we're thinking to Enda Brady, who's over in the UK.
Are UK europe correspondent, Everyone, every man and his dog
recognizing Palestine? Although, as we said earlier, are they actually
recognizing Palestine or are they not recognizing Palestine? Because there
are so many caveats in front of what they're doing. Yeah,

(01:22:28):
I think I said on Monday. In fact, I did
say on Monday that I don't think we will recognize Palestine.
But if we do recognize Palestine with caveat ABCD, then
am I still right?

Speaker 2 (01:22:41):
You know what I mean?

Speaker 3 (01:22:42):
If you've got caveats up the wazu, then can you
say you're recognizing something that one doesn't exist and two
the authority you're claiming is in charge actually has no
authority over the territory. You know what I'm saying. It
is twenty seven after six News Talks hed B. We'll
get to the Privacy Commissioner, after news.

Speaker 4 (01:23:08):
Crunching the numbers and getting the results.

Speaker 1 (01:23:11):
It's Ryan Bridge with the Business Hour and Mass for
Insurance Investments and Kiwi Saber, you're in good hands.

Speaker 3 (01:23:19):
News Talks d B, twenty five away from the seven
you're on News Talks ed B. And I was reading
sometimes you just have to stop and think, jeez, we're
lucky to live where we live in news and I
know we've got a lot to moan about, a lot
to complain about, and we do that every day, but
sometimes you have to think we are lucky. And I

(01:23:41):
was thinking about this morning as I was reading a story.
This was from BBC. It was about a woman in
Ukraine who's her and her mum owner flat together. And
you know when you get insurance and it's there's all
the clauses up there of the wazoo that say except
if there's an act of God or an act of war,
or you know, there's all these kind of clauses well

(01:24:03):
over in Ukraine. Because the Russians obviously been bombing and
been bombing for years now, you can actually take out
insurance for an act of war, like global conflict insurance.
This woman happened to have taken out in such insurance
for her mother was paying an annual premium of fifty
two dollars US fifty two dollars a year, and just

(01:24:27):
so happens, her mum, thankfully, she was okay. This happened
last November, not injured, but the tower block that she
lives in on the outskirts of Kiev was bombed by
the Russians. Thank goodness, she had insurance. She was actually able.
She's okay, so that's fine, she's actually able to get
a payout. So she was paid out from the insurer

(01:24:49):
one thousand dollars to help cover with the repairs, which
went a long way to fixing it up in Outskirts
a Kiev there go, So just be grateful for where
we're living and that there aren't missiles dropping out of
the sky frair away from seven Rich God. A warning
for retailers that want to publicly shame apparent shoplifter's emphasis

(01:25:09):
on a parent, The Privacy Commissioner says business is Posting
CCTV video and images of a crime on social media
can cause real harm and potentially potentially be breaking the law.
So the message is simple, from them, report it to police,
leave it at that. Basically, Michael Webbs does the Privacy
Commissioner with me tonight, Hi Michael, but leave me Ryan.
Is it illegal to post videos from CCTV from your

(01:25:32):
shop onto the internet.

Speaker 29 (01:25:35):
So what we have at play here is two scenarios
and it's important not to confuse them. In general terms,
retailers can share information between themselves privately, particularly if they
have cctvodage of people committing crimes, say in a mall situation,
or there people who is in their shot. Second of

(01:25:56):
these public walls of shame or public public online posts
on Facebook, and those might be intended to, for example,
humiliate of cause embarrassment. They're not shared for the main
purpose of any other retailers and therefore they could actually
be in breach of the privacy.

Speaker 3 (01:26:10):
Yet, what does that mean. What is the potential punishment, Well, the.

Speaker 29 (01:26:16):
Potential punishment is that someone could complain. We're what cases
for example, where people have had their pictures posted They
only came in to shop with a group of friends,
one of the friends stole something. They didn't steal something,
but they had their picture posted up on one of
these public walls of shame. They suffered emotional trauma from that,

(01:26:37):
they were shunned by their small community they lived in,
and actually in the end they got a formal apology
and some financial compensation from the store.

Speaker 3 (01:26:45):
Ad issue there right, if you get it right, is
there anything wrong with it? I mean, if you identify
the right person and they were the thief, then it's
all fine.

Speaker 23 (01:26:55):
If you get it right.

Speaker 29 (01:26:56):
If you know that you've caught someone stealing, for example
through CCTV, what you should do is share that between privately,
between the retailers and the store, between yourself and your start,
say with more security, if you're part of the more
and that's an appropriate way to use that information.

Speaker 3 (01:27:14):
Do you have sympathy for the businesses who are doing this.

Speaker 29 (01:27:17):
I absolutely have sympathy for those in the retail game
at the moment. Retail crime is a serious issue, and
I've been engaging with retailers about the issues that they face,
and the publication and sharing the information about alleged defenders
is an issue for them, and so we just wanted
to help them with some guidance in the space to
do the right thing.

Speaker 3 (01:27:38):
All right, Michael, appreciate you coming on the show. Michael Webster,
Privacy Commissioner on CCTV and What Not to Do with
It twenty one minutes away from seven on News Talks
Big coming up, we'll get to Endebrady over in the UK,
Sarah Ferguson a lot of trouble for her over those
Epstein emails. Basically a mass cancelation that's ahead, whether it's a.

Speaker 1 (01:27:56):
Macro MicroB or just playing economics on the Business Hour
with Ryan Bridge and Mass for Insurance Investments and Kiwi Saber,
You're in good hands.

Speaker 4 (01:28:07):
News Talks Evy.

Speaker 3 (01:28:09):
It is eighteen minutes away from seven. The Herald's reporting
on this story today which is getting a lot of
traction and you can see why it's one it's grotesque,
but two. It is shocking what you can get away
with in New Zealand And in terms of the justice
system and how much you can get discounted for bizarre things.
And I think this has to fall into the category

(01:28:30):
of bizarre. This is a member of an affluent New
Zealand family. You might have read about this story previously
convicted of having extreme child abuse material and it was
all the details are suppressed, right, So you don't know
the family name, you don't know the man's name, you
don't know the high profile company that's involved any of
that stuff. All you know is that some sort of

(01:28:52):
affluent New Zealand family. I'm convicted for knowingly possessing thousands
of objectionable material files and knowingly importing the content.

Speaker 2 (01:29:02):
Right.

Speaker 3 (01:29:02):
So this is the person we're talking about gets a
discount on their sentence because they gave money to charity.
Fifty thousand, four hundred dollars to charities and given a
three percent sentence reduction for the donations. Like, how is that?
How is that a thing? Donations? This is the bit

(01:29:23):
that gets you. Donations were made on June ninth, twenty
twenty five. Sentencing date June thirteenth, So a couple days
before sentencing, Chucks fifty grand ats some charities and gets
a three percent discount for the privilege. More details of
that at the Herald Ins at hero dot co. Dot

(01:29:44):
Ins had just gone sixteen away from seven Ryan Bridge.
Let's go to our UK correspondent, end of Brady. Who's
with us in the good evening?

Speaker 30 (01:29:52):
Hey Ryan, good to speak to you.

Speaker 3 (01:29:53):
Great to have you on as always. Tell us what's
happening with Sarah Ferguson? The big cancelation is on?

Speaker 30 (01:30:00):
Yeah, this is extraordinary and I think a lot of
people have been waiting a long time to see this happen.
So what has sparked everything? All these charities are now
running a mile from Sarah Ferguson. And you know, as
anti charity, I've worked with a lot of charities. They're
all so badly in need of funding and money and

(01:30:20):
celebrity profile to help them. And a royal patronage is
just unheard of. You know, there's so many charities out there.
What we saw very very quickly was a small hospice
on the South coast put out a very dignified statement
saying the emails we've seen in the media over the
Weekend written by Sarah Ferguson to Jeffrey Epstein, calling him

(01:30:41):
her supreme friend and generous friend, and then you know,
apologizing if he'd heard her use the P word, as
in pedophile about him. This very small hospice issued a
dignified statement saying we don't want anything to do with
this woman anymore. Then followed a breast cancer charity, a
teenage each cancer charity trust. One after the other, they

(01:31:03):
fell like Domino's until last night, a dog's charity, believe
it or not, ran away from Sarah Ferguson of charity
for Retired Service Dogs, saying they could no longer have
anything to do with her. So I think what we're
seeing the last twenty four hours and probably more to
come today, Sarah Ferguson will be treated the same way

(01:31:23):
as her ex husband, who she still shares a home
with now.

Speaker 3 (01:31:27):
She maintained through all of this that what she was
saying public or privately was different to what she was
saying publicly. Right, So the big flaw in her argument
is that the man she had allegedly used the word
p the P word the pedophile about was Jeffrey Epstein.
He was a convicted pedophile, sorry him threatening to sue

(01:31:47):
her for defamation. You can't be sued for defamation if
what you've said about a man is factually true, proven
in court, and he went to prison for it in
two thousand and five.

Speaker 30 (01:31:59):
So her argument just does that not add up? But look,
you're not exactly dealing with the brains of Britain here
are you.

Speaker 2 (01:32:05):
Hey?

Speaker 3 (01:32:06):
Nigel Farage, he's come up with his immigration plans. He
wants to restrict benefits to UK citizens. Has all us
going what are the details and how's it going down?

Speaker 30 (01:32:16):
So he says that once he's Prime minister, and look
he's measuring the curtains up in Downing Street four years
in advance. I think he's in for a very big
fall this guy. So Forage has come out every Monday
now he's basically holding a news conference and if he
hasn't got someone to defect from the Conservatives, he comes
out with a big, outlandish piece of policy. Now already

(01:32:37):
it is riddled with holes. He says that he becomes
Prime minister, the only people eligible for benefits will be
British people UK citizens, right, And he says that everything
he's going to change about benefits and getting rid of
indefinite leave to remain. This is something that people get.
It's not as good as citizenship, but you can stay

(01:32:59):
here forever pretty much. Faras reckons that by his calculation,
and I think again this has been done on the
back of a beer matt, probably after several beers. He
reckons it will save half a trillion dollars over a generation. Now,
the think tank that provided those figures actually came back
back very very quickly and said no, no, no, this

(01:33:20):
is wrong. We made the wrong calculations. Nevertheless, this is
manna from heaven for Farag's followers and the idea that
you know, removing benefits from anyone who's not British. I
would say to Nigel we have nine point two million
people in the UK doing nothing, not in employment, not
in education, not in training, and not paying taxes. And

(01:33:42):
I would say, if you go through the nine point
two million, there aren't that many of them that are migrants.

Speaker 3 (01:33:47):
Just a hunch. Hey, I know you're a big marathon runner,
and I saw that Harry Styles run and ran a
sub three marathon in Bolin, but it's not as he's
been doing. I think he did Tokyo. He's obviously quite
into this.

Speaker 30 (01:34:01):
It's amazing and good luck to him. So he ran
under the alias stead Sarendos, so you know everyone can
see who's entered races, and if you're kind of competitive,
you go have a look through you and see who's there.
I think it's amazing. I take my hat off to Harry.
I'll be lucky to interview him over the years. He's
a lovely, lovely guy and he's just honestly, honestly Ryan,

(01:34:22):
one of these annoyingly talented people. I'm not in any
way surprised. He has everything in his locker, from the
singing to the looks, and he's a gentleman as well
to deal with. But running two fifty nine in Berlin,
I take my hat off to him. I've been trying
to run under three hours all my life. I'm pushing
fifteen now. I'll be a fifty at Christmas and the

(01:34:42):
closest I've got is three hours, twenty two minutes and
forty three seconds. So well done, Harry Styles. I'm in all.

Speaker 3 (01:34:50):
Like you said, there's nothing he can't do. Hey, you
appreciate your time in Thank you so much that it's
in the Brady, a UK correspondent. It is eleven to
seven and you're on Newstalk's EBB.

Speaker 1 (01:35:02):
It's the heather too for see Alan Drive Full Show
podcast on iHeartRadio powered by News Talk ZBB.

Speaker 3 (01:35:10):
Eight minutes away from seven News TALKSID be bad news
if you're a sinner because the raptures coming. Have you
heard about this? It's all over the internet. Apparently. A
South African pastor has set the social media scene a
light after his claim on a podcast that the rapture
is almost here, very nearly here.

Speaker 7 (01:35:27):
Se Jesus sitting on his tour and I would hear
him very loud into you, I am coming soon.

Speaker 3 (01:35:37):
So he's actually given a date past. His name is
Joshua Marcalia. He claims that he spoke to Jesus. He
said he would return to Earth on September twenty third,
twenty twenty five. That is tomorrow, well that is today actually,
but over there it's tomorrow.

Speaker 2 (01:35:52):
You see.

Speaker 3 (01:35:53):
Now all going to plan, which apparently is what it
is the return of Jesus and Christianity brings with it
the rapture when all of God's children get carried off
to heaven while the sinner's inherit the earth as the
final battle between God and Satan takes place. For those
who are unfamiliar, Just so that we're clear, I think
most of the Internet isn't taking this with a grain

(01:36:14):
of salt.

Speaker 10 (01:36:14):
Rapture trip tip number five. When you finally start moving
up into the air, I recommend that you don't hold
on to anything. I definitely don't recommend looking down. Okay,
just keep calm, take a deep breath, slowly release it,
and keep your face looking upwards.

Speaker 3 (01:36:32):
That's the Internet for today and tomorrow. Hopefully the rapture
doesn't happen, because we need to know who the new
Reserve Bank governor is, and there's a press confidence it's
going to tell us that tomorrow, according to our reporter
Azaria Howell, who we had on earlier, going to be,
according to Bloomberg, a woman going to be, according to Bloomberg,
a foreigner going to be, according to Bloomberg, the deputy

(01:36:54):
governor of the Bank of England, though none of that,
of course, is confirmed, although many of you have said
texting in this afternoon, Remember Nikola Willis did go over
to London not so long ago, so would the timing
of it would kind of match up. If she wanted
to have a little chit chat, then that would probably
be an ideal time to do it. She was over
there meeting with finance people, That's all she said. Well

(01:37:16):
that's a finance person, isn't it Anyway? Where's wait till
tomorrow and see what happens? Coming up to five away
from seven? Now, Libby, what are we going out to tonight?

Speaker 25 (01:37:24):
A bit of.

Speaker 31 (01:37:25):
Fleetwood mac Cross tonight because for a very special occasion,
Nicki Stevie next sorry has posted on Instagram.

Speaker 3 (01:37:33):
Oh, Nicki Steve, Nicki Steve.

Speaker 31 (01:37:36):
She's posted on Instagram a letter that she found in
her parents' draw at home, and it's fifty years old.
She wrote it when she was just twenty seven, and
in the letter she says, I'm getting very tired of
listening to over twelve hours of music a day, but
I'm confident it will pay off in the end.

Speaker 3 (01:37:54):
What a call a letter to write, and Sidney has
paid off. Stevie. Enjoy everybody and have a great evening.
We'll see you tomorrow.

Speaker 4 (01:38:30):
She raised like bells in life?

Speaker 12 (01:38:33):
Would you love love?

Speaker 8 (01:38:37):
She was alive?

Speaker 3 (01:38:39):
And bird fla will be love?

Speaker 32 (01:38:45):
Why you lad?

Speaker 15 (01:38:46):
You never sing?

Speaker 32 (01:38:48):
Warbles, gagging back win, would you say as I promised
you ever we have always Ellen Jay is basta, that's

(01:39:36):
got day, That's take, that's the day is fast Take Bascot.

Speaker 1 (01:40:44):
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