September 26, 2025 • 12 mins
Tonight on the Huddle: Host of Sky's Aotearoa Rugby podcast Ross Carl and NewstalkZB's own D'arcy Waldegrave join Ryan Bridge to discuss the latest sports news.
The Wallabies are facing the All Blacks at Eden Park. Can they conquer the fortress? Have the All Blacks done enough after their defeat at the hands of the Springboks to fend off the Aussies? And can the Black Ferns take 3rd place after missing out on the Rugby World Cup final?
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
The Friday Sports titled with New Zealand Southby's International Reality
the global leader in luxury real estate. It is eighty
minutes on the clock.
Speaker 2 (00:10):
He votes a enter touch and a thoroughly embarrassing night
for the All Blacks, but a wonderful night for South Africa.
Speaker 1 (00:18):
New Zealand Great Bolly Welsh and Ben Taylor, no mistake
crossing the line. What an incredible Rice del the tiny
Jamerson trucking.
Speaker 3 (00:33):
There's the silver Tunes.
Speaker 4 (00:35):
The sport huddled tonight, Ross Carl hosted skies out there
to a rugby pod and Darcy is in the studio.
Good evening, lads, name cut up. Good to have you both, Ross.
So what do you reckon it's going to happen tomorrow afternoon?
I mean, it's fascinating that No, none of the current
lot there. We're even alive the last time the Wallaby's
won at Eden Park. But that doesn't necessarily mean it
(00:56):
won't happen tomorrow.
Speaker 2 (00:58):
No. Look, there's always a chance that the Wallabies can
get up, but without two of their keyboard runners, without
Will Skelton, who's massive for them up front, with Rob Valentino,
who's one of the best forwards in zuper rugby, those
guys are so important to getting them over the game line.
And without those guys smashing over the game line, I
just don't see how they beat the All Blacks. I
(01:20):
just don't see it happening, especially an All Blacks team
with the kind of motivation and All Backs coach with
the kind of motivation they've got. Right now, when I've
been to the games where the All Blacks have been smoked,
I'm thinking Ireland in twenty sixteen, and then when the
All Blacks turn up to Island the way that they
went out with the ferocity and smoked Island and Ireland
(01:42):
after that, I just can't see Australia being able to
handle that.
Speaker 3 (01:46):
Can they be over stimulated ross appreciate? I know that's right.
I want to prove too match and go too hard
and suddenly on no, it's happening again.
Speaker 2 (01:58):
Yeah, there is something to that. I think the key
for them is making sure that they nail that first
half really well, because in general when they beat the Wallabies,
there up at halftime. But if you look through the
Rugby Championship and you look at when the points have
been scored, the Wallabies have scored nine tries in the
(02:18):
last twenty minutes of games and the All Blacks have
scored bugger all. I think you just don't do well
in the second half at all. They do well in
the first half. So that's why having Patrick Tuopolotu back
so important. That's why having a player like Cody Taylor
come back so Samasoni Takiyahu can come on in the
second half is so important. The All Blacks bench has
not been effective and now they've got two of their
(02:41):
key bench weapons coming off the bench again and to
some degree hopefully that combined with camroy Guard being back
in the way that his sniping can bring defenders in
and allow more room out wide or if they go wide,
he just go through the middle himself. I think those
things will make a massive difference in I just don't
see them losing.
Speaker 4 (03:01):
And with sam VIA's captain of course, Hey what about Tarsi.
Joe Schmidt said that the giving a crack it's got
this is what everybody look, this is what everyone tells me. Okay,
they say it's time to get rid of it. Joe
Schmidt has said that Bleddersow Cup means more than the
Rugby Championship to that to the All Blacks. Do you
(03:21):
think he's right.
Speaker 3 (03:23):
I'm not sure what means what to the All Blacks,
and they just want victory more than anything else. That
the All Blacks World Cup is right at the very
top championship's important. Bledderslow Cup. Should they lose it, maybe
ross they'd want to they'd want it back again. We've
had it for so long. It's there. I think that's
the only thing they've got left in the trophy cane
is this.
Speaker 2 (03:44):
Yeah, close on a couple of minor trophies here and there,
but yeah, they wouldn't want to let go of that.
But I don't think that that's important this week. I
don't think the trophy is really on their mind. Really,
it's about pride. Really, it's about being embarrassed and stepping
back from what was grocious performance in Wellington through the
second half. The way their scrum was emasculated, the way
(04:06):
that the spring Box just ran right through them, it
was just it was savage and to me, never mind
the cup. They are out there to save face.
Speaker 3 (04:16):
It'll be nice if they competed. It's supposed to just
stand there and watch that they go run through them
and pass.
Speaker 4 (04:21):
You're right about their shame thing, though they should have
gone on their Elephant in the Room podcast with Tory
and Goalriz the way they probably felt the last two weeks.
Our sports Huddle on a Friday evening.
Speaker 1 (04:33):
The Friday Sports Title with New Zealand South of E's
International Realty, the global leader in Luxury real Estate.
Speaker 4 (04:41):
Ross Carl and Darcy Waldergrave on the sports Huddle tonight,
the Silver Ferns got the tiny Jemison Trophy, which is great.
Unfortunately it wasn't with Dame Knowles a bit of fighting
spirit do you reckon in the In the midst of
all that controversy, Darcy I.
Speaker 3 (04:54):
Had to focus it on something they had nothing else.
It's been chaos the last few months. I'd say, not
only the Dame Noel Leane situation, but the fact that
a lot of these players can now play overseas and
come back and represent Aka grass Wikim. He saw how
important she was and he's opening two matches. They've had
trouble at Mill right from the get go, so I
(05:14):
think for their state of mind about to just get
rid of all of that and just compete on the court,
it's more of a relief than anything else, and you
can see that, you can feel that energy as they
played a lot of swapping and captaincy and the like
as well. But Avett mccaus and Jerry Ross has done
an incredible job to come in and do what she's
(05:36):
done with this team.
Speaker 2 (05:38):
She is an impressive person, isn't she. I mean, she
stepped away from running a school, a brand new school
that she's just set up a really impressive feed at
Saint Stephen's to take that school that had stopped and
start tipping there, which is amazing. But to step away
from him running a school to take an international netball
team to victory in the course of a week or two.
(05:59):
Is you know? That's old school stuff, isn't it. But
I did see that Briani Ackle the Aussie coach thing
that no Lean wants back, you know, and I really
wonder have we gone too far? You know? Can you
can you go back from you had nothing.
Speaker 4 (06:16):
To do without us, but back from what because we
don't really know do we the detail on exactly what
happened and what went down? So back from what what.
Speaker 3 (06:25):
Happens in a vacuum?
Speaker 2 (06:26):
Ryan, Yeah, when your players and your coaches aren't getting
along and that appears to be the thing. That's that's
you know, how many of them.
Speaker 3 (06:35):
Are loss That was just a couple of bad eggs?
Was it the seven? As they say? Wasn't that much
of a problem. That's been so the lack of transparency
has been awful from New Zealand epalts. When a vacuum,
you fill it up with whatever you want, and that's
what the media does, right.
Speaker 2 (06:51):
One hundred percent. But boy, I mean that is some
drastic action if it was only a small thing, exactly.
You just you've got to move forward. You can't move back.
Surely they've got to find a new coach and carry
on forward.
Speaker 3 (07:09):
On full on coaching. Woman, and she ain't take this
lying down. I like the fact she could come back
and yes to go all right, here we go again.
Speaker 2 (07:17):
Look, I'm with you having met her. She's so impressive
and she has so much respect from so many players.
When push comes to shot, relationships of what you've got
and even if you are an amazing coach, even if
you can drive a team hard and win world championships,
you know, if the relationships are fractured and friends have
friends and people talk and all those things happen at
(07:39):
some point you've got to cut ties and start a frond.
Speaker 4 (07:41):
Hey, the black ferns. So they're playing for third at
the Rugby World Cup, more third and fourth? And are
we still interested now that we're not in the final?
Speaker 2 (07:49):
Dussie?
Speaker 3 (07:49):
This is the game that nobody wants to play, really,
the disappointment of losing in a semi final. You get
the titles gone and you've got to stick around Mother
England for another week and play a game of rugby
for what bronze medal?
Speaker 4 (08:03):
For the love of the game.
Speaker 3 (08:05):
Ah, Right's right, the love of the game. There'll be
a bit of naval gazing with the site if anything, though,
Ross George Mello is gonna come back and have a
bit of a bit of a whirl which she was
sorely missed last week, so is a positive there. But
it's real. It's a real leapdown, isn't it. It's like
you let the air out of the balloe and it
goes around the room. That's third v four.
Speaker 2 (08:28):
Yeah, I think there's plenty to play for here though.
You know they don't have an impressive record against France.
There's lost five of the last seven against France. They
won the last one by twenty five points or something.
But they this game is no given. For the Black
Ferns to beat France, they have to be absolutely at
their best. If you think the World Cup in New Zealand,
France should have beaten them in that semi final. They
(08:48):
shouldn't have even made the final. There was a mystick
from in front that changed it put New Zealand in
the chance to win. So this game here is by
no means a certainty for the Black Ferns to win.
So for that reason alone, I think they'll be dialed
in because they have to be. They've got to take
something home out of this. And after last week and
(09:09):
you know, the inconsistencies at the breakdown, the ref was
an absolute shocker.
Speaker 3 (09:14):
I don't do it, Ross, do not blame that. No,
don't blame the reef. You can't do it.
Speaker 2 (09:18):
Don't blame the Ref'm going to I'm not going to
blame the ref completely. But under this the Black Further
played eleven games under that ref and lost five of them.
So they headed into that game knowing that they struggle
with this reef. They should have dialed in on I've
dialed in a lot, haven't I They should have really
honed in on what it is that they struggle under
this ref with and it's always the breakdown. And yet
(09:39):
again they stuffed up the breakdown. And while they were inconsistent,
and while their discipline was terrible, I've never seen a
rugby game where a team isn't penalized till the sixty
first minute of the second half, it really didn't help
them at all.
Speaker 4 (09:52):
I was going to say, there's enough of this. This
is getting a bit sad playing for third and fourth.
Let's about Ben Taylor and Oliver Welch. This is an
amazing result for them, only their first year of being
in a partnership together and won the World Champs. Starts.
Speaker 3 (10:05):
See, it's madness. No one saw this coming. I think
they only got together as a unit as one, didn't
they ross at the start of this year? Hi mate,
how are you? What's your home again?
Speaker 2 (10:14):
Ah?
Speaker 3 (10:15):
Defense? Everyone of a world in this both they beat
the sternest opposition by five seconds and that's no mean
feed over what sex and six and nearly seven minutes.
It's astonishing. This this is maybe the start of another
great era.
Speaker 4 (10:30):
Yeah that's what it feels like.
Speaker 3 (10:31):
Yeah, well you think old Bond back in the day
with his mate, and what they managed to achieve was
how long did they go for unbeaten sixty nine different
races ross.
Speaker 2 (10:44):
Yeah, there was a lot. I think the six world
titles and two gold medals, right, they were something superblic.
I don't know enough about going backwards in a boat
to tell you whether these guys are going to be
the next big thing. But you win world championships at
age group level and then you step up and you
win world championships at the top level. Cheesy maker Mark
really quickly won a World Cup too. It's pretty clear
(11:04):
they've got something there and without putting you know who
do on them. Look, they've got a big future.
Speaker 4 (11:11):
I mean you look at this, so you look at rowing.
I mean, look at us at the athletics.
Speaker 2 (11:14):
Dr C.
Speaker 4 (11:15):
We just forget about rugby for now, can't we.
Speaker 3 (11:17):
I think the focus on alternate sports in all seriousness
it is growing. And when you look at what's happened
in World athletics, this is a sport where sort of
getting in the wrong place with a javelin throw at
the shop, but you're not going to get badly damaged.
I think a lot of kids are now looking at this,
and parents are looking at this, going, hey, you can
actually travel globally, we can win world championships. We've got
(11:39):
proof right there. I'll be surprised that this really surges
in the next decade as far as competition and participation
goes as well. But yeah, coming close to Bond and
Murray for those two guys, good luck. They absolute freaks,
those two. But hey, never say never. And I don't
know a lot about going backwards in a boat, but
what I do know is they had one or each right,
(12:02):
that's what happens in that, and you go the other one.
They have two wars each doubles peirs.
Speaker 2 (12:08):
Got it?
Speaker 3 (12:08):
Do you even care?
Speaker 2 (12:10):
Darcy?
Speaker 4 (12:10):
Thank you for that contribution. Darcy Waldegrave and Ross Carl
on the sports title tonight, Cheers team It is seven
to a Goo, the AB's seven Away from six.
Speaker 1 (12:21):
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The Friday Sports titled with New Zealand Southby's International Reality
the global leader in luxury real estate. It is eighty
minutes on the clock.
Speaker 2 (00:10):
He votes a enter touch and a thoroughly embarrassing night
for the All Blacks, but a wonderful night for South Africa.
Speaker 1 (00:18):
New Zealand Great Bolly Welsh and Ben Taylor, no mistake
crossing the line. What an incredible Rice del the tiny
Jamerson trucking.
Speaker 3 (00:33):
There's the silver Tunes.
Speaker 4 (00:35):
The sport huddled tonight, Ross Carl hosted skies out there
to a rugby pod and Darcy is in the studio.
Good evening, lads, name cut up. Good to have you both, Ross.
So what do you reckon it's going to happen tomorrow afternoon?
I mean, it's fascinating that No, none of the current
lot there. We're even alive the last time the Wallaby's
won at Eden Park. But that doesn't necessarily mean it
(00:56):
won't happen tomorrow.
Speaker 2 (00:58):
No. Look, there's always a chance that the Wallabies can
get up, but without two of their keyboard runners, without
Will Skelton, who's massive for them up front, with Rob Valentino,
who's one of the best forwards in zuper rugby, those
guys are so important to getting them over the game line.
And without those guys smashing over the game line, I
just don't see how they beat the All Blacks. I
(01:20):
just don't see it happening, especially an All Blacks team
with the kind of motivation and All Backs coach with
the kind of motivation they've got. Right now, when I've
been to the games where the All Blacks have been smoked,
I'm thinking Ireland in twenty sixteen, and then when the
All Blacks turn up to Island the way that they
went out with the ferocity and smoked Island and Ireland
(01:42):
after that, I just can't see Australia being able to
handle that.
Speaker 3 (01:46):
Can they be over stimulated ross appreciate? I know that's right.
I want to prove too match and go too hard
and suddenly on no, it's happening again.
Speaker 2 (01:58):
Yeah, there is something to that. I think the key
for them is making sure that they nail that first
half really well, because in general when they beat the Wallabies,
there up at halftime. But if you look through the
Rugby Championship and you look at when the points have
been scored, the Wallabies have scored nine tries in the
(02:18):
last twenty minutes of games and the All Blacks have
scored bugger all. I think you just don't do well
in the second half at all. They do well in
the first half. So that's why having Patrick Tuopolotu back
so important. That's why having a player like Cody Taylor
come back so Samasoni Takiyahu can come on in the
second half is so important. The All Blacks bench has
not been effective and now they've got two of their
(02:41):
key bench weapons coming off the bench again and to
some degree hopefully that combined with camroy Guard being back
in the way that his sniping can bring defenders in
and allow more room out wide or if they go wide,
he just go through the middle himself. I think those
things will make a massive difference in I just don't
see them losing.
Speaker 4 (03:01):
And with sam VIA's captain of course, Hey what about Tarsi.
Joe Schmidt said that the giving a crack it's got
this is what everybody look, this is what everyone tells me. Okay,
they say it's time to get rid of it. Joe
Schmidt has said that Bleddersow Cup means more than the
Rugby Championship to that to the All Blacks. Do you
(03:21):
think he's right.
Speaker 3 (03:23):
I'm not sure what means what to the All Blacks,
and they just want victory more than anything else. That
the All Blacks World Cup is right at the very
top championship's important. Bledderslow Cup. Should they lose it, maybe
ross they'd want to they'd want it back again. We've
had it for so long. It's there. I think that's
the only thing they've got left in the trophy cane
is this.
Speaker 2 (03:44):
Yeah, close on a couple of minor trophies here and there,
but yeah, they wouldn't want to let go of that.
But I don't think that that's important this week. I
don't think the trophy is really on their mind. Really,
it's about pride. Really, it's about being embarrassed and stepping
back from what was grocious performance in Wellington through the
second half. The way their scrum was emasculated, the way
(04:06):
that the spring Box just ran right through them, it
was just it was savage and to me, never mind
the cup. They are out there to save face.
Speaker 3 (04:16):
It'll be nice if they competed. It's supposed to just
stand there and watch that they go run through them
and pass.
Speaker 4 (04:21):
You're right about their shame thing, though they should have
gone on their Elephant in the Room podcast with Tory
and Goalriz the way they probably felt the last two weeks.
Our sports Huddle on a Friday evening.
Speaker 1 (04:33):
The Friday Sports Title with New Zealand South of E's
International Realty, the global leader in Luxury real Estate.
Speaker 4 (04:41):
Ross Carl and Darcy Waldergrave on the sports Huddle tonight,
the Silver Ferns got the tiny Jemison Trophy, which is great.
Unfortunately it wasn't with Dame Knowles a bit of fighting
spirit do you reckon in the In the midst of
all that controversy, Darcy I.
Speaker 3 (04:54):
Had to focus it on something they had nothing else.
It's been chaos the last few months. I'd say, not
only the Dame Noel Leane situation, but the fact that
a lot of these players can now play overseas and
come back and represent Aka grass Wikim. He saw how
important she was and he's opening two matches. They've had
trouble at Mill right from the get go, so I
(05:14):
think for their state of mind about to just get
rid of all of that and just compete on the court,
it's more of a relief than anything else, and you
can see that, you can feel that energy as they
played a lot of swapping and captaincy and the like
as well. But Avett mccaus and Jerry Ross has done
an incredible job to come in and do what she's
(05:36):
done with this team.
Speaker 2 (05:38):
She is an impressive person, isn't she. I mean, she
stepped away from running a school, a brand new school
that she's just set up a really impressive feed at
Saint Stephen's to take that school that had stopped and
start tipping there, which is amazing. But to step away
from him running a school to take an international netball
team to victory in the course of a week or two.
(05:59):
Is you know? That's old school stuff, isn't it. But
I did see that Briani Ackle the Aussie coach thing
that no Lean wants back, you know, and I really
wonder have we gone too far? You know? Can you
can you go back from you had nothing.
Speaker 4 (06:16):
To do without us, but back from what because we
don't really know do we the detail on exactly what
happened and what went down? So back from what what.
Speaker 3 (06:25):
Happens in a vacuum?
Speaker 2 (06:26):
Ryan, Yeah, when your players and your coaches aren't getting
along and that appears to be the thing. That's that's
you know, how many of them.
Speaker 3 (06:35):
Are loss That was just a couple of bad eggs?
Was it the seven? As they say? Wasn't that much
of a problem. That's been so the lack of transparency
has been awful from New Zealand epalts. When a vacuum,
you fill it up with whatever you want, and that's
what the media does, right.
Speaker 2 (06:51):
One hundred percent. But boy, I mean that is some
drastic action if it was only a small thing, exactly.
You just you've got to move forward. You can't move back.
Surely they've got to find a new coach and carry
on forward.
Speaker 3 (07:09):
On full on coaching. Woman, and she ain't take this
lying down. I like the fact she could come back
and yes to go all right, here we go again.
Speaker 2 (07:17):
Look, I'm with you having met her. She's so impressive
and she has so much respect from so many players.
When push comes to shot, relationships of what you've got
and even if you are an amazing coach, even if
you can drive a team hard and win world championships,
you know, if the relationships are fractured and friends have
friends and people talk and all those things happen at
(07:39):
some point you've got to cut ties and start a frond.
Speaker 4 (07:41):
Hey, the black ferns. So they're playing for third at
the Rugby World Cup, more third and fourth? And are
we still interested now that we're not in the final?
Speaker 2 (07:49):
Dussie?
Speaker 3 (07:49):
This is the game that nobody wants to play, really,
the disappointment of losing in a semi final. You get
the titles gone and you've got to stick around Mother
England for another week and play a game of rugby
for what bronze medal?
Speaker 4 (08:03):
For the love of the game.
Speaker 3 (08:05):
Ah, Right's right, the love of the game. There'll be
a bit of naval gazing with the site if anything, though,
Ross George Mello is gonna come back and have a
bit of a bit of a whirl which she was
sorely missed last week, so is a positive there. But
it's real. It's a real leapdown, isn't it. It's like
you let the air out of the balloe and it
goes around the room. That's third v four.
Speaker 2 (08:28):
Yeah, I think there's plenty to play for here though.
You know they don't have an impressive record against France.
There's lost five of the last seven against France. They
won the last one by twenty five points or something.
But they this game is no given. For the Black
Ferns to beat France, they have to be absolutely at
their best. If you think the World Cup in New Zealand,
France should have beaten them in that semi final. They
(08:48):
shouldn't have even made the final. There was a mystick
from in front that changed it put New Zealand in
the chance to win. So this game here is by
no means a certainty for the Black Ferns to win.
So for that reason alone, I think they'll be dialed
in because they have to be. They've got to take
something home out of this. And after last week and
(09:09):
you know, the inconsistencies at the breakdown, the ref was
an absolute shocker.
Speaker 3 (09:14):
I don't do it, Ross, do not blame that. No,
don't blame the reef. You can't do it.
Speaker 2 (09:18):
Don't blame the Ref'm going to I'm not going to
blame the ref completely. But under this the Black Further
played eleven games under that ref and lost five of them.
So they headed into that game knowing that they struggle
with this reef. They should have dialed in on I've
dialed in a lot, haven't I They should have really
honed in on what it is that they struggle under
this ref with and it's always the breakdown. And yet
(09:39):
again they stuffed up the breakdown. And while they were inconsistent,
and while their discipline was terrible, I've never seen a
rugby game where a team isn't penalized till the sixty
first minute of the second half, it really didn't help
them at all.
Speaker 4 (09:52):
I was going to say, there's enough of this. This
is getting a bit sad playing for third and fourth.
Let's about Ben Taylor and Oliver Welch. This is an
amazing result for them, only their first year of being
in a partnership together and won the World Champs. Starts.
Speaker 3 (10:05):
See, it's madness. No one saw this coming. I think
they only got together as a unit as one, didn't
they ross at the start of this year? Hi mate,
how are you? What's your home again?
Speaker 2 (10:14):
Ah?
Speaker 3 (10:15):
Defense? Everyone of a world in this both they beat
the sternest opposition by five seconds and that's no mean
feed over what sex and six and nearly seven minutes.
It's astonishing. This this is maybe the start of another
great era.
Speaker 4 (10:30):
Yeah that's what it feels like.
Speaker 3 (10:31):
Yeah, well you think old Bond back in the day
with his mate, and what they managed to achieve was
how long did they go for unbeaten sixty nine different
races ross.
Speaker 2 (10:44):
Yeah, there was a lot. I think the six world
titles and two gold medals, right, they were something superblic.
I don't know enough about going backwards in a boat
to tell you whether these guys are going to be
the next big thing. But you win world championships at
age group level and then you step up and you
win world championships at the top level. Cheesy maker Mark
really quickly won a World Cup too. It's pretty clear
(11:04):
they've got something there and without putting you know who
do on them. Look, they've got a big future.
Speaker 4 (11:11):
I mean you look at this, so you look at rowing.
I mean, look at us at the athletics.
Speaker 2 (11:14):
Dr C.
Speaker 4 (11:15):
We just forget about rugby for now, can't we.
Speaker 3 (11:17):
I think the focus on alternate sports in all seriousness
it is growing. And when you look at what's happened
in World athletics, this is a sport where sort of
getting in the wrong place with a javelin throw at
the shop, but you're not going to get badly damaged.
I think a lot of kids are now looking at this,
and parents are looking at this, going, hey, you can
actually travel globally, we can win world championships. We've got
(11:39):
proof right there. I'll be surprised that this really surges
in the next decade as far as competition and participation
goes as well. But yeah, coming close to Bond and
Murray for those two guys, good luck. They absolute freaks,
those two. But hey, never say never. And I don't
know a lot about going backwards in a boat, but
what I do know is they had one or each right,
(12:02):
that's what happens in that, and you go the other one.
They have two wars each doubles peirs.
Speaker 2 (12:08):
Got it?
Speaker 3 (12:08):
Do you even care?
Speaker 2 (12:10):
Darcy?
Speaker 4 (12:10):
Thank you for that contribution. Darcy Waldegrave and Ross Carl
on the sports title tonight, Cheers team It is seven
to a Goo, the AB's seven Away from six.
Speaker 1 (12:21):
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