Full Show Podcast: 26 September 2025

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Speaker 1 (00:01):
The only drive show you can try to ask the
questions just to get the answers, find a fact sack
and give the analysis. Bryan Bridge on hither Duplicy Ellen
Drive with One New Zealand and the power of satellite
mobile news dogs.

Speaker 2 (00:15):
Evy, Good afternoon.

Speaker 3 (00:16):
As four h seven, we'll look at this statement from
the cops on Tom Phillips, the confidential files sent to
the dump and Wellington Chris Bishop reckons sport and politics,
do mix Trump's got new tariffs, our economies on the up?
And Tim Horan on Project Fortress for the Wallabies. Bryan Bridge,
if you want a case study on why this country's
productivity is going backwards and has been since COVID, look

(00:37):
no further than acc big scrap going on there. Did
you see this with the union this week? Staff report
feeling anxious and frustrated, which is never good. But why
will the boss Senton emails suggesting, not even commanding, just
hinting that they might have to come into the office
more often to you know, work. Currently they get to
work from home three days a week, so they are

(00:59):
in the off for the equivalent of a weekend. And
it was exactly a year ago you might remember this
that Christopher Luxen and Nikola Will have stood up there
at post cabin ordered public servants back to the office.
The good old days are over, they said, and they
were watching clearly the message didn't get through. There's been
a review inn acc of a hybrid working model, which

(01:19):
is what they call it, and guess what, surprise. Surprise
staff only want to go into work two days a
week and their managers say otherwise. The more you don't
turn up to the office, they say, the less productive
and engaged you are in your job. The economists tell
us productivity has been going backwards since COVID is that
a surprise. Work is not meant to be a holiday.

(01:39):
Whether you like your job or not, you've got to
turn up for it, don't you. The fact we ranked
sixty third out of sixty seven countries on productivity is
a national economic disaster. Literally. It's one of the main
reasons we in thirty percent less than the Aussies and
most of the OECD. There are, of course, many other
reasons for this, but our attitude to worlds that it's

(02:00):
some sort of entitlement that must work around our lives
has got to be one of them.

Speaker 2 (02:07):
Y and bread Rich.

Speaker 3 (02:14):
Nine two is number's texts. Great to get your feedback
this afternoon. Proposed changes won't make vote counting happen any faster.
This is according to the Electoral Commission, which says they'll
still need twenty days to count Luxon, though he still
reckons the process needs to be sped up.

Speaker 4 (02:30):
Oh well, we expect them to speed up the voting
pretty simple.

Speaker 5 (02:33):
You don't just move it back two weeks and then
say we're going to expect with the same deadline we're
living in twenty twenty five and I just suggest that
vote can be counted a hell it a lot faster
than what we've experienced in New Zealand.

Speaker 3 (02:42):
Constitutional lawyer Graham edeler with me, Now, hey Graham, hello,
it can it be made faster? Is he right?

Speaker 4 (02:50):
No? Like maybe a day or two, but not really.
I mean it's not that vote counting takes long time
in New Zealand. It takes about this long everywhere. Australia
had an election a few months back, sort of from
where to go the election and then the official result
took them thirty four days. Finally our last election.

Speaker 3 (03:07):
Was thirty three.

Speaker 4 (03:09):
You know, it's the difficulty is, and the problem, or
in part the solution in New Zealand is we let
people cast a special vote on election day. Anywhere in
the country. You can vote on election day. A lot
of other countries don't do that. If you're in the
United Kingdom, you cast a vote the parliamentary election there
you're told your voting booth is the school hall at

(03:29):
this street. You can only vote there, and you have
to vote there on election day. And if you want
a special vote, you're going to have to cast it
a couple of weeks in advance. Are you going to
be away? And they do then the same sorts of
checks on special botes. Was this person eligible, where they
really enrolled? And all those sorts of things that we
do here, but they get to do them a couple

(03:51):
of weeks earlier. The reason that votes take this long
it's not the counting of them, it's the checking of
the special votes. It is this person really entitled to vote,
not just people enrolling late. It's people are on the
unpublished role, or people who are in Auckland for work,
but they're normally live in Wellington. And so because we
say you can vote anywhere in the country, that's when

(04:12):
we have to start doing a lot of those checks.
So why does the people haven't cast them that day?

Speaker 6 (04:16):
Graham?

Speaker 3 (04:16):
Why then is the government proposing these changes and the
hope of speeding things up when they could have just
done what you said.

Speaker 4 (04:24):
I don't know, you know, it's I really don't like.
I mean, there's there's a formal deadline of how long
they can take the count these and we changed it
a couple of elections ago. We didn't notice the disinder's
last victory because it was so far ahead it didn't
matter how long it took the count we knew who
had already won. They're not proposing to change the deadline.

(04:45):
They extended it by I think it was five or
ten days or something like that back six eight years ago.
Whenever it was. It's something deadline law.

Speaker 3 (04:53):
Is there something that's wrong with letting people vote? Well,
we let people vote early, but allowing the it's to
be counted early.

Speaker 4 (05:04):
Again, it's ordinary votes. You know, people who go in
and you know, vote where they're supposed to. If you
vote in your local place, you know, I live in
Auckland Central, or you live in Wellington Central or wherever
you go and vote there on the day, that vote
can be counted really quickly because all the checks have
already been done. That person was enrolled to vote, and

(05:25):
they voted in their electorate and we crossed them off.
And as long as you didn't cross their name off
twice and have to check did that person vote twice,
that's a few days. You know, the vote counting only
takes a few days. It's the other checks that we
have to do, and other countries do as well, which
is why you know it takes you know, a month
to get the official result. The difference with New Zealand

(05:47):
compared to Australia is you know they knew what the
result was because it was you know, the Australian Labor
Party was far enough ahead that the results in the
final few electorates which were close didn't matter themselves.

Speaker 3 (05:59):
And then we then have to go through the arduous
coalition negotiation process, don't we in New Zealand. So basically
I think the moral of the story here is we
just make it like the census, Like if you're not home,
you know you're going to vote. If you're not home
where the census comes, you don't get to fill it in,
so you either fit vote in your area, in your

(06:19):
local town hall, or you might have to do it
way earlier and if you're somewhere else you can't. What
do we think? Thirteen after four Jason Pine.

Speaker 2 (06:29):
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Speaker 1 (06:31):
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Speaker 3 (06:38):
Four sixteen News Talks ZB. Lots of text on the
vote thing. Ryan, the vote won't be quicker when Winston
and Seymour spend weeks squabbling over who's going to be
the deputy PM. Yeah, it's probably true. Ryan. Just use
the tab as a polling station. You could have the
votes count quick smarts' is MJ thank you for that? Now.
No current Wallabies were alive the last time they won
at Eden Park, So do we still feel the pressure?

(07:01):
Tim Horan is a former Wallaby he was, of course,
have a listen.

Speaker 7 (07:05):
I think for us, for the Wallabies fans now what
they've seen the last sort of three or four weeks.
For all the Australian teams, it's the Blterslow Cup, Like
we need to get our hands somehow on.

Speaker 2 (07:14):
The Blitters Cup.

Speaker 7 (07:15):
We haven't had it for about twenty three years and
we want to try and get it.

Speaker 2 (07:19):
Back at some stage, and that's what the fans want
to see.

Speaker 7 (07:21):
Even if you just beat the All Blacks once, that's
what the momentum we need.

Speaker 3 (07:25):
Now that was two months ago. How positive is he
feeling now? He's on the show after five this evening.

Speaker 1 (07:30):
Sport with TB Bedlave with him. Play are eating bit responsibly?

Speaker 3 (07:34):
Jason Pines in the studio. Hey Jason, Hey Ryan, Yes,
so what do you reckon?

Speaker 8 (07:38):
Well, they've got to win both TESTA, win the Bledterslow Cup.
That's his first difficulty is not only do they have
to somehow break the fortress of Eaton Park, but then
they've got to go to Perth and win over there. Look,
I think tomorrow night what you'll see is an All
Blacks reaction to what happened two weeks ago. Because whenever
the All Blacks get tied up lose a game, they
aren't expected to lose, and certainly lose in the manner

(07:59):
in which they did and Wellington, the response is normally brutal.
It's normally compulsory, you know, given the All Blacks Jersey
legacy to bounce back and to respond to something like that.
So unfortunately for the Wallabies, I get the feeling that
the bled Slow Cup won't be going across the Tasman
because of the All Blacks winter Tomorrow night. It stays
here regardless of what happens in Perth. So I don't know. Australia, yes,

(08:22):
they're resurgeon under Joe Schmidt. It was a low bar
because Eddie Jones, you know, just left that team in
the shambles. I just don't see them coming here tomorrow
night and winning.

Speaker 3 (08:31):
What about what Joe said this? I think it was
yesterday about the Bledislow Cup, how much it means to
the ABS as opposed to the Rugby Championship. Do you
think that's still true?

Speaker 8 (08:40):
I think so, Yeah, I think so. I heard Cody
Taylor yesterday say it's the one that it's the second
one for US World Cup and Bledislow Cup is next
more than the Rugby Championship, which is interesting. But it's
so long standing. Tomorrow night's the one hundred and eightieth
game between these two nations. It goes back to nineteen
oh three, so you know, and they're our closest neighbors.

Speaker 3 (08:58):
But even when they're not that good, yeah, and there
have been times when they haven't been.

Speaker 8 (09:03):
But I'm old enough to remember sort of between ninety
let's say ninety seven and two thousand and three where
they had it the whole time, and every time we've
played Australia's like, goodness me, can we get our hands
on this damn cup? And we couldn't And now it's
almost like it's now it's all. We've got the letters
like that, of course we have. You know, no one's
ever put on Facebook. The Australia, you know has celebrated
an Australian and went on in the Bladerslay Cup on

(09:24):
Facebook because that came along in six So no one's ever,
no one's ever put on social media.

Speaker 4 (09:29):
Alabis won the cup.

Speaker 3 (09:30):
Take it for granted, although we don't do we now?
Could the RANFILLI she'll be changing hands again tomorrow.

Speaker 8 (09:35):
It could, but I don't think it will. North Harbor
go to Dunedin to take on Otago. It's been at
five different places this year, which is great. I love
it when it gets shared around North Harbor though have
played eight games this year and lost them all. Funny
things happen when that logs on the sideline, as a
few of the holders this year who have given it
up all a test but I just don't see it.
Otaga also know that if they win tomorrow, they keep

(09:56):
it for the summer, and that's that's quite a cool
thing to have to sort of share around the READI
and so well North Harbor are a starter's chance tomorrow.

Speaker 3 (10:03):
I don't see them beating Otager. All right, Jason, we'll
see you tonight. I think that's very much Jason Pine
our sports ZB it is full nineteen. We'll be back
in just a second. Lots of texts coming in on
the productivity issue, but also on voting and how you
would feel about if you were told you could only
vote in your local area on election day and if
you didn't do that then you would have to vote early.

(10:25):
Would you be that upset about it? If it's sped things.

Speaker 2 (10:28):
Up, cutting through the noise to get the facts.

Speaker 1 (10:31):
It's Ryan Bridge on Hither duplessy Ellen drive with one
New Zealand.

Speaker 2 (10:35):
Coverage like no one else used.

Speaker 3 (10:37):
Talksb us talks heb has just gone twenty two minutes
after for James Comby, the former FBI boss, been indicted
on two charges. As he is innocent.

Speaker 9 (10:45):
My heart is broken for the Department of Justice, but
I have great confidence in the federal judicial system.

Speaker 6 (10:52):
I'm innocent.

Speaker 3 (10:53):
This related to disclosure of sensitive information in testimony that
he gave. So the Justice Department now indicted him. First
time an FBI boss has ever been indicted in the US.
By the way, we'll talk to a US correspondent about
that after full thirty this evening. Now working from home.
Loads of you have texted in on this because I
was just talking about the spat between ACC and the

(11:13):
union about how many days a week they're allowed to
stay home, well, work from home. Did you know that actually,
health and safety wise, it's the employer's responsibility. Even though
you're working from home, they are still responsible for your
health and safety there, and that means that you're covered
by ACC through your work contribution. And guess how many

(11:35):
claims there have been. I don't know if I said
to you in the last five years from people working
from injuries of people working from home two hundred thousand.
What on earth do people do to get injured? Well,
apparently lifting and carrying boxes or heavy things the most common.
Then you've got loss of balance, people just falling over,
puncturing themselves, fractures and dislocations. Now this one is curious

(12:00):
about what sort of work would that involve? How you know,
what do you have to Are you a personal trainer
doing an online video and you fall over and break
if your arm or is it stuff that's not necessarily
related to the job but happens to happen at home,
like you fall down the stairs. I don't know, And
is that should that be counted under your work? Levy
for acc twenty four minutes after four Ryan Bridge, Ryan,

(12:24):
for goodness sakes, it is twenty twenty five, says this Texter.
Why can't we vote online? It's bloody ludicrous that we
still have to vote like it's the eighteen hundreds. I
think the answer is basically Russia and the fact that
they might rig or hoax, you know, get involved and
sort of you know, get basically skew the election. Ryan

(12:45):
Luxon promised an announcement on Palestine this week. Yeah, I
was going to mention this it's Sunday, Saturday rather our
time from Winston Peters. It's going to be They're not
exactly sure, but after eleven around eleven am, if you're
that interested, it will be of course covered here on
news TALKSB I should say, Now, consumer confidence the green

(13:08):
shirts that everyone talks about signs of life where we're
seeing some The ain Z Roy Morgan consumer Confidence Index
out today we have past peak pessimism. Everybody yay celebration September.
We're up from ninety two to ninety four point six. Now,
this is good. Anything positive or increasing is good. Anything
going backwards is bad, obviously, and we've been going backwards

(13:30):
for ten months, so to be going forwards is a
good sign. Anything above one hundred is optimism. We are
touching cloth on optimism. You could say at this point,
the proportion of consumers thinking now is a good time
to buy a major household item is up just one point,
still remains negative at eleven percent, but at least it's
going in the right direction. Perceptions of current personal financial situation,

(13:53):
So do you feel better or worse off than last year?
That is up eleven points again negative to negative thirteen percent,
but going in the right direction, you'd have to say,
so we are feeling less poor. Essentially, consumer areas we
spoke about these numbers earlier in the week have been dropping.
So we're both basically getting back on the horse, slowly

(14:15):
but surely getting back on the horse, getting back on
the up, which is great. It is twenty six minutes
after four here on news Talk set B and Hellenstein's
released their results today as well. They are both across
Australia and New Zealand, and surprise, surprise, the increase of
twelve percent to fifty eight million dollars for their after
tax net profit is down to Australia, not US, they

(14:38):
have said, and the only comment they make about New
Zealand and I can see here in New Zealand, trading
conditions remain mixed, cost of living pressures, et cetera, et cetera,
some moderate signs of improvement. So that is something, isn't it.
We'll take that. I haven't shopped at Helenstein's in a
very long time. I have to say. I used to
buy my T shirts from there, but they're quite thin

(14:58):
and prone to losing their shape when you put them.

Speaker 6 (15:02):
In the wash.

Speaker 3 (15:03):
You even noticed that about cheap T shirts. Anyway, now
that I'm older and getting fatter, I prefer thicker T
shirts because they sort of hold their own shape as
your body doesn't. If you know what I mean, I'm
talking about mamboobs. Okay, thicker T shirts. You know what
I'm talking about men Us talks VB.

Speaker 1 (15:20):
Hard questions, strong opinion, Ryan Bridge on hither duplicy Ellen
Drive with One New Zealand and the power of satellite
mobile news sogs eNB.

Speaker 3 (15:32):
Ten seven True, twenty five away from five year on
news Talks ZIB Tom Phillips and the statement from police
this afternoon. We'll look at this after five o'clock. But basically,
if you haven't caught up with the story, police saying
they never stopped looking, never stopped trying, and they spent
thousands of hours trying to do that. Firearms he had them,

(15:54):
they knew that. They said he was motivated to use them,
he wouldn't surrender, and he was prepared to put the
kids in harms away. That's what the police have said
in the statement today. They also revealed that they did
see him. He was detected in transit and it's the
wording they use a couple of times, but they could
never really intervene safely. Drones supplied and operated by Airbus.

(16:17):
They flew for one hundred and eleven hours over a
period of two weeks in April. Here's the thing about
all of this. Do we think that they just gave up.
Maybe there was a point, maybe there were you know,
there was a middle period there after all of the
initial searching went on where they pulled back a little bit.
But clearly something changed this year when the Airbus drones

(16:38):
were put up. The agencies involved Special Tactics Group, Armed
Defender Squad, Search and Rescue and Tactical Operations Group, also
the New Zealand Defense Force with helicopter and ground assets.
People saying this statement is ask covering from police. My
question to you what would you have done differently and

(17:01):
what would the public reaction have been if they went
in guns blazing and the kids never made it out
of life?

Speaker 1 (17:09):
It's the world wires on youth talks, they'd be drive.

Speaker 3 (17:14):
Trump met with the Turkish president Urduwan.

Speaker 10 (17:17):
The best thing he could do is not by spoiling
gas from Russia.

Speaker 9 (17:20):
If he did that, that would be probably.

Speaker 6 (17:24):
The best thing. He knows. Putin, like I know, putin.

Speaker 3 (17:27):
It's got a point there, doesn't he a bit of
a gag from Trumpet to one's expense.

Speaker 10 (17:30):
We've been friends for a long time, actually even for
four years when I was in exile. Unfairly, as it
turns out, rigged election, you know, he knows about rigged
elections better than anybody.

Speaker 3 (17:47):
Right, Suspicious drone incursions they continuing over Europe. I mean,
I've been obsessed with this. I don't know about you,
but I've certainly been talking to you about a lot.
Two airports closed again overnight in Denmark. And they're not
the work of an amateur. That much we know he
is the Danish Minister of Defense.

Speaker 11 (18:02):
Well, not yet in a place where we know for
sure who is behind it, but there must be no
doubt that everything indicates that it is a professional actor
when it comes to such a systematic operation that's so
many locations almost simultaneously.

Speaker 3 (18:16):
Finally, a million year old skull found in China is
rewriting what we know about human evolution. Turns out Homo
sapiens began to emerge at least half a million years
earlier than we thought. I don't really know what that changes.
Does that make you feel different, knowing that we were
four hundred thousand years earlier than we thought yesterday? Not really.

(18:37):
I'm sure some scientists somewhere will care. Twenty two minutes
away from.

Speaker 1 (18:40):
Five international correspondence with ends and eye insurance, peace of
mind for new Zealand business child.

Speaker 3 (18:46):
Feldman now US correspondent Charles former FBI director James Comy indicted.

Speaker 9 (18:52):
Yes, sir Ryan, and a very troubling day, I should
add for this country. And I'll tell you why. Since
the Watergate Nixon years, by both law and practice, the
Department of Justice has been independent of whoever happens to
be in the White House, whoever happens to be President

(19:12):
of the United States. Until today, this was an indictment
brought by the urgings public urgings of President Trump. He
has been vocal on television and social media demanding that
his Department of Justice indict the former director of the FBI,

(19:33):
James Commey. And so, in fact today that is exactly
what happened. And in fact, in order to get that indictment,
the attorney who would have been the one to bring
it to a grand jury actually had to be replaced
by none other than someone who was once Donald Trump's
personal defense attorney. An extraordinary occurrence.

Speaker 3 (19:56):
So you think this is basically trumped up charges? What
is it for? Lif Congress in twenty twenty some testimony
that COMI gave.

Speaker 9 (20:04):
That's right, the basic charge and it's a very thin
indictment so far, by the way, it's two pages, and
it accuses Comy of in effect lying during testimony before
congressional committee all those years ago, when he was asked
whether or not he had authorized a leak to the
news media about something that was going on at a

(20:27):
high level of government. He had told the committee that
he had not authorized it. They are saying that, in effect,
they caught him in a lie, and therefore it was
also obstruction of a congressional committee's actions. So each of
those two charges, there are two different distinct charges in
the indictment. Each one, if convicted, could subject to mister

(20:48):
Comy do five years in prison for each. But it
is not even clearer whether or not this will ever
get to trial. There are a number of legal experts here, Ryan,
who are saying that a judge is is very possibly
going to throw this whole thing out.

Speaker 3 (21:03):
We've got an executive order on TikTok and ownership in
the US. What's it saying.

Speaker 9 (21:09):
Well, the TikTok thing says that a deal has been reached,
although the deal is very very scatchy with the Chinese
to in effect transfer the ownership of TikTok, which of course,
is owned by a Chinese company to a consortium of Americans,
mostly very wealthy Americans, people like Rupert Murdoch, who owns

(21:32):
and of course is responsible for the Fox News Channel,
Michael Dell, who founded Dell Computers, that sort of thing.
The company in China would still own, according to the
preliminary reports, about twenty percent of the company, but it
would seem to satisfy the demands of Congress that an
American company basically owns and runs TikTok?

Speaker 3 (21:55):
Hey, what's Jimmy Kimmel's writings like? Now?

Speaker 9 (21:58):
They're very very good. On a normal night, Jimmy Kimmel's
show averages a little bit more than a million viewers
across the network. On his return to television the night
before last. On linear television, the preliminary figures were about

(22:19):
six plus million. But if you've also take into account
how many people viewed the broadcast on YouTube that claims
to greater than twenty one million people.

Speaker 3 (22:33):
Jeepus, how long will that last? Is the question? I suppose, Charles,
Thank you, Charles Feldman are US correspondent. It's eighteen away
from five, Bryan Brieg, I also just have staying with
Trump for a second, he has announced a whole bunch
of tariffs. This is tariffs on pharmaceuticals one hundred percent
on important drugs coming in from October first. Now the
date's important because up until even a few weeks ago,

(22:55):
he was saying I'll give you a year's notice or
maybe even eighteen months notice before I would bring in
a farmer tariff. He's given a week on truth social today.
So all the big farmer firms, as you can imagine,
trying to pile billions of dollars into America for new
or expanding factories, because that's the condition you can get.
You can get around the tariff if you just build

(23:16):
manufacturing plants here. So six point five billion announced for
a plant in Houston in a week. A week before that,
five billion for a plant in Virginia. So is it working?
I mean, it'll make drugs more expensive, but is it
really kind of working? Seventeen away from five politics.

Speaker 1 (23:33):
With centric credit, check your customers and get payments certay.

Speaker 3 (23:36):
Called to five RNE. Nothing police could do danger to
the kid's imagine the risk of getting the children killed
with firearms involves is Georgie will talk to Lance Burdette
about the police statement on Tom Phillips after five right
now as Aara Halsari, Good afternoon, Good afternoon. So what
the big announcement on energy sector? The Frontier report finally coming,
It's going to be next week. What do we know?

Speaker 12 (23:57):
Yeah, So Simon Bridges, who's the now the chief executive
of the Auckland Business Chamber, has released some details in
a survey on energy reform and it shows quite a
lot of people have an appetite for change. So really
crunching the numbers here, sixty two percent of respondents support
the government underwriting the cost of new electricity generation if

(24:18):
it helped to bring down prices. Twenty one percent of
respondents did not support such a move. But it does
come as tops cost of living rather is top of
mind for so many people. And another interesting question competition
in the sector. I mean, people in the survey were
questioned on whether competition may improve if the government broke
up the gent tailors that's those companies that generate and

(24:40):
sell electricity. Forty nine percent of people agreed with breaking
that up, essentially requiring them to separate generation and retail.
And on this one, twenty percent of people opposed to
the idea thirty one percent unsure about this?

Speaker 3 (24:55):
What about this elections situation? The Electoral Commission comes out
says no, well, pmcays make it faster. They said no,
the changes won't make it faster. And then now he's
come out and responded to that. Zaria.

Speaker 12 (25:07):
Yeah, so the PM has had a bit to say
just getting people up to speed this morning. It's clear
he's not happy. I mean, here's a little bit about
what he's had to say. In terms of the Commission's
advice about those electoral changes.

Speaker 4 (25:18):
We expect them to speed up the voting pretty simple.

Speaker 5 (25:21):
You don't just move it back two weeks and then
say we're going to stick with the same deadline we're
living in twenty twenty five. And I just suggest that
vote can be counted a hell of a lot faster
than what we've experienced in New Zealand. So go look
at other Western economies around the world and how fast
they count their vote. We must be the slowest folk
on the planet.

Speaker 12 (25:38):
And also worth pointing out here, the Regulatory Impact Statement
on the policy says that Paul Goldsmith, who's the Minister
of Justice, expressed an expectation the vote count should be
completed within fourteen days, so that is two weeks. We've
also had an update from the Electoral Commission on this one.
Ryan Chief Electoral Officer Carl Lacaine has put out a
statement saying we understand how important it is to deliver

(26:00):
a timely election result. He says it's also critically important
that any result we deliver is correct and all the
necessary checks are undertaken so the public can trust that.
He says, a growing number of special votes is slowing
the process, but get this, we can give assurance that
we are working hard on strategies to deliver election results faster,

(26:21):
while Professor d Knight, who's an academic at Victoria University
in Wellington, says the Prime Minister needs to take much
more care here in terms of for obvious constitutional reasons.
He's saying ministers cannot give formal directions to a body
like the Commission, and nor should ministers with these kind
of casual and pointed remarks about their wishes or their expectations.

(26:43):
And just now a spokesperson for the Prime Minister has
come back with a statement saying the PM was reflecting
New Zealander's views on the core role of the Electoral
Commission there.

Speaker 3 (26:53):
Okay, and now Winston Peter's Foreign Minister announcement from him
at the u N tomorrow morning our time.

Speaker 12 (27:00):
Yeah, So Foreign Minister Winston Peters, he's in New York.
He's been meeting with world leaders this week ahead of
confirmation of that final position on a Palestinian state. He's
previously told media he's been planning to listen and hear
all of those arguments on the matter ahead of sort
of finalizing the decision. We understand it will be one
single decision on behalf of the government. We're expecting that

(27:22):
speech to take place late tomorrow morning. Previously, the Prime
Minister has said that recognition of a Palestinian state is
a matter of when, not if. In recent days, as
we will have seen, world leaders the likes of the UK, Canada,
France and Australia have put support behind a Palestinian state
and formal recognition of it. Meanwhile, Israel's Prime Minister Benjamin

(27:43):
Natanyahu says quote, there will be no Palestinian states. So
it does seem like a position from New Zealand will
be made clear tomorrow.

Speaker 3 (27:51):
All right, Zari think for that, Zara Howe. Politics on
Newstalk ZB it is eleven away from five. I'll tell
you what I think about that frontier report that's coming
out next week.

Speaker 1 (27:59):
Next hard Talk Bold takes big Stories. It's the Mic
Hosking Breakfast.

Speaker 13 (28:05):
I mean, apart from the Greens, it seems we're all
celebrating the Fonterra result net profit a bit over a
billion dollars sixteen billion in cash returns to the farms.
Peed McBride as the chairman of Fonterira and as well
as Wayne Langford, the fed farmer says this is the
new normal.

Speaker 3 (28:17):
Is he bullish or right? Both?

Speaker 14 (28:19):
Well, I guess he's an optimists of farmers anyway.

Speaker 3 (28:22):
I guess so.

Speaker 13 (28:22):
But I mean, it just keeps on keeping on at
ten plus, not only out of this last season, but
forecast for this next season. When does it end, and
if it does end, how well, we don't.

Speaker 15 (28:31):
Know when it ends. I guess it's a function of
global support and demand.

Speaker 16 (28:34):
But similarly, we doing our best to maintain these sort
of levels.

Speaker 13 (28:38):
Back Monday from six am The Mic Hosking Breakfast with
a Veda News Talk zaid B.

Speaker 3 (28:43):
Seven to five. For anyone who hopes that they will
break up the gent tailors. They're not going to break
up the gent taylors. So next week the Frontier reports
coming out. Look what they're having with the supermarkets. You know,
it's a big talk and then it's no action. This
is a partially listed or they are partially listed companies
that we're talking about. They're not going to go in
with a sledgehammer. And you only have to listen to
Simon Watts, who's the minister. Where's the quote significant but surgical? Okay,

(29:08):
you don't use the words surgical if you're going to
push the nuclear button and split up the gen from
the tailor, do you that is a big call to make.
He's calling them significant because he has to, because otherwise
it makes it all like they've done nothing. But the
word surgical is dead giveaway there. They're not going to
be that's coming out next week. I think it's Wednesday.
We'll have to wait and see. Heather will be back

(29:30):
with you then. But wednesday we should get the Frontier
report and ideally at the same time we will get
the government's response to the report. Six to five. Over
in the UK, the King of the North, he's been
talking himself up really on media this is to try
and get rid of Starma and to try and replace Starmer.
Have a listened to Andy Burnham.

Speaker 17 (29:50):
MPs were in touch with me, but let me also
give an honest explanation of what I said to those MPs.
It's not up to me. It's not my decision. That's
the matter for you, for the party in parliament.

Speaker 3 (30:04):
Star has not been drawn into all this.

Speaker 18 (30:05):
Well, I'm not going to get drawn into a commenting
on the mayor's personal ambitions, but I do want to
be really clear about our fiscal rules because economic stability
is the foundational stone of this government.

Speaker 3 (30:21):
See who talks like that? Who do you know that
you've met at the pub or at work talks about
a foundational stone of anything. This is what annoys me.
I was talking about this with Laura this afternoon about
politicians these days except for and you Trump. People who
text in the show will love this. But you know,
Donald Trump sits there and watches cable television, doesn't read
a single briefing paper, sits there and watches cable television

(30:45):
and goes out and does a speech and people are enthralled,
and you wonder, and then Kamala Harris comes out with
her word salads and no one understands what she's saying.
There is a fine line for politicians between reading your
briefing notes so you actually know what you're talking about out,
but not being sucked in by them too much to
the point where you use words like fundational stone, you know,

(31:07):
and knowing what's going on on the streets. That's the
job of a politician. And I think there's been a
drift and you'll see it and you can hear it
in the way that people talk. A drift towards the
more managerial bureaucratics speak, the moving forwards and the trajectories
and the paths of that. No one talks like that,

(31:29):
so stop doing it's annoying. Four minutes away from five
by the way, Andy Burnham and the UK, he's the
mayor of Greater Manchester, so he is going to have
to first there's a lot of water to go under
that bridge first become an MP. So he needs to
win a by election. So quite confident for a guy
to be talking about, you know, replacing the Prime Minister

(31:50):
when you're not even an MP. He would have to
win a by elections first, would then have to get
the numbers and rolling in labor over there a lot
more difficult than rolling in conservatives. So there you go.
I thought you might enjoy this story out of the
UK as well, and love a good Daily Mail scandal
on a Friday. This is about Greta Thunberg and the flotilla,
you know, the one that's going to Gaza. Well, on

(32:11):
the way they stopped off in Tanisia and there was
a big kerfuffle and the leadership of this group has
now broken up. In fact, they are reporting that Greta
has it's all descended into chaos and she's left her
leadership role on the flotilla. Apparently some of the pro
Palestine activists furious that there was some queer activists involved,

(32:33):
some LGBTQI plus activists on board, so they were kicked off. Well,
one of them left the flotilla in Tunisia and the
headline from the Daily Mailers woke on woke fury. So
there you go. Are they going to solve the world's
problems or just bicker on the way there? Three to

(32:53):
five will talk Lance Burdette on the Cops and Tom Phillips.

Speaker 1 (32:57):
Next, pressing the newsmakers to get the real story. It's

(33:18):
Ryan Bridge on Hither Duplice Ellen Drive with one New
Zealand coverage like no one else New saw.

Speaker 3 (33:26):
Good evening at seven after five. Here's what you need
to know about this police statement on Tom Phillips today.
They detected him several times over the years, but it
was never safe enough to actually catch them. They used
the Special Tactics Group, Armed Defenders Squad, search and rescue,
support from the Defense Force, drones, helicopters, tracking cameras four years,
still couldn't find them. Bush was too dense. They say,

(33:46):
why the statement now is the question and what does
it mean? Lance burd Debt is former police negotiated with
us Lance, good evening, Good evenings, Brian. What did you
make the lengths they went to?

Speaker 16 (33:58):
Well, I thought it was a little unusual because some
in there as tactics that they use. I thought it
was just a little unusual there, you know. But the
big thing that we have to be mindful of is
that we don't have all of the facts yet, so
once you know all that we can make a judgment.
But yeah, it did seem to you know, I think
there was everything in there except the CIA drone. They
tried everything, you know. I suspect human source was tried,

(34:22):
so they would have probably put an undercover, a police
officer into the community at some stage or somewhere around there.
They would have tried going to organizations like volunteer firefighters.
They know everything about their neighborhood, so I'm sure they've
tried everything, though they could have. You know, it's a
balancing act between causing physical, emotional or psychological distress the children.

(34:44):
So it is a hell of a call. But you know,
as things transpired hindsight, it's a wonderful thing.

Speaker 3 (34:50):
They did say that they detected the family and you know,
sort of in transit on occasion, but couldn't intervene safely.
Does that raise questions for you, you know, detected and
then lost again or is it just the bush?

Speaker 16 (35:03):
Well, it would be just the bush and there's but
the other thing is there's caves there as well. The
thing that there's a couple of things that sort of
I query having young children in the bush in the
wintertime for four years, that that heart that he was under,
I mean, anyone could put that up. So there would
have been some secure I'm sure during the wintertime, some

(35:25):
refuge for them to go to. But all of these deployments,
the question would be asked of when were they deployed and.

Speaker 3 (35:32):
For how long?

Speaker 16 (35:32):
Because I mean, you haven't got finite resources, so you
would wouldn't want to be putting drones up with the
Special Tactics Group and perhaps dogs going at the same time.
It's about spacing them out so that when Tom may
come out after everybody's left the bush, that that's when
you put your drones up. So the timing is really imperative.

Speaker 3 (35:52):
So what do you think you said, it's interesting the
level of detailed they've gone into. Why do you think
they're doing.

Speaker 19 (35:58):
Well?

Speaker 16 (35:58):
I think they've been heavily critical sized and it's a
way of saying, well, look, you know, this is what
we've done. That's sort the only thing I can think of. Well,
as I senior investigator, I wouldn't give out some of
this information, although it's pretty much what you're seeing in
the movies, but you know, these are tactics that they have.
The other thing that sort of bugging me a little

(36:20):
bit is police tend not to use their specialists. They
don't use them as much as they could. The Special
Tactics Group are highly trained, but we have an advanced
negotiation team who are well versed in psychological practices and
human behavior. I don't think they use them enough and

(36:41):
sometimes they go outside of their own capabilities and don't
look deep enough within their own staff levels.

Speaker 3 (36:51):
Interesting, Lance, thank you for that. Lance Burdett form of
police negotiator on the Tom Phillips police statement today. Ten
after five. So guy goes to a tip in Wellington,
buys an old Meyal office desk and inside in a
lot to draw a case of secret documents, among them
staff pay details, termination documents, a sexual harassment complaint. The

(37:12):
papers mostly date between nineteen eighty eight and the early
two thousands. Dame Kerry Prindergarthfam Wellington memas with me now,
Dame carry good evening.

Speaker 14 (37:21):
Good evening, Ryan, Nice to talk to you.

Speaker 3 (37:22):
Nice to talk to you too. Were you surprised that
this happened?

Speaker 14 (37:27):
Well, incredibly surprised. I mean it's a paulm that confidential
papers are out in the public domain and the people
I understand that some relate to are still alive, and
I'm very disappointed. One they've gotten to the media and cercely,
most importantly, they went clear out of the desk before

(37:48):
it went to the tip.

Speaker 3 (37:49):
Have you heard from Wellington City Council at all today,
because they have put out a statement they say they're
doing an internal investigation and they sort of rubbish this guy,
Raymond Morgan a little bit, saying he didn't tip them
off properly enough or something like that.

Speaker 14 (38:03):
So I have I have met Worth Matt Prosser, who's
the chief executive, who has assured me a full internal
investigation is happening. They're doing their best to get the
papers back to give people some sense that the private
information will be should be resecured. I understand that the

(38:25):
person who gave them to the media didn't really give
an indication to the course into just the sort of
sensitive information they had. And I have to say Ryan,
most people I think would have put it in a
box and delivered it to counsel rather than putting it
on a website that gave access to the media team.

Speaker 3 (38:42):
Yeah, I think that's probably a fair point. Dame Carey,
appreciate your time tonight, Dame Carey Prendergasall on the Mayor
of Wellington. Time is twelve minutes after five, so you
might have heard all the may Day May Day drama
in the News today, full May Day call. This was
for all the bells and whistles rolled out at Auckland Airports.
This after a Quantus plane coming into land from Sydney
detected a fire in the cargo hold of the plane.

(39:04):
Don't worry, it's all fine. Apparently it was some sort
of faulty sensor. But this is Ossie passenger Troy Bullsen. Bullsen, Yeah,
speaking to the Herald, there was.

Speaker 7 (39:14):
Only about fifteen of Pima gay truck Stan.

Speaker 2 (39:17):
It was a very good welcome.

Speaker 7 (39:19):
I was just waiting for the water to come on
in slides, but that didn't happen.

Speaker 3 (39:22):
So how do you survive? How do you celebrate surviving
a potential life and death situation? Troy, Oh, Now, I'm
going to have four hundred years brilliant here for the
rugby on Saturday night or Saturday afternoon, I should say,
thirteen minutes after five news talk set B. These days,
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Sure on News Talk ZBIT seventeen minutes after five, This
one's a bit weird. Associate Sport Minister Chris Bishop has
unveiled a new sport diplomacy strategy which would see our
athletes used to strengthen global ties and boost trade. The
new initiative will first focused on India, the Pacific and

(40:47):
the US. The minister with US. Now, good evening, Good evening.
So do we send Bob Charles to do the tariff
negotiations with Trump?

Speaker 20 (40:56):
No.

Speaker 21 (40:56):
Look, it's just about the fact that sport is an
area where need Island has true global reach, where it
might on the world stage for not only our pro
west but also our integrity, our professionalism, our sportsmanship. And
it's about tying trade and our economic and tourism linkages
together with sports so we can make sure we get
best banged for buck. You know, we haven't probably put
our best foot forward when it comes to linking and

(41:16):
sport to those other really important areas of our foreign
and trade policy.

Speaker 3 (41:20):
So more of a tourism thing than a diplomatic thing.

Speaker 21 (41:24):
Well, it's about all of the above, right, So it
will depend on the market you're going into. But if
you think about America, for example, which the US, which
is one of our first focused markets. You know, we're
trying very hard to get foreign investment from the US
into into New Zealand. You know, Erica Stanford was up
in the US a couple of weeks ago meeting with
foreign investors and promoting our Golden visa now, the All

(41:44):
Blacks are playing a game in Chicago against Ireland at
the end of October, and so we're just making sure
that you know, around that event, we're leveraging off that
event because the All Blacks are a global brand, global
inassas for New Zealand and the US, So there's a
whole range of things we'll be doing around that game
to attract investment.

Speaker 20 (42:01):
A lot of investors going to the game.

Speaker 21 (42:03):
For example, New Zealand is arranging a series of events
around that to try and drum.

Speaker 20 (42:08):
Up interest in New Zealand.

Speaker 21 (42:09):
And you know, the sky is literally a lot of
it when it comes to these sort of things.

Speaker 3 (42:13):
Does it need a strategy? I mean, if you do,
can you not just invite some investors to a corporate box?
Do you know what I don't understand? It sounds about
eerie Ferry Minister.

Speaker 20 (42:21):
Well, it's only a ten page strategy.

Speaker 21 (42:23):
I think people who are ten pages, well, people listening
will know that I'm not someone who is into kind
of every fairy fluff. You know, I'm the opposite of fluff.
I'm about actual results and actual things to do. So
it's a it's a strategy to make sure we've got
all working together.

Speaker 3 (42:41):
What's your miserable? Then what is the outcome that if
you can get an investor to an all blacks game,
is that a win?

Speaker 20 (42:48):
That is a win.

Speaker 21 (42:49):
If you think about India for example, where we're negotiating
a free trade deal next year, is one hundred years
India and New Zealand sporting. That's right, a hundred years
of New Zealand India sport. So we today again announced
today that we'll be celebrating one hundred years of that
relationship and doing a whole series of events around that
next year and looking to invite Indian ministers and Indian

(43:10):
officials down to New Zealand to celebrate one hundred years
of sporting ties. And of course that makes total sense
because we're trying to deepen our relationship with India, a
very important market for New Zealand.

Speaker 3 (43:19):
Hey, bit of a bruising week for the government this week.
The mood of the board, well for some anyway, you've
been Prime Minister, been looking as wounds. What's the plan
next week?

Speaker 21 (43:30):
I don't think that's the case at all. I think
actually it's been a really exciting week. I mean I
was up with the PM on Tuesday we launched launched
the O Teching and North of In two billion dollar
twenty four kilometer.

Speaker 20 (43:40):
Expressway north of Levin.

Speaker 21 (43:41):
And then of course this morning we turned the side
on the first fast Track project down at the Port
of Auckland, which is going to add hundreds of millions
of dollars to GDP. So you know, it's been, actually,
I think have been a really exciting week now. Obviously
we want to see better mood of the boardroom results,
we take that on board. We'll listen to the feedback
that's come through there. But actually reading the commentary, some
of the things that the business leaders were saying we

(44:02):
should be doing, we are doing. You know, when it
comes to RMA reform.

Speaker 3 (44:06):
Isn't the problem. Isn't it the problem? You are doing
what they want you to do, but it's just they
don't like Luxon.

Speaker 20 (44:13):
I don't think that's the case.

Speaker 21 (44:14):
I think actually the government has a broad agenda, a
reform agenda across a range of areas that you know,
we're really proud of, and you know we're always working
hard to make sure the public's are aware of that and
we need to keep working harder.

Speaker 3 (44:24):
Obviously, fair enough, Minister appreciate your time, look forward to
the deliverables on your sport diplomacy strategy. That is Chris Bishop,
whose Associate Minister of Sport time is twenty one after
five News Talks FB.

Speaker 1 (44:35):
Digging deeper into the d's headlines, it's Ryan Bridge on
hither duplicy Ellen dre with one New Zealand coverage like
no one else News TALKSB.

Speaker 3 (44:44):
Five twenty three. I can't work out why there's Winston
climate change thing is news or even some sort of revelation.
Basically today the U when he says there's a couple
of big emitters in the world and then there's everyone
else and we can't solve it until they do something.
He's spoken about this before. But also look at our
emissions where zero point one seven percent of global emissions. Sure,

(45:08):
our population is zero point zero six percent of the
world population, which means that on a per capita basis,
we have more than we should be. But and this
is what no one talks about. We feed forty million
consumers around the world. Protein means a few cow burps
and ll farts. The Greens in the last twenty four
hours have been saying cut the cows and no to

(45:29):
oil and gas, which would drive us back into the
dark ages. You think times are tough, now, oh boy,
take away the cows, take away the agriculture, and poverty
comes knocking at your door. Nobody, well, most aren't saying
that climate change isn't real, but you've got to be
rational and practical in your response given our share of
the global contribution to it, which shouldn't I don't think

(45:51):
be breaking news or any great revelation. Twenty five minutes
after five news talks have been so can the All
Blacks hold on in Eden Park tomorrow against the Wallabies? Yes? Probably.
We're going to talk to Tim Horran, who's a former
All Black, sorry, former Wallaby on the show after five
point thirty. We'll also check in with our sport huddle
for tonight. Joe Schmidt has said this is Wallaby's coach

(46:13):
for now. He's leaving soon, but Wallaby's coach obviously, former
selective for the All Blacks, former assistant coach. Yeah. He
says the bledders Low Cup means more to us to
Kiwi's than the Rugby Championship. I don't know about that,
because Australia hasn't been that great of late you may
have noticed. So does that not take some of the stings,
some of the excitement out of the bledders Low Cup

(46:35):
for you? It certainly has for me so and I'm
more interested in what's going on further north, you know,
with the Irish, what's happening with South Africa. The big
competition these days, aren't they not to say they count
or won't come back? It is coming up to twenty
six minutes after five. You might have heard there's been
a conviction in the Sorry the Loafers Lodge fire and Wellington.

(47:01):
So this guy by the name of es Serona Ilga
has been convicted of murdering five people by lighting the
fires there. He's fifty years old, known as Essa. He
was born in Wellington in nineteen seventy five. This is
a bit about him. He was raised by his grandmother.
Then he was taken to a small village near Apia

(47:21):
in Samoa. He was devastated when his grandmother died later
in his life. He has had a long history of
mental health issues. First came to the attention of services
in nineteen ninety nine. He was twenty four years old.
He was hearing voices in his head schizophrenia. He's been
diagnosed two thousand and nine, convicted of attempted murdered with

(47:41):
the machete, fifty convictions in total. And you look at
something like that and he's been convicted of murdering five
people today. You look at something like that and you go,
is this person you know, bad? Mad? Sad? You'd have
to say this person is mad, you know, has a
mental illness. Does that ex use it? No? Does it

(48:02):
help to explain it? I think yes? And is that
in terms of sad, Well, it's just a bloody sad
situation for all involved, isn't it. Twenty seven after five
News Talk said b We'll talk to Tim Horn after News.

Speaker 1 (48:17):
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Speaker 3 (48:38):
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News Talks, Sai'd be great to have your company tonight.
No current Wallaby was alive the last time the Wallabyes
beat the All Blacks at Eden Park. So Fortress continues
and it's a daytime game tomorrow. Let's go to former
Wallaby Tim Horn who's with me? A horrn for of me? Tim?

Speaker 7 (49:00):
Good evening, Yeah, good afternoon, good evening, Yeah, great to
It's always pretty exciting, isn't But it's like Cup week
and we always talk about it with the Stansport commentary
team about it's the hope that kills us with the
Wallabies and because every time we go to New Zealand
we always think we're a chance. Everyone says this is
the best chance we've ever had in the last.

Speaker 2 (49:21):
Three or four years.

Speaker 7 (49:22):
But we know and respect the All Blacks and how
strong they are. So but it's going to be exciting
match considering how the Wallabies are tracking at the moment.

Speaker 3 (49:30):
Yeah, and you I was listening to an interview you
did a couple of months ago where you said that
this is what the Wallabies fans need. Is not necessarily
the bleeders like Cup, but just you know, our win
here would be great.

Speaker 11 (49:42):
Yeah.

Speaker 7 (49:43):
I think it's just just to be competitive, really, and
I think we saw that against the British and Irish
Lions the three Test match series. I think probably the
first twenty minutes in the first Test is where the
Wallabies lost.

Speaker 2 (49:53):
That Test series.

Speaker 7 (49:55):
But then you go and play the spring box in Johannesburg,
a first win in jo Bannersburg.

Speaker 2 (50:00):
For sixty two years.

Speaker 7 (50:02):
And then I think just the competition of the Rugby
Championships so strong at the moment. I think a lot
of Wallaby fans they're really excited with the brand of
rugby and the style of rugby that Joe Smith has
been putting in place for this Wallaby team, and they
seem to have so much trust and belief around this
side at the moment.

Speaker 2 (50:21):
But that's one thing.

Speaker 7 (50:21):
That's another thing to go to Eden Park and compete
and compete so that fans in Australia and around the
world can go, Okay, well, we are very proud of
this Wallaby team. But I think for the Wallaby players
they need a win in Aubland or they need a
win in Perth.

Speaker 2 (50:39):
You need to win one of these matches.

Speaker 7 (50:40):
Sure, all Wallaby fans would like to see two wins
to get the Buttersloid Cup back. But I think for
you know, for fans to take the Wallaby seriously, they
have to beat the All Blacks occasionally.

Speaker 3 (50:51):
And the fans are they that we saw the ninety
thousand at the MCG for the Lions too, which isn't
a fantasmic. We know you've got the NFL, we know
you've got the AFL, that you're competing with the fans
along for the journey, even though it has been let's
say a rocky a few years.

Speaker 2 (51:06):
Yeah, I think that.

Speaker 14 (51:07):
You know.

Speaker 7 (51:07):
You look two years ago Rugby World Cup, Eddie Jones
was coaching the Wallabies.

Speaker 2 (51:10):
It was a bit of a debarcle.

Speaker 7 (51:12):
We didn't make the quarterfinal of the Rugby World Cup
first time ever. I think that's shocked a lot of
not just you know, rusted on Wallaby fans, but just
sporting fans. And so two years ago that was tough.
And then you get to a stage now where and
probably the litmus test for Wallaby fans is on a
Sunday morning where you wake up after a Test match

(51:33):
of the Wallabies have won, and how many people are walking
around in a Wallaby jersey, going to get a coffee,
walking along the Brucebane River.

Speaker 2 (51:40):
With a Wallaby cap on or a scarf on.

Speaker 7 (51:42):
So that's probably the test for Wallaby fans is how
much they support this team and they do come out
when the Wallaby start playing some good footing also winning.

Speaker 3 (51:51):
Tim you've got a prediction for Saturday afternoon.

Speaker 7 (51:55):
I'd like to say the Wallabies by one, that's all
we need. But there's certainly going to be a tough
game the wallaby especially what happened two weeks ago with
the All Blacks, you know as a record beating by
the spring Box so Ardie Severe and the All Blacks.
And I'm sure we would have regrouped after that. But
I think Harry Wilson what he's done with his Wallaby team,
it's outsetting.

Speaker 2 (52:14):
They believe in them themselves.

Speaker 7 (52:16):
So I will say the Wallabies boy won, but it's
going to be such a hard test match for the
Wallabyes to win.

Speaker 3 (52:21):
Looking forward to Tim, Thanks very much for your time.
Tim Horean, former Wallaby with us. It is twenty one
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He votes it in't a touch and a thoroughly embarrassing
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Speaker 3 (53:07):
The sport Huddle tonight, Ross, Carl Hostess Sky's out of
rugby pod and Darcy is in the studio. Good evening lads,
Nam Curda. Good to have you both, Ross. So what
do you reckon's going to happen tomorrow afternoon? I mean,
it's fascinating that no, none of the current lot there.
We're even alive the last time the Wallaby's won at
Eden Park. But that doesn't necessarily mean it won't happen tomorrow.

Speaker 6 (53:29):
No.

Speaker 19 (53:30):
Look, I mean there's always a chance that the Wallabies
could get up, but without two of their keyboard runners,
without Will Skelton, who's massive for them up front, with
Rob Valentino, who's one of the best forwards in zuper rugby.
Those guys are so important to getting them over the
game line. And without those guys smashing over the game line,
I just don't see how they beat the All Blacks.

(53:52):
I just don't see it happening, especially an All Blacks
team with the kind of motivation and All Backs coach
with the kind of motivation they've got. Right now, when
I've been to the games where the All Blacks have
been smoked. I'm thinking Ireland in twenty sixteen, and then
when the All Blacks turn up to Ireland the way
that they went out with the ferocity and smoked Island

(54:13):
and Island after that, I just can't see Australia being
able to handle that.

Speaker 15 (54:18):
Can they be overstimulated ross the pressure? That's right. I
want to prove too match and go too hard and
suddenly on no, it's happening again.

Speaker 19 (54:29):
Yeah, there is something to that. I think the key
for them is making sure that they nail that first
half really well because in general when they beat the Wallabies.

Speaker 6 (54:40):
There up at halftime.

Speaker 19 (54:42):
But if you look through the Rugby Championship and you
look at when the points have been scored, the Wallabies
have scored nine tries in the last twenty minutes of
games and the All Blacks have scored bugger all. You
just don't do well in the second half at all.
They do well in the first half. So that's why
having Patrick tw Plotty backs so important. That's why having

(55:02):
a player like Cody Taylor come back so Samasony Takyah
can come on in the.

Speaker 6 (55:07):
Second half is so important.

Speaker 19 (55:08):
The All Blacks bench has not been effective, and now
they've got two of their key bench weapons coming off
the bench again and to some degree hopefully that combined
with camroy Guard being back in the way that his
sniping can bring defenders in and allow more room out
wide or if they go wide, he just goes through
the middle himself. I think those things will make a

(55:30):
massive difference in Black I just don't see them losing.

Speaker 3 (55:33):
And with Sam Vera's captain of course, Hey what about Taosi.
Joe Schmidt said that.

Speaker 15 (55:38):
The giving a crack it's got mad.

Speaker 3 (55:40):
Well, this is what everybody. Look, this is what everyone
tells me. Okay, they say it's time to get rid
of him. Joe Schmidt has said that Blitterzoe Cup means
more than the Rugby Championship to that to the All Blacks.
Do you think he's right.

Speaker 15 (55:55):
I'm not sure what means what to the All Blacks,
and they just want victory more than anything else. The
All Blacks World Cup is right at the very top.
Championship's important led us Low Cup. Should they lose it,
maybe ross they'd want to they'd want it back again.
We've had it for so long. It's there. I think
it's the only thing they've got left in the trophy cannet,
isn't this.

Speaker 19 (56:16):
Yeah close on a couple of minor trophies here and there,
but yeah, they wouldn't want to let go of that.
But I don't think that that's important this week. I
don't think the trophies really on their mind. Really, it's
about pride. Really, it's about being embarrassed and stepping back
from what was an atrocious performance in Wellington through the
second half. The way their scrum was emasculated, the way

(56:37):
that the spring Box just ran right through them, it
was just it was savage and to me, never mind
the cup. They are out there to save faith.

Speaker 15 (56:47):
It'd be nice if they compete it. It's supposed to
just stand there and watch that they ever go run
through them and pass it right.

Speaker 3 (56:53):
You're right about the shame thing, though they should have
gone on their elephant in the Room podcast with Torri
and Goalers they probably felt the last two weeks our
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Speaker 3 (57:15):
Ross Carl and Darcy Waldergrave on the sports huddle tonight.
The Silver Ferns got the tiny Jemison Trophy, which is great.
Unfortunately it wasn't with Dame Knowles a bit of fighting spirit.
Do you reckon in the midst of all that controversy, Darcy.

Speaker 15 (57:28):
I had to focus it on something they had nothing else.
It's been chaos the last few months. I'd say, not
only the Dame no Leane situation, but the fact that
a lot of these players can now play overseas and
come back and represent Aka. Grace Wikim. He saw how
important she was and he's opening two matches. They've had
trouble at Mill right from the get go, so I

(57:49):
think for their state of mind about to just get
rid of all of that and just compete on the court,
it's more of a relief than anything else. And you
can see that. You can feel that energy as they
played a lot of swopping and captaincy and the like
as well. But Evette mccaus and Jerry Ross has done
an incredible job to come in and do what she's

(58:10):
done with this team.

Speaker 19 (58:12):
She is an impressive person, isn't she. I Mean she
stepped away from running a school a brand new school
that she's just set up a really impressive feed at
Saint Stephen's to take that school that had stopped and
start tipping there, which is, you know, amazing. But to
step away from running a school to take an international
netball team to victory in the course of a week

(58:33):
or two is you know, that's old school stuff, isn't it.
But I did see that Briany Ackle, the Aussie coach,
was saying that Nolane wants back, you know, and I
really wonder have we gone too far?

Speaker 22 (58:46):
You know?

Speaker 6 (58:47):
Can you can you go back from.

Speaker 3 (58:50):
Nothing to do with us, but back from what because
we don't really know do we the detail on exactly
what happened and what went down? So back from what.

Speaker 15 (59:00):
What happens in a vacuum?

Speaker 19 (59:01):
Ryan, Yeah, when your players and your coaches aren't getting
along and that appears to be the thing, that's that's
you know, how many.

Speaker 15 (59:09):
Of them a ross that was just a couple of
bad eggs?

Speaker 6 (59:11):
Was it?

Speaker 15 (59:12):
The seven as they say? Wasn't that much of a problem?
That's been so the lack of transparency has been awful
from New Zealand Nipples. When a vacuum, you fill it
up with whatever you want, and that's what the media does.

Speaker 19 (59:23):
Right one hundred to said, But boy, I mean that
is some drastic action if it was only a small thing, exactly.

Speaker 6 (59:33):
You just youve got to move forward.

Speaker 19 (59:35):
You can't move back. Surely they've got to find a
new coach and carry on board.

Speaker 15 (59:42):
Pretty full on coaching woman, and she won't take this
lying down. I like the fact she could come back
and yes to go all right, here we go again.

Speaker 19 (59:51):
Look, I'm with you having met her. She's so impressive
and she has so much respect from so many players.
When push comes to sharp relationships of what you've and
even if you're an amazing coach, even if you can
drive a team hard and win world championships, you know,
if the relationships are fractured and friends have friends and
people talk and all those things happen, at some point,

(01:00:14):
you've got to cut ties and start a fro.

Speaker 3 (01:00:16):
Hey, the Black Ferns. So they're playing for third at
the Rugby World Cup. More third and fourth? And are
we still interested now that we're not in the final, Dussy,
This is the.

Speaker 15 (01:00:24):
Game that nobody wants to play. Really, the disappointment of
losing in a semi final. You get the titles gone
and you've got to stick around Mother England for another
week and play a game of rugby for what bronze
medal for.

Speaker 3 (01:00:38):
The love of the game?

Speaker 15 (01:00:39):
Ah right, that's right, the love of the game. There'll
be a bit of naval gazing out with the site
if anything, though, Ross George Miller is going to come
back and have a bit of a bit of a
whirl which she was sorely missed last week. So it
is a positive there. But it's real. It's a real leapdown,
isn't it. It's like you let the air out of
the balloe and it goes around the room. That's third

(01:01:00):
v four.

Speaker 19 (01:01:02):
Yeah, I think there's plenty to play for here though.
You know they don't have an impressive record against France.
There's lost five of the last seven against France. They
won the last one by twenty five points or something,
but they this game is no given For the Black
Ferns to beat France, they have to be absolutely at
their best. If you think the World Cup in New Zealand,
France should have beaten them in that semi final. They

(01:01:22):
shouldn't have even made the final. There was a mystick
from in front that changed it put New Zealand in
the chance to win. So this game here is by
no means a certainty for the Black Ferns to win.
So for that reason alone, I think they'll be dialed
in because they have to be. They've got to take
something horm out of this. And after last week and

(01:01:43):
you know, the inconsistencies at the breakdown, the ref was
an absolute shocker.

Speaker 6 (01:01:48):
I don't do.

Speaker 15 (01:01:49):
It, Ross, do not blame that. No, don't blame the refs.
You can't do it.

Speaker 6 (01:01:52):
Don't blame the ref.

Speaker 19 (01:01:53):
I'm going to I'm not going to blame the ref completely.
But under the Black Fands have played eleven games under
that ref and lost five of them. So they headed
into that game.

Speaker 6 (01:02:03):
Knowing that they struggle with this ref.

Speaker 19 (01:02:04):
They should have dialed in on I've said diald in
a lot, haven't they.

Speaker 6 (01:02:07):
They should have really honed in on what it is that.

Speaker 19 (01:02:10):
They struggle under this ref with and it's always the breakdown.
And yet again they stuffed up the breakdown. And while
they were inconsistent, and while their discipline was terrible, I've
never seen a rugby game where a team is im
penalized till the sixty first minute of the second half.

Speaker 6 (01:02:22):
It really didn't help them at all.

Speaker 3 (01:02:26):
Let's go. I was going to say, there's enough of this.
This is getting a bit sad playing for third and fourth.
Let's talk about Ben Taylor and Oliver Welch. This is
an amazing result for them, only their first year of
being in a partnership together and won the World champ starts.

Speaker 6 (01:02:39):
See it's madness.

Speaker 15 (01:02:40):
No one saw this coming. I think they only got
together as a unit as one, didn't they Ross at
the start of this year? Oh hi, yeah, man, how
are you? What's your home again?

Speaker 6 (01:02:48):
Ah? Do defense?

Speaker 15 (01:02:50):
Everyone of the whirl on this boat. They beat the
sternest opposition by five seconds and that's no mean feed
over what sex and sex and nearly seven minutes. It's astonishing.
This this is maybe the start of another great era.

Speaker 3 (01:03:04):
Yeah, that's what it feels like.

Speaker 15 (01:03:06):
Yeah, well you think, oh Bond back in the day
with his mate and what they managed to achieve was
how long did they go for unbeaten sixty nine different
races ross?

Speaker 6 (01:03:18):
Yeah, it was a lot.

Speaker 19 (01:03:19):
I think it was six world titles and two gold medals, right,
they were something superblic I don't know enough about going
backwards in a boat to tell you whether these guys
are going to be the next big thing. But you
win world championships at age group level, and then you
step up and you win world championships at the top level.
Cheesy maker Mark really quickly won a World Cup, so
it's pretty clear they've got something there. And without putting

(01:03:41):
you know who won them, looks they've got a big future.

Speaker 3 (01:03:45):
I mean, you look at this, so you look at rowing.
I mean, look at us at the athletics. Dr s
we just forget about rugby for now, can't we.

Speaker 15 (01:03:52):
I think the focus on alternate sports in all seriousness
it is growing. And when you look at what's happened
in world athletics, this is a sport where y'are short
of getting in the wrong place with a javelin throw
at the shop, but you're not going to get badly damaged.
I think a lot of kids are now looking at
this and parents are looking at this, going, hey, you
can actually travel globally, we can win world championships. We've

(01:04:13):
got proof right there. I'll be surprised that this really
surges in the next decade as far as competition and
participation goes as well. But yeah, coming close to Bond
and Murray for those two guys. Good luck. They absolute freaks,
those two. But hey, never say never. And I don't
know a lot about going backwards in a boat. But
what I do know is they had one or each right,

(01:04:36):
that's what happens in that, and you go the other one.
They have two wars each doubles pairs.

Speaker 3 (01:04:42):
Got it?

Speaker 15 (01:04:42):
Do you even care?

Speaker 3 (01:04:44):
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It is seven after six, great to have your company.
Will wrap the political week shortly check in with Showbiz.
We'll go to Asia with our business correspondent Peter Lewis
and we'll do the Starma drama with Gavin Gray out
of the UK. All ahead, Bryan Bridge Next week government's
response to the Frontier report coming out This is on
the energy sector. A new poll today showing most of

(01:06:53):
us want the government to step in. Sixty two percent
back a push to underwrite new electricity generation. Almost half
half were back the four Big Gen. Taylor's been split up.
Simon Bridges is Open Business Chamber of CEO and former
Energy minister with me tonight, Hey.

Speaker 23 (01:07:08):
Simon, Hey, evening, Ryan.

Speaker 3 (01:07:10):
What are you hearing? What are your reckons going to be?

Speaker 20 (01:07:12):
Well?

Speaker 3 (01:07:13):
Do you know what's in this report?

Speaker 23 (01:07:15):
No? No, I don't. I mean what the ministers said
is mister Simon Watts, Minister of Energy, is it's going
to be significant and surgical. I like the significant. It
has to be significant. Actually, I mean we put out
an action plan, the Chamber of Commerce and a few
others ten points there, and you kind of got to
do most of it to get real change. But what
he's also said, as I say, is surgical that I'm

(01:07:37):
not so excited about. That says to me, actually we
may not see quite enough. I mean, some of the
big things you should should be seeing is the underwriting
by government a backup energy supply. As you've said polling,
we put out today by Curia. That's David Farrell's lot.
Sixty two percent agree with that of New Zealanders. And

(01:07:58):
then the separation of generation and re tell you know
these gent tailors, which is about ninety odd percent of
the market. We really need to see that as well
for this to be, for this to be bold reform,
which I think is what New Zealand is on our polling,
on the mood of the boardroom, I mean, move the
boardroom is just focused on that. Thirty nine percent of

(01:08:18):
business leaders at the corporate end of town want separation
as well. I mean, this is a pathologically conservative crowd, right,
but we've got a real problem. We need bold action.
I'm worried by his talk about surgical that gets warming
us up for not that much.

Speaker 3 (01:08:32):
And well, I think he's by that he means we're
not going to split the gent tailors up. Would underwriting
be a good middle ground? Would that be bold enough?

Speaker 20 (01:08:40):
Oh?

Speaker 3 (01:08:41):
It would be good.

Speaker 23 (01:08:42):
I mean, I think you know, our approach next week,
if it's next week when it comes out, is going
to be to celebrate what they have done, because I'm
sure it'll be pretty good, you know, I mean, I'm
sure the things they do as far as they go,
will be good. But I think you know we're with
mad to with Shane actually a level that that there's
not going to be.

Speaker 20 (01:08:58):
Quite enough there.

Speaker 23 (01:08:59):
And the reason I go on about that the gentailor
split up is, look, we've been told to trust the
markets for a long time now, but the problem is
the markets have kind of created this and in the end,
the gent tailors they only build when prices are really high,
when the demand for increased generations already there. As Shane
says himself, you know, look, their profits depend on constantly

(01:09:20):
shortening the market, and we're just not going to get
the much more supply that's going to mean much cheaper
prices that we need unless we want to continue seeing
de industrialization, businesses shutting households and strife.

Speaker 3 (01:09:34):
So we should never a John k should never have
sold them.

Speaker 23 (01:09:37):
Well, look, you can make all sorts of argurds. I
suppose in the end on that it was a different
planet sort of fifteen years ago. The energy market and
what was going on was so different technologically in terms
of energy, in terms of the demand, you know, in
terms of data and AI and what's required today here.
So we are where we are and we need reform.

Speaker 3 (01:10:00):
What you're saying is true because there's a bigger argument
going on here, isn't there between left and right about
the state owned assets? And what you've said is that
their profit drive undercuts, undermines the energy sector, which we
all rely on and have no choice but to rely on. So,
you know, does this not have implications wider implications beyond energy.

Speaker 23 (01:10:22):
But let's remember because in the air, look, I mean,
you know me, you know my political background. I am
a market s guy, right, so you know I would
like to see all things being equal, markets working as
they are in the end, though, it's government rules and
regulation and law that means that we have gen Taylor's
that is these big guys who sit there and they

(01:10:43):
control both the generation and the retail, and that's not
good competition, that's not good incentives. You know, my viewers
actually separate them along with a few other things, and
you have a much better marketplace. I don't go along
with Shane Jones, by the way, on his kind of
nationalization talk.

Speaker 3 (01:11:01):
I'm a much.

Speaker 23 (01:11:02):
Less clear on that, but but he is picking up
and tapping into that thick vein of sentiment that the
polling we've done shows that people want something bold.

Speaker 3 (01:11:12):
Yeah. Absolutely, I'll be interesting to see what they do
next week. Sim appreciate your time. Simon Bridges Aukland Business
Chamber of CEO, former Energy Minister with us Tonight eleven
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in with Politics and wrap the week with Azaria hell
Is in Wellington. Azari, welcome back, Thanks so much, good
to be with you. Let's start with the mood of
the boardroom. Wasn't great? Well, it was good for some,
MP's not so great for others.

Speaker 12 (01:11:45):
A big talking point this week the mood of the boardroom.
It's not a pretty picture for some, but that's, i
mean always how it goes with these ranking survey sort
of things. So the Herald's mood of the boardroom survey
has been the big story this week. A survey of
one hundred and fifty chief executives has ranked Prime Minister
Chris Luxon fifteenth out of twenty eight ministers on performance

(01:12:07):
that puts him in the bottom half of the table.
The best performer though Erica Stanford, the Minister of Education,
She was first place with a four point three eight
out of five. Some of the other top performing ministers
other than Erica Stanford's second place silver medal goes to
Winston Peters third place Chris Bishop, the infrastructure minister. Nikola Willis,

(01:12:28):
though the finance minister, thirteenth out of twenty eight. She
got a score of three point zero nine out of five.
So both Luxeon and Willis did not make it in
the top ten. Coming from a business audience, that would
have hurt, but they did shrug off the criticism. Luxon
said that we're going through a very difficult recovery. He
says there'll be a range of opinions across the society

(01:12:49):
really about that, also pointing to what he's calling a
two speed recovery, saying that the rural sector is feeling
quite confident, we're not really seeing as much of that
economic confidence yet in those main centers. Nikola Willis also
told the business audience she respects the one hundred and
fifty people in the room deeply, but says they're not
broadly representative of the five million people they serve, and

(01:13:11):
Erica Stanford, despite coming in first place, doesn't seemingly want
to have that conversation about leadership. She has been saying
she's keen to have the role as Minister of Education
for the next decade yep, that is ten years. So
both of those ministers though as well saying that Luxon
is the right person for the job, saying that people
don't see a lot of the behind the scenes rather

(01:13:33):
sort of team management aspects of it. Business leaders who
did fill out the survey, though, agreed on one thing,
and that is that New Zealand is at an inflection
point desperately needing clearer leadership and direction. Those are the
words from the mood of.

Speaker 3 (01:13:46):
The boardroom, Zaria Anna Breman. We got the announcement this
week from Nichola Willis on the new Reserve Bank boss.
What's the feeling like in Wellington about I mean, from
my perspective, I was quite pleased that she actually ironically
didn't do interviews because it means she doesn't love the
media like the last guy I did.

Speaker 12 (01:14:03):
Well, the thing that she really came out differently, I
mean she was showing her credentials and she's got a
good list to go off. A doctorate in economics leadership
at the highest level. She was the Deputy governor of
Sweden's Central Bank for years and years and years since
twenty nineteen, so she led that through COVID and through
all the ongoing global situations as we can call them,

(01:14:25):
that have been happening. So yeah, she starts at the
Reserve Bank on the first of December. She's on for
a five year term and I was at the press
conference earlier this week where she was announced. One of
the big promises from that the idea of transparency the
Reserve Bank governor promising that the RBNZ should and will
remain a source of strength and stability for the economy.

(01:14:45):
That is a big one because there were so many
there was so much criticism on how the Reserve Bank
handled Adrian Or's resignation in terms of the details that
did give the details that kind of slipped through, some
details that came in through Treasury and other sort of
things with that. So doctor Breman is promising the Reserve
Bank will be transparent. She's promising to make herself available

(01:15:07):
meet with people, and has also said there's more work
to be done, so it is goodbye to Adrian Orr
and Christian Hawksby and in with the new from Sweden.
It also makes her the first woman to be appointed
governor of New Zealand's Central Bank. The Finance Minister Nikola
Willis spoke a little bit about that, saying really she
is the best person for the job. It's not because

(01:15:27):
she's a woman or anything, but also saying she's glad
that her daughters will be raised in a time where
they can see that the Reserve Bank governor can be
a man or a woman. So she starts on the
first of December.

Speaker 3 (01:15:39):
All right, very good, and they agreed to disagree clauses
being pulled again this week.

Speaker 12 (01:15:44):
Yes, so, I mean it really does seem like an
immigration announcement earlier in the week was overshadowed by this topic.
New Zealand first invoked the agree to disagree clause on
some changes that would really help speed up migrant visas
for certain people, so that clause was used to show
that while it was a government decision, it was a policy.
There not all of the coalition parties have the same

(01:16:07):
view on the matter. And I mean, immigration is such
a huge deal for New Zealand. First, it has been
for decades and we're expecting the party to discuss things
like this during the campaign in terms of immigration policy,
and it really does set them apart from some of
the other coalition partners. And just on this one, the
government ministers expect this to apply to about ten thousand people.

(01:16:29):
So it is worth noting and pointing out here that
they do not agree with New Zealand First on the
matter in terms of the Immigration Minister Erica Stanford and
the Finance Minister Nikola Willis. But a clear disagreement there.

Speaker 3 (01:16:42):
All right, Zaria, good stuff, Thank you, Zaria. How our
news talks a big senior political reporter. It is nineteen
minutes after six. Michael texton during that interview to say, Ryan,
does your reporter aware that this is very old news?
What is she employee to do? Michael? It's the week
that was so some of some of what you heard
was from Tuesdays, some of it might have been from Wednesday.

(01:17:04):
It's throughout the whole week. This is interesting. It's just
come in from Auckland University of Auckland, so you'll remember
they had the quite controversial compulsory courses on today on
TL Mardi which is like the Mardi World, and it
would teach you all about that, and it was compulsory
for all first year students, so you had international students

(01:17:26):
coming in to study who had to do this, and
then who were leaving who didn't. It was not relevant
to them. It was sort of They were sort of
upset about it, and there was a lot of controversy
with David Seymour said it was indoctrination anyway. The Chancellor
Dawn Freshwater, she's had a change of heart and they
are now recommending that the courses become optional like every

(01:17:47):
other course at UNI. Basically twenty one minutes after six
news talks, he'd.

Speaker 2 (01:17:50):
Be croaching the numbers and getting the results.

Speaker 1 (01:17:53):
It's Ryan Bridge with the Business Hour and mass for insurance.

Speaker 2 (01:17:58):
Investments and Killie Saber. You're in good hands news talk.

Speaker 3 (01:18:01):
Sa'd be evening, Ryan says Gary. Have you noticed that
in most cases the person speaking at the UN this
week is the country's leader, president or prime minister. Why
isn't our prime minister speaking instead of the foreign minister?
Luction should be there, Gary, thank you for that. It
is it's called leader's wig. So but you don't have
to go and leaders don't always go my I was

(01:18:23):
thinking about this this morning, actually, Garry, so I'm glad
you've mentioned it. But if he, let's say he had gone,
so we had that GDP number and we knew it
was going to be a shocker, and Luxeon doesn't have
the best reputation in the country, but he does have
a good one outside of it. If were he to
mister not be here for the mood of the boardroom

(01:18:43):
where they're all socking it to him, not be here
for the GDP number and take the bad news even
you know, as much as you take the good and
then bugger off to New York, or not even be
here during those announcements, I don't know. I think they
would have been weighing that up. But probably more important,
Winston will have wanted the moment. It's probably the most
important part of that equation. Which does that tell you

(01:19:06):
a lot about leaders week in New York. Let's go
to some show bears, Show Bears Titanic. Do you think
you would be interested in watching Titanic if the actor
was a guy called Lenny Williams. That was the world

(01:19:30):
that we were close to living, and everybody Leonardo DiCaprio
appeared on Travis Kelsi's podcast today, g is they get
all the guests on the Travis Kelsey podcast, don't they
alongside Al Pacino? To stop it? He revealed that when
he was starting out as a teen actor, this is Leonardo,
his agent tried to change his name.

Speaker 2 (01:19:48):
I finally got an agent. They said your name is
too ethnic. I go, what do you mean, It's Leonoro Dicapra.
They go, no to ethnic, They're never.

Speaker 3 (01:19:54):
Going to hire.

Speaker 1 (01:19:55):
Your new name is Lenny Williams.

Speaker 6 (01:20:00):
What is Lenny twelve?

Speaker 2 (01:20:02):
I said, where's Lenny Williams?

Speaker 15 (01:20:03):
So we took your middle name and we made it
your Now you're Lenny.

Speaker 1 (01:20:07):
And my dad saw his photo, ripped it up and
he said, over my dead Boke.

Speaker 3 (01:20:13):
Dicafro is promoting his new movie One Battle after Another.
At the moment, it's an American political thriller. You might
have seen the short thread of the movies. This is
where Leo plays a left wing revolutionary tasked with breaking
migrants out of American detention centers. Jeez, that's a bit
too close to home with what's happened this week, isn't it? Anyway? Apparently,
before you roll your eyes all the way into the

(01:20:34):
back of your head. It is apparently very good. It's
in cinemas from today for those who are interested. Leonardo
DiCaprio is such an iconic name, isn't it. I mean,
I know that he has made that name iconic, but
just the way it sounds, and that probably more so
the way it looks, you know, when you see it
on the on the movie screen twenty six minutes after six,
So you might have caught yesterday the Australian consumer price

(01:20:57):
that next CPI thiss is in fation up three percent
in all that surpassed expectations of two point nine and
that means that across the Tasman their rate cutting cycle
is on pause until probably well into next year. They
were expecting I think they've got a meeting in about
four days time. They were expecting another one then, but
they won't, according to the markets, at least get one

(01:21:18):
until next year. We are by the way, expecting two
or three by Christmas. We should get down to two
point twenty five by the end of the year, depending
on how big they go. Hawksby goes on his way
out his swang song, we will see We'll leave you
with some Titanic go to Asia next.

Speaker 1 (01:21:51):
Whether it's Macro micro or just playing economics. It's all
on the Business Hour with Ryan Bridge and Mass for
Insurance Investments and Kiy Saber You're in good hands, News
Talksvaavy and run.

Speaker 6 (01:22:10):
Just you me and.

Speaker 3 (01:22:12):
Run pretty five away from seven You're on News Talks.
Heb over. In the UK, there's a petition. This is
fascinating how quickly this is escalated. But basically Keir Starmer
has come out and said he's going to introduce a
digital ID for all British adults and you will have
to download or have this digital ID. There's no choice

(01:22:35):
in the matter. It's a it's not an option. And
already they've had five hundred thousand signatures from people coming
out and saying, nah, don't want it, get rid of it.
More than twelve hundred people have signed the petition in
Nigel Farage's seat of Clacton, the Prime Minister facing a
local fight with three hundred and fifty residents in his

(01:22:58):
own home seat. The largest number of signatures so far,
according to gb News, have come from labor held seats
and this is the worry for Starmer. Anything he does
now is under the microscope right because his popularity was
never great. It was to get rid of the Conservatives
and then they're stuck with this sort of weirdo. But

(01:23:19):
the problem for him now is Nigel Farage and his
Reform and it's in those labor seats, and they've got
crucial elections next year, which are local elections. But you've
got Reform winning these elections and potentially going to win
more next year. You've got them ahead of both major
parties and polls, and so every time he does a
policy now, when you see things like labor strongholds are

(01:23:45):
signing a petition against something he's introducing, that's a bad
sign for him. Well it's a bad sign for labor.
Twenty four Away from seven Rich Peter Lewis is our
Asia business correspondent Peter Good Evening, Good Evening Ryan. That
TikTok deal being received in China.

Speaker 24 (01:24:03):
Well, interestingly, China is saying very very little about it,
which makes you wonder, has this really been agreed. We
know that Donald Trump has this habit of announcing deals
and saying that you know, they've all been signed off
when both parties haven't agreed, and there's a lot of
details still left to negotiates, or China is saying so

(01:24:26):
far about this deal, and I'll read you their statement.
They say, the Chinese government respects the wishes of the
enterprise i Bite Dance, and welcomes it to carry out
commercial negotiations in accordance with market rules that reaches a
solution compliant with China's laws and regulations. Now that's a
far cry from what Donald Trump is saying, which is

(01:24:49):
that the deal is all signed off, China is on board,
Beijing's being much more guarded than Washington. It was also
noticeable that yesterday when he signed the executive order, no
representatives from byte Dance were present at the signing. In fact,
Byte Dance hasn't even acknowledged that a transaction is taking place.

(01:25:09):
So far, there is no mention of the purchase price.
There is no indication that China's made changes to the
laws that it would have to do to enable this
deal to go ahead. And in particular, the regulator last
week re emphasized that what China was doing was it
would license the algorithm to this US company that's ultimately

(01:25:32):
going to host the US version of TikTok. Now licensing
the algorithm is very, very different from it being split
out from by Dance and separated out into a company
because the algorithm is obviously the secret source behind TikTok.
That's what decides what videos are recommended to people. And

(01:25:54):
the concern has always been that this could be abused,
that the algorithm could be used for propaganda purposes and
influencing elections and so on. Now, if China is only
licensing this algorithm, can you really say that it's been
sold and it's been put into an American company because

(01:26:15):
China will still control and own the algorithm. So there
are things clearly missing so far from this deal. I
wonder if it will if US Congress had this in
mind when they signed the law forcing TikTok to be
divested from Byte Dance, had in mind the licensing agreements,

(01:26:36):
because it seems that doesn't really pass muster in terms
of what Congress intended.

Speaker 3 (01:26:42):
No, certainly that was the main it's it's the reason
that this thought came to the fore, right, So fascinating
to know that a little bit of detail China hitting
for a record one point two trillion dollar trade surplus, Peter, and.

Speaker 6 (01:26:57):
That's incredible, isn't it.

Speaker 24 (01:26:58):
So that's the biggest trade surplus that any country has
had with the rest of the world on record. I mean, basically,
China has got a trade surplus with nearly every single
country in the world. And all of this is coming
despite these months of sky high US tariffs. It hasn't

(01:27:19):
stopped China's export engine from really powering ahead. So it
begs the question, how is this happening? What's going on here? Well,
what it appears is that with access to the US
markets being curtailed, Chinese manufacturers have been very adept at
switching their attention elsewhere. So, for example, with India, the

(01:27:41):
trade the trade surplus there, Purchases from India are to
India by Indians, and all time high shipments to Africa
look like they're going to be an annual records. Southeast
Asia they're now above what they were before the pandemic.
Shipments to the Middle East all time highs.

Speaker 11 (01:28:00):
So what it.

Speaker 24 (01:28:01):
Appears is that there's this reordering of global trade as
certainly as far as China is concerned anyway, and it's
sort of creating a new global trading system that doesn't
include the US. Now you can argue that actually it's
the US itself that's cut itself out from this new
reordering of trade, and countries like China had no choice

(01:28:24):
but to look for new markets. But it is being
very successful in doing this. Now, this is going to
raise concerns because, of course, there are countries that are
going to be very fearful about what happens to their
own domestic industries if China is exporting to them in
vast amounts, you know, cars, evs, auto parts, steel and

(01:28:46):
so on, and we're already seeing, you know, some problems.
Indian authorities, for example, have received over fifty applications now
for investigations into goods dumped from China. Mexico has already
hit pack publicly. It's flow voting tariffs now of fifty
percent on Chinese products. So you would think that this
is going to cause some problems because these countries don't

(01:29:08):
want to see their domestic industry is being devastated by
this flood of Chinese exports. China says it's not dumping.
It says, you know, it's doing this all fairly and
it's just creating demand for high quality products. But not
everyone is convinced by that.

Speaker 3 (01:29:25):
We have similar problems here I watched a little bit
of shih ing ping of the you in this week
in taking a swipe at Donald Trump when it comes
to climate change. But there the largest messa in the world.

Speaker 24 (01:29:35):
Buy a long shot, absolutely, And there has been some
criticism of China's new carbon reduction plan there. What they're
saying is they're going to aim for about a seven
to ten percent cut in emissions by twenty thirty five
from its peak. Now people were hoping that we were

(01:29:57):
going to see maybe double that to around fifteen percent
cut in emissions. Otherwise, there's really no hope of the
global temperature rise being restricted to one and a half
degrees centigrade above what they were in the pre industrial period.
But nevertheless, there is a signal here, and the signal

(01:30:18):
is that China, first of all, is certainly prepared to
do something. It is making efforts to try and get
its emissions down. It's making huge strides in green energy.
I mean, it is the world's leader now in green energy.
I mean, look at if you go to Beijing these days,
and I believe you used to live in Beijing, you'll
remember the smog and the pollution that was there. Well,

(01:30:42):
that is all gone because everyone is driving electric vehicles
these days. These cities are becoming very high tech, very
green en environmentally friendly sort of cities. And you compare
that with the US, where basically Donald Trump is saying
changes a con job, and those countries that use renewable

(01:31:05):
energy are are destroying themselves. So a very big contrast
between the approach that she Jinpig is taking and I
think he was trying to highlight here to what Donald
Trump is doing.

Speaker 3 (01:31:16):
Peter always fascinating chalks you thinks so much. Peter Lewis
O Asia Business correspondent. It's sixteen away from seven. We're
head to Gavin Gray next. We won't just talk UK
news though, I'm also going to ask about the drones,
because how just think about this for a second. You've
had now so two airports closed overnight. We had three closed.
This is in both Denmark and Norway on Wednesday and Thursday,

(01:31:39):
so that is two countries, five different incursions of mystery drones.
This is an airport. By the way, people have seen
the drones. How can no one know where they're from
or any clue about what they You know, I know
that model that make I know where those are made.
They must be Russian. Now apparently the same they're not Russian.

(01:32:02):
I'm just fascinated by this and because the disruption causes
on one of these days they had to either divert,
delay or cancel fifty flights. That was just one of them.
So we'll get to the bottom of this, hopefully with
Devin Gray.

Speaker 1 (01:32:18):
Next, everything from SMS to the big corporates, the Business
Hour with Ryan Bridge and mes for insurance investments and
you're in good hands News Talks.

Speaker 3 (01:32:30):
It'd be we're turning away from seven News Talks. B
Gevin Gray are UK correspondent Gevin what's up with this
UK wide digital ideas scheme that Starmer wants to introduce.

Speaker 25 (01:32:39):
Yeah, he's due to be announcing this fairly shortly now,
so we're still getting some fairly sketchy ideas about what
he thinks. But he believes such a scheme would help
crack down on illegal working and also kind of modernize
the state in that if you've got a smartphone you
could effectively then get access to things like voting. You'd

(01:33:01):
of course have access if you wanted healthcare as well,
and also anything like banking as well could be on there.
So it's an idea that sort of is a rebirth
of an idea that the Labor government came up with
under Tony Blair, which wanted to introduce ID cards that
was ultimately blocked by the then Conservative and Liberal Democrat coalition.

(01:33:21):
But Secure Starma says he's looking at this predominantly I
think is another way of targeting those working illegally in
this country. And we do estimate there could be up
to seven hundred thousand people in the UK who aren't
on anyone's books, in other words, here living sort of
a shadow life, and it's really an attempt to crack

(01:33:41):
down on that and then say to employ as well,
you must have checked their ID and if you didn't
there's a hefty fine. But we'll get more details about
exactly what he thinks later on.

Speaker 3 (01:33:50):
Fascinating the opposition that's already coming out to it as well.
I saw there was a petition with half a million
signatures already from people saying we don't want.

Speaker 25 (01:33:58):
It, and it's always been very, very contentious here in
the UK. That first of all, of course, you might
not have a smartphone. Many elderly people either don't have
a smartphone or would be worried about accessing it. Then
of course there's a fear about hacking into it. We've
had lots of hacks recently. But then there are just
people who said, no, you know, why should I why
should I be able to prove who I am? Well,

(01:34:21):
I think now there are lots of people are thinking, actually,
do you know what? I think it is the way
forward because you know, illegal migration is a problem. We've
got people dodging, we've got criminals, etc. So I think
that's really what this is about. But it's going to
be an uphill battle for the Prime Minister to get
the support of his own party, let alone the other parties.

Speaker 3 (01:34:40):
Gavin, what be How serious is this idea that Tony
Bleier might hit some sort of temporary administration of the
Gaza strip.

Speaker 25 (01:34:48):
Yeah, when I first read this run I thought this
was some kind of a spoof story, But the White
House has apparently given its backing now to see Tony
Blair head a temporary administration. Now initially that would be
without the direct involvement of the Palestinian authority. This according
to Israeli media reports. And this proposal basically he would

(01:35:10):
lead a body called the Gaza International Transitional authority that
would have this mandate really to be what's called the
supreme political and legal authority for up to five years.
And according to these reports, it's going to be modeled
on administrations that initially oversaw transitions to statehood, like in Kosovo.

(01:35:31):
Of course, the proposal suggests that GITTER that Gaza International
Transitional Authority could at first be based in an Egyptian
provincial capital near the border with Gaza, but eventually enter
the territory. But the idea Tony Blair, former Prime Minister
here of course in the UK, could be head of
the Secretariat with up to twenty five people in chair

(01:35:52):
a seven person board to oversee. This is really left field,
but it's something that the White House at least seemed
quite excited about.

Speaker 3 (01:35:59):
Given eny and where these drones are coming from and
disrupting all the airports.

Speaker 25 (01:36:04):
No, and that is something that Denmark's really worried about.
So over the last couple of days Denmark has been
attacked or by drones, I say attacked. Basically drones have
been flying over airports. It's led to the closure of
airports several airports in Denmark, also Oslo Airport in Norway,

(01:36:25):
and of course there's been lots of activity of Russian
drones and aircraft over other people's airspace, and so the
Danes haven't ruled out Russian involvement here. What's worrying though,
run is at least one of the airports closed in
Denmark and they won't shoot the drones down the drones
down because it's over densely populated areas. But there are

(01:36:46):
a couple of these airports, or at least one of
them are used for military aircraft as well, so they
weren't able to fly and that's why some people suspect
this is Russia testing NATO's capability and testing have wariness
and their readiness for a potential.

Speaker 3 (01:37:03):
Conflictkevin, thank you very much, Kevin Gray, a UK correspondent.
It is eight minutes away, so still a bit of
a mystery. Thea eight minutes away from seven.

Speaker 1 (01:37:13):
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hen that will be back on Monday. I'll be back
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to seeing hearing from you. Then before we go, though,
Libby's got a song for us. Libby, what are we
going out to tonight?

Speaker 22 (01:37:41):
I'm taking us out on some Queen. I've chosen fat
bottomed girls because why not. But I'm playing this because
Brian May has said that they have been back in
the studio as a band. Oh and you might think, oh, well,
who's going to be singing, But of course they've been
touring with Adam Lambert in recent years and he's in
the studio with them and making your music.

Speaker 3 (01:38:01):
That's cool. He's got a fantastic voice with a great range,
does Adam Lambert. Look forward to hearing that music and
look forward to a bit of Queen on your Friday nights.
See you Monday morning, bright and early bright, early bushy tail,
Hei the back Monday, No Queen?

Speaker 20 (01:38:41):
Still where up.

Speaker 2 (01:38:45):
There?

Speaker 6 (01:39:13):
Right?

Speaker 10 (01:39:18):
Ride?

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