Full Show Podcast: 29 September 2025

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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Pressing the newsmakers to get the real story. It's Heather
duplicy Ellen drive with One New Zealand to coverage like
no one else News Talks Evy.

Speaker 2 (00:13):
Afternoon, lovely to be back at You're coming up on
the show today. Building Minister Chris Penk on upending those
earthquake regulations, Chris Hipkins on the government's decision on Palestine,
and boy has Grace and Worker thrown a bomb into
the Dame Noles debate? Will tactic Gordon.

Speaker 3 (00:26):
Kitchens Heather dupericy Ella, Well, what a day to.

Speaker 2 (00:29):
Come back to work. It's a day on which we
finally are fixing one of the most expensive mistakes we've
made in the last decade, which is the earthquake strengthening rules.
Now the government's just announced this afternoon. This is massive,
by the way, massive announced. Those rules are gone. They
are being replaced. If your town is smaller than ten
thousand in population, the rules are gone. Auckland gone. Excluded

(00:50):
from the rules, Northland excluded from the rules, Chatham Islands
excluded from the rules. If your building is under three
stories high, you're excluded. If it's above three stories and
it's concrete, there are rules but the rules will focus
on critical vulnerabilities that could lead to collapse in a nutshell.
Common sense is back. Risk based rules are back now.
I only wish this happened years ago, before countless Wellington

(01:12):
buildings were abandoned because of earthquake risks, before councils up
and down this country wasted tens of millions, if not
hundreds of millions of dollars trying to do up their buildings,
arm aged in proofing them so they would never move
in an earthquake. Do you I mean, if you have
no understanding it, if you haven't rubbed up against these rules,
you might not really appreciate. But I'm going to just
explained to you how ridiculously safe they were, how ridiculously

(01:35):
safe they made buildings when the rules were first promoted,
about a decade ago before they actually came in in
twenty sixteen twenty seventeen, one economist forecast that across the
whole country, for the cost of about ten billion dollars
in upgrades, do you know how many lives we would
end up saving across the period of one hundred years? Right,
We're spending ten billion dollars. It's the entire country we're

(01:58):
going for one hundred years, how many lives do we save? Seven? Seven?
For everything we're going through in Auckland, which by the
way doesn't get earthquakes. The rules still apply, though. How
many lives would we save in four thousand years?

Speaker 4 (02:14):
One?

Speaker 2 (02:15):
One life in four thousand years. That's what these rules
were doing. But for all of those lives right for
the or rather the opposite of that. For the few
lives that we saved, we have buried counsels and debt,
we have shut buildings, we have left apartment owners were
absolutely nowhere to go until now, not a day too soon.

Speaker 3 (02:33):
Either, due for see Allen Be with You.

Speaker 2 (02:37):
Nineteen ninet two text number standard texts fees apply obviously
now the Justice Minister has indicated the government might overrule
court judgments on Teikanger. Paul Goldsmith has given a speech
in which he told lawyers he's worried that New Zealand
is developing our own bespoke legal system and that the
government is prepared to legislate over the top of this.
Chris fin Layson is a lawyer and of course former
Minister for Treating Negotiations. Hi, Chris, how are you well?

(03:01):
Thank you now? What does it sound you like he's
planning to do here? Is he planning to clarify Teakunger
or is he planning to kill off Teakunger in law?

Speaker 3 (03:09):
Oh?

Speaker 5 (03:09):
Well, I don't think in fairness he's trying to kill
off Tea Kanger. I mean there are references to Tea
Kunger in statute. For example, Simon Upton put it in
the Resource Management Act in nineteen ninety one, and everyone
knows that Tea Kung is relevant to Mari customary property rights.
But I think the problem has been that decision of

(03:32):
the Supreme Court and Alice, which had absolutely no Mari
link at all. And you yet the court held that
Teakunger MARII was relevant and deciding that Alice's appeal against
his convictions could carry on despite his death. And so
I think that's really where people have said things have
started to go a bit of miss.

Speaker 2 (03:53):
Do you think that they made the wrong call.

Speaker 5 (03:55):
Then no, well, I not necessarily the wrong call. They
should have left that issue to parliament because many years ago,
did you ever hear of Ian Mackay, a very prominent lawyer.
He wrote a report, surprise surprise, it was called the
Mackaiah Report on defamation, and one of the issues was
whether the representatives of a dead person could commence a

(04:16):
proceeding for a declaration that the dead person had been defeated,
and Parliament, when it passed the defamation legislation in nineteen
ninety two, did.

Speaker 3 (04:25):
Not do that.

Speaker 5 (04:27):
And so basically what you've got with Alice, in my view,
was a bit of judicial legislation and that's what annoys legislators.

Speaker 2 (04:34):
So how would you tidy that up? Af you, Paul Goldsmith?
Would you put limitations on where tea hunger can be used?
How do you deal with this?

Speaker 5 (04:43):
Well, when the Supreme Court decided Elis, the Law Commission
had been doing a substantial piece of work on tea
hunger and they produced a report. It was by Christian Fotter,
who's now a judge of the Court of Appeal, and
it was a very good piece of work. I would
have thought that what the Crown should be doing is

(05:03):
taking a good look at that report and trying to
provide some definition of where and when tea hunger would apply.
So no point just sort of having a group lamentation
about it. Is within the ability of Parliament to knuckle
down and do something a data do you also.

Speaker 2 (05:20):
Chris, then have to define what the problem is that
I've had people on the show and I've said to them, okay,
define Tea kung it to me in any number of circumstances.
How would it work? How would it apply? What is it?
And no one cares? It's a little bit. It's wooly,
isn't it. So how do you actually define it?

Speaker 6 (05:37):
No?

Speaker 5 (05:37):
I would define it as sort of in a sense
mari common law, which applies in particular circumstances and particularly
in relation to customary rights. But I heard a case
about a case the other day where lawyers.

Speaker 7 (05:53):
Of course are inventive, and it was a case in.

Speaker 5 (05:57):
The Employment court and people started to raise a whole
lot of stuff about Tea Kunger. Well, you know, the
Employment Contracts Act doesn't refer to Tea Kunger. It was
a recentably straightforward case. But the issue was being confused
by all this stuff. So maybe it really is within
the realm of Parliament to sit down and do some working.

Speaker 2 (06:16):
Well in this case. The part of the problem here
is the uncertainty, and that I don't know what it means.
Somebody else might have a completely different idea. Do we
need to write down what we understand Tea kung it
to be and then refer to that.

Speaker 5 (06:26):
Well, I think that's what the Law Commission had been
doing in which Parliament hasn't packed up on. So you
should ask Goldsmith about the Law Commission report and what
steps has the Ministry of Justice taken to read the report,
understand it and have necessary implemented.

Speaker 2 (06:41):
Fascinating, Hey, thank you very much. Chris has always really
appreciate your time as Christin Layson lawyer and former Minister
for Treaty of White Pungy negotiations. Hey, really quickly. In Sport,
Graton Wekare has surprised everyone by giving a shout out
to Dame Knowles after the game last night. So it
was during the postmatch presentation and just as the presenter
was wrapping it up, Grace asked if she could take

(07:03):
the microphone.

Speaker 8 (07:04):
Noles, if you're listening, we love you and we miss
you and we want you back here. You've done so
much for this through and the work you've done this
whole year, but you deserve to be here and we
want you back nos, So thank you, thank you to everyone.
Put the pointing us regardless. Thank you.

Speaker 2 (07:21):
Well, I mean it's the players versus Dave Knowles. So
if one of the players is now worth Dame Knowles,
what does that say? Jason Pine will explain next fourteen
past four.

Speaker 1 (07:30):
It's the Heather duper C Allen Drive Full Show podcast
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Speaker 2 (07:37):
Does this mean that the chateau and the a pair
who would pass? It's possible And it's actually a very
good question, and we're going to ask Chris pink that
when he's with us after five o'clock. Right now at
seventeen past.

Speaker 3 (07:46):
Four, Heather duper Cy Ellen.

Speaker 2 (07:50):
Jason Pine Sports Talk Hoosters with us. Hello, Piney, Hi
on Heather, how you going?

Speaker 9 (07:55):
I'm going?

Speaker 2 (07:55):
God, feel like it's been such a long time. I
have to start by I basically ran catching up? Has
it been in the last week? Hey, listen, Phony, what's
going on at the Ryder Cup? I don't understand any
of this?

Speaker 9 (08:06):
Yeah, well, incredible scenes really going to the final day.
There are twelve matches, so twelve players from US against
twelve players from Europe, and you can get a point
or you can halve the match. Now, the overriding part
of this is that Europe was so far ahead, in fact,
so far ahead the historically no side had ever come
from as far back as the US would have to
come in order to win the Ryder Cup. They gave

(08:28):
it a decent crack. They won six of the matches,
Europe won just one. The other five matches were halved. Eventually,
Europe did retain the Ryder Cup, but only by a
small margin. So I think the US can be proud
of the golf, not that proud of their fans, but
Europe do retain the Ryder Cup.

Speaker 2 (08:46):
If that's what I'm talking about. What's going on with
the fans? Why are they throwing beer at people?

Speaker 9 (08:50):
Yeah, it's all got a little bit fair all over there,
hasn't it. I don't know why the Ryder Cup, you know,
more than any other golf tournament, in fact, more than
pretty much every other golf tournament has this little kind
of unusual layer to it. They just seem to the
American fans, you know, just be a bit borish and
a bit, as I say, a bit feral and sort
of yell and throw bear.

Speaker 2 (09:10):
Play a different crowd from the you usual I don't know, PGA.

Speaker 9 (09:14):
Yeah, I think, well it must do otherwise that I
guess the same things would happen at the PGA or
the other part of this is maybe it feels as
though to the American fans anyway, as though this sort
of thing's okay. At the Ryder Cup, clearly the European
players don't think it's okay. Even the American players were
embarrassed and we're telling the crowd to calm down. So
whatever has happened, it just seems to have attracted that
that sort of type of golf fan, not all of them,

(09:36):
but some of them, and it's added a rather I guess,
unfortunate layer to a thing that's normally played under pretty yeah,
good circumstances.

Speaker 2 (09:43):
All the headlines are about this, right, about this bad behavior,
rather than the actual win. Anyway, Listen, what's going on here?
What are you reading into the fact that Gracewakir has
gone out publicly and supported Dame Knowles.

Speaker 9 (09:54):
Well, I'm glad somebody said something, because it's been just
a cone of silence, hasn't it from Netball New Zealand.
We've heard nothing from them still haven't today. We've tried
to tried to organize to have a chat to Jenny Wiley,
the CEO, or Matt Matt Winnode, the chair of the board.
Neither is available to chat to us. I'm just glad
Grace said something interesting choice of words though here there
wasn't it we want you back, we miss you. It's

(10:17):
almost as though Grace wiki is speaking on behalf of
the playing group when we know that there were at
least one or two members of that playing group who
have caused this whole thing to happen in terms of
having Dame Nolen investigated. So yeah, look, I just hope
that sanity prevails and that Grace and the vast majority
of those Silver Firm players get what they want and

(10:39):
what the vast majority of New Zealand netball fans want,
and that's for Dane Nolen to come back.

Speaker 2 (10:43):
Are you are you reading? Because it seems like there's
two possible explanations for what's going on here. Either there
is a split in the players group where you do
have the two to seven, the group of potentially up
to seven who've caused the trouble for Dame Noles, and
there's a split in there now the troublemakers versus the
ones who want to back, or the players actually never
intended for this to happen, and it's been weaponized by
Netball New Zealand.

Speaker 9 (11:03):
What do you think why would Netborne New Zealand weaponize that?
That's the thing, what possible.

Speaker 2 (11:08):
Benefit we applied for her job last year?

Speaker 9 (11:11):
Well again, I don't know.

Speaker 2 (11:13):
I mean, that's just thing that's been ballsed up by
Netball strange.

Speaker 9 (11:16):
I mean, like you're right, not their finest two years
really and it will be nice to hear from them.
But look, I when you say there's a split, I
don't know whether the split certainly not fifty to fifty,
not from my understanding anyway. So and when Grace Wicker
gets up and I don't know whether she checked with
the other players whether it was okay her to say
that or not, but she felt that she had the

(11:36):
money to speak on behalf of the playing group, and
you know, using the word we constantly, and that is
a pretty good indication of that.

Speaker 2 (11:44):
Interesting, Now, are you convinced by the way the Avs
are playing?

Speaker 3 (11:47):
Well?

Speaker 9 (11:47):
I was convinced on Saturday night that they were very
desperate to win the game. Yeah, And look, it was
a bit like that game three weeks ago against South
Africa when they kind of just had to win it,
you know, in any way they could, and South Africa
nearly nicked it at the end, but but the All
Blacks won at even Park four on.

Speaker 2 (12:02):
We win at the weekend because the reef basically made
some really dodgy calls.

Speaker 9 (12:06):
Well, and I mean, you're sounding like an Australian fan
now I'm.

Speaker 2 (12:09):
Just putting on playing the devil's advocate.

Speaker 9 (12:11):
Yeah, I know you are, and look that there certainly
has been a bit of chat about that. But you know,
when you're whistled for fifteen penalties, which Australia were, I
think you have to look at yourselves and think, well,
what pictures are we showing the referee that is making
him blow up fifteen penalties against us? The yellow card
was a yellow card. There's no argument about that, not
from my point of view anyway. So look when you're

(12:32):
winging about the ref, Heather, Yeah.

Speaker 2 (12:35):
Don't do that, Piney. You know that, you know that's
not fair because sometimes ref's actually suck.

Speaker 9 (12:42):
Gee, it's good to have you back.

Speaker 2 (12:43):
Oh, it's nice to have you back. Thank you finely.
I'm appreciate it. You know, he doesn't mean that a
Jason Pine Sports Talk coast is like, gee, it's good
to have you back, like a winging wife, like one
of those Heather, does this EQC this business with the
earthquake strength thing mean that anything for us in terms
of our insurance prices coming down in Auckland, If yes,
that would be good, thanks Ash. Look one hundred percent.

(13:03):
The earthquakes have driven up the prices, but I don't
think regulations are changing the regulations bring the prices down.
That's never how life works.

Speaker 10 (13:10):
Is it.

Speaker 2 (13:10):
But it's a good question for twenty three good sport.

Speaker 1 (13:14):
With tab multis fast, easy and more code sorry eighteen.

Speaker 3 (13:17):
Bit Responsibly.

Speaker 1 (13:20):
Digging deeper into the day's headlines, it's Heather duplicl and
drive with one New Zealand coverage like no one else.

Speaker 3 (13:27):
Youth talks, they'd be heither.

Speaker 2 (13:30):
Wellington City Council decided to earthquake proof the town hall.
That initial cost of forty three million dollars and it
has since blown out to three hundred and twelve million
dollars because of these earthquake rules. That's right. I mean
that I beat you, Wellington City Council sitting there looking
at this right now, going geez. It would have been
good if the rules were changed, I don't know, maybe
eight years ago, nine years ago when they first came in,

(13:51):
so that none of this nonsense would have happened. Listen
over in Australia. I don't know if you've been following
this in the last week, the business with the Optus
out at outage with their equivalent of basically what is
one one calls it's just happened again. So it happened
yesterday in Illawara in New South Wales. At least nine
calls failed to get through because their zero zero zero
thing went down again. One person needed an ambulance. They

(14:12):
tried on an Optis phone, couldn't that to use a
non optis phone to get one. Another one just decided
it was out for nine and a half hours, by
the way, and another one just decided not to get
any assistance at all. So that's not going well for Optus.
I think anyone with money and tied up an optist
will be bummed out about that. Now, finally, we've got
the Super Bowl half time artists just being announced this afternoon.

(14:34):
It's bad bunny, if you're like the hell is bad Bunny,
which is pretty much how I reacted this is he
to be an audience for it, It's not. I mean,
we've had the Usher, We've had the Snoop Dogg, We've
had the medley of you know, nineties two thousands hip

(14:57):
hop artists, and we could all sit there and just
bathed in the nostalgia. At some stage they had to stop,
can't catering to the millennials, I suppose, and start catering
to the younger people who know who Bad Bunny is rumor,
of course, and why that's one of the reasons this
Bad Bunnies disappointing. The other reason is obviously because there
was rumors about Tata, but she didn't work for free,
and this is basically working for free. And then there

(15:18):
was the rumor about Adele, and so when you go
from a dell to Bad Bunny, you're feeling a bit
bummed out. But anyway, here you go. It's the second
time at the Super Bowl, because he did an appearance
with Shakira and Jalo during the twenty twenty game. We're
finally settled. One of this is his greatest mysteries.

Speaker 3 (15:33):
He used to be done by God.

Speaker 1 (15:43):
The day's newspeakers talked to Heather first. Heather duplessy Ellen
drive with one New Zealand and the power of satellite
mobile New Stork said, be.

Speaker 2 (16:00):
No, it's good listener standing by out of Australia. Shortly
Barry soapalled by us in ten minutes. Here the what
percentage of audience A millennials. Geez. Bad Bunny is appropriately
named after his musical of the listening Giessa Revover We're
terrible a. This is what happens is when you get
old people together who don't who don't listen to kids'

(16:20):
music anymore. We just sit here sounding like absolute numpties.
Bad Bunny might not sound that great, but he's very handsome.
So if you just put the TV on mute, put
your own music on, put the TV on mute, and
just watch him and you'll be fine. Now listen, there
is a really weird thing. We're going to talk about
this later in the program, really weird thing going on
with the supermarkets and drinking water. A New World worker

(16:42):
has gone on to Reddit and has complained that at
the store that they work at, they are being told
that they're not going to they're not going to be
allowed to have water bottles at the checkout, and the
implication here apparently is that you know, you don't want
to see the water bottles when you when you go
buy your groceries, but you get your eggs and your
chicken and your meat, and you vetched balls, Yeah, I
want to see somebody's stinky, gross water bottle. There so

(17:03):
not allowed it, which means that they can potentially go
for hours without drinking water, which feels bizarre, Like it
feels so strange because of course there heaps and nooks
and crannies under a checkout that you can hide your
water bottle, you would think, so it's out of sight.
It feels so weird as to be slightly unbelievable. We're
gonna have a chat to the Union about that. In
an hour's time. It's twenty four away from five.

Speaker 3 (17:23):
It's the world wires on news talks. They'd be drive.

Speaker 2 (17:27):
Russia has bombarded a Kiev overnight for more than twelve
hours with over six hundred drones. Zelenski made note of
the timing of the attacks.

Speaker 11 (17:35):
This vile attack came virtually at the close of UN
General Assembly week, he wrote, and this is exactly how
Russia declares its true position. Moscow wants to keep fighting
and killing and it deserves the toughest pressure from the world.

Speaker 2 (17:48):
The suspect in the Michigan Mormon church shooting has been caught.

Speaker 12 (17:52):
The sispect, again, we're in eploymentary stages right now, was
neutralized at ten thirty three forty four and the parking
lot of that church suspect as a forty year old
male Fromcetio Berton who we identified as Thomas Jacob Sandford.

Speaker 2 (18:11):
At least four people died in the church was set
alight in the attack.

Speaker 13 (18:13):
Donald Trump responded, the suspect is dad, but there is
still a lot to learn. The president says, this appears
to be yet another targeted attack on Christians in the
United States of America.

Speaker 9 (18:26):
And he's not dead, brick.

Speaker 3 (18:28):
You're not dead.

Speaker 2 (18:29):
Wreck. Yeah, well, this kind of happened in real life.
In Argentina, a man turned up at his own funeral.
His mum heard that there was a man who died
in the car crash, and then she identified that man
as her son. She looked at his clothes. They were
his clothes, and he had distinguishing features. They were his
distinguishing features, except it wasn't her son. Turns out he

(18:50):
was simply in a neighboring town on a.

Speaker 1 (18:51):
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Speaker 2 (18:58):
Ollie Peterson six pm PERF Live Presenters with Us. Hello, Wally, Hey, Heather,
talk about the ref go on?

Speaker 14 (19:05):
H I was actually playing golf afternoon. Yeah, yeah, I
was just waiting for the return. I was waiting for
the return. About in Perth this week? Are you coming over?

Speaker 3 (19:15):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (19:15):
So so yeah, you don't really want to talk about
this then?

Speaker 3 (19:20):
No, not really, no, not really.

Speaker 2 (19:22):
You know we were robbed since we've had the Blitter's
Low Cup.

Speaker 14 (19:25):
By the way, what Australia New Zealand, I think you've
I don't think we've had it about twenty years now.

Speaker 2 (19:31):
I don't know if you've been alive for it. Anyway,
Look you'll get it too, and don't worry about it now. Jeez.
I'll tell you what. However bad your day is, it's
worse with Optus, isn't it.

Speaker 9 (19:42):
I'll tell you what.

Speaker 14 (19:43):
Stephen Rue would be ruining the decision pardon the partner
taking on the job of the CEO of op this
because yet another triple zero outage on the weekend, and
it was for quite some time as well, from about
three o'clock on that Saturday or Sunday morning. It was
in the end three am Sunday morning till about midday
Sunday in the Datto area, So we're talking around Wollongong,

(20:03):
about an hour and a half south of Sydney. The
Optus network went down in regards to triple zero phone calls.
Nine affected phone calls, with that one person deciding when
they needed an ambulance to actually use a different phone
that wasn't Optus and they got connected straight through. Police
have done the welfare checks on the other eight. Everybody
else is okay, but this is just terrible. They do

(20:24):
not know how or why this one has happened, but
it makes you wonder there are severe problems aren't there
now with the entire network if this has happened again
within a week. Stephen ru Tomorrow Tuesday will be meeting
the Federal Communications Minister Annika Wells, who's returning from her
delegation being part of the United Nations gathering there in
New York. And you could just imagine how hostile those

(20:45):
conversations are going to be.

Speaker 2 (20:47):
I mean, they must be losing customers at a rate
and not.

Speaker 14 (20:50):
Say absolutely they would be, but they were when the
data hack, which is not that long ago, it's just
over a year ago. So look, the thing about Australia
is fe you live outside of the metropolitan area of
one of our capital cities, chances are you're not a
customer of Optics or voteraphone anyway, you're with Telstra because
you've got that national network. But this is going to

(21:10):
cause significant damage to the customer relationship between the telco
and Australians. And look there's calls over in this country
as well that the license should be taken off Optus,
which is obviously on now by Singtel, the Singaporean back company,
and redistributed to somebody else. So I don't know that
the government will go that far, but I'll tell you
what some of the language from Prime Minister Albanizi and
Anika Wells and Communications Minister, they are not impressed.

Speaker 2 (21:32):
Now I can imagine, now, run me through what Clive
Palmer's done.

Speaker 14 (21:36):
Oh, he just loves, particularly going to war with where
I live in Western Australia, the WA government. So he
was effectively trying to quote bankrupt the state with a
claim that he made and legislation was rushed in during
the COVID years in regards to some of the iron
ore royalties and the royalties that he had to pay
to Western Australia. The WA government claimed that this was

(21:59):
going to again bankrupt the state of the tune of
thirty billion dollars. He didn't like it, so he took
it on in all the courts in Australia. It's been
thrown out, but he's not happy with that. He's going
all the way to a court in Switzerland to try
and take on effectively the Australian government. His argument is
that because of what happened through the COVID years, it
affected his trade. But because he's an Australian citizen, he's

(22:20):
not entitled to even basically take this on in the court.
So look, he just enjoys the theater. Let's be blunt head.
He enjoys the show. He never liked the fact that
he wasn't allowing to way, particularly during those COVID years,
to run his businesses. So this is all, I believe,
a bit of a charade. But yeah, he's still trying
to get thirty billion dollars out of Western Australia.

Speaker 2 (22:41):
Yere nice try Hey, do you believe that solar panels
can add twenty three thousand dollars to the value of
your house?

Speaker 3 (22:47):
Oh?

Speaker 14 (22:47):
See, this is what I find fascinating. Now do you
have much sun in New Zealand? But he is not?

Speaker 2 (22:51):
Really that's wrong with you.

Speaker 14 (22:55):
You might have the blenderslow cups, but do you get
any sunshine?

Speaker 9 (22:58):
I don't know what i'd rather.

Speaker 14 (23:01):
I thought this was really interesting because we just had
all of this. You know, it comes out all the time, right,
but the annual what's everybody looking up?

Speaker 2 (23:07):
What was everybody.

Speaker 14 (23:07):
Searching for when they're trying to buy a home and
it's down to granny flats and pulls?

Speaker 2 (23:12):
Now again, do you have pools and music? You're a pain?

Speaker 14 (23:18):
Sorry, yeah, that I can't help myself today. But I
find this interesting, and I it's not something that we
really consider that you would look at that. But when
you have a federal government policy at the moment, which
is all about giving your rebates for putting sol and
batteries in your home, you can probably understand where this
sort of research comes out. But twenty three thousand dollars
extra to your home having a few panels on the roof.

(23:39):
I went to Google Earth to just have a look
in my street. Now I don't have panels, but I
think I'm in the minority. Like there's about twelve houses
in my street and there's only two or three of
us that don't have panels. So look, I might be
missing out on something. But it's going to cost you
more than twenty three thousand dollars to install these things,
so I don't know if it adds twenty three thousand dollars.
I just think it's the clean energy mob just trying
to get us to all sign up. And by the way,

(24:00):
and as for all governments around the world, it's your
job to be able to provide the infrastructure to keep
the lights on, not down to homeowners like turn it up.
They're just you know, shrugging their shoulders and saying it's
back on us to do it.

Speaker 2 (24:11):
Oh, I love you, Ollie, Thanks very much. Oliver Peters
and six pur Perth Live presenter ever dol Please do
you know what Actually, I've got a yarn for you. Jeez,
I've got a yarn for you. But I spent the
last week in the pool actually, so yeah, we do
have pills and sunshine as it turns out, and that's
not bad for September, is it. Anyway? We'll get to that. Here.
The staff drink bottles at the checkout our gross. This

(24:33):
text surprises me. They obviously put it in the mouth
when they're drinking, but then they close it with their fingers,
and then they touch your groceries with their fingers. It's
a bit subprime in this day and age. Do we
actually who actually agree with that? Because I don't know
what kind of drink bottle you're using, Tony, but the
drink bottle I've got, it's got a lid that you
pull off, and that lid bit which is in my fingers,
does not go in my mouth because, like you, you don't

(24:54):
want you don't want my fingers might spit fingers on
your gross, but I don't want I don't want those.
I don't want them in my either, because I don't
know that touching your groceries, do you know what I mean?
I don't want to get it anyway. Never mind, nevermind.
It's obviously a bit of a thing. So we're going
to have a chat later on with the union six
barrisopers with us. Next sixteen away from.

Speaker 1 (25:11):
Five politics was centric credit, check your customers and get
payment certainty.

Speaker 2 (25:15):
Oh man, have I got a yarn about a green
bin for you in a tach thirty. We'll do it
before this hour is out. Thirteen away from five. Barrisoper,
Senior Political Correspondence with US. Hello Barry, Good afternoon, Heather.
So what did you think of Winston Peter's speech?

Speaker 15 (25:26):
Oh, well, look, I've read the full speech and to me,
it was a very well argued and well positioned speech.
And you know, New Zealand has always said it's had
its own foreign policy independent of any other country in
the world, and I think just this just goes to
show that we do. It's in line with countries like

(25:46):
Singapore and Japan who are taking a very similar position
to New Zealand. But what Winston Peter's argued was that
Palestine doesn't meet the criteria of the state as it
doesn't have control over its own population. I mean, Hamas
is still in charge in Palestine theoretically. Anyway, little do

(26:06):
we know about them because no journalists are allowed by
Israel into the country to find out.

Speaker 9 (26:11):
But you know, I think.

Speaker 15 (26:14):
We took a very responsible, a hard position. People have
very strong views on both sides those who say, though
we're supporting the actions of Israel are plainly wrong and stupid,
because that is not the position that New Zealand's taking.
Getting back at six o'clock this morning from the Big
Apple has clearly taken Winston Peters out of play today,

(26:37):
with Chris Luxon being left to explain the decision here, he.

Speaker 16 (26:40):
Is Hamas is a brutal, brutal terrorist organization. We continue
to call out Israel for its grossly disproportionate response. You
cannot recognize a state where a terrorist organization is the
de facto government of Gaza, which is a large proportion
of Palestinian, a state that would ultimately emerge. Hamas orchestrated

(27:00):
a massacre unforeseen in the history of Israel. One two
hundred innocent people at a music festival were massacre. Two
hundred and fifty one people were taken as hostages. Forty
eight still remain.

Speaker 15 (27:13):
And we know the casualties on the other side are many,
many more than what was what occurred on October the
seventh in Israel. But Harmus may eventually obviously will be
taken out of play and then will presumably recognize Palestine
as a state. But you can imagine what that state

(27:34):
will comprise. I mean, many people living in it will
have seen parents, brothers and sisters, loved ones killed by
the Israelis. And I don't think that you may stamp
out one terrorist organization, but it'll spawn, in my view,
clearly another one.

Speaker 2 (27:49):
Yeap, quite right, Okay, good decision by Chris Pink today.

Speaker 15 (27:54):
Well it's fantastic, isn't it. I mean, you know, living
most of my life in Wellington and this legislation was passed.
You see Reading Cinemas a whole block virtually on Courtney
Place having been closed down for earthquake strengthening doing it
at the moment basically what Yeah, that's right. When I
went to the movies there, I always felt totally safe.

(28:16):
And when we had the Kaikoura quake that really rattled Wellington.
I know the apartment that we had on the fifteenth
floor of a building that was earthquake proof. It was
shaken from side to side, furniture thrown all over the place,
you couldn't get into a door. Well that's what it's
meant to happen when it is earthquake proof. But Reading
Cinema they stood throughout it, hardly a crack. And you

(28:40):
look at other places there, the Central Library that's been
closed because the building needs strengthened, that big Flash hotel,
I can't remember the name of it.

Speaker 2 (28:49):
The amoral was Flash not Flash anymore?

Speaker 15 (28:52):
Well, no it's not, because it's been left derelict. So
clearly the risk analysis of these bills bildings will be
now taken into account more fully. And the great thing
is that Auckland, which of course will never have an earthquake,
and I love the figures that you read out earlier
what it would save Auckland and the Chantham Islands. Well,

(29:13):
the Channam's hardly got any building. I've been there over
two stories anyway. So the and Northam taken out of play,
which is good, but look essentially the building industry Chris
pink He emphasized the savings to areas unlikely ever.

Speaker 17 (29:30):
To be hit by an earthquake, and Danny Vick, for example,
with a population of just five thousand, six hundred, the
savings are estimated at around sixty eight million dollars. Mowrensville,
which falls under the population cap as.

Speaker 3 (29:43):
Well, stands to save about fifty million dollars.

Speaker 17 (29:46):
Taken together, these changes will remove around fifty five percent
of current earthquake prime buildings, or around two nine hundred
buildings from the system. A further one thousand, four hundred
and forty buildings will face more cost effective remediation requirements,
and eight hundred and forty will require no remedial work
at all.

Speaker 3 (30:05):
Yeah.

Speaker 15 (30:05):
I think this is an example, Heather, isn't it really
when you saw the damage that occurred in christ Church
and nobody ever really felt that christ Church was at
risk of a major earthquake the one that we saw,
and it was as a result of that we tightened
up the rules unlike It's a bit not unlike Cave Creek,
for example, we had health and safety regulations coming after that,

(30:27):
and they are now patently absurd as well for other
areas in the country. So we tend to overreact when
we see issues later, right, dare I say the guns
being taken off legitimate hunters after the dreadful Mosk attacks?

Speaker 9 (30:42):
We react rather.

Speaker 15 (30:43):
Than thinking about what exactly will it mean these terrible
events that we do encounter from time to time.

Speaker 2 (30:50):
Ry, thanks very much appreciated, Bary Sopa, Senior political correspondent,
eight away from five.

Speaker 1 (30:55):
The headlines and the hard questions. It's the mic asking Breakfast.

Speaker 9 (31:00):
Christ of the luxtionders with us.

Speaker 16 (31:01):
Will you be anticipating some more angsty questions over Palestine?

Speaker 18 (31:04):
Are highly likely, very happy to address the Palestine question
because I actually think we got to the right decision,
which is confirming our previous position saying we're not if
but I think we got to a good place and
I think we articulated out of you very well.

Speaker 16 (31:16):
Does it sit comfortably with you in the National Party
as opposed to the government.

Speaker 6 (31:21):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (31:21):
Absolutely.

Speaker 18 (31:22):
You've got to remember I'm the Prime Minister who made
the designation about Hamas as a terrorist organization, and I
believe very very strongly that you can't recognize the state
when terrorists play a significant role in the government.

Speaker 1 (31:32):
Back tomorrow at six am the Mike Hosking Breakfast with
Rain Drover News.

Speaker 3 (31:36):
Talk ZB Heather.

Speaker 2 (31:38):
Is the government going to compensate those who already did
work as an earthquake related work or sold at a
loss like me? No, Jason, probably not. We'll talk to
Chris Pink about that when he's with us after five o'clock.
Listen the Green Bin. You got to hear this, Okay,
So what happened over the This is the first thing
the German told me when she saw me. She's like,
you've got to hear about my green bin. What happened
when I was away for the week is that on

(31:58):
Friday she put her green But you know what I'm
talking about. It those little like stupid little food scrapspins
that cost us a fortune to send a reperoa if
you live in Auckland. So she put the bin out
on Friday, and she has a citrus tree, so she
piled all the citrust rotting citrus into it. Bin didn't
get collected. Why not too heavy? Apparently they're stuck the
sticker on and name the roade other too heavy? Who

(32:19):
knew that the bin could be too heavy? So I
didn't know this rule?

Speaker 3 (32:22):
Did you know this rule?

Speaker 2 (32:23):
No, you can have a been that's too heavy. So anyway,
she called the council because she thought, well, now we've
got to know what the situation is. There is a
limit on how heavy your green bin is allowed to be.
They will not pick up anything over fourteen cag's because
if you've watched them collect it, the truck drives up
and then the dude jumps off the back, he picks
it up, he tips it in fourteen kg's. If you've
got children, there's nothing you know that fourteen k twenty

(32:46):
kg's you'll at three and a half years old, twenty
kg's they're still asking you to carry them up the hill,
do you know what I mean? So, I don't know
what kind of a oh I was gonna say a
bad word there, sissy. This guy is that he can't
pick up fourteen CAGs. But it's a health of safety problem,
so anyway, it is a problem. Just FYI, you've got
to keep your bin. If you've if you've been feels

(33:06):
a bit heavy, please take it inside and weigh it.
Thirteen and a half is okay, but not fourteen okay
because the guy who jumps off the truck, we've just
got to look after his back for picking up the
heavy bins. So just another reason, just the reason to
hate the green bins. Chris Haipkins is going to be
us shortly as well to talk of the Palestine news talks.

Speaker 19 (33:25):
That beat told judiph of that, so can.

Speaker 2 (33:43):
You come pick your coz afternoon. The government has announced
a major overhaul of our earthquake building rules. From now
only concrete buildings three stories are higher al those constructed
with unreinforced mason re brick walls and the like will
be included in that system. Auckland, Northland and the Chatham
Islands will be completely exempt. Chris Pink is the Building

(34:05):
Minister and with us now high Chris, Hello, Heather, Is
this an admission that we went overboard with the previous rules?

Speaker 17 (34:11):
Well, it's a refocusing a few years later, having seen
good rules well while intention rules come into effect, and
just thinking about the way that's payed out practically, we
think that we can refine the system a bit so
that we can have, you know, still a focus on
life safety, but actually be a bit sensible and balanced
about what that means for people who own this.

Speaker 2 (34:31):
Are we accepting more risk?

Speaker 17 (34:34):
I think it's a balanced approach to risk. I think
actually we're not taking on any more risk given that
we are focusing on the most dangerous buildings. But also
maybe an unintended consequence of having a gold standard that's
proven very difficult to meet. Actually, we're more likely that
the strengthening and remediation work takes place now because it's
a bit more targeted.

Speaker 2 (34:56):
Will this save the chateau.

Speaker 17 (35:00):
I don't want to get into individual buildings, particularly when
there's other factors. Well, I mean, each one will be assessed,
you know, according to the relevant criteria, and I'm not
familiar enough with them to get into that, but I
just know there around New Zealand, in small town New
Zealand as well as some of our biggest cities, there
will be a lot of winds where places are off
the howk and people can go ahead and invest in

(35:21):
them and have that.

Speaker 2 (35:21):
Okay, So the chateau is five stories, right, and it
looks to me to be made of stone, so it
would still it would still have to be assessed, right,
It wouldn't be exempt from these rules.

Speaker 17 (35:30):
Yeah, it sounds to me as that it wouldn't be
out automatically, but you know, it might also be that,
you know, and just to make it general, there are
a few buildings or a large number of buildings actually
that will remain caught by the system to some extent,
but will only need a targeted retrofit or maybe just
the securing of a facade rather than the full strengthening
that the system currently reed.

Speaker 2 (35:51):
What about the city to see Bridge and Wellington?

Speaker 17 (35:55):
Again, not wanting to get too specific, but that's you know,
already received to stay execution on the basis that we
were about to have the announcement. So it seems to
me that sanity might prevail in terms of that and
other landmark kind of buildings around the place, some of
which are owned by councils and some of which are
privately owned. And then you've got central government as well,
so potentially a lot of winners of different entities not

(36:18):
having to spend money that currently the law is forced.

Speaker 2 (36:21):
Wellington obviously has a whole bunch of buildings which are
basically like, if not abandoned, at least closed because of
these rules, like Reading Cinema, the Oldamra Hotel and stuff.
I is it possible that these buildings may actually be
able to be opened.

Speaker 17 (36:35):
It will be a game changer for some in that respect,
or it might be that they can't be opened yet,
but with a relatively small application of new funds would
be able to get up to the standards. So you know,
there are different levels of assistance that are going to
be provided by this and will be case by case,
but overall the effect will be a big wind fild
cities like Wellington, but further afield to.

Speaker 2 (36:56):
Will it have an impact on insurance premiums.

Speaker 17 (36:59):
I think insurance is probably slightly different. I suspect it
will have a downward pressure effect in terms of insurance premiums.
But insurance will typically guard against buildings being damaged or
compensate in the event that there is damage. So our
aim as a government is actually to focus on life
safety risks, so a slightly different metric. But where insurance

(37:21):
currently say, if you've got an earthquake prone building, according
to the government, we're going to hike your premiums. Those
people will find some relief, all.

Speaker 2 (37:28):
Right, Chris, thank you very much, as always, Chris pink
building the Minister. Eleven past five.

Speaker 3 (37:32):
Here the Duplessy Allen.

Speaker 2 (37:33):
The government is still coming under pressure for the decision
at the weekend not to recognize a Palestinian state. The
Israeli ambassador said the decision sends a very clear message
to hum Us. Former Prime Minister Helen Clark says we're
on the wrong side of history. Chris Hopkins is the
leader of the Labor Party. Hijer b hi there would
you have done it?

Speaker 6 (37:51):
Yes?

Speaker 4 (37:51):
Absolutely, It's time for New Zealand to take a principled
stance and recognize Palestine of our friends in Australia, Canada,
the United Kingdom and elsewhere the world have been doing.
Why Ultimately New Zealand cannot stand by and cannot turn
our backs on unfolding in Palestine. It is an unfolding genocide.
People are being starved to death. What Israel is doing

(38:15):
is totally unacceptable. And not recognizing Palestine simply sending a
message to Israel that we are okay with what they're doing.
We shouldn't be.

Speaker 2 (38:23):
Yeah, but recognizing a Palestinian state and you know this
is not going to stop what Israel's doing, is it?

Speaker 4 (38:29):
Well, it's being part of an international community that's taking
a principled stance of saying it's time to bring the
two pollution into reality.

Speaker 2 (38:35):
What's the point in a principled stance when there are
things you could actually do to stop, to stop the
war and stop the famine, right, putting food in those kids' mouths,
punishing Israel with sanctions that would actually make a difference.
This is just a symbolic gesture. It makes no difference.

Speaker 4 (38:51):
We need to do all of those other things as well.
The government haven't agreed to sanctions against Israel as our well,
to the extent that some of our friends around the
world have been doing, we need to do that as well.
We've got to send a very clear message to Israel
that this is not acceptable. I absolutely defended Israel's right
to defend itself following those horrific attacks in twenty twenty
three undertaken by Hummas, and I continue to defend their

(39:15):
right to defend themselves. But this is going way too far.

Speaker 2 (39:18):
Why didn't you do it when you had the chance?

Speaker 4 (39:21):
We were going to? Ultimately we didn't before the election.
We had made it clear that we would do so
after the electric.

Speaker 2 (39:27):
But why didn't you do it before the election? Look,
because that was the weirdest thing. It was weird then
and it's weird now. You stood there and you had
a majority. You guys could have done it just like that.
But you stood there and said, only if you vote us,
and will we recognize the state of Palestine. Why.

Speaker 4 (39:43):
It's something that I had been looking at since I
took over from to Cinda as Prime Minister. Ultimately made
the decision not to do that following the Hummas attacks. Well,
following the Humus attacks, I didn't think that that was
the right message to send at that time. Why well,
because ultimately I don't. I absolutely condemned the at text
on Israel, and.

Speaker 2 (40:01):
It would have been seen to be rewarding her us then.

Speaker 4 (40:03):
Ryan, Yeah, and I don't think it would be now.

Speaker 2 (40:07):
It would be now they say so, Well, at the.

Speaker 4 (40:10):
Moment, we're rewarding Israel for doing something which is undoubtedly
in violation of the international law. I don't think that's
the kind of company that we should be aiming to keep.

Speaker 2 (40:17):
All right, Chippy, thanks very much, appreciate your time. Chris Hepkins,
Labor Party leader.

Speaker 3 (40:21):
Together do for ce Ellen Heather.

Speaker 2 (40:25):
How did they know that the green bin was too heavy?
Clearly they picked it up. That's right, they picked it
up and then put it back down. Either what sort
of all there's the word I can't say that starts
with a piece, and we'll go with sissy, which is close.
Was sort of a sissy? Would bother putting a sticker
to Saint's too heavy at fourteen CAGs rather than just
put it?

Speaker 3 (40:42):
I know?

Speaker 2 (40:43):
So, think about what happened. They went to the jumped
out of the truck, ran over with that guns souns out,
guns out, ran over. Little you know, they like to
show the guns off of the rubbish. Guys picked up
the ben went, oh, no, that's heavy, how heavy do
you reckon it? Was not sure? Oh whatever, she says,

(41:06):
fifteen cages. Sheouldn't know anyway, so she doesn't have scales
at her house when now she's gonna have to get
some otherwise this's gonna happen again. So he runs over,
picks it or not too heavy, puts it down, tells
his mate in the truck map hang on, walks over
to the truck, gets a sticker, gets a pen, comes back,
puts the sticker on, writes on it. All of this

(41:27):
time he could have just been a man about it,
picked up the fifteen cagey bin, dumped it and gone
that's a bit heavy, mate, don't do that again, and
then gone on with it. No, instead, we have to
go through all the melodrama, all the melodrama of administration anyway,
So we're just building a case against the green bin,
just building a further cases if we needed to quarter past.

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Speaker 3 (42:51):
Ever dups Allen Lord.

Speaker 2 (42:53):
The bins jeezl. Yeah no, don't worry. I see you
coming at me on the bins. I'm gonna come back
at you on that nineteen past five.

Speaker 3 (42:59):
Now.

Speaker 2 (42:59):
The surprise of the Silver Ferns match last night was
Grace's post match shout out to Dame Nolin Totua to
return as the coach of the team.

Speaker 8 (43:09):
Knowles, if you're listening, we love you and we miss
you and we want you back here. You've done so
much with this through and the work you've done this
whole year, but you deserve to be here and we
want you back Nols. So thank you. Thank you to
everyone for supporting us regardless.

Speaker 14 (43:25):
Thank you so.

Speaker 2 (43:26):
Gordon Titchen's former All Black Sevens coaches with us, Titch, Hello, yeah, hi,
how are you going well? Thank you? Were you surprised
by that?

Speaker 3 (43:34):
Mayor?

Speaker 7 (43:35):
I thought it was a great speech, to be fair.
I thought for her that she's the best goal shore
in the world and netble at the moment, and for
someone so young, and it was quite an emotional speech
and I thought it was well said and I certainly
support everything she said last night's speech.

Speaker 2 (43:50):
What do you think is going on here? Is there
a division between players or is there a division between
players and netble New Zealand.

Speaker 7 (43:58):
Yeah, I think now that the coaches of the boss now,
it's unfortunate. I've got answer to the players Association and
CEOs and high performance managers.

Speaker 3 (44:07):
Heather.

Speaker 7 (44:07):
It's a it's a real battle. And I mean Nolan's
the best netball coach in the world, without doubt. And
you know she's got she's she's really has an approach
and she's very very professional, very innovative, looks for new ways,
new systems. But you know, she she's hot and she's
she's a hard task for us. So it's no different

(44:28):
to when I was coaching, and you have to be
the boss. And I think it's sad how with these
Illa Netball particularly, I think if I look into it
a little bit further, how can your CEO be away
that's running the z Illa netball the overseas and not
come back to address the issues that we had. I
thought that was just unbelievable to the affair.

Speaker 2 (44:46):
I think we all did. Can Dame Nole's come back though,
as much as the players might want to to, just
this feels so septic towards her.

Speaker 7 (44:54):
Yeah, I sat there last night and I thought of
I was in the same situation and obviously coaching some
DJ Forbes and the europe Russias and they were on TV.
And I've been stood down in the same sort of
position as Noline, you know. And I had a you know,
someone like Grace come across and mentioned watching years last night,
I think I'd really think about coming back. I mean,

(45:17):
it'd be tough, but I from what I believe, she's
got support of many, many players and they want her
back and we need her, and we're coming up to her,
not only a Constellation series, coming up against Australia and
they'll be tough and because you ain't got to come
with games, so we do need her. She's the best
Nipple catch.

Speaker 2 (45:34):
In his own Do you think she should come back
and say, Okay, I'll come back with Jenny Wiley's got
to go, man.

Speaker 7 (45:41):
I honestly, for someone that runs New Zealand netball and
not to come back in a crisis, and it was
a crisis quite honestly, on the eve of playing South Africa,
not to come back it says it all for me,
I mean honestly in my view, Yeah, they hate to
look for a new see and I'm being straight up there.

(46:01):
I just think it's quite quite unbelievable that she didn't
return to you know, she left it with. I think
it was mister Winderrey to control the situation. Obviously him
being back here and that's who she answers to. But
quite quite crazy. He's on holiday now, so let's go
out and marry he around, doesn't.

Speaker 2 (46:20):
It really feels a bit like that. Hey, thank you
very much. Touch appreciate it. Sir Gordon Titchen's former All
Black sevens coach is still straight shooting, you can see. Okay,
let's deal with Palestine next five two.

Speaker 1 (46:29):
The name you trumped to get the answers you need,
it's Heather Duplicy Ellen Drive with one New Zealand coverage
like no one else News Talk there Be five.

Speaker 2 (46:40):
Twenty five will deal with the water bottles in about
ten minutes time. Listen, Can I just come to the
defense of Winston Peters for a minute. Winston has been
labeled a coward for the position that he took on
Palestine on Saturday, which I do not think is fair,
because it appears to me that what he's done is
actually the opposite of cowardice. The easy thing would have
actually been for him to just go with the crowd,
just say, yep, we recognize the Palace Indian state, because

(47:00):
that's what everybody else is doing. The hard thing for
him to do is go against the crowd, go against
what everybody the UN is doing, go against the domestic
media opinion, go against the commentator's consensus. So actually, when
you think about it, he's not being cowardly at all.
And actually I agree with his analysis at the moment.
Set aside whether there should be a Palestinian state, because
of course there should be a Palestinian state, and I

(47:22):
think most of us think that right if it's possible,
it should happen. That's not what this is about. It
is about whether you do that right now, because doing
it right now is rewarding Hamas, and they themselves have
made it clear that they see the recognition of a
state of Palestinian of Palestine as a vindication of the
massacre that they carried out on October seven. You cannot

(47:42):
reward terrorists for taking innocent lives. But also, and probably
more importantly, it's not going to do anything to end
the war. If you really want to end the war,
if Trump's current peace plan fails, then what we need
to do is punish Israel for what they're doing. They
should be sanctioned, and they should be isolated from the
International Commune until they stop. And we've been saying this
for weeks on the show. For every day that we

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talk about whether we recognize a Palestinian state, we are
wasting a day that we could be talking about what
we actually should be doing, the things that would actually
end this war, like punishing Israel for what they're doing,
which again is another day that we've wasted talking about
the wrong thing.

Speaker 3 (48:19):
Heather do for Sea Ellen.

Speaker 2 (48:20):
By the way, if you haven't caught up on what
the detail of at least the more interesting details of
Trump's peace plan, are going to run you through some
of them. I get a chance in the next half hour, Heather,
give the guy a break. He picks up thousands of
bins a day, So when will it be too heavy
for you? Seventeen eighteen thirty, what ever? Whatever? Who is
this host is the person texting me, the person who

(48:43):
has actually designed the stupid green binskin skip. He is
not nu scheme. He's not packing up thousands a day,
is he? Because no one actually does the green bins
do they? We never look up and down the street
how many people are doing the look look at how
many people are not doing He's not packing up that many.
And even if he is, it'll be like toe kj's
three kg's, five kg's. There's the Germans one fattin kjs.

(49:07):
He can do it. He's a big boy, he's got
strong arms. Listen, somebody's text through and said, there is
a like we are getting to the point with this
green bin thing, which is it is becoming so ridiculous
that all cland council is going to have to abandon it.
Like you know that that's the case, right, It's costing
us millions and millions of dollars. In fact, I reckon
if one of the candidates would run on actually scrapping
the bin, I'm looking at you, Wayne Brown, I think

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it would work quite well, don't you think. Anyway, And
deal with the next stupid thing, which is the drink
bottles and the Supermarket's next newstalk ZB.

Speaker 1 (49:39):
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Speaker 19 (49:50):
Be right.

Speaker 2 (49:55):
Remember Nichola willis always with us Monday six o'clock Finance Minister.
Obviously she's going to of us as per today. And
before we get to six o'clock, I need to tell
you about my holiday, Yan, about more week's hot. I
feel like every time I go on holiday, somebody in
my family goes to hospital and it's the usual. It's
the usual. Suspect this time to standby, I give you
the yen twenty four away from six. Now, we've got

(50:15):
a bit of controversy over water at work. So what's
happened is a New World worker has gone on to
Reddit to complain that their store is going to ban
employees from having water bottles on the shop floor. This means,
of course, they can only drink water on their breaks.
Rud Hues is with the workers' first union high Rod Good.
Is this really happening?

Speaker 6 (50:35):
Well, apparently it is, and it's not the first time
we've kind of come across this sort of thing. We
have had issues and other stores and other retail stores,
and where we've had those issues, we've managed to sit
down with the company and talk about access to water
and where they have access to water, you know, they
don't need the water bottles, but where they haven't got

(50:56):
access to water, and where they can put them out
of sight under counters. The companies have come back and said, Okay,
well those people can have water bottles. It seems to
be a you know, kind of a basic human right
that people should be able to have access to water.

Speaker 2 (51:09):
What's the problem. Is it just the size of the bottle.

Speaker 6 (51:13):
It seems to be that that is that is that
is the problem, And it may be that they think
that it's getting in the way of customer service. I
think that actually, if you've got hydrated people who are
comfortable and happy, they're going to give much better customer
service than people who are dying for a drink.

Speaker 3 (51:29):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (51:29):
How long can these these workers go without a break,
you know, between being able to get to their drink bottles.

Speaker 6 (51:36):
Well, there's requirements under the law for people to be
able to have a break every two hours or two
and a half hours, but there might be other reasons
that people need water bottles. It may be, and I
think that also one of the things that medical professions
is is that we need to hydrate more than we
actually do. And it's really basically it's a health and
safety issue.

Speaker 2 (51:56):
As far as I consider now New World's franchises, isn't
it so this would very stored to store, wouldn't it?

Speaker 6 (52:02):
It does? It does, and some you know, and some
employees are much better than others in terms of making
sure that their their employees are comfortable and hydrated, whereas
you know, some are much more dictatorial and not willing
to kind of provide that for workers.

Speaker 2 (52:20):
I find this really odd, Rud, because I would have
thought that if you're standing at a checkout, you've got
a whole bunch of places you can hide your bottle
underneath the count, can't.

Speaker 6 (52:26):
You, Budly, I couldn't agree more, And that is the
argument we've made when when we've talked to other other companies.

Speaker 2 (52:36):
Rud, thanks very much, appreciate it. Rud Hughes, Deputy Secretary
of Retail at the Workers First Union, got a statement
from food Stuff so they say there's no national food
Stuff's policy on this, but we expect our store teams
to be fair and reasonable look after their teams. It's
twenty one away from six the.

Speaker 1 (52:51):
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of the kind The.

Speaker 2 (52:56):
Huddles me this evening we have Joseph Gani, CEO of
Child Fund, and Tim Wilson, the director of the maximums
to Jude. Hello you guys, Hello Josie. The shakeup of
the earthquake rules as well over you, isn't it.

Speaker 20 (53:08):
Oh yeah, I actually think this is a pretty good balance.
I mean you've got to get somewhere between no risk
at all and you can't do anything that's going to
have any potential risk of injury or death, and then
some kind of balanced risks. So we do it with
cars all the time, right, I Mean, if we didn't
want anyone to die on the roads, we would say
everybody has to drive at five kilometers per hour yea,

(53:30):
and no one would die. Maybe a few cats, so
you kind of go. You know, you've got to have
a sensible sort of in between. I do worry, though,
while I think this is really good, the big issue
I know for friends of mine are in this position
where they can't sell their house because it's earthquake prone
or their building or their commercial building. Is that you

(53:51):
have to get insurance. That's one big thing, and I'm
not convinced yet that they've really thought that through. And
the other thing is you have to be able to
get a bank Loaneople who are buying a property have
to be able to get a bank, and bank with
the insurance well if they're not insuring. So I listened
to the minister and he said, oh, no, the buildings
that come off the earthquake risk, they will be able

(54:12):
to be and should Now I think that's an assumption.
I'm not yet sure that that's what the insurance companies
will do. But probably even more of an issue is
being able to get a bank loan. So if you're
buying a property, you want to get a bank loan,
the bank says, Nope, won't lend to you because we
still don't think that this is going to be earthquake
proof enough or something. So I just wonder if they've

(54:33):
taken all those boxes.

Speaker 2 (54:35):
Yeah, that's a fair point. What do you think, Tim?

Speaker 21 (54:38):
Yeah, yeah, two fair points. I mean the Minister was saying,
as you mentioned, that he expects the insurance costs to
sort of go down. Bank lines another thing, and the
banks are typically, you know, they're very long faced about
any risk at all. But I've got to say, generally,
thinking about this policy, when Tory Faro and Wayne Brown
agree on something, that it's a positive move. The idea

(55:00):
is clearly so practical as to maybe be beyond ideology
and have some merit. So heads off to Chris Pink.

Speaker 2 (55:06):
Yeah, absolutely, Tim, I do.

Speaker 20 (55:08):
I do wonder though, Heather, whether or not, because we
do have a tendency in New Zealand to kind of
celebrate these things. We're removing regulation and we shove the
resk on to customers. I have a feeling we've done
it a little bit with building new building regulations not
clear that customers or building owners will be protected, and
I wonder here. I mean, it's all very well if

(55:28):
you're walking down Wellington or Auckland, weather's a big population,
but if God help you, if you're in a rural
community with a population under ten thousand and they've decided
that your buildings in the main street do not need
to be earthquake proof and the building falls on you.
So I think a better conversation about offloading risk into
the public probably needs to happen too.

Speaker 2 (55:50):
It's a fair point to make, Tim. Where are you
on the government's call on the state of Palestine?

Speaker 21 (55:55):
Yeah, look, I hood your editorial, and I do think
that this is actually what independent foreign policy actually looks like.
It's not doing what everyone else is doing. And it
was accused, you know, the Winston Peters was accused of
being cowardly. We were being accused of being cowardly. It's
courageous in the sense that declarations from the UK and

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Canada they're all premised on a mass not being involved
and releasing hostages, and those things are not going to happen,
so they're whimsical, so it's got no value. The other
issue here is if we recognize the state, whom are
we recognizing Hamas or the Palestinian authority?

Speaker 20 (56:33):
Yeah, Josey, Yeah, I mean you've got to accept that
people on both sides of this argument can make a
reasonable case. And I think Mirinston made a reasonable case
for me. You know, I mean, I run a CEO,
I run a charity where we're working in Gaza, and
I think you're absolutely right, Heather. I mean this doesn't
immediately solve the problem of getting food and medical supplies

(56:54):
across the border. So you know, we've got trucks that
are stuck on the border that can't get across, and
the pressure needs to come on Israel to lift the
bureaucratic registration that's required for NGOs like ours to get
across the border. So there's all these very practical, immediate
things that would release trucks straight away. And you're right,
recognizing Palestine doesn't make a difference to that, but it

(57:16):
would actually make it easier for us to negotiate if
you have most countries recognizing that you're never going to
see river to see Palestine, and you're never going to
see a greater Israel that takes over Palestine. These are
two people Tom.

Speaker 2 (57:33):
Explain to me. Explain to me how recognizing a state
of Palestine would make your job.

Speaker 20 (57:37):
Easier because then you can negotiate. So I actually think
this marginalizes Hummus. It doesn't reward it because it says
we will not negotiate with the Hummus, but will we
will recognize the state that's ready, that's led by Palestinian authority,
with Arab countries backing it. So then you have a
direct line, a very practical line to start negotiating policy,

(58:00):
these positions, rules, regulations. You start being able to negotiate
some of this very practical stuff because with the Palestinian authority,
that's years away.

Speaker 21 (58:13):
Just in terms of the Palestinian.

Speaker 20 (58:17):
Joseph right, it is years away, or it could be
a year away. But what you would have is Egypt, Jordan.
You'd have the Arab countries in Saudi Arabia in the
regions starting to act like a transition government. You'd have
someone like Tony Blair coming in who's been flown.

Speaker 2 (58:35):
You're talking about Donald Trump's peace plan, right, That's That's
not what these are. Two are you not conflating the
two things.

Speaker 20 (58:42):
No, I'm saying that if you recognize, if you recognize
the principle of a state of Palestine, you can negotiate
with the Palestine authority, but you would be it would
be led at this stage by an Arab coordinated Arab
group of countries. And probably you're right, there are something
of the Trump.

Speaker 2 (59:02):
Just hold that because I want to hear it, but
I just have to take a quick break. We'll come
back to a quarter two.

Speaker 1 (59:07):
The huddle with New Zealand Southeby's International Realty, the global
leader in luxury real estate.

Speaker 2 (59:13):
So you're back with the huddle, Tim Wilson, Joe Speguanni, Tim, Sorry,
what were you going to say?

Speaker 21 (59:17):
Oh, just about the Palestinian authority. I mean it seemed
from within Palestine as corrupt, authoritarian and inefficient. And just
just last week the Telegraph reported that it had just
stopped its pay to Sleigh program of rewarding the families
of terrorists for those they killed. So the Palestinian authority
is not necessarily the kind of organization that you want

(59:40):
to deal with it. And I think all of these,
all of these paradoxes and concerns were well, I guess
well laid out in Winston Peter's speech.

Speaker 2 (59:48):
Yeah, fair point. Okay, Now have you caught up Josie
on the green bene controversy.

Speaker 3 (59:56):
Well, what else is there?

Speaker 20 (01:00:00):
This is much more important, clearly.

Speaker 10 (01:00:02):
Yeah.

Speaker 20 (01:00:02):
I love our priorities are set right. I hate those
green bins in the office. If they're like electric cars
in the office, It's like, get the bloody things out
of the office, and they stink and everything. But this
is about I know, the collection at home, So I
would say to your German, wonderful German producer Laura that
at fourteen k, it's it's quite a lot. And if

(01:00:24):
you're going to have if you're get to put fourteen
k of oranges in your green bin, Laura, you probably
need a compost bin. Why don't you get a compost bin?

Speaker 2 (01:00:33):
Isn't that what?

Speaker 3 (01:00:33):
Hold on?

Speaker 2 (01:00:34):
Isn't Laura? Isn't that what the lady on the phone
told you, the lady on the phone that she called
orchand council. The lady on the phone, Jos said to her,
why don't you get a compost bin? And she said,
I don't want to. And then she said, why don't
you get a second green bin? And she said, I
don't want toe, I just want them because it's going
to cost you more. But then she said, why don't
you stick your oranges in your neighbor's green bin?

Speaker 20 (01:00:52):
Oh? Why don't you put them in the waist master?
But also, look, I'm.

Speaker 21 (01:00:57):
Not wast master. It's nice for some.

Speaker 2 (01:01:00):
Yeah, sorry, very pushed.

Speaker 20 (01:01:03):
Also I have a toaster and a dish washer. But yeah,
but hopefully one day you'll get those lovely modern cons.

Speaker 21 (01:01:10):
I've got four dishwashers. But that's another story.

Speaker 20 (01:01:14):
Yeah, well that's what happens. If you breed lots of children,
you're going to have lots of people to wash the dishes.

Speaker 3 (01:01:18):
It's very good.

Speaker 20 (01:01:19):
But I think also you've got a bear in mind
that even though I would have got rid of these
green bins entirely, but actually they're funding a whole bunch
of bio energy stuff. It's actually quite valuable.

Speaker 2 (01:01:33):
Get off the grass. Have you read how much this
is costing Auckland City You could literally buy carbon credits
for I think it's something like thirteen times less or something. Anyway,
to put some inject some common scenes here, please him.

Speaker 21 (01:01:45):
Okay, so the cost, the cost saving carbon saving sort of,
the cost of the bins is fourteen hundred per ton,
thank you. If you bought it an ets, it's fifty
to sixty per ton, So you buy it on the
open market.

Speaker 2 (01:01:58):
Don't give me a voot.

Speaker 3 (01:01:59):
Economic that was there?

Speaker 21 (01:02:02):
I think that was a phrase from was it Ronald
Reagan or George Bush? Anyway? Anyway, the issue here, you
know what, there's two issues here. There's the soft handed
soccer bubba that wouldn't lift fourteen kg.

Speaker 3 (01:02:12):
That's useless.

Speaker 21 (01:02:13):
I mean fourteen kg is the size of a Christmas Ham.
If you can't lift a Christmas Ham, you shouldn't be
working on the truck. The other one at fold here
is Laura. If she can get fourteen kg's worth of
oranges off the tree, what she does is she presses them,
makes orange juice sheltered on the side of the road.
The kids did it last week and she get fifteen bucks.

Speaker 3 (01:02:30):
For a liter.

Speaker 2 (01:02:31):
That's also a lot of Laura cake that didn't get baked.
I'd like to point out Tim, you said you speak
so much common sence, Josie, go and work on it, please,
Thank you very much. Pair of you, Joe Speghany, Tim Wilson,
our huddle, you know what it has. We are aware
that on this program we may well be making the
case worse, the situation worse, because the obvious, I mean
the obvious thing to do for Auckland councilors, if the

(01:02:52):
Green Ben's are causing this most trouble, just scratch them,
scrap them. But Auckland Council does not logical or rational,
so probably what they're going to do is go buy
a gigantic truck can reconvert all of their trucks to
have hydraulic arms that can pick up the bins, thereby
lumping Auckland Council ratepayers with so much more cost because
that would be the thing that they would do to
avoid the man having to pick up fourteen kgs. So
if that happens, sorry, that was our fault.

Speaker 1 (01:03:14):
Eight Away from six It's the Heather dupas Allen Drive
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Speaker 2 (01:03:25):
Six away from six listen news just out. It is
understood that Dame Nolen Todoer has a meeting with Netball
New Zealand tomorrow in what may be an attempt to
finally break the Silver Ferns coaching stand off. And apparently
it's also being reported that several past Silver Ferns have
put references forward in support of her. So things may
come to a head tomorrow and hopefully it's resolved. Now

(01:03:45):
I've been I need to talk to you about my
week off. Okay, So the story involves Airbnb and also
the husband lord. This man gives me so much trouble.
So what we decided in the end, The decision was
do we stay in Auckland to do and swim in
the pool in September. We're probably trying it on it's
early spring, or do we go to Wellington and see
everybody that we love. Well, we're going to go to Wellington, right,

(01:04:08):
But then, being a man, he gets a pain, doesn't
He gets a pain late in the previous week and
he just ignores it because that's what men do. Come Sunday,
the pain is so intense he has to go to ED.
Well done you. So he goes to ED and he
stays in ED overnight and they give him what he
likes to call ken to mean to try and relieve

(01:04:29):
the pain, because the fent and ole, as he calls it,
did not work anyway. Turns out he's got sight like
a really bad case of sciatica or whatever. I don't
really know, but he was over. It was overnight in
hospital on Sunday, which meant that we missed the flight
on Monday to Wellington. And that was that, and that
was okay. I was okay with that in the end,
because in fact, Wellington had, as per usual, shite weather,

(01:04:51):
didn't it. It had wind that was blowing, it had
rain blowing sideways like bullets into your face, and I thought,
I can't really be bothered with that. And I also
can't be bothered with having two children and then a
third one that I have to carry all three of
them to the airport at this state. So I was like, nevermind. Anyway,
this is where the story becomes about Airbnb. So for
all of the trouble that we give in New Zealand

(01:05:13):
and we moan about them, thumbs up to in New Zealand,
they were so awesome. I called them up. I said, listen,
this is the situation. We haven't been able to make
our holiday. Is there any chance we can get a credit?
Can we put the flights into credit? And they were like, yes,
we will do that for you. It was a hell
of a lot of money, by the way, because we're
flying in school holidays, so a couple of thousand just
went into I was like, good from you in New Zealand. Anyway.

(01:05:33):
Then I got in touch with Auckland Airport because I
pre booked my park and because I'm a psycho, and
they said yep, absolutely fine, and they credited me the
money for that. I was like, what are these guys?
We give them so much grief, they're legends. I went
to Airbnb. I was like, hey, listen, can't make the holiday,
what are the chants? Nope, can't have a refund. That
was a lot of money as well a lot of money.
So anyway, the lesson that I've learned is that if

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you're going, if you're traveling with people who give you trouble,
like children or husbands who have any part of the
body breaking down right on holiday time, what you want
to do is never ever, ever use Airbnb. Never use
Airbnb because all of your money is tied up with
some random homeowner in Wellington. I'm not going to have

(01:06:16):
a crack at them, fair enough whatever. If they want
to keep the money, they can, but they made the
decision that that was decent money for them to take,
and so they kept the money. But what it means
is that I'm now out of pocket. So in the future,
if you're traveling with people who are a liability like
I am, you want to go and stay with big outfits, right,
big hotels, motels, resorts, people who can give you a
credit or something like that. Anyway, that's my life lesson

(01:06:38):
that I've learned. I think I'm off the airbnbs now
for a very very long period of time. Anyway, in
the end. Guess what we swam in the pool for
a week at was glorious? How good is the staycation
from time to time?

Speaker 3 (01:06:51):
Mate?

Speaker 2 (01:06:51):
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We're Heather Duplicy, Ellen and Mas for insurance investments and
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Speaker 3 (01:07:08):
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Speaker 2 (01:07:10):
News talk said be evening. Coming up in the next
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Speaker 1 (01:07:15):
Today.

Speaker 2 (01:07:16):
We're going to have a chat to the Property Institute
on how big they think the earthquake regulations shake up is.
There were us after half past and then Gavin Gray
will do the UK for US at seven past six
and with us now we have Nikola Willis the finance
mins to high Nikola, Hi, Eather, this is all the
quake regulations out today. Do you know Chris Penk didn't know?
Did you Do you know whether it saves the chateau?

Speaker 10 (01:07:36):
I can't tell you the answer to that. I don't know.

Speaker 2 (01:07:39):
What about reading, I don't know. Do you know of
any buildings in your city that it might save?

Speaker 13 (01:07:48):
Well?

Speaker 10 (01:07:49):
I know that overall four hundred and seventy buildings are
removed from the Wellington Register as a result of the
changes we're an ounce today, So that's a long list.
In some is the individual engineers will look at it
to see if it meets the criteria. But the rough
assessment from the consultants we engaged is around four hundreds
eavenly buildings in Wellington.

Speaker 2 (01:08:10):
How quickly do you think before how long is it
going to take in order to get these buildings open again?
Because this has been devastating for Wellington.

Speaker 10 (01:08:17):
Well obviously individual owners of those buildings will make decisions,
but I think this will be a huge breath of
fresh year for Wellington because buildings that have been sitting derelict,
waiting either for demolition or remediation that no one could afford,
will now be able to do a reassessment and say, well,
actually we can reopen this building. We can put it
to good use. It'll breathe some energy into the city.

Speaker 2 (01:08:39):
Isn't it a bummer that this happened to Wellington and
completely unnecessarily?

Speaker 10 (01:08:45):
Well look, I think it's one of those things that
you look back and it was full of good intentions
and people were trying to do the right thing, but
the impact has been massive and pretty devastating to Wellington
in particular, but actually building owners across the country who
were pulled into the regime and some of our small
towns you've just had building after building along the main

(01:09:06):
drag not able to be used. So it ultimately didn't
make sense. Of course, we should be working to preserve life,
but the changes went far further than that. In effect.

Speaker 2 (01:09:16):
Now listen the heat that you guys are coppying for
the decision not to recognize Palestine as a state at
the weekend. Were you expecting that?

Speaker 3 (01:09:23):
Yes?

Speaker 10 (01:09:24):
And I actually think whichever way we'd gone, there would
have been heat on both sides, and so we as
a cabinet decided to do what we believed was an
independent New Zealand based decision, based very much on the
facts in front of us and what we thought was
the best thing. Ultimately, we still want to see a
two state solution. We want to see Palestine and Israel

(01:09:45):
able to coexist, and we want peace in that region
as soon as possible.

Speaker 2 (01:09:50):
What if now is not the right time to recognize
the state winners.

Speaker 10 (01:09:55):
When there's legitimate people running the state as opposed to
to Hamas, when you've actually got the hostages released and
when you've actually got the ability for there to be
enough peace that there can be two states in place.

Speaker 2 (01:10:10):
So does it work like this? If Trump's peace plan works,
then that sets us up for the basically setting up
setting up the framework for us to be able to
do that.

Speaker 10 (01:10:21):
Well, yeah, we're looking for real actions towards the full
viability and legitimacy of the Palestinian state rather than just
simply Pressureck in that direction. So actual tangible steps which
mean that there is an authority that can be recognized
with borders that can be recognized.

Speaker 2 (01:10:37):
Okay, does that come about as a result of Trump's
peace plan.

Speaker 10 (01:10:40):
Well, we yet to see exactly how that transpires and what,
but we are a.

Speaker 2 (01:10:44):
Fair idea of what's involved.

Speaker 10 (01:10:45):
Right, Well, an important part will be Israel stopping and
reversing the actions that it has taken aimed at destroying
the two states solution, and we yet to see what
will what will pass.

Speaker 2 (01:10:57):
So if it plays out in the best possible way,
which is the host is a released, he must leaves Gaza,
Israel stops and eventually retreats, Tony Blair takes over runs
the administration. When that is all played out, is that
the point at which we do it.

Speaker 10 (01:11:11):
Well, I think at that point we would have reason
to reassess.

Speaker 2 (01:11:14):
Okay, now, how rough was last week with the mood
of the boardroom?

Speaker 10 (01:11:19):
Oh well, it was battering in the sense that I
take feedback from business leaders seriously. Their views matter to me.
But equally I'm also of the view that we are
doing the right things as a government. In fact, most
of the business leaders in that room agree that we are.
In many cases they want us to go harder and faster.

(01:11:42):
That's good encouragement. None of them were really calling for
a wholesale shift in direction. So the point I think
for sure about that, yes I am, because I read
the mood of the boardroom excerpt literally from cover to
cover with my highlighter hen in hand, and the sorts
of things that business leaders were calling for was they

(01:12:05):
were saying, you need to keep this a competitive place
to do business. You need to keep up the deregulation
in a big way. You need to be delivering infrastructure faster,
overhauling the resource management system.

Speaker 2 (01:12:15):
Well, I mean, what about this, What has Nikola Will
has done to create growth in New Zealand.

Speaker 10 (01:12:21):
Well, yes, that was a comment from someone, As I said, right,
at the beginning, Heather, I was quite better to hear that,
because I would point to them and say, well, look,
we've done the investment those tax policy to encourage investment.
We've been completely overhauling the Resource Management Act. We've already
got fast track projects that are starting as a result
of the legislation that we've put in place. We've been

(01:12:43):
having to fix up very difficult books, and so i'd
point to a number of things.

Speaker 2 (01:12:48):
Have you read Damien, Have you to read Damien Grant's piece?

Speaker 10 (01:12:52):
I haven't read that piece.

Speaker 2 (01:12:53):
Okay, So Damian Grant has written a piece yesterday which
has the headline Corporate New Zealand has written off this administration,
says Luxeon and Willis have done nothing to indicate that
they are willing to take the unpopular but necessary reforms
to prevent our accelerating economic decline. That's the problem, isn't it.
It's that I get the feeling that everybody is getting
frustrated by not enough big stuff being done. Isn't that

(01:13:14):
possibly what's upsetting people?

Speaker 10 (01:13:17):
Well, I just argue that we have done some big things.
Twenty three billion dollars worth of savings in our first
budget and in our second budget, the changes to the
pay equity regime, we're pretty big. They were pretty bold,
and I wouldn't say that anyone did them in order
to win a popularity.

Speaker 2 (01:13:31):
None is that a structural change, right, None of that
is actually reversing the situation. Only it is only perhaps
slowing the situation. We find ourselves well.

Speaker 10 (01:13:39):
Structural change for me is making sure that we can
actually use the natural land and resources in this country
without being completely fitted by a resource management system that
has got on the way for three decades. We are
doing that reform. Structural change for me is making sure
instead of having a housing system where we put one
neighbor against another, we say it, actually, let's have a

(01:14:01):
modern approach to funding infrastructure, including with tolls, including with
value capture, so that we can go for housing growth.
I mean, structural change is fundamentally changing the tax system,
even in the midst of a fiscal consolidation, in order
to encourage businesses to invest in their own capital and equipment.
Structural change is making sure the school system actually equips

(01:14:22):
kids with literacy and numeracy skills, something that's sort of
been forgotten over the last decade. So those are big changes.
They don't happen overnight, but they are important and we
are progressing them.

Speaker 2 (01:14:34):
Are we going to get structural change with the electricity
announcement this week?

Speaker 10 (01:14:38):
Well, you'll hear the details of that announcement when we
make it. We've taken this very seriously as a cabinet
because we recognize that ensuring that New Zealand has affordable,
secure energy supply will be critical to our economic growth.
And we've recognized that there are problems with the current system,

(01:14:58):
but we need to make thought for keyful reform and
that's what you'll see when we make the announcement.

Speaker 2 (01:15:03):
Yeah, brilliant stuff. Okay, listen, Thank you. Nicola has always
appreciated Nichola Willis, Finance Minister. Coming up quarter past.

Speaker 1 (01:15:08):
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Speaker 3 (01:15:14):
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Speaker 2 (01:15:17):
A seventeen pass six. Listen. Just on that Damian Grant piece.
If you haven't read it, I think it's worth reading
just to understand how corporate New Zealand is feeling about
this government at the moment. What he says is they've
had two years. This is Luxel and Willis, They've had
two years Luxelm and Willis could lead National to defeat
next year or scrape back for another three anemic years
of prevarication, procrastination and pessimism. As I quoted to Nicola,

(01:15:39):
they have done nothing to indicate that they're willing to
take the unpopular but necessary reforms to prevent our accelerating
economic decline. The disappointment isn't in their failure, but in
their unwillingness to try and succeed. And if they do
not wish to do what is required, they should do
the honorable thing and stand aside for someone who is.
It's fair bit of that going on at the moment.
By the sound things eighteen past.

Speaker 3 (01:16:01):
Six together due for c Ellen Jane.

Speaker 2 (01:16:04):
Solely harbor Asset Management is with us. Hello Shane to
no Quai here, how are you very well? Thank you?
Busy day for the dairy sector announcements today. So you
had an announcement from Froontira.

Speaker 22 (01:16:15):
Yeah. So Fontira is obviously sold its mainland group business
to Talas, one of the big global groups, and it
announced a supply arrangement with them today basically a ten
year raw milk supply deal allow us both parties after
seven years to chop out with a thirty six months
notice keeping. Here is a good price for farm and
still based price of farm gate price plus some undisclosed

(01:16:37):
premiums link to volume and collection and so forth. And
really importantly their Fontier is expecting the same sort of
volumes they have been delivering into mainland. So about tree
and fifty million leaders similar levels of activity between the
two groups, and terms of Finnish goods as well, all
up a little a little bit of support for the
Fontira ship race up half percent to seven ninety five today.

Speaker 6 (01:16:58):
That's the Pontier shield of funds.

Speaker 2 (01:17:00):
Sorry, okay. And what about Sinnay?

Speaker 22 (01:17:02):
Yeah, so Sinlay has obviously been under pressure with rather
than high levels a debt and a bit of an
operating profit problem over the last year. They came out
with a result today. It was better than expected. But
really the key thing that drove the sheep price up
was up fifteen percent today to eighty one cents was
a sale of its North Island assets to Abbott for
just ever three in a million. That that is a

(01:17:23):
really helpful combining it with a better cash flo and
it actually takes care of most of Cinema is dead
at the moment, they haven't provided guidance. Management didn't provide guidance,
but they did talk about previous manufacturing problems that pretty
much resolved and they're actually seeing a strong customer demand,
so a much better day for SINEL.

Speaker 2 (01:17:40):
Now. We've been speaking to Nicola Willis just before about
the energy market report out this week. What's the market expecting.

Speaker 22 (01:17:47):
Yeah, so market's actually real they keyfully optimistic is probably
the less oputant. So we've got the government due to
announced at sugigin divention charges hopefully on Wednesday. There's the
end of the month that's said, and based on recent
minister's comments, the market's expecting changes to be pretty much
common sense adjustments rather than major interventions, and that days

(01:18:09):
these have announcements on Wednesday won't really materially impact their
current share prices or their company valuations. What we are
watching for the heather is measures that address things like
gas shortages, including potential for gas imports, some improved transparency
on hedging and assistance for retail market, some discussion about
hydro storage, about contingent hydro storage, and anything that really

(01:18:30):
streamlines this resource consenting process that while the market's not
expecting big shocks. There's a lot of focus on you know,
is it going to be just that? Is it going
to be a little bit of common sence?

Speaker 2 (01:18:40):
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Speaker 1 (01:19:41):
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Speaker 3 (01:19:50):
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Speaker 2 (01:19:51):
By the way, I meant to tell you what there's
some you know, basically the details of the Trump plans.
So the Trump twenty one point plan, we've got a
little bit of, you know, bits and pieces being pieced together.
It sounds basically like this is the peace plan for Gaza.
By the way, it sounds like obvious. It's going to
require the obvious stuff. The hostages to all be released,
Israel's troops to be withdrawed withdrawn and then it'll be

(01:20:11):
sort of staged how they do that. By the looks
of things, Humas has to leave. Hummus cannot be in
control of Gaza in any way. BENJAMINETNYA, who has confirmed
he would be prepared to offer Hummus some kind of immunity,
which suggests that I mean, if he's going Remember it
wasn't that long ago he was saying he's going to
wipe the whole lot of them out, So for him
to be talking about immunity does mean he's taking this seriously.

(01:20:33):
Probably one of the most interesting parts of this is
the rumors about Tony Blair being involved. So the apparently
how this would work is that he would lead a
governing authority that's supported by the UN and Golf nations.
It would be called geta Golf International Transitional Authority and
they would run it for about five years, be modeled
on the international administrations that have overseen East Timor and

(01:20:55):
Kosovo and so on before they transition to statehood. Initially
based in egypt southern border. Then it would go into
Gaza wants the strip of stable alongside a multinational force.
And then it's some stage once Blair has done his
five years, that handed back to the Palestinians. Now I
think at that stage somewhere after this is running. That's
the point at which New Zealand, probably by the sounds

(01:21:15):
of things, if you listen to what Nikolaula said, that's
the point at which we start recognizing a Palestinian state
six twenty six.

Speaker 3 (01:21:21):
There's no business like show business.

Speaker 2 (01:21:27):
Ever, so absolutely everybody is getting sued by the sounds
of things. Vanessa and Morossi was at the top of
her game in the two thousands, you remember her. It
turns out there was a property dispute with her own mum,
which has caused her massive issues.

Speaker 7 (01:21:42):
Now.

Speaker 2 (01:21:42):
The singer has spoken to sixty Minutes in Aussie about
her legal battle with her family and the issues it
still brings her. She successfully sued her mum in twenty
twenty three for sole ownership of her two properties, but
the two actually fell out a decade earlier after a
lot of Vanessa's money went missing and Vanessa found out
she was bankrupt. How much were you making, you know,

(01:22:03):
like around Tanmel.

Speaker 9 (01:22:05):
How surprised were you when you found out that you
couldn't service that mortgage?

Speaker 2 (01:22:12):
Wasn't happy because it just didn't make any sense. I
knew once I started asking the questions that this would
create a storm. She's now advocating for an Australian version
of a Cougan account. Now, I don't know if you
know what that I don't know what this was a
Cougan account is when you have a child entertainer and

(01:22:33):
a section of their finances get held in a cougan
account until they come of age. She says it could
have saved her family. She's gearing up now for her
twenty fifth anniversary tour. Was in the year two thousand
that she performed at the Sydney Olympic opening ceremony and
she's bringing the party back across Australia. Haven't listen to her?
Do you want to go to that party? Maybe? But

(01:22:56):
probably not. But you know the bird needs a dollar,
so you get out for out. Let's talk which this
is a reaction to those earthquake regulations. Next day, use talks.

Speaker 1 (01:23:04):
ATB whether it's macro, micro or just plain economics. It's
all on the Business Hour with Heather Duplicy, Allen and
Mas for insurance, convestments and Kiwi Safer.

Speaker 3 (01:23:21):
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Speaker 2 (01:23:24):
You were my hem aving Gray is with us out
of the UK in ten minutes time. Heather here, we
got offered and bought an apartment building in Wellington for
a million and then days later they on sold at
the three million. WTF is this legal? Very good question mal.
If you haven't caught up on this, this is just
breaking in the news right now. I'll get you across
it very soon, twenty four away from seven now. Staying

(01:23:47):
on property, property owners and engineering experts are welcoming the
shakeup of the earthquake building rules that we're announced by
Chris Pink today. Government is limiting the kind of buildings
that these rules will be applied to. We concrete buildings
three stories or higher, or buildings constructed with unreinforced masonry.
Leoni Freeman is the chief executive of the Property Institute
and with us Highlyoni.

Speaker 23 (01:24:07):
Hi, good afternoon.

Speaker 2 (01:24:08):
You're welcoming them too, Yes, very much.

Speaker 23 (01:24:11):
So we see it as a common sense approach that
still continues to preserve life safety, which is the key objective.
But it doesn't leave our communities as ghost towns, which
is what's been happening with so many derelict buildings and
small towns in our biggest cities.

Speaker 2 (01:24:26):
Like how quickly, realistically will some of those buildings open
up again, like Reading Cinema in Wellington or the Amora Hotel.

Speaker 23 (01:24:34):
Yeah, it's I mean, this legislation, this announcement today is
just the first step in it. So it will go
through and the legislation will be developed, and I understand
that the bill will be passed before the next year's election,
so is still a bit of time to go. But
what it has done is, you know, it's signaling to
the industry what is going to happen, and so I

(01:24:55):
think that is a positive thing. When it comes to
specific buildings, you know, we still have to see what
the detail is going to to that sits under it,
because they're talking about creating a new assessment tool and
we want to understand so the you know, for something
like the reading cinema cinema, we'd have to wait and
see the detail.

Speaker 2 (01:25:15):
How many stories is that.

Speaker 23 (01:25:18):
The reading symm cinema. I'm not sure. I'm not a Wellingtonian,
but I look very highly.

Speaker 4 (01:25:26):
I don't think so.

Speaker 23 (01:25:26):
It might be two or three years.

Speaker 2 (01:25:29):
So then basically it's it's all go, isn't it.

Speaker 23 (01:25:32):
No, you know, they've still got to do the assessment
because what they're trying to do with this is they
want to focus on the high risk buildings. And I
can't comment on the reading cinema to see whether it's
high risk or not, So I'm not making any comment
on that. But what it is doing is saying, instead
of having a blanket rule which sort of covers everybody

(01:25:52):
and everything, they're saying, we're going to be a lot
more nuanced, and it's going to be you know, whether
you're in an urban center or a smaller town, whether
it's three stories plus, which probably the reading cinema is,
and if you've got an unreinforced masonry buildings. So it's
focused on really trying to solve the problems that create

(01:26:14):
risk for people in buildings rather than a blanket approach.

Speaker 2 (01:26:17):
What do you think the impact on insurance will be.

Speaker 23 (01:26:21):
Yeah, that's a good question. Again, the more certainty we
can provide in the space, the better for everyone involved.
Because because the rules have kept changing and people, you know,
you can have different engineers go to a building and
somebody says, oh, it's fifty percent of the NBS or
new Building standard, and someone else says it's seventy percent,

(01:26:43):
and then an owner might upgrade a building, but then
in a few years after it they have to upgrade again.
It's just created a whole lot of uncertainty and people
have just stopped and said, well, we you know, and
we've seen a lot more buildings become derelict, empty and
not being updated. So I think once we get through this,

(01:27:03):
then you know the insurance premiums. I think you know
because they are targeted at what they perceive as risk,
and to me, this is part of that whole risk assessment.

Speaker 2 (01:27:14):
Leoni. By the way, have you caught up on this
business with the Dixon Street flats in Wellington?

Speaker 23 (01:27:19):
No, I can't say here.

Speaker 2 (01:27:20):
I'll go and read about. It'll fascinate you. Thank you
for your time. I really appreciated. Leoni Freeman, Chief Executive Property.

Speaker 3 (01:27:25):
Institute Heather do for Sellen.

Speaker 2 (01:27:27):
I'll bring you up to speed on it. So do
you remember a couple of couple of three weeks ago
I told you about what was possibly the bargain of
the century, Ko Kuying of Order State Housing Housing New
Zealand sold the Dixon Street apartments in Wellington to the
local EWEI for one million dollars. A bargain because hands

(01:27:47):
up in Auckland, who paid more than one million dollars
for one house? Never mind? What is it like one
hundred and seventeen units or something like that. It was just nuts.
It was completely nuts how cheap this building was. It
was just it's so many units sold for one million dollars. Anyway, Yeah,
there's a reason it was the bargain of the year,
and there's a reason we should have all looked at
that and thought that's but weird, because about two weeks

(01:28:09):
and six days later it's sold again for three million dollars.
So what happened is kainga order has a treaty settlement
and because of the treaty settlement they have to give
the first refusal, the first right of refusal to the
local ewe, Taranaki far Nui. Taranaki far Nui. The EWE
bought it for one point zero four million dollars in

(01:28:29):
June at the time. Because everybody who looked at that
and went um hmmm, seems a little underpriced. KO was
obviously asked about it, and KO said it was comfortable
that the price reflected the unique value of the building.
But then the trouble was two weeks six days later,
Taranaki far Nui on sells the whole building for three
million dollars to Ian Castle's and the Wellington Company, who

(01:28:51):
are quite well known developers in Wellington. Now do you
think that KO are a bunch of numpties who made
under sold the building, because that's basically what it looks like.
I mean, Ian Castle's is sitting there ready to buy
it for three million dollars. Ian can't buy it because
he's not the local EWI. But maybe if they'd sold
it to the local EWI first for I don't know,

(01:29:13):
let's say two point nine to five million, then then
they would have only made fifty thousand on selling it
the local E which just made a little bit of
money on selling it to Ian Castle's instead, local EWE
has just made two million dollars basically being the go between.
This is this the kind of country we want to
live in? By the way, where you have to sell it,
You have to sell it to the local EWE because

(01:29:34):
they get the first right of refusal and they can
basically dictate what price they're going to buy it for.
That apparently is what happened here, and then they can
just on sell it and just clip the ticket for
two million dollars for being the local EWEI. That's not
cool as it anyway, I would imagine that. No, the
answer to that question is no, you do not want
to live in that kind of country. And this is
going to be news tomorrow. I would imagine, I think

(01:29:56):
we're going to be all over this like a little rash.
Aren't we speaking about the things that should actually get
some news. I should have brought this to your attention earlier.
The Reserve Bank has done a review of how it
completely mismanaged inflation during COVID, because you'll remember that, of
course they went, oh, spend, spend, spend, pump money, pump money,
pump money. Oh, look the rates going high, keep pump
inflation's up, keep pumping money. And then when inflation was

(01:30:17):
very high and they were still pumping money, they were
we should change that. They have done a review in hindsight,
says the chief economist Paul Conway. In hindsight, an earlier
or more aggressive tightening might have reduced inflation sooner, but
this would have been given difficult given the data available
at the time. What a clown. First of all. First

(01:30:40):
of all, in hindsight, yes, applying the brake does stop
the car. Well done, I'm glad you're driving so now.
So Paul has just acknowledged how the OCR. There's an
alternative headline here, which is Reserve Bank learns how the
OCR works. So I'm glad that Paul has realized how
the ocr works. And yes, in hindsight that would have
also been the case. But then also this would have

(01:31:01):
been difficult given the data available at the time. That's
a croc. And don't believe it because at the time
Brad Olsen and probably Jared Gilbert because he should be
our Reserve Bank economist, Brad Olsen. Definitely what did I say,
Jared Wah, thank you, Jared Kurt's holiday brain, Jared Kerr
who should be the Reserve Bank governor, Jared Kirk. But

(01:31:22):
definitely Brad Olsen was saying at the time, you have
to apply the brakes. This is getting out of control.
So when Paul says it would have been difficult given
the data available at the time, not really. Because other
people saw all of the same data and made different
and came to different conclusions. All that it should tell
you is that unfortunately, at the time when we needed
them to be really, really good at their jobs, the
people at the Reserve Bank just sucked sixteen away from seven.

Speaker 3 (01:31:44):
Everything from SMEs to the big corporates.

Speaker 1 (01:31:47):
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Speaker 3 (01:31:55):
News talks'd be.

Speaker 2 (01:31:57):
Gavin Gray, UK correspondents with ours. Hello, Gavin, Hi, haven't
got the Russians intends to spy for them?

Speaker 24 (01:32:05):
Well, that's partially one of the avenues of investigation that
the Dutch police are looking at. Two seventeen year old
boys have been arrested on suspicion of quote state interference
in the Netherlands, it can be said, in a case
with reported links to Russian spying. So what do we
know the details of sparse, but we do know the
pair were allegedly contacted by pro Russian hackers on the

(01:32:29):
messaging app Telegram. The Dutch media reporting that one of
the boys allegedly walked past the offices of Europole So
that's European Police eurous, that's the European Justice buildings and
the Canadian embassy all in the Hague, carrying what's called
a Wi Fi sniffer. Now, for the uninitiated, this is
a device which basically allows you, if you can get
near a Wi Fi signal, to possibly identify it and

(01:32:53):
then intercept the network it's working from. The teenagers have appeared.

Speaker 3 (01:32:57):
Before a judge. One of the boys has been remanded.
The other has.

Speaker 24 (01:33:01):
Been allowed home, but on street bail conditions and rather interesting.
One of the boys fathers said to a Dutch newspaper
that the police had arrested his son while he was
doing his homework, and he said police had told him
the arrest was related to espionage and rendering services to
a foreign country. The teenagers described as computer savvy and
having a fascination for hacking, all while holding a job

(01:33:23):
down to the supermarket.

Speaker 2 (01:33:24):
Lord, hey, listen, is it quite possible that Israel doesn't
get to participat in Eurovision?

Speaker 24 (01:33:30):
I think it's looking more and more likely. The Eurovision
Song Contest, this annual festival of music where each country
puts forward a song and everyone else vhotes on it
is always saying, look, we're not political. We are, you know,
we just don't want any politics. This is all about
music and peace and harmony. But more and more countries
are lining up to say, if Israel takes part this year,

(01:33:51):
as you allowed it to last year despite protests, if
Israel takes pass in the May contest, we will not
come now. This all started with a couple of countries,
but it's been much much more widened since those original
people said that Ireland, the Netherlands, Slovenia, Iceland and Spain
all said that they would either drop out or be

(01:34:12):
likely to drop out if Israel's involvement is continued. So
now the European Broadcasting Union is confirmed, it will invite
sixty eight member countries who knew there were that many,
to give their view at a General Assembly meeting in
early November. A decision would then be taken by a
simple majority. So if more than fifty percent of those
members vote to exclude Israel, and the country will not

(01:34:33):
be allowed to take part in twenty twenty six.

Speaker 2 (01:34:36):
But at least the kebab situation has resolved.

Speaker 24 (01:34:40):
Ah, well, this is a story that I know will
be close to many people's hearts. Kebabs in this country
often sort of delivered out of the back of takeaway
vans and often late at night when you've had a
few beers. But the Turks, and this was of course
the kebab don a kebab originally from Turkey. The Turks
applied for traditional specialty guarantee labels. Now what that effectively

(01:35:01):
means is, look, this is a regional dish. We want
to keep it original, authentic, and that means that basically
there were a number of things they wanted to make
sure and ensure that people had to follow if it
was going to be called Donica bab. First of all,
the meat would have to come from a cowaged over
sixteen months, lamb aged at least six months. Chicken thighs
or breasts were allowed, Vealin Turkey meat would be banned.

(01:35:25):
Meat would have to be sliced to a thickness of
three to five millimeters head up, and the type of
knife would be regulated. Marinade subject to rules too. Now
that meant, of course that lots of people were up
in arms. Donika babs are huge in Germany alone, where
there are more than one point five million Turkish citizens.
It is a massive industry of its own, said to

(01:35:46):
be worth roughly five billion New Zealand dollars in Germany alone.
The idea they were going to dictate what type of
knife you could use and the thickness of the meat, well,
that certainly was something that the Europeans were complaining about.
And now Turkey has dropped that application too.

Speaker 2 (01:36:02):
Right, Hey, thank you very much, Gavin, appreciate it. Talk
to you in a couple of days. Kevin Gray, a
UK correspondent, by the way, staying in Europe, and this
is actually a lot of us are going to listen
to this and think this is a good idea. Zurich
has voted to ban the leaf blowers and the leaf
suckers if they run on petrol, because over in Zurich
they've got the direct democracy, you know, where they can
where citizens can basically if they get a certain number

(01:36:24):
of votes. Again I don't think it's an unreasonable number
of votes, so they can get they can basically launch
their own referendu and then it goes out to a vote,
and then they get to vote and the thing becomes
a thing. Anyway, they've done this. They've banned the leaf
blowers and they've banned the leaf suckers if they run
on the petrol. The electric ones are okay because the
electric ones, as you well know from your own Saturday
and Sunday mornings, are quieter. But even the electric ones

(01:36:47):
are only allowed to run between October and December, which
of course for them is late autumn early winter, and
that's it. Now. I think that's going a little overboard,
and I don't mind if they use the leaf blowers
and the leaf suckers any time of the year, as
long as they're electric. But it's the only time I
hate the fossil fuel. It's the only time I hate it.
It's when it's running one of those little machines. Eight

(01:37:09):
away from seven.

Speaker 1 (01:37:10):
It's the Heather Tipsy Allan Drive full show podcast on
iHeartRadio powered by News Talk zeb Here.

Speaker 2 (01:37:18):
The first rite of refusal at market rates is settlement procedure.
KO was slack non they were negligent with Crown money.
Someone or whole departments should be sacked. So can't wait
for this exciting thing tomorrow. We're already putting in the calls,
aren't we. We're already putting in the calls to KAO
because I think we're all going to want to talk
about this tomorrow. Five away from seven. By the way,
need to update you. I was just thinking about j

(01:37:40):
Low actually yesterday because we're listening to Jenny on the
Block on the holidays. She's reflected on her last year
and her divorce from Ben Affleck.

Speaker 25 (01:37:48):
It was it was a tough time. Yeah, it was
a really tough time.

Speaker 2 (01:37:52):
Now she's doing interviews for her new movie, which is
called Kiss of the Spider Woman, which Ben Affleck helped finance.

Speaker 25 (01:37:57):
It was like the best in the worst of times
in a way, because it was every moment on set
and every moment I was doing this role, I was
so happy. And then it was like back home it
was not great and it was just like, oh, you know,
how do I reconcile this?

Speaker 8 (01:38:16):
But you get through it.

Speaker 2 (01:38:17):
And then the inshuricans. The split was the best thing
that happened to her.

Speaker 25 (01:38:20):
I have to say it was the best thing that
ever happened to me because it changed me.

Speaker 3 (01:38:26):
It didn't change me.

Speaker 25 (01:38:28):
It helped me grow in a way that I needed
to grow, become more self aware. I'm a different person
now than I was last year.

Speaker 2 (01:38:37):
That was a sham marriage, wasn't It was a sham engagement?
I think, wasn't it? Andy? It was make you believe me?

Speaker 26 (01:38:42):
Yeah, it seems a little bit like that. It doesn't
it anyway? Hither I've I've got a bad statue alert.
We always get some of these stories. So music legend
Tina Tuna, She's been supposedly honored with a statue on
air Community of Browns Bulteina. Is that what these pictures
have I've given you some pictures. I have a look
at those for us.

Speaker 4 (01:38:59):
Here for them.

Speaker 2 (01:39:00):
Yeah, go on, go on, it's quite on that. It's
quite bad. Oh, I guess, so what it is. It's
Tina Turner sort of legs of Timbo doing the song.
You know, she's she's busy doing simply the best or
something like that. But that hair that they have given

(01:39:22):
her is just disproportionately big.

Speaker 26 (01:39:24):
Isn't It's it's like they've made it for two different statues,
like they've got the sizes of the body for the
heir wrong. It's it's as if the statue is meant
to be about ten meters taller and x y z.

Speaker 2 (01:39:37):
Why it's not Tina's hair. That's something for a kiss.
But also the other problem is then you see her
face and it looks like she's got a mouth cut on.
It's absolute for hideous. You get a story like this
every single year.

Speaker 26 (01:39:49):
We've all seen the old Christiana Ronaldo ones and it's
just who screens the I wonder if that we feel
bad for statue makers who go through all this effort
and then suck.

Speaker 2 (01:40:00):
Because once you've cast today, I mean that's a lot
of effort. Then you go on and the material is expensive,
isn't it.

Speaker 9 (01:40:05):
Yeah, keeps saying, oh, we better roll it out. We've
made it.

Speaker 2 (01:40:09):
Yeah, No, I'd go just melt it down.

Speaker 9 (01:40:11):
Yes, try it again, try again, We'll get it online.
It's hilarious.

Speaker 2 (01:40:15):
I could have done better than that. Anyway, Thank you, Andy,
that was worth it. See you tomorrow, Have a lovely evening.

Speaker 1 (01:40:42):
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