Full Show Podcast: 30 September 2025

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Speaker 1 (00:01):
The only drive show you can try the truck to
ask the questions, get the answers, find a fag sack
and give the analysis. Heather Duplicy Ellen, Drive with One
New Zealand and the Power of Satellite Mobile News Talks.

Speaker 2 (00:15):
ENV Afternoon, Welcome to the show coming up today on
the Trump Garza piece deal. We're going to speak to
former Blair advisor Tony Blair advisor John McTurnan on whether
this plan will work, the CTU on how much it's
going to cost to fix the electricity sector the way
they want to, which is to renationalize the Gen Taylor's
and then the weird spat about the horse riders being
banned from the Awtucky Living Pathway.

Speaker 3 (00:37):
Heather Duplicy Ellen.

Speaker 2 (00:39):
So after Trump and Benjamin NETTNYA, who's press conference this
morning today may be a turning point for peace in
the Middle East, or it may not be because so
much remains uncertain, doesn't it, including and probably absolutely, I
would say, most importantly whether Hamas is going to agree
to this deal or not? And who can say because
it's Hamas not really rational actors, are they, But either

(01:00):
it feels like, don't you get the impression. They're a
little bit snookered by what happened this morning, by the
fact that Trump and Benyamin Netanya, who went out and
publicly said we're on board with the steal is Hamas.
They feel snookered because if Hamas is good at one thing,
it's propaganda, isn't it. Somehow they've managed to turn themselves
from the murdering terrorists that they actually are into some
sort of heroic freedom fighters in the eyes of some

(01:21):
people in the West. Now, that's a story that's going
to be very hard to maintain if they do end
up saying no to the steal within the next three days,
because this deal means peace basically immediately. Yes, Hamas would
be required to give up a lot. They would have
to give up control of Gaza. They would never ever
be able to be in any way involved in the
running of the place. But so with Israel. Israel would

(01:43):
have to give up quite a lot as well. Israel
would have to grant Hamas clemency. Remember, these are people
that Israel vowed to take out completely. But at least
the people of Gaza would be free of the war,
and the people of Gaza would be fed and an
administration would be set up to run Gaza in what
does feel like a first step, an interim step, if
you like, towards what could become a state of Palestine.

(02:05):
So it is basically what Hamas has fought for, and
it also ends the suffering of the innocent, except they
just can't be part of it. Trump's agreed, Netanyahoo's agreed.
The only people left to agree are Hamas, and if
they say no to the deal, it's going to be
very hard for anyone to carry on with the pretense
that Hamas are good guys or even bad guys motivated
by good ends.

Speaker 3 (02:25):
Good Heather do for ce Ellen, I swear to God
as serve.

Speaker 2 (02:30):
Nineteen nineteen is the text number standard text feez apply now.
It sounded like the deal of the century when Kayinger
Order sold Wellington's Dixon Street flats for just over one
million dollars, and it turns out was the deal of
the century because just what two weeks and six days
later or something like that, the new owners, the Wellington
e We Taranaki fannui on sold the property to a
developer for three million dollars. Ben McNulty is a Wellington

(02:54):
City councilor and with us Hey Ben good sounds like
a rubbish deal for the taxpayer, wasn't it.

Speaker 4 (03:01):
Look the building was in such a state When you
actually do the maths on it, even at the three million,
it's less than twenty five thousand dollars an apartment, which
speaks about the actual potential to do that building. So yes,
the taxpayer has missed out. But the opportunity cost of
this is that we have another Gordon Wilson Flats. I
mean you've got almost a two hundred meters straight line
between Dickson Street Flats and the Gordon Wilson Flats. That

(03:22):
was the opportunity cost of you know, bartering and leaving
it for a long time from the Wellington perspective, which
is glad to see something happening.

Speaker 2 (03:28):
And I can understand that. But you didn't have to.
They didn't have to barter for a long time. They
could have just gone to Ian Castle's and said the
ew we don't want to pay any more than a million,
how much are you going to pay?

Speaker 4 (03:37):
Might have got three yeah, because it's actually ewe land.
It wouldn't have They had right of first refusal through legislation.
Was my understanding. So yeah, probably weren't going to get
to that position where.

Speaker 2 (03:49):
Why not been I thought the right of first refusal
was that that you get the right to literally refuse,
and then after that, if you refuse or if you
can't strike a deal, KO can sell as anyone else.

Speaker 4 (04:01):
Look, I'd have to look into what the specifics of
deer web, but my understanding was basically it would sort
of a nucky father. He had a lot of delegation,
whether that with what they want to do with it
or not. And again that's for me, it's all about
the outcome through Milia one million, it's not it's a
drop in the bucket for the taxpayer.

Speaker 2 (04:18):
Ben is the land underneath owned by the EWE, is it? Yes,
So anything that happens above that land they have a stake.

Speaker 4 (04:27):
In it, that's my understanding with it as well.

Speaker 2 (04:30):
Yes, So that would suggest so is this more than
just a right of refer first refusal?

Speaker 4 (04:37):
Again, I had to you know, sorry to be on
the back end of this one. But my understanding I
just had the sort of high level discussions on this,
is that the e WE had a claim on it
through either a treaty claim or through land ownership, and
that gave them more than a right of first refuge
or a strong right to actually be able to determine
what happens.

Speaker 3 (04:53):
With that land.

Speaker 2 (04:54):
So rather than a right of refer first refusal, this
is sounding like a right to basically say, yep, we're taken,
and these are the terms on which we'll take it.
Basically call the shots.

Speaker 4 (05:04):
Look, I at this point now I need to go
back into the actual specifics, because you can render this
as a deal between can Order and Tallanuki far there.
It's not a city council.

Speaker 2 (05:12):
No, I understand.

Speaker 4 (05:14):
You know. My interest is much more obviously and not
turning into a stagnant urban old Wellington's already in malays
What is the.

Speaker 2 (05:20):
Piece of legislation that what is the treaty settlement?

Speaker 4 (05:23):
Here again again, I really have no perspective, So I
don't want to just make basically.

Speaker 2 (05:31):
Okay, now what happens to it now?

Speaker 4 (05:34):
So Ian Castle's he runs Wellington Company. He does a
lot of conversions of office buildings into residential units. He
does that for the council for a program we've got
called tech Kanga. So there's no one in the city
who's doing more conversions than Ian Castle's at the moment.
My understanding is that he's looking to do something where
Tallanuki farm and he will have some units available for
the EWE for housing, but he's obviously got to make

(05:55):
a profit of swell on it, so he's got to
then convert and actually be able to sell some of
those unit. It's onwards. So basically taking a nineteen sixties
building that's dilapidated, cold, earthquake prone and renovating it and
strengthening it for the twenty first century and putting one
hundred and fifteen you know, new warm, dry flats and
rentals in the middle of the CBD.

Speaker 2 (06:14):
Okay, so this is good. It's gone from state housing
to being something else. Now is it going to be
owner occupied? It's going to be private.

Speaker 4 (06:21):
I imagine that the ownership depends what he wants to
do in terms of I imagine the ere we will have
a stake in it. That's my understanding. They will say
some units must be allocated for here. Where do they
own that? Is it a joint benure partnership. I'm not
sure what structure of that is. But then he still
needs to be able to make his income. So whether
he does a rental model where he actually owns the
units and he actually just returns a rental for it,

(06:42):
or where he decides to actually onsell it. But the
key thing it's housing capacity right in the city center.

Speaker 2 (06:47):
Hey, by the way, while I've got you, Ben, have
you had a look yet? If you guys, as the
city council had to look and to win, you know
how the shakeup of the earthquake rules yesterday will affect
the likes of Reading Cinema and the Amora Hotel and
all those places that are still shut up.

Speaker 5 (07:00):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (07:00):
I mean there was a flurry of emails even starting
yesterday before the announcement town stuff saying please can we
find out this, this and this and basically the responses
and to we have some more legislative detail. The antswers
are going to be a bit sparing at the moment.
But from just what Chris Pink's announced, with the two
stories under concrete not netting to be strengthened, I think
the most educated guess is we don't have to strengthen
slash demolish the old Capital E building, which means that

(07:22):
the city to See bridge is very likely to be
able to be remediated and saved. So I think that's
probably the one guess that we've got to take away
at the moment. The other ones we need to just
wait and see. But my hope is that if they can't,
they can be remediated or potentially at a lower cost,
because the ticking time home but no one wants Wellington
to confront is to Michael Fowler Center, but it's on
the same oil and surface to town Hall. It's another

(07:43):
beloved venue. I don't think you could ever get a
city council brave enough to save bowl the Michael Fowler Center.
But at the same time, does Wellington have the tolerance
for another two hundred million dollars strengthening project by here?

Speaker 2 (07:54):
Yeah, thank you very much, being appreciated, Ben McNulty, Wellington
City councilor now don't be mean to be in for
not no when what he was talking about there, Because
Ben was doing us an absolute solid coming on and
telling us what he did know. Because no no one
else wanted to talk about this. We called kayinga order
who can quite clearly suck it doing deals and they

(08:16):
could have sold the thing to Ian Castle's for three
million dollars, but they sold it to another lot for
one million dollars, who then clipped the ticket for two
million dollars themselves. Thanks very much. Ja's kind order suck,
don't they Anyway? They didn't want to come on the
radio and talk about it. I think for obvious reasons.
I think you can see why. Then we asked the
minister Chris Bishop, can he come on and talk about
what a balls up his department has made here. He

(08:38):
didn't want to come on the radio and talk about
it because actually he has previously praised the EWE for
getting involved in this deal, so this has become a
but all quick or kies for him. We asked the
EWE if they would come on. They didn't want to
come on, probably for obvious reasons as well, because this
starts to feel bloody awkward about them just being like
kachin Kaching, thanks very much for taxpayer money. But then
we asked, and this is where it gets really weird.

(08:58):
Then we ask the act part Cameron Luxton to come
on the show and talk about it, because he's the
one who brought it to everyone's attention yesterday when he
put out a press release and said KO would scam themselves.
Cameron doesn't want to talk about it. Cameron's busy all day.
Now when someone is busy, like, come on, think about
your life. No one's busy all day. I'm not busy
all day. I can find five minutes in my day

(09:19):
to go on the radio if I really wanted to.
If you're busy all day, it's because you don't want
to go on the radio. So even Cameron doesn't want
to talk about it. Isn't that we that's weird, A
that's really strange anyway. All you know though, is you
just lost two million dollars worth of taxpayer money because
somebody at KO sucks at their job and sold it
to the EWE instead of Ian. Seventeen past four.

Speaker 1 (09:39):
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Speaker 2 (09:47):
Heather Ben doesn't know the facts here. Taranakifarnui has just
played a blinder. Has Castles had a back to back
deal with them all along, guaranteeing them two million dollars
for fronting the deal so that there never was an
open market and open market tender question mark? Taranaki Farnui
and Castles appear to have just won in the taxpayers
have lost Paul, thank you well said twenty past four.

Speaker 1 (10:08):
Good sport with tad in play bed with real time
odds and stats are eighteen Bed responsibly.

Speaker 2 (10:14):
Got Nick Bewley and he's hosting sports Talk tonight. Hei Nick, Hello, Heather. Okay,
should we put a team into the big T twenty
Big Bash thing? I mean we should the Big Bash thing.

Speaker 6 (10:24):
Yeah, the Australian Big Bash that's been going for the
best part of I think up to the fifteenth year
going into this summer. This is big money. They've been
onto a winner really for quite some time and probably
outside of the IPL, the Indian Premier League, this is
the number two franchise T twenty competition. This is sort
of bubbled away for quite some time in terms of

(10:44):
them looking to expand. At the moment, it's an eight
team competition and it's run via all the states in Australia, Queensland,
New South Wales and soign and so forth. However, they're
looking at privatization and expansion, looking at New Zealand, looking
at Singapore, other markets. For US, we've had this domestic
T twenty supersmash competition for some time, but it doesn't

(11:04):
really it just doesn't quite hit the mark in terms
of you know, it's got that sort of summer barbecue vibe.
It fits a purpose, but it's not the Big Bash.
It's not the fireworks and excitement that T twenty cricket
can provide. So I think he's youlling cricket well, very
smart and finally giving this some considerable thought, getting outside
a perspective in commissioning a report and seeing what is possible,

(11:26):
because I think as we see this ever changing landscape
of cricket, you don't want to get left behind and
I think there's an opportunity to be had there.

Speaker 2 (11:35):
Yeah, Now how much of a money spinner is it? Well,
I don't know that.

Speaker 6 (11:39):
The devil's always in the detail, but I think it
would make more money than what the Super Smash does.
In fact, there's been reports that the Super Smash runs
at a considerable loss. So I think, particularly early on,
that'd be a fair bit of interest in an Australian
team coming over, whether there would be games at Eden
Park or sky Stadium at Wellington for example. I think,

(12:00):
you know, if we look at other Australian you know, leagues,
when New Zealand have sporting teams such as the Warriors
and the Breakers and Auckland FC and the Wellington Phoenix.
I feel like there is there's some genuine optimism and
around that that cricket can catch on to this because
like it alough that we're you know, we're pretty isolated geographically.
Otherwise it feels like if we're not going with Australia,
we're just going to be left here by ourselves and

(12:20):
doing our own thing.

Speaker 2 (12:21):
Yeah, it's a fair point to make. Hey, listen, does
Jamie joseph appointment to coaching the All Blacks fifteen is this?
Is this a bit of a threat to raise it?

Speaker 6 (12:30):
I don't think so.

Speaker 1 (12:31):
No.

Speaker 6 (12:32):
I had Jamie Joseph just spoke to him just moments ago.
Actually he's going to jump on the sports talk show
later tonight. And actually I sort of joked and said,
you know, there's any perceived awardness about because you know
this All Blacks fifteen is very much a developmental side.
You know, players will come and go from the All
Blacks fifteen while the All Blacks are on their end
ofview tour over in Europe. So basically you're at the
mercy of whatever Razer wants. You can drop a player back.

(12:53):
You can pull a player up to the top team.
And he just sort of laughed me off. He just,
you know, he said, you know, it's all part of
professional coach mate.

Speaker 3 (13:00):
You know.

Speaker 6 (13:00):
So I don't think to answer your question it's a
threat to h But I think it's a really smart
appointment by new Zenger and Ragula. This is a guy
who knows a lot about the international game. He's now
back within our system with the Highlanders and still has
a lot to offer and can help either unearthed and
or develop some of our up and coming talents. So
I'm really excited to see what Jamie Joseph can do
with this All Blacks fifteenth Good.

Speaker 2 (13:21):
Point, Nick, Thanks very much. Nick Berley hosting Sports Took tonight.
By the way, he's got Chris kens On to have
a chat about the t twenty four to twenty three.

Speaker 1 (13:29):
The name you trumped to get the answers you need,
it's Heather Dupla c Ellen Drive with one New Zealand
coverage like no one else news talk.

Speaker 3 (13:38):
They'd be Hi, Heather.

Speaker 2 (13:40):
If the apartment building was in such a bad state, wine,
did it have a rtable value of eighteen million dollars yet? Anthony,
very good point that that was the the RV was
eighty I think was the RV was eighteen million sold
for one Okyo, you suck. I'm reading Grant Robertson's book
at the moment, By the way, avoid if you can.
I'm reading it so you don't have to read it,
and I will do the review. We'll have our book

(14:01):
club and in it, he tells because he works for
Helen Clark for a bit, and he tells the story
about how one day somebody I get the feeling he
doesn't love Helen because she was quite a hard task master. Anyway,
he tells the story about how one time somebody wrote
her a speech and faxed it through because it was
still the days of the fax machine, and she went
through it with a red pen, and then she wrote

(14:21):
it then faxed it back to the person and she
wrote at the top of it, I don't know who
you are or what your job is, but you're not
very good at it. And I just feel like somebody
needs to send that to these people in Ko me,
like you need to stop buying and selling guys. You
suck so badly. Anyway, Oh Jesus so much. I need
to talk to you about here I'm parrotting on really

(14:42):
quick update on Dame Knowles. Now, Dame Knowles. You may
recall I mentioned this on the show yesterday. Dame Knowles
is understood to be meeting with Netbull New Zealand today.
Given that it's full twenty seven, she'll have had the
meeting by now. I would have thought in this to
resolve the difference is we should know. I would imagine
this is quite a prediction. We're going to know by
Sunday the outcome of this meeting because the team goes

(15:04):
into camp on Monday, and so she's either there or
she's not. So fingers crossed that Dame Knowles is back anyway.
Lots to tell you about still, So Standby News is next.

Speaker 3 (15:27):
Hard questions, strong opinion.

Speaker 1 (15:30):
Here the dup Sell and Drive with One New Zealand
Tandha Power of Satellite Mobile News Talk said, be could
you take me.

Speaker 2 (15:41):
Right, barrysp It's going to be with us in ten minutes.
On politics now, Tony Blair, we discussed this on the
show yesterday. Tony Blair is part of this deal, part
of this idea, the peace Plan for Gaza, in that
he will run a sort of like interim administration, and
now Donald Trump has inserted himself into this as well.
But Blair will basically run an interim at administration in Gaza,

(16:02):
kind of like what happened in Kosovo between warring and
then actually being a State and East team or and
you know, there are a couple of examples like that,
and and Blair is actually, despite his involvement in quite
a significant Middle Eastern war, he's actually appears to be
reasonably well respected in the Middle East, hence his role here. Anyway,
one of his former advisors, Chap called John McTurnan, it's

(16:25):
going to be us after five and tell us what
he thinks actually the what does the likelihood this plan
Ashley succeed. So as I say, he's with us after five,
and it's twenty four away from at the moment, it's.

Speaker 1 (16:36):
The world wires on youth talks, he'd be drive.

Speaker 2 (16:40):
Now Trump reckons this peace deal between Humas and Israel
is quote beyond very close. Still no word from Hamas
on it. But if they reject the deal, Metnya, who's
been given the all clear by Trump to finish the job.

Speaker 7 (16:50):
This could be done the easy way, or it can
be done the hardware. But it will be done. All
these goals must be achieved because we didn't fight this
horrible fight, sacrifice the finest of our young men to
help hermas stay in Gaza and threaten us again and

(17:12):
again and again.

Speaker 2 (17:13):
Now, the US government could shut down as early as
tomorrow if Republicans and Democrats can't agree on a new
spending bill. Democrats want more support for health care, like
cheaper insurance and reversing Trump's cuts to Medicaid. The Republicans
control Congress, but don't have enough Senate votes to pass
their bill without Democratic support.

Speaker 8 (17:29):
They have the Presidency, they have the House, they have
the Senate. They are flailing and failing to govern. So
if they want to keep this government from shutting down,
they need to actually put forward a path to doing that.

Speaker 2 (17:42):
And finally, boxer Tyson Fury's daughter, Venezuela has got engaged,
which is very exciting and her boyfriend also happens to
be a boxer proposed to her at her birthday party
for her sixteenth birthday, which is slightly alarming. The parents
say their shocks, but very happy.

Speaker 1 (18:02):
International correspondence with ends and eye insurance. Peace of mind
for New Zealand business.

Speaker 2 (18:08):
Murriol's az He corresponding with us.

Speaker 3 (18:09):
Now, hey, mus get it either.

Speaker 9 (18:12):
You wouldn't want to cross your father, nor would you
if you Now.

Speaker 2 (18:15):
Well you're a boxer two. So it could get quite exciting,
couldn't it.

Speaker 9 (18:19):
Yeah, well that's true. Yeah, yeah yeah.

Speaker 2 (18:21):
Now what are you guys doing? You're building lasers, are you?

Speaker 10 (18:24):
Well?

Speaker 9 (18:24):
This is the news story out of Canberra today and
this is a company in Cambra called EOS. No one's
known much about it until today, and the story goes,
there's a brand new deal for Australia to sell a
homemade laser, a laser that's capable of destroying up to
twenty drones a minute, as I say, developed in Canberra

(18:47):
and apparently at least one NATO countries that has bought
it for delivering in eighteen months. It's faster and cheaper.
The current way to get rid of drones apparently used
to hit them with cannons or miss Now that this drone,
you know, like a standard warfare drone, say a thousand dollars,

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but it takes a half million dollar missile to bring
it down. EOS says it's new laser can kill a
drone for one dollar a shot, and it can knock
over multiples in a minute. Now, there's this too good
to be true. So many stories over here, as you
well know how that have been reported down the years
about this new or this new widget, or you know,
some other little object that's going to revolutionize Australia's defense industries.

(19:31):
They all come to nothing. They've hyped up beyond measure.
But I'll tell you what, if it's got any legs
at all, it makes a nice counterpoint for Anthony Alban
easy to take to the Oval office this month. Well
in October, I beg your pardon to tell Donald Trump
we are doing a bit more than you maybe are
aware of.

Speaker 2 (19:51):
What is the retail chain from the Middle East that's
going to come and break up your supermarket situation?

Speaker 9 (19:57):
Again, never heard of it until this afternoon, but apparent
areally Lulu lu Lu is the biggest player in the
Middle East in the supermarket business. Now you know it's
over here. It's basically a duopoly. Woolworth controls almost forty
percent of the supermarket business, Coals around thirty percent. Eldie's

(20:18):
been here for if I said a decade, maybe a
whisker longer. Heather they've got nine percent the oldie, the
German company, and IGA's got around the same. So a
new player would hopefully drive down prices because, as I say,
Coles and Woolworths have got the whole joints sewn up,
very very profitable. In fact, according to the Competition and
Consumer Commission over here among the most profitable submarkets anywhere

(20:43):
in the world. So we are paying to the nose
for the privilege of shopping at Woolworths and Coals. Well,
this may be another little stick the government can bash
the big ones. With Anthony Albanezi stopped over on the
way home from London, was given the red carpet treatment
there in the UNI our remembirates and he's invioted becoming
set up in Australia.

Speaker 2 (21:03):
And have they seek years.

Speaker 9 (21:06):
I think it's too early, elbows on the way home.
So at this point in the afternoon, I'm not sure
if they've said yes or not, but it wouldn't surprise
because here's the thing. They've been involved in talks for
a while. This is like the cherry on top of
the cake with the icing.

Speaker 2 (21:20):
Okay, let's see how that goes. I'm quite interested in
that now. What's going to happen with Optus?

Speaker 9 (21:25):
Well, Goodness knows, this is a company in buddy crisis.
I mean this month, right, they had a routine standard
security upgrade. It was getting driven out of India and
out of Australia and for some inexplicable reason they think
it's human error. But for around thirteen to forteen hours,

(21:45):
the triple zero emergency call service was not working. The
rest of the network was working. The standard calls between
you and your husband, the children and whatnot, they were
all working. So it wasn't for quite some time before
they worked out the emergency calls weren't getting through.

Speaker 11 (22:02):
And three people died. Another outage on Sunday just gone.
Now Optic is in a mile of trouble, a mile
of pain. Goodness knows what consumers think of it. If
they're not running away at one thousand miles an hour,
there's something wrong with them. And the federal government saying listen,
you're a major carrier in the Australian marketplace. You've got
to do better. You can't do this. They had another
big outage back in twenty twenty three, another fourteen hour shutdown.

Speaker 9 (22:26):
Now, good you know the government is insisting now on
more transparency. It wants an external regulator to oversight the
whole business, and it wants a hell of a lot
more robust system that if Telstra or voter Phone or
any other business is upgrading their security systems and for
whatever reason there's a blackout, it automatically switches to another

(22:48):
carrier with no webs or butts. You can't have people dying, Heather,
for want of someone picking up the phone to a
triple zero call.

Speaker 2 (22:56):
That's a very good point that you make, miss Thank
you was always appreciate it. Murray Old's Australia crosspond. By
the way, Orcust is safe by the looks the things
that Pentagon's done that reporting to whether they want to
go ahead with aucas, I've said yes, Heather.

Speaker 3 (23:07):
Du for Sela.

Speaker 2 (23:08):
Now can we talk about this flyover that happened at
the Rugby. I completely forgot to talk to you about
this yesterday because there was just so much going on.
But there was the flyover. Do you remember that with
the two Air Force planes. Turns out that cost twenty
thousand dollars. Now I don't care that that cost twenty
thousand dollars because how this works is that they have

(23:28):
to keep the planes in the air for a certain
number of hours, right, so you may as well use
one of them as a flyover. It's better than flying
over Mount Eden Park than just flying over the sea,
which is the alternative. So it doesn't really it's not
really like which to say there's a cost is not
really a cost, do you know. I mean the cost
is going to be borne by us anyway, so it's
just put on. But why why did we do that?

Speaker 9 (23:52):
What?

Speaker 2 (23:52):
How weird was that flyover? That flyover was the weirdest
thing I've seen in ages because it's a flex, right,
that's why you do it. You put your planes up
to be like, hey, we've got plans. But why did
we fly it over for the Wallabies and not the
spring Box? Because the spring Box flexed with their plane
over us. To remember, remember when they flew the plane
over in Cape Town right in the middle of the
haka and we got really annoyed about it. So surely,

(24:15):
if we were going to fly over anybody, we're flying
over the Box, not the Wallabes. Why are we trying
to flex the wallabies? You can't flex the wallabies. They
know what you've got. They know we haven't got anything.
They know. Those were our two planes and there's nothing else.
I don't know anyway, I just thought that was the
and like, why are you psyching out the wallabies? Anyway?
They're already psyched out by you because you're the all Blacks,

(24:38):
the spring box. You want to psych out because they
think they can win the Wallabies. It was just the
weirdest thing in the world, wasn't it. Anyway? Glad I
got that off my chest. Barry Soaper's next.

Speaker 1 (24:47):
The politics was centrics credit check your customers and get
payments certainty.

Speaker 2 (24:51):
Right, it's thirteen away from five and Barry Soper, senior
political correspondents with me right now, Hey, Barry, right, you
want to talk about Donald Trump?

Speaker 12 (24:58):
Well, I was going to talk about Chris Hopkins at
the start. We're we can talk about Donald No. I
find Donald Trump much more ammuse he of course, as
we all know now, he met with Benjamin Netanyahu this
morning at the White House. There was no yellow cheer
treatment in the Oval office for Netnahu, because you know,

(25:20):
he's above and beyond reproach if you listen to Donald Trump.
A press conference was held instead, which went beyond being
just a bromance. In my view, it was a love fest,
with Trump looking as though he had taken an aphrodisiac,
a bit like the history making emperor that he clearly
sees himself to be. With the help of the Israeli leader.

(25:43):
Of course, here they are.

Speaker 13 (25:44):
Well, this is a big, big day, a beautiful day,
potentially one of the great days ever in civilization, things
that have been going on for hundreds of years and
thousands of years. We're going to at least we're at
a minimum, very very close. And I think we're beyond
very close. And I'm not just talking about Guyza. Guys
is one thing, but we're talking about much beyond Gaza,

(26:07):
the whole deal, everything getting solved. It's called peace in
the Middle East. Europe has been very much involved, and
there's there's called by many of the European leaders, most
of them saying.

Speaker 3 (26:20):
Is this true?

Speaker 13 (26:21):
Are you really doing peace in the Middle East? This
is the most incredible thing we've heard. Some think it's
the biggest thing they've ever heard. They called just to
find out was it just a rumor or is it
actually done?

Speaker 7 (26:34):
I want to thank you for your for your friendship
and for your leadership. You are the greatest friend that
Israel has ever had in the White House, and mister President,
you and I both know it's not even close.

Speaker 2 (26:50):
That baby kissing his boss.

Speaker 12 (26:52):
Yes, basically what's happened in this agreement. I'm us take
it up because these leader all the power in the
world to bomb Gaza even more out of existence, because
you know Trump is going well, you know, if Hamas
doesn't lay down its arms, then go for it.

Speaker 2 (27:11):
Now, Barry, I know how you feel about Donald Donald Trump.
I'm very fond of and it's wow donald Trump feels
about Donald Trump. But set aside both of those things,
this is actually a reasonably good deal if it comes
to pass.

Speaker 12 (27:25):
Well, no, but it's always, isn't it with Trump. Notice
there's not a lot of talk of Putin at the
moment because nothing came to pass.

Speaker 2 (27:32):
Stop stopping arrangement. Just objectively look at it.

Speaker 12 (27:36):
I'm saying, look at the record, And Harry was shaking
Putin's hands, saying, we've got this in hand. It's going
to be all over within twenty four hours, no more meetings.
Putin's played him again, and he's been played in since
I know he came to get it.

Speaker 2 (27:55):
It might not happen. Okay, but if you look at
the plan that he's put together, it's a good plan.

Speaker 12 (28:00):
Well if it happened, well absolutely, Look, you can say
anything that could be a good plan if it happened here,
but you can say what you doc Trumpce tends to
do this. You'll say anything that comes into his head,
and the plan normally comes unstuck. And I suspect this
one will too, because we've seen how vile Hamas is it.

(28:24):
We heard the Bromance arms down.

Speaker 2 (28:27):
You make a fair point about around a long time.

Speaker 12 (28:30):
And watching certainly American leader, you.

Speaker 2 (28:37):
Make a fair point the fact that it may not
come to pass. It's just trying to get you to
have such give them some credit anyway. Jeez, Now did
Chris Luxon was this a political stunt? This letter that
he sent to Chippy or who?

Speaker 12 (28:49):
Well you know, did he read it? Yes, he did
read it, but after the media read the letter basically
asking for a bipartisan approach if labor were in the
position of being government next year this time next year,
which of course they won't be, but nevertheless he wanted
an agreement out of Hipkins said the media were given

(29:13):
the letter before he was well, it turns out that
he was on a plane when the letter was sent
to his offers. He landed and got off the plane
and then talked to the media and they asked some
questions about the letter that he hadn't seen. Well, I
would have thought that his office could have let him
know what was in the letter, because that's all he
had to know.

Speaker 2 (29:31):
Fair half an hour is a quick turnaround from the
next That's clearly well.

Speaker 12 (29:36):
I think the stunts on both sides. But Hipkins said
this morning that it wasn't a serious attempt to get
any sort of by partisan agreement on an energy strategy
for the future of New Zealand.

Speaker 14 (29:48):
Here he is, this is a performance of politics as
opposed to any kind of genuine attempt to reach a
bipartisan agreement on I'll certainly send him a letter and response.
I will say that oil and gas is not the
way of the future for New Zealand. Renewable energy is
the way of the future for New Zealand. We have
an abundant supply of it, it's cheap. We haven't had
a significant find of new natural gas for two.

Speaker 3 (30:07):
Decades, more than two decas more than twenty years.

Speaker 14 (30:10):
The government's subsidizing in all likelihood what are going to
be empty holes. Isn't going to solve our energy crisis.

Speaker 12 (30:16):
Yeah, well, if you look at just recently twenty years,
twenty years, he says, well, Graham out Petroleum last year
discovered a gas reserve in the Taranaki basin and they're
going to be drilling that reserve and there is significant
well not significant.

Speaker 2 (30:36):
Fine, No, there have been about three fines yep.

Speaker 12 (30:38):
So just for him to say that, it's certainly before
this government came to power, the fines were there because
nobody was allowed to drill and look for the gas.

Speaker 2 (30:47):
There is more gas than Chippy place. Yeah, Barry, thanks
very much, very so. Per Senior political correspondence coming up
seven away from.

Speaker 1 (30:53):
Five, the headlines and the hard questions. It's the mic
asking breakfast.

Speaker 15 (30:58):
And he'll check on our health sect of simm Brown's
health minister in his withs how much are we messing
with numbers?

Speaker 10 (31:02):
Here?

Speaker 15 (31:03):
You can massage numbers? Do you blue in the face?

Speaker 16 (31:05):
Now?

Speaker 17 (31:05):
These are five health targets the government has set. These
are recorded and then validated to show the changes over time.
Over the last twelve months, we're seeing improvement against our
health targets.

Speaker 15 (31:14):
There are averages because counties Manicau and Auckland have gone
backwards in ed for example, is that population is it? Efficiency?

Speaker 3 (31:21):
Is a resource? What is There be a number of factors.

Speaker 17 (31:23):
There has been a significant increase in the number of
people turning up to emergency departments or on average across
the country. We are seeing improvement. For yes, there are
some districts which need additional investment and that's what we're doing.

Speaker 15 (31:33):
Back tomorrow at six am the Mic Hosking Breakfast with
Avida News.

Speaker 18 (31:37):
Talk z B.

Speaker 2 (31:38):
Hither the Eden Park flyover wasn't just weird as you say,
It was also embarrassing. Hither the flyover was cool and
the Defense Force needs an element of cool to continue
recruiting young people. Heither, my husband and I were so embarrassed.
Terrible planes. Supercars have amazing flyovers because they have cool planes.
Hither I like the flyover. Hither where was the Westpac

(31:58):
Halico Rescue. We're gonna be like poor patrol. You may
as well just mobilize everything, just get it all up
in the air fly over Eden Park. Anyway, in my
I can't I look, I did think it was cool.
I just I just couldn't quite understand what Maybe because
it was the bledder Slow is that the answer? Because
it was the Bledderslow Cup, therefore it was an important

(32:18):
one that we like, I'm really scratching around trying to
figure out why we used up burn the fuel for
the Wallabies because they kind of suck as the thing is,
they suck as a rugby team, don't they. Anyway, Look,
we'll punt that one through to the huddle and see
what they think of that. There is a weird thing
going on with the horse riders in aw Tucky. They're
building the new Autucky to live in road right, and
they want to they want to The horse riders want

(32:40):
to be able to use the shared use pathway on
the side, which is for pedestrians and cyclists and stuff,
and it's safer. The horse riders would like to be
on that one, but they've been told by the NZTA
they've got to go on the main road, which doesn't
feel like a smart idea anyway, though, with us in
twenty minutes to explain, but straight after the news, we'll
talk to Tony Blair's former advisor John McTurnan on this
Garza piece.

Speaker 1 (32:58):
Planway, pressing the newsmakers to get the real story. It's
Heather duper cell and drive with one New Zealand to

(33:20):
coverage like no one else.

Speaker 3 (33:22):
News Talk said be.

Speaker 2 (33:24):
Afternoon, former UK Prime Minister Tony Blair could soon be
running Gaza. Donald Trump announced a plan to work towards
a ceasefire in the region. It's already been accepted by
the Israeli Prime Minister Benyabannette and Yahoo. It would require
Hamas to release all hostages and fully disband. They would
be granted amnesty if they agree to the peaceful coexistence.
The plan would also see Blair appointed as the chair

(33:44):
of a board of peace. HUMMAS leaders say they have
not yet received the full proposal. John McTurnan is a
former political secretary for Tony Blair. Hi, John, Hello, how
are you very well? Thank you. Do you think that
HUMMAS will agree to this?

Speaker 18 (33:57):
Yes?

Speaker 19 (33:57):
I say that because from his time as Economic Envoy
in the Middle East, Tony Blair is known to be
trusted by Hamas, has Blah and by the other authorities.
But he's trusted by everybody because when he's involved in
a deal, the deal is stuck to because people can

(34:18):
trust his word. He's a major operator, and of course
he brings to it the experience of the North Island
Peace Deal.

Speaker 2 (34:24):
There are parts of this deal though, that Hamas has
previously turned down or said they can't agree to. So
what is it? Is it the Blair part that changes
the calculation for them?

Speaker 19 (34:33):
Look, I think is the Trump part that traines the
equation for everybody. We've always known that the only country
in the world that can actually bring peace in the
Middle East is the Americans. If the Americans come behind something,
they can put pressure on Israel, Israeli government on Nessyahu,
then no one else can. And that I think is

(34:54):
the is the difference. President Trump has moved on this
and that's important. And obviously behind this are lots of
discussions and negotiations and intermediaries in the region, and I
believe that that's the important thing.

Speaker 2 (35:11):
Do you think the plane is going to work?

Speaker 19 (35:12):
It has to work, doesn't it. It has to work.
We need peace in the Middle East. We need the
slaughter of illnocent children, innocent civilians, innocent women, innocent men.
The death needs to stop, the injuries need to stop,
the rebuilding needs this art. So we all need it
to work, and this may well be the best chance

(35:36):
for this to happen because it is an opportunity for
everyone to get something out of it. All piece deals
a difficult to construct, but this is one in which
there is something for everybody if they're willing to see
this as a pathway, a pathway to peace, a pathway
to reconstruction, a pathway to a two state solution. And

(35:56):
I think that's the important part of it. But you know,
peace takes time, a peace process takes time, and the
long decades of learning to live together and trust each other,
you know, are ahead. We've seen it in Northern Ireland.
But once you start to take the steps towards peace,
then each step is easier after the first one.

Speaker 2 (36:20):
Yeah, and John, this plan has no mention of the
Palestinian state in it, but clearly this is a path
to a Palestinian states. That's the end goal, isn't it.

Speaker 18 (36:27):
Yeah.

Speaker 19 (36:27):
Look, and the recognition by a UN Security Council member
the UK, the recognition of Palestine was a critical part.
Recognition by France or by Norway, by Australia. This has
been building and who knows, these those steps may have
been part of a process that actually gives the confidence. Yes,

(36:49):
recognizing states is critical for Tuesday solution. States that are
able to negotiate, states to have stability, states that can
begin reconstruction. So I think it is in the end
there is no one state solution, so there has to
be a two state solution, or there is. What we've
seen this constant grinding conflict, which is it's not good

(37:14):
for Israel, for Israel's international reputation, it's terrible for Palestine,
terrible for the Gaza Gaza strip, terrible for the infrastructure,
for individuals, for families, the whole thing. If it can
come to a stop, then that is the beginning of
moving towards the Tuesdate solution, which gives stability and security

(37:34):
for both Palestine and for Israel.

Speaker 2 (37:36):
John, it's good to talk to you, Thank you for
your time. John mcturn and former political secretary to former
UK Prime Minister Tony Blair.

Speaker 3 (37:42):
Hither duplicy Ellen.

Speaker 2 (37:43):
So the government is growing about getting closer to hitting
its health targets. Cancer treatment access, childhood immunization, ED stays
and wait times all improved in the latest quarter. Trouble is, though,
post code lottery is still a problem. So for example,
in the Lakes District, timely cancer treatment for patients plunge
for ninety seven percent down to eighty three percent. Malcolm
will Holland from Patient Voice ALTI it or is with

(38:04):
maham Malcolm, Hey, Heather, isn't this isn't it the case
that the reality is and reality always will be that
if you live in different parts of the country, you
will get different treatment.

Speaker 16 (38:15):
Yeah, very much so. Although what I would say is
we're starting to see a bit of a creep. Were
normally bad hoalth outcomes would happen mainly in the rural areas,
we're now starting to see doctors speak out who operate
in some of our largest cities and centers. So that's
got to be an area of real concern.

Speaker 2 (38:35):
Why is it just lack of workforce?

Speaker 16 (38:38):
It is primarily yes, I would definitely say that, and
we don't seem to have a long term plan by
which we can get the doctors and specialists that we need,
not only just to service our current population, but a
growing population, one that is getting older by the year
and also has a lot more morbidity issues with that

(38:59):
population problem.

Speaker 2 (39:00):
Lack of money.

Speaker 16 (39:02):
It is, yeah, lack of money and also I think
we need to get some accurate picture around where the
money is going. It's been some years since the government
have put in the data to the OECD. I've seen
some challenging research around how much we actually do spend
on health and how it has been spent. I think

(39:22):
we need to get to the numb of that before
we can have an honest conversation about where it needs
to go.

Speaker 2 (39:27):
Is the problem that we're facing right now, Malcolm that
instead of lift changing, instead of fixing the post code
lottery by lifting the parts of the country that are
not performing that well, we're actually we're actually seeing everything
fall back to the same position as those performing the worst.

Speaker 16 (39:42):
Yeah, I think so, and I think too that the
measures you know, the data is only good as the
data that you provide. There are a number of issues
around the metrics that the government are operating under. We
know that there is a very high threshold by which
to be seen, and we know that triarchic happens even
before before you get to see a specialist. We know

(40:02):
that the data doesn't catch everything, for example, patients who
leave VD. We know that the system can be gained
in is gained and we've seen evidence of that and
also they've got to have the right metrics in place.
So when it comes to cancer care, for example, Heather,
many oncologists would say, that's the wrong metric. The right
metric is from the date of diagnosis to the date

(40:23):
ure first scene by a specialist.

Speaker 2 (40:26):
Hey, thank you very much, Malcolm, appreciate it, Malcolm, Will
Holland patient voice outsiet.

Speaker 3 (40:29):
Or Heather do for cl The z has cut its.

Speaker 2 (40:33):
One year fixed home loan rate to four point four
four nine percent. Now, this is the reason I'm telling
you this is because this is a reasonably significant cut.
It's twenty six basis point cut. It is now the
lowest out there amongst the major banks for the one
year fixed rate. But this is the interesting thing, right,
four point four nine percent The peak in February last
year was seven point three five percent for the same rate.
That's nearly a forty percent drop. That is getting very

(40:54):
close to basically harving that rate. How good is that?
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a win win for New Zealand. Ever do Ellen eighteen

(42:01):
past five. Now there's a weird stoush going on in
the Lower North Island with horse riders who are furious
at NZTA because the horse riders have been banned from
using the new shared pathway that's going to run alongside
the new Utucky Livan Highway. Instead, they've been told they
have to ride on the highway itself. Now. Shelley Warwick
is the New Zealand Equestrian Advocacy Network chairperson and with

(42:21):
us Hello Shelley.

Speaker 3 (42:23):
Oh hey, how are you well?

Speaker 2 (42:24):
Thanks having me, Yeah, you're welcome. Now what is this path?
Is it like a cycle way quality path or is
it a dirt track?

Speaker 20 (42:32):
Well, in the initial plans it was to be a
shared ue path like the one in the Kapiti Expressway.
So that's a formed path with the grass on each side.
Obviously that's to hold the path together. With the downgrades
NZA has done to the Otech North Livin that won't

(42:54):
be like that the whole way across the Horifnu, but
it will be a link for the commune unity from
north to south for at the stage just cyclists and walkers,
even though we've been involved in advocating to n ZTA
since twenty nineteen for inclusions for our safety.

Speaker 2 (43:13):
It's the problem with the horses. Why did they say
no to the horses.

Speaker 20 (43:17):
Well, it's a systemic and problem within our central government
agencies which has failed to recognize horse riders for decades now.

Speaker 2 (43:28):
Selling funding normal language and fund Is it the pope
or is it the danger.

Speaker 20 (43:34):
In this in this in this situation, it's just because
we were left out of the scoop, out of the scope.
So it's not poop and it's not danger because on
the next door Carbity Expressway we have shared that since
twenty seventeen successfully with all user groups and there have
not been incidences where horses have been of course an accident,

(43:58):
so it's not danger, it's not poope. It's just the
fact that the Minister of Transport has declared that this
will be a shared uice path for walkers and cycls
cycles only and not horse riders.

Speaker 2 (44:09):
Are there alternative ways for you to get up the coast.

Speaker 20 (44:14):
Well, it's the North South Link and the thing that
we're going to the Human rights about is the equity
situation here. So there are alternatives. Well, there are alternatives
for every other user if you want to take them.
But they've made a shared juice path to cater for

(44:34):
vulnerable road users to get across this community, but excluded
horse riders. Now, according to the New Zealand Police Superintendent
of Road Policing. We in the police sense and the
police words are vulnerable road users. So the NZTA have
just basically decided that they won't include horse riders for

(44:57):
no good reason, no reason, no cost, no safety. Just
it's it's syndemic and a cultural thing within these organizations
to not include us.

Speaker 2 (45:07):
Well, let us know how you go, Shelley, appreciate that.
Shelley Warwick, New Zealand Equestrian Advocacy Network Chairperson five two.

Speaker 1 (45:16):
Digging deeper into the day's headlines, it's Heather Duper Clan
drive with one New Zealand coverage like no one else
news talks.

Speaker 2 (45:24):
They'd be We're going to talk to the council. Trade
Unions has got a plan. Tomorrow's the big idea with
the electricity from the government. Council. Trade Union's got a plan.
They want to renationalize the gen tailors, so we'll talk
to them about that after the news. Right now, it's
twenty four past five. Now we need to talk about
the Reserve Bank's excuses for how it completely stuffed up
its job and let inflation get away on it during COVID.
We spoke about this on the show yesterday. It's done.

(45:47):
The review. It says, quote in hindsight and earlier and
more aggressive tightening might have reduced inflation sooner. Yeah, really, Sherlock.
But this would have been difficult given the data of
able at the time. Now, basically what they're saying is, yeah,
we could have done better if we could see what
was happening at the time, but we couldn't see what
was happening at the time, Which is a croc, isn't it.

(46:08):
Because there were people who could see at the time
what was happening and they said so, they said it publicly,
they said the Reserve Bank needs to start tightening up
in some cases months, if not even more than a
year before they did. I mean, the New Zealand Initiative
first identified that COVID could cause inflation in April twenty
twenty two, that's a year and a half before the
Reserve Bank started tightening. Brad Olsen called on them to

(46:29):
start lifting the OCR in July twenty twenty one, that's
about three months before they started. They started in October
twenty twenty one. Now that's good on them for at
that point starting to move. But they were doing it.
They were pumping the brake ever so slightly, while still
pushing the accelerator in a big way. Because they did
not stop pumping the economy. They kept their cheap Money

(46:50):
for Banks program going all the while. In February twenty
twenty two the following year, the New Zealand Initiative was
warning like, hey listen, this inflation is a thing here,
but that lending can continued. That cheap money to the
bank's continued all the way through to December twenty twenty two,
when it stopped. Inflation was already at seven point two percent,

(47:10):
which is nuts.

Speaker 21 (47:11):
Now.

Speaker 2 (47:11):
To be fair to the Reserve Bank, it wasn't just
their fault. Grant Robertson was doing a fair bit right.
He was spending like crazy, and even though he was
worn by Treasury, he just kept on spending too. But
that doesn't exonerate the Reserve Bank. It just makes their
job harder. But they cannot pretend that they didn't see
what was happening, because others did see what was happening,
and they needed to see what was happening, because that
is what they are paid for.

Speaker 3 (47:34):
Ever dupers the Allen Heather the horse.

Speaker 2 (47:36):
Riders complain about the bicycles wizzing past them, and that's
why they're not allowed to share the pathway, Thank you, Sue. Look,
I don't want to be addicted to the horse riders,
because horse riding is a perfectly lovely activity that many
people in my family still participate in and good on them.
Lovely thing to do. Lots of my friends do it.
I have lots of friends who are horse riders. However,

(47:59):
come on, now, horse riding is not a legit form
of transport anymore, is it? Because this is not eighteen
twenty five, is it? It's twenty twenty five. I mean,
you can actually legit ride your bicycle from one point
to the other as your main form of transport because
your name is Julianne Genta. You could just walk everywhere
because that's what you're into as well. But nobody, nobody

(48:20):
still rides a horse like it's a car, do they?
So I feel like, I mean, I feel like into
ta telling them to go on the road is also
a bit rough, but maybe not. Maybe they just need
to use it as a hobby, not a mode of transport. Now,
news is next.

Speaker 1 (48:37):
Exkive what the day's newsmakers talk to Heather First? Heather
duplic elan drive with one New Zealand and the power
of satellite mobile news.

Speaker 3 (48:48):
Doorgs be watch me.

Speaker 2 (48:54):
A news just in from Australia. The RBA has held
the cash right at three point six percent. We're going
to listen. We're going to deal with this business about
the tariff, the Donald Trump tariff on the movies after
six o'clock with Irene Gardner. We've got the Huddle standing
by as well. Phil Goff and Connor English will be
with us later on. Right now, it is twenty five
away from six now. Tomorrow's a big day for the
electricity sector, with the government set to announce its surgical intervention. Meanwhile,

(49:18):
the Council of Trade Unions has said shared its solution today,
which is to renationalize the gen tailors that mum and
Dad investors brought into during John Keyess administration. The CTU
president is Richard Wagstaff.

Speaker 21 (49:29):
Hey, Richard, hi there.

Speaker 2 (49:31):
How much would it cost to do this?

Speaker 21 (49:34):
Well, it would take a considerable time, but basically it
wouldn't cost a lot at all, because what we're saying
is that instead of wasting money as the current gent
tailors do on their own dividends, so it'd put those
dividends back into reclaiming public ownership. So it's a longer
term strategy and one where we think the money is
better spent than on exorbitant dividends. The shareholders whitch corrpps.

Speaker 2 (49:54):
So over a period of time they increase their own
stake back up to one hundred percent.

Speaker 21 (49:57):
Yeah's a yes. If they don't do that, then they
can spend their money on investing in the future of
the electricity industry.

Speaker 22 (50:04):
What we've had is a.

Speaker 21 (50:05):
System where they're not pumping in the money on capital expenditure.
They've been pumping it into private dividends and private profits.
So we're saying time to focus on providing energy and
electricity as a public utility rather than a place for
making exorbit and profit.

Speaker 2 (50:19):
How long does the spyback take.

Speaker 21 (50:21):
Well, it depends on how much they want to direct
back into dividends or how much they want to invest
back into capital expenditure. What we've found with the current model,
which is sort of unfortunately seems to be dominated by
private interests, particularly since privatization, is that they'll put a
lot of time and energy into focusing on providing dividends
and not enough energy and not enough money into providing

(50:42):
capital expenditure. That is up to them. If we bring
in this policy that we're proposing, they'll have to make
that call. It might be that they think a little
harder about wasting so much money on dividends and they
put a bit more into capital expenditure. If they don't, well,
the state will oarn more of it and we'll be
able to direct that that investment.

Speaker 2 (50:58):
Accordingly, I don't think this is a good idea, Richard.
I mean, if you talked to a Phraser Winnerat who
was previously the chief executive of Mercury Energy, he himself
says that when they floated, it suddenly introduced efficiencies they
didn't have when they were in twoe hundred percent publicly owned,
which is common.

Speaker 21 (51:16):
Roiling, mate, you think you've got to be joking. Thirteen
billion since twenty thirteen privatization, thirteen billion went out in
dividends and a fraction of when to capital expenditure. This
market system that keeps and okay.

Speaker 2 (51:28):
Fair enough, that sounds like a big number. But Richard,
how much number? How much was spent in capital expenditure
before that?

Speaker 21 (51:33):
About a fifth of that we reckon it's about a
year's worth of dividend. Between twenty sixteen and twenty twenty,
there's one point two billion in capital expenditure. That was
about a fifth of the dividend payout. In another word,
just a fraction of the dividend payout. Our electricity is
no more generated today than there was ten years ago.
There's something failing in Wilson, Winnerrat and s Winter Wilson,
Winway and Winnerray's model where we're not increasing the amount

(51:56):
of generation of electricity. We have a growing population, we
should have a growing economy, we should have cheaper electricity.
When we talk to our workers about this, they're deeply concerned,
not just about the cost of living and keeping the
home warm, they're really concerned about businesses going under. Like
in the Central North Island we're're citing electricity costs has
been one of the biggest shops.

Speaker 2 (52:16):
Respect to you for coming out with an idea, right,
but are you actually you're just dealing with only one
part of what is a massive confluence of problems. Right.
This doesn't deal with the fact that we have a
gas shortage which is causing all the spikes that we're
seeing at the moment. It doesn't deal with the fact
that the primary thing pushing up our electricity bills, at
least for residential customers at the moment, is transmission costs.

Speaker 21 (52:34):
No, I think you're looking at that in the reverse order.
Really we've said it differently, Heather. The reason why we're
having to we're talking about gas and coal and stuff
is because we haven't invested in our renewables. If we
start investing in our renewables win solar, gosrmal, which are
available to us in New Zealand, we wouldn't have to
be thinking about going up to gas which isn't certain
by any streets, or using an efficient coal and dirty coal,

(52:56):
which could be addressing this thing more strategically. And that's
kind of the problem. We don't keep doing the short
tem fixes and saying more market, we'll fix it when
the market has failed us, failed our industry, failed our
economy and failing individuals in terms of alteresty, generation, availability
in pricing.

Speaker 2 (53:11):
Richard, thanks for having a chat to us. Richard Wagstaff,
Council of Trade Union's President, twenty away from six.

Speaker 1 (53:16):
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leader and luxury real estate.

Speaker 2 (53:22):
On the Huddle of Us this evening we have Phil
Goff and Connor English high lads. Listen, Phil, I want
to talk to you about Trump's peace plan. Has this
got any chance of working? Do you think?

Speaker 10 (53:34):
Well? You hope so, because you want to support any
move that will end the slaughter of just numerous civilians.
You know, sixty six thousand people Palestinians killed. Now, some
of them would have been harm used, and I'm not
shedding tears over that they were combatants, but a third
of them are kids. And you see the suffering there
at the moment, and you say that there's got to

(53:55):
be a way of bringing a sustainable peace there. This
plan's promising for a couple of reasons. One, it's supported
by neighboring Arab countries and the Palestinian authority and Netta
Na who has also accepted it. But you know, it
doesn't answer all the questions who provides the peacekeepers, who
provides the money to rebuild, and will of parties either

(54:18):
Hummas if they agree to it and Israel if they
agree to it, keep their word, because they're both notorious
for failing to keep their word and breaking their promises.

Speaker 2 (54:28):
Yeah, feels a little bit like Hummas has been snookered
here Connor. They have to agree to it otherwise they
become the bad guys all over again.

Speaker 10 (54:37):
Yeah.

Speaker 22 (54:37):
I think Donald Trump has, you know, the art of
the negotiator. Hopefully it comes off, and hopefully he can
do something that plenty of presidents before him haven't been
able to do, which is to get sort of declared
police amongst the parties in the Middle East.

Speaker 2 (54:51):
I feel the thing here that has disappointed people is
that there is no talk in the steal of a
Palestinian state. But it feels like it is kind of
the groundwork for a Palestinian state, isn't it.

Speaker 10 (55:03):
Well, you'd hope so, because the two states solution that
everybody except Israel seems to agree to and supported by
the United States, is the obvious solution. There are two
people that have their homeland on one piece of land,
Palestinians that were pushed out when Israel was formed. Everybody
understands why Israel was formed and the aftermath of the Holocaust,

(55:25):
but they deserve to have a decent future, a decent present.
First bow to survive the present and build a decent
future for their kids. And those that follow, And it
can't be just a case of having peace and not
finding a long term solution that gives them some hope
for the future, because there's one thing that feeds terrorism,
and that's firstly when you have no hope that nothing's

(55:49):
going to get better, and secondly, when you watch your
members of your family being slaughtered by attacks and starving,
it's hard not to hate the people that are doing
that to you too.

Speaker 2 (56:00):
Right, Okay, now, Connor the Dixon Street apartments in your
part of the world, Does someone at KO need to
be fired for selling them to the EWE for one
million dollars, who within three weeks sold them for three
million dollars to someone else.

Speaker 22 (56:15):
Well, it's hard to know all the details, but on
the face of it, that does seem like a bit
of a bit of a rise over a short period
of time. I suspect when they sold it they were
looking at getting rid of what was probably quite a
big liability with earthquake strength thing, although that might be
different today than what it was a couple of days ago,
and I suspect they were looking at it more as

(56:37):
let's get rid of the liability off their books, and
so We're prepared to take very little to just get
rid of the future costs of operating that building.

Speaker 2 (56:45):
That's not being very good at business, is it.

Speaker 22 (56:48):
Well, you'd like to think they've got the full market value,
or they could have got it, and I don't know
how they went to market or how.

Speaker 2 (56:53):
They really didn't. Doesn't this look connor to you?

Speaker 22 (56:56):
Like?

Speaker 2 (56:56):
What may potentially have happened here is old mate Ian
Castle's developer got hooked up with the EWI, and so
the EWE gets first right of refusal. EWI buys it
for one million, sells it to ian Castle's for three million,
And that just seems like a really tidy way of
making sure that it never goes to the open market
and achieves its full value.

Speaker 22 (57:14):
Well, there maybe some people who speculate on that process.
I just don't know enough about it.

Speaker 3 (57:19):
Either, Phil.

Speaker 2 (57:21):
What do you think they're wiping here?

Speaker 10 (57:23):
Well, it is certainly a liability. The cost to remediate
and strengthen the building is something like one hundred and
twenty five million, which puts you know, whether the price
was one million or three million into context. Having said that,
I think that if ken Or and its minister is
going to sell it for one million, and three weeks

(57:45):
later the purchaser, whether it's EWE or anybody else, sells
it for three million. That raises some pretty big questions
and I think you need a lot more transparency and
accountability around what happened. Now. Yea, the EWE had the
first right of refuge, but you don't have to sell them.
You don't have to sell it to them. And the
question is whether they could have sold it directly to

(58:06):
castles or whether an agreement between castles and the EWE
prevented that. Now, if that were the case, then cayang
Alura should simply come out and say we did not
have that option. But you know it is public money,
and therefore you want to make sure that you're not
gifting a couple of million dollars for somebody that simply
acts as an intermediary holding the property for two weeks.

Speaker 2 (58:26):
Yeah too, Right, all right, guys, will take a break,
come back to you shortly. Right now, it's coming up
quarter to two.

Speaker 1 (58:32):
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Speaker 2 (58:37):
Right, you're back with the Huddle. Connor English, Phil Goff, Hello, Connor,
I need to ask you this question, which I haven't
warned you about at all. Did you watch the rugby?

Speaker 22 (58:46):
I did watch the rugby the Wallabies and they.

Speaker 2 (58:48):
Will beax And what did you think of the flyover?

Speaker 22 (58:53):
Well, I was at the Athletic Park on the last
day that they played a game here with the French
and seven four seven flew over and it was awesome
being in the crowd.

Speaker 2 (59:03):
He sounds playing nuts at the moment that you were
playing nuts.

Speaker 3 (59:07):
Yeah.

Speaker 22 (59:08):
I do quite like planes, but often at these sporting
events like Formula one and that they do sort of
have fighter jets flying over, don't they. And those two
planes that he were slightly different than that.

Speaker 3 (59:18):
Well, I keep the film.

Speaker 2 (59:19):
It was so weird to me? Was it not weird?
The reason we're talking about it obviously fellows because it
turns out it cost US twenty thousand dollars to send
the two planes over the top, we find out today.
But was it not weird to just all of a
sudden flex on the Aussies when we didn't flex on
any other team.

Speaker 10 (59:34):
I didn't get to see the game because I went
down the beach, so I missed them and the black ferns.
But yeah, probably it probably was a little bit odd.
I have a bit of excitement for the crowd. I mean,
the thing that I remember about it is after an
appalling weekend. The previous weekend we had a consolation of
a win over the Aussies and at least a bronze

(59:55):
medal for the for the black Ferns. So yeah, I
was I thought, a good weekend of rugby four in
New Zealand hell of a lot better than what had
preceded it.

Speaker 2 (01:00:04):
That's true. I suppose we'll take them. We'll go with
the glass half full thing. What did you make? What
did you make? Kind of of Richard Wagstaf's idea earlier.

Speaker 22 (01:00:15):
Well, look, I think he's got a point that the
price of energy and the cost of energy to not
any consumers but to business is really crucial in the
economy and society, and it is too expensive. And so
I'm just hoping that the government, when they make whatever
announcements they make tomorrow, change the incentives on the gen
taylors so that there is more incentive to generate more

(01:00:38):
power and lower prices, because at the moment I think,
you know, there is more generation coming through, but clearly
not enough to get ahead of the demand, and we
are running a risk on the resilient side of things
of potential blackouts if we have a particularly dry year.
So I don't know what the regulation is going to be,

(01:00:58):
but it needs to be something that makes a difference.
And I also think we need to build a few
more dams around the place to build the resilience up
a bit.

Speaker 2 (01:01:06):
You're probably right on that, Phil having a crack at
the gen Taylor's. I mean, look, they have a role
to play in it, but it does feel like addressing
the wrong problem at the moment, which seems to be
that we're wildly running out of gas.

Speaker 10 (01:01:17):
Well, I think there's a number of problems and you
have to address all of them. One of the critical
problems you've got to address, and this is the problem
with privatization, is that a private company comes in, it's
really tempting to take the money, feed it out and
dividends to your shareholders that keeps them happy, but not
make the investment you need to make in the future.
Now we're seeing that in New Zealand with Kiwi Rail

(01:01:38):
when we privatized it and they simply ran the thing down,
took the money out, and we had to end it
up bringing it back into public ownership. But more recently
I also saw it in London where we were supplied
by Thames Water. Thames Water took a fortune and dividends
out of providing water for the City of London and

(01:01:59):
its surrounding area and left it as an absolute ctcase.
It's about to go bankrupt. The water quality and the
reliability isn't great, and it's because they did just that.
They sucked up the dividends, they didn't reinvest. Now, if
the government owned it and did that, you could hold
them to account. How do we hold the private sector
to account?

Speaker 2 (01:02:19):
Well, I mean you can, can't you You basically you
get rid of the management. Like there's a shareholder revolt.

Speaker 10 (01:02:28):
Well, the shareholders are happy because they got the money.
It's the consumer that's unhappy. And the consumer that doesn't
have the shareholders isn't going.

Speaker 2 (01:02:35):
To be But I mean, well, I take your point,
but shareholders aren't going to be happy when they start
getting the regulation coming at them because these guys have
been running the show badly, right, which is a threat.

Speaker 10 (01:02:42):
Ye yeah, Well, shaholders will end up being unhappy, but
in the meantime they'll take the money and run. Yeah. Look,
I'll put myself on the line. In twenty eleven, I
opposed the partial privatization of the companies. And why did
I do that Because I knew the companies that they
are natural monopoly, they were producing a high return. I
wanted to see that high return go back into investment

(01:03:04):
and go back to the public that actually paid in
their tax dollars to build the dams and all the
other things. And you know, it is a strategic asset.
And when the power supply doesn't work, it damages the
rest of industry. And we've seen those damages, you know,
with the spikes and power prices and the closure of
a whole lot of our manufacturing industries because they haven't

(01:03:25):
planned well enough. Now, that's in part the responsibility of
the private sector, also in part the responsibility of the government.
We could have been doing a whole lot more, a
whole lot sooner. And you know, you know my point.
I'm always keen on renewable energy, both because it doesn't
produce carbon emissions, but also because it's a hell of
lot cheaper to generate from.

Speaker 2 (01:03:45):
All right, guys, listen, thank you, I do appreciate it.
Phil Goff Connor English a huddle this evening seven away
from six.

Speaker 1 (01:03:52):
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Speaker 2 (01:04:00):
Hey, do you remember how by the way it's five
or way from six? Do you remember how Donald Trump
got upset about the escalator breaking down at the un
Apparently it was one of his own team who did it.
It was a videographer from the US delegation who ran
up ahead of him and triggered the sto mechanism at
the top of the escalator. And then also he got
upset about the tally prompter not working. Again White House

(01:04:20):
was operating the tallyprompter, so was his team who let
him down. Here the what do you mean? Hamas becomes
the bad guys again. They are the terrorists. They could
have surrendered or never done October seven in the first place.
What a stupid thing to say. Look, no fair point,
fair point to pick me up on the phrasing of that.
What I mean by that, and I do mean that.
What I mean by that is Hamas. Hamas are murdering terrorists.

(01:04:42):
But somehow, in the eyes of a lot of people
in the West, including some of my friends. They are
not the bad guys. They are sure that. You know,
a lot of people justify what Harmas are doing. They go, oh, yeah, look,
it's not good what Hamas are doing, but you know
it's because they're trying to get They're trying to do
the right thing by the bed, and people make excuses
for them. But if what happens is that BB's agreed

(01:05:04):
to this, Trump has agreed to this, and then Hammas
doesn't agree to this, how are they No one's going
to make excuse going to be able to make excuses
for Hamas anymore, are they? Because Hamas has got the
perfect answer here. Here you get amnesty for yourselves. You
can naf off to Katar wherever you want to go,
whatever they're going to lead you out, and then there's
a Palestinian state for you people, and everybody gets what
they want and life gets better and the aid goes in.

(01:05:26):
And if Hamsk goes no to that, it's very hard
for people in the West to keep on making excuses.
That is what I mean by it. They lose the
propaganda war. Listen, I just want to quickly run you
through something. I had a look, I was fascinated today
to have a look at the breakdown of our power
bills and how little of it is actually made up
by what the gent tailors are actually doing. This is
why I don't think that cracking down on the gent
tailors is completely the solution. So about thirty nine percent

(01:05:49):
of what you pay pays for the generation of your electricity,
and then eleven percent pays for the retail right, So
what said, that's fifty percent. So fifty percent of what
you're paying goes to the likes of mercay Real, Mighty River, whatever, whatever.
Twenty five percent a quarter is the distribution, eight percent
is the transmission, thirteen percent is the GST, a half

(01:06:09):
a percentage point is the levees, and four point five
percent is the meter. So only half of what you're
paying actually goes to the people who are creating the
electricity and sell you the electricity. So crack down on them,
but it might not fix the problem anyway. Irene Gardner
is with us next on Trump's tariffs on movies.

Speaker 1 (01:06:34):
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Allen and Mays for Insurance Investments and Kiwye Safer.

Speaker 3 (01:06:44):
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Speaker 2 (01:06:46):
SADB even in coming up in the next hour, AGSP
sees Paul Bloxam will be with us after half past
chatter through the RBA decision to hold today and also
what we should expect from the RBNZ next week. Homers
Mackay is in for the other Mackay Jamie, and then
Ander Brady is with us out of the UK seven
past six. So the future of New Zealand's film sector
is facing uncertainty all over again because Donald Trump has

(01:07:08):
today doubled down on his promise to add a one
hundred percent tariff on any US movies filmed overseas. Now
this means blockbusters like Megan, a Minecraft movie, the Avatar
movies would all be subject to a very hefty price tag.
Irene Gardner as the president of the Screen Producers New
Zealand and with us Hey Iren Hi there, Given that
Donald Trump has mentioned this again, does it look to

(01:07:30):
you like he means it?

Speaker 23 (01:07:33):
Really hard to say, But the trouble is because he's
now mentioned it twice, it creates a lot of uncertainty
and panic, and that in itself can have a negative
impact on levels of production globally. And here I was
surprised it came up again because when he first mentioned
it in May, like his own screen industry, the American

(01:07:56):
screen industry said no, no, no, no, this will not work.
This will be to our detriment, let alone you know,
other people in the world. So yeah, I'm a bit
surprised that he's mentioned it again. But I just it's
so unworkable. I just really can't see how you would
even do this.

Speaker 2 (01:08:15):
What he's talking about.

Speaker 23 (01:08:17):
You mean logistically, well, yeah, I mean tariffs are usually
on goods. This is kind of more about services. And
there's sort of a total confusion about you know, it
seems to be the problem he's trying to solve is
American productions not shooting in America. So the way to
fix that is their own incentives, not you know, trying

(01:08:41):
to stop them go somewhere else. And you know, is
that what he means, Because if that is what he means,
that's one thing. But the way he actually said it
was as if he meant, you know, productions from another country,
as in, you know, something that we made here in
New Zealand, for example, you know the film ten R.
So does he mean that or does he mean Minecraft
being shot here in American production being shot in New Zumer.

(01:09:03):
I think he means that, but it's really unclear what
he means, and you know, how it would even manifest.

Speaker 2 (01:09:10):
As you just mentioned before, he first made mention of
this in May. Have we seen anything since May to
indicate how the American industry will respond to this.

Speaker 23 (01:09:21):
The Americans, why, has been really negative about it and
you know, really campaigning for it not to happen because
it doesn't help them because they you know, they want
to shoot wherever it is best for their production to shoot,
or their co production.

Speaker 2 (01:09:33):
And you know that's the other thing.

Speaker 23 (01:09:35):
How do you define an American production. We're in the
age of the global co production, so I mean, they'll
be as shocked as we are that it's you know
that he's mentioned it again. So yeah, I'm really not
quite sure. And it's very difficult here because it's a
tough time for the screen industry generally, you know, both

(01:09:55):
globally and here in New Zealand, both our international sector
and our local of course, you know, this just makes
people panic and feel uncertain because you know, if you
could take this to its worst conclusion, it would be
you know, really devastating for US green industry here.

Speaker 2 (01:10:12):
Yeah, I suppose that's a fair point and would be Irene,
thank you very much, appreciated, Irene Gardener, President of the
Screen Producers, New Zealand. Keep an eye on that, see
how it goes. Eleven past Sax Heather Duplessy Allen Heather
on the horse riding. That lady was not giving you
all the facts about the horses. There are no bridges
on the carpety shared path for the horses because they
are so expensive. I think that bridges for horses have
to be about four meters wide, whereas other bridges not

(01:10:34):
for vehicles only have to be two point five meters wide.
Why would you want your horse to be on the
same path as pedestrians and cyclists? Dare I say that
horsey people generally have a bit of a reputation for
being ever so slightly odd. Thank you, Jill. You said
it now. Taliban have shut down the Internet in Afghanistan.
They've cut the fiber optic cables because they're just geez,

(01:10:56):
these guys are awesome, aren't they. So they had the
infrastructure tullibund and want them cut cut God, Internet's gone.
They want to prevent what they call immorality. So the
Internet's down, the mobile phone services are down, Satellite TV
has been severely disrupted. Not sure if they thought this
through all the way, but they're also flights are now
disrupted as well from Carbul Airport because everything needs the

(01:11:20):
internet nowadays. Anyway, they reckon that they're going to sort
it all out because they're going to get their local internet.
They're going to do internet locally, not global internet. So
all power to them and good luck to the people
of Afghanistan living with these morons.

Speaker 3 (01:11:32):
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Speaker 2 (01:11:42):
By the way, just an updown on what Boeing's up to.
It's just been reported. I think it was the Wall
Street Journal who broke this. Actually Boeing is working on
very early plans to build a new plan to replace
the plane, to replace the seven three seven Max. This
is what they've been having in the trouble. We've had
a couple of fatal crashes. The door blew off, you know,
of one of the variants and stuff. Had a bit
of trouble with the thing. So they're designing a new

(01:12:02):
narrow body plane that were already talking to Rolls Royce
in the UK about getting an engine made and whatnot. However,
very early stage. Still good to see they're planning something
because they've had a bit of trouble, haven't they caught
a past.

Speaker 3 (01:12:16):
The rural report on hither du for c Allen drive.

Speaker 2 (01:12:19):
For Jamie mckaye, we have Hamish MacKaye Hello.

Speaker 5 (01:12:22):
Hamish Hello, here's the bo Duke and for Lupchuk.

Speaker 2 (01:12:25):
Really yeah, it is a little bit no relation, a.

Speaker 5 (01:12:30):
No relation different spelling in Mackay's that we all got
off the same boat, and has just claimed that they
were smarter and kept the spelling correct where his mind
dropped the A after the M.

Speaker 2 (01:12:38):
So, well, it's because you guys were smart and efficient,
he thought, we don't need that A. Get rid of it.

Speaker 5 (01:12:43):
That's right, that's right exactly, It's all about efficiency, that's right.

Speaker 2 (01:12:46):
All those a's over a lifetime, they really add up.
Now anyway, listen, Frontier I see is doing the road
show to sell the big consumer brands stuff to the shareholders.
Are they liking what they're hearing?

Speaker 6 (01:12:57):
Yeah?

Speaker 5 (01:12:57):
I don't think there's going to be the first the
road shows as in Songirai last night, it appears that
all were in favor. Some good questions coming from the
floor about the length of supply of bonterra and milk.
I guess you know the ingredients end of things, and
you know that's a ten year contract and it can't
be broken at about a thirty six month notification after

(01:13:21):
seven years, so that's a fair bit of time that
lack Carlos will take this milk without any question. And
at the end of the day, I think these guys
realize the consumer business, the mainland, the anchor.

Speaker 22 (01:13:32):
The capity, the pressure fruity, the.

Speaker 5 (01:13:34):
Perfected Taliano and all that was bringing about a three
percent return on capital these days, whereas your ingredients and
your food service you straightforward more milk and powder and
things eleven to thirteen percent average for the last four
or five years. So there's not too much in the
way of descent around US. October seventh of vote happens.
It'll be Q one next year before it's all sort

(01:13:54):
of finalized. Ye, it looked most even the smallest of
farm is doing one hundred thousand kilograms say of milk
solids are going to thank to three hundred k. So
I think it's probably a bit of a no brainer
and will be well received, certainly not pitching it well.

Speaker 22 (01:14:10):
Put it that way.

Speaker 2 (01:14:11):
Yeah, well it's quite enticing that level of money. Look,
on the subject of money, is the price of the
sheep in the beef land unsustainable?

Speaker 5 (01:14:18):
Oh? Look, I think so. There's been a wonderful article
written by the renowned Lincoln University professor Keith Woodward, and
he said in his excellent article on this topic, Houston,
we have a problem. It's a pretty big problem to
look it. It reflects the housing market a bit when
interest rates drop and everybody goes boogar and goes crazy
and stupid. You know, some of these land prices now,

(01:14:39):
despite these great farm gate returns, there's very good returns,
you know, two hundred and ninety two dollars for lambs,
hoggets and things, you know, things that not that long
ago were seventy and ninety dollars. But at best, the
return on capital is still only one to two percent.
So who can afford to buy that? You're one of
four siblings wanting to buy it. The other three you
haven't got to open the Beank's not want to give

(01:15:01):
you the money to do that. It's just unsustainable really,
But we're going to have a bit of a crisis
here because the average age of sheep and beef farmers,
and I don't doubt this for a minute, it was
about fifty eight to sixty, so a lot of them
are going to be wanting to get the cash and
out of it. So it raises the question, you know,
what are you know, surely there's some excellent models out
there where by you leave equity and yet young people

(01:15:22):
come in and take the land.

Speaker 10 (01:15:23):
To the next level.

Speaker 24 (01:15:24):
And there's all sorts of it.

Speaker 5 (01:15:26):
But it has got a bit, you know, it has
got a bit top heavy in terms of those you know,
twelve thy fifteen thousand of the heck there. I mean,
that's yeah, running away with it.

Speaker 2 (01:15:35):
Sounds like any listen, a you're going to go to
that sharing competition?

Speaker 5 (01:15:39):
Oh, I'll be the one. I'll be lining up is
the World Champs at the Golden Shears in March. I'm
going to be there. Nobody's going to stop me from
being there. Hundred starts this week, so that's Golden Shoes
Mastered and the first weekend of March World Champs. So
that's going to be fantastic. But it all kicks off
really this weekend because there's only two places in the
New Zealand team available compete at the World Chance. So

(01:16:01):
they have a series of about five events through to
then and the one guy you can guarantee will be
the rating Golden Cheers chair Victor Henderson, but the rest
of them, the likes of Jack Fagan and co. They
will be competing for the other spot. So starting Alexander.
It's just got a nice ring about it, you know,
the Marino she is down and alex I like the
sound of that. There'll be you know, hundreds of people.

Speaker 22 (01:16:23):
It's a great If people have never.

Speaker 5 (01:16:24):
Been to a sharing event, they should go. You get
you get quite captivated, quite captured by it.

Speaker 2 (01:16:29):
There's a lot of good arms on display.

Speaker 5 (01:16:32):
Yeah, oh yes, yes, there are some there.

Speaker 22 (01:16:34):
Yeah yeah, look yeah, I look.

Speaker 5 (01:16:37):
I wouldn't dispute that one is like I might have
had thirty years ago.

Speaker 2 (01:16:40):
Oh yeah, yeah, it will. You know, life goals hamers,
you can always get back.

Speaker 5 (01:16:44):
I could get them back. You know. I've been scammed
as one of those things. I'm selling some weight loss
pills apparently on Facebook and the body they put me
on the arms is quite good. I take those arms.
They're sharer's arms.

Speaker 9 (01:16:56):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:16:57):
Now we're all going to go google it, don't we. Hamish,
thanks very much, Hamish MacKaye. Remember if you want to
google Hamrish mackay weight loss pills arms, it's without an A.
Speaking of a's. Actually, I've got to tell you about this.
This is a bit weird and it is a bit random,
and I apologize in advance for it, but this really
captivated me today. And he started the subject, you know
the A with the squiggle around it, with the AT sign,

(01:17:19):
you know the AT sign? Did you know that the
AT sign is three thousand years old? We have been
using the AT sign for three thousand years, which surprised
me because it just seems seems to me to have
always just been like, I've just associated it with the Internet, right,
did you ever use it? Like, come on, did you
ever use the AT sign before you were? Like Heather
at Newstalk zb dot cod and said, you know what

(01:17:41):
I mean, before we had email addresses. I never used it,
did you? If you're an accountant, you did? But no
one else did. No one else did. So we all
think it's an Internet thing. It's not. It actually started
all the way back with the ancient Greeks. I know
you're like, oh, I regret this story. No, listen, it
started all the way back with the ancient Greeks because
they have a pot they call the amphora the m foura.
You've seen them. They're the tall pots, and they've got

(01:18:03):
the two but like a sexy lady. And then they've
got the two arms, the long arms down the side,
long neck, long handles. Anyway, Greeks used to use them
to store the wine and the grains and the olive
oils and stuff like that. And so then the m
fourah became a unit of mesure, like it was a
standard unit of measure, and so they'd go, I'll sell
you three am foura of olive oil or three am

(01:18:23):
foura of I don't know, whea to whatever. And instead
of writing out am forora, because they were like the Machai's,
they were efficient, they wanted to drop things down, they
just went a squiggle around it. And that's how that's
where it comes from. It's actually the M four at
least that's the earliest. That's our earliest understanding of where
it comes from. But then of course we stopped selling
things in Amphora. So how did it stick around? Well,

(01:18:43):
the accountants took it after that, and the accountants started
using it as the kind of you know, denote how
much things are selling for, like gold three at sign whatever.
I don't really know. They were doing that. They were
using that like mental. So then as a result of that,
it was on the typewriters because the accountants, because we
were using the typewriters, were book keeping it and stuff
like that, weren't we and so they were. That was
it became standard on the typewriter. So the accountants could

(01:19:05):
use a little at sign. And then there was this
chap called Ray Tomlinson who was a computer scientist and
he was working on early internet stuff for the I
think the American military or something like that, and he
wanted to write code for being able to send messages
to each other. And so he just sat there, literally
sat there looking at the typewriter, going which out those numbers,
shod iOS, Oh look there's the at sign and he

(01:19:26):
picked it. He picked it, So he was the guy
who picked that it would go in the middle of
the address, so Heather at newstalk set. He just randomly
but could have been the exclamation, but he picked the
AT sign, and that's how the AT sign came to
be the AT sign. By the way, and the first
email was sent in nineteen seventy one as a result
of that. By the way, we call it the AT
but in other places they call it different names. So

(01:19:46):
in Taiwan they call it a little mouse. I don't
really know why. In Russian it's called a dog because
it looks like a pet sleeping. In the Hebrew it's
called a strudel, and in Dutch it's called a monkey's tale.
There you go more about THEA than you ever wanted
to know. But you're not unhappy for it, are you?
Six twenty three, whether it's macro, micro or just plain economics.

Speaker 1 (01:20:08):
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Speaker 3 (01:20:15):
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Speaker 2 (01:20:17):
News Talks far out here. That that was like watching
two planes fly over Eden Park. That is not fair.
Hither that sign is called the amer sand and percent. No,
Jared wrong that the sign you're talking about is the
AND sign that's called the A percent. This is just
called the AT sign because we're just efficient We're like,
we're not going to dick around to this. What is

(01:20:37):
it called in German klama ahpha clamba ahfa, which means
monkey holding onto something. The gym is a weird day,
six twenty six.

Speaker 1 (01:20:45):
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Speaker 2 (01:20:52):
Yeah, sorry, I'm making you listen to Kat Stevens because
he's been slammed by the immigration crackdown. May be the
fact that he calls himself useful for Islam. I'm gonna explain.
He had to cancel his US and Canada shows because
his tool was supposed to start in just three days
ahead of his new memoir Cat on the Road to
find out that's the name of it anyway, So he

(01:21:12):
took to social media saying he's very upset for the
fans who were excited to see him. But he reminded
fans that books don't need visa so they can still
read his memoir. The reason, apparently he could be having
such trouble is due to a very public conversion to
Islam in nineteen seventy seven, so that is cracking down
on him for that. Anyway. He has been an extensive promoter,
obviously of Islam throughout his career and here he is

(01:21:34):
talking about the moment that made him convert.

Speaker 25 (01:21:35):
And I was swimming in Malibu. I just realized I
had no power to hold myself up. I said, God,
if you saved me, I'll work for you. And at
that moment, a little way just came pushed me forward
and I was back on land.

Speaker 2 (01:21:51):
Wow, oh jeez. Don't you just how much did he
irritate you? Just say not as yan as yan as nice.
I liked as Jane. They think it's funny in this
team that I hate Cat Stevens with the passion that
I do, But I really do because I loved Cat
Stevens once. In fact, I got married to a Cat
Stephens song done by a trio on strings. It was beautiful.

(01:22:14):
And then I went to see him in Taranaki and
he sucked. He really did. He really sucked because he
like how he talks just then that's how he is anyway.
So they're not gonna give us anymore Cat Stephen's stories.

Speaker 3 (01:22:28):
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Speaker 1 (01:22:35):
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Speaker 10 (01:22:56):
Dena.

Speaker 2 (01:22:56):
Brady is going to be with us out of the
UK and about ten minutes so I'm quite keen to
talk to him about the involvement of Tony Blair in
the Gaza plan. And by the way, I'm just going
to bring you a little bit of analysis on that
and just to take just need to warn you October
twenty three put this in your diary. Looks like it
may be a massive day of strikes in the country.
Apparently a whole bunch of unions are thinking about striking

(01:23:17):
all on the same day. We've got two teachers unions
and the nurses union who are all interested in doing this.
The PSA of Public Services Association is also interested in
doing it. That they represent about fifteen thousand workers apparently
allied health staff, social workers, occupational therapists, nurses, mental health
workers and so on. And then there are also other

(01:23:37):
unions who are considering joining it. So October twenty three
may be a great day to just stay at home
and do nothing as well. So that's what they're doing.
Twenty four away from seven now, the Australian Reserve Bank
has held the official cash rate at three point six percent.
As we told you, earlier. The move was expected after
the bank dropped the rate by twenty five basis points
in August. Paul Bloxham is HSPECIES Chief Economist, and with

(01:23:58):
Ushi Paul, I see it's taken to some people by
surprise who were expecting a cut.

Speaker 24 (01:24:05):
No, I think this is pretty fairly expected that the
RBA was going to be on hold today. You know,
the market was fully comfortable around that.

Speaker 9 (01:24:12):
That.

Speaker 24 (01:24:12):
The real discussion today is not really about what was
going to happen today, but rather what sort of guidance
the RBA is giving about what they might do next
and whether there are further interest rate cuts yet to come.
And I think on that front, the RBA was a
little bit more hawkish, or you know, indicating that the
RBA is just a little bit more concerned that inflation

(01:24:33):
might not continue to fall towards the midpoint of its
target fan than they were perhaps previously. So so that
that's the main thing that I think the market's taken
from today, that you know, they're on hold today, and
whether there's more cuts to come is sort of where
the debate is or how many of those are rate
cuts are yet to come? Will they cut in November?
I guess it's the big question.

Speaker 2 (01:24:53):
Okay, what are they seeing in inflation?

Speaker 24 (01:24:56):
Well, we got this reading last week of this sort
of in indicator, this partial indicator, the monthly CPI indicator,
that was a little bit higher than the market had
expected for August, and that's been where a lot of
the focus of the discussion has been. Is that giving
you a clear signal that actually inflation might now be
starting to look a bit more persistent, or is that

(01:25:17):
indicator which is actually really quite noisy and quite volatile,
you know, just a partial indicator. And so you know,
the thing for the RBA is that the last reading
of the main measure they watch around at two point
seven percent, which is very much in there two to
three percent target band, of course, but they need it
to really keep heading towards the midpoint, towards two and

(01:25:38):
a half. And if it doesn't keep heading towards, then
maybe they won't be able to deliver much more easing.
And if it does, you know, head towards it, then
then we might get a couple more we might get
a little bit more easy from the RBA. But we're
getting close to the end. It does seem like the
RBA has done enough to get the economy to be
in an upswing. Growth has picked up pace, you know,
the consumers starting to spend a bit more. You is

(01:26:00):
in a modest growth up swing.

Speaker 2 (01:26:01):
Yeah, Paul. What are you expecting from the rbn Z
next week?

Speaker 24 (01:26:05):
Well, that is going to be very interesting. I mean,
I think they're going to cut, and I think that's
fairly uncontroversial that the question is going to be how
much do they take from that really weak judyp print
we got for the the last second quarter one and
do they feel the need to move even more? And so,

(01:26:26):
you know, we think that that was quite a hefty
surprise to the downside, and you know, the rbns that
had already been talking about the idea of maybe cutting
a couple more times before the end of the year.
So our leaning is that it's most likely, we think
the rbens that will probably deliver fifty basis points next week,
that they'll cut more because that that that print was

(01:26:47):
very weak. It surprised them to the downside. They'd already
be indicating that they were going to be cuts coming anyway.
So we think that's likely. Think we're going to get
the RBNZ cutting delivering a bigger cut next week.

Speaker 2 (01:26:57):
Look, I stand to be corrected, but I think I
saw BE and Z saying today that they are expecting
to hit two point two twenty five in the OCR
by Christmas time. Do you think they're on the money there?

Speaker 24 (01:27:08):
That's our viue too, So we think they go fifty
basis points next week, and then they go another twenty
five basis points in November and the cash rate would
be yes down at two twenty five by the end
of the year. Keeping in mind, you know, they've had
this big downside surprise to GDP, so growth is weak
and it's clear the economy is not quite on the
right pathway. And I think the other thing in terms

(01:27:29):
of that November mean that the second one. There's a
big gap between the November meeting and a February meeting,
So if they still feel like they need to do
a bit more even after cutting next week, that's how
we get there. So yeah, we do think there's going
to be quite a bit more easy coming through from
the ABY and Z pretty soon.

Speaker 2 (01:27:43):
Yeah, listen on that gap. It seems to be firming up.
As a bit of a discussion of topic discussion here
a topic of discussion as to whether there should be
that bigger gap between the end of the year and
the start of the year for them.

Speaker 24 (01:27:55):
What do you think, Oh, I think it is quite
a large gap between the US meeting for the year
and the one that comes along long in February, and
so you know there's a question there about whether the
timing is right, whether something should happen a bit more so,
a bit a bit sooner in between. That'll be, of
course for the RBNZ to work out, especially with the
new governor governor arriving in December.

Speaker 2 (01:28:17):
Yeah, you like the cut of her jib.

Speaker 24 (01:28:20):
I think that, you know, it's a very highly qualified
person to come and to come and run and run
the Central Bank.

Speaker 2 (01:28:28):
Absolutely, yeah, Paul, thank you very much, as always appreciated,
Paul Bloxham, hspecies Chief Economist.

Speaker 3 (01:28:35):
Together do for ce Ellen just quickly on.

Speaker 2 (01:28:37):
The COMMISCE Commission. Commerce Comission has provisionally approved that deal
between the big power generators to stock up the coal
at Huntley. You remember they talked about this genesis when
how they said we need some help, we need to
burn more coal. Everybody needs to get involved in this
needed Commerce Commissi approval looks like it's going to happen
happy about that because I don't know about you, but
I like having the lights on. So this is for

(01:28:58):
the likes of Barry soph who think that just because
it came out of Trump's mouth or Trump's White House,
it's got to be a stupid idea and can't possibly succeed.
Now I'm gonna I'm not gonna who nos. You know,
you're dealing with Israel and you're dealing with Hamas and
there are years and years and years and years and
years and years of nothing succeeding. So you know, it's
a bit of a punt as to whether it's going

(01:29:19):
to succeed as to the quality of the idea, though
it is actually getting really good marks around the world.
I've spoken to some commentators in New Zealand people who
analyze this think they are quite impressed with the idea,
and I see The Telegraph's Global Health Security editor has
written a piece today about it, and this is what
he says. He says the new Plan is the best
to be produced since the war began in terms of

(01:29:40):
its structure and scope, and is not without hope. Perhaps
its strongest point is the surprise edition, seemingly at the
last moment of mister Trump himself as the chair of
the Board of Peace. This is the body that's going
to run Gaza until such time as the Palestinian authority
has reformed and matured sufficiently to take over. It was
originally set to be chaired by Tony Blair, the former
Prime Minister of the UK, but mister Trump's presence at

(01:30:01):
the head of the table will provide a US guarantee
that few can afford to ignore. It is not yet clear,
but one suspects that the rest request came from the
Arab side, who would otherwise have worried that there was
nothing to stop Israel continuing the war after getting their
hostages back as they did in March this year. And
another strength of the plan is that it is cleverly
drafted and has mister Blair's print throughout, and basically he

(01:30:23):
goes on to say it owes a lot to the
Good Friday Agreement, seems to have borrowed a lot of
ideas from there. So there just because the idea came
from Donald Trump's White House does not mean it is
a stupid idea seventeen away from seven.

Speaker 3 (01:30:35):
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Speaker 1 (01:30:35):
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Speaker 2 (01:30:46):
Talks that'd be hither the Reserve Bank can't do any
meetings any sooner because they're all on holiday. I know that,
And that's the problem. Isn't that the problem that you
go three months between November and February or whatever it
is where they meet. By the way, W had a
locause old mate who's coming to run the reserve banks
coming from Sweden, right, so we needn't have to look
at their calendar. They have a Reserve bank decision, They
have a monetary policy decision on the eighteenth of December.

(01:31:09):
I think it's the decisions on the eighteenth, and then
the hold the press conference on the nineteenth or something
like that. But they're literally working until basically Christmas time,
and I haven't had a look at when they come
back in January. But already she's coming from a place
where they actually do they do the work right up
to Christmas, so I wouldn't be surprised. I would not
be surprised if she comes and and tidies up the
old sloppiness that's been going on at the Reserve Bank.

(01:31:30):
Keep an eye out for that anyway. Thirteen away from
seven end of Brady, UK correspondent with US. Hello Ender, Yeah,
they're great to speak to you again. Any word from
your government on Tony Blair's involvement.

Speaker 18 (01:31:41):
No, but I think there will be some today. So
clearly it's Labor Party conference the week here Stummer is
going to speak and I would imagine as soon as
journalists get near the Prime Minister that will be one
of the first questions. But look, the UK government has
been equivocal on this. The hostages have to be returned,
there needs to be a ceasefire, and there needs to
be an end to the war and goes.

Speaker 2 (01:32:01):
Do you guys have much given what Blair has managed
to do in terms of the Good Friday Agreement and
so on, do you hold hope that he's able to
do something here.

Speaker 18 (01:32:09):
Not in the Middle East? Personally, I think his name
is Mud in the Muslim world because of Iraq, so
it's hugely controversial. Yes, he did great things in Ireland.
I've interviewed him many times over the years and that
remains I would say one of his proudest achievements, getting
peace in Ireland, which is something that growing up there
in the eighties I never would have thought was possible.

(01:32:30):
And the country we have now, the peace we have. Yes,
he played a huge, huge part in that. I think
this is so different. He carries a lot of baggage
because of the Iraq War. He is not popular in
the Muslim world. But let's just see, let's give him
a chance.

Speaker 2 (01:32:45):
Yeah, okay, what about this chep who's the chief suspect
of the medal and the can disappearance? Was he got
to say for himself?

Speaker 18 (01:32:52):
So incredibly he's given an interview to Sky News. Obviously,
I was there for only two decades, and I know
the teams have been working to try and find this
guy to get him to sit down and do an interview.
He speaks good English, but he spoke mostly in German.
Christian Bruckner is his name. So he's just got out
of prison. He's on an ankle tag. He has served

(01:33:13):
a significant sentence for a sex attack on a pensioner,
a female pensioner in Portugal a long time ago. He
is now, on the face of it, a free man,
but he doesn't believe he is, so he took himself
off to the prosecutor's office in the nearest town in
Germany yesterday to demand the face to face meeting, and

(01:33:34):
he says he wants his life back, He wants the
prosecutor to stop investigating him for the disappearance of Madeline
the can and he also asked for some money so
that he could get his life back on track. Now
it's very difficult to feel sympathy for this man. He
is a convicted sex attacker. He has always denied anything
to do with the disappearance of little Madeline. However, when

(01:33:55):
he was asked the question did you abduct and murder
Madeline McCann, which is what the German police clearly believe
he did, he refused to answer. And he said, my
lawyers have told me that I can't answer for this.
I mean, it's a pretty straightforward yes or no answer,
isn't it yes? And he refused to answer. So there

(01:34:15):
are significant question marks against this guy, but for now
he is free. He denies any wrongdoing whatsoever. But he
has a hell of a situation on his hands because
what I understand, the German authorities put him into a
house at the weekend. He now so recognized him so
well known across Germany that with now was the beast

(01:34:36):
had to turn up rescue him from his nose.

Speaker 2 (01:34:38):
Yeah. Yeah, that doesn't surprise me at all. Hell Isten
the dog walkers that have been banned from going anywhere
in the a case in William's house, what are they about?

Speaker 18 (01:34:47):
Well, I've always been able to use the park in
great windsor The problem now is you've got future King
and the King after him all living under one roof
in Forest Lodge. And what they've done is they've brought
in some new legislation so effectively in barriers, more CCTV
cameras and as a two point three mile perimeter around
Forest Lodge, which Kave and William View is there forever

(01:35:08):
home with the children. Others are upset. They've come to
the newspapers, they've complained. They said they weren't consultant on this.
But look, the future King, as I say, in the
King after Him, there's only going to be one winner
here and you can't argue about the security needed to
protect William and his family.

Speaker 2 (01:35:26):
Yeah, fair enough, and thank you so much, appreciate it. Well,
talk to you in a couple of days in the Brady,
UK correspondent, ahead, look at it? Okay. So the Central
Bank in Sweden meets on the seventeenth of December this year,
make a monetary policy decision, hold the press conference the
next day of the eighteenth of December. Then they come
back meet again on the twentieth of January. Hold the

(01:35:46):
press conference of the twenty first of January. So they
have a month's Hollybob's unlike our friends at the Reserve Bank,
our Tanemahuta trees, who like to have three months holidays,
don't they listen? Is anybody else? As Gastar and I
like to get into the lives of celebrities because that
just people. But I was gutted. Weren't you to hear
about Nicole Kidman and what's his face? The drug addict?

Speaker 3 (01:36:07):
Today?

Speaker 2 (01:36:08):
I thought they looked normal, didn't they? After all of
the crap that she's been through in her relationships, so
she got the normal one. He's a noo well, I
mean he's a drug addict. But you know in that come,
I mean, well, maybe it's normal, maybe it's not. I
don't know anymore, but anyway, do you know what I mean?
Like it just looked like a normal relationship. They weren't.
They weren't like a glamour couple. They went out there

(01:36:28):
doing the Hollywood stuff. They were just doing their normal
lives and they had a couple of girls and they
were you know, she was standing by him when he
went into Rehabit now gone nineteen years, nineteen years and
it's over apparently, been separated since July. Genuinely gutted, There goes,
There goes one of the last hopes of a marriage
a ate away from seven.

Speaker 1 (01:36:48):
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Speaker 2 (01:36:56):
Heather. They might work right up until Christmas in Sweden
because it's the winter, and then the Christmas school holidays
are only two weeks. But the long breaks are in summer,
aren't they. Chris, Actually, you do make a fair point.
You do make a fair point. They do have they go.
They seem to go sort of like every couple of
monthsish with decisions and so on, and then the big
break is between June and September. So what's that July

(01:37:18):
or September. Yeah, so they take a three month So basically,
what conclusion we've come to a central bankers all need
a three month holiday.

Speaker 9 (01:37:26):
Don't you.

Speaker 2 (01:37:27):
I mean, come on, don't you need a three month holiday?
You know, because you're doing you're using your brain as
much as they are, aren't you? In Lord anyway? Jeez,
we need to stop being so lazy. It is the
turn of the comedians, by the way, to get in
trouble for the Saudi money. It's five away from seven,
I should tell you, because we've had We've had the golfers,

(01:37:47):
we've had the rugby players. Are going to get in
trouble for everybody who takes Saudi money gets in trouble
for the old Saudi washing. And now it's the Read
Comedy Festival, which has been billed as the world's largest
comedy festival, which is going to take place at some point.
I think it's next year. I've booked fifty international comedians
and because they're Soudi's, they're going large, because they've got
the money to go large. So you know, we New
Zealand Comedy Festival, we're lucky if we get one international

(01:38:10):
headliner to come here. You know they've got Dave Chappelle,
Kevin Hart, Pete Davidson. That's not even exhaust of like,
the list goes on and on, and as we've seen
with the golf and all the other sport, these guys
are get in trouble, getting in trouble for taking the
Saudi money. So get used to this idea. Saudi money
is coming to every single sector by the looks of things.
Kenzy got something for the Oasis fans.

Speaker 26 (01:38:32):
Ever, Oh yes, so if you miss tickets to their show,
don't worry because they might be coming back next year.
So Liam Gallagher, this was at the Wembley Stadium. He
was saying a big gold gombye to everyone, thanking everyone.
He gave audiences a bit of a tease, he said,
and I quote, see you next year.

Speaker 2 (01:38:50):
How good would that be? Now? Do you know what
I did the other day? I went to Kmart and
I was in I don't know why. I think I
had to. I think I was instructed to go and
buy as an incentive treat for the children to the
child a remote controlled card. I thought, I'm not spending
a lot of money on us, You're gonna get something
from Kmart. So I went there and I found a
seventeen dollar rip off Oasis merchandise T shirt. So I

(01:39:12):
bought it for the Oasis gig did.

Speaker 26 (01:39:14):
Yes because you're going, aren't you.

Speaker 2 (01:39:15):
I am exciting, Thank you. I could go on thank
you now. I had something to wear, that's right, and
they'll think I spent legit money on it and I didn't.
It was seventeen dollars cour I think Scottish enjoy See
you tomorrow, savee Man.

Speaker 25 (01:39:33):
One that Saves Man.

Speaker 1 (01:40:10):
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