Full Show Podcast: 06 October 2025

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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Pressing the newsmakers to get the real story. It's Heather
dupericy Ellen Drive with One New Zealand to coverage like
no one else.

Speaker 2 (00:10):
News Talks Heavy Afternoon.

Speaker 3 (00:14):
Welcome to the show. Coming up today. Winston Peters on
why we've paid six million dollars to some more for
the sinking of the money w Nui which happened a
year ago. Our reporter on the start of the Pacati
White Island in quest. And an expert on why parents
are not teaching their kids how to cook anymore.

Speaker 2 (00:28):
Heather duper Cyllen, Let's agree.

Speaker 3 (00:30):
On something, and what I want us to agree on
is that kicking eighteen and nineteen year old kids off
the doll which the government announced yesterday they're bringing forward
is going to be tough on those kids in the families.

Speaker 2 (00:40):
Right.

Speaker 3 (00:40):
Let's agree on that, because that's true. The income threshold
for the parents is low. If those parents, whether it's
one or two of them, the combined the combined parental
income is more than sixty five thousand, five hundred and
twenty nine dollars, the kids cannot get the doll Now,
that is not a lot of money, right, that's about
twelve twelve hundred dollars two hundred and sixty dollars a week,

(01:02):
right then you still have to take the tax off that,
frankly I reckon that would stretch most people just by
themselves to make ends meet, never mind feeding and housing
two adults and then a hungry teenager and whatever else,
whatever other kids you've got in the house as well.
So if the kids cannot get a job, which is
you know, going to be difficult at the moment, it's
going to make it really hard without the extra money
that the dole payment would bring in. And the alternative,

(01:24):
as I just indicated, of getting a job is not easy.
Right now, unemployment is the highest it's been in five years.
But even if it is hard, it still is the
right thing to do because we know that if you
go on the doll under the age of twenty, you
are on average going to stay on the doll for
twenty three years. Now that ruins a life. The doll

(01:44):
is not a life. It is a waste of a
young person's opportunities if they're sitting there until they're what
in their late thirties early forties. What this policy is
trying to do is to force those kids to either
do the hard thing at the moment and get the job,
or go and study, which does come for a family
earning that little with some financial assistance from the government
and student allowances, that is building a future. Now, I

(02:06):
think the mowners who've already come out to criticize the
government's policy here need to ask themselves whether they would
prefer those kids to stay on the doll or go
out and find a job even if it's hard to do,
or go and get some study done. Is that what
they want? Do they really want the kids to sit
on the doll? Because sometimes, and I do not want
to sound glib about it, because this is very very
serious stuff for a family, but sometimes the hard thing

(02:27):
to do is actually the right thing to do for
the future.

Speaker 2 (02:30):
Heather do for see Allen.

Speaker 3 (02:35):
Nine, who's the text number? Are stat of text fees apply?
And we'll have a chat to the huddle about it.
And of course Nikola willis Finance Minister who's with us
as always on a Monday after six o'clock. Now, there
is a worrying rise in amputations amongst diabetes patients at
the moment. Figures show that there's been a fifty percent
increase in amputations since twenty sixteen, with over one thy
two hundred lower limb amputations conducted just last year. Simon

(02:57):
Spate is a p diatrist and head of the Diabetes
Speace interest group at p Dietary in New Zealand. Hey Simon, hi.

Speaker 4 (03:03):
Here, how are you well?

Speaker 5 (03:04):
Thanks?

Speaker 4 (03:04):
All true? What you say?

Speaker 3 (03:06):
Oh, well that's the thank you and you didn't even
have to text end to see first off the blocks.
Thank you, Simon. Now, Simon, how is it getting to
the point where people are having to have I mean,
they presumably know they've got diabetes. How are they having
to have amputations done?

Speaker 4 (03:20):
Well? Amputation just means to cut around or literally prune,
and as you say, this is what's going on. But
when they're diagnosed, the GPS always and all the other
health professionals are trying to educate them from their sphere
of practice. They're trying to get good control of the diabetes.
It's the sugar levels, the blood pressure, the cholesterol. Just

(03:41):
start with those three for a kicker, and they're just
trying to get those levels sorted out right from the
get go, because if they let any of those proceed
twenty thirty forty years later down the track. That's when
these things can happen. I'm talking about the type twos,
which is about ninety five percent of the diabetes pop
that's the one where this it's really bad.

Speaker 3 (04:03):
Okay, So when we talk about amputations, we obviously go
to the worst place in our minds. But you're saying
it can just be a trimming of a bit of flesh.

Speaker 4 (04:10):
Well, you can just take a toe off and the
patient leads a damn good life. The the circulation can
pack up in a small toe, and so it's a
really good operation. And so it's not all doom and
gloom for amputations. They call them minor amputations, but they
can and often are very successful.

Speaker 3 (04:30):
Do you guys do it yourself's pediatrists?

Speaker 4 (04:33):
No, No, But we are the steps so to get
the hospitals are the pediatrists in the hospital or the
DHB or THETU order around the country. They're the ones
that will refer them into the surgical teams and sometimes
a lot of the time the surgeons are on site
and they have regular meetings monthly or week or whatever

(04:56):
so that they can send them their way for an
opinion treatment.

Speaker 3 (05:01):
Now, I mean, we've been speaking quite a lot lately
about the postcode lottery, but it seems to me this
may be another case of it, and that's in some
parts of the country and I'm thinking, you know, Southen
and Gisbon they have fewer than five pediatrists for the
whole region. So is that causing a bit of a
problem there.

Speaker 4 (05:16):
Look, there's always going to be resourcing and funding in
various areas that you can't get right. Helen Clark once
said you can never throw enough money at the health boats.
So if you're listening, Auntie Helen, it's still correct.

Speaker 3 (05:27):
Longtime listener of the show. Actually, Simon, thank you very
much man, it's really lovely to talk to you. Look
after yourself. Simon Spake, pediatrist and head of the diabetes
special interest group at p Dietary in New Zealand. So,
the mother of the three Phillips children has appeared in
court today and because we knew that she got done
for the drink driving, didn't we But it turns out

(05:48):
she actually crashed her car while she was drink driving.
It was August the second she was three times the
legal driving limit when they finally managed to test the
alcohol the blood or the breath or whatever it was,
she crashed her Nissan into the side of the road
and then flip the vehicle. So I wasn't one of
those small ones. It was a reasonable sized dinger. Anyway,
it turns out that's the first that's the first thing

(06:08):
that we learned today. The second thing we learned today
is that she's actually had previous run ins with the police,
which I'm telling you because I feel like this is
going to fill in a few blanks for you here
about perhaps why Tom Phillips originally had custody of the kids.
Maybe I weren't deducing here. She was represented in court
by her lawyer, Craigtuck, who said although she had previous convictions,

(06:29):
this was the first time for drink driving. So she
was fined four hundred dollars. She was disqualified for twenty
eight days, and when she's back driving again, she's only
allowed to drive a vehicle that has an alcohol interlock fitted.
That will last for a year, and then after that
there will be a zero alcohol license for three years.
Thirteen past four.

Speaker 1 (06:47):
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Speaker 6 (06:54):
Here.

Speaker 3 (06:55):
The police note that this policy for the eighteen year
olds doesn't come in until November next year, and by
then we could be an a very different position and
jobs may not be so difficult, which is a fair
point from Maggie sixteen past.

Speaker 1 (07:04):
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Speaker 3 (07:11):
Jason Pine sports talk hosters with us Piney Hello, Hello, Heather, Okay,
what happens now for Dame Noles.

Speaker 7 (07:16):
I don't think she's coming back, do you? I don't
not see her way back. I don't see her way
back for Dame Noline Toto in hour thing.

Speaker 3 (07:22):
Honey, hasn't she been benched for the rest of the
year and then her contracts up early next year? Anyway?

Speaker 7 (07:26):
No, I think contract goes past the Commonwealth Games next year.
So yeah, so she does have a bit of time
left on a contract, but you're right, she's not going
to take the team this year. They've spent the last
week trying to nut this out around a mediation table
and clearly haven't been able to reach agreement or even
compromise on a couple of things, or maybe more than
a couple of things. Jenny Wiley on the radio yesterday

(07:47):
with me didn't even confirm that they were going to
continue mediation, So I don't quite know where we go
from here. It just seems as though there's no meeting
point in the middle.

Speaker 3 (07:56):
Well, isn't the clue in the fact that the Players
Association said that they've got nothing to do with this
anymore because it's now an employment matter, And you know
what an employment matter means, right, means someone's getting sacked.

Speaker 7 (08:06):
Well, I think a lawyers sit around to come up
with a number, don't they That that feels to me
what happens in matters like this. Without wanting to depersonalize
this too much, and it must have been very stressful
for Dame Nolen, for everybody else involved in the process,
for the players, I mean, now we've got a divided
playing group as well, Heather. You know there are players
in that group who have openly Grace Wiki for one,
Karen Berger for another, backed Dame Nolen and want her back.

(08:29):
There are others in that group who clearly would rather
have somebody else at their helm. So look, it's a
divided team with a few issues to work through. They've
got games against Australia coming up, which are never easy
at the best of times, and still no resolution in sight,
whether it be a you know, a departure for Dame
Noles or what we do.

Speaker 3 (08:48):
So it's just an absolute mess now here. I think,
I think Piney, that there are going to be real
questions about Jenny Wiley and maybe even I don't know
the board after this, don't you think?

Speaker 8 (08:59):
Well, I think so.

Speaker 7 (09:00):
I think you oversee something like this. Questions have to
be then asked of you, don't they It's the CEO's
job to implement the strategy set out by the board.
But this feels like an operational matter to me. This
is a a if we again related across a workplace.
I think if you or I were having an employment dispute,
we wouldn't be before the board, would We would be

(09:21):
before our manager or you know. So it feels operational.
So yes, I think the way it's been handled, the
lack of transparency in particular, certainly has to be questioned,
and yeah, questions do need to be asked.

Speaker 3 (09:33):
What I'm suggesting to you is I think that their
jobs are on the line. I think Jenny Wiley's job
is on the line here as well. Depending on how
hard people want to push on her, because if you
listen to Vonn Willering, the netball community is angry at her.

Speaker 7 (09:45):
Oh and the widest sporting community too. Netball has now
been tarnished with a really, really bad brush. And look,
I think you're absolutely right. I think the way that
this has been handled has been suboptimal, and that's probably
putting it nicely. So yeah, I think you do have
to have to have that examination when this process runs
its course.

Speaker 3 (10:03):
So have we got the faith in the all Blacks? Now?
I enjoyed?

Speaker 8 (10:09):
No, I that was an ambivalent, wasn't it.

Speaker 7 (10:13):
Look I enjoyed parts of Saturday night, enjoyed the fact
we won, enjoyed the fact we've got the bonus point,
and joyed the fact that Quinte Pyre looks like a
very very good proposition at center. I'll need to see
more evidence. I think if they sweep the Grand Slam
part of the year Island, Scotland, England, Wales, then I
think we can say, hey, they are headed in the
right direction, but we probably need a greater body of work.

Speaker 5 (10:32):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (10:33):
Fair, Listen, you're a tough You're tough, a piney, you
are tough. I appreciate your time, mate, That's Jason Pine
Sports Talk post seven o'clock tonight here on News Talk ZB.
By the way, can I just say, just really quickly,
on Dame Noles, I hope Dame Knowles does not sign
an NDA in whatever is going on here, because I
want to hear Dame Knowles's version, because I have a

(10:54):
strong suspicion that when Dame, if Dame Noles was to
stand up and say, hey guys, this is what happened,
this is how went down, I have a strong suspicion
most of New Zealand would go hmm, yeah. Dame Noles
sounds like she was actually okay in this whole thing,
and everybody else has been bits of douchebags here. So
I hope she doesn't sign an NDAT which would gag her,

(11:14):
and I hope that she's able to talk after this
whole and I hope she gets a lot of money
out of Netball New Zealand, because that is really going
to put the pressure on them. They don't have a
lot of money and that, by the looks of things,
the stuffing up they've done is going to cost them
a lot. Just quickly. On the rugby league, I love,
I am loving rugby League every day more than I
did before, because did you see the women's final descended
into a mass brawl yesterday? The final whistle went and

(11:36):
then all these birds just started punching each other on
the field, and these other birds who were standing on
the side of the field saw that the other birds
were punching each are just like ran in. You could
just see the absolute glee in their faces at being
able to just join this brawl, and that one of
them came out with a split lip, and the noses
was nasty, whose hideous. It's just wild. It's really poor behavior,

(11:57):
and you do not want your children to do that
or even have this role model to them. But it's
incredibly entertaining and I just love it. For twenty one.

Speaker 1 (12:05):
Digging deeper into the day's headlines, it's Heather Fuit Clan
drive with one New Zealand coverage like no one else
youth talks.

Speaker 3 (12:14):
That'd be yeah, then nothing happened to Mark Robertson at
the New Zealand Rugby Union, so I can't see in
them having a go at the CEO of Netball New
Zealand's fairport. I mean Mark Robinson stuff things. Remember when
he tried to sack Fozzy, Like remember when he tried
to hire Robertson and then he flew over to sack Fozzy,
and then Fozzy won the game against the South Africa,
So he'd flown all the way to sack Fozzy, but
then he couldn't sack remember that. But we all knew

(12:35):
he was flying there to sack Fozzy and what a
complete stuff up that was. He still maintained his job.
So Jenny's probably going to keep her job because she's
What she's done is bad, but not that bad, not
as bad as that four twenty five. Now, I'll tell
you talking about bad. What about Adrian All getting the
golden parachute of four hundred and sixteen thousand dollars. So
we've only just discovered this today because the Reserve Bank

(12:56):
put out its annual report today and we knew that
he was going to be paid some exit money when
he quit in March, but we did not know how much.
So we find out today that it's four hundred and
sixteen thousand dollars, which is apparently six months of his pay,
offset against any income that he received during the period.
But we also find out it's due to be paid
this month, which I think probably goes some way to

(13:17):
explaining why he's been so quiet over the last wee
while while everybody else, like everybody piled in to the
Adrian or Neil Quigley story, and I did think, I thought, jeez,
Adrian's being remarkably quiet. All that's because he's waiting for
his full sixteen K and when he gets that, who
knows what's going to happen. Anyway, the explanation, First of all,
this is a croc because he wasn't fired, right, it

(13:40):
wasn't it was he quit like he well, actually, let's
flip this around. He was going to be fired. He
was going to be fired. You don't pay somebody if
you fire them because they've misbehaved. A golden parachute. Well,
I don't know, maybe you do. We'll ask Nichola Willis
about it after six. But the croc, the bigger croc,
is that the Reserve Bank is now saying it's a

(14:01):
restraint of trade payment. Because what we were try, what
did we think he was going to go work for
another central bank? Come off it? There was He wasn't
going to go to a competitor. All the competitors looked
at him and thought, hmm, that was that was junk.
There was never like whatever. Anyway, Luxeon's been asked about
it while he's at the post cabinet press conference.

Speaker 9 (14:22):
Well, that's an employment matter for the bank to talk threats.
Questions should be directed to them.

Speaker 10 (14:26):
What do you think taxpayers will think about four hundred
thousand dollars going to someone who under and like a
restrained trade package.

Speaker 9 (14:32):
Well, again, I'm just saying to you, there's an employment
contract between the governor and the bank board. They are
the people that need to answer that. You should direct
your questions to them.

Speaker 4 (14:39):
Promise or what do you think about it?

Speaker 11 (14:41):
Well?

Speaker 9 (14:41):
I have a lot of thoughts on a lot of things,
but I just say to you, I don't I don't
sign off on a contract.

Speaker 3 (14:46):
I mean, come on, Luckson, just say say what we're
all thinking, bummer that we had to pay this much
money to somebody who was sucking at their job and
packed a tanty. Anyway, we'll talk to nch Ll Willis
about it. Also got the hud altrition. Josie will probably
want to have a say on this. I'm sorry to
tell you that it sounds like the protesters were at
Winston's house again last night. So that happened on Thursday night.

(15:09):
It's actually been happening for months that I'm aware of.
The cops went to the property last night about ten
to eight. There were twenty people there. They told them
to naf off and they did. They did leave. They
left by about half past eight. And from the sounds
of things, it's reasonably noisy, like they're not just standing
there with flags being quiet. They're chanting and the banging
drums and the carrying on. Winston's with us on an
unrelated matter after five. But we'll just see it. We'll

(15:31):
check in with them and just see if this did
actually happened last night. News is Next new Storg, said Ban.

Speaker 1 (15:42):
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Speaker 12 (16:05):
Love Listen.

Speaker 3 (16:06):
We need to talk about parents not teaching the kids
how to cook, which is increasingly a thing. Heather. We'll
do it. We'll do it before this hour is out. Heather.
You may be across this one already, but when you
were on holiday, oh make Chloe was busted flying business
class to London courtesy of the New Zealand Insurance Counsel.
I know, I know, there are some things that are
just so good that you have to enjoy them while

(16:26):
on holiday. And I did thoroughly enjoy that because anybody
like Chloe, you know, fighting for the impoverished, worried about
climate change, then sitting in business class and flying all
the way to London, it's just such beautiful hypocrisy you
can hardly you can hardly ignore it. Listen. Just the
reason we're getting Winston on, by the way, is we're
going to talk about this payment to the p Salmoran government.

(16:48):
We've just paid six million to them for the sinking
of the Manawinui, which happened a year ago. So he's
sort of like, why are we paying them now? And
what's at four? It's not for the cleanup because we've
as far as I understand, we've largely done the cleanup.
So anyway, we'll we'll get the hot take on it
from them when he's with us. Barry Soper also is
going to be a US and ten minutes time, it's
twenty four away from five.

Speaker 1 (17:06):
It's the World Wires on News Talks they'd be drive.

Speaker 3 (17:10):
Mediators are in Egypt today for peace talks between Hamas
and Israel. Trump wants things to happen quickly.

Speaker 13 (17:15):
They're in negotiation right now as we respect.

Speaker 8 (17:18):
They've started the negotiation.

Speaker 2 (17:21):
It allows a couple of days.

Speaker 8 (17:22):
We'll see how it turns out.

Speaker 14 (17:23):
But I'm hearing it's going very well.

Speaker 3 (17:25):
Over in the UK, the Tories say they will remove
three quarters of a million illegal immigrants within five years.
Here's the leader, Kemi bad Knock, tired of us as
asking all of these irrelevant questions about where should they go.
They will go back to where they should do or
another country, but they should not be there. And the
Conservatives so they'll also ban anyone who entered the UK
without permission from ever being able to claim asylum. And finally,

(17:50):
long lost treasure has been found off the coast of Florida.
More than one thousand silver and gold coins were bound
for Spain in the year seventeen fifteen when a hurricane
left the ship wrecked. The coins are worth more than
a million dollars.

Speaker 1 (18:02):
International correspondence with ends and eye insurance, Peace of mind
for New Zealand business.

Speaker 3 (18:07):
Oliver Peterson six pur Per Live presenters with us.

Speaker 15 (18:10):
Ali, Yeah, I can just tell you Willing, you're ready
to talk about the bledders Low Cup, but let's let's
talk about something else.

Speaker 16 (18:17):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (18:17):
No, But also I mean not only that, I don't
want to rub it in with you because you know
it's it's how long has it been.

Speaker 8 (18:24):
Don't I don't know if they've ever won an in
my lifetime.

Speaker 3 (18:25):
Now I was wondering about that. Yeah, anyway, so never mind,
It's not like you're going to miss something you've never had.

Speaker 8 (18:30):
But we need to find.

Speaker 15 (18:31):
A number ten though, right, Like we just we just
need a good fly half so that'd be.

Speaker 8 (18:35):
A nice stuff day.

Speaker 3 (18:36):
You were saying that you like him.

Speaker 15 (18:37):
No, no, he's rubbish, no good playing very badly.

Speaker 8 (18:41):
Did he bring back Quaid Cooper?

Speaker 3 (18:44):
Well, I just want to point out to you that
in both cases your number ten's and New Zealanders, you're welcome, okay.
But also did you see the brawl at the rugby
league with the women?

Speaker 8 (18:55):
You see? I did know?

Speaker 2 (18:56):
How is that?

Speaker 3 (18:56):
How good was that?

Speaker 2 (18:57):
Though?

Speaker 4 (18:58):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (18:58):
Right, there's nothing nothing is a sighting as Bogan girls
having a fight.

Speaker 8 (19:03):
I reckon or reckon the Wallabies should go and get
ree s Walsh.

Speaker 15 (19:06):
He should just play number ten in the World Cup,
was Marky Marx coming back to rugby.

Speaker 8 (19:09):
That'll be all right. Look, we'll win the World Cup
in twenty twenty seven.

Speaker 3 (19:12):
The semze actually, I mean the because you've got a
keywek coach. It's entirely possible and once again you're welcome.
Now tell me why was this chap firing all these
bullets in Sydney.

Speaker 8 (19:21):
Well, this is sort of some gang land attack.

Speaker 15 (19:24):
But how scary is this picture at last night Croydon
Park in Sydney's Inner West, out of an apartment complex window,
one hundred bullets rained down on this shopping street in
Croydon Park.

Speaker 8 (19:37):
This is really scary stuff on the streets of Sydney.
It is some dramatic police video.

Speaker 15 (19:42):
You can hear police yelling at the man not to
move and place his hands out of the window and
shatter glass. The technical blies that to get involved in
this and they arested a sixty year old man two
hours after his alleged shooting spree began. We still are
waiting to hear more information from police, but they are
so worried about what's happened here, these shots being fired
Croydon Park. Look, it's a busy spot in southwest of

(20:03):
Sydney and it's something that you would not expect on
the streets anywhere. But the footage is showing police at
to take cover, trying to assist members of the public
exactly what this is connected to or why this guy
did it. They're still releasing some more information, but very
scary scenes on the streets of Sydney last night.

Speaker 3 (20:20):
What's going to happen in Canberra with the talco bosses.

Speaker 8 (20:22):
Well, they're going to face Aniica Wells tomorrow.

Speaker 15 (20:24):
The Communications Minister has called up the telco bosses of Optus,
Telstra and tch PG. She wants to make sure, particularly
heading into summer, that the Triple zero network isn't going
to go down. With the bushfire season approaching, they're expecting
quite a hostile reception from the Australian Communications Minister. And
I just see the Prime Minister at the new Albernezi
and James marape Of. Obviously P and J finally signed

(20:47):
that security pack. So everything's hunky dory in the region now, header.

Speaker 3 (20:52):
Well, I suppose. So now you can't win the bled Slow,
but you won an international porridge Awards. So that's right,
I had porridge. If you like porridge, I'm disgusting.

Speaker 8 (21:02):
That's wrong with you. It's great.

Speaker 3 (21:04):
It's the consistency. It's the consistency of it. It's also
the flavor, which is nothing.

Speaker 8 (21:08):
But Uncle Toby's.

Speaker 15 (21:09):
Like I have the Uncle Toby's oates, so with a
little bit of honey in it, maybe a tiny bit
of brown sugar.

Speaker 8 (21:13):
I n't that for breakfast this morning? It's yum. Yeah,
I don't know, feeling like Goldilocks.

Speaker 3 (21:17):
Don't like is there any protein in there? Just feels
like a really intense sugar and carb sugar spike.

Speaker 8 (21:22):
Kind of It's like eating mush right.

Speaker 15 (21:24):
But anyway, if you thought you have thought about having
porridge jaffles with rum.

Speaker 3 (21:29):
Banana, don't even know what any of the stuff is.

Speaker 15 (21:32):
Right, this isn't the Caroline Villick's prize winning recipe at
the International Porridge Awards.

Speaker 8 (21:38):
How good is that? It's been making use of a
jaffle iron.

Speaker 15 (21:42):
This is what was an Australian mention of the food
enthusiast race to a Bondi Man back in nineteen forty nine.
She's just taken it to the world stage and her
porridge jaffle with rum banana is being acknowledged just perhaps
the greatest porridge recipe in the world at the Golden
Spurtle World Porridge Making Championships.

Speaker 8 (22:00):
Can you bleed us low cup where you as a sun?

Speaker 3 (22:02):
That's right, you remember that? Thank you, Ollie, Oliver Pterison
six pr Perth Life forst What even is a jaffel?

Speaker 11 (22:08):
So?

Speaker 3 (22:08):
Is it a waffle? Is it a waffle with some
other thing that's going on at the front that I'm
supposed to know about? Anyway, nineteen away from five to Ellen.
I'm very excited to say that I have corrected one
of the crimes in my life and I have finally
put my credit card on my phone. Do you remember
how I was saying last week I didn't do the thing. Well,
I did the thing because and what what pushed me
to it was? Okay, I was in Glinorky at the

(22:30):
who I mean, have you ever been to Glenorky' That's
a weird place. Ay, that's weird. There's like nothing. It's
just like a little town in the middle of the road.
It's like a road going down through the mountains and
then Cook there's a little town with a couple of
streets going the other anyway. So it's in Glenorky for
a conference, and I know it's the whole thing is weird.
It's it's fight club or Eyes Wide Shafts or something,

(22:51):
and I'm pretending it's a conference. Anyway. So I was
at the conference and we weren't We're in this like
eco lodge thing, and we weren't staying there. We were
staying across the road. Oh, I know an airbnb anyway,
and I left my I'd left my money and stuff
in the airbnb, and I was just as I was
there in the evening at the conference, just with my
phone and nothing else. And then at the dinner, wrapped

(23:11):
up and stuff. And then I was like, oh, it's
really like a beer. And I didn't have my money.
So I went to my friend hoshe'll remain unnamed, but
she knows how she is, and I said, oh my,
I was like, I don't have any money, can you
buy me a beer? And because I didn't have my
thing on my phone. But then what happened was she
doesn't even drink, So I knew I was asking a
really big solid off her, like she's not gonna buy

(23:31):
herself a beer, but I'm asking her to buy me
a beer. She's like, yeah'll buy you a beer. And
then but then then Toby was like, I'll have a
beer two, and then some other bird was like, I'll
have a rose. And before we knew it, she had
a fifty dollar drink spill and she hadn't even she
won't even having anything. So I thought, this can't go on,
and you've just got to be a grown up, Heather
and put welcome to twenty twenty five. So I put
the phone on the thing and the credit card on

(23:53):
the phone. The credit card is on the phone. Now
will I will be the person buying your drinks? You
will not buy me drinks? It is sorted. I got home,
it's very excited about this. This is like two days later.
I'm like, mum, look at this, I've put my my
mom doesn't live with I'm not a child. My mother
was at my house and like, I don't live with
my mom. Anyway, I went up to her and I
was like, Mum, look, I'll put my credit card on
my phone. Yay, And then she said can you do

(24:15):
it for me? So we now have two members of
my family who as of this weekend, are living in
twenty twenty five as opposed to the nineteen nineties we
were living in before. That is fantastic. Hey, this show
is changing people's lives, namely mine sixteen Away from.

Speaker 1 (24:30):
Five Politics with Centrics, Credit, check your customers and get
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Speaker 3 (24:35):
A jaffel is a South African and Australian name for
a sealed, closed toasted sandwich which was made with a
jaffele iron that clamps the bread and filling together, creating
sealed edges and often a pattern on the bread. Megan,
thank you thirteen Away from five. Barry Soaper, senior political
correspondence with us Allo.

Speaker 16 (24:51):
Barry, I've had many Jeffels in my life, Heather, have you, though, yes,
I have. I know exactly what it.

Speaker 3 (24:56):
Is, Okay, it's hard to know whether you're lying or not,
which is a fun not great for a so called
trusted broadcast Anyway. What do you make of the government
bringing ford the policy on the doll for the kids.

Speaker 16 (25:08):
Well, it's a bit of an announcement of an announcement
because he knew about it in the budget, that's why
they were planning. But it's been fleshed out of it,
which is good. That anyone earning more than sexty five
thousand dollars a year, they'll be required to support their
unemployed eighteen and nineteen year olds. Now, sixty five grand
a year is not a lot of money, as we know,
and if you've got an eighteen year old boy who

(25:30):
eats a supermarket full of food every day, you're going
to have a bit of a problem. But the point
that Christopher Luxen made at his post cabinet news conference
is that look, if you allow these people to go
straight on to the doll from school, which is shown
to be the case, there are fifteen eighteen to nineteen

(25:50):
year olds on job seeker support at the moment, and
another four thousand will become eligible when the changes kick in.
So there's a lot of kids out there that are
not working, and the point that Christopher Luxon makes is
that they should shift for jobs.

Speaker 17 (26:08):
Now.

Speaker 16 (26:08):
I remember when I was a teenager, I left home
at seventeen, and you know, I was a big enough
boy to be away from home. And I'm sure there
are many eighteen year olds mature enough these days to
do likewise. But look, the budget document show that will
save the government about eighty four million dollars a year. Well,
Chris Luckson didn't put the figure as high as that,

(26:30):
but he did encourage young people to move around the country.
As I say, his message to the eighteen and nineteen
year olds is that we love you. That's what he said.
We love you, but we don't want you can signed
to a life of welfare.

Speaker 9 (26:44):
The message very clearly is to all parentss play your
part and get your young person out connected to work
or training or education. We're playing our part by saying, look,
that's just not a natural pathway that you just get
to drift on into welfare. We leave you there for
eighteen years is not going to happen. We want to
do everything we can to you into good jobs.

Speaker 16 (27:01):
It's incredible that we've got this idea that it is
a wealthare country. But you can live for so long
receiving a handout. I mean, I've never had a hand
up my life. I find it.

Speaker 3 (27:14):
Well, that's not true. You get the winter energy payment,
don't you true that?

Speaker 11 (27:18):
Men?

Speaker 3 (27:18):
Don't you?

Speaker 16 (27:19):
Oh that's right. I'm a trusted broadcaster to too.

Speaker 3 (27:22):
So you're getting your own kind And I take your point,
and yes, it is nutty. It is nutty. That we're
raising this many kids who think they're just sitting on
your butt on the doll is a perfectly good life. Totally,
it's not. Okay. Hey, I'm struggling to understand what exactly
do the families of these three kids who are held
in Israeli detention want.

Speaker 18 (27:40):
Well.

Speaker 16 (27:40):
I listened to the three of them and I'm not
quite sure they They obviously are being coached by the Greens. Yeah,
because the Greens host of them at a news conference
today and they piled on the government and said that
the government should be taking action against Israel. Now we
know that Choe Swarbrick has got a bill in the

(28:02):
biscuit and for action to be taken, sanctions to be
taken against Israel, so they were pushing that there today.
Chloe Swarbrick she lambethta the government for remaining silent on
getting the three these three on the polatilla back to
New Zealand.

Speaker 11 (28:21):
The government Christopher Luxen has a legal obligation under the
Genocide Convention to do everything that he possibly can to
prevent genocide, and right now he is refusing to disengage
from business as usual with Israel, who it is well
documented are currently committing a genocide. These three New Zealanders

(28:41):
were operating entirely legally. Israel has not and our government
has a legal obligation to respond two years into this
genocide in Gaza. What is the hold up for our government?
By no for a fact that right now there are
backbench government enps who feel compelled to act, who have
a conscience, but they are currently terrified to step outside

(29:03):
of their party lines.

Speaker 16 (29:05):
So what they were plugging there was that would take
six government MPs to cross the floor and support the bill,
and they would have a majority to pass it. But look,
Christopher Luxanada's news conference said that they have criticized and
they have round the the the reaction over reaction of
Israel to what has been happening in Gaza, and beyond that,

(29:28):
I don't know what New Zealand, a country five million
people at the bottom of the world, can do to
stop this action.

Speaker 3 (29:34):
We could tax actions, we could impost a well, none
of the wilder is right, so it's a failure by everybody,
but we don't.

Speaker 16 (29:41):
Israel is not a main trading partner, but they do
have a lot.

Speaker 3 (29:46):
Of technological It is about collective action though, Hey, what
do you make of Adrian Or getting the four hundred
and sixty dollars.

Speaker 16 (29:54):
Well, if you listened to the Taxpayers Union, so they
say that Adrian Or is an ill ten bully whose
actions cost the tax bay billions of dollars. So why
should he walk off with a handshake of almost half
a million dollars when he earns just under eight hundred
thousand dollars a year. So that brought his final paypacket

(30:14):
for the year up to one point two million dollars,
which incidentally was about the same as he was earning
when he was at the Superannuation Fund. He probably wishes
now he had kept that job, but look, it's a
restraint of trade the four hundred and sixty thousand dollars
he has paid. But it does you have to ask
the question where would a reserve bank governor go to

(30:37):
be competitive in the workplace and why should they have reside?

Speaker 3 (30:43):
Where is he going to go to it to an
alternative central bank? Right, not going to happen. It's going
to happen very thing. That's because it's a crock, isn't it.
It's just a basically it's a shutting.

Speaker 16 (30:53):
Look every chef executive which is essentially what he was
always has in their contract, a golden handshake written out.

Speaker 3 (31:00):
Okay, Barry, thanks very much, Barry. So for seeing your
political correspondence coming up seven away from.

Speaker 1 (31:04):
Five, the headlines and the hard questions. It's the Mic
Hosking Breakfast.

Speaker 19 (31:09):
Climates the will us this open letter you tried on
with Hipkins and he said what he said, were you genuine?

Speaker 1 (31:15):
Yeah?

Speaker 18 (31:15):
I was.

Speaker 9 (31:16):
If you go back and look at the house in
the Parliament. I've been calling on him to do this
for a long time, as I've said to Hipkins, as
if you can't get over yourself and over the oil
and gas band, we need that repealed for at least
a decade. So why don't you just commit to that
pretty basic sort of requirement because it's your mess and
your ideology that put us in this place.

Speaker 19 (31:31):
But the problem is they've got you by the shortened
curlies in that sense. Happened though, because if I'm looking
at this country and I don't have any sight beyond
next year, why would I invest when I don't know
what's going to happen yet? Back tomorrow at six am
the Mic Hosking Breakfast with Maybe's Real Estate news talk z.

Speaker 3 (31:47):
B hither the Adrian or restraint of trade makes it
tax free? How lucky is he? How good is that
four hundred and sixteen thousand dollars without having to pay
tax on it? Now, there is a bit of conn
about whether we're teaching our kids to cook or not.
Hello Fresh has has done a bit of a survey
on it, and they put out the numbers, and it
turns out that kids aged between thirteen to seventeen, only

(32:11):
sixty percent of them six zero percent. Only sixty percent
of them can cook three or more dinner meals independently,
which means forty percent of them can't. Also, amongst the
you know, among children aged five to seventeen, which is
basically all of your kids right short of year thirteen,
twenty one percent of them are actively involved in cooking often,

(32:33):
fifty percent of them cook sometimes, and nineteen percent of
them cook rarely. Anyway, the German is so stressed out
about this, so stressed out about this because she can't
like she's already got her she's basically already got her
three year old like baking and helping to cock and
cutting things and stuff. She can't understand that there are
parents out there who just do not do this. But

(32:53):
my argument because I just think parents are too busy
they I think parents are far too busy at the
moment to be taching their kids how to cook and
getting like you're trying to get a meal done really fast,
and then they're sitting there fapping around with it, and
you're just like, get out, just go, you go, jump
on the trampoline and then you just get it done right.
Isn't that what happens to most parents? Says how my
mom was with us and look I'm fine, Look I'm

(33:16):
not I'm not like dead or have diabetes and cooker perfectly.
Some people would argue with whether I can cook or not.
I think it's fine and edible. Anyway, We'll have a
chat to a tutor of cooking in about twenty minutes
and see what she's got to say about Winston Peters
is with us.

Speaker 2 (33:30):
Next whatever.

Speaker 1 (33:38):
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Speaker 3 (33:52):
That'd be good Afternoon New Zealand will pay six million
dollars to the Psalm Woran government as a result of
the sinking of the Manawanui. It's years since the navy
ship ran aground and sank off the coast of some war.
Winston Peters is the Foreign Minister. High Winston A good afternoon.

Speaker 6 (34:07):
What's the money for, Well, it's to help out with
respect to a disasters thinking of a naval vessel, the
Marvanui in October of last year and as arranged the
Salmon government.

Speaker 3 (34:24):
Yeah, aren't we doing all of the cleanup?

Speaker 13 (34:27):
We've done most of cleanup already, yes, in fact, but
you know this is the disasters. I say, the full
scale investigation is yet to be closed. But having gone
to all the trouble with ron Mark to get the
vessel in the first place has been the most frustrating
thing to happen. But here we are. We've got to
fix it up and keep our name.

Speaker 3 (34:45):
But what I'm trying to get to is, if we've
done the cleanup, then what's this money for.

Speaker 13 (34:51):
Well, because we can't say there was absolute certainty that
we've got everything cleaned up, and so the contingency may
arise and as I say, some of the complication has
been that when we were talking about the summer money,
there was then the course the snap election, virtually a
snap election in Samoa, so things were on hold, and
here we are so trying to deal with that.

Speaker 3 (35:10):
Okay, fair enough. Listen, those kids who are being held
in Israel and detention, are they okay, Yes.

Speaker 13 (35:18):
They are Okay. This is fascinating. I mean we're hearing
so much performance of propaganda. But one of them has
now gone on a hunger strike. You mean yeah, first
of all, they weren't getting any food and getting any water.
Now one's going on a hunger strike.

Speaker 3 (35:33):
Yeah, I think that has occurred to many of us, Winston.
But look, so you're confident that they're not being because
there are reports you will have read them. Gressa's being
beaten up and so on. It's not happening to these kids.

Speaker 13 (35:45):
I would believe that that is totally and utterly false.
Wait till we get the photographs when it's all over
and see there's any evidence of all that. But this
is the kind of behavior that they engage in. Sad
to say, And the sad thing is there is a
real purpose, in a real man. We're dealing with the
tragedy of Gaza, and it's not going to be sold
by virtue signaling.

Speaker 3 (36:05):
Now, what are you guys doing to get them back?

Speaker 13 (36:09):
Well, we've got foreign Affairs of visigage from day one
out of Turkey and closer areas to ensure that the
Israeli government knew what our expectation was and we expect
them to deliver. This is not the first time it's happened.
Of course, it happened with Marion Man Davidson when she
went there. So you know, this is the first time
in history where Peo, the people who have kidnapped them

(36:30):
don't want them to be there. This is about unusual
like crime going on here, isn't it.

Speaker 3 (36:35):
It's a very good point. Listen, on a more serious note,
were those protesters at your house last night? Again?

Speaker 13 (36:42):
Yes, they were, and.

Speaker 3 (36:44):
They scarped by eight thirty when the cops turned up, Well,
the cops told them to go home.

Speaker 13 (36:49):
Yeah, that's after about it now and a half. And then,
I mean, you've got young children and you've got babies,
you got all sorts of people in the neighborhood all
being worken up with an absolute total breach of the
noise abankment laws of ours country and of Auckland.

Speaker 3 (37:04):
Are they quite noisy? Winston?

Speaker 13 (37:07):
Well, they got louds figgers and sell them, got quite
a few of them. Then they're blasting away just about
two meters from the front door. Thinking that's a fair go.
And I decided, you know, I'd tell the cops I've
had enough.

Speaker 3 (37:20):
How long has this been going on for?

Speaker 13 (37:22):
I'll be for quite a long time. But here's the rub.
More protests have been held when we weren't there, none
not at home, and so the neighbor had to put
up it than when we were at home.

Speaker 3 (37:33):
Winston, thanks very much, appreciate your time. That's Winston Peter's
Foreign Affairs minister. We'll come back to this business about
the protests. It's just quickly updated over the weekend. Regretta
Tunberg is that one of the Turkish activists who were
on the flotilla said they dragged little Gretta by her
hair before our eyes. This is in the Guardian, beat
her and forced her to kiss the Israeli flag. And
they're also complaining that they've put her in a cell

(37:54):
infested with bead bugs. Five eleven Heller do for see
Allen right to the fid Island Coronial inquest. It started
today with first responders giving evidence about the eruption that
killed twenty two people and injured twenty five six years ago.
News Talk ZB journalist Jordan Dunn has been there. High Jordan,
Hey here, Hey you going, I'm very well, thank you. Now,
the emergency responders described the event as overwhelming. Were they

(38:16):
prepared for what hit them?

Speaker 10 (38:19):
Yeah, well you're right by the sounds of it.

Speaker 4 (38:21):
Not really. They all gave different evidence.

Speaker 10 (38:24):
So there was Saint John who gave evidence, there was
the police, and they were also Health New Zealand, and
they all have a picture that it was an entirely
overwhelming experience. Now, Saint John's talks about fucket's on a
hospital which was not nearly equipped for this to happen.
In Health New Zealand said that it's burn center.

Speaker 4 (38:42):
Went through a week's work. So I went through a.

Speaker 10 (38:44):
Month's work in about a week and a half, a
year's work in about a quarter of that time. Now,
police really focused on their statement on the difficulties with
communication and the cross agency communication at that time. Now,
they was just to get people off the island and
that was just half of the battle. This what the
council and Apollot had to say.

Speaker 14 (39:02):
There were issues with resulting. There were simply not enough
ambulances there, and your honor will hear a police radio
Paul saying the botus ten minutes away. We've got one
ambulance here. We need more, Jordan.

Speaker 3 (39:17):
One of the things that we discussed a lot in
the aftermath of the eruption was whether the first responder
should have gone to the island immediate immediately after the eruption,
which they didn't do. Has this been addressed?

Speaker 10 (39:27):
Yeah, Well, there's been so many issues that they've been
looking through, and you know, the list is extensive. What
they're going to be looking at. They're going to be
looking at how emergency responders did actually respond, and who
was actually in charge of that emergency response, and who
was supposed to be centering in it, who was going
to be focusing that communication. You know, as as you mentioned,
commercial pilots went and tried to rescue people on the island,

(39:48):
but official emergency responders did not. Now, Council assisting the
cook corner, Christine Twyman, she actually laid out this question.

Speaker 20 (39:56):
Council assistant considers it important understand who authority for and
actually made the decision that led to no official aircraft
landing on Facarti until several hours after the eruption.

Speaker 3 (40:08):
And then we also heard from Detective Sergeant Simon Nolan
this afternoon. What did he have to say?

Speaker 10 (40:14):
So he's given a bit of a three D diagram
of for Carti and White Island at the moments before
leading up to the eruption, and he's used a collation
of videos and photos of the people actually on the
island and it's a really eerie thing to watch heither,
because you're seeing these videos of these people on the
boat going to the island and they seem excited, you know,

(40:34):
they're obviously excited to see this this natural one, to
see this live volcano. But then slowly you see the
footage of the actual moment that it erupts, and it's
incredibly confronting. You see this, what was this little white
whist coming off the lake turning into this black smoke
billowing off and you hear their screams and the tour
guid's yelling them to run, and it was an incredibly

(40:57):
tough watch and it especially was for the pub gallery.
As we know there were friends and family in there,
and you could definitely see the tears of these people
as they had to watch this confronting thing with your
loved ones seeing its first hand.

Speaker 3 (41:09):
Jordan, thanks very much, appreciate your time.

Speaker 9 (41:10):
Mate.

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du per c Ellen heither can you let us know
which group or groups the clowns protesting outside Winston's house

(42:14):
are from. Actually, Ben, I do have something interesting to
tell you about that. Just stand by it. We'll get
to that. It's eighteen past five now. As I was
telling you earlier, there's a little bit of concern that
not enough parents are teaching their kids how to cook.
Even though we say that we care as parents, only
twenty one percent of us are actually actively involving kids
at home. Just sixty percent of thirteen to seventeen year

(42:35):
olds can cook three or more dinner meals.

Speaker 16 (42:37):
Now.

Speaker 3 (42:37):
Little cooks teach kids at schools around the country. And
dulling Gooley is a tusor high dulling.

Speaker 18 (42:43):
Hi, Hi, Heather.

Speaker 3 (42:44):
This is just life, isn't it. Parents are busy, we're
working long hours, we're commuting don't have the time to
teach kids.

Speaker 2 (42:50):
Yeah.

Speaker 18 (42:51):
Absolutely, I think the statistic you read the gap tells
us a lot. I think many parents want to involve
their kids but feel that they're possibly don't have the time,
the patients, or the know how to make it work.
I also think they feel that the kitchen will turn
into chaos, or that it's quicker to just do it themselves.
And I can completely understand that.

Speaker 2 (43:12):
Is it?

Speaker 3 (43:12):
I mean, we always run the risk of catastrophizing something
like this. Is it really the end of the world?
I mean, obviously we want to teach the kids if
we can, but is it the end of the world
in an internet age where they can just go on
the internet and learn how to cook in the same
way that you can go on the internet and learn
how to do DIY.

Speaker 18 (43:28):
Look, I think the earlier they learn, I do think
it's really important. The earlier they learn it sets them
up for successful less run in their lives. I think
the basic skills can be taught as early as five
or six, And in fact, it's a really good time
to spend with your kids in the kitchen getting them
off screens. Isn't that actually more important right now? I

(43:52):
think it has a host of benefits learning how to
cook early.

Speaker 3 (43:55):
Okay, if we want to teach the kids, what do
we start what's a good meal to start with or not?
Not necessarily to start with them, You probably want to
start with boiling an egg. But what's a good dealail one?

Speaker 18 (44:05):
I think it's it depends on how young the kids are.
Some of the kids that I'm teaching at Little Cooks
are six years old, so the real lilies are washing
veggies and they're learning how to peel potatoes and prepping vegetables.
As they get a little bit older, teach them how
to cut an onion properly, teach them how to make
an omelet. It's the real basics. It doesn't have to

(44:27):
be fancy, and you'd be so surprised how capable these
kids rarely are. If you just spend a little bit
of time and it doesn't have to be a lot
of time. The course that we do is an hour
and we manage to whip up something pretty pretty good
every time.

Speaker 2 (44:42):
Yeah.

Speaker 18 (44:43):
Some of the things we make are like apple crumble muffins.
We've made chickpea curry with nane made from scratch, and
all the kids get stuck in good stuff.

Speaker 3 (44:52):
Well, don't you come around to my house if you
want to, Darling any time, any time, Really appreciate it.
Look after yourself, Darling Gully tutorant little cooks. I have
a yarn about this, which is it doesn't reflect well
on my mother. And you know the Bible says you've
got to respect your elders. So I'm tossing up. I'm
tossing up whether to tell you the yarn, but probably
bugger it. I mean, come on, this is not a

(45:13):
safe space for anyone on this show, is definitely not
a safe space for her. I'll tell you the yarn
when I get a chance. Five to twenty one.

Speaker 1 (45:19):
The name you trumped to get the answers you need.
It's Heather fu per c Ellen Drive with one New
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Speaker 2 (45:29):
They'd be.

Speaker 3 (45:31):
We've been talking about where you know, the kid's being
kicked off the doll at eighteen and nineteen, you know,
from November next year, whenever it is next year. The question,
of course is what job are they going to go to.
We're going to get you across that in the next
half hours. I've got a woan who's apparently a whiz
at getting kids into jobs, and she's going to join
us five twenty four. Look on, these protesters have been
Harrison Winston and his neighbors, even as recently as last night.
They really have to call this nonsense off. Turning up

(45:53):
at someone's house in the evening or as the Prime
Minister said to Mike this morning, at eleven at night
or four in the morning, is not protest. That's actually
just intimidating. Particularly, I think in the case of Winston,
who I know has been actually dealing with us for
a number of months now, I don't think he's actually
gone public yet, even when I asked him, I don't
think he's gone public with the extent of the harassment
that he's been dealing with. And partly it was probably

(46:15):
because he didn't want to encourage it to continue. But
I have been aware for months that this has been
going on outside his house. What makes it worse is that,
like with many heritage suburbs in Central Auckland, Winston's house
is right on the road side. He doesn't have a
yard out the front between him and the protesters. He
doesn't have a long driveway between him and them. Right,
If you stand outside his house, you're basically touching his porch.

(46:38):
His front door is about one and a half two
meters away. I think that makes the intimidation even greater.
And what these protesters need to understand is that they're
not drawing attention to Gaza by harassing a senior journal
a senior politician, just like with the flotilla kids, right,
They're not drawing attention to Gaza. They are only drawing
attention to themselves and getting us talking about not about Gaza,

(47:01):
but getting us talking about whether the thing that they
are doing as their protest or their activism is appropriate
or not. They're simply drawing attention to themselves. Now, there
is a planned law to stop this business about the
protesting outside people's houses. It's in the submissions phase, so
it hasn't passed yet and it's a while away from passing,
which means of course that in the meantime these protesters
can pretty much do what they like by the looks

(47:21):
of things, But what they should understand is that it
is inappropriate. And most New Zealanders with families will look
at this and think this is inappropriate, And so all
they are doing is risking goodwill towards their course.

Speaker 2 (47:33):
Heather do for Sea Allen now been.

Speaker 3 (47:36):
Asked for earlier if I have any information on who
these people are, I actually do so if you, I
don't know if you were aware of it. But today
the Greens held a press conference where they had a
giant moan about the three kids who've got themselves, you know,
arrested by the Israelis for basically trying to get themselves
arrested by the Israelis. Anyway, they held the press conference
and standing in the middle between Madama and Chloe as

(47:57):
a woman. I'm not going to name her because I'm
not an to harrising and she can deal with this herself,
and I'm sure that she will because I don't want
her to get attacked on social media because people have
very very strong emotions about this. But that woman who
was holding the press conference today with the Greens is
actually one of the women who was standing outside Winston's house.
And you know that because she was live streaming and
telling people what his address was so and you know,

(48:20):
and the worst part about it, I really think this
isn't come on the media, come on. So she held
this press conference today standing right there with old mate
Chloe with her brow furrowed like you know, it's really
intensely fun. The media did not ask her, from what
I understand, a single question about what she was doing
outside Winston's house over the weekend and whether it was

(48:42):
appropriate to tell people the address of a senior politic
and come on, guys, could do better than that. Well,
I hope you can do better than that. Anyway, as
I say, let's talk next about how and I'm still
going to tell I don't have time now to put
my mum in it, but I've put my mum in it. Later,
but before this hour is out, mark my words, I
will do it. But next, let's talk about how we
get the eighteen and nineteen year olds and to jobs
and not on the doll newstips, b.

Speaker 1 (49:10):
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Speaker 3 (49:25):
Heather Stuff has named the protest outside Winston's. Well, there
you go. If it's already in the mainstream media, then
it's in the mainstream media. Nikola Willis Finance Minister is
as per usual, going to be with us after six
o'clock on a Monday. We've got the huddle standing by
and it's the usual. It's the Power Girls, it's Trisha
and Josie. Right now, it's twenty five away from six. Now.
The government's announced it's bringing forward policy to remove the

(49:46):
doll from eighteen to nineteen year olds. So from November
next year, pearans earning over sixty five thousand dollars will
be expected to support their unemployed teams. Leah Gates is
the COO of the Auckland Business Chamber and their Employment
and Skills Manager and with us now.

Speaker 21 (49:59):
Hilia, Hi, how are you doing?

Speaker 3 (50:02):
I'm very well, thank you. I hear you're a whiz
at getting kids into work.

Speaker 21 (50:06):
Oh, it takes a ten to do it.

Speaker 3 (50:08):
Take the village modesty. Okay, So what do you do?
What jobs do you fire them into?

Speaker 21 (50:14):
So the Auckland Business Chamber has been running Cadetmax, which
is a youth employment program for nearly twenty years in
South Auckland and Central Auckland. Things that we're doing is
getting them ready for work and then leaning into that
business network to define opportunities like what big industries. I

(50:35):
guess for young people in Auckland, warehousing, logistics, security, hospitality, administration,
customer service, whatever, is going to spin their wheels and
get them out of bed in the morning.

Speaker 3 (50:49):
I mean increasingly. What's happening, though, is with the cost
of living crisis, We've got older people who previously may
have retired and just happily lived off the pension unable
to do so. Still in these workplaces. Are these two
cohort's going to be competing with each other.

Speaker 21 (51:03):
It's tough for young people in a tight labor market.
They're disproportionately affected, and as you say, they're competing against
more experienced workers. And so yeah, undoubtedly a really tough
time in the last couple.

Speaker 3 (51:20):
I mean some of these jobs, like I'm thinking, warehousing
sounds to me like a young person's game, not an
old person's game.

Speaker 21 (51:27):
Yes and no, yeah it probably is. But a lot
of warehousing is thoughtless driving and your employers looking for
somebody who experienced. So no, they're all tough to find now, all.

Speaker 3 (51:39):
Right, So November next year, that's about I mean, that's
slightly more than a year away. Do you think the
employment market will be much improved?

Speaker 21 (51:47):
I'd like to think so, and I certainly think in
Auckland with some of the employment opportunities that come up
with the International Convention Center, i KA general labor market. Yes,
I think it will be easier. But I also know
that in this environment where it's tough for young people
to get into jobs, they go into education and that's

(52:09):
not a bad thing either.

Speaker 3 (52:11):
Yeah, Hayleah, thanks very much, appreciated and good luck with
all of the work coming your way. Leagates Auckland Business
Chamber CO and Employment and Skills Manager. It's twenty two
away from six.

Speaker 1 (52:19):
The huddle with New Zealand Southeby's International Realty find your
one of a kind pri Sherson.

Speaker 3 (52:25):
Of Sharson Willis PR's on the huddle with us and
Josie Bigani, the CEO of Child Fund. Hi you too, Hello,
hello Tris. Do you like this policy?

Speaker 22 (52:34):
Yes, I do like this policy. I think we've got
to do something differently, and I do not like the
thought of increasing numbers of younger people being left on
the scrap peak. I think it is going to be

(52:55):
tough for families and let's be honest, this will hit
hardest family who are probably already really under.

Speaker 3 (53:02):
Pressure, So that's really tough.

Speaker 22 (53:04):
And we also have to be honest about the fact
that these families probably there is a cohort of them
who are into multi generational dependency on a benefit. So
breaking that cycle isn't easy because neither the parents nor
the kids have role modeling on what it's like to
go to work and what's needed. And I also think

(53:27):
that schools really have to play a part because a
big problem is you've got kids coming out of schools
they have just not been able to succeed in that system,
and they already come out feeling like losers, frankly, which
isn't and that's through no fault of their own. But
it's not a great way to start. But we can't

(53:48):
keep going down this route. And what we need to
make sure is there is a really clear bridge for
these kids from school into training educational opportunities, and that
there is the money there to do it, because I know,
you know, I've got a daughter whose university age. A

(54:09):
lot of kids when they're trying to pay their own
way through university, even with allowances and things like that, tough,
but it is bloody tough, and so you know, and
they don't get as much support as if they were
on the doll.

Speaker 3 (54:24):
Quite frankly, that's true. And I was thinking about this actually, Josie.
I think there are no perfect solutions here right, so
what it could potentially do is drive up crime as
kids just go Jesus is too tough. I can't get
a job, it's too hard to study. I'm just going
to go join a gang or whatever. Would the solution
to this not be here's your stick, you can't get
the dog, but also an incentive will make it easier

(54:45):
for you to study.

Speaker 12 (54:47):
Yeah, and the more eighteen year olds nineteen year olds
getting a skill studying if they need to study, that's great.
I'm just not sure if this isn't a policy in
search of a problem. The biggest problem in Zealand is
not we've got that, we've got too many eighteen year
old dropkicks living with their parents. I mean, yes, there
has always been a benefit dependency issue, which is a

(55:10):
slightly different issue. And there are some families and you know,
been on the doll for generations. But I don't think
it just feels to me like this is something where
they've gone, right, let's announced something after cabinet and it's
yet another announcement where you're going, oh, do do we
have a massive propity?

Speaker 3 (55:26):
You disagree with you. Look, you know, I've got no
time for this government and their announcements of announcements, but
I actually disagree with you on this and that I
think it's part of a suite of things that Louise
Upston is doing. The only thing that's maybe slightly cynical
here is that they've rennounced it by bringing it forward slightly.
But she's actually doing that good work.

Speaker 12 (55:44):
Yeah, But also you have to look at the way
that the economy is structured in a way that both
national and labor governments have run the economy in this sense.
So let's say every one of those eighteen nineteen year
olds went and got a PhD, you would still have
about four to five percent unemployment because if it drops
below that, the way that our governments subsequent governments run

(56:06):
the economy is that they'll put interest rates up. The
Reserve Bank will put interest rates up because they think
that's a sign that the economy is overheating. So you're
probably always going to have about four to five percent unemployment.
So all you're doing is going, we're going to punish
eighteen to nineteen year olds who are living at home,
and more to the point, punish the parents who already
having to buy them a house, will help them buy

(56:27):
a house and do everything, you know, and you're on
an income of sixty.

Speaker 21 (56:30):
Five k a year.

Speaker 8 (56:30):
That is buggerall.

Speaker 12 (56:32):
So it just seems to me a problem, a policy
in search of a problem that we don't that isn't
the biggest problem. It's not going to grow the New
Zealand economy there and that's the biggest problem we've got, right.

Speaker 22 (56:41):
Yeah, I mean I don't. I'm not sure that's what
it's about. I think it's about looking at changing the
incentives for young people and basically saying that it's there
is not a pathway where you can just not get
what education and then just go on the go.

Speaker 3 (57:00):
And I think that is that is fair.

Speaker 22 (57:04):
The areas that I worry about, and this is growing
up in a small town where I did in tomin Anui,
where options are really limited for kids, and even really
simple things that you need to go to work, ie
getting a driver's license, and there have been changes around this,
but even the cost of that and the time now takes,

(57:25):
like to get your kids a driver's license these days,
you need at least one parent who is into it.
You've got a registered and warranted car. This is you right,
Well I wasn't, but my husband was amazing at teaching
the kids. But but that is that is our hours
and months, and then you have to pay for the
defense of driving and all of that stuff. And I
think we have to really understand at a very granular

(57:48):
level what the barriers are to these kids getting a job,
and not least of which, what home environment that have
they got that helps them get out, Get up, get
out a bed in the morning, get a kai in
the tummy, and go out and do.

Speaker 23 (58:03):
What you need.

Speaker 3 (58:03):
Basically talking about social investment here, aren't you getting in
there really early? We'll take a break, guys, then we'll
come back and talk about the protesters and Adrianaw's money.
Sixteen away from six to.

Speaker 1 (58:12):
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Speaker 3 (58:19):
Right, you're back of the huddle. You've got Treashourson and
Joseph Beganny. Now, Joseph, what do you think of those
protesters turning up at Winston Peter's house.

Speaker 12 (58:26):
Yeah, it's pretty ugly, isn't it. I mean, you can protest,
there's nothing against you protesting, but when you're protesting at
someone's home, it's bordering on illegal already. I mean, if
you were to cross the border into the driveway or
you know, hover around their front door or something like that,
you're getting into harassment and trespassing. But I also think
it's a sign of where our politics have gone. There's

(58:48):
a kind of movement away from a contest of ideas
where you can debate things and you can disagree, even
even loudly and rudely, but it's become about personality, like
you're a bad person, you're a good person. And that's
really unhealthy because then you have this complete inability to
even debate something because they're going, no, we're going to

(59:08):
target you personally. And I do think it's that kind
of you know, we saw Jasinda Duns made a career
post politics out of this. It's the sort of how
do you make people feel is the reason for politics
rather than what do you do? And I think I
think it's just another sign of that. And the other
thing I would say is it shows also there's a

(59:29):
kind of lack of curiosity amongst the protesters over Gaza
and Palestine to engage with anything that's contrary to their
own views of what's happening and what to do. And
there's a whole you know, peace process that's been put forward.
Whatever you think of it, it's our best chance of
stopping the violence. And there was a journalist from The
Times in London who went to the demonstration yesterday in

(59:52):
travalgu Square and he tried to engage with people about
you know, what do you think about this proposal with
Tony Blair and Trump. Okay, you don't like Trump, but maybe.

Speaker 5 (01:00:01):
It will work.

Speaker 12 (01:00:01):
You know, there are eight Muslim countries in the region
who are supporting it. What do you think wouldn't even
engage in it. Protesters didn't want to know about it.
They kicked them out, They basically shoved them away. So
I think it just shows you a dangerous kind of
protesting where you're not engaging with anything that you disagree
with and you're making it really really personal and it's

(01:00:22):
pretty ugly.

Speaker 3 (01:00:23):
Yeah, I think they need to stop trish. I think
they run. They are not drawing attention to Gaza. They
are only making people cross at what they're doing, and
they're risking good will, aren't they.

Speaker 22 (01:00:31):
Well, it's performative, isn't it that total? That's really what
this is about. It's like everything it's it's driven for
clicks and views on social media. I know people who
live in the street and this has been going on
for months and months. It really has I think it's
completely wrong and I think what these groups I agree

(01:00:53):
with what Josie has just said, but I think what
these groups also underestimate is that one day there will
be a lunatic in one of those groups that they
bring along and they will do something really stupid. And
that is a line in New Zealand that we absolutely
don't want to cross. And whatever you think about New
Zealand politicians, they deserve and their families deserve to feel

(01:01:17):
safe like everybody else. So I think this absolutely has
to stop. And if you think that protesting outside the
House of the Foreign Minister in New Zealand is in
any way going to change what's happening in Gaza, or
what will happening or what will happen, you are absolutely
barking up the wrong trail.

Speaker 12 (01:01:37):
Can I just say one thing that the other day
when I was walking to the studio to come and
do a huddle, I walked past TV and said, and
there's a huge banner out there. There was a Palestine
protest out there and the huge banner said New Zealand
media stop committing genocide. And I was thinking, what do
you think the New Zealand media are doing? Like the
Jasella media are reporting on stuff, they're not actually dropping

(01:01:58):
bombs on Gaza. So I think people, you know, kind
of going, hold on, guys, what are you actually asking
the New Zealand government to do here? But it isn't
already doing. And you know, if there's a chance of peace,
which I think the biggest chance we've gotten, it may
fail dismally. Is the peace deal that's on the table
because it has the support of Muslim countries in the
region and Palestinians, the Palestinian authority as well, it's the

(01:02:20):
best chance of leading to a Palestinian state, So you know,
why not engage with that?

Speaker 3 (01:02:26):
Yeah, to write okay, now, tration Adrian Al's got four
hundred and sixteen smackers coming at him. What do you think.

Speaker 22 (01:02:34):
Well, it's a lot of money, isn't it. There's a
couple of points here. So you've talked about why have
a restraint so you know who else was going to
take him? That it would cause competitive damage to the
Reserve Bank.

Speaker 3 (01:02:50):
That's one thing.

Speaker 22 (01:02:51):
There is a legitimate restraint of trade around a cooling
off period, which we often talk about with ministers leaving
and going lobbying. So you might be privy to sense
of information, so you'd have a restraint of trade tip
to cover that. I can't I can't see how that
is applicable here, and for someone in Adrian's role, you
wouldn't go off talking about you know, sensitive matters. The

(01:03:15):
other interesting thing is you can have a restraint, but
you're not required to have a dollar figure around us.

Speaker 3 (01:03:20):
Yes, you don't have to get paid.

Speaker 22 (01:03:21):
You don't.

Speaker 3 (01:03:22):
It's really let's be honest, it's shut up money, isn't it.

Speaker 22 (01:03:24):
Well, I think the question should be asked when when
was this restraint of trade? That has it always been
in the contract and in this quantum or was it
something agreed around the time of the exit?

Speaker 3 (01:03:38):
Very good point, I shall ask Nick lauill Is that okay?
Very quickly, Josie, what do you think?

Speaker 12 (01:03:42):
Well, I'm not sure what the government's doing here. If
you're eighteen and nineteen and you're unemployed, you're going to
have your money taken away from you now. And if
you're the Reserve Bank governor and you're unemployed, you get
four hundred k.

Speaker 5 (01:03:53):
Yeah, get your priorities right.

Speaker 3 (01:03:54):
So you're right, Gils, thanks very much, really appreciate it.
Trusherson and Josep mcguney I huddle this evening. It's eight
away from six.

Speaker 1 (01:04:00):
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Speaker 3 (01:04:08):
Here that these protesters are engaging in this behavior simply
because it gives them someone to be It's five away
for I don't think there's a lot of love for
this kind of carry on by the looks of things.
What's coming through on the text machine five away from six,
just quickly, this is this is pertinent to the climate
debate that we're having at the moment. The net zero
banking alliance has folded. It's dead, it's gone, it doesn't
exist anymore. This is as a result, if you've been

(01:04:29):
following this what's been going on as a whole lot
of banks globally have been pulling out of this Banking Alliance,
And there will be a lot of people in this
country very happy about about the demise of the Banking
Alliance because it has caused farmers to have some serious
issues with their ability to get lending because you know,
the cows do do farts and burps and stuff. Anyway,
whole bunch of banks have left. Eventually the remaining the

(01:04:51):
remaining members just decided to have a vote and see
if they should continue, and of course the vote was no.
Now it's not only the Banking Alliance, it's folded. It
is also the insurance industry, the Climate Group that was
set up by the insurance industry last year, and there's
another climate focused organization for the asset management industry which
is also considering whether it needs to continue to exist.

(01:05:13):
So watch that space. Now I'm going to tell you
about yea, what my mom did. Okay, this is I
just want to urge you against catastrophizing the fact that
parents aren't teaching their kids to cock anymore in the
same way that we used to.

Speaker 15 (01:05:27):
Right.

Speaker 3 (01:05:27):
So, my mum was a really busy mum and for
a lot of there was some significant period of my
life where my mum was basically a solo parent, like
many many of my contemporaries, three kids, and trying to
a very successful at the work that she was doing.
But it meant that as a realistate agent, but it
meant that she was working very hard, very long hours. Right,
She's up in the morning early getting the deals together,

(01:05:49):
and then sometimes you'd have to go out and she'd
have to stitch the deals together at night, and she'd
she'd be working with the open homes at the weekend
and stuff. So there really wasn't very much time to
teach us to cock. And what time she did have
with us didn't I didn't want to spend like hassling
us in the kitchen. It was going to be quality
time anyway. There was an occasion where I changed school

(01:06:09):
and I went from a school that did not care
so much about home economics to a school that did
care very much about home economics. I suppose maybe because
you know, a home economics class means you didn't have
to teach maths to the kids. I'm just buying personal opinion, anyway,
So I went to homech which is useless, and the
teacher said, right, I want you all to contribute something
you know tomorrow blah blah blah whatever. So old mate.

(01:06:31):
You know who was into tramping. I forget his name now,
but he was a nerd. He turned up and baked
all these muffins. Did amazing things. Other people did amazing things.
I am, without a word of a lie, turned up
with a carrot which I chopped and then had some
hummus and opened it up. And the teacher was furious
at me. But it was literally the level of my
kitchen skills. And look at me now. I'm fine. I

(01:06:52):
don't have diabetes, my family is fed. I know how
to cook beautifully. There you go, don't worry about it.
Nichola Willis is with us next.

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Speaker 3 (01:07:12):
Said be even in coming up in the next hour.
Shane Solly on what he's expecting from the OCR decision
this week in New Zealand on the ComCom declining to
review Auckland Airport. And we have Gavin Gray with us
out of the UK right now at seven past six,
and as per usual, Nichola Willis the Finance ministers with us.
Hey Nichola, Hi, Heather, Now, when did you find out
that the Reserve Bank was paying Adrian all that money?

Speaker 18 (01:07:34):
Well?

Speaker 24 (01:07:34):
I knew that they had negotiated an exit agreement, and
then I learned about the Restraint of Trade provision when
the Bank released information about mister LL's departure under the
Official Information Act on the eleventh of June.

Speaker 3 (01:07:47):
So did you know on the eleventh of June that
he was being paid this much money?

Speaker 8 (01:07:50):
No?

Speaker 24 (01:07:51):
I learnt the amount today, just like everyone else.

Speaker 3 (01:07:54):
Should they have told you earlier?

Speaker 24 (01:07:57):
That wasn't my expectation, because those arrangements were always a
negotiation between the Reserve Bank Board and Adrian or and
I had been assured that they had done those negotiations
in accordance with the terms and conditions in his contract,
which had already been agreed when he was reappointed as
governor in twenty twenty two.

Speaker 3 (01:08:15):
Okay, so I know that it So the restraint of
trade was in his contract signed yolks ago right?

Speaker 5 (01:08:22):
Correct?

Speaker 3 (01:08:23):
Was the amount that would be paid to him in
his contract?

Speaker 24 (01:08:28):
I don't know, but I have been advised by the
Bank that it was negotiated in accordance with his contract.
So I expect that the quantum reflects.

Speaker 3 (01:08:36):
That, but not necessarily. I mean they might have upped
it or whatever because they found Is this not a
question you should be asking them?

Speaker 24 (01:08:43):
Well, I have been given confidence that the Reserve Bank
have negotiated the exit agreement in accordance with their contractual obligations.
It's an employment matter. I am not privy to all
of the details of that negotiation, but what they had
was that he needed who have a restrainer trade period
for six months off set against any incumpnience. That was

(01:09:04):
in the terms because that was in that's in the
terms and conditions of his appointment as governor. So the
amount does reflect that because that when in twenty twenty
two that was negotiated Obviously I wasn't the minister. Then
that was under a previous minister. Those were the terms
of his contract, but we don't know.

Speaker 3 (01:09:20):
We know that the restrainer trade was in there, but
we don't know whether the restraint of trade meant that
he had to be paid this much, do.

Speaker 24 (01:09:25):
We Well, it does seem the right amount, given that
it was for a period of six months, so that
would be commensurate with the six months of US.

Speaker 3 (01:09:32):
Okay, are you comfortable with us?

Speaker 24 (01:09:34):
Well, obviously it's a very big number, and so I
think I probably had the same reaction to hearing that
number as many New Zealand as what. It's a big number,
it really is.

Speaker 3 (01:09:43):
Now, listen, what is the problem with the electricity market
that you guys are trying to fix with the announcement
last week. What's the problem.

Speaker 24 (01:09:51):
The problem is that when we have a dry year,
that is, there isn't enough rain in the hydro lakes,
then we run into electricity shortages on the days when
there isn't enough solo to make up for the lack
of hydro. It is the lack of firm in capacity
in dry years. And how do we motivate people to
invest in the electricity generation that leans on gas and oil?

(01:10:15):
When and coal? When in the past the past government
said no, no, one hundred percent renewables by twenty thirty. We
don't want oil. It's a bad How do we correct?
So our job now is to make it very clear
to the market that they can have confidence about investing
in those assets because New Zealand needs them. But when
we have a dry year, we need there to be

(01:10:36):
enough backup gas or coal capacity that we can keep
the lights on.

Speaker 3 (01:10:40):
Okay, now, Nikola, if there's one thing we've learned about
the market in the thirty years since the Bradford Reforms,
it's that the market cannot be relied on to generate.
So why don't you guys just build the generation or some.

Speaker 24 (01:10:51):
Well, well, effectively, that's what we're doing by being majority shareholders.
But by being majority shareholders and three of them major
Gen Taylor's, and what the Frontier report said is in
order for those Gen tailors to have access to the
capital needed to make these investments in the future, it
may require a call on the taxpayer to provide additional

(01:11:15):
investment to keep our equities.

Speaker 3 (01:11:17):
So I understand that. I'll tell you what I don't
screw up for that are you instructing the companies that
you majority own to build more generation?

Speaker 24 (01:11:27):
We are requesting that they bring forward proposals to provide
dry year and.

Speaker 3 (01:11:32):
Why also, because that's the idea behind thermal co is
that you just you're ring And I think that thermal
COO's a nutty idea, but the general the idea behind
it is that you build your own generation so why
don't you just worry.

Speaker 24 (01:11:44):
Yes, this is in the boring detail part of the announcement,
but let me step it through for you, which is
that we are going to require in future transpower to
measure what they think then lack of capacity for the
dry year looks like, because at the moment we don't
really have reliable measurement that. And then we've said we
will regulate to ensure that amount of capacity is available.

(01:12:04):
Now we're going to work with the sector on what
the detail of that regulation looks like. But in the
first instance, what the Frontier report said was the first
thing you've actually got to do is get rid of
this barrier, which is that they're not sure that they
can make those investments. While we're getting rid of that barrier.
And the Huntley Agreement, which the Commerce Commission approved last
week is really important. So that's Huntley having a burg

(01:12:27):
stockpile of coal and an agreement that all of the
gentailors will contribute to the cost of keeping that going,
and that Genesis will have to sell hedging contracts to
people outside of those main entities, which keeps competition going
on the market. So we're seeing a response happening in
real time, But we are correcting for a massive signal

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failure by the last government.

Speaker 3 (01:12:51):
Have you had any protesters outside your house about Garza?

Speaker 24 (01:12:55):
I have not, Thank goodness.

Speaker 3 (01:12:56):
I worry that.

Speaker 24 (01:12:57):
I don't see why my children should have to be
rooted in what is a political protest. There's nothing wrong
with coming to the front steps of Parliament. There's lots
of places to protest very loudly in New Zealand. You
don't need to go outside someone's home.

Speaker 3 (01:13:10):
How far how long before that legislation has done so
you can so these guys can be hustled off and
chucked in jail or whatever.

Speaker 24 (01:13:17):
Well, Parliament's considering it at the moment, and it's on
the legislative agenda, we are progressing it.

Speaker 3 (01:13:22):
How far away do you reckon it is if it's
in submission phase at the moment.

Speaker 24 (01:13:26):
Look, I don't know where it sits on the agenda,
but obviously it's something that we intend to pass this term.
But here's the thing. Heither there shouldn't have to be
a law for people to know what decency and civility is.
And it's simply indecent and uncivil to protest in that way.
And it says more about the protesters than it does
about the issues they're trying to draw attention to.

Speaker 3 (01:13:45):
Couldn't agree more. Now, are you teaching your kids to cook?

Speaker 24 (01:13:50):
Well, the thing is there's going to be a lot
of people my mum's age. You're going to hear this
response and think I'm doing a bad job. But the
truth is not, really, we're still at the stage of
trying to teach them to pick their own towels up
and put their clothes away. I think they could probably
make a smoothie, a peanut butter sandwich. I know that
my twelve year old learned how to make Japanese omelets
in his cooking class, and he likes making those. I

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think my fifteen year old could probably make himself a
bowl of pasta if pressed. But that's about it.

Speaker 3 (01:14:18):
It's not that bad that we're going to be fine, Nicola.
I'm like, the German is catastrophizing this, Nicola, and I'm
saying to her, it's fine because we've got the Internet
and it can step you through it when you need
to write.

Speaker 24 (01:14:30):
Ah, Look, they'll be absolutely fine. In fact, one of
my close university friendships was formed with a man who
only knew how to make tuna pasta. And he's so
much better for having had his female flatmates teach him
a thing or two. And you can learn these things
in due courses. It's not rocket science, it's cooking. And yep,
my kids could survive on peanut butter sandwiches for a while,

(01:14:50):
I think, and Mum's probably taught them a few things.

Speaker 3 (01:14:53):
Long good on Granny Nicola, Thanks very much, Nicola willis
the Finance Minister. Heather restraint of trade, ho would employ Adrian?
Very good question, by the way, do you realize just
on the scars of protests to stuff and the kids
at the floteller? You know, we talked the other day
to a Adrian Leson who's the father? Is it Sam

(01:15:14):
Sam Leson one of the kids over there? Do you
realize that Adrian Leeson, the dad of one of the
flotilla kids, is the same Adrian Leeson who was busted
for attacking the y Hawpeye spy base all those years
ago in two thousand and eight. That's right, Apple doesn't
fall far from the three quarter past.

Speaker 1 (01:15:33):
It's the Heather dupas Allen Drive Full Show podcast on
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Speaker 3 (01:15:40):
Listen as I said to you, I'm going to talk
about the ocr in a minute, because that's obviously an
important thing that's going to happen in a couple of
days time. But as I said to you earlier, we're
going to talk to a New Zealand just after half
past about the fact that ComCom has declined their request
to do a review in to Auckland Airports. Now related
slightly related matter. We tried to greet Greg four on
to talk about it, and they said, I will just

(01:16:01):
go and hunt Greg downseat. But then Greg couldn't do it,
and so someone else is going to do It's Christy
Mackay who's going to do it? Who is actually the
right person to talk to about it? Anyway, what I
heard is I'm surprised Greg is still there because they
had his farewell the other day. And what I heard
was that his farewell was in one of the hangars,
which means they couldn't have booze, so they had an

(01:16:23):
entire farewell boozeless. Would you go to it? I would,
Thank god, I declined. I declined because I'm on air
at the time. But if I'd known the circumstances and
I wasn't on it, I would have declined, So thank
god I missed that, because who wants to go to
a goodbye party? There's not even a little Gin and
tonic to suck on. Anyway, Christy doesn't know this question
is coming at her, but I'm going to see if
I can confirm this with her. It's nineteen past six, Shane,

(01:16:45):
Solly Harbor Asset Managements with me. Hey, Shane, there's an
On Friday, Shane, we had some weak US economic data released.
What do you reckon this means for investment markets?

Speaker 25 (01:16:54):
Yeah, good question. So on Friday was what it's called
this September US ISOM service and that's our Institute of
Supply Management. So so forward looking index came in. We can
then expect that it came in at fifty, which is still
sort of neutralish, but the market had been expecting it
to be a more like fifty one and a half
fifty two, So actually a little bit of a shrinking
activity since the first time, since they're actually the pandemic.

(01:17:18):
But bad news is good news and markets and that
calling an activity means the US Fed a reserve maybe
at a cut rates a bit quicker, and indeed the
markets have actually priced it a ninety five percent chance
of an October cut by the Fed, so yep, markets
can twist it.

Speaker 3 (01:17:33):
Now we've got the Reserve Bank official cash rate cut. Well,
I think we can call it a cut on Wednesday,
can't we? But what is the market expecting in terms
of a cut or a double cut?

Speaker 1 (01:17:42):
Yeah?

Speaker 25 (01:17:42):
I think you know a great point. The market is
fully expecting a cut, and I think you know we've
got markets pricing and the zero point three four, which
is a kind of an odd number, So what it
means is at least zero point twenty five percent, so
quarter of percent, and potential for a zero point five percent,
so that it will take us to two point seven
five or two point five percent. So the key for
investment market is how dubbish language is dubbish? Meaning will

(01:18:05):
there be more cuts? And so the market's looking for November.
So if we don't get fifty, this run round. But
if there's some dubbish discussion, there will be another twenty
five and in November. And there's some people out there
saying it should be fifty now and twenty five again
in November, so pretty punchy. But your markets have run.

Speaker 8 (01:18:22):
Ahead of this.

Speaker 25 (01:18:23):
They can run further. So the ten year government bond yell,
for example, where there has gone from four point seven
percent it's peak over the last year to four to
twenty five. That's a reasonable move. New Zealand dollar crossraateed
against the US has gone from sixty one to fifty
eight in New Zealand shere market's actually up fourteen percent
from its April low. It's only seven percent up on
a year ago, but it's still up forteen percent, so

(01:18:44):
it's heard a pretty good rally in anticipation of these
rate cuts in the market was a bit flat today,
but we did see all the rate sensitive economic sensitive
stocks like Ryman and Somer set in some of the
property stock swrounding.

Speaker 3 (01:18:56):
Now you've got the business opinion out tomorrow. What are
you expecting to see them?

Speaker 25 (01:19:00):
Yeah, look at QSBO. The inside i QSBO really well regarded.
Last time round back in June was eighteen was the number,
which is pretty low really, so hopefully we'll see a
bit of a.

Speaker 8 (01:19:10):
Lift from this.

Speaker 25 (01:19:12):
In terms of the September quarter, we are getting more
and more comment comments from a company saying, look those
green shirts we're talking about a month or too ago,
they're actually growing into pasture rather than weeds. But so
we should see a decent lift tomorrow from Jane's low.
But it may still be a little while before businesses
are talking about making hay brilliant.

Speaker 3 (01:19:29):
That's something at least Shane appreciated. Shane Soley, Harbor Asset Management. Heather,
a maid of mine, arrived in London after I'd been
there a year or so and was dossing on my
floor for a few nights, and he said, mate, I'll
make some dinner, and so we nipped a Sainsbury's and
he came back with a couple of bags of groceries
and I thought I was in for a rip of
dinner until he came out and said, mate, how do
you boil rice? He was twenty one, that was ninety
ninety one. See it's been going on forever. That's from

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d On six.

Speaker 2 (01:19:51):
Twenty two, croating the numbers and getting the results.

Speaker 1 (01:19:55):
It's Heather Duplicylan with the Business Hour and mas to ensure.

Speaker 2 (01:20:00):
And skin investments and Quie Saber, you're in good hands.

Speaker 3 (01:20:03):
News Talk said, be here the get grant to chip
in the four hundred thousand dollars for the stuff up
with Adrian that he created. It's only half a year
for him on his salary. Actually, do you know what,
I just I finished Grant's book and I'm not going
to do the review today. I'm going to do the
review when we have time. But he does mention Adrian.
Have I got a book marked here?

Speaker 4 (01:20:20):
Oh?

Speaker 3 (01:20:20):
Yeah I do, I've got it. Yeah, okay, right, I've
got it. So in the next half hour, I'll read
you a little bit about Adrian. It's not that juicy.
It's not that juicy, but it's just sort of like
it's just a really interesting insight into how Grant now
considers the Adrian the Adrian, you know, that whole thing,
because I wouldn't mention it if I was him, because
it's just turned It's just turned to custard, hasn't it,

(01:20:41):
But on Adrian and the stuff up that he's left
us with. Not good news. If you are expecting a
double cut this week, which I was. I was fully
loaded for a double cut. Most of the Nzier shadow
board reckons it's only going to be a twenty five
percent basis cut. Those who think it's twenty five reckon
it's because there's excess capacity in the economy, which they say,
provide scope for a small cut to support a recovery

(01:21:02):
and activity without affecting the inflation outlook. One person even
thought it was a good idea to recommend holding it
because of the recent spike and inflation. The minority, though,
thought a double cut was necessary because of that mass
of GDP slump which came as a shock in the
second quarter six twenty six.

Speaker 1 (01:21:17):
There's no business like show business.

Speaker 3 (01:21:24):
Let me tell you about this. Robert Irwin has been
on Dancing with the Stars. Now, I have zero interests
in the show because I'm too busy. I can't even
teach my kids to cock. I don't have time for Telly,
So clips of him dancing is a little heart out.
I just everywhere though, because he's a hot babe.

Speaker 23 (01:21:38):
Right.

Speaker 3 (01:21:38):
He was on TikTok with Dancing with the Stars and
he performed the sulsa to this steamy song pump it please.

Speaker 15 (01:21:44):
Let be.

Speaker 1 (01:21:47):
Nies.

Speaker 3 (01:21:48):
You know what I'm saying. Anyway, he grabbed some headlines
because he ripped open his shirt and he had the
shredded abs and everybody loved it. Now we all remember
those abs because he was in the bonds Undi shoot earlier.
The cm we loved that as well. Not just middle
aged bums who were loving it. It's apparently TV producers
who are now circling him like a shark. And here's
what he had to say when he was asked if
he could potentially be the next Bachelor.

Speaker 2 (01:22:09):
Hey, all I can say is watch this space.

Speaker 3 (01:22:13):
Strange things have happened.

Speaker 8 (01:22:15):
Who knows Whitney any thoughts?

Speaker 12 (01:22:17):
Absolutely not?

Speaker 3 (01:22:20):
Oh my god, Whitney. At the end, there is his
dancing partner who has quote taken control of his love life.
Now we know how how that often pans out, don't we,
From all the broken marriages from you know, the Dancing
with the Stars show. Anyway, sounds to me like Whitney
may have more of an interest in there that that
than is apparent to us at the moment. Anyway, we'll

(01:22:40):
just pump this music up again so you can enjoy
imagining Robert Salsa into it and his abs on displaying that.

Speaker 23 (01:22:45):
We'll talk to us and shortly enjoy.

Speaker 2 (01:23:10):
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Speaker 1 (01:23:13):
It's all on the Business Hour with Heather Duplicy, Allen
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Speaker 2 (01:23:20):
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Speaker 1 (01:23:22):
That'd been we were driving driving in your car speeds
a faster fellow.

Speaker 3 (01:23:31):
We don't have Gavin Gray this week. Actually we've got today,
We've got Gail Downey. He's on holiday or something like that,
so she'll be with us in ten minutes out of
the UK. It's actually, by the way, an interesting week
in New Zealand politically because the House is sitting this week,
which means the Maori Party, if they turn up for work,
which you can't really count on, maybe asked what is
actually going on in the party given the protest moment

(01:23:52):
has cut tires, et cetera. If they do turn up,
they'll be turning up tomorrow and the question will be
asked tomorrow to keep an eye out for that. We
certainly will on your behalf. It's twenty four away from
seven now. The Commerce Commission has announced it will not
undertake a formal review of airport fees in New Zealand
has asked the ComCom to review if what the airport
was charging the airlines was out of control. Christy MacKaye

(01:24:12):
is the head of regulatory Affairs for Air New Zealand.
Hi Christy Hi Heather are you disappointed or were you
expecting this?

Speaker 26 (01:24:19):
We were actually pleasantly surprised and happy with what the
Commerce Commission have seeds. We think it confirms what we've
been saying for several years now, that these costs are
being locked into the system without any oversight.

Speaker 3 (01:24:37):
Okay, so what part I mean? Because they've basically declined
to do the review that you want, So what part
are you happy about?

Speaker 26 (01:24:44):
They have said that the inquiry can't really be done on.

Speaker 5 (01:24:49):
The legislation as it stands.

Speaker 26 (01:24:51):
So they've put it back to the government and said
for us to.

Speaker 5 (01:24:55):
Be able to do the work that we would need
to do, there are some small changes that need to
be made.

Speaker 3 (01:25:01):
Basically, yes, and so what are you happy about?

Speaker 26 (01:25:05):
We think it's good that two independent voices have now
come out in the past few months.

Speaker 5 (01:25:12):
And seeds that there is a problem.

Speaker 26 (01:25:15):
This is something we've been saying for over twenty years.
So it's good that at least they're acknowledging there's a problem.

Speaker 21 (01:25:21):
We don't.

Speaker 26 (01:25:22):
We're not closer to a solution, but you know, in
our world we still take the wins where we can.

Speaker 3 (01:25:27):
How but do you think the problem is well.

Speaker 26 (01:25:30):
We think it's potentially twenty billion dollar problem once you
look at what Auckland are planning to spend, and as
the Commission said in their report today, they don't really
have the tools to look at something that's that big,
that's across so many years, So that's it could be
bigger than twenty billion dollars.

Speaker 3 (01:25:51):
Of course, twenty billion dollars of war period of time.

Speaker 26 (01:25:54):
Out to twenty forty three, so that's.

Speaker 3 (01:25:57):
What like twenty years basically, so it's a billion dollars
a year, yes, And is that is that the billion
dollars on top of the airfares?

Speaker 5 (01:26:03):
Like?

Speaker 3 (01:26:03):
Is that them? Is that the price increase on top
of existing airfares?

Speaker 26 (01:26:07):
So I don't know if you want me to get
into ala, but basically, the regulated airports have their asset base,
and they take the total size of the asset base
and then they add a bit of interest on top
and then divide it by the number of passengers and

(01:26:28):
then you get your per passenger cost. So the bigger
your asset base, the more you can pass on to passengers.

Speaker 3 (01:26:35):
I see what you're doing there, Yeah, okay, what's the
game plan?

Speaker 7 (01:26:37):
Now?

Speaker 3 (01:26:37):
Are you just going to accept it? Are you going
to keep lobbying for some sort of regulation.

Speaker 26 (01:26:43):
We want what's best for Kiwi travelers, which is that
the government can have better oversight of what exactly airports
are spending because it's the Kiwi travelers that pay.

Speaker 3 (01:26:56):
Okay, now, is Greg still around?

Speaker 5 (01:26:59):
He is his actually on holiday at the moment.

Speaker 3 (01:27:02):
When's he leaving?

Speaker 5 (01:27:04):
When is he leaving? Two more weeks?

Speaker 3 (01:27:06):
So he's on holiday. He's on holiday two weeks before.

Speaker 26 (01:27:09):
He leaves at school holidays here.

Speaker 3 (01:27:12):
No, it's not. It was school holidays last week. Today's
the first day they went went back to We're all
very grateful for that. That's how we know it.

Speaker 5 (01:27:19):
Yes, yes, I mean on my I can't comment on
my boss.

Speaker 3 (01:27:23):
Worry about it. He's not your boss for much longer,
so let's just smack talk him right now. Did you
go to his leaving party?

Speaker 5 (01:27:29):
Yes?

Speaker 3 (01:27:30):
I did, Now, Christy, I heard that the leaving party
was booze free because it was in a hangar. Yes,
is that true?

Speaker 5 (01:27:37):
That's right?

Speaker 26 (01:27:38):
Yes, all of our all of our work sites are dry, Christy.

Speaker 3 (01:27:44):
That just sucks so badly. How how much did his
leaving party suck?

Speaker 5 (01:27:50):
It was a wonderful, wonderful event.

Speaker 3 (01:27:53):
But how were you wanting to get out of the Yeah,
there wasn't a dry eye, but there was a dry glass.
How how fast did you want to get out of
there because it was so No, I.

Speaker 26 (01:28:02):
Was happy to be it was quite cold because it's
in the hangout.

Speaker 5 (01:28:05):
It was a wonderful tribute.

Speaker 3 (01:28:07):
Whoever's running your events needs you need to go to
them and you need to say to them next time
in a warm place with drinks. And that's the solution.
Am I right?

Speaker 5 (01:28:16):
Okay, thanks, I'll pass that on.

Speaker 3 (01:28:18):
Yeah, I'm sure you will, Christie, Thanks very much. Christy
mckaye in New Zealand, head of Regulatory Affairs. Oh, Greg
got ripped off at the end, didn't he. No one
has a good time completely sober, do that? I mean,
I'm not advocating alcoholism, but there's a couple to lubricate conversations,
you know what I mean. Nineteen Away from seven Grant

(01:28:39):
Robertson Grant Robinson's excerpt from his book on How Awesome
Adriana Was. So he tells the story on page one
hundred and seventy five about how he had all these
ideas for reforming the Reserve Bank. He wanted to have
the dual mandate where it wasn't just inflation control, but
it was also employment out comes that went really well
for us. Not also wanted to have the Monetary Poles

(01:29:00):
Committee instead of just the governor making decisions. Blah blah blah.
Our proposals went down like a cup of cold sick
with the Purists, who included the outgoing governor Graham Wheeler.
I had clashed with him a number of times as
opposition spokesperson. Right to his final days in the job.
Graham Wheeler tried to convince us not to go ahead,
particularly on the change to the Bank's objectives. This continued

(01:29:22):
with the acting governor, Grant Spencer. When we were elected,
I knew we had to have someone with a more
pragmatic attitude take over, and that none of the current
leadership would be able to offer that. That's aged badly,
isn't it a more pragmatic attitude, geez, more tantrumy attitude.
As the search for a governor began, one person came
up from many quarters, the New Zealand Super Fund CEO,

(01:29:44):
Adrian Or. I did not know Adrian Lucky you, but
I had admired his work at the Fund. He was
also a straightforward communicator who I hoped would bring some
of those skills to the bank. When he was brought
forward as the nominee after the selection process, I had
only one question, would he be able to wor with
the new arrangements. He should have asked, would you be
able to work with other people? The message came back

(01:30:04):
that he was not only comfortable with them, but also
thought they were sensible changes. His appointment in December twenty
seventeen was warmly welcomed. Everything about that, oh, everything about
that has just aged so badly. Anyway, when was it
even published? I mean surely he could have changed it
at the last minute, because this has not bit like

(01:30:27):
so published this year, published this year over year, they
would have finished the manuscript and stuff. So anyway, booho
so aij IAG, IAG get the letters right because it's
important IAG very important news in the insurance business has
been fined nineteen point five million dollars at the high
Quarter in Auckland for overcharging customers. This has hit the
news today. This goes back. The stuff goes back to

(01:30:48):
twenty eighteen, twenty nineteen and through IAG's brands State Ami,
NZII and so on, it turns out IAG was overcharging
customers and not applying multi multi policy discounts when they
should and it racked up to the tune of like
thirty five million dollars, so it was not insignificant and
affected nearly two hundred and seventy thousand customers. That is
why it's been slapped that mass of fine nineteen point

(01:31:10):
five million dollars. Right, We're off to the UK next
news talks, the'db.

Speaker 1 (01:31:14):
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Speaker 8 (01:31:25):
He'd be right.

Speaker 3 (01:31:26):
It's fourteen away from seven and Gale Downy our UK
correspondents with me. Hello, Gail, Hello, Right, So what is
the government doing in your part of the world about
these repeat protests?

Speaker 2 (01:31:38):
Yees.

Speaker 27 (01:31:39):
So they've made these announcements that they're going to make
some changes to the law following the rest of almost
five hundred people who took part in the weekend's pro
Palestinians demonstration in London. There have been a number of
these demonstrations over the past couple of months and their homes.

(01:32:00):
It should been in the mood has said, you know,
enough is enough from now on. The plan is that
police forces will have the power to stop organizers using
the same location for protests. So if the numbers have
been held there already, which they have been in central London,
it means the organizers may have to hold their events elsewhere.

Speaker 3 (01:32:21):
What do you make of these plans to give the
young people some money towards their first times?

Speaker 27 (01:32:27):
Well, it's an interesting one, isn't it Actually because also
the government has made some announcement today about helping first
time buyers because actually it's quite difficult. It can be
quite a long process buying a home here, quite complicated
and quite expensive. And it's the Tory party conference this week,

(01:32:48):
and what they've said, the Shadow Chancellor has said, look,
we're going to give young people a five thousand pounds
ten thousand pound New Zealand dollars tax rebate towards their
first home when they get their full first full time job.
So they're linking getting a job with getting tax supports.
So what they're saying is this is about rewarding work. Now,

(01:33:11):
how are they're going to pay for it? What they
say is that the payment will be funded by cuts
to public spending on welfare, the civil service, and the
foreign aid budget.

Speaker 3 (01:33:21):
Well, I mean, correct me if I'm wrong, girl, But
you ain't going to be buying a house un least
you've got a job, are you.

Speaker 27 (01:33:27):
I can't ever foresee a time when any lender would
lend you some money without you having a job. So
it is an interesting one that it's part. It's a conference,
So things are said at conferences, you know, these things,
whether they ever come to fruition. Of course, the first

(01:33:48):
thing that must happen is for the Conservatives to come
to power, and there isn't an election here for at
least another two years.

Speaker 3 (01:33:55):
Yeah, you know, why do you reckon it? Is that
there has been this increase in the sale of evs.

Speaker 27 (01:34:01):
Well two things really, and what analysts are saying is firstly,
the government, because they want to get people to buy evs,
is that they are offering discounts to people. So the
grant scheme, say you buy a small fully electric car
for about thirty four thousand dollars, which will be the

(01:34:23):
absolute starting point. They rise up to one hundred thousand
dollars and probably more. You'll get a discount of eight
and a half thousand New Zealand dollars. So doing the
maths there, you can end up paying about twenty six
thousand dollars for a new electric car, and the government
is giving this discount because it wants to encourage people.
The other thing, of course, is that there are so

(01:34:46):
many changes in terms of charging points that are going
to be put up everywhere. The far more charging points.
You can have one at your home, of course, and
there are some cities where actually you know, you've got
to be really careful. If you don't have an evy
or your your car is of a certain type, you

(01:35:07):
get charged like a congestion charge for going into the cities.

Speaker 3 (01:35:11):
Yes, Gail, I need you to clear something up for me.
I can't be sure. Is the noise in the background
a small dog or a parrot? Oh, it's a small dog.
It is a small dog. It's my it's my small dog.

Speaker 8 (01:35:24):
I do apologize.

Speaker 27 (01:35:25):
I have put her in the other room, but she
likes to join in.

Speaker 3 (01:35:29):
So you know, we're all about audience participation, Gail, thank
you for that, Gail Downey, UK correspondent Glad I said
all that. Otherwise I think geez she's got a parrot.
People with parrots say, remember when parrots were a thing.
It was my best friend when I was in primary
school had a parrot called Charlie, and Charlie was a

(01:35:50):
crack up. But I cannot think of a single person
since the late I reckon Charlie only died. Geez, I
reckon Charlie only died in the mid two thousand. But
who has had a parrot since the mid two thousands.
Nobody has birds anymore, do they? Is it is a
strange thing to am? I wrong, it's a strange thing
to have. It's not a pet that you have nowadays,
see anyone. I'm glad that Gail is not a bird person,

(01:36:12):
but in fact, just as I am, you know, small
dog person, which is much more normal anyway. Tata. Now,
I wasn't here for Tata's album really, so I was
quite disappointed by that. But I'm glad to say I
have caught up a bit on what's going on. She
was on Graham Norton over the weekend. She showed off
her new bling and there's a lot to congratulate Tenlor
Swift suppose, But the one that I feel I ought
to gradually is the new bit of finger jewelry. The

(01:36:34):
hardware up read yes, hardware upgrade. So anyway, do you
remember the photos when she announced the announce the engagement.
They had the photos and it was it was her
in a beautiful dress and he was proposing to her
in this beautiful kind of floral arrangement and everybody looked
at them, Oh that's nice. They had their engagement thing,
and then they mocked it up for social media so
that they could share some photos with us. No, that

(01:36:57):
was the real engagement And is that the actual proposal?

Speaker 17 (01:37:01):
It is actually so he really crushed it when it
came to, surprising me because we had actually filmed a
podcast episode. He has a podcast called New Heights.

Speaker 2 (01:37:12):
Yea.

Speaker 17 (01:37:12):
We filmed the podcast for about three or four hours
or whatever, and meanwhile behind his house he was having
the whole backgarden turned into this wow And one of
the things that he put in there very strategically was
a wall of hedges that weren't there before, and inside

(01:37:33):
the hedges was my tour photographer hiding in bushes that
had not previously been there. It was you went all
out ten out of ten.

Speaker 3 (01:37:41):
No pushia, lads, But if you're proposing to someone anytime soon,
you just you know, installing some random hedges is not
going too far. It's even away from seven.

Speaker 1 (01:37:52):
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Speaker 3 (01:38:00):
Listen, it's just got worse with Winston Peters. He's just
put out a social media posting saying tonight, a disgusting
coward has gone to my home and smashed a window.
Glass was shattered all over our dog. He also left
a sign on the front door. I wasn't home, but
my partner and guest were, and this is truly gutless. Listen,
if this is you have to, you know, take into
account the possibility it might be somebody completely unrelated to

(01:38:22):
what's going on with Guzza, because I haven't seen what
the note says, so I have to assume that it's possible.
But if it is the protesters, they need to understand
that they will alienate people over this, and they need
that cut this out. Is completely unacceptable to treat a
fellow Kiwi like that, now parrots. Okay, So I've gone
to chat GPT and I've said, what was the peak
period parrot ownership, and yes, I was right. Peak period

(01:38:45):
of parrot ownership was during the nineteen eighties to the
early two thousands. During this time, the exotic pet trade
was booming and brightly colored parrots became symbols of status
and companionship. This period coincided with large scale import of
wild caught parrots, but then the Convention on International Trade
and Endangered Species Listings in the in the late eighties

(01:39:08):
and early nineties began curbing the trade, leading to a
gradual decline in ownership thereafter, and also there were concerns
about welfare and stuff like that. In the mid nineties,
about six million US households had a parrot, including my
best friend who had a parrot, and it was very
similar in the United Kingdom and Australasia. So there you go.
You knew something you didn't know yesterday, which actually, I mean,

(01:39:30):
that's the purpose of the show, so I I'd expect
that to be the outcome most days, but we can't
be sure. Okay, Libby, what have you got.

Speaker 24 (01:39:37):
I've got a bit of Robbie Williams for us. I
feel like you would have owned a parrot.

Speaker 3 (01:39:41):
Yeah, yeah, well probably a lot of I reckon he's
more of a tiger guy. Oh that's true or something weird,
you know.

Speaker 7 (01:39:48):
Yeah, but I've got a bit of Robbie.

Speaker 20 (01:39:50):
Because he had some scheduling issues.

Speaker 22 (01:39:53):
He was supposed to be releasing an album, but.

Speaker 20 (01:39:55):
Obviously Tailswift was dominating the charts right now, so probably
not a good time for anyone else to be thinking
of releasing music.

Speaker 11 (01:40:01):
And he's had to push the release back.

Speaker 3 (01:40:03):
But I thought, what else happened to him? Or he
had to cancel his constant Turkey because there was some
sort of security threat, wasn't there?

Speaker 23 (01:40:09):
He didn't do that as well.

Speaker 3 (01:40:10):
Yeah, okay, so when's album coming out? Not until February now,
A good move from Hamburgy. I mean that sucks. No
one wants to go up against Tata. I mean I
was looking at the Graham Norton couch. I was like, oh, yeah,
poor buggers having to sit next to her. Nobody else cares,
or alternatively, more people are watching and so maybe yeah, anyway,
see you tomorrow, have a nice evening.

Speaker 1 (01:40:40):
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