Full Show Podcast: 21 October 2025

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Speaker 1 (00:01):
The only drive show you can try to ask the questions,
you get the answers, find a fag sack and give
the analysis. Heather Dupercy Ellen Drive with One New Zealand
and the power of satellite mobile news Dogs.

Speaker 2 (00:15):
Be afternoon, Welcome to the show coming up today. The
Marine and Coastal Area's bill is passing tonight. Chrispin Layson
doesn't love it. He's with us after five. Mark Mitchell,
the Minister for Sport, has got involved in the Dame
Noles drama. He's with US two and six sixty on
their new Country Roots festival.

Speaker 3 (00:33):
Heather duper Cy.

Speaker 2 (00:34):
Alla, right, can anyone explain to me how it is
that four people saw it little girl drowned or drowning
in a fountain and didn't pull her out. This is
a case that has been raised by a coroner who's
just released his findings on it. It was in twenty
twenty three. It was in Toadung's Memorial Park. The little
girls four years old, and she was there with her
sister and her granddad. They'd just been dropped off by

(00:54):
the dad. The little girl ran in one direction, her
little to the water fountain. Her little sisters at the playground,
which is about one hundred meters away. Granddad went to
get the smallest one, the littlest daughter first, the granddaughter first,
and then went to go and find the four year old,
But in the three to four minutes that he was
doing that, she'd already died. Now, the coroner says that
the four year old probably would have died regardless of

(01:15):
whether people pulled her out when they saw her there.
But nevertheless, he is troubled that no one did pull
her out, because surely we all know by now that
the sooner you pull someone out of water, the greater
their chances of survival. Like it might just have started happening,
you can still save their life. One of the people
who saw it called one one one, still didn't pull
her out, not even after calling one one one, while

(01:38):
waiting the two minutes for the emergency services to arrive,
they didn't pull her out of the water. The whole time,
someone else saw the emergency services arrive and directed the
emergency services to where she was in the fountain, they
also didn't pull her out. So the question is what
is going on here that this has happened. The only
explanation I have is that our communities have broken down
to the extent that people don't even feel a basic

(02:00):
responsibility to look after each other anymore. Or is it
that people are afraid that if they get involved in
a scene where someone might have died, that they may
become a suspect. Or is it that people are just
spending so much time now watching stuff on their screens
that they've lost the ability to comprehend that when the
stuff that you see happening on Netflix actually happens in
real life, people actually die. Or is this some sort

(02:23):
of a horrible twist in helicopter parenting where perhaps it's
become accepted that the only people who are responsible for
a child are their parents or whoever it is that
the parents haven't trusted the kids into the care of
for that moment, and no one else can or should
get involved in what is happening to a child? Or
is it all of the above or is it none
of the above? And actually what's happened here is that
when things like this happen, most people just freeze and

(02:45):
don't know what to do. Most people are not heroes
who pull kids out of fountains. I can't explain it.
Neither can the corridor. But I'd like to think that
we all learn something from this little girl's death, and
if we ever see someone, especially a child, in this
kind of trouble, we help.

Speaker 3 (03:02):
Heather duple Ce Ellen.

Speaker 2 (03:06):
Nine two nine through is the text number standard text
fece apply and if you have a theory on what's
gone on here, you can explain it to me. I
am all ears. I'd love to know. Now, road rage
at traffic stops is apparently getting out of control. A
new sector survey shows that two thirds of New Zealand's
traffic controllers a coppying abuse on a weekly basis, and
one in five traffic workers one in five have been

(03:26):
physically assaulted in the last year, with some even being
struck by vehicles. Now, Hugh Godad as the owner of
Pipeline and Civil, which is a maintenance and repair company
and with us now, hey Hugh.

Speaker 4 (03:36):
Hey there, Heather, thanks for having me on.

Speaker 2 (03:38):
Yeah, thanks for joining us. Have your workers experienced this
kind of thing?

Speaker 5 (03:42):
Yes, definitely.

Speaker 4 (03:43):
Yeah, it's a real challenge out there across the wide
industry as well as an Arab business. So, I mean
we've had staff being yelled at, you know, almost hit
by vehicles on the road and and even you know,
to the point of almost physical abuse, certainly a lot
of abuse drivers moving cones into live lanes while cars

(04:03):
are coming in the other way. Just yeah, quite challenge
of behavior out there.

Speaker 2 (04:09):
Is it as like as frequently as the survey suggests?

Speaker 4 (04:13):
Yeah, absolutely, I think you know, I wasn't involved in
development the survey, but I know over seven hundred TTM
workers in New Zealand responded to the survey, which is
which is a significant sample, and and that's the feedback
that's coming through. So it's very much a real issue.

Speaker 2 (04:28):
What's causing it? Why are people behaving like this?

Speaker 4 (04:31):
Well, I just wonder whether I mean, there's obviously been
a big discussion topic in the media and in the
public around heavy traft management, and you know, you know,
people are frustrated, which which is totally understandable. You know,
they see you know, cons and and they obviously see
red at the same time. And I think it's you know,
it is a challenge out there, but I think it's

(04:52):
sort of trying to reframe this thinking to look at
investment in infrastructure as a positive and roadworks as being
part of that.

Speaker 2 (05:00):
Okay, So are you saying it's just a general frustration
with the sheer number of cones that we see, rather
than something that that particular road worker is doing or
that particular is happening at that particular site.

Speaker 6 (05:12):
I believe.

Speaker 4 (05:12):
So I think that you know, and there's also I
guess challenges around, you know, whether the site is active.
You know, could be a night work site that's just
being maintained during the day and they and they obviously
can't they have to leave the TTM equipment on the road,
so you know, they think nothing's happening, but actually, you know,
there are works occurring, or you know, the ship seal
of the surfacing is being is curing or things like that,

(05:35):
which which obviously can't cause frustration, especially if they don't
see things happening at that moment in time. But it's certainly,
I mean.

Speaker 3 (05:43):
These are real people.

Speaker 4 (05:44):
They're like you or I, trying to do a job,
trying to earn a cross, to feed their families. You know,
they're not going out of their way to you know,
stop people getting to them from work or effect their lives.

Speaker 2 (05:54):
I'd like to think that most people are actually decent,
maybe a little frustrated, but decent about it, and understand
it's just a few bad eggs letting us down.

Speaker 4 (06:01):
What do you think, Well, I think that's certainly an aspect,
but the volume of world work abuse has definitely seen
an increase and I think it's an area that needs
to be addressed and we need public support in doing that.

Speaker 2 (06:16):
Yeah, Hugh, it's good to talk to you. Thank you
very much, appreciate it.

Speaker 7 (06:18):
Mate.

Speaker 2 (06:19):
That's Hugh Gottad Pipeline and Civil Limited owner. So if
you thought it was bad for Netbull New Zealand, the
fact that most of us have realized that they are
the problem with the Dame Knowles situation and that there
seems to be a kind of turning of sentiment towards them.
If you thought that was bad enough, and there's got
a whole lot worse for them today because now there
is political pressure on them to tidy this up. And

(06:41):
this is where it really starts. This is what's going
to get things wriggling along very very quickly. So first
of all, Willie Jackson's piped up saying he wants Netball
New Zealand's funding frozen until it clears up the situation.
Netble New Zealand, by the way, gets about three million
dollars in annual funding. And why Willy Jackson cares about
this is because it's from the sounds of things. He
sees to have known Dame Knowles's dad and he's got

(07:03):
a sympathy. He's talked to her about it. He doesn't
like hearing her side of the story, doesn't like the
sound of it. But what's even worse is that Sports
Minister Mark Mitchell has also piped up. He's now revealed
he's spoken with Sports New Zealand, which is the outfit
that gives the money to Netball New Zealand. He's told
Sports New Zealand they need to get involved and they
need to help Netbull New Zealand get this resolve fairly

(07:24):
and quickly. And I would say, yeah, I wouldn't want
to be Netbull New Zealand today, would you. He is
going to this is Mark Mitchell. He's gonna be with
us after five o'clock, so we'll get I'm hearing positive
noises like maybe those of us who think that the
days of Dame Knowles are over. May we might be
jumping to conclusions. Anyway, We'll see what we can get

(07:44):
from Mark Mitchell when he's with us after five o'clock.
Right now quarter past.

Speaker 3 (07:47):
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Speaker 1 (07:52):
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Speaker 2 (07:57):
What a nice guy talking about the road works. Site's
good to remember their apeace behind the cones. That's from
Fraser seventeen past four.

Speaker 1 (08:03):
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Speaker 2 (08:08):
Elliott Smith's Sports Talk hoosters with us. Hey, Elliot, I.

Speaker 8 (08:13):
Heard you talking about this before the break.

Speaker 9 (08:15):
Have you called.

Speaker 2 (08:15):
Netball New Zealand and just offered to be a supporter?

Speaker 10 (08:18):
Can be the mediator?

Speaker 11 (08:19):
Yeah?

Speaker 8 (08:19):
We could put this on yesternight seven o'clock, which.

Speaker 2 (08:22):
Would just do it in public.

Speaker 9 (08:23):
Yeah, that's right. It's like an election or whatever.

Speaker 2 (08:25):
Imagine televised the ratings. It would go off, wouldn't it.
But have you seriously have you called them and just
done a welfare check and made sure they're okay?

Speaker 8 (08:33):
I wouldn't want to be them. No, it's just one
thing after another, isn't it sucks? Then there are also
one neel down in the series. Let's not forget that
and that.

Speaker 2 (08:40):
But Elliott, I don't feel sorry for this is what
happens when you stuff something up like this, and I
think what they've I think they have failed to appreciate
the national treasure that she is. Yes, but also just
you know people sense of fairness.

Speaker 9 (08:53):
Yeah, yeah, I think that's it.

Speaker 8 (08:54):
And everyone to a person promotions loves, apart from maybe
a couple of players and the silverl fings loves. Dame
Nolan told her they may not, you know, the results
may not always come their way, but she wont to
World Cup for New Zealand. She was a savior when
she did come in in the first place back in
twenty eighteen. She's got an outgoing personality. She tells it
like it is, and that endears you to people. It's
not like an All Blacks coach, where even if you
lose a couple of games, people come at you. It's

(09:16):
you know, she is, as you said, a national treasure,
and when she is deemed to be treated unfairly, that's
when people get their their backs up. That I think
this is what happens.

Speaker 2 (09:25):
But now is it possible for the thing to happen
the way that Willie Jackson wants it to happen, which
is funding to be withheld.

Speaker 8 (09:31):
I don't know that that would necessarily play art in actuality.
They're feezy funding, you know, teams in the middle of
a series. You can't just freeze the funding. Go well,
we're gonna pause this right here. You've got things that
need to be paid, players that need to be paid.
It's a it's a great headline from Willie Jackson. I
don't know whether it holds up an actuality, but what
it does do is put the pressure on Mark Mitchell
and Sport New Zealand and Knickball in New Zealand to

(09:52):
get something done and resolve this thing. Because it looked
like it was going to be a resolved before the
South African series finished. Then we drag into the Australian
series vit McCaw's and jury and co are pointed right
through to the end of the year. It seems to
be no end in sight. And that's, you know, frankly
not acceptable. It wouldn't be syptable for a governor the
government department to drag on something this long. Not acceptable
for Kniitball in New Zealand.

Speaker 2 (10:12):
Chances she comes back.

Speaker 8 (10:14):
I don't think it's I'd say fifty to fifty at
this point. Look, you hear various things, don't you around
the traps and she wants the job back, and I
think that's a positive.

Speaker 2 (10:25):
Because she's made it known that she wants that's right.

Speaker 8 (10:27):
She may have gone, I can't be bold dealing with anymore.
Give me a contract with England or Australia or one
of those Australian teams and I will just not be
done with, you know, the nible New Zealand's.

Speaker 2 (10:36):
Can you imagine how awkward if she got the job back,
how awkward it would be to be Dame Knowles walking
down the corridor, or for it to be Jenny Wiley
walking down the corridor and pops out of the loo AORs.

Speaker 8 (10:46):
Yeah, exactly, office kitchen, you know, around the water cooler recently, Yeah,
just weather.

Speaker 2 (10:54):
Anyway, listen, would you would you rather play for Canterbury
in the NPC final for the All Blacks in Chicago?

Speaker 8 (10:59):
I think that if you're giving me the option, I'd
rather still play for the All Blacks in Chicago. I
think it's understandable. Look, the state's been the calendar for ages.
It's just the way it goes. And a couple of
players that have been called out of the NBC Samdarry
and George Belip can't play for Canry. They've done their
bit to get them to the final. Now they have
to spread their wings and go abroad and allow their teammates.

Speaker 2 (11:18):
Toby feel about that.

Speaker 8 (11:20):
I think they're accepting of it. They didn't make much
of a picture, as my understanding, to try and get
these players. Basically that they knew the flight was going
on Friday and these players had to go, and there's
a few injuries persisting around the All Blacks or niggles
around the All Blacks, that this is always going to
be a tough ass to get them. So it was
always going to be unlikely that these players played. They
weren't part of obviously of the All Black squad to
begin with for the Rugby Championship. They're now coming in.

(11:41):
So it's a hard one. But I suspect that they
probably knew this was always going to be likely to now.

Speaker 2 (11:47):
You know, it's always the All Blacks as don't they?

Speaker 5 (11:50):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (11:50):
Goodhi, hear, yeah, thank you very much. Elliot Elliot Smith
will be a sports talk host this evening. Darcy, by
the way, I don't know if you were aware of it.
Darcy had knee surgery. He's got to that age now
where the bits start to fall apart. And don't be
judgmental of that, because we're all not that far off it.
Like we can feel the tweak. We know that we're
going to be Darcy in fifteen years, don't we. Anyway,
Darcy surgery has gone well and he'll be back next week.

(12:10):
I think it is four twenty two on.

Speaker 1 (12:13):
Your smart speaker, on the iHeart app, and in your
car on your drive home, it's Heather duplicy Ellen drive
with one New Zealand hand of power of satellite mobile
news talks.

Speaker 2 (12:23):
They'd be ah the old thing between Donald Trump and
Kevin Rudd finally happened and it was kind of equal
parts funny and equal parts awkward. So Murray Murray Old's
will be thus shortly, he'll talk us through it. Yeah,
but of a fail for Chris, Chris Hipkins is not
actually having a good week. It's Tuesday and he's had
two fails in a row. The first one was the
policy yesterday. The second was that today Labor released its

(12:45):
second policy, which is a health policy, except no one
told Chris Hopkins that they had done it, so he
was you know, fronting for the media, and then the
media asked about Labour's new health policy and he was like, no,
what are you talking about. The problem is the problem
is the New Zealand Doctor magazine published the policy today
because I shavera Al gave it to them. Here's the exchange.

Speaker 12 (13:06):
You're going to have to wait. If you're interested in
an announcement that we may or may not be making,
you have to wait for the details.

Speaker 5 (13:11):
Of that later.

Speaker 1 (13:13):
Doctor.

Speaker 10 (13:14):
So it's out there that the.

Speaker 12 (13:15):
Announcement has not yet been made publicly.

Speaker 9 (13:19):
Published by well written by a Shaveril, which has been
She Edward and said, doctor, were you aware that was
going to happen?

Speaker 12 (13:26):
We have some health policy announcements to make shortly. I
wasn't aware specifically or bad letter. So someone's were doing
providing that to media before her leader is aware of this.
Look the fact that I'm not aware of it. I
we have health policy coming, health policy is under.

Speaker 2 (13:42):
Development, isn't it great? I love it when stupid stuff
like this happens. He didn't know anyway, it is out there.
He was wrong. It's out there anyway. I found out
about it and then came back was like, oh yeah,
it's out there, so it's out there. I don't know
anything about it. I just know that they stuffed it
up for twenty six forgever Do for c lan has
anybody else? Can you do me a favor if you

(14:02):
do word or can you go and have a look
at your streak? Just tell me if you've still got
your wordle streak, because because I don't know if you
realize this, but because of that AWS outage last night,
it mucked around with the wordle streak, so I knew
this was gonna happen. Yesterday when I was doing my wordle,
I was like, oh no, I'm not like because I
couldn't log in and I wouldn't. It kept trying to
log me in and it wasn't logging me in, and

(14:22):
I was like, I'm gonna lose my streak, And sure enough,
I've lost my streak. I was at six hundred and
thirty three and now I'm not one again. Now I
don't actually you know what, I've got to be honest
with you, I don't actually care because I had got
to the point where I was tired of being a
slave to wordle. I don't want to be a slave
to anything, including a word game. So now I've been
set free by the AWS outage, But does anyone else have?

Speaker 7 (14:45):
Like?

Speaker 2 (14:45):
Are they going to restore it? Have they restored yours?
Do you still have your wordle streak? I say, I
don't care about it. I am obviously, so just.

Speaker 9 (14:51):
Double check if they managed to restore it. Does that
mean you're a slave to word all? Yeah, so your
freedom is contingent being able to fix.

Speaker 2 (14:57):
It's a bittersweet. I sort of don't want them to
put it. But anyway, do you have your streak still?
Let me know? Nine two niney two. Hither is the
issue that people are too afraid to intervene when they
see a little girl drowning and they don't want to
be seen as a bad guy in a potential situation
when you're actually trying to help a child, and then
it's published all over Facebook and correctly good question. Hither,
I bet you everybody there was all just busy filming

(15:18):
it on their cell phones instead of reacting and interacting.
Maybe so sad days am anyway, murray El's is with
us shortly news talks.

Speaker 5 (15:26):
The'd be.

Speaker 3 (15:34):
Cutting through the noise to get the facts.

Speaker 1 (15:37):
It's Heather d for Cellen Drive with One New Zealand
coverage like no one else.

Speaker 3 (15:42):
News talks the'd be.

Speaker 2 (15:47):
Were going, Heather, I've still got my word Le's streak,
that's Maureen. Yes, I have my street with word Oh. Yes,
I still have my streak. Yes, I still have my
streak one hundred and thirty. I still have my three
hundred and eighty three streak. Yeshather, my data for Wordle
in all games has been restored. That's from Katie Hither.
I'm still streaking on Wordle. That's okay, all right, so

(16:09):
it's just me Hither try working on zero. They are
with Amazon and it's complete nightmare, says Michael. Someone says Heather.
When I finally got to bed to watch my program
on tv Z Plus, I couldn't and it kept me
up all night trying. I'm going to throw my phone
at someone tonight if it happens again. What a sad
person I am. Let me tell you something. You might
be sad, but you're not as sad as me worried

(16:30):
about my Wordle streak. That is the That is the
peak of sadness. Anyway, listen, and Paul Spain of Guerrilla
Tech is going to be with us after six o'clock
to talk us through this, and yeah, I'm gonna start
by asking about my wordle streak. Very soapers with us
in ten minutes twenty four away from five.

Speaker 3 (16:47):
It's the World wires on news dogs'd be.

Speaker 2 (16:50):
Drive so looks like Trumpy and Albo are besties. They
signed a minerals agreement and reconfirmed the ucust nuclear subdeal
at the meeting at the White House. But Trump has
also had to go at the Australian ambassad Kevin Rudd,
and the Assie opposition leader Susan Lee says that's not
a good sign.

Speaker 13 (17:04):
I don't believe he should stay in that role. And
to see the Prime Minister actually laughing at his own
ambassador in the room when the President made a joke,
I think it's untenable.

Speaker 2 (17:16):
Ozsi. Foreign Minister Penny Wong isn't too worried. I think
anyone looking at that knows that was tongue in cheek.

Speaker 3 (17:21):
We heard the laughter.

Speaker 2 (17:22):
We know that we had a very successful meeting, and
full credit to Kevin. More on this with Murray Old.
Shortly over in Palestine in the Middle East, the Gaza
municipal government is trying to deal with all the trash
that is built up in the city over the course
of the war. Rubbish collections were suspended for the duration
of the conflict, and this official says more rubbish has
built up than they can deal with.

Speaker 7 (17:43):
Now.

Speaker 14 (17:43):
The municipality is struggling with two important things. First, it
does not have access to the main landfill in eastern
Gaza City as the Israeli military is controlling the area. Second,
we don't have enough donors to assist the municipality and
its operations.

Speaker 2 (17:58):
And finally, and Oregon Town has held its annual Giant
Pumpkin Regatta. Competitors race around a small pond using hollowed
out giant pumpkins's bows. The first race of the day
was won by a man who dressed as Will Ferrell's
character from the movie Elf.

Speaker 1 (18:17):
International Correspondence with Ends and Eye Insurance, Peace of Mind
for New Zealand Business.

Speaker 2 (18:22):
And just in case you were like, what was up
with the music, it was smashing pumpkins. That that was.
And yeah, no, come on us.

Speaker 3 (18:29):
That's not bad.

Speaker 5 (18:31):
My yeah, pumpkin up. He's really gonna lift his musical game,
I'm afraid.

Speaker 2 (18:36):
And I'll tell you what that was, lifting his game.

Speaker 5 (18:41):
It was busted. Your wordle streak was bus at your port?
That's your first word? Word?

Speaker 2 (18:46):
Adieu A D I EU? What's yours?

Speaker 5 (18:49):
Radio?

Speaker 2 (18:50):
R A D bad? But I think we've used radio.
So what you're doing by doing that all the time
is that you're never going to get it in one.
But adu is still it's yet to come up. So
there's the chance I still get that in one. And
when it comes up, then I'm going to switch to snort.

Speaker 5 (19:04):
Oh, there you go. We's got enough vowels in snorts.

Speaker 3 (19:07):
Nah.

Speaker 2 (19:07):
But then what you do is you go snort first
and then you follow it up with a second one
that's got all the other vowels, and then between the
first two you've got enough to kind of carry on
from there. I usually get in the three. What about you?

Speaker 5 (19:17):
Oh no, no, I get down to six some days.
Oh do you?

Speaker 11 (19:20):
Oh?

Speaker 2 (19:20):
Rough a mate? Anyway, listen, tell me about elbow. That
willn't that bad in the end.

Speaker 15 (19:25):
Oh well, if you consider, you know, like poor old
Zelanski and Cyah Ramafos from South Africa, they were absolutely
creamed by Donald Trump.

Speaker 5 (19:35):
I mean he was just a bully today.

Speaker 15 (19:37):
I mean, let me do share some quotes Donald Trump
described Australia as quote a fantastic place. It's prime minister,
quote highly respected, who'd done a fantastic job. I would
say there's never been anybody better than mister Albanezy than Anthony.

Speaker 5 (19:54):
He said this to the camera. It's a great honor
to have you as my friend, and a great honor
to have you in the United States of America. So
all the gushing, I mean, everybody was terrified here was he.

Speaker 15 (20:04):
Got to go in there and get the Ramafos treatment
and get the Zelenski treatment.

Speaker 5 (20:09):
It couldn't be further from that. And some very it
wasn't just all about gushing praise. Some significant, significant deals
have been done, as a multi billion dollar minerals deal.
I mean, it couldn't have happened that.

Speaker 15 (20:22):
The timing for Anthony, alban Esi, Heather could not have
been better. China played that exotic minerals card last week.
There's Albanesi in the oval. We're not in the cabinet
room today signing a deal to Eventually, the plan is
to replace all of the all the stuff China's stockpiling.
There's also a brand new recommitment to Orcus from the

(20:42):
United States that means we're going to get nuclear submarines,
and Anthony Albanese said, well, if you love us so much,
what about a visit down under? So look, from the
Prime Minister's point of view, Eather, it could not have
gone more smoothly, as you say, a bit of a
bit of a backhanded for Kevin Rudd. And you know
the position here really clutching his straws oh sacking second,

(21:02):
that's not going to happen.

Speaker 5 (21:04):
I mean, it's just not going to happen.

Speaker 2 (21:06):
How do we feel about Albow? When when Donald Trump
sort of like, oh is he here? Elbow just points
and just like immediately he's just like there he is.

Speaker 5 (21:13):
Well, I know, he threw him up.

Speaker 15 (21:15):
He threw him out of the biggest bloody bus you've
ever seen, didn't he He didn't even he.

Speaker 2 (21:18):
Didn't even say anything nice. There he is. There's Kevin Rudd.
Wonderful ambassable.

Speaker 5 (21:24):
Policy is just a president.

Speaker 2 (21:27):
This new research it says breastfin breastfeeding can prevent breast cancer.
Is this credible?

Speaker 5 (21:33):
They say it is?

Speaker 15 (21:34):
They look and I mean this link has been around
for some time, this suggestion that breastfeeding mums actually raise
their immunity levels against breast cancer.

Speaker 5 (21:45):
There's been this new work done down in Melbourne, the
Peter McCallum Cancer Seeing Dore, one of the best in Australia.
And what they're saying down there, as you breastfeed as
a mum, you are creating these little specialized in immune
cells that apparently settle in breast tissue. Now these cells are.

Speaker 15 (22:05):
Now acting as a I guess, a protective barrier if
you like, and any abnormal cells that come along and
they're presenting themselves as cancer cells.

Speaker 5 (22:15):
The feeling is that if you get enough of these
cells you can turn them modern some way. These cells
that have been built up because of breastfeeding, we'll be
able to attack these horrible cancer cells. It's only a
small sample here. They're two hundred and sixty women who
had a breast reduction or a mastectomy to avoid the
chance of cancer. But women who have had children are

(22:38):
much more likely to have these immunity cells. So they're
very excited and they're going to be building on this
research for sure.

Speaker 2 (22:44):
That's very very cool. And please to hear that, Murray,
thank you very much, Murray OL's Australia correspond And then yeah,
gives you another reason to get the old boob out
for the baby. Now here's this is what happened to
Kevin rudther this is how it played out.

Speaker 1 (22:55):
Have you had any concerns for this administration with a
stance on Palestine?

Speaker 16 (23:00):
I'm a change or even things the ambassador said about
you in the Pasti's strained ambassador.

Speaker 3 (23:05):
I don't know anything about him.

Speaker 6 (23:06):
And if he said bad, then maybe he'll like to apologize.

Speaker 3 (23:09):
I really don't know.

Speaker 6 (23:10):
Did an ambassador to say something bad?

Speaker 17 (23:13):
Don't tell me where is he?

Speaker 18 (23:16):
Is he still working?

Speaker 19 (23:17):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (23:20):
You said bad?

Speaker 1 (23:22):
Be dispositions to president.

Speaker 6 (23:23):
I don't like you either, and probably never will go ahead.

Speaker 2 (23:29):
That's not a big deal for Kevin Rudd. No one
really likes Kevin Rudd. Not even his own party members
liked Kevin Rudd. What he said about Donald Trump was
the most destructive president in history. He drags America and
democracy through the mud. But then he was happy to
set at his table, wasn't he. Now Listen, Barry Soap
is going to be with us very shortly. I need
to talk to you about what the public service has

(23:50):
done with the ads. We need to talk about that.
We also need to talk about and I'm going to
run you through those details. Also need to talk to
six sixty because six sixty have just announced a new
country and roots music festival, which seems like an unlikely
thing for them to do, but like the cashing in
on the Old Country Train, it's the coolest thing out
at the minute. So they've announced a festival. It's called
Sweet Home Olds Here at Or It's going to be

(24:11):
very early in January, like a third or something like that,
Upper Mattcana. It does feel like it's designed for Mike.
Do you do you feel like that because Mike, Mike's
up at Madicana. Mike loves country music. Mike will be
there over summer. Surely, if he knows what's good for him,
he could just pop along to this.

Speaker 10 (24:24):
So I.

Speaker 2 (24:26):
Was gonna say, I, I don't know that, like the
ha half. Of course, they haven't done it for Mike,
but then you never know where things happen for Mike.
Tammy Nielssen I looked at the lineup, I was like,
I don't know any of these people except for Tammy Nielsen.
She's amazing. But anyway, we'll talk to much to you
from six sixty and about twenty minutes time. It's sixteen
away from five.

Speaker 1 (24:42):
For politics with centrics credit check your customers and get
payments certainty.

Speaker 2 (24:46):
Hither I had a seven hundred and sixty one word
le streak in about three months ago. It just disappeared
and now no streak has recorded at all. And you
has been a winner too. I always start with a
new word first up more interestingly, And Barry, what's your
starting word? A?

Speaker 6 (25:00):
Do you as yours?

Speaker 9 (25:02):
Either?

Speaker 2 (25:02):
I know that, I know I've already said that.

Speaker 6 (25:04):
Yeah, what's yours? I change mine?

Speaker 2 (25:07):
Yeah, yours? Yours just goes with Like when you're angry,
you just start with the word angry sometimes, don't you.

Speaker 6 (25:11):
But I'm never angry. I never start with a lot.

Speaker 2 (25:14):
A lot actually anyway. Barrisoper, Senior Political corresponds is with
us now speaking of angry Willie Jackson.

Speaker 6 (25:21):
Well, will he's certainly on the bandwangon, isn't he? And
he has an association with Dame nol and Tyro the
suspended netball coach. Look, I think this is going to
come to a head fairly quickly. Actually here the netball
New Zealand receives more than three million dollars from the
taxpayer through funding various things like high performance sport and

(25:45):
what have you. Mark Mitchell, who's a sports minister, he's
basically spoken to Sport New Zealand and he's outlined in
his expectations to bring the impast to an end. And
I think the only end in sight for this, and
I'll put up a hand if it doesn't happen. I
think Nolan Tyro will be reinstated before much longer.

Speaker 2 (26:09):
Ah well, if you think that, then you must then
surely Jenny Wiley has to get the sack.

Speaker 6 (26:13):
Well, I don't know. I mean, that's my expectation is
that Tyrone will be back. I think there's a feeling
generally in government circles, circles as well as anywhere else
that she's been badly treated. Few players that are not
happy with the schedule that she puts some turn expects

(26:34):
them to follow. Sorry, a few part players does not
a team make?

Speaker 2 (26:39):
All right? What did you make of Chippy's day today?

Speaker 6 (26:41):
Well? It was an oops moment, wasn't it that you know? Unfortunately,
Asha Verel is away sick today and she published an
op ed in New Zealand Doctor which went out today
and outlined a policy that labor was going to announce,

(27:02):
and in fact she jumped the gun and Chris Hopkins
was caught short by it. She wrote this, and basically
it came as news to her leader, Chris Hipkins, We're.

Speaker 12 (27:15):
Going to have to wait if you're interested in an
announcement that we may or may not be making. The
fact that I'm not aware of it. We have health
policy coming.

Speaker 6 (27:25):
Short time later, we had this to say.

Speaker 5 (27:27):
You caught me slightly by surprise.

Speaker 12 (27:28):
I was expecting that health announcement to be tomorrow, but
that was my timing that I had in the back
of my mind. That was incorrect. Aisha Verel has been
working on a policy around independent pricing for GP practices.
A significant gap between the funding GP practices need to
deliver service as normal had opened up over the period
of about a decade. We've been working on a mechanism

(27:50):
to try and stop that from happening again in the future,
which is why we had agreed on an independent pricing authority. Unfortunately,
through conflimence of events by as unex expectively away sick
today as that went out in midday to day. It
is a policy that has been approved. It's something that
we've been working on for a wee.

Speaker 6 (28:07):
While, now get your act together if you go to
be announcing policy. They've only had one up until now,
and that was yesterday, which was at and this was
an absolute bot chut. And of course within seconds of
it happening, who was on putting out a press statement.
Chris Bishop, who's not even the health spokes or not
even the Health minister, but he put out a statement

(28:28):
saying that it's just another desperate attempt to look busy
without doing the hard work. Said there's no costings, no plan,
no evidence it'll deliver anything meaningful. So quite right, Yeah,
I mean short and embarrassing.

Speaker 2 (28:42):
Okay, So what are you hearing is happening with the
Maori Party?

Speaker 6 (28:44):
Well, what I've heard is that, look, there will be
something happening when Raui why to Tea. Finally he gets
back from China that he's been away with the Kappa
Huka group. God knows how he gave himself leave from
Parliament to do that, but nevertheless he did. And when
he win has parties in the state that it is,

(29:05):
it doesn't say much about the leadership that it goes
off sea overseas with an entertainment group. Nevertheless, that's where
he's been. When he gets back, I think things will
start moving. I was making inquiries around the Maldi Party
today and of course Rurery White at Tea. He's married
to the Chief Press Secretary of the Maldi Party and

(29:26):
she's the daughter of John Tammahery, the president of the
Maldi Party. Well, this young Hannah Rafiti Clark, a mighty Clark.
Her mum and a sister are working for her. I
found out today the Malory Party is a big family affair.

(29:46):
And as we know, as we know that Kapa King
got into trouble for over spending her budget and where
did a lot of the money go to. Well, it
went to his son Eru, who was brought on as
a contractor and organized the Equoi to Parliament recently. So
everybody is in everybody else's pocket here, and it seems
the only one out of pocket at the end of

(30:08):
it is the poor old, long suffering taxpayer. So I
think what you're going to find is you're going to
find a split in the Maori Party. You're going to
see Maramino Cuppa KINGI she will be obviously out of
the party, probably stand for the rest of the term
as an independent Eru Caupa KINGI. He's doubled down. He

(30:29):
said he still supports the Maori Party, but he has
no credence with the party now. So look, there's going
to be a split, I think, and it'll come.

Speaker 2 (30:36):
I don't think it'll just be muddy. I mean all
as well, it might be tarkuterferis all right, Barry, thanks
very much, Barry Sober, Senior Political Correspondence coming up seven
away from five.

Speaker 3 (30:46):
The headlines and the hard questions. It's the mic asking
breakfast those budgets. How locked in are they?

Speaker 20 (30:52):
I mean how open to creep are they?

Speaker 18 (30:54):
So the Transport Agency has taken a very conservative approach
to the budget. There what's called the P ninety five
than P fifty, which technically means there are a lot
more confidence around the numbers than they are with a
P fifty. So they've done quite a bit of work
and it's they're conservatives, but there's no doubt that their
expensive projects.

Speaker 3 (31:10):
Okay, without that, how long is this stage?

Speaker 18 (31:12):
So what's happening now is we're going through a prioritization
exercise as a government. We've now god all of the
investment cases and we're going to go through a bit
of a process of the government. You can't build everything
all at once, and we've always said that.

Speaker 15 (31:23):
Back tomorrow at six am the Mike Hosking Breakfast with
a Vida News talk zeb listen.

Speaker 2 (31:29):
Just on the Maori Party. So this is what's going
on in the Maori Party right. So you have got
Hanna Mi p Clark who employs her mum and her
sister Maria men Or Kappa Kingi, who employs her son
John Tharmaheri who employs his daughter who also happens to
be the wife of raw Ytt. So now can I

(31:50):
point out to this not against the rules. It is
totally legit to get in there and then just start
employing your family with tax payer funding. Do you think
we need to change the rules, because I feel like
we need to change I'd be all about that. The
Marine and coast By the way, it's four away from
five the Marine and Coastal Areas Bill. This is the
replacement for the old Foreshawn Seabd situation that is going

(32:11):
to pass this evening. These are the amendments. Chris fin
Layson is not happy about it at all. He's going
to talk us through that when he's with us shortly,
and speaking of people not being happy about things, there
are a bunch of people labor who are not happy
that the Public Service Commission, which is the outfit that
runs the public service and conducts employment negotiations with teachers
and nurses, has taken out ads about the strike on Thursday.

(32:34):
These are Facebook ads that started running last night and
they say things like this. It says it's just like
a little banner. It says graduate nurses would have seen
in an eleven percent increase to their salaries on their one
year anniversary, an extra three hundred and seventy seven dollars
when including annual progression. It's another one that says the
same about senior nurses. I don't think it's really that bad,
but yeah, labor is not very happy about it. The PSA,

(32:57):
the Public Service Association's not very happy about it. So
Flur from the PSA is going to be with us
after half past five so we can get to the
bottom of what's so bad about it. But as I say,
Chrispin Layson is with us next news talks at b.

Speaker 1 (33:27):
Yeah, pressing the newsmakers to get the real story. It's
heather duper Clan drive with One New Zealand to coverage
like no one else news Talks av.

Speaker 6 (33:41):
Afternoon.

Speaker 2 (33:42):
Parliament are said to change the law later today to
make it harder for Ewe and Hapoo to gain customary
title over coastal areas. It's a change to the Marine
and Coastal Area Act, which was originally introduced by their
Attorney General Chrispin Layson in twenty eleven under the Key government.
And he's with us now.

Speaker 3 (33:57):
High Chris Hi hither.

Speaker 21 (33:59):
I'm trying to get home to Wellington. I bet you're
pleased you don't live in Candala anymore.

Speaker 2 (34:03):
Lord. There are many days where I think the good Lord,
I don't live in Candala anymore. Good luck getting home.
But thank you for your time, Listener. You challenging the
government's assertion that this change brings the law closer to
what was originally intended.

Speaker 10 (34:16):
Yes, it doesn't.

Speaker 21 (34:17):
It changes the law and you've only got to look
at the section dealing with burden of truth to realize
that it playing around with it. So it doesn't clarify
the law at all. It changes and if they want
to do that, well, of course Parliament's sovereign. But why
don't they come out and say it instead of indulging
in this myth.

Speaker 2 (34:33):
So what was the original intention? How much of this
land would have been handed back under the original intention?

Speaker 10 (34:40):
Well didn't it?

Speaker 21 (34:41):
Well that's the wrong question. Really, the question is what
was the test? And it was a test that was
worked out over quite some considerable time with the Maori
part and your officials.

Speaker 10 (34:52):
So it's a property right.

Speaker 21 (34:53):
In order to prove you had the property right, you
had to prove that you held in an accordance with
teacunger and exclusive use and occupation since eighteen footy without
substantial interruption.

Speaker 2 (35:04):
And so what's it been changed too?

Speaker 11 (35:06):
I beg your pardon?

Speaker 2 (35:07):
What is it being changed too?

Speaker 21 (35:09):
Oh well, the test for proving extinguishment now slips to
ewe and the test for establishing customary title has been made.
I would say it's even harder than what Helen Clark
had in her foreshore legislation in two thousand and four.

Speaker 2 (35:26):
Okay, practically under your test, how much of the land,
had you, guys, foreseen, would have been handed back?

Speaker 3 (35:33):
Oh?

Speaker 21 (35:33):
Well, it's not handed back because public access was always
guaranteed and if there was an urgent waltz that needed
to be built, or some kind of infrastructure that was
all covered under the accommodated activities. So the question you're
asking is what had I anticipated would.

Speaker 3 (35:52):
Probably be the area where there would.

Speaker 21 (35:55):
Be extant customary title? And I would have said, I said,
in but tween twelve something around the region of ten percent.
But that was sort of a guestimate on my part.

Speaker 2 (36:07):
Okay, And do you have any idea what the changes
will lead to down from ten percent? I'll probably nil
Uiaan question is why have you left it until the
day it passes to say this?

Speaker 10 (36:20):
I haven't.

Speaker 21 (36:21):
Why do you say that I've been in a principled way,
consistent with my respect for property rights and the rule
of law, raising these issues. Audrey's article appeared in the
Herald today, but it's not the first one. There have
been a number of points that I've been making over
the last six months about this, because it's a matter

(36:44):
that means a lot to me, because I work very
hard with the Maori Party and with various interest groups
like the Ports Association to craft a response to the
Foreshore and Seabed Act which would be enduring, and these
people are just sweeping it away, paying no attention to
the past.

Speaker 2 (37:04):
Chris, thank you for your time and good luck getting
back to Candala. That is Chris fin Lason, the former
Attorney General. Ever, political pressure is now starting to mount
on Netball New Zealand. In the Dame Knowles Coaching debarcle,
Sports Minister Mark Mitchell says he's told Sports New Zealand
he wants the issue solved quickly and fairly, and he's
with us. Now, Hi Mitch, Hi, Heather, why have you

(37:25):
got involved now?

Speaker 5 (37:27):
Oh?

Speaker 22 (37:27):
I just think it's streaming on too long. I think
that everyone involved loves netball, but the fact of the
matter is this is not good for netball. That's one
of our iconic games and so many people participate and
enjoy the sport. This is not good for anyone and
so I've asked sport ends to give me advice and
seeing a clear message that this needs to be resolved.

Speaker 2 (37:50):
Have you given them a deadline? Netball New Zealand.

Speaker 22 (37:53):
No, I haven't given them a deadline because I'm not
Actually I don't have an official role in the negotiation
in the work that's going on between Sporting z and
in day nolling, but you know I have an interest
in this.

Speaker 6 (38:07):
Most keyw weis do.

Speaker 22 (38:08):
There's a few bit of funding that goes to knitball
New Zealand taxpayers money.

Speaker 3 (38:13):
We're proud of the game.

Speaker 22 (38:14):
It's an important game for us as a country. It's
going on too long and so I've asked them to
of our sporting z to do everything they can and
make sure that we offer up all the support in
resource that we have to get this resolved quickly and
fairly for both parties.

Speaker 2 (38:27):
All Right, Willie Jackson wants you to cut funding until
it's resolved. Are you interested in doing that?

Speaker 22 (38:32):
No, I'm not doing that. I'm not going to punish
a whole lot of other people. I just thought, like
I said to you, all the parties involved with this
are deeply passionate about the sport and about knitball. They
just have to be able to get around the table
and get agreement on this.

Speaker 2 (38:45):
Do you have any reason to believe that that Dame
Noles may be reinstated?

Speaker 3 (38:53):
I don't.

Speaker 22 (38:54):
I've got I mean, I do have some information. I'm
not going to breach confidence on that because both parties
are sitting down around the table too, you know, to
negotiate and to come up with a fear.

Speaker 2 (39:08):
Much if you can and I realize you don't want
to breach confidence, so please don't. But can you tell
me if they're working to get her reinstated or are
they working to sack her?

Speaker 22 (39:18):
So again, I'm not going to breach that process because
that is something that is between those parties. Me personally,
I would love to see her read stated. I think
she's an outstanding coach, I think, but I think there's
obviously issues here that they have to deal with in
address and I think that, like I said, I come
back to my default said, I just believe this either
that you know these people that whether it be netballing

(39:40):
said or Dave Noling, look at the look at the
dedication and to the sport and the love of the sport.
Just get around the table and figure it out.

Speaker 2 (39:49):
Too, right, Mitch, thanks very much, appreciate your time.

Speaker 5 (39:51):
Mate.

Speaker 2 (39:51):
That's Mark Mitchell, Sports Minister Heather do for see Ellen
Heather read the Maori Party employing all their family It's
called nepotism, Yeah, it is. Well, actually, if you go
and read the actually actually actually if you go and
read the email that the Marti Party sent out, that
little smear campaign that they started on Mariameno Kappa king
of their own MP last week. They said something like
it was something I'm going to misquote them, but it

(40:12):
was something like other people call it, call it nepotism,
but we just call it love for our family. I'll
just leave it at that anyway. So more Prince Andrew allegations.
I'm going to go dig up that quote actually and
quoted properly for you in a minute. More Prince Andrew allegations.
Two of them now. The first one is that his
team had tried to hire internet trolls to hassle Hiss,

(40:34):
accused of Virginia Giufrey. This is according to her memoir
which has been published after her death. Also, the second
allegation is that British Security Service has actually deemed him
to be a potential security rest risks to the country
as long ago as twenty twenty one because of his
close links to alleged Chinese spies, and that they warned
the spies. That the British spies warned senior government ministers

(40:55):
about the risk that Andrew posed five fourteen. Hey, there
is some for everyone at BYD at the moment, or
at least there will be real soon because BYD is
about to launch four new models in New Zealand that
will bring the total number of models that they have
available here to ten. So if you want yourself a
compact hatch for cruising around the city all electric, you

(41:16):
want to try yourself the ATTO one that, by the way,
is also known as the BYD C Gull or the
BYD Salt Dolphin Surf in other markets, and that has
been named this is the ATTO one in New Zealand
has been named one of Time's Best Inventions of twenty
twenty five. How good is that? If you want yourself
as well, there's something a little bit bigger. You've got
the ATTO two all electric compact suv. Then you've got

(41:37):
the next one up as the Sea Lion five. This
is the mid sized suv. And then if you want
yourself something a little bit bigger. You know you're Tim Wilson.
You've got a lot of kids. You need seven seats.
This is what you're looking at, the Sea Lion eight,
the hotly anticipated launch of next year. Now BYD have
been really tight lipt on pricing, so I cannot tell
you anything about prices. I don't know, but the ATTO

(41:59):
one is room to launch as the most affordable electric
vehicle in New Zealand. So if you're interested, register interest
now at byd auto dot co dot MZ Heather.

Speaker 3 (42:10):
Du for s Allen, don't bog get your family right.

Speaker 2 (42:16):
You love yourself five eighteen, You love yourself. A little
bit of country. You might love this. Six sixty, the
band you're listening to at the moment, is launching a
brand new country and roots music festival. It's going to
be in Matakana in early January. Matthew Walters is the
lead singer and the guitarist obviously of six sixty and
with us mucha hello, Hello Ad, I'm very well, thank you.
Why country?

Speaker 10 (42:37):
Well?

Speaker 17 (42:38):
To be honest, I've been spending a lot of time
in Nashville just writing a lot of music, and every
time I go there, I actually feel this connection with
back home and like working obviously, Nashville's at this country
music hub, and there's just this really strong connection between
roots and country. I felt for a while between you know,
the songwriting, the storytelling and like no real instruments, you know,

(42:58):
and this honesty and this lyric. So I just thought
it'd be a really cool idea to bring a country
and roots festival to New Zealand.

Speaker 2 (43:05):
So are you gonna are you going to potentially draw
two completely different crowds to the same place, like one
crowd coming to see Country and one crowd coming to
see Roots.

Speaker 17 (43:14):
Well, I'm sure there's going to be a divide like
there are most times at shows, and particularly six sixty shows,
But I think they're different people who enjoyed the same things,
which is why, like I said, that Roots and Country
really have this kind of this cross section that I
that I really love and I think it's just going
to be I think it's going to be a really
fun and it's something new that I think people are

(43:34):
going to really love.

Speaker 2 (43:35):
Look, you know this already. Festivals are really hard at
the moment, it's hard business to get into heaps them
are falling over. So have you checked it out completely?

Speaker 10 (43:46):
I think so.

Speaker 17 (43:49):
Well, Look, I'm just always in for doing cool stuff
and the timing feels right, and like I said, it's
it just feels like something new and exciting and something
for all types of people. I think festivals can be
kind of exclusive when it comes to you know, age
groups and demographics, and I think this is going to
be something that that everyone can come to an experience

(44:12):
and enjoy. So I'm not worried on that front at all.
I think it's going to be This is a great
asset for the music, for New Zeald music industry, I
think so.

Speaker 2 (44:20):
Now listen, just put just dispel the smith. You haven't
set this festival up entirely for Mike Hosking.

Speaker 7 (44:25):
Have you?

Speaker 10 (44:26):
Well?

Speaker 2 (44:27):
Because he's a country music lover, and he lives in Madicana,
and he's going to be taking a long break over summer.
It just feels like this is just is just done
for him.

Speaker 17 (44:36):
Let's just run with that, with that story. I think
it's going to be good for his ego.

Speaker 2 (44:39):
Rename that you could probably will his ego will love it.
You could rename it the Mike Hoskin Country Festival.

Speaker 17 (44:45):
Sponsored by sponsored by We'll get them, We'll give him
a VIP area.

Speaker 2 (44:50):
This is becoming real for him right now. Do you
best of liked with him? I really appreciate you talking
to us much. You Walter's six sixty frontman. And if
Mike sponsors it, actually it does solve the problem of
festivals being hard business, isn't it, Heather? Absolutely normal to
ask your question and then be told that's the wrong
question by Chris Fphin Layson. What you have to understand
is Chris is always disappointed when he comes on the

(45:10):
show and doesn't and I don't fight with him, and
so what he was trying really hard to get me
to bait him. Oh, rather he was trying to He's
trying to bait me, and I wasn't rising to the occasion.
But I'll tell you what, Okay, we'll put him out
of his misery. Because it's the second or third time
this has happened where he's asked the producer, is he
THEI going to fight with me today? I'm ready for
a fight. And then I haven't risen to the occasion.
So what I'll do is I promise you this, next

(45:30):
time Chris is on, we'll have a We'll have a
good old Barney Ay. It'll make him feel better about it,
and then he'll he'll he'll he'll stop trying to bait me.
Here's the quote from the Maori Party. This is what
they've written in the email quote, pakiha apply a word
to us called nepotism. The Maori word for nepotism is
adha kit the fano dothok or thor fuck up, Pappa.

(45:51):
Never mind that that's not a word, that's actually a phrase.
What's two phrases anyway, What it means is the Maori
direct translation the Mardi word for nepotism is love to
the family, support for the genealogy. So there we go.
I was pretty pretty good with my quote before five two.

Speaker 3 (46:07):
Hard questions, strong opinion.

Speaker 1 (46:10):
Heather dupis Ell and Drive with one New Zealand tand
of Power of Satellite Mobile News.

Speaker 2 (46:15):
Dog said, be we're going to talk to the PSA
about the fight they're having with Sir Brian Roach. Next
it's five twenty five. Well, hmm, I think it's fair
to say, don't you think that Labour's first policy has
been a flop. It's been panned by pretty much everybody
worth listening to or worth reading. I mean, I see
Mikey Sherman over over at tvnz' liked it last night.
She called it a solid first hat on tally, but

(46:38):
I think everyone else seems to have seen through what
Chippy's trying to do here. Let me quote you some
Tom pull Astreka at the Post. Labour's Future Fund hits
the buzzwords, but the rationale is hard to follow Patrick
Smelley at Business Desk. This suggests either that Labor is
economically illiterate or that its target audience is presumed to
be Radio New Zealand. The distinct lack of detail has

(47:00):
if Labour somewhat exposed, evoking echoes of other ambitious projects
that fizzle, like Key we build all the Green Investment Fund.
Jine Tibscherani at The Herald says this is actually less
about making New Zealand wealthy and really more about having
a crack at national impossible asset sales at the next election.
Henry Cook at The Post Labour's Future Fund promises everything
and nothing. It's hard to know what to really make

(47:20):
of this. And then Patrick Smeley again because his piece
is just so eviscerating, Labour will have to do a
whole lot better than this. Now, basically what you could
take from that is that no one serious is convinced
by it, because Labour has taken a great idea, which
is Singapore's Temarsek, and then taken all all the taken
away all the things that make Tamasek successful, Tama six
sales assets. This lot is not allowed. Tamasik invests overseas.

(47:42):
This lot is not allowed. That's just a couple of
the problems. Yeah, I mean the list. Honestly, the list
of problems in this policy announcement is so long we
could do an entire show about it. I suspect Labour
knows this. I think they know it's a bad idea.
They just think we're too stupid to realize how bad
an idea is. They think that we're going to be
hoodwinked by all of the field good slogans about investing
in New Zealand's future and cutting out the foreign investors

(48:03):
and stuff like that. But I'm happy to report that,
judging by the media around up, I just read you
not at all as stupid as Labour thinks we are.
We can see a dog policy when we're presented by
worth one and this is one. Hellul So, I was
listening to Kerry this morning and I tuned in just
at the right right points to think to catch what
I think might have been the caller of the day,
which is Richard who was calling in about this fund.

Speaker 23 (48:25):
Paul of anyone who wants to bring in a left
a socialist leaning government, a left wing I'm talking left
wing government. We all need examining it, the whole lot
of us that we have to vote for them absolutely much.

Speaker 2 (48:39):
Richard's not mucking around with this one. They're absolutely nuts
and if you're going to vote for it, you need examining.
Listen to Richard anyway, we'll have a little chat to
the hudd and we might touch on this. We've got
so much to talk to the huddle about because just
so much has happened today hasn't already And of course,
Paul Spain, let me remind you if you if your
wordle streak is broken by that stupid outage overnight, or
if you're still trying to use the zero and it's

(49:00):
it's dicking around and life is just not good, and
you try to watch neon last night or TVNZ class
or whatever and you wanted to throw your phone at
the wall, all of those things. We'll check him with
Paul Spain after six o'clock to see if this has
all been resolved and if you're gonna get your word
all straight back. Us is next to.

Speaker 3 (49:20):
Little dumb gotto ish.

Speaker 2 (49:23):
I just smile.

Speaker 1 (49:25):
Digging deeper into the day's headlines, it's Heather duplic Ellen
Drive with one new Zealand coverage like no one else
news talks.

Speaker 3 (49:34):
They'd be.

Speaker 2 (49:37):
Coming please, hey, I should have said. Actually, Patrick Smelly,
who wrote the quite a viscerating column on Labour's policy yesterday,
is going to be with us in an hour's time
and give us his take on it. Heither, why didn't
you state that Chrispin Layson has a conflict of interest
because he's actively working for Night Taho and maybe have
an opposing view as well, you know, like proper journalism Dale,

(50:00):
Thank you. The reason is because it doesn't matter what
Chrispin Layson thinks. The law is changing anyway. Twenty four
away from six now, there is some criticism of ads
running on Facebook ahead of Thursday's mega strikes. The ads
have been taken out by the Public Service Commission and
an example of one of the ads is this this
coming Thursday, more than eight eight hundred and forty five

(50:20):
thousand students will miss out on class time. Genuine offers
have been made in the opportunity to bargain remains open now.
Flurford Simon's is the National Secretary of the PSA and
with us Hello flur Now, good evening. Are you among
those criticizing these ads.

Speaker 3 (50:36):
Here we are.

Speaker 24 (50:37):
These are an unprecedented and an appropriate waste of public funds.
We've never before seen paid social media by the state
to try and persuade the public of the government's position
and collective bargaining. It's really quite unheard of.

Speaker 2 (50:51):
How many public funds well, so far.

Speaker 24 (50:54):
We don't know the full cost. I think it's a
small amount, less than to but it's dollars flu It's
not really the money, it's the principle of it. The
Public Service Commission is politically neutral. It's fine for the
Prime Minister and Simmy and Brown, Judith Collins to come
out and play the political game. That's fair enough. I
completely understand that. But the Public Service Commission is politically neutral.

(51:18):
It's there to serve the government of the day, and
they themselves talk about how they build and maintain trust
of the public in themselves as a public service institution,
and really this goes against its core purpose and they
certainly wouldn't let public servants get away with this kind
of action.

Speaker 2 (51:34):
What have they done that's not neutral here is that
they haven't taken a political position.

Speaker 24 (51:39):
Really, what they're trying to do is persuade the public
of their position. In collective bargaining.

Speaker 2 (51:44):
First of those, you're not there to try it. What's
wrong with that?

Speaker 24 (51:47):
Yeah, absolutely, and so as cabinet ministers and cabinet minister's
role totally appropriate, no problem with it, even though I
think they're being quite unhelpful, but that's up to them.
But the Public Service Commission is politically new. They're meant
to protect the political neutrality of the whole of the
public service and not into the political political flir.

Speaker 2 (52:07):
It's not policle. It is really dispute. There's no politics
in it. Unless you're telling me there's politics in it, flur.

Speaker 24 (52:15):
There's definitely politics in it. The funding of health and
education services are always political. They are political choices made
by the government of the day. But really what the
Public Service Commissions meant to do is be politically neutral.

Speaker 2 (52:28):
Let me just explain something to you from my perspective.
This is an employment dispute, right, So there are a
bunch of people who are unionized, not political, just unionized
workers who are striking against the government, well against their employer.
Their employer is the Public Service Commission, not political again, right,
so this is this is both sides of an employment dispute.
Explaining to the public why their services are disrupted. I

(52:50):
don't know how that is political to you. I don't
know how you can accuse the Public Service Commission of
being political when all they're doing is explaining an employment dispute.

Speaker 24 (52:59):
What they are doing is attempting to position themselves favorably
with the public when it comes to a collective bargaining
matter that is subject to good faith. They are running
the government's political lines, not the politically neutral position that
Public Service Commission has to run. They are operating outside
of their guidance and it is unprecedented. I don't mind

(53:22):
politicians doing it due to Colin's fair game, openly a
fair game. This is politically coordinated and politically motivated. Not
politically neutral or not the role of the Public Service Commissioner.

Speaker 2 (53:32):
Or is it political? Because actually this is political from you.
Guys have started your labor aligned You've all got together
on one day to try and make as much difficulty
for a national led government, and so you see the
Public Service Commission as political because they're opposed to you
and your political.

Speaker 24 (53:50):
Well, let's be clear, strikes have happened under labor governments
and under national governments. But yes, it is political how
much you choose to fund public health and education services.
And it is political when there are vacancies unfilled in
our hospitals, people working double shifts, dietitians not being able
to provide advice to cancer patients, children not getting cleft

(54:11):
palate surgery. These are things our members are saying are
happening in public hospitals right now. Is that political?

Speaker 2 (54:17):
Of course it is.

Speaker 24 (54:18):
It is a political choice about funding public hospitals and schools,
and that is made by the government and they need
to take responsibility for that, not the Public Service Commission
trying to influence the public through paid social media though.

Speaker 2 (54:29):
Flir it's good to talk to you. Thank you for
coming on. That's Flurford Simon's Who's the PSA National Secretary?
Nineteen away from six the.

Speaker 1 (54:35):
Huddle with New Zealand Southeby's International Realty. Find your one
of a.

Speaker 2 (54:40):
Kind on the huddle with us this evening. Tim Wilson,
Maxim Institute, Mark Sainsbury Broadcaster, High Lads, Hi, hear that?
Oh tem okay? How exercised you by the ads?

Speaker 10 (54:51):
Boy boy?

Speaker 11 (54:52):
There was a good exchange.

Speaker 16 (54:53):
Ever, I'm inclining towards the first position in the sense
that the mediums message right, So taking Facebook ads out
it does escalate what the Public Public Service Commission's role is.

Speaker 25 (55:09):
I think they can that they can, you know, stating
the facts about the about the strikes and how they've
been off off of these stuff, et cetera, et cetera,
saying that that that's sort of on the borderline, saying
that the unions have to get around the table. I
recon that's pushing, pushing things, but I don't like to
see institution's politicized.

Speaker 11 (55:28):
So I'm not I'm not that comfortable with this.

Speaker 10 (55:31):
Well, Tim an irons somewhat agreement. I've got some going
there's no there's no there's no problem putting their position
out there, which we should be entired to know. What
does it mean in the impact of the strikes and
that sort of thing. It comes back to this, this
whole issue of this, that the political neutrality, and I'm
interested to see that the Public Service Commission are saying

(55:53):
that they followed all the rules. I haven't seen the
details of the rules enough to judge and that, but
I think it is it's a pretty tricky set of area.
It doesn't seem to be much Heather. But it's if
you are going to politicize the Public Service or the Commission,
that is a real worry.

Speaker 2 (56:09):
Oka, Say so, And can I make this actually I'll
start with you on this, Tim.

Speaker 3 (56:13):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (56:15):
Can I make the argument that the Public Service Commission
is not politicized here? Because look at what they're saying.
All they're saying is, hey, we've tried to negotiate with
these guys. This is the outcome of the strike. You know,
the offer remains of whatever whatever. They haven't come out
and said anything nasty about the work, is anything nasty
about the unions. They've actually walked a fine line here.

Speaker 11 (56:37):
Yeah, I saw I saw one of the ads which
is like, you know, I can't recall if it was
senior tortures, but we've offered them eleven percent. They're going
to get eight more k, you know, eight.

Speaker 25 (56:49):
Or nine grand more. And when I saw.

Speaker 11 (56:51):
That, I was like, eh. And when I did that.

Speaker 10 (56:54):
I thought, is that right?

Speaker 25 (56:55):
In the Public Service commersions getting me to do But
and I'm not sure it is.

Speaker 10 (56:59):
I don't mind a minute for doing it.

Speaker 11 (57:00):
That's great, get into it, but I'm not sure about that.

Speaker 2 (57:03):
Say so, what do you think of Mark? Mitchell getting
involved in the Dame Knowles situation.

Speaker 10 (57:07):
Yes, I know, and he isn't interesting that. He was
quite right when he talked to you that he doesn't
have any official skin in the game. He's not a
party or anything like that. But any sporting body that
relies on government funds is going to be sensitive of
the issue. Then escalates around the corridors of power, and
that's going to be I mean's what an absolute messier.

Speaker 11 (57:30):
Well, what they have to do is take out a
series of ads on Facebook and then do a Facebook hole.

Speaker 10 (57:37):
And we can work it out.

Speaker 3 (57:38):
Well.

Speaker 10 (57:38):
Listen, maybe when Sir Brian's back from holiday he could
front them for him because he front Yeah, he could
do some reels.

Speaker 2 (57:44):
When he is finished dealing with this mega strike, he
can come and deal with the Dame Noles. I think
I don't know about you, but Mark Mitchell saying that
he wants to that. He said he didn't want to
influence the outcome, but he would like her back. I
think that it's very hard to ignore that if your Netball.

Speaker 3 (58:01):
New Zealand, Yeah, it is, it is.

Speaker 25 (58:03):
That was you know, it was interesting that Willie Jackson's
brought this into the political sphere and you know, exercising
some strong talkback muscles while he's doing it.

Speaker 11 (58:13):
But it sounds like Mike Mitchell's paying attention. And is
this is this a measure of the mana that we
have for day knowles that it is actually a national issue.

Speaker 2 (58:26):
Yeah, I think probably a little bit. And also we
can see unfairness I suspect a mile away. We'll take
a break, come back to you guys shortly quarter two.

Speaker 1 (58:32):
The huddle with New Zealand Southeby's International Realty, the global
leader and Luxury real Estate.

Speaker 2 (58:38):
Are you back with the huddle? Mark Sainsbury, Tim Wilson
sains So, can you explain something to me? How is
it that you have four people who see a four
year old in a fountain drowning or drowned and don't
pull her out? How did that happen?

Speaker 10 (58:50):
I wish I could explain it to you that that's
really disturbed me. That story. Just what have we come to?
I mean, I just I cannot actually get my head
around it. How someone could see a child lying face down,
even if it was you know, there was too late
in whatever from what the current is saying, it probably
wouldn't have made any difference. But you walk back a
child lying face down in.

Speaker 2 (59:11):
A yeah, because things I don't don't don't we all know,
even just from the movies. You pull them out and
you start doing a CPR while somebody is calling the
emergency services, like you start trying to get that water
out immediately. So what happened?

Speaker 10 (59:24):
And well, people sort of somehow suggesting, oh, people frightened,
They may think that sort of you know, who are
interfering with a child. Come on, you know you see
that you pull that child out immediately and you try
and help them. That's what anyone would do.

Speaker 7 (59:37):
That what you'd say, Tim, I think the messages, you know,
if something doesn't look right, intervene and may be prepared
to be prepared to be embarrassed or cask castigated later.

Speaker 11 (59:49):
Whether if it doesn't look right, you just got to
jump in.

Speaker 2 (59:52):
Do you think so, Tim, I've been it's been I've
been going from one theory to the other all afternoon,
trying to figure it out. Now, one of the things
that I worry is going on is that we are
worried about intervening with another person's child for fear of
what the parent make. Like let's say you go over
the kids just playing, You pull the child out, they're
just having a joke, but then the parent comes and

(01:00:12):
you're in huge trouble. Is that what we're afraid of?

Speaker 10 (01:00:15):
Yeah? I think that's that.

Speaker 11 (01:00:17):
That's part of it, that sense of oh, you know,
this is you get away from my kid. Having said that,
I think being able to assess the situate, being able
to assess the situation, and if you think it goes
over a crosses a certain line, you step over that line.
Because because this story, I mean, I don't want to
sociology sociologically overcock it. There are lots of things happening

(01:00:39):
on that. I felt so sorry for the grandfather who
didn't speak English, who was there and when he was
walking past, and the you know, the wee girls in
the fountain, she's already pasted or were already dead. It's
just it's just so so sad.

Speaker 2 (01:00:50):
It is really really sad.

Speaker 10 (01:00:52):
And here there's a difference between say, you intervene your
kids might be in a scrap or something where you
go and pull them out, or you interfere and kids
having a fight. This is a young child face down
in water. There was no you know, am I reading
this ride or have I got this wrong? I mean,
it's it's it's one of the most disturbing stories I've

(01:01:13):
come across.

Speaker 26 (01:01:13):
That is it possible that community has this is my
other theor is it possible the community has broken down
to such an extent that we just don't kind of
feel like we should be or need to be helping
other people.

Speaker 10 (01:01:26):
I don't even want to accept that either.

Speaker 3 (01:01:28):
No, you know, I don't.

Speaker 11 (01:01:30):
I don't think so. I think, you know, as key
which we're.

Speaker 25 (01:01:33):
A bit we're a hold backsh in some ways, you know,
we don't.

Speaker 11 (01:01:37):
Want things were just literally let's just easy, doesn't easy
go easy goes and and you know, I guess I
guess the sense of oh, I see this child and
I call the police, and that's that's a poor decision.
But that that personal. You know, they'll have to wrestle
with that decision all their life. It's not it's not easy.

Speaker 10 (01:01:56):
And who of us.

Speaker 25 (01:01:57):
Haven't made dumb decisions in the past? Well with the
pulsing through our.

Speaker 2 (01:02:01):
Veins, yeah I suppose so okay, hey, yeah, word all yeah, oh.

Speaker 10 (01:02:08):
Yeah, mine wasn't affected. And my keyword is scare.

Speaker 2 (01:02:14):
You've only got.

Speaker 10 (01:02:16):
There, I know, But the R and the yes. In fact,
I'm going to change it to stare actually in.

Speaker 2 (01:02:21):
Some Yeah no, that's a good one year stare as
in like st a.

Speaker 11 (01:02:25):
You started speaking out the language looks going on?

Speaker 2 (01:02:28):
Yeah, well no, what happened yesterday, Tim? Is that because
of the a WS outage, I lost my streak and
I was on six hundred and thirty three and now
it started again. Yeah okay, so I I think that
what's happened here saying so is that it's the time
of day you did it. I did my wordle when
when a WS was down in the evening?

Speaker 10 (01:02:46):
When did you do yours at various morning?

Speaker 27 (01:02:50):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (01:02:50):
Okay, so have you still got your streak?

Speaker 10 (01:02:53):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (01:02:53):
What is that?

Speaker 10 (01:02:54):
But I know i'd broken the streak a couple of
weeks ago, so it's sorry.

Speaker 16 (01:03:00):
What's this?

Speaker 10 (01:03:01):
What's this thing about?

Speaker 11 (01:03:02):
You know, Tim Wilson with the big cares. I heard
you at five twenty don't think much.

Speaker 2 (01:03:08):
I was looking at the bear.

Speaker 11 (01:03:09):
I here are my wife and I trying to prevent
a demographic collapse single handedly, and all you can do
is roots Well, I'll tell you, well, I'll take the
test drive and the BYD if you can Jack it
up though.

Speaker 2 (01:03:21):
I'll tell you what actually, but I'll tell you what Tim. Okay,
So I used to think that you having four children
was mental, but jeez, I could go a third, Like,
aren't they just graduate away?

Speaker 10 (01:03:30):
That's the way?

Speaker 2 (01:03:31):
Aren't they just lovely? I want how many?

Speaker 13 (01:03:33):
Vodo?

Speaker 10 (01:03:36):
What's that?

Speaker 2 (01:03:36):
How many have you got?

Speaker 10 (01:03:38):
Just the two?

Speaker 5 (01:03:38):
Do you?

Speaker 2 (01:03:38):
Okay?

Speaker 7 (01:03:39):
So?

Speaker 5 (01:03:40):
Yeah?

Speaker 10 (01:03:40):
At once? Do it right?

Speaker 2 (01:03:42):
Thank you?

Speaker 12 (01:03:42):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (01:03:43):
Well, I mean I am so sorely tempted. And then
I'm going to need that gigantic car as well. Tim. Listen, Thanks, guys,
go and have a lovely evening. Tim Wilson, Mark Sainsbury
The Huddle seven Away from six.

Speaker 1 (01:03:54):
It's the Heather Dupless Allen Drive Full Show podcast on
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Speaker 2 (01:04:00):
Be Hither and eleven year old girls saw a child
lying in the bottom of an Auckland swimming pool a
couple of weeks ago. So she dived down and she
pulled the child out so the life cards could revive
her and the child lived. So there you go, hither
Did you know about the story here in todung A
wavepool where a young girl saved a three year old
from the bottom of the pool at Bay Wave.

Speaker 3 (01:04:20):
There you go.

Speaker 2 (01:04:21):
There are some common sense out there hither. I saw
an eighteen month old toddler in the middle of the
road one day, just over the brow of a hill.
So I sprinted up the street and picked him up,
and I guessed at where he had come from, and
his mother had no idea he had gone. I didn't
even get a thank you, but maybe she was too shocked.
The question is, how would you feel if you didn't
intervene and then something happened? Cheers Tony. Yeah, good on
you guys. You're the bloody heroes, because you know it's

(01:04:44):
upset like I don't know if you noticed, but says
I was pretty upset about that. And I feel like
we'd all like to think that if our child, because yes,
stupid things sometimes happening, you'd like you'd like to think
that if your child was in trouble, somebody would stop
and help them out, and some adult would be there
for them. Here the good luck to the strikers. On Thursday,
one hundred and thirty k wins forecast again Yeah and

(01:05:05):
seventy percent rain and a high of eighteen. High of
eighteen and Wellington means really it's going to feel like ten.
So they're going to have to pack their warm woolies
and their little glovees and their double pants, you know,
like when you do the like tights and then the
jeans over the top. They do that in Wellington because
that's how cold it gets out there. And yeah we're
swimming in Auckland, but now on in Wellington. Good luck

(01:05:25):
with the strike. Listen Over in the UK, the Graham
line in Debarcle has ended.

Speaker 7 (01:05:31):
Now.

Speaker 2 (01:05:31):
I don't know if you've been across this, but this
is the one where the guy he writes father Ted
was writing father Ted and he landed Heathrow and he
was arrested by five officers who were armed because they
were worried about what he was going to do, because yeah,
they were arresting him because he said some things in
social media. So anyway, the cops have now decided they're

(01:05:51):
going to let them matter go. They're not going to
charge him. But more importantly they have also said this
is the entire police force in the UK have now
said that ending all hate investigations where there is no
criminal matter, nothing to deal with it's criminal. This is
a big deal because a lot of people are getting
in trouble in the UK with the cops coming around
to visit them and saying, now we read what you
said on social media. That's not allowed people to be

(01:06:13):
chucked in jail for it and stuff, so it's quite
a big deal that they're actually backing off this all together.
We're going to have a chat to end of Brady
about this. Who will be with us around about quarter
to seven. Next up, though, let's get across the situation
with AWS and Wordle and zero and TV and Z
and everything with Paul Spain, Newstorm, ZV Kissed anyway, what's up?

Speaker 3 (01:06:46):
What's down?

Speaker 1 (01:06:47):
One with the major cause and how will it affect
the economy? The big business questions on the Business Hour
with hither Duplessy Element and mass for Insurance Investments and
kweis You're in good Hands, News Talks.

Speaker 3 (01:07:03):
Good Evening.

Speaker 2 (01:07:04):
Coming up in the next hour. Patrick smalley is going
to talk us through Labour's policy flop yesterday. Jamie McKay
will talk us through Alliance shareholders voting for the sale
and end of Brady with all of the drama out
of the UK at seven past six now, this morning's
Amazon Web services outage will have cost companies hundreds of
billions of dollars. According to estimates, the outage affected thousands
of companies, from airlines to Zero, Alexa, Snapchat, the likes

(01:07:27):
of TV and z in Sky, and yes, controversially, everyone's
word all streak was broken if they're trying to do
wordle in the Evening. Paul Spain is the CEO of
Guerrilla Technology. Hey Paul, Hi, Heather, did you lose your
word all streak?

Speaker 3 (01:07:41):
No?

Speaker 28 (01:07:42):
Fortunately, that's not an addiction for me.

Speaker 2 (01:07:47):
Can they? Some people text me through the show, I
lost my streak, but they've still got their streaks? Now?
Is that because I played wordle while it was down
and they didn't.

Speaker 28 (01:07:57):
It might be a timing thing depending on when you
when you play and when they do. But I imagine if
a lot of people are impacted, they can they can
probably join join things up and solve that for you.

Speaker 2 (01:08:09):
No, well, I hope. So now listen. Is everything working now?
Has it all been fixed?

Speaker 10 (01:08:14):
Yes?

Speaker 3 (01:08:14):
And no.

Speaker 28 (01:08:15):
So on the Amazon side, they're reporting that they're one
hundred and however, many services that that were offline or
impacted are all back online. But a lot of things
got broken in the process, and so when I looked at,
for instance, zero a few minutes ago, they were still

(01:08:35):
reporting issues. And you know, I know people within my
business have been impacted by that today and finding zero
sort of you know, quite unreliable, slow and so on.
So this is this is a thing when you when
you when you break a lot of technology, sometimes it
takes quite an effort to actually get that, you know,

(01:08:57):
fully back to full operation. And possibly Amazon have been
a bit cautious about putting things back up to full speed,
but they haven't officially indicated that from from what I've seen.

Speaker 2 (01:09:11):
So given that, there will be businesses who have, as
I said earlier, lost a lot of money here who's
libel is a WS liable.

Speaker 28 (01:09:19):
Usually they kind of contract themselves out of liability in
their in their terms of service to it to at
least a large degree. So I would be surprised if
they're you know, heavily you know, in trouble on this one,
you know, directly. But I mean, yeah, that's that's not

(01:09:43):
not something I've kind of have full knowledge on all
the contracts that they've they've got maybe with some of
their bigger, bigger customers.

Speaker 2 (01:09:52):
Now, look, there was one commentator today who suggested that
what we need to do is diversify because we need
to accept that this kind of thing is going to happen, right,
and so maybe have your main bank account with one bank,
but then have another bank account with a different bank,
so that if your bank goes down in something like this,
you still have access to money. What do you think
might help?

Speaker 3 (01:10:11):
Might might not?

Speaker 28 (01:10:12):
Because as we move to a sort of world where
the banks and everyone else is running off a small
number of hyperscale cloud providers like AWS, Microsoft, Google, then
you know, one thing being impacted can impact another. And

(01:10:33):
of course you know banks rely on paymark and credit
card platforms and so on, so you know it takes
you know, one of those things to go down, could
take all of our banks offline. And so just as
you know, one of the arguments that you know some
people will raise around you know, how much digitization.

Speaker 10 (01:10:56):
Should we have?

Speaker 28 (01:10:57):
Should we really keep going to a fully digitized sort
of world where you don't have cash and so on?
And you know, this is one of those one of
those things that that comes up, is that it's nice
to have some backup options.

Speaker 2 (01:11:11):
Is it also, though, necessary to worry about it so much?
Because don't we just have to accept this kind of
thing is going to happen. Like it works ninety nine
point seven percent of the time, sometimes it's not going
to and it'll be up and running again within hours.

Speaker 28 (01:11:24):
Yes, and no, I mean the big players, lie, cameras
on will put a lot of effort in behind the
scenes to try and ensure that this particular issue never
happens again. And you know, over the years they've continued
to invest in resiliency. But you know what we've seen
over the last twenty four hours is nobody gets it

(01:11:45):
right all of the time, but the impact can be
quite big. And you know, this one's saying, you know,
we've we've heard these comments and you know, potentially hundreds
of billions of dollars. But of course that's not evenly spread.
So there may well be businesses in you know, multiple
countries around the world that will shut down because this

(01:12:06):
outage hit them, you know, in the wrong way at
the wrong time. And you know that that's that's not
necessarily the sort of you know, the sort of outcome
that you would want. And of course there is the
potential for for you know, for bigger interruptions to the technology. Uh,

(01:12:27):
you know, we saw Tonga when they they went off offline,
you know pretty much as a uh you know, as
a as a nation when their fiber optic cable to
the rest of the world was was destroyed with with
the volcano going back a little while, so you know,
we do have to think around, well, how resilient are

(01:12:47):
we and you know, is there's such a thing as
over digitization.

Speaker 2 (01:12:52):
That's a really interesting idea, Paul, Thank you very much.
Paul Spain, CEO of Guerrilla Technology, actually on that subject,
because remember this happened, happened a while ago, I feel
like it was last year, and then you couldn't get
groceries because the blah blah blah whatever thing was down.
So I took out I think a couple of hundred bucks,
shoved it somewhere. I know where it is. I'm just
I'm not telling you where. I'm not telling you and

(01:13:12):
my husband where it is, but I know where it is,
and that's for the in case of this happening. So
maybe he's right, Maybe we are over to digitized. Listen,
Torpedo seven a brand that I actually have bought quite
a lot of stuff from a kind of have a
soft spot for Torpedo seven, it's going to go back
to being online only. Do you remember it was online
only when it first started about twenty years ago or
something like that. The group who bought it for a

(01:13:33):
dollar from the warehouse, called the Tahua Group, are going
to close two of the stores and then they're going
to convert ten of the other stores to a new
retail offering, which they're calling the Outlet, and then after
that Torpedoes it's just the outlet and Torpedo seven is
online only. Before they do that, though, which sounds like
they're going to do it sort of like early next year,
after summer, there's going to be a major clearance sale
to look out for. You're welcome. Fourteen past six.

Speaker 1 (01:13:56):
It's the head Duper c Allen Drive Full Show podcast
on I'm Radio empowered by newstalg Zebbie Heather.

Speaker 2 (01:14:04):
Just so you know, only fans went down as well.
No thank you, Colin seventeen past six, the.

Speaker 3 (01:14:10):
Rural Report on Heather.

Speaker 2 (01:14:12):
Do for see Alan Drove Jamie Mackay The country is
with us, Hello, Jamie.

Speaker 27 (01:14:17):
I can't even get one word or let alone six
hundred and thirty three or whatever, Heather. So you're still
a winner in my eyes.

Speaker 2 (01:14:23):
Oh mate, thank you, but that don't don't don't be
so stoked. There are some people who have like streaks
of about one thousand plus, so I am but a
child compared to them. Anyway, It's not to be. That's
that's the end of that for me. Now, Alliance not
a surprise, is it.

Speaker 27 (01:14:39):
No, not a surprise at all. Look, it was a
really Hobson's choice for the farmers. So the vote finished yesterday.
They announced the results this morning. An overwhelming mandate is
what i'd call it. Eighty eight percent of the shares
on issue voted, which was important because they needed at
least fifty percent of them to vote, and those that

(01:15:00):
voted they need a seventy five seventy five percent majority.
They did much better than that. They got eighty seven
so that met the threshold required by the Takeovers Code.
You all know the deal by now, two hundred and
seventy million from the Irish meat company Dawn meets for
sixty five percent of the Alliance group. There are some
synergies and advantages because Dawn meats very strong and beef.

(01:15:23):
The Alliance is the world's biggest sheep meat processor, so
they're going to balance each other out there. Obviously, Northern
Hemisphere supply versus Southern Hemisphere supply. That all round, all
round supply is going to be good. Mark Win, the
chair who's really staked his reputation on this one, was

(01:15:45):
pretty tough when I was talking to him today. And
you know who were Dawn Meats. While they were established
in the nineteen eighties by three Irish farming families, they
processed three and a half million sheep and one million
cattle a year. That's a lot of cattle for farmers
flying them. That makes them bigger than any meat company
here in New Zealand. Turnover of five point eight billion,

(01:16:06):
which is two to three times any meat company here
in New Zealand for eleven processing sites in Ireland at
thirteen in the United Kingdom. But as I said, Hobson's
choice for the farmers, they didn't really have much of
an option. The proposal to recapitalize from some high profile,

(01:16:26):
high wealth farmers didn't really take off. So really hither
it's up to the batter's box for the next farmer
co Op vote, and that is Fonterra.

Speaker 2 (01:16:35):
Do you think any of these farmers will all shareholders
would have been put off by Winston Peters.

Speaker 27 (01:16:41):
Oh, I don't know. Winston's blustering away on this one,
and Shane Shane Jones is also as well. This is
all part of the New Zealand first nationalistic view on life,
where any foreign investment is totally evil. Look, Winston, as
much as I admire them on occasions, is totally wrong here.
It's none of his business. He needs to butt out.

(01:17:02):
These are farmer owned cooperatives. The only people who have
a right to make a decision here are the owners
of the company or in this case the cooperatives, the farmers,
just like the Fonterra one. He's jumping up and down
about that, and Shane Jones was saying, well, Fonterra is
going to come knocking at my door needing favors. I
said to him it sounded a bit like a threat.
So that vote, Heather, we'll know that one next Thursday.

(01:17:25):
We're about to talk about that one Thursday week, October
the thirtieth, And you know, you don't look a gift
horse in the mouth. The farmers are of course going
to vote to get three point two billion of the
four point two billion that they're going to get from
the sale to the French dairy giant. Luck tellus. I
hope I got that right. I don't think no, I

(01:17:47):
didn't play with lactalise. Thank you, Heather. Well you're multilingualiz.

Speaker 2 (01:17:52):
I don't even know that I got it wrong. But
I just I think if you if you just come
at it with some confidence, I think you know wins
the day.

Speaker 27 (01:17:58):
The great the great Keith Quinn used to say in
rugby commentary back when I was a commentator many years ago,
if you can't pronounce it, just say it quickly, and
I should have. I've missed a trick there. Look, they're
going to get two dollars per share tax free capital return.
That's something like three to four hundred grand for your
average farmer. A lot of that's going to go into
debt repayments. Some of them paid big money for their

(01:18:20):
Fonterra shares in the first place. But a lot of that,
some of it is going to find its way into
essential farming expenditure. And I'm talking about replacing utes and
tractors that are overdue to be replaced. So this is
going to be a real kick in the backside for
the economy.

Speaker 2 (01:18:35):
Oh brilliant. Hey, Jamie, listen, thank you very much. Appreciate
Jamie McCay, Host of the Country. Can I tell you
why I said brilliant just then, which born it was
just completely out of step with what he was saying.
It's because Esther just text me and I was reading
it while listening to Jamie and Esther. The text says, Heather,
I'm sorry, I'm having a challenging day. I really do

(01:18:56):
enjoy listening to you, and you've done exceptionally well in
your career of family at all.

Speaker 1 (01:19:01):
That's nice.

Speaker 2 (01:19:01):
I thought, what is Esther apologizing for? So I clicked
on it and Esther said, twenty five minutes ago, please
no more humans with your genetics. So thank you, Esther.

Speaker 5 (01:19:14):
I do.

Speaker 2 (01:19:16):
I appreciate your apology and don't worry. But I didn't
even see that text. Now I did, and that's why
I was saying all brilliant, because like, oh, brilliant, that's
what she said six twenty two.

Speaker 1 (01:19:26):
Whether it's a macro micro or just playing economics, it's
all on the Business Hour with Heather Duplicy, Allen and
Mass for Insurance Convestments and Kuye Safer.

Speaker 3 (01:19:37):
You're in good hands.

Speaker 2 (01:19:38):
Use TALKSV listen, just just an update on the BSA. Thing.
Sounds to me like Paul Goldsmiths is potentially going to
make a bit of a whoopsie here. He has hinted
in an interview that online radio and the entire Internet
should be subject to the BSA. This is appropo the
business with the BSA just deciding that they're the police
of the Internet. So they could have a crack at

(01:19:59):
Sean last week. So in the interview he said, quote,
it's not obvious to me why one group of people
who are broadcasting in a very similar way that's the platform,
should be subject to the BSA and another group shouldn't be.
For example, radio in New Zealand or News Talk ZB.
He said, what we're talking about is a very small
number of programs such as Herald Now for example. It's

(01:20:21):
not obvious to me why Herald Now a breakfast show
shouldn't be covered, but breakfast TV should be covered, to
which I would say no, thanks very much, Paul. I
feel like Paul needs to call me, Paul, call me,
give me, call give me echol if we're going to
talk about it, because if what Paul is trying to
do here is get fairness for all, Like everybody should

(01:20:41):
be treated fairly. One group's not subject to the BSA,
everybody else is. Then how about we get fairness for
all by just taking everybody away from the BSA. Because
the BSA are just a giant pain in the arse
that don't do their job anymore. Right, no one takes
them seriously. I'm sorry if this is news to the BSA.
Nobody takes them seriously. Back in the day, it was
set up because there was a massive power and balance,
right because you know, the radio could say all the

(01:21:03):
stuff about you and you could do nothing about it.
But now it doesn't exist. It's not the case in
twenty twenty five. If you don't like what the radio
people are saying about you go on Twitter or Facebook
or whatever, start a blog, have a crack. People do
it all the time. The power and balance isn't that
big a deal anymore anyway. So also, by the way,
Chris Bishop was kind of clear to me yesterday that
giving the BSA more power is not the intention of

(01:21:24):
the government policy. So gold Ish, you give me a call,
we can have a chat about this, so you can
just understand how people feel about it. No, to the
BSA defund the BSA six twenty seven.

Speaker 3 (01:21:34):
There's no business like show business.

Speaker 2 (01:21:41):
AI is inching ever closer to taking our jobs. When
I say that, I'm talking about my job. So the
first artificially generated television presenter has been launched in the UK.
The TV station Channel four ran an episode of a
documentary series called Dispatch, and this episode was all about
AI replacement in the office.

Speaker 29 (01:21:58):
AI is going to touch everybody lied in the next
few years, and for some it will take their chance.

Speaker 2 (01:22:04):
The special was hosted by the lovely Aisher Gabon. The
only problem is Eisher doesn't actually exist.

Speaker 29 (01:22:10):
In a British TV First, I'm actually an AI presenter.
I wasn't on location reporting this story. My image and
voice were generated using AI.

Speaker 2 (01:22:23):
Now, if she wasn't talking about how she didn't exist,
would you have actually guessed that she wasn't real because
she did a pretty credible job, didn't she. The program
didn't reveal the fake host until the very end, which
left viewers shocked. The head of the channel, Louisa Compton,
said they wouldn't be making a habit out of having
AI presenters on the channel, but instead she did say
the stunt served as a reminder of just how disruptive

(01:22:43):
AI could be when we have no way of verifying
what's real and what isn't. Which is going to be
the creepy thing, isn't it when you see a video
of your dad doing something strange or your mum's saying
something weird, be like, is that really my dad or
my mum? Or is it AI? And one day I'm
not sure you're going to tell the difference. News is next,
and then Patrick Smelley on the Labor Party policy.

Speaker 3 (01:23:03):
Flop, everything from SMEs to the big corporates.

Speaker 1 (01:23:16):
The Business Hour with Heather Duplicy, Ellen and Mass for
insurance investments and huiye Saber, you're in good hands.

Speaker 3 (01:23:24):
News talks'd be.

Speaker 2 (01:23:31):
Like Ed Brady's going to be this out of the
UK and ten minutes time absolutely going to ask him
about the development that the police over there are going
to stop the hate crime basically stop policing people's social media.
Thank god here that over the years Paul Goldsmith has
said some very strange things. He can be a bit weird. Debs,
I can't disagree with you on that. This is true.
Twenty four away from seven now it's fair to say

(01:23:53):
Labour's first new policy in years has not been a
total success. It's been met with widespread criticism for being
short on details and just a bit of a rubbish idea.
Patrick Smalley wrote a particularly blunt opinion piece for Business
Deskinies with us hallo, Patrick, Okay, how do you market
out of ten.

Speaker 20 (01:24:11):
Or about a three's?

Speaker 5 (01:24:14):
I mean, you know, I.

Speaker 20 (01:24:17):
Think the idea is not necessarily well, some of the
idea a bad idea, you know, ring fencing in an
independent agency or fund an infrastructure and or maybe a
startup fund which politicians can't get their hands on and
change their minds about it all the time. That's fine,

(01:24:38):
but this is a very small fund. So talk about
two hundred million dollars to kick it off. And I mean,
we don't know exactly which cash generating state owned enterprises
would be kicking funds into the thing, but it's hard
to imagine that we have more than seven hundred million
dollars a year to spend. And that's just a drop

(01:24:58):
in the bucket for the things that were need to
spend on infrastructure, and it's it seems like it's more
a kind of virtue signaling things saying we'll never let
government assets be sold, which you know reasonable people will
argue about. But it seems to be there are some
things that the government needs to build and spend money
on infrastructure in there, and it could do that if

(01:25:19):
it freed up some funds for some things that doesn't
actually need to own base. So it's more about the
privatization data than anything else.

Speaker 2 (01:25:26):
Well quite right, So is this actually about a policy
idea or is this actually more about politics, about setting
themselves up to be able to fight national on the
potential capital potential asset sales that may happen at the
next election, and also finding some common ground with New
Zealand First for a potential coalition. Is that really what
it's about?

Speaker 20 (01:25:45):
In some ways, I think it's actually more about the latter.
I mean, I could be obviously one hundred percent wrong,
but the one thing that strikes me about the upcoming
election next year is it, just like every other election
in recent times, the only party that could already shift
to left or right as New Zealand First. They say
they would work with Cruscipikens, but I suspect they would work,

(01:26:06):
but they worked with Labor before. If the circumstances arose
where Labor looked like a good former government, but it
had a choice between the party Molding and New Zealand First.
It's not that difficult to imagine circumstances with both Labor
and New Zealand First would think that wasn't a bad
outcome to get back together. New Zealand First could claimed

(01:26:26):
to be sensible, and Labor could say, with lots of
things we agree about, including having a crack at the
generated betailers and doing this kind of sovereign fund idea.
But remember Peter's idea for a sovereign funds one hundred
billion dollars, whereas this thing starts with two hundred million.
It's chalk and cheese.

Speaker 2 (01:26:46):
Now do we not tell me if I'm wrong here?
But do we not already have a fund that does
basically what this fund is supposed to do, which is
invest in New Zealand businesses. And isn't that fund the
New Zealand Growth Capital Partner's Fund.

Speaker 20 (01:26:58):
Well, I suppose that's where I think fund. The whole
thing A little bit confused, I is it an infrastructure
fund or is it a a Is it an early
stage good ideas? New Zealand Business Investing Fund. It's it's
both according to the material that labored arrest yesterday. And
what concerns me about that is it that says to
me that they haven't really bought their own way through

(01:27:19):
what it's for very well. Yes, And the other thing is.

Speaker 5 (01:27:23):
I guess you're right. There are lots of pots.

Speaker 20 (01:27:26):
Of dough of about that sort of two hundred million
dollar size already available and doing either good or mediocre work,
depending on how well they manage.

Speaker 2 (01:27:36):
Now, Patrick, tell me, do you think that they will
be genuinely surprised at how badly this has landed.

Speaker 20 (01:27:43):
I'm not sure that it has landed as badly as
the commentariat people like me have had to crack at it.
But I see a lot of you know, a lot
of labor people like the sound of it. It sounds
good about right, and if you don't think too hard

(01:28:03):
about the fact that it's sort of the difference between
ten cents and one hundred dollars in terms of the scale
of the thing, then you know, it can sound like
a good idea. But it's just it just does to me.
It's not credible. I've looked at too many policies like
this being announced before elections over god knows how many
years now, and it's a it's a tiddler of a policy.

Speaker 2 (01:28:27):
Yeah. Patrick, it's always good to talk to you. Thank
you so much for your time. That's Patrick Smelly, the
founding editor of Business Desk, nineteen away from seven. I
have a clarification I need to issue. The Boss did
not meet Ryan Adams when he was in Las Vegas.
He met Brian Adams, which is my point. Wasn't that
my point the whole time yesterday. Don't come out with

(01:28:50):
the like rhyming name with somebody who's already famous before
you come out with the same name, because I'm going
to get confused. I genuinely thought yesterday when I was
telling you he'd met Ryan Adams, that he met Ryan Adams.
Now he tells us I said to him today, Oh,
I was talking about you're meeting Ryan Adams. He was like, mate,
I met Brian Adams either. Oh no, there we go,

(01:29:10):
like Hosking strikes again.

Speaker 11 (01:29:12):
Now.

Speaker 2 (01:29:12):
I don't know if you've caught up on this, but
if you're committing the fashion crime still like me of
going to the gym and black leggings, it is now
officially a fashion crime. According to the gen zs, they
think that black leggings are really boring and it's a
telltale sign of someone's age, which is basically, you're a
millennial and up, and that you should instead be wearing

(01:29:34):
baggy pants and tiny little skirts to the gym and
everything should be in pastel colors. And they're not alone,
by the way. In July, the trade publication The Business
of Fashion declared the rain of the leggings is over
and said millennials helped crown leggings as the ultimate do
everything uniform. Gen Z is shifting the silhouette entirely, gravitating
towards oversized, slouchier work clothes. Now, I'm telling you this

(01:29:58):
because I want to give you the advice, Like, bear
in mind, I am a millennial. Okay, so I hate
gen Z and all their stupid ideas like jeez, you
didn't invent the world, get over yourself. But I'm telling
you this so that I can tell you to just
ignore them, because I don't know if you've tried to
do a sprint cycle class in baggy pants, but good

(01:30:18):
luck to you doing that, mate. I'm looking forward to
you tying yourself up in all kinds of bits of equipment. Also,
I'm really looking forward to you getting off the cycle
in your pastel colored pants and then seeing the gigantic
sweat mark that is encompassing your entire butt crack, because
that is what's gonna happen to you if you're wearing
pastel blue pants when you're getting off the bike. That's

(01:30:40):
why we wear black pants. No one can see the
sweat mark anyway. I also think this is going nowhere
because in the past, the previous attempts by gen Z
to change everything up haven't actually worked. They killed the
skinny jeans. Guess what's making a comeback. Yeah, skinny jeans,
I know, shockingly, I don't want to wear them, but
they are also gen Z told us the song part

(01:31:00):
was over and you had to you had to part
down the middle like an absolute nerd. Guess what heaps
people are still parting on the side. So whatever, don't
go for the pastel pants. You're gonna regret it. Sixteen
away from seven.

Speaker 3 (01:31:12):
If it's to do.

Speaker 1 (01:31:13):
With money, it matters to you. The Business hour with
Header do for c Ellen and Maz for insurance investments
and Huey Saber and you're in good hands News Talk
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Speaker 2 (01:31:24):
Hither the gen zs don't know how to work hard
out enough to get sweaty butt cracks. That's probably true.
Thirteen away from seven Indo Brady UK correspondence with a
sollow Ender.

Speaker 6 (01:31:34):
Hey, Hen, how are you Ininda?

Speaker 2 (01:31:36):
Listen you you're the ultimate guy to talk to about this.
Have you got on board with this nonsense that the
gen z is a pedaling that we've got to get
out of black pants and start wearing pastels.

Speaker 7 (01:31:46):
Oh?

Speaker 2 (01:31:46):
Do you know what?

Speaker 19 (01:31:47):
I'll tell you a little story. Last weekend I did
a marathon in Germany and there was a girl who
you would describe as gen Z. And I saw a
stop with about five kilometers to go, and in my
head I was sole programmed to a modern young people,
they're hopeless. So she walked about ten meters, she gave
me a real look of determination, She overtook me, and
she beat me. So I think we need to stop.

Speaker 5 (01:32:09):
You know.

Speaker 19 (01:32:09):
I had a lovely conversation with her afterwards, and I
just say, you can fly to the moon anything you
want to do. You've got your first marathon under your belt.
I think we need to get off their backs and
give them a chance.

Speaker 2 (01:32:20):
Oh excuse me? What color were her pens? Though they
were pastoral? Actually yeah, I could you see her sweety
back crack as a result.

Speaker 19 (01:32:29):
I wasn't looking, Heather, I'm not Prince Andrew.

Speaker 2 (01:32:32):
Come on, Speaking of which, what's the lightest with him?

Speaker 19 (01:32:38):
So the papers today, never mind the book that's out,
God rest her Virginia guphrase book published today that will
be very damaging. Of course, the papers today have got
hold of his rental agreement, the least on Royal Lodge,
and this is very interesting. I wonder who could possibly
have provided that document to the Times newspaper today. He's
not paid rent since two thousand and three, unbelievable, twenty

(01:33:02):
two years. Rem mansion with forty hectares of land, the
country in a cost of living crisis. Andrew has not
paid rent for twenty two years. So I think what
we're seeing now is the dismantling of his life by
his family, not his ex wife and children. I think

(01:33:22):
William is driving all of this because he doesn't want
to have to deal with the mess when he becomes king.
So that is the big front page story today. Wow
and elsewhere. Crossbench support for the title of Prince being
removed with a parliamentary act that will happen.

Speaker 2 (01:33:39):
I reckon, do you reckon? I mean zet is like
that's nuclear right. I mean, because everybody had talked about sure,
take away the Duke of York, take away various other things.
Taking away prince is quite a big step. You think
they'll go that far.

Speaker 19 (01:33:53):
There's cross party support, they're all saying, and it's been
started by Rachel Maskell, a Labor backbencher, and it is
gaining traction. There is an Act of Parliament that was
passed apparently in nineteen seventeen at the request of King
George the Fifth, that the child of Annie Monarch would
be known as prince and if they can pass an act,
they can remove an act. So I think Starmar is

(01:34:16):
very reluctant to get involved. The word from Downing Street
is that this is an issue for the Palace, but
the Palace can't act without Parliament. But make no mistake,
this is not Charles driving all of this.

Speaker 2 (01:34:27):
This is with youam okay. So this rises a constitutional question.
Then if you have got the monarch, if you have
got Parliament doing something that the King doesn't necessarily want
to have heppen. What does that say about the monarchy.

Speaker 19 (01:34:40):
I think there are serious questions about the future of
the monarchy, all courtesy of Andrews's behavior. There are very
good people in the royal family. Princess Anne is a workaholic,
non stop. She will turn up anywhere she works, She smiles,
she gets on with it, and yet everything Charles went
to the synagogue in Manchester yesterday to spend time at
the Jewish community after that awful attack two weeks ago

(01:35:04):
and Charles's work, I think he must be immensely frustrated,
you know, going through cancer treatment, heading up to Manchester,
spending time with people who are breathing, friends and members
of their congregation who were stabbed to death last two
weeks ago. For all of this, anything Charles does at
the moment, I can guarantee you pictures of his brother
and young girls will be on the front pages.

Speaker 2 (01:35:27):
Yeah, okay, now listen. I think this is quite big
news that the UK police are dropping all non crime
hate investigations.

Speaker 3 (01:35:33):
Do you.

Speaker 6 (01:35:34):
I do.

Speaker 19 (01:35:35):
But it's no surprise because it wasn't a crime. The
police have come out and said that they are not
going to police things that are not crimes. Anymore. Yes,
it may well have involved the word hate in inverted commas.
So a non crime hate incident. It is not a crime,
but it is something that is motivated by hate towards
someone because of gender or other characteristics. The police have

(01:35:57):
come out and I think again in mense frustration at
the highest level in the police that they were being
told to go and investigate this and Grahame Linhan for
people who haven't followed it, this guy created very big
hit comedies like Father Ted the It Crowd. He lives
in Arizona and he was flying into Heathrow on business.
Five armed police officers took him off a plane. I mean,

(01:36:19):
if my house got burgled last night, I'd get a
crime reference number and I would not see an officer
today or next week at five arm cops that he
throwed dragging him off a plane to explain a tweet,
which probably the biggest defense about the tweet was it
was not that funny for a comedian.

Speaker 2 (01:36:34):
Yeah, yeah, fair point. And it always good to talk
to you, mate, Thanks so much for your intel. The
Indo Brady UK correspondent Iaway from.

Speaker 1 (01:36:41):
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Speaker 2 (01:36:50):
Tally tad. Did that make you feel like you were
at at home? Beti? She said, terrible pronunciation. She did
not like that at all.

Speaker 9 (01:36:57):
Apologized to everyone outside of Aorkland who didn't heard that.

Speaker 2 (01:37:00):
Heather is so thank god you're telling everybody. So it
was an Auckland ad that just played, and she said,
cule it tat. That is German for quality. And Laura said,
that is not German for quality. That's an English person
trying to be German for quality.

Speaker 9 (01:37:13):
Oh, I mixed. They'll be telling us your players and
French for yogurt. It's a no, it isn't.

Speaker 2 (01:37:18):
Oh no, anyway, listen, just a little update. I just
got a note from the Public Service Commission. It's not
one hundred and ninety dollars that were spent on those
Facebook ads, because you know how the Public Service Association
the union was like, no, it's the way, it's the
taxpayers money. And I said, oh, it's just one hundred
and ninety dollars. They said, no, it's not. Actually it's
not one hundred ninety dollars either. It's two hundred and

(01:37:39):
forty eight dollars forty three cents, so I'm okay with that.
And also their argument, by the way, is that the
purpose of the ads is to provide public information about
disruption to services and what is being done to prevent
further disruption. So the content complies, they say, with relevant
government advertising and political neutrality guidelines, and I would say,
to the letter of the law, they will be absolutely

(01:38:00):
doing the right thing. It just feels political to the
Union because the Union is political, so anything that opposes
the Union is therefore political. Hey, just really quickly. I
shouldn't enjoy this, but I did. The White House Press
Secretary Caroline Levitt is copying it from some quarters because
she gave a smart ass response to a journal on
text messages. The journo is from the Huffington Post, and

(01:38:22):
he texted her to ask why Trump had chosen Budapest
for his upcoming meeting with Vladimir Putin. He said, is
the president aware of the significance of Budapest? Question mark?
Does he not see why Ukraine might object to that site?
Question mark? Question mark? Who suggested Budapest? Question mark? And
she responded, your mom did then? And he's not happy?
He said, He said something like do you find that funny? Well, incidentally, yes,

(01:38:47):
I do. I do find that funny. Do you find
that funny?

Speaker 15 (01:38:50):
Answer?

Speaker 9 (01:38:50):
I do. It is still dodging a question, though, isn't it.
So I think she kind of answered the question there
and that we do know who was who suggested it now.
But if you're going to dodge question, and I feel
like you can at least be funny while you do.

Speaker 2 (01:39:02):
And there is a history. He's a troll to her,
so she's had a guts full of him. Basically bove
the sounds. I thinks. Anyway, what have you got it?

Speaker 9 (01:39:08):
Back in My Arms by Hory Shorter players out to Night.
You said earlier you hadn't heard of some of the
people who were playing on the Sweet Home Altauto Festival
that's Sexty's putting on. So I was like, oh, here
we go, we can educate everybody. Back in My Arms
by Hoory Shaw. He's from a Portuguy. He's like a
reggae artist, so more on the root side of things
than the country side of things. The festival will be
happening in Matta, Khana on Saturday, January the third next year.

(01:39:29):
Tickets go on sale next Tuesday as well. As him Horri.
There will be six sixty yellow Wolf, Tash Sultana, Tammy
Nielsen play at Bradcock South Summit and a few others.

Speaker 2 (01:39:38):
I mean it's going to be a good time.

Speaker 16 (01:39:39):
Maye.

Speaker 9 (01:39:40):
Oh, I'm just so happy that were announcing. Get another festival.
I know you get another event over the summer. There's
loads going on, something for you.

Speaker 2 (01:39:45):
Whatever.

Speaker 9 (01:39:45):
It is great.

Speaker 2 (01:39:46):
If there is a man with like those giant glasses
and a fake nose, it's Mike.

Speaker 9 (01:39:51):
Yeah, absolutely, yeah, that's Mike. Lookout for him for you.

Speaker 2 (01:39:53):
He's like, Oh, it's a country festival in my home place. Anyway,
I will see you tomorrow. Enjoy your evening, look after yourself.

Speaker 10 (01:40:01):
Nother This gets is so far.

Speaker 30 (01:40:04):
Oh, keep selling it to you. Tube back in my eyes.
I'll be sealing to like you. Tube backon my ear.

Speaker 1 (01:40:18):
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