Full Show Podcast: 29 October 2025

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Speaker 1 (00:01):
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Speaker 2 (00:17):
Afternoon. Welcome to the show coming up today. History teachers
are not happy with the curriculum changes. Bill Gates has
really ruffled feathers with his climate comments and a tax
expert on where the labour's CGT will really bring in
as much as they say it will.

Speaker 3 (00:31):
Heather duplicy Ellen.

Speaker 2 (00:32):
When you think about it, it's actually remarkable, isn't it
how much Erica Stanford has managed to do an education
without much resistance from teachers. Well, it looks like that
dream run is now well and truly over. The teachers
are letting it be known that they are not happy
about the curriculum that was released overnight. The history teachers
are grumpy that some local history has been replaced with
some international history and that they're going to have to

(00:53):
teach World War II before they teach World War One.
The pe teachers are not happy because there's too much
physical activity in Pe. The art's teachers are apparently not
happy because there's not enough Indigenous art, something that they
apparently winged about before their curriculum was even up online
and they could see that apparently there is enough Indigenous art.
A lot of them are unhappy because they're going to

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have to start teaching some of this new stuff from
the start of next year, or the year thereafter, or
the year thereafter. Now, what I would say to the
teachers is tread carefully with the stuff. A parents are
not happy with what's been going on in our education
system and how far behind the rest of the world
our young people are falling, which is why Erica Stanford's

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changes to the education system thus far have been widely
celebrated and she has become something of a hero politician,
at least for now. What teachers whinging about time frames
and content might like to consider before they winge about
time frames and content is that, yes, they might not
want to have to teach the new stuff from next February,
but that's someone's child starting that class from next February,

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and they want their child to get the best possible chance,
which may include a change in the content. And clearly
the previous content wasn't getting our kids properly educated, so
clearly we needed to change the content now. Teachers, of course,
are more than entitled to criticize fairly where it's due
mounting a good argument. They are the experts after all.
But anything that sounds like running a union line of

(02:19):
resisting a National Party minister simply because she's a National
Party minister probably isn't going to go down particularly well
with a lot of parents.

Speaker 3 (02:28):
Forgever do for see Ellen.

Speaker 4 (02:33):
Two nine.

Speaker 2 (02:34):
Who's the text number? Standard text fees apply? One of
the history teachers is with us after five o'clock. Now
I have got some good news for you if you're
a motorist. One of your more annoying annual tasks, and
let's be honest, expensive annual tasks may now only happen
every two years. The government is opening consultation on whether
to extend the warrant of fitness for light vehicles to
two years instead of the one that we do at

(02:54):
the moment. New vehicles may not even need a waft
until they're four years old. Chris Bishop is the Transport
Minister behind this and is with us High Bish today.
Is this safe?

Speaker 4 (03:05):
Yes? It is.

Speaker 5 (03:06):
We make in New Zealand, we make people get their
vehicles checked more than almost any other country in the
Western world. So I'm just looking at a table in
front of me.

Speaker 4 (03:15):
Mostly it's two years.

Speaker 5 (03:16):
So you look at Japan, we make people do it
every two years, Germany, Norway, Denmark, Sweden is the same
island as the same some places you don't even have
to have a regular inspection at all. The reality is
cars are safer than they've ever been, you know, its
technology has advanced, and so this is about making sure
you can reduce the cost of living for people but

(03:38):
also keep people safe from the road.

Speaker 2 (03:39):
Their fleets as old as ours.

Speaker 5 (03:42):
So our vehicle fleet is older than other places, and
that's why we're consulting on getting the balance right. So
what we're proposing is that for new vehicles, you would
your first WAFT would be valid for four years, and
then for vehicles that are between four and ten years old,
you'd get a WAFT every two years, and then if
you've got a vehicle over ten years old, you'd still
need a WAFF every year. So I think I think

(04:03):
that strikes about the right balance.

Speaker 2 (04:04):
What was it before? It wasn't that long ago that
it was every six months, wasn't it?

Speaker 4 (04:08):
Yeah, it was six months.

Speaker 5 (04:09):
I'd have to go back and check exactly when that changed.
From memory, it was back maybe about ten years ago.
I think from memory.

Speaker 2 (04:15):
It's just recently from that, wasn't it.

Speaker 5 (04:18):
Well you could be right hither, but certainly I remember
doing it put it that way.

Speaker 2 (04:22):
So yes, jeez, I mean, if we go, if we
go to four years, it really does make this every
six months look like wildly excessive, doesn't it.

Speaker 5 (04:30):
Well be fell be four years for your first waft
and then two years after that.

Speaker 4 (04:35):
But I mean it's super annoying.

Speaker 5 (04:36):
Right, You've got to get fifty to seventy five dollars,
you've got to find the time, and I'd always seem
to come around at the wrong time. My wife's always
you know, sort of January two, nothing's open. You've got
to go out and get your wife, you know, And
then it's annoying.

Speaker 2 (04:48):
I mean, didn't you that's your life decision that made
it January two?

Speaker 4 (04:54):
Yeah, I know.

Speaker 5 (04:54):
But once you're in the once you're on the cycle,
you know, like that's when it is right, Like it's
because every twelve months, like by the poinition, so every
January three order it is, So you know, I think that.

Speaker 4 (05:05):
This is about getting the balance right.

Speaker 5 (05:06):
We have one of the most frequent inspection systems in
the IECD, and you know, the vehicle technologies advanced and
make map.

Speaker 2 (05:13):
If you decide to go for it. How quickly are
we doing this?

Speaker 5 (05:17):
So the submissions are open now and they'll close on Wednesday,
since seventeen December, and then we'd hope to make decisions
early in twenty twenty six in London and soon after that,
so it early to midnext year.

Speaker 2 (05:28):
It's a good life change ahead of the election. Listen,
have you seen this stuff about the Wellington City councilor
complaining because NZTA isn't telling Wellington City Council what they're
doing with the Mount VC Tunnel.

Speaker 4 (05:38):
Oh god, crimea river.

Speaker 5 (05:39):
I mean seriously, it's a state highway. Like State Highway
one goes through the middle of Wellington. Mount Victoria and
the Terrace are part of State Highway one. Forty thousand
vehicle movements each and every day through the eastern suburbs,
through the airport and all the rest of it. We're
consulting with the council obviously, but it's a state highway,
so you know, just well into the city Council needs
to get over themselves.

Speaker 2 (06:00):
Can I just ask you something, just as a senior
minister did yesterday after the capital gains tax thing came out,
did twenty twenty six feel just so much more winnable
to you? Guys?

Speaker 5 (06:10):
I've got to say it was quite good to you know,
have a bit of a fight, frankly, you know, I mean,
Labor has been running this line for two years that
you know, if only we could just kind of go
back to the future, and you know, just everything would
be better if they were back in charge without any policy.

Speaker 4 (06:25):
And you know, that's an easy line to run. You know,
I've been there, done that. You criticize it.

Speaker 5 (06:29):
Criticism is easy, right, but actually governing is about policies
and having a substantive thing to do, and say, the
reality is they haven't had anything because they've got no
brand new ideas. And then here we go and you know,
we're about a year out from the election and it
turns out they have some ideas.

Speaker 4 (06:43):
And it's just more of the same from what we
had before.

Speaker 5 (06:45):
More tax, more spend, more debt, dumb ideas that were
rejected in the past and got some into this mess
in the first place. It's been quite good to throw
a few punches.

Speaker 2 (06:53):
Mind the leaks, but thanks very much appreciate it, Chris Bishop,
Transport Ministers and if you haven't caught up with a
thing with Wellington City Council, what's happened is that n
ZTA has had well has made a couple of the
Wellington City Council staff as signed non disclosure agreements before
they told them anything about the Martin Vick changes. And
it's Geordie Geordie who is one of is it Jeordie

(07:13):
Rodgers who isn't he the guy from Renters United? Is
he a counselor? Now? Oh that says it all, isn't it. Yeah? Yeah,
Jeordie Geordie who's from Brinter's United, is now a Wellington
City councilor having a winge about that? Anyway, That's all
you need to know about that. M ZTA go for it,
do it? They need this thing changed. Listen, quick question

(07:37):
for you about what's going on with Prince Andrew. Has
anybody stopped to think and ask themselves this question? Why
is Buckingham Palace even trying to find a new house
for Fergie? Because the latest thing is Fergie doesn't want
to live in Frockmore Cottage with Andrew because it's I
wouldn't want to either. Rai's a creep and it's a
small place, so you're going to bump into him the
whole time. So she wants to live in Adelaide Cottage,

(07:59):
which is the one that that Wills and Kate moving
out of. And they were like, no, Adelaide College is
not on the table. You're not going to get that one.
But they are quote reportedly in discussions to find a
new home for Sarah Ferguson as negotiations continue over Prince
Andrew's residency at Royal Lodge. Why are they even doing this?
She's not one of them. She divorced them donkeys years
ago and then there was the toe sucking and all

(08:19):
the other weird stuff that's happened since then. At that point,
don't you just go you know what, Fergie, you've bludged
on us for ages. You're on your own. You're a muggle,
now go find your own lodgings. I just don't understand
these people. Quarter passed.

Speaker 3 (08:33):
It's the Heather Duper.

Speaker 1 (08:34):
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Speaker 2 (08:39):
Be Heather, Fergie knows all the dirt. Keep your friends close,
but keep your enemies close. A great show with Pam.
Thank you, you're you're actually right. That's what it'll be.
It'll be you stay quiet, Fergie and don't sell your
stories in a book, and then we'll give you somewhere
to live. By the way, Chris Bishop was right. Changes reaver.
It's twenty thirteen. Changes were made in twenty thirteen. So
how long ago it was that we were still getting

(09:00):
the old six month check eighteen past four.

Speaker 1 (09:02):
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eighteen bet responsibly.

Speaker 6 (09:09):
I'm very disappointed you haven't got a cricket on here.
You got ice hockey in some parliamentarians from.

Speaker 7 (09:13):
Australias autograss, Oh my lord, come.

Speaker 6 (09:16):
Back, thanks, thanks having me, fantastic marvilous.

Speaker 2 (09:21):
You're crossing your knees.

Speaker 7 (09:22):
Yeah, no, no, it's all good.

Speaker 2 (09:23):
Which one did they cast? It was the left one,
the one that you've got at the top, right next
to the I'm worried that you're going to hit the
disc with it.

Speaker 6 (09:29):
I've got to show and tell. I can show you
the ten and I've got the plastic bag outside. What's
in the all into the studio and shook it for
the boys in the afternoon.

Speaker 2 (09:38):
What's in it?

Speaker 6 (09:39):
Eight bolts and a piece of titanium was holding a
leg together for twenty years. The same guy who put
it in and took it out, Bruce Twater, you're a star,
Thank you so much.

Speaker 2 (09:47):
USSI did they did they give it a clean?

Speaker 3 (09:49):
Like?

Speaker 2 (09:49):
Did they clean all the flesh off?

Speaker 6 (09:51):
There's bone still on it. There's no flesh on it,
but this bone has actually grown on the titanium.

Speaker 7 (09:56):
No, it's really cool.

Speaker 2 (09:57):
They must have cleaned the flesh offing because that would just.

Speaker 7 (10:00):
Like that, it doesn't stink.

Speaker 6 (10:01):
So because I need to put it on the chain
and wear it in my neck. You know those lot
long pieces of punami that people wear that kind of
look cool.

Speaker 8 (10:07):
We are.

Speaker 7 (10:07):
I can't buy one for myself. It's got to be
gifted to you.

Speaker 3 (10:10):
Right.

Speaker 6 (10:10):
So it's so pleased to be back and doing something
and things that things are working well.

Speaker 2 (10:19):
Constellation Cup decided tonight.

Speaker 7 (10:21):
Yeah, no it is.

Speaker 6 (10:22):
And the interesting thing around this, because this story hasn't
ended with Netborn, New Zealand, as much as they would
like to say, oh, it's all tied up.

Speaker 7 (10:30):
Now there's a pretty little bow on it.

Speaker 6 (10:31):
Dame no Lean's coming back at the end of the year.

Speaker 7 (10:33):
There's so much more to come. There has to be.

Speaker 6 (10:36):
Surely we're not going to sit there and go, oh,
it's okay, you just overseen and absolutely.

Speaker 2 (10:40):
Can I give you my fir please? Do I have not?

Speaker 4 (10:43):
Do you know what?

Speaker 2 (10:44):
I've been sitting on this conspiracy theory all of last
week and it's only until you've come back that it's
coming out.

Speaker 6 (10:48):
Okay, I bring out the best and you don't I
hear that you do.

Speaker 2 (10:51):
I don't think Dame Knowles ever coaches the silver Ferns again.
I reckon that she has been brought back to clear
her name, and she will be given on a job offer,
and she will just go somewhere else, to a happier
pasture where she will be here.

Speaker 6 (11:05):
You're not the first person that said that to me recently.

Speaker 7 (11:08):
Is the same Drew who sit.

Speaker 6 (11:09):
There and go well, after six weeks of deep thought
and talking to my family, I've decided to and we
won't see her again. How on earth could you go
back into that viper's nest? If she doesn't go back
into that or she does what about the vipru's nest itself.
Is anybody gonna stand there and go, actually, we really
mess this up and this is what happened and fall

(11:31):
on their sword? Is that likely to happen? Can you
see these people working together in the fact that the
players want it back. You saw what happened when it
was announced. Woh, they suddenly started thrashing the Australians and
hopefully that finishes tonight.

Speaker 4 (11:44):
But that's the other story.

Speaker 6 (11:45):
What we're gonna look at tonight is win the game
and when in the seven minutes of extra time and
in the extra seven minutes of extra time, and then
beyond that as well, because I think it's all tied up,
they've got to somehow have a winner, right, So this
is what they're going to do.

Speaker 2 (12:01):
Oh, they just keep going seven minutes and seven minutes.

Speaker 6 (12:03):
Seven minutes and seven minutes, and then if that's all
hasn't worked, man, we've got a winner. Then they go
first team with a two goal difference wins the game.

Speaker 2 (12:12):
How long, just quickly, how long did that that baseball
game go? How many hours?

Speaker 7 (12:17):
It was eighteen innings?

Speaker 2 (12:19):
How many hours?

Speaker 9 (12:19):
I don't know how many.

Speaker 2 (12:20):
Hours it was.

Speaker 7 (12:21):
There'll be I think if we still.

Speaker 6 (12:22):
Had Matten here, had better tell you because he's an
absolute tragic round things.

Speaker 2 (12:26):
A tape of game back to back basically, but it's.

Speaker 6 (12:29):
Happened before, because about World Series Game three happened with
the Dodgers. It was an eighteen inning game right across.
But Blue Jays bounced back. They had a win today
really in game four.

Speaker 7 (12:43):
So it's all even to too the way that offers, okay,
so much more.

Speaker 6 (12:46):
And the black Cats are rolling the English right now.
It's looking pretty tragic for the English. They are getting
blown off the park by the black Cats, which is
nice to see.

Speaker 2 (12:57):
It went for six hours thirty nine minutes.

Speaker 7 (12:59):
Six hours thirty nine minutes. So that's ody introduce these
people of test crickets. See how they come exactly that
all you got.

Speaker 2 (13:07):
Thank you, Darcy. It's nice to have you back, Darcy Water.
You'll be back seven o'clock for Sports Talk four twenty three.

Speaker 1 (13:13):
Hard Questions, Strong opinion here the Dupisy Ellen Drive with
one New Zealand tand of Power of Satellite Mobile News
Talk said.

Speaker 10 (13:21):
Be.

Speaker 2 (13:23):
Here, that doesn't Fergie have the corkies. Yeah, that's a
complicating factor, isn't it Fergie's got the Cougies. I don't
know if you remember, but I think it was it
was late last year, maybe earlier this year. She said
that the Queen still talks to her, still talks to
her through the Corkies. So you know, I mean, there's that,
That's an aspect. That's the thing to consider. The Corkies
need a decent house. Listen. Just come through from Judith Collins.

(13:46):
The New Zealand Defense Force has deployed a liaison officer
to Israel to help inform the government on next possible
next steps in the Gaza peace steal. We'll work out
of a United States lead center focused on the next
steps to implementing the plan. So we'll see see what
Judith's got to say about that. For twenty six Now,
I am starting like there's a part of me that's

(14:07):
starting to feel just slightly worried about the mental health
of the climate lovies at the moment, because it's blow
after blow after blow for them, and the latest blow
is that Bill Gates has just told them all to
calm down about the doomsday predictions around climate change. He's
published an essay and then held a round table with
a bunch of journalists that he selected, he said, climate
change is not going to wipe out humanity. Calm down.

(14:28):
Good has been done to reduce emissions, yes, but too
much good money now is being put into expensive and
questionable efforts. Resources must be shifted away from the battle
against climate change and into dealing with things that are
actually more urgent problems, like famine and preventable diseases. And
he said, if he was given a choice between eradicating
malaria and maybe you know, winning on a tenth of

(14:49):
a degree increase in warming, he said, quote, I will
let the temperature go up by zero point one degree
to get rid of malaria. Now he's done this just
before COP thirty, which I think is quite a strategic
and deliberate move on his part, because COP thirty is
going to get whole bunch of people together talking about
this stuff. Obviously, when you heard me telling you what
he said, you would have go yeah, but people have

(15:10):
like this is not everybody knows. Look, we know it's
not going to wipe out humanity. It's the climate love
is actually believe it is, and hearing it from somebody
like Bill Gates who has climate change credentials, will actually
for them be quite shocking. Anyway, we'll talk to Dan
Mitchinson about that when he's with us shortly.

Speaker 1 (15:25):
News is next hot, digging deeper into the day's headlines.
It's Heather duplicy elan drive with one New Zealand coverage
like no one else News talks.

Speaker 3 (15:41):
They'd be.

Speaker 2 (15:50):
The issues with the teachers, with the teaching that Erica
needs to address is the poor training that's dished out
to training teachers these days. They arrive and we have
to train them as well. Drives us old dogs insane.
As for the curriculum changes, well that is just teacher life.
That's a teacher's attitude I can live with. Hey, remember
I was telling you, Yester about that Maori Party truck
that was repossessed and enlisted on trade me for sale.

(16:11):
Well it turns out it's actually not the Maori Party's truck.
It's got their branding all over it, but it's not their.
The truck was brought in March by a guy called
Winyard Annie a nine Annia, a nunnia a nunnia. Winyard
Annia should have pre read that, and he bought it
on a five year loan from a finance company he
then let the Maori Party use it, well, I think
he rented it to them actually, and then he died

(16:33):
in July, and that is presumably why it was repossessed,
because I'm assuming that people who die don't pay their bills.
So it wasn't, as I said yesterday, the Maori Party
not paying their bills. Nothing to do with them at all,
by the looks of things. Was this chap who's passed
away Barrios opers with us in ten minutes time, twenty
four away from five.

Speaker 1 (16:49):
It's the world wires on news talks, they'd be drive.

Speaker 4 (16:52):
So.

Speaker 2 (16:53):
Israel and Tamas have accused each other of breaking the
Gaza truce, and Israeli soldier was injured in the shootout
in the Gaza Strip and Israel laun air strikes in response.
Jodie Varnce says the Seaspire is still holding, but this
professor of international relations isn't so sure.

Speaker 11 (17:07):
Where this becomes a problem for the Trump administration is
if Natnyahou does what his right flank of his government
coalition wants to do, which is start up the war
again and start taking territory back.

Speaker 2 (17:18):
At least three people have died in Jamaica as a
result of Hurricane Melissa. Here's the local World Food Program Boss.

Speaker 8 (17:24):
We're already starting to see images come in of homes
that have been destroyed, whole communities that have been flooded,
and there's a real sense of urgency, and I think
we're really only beginning to understand the scale of this catastrophe.

Speaker 2 (17:38):
The storm was Category five when it was tearing through Jamaica.
It's now category four and it's headed for Cuba. And finally, Apes,
a potentially diseased lab monkey, is on the loose in Mississippi.
The monkey was part of a group of apes that
escaped from a truck after it crashed on an interstate highway.
The local police department has rounded up all but one

(17:59):
of the monkeys. The cops warned the public not to
approach the monkey as it may be carrying HIPSI or
COVID nineteen.

Speaker 1 (18:05):
International Correspondence with Ends and Eye Insurance Peace of Mind
for New Zealand Business.

Speaker 2 (18:11):
Jan Thekinson UIs correspondence with US.

Speaker 12 (18:13):
Hello, Dan, Hi, Heather.

Speaker 2 (18:14):
Okay, what's the latest from Hurricane Melissa.

Speaker 12 (18:18):
Well, it looks like we're gonna have to update that
death toll from a three to seven right now. They're saying,
and the winds are about one hundred and thirty miles
an hour as it's heading towards Cuban. Like you mentioned,
it was a Category five storm. It had been downgraded
to a three. It is now back up to a four.
It looks like it could make landfall in the next
few hours. And the center is about one hundred and

(18:38):
ten miles southwest of Guantanamo. I got to tell you,
we haven't seen a storm like this since I think
the eighteen hundreds that have hit Jamaica right now, and
I mean the devastation. I mean, we're going to know
more in the morning, but I'll tell you it's just
awful from the pictures that we're seeing.

Speaker 2 (18:54):
What are you saying?

Speaker 12 (18:57):
I mean powers out, buildings destroyed of flooding, landslides, trees
are down. TV reporters that are trying to do stand
ups like they always do in the center of these storms.
Are you just you can't see them because the rain
has just been so strong out there. I think they've
had something like maybe twenty inches of rain already in

(19:17):
the short period of time.

Speaker 2 (19:18):
Well, that sounds incredible. Now, how has the Bill Gates
comments gone down in your part of the world.

Speaker 12 (19:24):
Well, this is kind of interesting because you know, he's
been this big, sort of vocal proponent for reducing carbon emissions,
and he's saying, you know what, maybe we have to
turn our attention away from the battle against climate change instead.
He's saying that we need to invest in other things
like preventing disease and hunger. And you know, the Gates
Foundation has been doing that on and offer for a
number of years right now, but he said we should

(19:45):
deal with them in proportion to the suffering they cause.
And I think this caught a lot of people by
surprise because this has been something that Gates has been
pushing along with his ex wife for decades now.

Speaker 4 (19:57):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (19:57):
What's fascinating about it, though, is that this is, as
you say, somebody who has been pushing for a while
on climate change who is now saying enough is enough.
So what do you think happens.

Speaker 4 (20:07):
I don't know.

Speaker 12 (20:07):
I think that they're still going to invest in this.
I mean, this is going to be a big contrast
obviously from where he's been focusing his efforts and his
money to clean energy has been big. I think he's
going to maybe change the tone of the Gates Foundation
a little bit right now. I don't think he'll back
away completely from climate investment, but I think he's going
to probably maybe diversify would be the best way to

(20:29):
describe a lot of his resources. And it sounds like
more of his time and money too.

Speaker 2 (20:33):
It sounds like he has absolutely timed this deliberately ahead
of COP thirty.

Speaker 12 (20:36):
Right you would think, so, yeah, that's coming up what
about a week or so right now? And I think
that's going to be a topic of conversation that a
lot of countries are going to point at, especially those
who have been more for coal and oil as opposed
to wind and other natural forms of energy.

Speaker 2 (20:55):
What is the hold up with the book that's supposed
to be coming from Joe Bald Biden's old pre sick.

Speaker 12 (21:01):
Ah yes, uh, Queen Jean Pierre, And you know what,
I wish I could explain this to you better because
you're going to have to read the interview to do
it justice. Right now that has come out with the
h in the in the Times, it went viral and
nobody can actually figure out what it is that she
was actually seeing. It was kind of a word salad.

(21:22):
She was going back and forth talking about the Biden
White House and criticizing the party's lack of strategy and leadership,
and she said it was definitely a party that she
believed and she's still aligned with, but she doesn't really
doesn't like the direction that it's it's currently in right now,
which is why she decided she was going to go independent.
But I'll tell you, I mean trying to paraphrase this thing.
It's it's really like a whiplash of of answers and

(21:46):
sentences that just weren't really completed right now.

Speaker 2 (21:49):
Okay, yep, I know the type.

Speaker 6 (21:51):
Dan.

Speaker 2 (21:52):
It's good to talk to you, Thanks very much. Dan
Mitchinson now US correspondent. By the way, on the Bill
Gates stuff, we're gonna have a chat to Adrian Macon,
who's a climate change professor who will be with us
just after the half past five years and give us
his take on how devastating it is to all just
put it in context, right, It's not devastating to normal
people what Bell Gates has said, but it is devastating
to the people who tell you that this is an
existential crisis. Climate change is going to wipe out humanity.

(22:14):
How devastating is it to them probably quite so he's
with us after half past five eighteen away from.

Speaker 3 (22:19):
Five ever Dupulan.

Speaker 2 (22:21):
The Taxpayers Union has called up a bunch of GP clinics. Oh,
by the way, I need to tell you A and Z.
If you're trying to get into your A and Z
banking app and you think there's something wrong, there is
something wrong. It's not working. You can't get in. But
I'm sure that you will get in at some stages.
Everybody's having the problems, not just you. Anyway, what I'm
what I'm trying to tell you is the Taxpayers Union
has called up a bunch of GP clinics today to

(22:42):
see if the GPS can possibly handle the extra work
that's going to be coming their way when labour starts
putting a capital gains tax on us and then giving
us three free GP visits a year. The answer, of course,
as we all could say could predict, is no. So
what that is? They randomly selected fourteen GP clinics across
the country and then they called them up and they
asked them when an enrolled patient could get the next

(23:05):
available appointment. The average wait time was more than a week.
It was six point four business days, so if you're
calling on a Monday, you're getting in on the what
the Tuesday afternoon? Right, two clinics couldn't offer a single
appointment for nearly a month. They reckon. This is the
Taxpayers Union reckon. Basically, what this tells us is that
the real barrier to primary healthcare is not the price

(23:28):
of the appointment, it's just getting an appointment. Barrisoper's next
seventeen away from.

Speaker 1 (23:32):
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payments certainty.

Speaker 2 (23:38):
It's fifteen away from five. Barrisoper, Senior political correspondence with
us ALLO Barry.

Speaker 7 (23:42):
Good afternoon, Heather.

Speaker 2 (23:43):
Okay, so one day after the CGT feeling better about
it today.

Speaker 7 (23:47):
I don't know where the label will be feeling that
good about it actually, because there's been quite a lot
of criticism. But they've promoted another bill today they're bringing
in and that's the pay Transparency Bill, and that's been
brought than by Carmel Seppaloni, the women spokesperson for the party.
She says it will mandate pay gap reporting and will

(24:10):
require employers that's with businesses of more than one hundred
and fifty staff to list the pay rangers and job
adds that they put in the paper with the goal
of shining a light on disparities and accelerating progress on
equal pay. So there's another requirement on employers that will

(24:31):
be coming their way of flavor against the Treasury benches.
Chris Hopkins today said that reintroduce the fair pay agreements
and also equity bargaining. So that's all coming back, and
he said that's essentially not a bottom line. He wouldn't say,

(24:51):
but yesterday's leaked policy on the capital gains tax will
be a bottom line in coalition negotiations if they get
to that next after next year's election. So an unequivocal
Chris Sipkins made that statement today.

Speaker 13 (25:06):
This is the policy that we are campaigning on and
this is the policy that we will implement if we
form government after the next election. Because I'm not a
complete pushover like Christopher Luxan. I don't think the smaller
parties should call all of the shots. I've been very
very clear under a Labor government, I will be the
Prime Minister, Barbara Edmonds will be the Minister of Finance.
That is not up for negotiation.

Speaker 7 (25:26):
Yeah, well, the potential coalition partner, the Greens also see
a more widely scope capital gains tax and a wealth
tax is their bottom line, according to Chloe Swarbrick, which
will give us more than free doctors visits the three
free doctors visits a year.

Speaker 14 (25:45):
So what the Greens have proposed is a tax on
the wealthiest three percent in this country. We can have
free GPS, free dental care, free early childhood education. We
can look after our environment and protect our climate and
have a ninety one percent income tax cut for a
tax cut for ninety one percent of New Zealanders. A
bottom line tends to mean that that's the starting point
and we'd like to go a lot further.

Speaker 7 (26:04):
So there you go a lot of agreement in the
lead up.

Speaker 2 (26:08):
The bottom lines. It's really exactly Hey, what do you
make of Winnie pay giving LUSO and nudge?

Speaker 4 (26:13):
Well it was.

Speaker 7 (26:14):
It's interesting, isn't it, Because like I've said before that
once Winston.

Speaker 2 (26:19):
Sorry, we've got a work at We've got the final
work at. England's out for one hundred and seventy five.
They playing, I just carry on, Barry.

Speaker 7 (26:26):
Yeah, sorry, where was I hither? I was being interrupted there?
But yes, the Winston is in Scandinavia at the moment
and Chris Luckson of course he's at the East Asia
summit while he was and quite a lumpur. Yeah, and
he said that he posted it on X that they're

(26:46):
all doing that these days, aren't they really? He said
that I've just done a deal whereas words with Southeast
Asian nations that will help grow our economy here at home.
Peters who say as I said in Scandinavia. He put
at the.

Speaker 2 (27:05):
Top of that he reposted it, reposted we.

Speaker 7 (27:10):
Is and that's we did.

Speaker 2 (27:13):
He runs his own Twitter account, doesn't he he does?
Did he then did he do that after a few
whiskeys and then delete it?

Speaker 7 (27:20):
Well, no, I wouldn't say that here. He wouldn't behave like.

Speaker 2 (27:23):
That, but we obviously regretted it after doing it.

Speaker 7 (27:26):
I find it. I find the whole thing incredible that
politicians now go on social media at the drop of
a hat. I mean, you know, honestly, to even say
that it was deleted, do even say it does undermine
what Chris.

Speaker 2 (27:42):
Luxton, Peter's the Foreign Minister, has undermined the Prime Minister.
Chris Luckson on so many things already, right, so it's not.

Speaker 7 (27:49):
The boss, you know, he's the boss and anything that
has anything to do with the Foreign Office, it's Winston.
Chris Luckson should butt out. He's the Prime Minister.

Speaker 2 (27:58):
And painting has starne. Okay, what do you think of
this New Zealand Initiative idea that we increase our our
parliament here is pamily was a fifty fifty to one
hundred seventy.

Speaker 7 (28:10):
Well, you know they say it's the thirtieth anniversary of MMP.
Well it's actually not until next year. Is the thirtieth anniversary.
This is the New Zealand Initiative. And what they are
saying is that lock we've got a small parliament one
hundred and twenty MPs and we've got one hundred and
twenty three at the moment with the overhang, but they're
saying we should increase it to our one hundred and seventy. Well,

(28:32):
I looked up a number of countries and in fact
we are a very small parliament, yes, for five million people.
I mean Ireland has got several hundred MPs, they've got
two chambers. You look at Finland, the Nordic countries, they've
got over two hundred MPs for a similar sort of population.
So we are quite small, but for goodness sake, I

(28:56):
don't think we should have any more MPs than what
we've got at the moment.

Speaker 2 (28:59):
The problem that we've got is we may have actually
quite a small parliament, but we have got an enormous
local body. Actually, there are one hundred and seventy politicians
in Auckland and those are just local body politicians. So
I'm happy to do a deal an ax and we
just take to local body politicians and we can have

(29:21):
more central.

Speaker 7 (29:22):
We have to join the New Zealand Initiative, Heather and
give your views.

Speaker 2 (29:25):
It's like fifty good idea, Ok, thanks very much, appreciate it.

Speaker 15 (29:28):
Bury.

Speaker 2 (29:28):
So for senior political correspondent, that uri it's the black
caps by the way, nine away from.

Speaker 3 (29:32):
Five, the headlines and the hard questions. It's the mic
asking breakfast.

Speaker 4 (29:38):
Correct me if I'm wrong.

Speaker 1 (29:39):
Less controversial than some of your higher school decisions and
subjects in the battle you've got going there?

Speaker 3 (29:44):
Is that fair?

Speaker 10 (29:45):
No, it's not controversial at all. I mean what we
have as a knowledge direct curriculum, it's been a few
years and the making. It's carefully sequenced. It lays out
what students have to know and what they need to
be able to do, and it's consistent so that every child,
no matter where they go to school, they get access
to quality learning and it's exciting and engaging and it's
a really exciting day. Knowledge builds on knowledge builds on knowledge.

(30:05):
So we have to be teaching children knowledge so that
they can then work towards those higher order skills that
businesses and universities and everybody like.

Speaker 1 (30:12):
Back tomorrow at six am the Mike Hosking Breakfast with
Maybe's Real Estate News Talk z B.

Speaker 2 (30:18):
Heather, my medical practice is in Palmestan, North. It's impossible
to get a doctor's appointment within a month, Heather, full
week wait time for the doctor's appointments In Tomato Nui, Heather,
there's a seven week wait time for the doctor's appointments
and fielding jeez. So yeah, Taxpayers Union is about right
with that one. Five away from six listen. The woman
who's done the country's first legal magic mushroom trip has

(30:41):
spoken to the media about her experience. Her name is
Alice Brent. She was diagnosed with depression when she was
eighteen years old. It doesn't say how old she is,
but I'm judging by the photos i'd say of late
fifties round about there. So she went, and you know,
you do a bit of psychotherapy sessions beforehand. You can't
just you can't just rock up and do this. By
the way, they have to vet, they have to select you.
You have to pay like twenty thousand dollars, so it's

(31:02):
quite expensive anyway. So she did her psychotherapy sessions. Then
she went along on dosing day. And on dosing day
they put her in a comfortable chair. They put a
throw on her, you know, make it feel nice and
comfy and warm. Put she takes the pill and then
she puts on an eyemask and some headphones, and two
clinicians are with her and they guide her through the session.
She says, everything else ceased to exist. It was like

(31:23):
I was in a green, beautiful forest with dappled sunlight.
And then the music changed, which really changed the dynamic.
I felt sorrow and I felt anger. They were big emotions.
I felt them to my core. There was a lot
of crying. I think I was tripping for about five hours,
and I don't think I was expecting the sorrow. She said.
It wasn't easy to do it. She said, she wouldn't
want to do it. She really wouldn't want to have

(31:44):
to go through that. Again. That was two weeks ago now,
So now what she's doing is the psychotherapy sessions. She reckons,
this is where the hard work begins. But it was
worth it to do this, She said, I felt I
was only sticking around, like as in staying alive. She
was so depressed. She was only sticking around in life
because other people wanted her to her kids and her
husband and so on. But now I want to I

(32:06):
want to see weddings and grandkids and travel and see
the world with John O, her husband, and that incredible.
So one of these sessions, one of these trips plus
a bit of psychotherapy, completely changed things for her. About
forty people were referred to this clinic. This is the
clinic in christ Church. In christ Church, A yeah, clinics
in christ Church. Forty people were referred, They screened them,
they selected about fifteen. Only seven of them are going

(32:29):
through it. So it is very select if you get
into this thing anyway, there you go first, one down,
more to come. There is a little bit of a
u turn, it would appear from the government on the
online gambling money. I remember how there was a problem
in the community groups worried they weren't going to get
any of the money and so on. Brook van Valden's
changed her mind. She's going to ring fence four percent
and give it to them. So we're going to have
a chat to the North Wellington Football Club about that shortly.

(32:51):
But first up the history teachers who are upset about
the curriculum. News Talk ZB.

Speaker 3 (33:22):
Pressing the newsmakers to get the real story.

Speaker 1 (33:25):
It's Heather dupus Ellen Drive with one New Zealand coverage
like no one else News Talks That be.

Speaker 2 (33:33):
Good afternoon. So teachers resistance to the new school curriculum
is in full swing. The content for years zero to
ten was released overnight. One of the subjects that had
quite a few changes as history. Here's the Education Minister,
Erica Stanford, on.

Speaker 10 (33:45):
That you're now going to learn about the Stone Age
and the Romans and the Greeks and the Egyptians and
kings and queens and revolutions. It's really exciting.

Speaker 2 (33:54):
Craig Thornhill is the chair of the History Teachers Association.
High Craig, are you as excited as Erica?

Speaker 9 (34:04):
Well, it's certainly been an exciting day, get until you
see this new curriculum. Concerned is probably a better word.

Speaker 2 (34:10):
What are you concerned about?

Speaker 9 (34:14):
Well, it's all very well to say there's all this
new material there, but the key concerns that we have, well,
there's a few. So for starters, there's no conceptual framework
for this curriculum. There's lots of interesting topics and the
Minister has mentioned some of those, but they all seem

(34:35):
to be quite sort of freestanding, and there's no kind
of way for students to join the dots between those topics.
The other key concern is the sheer amount of content,
and for example, students in years zero to eight are
only going to have three hours a week to learn

(34:56):
this stuff, so I think that comes to about eighty
hours to cover everything that's in those curriculum year by year.
That's a lot.

Speaker 2 (35:05):
How many hours do they have at the moment.

Speaker 9 (35:11):
I'm not sure about at the moment, but the new
curriculum does state that six hours per week will be
shared between social sciences and science, so really, if you
divvied up, it could be three hours a week for
a social studies teacher or a teacher to teach Yes
seven and eight social sciences, and if you've looked at
the curriculum you'll see there's quite a lot there.

Speaker 2 (35:32):
Is it the case that because actors suggested that some
local history has been brought out of the curriculum in
order for some international history to be popped in? Is
that right?

Speaker 9 (35:42):
Well, and I've really have only had a few hours
to look at this today, that does seem to be
the case.

Speaker 2 (35:48):
Are you okay with that?

Speaker 9 (35:51):
Local history really gives a good framework for students to
understand history so they can place it in their local context,
which they can really, you know, easily get to grips with.
So that is concerned that local history has been removed?

Speaker 2 (36:03):
Is the problem here? I mean, is the problem here
the actual content or is it the time frame within
which you guys are having to do it?

Speaker 16 (36:13):
Oh?

Speaker 9 (36:13):
The timeframe is definitely a concern either Year nine and
ten teachers who might be history teachers and geograby teachers,
you know, they might have a good understanding of some
of this material. Primary school teachers who have done really
well to get up to speed with the artuto in
New Zealand history as curriculum in the last few years.

(36:33):
Now they're going to have to learn all of this
global history and the different geography stuff that hasn't been
included in the past. We are concerned that where's the
resourcing for this going to come. This is the draft
curriculum and it will be finalized at some point next year.
How long does that give the ministry to produce these resources.
It's a real concern that teachers are going to be

(36:54):
left hanging expected to teach this with no resourcing.

Speaker 2 (37:00):
Craig, thanks very much appreciated, Craig Thornhill History Teachers Association.

Speaker 3 (37:03):
Chair ever du for see Alan.

Speaker 2 (37:05):
The government's done a u turn on the online gambling.
It's now offering to give a share of some of
the money to the community organizations. Now, under the original plan,
community groups and sports clubs would get no money from
the online gambling regulation. Now the minister says she'll tax
the providers an extra four percent, sh'll give it to
the groups. Fraser Kirby is the president of the North
Wellington Football Club and with us high Fraser, is this good?

(37:28):
Four percent? Is what you want?

Speaker 12 (37:30):
Yeah?

Speaker 17 (37:30):
Look, it's a step in the right direction. I think
the positive is that I guess all the community groups
that raise concerns around this have been listened to, and
then the bill has been revised accordingly in this moment
in time, and that's probably all that we can really
take out of it to be fair, right at this
moment now.

Speaker 2 (37:45):
One of the concerns that you had was that you
guys were going to miss out on money. But I
can't see how you miss out on money. How does
it happen?

Speaker 17 (37:52):
If this had gone through as it was proposed, anyone
gambling online, there would have been no money coming back
into the news community.

Speaker 2 (38:00):
Do you get money from online gambling at the moment?

Speaker 3 (38:03):
No, we don't know.

Speaker 17 (38:05):
Miss out The assumption, The assumption is that people will
start to migrate from physical Pokeyes to online gambling.

Speaker 2 (38:11):
Is online gambling available to us at the moment? I
believe it is, yes, Okay, so I still don't see
how you lose out. Then, if we can already choose
between online gambling and Pokeys, and in the future we
will choose between online gambling and Pokey's, how do you
miss out in the future.

Speaker 17 (38:28):
The assumption is that people will move to online because
it's more accessible, and obviously the more people that do that,
the less people will be go out of that.

Speaker 2 (38:34):
To be like four percent is a good deal then, yeah.

Speaker 17 (38:39):
Look, I mean it's a from where it was to
where it is.

Speaker 2 (38:42):
Absolutely Yeah, nicely played, Fraser. Appreciate it. Fraser Kirby, President
North Wellington Football Club. I don't know. Listen, if somebody
out there can explain to me how online how community
groups were going to miss out, I'd really appreciate it
because it feels to me like this was just the
most epic PR campaign that just managed to get Brook
van Belden to do something. Twelve past five Heather do

(39:02):
for cells. So good play from Andrew Little. As the
Wellington mayor. He has just announced his deputy mayor, Ben McNulty,
but only for half the term, only for eighteen months.
In fact, all appointments at Wellington City Council will only
be for eighteen months. He hasn't said who will be
the deputy mayor at the eighteen month mark. He hasn't

(39:24):
said who's going to be the second deputy mayor, has
just said it might it's just eighteen months for Ben.
Somebody else gets a turn after eighteen months. Now. As
a mother of a toddler, can I just congratulate him
for the use of incentives here because what he's done
is the same thing that we all do with our
naughty children, don't we Because Wellington City Council is historically

(39:44):
famous for being very naughty lately naughtiest of all the
councils out there. And what we do is we say,
if you behave yourself for the rest of the day,
you will get a piece of chocolate in the bath.
And that's just basically what he's done. He said to
them all, if you are good for the next eighteen months,
you might get to be the next Deputy mayor. Well done,
Andrew Little five point thirteen. Heather, is it embarrassing for

(40:05):
Craig to have admitted that many of today's teachers have
no knowledge of world history and we'll have to learn
it themselves before they teach to the kids. What an
own goal. The legacy of crap curriculums over the past
forty years fair point to make. I think sixteen past
five now, this is a cool idea from Auckland City.
From this week there will be a bunch of retro
taxis cruising around giving people rides. This is an Auckland

(40:26):
giving people spontaneous rides into the CBD from nearby suburbs.
The taxi will then drop passengers at a surprise location
around town where they might even get vouchers to use
in this location while they're there. Viv Beck is the
CEO of Heart of the City, who are behind the
idea and with us. Now, hey, Viv, good after, Yeah,
good after. It's a very cool idea. Have you seen
this being rolled out somewhere else?

Speaker 18 (40:47):
No, No, we were looking for a fun way to
get people back into the habit of coming straight to
the heart.

Speaker 2 (40:54):
So the taxi, the taxi pecks. You do you just
stand there waiting for the taxi bait basically? Or can
you hail it like like you hail it like a thing?

Speaker 19 (41:04):
Yeah?

Speaker 18 (41:04):
Yeah, No, you don't need an app or anything. It's
a hail. You've put your hand up, look up the
driver and they'll stop and take you to So you.

Speaker 2 (41:12):
Could be standing on that street corner for a long
time waiting for that taxi.

Speaker 18 (41:15):
Well you could be. But it's a fun thing. It's
it's about the experience getting people back into the rhythm
of coming here. And and you know what cab drivers
are like, They've got lots of secrets. You'd love it.
They tell you all the things that they know about
the city and they take you to surprise location or
you can say where you want to go, but we're
trying to sort of yeah, you know you can. If
you really really wanted to go somewhere and protect it

(41:36):
in our area, you could.

Speaker 3 (41:37):
Yeah.

Speaker 18 (41:37):
It's it's largely it's about a.

Speaker 2 (41:39):
Surprise, Like do we have a lot of little nooks
and crannies and hidden bars and stuff like that, and.

Speaker 8 (41:44):
You be it.

Speaker 18 (41:45):
I reckon people who even think they know the place
would have a lot. There'd be a lot of surprise.

Speaker 2 (41:49):
And tell me that you've discovered lately, was it? Tell
me when you've discovered lately?

Speaker 18 (41:54):
Well, this isn't sort of a hidden one, but I
tell you what, I think, it's very exciting that Favachia
back in Debrett Hotel. Well, and I've just been reading
about the heyday of high Street. They've got their centenary
at the hotel and that's pretty exciting. Well, they were
talking about it sort of in the eighties. Really, the
sort of a lot of the article was about the eighties,

(42:16):
you know, the big here here days, but lots and
lots of fun to be had around the high Street
area and the Vatchi back in Debrett is a very
cool development, you know, a sad story through COVID, but
a very happy one and they're very very welcome. I
can now be.

Speaker 7 (42:31):
Back with us.

Speaker 2 (42:32):
How do we know what taxi work like so that
we're not just randomly hailing like a flash gangsters car.

Speaker 18 (42:38):
How do we know what we Well, they're pretty distinctive.
They're sort of a retro look. You can't miss them.
We can send you a we can send you a
little teaser to see what they're about to look like.
They'll be in select locations, but you can. We'll be
sort of tracking their stories a bit on our social media,
and we're looking for people that just want to have

(42:59):
a bit of and like experiences.

Speaker 2 (43:02):
I think it's a great idea Ofviv. Thanks very much,
Viv Beckhart of the City CEO. It's kind of cool.
It's like one of those mystery weekends in New Zealand
used to do when any New Zealand was still cool.
Here we go, here's an explanation.

Speaker 4 (43:11):
Hither.

Speaker 2 (43:11):
The issue is that the new online gambling operators with
licenses will then be able to advertise, and they'll be
able to do this legally and The assumption is that
this could potentially take revenue from Pokey's or Lotto, both
of which return profits to community groups. So the idea
basically is you can already got online gamble, but now
when the regulation kicks in, they can advertise at you
and try to get your business and steal your business

(43:32):
away from the Pokeys. Which is fair, but to which
I would say in reply, if you are dealing with
like significant amounts of money that people are pumping into
the old one arm bandits or now alternatively the online
those people have gambling addictions, right, they already knows you
don't have to advertise at them. They already know it's online.
So really, how much money is it actually going to steal?
Is the actual thing here that as life goes on,

(43:55):
we will naturally migrate away from Pokey's and onto our
phone os and doing it online because that's going to
happen anyway, And the regulation Brook van Velden's proposing is
not actually the thing that changes life. It's just the
fact that you have a phone.

Speaker 20 (44:07):
Five twenty the day's newspeakers talk to Heather first, Heather
du for see Ellen Drive with One New Zealand and
the Power of Satellite Mobile News, Stork said.

Speaker 2 (44:18):
Be England's just taken a work at the wicket of
Will Young out for a duck and zero for one.
Now no, hod on, what is it? Yes? It is okay,
so yeah, yeah, it's not great. This is not a gun.
I was like, that cannot be real. No, that is real.
It is zero for one five twenty three. If yesterday
told us anything, listen, if any If yesterday told us anything,

(44:38):
it's that National doesn't have to replace Chris Luxen as
urgently as some in the party was saying that they
had to just a couple of weeks ago, because if
Labor carries on like they did yesterday, National is probably
going to be fine for next year, aren't they. That chat,
by the way, was real. There really are seeing your
people within the party who think that Chris Luxen needs
to be replaced. And from the sounds of things, they
were starting to get pretty ang in the last few

(45:01):
weeks because of the recent polls showing Labor pulling ahead
and Luckxon getting less popular. Surely they're going to be
feeling a little better today because what we learned yesterday
is Labor looks credible until they start talking the minute
they start releasing policy at Go South yesterday, they couldn't
even get the policy out without it being leaked first.
Then they did manage to get it out and it
was the same old company your money that Labour always

(45:22):
reverts to. And then Chippy wasn't at all credible on
it when he had to start answering questions. Same with
the last week when the Doctor's policy got released before
Chippy was even ready for it. Now, this doesn't actually
solve National's problem all together. Luxon is still unpopular by
previous Prome minister standards, but I'd have to wonder does
he not look quite as bad when you see what
the alternative is now? Is it possible that Labor has

(45:44):
actually saved Luxen's skin by sending voters back to National
by just being basically predictable money grabbers and then incompetent
and competent or lord incompetent at explaining.

Speaker 3 (45:57):
It, Heather, do see that is funny?

Speaker 21 (45:59):
Ah?

Speaker 2 (46:00):
And you can't even say incompetent And your job is
to say incompetent on the raid, I can't do it.
I've completely I've got there's.

Speaker 15 (46:06):
Got to be a word for that.

Speaker 2 (46:07):
No, there's got to be a word for this thing.
It's like when you see epitome and you say epitome
or hyper bowl and you see you say you say
it like but now I've anyway, So I've got that yet, kids.

Speaker 15 (46:18):
So I think I did that one on the show once.

Speaker 2 (46:20):
I think Chippy can laugh at me right now and go,
oh yeah, you who are you calling in compertent? Have
we got a problem with the wicked? Have we got
a problem with the wicket? No, it looks like they
almost took a wicket again anyway, they had a little
bit of a decided No, it's just a why I
never mind, don't worry about that now. As was just
saying to me that there is actually some surprising, some

(46:40):
surprising little places that you can find in Auckland, like
what was it ants.

Speaker 15 (46:44):
Sly sly Bar on k Road. They're not paying me
for this, so you're welcome, sly No.

Speaker 2 (46:49):
What we're trying to do is just let you know
that there are cool places out there that that there
that people know about that you don't know about. And
maybe you can take one of the taxis to this place.
So sly bars is Ants is two doors down from
Coco's cantena to the what the left or the right?

Speaker 15 (47:02):
Oh, yeah, you're facing south, then it's to the left.

Speaker 2 (47:06):
But yeah, but what do you have to do to
open the door?

Speaker 15 (47:09):
Well, so I don't know how often they do this,
because sometimes they leave the door open to get people in.
But there's just a big wall with pictures on it,
and you have to find the right picture frame and
then pull it to open the wall because it's like
a speakeasy style, right.

Speaker 2 (47:20):
Yeah, so you have to pull the picture frame. So
next time, if you see one of these little weird
taxis cruising around and you think, oh, I might just
catch a taxi, catch the taxi, take it to that place,
pull one of the picture frames and then you go
and welcome.

Speaker 4 (47:30):
You're welcome.

Speaker 2 (47:31):
Answer has done that for you? Can I give a
shout out please to the ladies in the firefighters who
have got their kiss off for the first New Zealand
Female Professional Firefighters calendar because they're raising money for breast cancer. Now,
this is what I like about this is that for
the longest time we're beginning now, you shouldn't be objectifying men.

(47:52):
You should shouldn't we shouldn't be doing it, shouldn't be
objectifying people's bodies, and the ladies have just gone, you
know what, bugger it? So they took the tops oft
and they and all they've got on is a br
and the pants and the boots and they're sitting there
and part Now. It's not as sexy as the men's ones,
because if you've looked at the men's ones, please use
this as an excuse to go and look at the
men's ones. If you look at the men's ones, you go,

(48:12):
are you actually a firefighter or just a professional model?
What is going on here? I mean, they have lubed
their bodies up with oil and they've hatched their pants
down to like you're like, lord, that's very close to
showing us too much, and they're doing sexy poses. The
ladies haven't gone quite like they're not Yeah, they're not
quite that on board with it. Like the ladies are

(48:33):
a bit more demure. But hey, you know, it's the
first one and we can always hope for something next year.
Got on your ladies, own it. If you've got the
body flaunted, get your guns out right. We're going to
talk about climate change next, to talk about bringing the
tone down, a talk about making your blood pressure drop immediately. Anyway,
what Bill Gates said next.

Speaker 1 (48:56):
The name you trust to get the answers you need.
It's hell duplicy. Ellen drive with one New Zealand coverage
like no one else us talks.

Speaker 3 (49:06):
They'd be I.

Speaker 14 (49:07):
Swear to God ourselves.

Speaker 2 (49:18):
Okay, Nightingale tax X. But he was actually on the
he was on the Tax Working Group, remember the Michael
Cullen Tax Working Group he was on that. He's going
to be with us after six o'clock and just talk
us through whether the CGT is going to bring in
as much money as labor thinks it is. The debate
has got personal today, by the way, Chippy has just
said of Chris Luxen that he earned more from Capital

(49:38):
Games last year by selling four houses than he earned
as Prime Minister. We will discuss this with the huddle
shortly twenty four away from six now. Bill Gates has
today shocked some by pushing back at climate change doomsayers
in quite spectacular fashion. He's released an essay arguing that
we worry too much about climate change we should instead
focus on more urgent things like fixed hunger. He says

(50:01):
climate change will not lead to humanity's demise, poverty, and
disease are a bigger threat. Adrian Macy is Victoria University's
adjunct professor, Professor of Climate Change and with US High
Adrian after Heather, is he right in saying it will
not wipe out humanity?

Speaker 21 (50:17):
Well interesting that the new head of the head of
the IPC sing and that's that science of the body
that looks at the science and advises the world. Jim Scare.
One of the first things that he said when he
came into the position was, look, it's not it's not
the end of humanity. You know, if if there's more
degrees or warming, then we're planning for. But I would
say that Gates is not saying, so let's stop, let's

(50:40):
stop worrying about climate change per se. If you look
at if you look at what he's been doing, he's
put huge amounts of money into really positive stuff, no
energy transformation stuff and developing country and he's still arguing
for that. But I think, I think what his message
is to my mind quite a come to me, quite so,
quite a reality check of these cops. I mean, we

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we have this thing every year now where as we
go towards the end of the year, we have everyone
saying look, things are far worse, and we thought we're
missing all that targets. This is the very last chance
to save the planet. We send up to one hundred
thousand people somewhere in the world for two weeks, who
then fail to save the planet. I mean, this year,
we're having this huge gathering, massive expense in the middle

(51:24):
of the Amazon rainforest. I mean, to me, it's something
of an absurdity. So I'm rather on Bill Gate's side here.
But definitely he's not saying don't worry about climate.

Speaker 2 (51:32):
No, I don't know, he's not Adrian, He's no one
saying he's saying that. He's He's not saying don't worry
about climate change. He's saying, be proportionate in your worry
about climate change. Is he right that we've been disproportionate.

Speaker 21 (51:45):
I think what we've done well. I would be with
him on one thing, this total focus on targets and timetables,
which is all about you go along to a cop
and you say, well, we're going to do x percent
by a year. Why the big question is what are
you doing now? How are you trans what are you
doing to transition your economy renewable energy? What are you

(52:05):
doing on agriculture, and that's that's the thing. And I
see what he's saying is, yes, have a bit more
of an don't assume it's going to be armaged. And
if we sail past the one point five degrees, which
we have already, but think about the positive things that
you need to do. So I think it's a pretty
to my mind, a pretty practical message.

Speaker 2 (52:25):
Tell me something, Adriana, what is your your take on
what appears to be the Overton windows shifting on climate change?
Do you know what I mean?

Speaker 21 (52:34):
Well, if you, yeah, then the messages are coming in
pretty consistently. I mean you've got, of course, the big thing.
When you've got the world's biggest economy pulls out of
the Powers agreement, we're really what what at the moment,
who's determining the future of temperatures more like China and
developing countries. But you're finding this message, even which they're
having difficulties within Europe at the moment getting agreement on

(52:57):
these or more ambitious targets. And I think there is
a if you like to go to some of the
Maslow hierarchy of needs, you've got cost of living crises,
and you've got wars everywhere side exaggeration, but you these
these things are taking that there and people's consciousns more.
I think climate changes slip down a little in people's consciousness.

(53:19):
So yeah, that's that's the fair point, Adrian.

Speaker 2 (53:21):
It's always a pleasure to talk to you. Thank you
for your time.

Speaker 4 (53:23):
Mate.

Speaker 2 (53:23):
That's Adrian Macy, who is an adjunct professor of climate
change at Victoria University. Twenty one away from six.

Speaker 1 (53:29):
The Huddle with New Zealand Southeby's International Realty. Find your
one of a kind.

Speaker 2 (53:35):
On the huddle with me this evening we have Morris
Williams and Auckland councilor and Jack Tame, host of Q
and A and Saturday Mornings here on z B. Hello
you too any how Refreshing Morris is Bill Gates.

Speaker 22 (53:46):
Oh, it's fantastic. I love the man and I think
he's just saying, let's put it in proportion instead of
it being the we're all doomed and we're all going
to die and the world's coming to an end, because
that's how it was being trade at some point. Yes,
we've got to do things. Yes, we've got to do
things that make sense. Yes, science will actually allow us

(54:06):
to change how much an animal farts and so on.
But let's actually just not sort of run into the
dark room and think it's all coming to an end, Morris.

Speaker 2 (54:16):
For somebody like you who's in a position like Auckland Council,
is this going to help you, like the fact that
there are more and more people coming out and say,
whoa like this needs to just we need to calm
our farm on this and people like Bill Gates, Is
this going to help you to be able to resist
some of the nuttier ideas that you come up against
that council level.

Speaker 22 (54:34):
I hope so. I hope so, because in the end,
one of the facts that I quite use regularly is
that if New Zealand was to disappear off the planet
tomorrow and not be here, then in twelve days time,
just the growth and the missions in China, India and
the Middle East alone would have made up for the
entire emissions of New Zealand. So we'd be back to

(54:54):
exactly where we were in twelve days time. So we
could wipe New Zealand completely off the planet and it
would make no different. Yeah, I'm not saying we shouldn't
do things. We should do things that are sensible, should
do things that are in the cost of benefit ratios
in terms of it, And there's lots that can be done,
but let's not sort of sort of flagellate ourselves and we're.

Speaker 2 (55:12):
A here shirt now, Jack, do you remember what we
were talking about last week?

Speaker 23 (55:17):
Climate change?

Speaker 2 (55:19):
You and I were talking about climate change and how
the thing just has to kind of swing wildly to
one side and the other and then settle in the middle.
This is more of us just settling in the middle,
isn't it.

Speaker 8 (55:29):
Yeah?

Speaker 23 (55:29):
I think so. Actually, yeah, I mean I think, having
breathed through Bill Gates's comments, I think for the most part,
he is pretty reasonably coming down to a kind of
a practical response point. I mean, it's true that if
we blow through one point five degrees warming, which I
think pretty clearly we have, it's not like the world
is going to end. I still think there is a

(55:52):
wealth of evidence that suggests that the more warming we see,
the greater the impact, and I think it is in
humanity's collective interest to try and reduce those impacts as
much as possible. But you know, I think it's also
pretty clear that that there are all manner of crises
facing the planet, you know, in the immediacy of this moment,

(56:15):
and it's pretty natural that human beings want to respond
to those as well. So yeah, yeah, I think for
the most part.

Speaker 2 (56:20):
Reason Jack, there will be you will have friends, right
because you've got some You've got some lefty friends. You
will have friends who genuinely will be upset with him
for saying that it's not going to wipe out humanity.

Speaker 5 (56:30):
Right.

Speaker 2 (56:30):
There are people who actually believe it's an existential crisis for.

Speaker 3 (56:33):
Humans, right.

Speaker 23 (56:38):
I mean, I don't have any friends, full stop. I
don't have many friends, full stop. So I'm sure that
I'm sure there are people who think that it is
a looming existential crisis. Absolutely, And I think if global
warming were at the absolute top end of you know,
some of the early initial estimates, you know, if we're
looking at five or six degrees, there's arguments that can
be made that you know, see current so irreversibly changed,

(57:01):
or bees die or whatever that could lead to an
existential crisis. I don't think we're facing an existential crisis
anytime soon. And there'll be some people who say that
Bill Gates saying this will distract us from the immediate
priority of reducing emissions. I go back to my first point.
I think Bill Gates would agree that the more we
can reduce warming, the better for all of us, the
better for the state of our species. But the mere

(57:22):
fact that we've gone through one point five doesn't mean
that we.

Speaker 3 (57:25):
Are all doomed.

Speaker 2 (57:25):
No, not at all.

Speaker 10 (57:26):
All.

Speaker 15 (57:26):
Right, listen, I want to.

Speaker 2 (57:29):
Morris, you're loving this as much as me I can tell. Right,
we're going to discuss the teachers. Next stand By sixteen
away from six.

Speaker 1 (57:36):
The huddle with New Zealand Southeby's International Realty, the global
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Speaker 2 (57:42):
Fourteen away from six. Back with the huddle, Marris Williams
and Jack Tay Morris. What's up with the teachers? And
they're winging over the curriculum.

Speaker 22 (57:49):
Look, it's disappointing, but I guess everybody feels sort of
nervous about change. I think when Erica did the maths
and the English stuff, there was the same level of Oh,
we don't want this, and this is too much and
we are not equipped for it. And she made it
clear that if proper resources were made available, and if
professional learning and development was given to every one of

(58:09):
the teachers so they could participate in it properly. I now,
I think that's gone exceedingly well and good honor. I
think she's one of the best ministers this government's got
by far, and good on and now to start extending
it into things like history, for example, and start to
teach history across the board, history including a bit of
international history as well, well done. And I just think

(58:29):
as long as the teachers are resourced for it, they
sent on a professional learning and development so they can
teach it and the resource materials there, then they really
should just get with the program.

Speaker 2 (58:38):
Jack.

Speaker 23 (58:40):
I think it's just really hard to separate the criticisms
from the context.

Speaker 3 (58:46):
And by that I mean we're in the middle of.

Speaker 23 (58:47):
Industrial action for starters, so the relationship between the teacher
unions and the government's.

Speaker 3 (58:52):
Not exactly in a great place.

Speaker 23 (58:54):
But as an outsider, I also find it really tricky
to distinguish legitimate criticism from what sometimes feel like reactive
opposition to a national government. But when was the last
time like the teachers or teacher unions came out and
said that a national leag government was doing something good.
And that's not to say that their criticisms of the

(59:16):
curriculum are all unfounded, because I'm sure there are some
legitimate criticisms or concerns and all of this, but from
an outsider's perspective, it does feel like the teacher unions
always criticize national led government, you know, policy decisions, and
as a result, it's quite difficult to distinguish what might
be good, well founded, legitimate criticisms from some stuff that

(59:39):
feels more politically motivated.

Speaker 2 (59:40):
Do you mean like when the pe teachers complain that
the new curriculum has too much physical activity in.

Speaker 23 (59:45):
It, Well, essentially, yeah. Do you know another thing, I
always Rema New Zealand and after I am after they
announced the new qualification, and look, we haven't seen all
the meat on the bone with a new qualification. But
I just went through the archive and looked up what
the teaching and said about NCAA when that was reduced.

(01:00:08):
And of course when that was introduced, they were really
critical of NCAA and they were like, this is a
terrible change, this is going to be a disaster. And
now of course an NCAA is being replaced with a
new qualification. They're saying, no, NCAA is great, like this
is all this isn't necessarily good. And so my point
is just that, like if from time to time the
teachers came out and said, actually, yes, this National Government

(01:00:29):
lead decision is a really good thing and this is
going to improve educational outcomes, then I would find some
of their criticisms a little better. Founders, you know what
I mean.

Speaker 2 (01:00:38):
I hear yeah, I hear yah. Now, Maurice, what do
you make of Chippy making it personal with Luxel? I
mean that was with a CGT. That was probably always
going to happen, wasn't it, because he is very wealthy.

Speaker 22 (01:00:48):
I'm one of these people who think if you have
to make anything in politics personal, then you've lost the debate.
I only ever got thrown out of Parliament once in
my whole thirty years, and that's because I didn't wear
a tie on Wellington's tylist. I never got stuck into
people about anything to do with their personal lives or
anything else. And you can check my record on But
if you've got a good debate, then you've got really

(01:01:09):
good facts to back up your debate, then use them
and prove what's wrong about the other side or what's
good about yours. Get into the personal stuff. You've just
lost the debate.

Speaker 2 (01:01:18):
In my view, I thought of you yesterday, Jack, because
I know you love a CGT. So how'd you feel?
Was it a happy day?

Speaker 23 (01:01:26):
I don't love a CDT.

Speaker 3 (01:01:28):
I don't know a CGP.

Speaker 2 (01:01:31):
You do know that one of your most famous moments
on the show predates me. It was when the CG
your discussion with Laz about the CGT, and he'd never
seen the text machine go go mad like that because
you were you remember that well?

Speaker 23 (01:01:45):
I mean, I do think there is a reasonable argument
that you could say that the New Zealand tax system
is relatively well balanced, but that we tax almost all
forms of income except for one. And I think if
productivity is the big problem that New Zealand governments have
successive governments of face and have sworn that they would FAX,
then at the very least bringing us in line with

(01:02:05):
other countries when it comes to a CGT is worth considering.
That being said, I reckon the policy yesterday was about
as safe as my statement just then in that I
don't think, at first Blush, it looks like it's going
to meaningfully move the dial in any directions.

Speaker 2 (01:02:22):
How it works?

Speaker 23 (01:02:24):
Yeah, exactly, Well, well, this is the thing though, right
Like they'll just come out and say, yeah, we're not
going to extend, we're committing to not extending it in
our first term or whatever and try and blunt those criticisms.
I just don't think solely from a political perspective, that
it's meaningfully going to cost them massive numbers of votes,
meaningfully going to win the massive numbers of votes, or
meaningfully going to change New Zealand's productivity equation in the

(01:02:45):
short term.

Speaker 2 (01:02:46):
What do you reckon, Morris? Do you reckon new Zealand's
ready to love it? Because the people in Wellington keep
on texting me and not on new Zealand's ready for
a CGT people love it. I don't know I do it.

Speaker 22 (01:02:54):
I don't think they love it at all. And I
think if you're one of these lawyers in the property area,
you can try a tractor through this. I mean, first,
what's the definition of a family home? What if you're
just living with the person rather than married, And that's
very popular these days. They own a house, and you
own a house, which is which? So do you have
to actually dwell it? And then they have to have

(01:03:15):
government inspectors to come and make sure you're living in
that house, and not just saying it. I mean you
can divorce your husband and both own a property in
the future, and in the end, one of your kids,
if they're old enough, can own the property or whatever.
And then how do you accommodate all the money you've
spent on maintenance and improvements over the years. Now it
says you can have that deducted. Who keeps all the

(01:03:36):
bloody receipts?

Speaker 2 (01:03:37):
We all are now, aren't we?

Speaker 15 (01:03:39):
Though?

Speaker 2 (01:03:40):
That's going to happen to reduce that?

Speaker 22 (01:03:43):
I thought, if you're ever going to launch a new policy,
that has got to be the Titanic of all policy launches.

Speaker 2 (01:03:51):
Yeah, there's distinct faces on yesterday for sure. Guys. It's
wonderful to talk to you. Thank you, Jack and Morris.
The huddle this evening seven away from six.

Speaker 1 (01:03:58):
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Speaker 2 (01:04:07):
Here the look at what the Labour Green climate policies
have created both middle class and working class Kiwi families
are now struggling to buy meat and butter and electricity.
They were going to drive us into poverty. Thank God,
Thank heavens. Bill Gates is calling out the hysteria. That text,
by the way, is not hysterical. That is why you
are paying so much for your electricity is because of

(01:04:27):
the old ets or climate change stuff. Yay for all
of us. Hey, have you caught up on the drama
that's going on with the Joy Division T shirt? Albanize's
Joy Division T shirt over in Australia, Lord Buff So
he got off a plane and I mean, like he's
a daggy dad, right, like guys of his age should
not be wearing band T shirts anymore for God's sake,

(01:04:48):
go to as colour, get yourself a black one where
that stop wearing. Yay, you like Joy Division, You're not
cooled whatever anyway heat but it's what they do when
they're that age. And so he's got a little Joy
Division T shirt on show everybody. I'm still a cool dad.
And it comes down the plane. Well, Susan Lee does
not like it, the opposition leader and she starts criticizing
him for antisemitic connotations. Now it's a long bow, okay,

(01:05:10):
because apparently back in the world Second World War, the
women who were doing you know, in the concentration camps,
you know the Comfort Ladies, they were called the Joy Division,
and apparently he was made aware of that in a
podcast in twenty twenty two. So the inferences that he
shouldn't be wearing the T shirt anymore because now he
knows what the Joy Division means, Well, that's such a
long bow that, as you can imagine, it's divided the coalition.

(01:05:33):
Some liberal MPs are privately questioning Susan Lee's judgment, as
they should. If you haven't a Cracker Joy Division T shirts,
you're probably on flimsy ground, I would say. But anyway,
that's happening over there at the moment. As I said,
we're going to talk about the CGT next. Now, if
you were listening to Nikola Willis yesterday, you will recall
Nichola Willis has questioned whether the Labor Party is actually

(01:05:55):
going to be able to bring in as much money
as they say they are from the capital gains tax
because Chippy said to me yesterday this rollover relief. She
doesn't think that's in the workings from the original Tax
Working Group, which they've borrowed the idea from. We're going
to talk to Jeff Nightingale next, who was a tax
expert who was on the Tax Working Group and hopefully,
hopefully he will be able to answer that question for

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is actually finally improving. Janet tub Charini with some analysis
on the capital gains tax and how the money is
going to be spent, and then we'll go to Gavin
Gray in the UK at seven past six. Now there
is some concern that Labour's capital gains tax might not
bring in as much money as they hope. On the
show last night, Nikola Willa said Labour's policy was already

(01:07:26):
falling apart.

Speaker 16 (01:07:27):
Based on their own statements today. They've based their costings
on the Tax Working Group proposal, and that proposal, if
you sold a property and received a gain on it,
you would pay a tax. What he said in your
interview was if you sold a commercial property but you
then bought a new one, you wouldn't pay tax on

(01:07:48):
the previous sale.

Speaker 2 (01:07:50):
Now, Jeff Nightingale is an independent TAXIX but who was
actually a member of the aforementioned Tax Working Group. Hi, Jeff,
hi ever is Nicola writer. She got a point there.

Speaker 24 (01:08:00):
Well, I think she's got a point in the sense
that as I understand it, anyway, Labour's proposal has this
thing called rollover relief in it because it's modeled on
the Tax Working Group, and we had proposed rollover relief
for small businesses businesses the turnover of less than five
million who were selling business assets to reinvest in the business.

(01:08:23):
You need to do that to preserve economic growth and things.
So I think she's right on that perspective. But what
I also understand those Labour's done its own costings of
the revenue that they propose, and they've included all the
assumptions are the design assumptions in that revenue costing. So
to that extent, I suspect they are standing. They'll stand

(01:08:44):
by their numbers.

Speaker 2 (01:08:45):
Okay, So they are forecasting an average of about seven
hundred million dollars being brought in over the first four years.
That sound about right to you. And you know, having
what one point three billion in the first on year four?
Does that sound right?

Speaker 18 (01:08:59):
Yeah?

Speaker 24 (01:08:59):
Look it does sound about right. Look, look you've got
to realize there's a forecasts, right, and the one thing
you know about them is they'll be wrong. But when so,
Labour's CGT policy is modeled on the minority view of
the Tax Working Group. There was a minority. I was
in the majority, eight out of eleven was voted for

(01:09:21):
a comprehensive Capital Gain SAX. A minority of three put
up and said, let's just extend it to property. And
in that minority report they said that residential property will
be about thirty nine percent of all revenue forecasts for
the Capital Gains Tax and Treasury in twenty nineteen, long
time ago, it suggested that after ten years, the comprehensive

(01:09:43):
Capital Gains Tax might be six point two billion of
revenue per annum after ten years and thirty nine per
cent of that's a couple of billions. So Labour's estimate
of a billion after four years doesn't seem out of
skew to me.

Speaker 2 (01:09:58):
Now, yesterday Chippy c to me, it's not inflation adjusted,
should it be?

Speaker 3 (01:10:04):
Yeah?

Speaker 24 (01:10:05):
I heard that it's a great question. In theory, Yes,
it should be, because we should be taxing inflationary gains.
We should only be taxing real gains. But introducing inflation
adjustment is really difficult and produces real complexity. So what
most jurisdictions around the world do is either discount the
rate to allow for inflation, or only include part of

(01:10:28):
the gain as a proxy really for inflation. So you know,
you could argue that at twenty eight percent, it's already
a slight discount for an individual or a trust whose
top rate is thirty nine, but it's not a discount
for companies.

Speaker 2 (01:10:42):
No, And I mean, geez, it's not much of a discount,
is it. Would you do if you had, if you
designed it to account for inflation.

Speaker 24 (01:10:49):
Well, when we did the working group, we didn't. We
recommended not to account for inflation, and the reason being
that we come off of this period of historically low
inflations we've seen in the last couple of years. If
inflation can get away and make it a hell of
a difference. So I do think you need to in
principle account for inflation. It's probably too hard to do
it precisely, and a CPI adjust the cost base, So

(01:11:12):
it's probably best to apply some proxy and discount the
rate or discount the rate of inclusion of the capital
gain in order to say we recognize it. It's a
pretty rough measure, but it does recognize inflation.

Speaker 2 (01:11:24):
If you do that, Jeff, what does your gut tell you?
I mean it looks to me like this is a
trojan horse, right, because I don't really understand what the
point is in bringing in attacks or introducing attacks to
bring in review and then immediately spending the vast majority
of what it brings in on something that we don't
need right as widespread as free GP as it's for.

(01:11:45):
So would you say, looking at that, that this is
just the startup something and it expands from there and
it's being something more comprehensive like what you'd like.

Speaker 24 (01:11:53):
Yeah, I think some people will see it like that.
I mean, this approach is consist with what New Zealand
has done for capital gains all along. It's coherent with
our current policy. So we don't have a comprehensive capital
gains tax, but we do tax some capital gains where
they occur systematically and they start to look like income.

(01:12:15):
So we tax financial arrangements. We tax property development. We
tax payments around leases, and so we fire rifle shots
in law at these things, and this is another rifle shot.
It's not a broad base yet, but you know, some
people will see it as a we'll start here and
then we'll add some more asset classes in. And in
fact that was the that was what the minority report
of the Tax Working Group said, only add asset classes

(01:12:37):
in as you can justify that the revenue will outweigh
the complexity in compliance costs.

Speaker 2 (01:12:42):
Jeff, it's good to talk.

Speaker 24 (01:12:43):
Do you.

Speaker 2 (01:12:43):
Thank you so much for your time in your expertise.
Jeff Nightingale, independent tax expert and former member of the
Tax Working Group. Heather is a food Fighters T shirt. Okay,
I think it's probably not at that age. How old
does Alberisi do you reckon ants?

Speaker 19 (01:13:03):
Sixty?

Speaker 15 (01:13:04):
Oh, that's a good question. I take a hissue with
the idea that there's an age where you have to
stop wearing band T shirts. I don't think we should
discourage people from enjoying life and listening to music and
celebrating their favorite bands. I think I'm going to be
quite happily wearing my Mountain Eating T shirt until I'm
in the grave.

Speaker 2 (01:13:17):
I think I can so when you are sixty two
like Albanesi, and I'm going to rip you for wearing
your T shirt.

Speaker 15 (01:13:25):
Pully, rip me for wearing what I wear at the moment. Anyway,
I'm not very conscious that I think, No.

Speaker 2 (01:13:30):
A Foo Fighter's T shirt is not okay if you're
sixty two years old.

Speaker 15 (01:13:33):
Absolutely, it's fine, Absolutely fine.

Speaker 2 (01:13:35):
Whither at least Joy Division is cool. At least he
wasn't wearing a Kenny Rodgers T shirt. Well, I mean
that's I think that's what makes it worse. Like if
he was wearing a Kenny Rodgers T shirt, we'd be like,
at least you're being honest. But he's wearing a Joy
Division T shirt, which is designed to make it look
like he is cool, Like he's wearing something that's cool
so that we can all go, oh, look at how
cool he is. Eh, it's performative, performative T shirt wearing. Anyway, listen,

(01:13:59):
I've got a bit of good news for you from
the Reserve Bank. They have cut the number of jobs
there by nearly twenty percent. There were seven hundred and
fifty one jobs at the end of March. Now only
five hundred and ninety seven. So let's just let's do numbers.
We upstand seven hundred and fifty down to six hundred,
saving them probably about eleven million dollars. Now, normally I
don't celebrate people losing their jobs because those are real
people there. But there will way too many people hired

(01:14:21):
by Adrian or so at least it's coming back to
a bit more of a reasonable level. I'd so don't
stop there, keep going. Six fourteen.

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Speaker 3 (01:15:30):
Heather duplessy Ellen, I've just.

Speaker 2 (01:15:32):
Lost another wicket. Captain Kaine is out. I'll get you
the details and to take eighteen past six. Jeremy Hutton
Milfed Asset Management is with us O Jeremy.

Speaker 25 (01:15:41):
Good evening, Heather.

Speaker 2 (01:15:42):
Now, as we know, the economies had a few tough years,
hasn't it. But are we finally starting to see the
start of hard data improvements coming through.

Speaker 25 (01:15:49):
Yeah, that's right. A lot of the economic improvements so
far has been in the more soft data. So this
is more feeling and surveys and you know, people indicating
that next year they'll probably will feel a bit better
or spend some more money. But some of the harder
data is starting to come through too, which is good
and confirms that positivity. And one such story today is
on the insed X we had a non agri business

(01:16:13):
upgrade their earnings forecast and that was in z to
me and a company you will know very well. But
pleasingly it was the revenue line which contributed to the
beat or the upgrade and earnings. And you know, we
know that media and advertising can be at the point
end of the economy, and we know firms have cut
back materially on advertising spend where the demand has been

(01:16:33):
quite weak. So perhaps and Me's upgrade is indicating that
there's a little bit more spend, a little more activity
going on on the wider economy.

Speaker 2 (01:16:42):
Some jobs data improving too from Stats New Zealand.

Speaker 25 (01:16:46):
Yeah, Stats New Zealand yesterday they had their fulled jobs data.
This is effectively all the jobs in the New Zealand
economy and that's increased for two months in a row.
You know, not maybe not quite a trend, but you know,
getting better, and it is good that the economy is
to add some jobs again. I'd also note that in
terms of activity is house sales volumes, so you know

(01:17:07):
this is activity and liquidity in the market has been
pretty consistently increasing each and every month this year, so
more activity in the housing market. But I would just know,
you know, we are coming off the bottom, so there
is still certainly a way to go here.

Speaker 2 (01:17:19):
Yeah, now, listen on this restaurant brand's takeover offer. Do
you reckon? The independent value report is going to disappoint
some of the some of the shareholders.

Speaker 25 (01:17:27):
Yeah, potentially, you know, fin Access, there are Mexican private
equity owner or investor. They've owned seventy five percent of
restaurant brands for about seven years now, and they submitted
a takeover offer for the remaining twenty five percent of
the business and they want to take it private and
take it off the listed market. And you know, on
face value, their offer was pretty attractive. It was five

(01:17:48):
five dollars and five cents and that was a big
seventy percent premium versus what the share price was before.
But the company has had a really disappointing few years.
The share price has fallen eighty percent over the past
few years, so, you know, a tough going for shareholders.
But the Independent Value report that came out yesterday as well,
in the midpoint actually indicated the value of five seventy two,

(01:18:11):
so obviously a lot more than what fun Access is offering.
So perhaps the getting that remaining twenty five percent a
little bit cheaply and some New Zealand investors could be
missing out here.

Speaker 2 (01:18:20):
Have we seen any impact from the CGT proposal?

Speaker 25 (01:18:27):
Yeah, not too much at this point. I mean your
mind goes to say the listed real estate companies or
the retirement companies that could be impacted. You know, the
retirement one's an easier one. You've had the bright line
test for a few years. We've had various proposals of
capital gains and retirement's always been excluded from those, so
imagine that would be the same for Labour's twenty twenty
seven tax. But reates, you know some impact. New Zealand

(01:18:51):
does have a key differential currently with Australia and property
for investors. You know, we don't have capital gains tax
or stamp duty or land taxes, so perhaps one of
our relative attractiveness points has gone there. But you know,
reats they do deliver some of their games through share
price appreciation and that is obviously excluded, so you know

(01:19:12):
there's some attractiveness to the listed roads and your investors
want that property exposure. It could be better than incurring
a capital gains tax on a direct property investment.

Speaker 2 (01:19:21):
Interesting, Hey, thank you very much. Jeremy has always appreciated
Jerem Hutt and Wulfedd acid management.

Speaker 4 (01:19:26):
Right.

Speaker 2 (01:19:26):
So Williamson was out for twenty one. At the moment
it's forty five to two, we've got Mitchell and Russian
facing the ball. Russian, do you want to play the music? No,
he says, no, it's not appropriate. It's the sexy music
because Russian is definitely the sexiest one. Six twenty two.

Speaker 3 (01:19:42):
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Speaker 1 (01:19:49):
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Speaker 2 (01:19:54):
He'd be hither. I'm wondering if Labor will also reintroduce
the tax deductibility rules for landlords as well. With a
capital game on top, they will kill the market. Jared,
very good question. And actually someone who might know the
answer to that is Genative Trainey, who's going to be
with us in a round about ten minutes time. I'll
ask you that question. Listen on the old full day
working week getting some very bad pr over in the
UK at the moment because the councils have started doing well.

(01:20:16):
One council has started doing it. South Cambridgeshire became the
first council to adopt a four day week permanently, just
this past winter gone for us. They gave the bin
collectors and the social housing officials one hundred percent of
their pay but only needed them to do eighty percent
of their contracted hours. Well, the problem is if everybody's
doing eighty percent of their work, stuff's just not going

(01:20:37):
to get done, is it? Like a old bunch of
stuff's not going to get it? And that's what happened.
Services started deteriorating really quickly, because I mean this is
just this past winter. We're now in spring. Did a survey.
They found rent collection and repairs had gone backwards. This
is what the council was doing. So the government over there,
the Labor government's cracking down on it and basically told
that wrote them a letter deeply disappointed because what they're
trying to do is stop twenty five other councils who

(01:20:59):
are considering doing it from doing it. Six twenty six.

Speaker 3 (01:21:02):
There's no business like show business.

Speaker 2 (01:21:07):
Ariana Grande maybe on her way to Oscar Gold, the
sequel to last year's smash hit Wicked, is coming fast.
It's called Wicked for Good and it's just on its
first preview screenings for critics and Broadway actors in New
York and they are loving it. Deadline Awards writer Destiny
Jackson said the movie was quote an epic and heartbreakingly
tender conclusion, and a Variety senior editor said, Cynthia Arrivo

(01:21:28):
is magnificent, but get ready for Ariana Grande as she
takes this performance to the next level. The Wizard of
Oz influence of the osvlog got to see the film.

Speaker 26 (01:21:37):
Honestly, every performance was a winner.

Speaker 2 (01:21:39):
There was not one dud in this bunch.

Speaker 26 (01:21:42):
I walked out feeling extremely satisfied. And this is going
to sound crazy. It was better than Part one.

Speaker 2 (01:21:47):
The first movie was nominated for ten Oscars, including Best Picture,
Best Actress, Best Supporting Actress for Ariana Grande, but it
also won two awards Best Costume Design, Best Production Design.
If the momentum continues in their favor, Grande could end
up making her own statue home because, according to the
prediction site Gold Derby Grande has a twenty seven percent
chance of winning the Best Supporting Actress. Gong Wicked for

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Good in theaters November twentieth, or you can see an
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Speaker 3 (01:22:33):
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Speaker 3 (01:22:45):
Use talks at me.

Speaker 21 (01:22:46):
It's me.

Speaker 2 (01:22:52):
Every number you Sadres blushed out of the UK and
ten minutes time Heather, I reckon only someone who was
around sixty two years old should legitimately be wearing a
Joy Division T shirt because the band were active from
seventy six to about nineteen eighty, when Albinizi was twenty
two to twenty six years old. So that makes it okay,
doesn't It just really started something? Paul, you make a

(01:23:14):
fair argument. You do make a fair argument. The problem
he's getting so deep in this Joy Division thing. The
problem is that he's picked something that he knows is cool. Right,
So he's wearing the obvious. He's basic. He's what they
would call. Am I going to get in trouble for
saying this. He's a basic bitch, right, This is what
the kids call the basic bitch. If you want to

(01:23:35):
actually be legit cool, you have to wear something that
we go, oh, we didn't pick you as a Lady
Gaga fan.

Speaker 15 (01:23:42):
Or you know, there is nothing less cool than someone
trying to wear something that is popular that they know
nothing about in order to appear to seem cool. People
see through that right away.

Speaker 2 (01:23:53):
Yeah, but he might legit like Lady Gaga.

Speaker 15 (01:23:55):
Well no, he likes Joy Division.

Speaker 27 (01:23:59):
Lord.

Speaker 2 (01:23:59):
Okay, it's an elbow wear the T shirt. There is
a market for you. It's not me. It's ants twenty
three away from seven, ever do Allen. Chris Hipkins is
pushing back at the government and his own potential coalition
partners on the issue of the capital gains tax. Government
hates it, Greens want labor to go much further.

Speaker 13 (01:24:16):
This is the policy that we are campaigning on, and
this is the policy that we will implement if we
form government after the next election. Because I'm not a
complete pushover like Christopher Luxen. I don't think the smaller
parties should call all of the shots. I've been very
very clear under a labor government, I will be the
Prime Minister, Barbara Edmonds will be the Minister of Finance.

Speaker 3 (01:24:34):
That is not up for negotiation.

Speaker 2 (01:24:36):
Genetive Trainey is The Herald's Wellington Business editor with US.
Hello Jday, Hi Heather. Okay, so you have an interesting
take on this, which is you don't have a problem
with the CGT part. You have a problem with the
three free doctors visits part.

Speaker 3 (01:24:49):
Why.

Speaker 28 (01:24:50):
Yeah, exactly. I think if you read some of the
work that Treasury has been putting out there, it's really
worried about the costs associated with our aging pop pulation.
You know, these costs are meant to soar and the
tax take is not meant to increase, you know, at
the same rate as the expenses. So Treasury illustrates this
in a recent report it did. It said that if

(01:25:12):
the government solely relied on tax to meet the cost
pressures that are ahead, the average tax rate on labor
income would need to rise from twenty one percent to
thirty two percent of GDP. Or if you solely rely
on increasing GST to meet the costs that would need
to go up from fifteen to thirty two percent. So
the reality is we don't have enough money to meet

(01:25:35):
the costs. So then you think, well, how do you
you know, how do you meet these costs? Either you
cut services a lot, you increase the age of super
or you increase the tax base. So you just instead
of taxing people that go to work more, you just
diversify who you tax. And a capital gains tax is
a widely recognized way of doing that. You know, people do,

(01:25:57):
It's done all around the world. A bunch of business
leaders think it's a good idea, IMF so on. So
of all the different options, none of them are great,
but that one doesn't seem like a bad one.

Speaker 4 (01:26:06):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:26:07):
So basically the idea is you need more you need
more revenue. You don't need to go blowing it on
something that people can afford to pay for them. Many
people can afford to it. And this is arguably the
same problem with the Future Fund, isn't it. They bring
the money in or they get the money and then
just squander it on something we don't need.

Speaker 28 (01:26:21):
Well, that's the thing. And you know, I think for
a lot of people, they are smart enough, they can
see the future that we're looking at, and I mean
it's not great, but something needs to be done. But
the thing that is galling is when labor proposes to
spend money in an untargeted way. So, of course I'd
like to go to the GP three times a year
for free, but I can afford to go to the GP, thankfully,

(01:26:43):
and I do go. So actually to spend money on
me going to the GP is a waste of money.
I'd rather than that be spent on other people who
can't afford it getting top of the finances.

Speaker 2 (01:26:53):
What about if you see this from a different perspective,
which is this is not actually the thing that's supposed
to bring the revenue, and this is the trojan horse.
It starts them off. They sell it to the public with, hey,
this is what you get for us introducing a CGT.
So it's a nice little bait and switch, and then
after that you can start making it more comprehensive. Comprehensive
and that is how you pay for everything.

Speaker 28 (01:27:12):
Yeah, Now, like, I mean, that's a good point. What
they've proposed here by keeping it just on property syd
types of property, is that the revenue generation is not
going to be huge. It's not going to save New
Zealand from this doom and gloom that Treasury talks about.
But I don't think we can assume that label would
go further with the taxing.

Speaker 4 (01:27:31):
You know, at the end of the.

Speaker 28 (01:27:33):
Day that there would be an uproar and you can't
entirely pull the rug out from beneath people who invest
in property. There's nothing wrong with doing that. We need
landlords and I would hope that it wouldn't overkill things.
And for example, the way it could do that is
if it again stopped allowing investors prevented them from deducting

(01:27:56):
interest as an expenseful tax.

Speaker 2 (01:28:00):
What they're doing there, Well, they haven't.

Speaker 28 (01:28:02):
Said, so we asked and they sort of kept it open.
So you know, it's pretty crucial for investors that they
can deduct that interest as an expense. It's a very
large expense. It helps with cash flow. You know, it's
one thing introducing a capital gains tax. I think that's fine,
but removing the ability to deduct interest as an expense

(01:28:26):
would be a step too far. And I don't know
why they didn't just stamp that out when they announced
the policy.

Speaker 2 (01:28:32):
Interesting, Hey, thanks very much, Jane as always Jane Tibcherani,
the Heralds Wellington Business editor. Here the labor have a
poverty mindset nineteen away from seven. It is not every
day they look forward to a scientific journal being released.
But I am here for the Journal of Experimental Social Psychology,
which is going to be released on the twenty fifth
of November, because this particular edition is going to be

(01:28:54):
looking at why women use the exclamation mark more than men.
And this is fact. Have a look. Go through your
text messages from women. Don't look at women in your life.
Look at colleagues. Go through your emails, look at colleagues.
A woman sends you an emails or exclamation marks, thanks
so much for doing that. Exclamation mark, so great to

(01:29:15):
help you. Exclamation mark, Hi Howey, is great to see you.
Exclamation mark. Men just full stop, full stop, full stop.
And I think we know the reason. It's because women
want to be more agreeable and fun and chill about
things like we try harder. This is not a bad thing.
Making this sound like it's a bad thing from women.
It's not a bad thing from women. Women are the
glue that keep marriages and families together because we try

(01:29:39):
to make everybody have a good time. Right, We're like,
oh did you want Yeah, did you want to see conserving?
Here you go, Oh, don't fight with your dad. Oh,
don't fight. You know, like you're constantly being the peacemaker
and stuff that hence the exclamation mark because you're trying
to Sorry, I crashed your car exclamation mark. Anyway, this
is what it says across five studies. Our findings suggest
that exclamation point usage is associated more with women then

(01:30:00):
with men, that these normative expectations are impactful, and that women,
who are more sensitive to potential downstream impression formation implications
of using exclamation marks, as in, like you know that
if you use it, this is the reaction that you're
going to get, think about this issue more than men
and are more uncertain of their exclamation point usage. We
further find that the decision to use exclamations does indeed

(01:30:22):
shape social perception, leading to more positive impressions overall, but
also some negative concerns. So anyway, what I'm trying to
say is twenty fifth of November, we're going to well,
we're not going to read this. We're going to get
somebody boring like the Guardian to read it for us
and then digest it and then turn it into normal
people chat. And then we're going to chat about this
because you know that this is a thing. Go through
your emails, you'll see here's a fun fact for you.

(01:30:45):
The exclamation point originated in the fourteenth century. It was
invented by some chap Alpulli da urbig Zagolia, who was
frustrated with the monotonic way that people read scripts that
were meant to evoke emotions. So he was like, how
do I get them to not just be like but
actually have an emotion on the script? Exclamation point? Thank

(01:31:08):
you women everywhere, Thank you. Sixteen away from seven.

Speaker 1 (01:31:12):
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Speaker 2 (01:31:23):
Talks, d be I almost forgot. We've got to talk
about Ben and Jery's and just to tech us in
the ice cream people, it's got to do with Gaza
fourteen away from seven. Gavin Gray UK corresponds with us
right now, Hey, Gvin, Hi there So Brigitte Macron's daughter
has given evidence.

Speaker 27 (01:31:38):
Yes, yes, in this bizarre case in Paris, taking part
where ten people are accused of sexist cyber bullying of
the French president's wife, Brigitte Macron. The defendants are accused
of effectively rumor milling, spreading unsubstantiated claims all about her
gender and sexuality, and making what are called militia remarks

(01:32:00):
about the twenty four year age gap between Brigitte and
her husband, Emmanuel Macron. The ten people appearing in the
dark car an elected official, a gallery owner, and a
teacher are among them, and two of them, self styled
independent journalist called Natasha Ray and internet fortune teller a
man Deen Roy were found guilty of slander last year

(01:32:23):
for claiming that France's first lady had never existed. So
it's quite a group of people. They say, look, it's
freedom of speech. We've done nothing wrong, the Macrons saying
it's really affected their mental health, and Bridgitte Macron's daughter
saying it really has taken its toll on her mother's
ill health being in the spotlight and having these accusations

(01:32:44):
thrust at her. And of course separately, they are also
taking a very high profile right wing influencer Candice Owens
to court over unsubstantiated claims from her about Missus Macron's gender.

Speaker 2 (01:32:57):
Now, isn't the case that William was the one who
was able to basically get Andrew who agreed to move
out of Royal Lodge.

Speaker 27 (01:33:04):
Well, I think there's now what's being called by my
sources the longest running bitter sore, bitterest row in the
royal family for many, many years, with both sides now
briefing against one another. The King still wants his brother,
Prince Andrew to get out of the thirty one room

(01:33:25):
Windsor mansion called Royal Lodge in Windsor, and this rouse
dragged on for three years now, and apparently things have
got increasingly strained, particularly after, of course, all the recent revelations,
including just in the last couple of days, a picture
of Gilaine Maxwell, Jeffrey Epstein and Harvey Weinstein, all of

(01:33:50):
those people, of course now in one way, shape or
form accused of being sort of involved in child abuse
or sexual abuse while still in prison, and those three
pictured in Prince Andrew's garden. He had said it was
a garden, that it'd held a party, but it was

(01:34:10):
at Windsor Castle, but this shows that he had hosted
them two according to the most recent allegations, and now
we're getting news that Prince William has had a meeting
with Prince Andrew's two daughters, Princesses Eugenie and Beatrice. They
have been allowed to keep their titles, but I think
it's being made quite clear to them that they need

(01:34:30):
to put pressure on their father if they want to
remain as working roles and to keep those titles. Those
are the allegations. Nothing from Prince William. But it does
appear that this bad blood is getting really, really nasty.

Speaker 2 (01:34:42):
It does sound a little bit like that. Hey, Gevin,
thanks very much, really appreciated this. Devin Gray, our UK correspondent,
hither a beautiful straight drive for four by your boyfriend,
elegant stroke. Thank you, Simon. We know who he's talking
about now, Ben and Jerry. So what's happened is one
of the co founders have been in Jerry's ice Cream
has gone on the Instagram and claim that Ben and
Jerry's has been blocked from making pro Gaza ice cream

(01:35:05):
by its parent company, Unilever. This guy doesn't His name
is Ben Cohen. He's the Ben and Ben and Jerry's.
I don't think he's It doesn't sound like he's got
much to do well. Certainly, isn't the majority shareholder anymore.
You know, he doesn't get to call the shots. Unilever does.
But the problem is Ben and Jerry's have a bit
of a history of making ice cream for activists causes,

(01:35:26):
like when they wanted to make one to draw attention
to climate change. They made one called it Save Ours World,
and they had one for same sex marriage I think
was Ido Ido. They had one for resettling refugees in Europe.
So this is part of the thing that they do, right,
and they wanted to do one for Gaza, but they
weren't allowed. So he went on the Instagram and he
decided he's going to do it himself.

Speaker 19 (01:35:46):
All I got here is some watermelon and a plain
pain container. We need you to help come up with
the other ingredients for this sorbet and the name for it,
as well as for the planed pain. You know, you
need to have a design on the paint. Revolutions are creative.

(01:36:07):
Let's see some of that creativity, do.

Speaker 3 (01:36:09):
You know what.

Speaker 2 (01:36:09):
I'm fascinated to see how this plays out, because I mean,
he's a reasonably you know, well known person. He's standing
there mashing some some watermelon into a big bowl and
he's got a Ben and Jerry's pint. As he calls it,
like an ice cream tub that's got no markings on it.
So I'm quite interested to see if they managed to
pull this one off. People come through with some ideas,

(01:36:31):
some ingredients ideas, some name ideas, some creative design ideas,
and you know how this plays out. Let's watch the space.
As they say, going away from seven.

Speaker 1 (01:36:41):
It's the Heather Tooper see allan Drive full show podcast
on iHeartRadio powered by Newstalk ZB.

Speaker 2 (01:36:48):
Heather, I've got no problem with the exclamation marks, but
the emails that start with a gentle reminder make me murderous.

Speaker 5 (01:36:57):
You know.

Speaker 2 (01:36:59):
Yeah, lots of things make me feel much the same
actually in the emails. But yeah, anyway, I'm gonna get
myself in trouble if I elaborated anymore. It's six away
from seven.

Speaker 4 (01:37:08):
Listen.

Speaker 2 (01:37:08):
I could not let the show finish without me telling
you what you should be buying yourself. Meghan's candles have arrived.
You know we're talking about Meghan, our friend Megan Markle.
You can buy one of the candles that she uses
in her own Californian home. She said, this is the
If you want your home to smell like Hazzar and
Mes's home, you need to buy yourself candle number eighty four,

(01:37:29):
zero eight four. It's a quote elegant mix of sandalwood,
water lotus and California poppy. I have no idea what
water lotus in California POPPI smell like. But you know
the sandal would's quite nice, isn't it. And if you think, oh, jeezus,
eighty four candles, no, they don't have eighty four candles.
Eighty four is a marker of her birthday zero eight four,
as in August fourth. You can also have another care

(01:37:51):
if that's not you. If you're like I don't want
to smell like those guys, well you can have the
one that's inspired by their wedding. It's called number five,
five hundred and nineteen because it's May the nineteenth. It's
a mix of Moroccan mint leaf, white tea leaves, and cardamom.
And you're gonna you're gonna want to start saving now
if you want to buy it for somebody for Christmas,
because one hundred and ten dollars wasn't it?

Speaker 15 (01:38:10):
Ants for a box of candles, or for the one
for ages.

Speaker 2 (01:38:15):
The one well, you know it's not you don't want,
you don't want to understand like you're gonna make it's
got to be pricey to have your house small, A miser.

Speaker 15 (01:38:22):
Mum's going to be like you what you only got
me a candle for Christmas? Oh no, no, you don't understand.

Speaker 2 (01:38:25):
And here's the price tag.

Speaker 8 (01:38:26):
Mate.

Speaker 2 (01:38:27):
Now, sad day for you ants because you were a
big fan of Faulty Towers and Prunella Scales has died
at the age of ninety three, and she was Sybil
who spent most of the time tearing Basil to shreds.

Speaker 16 (01:38:38):
Do you really imagine, even in your words streams, that
I'm gonna.

Speaker 2 (01:38:43):
Like this could possibly be interested in an aging brilliantine
stick insect light? You do you remember when we were
first manacled together.

Speaker 26 (01:38:55):
We used to laugh quite a lot, Yes, but not
at the same time.

Speaker 4 (01:38:59):
That's all I thought.

Speaker 25 (01:39:00):
The Korean moore, you know I it.

Speaker 2 (01:39:06):
Was in the catering Corey us to poison them, cannot.

Speaker 26 (01:39:11):
Can't fall overweight, does.

Speaker 2 (01:39:12):
Not get herself jammed under desks or start.

Speaker 26 (01:39:15):
Burglar alarms or a lot of people in burning rooms
or fire fire extinguished.

Speaker 2 (01:39:18):
Straight in her own face.

Speaker 16 (01:39:19):
But I should think the hotel can do without a
sort of coping for a couple of days.

Speaker 2 (01:39:22):
What do you think that's? Is that your favorite? But ants,
it's quite good.

Speaker 15 (01:39:26):
If we've played all my favorite bits from Faulty Towers,
we would have had to play the whole show.

Speaker 2 (01:39:30):
I laughed out loud twice.

Speaker 15 (01:39:31):
Then it's just I think possibly the best sitcom of
all time. And it came out a long time.

Speaker 2 (01:39:36):
So there you go. Okay, cool.

Speaker 15 (01:39:38):
What are you playing now? Love Will Tear Us Apart
by Joy Vision?

Speaker 2 (01:39:41):
Yes, hosts? Who are they?

Speaker 8 (01:39:44):
Poor?

Speaker 2 (01:39:45):
Joy Division?

Speaker 15 (01:39:45):
Joy Division? Yeah, Elbow, this is for you, mate. You
at the age of sixty two, you were that T
shirt as long as you like that was in the heather.

Speaker 2 (01:39:52):
I mean, look, let's be honest. They didn't have some
good bangers, didn't they. Anyway, thank you for that answer.
See you tomorrow. You still z

Speaker 1 (01:40:29):
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