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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Depressing the newsmakers to get the real story. It's Andrew
Dickens on Hither Duper Cellen Drive with One New Zealand
to coverage like no one else news.

Speaker 2 (00:10):
Talks it me.

Speaker 3 (00:12):
Well, good afternoon to youre welcome to the program. No
longer a prince who's pulled the pin on a historic
demotion for Andrew Mountbatten Windsor will have coverage from all
around the world all through the show the way Tonguey
Tribunal decides MARII and New Zealand citizens, no matter where
they're born and raised, will have those details. After five,
the Dark Destroyer Sean Wallace is in New Zealand.

Speaker 2 (00:34):
What's he up to?

Speaker 4 (00:35):
Why is he here?

Speaker 3 (00:36):
He's here in studio five point fifteen today and Elliott
Smith from Chicago to preview the Irish match which is
coming up Sunday morning our time. All this add more
correspondence from right around the world. You can have your say,
you can text meek ninety two ninety two small charge
does apply. It is eight after four. Andrew Dickens, the
man formerly known as Prince Andrew Mountbatten Windsor, has been

(01:01):
stripped of the title. He's been evicted from his house
on the Windsor estate. He's been sent into exile to
the east of England and the Sandringham Estate. That's the
royal enclave owned privately by the family. They're hoping he's
out of sight and out of mind, and not soon enough.
Andrew grated. Andrew was the diletton prince. Andrew was the

(01:27):
man who felt the world owed him a living. Andrew
was the man who wanted the money but took shortcuts
to get it. Andrew and his former wife have parleyed
their family links in the worst way. His lies have
been shown up time and time again. He's had a
lifetime of bringing the family down, and that's without even
mentioning the Epstein stuff. The only question is why it

(01:48):
took so long. So the queen couldn't do it because
Andrew was her son. But you know, brothers can hack
the sort of stuff, brothers can play hard. But I
have a theory that in fact William told his dad
to sort it. William has watched the generation before him
stumble and fall and then blag their way through. William

(02:10):
has had to live with his father's treatment of his mother,
dragged through the public for his whole life, William has
had to live with his uncle's embarrassments. But the uncertainty
is William will be king And in his recent interview
with Eugene Levy, he said there needs to be change
and this was the change that was needed so that

(02:31):
William can ascend to the throne and start a new
chapter free of the baggage of the past. So where's
Heather heads that oasis in the march spit with her
concert club, so she'll be back on Monday. Now here

(02:54):
is a question I never thought i'd ever have to
have to pose or ever have to ask, would you
can they're giving your cat ozempic if your cat is
a fat cat. Pet insurance companies are warning that pet
obesity is skyrocketing, and now a San Francisco animal medicine
company says ozempic like drugs can work just as well

(03:15):
on cats as they do on humans. So doctor Kath
Watson is a trustee for Healthy Pets. New Zealand joins
it's now Hella.

Speaker 5 (03:23):
Cat, Hi, how are you good?

Speaker 3 (03:26):
So if you had a fat cat, would you give
it a zimpic?

Speaker 6 (03:30):
Or they wouldn't be my first choice. And there's a
bunch of reasons for that because I don't think it
is the solution to everything, even for humans, and it's
likely to be really expensive, but hey, it's probably.

Speaker 3 (03:41):
Coming Okay, Well, they call GLP one drugs. They work
mainly as an appetite suppressant. If we, as cat owners
control how much our cats eat, aren't we the ones
responsible for making them not get fat and not the
ones who should be choosing to give them drugs?

Speaker 7 (04:02):
Yeah?

Speaker 6 (04:02):
Absolutely, that should always be the first choice. And you know,
anytime you're dealing with a health issue, you want to
do the best that you can and try and give
the best welfare outcome for your pets. Just using drugs
as certainly a fairly quick shortcuts. So yeah, absolutely we

(04:23):
have full control over their food intake. But hey, life
dets in the way it does for humans, it does
for the way we manage our pets as well, and
sometimes actually things get out of control.

Speaker 7 (04:35):
So like that.

Speaker 6 (04:36):
It's not an option right now, but in the future
it could be. I wouldn't completely rule it out, but
I wouldn't be relying on it either.

Speaker 3 (04:43):
Yeah, catch it so tricky. You know, you may feed
them properly, but of course they're mooching around the neighbors
and they're maybe doing their own ratting and mousing as well,
and they'll never say no. But the love of the
issue is this, how bad is pet obesity?

Speaker 6 (05:00):
I don't have an actual figure for you, but it's
pretty bad and getting worse. I think anything we see
in the human world teams to end up reflected in
our pets. Unfortunately, so b cly sits in that category.
We are loving them to be basically, and we are
loving them with food, which is, you know, there's way
better ways to love your cat. Spending some time interacting

(05:21):
with them other than feeding them would be a really
good start.

Speaker 3 (05:24):
So if you've got a fat cat. So, if you've
got a fat cat, have you got any tips about
how to get their weight down?

Speaker 2 (05:32):
Yeah?

Speaker 6 (05:32):
Well, the first thing is be really aware of how
much food you're giving and the fact that what looks
like a really small amount to you relative to their
body size actually can be quite a lot. To understanding
the calorie count to start with, making sure that the
whole family's on board so that there's not multiple people
feeding them. But when you get that, you know when

(05:54):
they're bugging you to feed them or what you think
is bugging you to feed them. Try playing with them
in stead. Stick a screwed up piece of paper on
the end a piece of string. It doesn't need to
be something fency and get them playing, get them chasing.

Speaker 8 (06:07):
And what about?

Speaker 9 (06:08):
What?

Speaker 3 (06:08):
What about what I just said as well, Because the
problem is you feed the cat and then the cat
goes merching around the neighbors. I mean, how do you
control the intake of food that is given by your neighbors,
who again are loving your cat to death.

Speaker 7 (06:21):
Well there's a couple of solutions to that.

Speaker 6 (06:23):
One would be, you know, seriously, consider containing your cat.
There's a bunch of reasons that that's good for them.
It doesn't have to be keeping them locked up inside,
but you can contain them on your property if it's tensed,
using special fencing that they can't get over. You could
build something like a caddyo, which is an outdoor contained
area for them. But otherwise, really it's going and talking

(06:46):
to your neighbors and saying, hey, if you see my cat,
please don't feed it, putting a week tag on their
collar to say you know I'm overweight, please don't feed me,
or just please don't feed me.

Speaker 3 (06:57):
I have a home elsewhere good, pretty good at telling
you good stuff. Kat and Kath is the veterinarian healthy
Pets New Zuer than trust either Dr Kath Watson. And
it is fourteen minutes after after four and Mary says, hello, No,
I'm not feeding you, mate, No, you get away, you moocher.
Mary says, I love a fat can. Taylor says I

(07:18):
have never had a fat pet. Dogs, walk them, cats,
feed them properly. And Taylor, on the topic of Ozmpics, says, mate,
oh hell no, feed that fat bastard less. It's pretty simple, really,
I'm sure it has an escape. You'll notice that we've
got a big old rugby match happening this Sunday and
it's happening in Chicago and it's against the Irish. And
Jason Pine is here in just a few moments time

(07:38):
to talk about the hype which is happening in Shytown.

Speaker 1 (07:44):
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Speaker 3 (07:56):
It seventeen after four, Let's talk sport. Jason Pine, good,
good afternoon to you. Excuse me, no that I don't
even know what day is, what part of the day. Well,
today is Friday and here comes the weekend and what
you're doing A call on Auckland f C Adelaide.

Speaker 10 (08:12):
Yes, tomorrow afternoon five o'clock, so in about twenty five
hours from now, be a sconsted go Media looking forward
to it. Actually, Adelaide and Auckland FC last year a
four all draw at go Media one of the better
games in a pretty good season for Auckland FC. So yeah,
let's hope for as many goals tomorrow and.

Speaker 3 (08:29):
Then on Sunday morning we're all up early. We're not
too early. Actually, its actually a quite a nice time
actually on a Sunday morning to watch the Allbanks versus Ireland.
The team in Chicago twenty sixteen beat us today was
naming day. Any surprises, No, I don't think so.

Speaker 10 (08:43):
I think the players who have come back into the
team who didn't play the last time, which was in Perth,
were largely predictable. Boaden Barrett coming back in at first five,
Caleb Clark onto the left wing, and Ethan de Groot
into the front row.

Speaker 3 (08:54):
There may have been a.

Speaker 10 (08:55):
Case for to Mighty Williams to keep his spot on
the front row and Ethan de Group perhaps to come
off the bench, although I get the feeling with Ethan
he's a starting prop rather than an impact prop and
to Mighty Williams, as we know, can add real impact
off the bench. So yeah, apart from that, it's a
fairly predictable side Ireland. Yes, you say twenty sixteen soldier Field,
I don't think there are any scars left, you know,

(09:17):
nine years later, even though there were two or three
guys from both sides who played in that game. I
think the All Blacks will be okay. Ireland haven't played
since March. A bunch of their guys were in the
Lions team in Australia. But yeah, I get the feeling
that the All Blacks will go in his favorite and
Andy Farrell.

Speaker 3 (09:30):
Andy Farrell wasn't involved with him because he was seconded
to the Lions, you know, so Andy hasn't been with
his team for a long time. They were playing games
against themselves at the last Fortnite just because they're so rusty.

Speaker 10 (09:41):
Yeah, And I wonder whether that rustiness is a thing
or because you often say, don't JK, are they underdone
rusty as you say, or are they fresh coming in. Hey,
we haven't any Rugby. We're chomping at the bit we
want to get out there.

Speaker 4 (09:53):
I think it might be the former Andrew.

Speaker 10 (09:55):
I guess we'll find out on Sunday.

Speaker 3 (09:57):
Motor Racing, of course, we're all looking to see whether
Liam Lawson is going to have a gig next year.
And here is something that's possibly in his favor, because
American media reckons that Yuki Sonoda is set to join
an IndyCar team.

Speaker 10 (10:10):
Yeah, Dale Coin Racing is the male that's been floating
around today. His links to Honda Sonoda. Of course, that
could save in five of the twelve IndyCar teams are
backed by Honda. Even if he wasn't going Andrew, I
kind of get the feeling that his was the head
or the seat that was on the chopping block. Anyway,
I kind of think Haja is safe. We know for

(10:32):
Stappan is safe, and I think Liam will probably also
be okay, particularly if this news is true because it
was always five and to four. There's also the young Lindblad,
the youngster coming in who is also in the mix.
You know, five and to four didn't go. Four and
to four does go quite neatly. That's good maths from me.
So I wonder whether Liam might be okay. Keith Sanoda

(10:54):
goes to IndyCar and is.

Speaker 3 (10:56):
This IndyCar team powered by Honda or not?

Speaker 10 (10:59):
Yes, well five of the twelve are, including dale Coin
racing yees.

Speaker 3 (11:03):
So that's another thing in favor of Yuki actually going
that this rumor may be true. So that's a very
good thing, and I thank you very much. That is
Jason Pine. Of course our we can sport all the
way through the weekend. It is for twenty one. We
had a big debate about whether we were going to
talk about giving cats at zempic this morning and whether
it was actually going to be a thing we should
talk about. We decided to talk about it, after all,
it's a Friday and you're liking to talk about it

(11:23):
as well. Claire tells me that they had a chonky cat,
a chonky cat who lived to be twenty one, absolutely gorgeous,
and a fat cat is really coly and another texta
says keep your cats are your property where they should be.
If they come and crap in my garden and dig
up new plants, there will be a bowl of anti
freeze to feed them. Should be the same rules for
cat ladies as well as dog owners. Thank you, Chuck

(11:46):
for your texts for twenty one. The big Story of
course Andrew Andrew Mountbatten Windsor no longer a prince. What
did did you Frey family think about all of this?
We've got some of that for you coming up very shortly.
News Talks NB for twenty.

Speaker 1 (12:01):
Two, Digging deeper into the day's headlines, it's Andrew dickens
on hither duplessy Ellen dry with one New Zealand coverage
like no one else.

Speaker 3 (12:10):
News talks 'b fortuny four The big story of the
world Andrew Mountbatten Windsor. It's going to take a long
time to get used to not saying Prince Andrew, same
as it took me ages to get over saying King
Charles instead of Prince Charles. Because these things have been
here and with us for a very long time. I'm
named after Andrew. I've got loads of friends same age
as me Andrew because our parents heard the name Andrew's.

(12:32):
That's a great name. He's had a big infancy, he's
been big news. Taylor Reckins, It's good that Andrew's been
stripped even if he doesn't like it, William will be
king and Taylor reckins that it's imperative that he can
bring a fresh new energy and relevance to the royal family,
So get rid of the last generation. Now, the text
to feels so sorry for Andrew's daughters and families. That
is true enough. Meanwhile, how's the family of Virginia Jaffrey feeling, because,

(12:56):
of course it was the release of that book, which
is the final nail in Andrew's really after years decades
of bad headlines, just the Epstein thing, and then this
book that came out just weeks ago, the final nail
in the coffin the family have been asked by BBC
and here is Virginia's sister in law, Amanda Roberts.

Speaker 4 (13:14):
I just had a moment where.

Speaker 11 (13:15):
I broke down because it is surreal that she's not
here and that she didn't get a chance to see
this in her lifetime. But it's amazing and everything that
she fought.

Speaker 12 (13:27):
For was not in vain.

Speaker 3 (13:29):
Meanwhile, Virginia's brother, a fellow by the name of Sky.
He's happy, but he says Andrew still needs to face
up to what he's done. In a legal sense. I
commend the King.

Speaker 11 (13:39):
I think he's doing an amazing job as a world
leader setting a precedent, but we need to take it
one more step further.

Speaker 3 (13:46):
He needs to be behind bars now. I know that
there's more talk of trying to get Andrew to America
to actually face up to a committee to actually talk
about the Epstein files and his relationship with Jeffrey Epstein.
With that will be more easy now that he is
no longer within the royal family as a prince. I
don't know, but certainly this story for Andrew has not

(14:08):
gone away. No matter how long he skulks and hides away.
It's Andrew him estate. But the story is ongoing, and
as Guy said, there are some legal things that need
to be answered. And this is making news all over
the world. So Dan Mitchison is out of the United
States of America in about ten minutes. Time to talk
about the American reaction.

Speaker 2 (14:29):
Andrew dickens for twenty six.

Speaker 3 (14:32):
If you're listening, last night, Barry Sofa had a scoop
and the scoop was all about Andrew Bailey, and I
listened to it and I got to the end of
it and I felt real sympathy for Andrew Bailey. It
is easy to destroy innocent people with accusations, but they
have to stand up in the fullness of time and
it seems like in this case they do no do not.

(14:54):
So Andrew did the right thing for his party he quit,
but it was the wrong thing for him personally. Not
that the past he cared because the party were read
of a negative headline shows you just what a nasty
business politics is. So the Prime Minister was asked by
our reporter a Zaria Powell while he was he was
in Korea the other day, what do you say after

(15:15):
the revelation that you know there was no accusation, there
was no real investigation. Well, what did he say? Barry
Soper was going to join us in.

Speaker 1 (15:23):
Fifteen Today's Newsmakers talk to Andrew First, Andrew Dickens on
here the duplesy Ellen Drive with One New Zealand and
the Power of satellite mobile news Talk said, be.

Speaker 3 (15:44):
Of course you're holding me to accounts and that's a
good thing. I read out of text and obviously why
did you read out that text about that guy who
feeds the anti freeze to stray cats to come into
his property and said well, you want to see the
horror that's out there. It's just reflective of the community
that somebody said, please please tell the people to use
hat repellents and not poison to deter cats, as to
legal to poison cats, not to mention very cruel. You

(16:05):
don't mess with cat lovers, that's for sure. And the
other point I'm being held to account on and it's
a very good point and I understand Andrew can't believe
that you and Piney didn't bring up the biggest sports
event this weekend. The Red Army is out all weekend.
Tonga is playing the kiwis And Rugby League at Eden
Park this Sunday at six pm and the Red Army

(16:28):
is out. The Pacific community knows how to support their
favorite team, the biggest rugby league game in Auckland. Didn't
get a mention from you or Piney, and I'm sorry,
and it is true. It is huge. The hype about
this is always huge when it comes to Tonga. I
mean we've seen them at Mount Smart they turned the
whole place red. The New Zealand team doesn't feel like
they're playing at home this time. The game's at Eden Park.

(16:51):
Can they sell out the ground. Can they turn back
ground red? And I don't know if you've driven around
South Auckland lately. Oh my goodness, every car adorned with
red flags. There are red flags fluttering all over the place.
So it's going to be a great game. Word of warning,
a word of caution to the Tom fans. Of course,
you lost to some more and we beat some more,
so you know, maybe your confidence is misplaced. But that's okay.

(17:14):
If you live here, you've got two great teams to support.

Speaker 2 (17:17):
It's the World Wires on News Talks. They'd be drive.

Speaker 3 (17:22):
Yes, it is twenty three to five. And to the
big story. Andrew mount Batten Windsor reportedly did not object
to the King's decision to remove his princely titles. He's
now going to have to move out of the Royal Lodge.
He'll no longer be referred to as His Royal Highness.
And here's how the BBC Question Times studio audience responded

(17:42):
when the news broke.

Speaker 13 (17:44):
The King has initiated a process, so we're going to
discuss this.

Speaker 3 (17:49):
Prince Andrew will no longer be Prince Andrew. Yes, indeed,
a smattering of applause, But CNN Royal correspondent Max Foster says,
this won't necessarily be the end of the story.

Speaker 2 (18:04):
He still gets a house.

Speaker 8 (18:06):
He's going to be moved to a smaller house on
the private sandy In estate.

Speaker 2 (18:10):
The King will pay his income.

Speaker 14 (18:12):
So some people already suggesting that still speaks to a
cover up.

Speaker 3 (18:16):
If you like, more was damaged in just a few
minutes time. And finally Kim Kardashian the gift that never
stops giving. Kim Kardashian thinks the moon landing was faked.
She's explained her reasoning to one of her costars on
the Kardashians tele show.

Speaker 2 (18:33):
I'm Sunny You Like so far?

Speaker 15 (18:35):
A million articles interviews with both buzz Aldrin and Yes
the other one do it?

Speaker 9 (18:40):
Miss Cross says what was the scariest moment? And he goes,
there was no scary moment because it didn't happen.

Speaker 12 (18:46):
It could have been scary, but it wasn't because it
didn't happen.

Speaker 3 (18:49):
Now, now, can I just say, I've met buzz Aldron
and if you dare ever suggest that it's a fake,
that the moon Lady was a fake, You'll take your
head off, it really will. He gets right under his
skin and NASA has responded by saying the nineteen sixty
nine landing did really happen. But they would say that,
wouldn't they.

Speaker 1 (19:06):
International Correspondence with Ends an Eye Insurance Peace of Mind
for New Zealand Business.

Speaker 3 (19:13):
Dan Mitchenson, Welcome to the program.

Speaker 9 (19:16):
Hello Andrew.

Speaker 3 (19:18):
So it's the big story around the worlds. What's the
reaction in the States to King Charles stripping Andrew of
his prince.

Speaker 15 (19:25):
Well, I think it's it's for royalists over here. I
think it's a little bit of a surprise. Others may
say not so much. The family has been reacting, of course,
for the family, I'm talking about Virginia Jiuffrey, who accused
the prince of sexually abusing her, and they released a
statement they're calling this a victory, and they said, you know,

(19:47):
this is an ordinary American girl from an ordinary American
family brought down a British prince with their truth and
an extraordinary courage. But I think they're going to continue
to go after as you just mentioned in the World Wires.
Now that the fact that he's still going to have
a comment nation and he's still got to get a
salary that, you know, I think they still want more
accountability held.

Speaker 3 (20:07):
True, true, but that that salary and that accommodation is
provided on the grace of the king and not from
the text payer. Yes, so that's the thing. I heard
some talk that now that he is no longer a prince,
they'll be even more precire to get him over to
testify to your politicians about Epstein.

Speaker 15 (20:25):
I think there will be I mean that that that
could be dragged out for years though, I mean, you know,
back and forth as this continues to go down, and
we'll see if any more accusations come out as well.
You know, it seems like they try to bury this
and then there's something new that came out. And I think,
you know, that was the hope that, you know, when
the queen took care of this when she was still alive,

(20:47):
that this might kind of go away.

Speaker 2 (20:48):
But it didn't, did it.

Speaker 15 (20:49):
I mean, the book came out, and then the king
has taken some you know, what some might say are
extraordinary measures for this to to, you know, to give
it more transparency.

Speaker 3 (20:59):
Exactly now to your king, well, you know, to your
President Donald Trump, what was he really saying when he
talked about resuming nuclear testing, Because, as I understand it.
That's an enormously complicated and extremely expensive and dangerous measure
to take. But what was he actually trying to do.

Speaker 15 (21:22):
Well, I think that's what everybody's trying to read between
the lines right now, because this kind of came out
at left field. It started just minutes before he met
with China's president and he posted on a social media
site that he had instructed the Department of War to
start testing our nuclear weapons on an equal basis. Vice
President ja d Vance got into this. He was asked

(21:43):
a few hours ago about what the President meant, and
he said, you know, I mean, he's going to repeat
what the President said, but basically said the media post
speaks for itself. The news outlets have been going over
to the White House trying to say, Okay, what exactly
does this mean? And the White House is only saying
that it was quote potentially the case that the President
was referring to testing that fits within the current norms,

(22:05):
because they said this, you know, you have to test
these things sometimes, you got to make sure they're functioning,
they're working properly.

Speaker 3 (22:11):
Yeah, but the only country that's been doing tests recently
is in North Korea. Everybody else are actually trusting their
models and trusting their systems, and trusting the research that
they've already done. Because the letting off of any nuclear weapon,
presumably underground because you know, in the year, would not
actually cut it any of that sort of thing. It
doesn't actually prove anything, and it would actually bring you

(22:31):
down to the level of North Korea.

Speaker 15 (22:34):
Well it would, it would, And that's why I think
that that maybe, as we know, the President tends to
speak first sometimes and you know, think after he has spoken,
So maybe this was one of those occasions where he
just happened to be a little overeager and the White
House will kind of be backing off on some of
those comments, or at least trying to do some spin

(22:55):
control or spin damage control in the in the in
the coming days.

Speaker 3 (22:59):
Now, Ie I used have been asked to suspend immigration
enforcement actions for Halloween.

Speaker 15 (23:05):
Yes, which is already today for you guys, and it's
tomorrow for us, and he has requested that Homeland Security
and ICE officials kind of back off on this starting
tomorrow through Sunday. They want to allow children to participate
in Halloween activities safely. And we're seeing a lot of
obviously Hispanics and Mexicans who have backed away from public
celebrations or meetings because of fear over these ice raids.

Speaker 2 (23:28):
Over here.

Speaker 15 (23:28):
There have been a number of days like the Day
of the Dead celebration that's coming up. That's a big
holiday in that country and celebrated quite a bit over
here in the US, that are being modified because of
concerns about these raids. And Chicago's been a big battleground,
and it's been a big part of a debate over
immigration enforcement.

Speaker 3 (23:46):
And Dan and I thank you so much, Dan Mitchison
out of the United States of America. I mean, if
I stood a raid in your neighborhood, would you actually
sit there going? Boy, this Halloween is looking just a
bit too real. This trickle treating has gone a little
bit too far. They're doing it with guns and mars
and knives. And it's coming up sixteen to five. Halloween.
By the way, longtime tradition in the States. In Canada,

(24:08):
it's Tonight celebrations spread to many countries over the years,
coming here, hasn't it. Celts believe the ghosts of the
dead roam the earth on this day, so people will
dress in costumes and leave treats at their front doors
to appease them so they don't actually break in stuff.
Poll out today shows that eighty percent of New Zealanders

(24:28):
do not support Halloween. And I would argue that's possibly
because they don't have kids, and they don't want to
have their doors knocked upon, and they don't have any
treats to give them anyway, it's a house invasion. You
could almost say that, there we go. It's sixteen to five.
It's news talks. He had been buried Soper with the
latest on the Bailey case, the Bailey revelations, exclusive to

(24:49):
this show yesterday, and also his thoughts on Andrew Mountbatten Windsor.

Speaker 1 (24:55):
Politics with centrics credit check your customers and get payments certainty?

Speaker 3 (25:00):
So bad, good Andrew, how are you very well? Head
is not here because she's gone to Melbourne to see
Oasis with the Concert Club. And I'm surprised that you
didn't go as well, because, as I said, when you
walked and I could see you in a mosh pit
wearing wearing the hat, doing the jump.

Speaker 16 (25:14):
But someone has to look after the kids.

Speaker 3 (25:19):
So the big story, of course is Andrew Mountbatten Windsor.
And this affects us because of our constitution. Obviously we
have to we'll have to react to this properly. Well
we do, because at the.

Speaker 16 (25:30):
Moment Andrew Windsor is eighth in line to the throne.
Now it's beyond the King, King Charles, to make that change.
And the change I think is inevitable that he will
be because he's not obviously not seen to be fit
to be a royal, so he obviously could never be

(25:50):
a monarch, even if he is eighth in line to it.
So there is legislation that we have to enact to
bring that about, and that not only in New Zealand,
it's in England and all those countries who belong to
the Commonwealth realm. They've got to move the same act,
and I think everybody will.

Speaker 4 (26:10):
I mean, the.

Speaker 16 (26:13):
Audacity of this man, I think has been incredible. And
somebody said to me today there's a book come out.
I think it's called entitled, and they've suggested that I
read it because it is about Sarah Ferguson and Andrew,
and they said it's unbelievable reading about entitlement.

Speaker 3 (26:32):
Oh of course, I started my program by saying that
before the Epstein stuff, he was already getting up our
noses because he believed that he should get money. He
was parlaying their family name all over the place for
almost no influence whatsoever, but he believed that he was
worth it. I mean, the arrogance of the man is astounding.

Speaker 16 (26:48):
Yes, you know, it's an ignoman is ignominious way to
end something like this in somebody's life. But honestly, I
think I don't think there will be any regret when
it comes to the Queen though, will be turning in
her grave because he was her favorite son.

Speaker 3 (27:04):
Yeah, which is probably why she couldn't do it. But
of course Charles can do it because you know how
brothers are, and I reckon that. William actually said, look Dad,
look when I take over, I want a clean sheet,
I want a fresh start.

Speaker 16 (27:15):
Well, apparently William is planning to remove not royal titles,
but a money paid to anyone that is not a
working royal, so you know he's going to make changes
as well. But the sounds of things.

Speaker 3 (27:27):
Look, it was very moving radio for me yesterday listening
to head the show with you and of course the
scoop you had Andrew Bailey. It turns out there was
no complaint and the investigation was only partly fulfilled, and
he felt that it was bad and so he resigned.
And of course that he had the whole issue of
the Prime Minister not being able to answer if he
could sack him. And I felt very very sad for Andrew.

(27:48):
Those sorts of things ruin a name. You said a
very smart things to me this afternoon that you know,
the first thing if you google Andrew Bailey, the first
thing will come up is an accusation that was never made.

Speaker 16 (27:58):
He had resigned under a cloud. Well, in fact, the
only cloud was misrepresentation that he was told that three
witnesses to his behavior and grabbing a young man's arm
above the elbow, and he says he grabbed it he
was jousting with him, saying we can do this, and

(28:19):
that was misconstrued, and a Department of Internal Affairs inquiry
hadn't even begun when he was told by the Prime
Minister's offers that in fact, he was very.

Speaker 3 (28:33):
Bad kills He's very seriously, very serious, is very bad.
But what I like then is that you and Heather
both said, well, this actually explains that car wreck of
an interview that Mike Hoskin did with the Prime Minister
where he couldn't answer a question in three minutes time
about whether he would have sacked and Bailey. So the
Prime Minister was asked about this overnight. Yes, he was

(28:55):
about midnight last night.

Speaker 16 (28:57):
He said then, quite plainly, yes he would have stacked
Andrew Bailey if he hadn't resigned for what. I'm not sure,
But Luxan then went on to say he had faith
in the Department of Internal Affairs.

Speaker 17 (29:10):
I trust DIA and the bottom lineers that I had
information at the time and information today. I look at
it and I go, Yep, he made the right decision.
It was his choice to resign. There were concerns that
were raised with DIA. They would put to Andrew. He
made a decision to resign, and I accept for that resignation.

Speaker 16 (29:27):
Well, I've got a letter in front of me from
the Department of Internal Affairs and it simply said that
number one, no formal complaints was or has been made
about mister Bailey's conduct. The DIA had not commenced or
concluded an investigation into the matter, and yet he was

(29:48):
being told something else. Now, that is a letter right
out of a letter from the DIA. In back of
my I think this man has been badly treated. He
doesn't blame the Prime Minister's department, and probably rightly so,
because they acted on what they had been told by
the d.

Speaker 3 (30:03):
Yeah, the Prime Minister was just as miss missing Fort
as Andrew Baby was. Yest to go, got to go
a mess. Barrett, you're back, Barry will be back after
six revealing the entire week in politics. This is us
talk to you, but it is eight minutes to five.

Speaker 1 (30:19):
The headlines and the hard questions. It's the Mic Hosking
breakfast sence of satisfaction.

Speaker 7 (30:24):
Oh very much so.

Speaker 18 (30:26):
As you say, eight eight Peren, eight eight and a
half percent is a pretty good turnout from out from
a Shielders. That goes the thumbs up and endorsement that
we had another right direction.

Speaker 19 (30:32):
The road shows that you did. Was it always eighty
eight percent or did you have to work hard?

Speaker 3 (30:36):
Oh? No, we had to work hard.

Speaker 18 (30:37):
I mean, if I go back to when the announcement
was first made, you know, there's a few questions out
there and should expect from from a farmer Shielder. They
had a lot invested in this company, and so you
know we need to fifty percent. But we came out
really clearly and seen. You know, fifty per cent is
not good enough for us when we were on a
decent mandate, which we got the conversation around whether we
should be in consumers been on our agenda for call
it twenty years, if Hocking, if I'm honest.

Speaker 19 (30:56):
Back Monday from six am the Mic Hosking Breakfast with
Via News Talks.

Speaker 3 (31:01):
They'd be it's five minutes to five. Not everybody has
sympathy for Andrew Bailey, and I kind of understand that
he is a flinty character. Lez said that Andrew Bailey's
attitude was on full display at the previous event at
the winery that he got into some trouble with and
that's true enough. Another fellow, Glenn, has no sympathy for Bailey,
obviously took him on in an employment court scenario, because
remember Andrew Bailey was a very successful businessman and he

(31:24):
had many businesses, and yes, you end out in the
employment court and there are obviously people in those scenarios
who end out not liking you. Glenn really does not
like Andrew Bailey, who found him nasty and arrogant and
an idiot. But you know you were against him in
the first place. The point being though somebody made an accusation,
but then it was never made a complaint and then

(31:46):
that was misinformed too, misrepresented to Andrew and misrepresented to
the Prime Minister. So in this instance, on the on
the facts of this case, Andrew Bailey had a bad
run and it sits on your record forever because of
the Internet. And so we get another text who says
the Department of Internal Fairs people who misrepresent and should

(32:06):
be outed and fired. And I think I feel I
agree as well. The people who misrepresented it to the
Prime Minister, the people who misrepresented it to Andrew Bailey,
and then the Prime Minister felt compelled to run through
to the very end. So the story will rumble on
for a little bit, saying with Andrew mount batt and Windsor,
We're going to talk to a royal watcher Juliet reader

(32:30):
about why it happened, what else happened, and I'll put
it into some historical context for you. Plus a big
decision by the White Tangi Tribunal today which says that
if you've got some Mildi blood on you, and even
if you're living overseas and your two generations of living
overseas down you can get a New Zealand passport. So
what is the details of that and what are my
thoughts about that? All that's still to come next hour

(32:51):
here on Heather Drew P c Allen's Drive on news.

Speaker 1 (32:54):
Storks FB, the only drive show you can try to

(33:23):
ask the questions, get the answers, find the facts and
give the analysis. Andrew Dickens on Hither duplicy allan drive
with one New Zealand and the power of satellite mobile
news talks.

Speaker 3 (33:35):
It be welcommend to this Friday, the seven after five.
It's all over for Andrew, who is no longer a prince.
He will instead be known only is Andrew Mountbatten Windsor.
After King Charles stripped him of all his remaining titles.
Andrew will also be evicted from the Royal Lodge. He
will live in a small property on the Sandringham Estate.
The estate is personally funded by the King, so he's

(33:55):
not bludging on the taxpayers. Juliet Readan is a royal
commentary and joins us now from Sydney. Hello Juliet, Hello there,
So why do you think King Charles acted now?

Speaker 20 (34:08):
Oh?

Speaker 21 (34:08):
Look, I think we've been waiting for him to act
for a little while, but I think he had to.
I know that there was a lot going on behind
the scenes trying to work out exactly what he could
do legally and constitutionally. You know, normally to strip a
royal of their titles and honors involves an Act of Parliament,

(34:29):
So I think there's been a lot of work going
on behind the scenes. The King wanted to move as
swiftly and efficiently as possible. He didn't want to tie
up Parliament with time discussing this. He knew that he
needed to remove these titles and to remove Andrew from
royal lodge, and he was working out a way.

Speaker 15 (34:49):
To do it.

Speaker 3 (34:50):
How much do you think William had a hand in this,
because he will become king and he will want a
fresh start, and he wants the troubles of the last
generation behind him. Would he have been pushing his dead.

Speaker 18 (35:04):
Look.

Speaker 15 (35:04):
I think the.

Speaker 21 (35:06):
Actual decision would be purely the king's, but he certainly
would have spoken to Prince William and also to his wife,
Queen Camilla, who does a great deal of work with
vulnerable women, so she would have been pushing hard to
not have Andrew attached to the royal family. Anymore and
to remove those privileges. But yes, certainly the wider royals

(35:28):
would have been involved as well, but it would have
been King the king's decision decision.

Speaker 3 (35:33):
A couple of weeks ago Andrew relinquished his dukedom. Do
you think that bucking peals at the time thought that
might be enough.

Speaker 21 (35:42):
I think that was an interim measure whilst they were
trying to work out what they could do in a
more permanent way. I think they thought it would be enough.
Clearly it wasn't It only enraged people more. Certainly the
media talked a lot about it, but the British public
were outrage two. And the idea that this would be

(36:03):
discussed in Parliament, which was where we were moving to.
I think certainly put wind beneath the wings of the
royal workers there.

Speaker 3 (36:13):
And how mamnt a decision? Is this for the monarchy
people have seen? It's the biggest in the abdication of
King Edward. There was some under Henry the Eighth, the
Duke of Cumberland. I remember Becker after World War One.
But this is a big thing.

Speaker 19 (36:27):
This is a huge thing.

Speaker 21 (36:28):
Yes, I mean unprecedented is a word we use a
great deal but it really is unprecedented. As you pointed
out there, it's not since nineteen seventeen when Parliament brought
in the Titles Deprivation Act to authorize enemies of the
UK during the First World War to be deprived of
their British peerages. That was the last time that was wartime,

(36:53):
and that was because various British royals had close relations
to Germany, of course, and some held German titles. This
is entirely different. This is removing a title from a
man who has behaved inappropriately for the royal family. Now
he still vigorously denies those accusations against him, but it

(37:14):
has been clear that there have been serious lapses of judgment.

Speaker 3 (37:18):
Yes, and the palas specifically expressed sympathy for victims of abuse.
So there's a sign of which way they're thinking. The
feeling is.

Speaker 21 (37:29):
Running, yes, and I think in fairness it's the way
they are feeling as well. You know, we have been
waiting for the Palace to talk out about the victim
survivors and the victims. You know, Virginia's uphree remember took
her own life earlier this year. It's a deep tragedy

(37:50):
and the family have put out this very moving statement
about her declaring victory and that this ordinary America girl
has brought down a British prince. But the real tragedy
is taking her life. Under tragedy is that Jeffrey Epstein's
victims are still out there trying to have their stories

(38:12):
heard and trying to get the same sort of accountability
from other people who were involved in Jeffrey Epstein's world.

Speaker 3 (38:20):
All right, Juliet reader Juliette wonderful and I thank you.
Juliet is a royal commentator and author of a book
called The Royals in Australia. It is twelve after five, hib.

Speaker 4 (38:35):
All right.

Speaker 3 (38:35):
The White Tragging Tribune of the White Tonguey Tribunal has
said overseas born Malori children should get special citizenship rights.
So the current law only gives citizenship by descent to
one generation, which affects everybody who's going for this. However,
Judge Alanna Thomas has found this breaks the treaty. So
Susan Mary Downs is one of the lawyers who took

(38:56):
on the Crown and one season Welcome to the program, Kyoder,
so well walk me through this decision. The Tribunal has
now recommended that it be extended to two generations instead
of one for MARII Is that.

Speaker 22 (39:09):
Right, Yes, that's one of several recommendations, and the purpose
of that recommendation is to remove the immediate barriers that
those who are in that position will experience should they
make an application under the Act.

Speaker 3 (39:21):
Okay, so why should Mali get two generation rights when
others don't?

Speaker 22 (39:28):
I think that the recommendation is for all people who
are impacted to get second generation descent, So that won't
just be for Mali, that will be for all people
who are impacted by the act.

Speaker 3 (39:39):
Oh, and that would refer interesting and that is because,
of course the treaty is a partnership, so you know,
you're saying that what goes for one goes for the other.

Speaker 22 (39:48):
And the way that the legislation is currently framed, it
doesn't provide for any recognition of Maori descent or citizenship,
any recognition of t tidity at all. So yeah, treats
all people the same currently, whether they apply from New
Zealand or from overseas.

Speaker 3 (40:05):
You involve Keisha Castle Hughes in this case, is that right?

Speaker 22 (40:09):
Yes, that's right. She is one of her finite is
one of the families who have been impacted by the legislation,
and she provided compelling evidence along with mister Ruddick, detailing
how she felt she was impacted and how it caused
several impacts in relation to Fucker Papa, as well as
practical things like trying to get her daughter into school

(40:31):
and into the health services.

Speaker 18 (40:32):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (40:33):
Indeed, so she was born in Australia, but then she
spent a lot of time in New Zealand because now
she lives in America. Her daughter was born in America,
and she wants a New Zealand citizenship for her daughter,
who's never set foot in New Zealand.

Speaker 4 (40:46):
No, that's not correct.

Speaker 22 (40:47):
They've come back to New Zealand many, many times and
they're currently in New Zealand. But what was the issue
was that when they made application, and it took four
years to process the application, they couldn't be here for
any significant period of time and her daughter was class
as a tourist. That means that she couldn't even come
through the New Zealand citizenship line, and there were all
sorts of barriers to how they could remain in the country,

(41:07):
and she felt it was very unfair for her and
her family to be treated in that manner.

Speaker 3 (41:12):
Now I understand this that many of our listeners and
David Seymour would object to what they could consider special
rights for Maori. Do you think Mary are getting special
rights over parking? How with this recommendation by the tribunal.

Speaker 22 (41:26):
Like I said, there's several recommendations in the report.

Speaker 15 (41:28):
That is just one of them.

Speaker 22 (41:29):
And it's clear that Mary do have rights under the
cidity or White Tongey and it's Tagua ta fenua and
the report requires or recommends, sorry for it's non binding,
but it recommends to the government that they consider those
rights more fully and provides a pathway which is consistent
with the treaty principles for that to occur.

Speaker 3 (41:46):
All right, Seasons, and I thank you so much for
your time today. That is season Mary Downs, the lawyer
who won it the White Tonguey Tribunal. The decision has
made and I will tell you more about that decision,
and you know the ability of the White Tonguey Tribbunal
to to make decisions and what that really means a
little bit later on in the program. It is sixteen
minutes after five. Now hold onto your hats. The chasers

(42:06):
in town. Just arrived yesterday. Edge Sean Wallace, the Dark Destroyer,
why is he here? And we'll talk a bit about
rugby as well, because he's a big nut. It's all
to come in just a few moments time right here
on New Stalks. Here, b News Talks Here, b Elliot
Smith is in Chicago, getting ready to call the game.
Here live on Newstalks. Here be the Allbacks versus Ireland.

(42:28):
There's a lot of hype around this game. We'll talk
to him just after the five thirty news, but right now.
If you love the chase, and we love the chase,
it's in a perfect time on the TV, just before
the news. We love the final chase. If you do
love the chase, you're in for a treat because one
of the show's biggest stars is on our shores. Sean Wallace,
who's known as the Dark Destroyer, is touring New Zealand.
He swapped his Chase's chair for the quiz Master's mike,

(42:51):
and he's hosting events around the country to help raise
money for Cure Kids. So Sean Wallace, the Dark Destroyer
joins me now, Hello, Sewan.

Speaker 8 (42:58):
Good afternoon, and very good.

Speaker 3 (43:01):
What's that Jersey?

Speaker 2 (43:02):
Oh?

Speaker 8 (43:02):
It's a jersey my favorite team with the World Club
champions Chelsea.

Speaker 3 (43:07):
Absolutely, if you're wearing a football jersey in the middle
of all black country.

Speaker 8 (43:11):
I certainly am. But you and it is a black
Oh but you've.

Speaker 3 (43:16):
Got an all black jersey. You've got one last time
I have, So you've got.

Speaker 8 (43:19):
Mini, I've got loads of them. Chelsea are playing last night,
so you know victory and.

Speaker 3 (43:25):
You're here to do quizzers, yes, but not as a
quiz person, but as the quiz master.

Speaker 8 (43:32):
Well taking part in quizes to try and raise money
for a wonderful charity. So over the last six occasion
I've been to New Zealand, I've always basically used my
phone to chry and raise and shine a spotlight on
you know, charities who need to help, need to support.
So this year it's going to be Cure Kids, which
is fantastic.

Speaker 3 (43:51):
It's fantastic. Now on the quizzing, which we all we
know that seventy percent of your life is quizzing. Thirty
percent is a barrister. Yeah, still the story. But the
quizzing is how you've got international fame, you know, and
you have the worst win rate out of any chaser
seventy percent compared to end seventy nine percent. And my
question for you on this, yeah, do you throw them

(44:13):
on purpose?

Speaker 23 (44:14):
No?

Speaker 8 (44:14):
If I don't know the answer, I don't know the answer.
It's just a simple as that. I would never ever
throw a game. If I don't know the answer, I
don't know the answer. Conversely, on beat the Chasers, I've
got the highest percentage rate of ninety five percent.

Speaker 3 (44:27):
And if the chase has always one who watch it,
who would watch it?

Speaker 8 (44:32):
Nobody? Yeah, nobody?

Speaker 3 (44:33):
Okay, Well that's good. Do you prefer Do you like
being a quiz master instead of being.

Speaker 8 (44:39):
I like doing both. I can pick and choose when
I appear in courts nowadays, but more and more I'm
sort of gravitating towards it, you know, taking part in quizes,
hosting quizzes, using my fame in an altruistic way to
try and raise money for charities.

Speaker 3 (44:54):
The questions for the New Zealand two are going to
be as hard as the UK show.

Speaker 8 (45:00):
We'll wait and see, but I'm really looking forward to
hosting the twenty fifth anniversary of the New Zealand Quish
Championships in Eden Park. So that's fantastic.

Speaker 3 (45:08):
New Zealand's having their own version of the Chasers.

Speaker 8 (45:10):
Yeah, that's really really good. So Paul Henry is going
to be the new host. I think it's really good
that they've got some professional chasers who are experienced in
doing the show in terms of the Superherder now, but
I would really and dearly like to see a New
Zealand Chaser. Yeah, because there's some very very good quizzers
over here and it would be really really good that

(45:33):
New Zealand build up their own sort of quizzing heroes.

Speaker 3 (45:35):
Absolutely, so eight Quizzers, Christ You, Jimmycago White it up
at Mountain Long and the week book a Coy. Tickets
to all the ins on sale right now from ticket Master.
Thank you for your good work for the kids, yeah,
and for coming over here and having some fun.

Speaker 8 (45:49):
Well I'm having some fun. But as I said to
you Andrew, for me, sometimes, what's the point in being
famous if you can't use your fame and an artistic
way to try and help others.

Speaker 3 (45:57):
And all Beks versus Island. Who's going to win?

Speaker 8 (46:00):
I hope you all blacks win, But I do remember
three years ago when in the same venue that Ireland
basically beat you all blacks and they became the number
one ranked team in the world and everybody was thinking
that Ireland we're going to then going to win the
World Cup.

Speaker 3 (46:15):
It's a bit like Shaun Wallace being the taster, you
know if we win all the time.

Speaker 8 (46:20):
Who had watched exactly, So it's going to be an
interesting game.

Speaker 3 (46:24):
Very good stuff. So lovely to have you in here.
But of course you got that wrong because they last
won nine years ago in twenty sixteen, not three. So
have we got a buzzer? Can we buzzer? Can we buzzer?
Can we buzza shaw into stay? You go seeventy percent
win rape five twenty three news talks, it'd be the name.

Speaker 2 (46:43):
You trust to get the answers you need.

Speaker 1 (46:46):
It's Andrew dickens on hither Duplessy Island Drive with one
New Zealand coverage like no one else News talks, It'd
be all right.

Speaker 3 (46:54):
It was five twenty six. So so this decision White
Tongue You Tribunal decided that refusing citizenship to overseas board
mild children of citizens not born in New Zealand breaches
rights afforded under the Treaty. Right this is bound to
get under the skin of many New Zealanders. I'll see
it as another race based right that is not afforded
to others with familiar links to New Zealand. But season

(47:14):
just said that maybe we could all get this under
the treaty, But based on what we think in our
reading of it, we're not sure that that is true.
And I can see the point about race based rights
angering people. Mildi rights under the treaty are afforded to
the Tongue to Fenawa, the people of the land, but
this would be a right extended to people whose feet
have never ever touched the land of New Zealand. This

(47:35):
is a decision that goes back to generations, afforded to
families who have chosen another life in another country. If
we can all get this right, there'll be a rush,
absolutely be a total rush. Everybody want to do this.
It's an overreach. If you want to be a citizen,
come and be a citizen. But claiming a passport when
your link is some tenuous historical link through your blood,

(47:57):
I think is going a bit far. Your parents made
a choice, so your family needs to live with it
like everybody else. Is this an example of judicial activism?
That Winston Peter's railed on about. No, it's not because
a tribunal is not judicial. They are established by legislation
to resolve disputes. They are informal. They can be chaired
by judges, yes, but lawyers or lay people. For goodness sake,

(48:20):
Sir Richard Prebble judges said Colma. Sir Richard Prebble was
on the White Tonguy Tribunal for a while. Yeah, the
Human Rights Review Tribunal and the White Tongy Tribunal. They're
not governed by the Court SAT. They are not judiciary
and they only have limited power. So here's the thing.
This latest decision is nothing more than a recommendation made
by an activist quasi judiciary and challengeable under law, which

(48:43):
will be decided by the real judiciary and ultimately held
to account by the laws of the land, which is
set by the highest court of all, which is our
democratically elected Parliament. So if any of this happens, I
will be surprised. Andrew dickens, We're off to Chicago next.
We'll find out what the weather's like.

Speaker 14 (49:04):
Now.

Speaker 3 (49:04):
I guess they're coming into winter. It might be getting cool.
But Elliot Smith is there. There's Naming Day today and
then of course the sports huddle and we'll look at
all the sports. This is News Talks here, b I'm
in for Heather. She's at Oasis. She's back on Monday.

Speaker 1 (49:22):
On your smart speaker, on the iHeart app and in
your car on your drive home it's Andrew Dickens on
Hither Duplicy Ellen Drive with one New Zealand and the
power of satellite Mobile US Talks.

Speaker 23 (49:33):
That'd be.

Speaker 9 (49:35):
Mister, How did you.

Speaker 8 (49:46):
Welcome to the program?

Speaker 3 (49:47):
I'm Andrew Dickins, just here for one day only because
Heather's gone to Melbourne to see Oasis. I can just
see her jumping up and down in the moshpit with
a bucket hat on can't you singing along? Supersonic Good Honor.
She's got the little concert club and they go to
concerts and they go to some pretty wild ones to
It's pretty cool. It is twenty four to six now
on this White tonguey Tribunal recommendation regarding the ability to

(50:11):
get citizenship if your two generations down and living overseas.
You may have heard my surprise when season Mary Downs
suggested that this was a right that will be extended
to all people under the treaty, so that would mean
all people under the treaty, and certainly from British stock. Myself,
my family could take advantage of that. My boys have

(50:32):
a UK passport even though they were not born there,
but there are only one generation down. If their children
could also get a UK passport, that would not happen.
But this is what has been offered to Mardi, so
we were surprised when she suggested that that would be
would apply to all, so we wouldn't have the look.
The tribunal made three recommendations for the Crown to action immediately.

(50:54):
A men section eight two E of the Citizenship Act
nineteen seventy seven to food or terrao Maori provide mister
Ruddick with citizenship by grant if he wants it, because
he was one of the complainants. And the other explicit
recommendation was to extend citizenship by descent to two generations
for Mari, not for all New Zealanders, specifically for Mari.

(51:21):
No more, no less. So why season Mary Down said
that I don't know, But once again I come back
to the salient fact. This is a recommendation only and
it will still be up to the Parliament to actually decide,
and if it is decided, it can be challenged in
the legally under the eyes of the judiciary. This is

(51:42):
a decision by quasi judiciary. So it's a developing story.
It's twenty two to six. All right, big game this weekend.
The All Backs are aiming high in their Northern tour.
The first game is against Ireland in Chicago Sunday morning
our time. What's nine o'clock is the kick off?

Speaker 21 (52:00):
Is it not?

Speaker 3 (52:00):
And nine am because a number of people are texting
when then of course then they're off to the UK.
They'll play England, Scotland and Wales. Now, Mike Hosking and
starting prop Ethan de Groot. We're talking this morning and
both we're bringing with confidence for this tour and a
Grand Slam.

Speaker 19 (52:17):
I've got you four out of four. I see four wins.
If you're going to lose one, you'll lose this weekend.
But let's say four out of four?

Speaker 2 (52:22):
Am I wrong?

Speaker 7 (52:24):
Well that's that's all we're going four sir. I don't
think you're wrong.

Speaker 18 (52:28):
Man.

Speaker 3 (52:28):
A man in Chicago is Elliot Smith. You'll be doing
the call nine am. Gold Sport and news talks areb
and joins us.

Speaker 4 (52:34):
Now, Hello Elliott, Hello Andrew. Good to catch up from
the Windy City.

Speaker 3 (52:37):
Yeah, is it Wendy.

Speaker 4 (52:39):
It has been Wendy. Not too much at the moment.

Speaker 24 (52:41):
It's a chili late thusday evening, not too bad at
the moment, and conditions expected to be fine for Saturday's game,
which I guess is the most important thing.

Speaker 3 (52:50):
They're all talking Grand slams. That's what Ethan de Groot
said this morning they're going to do. Is that premature
to be talking so confidently perhaps of four victories?

Speaker 4 (53:00):
Possibly?

Speaker 24 (53:01):
But I like the confidence from Eat and Dgrud, and
I like the way that they're talking about it, that
this is on the line and if they fail on
Saturday local time, then the Grand Slam is gone at
the first turtle. So I kind of like and admire
the way that they've put it out there and gone,
this is what we want. This is the target they're
we're aiming for over the next four weeks across these
four test matches and the USA and the UK, and

(53:24):
we want it. And yeah, maybe a little bit premature,
but they put that target out there, and given the
results they've had a little bit up and down this
season to put a bounty on winning a Grand Slam.
I don't think it's the worst thing to galvanize the
team necessarily.

Speaker 3 (53:38):
Now Team naming day today, any surprises.

Speaker 4 (53:42):
Not really no, I think fairly straightforward.

Speaker 24 (53:44):
The injured players that missed out in Perth come back
in degrewed as you mentioned back in the side at
Lucid prop incomes Bowden barred and Caleb Clark as well.
And the surprise picks that were surprises in Perth three
or four weeks back retain their spots and talking Peter
larkhe at number eight in Quinte Pyre at center, so
they retain their jersays and otherwise a silly straightforward team

(54:06):
from Scott Robertson. There'll be some changes over the course
of this tour, but given they haven't played for three weeks,
he's rolled out the same team at one in person
hopes they'll do again in the same on Saturday local times.

Speaker 3 (54:16):
And Ireland hasn't played together no summer tour for them
because of the Lions, so they haven't played in a
long time. They've been forced to actually play each other
to get a little bit more match fit. They'll be underdone.

Speaker 24 (54:26):
They will be underdone, and it's for the All Blacks
attack advantage of that fact. I think the thing is
with the Irish, they've got a lot of combinations. Seven
of the eight four back play at leinster the starting side,
so there's a lot of inherent combinations therefore, and in
eight combinations. Therefore, the Irish, as it stands that you're right,
they haven't played together for quite some time. They've been

(54:47):
on Lions duty, they've been around the place and haven't
had time in camp together. They came over very early,
about a week earlier than the All Blacks, roughly or
maybe five or six days, so they've had a lot
of time in camp. Just try and get those combinations
back to ye that. The other thing, of course, is
Andy Farrell comes back in after his stints Lions coach,
a successful one at that, But he didn't coach the
Six Nations earlier this year because he was seconded to

(55:09):
the Lions and stood took a back to the step
from the Lions series to do that. So he hasn't
coached this team since last year's End of Your Tours.
It's been a while since he's had his hands on
this team. So they are coming a little bit cold
the Irish, whereas the All Blacks are, you know, midway
through their season or towards the pointing end of their season.
It's on them to take advantage of what could be
a cold Irish side in Chicago this weekend.

Speaker 3 (55:30):
Now, the ind and out took so many media with
them they could probably put together a team to go
on the field, and they're trying to, you know, parlay
the strength of the All Black brand into America. Is
it working?

Speaker 9 (55:41):
Oh?

Speaker 24 (55:42):
Look, I think it is to an extend, he pointed
a sold out game, and yes, Ireland are responsible for
that to extend as well, because there's a large Chicago
population that is Irish heritage and they're buying tickets and
there's a lot of Irish people coming over from Ireland
that are coming in for the game. I'm hearing that
quite a few will be landing Friday local time ready
for the game on Saturday. But I think you have

(56:03):
to give the All Blacks and New Zealand radb me
some credit. That sixty thousand seat stadium sold out wouldn't
happen with Ireland playing the Wallabies. Wouldn't happen with Ireland
playing England. Necessarily the All Blacks through have that pulling
power and inspane. You know they're making, you know, incremental
gains in the market.

Speaker 3 (56:21):
Good stuff, Elliott I, thank you so much. I'm looking
forward to your call. By the way, there's a little
question that always popped up in my head. What are
they playing on? Is it grass or astrotooth? Because it's
an American football field, it's grass. It's one of the
few grass stadiums left in America. It's going to be
a Grade seventeen to.

Speaker 1 (56:36):
Six Friday sports tuddle with New Zealand Southeby's International Realty.

Speaker 2 (56:41):
Find your one of a.

Speaker 5 (56:43):
Kind all right, I'm just having to come away to
there's a left hand side if my masses numbers Bryan, Oh,
that's great.

Speaker 4 (56:56):
Straight Thummy's not down.

Speaker 24 (56:57):
It is a dry that's a.

Speaker 4 (56:59):
Try to the Hira Cols.

Speaker 20 (57:01):
It's like I say, try TJ Paranara, lovely ball, Dain't Coles.
All Blacks needed that they needed a band. Check it out,
Studs this jav Hayeslam Ireland has meted the All Blacks.
The culmination of a historic twak in Chicago.

Speaker 3 (57:22):
There's memories of the game back in twenty sixteen when
Ireland beat the Hoodoo after one hundred and eleven years,
they actually defeated the or Backs.

Speaker 8 (57:29):
She I remember that night.

Speaker 3 (57:30):
I remember that game. It hurts, but boy it was
so good for the Irish side. So we've got it
now and it's time for the sports huddle. And on
the huddle today we have our sports director Clay Wilson
and former News Talks here b sports reporter and now
doing such a good job for one News. Cap Wells
joins us. Hello people, Hello, all right, start with you, Clay.

(57:51):
All this talk about a Grand Slam? Is this a
good thing or a trap?

Speaker 2 (57:58):
Wow?

Speaker 7 (57:58):
I guess it depends only matters how the All Blacks
view it, doesn't it? And you know, four pretty challenging games,
and all in the current climate, losable and winnable games
for the All Blacks. You know, I would say, you know,
trying to expect them to win all four? Perhaps, I
don't know. Maybe is it realistic? Is it possible?

Speaker 15 (58:18):
Yes?

Speaker 7 (58:18):
Is it realistic? I don't know. I think maybe three
out of four might be a pretty good But if it,
given where this team's at and given the opposition they're
going to face, now will might they win all four? Yes,
but you know it's it's a pretty pretty tall task,
especially stopping in Chicago, then going to the UK and
then having to back up those consecutive weeks. So I

(58:40):
think three out of four would be a good effort,
but you know, four out of four is possible if
they can improve on some of the things. Well, I
think they haven't quite nailed this this season.

Speaker 3 (58:47):
I think Island's under down. I don't think they're going
to get up there. But I would be more worried
about England, wouldn't you U?

Speaker 1 (58:53):
Kate?

Speaker 13 (58:54):
Yeah, well, I think going back to what.

Speaker 12 (58:58):
Has two shows that are four.

Speaker 2 (59:01):
Games is pretty difficult.

Speaker 8 (59:04):
I think if you look back.

Speaker 6 (59:05):
To previous matches, they have done very well on home.

Speaker 7 (59:10):
Turf and they'll a mess.

Speaker 13 (59:15):
England is it's the big obviously Ireland in Chicago that atmosphere,
but I think England will be to beat it.

Speaker 3 (59:24):
O Kate, Kate, I hate to say this, but your
phone is actually playing up on us, so we'll phone
you back, get a bit of line. We'll come back
after the break with Clay and Kate. Can't wait to
hear from Kate about the netball. I thought that last
game against Australia was just such a cracker and so exciting,
and the New Zealand side was a next step up.
So what does that actually mean. That's still to come
with the sports huddle right here on News Talks AB.

Speaker 1 (59:45):
The Friday Sports Hitdle with New Zealand South of East
International Real Team the Global Leader and Luxury real Estate.

Speaker 3 (59:53):
With Crave Wilson and Kay Wells and Kate. I love
that last netball game. The last two netball games the
New Zealand side were next level. Is it heresy to
suggest that the interim coaching panel are as good or
even possibly better than Nolin.

Speaker 13 (01:00:10):
I don't think it's fair to say that. I think
they've had the Tiny Jamison Series and the Constellation Cup
with this group, so that's seven tests. I think they've
got better each game, but it's taken them until the
home tests in New Zealand to really get.

Speaker 22 (01:00:26):
Some good momentum under their belt.

Speaker 13 (01:00:29):
But also coming back to New Zealand, that's where the
Silver Ferns played this so I think home court advantage
plays a big role in that. So I think the
key will be this Northern tour coming up in the
coming weeks.

Speaker 3 (01:00:42):
And that's fascinating, Clay, because the interim team keep in charge,
but no Lean is back, but he's not being sent
to the UK to watch and to look for preparations
for the Commonwealth Games. So that's a strange situation, don't
you think.

Speaker 7 (01:00:56):
Yeah, I mean that's a little thing, Andrew. They say
she's back, but I think for a lot of people,
probably until they see you standing on the sideline, you know,
as head coach of the Silver Fans again, you know,
will probably just be biding their time on that one
because the saga is just dragged on and on, and
you know, there's been a lot of back and forth
between these two parties, and you know, while not the

(01:01:18):
Nolean has been reinstated, one feels that there's a little
bit more water to flow under the bridge in terms
of this one. Given how much time to play out,
we're not getting a lot of detail about what they're
going to talk about, what they're going to change. It
seems like they're still perhaps working that out in the background.
So you know, this team is still going to go
away with the kind of spectre of the situation hanging

(01:01:39):
over them to some degree. While they can take a
lot from those these last two kits, and I think
a lot of they surprise a lot of people by
how much they how well they rebounded in the home
home games. You know, until we see Dame Nolen on
the sideline again. It's a lot of fans, a lot
of followers of the sport in this country. You know,
people are going to be holding their breath a bit

(01:01:59):
about how the situation is actually going to eat and.

Speaker 3 (01:02:02):
Considering we have so much uncertainty about the Nolinetel situation
and that's all on the head of Netball New Zealand
and the way they're running this. There's a lot of
people who have been saying that heads need to roll
at Netball New Zealand, but they haven't as yet, should
they No, Well.

Speaker 13 (01:02:18):
That's the public have been very public, have been public
about what they think with the board and Neeble New Zealand.
They certainly think that they've done the right thing. But
I think you can't deny that they're handling of this
in the start by standing her down immediately and then
to come out seven weeks later and saying she actually
did nothing wrong. I find that quite fishy. So I

(01:02:41):
don't think that was the right way to go about it.
Jenny Wiley says she's not going anywhere, but I guess
in the coming months will be pretty telling if there
is movement, because they'll have a big review at the
end of the year, which I hope they review.

Speaker 9 (01:02:57):
They go through that review extensively.

Speaker 3 (01:02:59):
Yeah cool. Now, I'll tell you so that it made
me very happy with the performance of the black Caps
against England in the fifty over game the ODI series.
I mean, it's just been brilliant. And the thing that
actually cut me up emotionally was Blair Tickner appearing again
for the black Caps after a two year break after
his wife has been battling cancer and it was just
so emotional. Clay, do you think though, he did enough

(01:03:23):
because he was called in as a ring and do
you think he did enough to actually be part of
the squad ongoing?

Speaker 7 (01:03:29):
Well, I mean, let's see, the black Caps obviously have
these games against this game against England tomorrow, and then
the West Indies are arriving for some white ball games
and tests. So in terms of white ball involvement, which
is where Blair Tickner is largely sort of sat with
the black Caps, you know, there might be some possibility
there I think, you know, there's obviously injuries are always initial.

(01:03:50):
You know, we saw Kyle Jamison go down the other day.
Matt Henry's gone down and that was actually what promoted
Bleatictor into that so I the second ODI where he
performed so well. So I think it's a fast ball.
You're always kind of in the next And he's an
easy guy to like, isn't he And of course what
he's been through, you know, people are always going to
be rooting for someone like him, so let's kind of see.
But I think he's very much in the mix after

(01:04:11):
a performance like that against a team like England, who
especially at white ball and white ball cricket have been
a very good site for quite a long time. So
he only hasn't done himself any harm in terms of
his prospects going forward.

Speaker 3 (01:04:23):
Yeah, really cool And Kate, do you miss Blair's mullet
and mustache and just that look.

Speaker 13 (01:04:30):
I think the cricketers are very good at expressing themselves
and Matt Henry's been seen with a interesting looking stars.
I think a few of them have sported some looks
after that beage test. I'm not really I mean, you
can do what you like. With you here, I think,
but I think it definitely adds to the persona. But
it's also important. This afternoon, blared Tickner at training got

(01:04:52):
a whack to the shin in the nets and walked
off a little bit ginger. So whether we'll even see
him in the game tomorrow, I don't know, So it's
a wait and see.

Speaker 3 (01:05:03):
Good stuff, and I thank you both. Of course, the
black Caps playing England at the sky Stadium, so they're
using the oval as an oval for the first time
in a while, and that's good. And that is happening tomorrow.
And this is News Talks it B and it's six
to six.

Speaker 1 (01:05:17):
It's the Heather Too per Se allan Drive full show
podcast on my Heart Radio powered by News Talks.

Speaker 3 (01:05:23):
It be a number of people who are actually pointing
out that Neple New Zealand sied Noeling Turner's reinstatement was
effective immediately and she's still sidelined. She's not going on
the Northern tour, and the text says something fishy about
that statement. More going on. I feel a lot of
people saying she should be there at least on the
Northern tour. So that's another ongoing and developing story.

Speaker 13 (01:05:44):
Now.

Speaker 3 (01:05:44):
The other day north of Auckland the Maharangi River, a
pump station overflowed and dump some twelve hundred cubic meters
of sewage into the river, which then flowed out into
the ocean and water Kier's internal alert system failed, so
nobody discovered the fault until yesterday. So all this gunk

(01:06:05):
goes out into the ocean and went straight into a
Mattcana oyster operation. And now that operation has been told
I'm sorry you've been contaminated. You can't sell oysters for
a month, and in fact you may want to destroy
a lot of your beds. Now does that sound fair
to you? We're a stuff up by water Care has

(01:06:26):
actually curked out of business for a month. We're going
to talk to the chair of the Mahurangi Oyster Farmers
Association right after the news and later Barry Sofa on
the weekend politics, including the stuff up that was Labor's
capital gains takes.

Speaker 1 (01:06:40):
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Speaker 2 (01:06:50):
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Speaker 3 (01:06:53):
Good evening to you. Welcome to the program I'm in
for Heather who's offered a rock gig in Melbourne someday
called Oasis. I don't know they'll ever turn out to
be any good, but there we go, and she will
be back on Monday. Now I've got a text, by
the way, I need to refer to this text, Andrew.
When are we going to hear no ling Todu's version
of the coaching debarker. Well, you lucky people, you have

(01:07:14):
chosen the right radio station because Mike Hosking announced this
morning that no ling Toda will be on the radio
with him on Monday morning. And that's going to be
fascinating just to see how much she can say, because
I believe she'll be bound by all the you know,
all the rules that come up in these employment cases.
So No ling Todua with Mike Hosking on Monday morning. Now,

(01:07:40):
oyster farmers north of Auckland are having to temporarily close
their farms and destroy thousands of oysters because of a
colossal stuff up by water Care. If I do say
so myself, A pump station overflowed earlier this week at
dub twelve hundred cubic meters of sewage into the Maharangi
River and watercre's internal alert system failed. Apparently there was
a power power problem, so the fault wasn't discovered until

(01:08:03):
eight a m. Yesterday. So all the skunk has been
flowing into the ocean and flowing into oyster beds, and
the NETTE done this tair of the Maharangi Oyster Farmers
Association and joins me.

Speaker 2 (01:08:14):
Now, hello than that, Hi, how are you?

Speaker 3 (01:08:17):
I'm good?

Speaker 4 (01:08:18):
How bad?

Speaker 3 (01:08:18):
Was the spill?

Speaker 12 (01:08:20):
Pretty bad when you equivalent it to like two hundred
thousand toilet flashes and one hundreds eirty concrete trucks.

Speaker 3 (01:08:28):
Oh that's an image I didn't need to hear.

Speaker 6 (01:08:31):
It.

Speaker 12 (01:08:31):
Puts it in perspective for your listness, of course it does.

Speaker 3 (01:08:34):
And how much actual damage was done to the oyster
farms or was the damage all just done to the
creatures in terms of the water that they have been poisoned?

Speaker 12 (01:08:44):
Basically, the damage has been done to the oyster farmers
because we can't harvest for twenty eight days because of
the sawa to overflow and the farmers will have to
relocate their product to another harbor to filtrate out for
a twenty eight day period and the costs that's involved
in doing that is huge for the farmers because you

(01:09:04):
know when you harvest an oyster, you pick up the oyster,
your grade and you send it out to the shops.
This is where you have to pick up grade, take
it up normals or take it to another harbor, relocate
it for another twenty eight days and hopefully with extensive
testing through Ministry primary industries, we can harvest our product again.

Speaker 3 (01:09:24):
So there's twenty eight days where you can't sell a noise,
so you can't make money. You don't have any cash flow.
Plus you've got expenses because you've got to up and
move them to another place. Who's paying for this or now?
The question is more, there is water Care compensating anyone.

Speaker 12 (01:09:40):
We got a little bit of com compensation a few
months ago when they did one little spill, but basically
it didn't cover one week's worth of bills at all.
To take the truth, so nothing from water Care, nothing
from anyone, and all the farmers fine, very difficult to

(01:10:01):
even keep their heads above water at the moment. So
it's not an ideal situation when we've only probably had
a couple of months have been open. Next next week
we've got some amazing tides to be able to go
out and work our farms, and we can't do that now.

Speaker 3 (01:10:14):
You know, in harvest you said there was another one.
I mean, how many times does this sort of thing happened?

Speaker 12 (01:10:21):
I think by recording we might be up to about
thirty eight or thirty nine times for the whole year.

Speaker 3 (01:10:29):
Good lord, it's just so.

Speaker 4 (01:10:33):
Wrong in every way.

Speaker 3 (01:10:34):
Thirty eight or thirty nine times a mistake by water
Cares has infected an entire industry, thirty eight or thirty
nine times in a year.

Speaker 12 (01:10:46):
Yeah, they changed their legislation in twenty twenty two from
two spills a year to two hundred, so they think
they can just keep on dumping thurge into the harbor
two hundred times throughout the year without any notification to
any of them, with the farmers about the change of
the legislation they've put in place.

Speaker 3 (01:11:04):
So when I said, you know it was a stuff
up caused by a power cut or some power problem
because the alerts didn't go off. In fact, because they've
got rights under the legislation, under the regulations that they
operate on, it's actually a regular, a regular occurrence as
part of their process is polluting your product.

Speaker 6 (01:11:23):
It sure is.

Speaker 12 (01:11:23):
And the upgrade that they've donated Lucy Moore Parks only
like a couple of weeks old, and you would have
thought they might have had a backup system or a
generator that would pick up on our overflow. When we
got notified fired about the spill was three fourteen in
the afternoon. They were at the site at eight o'clock
in the morning and we didn't get notified notification until

(01:11:45):
three o'clock in the afternoon, and then Ministry of Primary
Industries notified us at three twenty five, putting implementing a
twenty eight day closure straight onto us.

Speaker 3 (01:11:55):
Is there any legal route you could pursue to get
water care to make some sort of restitution to help
your belieged farmers.

Speaker 12 (01:12:04):
That's something for the farmers to discuss. But we're hoping
that water queue will come to the party.

Speaker 3 (01:12:10):
But it's just wrong. I mean, it's shocking, and many
people haven't heard this story and the text machines melting down.
It's just wrong because your industry is being ruined by
somebody else's practices and stuff up and they're getting away
with it.

Speaker 12 (01:12:26):
Yeah, and when they send leads out to house owners
wanting to come and afect accept your septic tank and
making sure you're not over flying down into a stream,
or they to sue a farmer because the cow turns
the wrong way and faces the stream. They find them,
but they can just see what they want.

Speaker 3 (01:12:46):
All right. Well, look, my greatest sympathy to your farmers
and to you and thank you for your time today.
That is the Nette Done, who is chair of the
Mahurangi Oyster Farmers Association. The text are melting down. Okay,
that's b s says someone. What if you need to
fit this bill entirely? Absolutely? Another Texas says, imagine if
a dairy farmer did this, they would be crucified. That
is a disgrace. Water Care should remedy all the oyster farmers.

(01:13:09):
Thank you Mike for your text. The thing that got
me is that this is part of their normal practice.
They flush it out, They flush it out into the
river and then it goes out into the harbor thirty
eight or thirty nine times in one year. And another
Textas says, oh yeah, so called clean green New Zealand

(01:13:29):
six fourteen. It's been a big week of politics and
its started with the year It started with the capital
gains tax and Barry Soapa has been watching the whole lot,
also the Baiy case and all sorts of things. So
Barry is here to review the week in politics and
that is next.

Speaker 1 (01:13:44):
It's the Heather Duper see Allan Drive Full Show podcast
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Speaker 3 (01:13:50):
Zebby News Talk's eb seventeen after six YT's look back
at the Week in Politics at Barry Soopa Evening, Barry
Good Evening again Andrew So. It was a week where
we started talking about the capital gains tax because something
got leaked and it was all a bit rushed and
it was full of misinformation, mistruths, and it was all
over this.

Speaker 16 (01:14:08):
Labors had not had a good time, has it in
the last few weeks in releasing policy. This one was
rushed and it showed signs of being rushed as well.
The notion that doing a capital gains tax of twenty
eight percent on family homes would pay for three free doctors'

(01:14:28):
visits for everyone in the country a year. Initially, that's
wrong because it wouldn't pay for it. That's one thing.
And the other thing is, you know, even the late
Sir Michael Cullen, who did the Taxation Working Group report.
He suggested that anyone who goes into an election promising

(01:14:50):
to implement a new tax is very unlikely to win
the ballot. And I think he's probably right on that.
So I don't know what got into Chris Zipkin's brain
other than a leak. Do you come out with this
particular policy?

Speaker 3 (01:15:05):
Two things about this ring fencing the income for a
medicaid and three visits to a doctor? God knows we
were going to find the doctors to actually staff all that,
But in putting that in ring fencing the thing, it
sounded that even labor were like, we're a bit embarrassed
about this tax, and we think the only way you
like it is if we spend it on doctors, and
you like doctors. You know, it was an embarrassment.

Speaker 16 (01:15:26):
It was like it was like offering a bit of lolly. Yeah,
but you know, I mean, good luck to the mo
they think will win them the next election.

Speaker 3 (01:15:35):
But the other thing and being leaked who leaked it?
They're not doing an investigation. And I there's two thoughts,
either someone who was desperate to have some policy to
talk about, or some super lefties who've realized that, in fact,
the Labor under Hipkins right now is not committed to capital.

Speaker 16 (01:15:52):
Games and it's not the same old Labor party that
we had in the last government.

Speaker 3 (01:15:55):
No, no, exactly right, Okay, Now, the move to expel
Kappa Kingi from the Maori Party, now that kept on going.

Speaker 16 (01:16:02):
Well, you know, the Maori Party at the moment when
they parliament resumes next week, it's going to be really
interesting because Rollery white Tea has come back from China,
the Kappa Haka tour that he did. There should have
been in parliament, nevertheless, when his party was in such trouble,
he should have been here. But nevertheless he's now back

(01:16:22):
and they're saying they're going to suspend well, they moved
a motion to suspend Cappakinghi, and you know they may
have good grounds and that she overspent her budget and
hired her son on a contract. But that's not to
say that others aren't doing it as well. I mean,
Rollery White Tea's wife was John Timmy Harri's daughter and

(01:16:48):
in fact was the Press secretary of the party. Not
only that MP Clark, who was named by the Time magazine.
She went to New York just over the last few
days is to collect her gong there for ripping up
the bill, the treaty bill. She wasn't even meant to
do that. It was meant to be White to Tea

(01:17:09):
that was meant to do that, and somebody handed her
the bill, so she did it instead and become very
famous as a result of it. But you know, Takuter Ferris,
he's with Cappa Kinghi or any Copra. She's with Cappa
Kinghi as well. So what's going to become of this party?

(01:17:29):
Hopefully we'll find out a bit more next week.

Speaker 3 (01:17:31):
Well, the whole point about the Malory Party is actually
to do some things for the Maori people instead of
actually all these sort of shows. And yeah, exactly right.
You do realize that Mary all about Farno, So that's
why you get the Cup of King Jobs. So there
we go. Chris Laxa met with Donald Trump, and I
thought it was really good actually, because if you only
get ten minutes, you're not going to change the tariffs.

(01:17:54):
The only thing you can do is try and make
mister Trump like.

Speaker 16 (01:17:56):
You or yes, indeed, and Trump likes everybody initially, and
then as other leaders have found out, he starts to
dislike them, and it's all hands on deck to try
and repair the damage. But look, we used to call
them at the APEC meetings pull asides. This has now
been sort of transformed into a meeting. I think a

(01:18:18):
big success for New Zealand at the APEX was being
invited by the Coreans to go to a smaller dinner
with Donald Trump. And you know, New Zealand to be
on that list I think was pretty good. And you know,
a lot would have been discussed across the table. I
would imagine at that dinner, more more than would have

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been described in the speed dating do that.

Speaker 3 (01:18:42):
Because I saw some of the footage. Trump's got a
microphone and he's just talking about himself the whole time.
Was it a two way conversation or was it just
Donald Trump land down the sermon?

Speaker 16 (01:18:54):
Oh well, yes, you know it's amazing, isn't it. The
man who rules the world now is talking about testing
nuclear weapons and oh my goodness.

Speaker 3 (01:19:02):
Now and Winston got his nose out of joint with
Christopher lux again.

Speaker 16 (01:19:06):
Yeah, well indeed, Well you see the thing is now
Winston is starting his campaign. He's no longer the Deputy
Prime Minister, so he can be a little more independent
if you like. That's what he's asserting in this that
Chris Luxen said that he had made a deal with
the South Southeast Asian countries in terms of trade. Winston
simply puught a one word entry on Twitter above that

(01:19:32):
saying we not you. We And in fact the thing
is that Winston has been around a number of years
as the Foreign Minister and has done quite a lot
of work in the Southeast Asian countries. So he did
obviously get a bit annoyed at it, but the post
was withdrawn and everything's back to normal.

Speaker 3 (01:19:51):
Yeah, but the hard yards are always done by the
diplomats anyway, and not the politics.

Speaker 4 (01:19:54):
That's right.

Speaker 3 (01:19:55):
You know, they're there to make friends with Donald Trump.
If you can, bury all the very best, Thank you,
if you turn to you, to you, Andrew, it is
six twenty three. What movie should you watch in Halloween?
We've got some suggestions.

Speaker 2 (01:20:05):
Crunching the numbers has been getting the results.

Speaker 1 (01:20:08):
It's Andrew Dickens Swidth of the Business Hour and mass
for insurance Investments and here we say it.

Speaker 2 (01:20:15):
You're in good hands. News talks. The'd be yes.

Speaker 3 (01:20:18):
It is six twenty six. Do I need to remind
you that tonight and Problem's.

Speaker 2 (01:20:22):
Mind is no business like show business.

Speaker 3 (01:20:26):
He did them all, tom Yeah, all the kids turn
the monster mass wanting a trick, wanting a treat. Only
eighty percent of people and the stuff Paul hate it,
but there we go. Families love it. So if you
want to watch a movie, the Telegraph has actually come
up with the top fifty horror films of all time
which are perfect to watch tonight or maybe tomorrow. So

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let's run through it at Number three from nineteen seventy three,
Don't Look Now, which is about a couple grieving their
daughter's death and have an encounter with a psychic and
Venice Donald Sutherland to the Christy s directed by Nicholas
It's fantastic. And number two ha Psycho from Hitchcock, by
the way, that has the first ever depiction of a

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flushing toilet on screen, and you'll never want to have
a shower again. Number three number one, they have to say,
though it's a classic as well, The Exorcist from nineteen
seventy three. If you want a modern movie, American Psycho
is not pleasant in the right way, pans Labyrinth, the
original Scream. Now hey, speaking about Scream Scream have actually

(01:21:29):
released the first trailer for their seventh installment of film
and they release it today because it's hall ollween. You
want to hear a little bit of it.

Speaker 9 (01:21:37):
Here we go, We're gonna do this together. You're gonna
have to shoot him through the wall to the.

Speaker 23 (01:21:42):
Right of the door.

Speaker 2 (01:21:43):
Shot. Oh you.

Speaker 9 (01:21:49):
He dead. You need to make sure you sued him
in the head.

Speaker 3 (01:21:52):
Yeah, you shoot him in the head. Good advice. The
star of the first movie, Neave Campbell, she's back her characters.
Sidney White must now hunt down in the Ghost Face
with her own daughter, Courtney Coxes in it as well.
It's in theaters from February the twenty seventh next year.
One final story, by the way, regarding film, Robert England,
famous with playing Freddy Krueger in The Nightmare on Elm

(01:22:13):
Street Films, is getting a star on the Hollywood Walk
of Fame. And it's happening today because it's Halloween. For
you the Living to Smash Woman too.

Speaker 15 (01:22:25):
When you get to my.

Speaker 3 (01:22:26):
Door, tell them six thirty eight you dropped to Hong
Kong and Peter Lewis Davin Gray out of the UK. Gee,
what's happened in the UK today. This talksb whether.

Speaker 2 (01:22:39):
It's macro micro for just playing economics.

Speaker 1 (01:22:42):
It's all on the Business Hour with Andrew Dickens and
MAS for insurance investments.

Speaker 2 (01:22:48):
And Huey Safer and you're in good hands us talk Sippy.

Speaker 3 (01:23:08):
Pocome back to the program. We're all still in shock
with the interview we had at the top of the
program with the Mahrangy oyster farmers. The oyster farmers there
they get polluted by a spill into the Maharangi River.
It's been polluted now thirty nine times in the last year.
And apparently the water care have the approval to do

(01:23:29):
this purging two hundred times in a year and so
every time they do it, of course they affect the oysters.
In this case, they can't do any business for a
whole month with all the bills still going out in
the cash flow not there at all. And how has
this happened? Who was there first? Where the oyster farmers
there first? Or was the pump station there first? And

(01:23:51):
apparently it's because of the rapid growth of walk With
and that whole region of Mattakana and all that area
there which has boomed. And now of course or the
wastewater that's also boomed, and the pump station that services
that area was not big enough to cope with it,
which is why they didn't have to spill into the
marh Harangy River. Now, the thing I'd like to ask is,

(01:24:12):
if you're going to improve an intensification of an area,
you have to make sure that the infrastructure is able
to cope. It's not able to cope and they won't
have a new pump station for another couple of years,
but that means the oyster farmers can't really farm there
for the next couple of years if they're going to
get this two hundred times so surely if they improve

(01:24:33):
the intensification and couldn't afford a new pump station, then
they should have said to the mah Harangi oyster farmers,
it looks like your fields are not in the right place.
You might want to permanently move, and they should have
been funded to move. But you know that demands foresight
and that's not something that's in large supply in our councils.

(01:24:55):
Can you say it is twenty two to seven Andrew
Dickens all right, time to go to Asia. Peter Lewis
joins us Heller Peter. Good evening, Andrew, and you've been
the center of attention because of Apic Asian and Donald
Trump's visit.

Speaker 7 (01:25:11):
If we have.

Speaker 14 (01:25:12):
Indeed, Donald Trump's been here for almost a week, started
off in Malaysia, then moved on to Japan and finally
to the APEC summit in South Korea, where the climax
of that was his meeting yesterday with President Jijin Ping.
The aim was really to try and dial back all

(01:25:33):
the rhetoric and all the sanctions that China and America
have put on each other over the last few months
in their trade war.

Speaker 2 (01:25:41):
Partly succeeded in that.

Speaker 14 (01:25:44):
There is a suspension of a year for a year
now most of the recently imposed tariffs and fees that
the two sides have put on each other. China's agreed
to suspend for one year its export controls on where
which have done a lot of damage to a US industry.
And also it's going to start buying again Chinese American

(01:26:07):
soyer beans, which has been another big ask for America
because they basically reduced their purchases of US soybeans to zero.
They hadn't bought any at all in the latest growing season,
they've gone elsewhere to countries like Argentina, and that's left
American Midwest Soyerban farmers in a dire situation. The only

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thing is with all of this is that, first of all,
it's just for one year. So if it even lasts,
if this deal even lasts for a year, because you
can see many ways in which things could flare up
again over that time, but it means that we're sort
of on tender hooks because every year this is all
going to be renegotiated. And you also have to question
at the end of it, what has America got out

(01:26:53):
of this. All that's happened this week is that there's
been a dialing back of some of these sanctions to
where they were levels they were maybe in April. So
for all this rhetoric, all this pain that's been imposed
upon either side, we haven't really got anywhere. At the
end of the day, America has made no great strides

(01:27:16):
in bringing manufacturing back to the US and getting China
to change its economic model, so you have to question
has it all been worth it? And China in the meantime,
has shown it's played its cards very very cleverly, particularly
its dominance in global rare earths these days, and its
ability to cause damage to US farmers. It's shown that

(01:27:38):
it can stand up to the US in a way
that no other country can, and can hit back just
as hard at the US as the US sort of
punches them. So really this has been a wake up
call for Donald Trump because it's had to back down
on quite a lot of things. China is showing that

(01:28:00):
a serious rival.

Speaker 3 (01:28:01):
He will never say that though. In fact, Donald Trump's
comments after his meeting diseaseion ping and this truth, he
called it amazing, which is his emo. Everything is amazing.
In fact, he met with Japan's new prime minister and
his feeling was the visit was amazing and it couldn't
have gone better.

Speaker 14 (01:28:21):
Yes, and in fact her he was talking with Japan's
Prime minister of a new golden era of US Japan
sort of relationships. The thing is, I think leaders around
the world have worked out what they need to do
to appease Donald Trump, and that is to give him
some sort of high profile deal that he can use

(01:28:46):
in a big photo opportunity and can taut back home
amongst his MAGA base and his supporters there, which is
exactly what he's doing at the moment. You know, he's
got China to buy us sawyer beans. He's telling everyone, well,
they were buying them in the first place until Trump
put tariffs on them. But they worked out that, and
in particular China, which has a lot of Trump cards,

(01:29:10):
it's they've worked out that they don't really need to
do anything very much. If you look at all these deals,
they haven't offered an awful lot in the way of
a change in the way in which the relationship works
or specific deals. All they've got to do is make
sure they don't give too much away and give Trump

(01:29:31):
a high profile deal to sort of talk about.

Speaker 2 (01:29:34):
Now.

Speaker 14 (01:29:34):
I suppose the one thing you could say that he
has got out of Japan and South Korea are these
big investment deals. Japan's going to invest five hundred and
fifty billion dollars in the US. South Korea is going
to invest three hundred and fifty billion dollars in the
US over the next ten years. These are significant numbers,
and you know, you can't underestimate the power of that

(01:29:58):
because when governments invest, private businesses tend to follow, so
it could get more investments from other companies and corporations,
and these are significant numbers. But I suppose if you're
japan or if your self career, you take the view
that maybe you know, twenty billion dollars over the next
ten years or so is a small price to pay

(01:30:20):
not to have these trade problems and these tariffs imposed
upon you.

Speaker 3 (01:30:24):
And the power of China is in plane display. Their
industrial profits have jumped twenty two percent year on year.

Speaker 14 (01:30:33):
Yeah, that's the biggest increase in the past two years.
Part of that is coming because Chinese companies under pressure
from the Chinese government to stop these destructive price wars
that are going on. You're seeing that particularly in electric vehicles,
where there's something like one hundred and fifty Chinese manufacturers

(01:30:56):
of electric vehicles, way way too many that needs to
be consolidated down to maybe just four or five. They're
all competing with each other in this cutthroat competition to
slash prices, selling products below the cost. Now Beijing has
started to clamp down on that. It has a campaign
which it calls anti involution, which means basically clamping down

(01:31:20):
on these excessive price cuts and discounts that manufacturers are offering.
So that's part of the reason why Chinese companies are
doing so well. But another reason is they're discovering new markets.
As it becomes more difficult to export their product to
the US, they're simply replacing the US markets with other markets.

(01:31:41):
New markets in the Middle East, in South America, and
in particular among the Asian nations, many of whom are
meeting with Presidents Ejinping right now. So in Southeast Asia
like Singapore, Indonesia, the Philippines, and so on. These are
new markets for Chinese products and exports soaring to those

(01:32:01):
countries even though they're plummeting to the US.

Speaker 3 (01:32:05):
Good South, Peter, I thank you for your time. It
is fifteen to seven text through on ninety two to
ninety two saying yes. But Trump is still very popular
in his own country.

Speaker 7 (01:32:14):
But is he?

Speaker 3 (01:32:15):
As of late October, Donald Trump's popularity is mixed and
trending down. Average approval between thirty nine and forty one percent,
disapproval around fifty seven to sixty percent. That makes a
net approval rating of roughly minus eighteen to nineteen points
That is the lowest of his second term. It is
fifteen to seven. Big story out of the UK Andrew

(01:32:38):
is no longer a prince. Gavin Gray is.

Speaker 1 (01:32:40):
Next everything from SMEs to the big corporates, The Business
Hour with Andrew Dickins and Mays for insurance investments.

Speaker 2 (01:32:49):
And Quie Safer, You're in good hands news talks that'd
be Yes.

Speaker 3 (01:32:54):
It is now twelve minutes to seven, and we welcome
to the program out of the UK, Gavin Gray, the
Gavin either Andrew. We have certainly canvas and covered at
length of course Andrew's fall from grace and his loss
of his royal honors. But one thing we have heard
that maybe his life is a royal deserver, but the

(01:33:14):
troubles with the f scene files are not. And now
there are new demands for him to go to the
United States to answer questions.

Speaker 23 (01:33:21):
Yes, and I think those will grow as well Andrew
with time. Obviously, the royal founder, the king is hoping
that by effectively taking every royal thing for a way
from him, that'll put some distance between the royal family
and Prince Andrew. But for Prince Andrew himself personally, I
can see this carrying on a minute. The release of

(01:33:42):
these so called Epstein files by a US Congress committee
has revealed so many different details about the sex offenders,
various relationships by whom I refer, of course to Jeffrey
Epstein and perhaps already led to Andrew's downfall, but also
to the downfall of the former US ambassador, Lord Mandelssohn

(01:34:03):
there but those ongoing investigations have plenty more files and
emails to pour through, so I think there could be
some more uncomfortable nature to that. And indeed, now we're
getting news that one Democrat Representative su Has Obramian says, quote,
he owes it to the victims to share everything he

(01:34:23):
knows about Epstein's criminal operation and come before the Oversight
Committee in the US Congress, really really keen to speak
to Prince Andrew. Now he doesn't have to go, and
in the past has refused to go, saying, you know,
he can't add anything to his earlier statements. But I
think now there's going to be even more pressure for

(01:34:44):
him to go, and potentially pressure as well within the
royal family if this continues. And as I said, I
can't see it slowing down anytime soon. And certainly Virginia Jufra,
Virginia Roberts, his alleged victim with whom he paid that money, all.

Speaker 9 (01:35:00):
Those years ago.

Speaker 23 (01:35:01):
They are saying, you know, this is just she would
have appreciated. She of course has died, but she would
have appreciated that her words and her actions and her
steadfastness has led to his four from grace. But to
be clear, Prince Andrew denies any wrongdoing, denies ever meeting
Virginia at Roberts, and denies lots of those allegations that

(01:35:24):
he had sex with the young women, guided as it were,
by Jeffrey Epstein. But this is something that is bound
to continue and will cause further discomfort in the next
few weeks.

Speaker 3 (01:35:37):
Of course. The other big story out of Europe is
the Louver heist in Paris. Five suspects have now been arrested.
The jewels and the gold have not been found, where too.

Speaker 23 (01:35:48):
Nixt yes, So at the moment it appears that the
five can be detained for a number of days, and
it is thought that at least one of them is
suspected of taking part in the raid itself. We know
that there were four robbers or four people involved in
this heist, and it's thought that one of the five

(01:36:09):
who's been arrested in raids coordinated raids around Paris is
the suspect of being actually involved on the day as
it were, They can be held for those four days
to be charged or released. Police are saying that the
two that they'd arrested earlier are still being questioned, so
seven in total now. But the two that were arrested first,

(01:36:30):
it's said, there is nothing that they have said, no
statements that they've given that have implicated any of the five.
This is sort of separate strand of the investigation. But
they have now said they do not believe it to
be an inside job within a staff member of the
LOUVER taking part. They don't believe that to be the case.
But these items, Andrew sadly worth ooh gosh, about one

(01:36:52):
hundred and seventy five million New Zealand dollars worth of
jewelry and such completely irreplaceable good. It's so sad that
investigations continue that they.

Speaker 3 (01:37:04):
Are priceless because it's not just the physical value of
the gold or the jewels, it's what they were and
how they sit in French history. So that's amazing. I
think I think the thing that gets me that they've
arrested these people, but they haven't found the jewels or
the gold. They've arrested some of them while they're at
airport's trying to get away. I reckon the jewels and
the gold have already gone, but I hope not. And

(01:37:25):
I thank you Gavin Gray. It is seven to seven
News TALKSB.

Speaker 1 (01:37:29):
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Speaker 3 (01:37:37):
I'm Andrew Dickinson for Heather to see Allen who's in
Melbourne to see Oasis. They're playing tonight live at the
Marvel Stadium and also Saturday and also Tuesday, Yes three concerts.
There are plenty of tickets still available for the Tuesday
concert November fourth, and they're going for quite low prices
as well. Then they move on to Sydney Olympic Park,
which is a big venue. Take one hundred thousand people,

(01:37:58):
no problem, and they are plenty of tickets for that.
They're playing Friday, November seventh and Saturday November eighth. So
Heather is rocking out with the back of head on
today and we'll be back with you on Monday. Meanwhile,
it's time to go with a bit of music from
the music master, mister.

Speaker 25 (01:38:13):
Millicit Ghostbusters theme song by Ray Parker Junior to play
us out tonight. Andrew, why how about that poll with
eighty percent of people saying they hate Halloween?

Speaker 3 (01:38:23):
Yeah, do people get Halloween?

Speaker 4 (01:38:26):
You dress up?

Speaker 26 (01:38:27):
Yeah, lollies.

Speaker 25 (01:38:28):
You know, the kids go around the neighborhood. They get
off their iPads for half a second and go out
in the neighborhood and interact with all the seas pressure.

Speaker 3 (01:38:36):
And it's the pressure to buy the tricks and the treats,
and you know, to be pested all my lot, Buddy,
I'm greatest kids in the American tradition.

Speaker 25 (01:38:45):
I appreciate the cost living crisis as bad, but I'm
sure most of us can probably spring for a quick
bag of bulk lollies for the supermarket.

Speaker 3 (01:38:51):
Okay, go Yeah, so Ghostbusters for Halloween, Andrew, my thanks,
produce for Laura Sam and of course ants I lard
hey use here tomorrow night. But in my day, I'm
so excited see it.

Speaker 26 (01:39:06):
Then I ain't fraid the nota case. I ain't fraiding
note case.

Speaker 9 (01:39:19):
Don't get caught. It comes to die unless you just
watch the moon. I think you better call who you
gonna call, who you're gonna call. Think you better call.

Speaker 4 (01:39:46):
Who you're gonna call.

Speaker 9 (01:39:49):
I can't do who you gonna call. Louder who you
don't call?

Speaker 3 (01:40:11):
It likes the girls too.

Speaker 1 (01:40:14):
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