Full Show Podcast: 03 November 2025

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Speaker 1 (00:02):
Pressing the newsmakers to get the real story. It's Heather
duper cell and Drive with One New Zealand to coverage
like no one else.

Speaker 2 (00:10):
News storks that be.

Speaker 3 (00:13):
Alfternoon.

Speaker 4 (00:14):
Welcome to the show coming up today. The Police Acting
Deputy Commissioner on the news that one hundred and twenty
officers have been stood down for faking breath tests, the
background on why Donald Trump is doing those rare earths
and minerals deals, and Nichola Willi's Finance minister with us
after six on a Monday as always. Okay, how is

(00:35):
it possible that the Dame Noles crisis has actually got
worse today? How is it possible that she's got her
job back today and this thing has still got worse.
I'm getting the impression that Netball New Zealand do not
realize how bad this is today. If they don't realize
the enormous damage that Dame Knowles has done to them
by going on at least three radio interviews on one
TV interview and saying repeatedly the same thing that she
does not know how she was stood down, that there

(00:57):
was no investigation to clear her before she was brought back.
If they don't realize how enormous this is. I can't
explain it to them. They're not responding today to Dame
Knowles's comments. They're not saying if she's right or wrong.
All we know is that the Netball New Zealand minder
who was with her when she was doing the interviews
told her to stop telling Mike Hosking that she didn't
know why she was stood down. Now, let me, for

(01:18):
the benefit of everyone, but particularly I think for Netbull
New Zealand, explain how bad this is. None of us
here in this office can think of a single employment
disagreement that has been dragged out in public like this
for this long, with this much interest in it. Not
even I would say, the John hawksby Richard Long case
back in the late nineties, which was really big deal

(01:40):
at the time. Not even that went on this long
and was this badly handled. None of us can also
think of a single time when Mike Hosking interviewed someone
over four interview slots, which is what happened with Dame
Knowles this morning. Even during covid J Sindadun maybe got
three slots maximum Nole's got four. That's how big this

(02:00):
It's certainly big enough I think for somebody at NETBULLN
New Zealand now to lose their job.

Speaker 5 (02:04):
Now.

Speaker 4 (02:05):
I'm sorry to say this because I've got a lot
of respect for Matt Winneray, the chair of the board,
but I think this is now big enough for him
to actually have to consider standing down, either him or
the CEO, Jenny Wiley, or frankly both of them. Either
that or they tell us that Dame Knowles is wrong
and that what she said on here this morning was wrong.
But if her version of events is right, then what
has happened to her is completely unacceptable, and NETBALLN New

(02:25):
Zealand must indicate that they think that that they do
not condone this kind of ill treatment of employees, because
their judgment is now in question. We're all looking at
this and thinking, if you can stuff up something this badly,
what else are you going to stuff up? They cannot
afford for us to not believe in their judgment because
they are now far from far They are far from
through the worst of what they're going through and the

(02:46):
financial crisis that they are in and the broadcasting crisis
that they're in. Right, they have not actually solved their
broadcasting problems they have not saved the domestic competition. If
they want us to trust that they know what they
are doing, and if they want us to not question
them at even every single turn that, I'm sorry, someone
absolutely has to lose their job over.

Speaker 2 (03:04):
This, ever, do for see Ellen.

Speaker 4 (03:10):
Nineteen nine. Who's the text number? Standard text fees apply? Yeah,
I'd love to know what you think. We're going to
talk to the huddle about this later on. Now onto
something completely different. Z Energy has apologized for any confusion
caused by an advertising campaign that it ran three years ago.
You might remember the campaign. It said that ZED energy
was in the business of getting out of the petrol business. Now,

(03:30):
Consumer New Zealand and some climate groups said this was
untrue and it was greenwashing and took some legal action.
It's now been settled out of court. Now Lindas Jones
is the Z Energy chief executive and with us. Now Hi,
lindis Hi there. So what is it that you're apologizing for?

Speaker 6 (03:45):
Well, first of all, that statement I was intended to
be bold and provocative and it was designed to provoke
people to think about Z differently, not just a fuel provider,
but to the extent that we left any confusion that
we're getting out of selling people petrol anytime soon. We've
apologized and that just reflects our role in the economy

(04:07):
and people's lives that no customer should be confused now
or in the future about anything that we.

Speaker 4 (04:12):
Say, are you ever going to stop selling petrol?

Speaker 6 (04:17):
It's my role is to ensure that we provide the constant,
reliable supply of energy to customers, and that's something we
take seriously. And that's not just the fuel that we
sell today, but where possible we help customers if they
want to transitions at evs and lower emission sorts of vehicles.
So the civil answers I don't know, but my role

(04:41):
is to make it as easy as possible for when
customers want to transition, to make that choice easy for them.

Speaker 4 (04:47):
I mean, because you can see how this does feel
like greenwashing, Like if you say you're getting out of
the petrol business, but you don't actually think you're going
to get out of the petrol business, then it feels
like greenwashing.

Speaker 6 (04:57):
Well, I disagree with that. It was made against the
background of significant investment and plans and strategies, so things
that we've done, things we're planning to.

Speaker 4 (05:06):
In suit, not with any real prospect of ever getting
out of the petrol business, Like, you're not going to
stop selling petrol, are you?

Speaker 2 (05:14):
I think there will.

Speaker 6 (05:15):
Come a time when there are that's subject a whole
lot of.

Speaker 4 (05:21):
Uncertain the way though, Isn't it like if I'm v
pet to bring you today, I might never see that day.

Speaker 6 (05:28):
Well, if we don't start the transition now, we'll never
get there. And it's something that we do need to
get an action over it because every day, year and
month in election term that we wait, that's going to
make the problems harder to deal with in the future.

Speaker 4 (05:43):
Yeah, I mean I take your point. Do you can
you see why this upset the climate groups.

Speaker 6 (05:50):
Look, this is a case where we've just agreed to disagree.
That statement was made alongside a whole lot of other
information that can textualize it and provided background. So it's
a case of we've agreed to disagree and they've dropped
the claim.

Speaker 4 (06:03):
Okay, and you'll be more careful with your claims in
the future.

Speaker 6 (06:09):
Well, what I've learned from this is two things. The
first thing is, or it's reiterated to me, that customers
should be absolutely able to trust everything that you say
it's not up to customers to kind of second guess,
So being absolutely clear and transparent matters. And yes, secondly,
I think the putting yourself at any risk ground this

(06:33):
is something we've got to be very careful about. And
one of the one of the considerations from that is
that it could tempt us to say less and disclose less,
and I just think that's the wrong thing to do
for a whole lot of reasons.

Speaker 4 (06:47):
Say what less, disclose what less?

Speaker 6 (06:50):
Ah So, one of the things that we've always prided
ourselves on is that has been absolutely transparent about our
business intends of the emissions disclosures with that's the missions
from our business or their missions from customers, and all
sorts of reporting. I think we've been very transparent with

(07:10):
the purpose for recognizing actually the business that we're in.
So that transparency, we believe has always been critical to
people trusting us. However, a lot of that hasn't been
required or necessary. So you could take a view it's
safer just to say less, disclosed less. I don't think
that's the right thing, all right, that would be the

(07:31):
temptation with this sort of litigation.

Speaker 4 (07:33):
Right, Linda's thanks very much, appreciate your time. That's Linda's Jones,
Zen Energy chief Executive. Now, I don't love this kind
of litigation, but it might surprise you to know that
I love the fact that these guys have won, as
in the lawyers have won against Zed Energy on this
because there are a few things I hate more than greenwashing,
Because what greenwashing does is gets everybody to start talking
in the same way and pretending that they're all doing

(07:55):
this stuff that they're not doing, and I just I
hate it. So I'm glad to see the end of it.
Liam Moore, And by the way, if you want to
get a hold of Liam Lawson a piece of Liam
Lawson history. He is selling the first car that he
owned in New Zealand. It's a two thousand Sabaru Forester. Yeah,
there was a pretty fast car actually back in the day.
All the boys who drove Sabaru's pretty cool, weren't they.

(08:16):
It's on trade me The last I saw it was
around about twenty six thousand dollars. He's doing it for
charity for Mike King's I Am Hope Foundation. The auction
closes this coming Friday at seven o'clock. So not only
would you be getting yourself something cool New Zealand history,
but you'd also be helping at charity out Sixteen past.

Speaker 1 (08:32):
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Speaker 4 (08:41):
Heather, We're going to be pumping oil out of the
ground till the end of the next century at least.
Cheers David. You know what, David, I think I think
you're probably more right with that statement than you are
than z was saying they were going to get out
of the business of the petrol business. So I'm going
to go with you. Eighteen past four Good Sport.

Speaker 1 (08:56):
With tab Multi's Fast, Easy and more codes Sorry, eighteen ppers, God.

Speaker 4 (09:00):
Speak and Pine Sports Talk Coasters with me Piney.

Speaker 7 (09:02):
Hello, Hello, Heather.

Speaker 4 (09:04):
Well, that lot's got a lot worse for netball New Zealand,
didn't it It?

Speaker 7 (09:07):
Did it?

Speaker 3 (09:07):
Did?

Speaker 4 (09:09):
Why aren't they talking? What the hell is wrong with them?

Speaker 7 (09:13):
I don't know the answer to that question. What I
do know is that this is bound to go down
as one of the most shambolic sporting administrative chapters in
our history. I think the look trying to put this
into terms we can all understand. If we're called into
a meeting by our boss to say that there is

(09:34):
a situation which has a risen, which is putting our
employment at risk. We're going to stand you down. We're
not going to tell you why we're standing you down,
but we are going to stand you down. No right
thinking person should have to accept that. Heather, that is
a completely ridiculous set of circumstances. So it's actually ridiculous.

Speaker 4 (09:52):
It is so ridiculous. It sounds to me, reading based
on what I know and then listening to Dave Knowles
this morning, it sounds to me like she has been
told in general terms what's wrong right, which is that
players feel like they aren't safe talking to her about
things that you know, just talking to her about the situation.
But then then where I think this becomes problematic is

(10:15):
perhaps where she says, okay, give me an example of
somewhere where a player didn't feel safe and that they
can't do that.

Speaker 7 (10:22):
Why can't we just be adults here? The why can't
the why can't people just sit around a table? Why
can't somebody tell Dame Nolen, and let's let's say the
head of the players Association, Step Bond, why can't she
sit down with Dave Nolen and outline the concerns, give
Dame Nolen a chance to respond to those concerns and
nut this out.

Speaker 4 (10:41):
Because is that possible, Piney that when you go back
and you say to the player, okay, give me an example,
there aren't any.

Speaker 7 (10:48):
Well if that's well, if that's the case, then what
are we doing?

Speaker 8 (10:52):
Well?

Speaker 4 (10:52):
If that's what earth are we doing? It doesn't matter
which like, it doesn't matter what conclusion you come to
in what has actually happened here. Someone at Netball New
Zealand needs to lose their job because this is a
shambles and the judge is now so like no one
has any faith in their judgment, do they?

Speaker 7 (11:11):
No, there has to be some severe scrutiny. You're right
over what has played out here. There have to be
consequences for, as I say, one of the most unfortunate
chapters in sporting administration in this country. And hear you
talk about Matt one to day. He's the chair of
the board, The board appoint the CEO, they're in charge
of the direction of the organization. And of course on
top of all of this here that as we've always said,

(11:31):
they take tax payer money through the high performance program,
so they do need to be held to account here.

Speaker 4 (11:36):
Shocker Now, listen, I read a really interesting piece I
don't know where it might have been in one of
the Australian papers over the weekend or maybe one of
the UK papers, saying that if the point of that
game in America, this is the Ireland All Blacks game,
was to win over the American crowd, it will will
not have because in the first few minutes you've got
an inexplicable red card.

Speaker 7 (11:55):
Well, it certainly didn't help, did it. If you're trying
to attract fans, causing confusion in the way that that
game did yesterday isn't the best way to do it.

Speaker 4 (12:02):
You know.

Speaker 7 (12:03):
The fact that the big screen wasn't working so the
reef could and look up and see the incident and
therefore it all played out and rather you know, messy,
drawn out fashion was one thing. But the fact that
something is only just a yellow and is then inexplicably
upgraded to a red just leaves everybody confused. Where World
Rugby has got themselves to in this in this absolute

(12:25):
you know, stubborn desire to make sure that they can't
possibly be seen to be treating head injuries with anything
less than one hundred percent severity that they've got to
the point where we're in a contact sport. Sometimes you
can't contact someone anymore. It's you know, that's a rugby incident.

Speaker 5 (12:41):
You know.

Speaker 4 (12:43):
Either Rugby's ridiculous, isn't it? Finey?

Speaker 7 (12:46):
No, what a segment?

Speaker 9 (12:47):
What a segment?

Speaker 1 (12:48):
Either?

Speaker 9 (12:48):
Everyone?

Speaker 7 (12:48):
Morning stuff?

Speaker 4 (12:50):
Finey? Thanks very much. I appreciate it. Jason Pines' sports
Stalk Coast to be back at seven this evening. Either way,
are we still talking about netball New Zealand? Why is
this important for anything? Dude? Let me answer that question
for you, because no New Zealander, no New Zealander, should
ever be treated like this in their workplace. And I
think a lot of people have been and a lot
of people have probably felt in the past like that's

(13:11):
not fair that that happened to that person. This is
the worst case of it, and I think you have
to stand up for people being treated fairly by the
employers lest it. One day comes for you.

Speaker 1 (13:21):
For twenty three, digging deeper into the day's headlines, it's
Heather Do for Clan Drive with one New Zealand coverage
like no one else.

Speaker 2 (13:31):
Youth talks, they'd.

Speaker 4 (13:31):
Be Heather, how was oasis? Did you have it all?
Might muzz I'll answer that question for you. I'm gonna
get it to it in the next half hour. But
I've got to tell you a whole bunch of other
stuff because I've got a text you saying here that
the Marori Party is a gift that keeps on giving
a water bloody shambles to write, Steve, thank you more
drama than the Maori Party today. So the first thing
that's happened is the electorate executive of Te Titona, the

(13:52):
electorate there has started a petition calling for their own presidents.
It's a Maori Party electorate executive has started a petition
calling for the president of the Mary Party, John Tummerhead
had to stand down. Now, it's not a surprise because
they have been pretty They've opposed a lot of the
stuff that JT and the guys in leadership have done.
They really don't like what's going on there, so that's

(14:12):
not totally a surprise. And then also second not surprise
is that JT has responded and made the whole situation worse.
So he's taken another crack at Mauria mental cuppa kingy mainly.
Then he's taken a crack at the media in this
like big old Facebook post. He calls the media reporting
of what's going on in the Maori party the white
feeding frenzy. What a cool guy, just being a racist,

(14:35):
just casually being racist again like he does. And then
he reveals all this drama about Muria Menal Kappa Kingiy
and Hannah Mikey Clark and Hunnah Mike P. Clark is
the star of the party, you know, the one who
ripped up the paper at the start of the huckut
and stuff. And he reveals that Muria Kappa King he
tried to stop Hannah Mighty Clark being number one on
the list that they put out, and it was basically

(14:56):
just you know, egos and stuff like that. But I
don't know whether hunnah Ip Clark actually knew that Muddy
a man lookup a King. He tried to basically stop
her being number one on the list. But she does
now because the old president dropped a bomb in the
whole situation. Anyway, Barry Soap is going to be with
us on that shortly, so stand by for that. Hither.
This is a total train wreck for Netball New Zealand.

(15:17):
The conclusion in the interview today should have close so
many chapters. Now I only have so many answers. I
think we all do. News is next.

Speaker 1 (15:32):
The day's newspeakers talk to Heather First, Heather do for
Cellen drive with One New Zealand and the power of
Satellite Mobile New Stork said, be a remember when we
were driving driving in your car.

Speaker 4 (15:45):
I've got my popsform, but I can't decide which show.
I'm more interested in watching the Netball New Zealand show
all the Maori party circus. It's unfortunate when things like
this clash when you've only got so much attention. Listen,
Barry Soap is going to be a US in ten minutes.
We're also going to talk to Nicola Willis. Of course,
Nicola Willis, Finance Minister, is going to be thus after
six o'clock as per and I'm going to get you
across some of the things we will talk to her

(16:06):
about when I get a chance. First, though, have you
seen what the cops have been busted doing? So this
is I think relatively serious. One hundred and twenty police
staff are under investigation. They're accused of making up breath tests.
Thirty thousand breath tests. The cops didn't realize this was
happening until they built a new algorithm to analyze data,

(16:27):
and it kind of, you know, drew them to the
fact that there were thirty thousand tests that were not
real tests. Now they haven't said why the officers did it.
They it doesn't a be to be the target that
the government said, because remember the government set a target
and said you have to do three point three million
breath tests in a year. It doesn't appear to be
that because the cops were never not going to meet

(16:47):
that target. Right, They've done four point two millions, So
it's not an attempt to kind of puff the numbers up.
I mean, the first thought is, were these guys sent
out to do breath tests and they just part they
just did a bunch of like thirty thousand fake ones
so they didn't have to sit there at the b
you know, like, what's the There has to be a
motivation for it. We're going to have a chat to
the assistant the acting sorry, acting Deputy Police Commissioner, Jill

(17:11):
Rodgers Holbet that's just up to five o'clock to try
and explain this conundrum twenty three away from five.

Speaker 1 (17:16):
It's the world wires on news talks they'd be drive.

Speaker 4 (17:19):
The confirmed death toll from Hurricane Melissa and Jamaica has
risen to twenty eight. The number is expected to rise
further as more remote areas of the island are being reconnected.
A local MP says the rebuild will be a big job.

Speaker 10 (17:31):
I mean with the climate crisis that is there, you
have to rebstoria structures, even put ten back on just
the zinc or you know, it's a temporary matter because
an as system that will come, we'll answer to remove
for them again.

Speaker 4 (17:45):
The coalition in Australia is having some internal issues over
their climate policy. The National Party has abandoned the target
of net zero emissions by twenty fifty day. They did
that yesterday. Now there's reportedly a split in the Liberal
Party on whether they need to follow the Nationals. Example,
the shadow Housing Minister says this needs to get sorted
out fast.

Speaker 2 (18:02):
This is impacting our ability to hold the governmental account.
My view is it should be resolved in the next few.

Speaker 4 (18:06):
Weeks and finally. Over in the UK, Man city striker
Earling Harland has been having a bit of fun for Halloween,
he dressed up as the Joker and he headed out
onto the streets of Manchester to see if anyone would
recognize him, and, as it turned out year they did.
Despite the awesome makeup, almost everyone he met saw right
through the costume and realized it was him.

Speaker 2 (18:25):
You don't see you, boy? How did you know? Look
at that height? Send play. I told you.

Speaker 4 (18:31):
It's the height. He's six foot five, So he does
stand out.

Speaker 1 (18:36):
International correspondence with ends and eye insurance. Peace of mind
for New Zealand business.

Speaker 4 (18:41):
Yeah, the maybe John Tomahead and the CE from Netbull
could swap jobs, Julian, I've heard stupider ideas than that.
Oliver Peterson, six PR Perth Live presenters with us. Hello, Oli,
get a hitter mate. What's going on with your property prices?

Speaker 5 (18:53):
Yeah?

Speaker 11 (18:54):
They're good, aren't they? If you live in Perth, where
I live, then guess what you are doing so well?
In fact that they've risen more than what the average
income here is in Australia. So the average income or
the medium full time salary in Australia is eighty eight thousand,
four hundred bucks. But in Perth our property prices have
risen by more than one hundred thousand dollars this year,
so see you light a head up.

Speaker 4 (19:17):
So now the kids are going to get angry because
now they're gon'd of forourd houses. You know that's happening, Ah.

Speaker 11 (19:21):
Spot on, And if you live over here, like genuinely,
we have been under one percent rental availability now for
five years. The number of properties on market so balance
market in Perth is considered twelve thousand properties for sale
and we hover it between about three thousand and four
thousand a week.

Speaker 4 (19:37):
It is super scary, like you have home.

Speaker 11 (19:39):
Opens here every week where one hundred and twenty families
go through them like it is absolutely there's nothing good
in that. Ultimately, there is nothing good in that at all,
and no one wants to tackle it properly. The cost
of particularly over where I am Western Australia, the cost
of construction is even so much higher than it is
on the Eastern Seaboard for so many obvious reasons. Plus
the number of migrants moving into Australia, particularly wa because

(20:01):
everybody knows how good it is. And we've even got
the bears obviously kicking off in about a year and
a half's time, or should I call it the quackers
head and everyone just wants to be in wa.

Speaker 4 (20:11):
Yeah, okay, because it's a great place. That's why. Now
Susan Lee, why is she out the doors?

Speaker 11 (20:17):
Because she has no policy platforms on anything, She does
not stand for anything, and while the Liberal Party and
the National Party are tearing each other apart, she is
just a sitting duck at the moment, and she really
needs to come out with something. I think there was
a misstep last week as well, attacking the PM's T

(20:38):
shirt when he stepped off the plane and that Joy
Division T shirt. I think ultimately people should have been
questioning why was the PM coming off an aeroplane wearing
a T shirt when he's on business.

Speaker 4 (20:47):
I was told, I was told that he'd ask that
no media film him.

Speaker 2 (20:51):
Because he did.

Speaker 11 (20:52):
But he knew what he was doing and he knew
it would leak. And I'll tell you why he did it,
because ultimately he wants to send that message back to
the left and the hard care lefties of the Labor Party.
Though I'm still one of you boys and girls, even
though I've just been with Trump, you know, sitting in
his office, maybe looking as though I was, you know,
the puppet and I was having.

Speaker 4 (21:10):
A good giggle. I'm still a big member of the
left of the Labour Party. Seeing you Enjoy Division T
shirt a signal that you're a lefty.

Speaker 11 (21:18):
Because it signals to you know, his hardcore members of
the lesson Labor Party.

Speaker 4 (21:22):
Correct, Well, I just think it's signals that he's a
try hard Well that too, is that?

Speaker 11 (21:27):
But all these Australian pms, don't you go back to
Howard right used to walk around the streets around the
Wallabies track suit.

Speaker 4 (21:32):
Well, that's a lot cooler, isn't it? Is it? Is
it cooler?

Speaker 11 (21:36):
He's got beaten by England on the weekend.

Speaker 4 (21:38):
But the Wallabies were cool back then, weren't they enjoyed
a vision like a man of his age sixty three
wearing a Joy Division T shirt. It's just really try hard.

Speaker 11 (21:46):
Well, we had Metallica here on the weekend. What do
you want to me in a Metallica T shirt?

Speaker 12 (21:50):
No?

Speaker 4 (21:51):
Well, you know, look, we've had a big discussion on
the show about this. We've just we've just reached the
conclusion while I have that and men of his age
should just stick to basic white T shirts well, or
or how out a collar? What about a collar or
a collar. You could do that, You could do Daggy
Dad collar. Listen, tell me how the Senate hearing is
going to go for the opt to CEO.

Speaker 11 (22:08):
Not good, but it never was going to be. This
is a show trial. He's appeared before the inquiry this morning.
They've been questioning him whether that information provided to Anika Well's,
the Communications Minister, was misleading. Now he was asked with
those initial notifications disingenuous, even only referred to about ten
calls and there obviously dozens and dozens of calls. He
said it was inaccurate, it was not dishonest, and he's apologized.

(22:30):
Look that the government and the opposition for that matter
as well, still probably looking for really his head on
the chopping block. He's lost his CIO, he's lost his CFO.
I don't think Stephen Rue will be leaving Optics, and
he's a fairly new CEO in that position anyway, having
already led the NBN. But this will, as I say,
be a bit of a show trial. You never want
to see this happen again, Absolutely you don't. But I

(22:51):
don't think it will achieve much more than a bit
of grandstanding.

Speaker 4 (22:54):
Got on you, Olie, it's good to talk to you.
Look after yourself. Oliver Peterson six pr Perth Life Present
to eighteen away from five.

Speaker 2 (23:01):
Hell do for Seelos Right?

Speaker 4 (23:03):
So Oasis? So I did not come back with an
Oasis T shirt because I cannot be criticizing Elbow for
wandering around in his Joy Division T shirt and then
wandering around in an Oasis T shirt. But let me
tell you that the Core club in Melbourne yesterday was
filled with about one thousand losers who were all wearing
their Oasis T shirts like everybody was in their Oasis.
There was a family of four there mom, dad and

(23:25):
the two kids. They're all wearing their Oasis gigs gears.
I was like, wow, chances you went to Oasis last night.
Hi anyway, so only teasing. If you bought the gear,
I'd be wearing the gear all the time. So everybody
knew that I was cool and went. Did you not
if you went to the concert in Melbourne? Did you
not just sit there like I didn't think I feel nostalgic,

(23:46):
and I just felt nostalgic. For a time when it
just felt simpler, you know. It was the mid nineteen nineties.
Blue was cool. Oasis was cool. Being a football hooligan
was cool. Like a football hooligan was the big threat
that the UK faced, right, and the UK was cool.
We wanted to go and live there. Everybody wanted to
go do an oe there and hang out with the

(24:08):
gallaghers and being in the same place as anyway nowadays.
Then you look at it, then come home and then
somebody stabs somebody on a train in London and you say,
and nobody wants to live in London anymore. If you
want to do anae, you do an oe to. I
don't know, you know Australia nowadays or whatever. I just thought, jeseus.
It was a good time, wasn't it when Oasis was cool?
So that's the first thing is you're going to sit
there and go I am so nostalgic. Second thing is

(24:28):
their music hasn't aged well because it's I was sitting
there going, m this is very basic rock. Like it's
a lot of c's and g's and d's and a's
and all of it. Isn't the major key, do you
know what I mean? Like it's all very simple, just
four just four chords. Basically, I thought, yeah, this is
probably it could have been more complicated boys. But anyway,

(24:49):
so it was great in the nineties, maybe less great now.
This is my tip if you are going, drink a
lot of beer before you go to the concert, because
I feel like a lot of beer will make the
music more complicated for you. Having said that, and then
you can have a big sing along and you have
a great time. Having said that, So glad I went.
Wouldn't have missed it for the world. They're playing in
Sydney next week. And if you've got the dollars in
the time, do it. Quarter two.

Speaker 1 (25:13):
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Speaker 4 (25:18):
Oh goodness, I'm supposed to speak thirteen. I know you
what I get hold on And the no, the reason
I forgot to speak is I'm reading a statement from
Dame Nolene that I have to talk about. This a
new statement that's just come out and it's just made
everything just one frustrated with that's more important than exactly
So I'm going to talk about that later on, but

(25:38):
right now it's thirteen away from five. Barry Sober Senior
Political Correspondence with me High Barry so Well, the Maori
parties and meltdown, isn't it.

Speaker 13 (25:45):
Well, you know we've been saying this, haven't we for weeks?
Now it's in meltdown, but it just gets goes from
bad to words. Now they're calling for John Tammaheady's resignation
and it comes following a vote by the party members
to suspend Amino Cappa Kingi, the executive of Teitai Tonga.

(26:05):
They cover the South Island. Of course, it's Takuta Ferris's
electric that they abstained from that resolution. And now they're
adding fuel to the fire as well. Now Takuota Ferris,
he says that he supported Cappakinghi and he didn't agree
with the motion to suspender. Now that's all very fine.

(26:28):
Then we had John Talman Herry heading back and a
very large post on social media today he called it
a white freezing of a white feeding frenzy.

Speaker 2 (26:40):
You know, just leave.

Speaker 14 (26:41):
Racism is so undistsarb If any political party was melting
down to the extent that they are regardless of race,
you'd be talking about it.

Speaker 13 (26:52):
I mean, this is politics. Nevertheless, he decided to have
a go bad. He also dug in and he said
that but this is not Carpa Kingy's first rodeo in
August twenty twenty three, and he's trying to drive further
divisions in the party, he said. Cappa Kingy objected vehemently

(27:16):
to the position of Hannah Mighty Clark on the list,
and essentially she objected to it because they didn't want
someone in nappies to take that electorate. Well, you know,
so now he's driven the division further quite trying to isolate.

Speaker 4 (27:32):
Well, it does it not feel so if you've heard
the rumors, right, you've you've heard Maria men or Kapa Kingi, Yep,
it was problematic. She's now been whatever she has suspended.

Speaker 13 (27:41):
I don't know how to do it.

Speaker 4 (27:43):
So she's on the and you've heard Takuzaferis's trouble as well.
Now his electorate has caused more trouble. And then you
also heard Hannah Mighty Clark has been difficult for party leadership.

Speaker 13 (27:54):
Kuiper the new one.

Speaker 4 (27:56):
It feels like what John Tamerhead is trying to do here.
I have a witge between Maria Menou and Hannah, so
they don't go together exactly.

Speaker 13 (28:05):
And also, I mean the divisions are all over the place.

Speaker 2 (28:07):
He's trying to drive.

Speaker 4 (28:08):
Now, Okay, so Luxein's had something to say, Oh, of course.

Speaker 13 (28:11):
Yes, sir, this is music to the government's He is
Chris Luxen at his post cabinet news conference was having
fun at the Maori parties expense.

Speaker 15 (28:19):
I don't think to party Maray is a serious outfit.
I think they are activists. I think that performative. I've
never had a sensible I've never heard of a single
policy idea from Taparty Maori about how they're going to
improve outcomes from Maori students, Maori health, Marie achievement, and
so you know, I don't take them seriously frankly, and
I think you know the people. I don't want to
work with them. I won't be working with them. But

(28:40):
the guy that does is Chris Sipkins. He wants to
work with them, so does he want to work with
the Greens. All that means is more tax more spending,
more borrowing, and frankly, a party that hasn't had one
serious policy idea. I mean, imagine a cabinet table where
Chris Hopkins is sitting there with Chloe Swoalburicker's Minister of Finance,
and Martin mcdavidson and Rawery Ytt and Dewi Nolapecker. That
is just chaos, you know, it's just a complete soap opera. Well,

(29:03):
we came here to do serious things and that's what
I'm getting out of bed to do every day. What
the hell everyone else does? I don't really care.

Speaker 13 (29:09):
Frankly, I've never heard lux And has sort of so
stirred up about animation, doesn't he? Well, I think you know,
his objectives is obviously trying to keep them out of power.
So he said that any accommodation that National may have
with them is out the gate, unlike what John Key

(29:31):
did in two thousand and eight.

Speaker 4 (29:33):
Listen very quickly, what's going on with the Captain takes Idea?

Speaker 13 (29:36):
Essentially, they look, they haven't answered the essential question, when
do you get your valuation?

Speaker 4 (29:43):
When do you get your valuation? Who does the valuation?
Who pays for the valuation?

Speaker 16 (29:48):
Yeah?

Speaker 13 (29:48):
Well, a spokesperson for the Inland Revenue they said they
don't want to be commenting on the policy, but they said, look,
the approaches that have been made concerning the bright line test,
which is the the current capital gains takes we really have,
doesn't apply because it doesn't use evaluation day, which is
quite correct uses a sail day and grateful values have

(30:10):
been talked about, the values council gives on your property,
and of course they can't be relied on because you
may have upgraded your property, put a swimming pool in
the backyard or something. So yeah, you know, I mean
this is a policy without a hell of a lot.

Speaker 4 (30:23):
Iween capital gains in the Maori party see labors on
tractor not win the next election. As thank you, Barry
very Soper, Senior political correspondent. We'll get across the netball
New Zealand statement that's just come through from Dame Knowles
eight away from five.

Speaker 2 (30:36):
The headlines and the hard questions. It's the mic asking breakfast,
welcome back.

Speaker 17 (30:41):
Can I publicly start by thanking you about half of
my South, the family and actually the Tippoo community for
keeping the home fires burning so to speak. I'm elated
to be back and it feels like game day.

Speaker 18 (30:51):
If I'm going to be honest, good do you sit
here this morning happy and vindicated?

Speaker 2 (30:55):
Or is there more to it?

Speaker 14 (30:56):
Look?

Speaker 17 (30:57):
I do sit here feeling happy. I don't take my
role lightly. I feel I'm a guardian as a head
coach number eleven, and I don't know.

Speaker 2 (31:06):
That the fact you're back but not back. Are you
happy about that?

Speaker 18 (31:09):
Look, I'm back.

Speaker 17 (31:10):
It's probably the thing that I that I'm holding on.

Speaker 19 (31:13):
To back tomorrow at six am the Mic Hosking Breakfast
with the Defend News Talk z.

Speaker 4 (31:18):
B West Pax profits up. I don't I don't know
if that makes your day better or worse, but it's
gone up impressively if you're a showered he probably stoked
thirteen percent. Net profit is now one point two billion dollars.
That's up from around about one billion dollars last year.
Trouble is, that's not trouble enough, but the trouble is
more particularly there is based on the net interest margin.

(31:40):
So this is basically what the thing they're making a
profit on. Right, it's gone from two point two percent
last year to two point three two percent this year.
And do you do you want me to tell you
the paypacket of the chief executive?

Speaker 3 (31:52):
What was that?

Speaker 4 (31:53):
Yes, okay, here we go. Katherine McGrath. Katherine McGrath was
earning Australian Oh no, I'll give it to you New
Zealand dollars. Two million dollars last year, four million dollars
this year. Now you's got to go treat yourself. You

(32:13):
deserve it anyway, Nikola Willis. Remember how Nikola was like,
I don't like this banking situation. She's with us after six,
we'll talk to her about it. Okay. So Netball New Zealand,
so I said to called Netball New Zealand today. I said,
Netball New Zealand, can you please come on the show.
I don't think you realized how serious this is what
Dame Knowles has said. And I said, particularly the but
where Dame Noles said that she was stood down and
she actually doesn't even know why. And they said, okay, well,

(32:35):
well no we can't go. That went away. I had
to think about it. No we can't come on the show.

Speaker 14 (32:39):
Okay.

Speaker 4 (32:39):
I was like, just so you know, it's really not
normal that Mike Hostkin does an interview with someone across
four interview segments, and it's not normal that the world,
the country is this interested in what you've got to
say and what's going on. No, we'll send yester. They
sent me a statement clarifying Dame Knowles's comments. The review
did not get into specific details or allegations in a
way that could identify individual players, so those are the

(33:02):
details I don't have. I can appreciate why anonymity is important,
but I did find that difficult. How does this statement
make it better? This statement just confirms that what she
said was true. She does not know why she was
stood down. That is mental as anyway, that's still not
coming on the show, So we're going to talk to
Max's whitehead about how Mentalist is next.

Speaker 1 (33:27):
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Speaker 4 (33:43):
Afternoon. Dame no Lean Todu's latest round of interviews has
raised more questions than answers. She says she doesn't know
why she was stood down from her job.

Speaker 17 (33:53):
In real simple terms, I don't know and I can't
tell you, and that's that's why truth.

Speaker 4 (34:00):
And with regards to how she managed to get the
job back and whether she was cleared of whatever allegations
were leveled against.

Speaker 18 (34:05):
Her, there's been no investigation.

Speaker 17 (34:08):
What I what I am happy with is that I'm
reinstated and I'm looking forward to the Commonwealth.

Speaker 4 (34:15):
Game in the last half hour. Netblen New Zealand has
sent us a statement attributed to Dame Noline saying the
review did not clarifying her statements from this morning, by
the way, saying the review did not get into specific
details or allegations in a way that could identify individual players.
So those are the details I don't have. Netblen New
Zealand has declined to come on the show to talk
about it. Max Whitehead is an employment expert. I MAXI Max.

(34:39):
I'm well, can you stand down an employee without telling
them specifically what they're accused of?

Speaker 8 (34:46):
The answer to that is no, you cannot do that because,
particularly somebody high profile, like in this circumstances, because everything's
exaggerated and everything's you know, ratchet up on the fact
that she's high profile. It's costing her reputation and the
fact that the employer has an obligation on good faith

(35:06):
and a natural justice to provide her with a name
and people of what the allegations are. If what she's
saying is correct and she hasn't been notified of that,
then there's a complete breach of the obligation of an
employer here. If they are employers, So what about so
if she's not, even if she's a contractor, Heather yea,

(35:28):
then they've still got obligations to treat her in you know,
in the fairness of the whole situation.

Speaker 4 (35:36):
So what about the argument they've obviously leveled to her,
which is, we can't tell you the specific allegations because
doing that would be naming the players, and we've promised
the player's anonymity.

Speaker 8 (35:48):
Well that's the problem. They shouldn't have even raised it
and they even acted on it. Because I coach a
coach HR people all the time. Do not accept confidential promises,
don't engage with them because if a person says, could
I keep this confidential, but I want to talk about
so and so, well you've got to say, well, if

(36:08):
you want us to fix it, then you need to
let us know because we're going to have to confront
that individual and we have a legal obligation to notify
them in natural justice what the who their accuser is
and what their accusations are.

Speaker 4 (36:23):
So, then when she says that there was no investigation
before being reinstated, that explains this, doesn't it There was
no investigation necessary because they simply changed their mind about
standing her down. They realized they've.

Speaker 8 (36:34):
Made I guarantee this is your next point. More then,
why was she stood down?

Speaker 4 (36:39):
Well? And why was she stood I mean.

Speaker 8 (36:41):
Really it seems ridiculous she stood down for something that's
not that important to do an investigation about.

Speaker 4 (36:45):
Okay, So Max, on a scale of one to ten,
one being this is like only a tiny stuff up.
Ten it's a massive employment stuff up. Where are we sitting?

Speaker 8 (36:55):
I think we're sitting at about an eight or a
seven and eight because the the facts on this one
is because it's such a high profile individuals and because
the whole nation are watching closely, then I would say
that this is actually rattured right up to the to
the top almost because complain that bigger.

Speaker 4 (37:17):
Pardon do heads need to roll for this?

Speaker 2 (37:21):
I would think so.

Speaker 8 (37:22):
I mean you would think that a netball New Zealand
would be getting legal advice before they did this, and
if they have, well, this legal advice isn't up to scratch,
because this is fundamental of any employment advisor out there
would not be telling people to advising an employer or
even a principle and like if she's just a contractor

(37:45):
to conduct themselves in such a way, particularly for public
watching over unbelievable.

Speaker 4 (37:50):
Maxiston, thanks very much, appreciate your time, Max Whitehead. Employment
expert Heather Duplicy Ellen one d and twenty police officers
are under investigation for making thirty thousand breath tests. Jill
Rogers is the acting Deputy Commissioner for the police and
with us.

Speaker 3 (38:04):
Hi, Jill Hi, how are you?

Speaker 4 (38:07):
I'm very well, thank you? Okay. Oh, the how long
a period were they doing this?

Speaker 18 (38:13):
So we started to audit from the first to July
twenty twenty four and concluded it the thirtieth of September
this year, which basically is the period of the current
investment program. So that was the period that we audited.

Speaker 4 (38:26):
Okay, And are you sure every single one of the
officers was doing it?

Speaker 18 (38:31):
Of one hundred and twenty that we've identified years, why
were they doing? Now we're working that's going to be
interesting as to what comes out of the employment investigation,
as they'll have their own individual investigations now to work
through to work out why they did it. You know,
I scratched my head, going what on earth were they thinking?

(38:52):
It appears that many of them were done on the
way to or from legitimate checkpoints, and we've got a
range of the one hundred and twenty. Some of them
have done small numbers, some of them have done more numbers.
Some of them have spread over a short period of time,
and some of the other ones are spread over the
whole period.

Speaker 4 (39:13):
Is it because they wanted to increase the numbers that
they could say a number of breath tests so they
could say they had done that particular day. Is this
something as simple as that?

Speaker 18 (39:21):
Potentially it was, yeah, potentially with an individual thing that
they felt the need to contribute more to. But you know,
the thing is that exceeded the target anyway with the
legitimate testing that they've done, and that we're confident in
the figures that have legitimately been tested. That why they
needed to add the extras on at the start and

(39:42):
end of the shift.

Speaker 4 (39:43):
Is it possible that they were wagging and weren't actually
doing the breath testing in the first place, but just
faking it.

Speaker 18 (39:49):
No, we've been able to go through and confirm that
they were on duty when they've been done.

Speaker 4 (39:54):
How how do you do it? How do you think
a breath test?

Speaker 18 (40:00):
The machines that are all assigned, they have GPS technology,
in them, and they are assigned to individual officers, so
they record where they are, the time of the day,
all of that sort of data that are individually assigned
to the officer, and so we can see how many
tests are done. And that's where we built this algorithm
to be able to look at the data and say,

(40:22):
are there any anomalies and are there any inconsistencies, And
that's how these ones came out that we could see
the algorithm that we built as indicated two tests done
within a ninety second period that was done at over
twenty kilometers to our house.

Speaker 4 (40:40):
Do you do while they're traveling? Obviously, how do you
do a fake test?

Speaker 18 (40:44):
Yeah? Yeah, so just putting the button and so this
is what the algorithm has shown up is that they
were moving. It's either what you would consider a legitimate
even a running speed. So they've been traveling while they've
done it, and that's how the algorithm has packed up consistently.

Speaker 4 (41:01):
What's the worst case for these guys is it a
sackable offense.

Speaker 18 (41:06):
And we'll have to work through the employment process with them.
So we've come up with a framework that looks at
the different levels and of course we've got people across
the organization that have been packed up in this order,
and so we'll let that employment investigations take their place
and determine what those outcomes will be. Not flash, Jill, thanksappointing.

Speaker 4 (41:24):
Yeah, Jill, thank you. Okay, imagine, thanks very much for
your time. Jill Rogers rather Acting Deputy Police Commissioner. I've
got it feels like a silly day today, doesn't It
feels like a day of people doing really dumb things.
So I've got a dumb thing from the labor party
to tell you about limited but not so dumb thing.
The amount of unpaid work we all do has been quantified.
I've got numbers for you. Stand by for that quarter

(41:45):
past Heather. Both Jenny Wiley and Matt Winnerrey have absolutely
got to go. This is dreadful and disgraceful treatment of
Dame Noline and if they don't walk, high performance Sport
needs to step in. I actually think a lot of
people will be reaching this, certainly the conclusion that I
reached at the start of the show. I think you
if you were listening eighteen parts five, now we've got
a dollar for give for you on how much unpaid
labour people are doing for their households. Now this relates

(42:06):
to Australia. Unpaid labor is basically the house housework, by
the way stuff like cock and clean and caring for
family members turns out over in Aussie. There's seven hundred
and eighty seven billion New Zealand dollars of unpaid labor
happening every year. The majority obviously is done by women.
Leonora Reese is the Associate professor of economics at the
University of canber who's done the numbers and is with
US high Leonora, Hi, Heather, great to join you. Yeah,

(42:28):
it's good to talk to you, dreck. And it's roughly
the same in New Zealand.

Speaker 12 (42:32):
Oh.

Speaker 5 (42:32):
I imagine New Zealand and Australia do have a lot
of similarities. And a shout out to my New Zealand
family members. I have a lot of family over in
New Zealand as well, so I think we do have
similar cultural norms and patterns. So I imagine it's not too
dissimilar in New Zealand. But also of course there's still

(42:53):
variation in different households.

Speaker 4 (42:55):
We have to do this work, Leonora. No, you have
to wash the dishes, you have to back in the floors.
You have to look after the kids. So what's the
value in putting a dollar value on it?

Speaker 5 (43:05):
Well, you are right, I think you make it a
really good point there, Heather, that it's essential work. Right,
So it is essential. We have to do it. It holds
our economy together, it holds our society together. And yes,
we don't do it to get paid. Often we do
it because we have to do all because we really care,
you know, when we're caring for our loved ones or
family members with the disability, elderly parents. We do it altruistically.

(43:28):
But the fact that most of it is done by women,
so two thirds of this work is done by women.
If we're not recognizing it, then what we're doing is
we're not recognizing women's overall contribution to the economy, the
productive activities that hold our economy together. So it's about

(43:49):
shining a spotlight on it. And yes, it's essential. But
because we've got such strong gender patterns and we still
see this gender gap in pay and decision make king
you know this is this still feeds into some of
those inequities and those biases in our economic system.

Speaker 4 (44:06):
Leonora, I don't know how to break out of this though,
because frankly, we're just women are just more efficient, better
at washing the dishes, generally better at cooking, definitely have
a better eye for a spot of dirt. So unless
we want to live in filthy houses and eat gross food,
we have.

Speaker 2 (44:22):
To do it.

Speaker 5 (44:24):
Yeah, Look, I think there are some households where, you know,
some there's an argument to be made head of that.
Maybe men are quite intentionally I'm not saying, oh man.

Speaker 4 (44:36):
Are you going to come at me with that one
as possible.

Speaker 5 (44:38):
Quite intentionally not you know, doing a high quality job
so that it prompts households to specialize. In economics, we actually,
you know, we talk about households specializing and who specializes
in you know, doing that, the kitchen cleaning, and who
looks up you know, mows of the lawn, and that

(45:00):
can be a reflection of ability as well as preferences
and priority. But I think, you know, things are also changing.
If we're saying, we're saying to women, step into the
paid workforce, invest in your education, you know, study work
hard in building your financial independence. And yet at the
same time, if household work is still so unbalanced, then

(45:23):
there's something, you know, something still unbalanced at home, achieve
try balance.

Speaker 4 (45:28):
Leonora, thank you, I really appreciate this is fascinating. Leonora Reese,
Associate Professor of Economics at the University of Canberra. What
the Blokes do is called weaponized incompetence and don't pretend
you don't do it. Now we're going to talk about
the trip to Melbourne next. I've got something to say
about that. And also see Simon dallow has finally decided. Yep,
that's what he's announced. The date he's gone by the

(45:48):
end of the month, and what's the face Melissa is
going to be taking over Melissa Stokes. So Dunk and
Grief of the spinoff will talk us through whether this
was the right choice for TV ins in and he's
with us after the half past News five twenty two.

Speaker 1 (46:00):
The name you trusted to get the answers you need,
it's Heather duplus Clan Drive with one New Zealand coverage
like no one else News Talk.

Speaker 2 (46:09):
They'd be Feather.

Speaker 4 (46:11):
Bring back Judy are Judy Bailey the last one We
really Loveday with a passion, but that was back in
the day when we all watched the News five twenty five.
Now listen, let me tell you how busy Melbourne was
this past weekend when I was there, Oasis was on
at Marvel Stadium, Ricky Martin was on at Rod Labor,
The cricket was on at the MCG and the races

(46:31):
were on right and they're still on. Obviously, Melbourne had
more big events in one weekend than Auckland has in
three months, and as a result, the city was pumping.
The hotels would choker, the shops would choker, the restaurants
with choker everywhere we went, even for breakfast, we were
asked if we had a booking. When when was the
last time you went somewhere in New Zealand for breakfast?
And we're asked, do you have a breakfast booking? Every

(46:53):
time we went out for breakfast, do you have a booking?
Luckily we managed to squeak in basic. Hotel rooms were
going for six hundred dollars each and that's just for
the basic ones. One of my friends went into a
shop and came out with about three outfits. That is
how much money was being spent in the city.

Speaker 5 (47:08):
Right.

Speaker 4 (47:08):
You wouldn't know that if you were there, But this
is a city that is facing basically the same kind
of trouble in the city central that Auckland City and
Wellington City currently are facing, but they're dealing with it differently.
In Melbourne, they're just filling their city up with tourists
instead of turning it over like Auckland and Wellington are
to trouble at night now. To be honest, while I

(47:29):
was there, I actually was really confronted with how busy
it was, how good the vibe was. I've kind of
forgotten what that felt like because it's been such a
long time in our major cities that we've had that.
And if I wasn't already convinced that Auckland needs to
go hard for a bed tax for tourists, I'm absolutely
convinced now. So I'm in Bridges and Wayne Brown are right.
We need to get events into Auckland City on the
regular and to do that, we need to get the

(47:49):
tourists themselves to pay for those events rather than the
rate payers. With this bed tax. It's good for hospital
it's good for retail, it's good for accommodation, it's good
for the vibe. And the difference between Melbourne and Auckland
now is night and day. And I'll tell you what,
Having been there. We've clearly got a fair bit.

Speaker 2 (48:04):
Of catching up to do either dupic Allen.

Speaker 4 (48:08):
Right, Labor, here we go. Labor. It turns out has
no idea how it's going to do the capital gain
X because it has no idea how it's going to
value all the houses in the country on one day,
the first of July twenty twenty seven. So remember how
I asked Chippy when it when it came out last week.
Remember how I asked Chippy that and he's like, oh,

(48:29):
there's a bunch of ways and all the text working
group said and it was a bunch of ways, and
I was like, what are those ways? He well, no,
he didn't know. And they still don't know. They don't
know because it's a massive problem with their policy. Right,
how do you value every single house in this country
on the one day the first of July. We do
not have enough valuers, right, you simply don't. Then they

(48:49):
wouldn't have enough time. So what they've decided is don't
worry about it, and that's their policy on and they're like,
don't worry about it, we'll figure it out after the election.
So they've decided what kinds of valuation can be used,
how many methods would be available to us, who pays
for the valuation, whether we can contest the valuation, and
what happens if a property does not get evaluation within

(49:10):
the five year period. Don't worry about it. I'll figure
it out after the election.

Speaker 20 (49:14):
Is that for you?

Speaker 4 (49:15):
With confidence? Neither right? We'll talk about Simon Dallo next.

Speaker 1 (49:27):
On your smart speaker, on the iHeart app and in
your car on your drive home. It's Heather duplicy Ellen
drive with one New Zealand hand of power of satellite
mobile news talks.

Speaker 2 (49:37):
There'd be.

Speaker 5 (49:44):
Right.

Speaker 4 (49:44):
We've got the huddle standing by Thomas Scrumer and Josepgani.
Thomas is in for Trish today and then after six
as per usual. Niko lewillis the finance ministers with us.
Right now it's twenty four away from six now. Simon
Dallo has finally confirmed the rumors and the speculation he
is leaving the job. He'll be out of the job
at the end of NOVA the weekend News read and
Melissa Stokes will replace him. TV and Z has called
it the end of an era. Duncan Greeve is a

(50:06):
media commentator and founder of the spin off High Duncan.

Speaker 3 (50:09):
Kelder had that Simon is.

Speaker 4 (50:10):
Very good at his job, wasn't he?

Speaker 21 (50:13):
He was, and for a very long time too.

Speaker 4 (50:16):
But is it really that long? I mean, Judy Bailey
did it for twenty yearsn't mean that's just kind of
how long you expect it to be, don't you.

Speaker 7 (50:23):
I don't know.

Speaker 21 (50:23):
In media in this era, eighteen years feels like a
good shift.

Speaker 4 (50:27):
Yeah, I suppose it does. Melissa Stokes is an interesting choice.
I thought she is the continuity candidate, right, the safe option,
which feels to me a little bit more like hanging
on to your existing viewers rather than trying to win
ow the new viewers. Do you think.

Speaker 21 (50:41):
I think that's exactly what it is, and I think
that's why it's the correct decision, because there aren't that
many other new viewers to be fought for. You know,
if you look at the ratings for three News there
it's pretty there's not a lot there. Yeah, they've gone
down a bit, but it almost feels more like attrition

(51:03):
from you know, six pm. Then it does transfer to
TV and Z, so you know, the the six pm
news for TV and Z is how the night starts.
It's it both in and of itself, and in terms of
the revenue it unlocks for the rest of the evening
is absolutely critical infrastructure, probably the single most important program

(51:24):
in New Zealand media from a total revenue perspective, So
you just don't want to scare the horses.

Speaker 4 (51:30):
How many of viewers are left over at TV three.

Speaker 21 (51:33):
I think there's The numbers for three News are typically
around one hundred and sixty thousand, which isn't not bad.
It's still still a decent chunk of people. But TV
and z's news product is off and over six hundred thousand,
and you know, if all they want to do is
keep that number as high as possible for as long
as possible while they sort of try and figure out digital.

Speaker 4 (51:56):
Is it true that if you add together the viewers
who watch it, you know, on teley, versus the viewers
who watch it online, you end up with a number
over a million.

Speaker 21 (52:05):
I mean, I think that there's some sort of creative
accounting involved in that. If you look at this sort
of average viewership, that's not quite true. But if it's
the title people who watch some of it across platforms,
it might well be. I'll probably have someone from TV
and Z Coms on the phone to me after this.
But I think it all depends on how you count it.

Speaker 4 (52:26):
What do you think Because they've got, they've obviously got
you can watch it on Telly, then you can watch
it on TV and Z Plus. Do you think they're
also adding what you watch on one news, dot co
dot nz? Is that also being added in?

Speaker 20 (52:38):
Potentially?

Speaker 21 (52:39):
But I think it's more just did you watch some
of the news, not all of the news. Did you
catch a segment of the news even on TV and
Z Plus, then you're a viewer potentially.

Speaker 4 (52:50):
Yeah. But I mean if you're going on to TV
and Z plus and actually tapping the news, then you
genuinely are review aren't you, like you're hunting something out?

Speaker 21 (52:58):
Yeah, But they also have it broken down into segment,
so you might just watch one three minute segment as
a sixty minute comet.

Speaker 4 (53:05):
Duncan that makes a lot of sense because I thought
a million people sitting down to watch the news is
absolute bollocks, and it is as bollocks. No, not that
many people are.

Speaker 21 (53:13):
Watching the news, No, I mean even six hundred thousand
is a pretty extraordinary number as a percentage of our population.
You know, there aren't many news products in around the
world which have that kind of present penetration. Sorry, so
they're doing well, that's why they want, you know, Melissa
Stokes very good news reader. But you know, you could
have got creative, You could have gone and promoted someone

(53:34):
from outside of the stable or from the different platforms.

Speaker 4 (53:37):
That would have been the baller move wouldn't move.

Speaker 21 (53:40):
We are pretty aggressive aggressive one. But I'm sure that
they would have done a good sort of robust test
and run some kind of you know, focus grouping with viewers.
But I think they like their candidate. And Melissa's such
a familiar face, you know, because she does weekends, because
she does filling in Sundays, you know, is my understanding
is the most view bulletin of the week anyway, So

(54:02):
you kind of you just want to keep the thing high.

Speaker 4 (54:05):
Yeah, I suppose that's true. Duncan always always enjoy chatting
to you. Thank you so much. Duncan Grief, co founder
of the Spinoff or Spinoff founder actually a media commentator.
Twenty away from six Should I just make the noise
with my mouth? Ants today?

Speaker 2 (54:21):
Heather do for Ellen?

Speaker 3 (54:22):
Heather de c Ellen the huddle.

Speaker 4 (54:24):
And with me now is Thomas Scrimger Maximum Institute and
Joseph Gani, CEO of Child Found How are you too,
who I'm gonna have to get it. We're having a
mareor of it with the computer system today, so one
of you. If this thing doesn't work next time, I
designate you Josie as having to do it. Josie, Yeah,
that's fantastic. There is absolute fury coming at me, Josie

(54:46):
on the text machine over the unpaid unpaid work interview?
Did you hear that interview?

Speaker 22 (54:52):
I did, and I would like to plead my nolling toto.
I'll talk from my truth, yes, not my husband's truth,
and I can't comment on specifics. I have signed an
MDA with him and there has been no formal investigation.

Speaker 4 (55:05):
You are doing the lion's share of the work, and
ain't nobody paying for you?

Speaker 3 (55:09):
Yes?

Speaker 22 (55:09):
I am, and sing as my husband's out of the country,
I'm just going to throw all that away that when
our kids were small, I did do most of the
washing and he's never acknowledged it. He never acknowledges it.
And I did do most of the cleaning, even though
when I was working we had a cleaner. But look
the one tip I would give woman with this is
get your husband to do the cleaning when you've had

(55:30):
an argument, not after the argument, when you're making up,
but when you've had an argument, because then I used
to find that my husband would he'd be desperate to
prove that he was a really good cleaner, and he
polished that bloody bathroom with the top.

Speaker 4 (55:42):
So you get so bring clean done.

Speaker 22 (55:45):
Yeah, if you've had an argument, you've got to do
it during the argument, not after.

Speaker 4 (55:49):
Yeah, after that, don't care anymore, Thomas, Are you in
a relationship with a woman? I hear that, Yeah, who
does the majority of everything in the house.

Speaker 20 (55:57):
Oh well, I might have to bleed the fifth on
that way as well.

Speaker 23 (56:01):
But I think it is an interesting thing with these
measures of domestic labor because they are kind of a
two edged sword, and that it's a really good thing
that you can measure. It kind of makes visible things
that are often invisible and underacknowledged. But it also reducing
it to a dollar value is the economists like to do.
It can be a bit reductive. I mean, it might
actually have some use when talking about the cleaning, which

(56:22):
is perhaps no one's passion in life, but perhaps very
few mothers would consider time with their children purely in
dollar terms. So my observation would be is that these
sort of measures get a lot of cachet with policymakers
who really want to explain to people how they ought
to organize their lives, rather than recognizing the choices people make.

Speaker 22 (56:41):
Are you're going to my kids for the time spent
with them?

Speaker 8 (56:45):
Yeah?

Speaker 18 (56:45):
Because some of it was really boring.

Speaker 4 (56:47):
Yeah, Thomas, are you suggesting that women love spending time
with their children so much that they want to spend
every waking minute with their children and never go away
to Oasis and Melbourne and dudes. But dudes don't have
that kind of passion, which is why they love to
go play golf at the weekends.

Speaker 23 (57:06):
I wouldn't go that for Heather, but very careful time.

Speaker 4 (57:10):
There are some angry, hormonal women here. We're just looking
for an excuse to pick a fight in a pus
right now.

Speaker 23 (57:15):
Yeah, I'd say, you do a lot of work in
your home that people couldn't pay you what cares are
paid to do?

Speaker 20 (57:21):
You do what?

Speaker 4 (57:21):
We rephrase that, Thomas and say, hither you do all
the work in your home, thank you.

Speaker 20 (57:26):
And no one could pay you enough to do it.
It's only a labor of love.

Speaker 4 (57:31):
Said like a true man. Okay, listen, let's take a
break because I've got to read some of it, some
of these texts out and we'll take a break. We'll
come back talk about Dame Knowles. Heither, I'm a woman.
I work in a job, family at home, all the
normal chores on top of what we do. We live
on a lifestyle property. The interview with the professor was
a load of bs. Heither, that's bs. I'm a male
and a better cleaner than my wife, who is a
mess constantly. Hither. What about the men cutting the lawns

(57:53):
and decking? What a dumb survey. I know many men cook. OMG,
please stop this crap. I'm a woman and it carries
on sixteen away from six the huddle.

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Speaker 4 (58:06):
Right, You're back on the huddle. It's thirteen away from six.
I've got Thomas and Josie Thomas. How is it possible
that the Netball New Zealand Dame Noles crisis has actually
got worse today?

Speaker 20 (58:17):
And it's remarkable.

Speaker 23 (58:18):
It seems the whole process has been a disaster from
the start, but you're right, it's gotten worse. Dame noling
totoa has come out pretty forthrightly for someone who's just
back in the job. But I guess my observation to
Netburn New Zealand would be that when you suspend someone
with dame.

Speaker 20 (58:36):
In their title, you better be sure everything is above board.
You're not. You know, this isn't junior coach stuff.

Speaker 23 (58:41):
She's already got her dame hood and you're picking a
fight with her. I just want to say I was
really impressed Dave noling Toto did come out and say
that she didn't want to go legal or take the
legal route with Netblen New Zealand because she was concerned
that it was both taxpayers money and money that would
ultimately otherwise go to grassroots netball. So she clearly has
this of I guess do you other parties involved? It's

(59:02):
not just personal for her. But if she is vindicated,
if what they're saying is we don't have any explanation
for why she should have been suspended, I don't see
where the CEO and the board go from here. They
seem to be in hot water.

Speaker 4 (59:15):
Right, I mean, like, honestly, Josie, how do you stand
a woman down without telling her what she's being stood
down for.

Speaker 22 (59:23):
So anyone who's been through this as an employer or
an employee knows that for a start, let's start right
at the end. When you've got an agreement, you agree
talking lines, media message, what you're going to say, you
make sure that you're saying the same thing. You know,
you do some media training around it as well. It
felt like she came out and basically said, very openly,

(59:45):
there was no investigation. I still don't know why I
was stood down. I'm just happy to be back and
it was horrible. But that's an incompetence that's put out.

Speaker 4 (59:54):
A statement to clarify that that is exactly what she
was saying, because what the statement now says, this is
a statement that came out about now ago. The statement
says they could not give her specifics because it would
compromise the anonymity of the individual players. So there were
no specific.

Speaker 22 (01:00:07):
It's mental and so you can't do that right even
if you use the whistleblower legislation, which exists. And I've
been through processes like that as an employer where somebody's
done a whistleblowing process. They don't want their identity known,
but they want to complain about someone or something in
the organization. But even then, when you go through a process,

(01:00:27):
you still have to give specific examples. So you can't
just go, for example, Noline, you were rude to your players.
You have to go you were rude because you said
blah blah blah and you did blah blah blah. So
you don't have to name the person. You do have
to give specific examples, and then you have a right
to defend yourself. And then you come to an agreement

(01:00:49):
whereby either you're going to move the person on, you're
going to negotiate that, even with a press release, even
with talking points about who says what. But in this case,
she's staying and they still haven't done that work when negotiated,
who is saying what? What's what's our line on this?
That's legitimate. So it's just been an absolute cluster from

(01:01:10):
beginning to end.

Speaker 4 (01:01:11):
Totally, Yeah, totally, I think you're on Thomas, You're on
the money. I agree with you. I think that the
chair of the board has got to go in the
CEO as well. Now, what did you make Thomas of
z Energy get in trouble, getting in trouble for that greenwashing.

Speaker 23 (01:01:23):
I mean, my first thought was that petrol company should
probably stop feeling embarrassed about selling petrol.

Speaker 20 (01:01:29):
It's a good thing.

Speaker 23 (01:01:31):
You know, we might hope to move away from a
world where we need to burn fossil fuels, but until
the day we do so, it's a good and honorable
profession to do it. And they should just be proud
of the service they provide. They kind of wanted to
pretend to be something they weren't. They were almost embarrassed
about their profession. And yeah, they should probably get a
slap on the risk for that. Ad They were not
getting out of the business of selling petrol, but we

(01:01:52):
all need it. They should just embrace their identity and
say it's a great thing.

Speaker 4 (01:01:56):
Well said, I agree with him, Josie, what about you?

Speaker 22 (01:01:59):
Yeah, And it's it's been the petrol companies and airlines
in other words, you know, organizations and sectors that use
a hell of a lot of petrol and oil and
diesel and whatever who keep doing this kind of green
washing stuff. And what you're finding globally is that there's
corporate's moving away from this because people have gone, Hold
on a minute, A that's ridiculous, just as you said, Thomas,

(01:02:21):
but also the whole ESG movements that was environment social governance.
You know, Oh, we're a good ESG corporate as we
do good things in the environment, we look after people's
social and governors. Well, the thing is they all piled
into the climate stuff because it's pretty easy for them.
It doesn't actually affect their bottom line at all. What
they didn't do was pile into the S bit of that,

(01:02:42):
which is the social bit ie and we're going to
increase wages and share our wealth with our workers. No,
they didn't do that because that's going to cost them money.
So I think it's just the general sense of cynicism
that people have for this kind of stuff, where they're going, guys,
you're just bullshitting us. You know you're doing ESG is
yesterday's business, right, What is the new ESG? That's really

(01:03:05):
interesting because working for a charity, if we say, as
I do, if we say we're doing good in Solomon
Islands and we're bringing clean water, blah blah blah, we
have to prove it, right, We have to show it,
prove it with data, with evidence, corporates when they say
we're doing wonderful things for the climate, they don't have
to prove it. They don't have to do an audit

(01:03:26):
on whether they're doing it. So what you're finding that
corporates are doing now is that they're moving away from
ESG and they're looking at, say, charities that do something
that aligns with what they do, and they go, well,
we're actually going to fund these guys to do it
because they know what they're doing and they have to
report on it, and we're going to stop pretending we're
a charity.

Speaker 4 (01:03:44):
Yeah, guys, thank you, appreciate it so much. Pare of you.
That's Thomas Springer and Joseph Guanny our heart all this evening.
The new is ESG. The point I'm trying to make
is it's all over the wokie stuff. The new ESG
is energy security and geostrategy. That's all people care about now.
Seven away from six, it's.

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Speaker 4 (01:04:08):
By the way, how refreshing was the police spokesperson Netborn
New Zealand could learn so much from their lack of
transparency and corporate speak. Do you know what can I
just actually bang on Jill Rogers? Is that's the one
you're thinking about now? I think it was Jill beating.
Was Jill involved in the early stages of the once
they shot Tom Phillips. Yeah, Jill came over as she
handled the Tom Phillips death at the start, remember and everything.

(01:04:30):
It was just smoothly handled like she had nothing to
do with that. But she had to step in because
the police commissioner was overseas at the time and he
had to fly back from Australia. Remember he was at
the funeral. Jill just doesn't miss a beat. She is awesome.
She answers the question straight. You feel like you're not
getting the run around from her. I feel like everybody
could learn a little bit from Jill, just answering the questions.
What about the electric bus fire? We'll talk about that

(01:04:53):
later on. What about the electric bus fire? Now? Just
sunder it's four away from six now. I was bummed
out on Friday because I and here on Fridays in
Melbourne and I was bummed out that I wasn't here
to talk about the Telegraph article about Jasinda. Now, if
you haven't caught up on this. The Telegraph on Friday,
did A did an opinion piece entitled we Can't get
rid of Jasinda Ardern and says that Josinda's likely to

(01:05:14):
be a shoe in as the next United Nations Secretary General.
Now I've thought about this and I'm here for that.
I think Justinda needs to get this job. And I'm
gonna give you two reasons why. These are my primary
I've got many reasons, but these are my two top
reasons why Justinda needs to get the job. The first is,
I don't know about you, but I quietly see when
foreigners say things like, oh, you were so lucky that

(01:05:35):
Justinda I've done with oo great. I'm like, oh my gosh. Anyway,
So I feel like all of these people who loved it,
you know, and I experienced that sometimes I think Boris
Johnson's funny. I didn't have to live under Boris Johnson, right,
that was not funny if you were living under Boris Johnson.
So I feel like five years of Jasinda running the
world as the un sect Gen, some of these people

(01:05:57):
may just shut up telling us how awesome she is.
Au they would get to see it front on wouldn't they.
Number two, I don't love the UN at all, and
I'm looking for any reason to just show people how
vacuous and pointless the UN is and potentially how corrupt,
but definitely how much of a waste of money. And
I feel like the UN would think it would be
quite a coup getting just Sender involved. But she's pretty polarizing,

(01:06:21):
and so I feel like if they put her in
there as the boss, it would really vement opinion against
the UN. So I'm like, get her in there, guys,
get her in there. Let's show people how stupid you
really are. Can only be a good thing. Don't don't,
don't hate it, be here for it. Plus also another key,
we're doing well, that's a good thing. Nikola willis.

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Even in coming up in the hour, if you want
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shortly at seven PAS six and with us now as
Nikola Willis the Finance Minister. Nicola Hello, Hello Heather.

Speaker 12 (01:07:18):
How was Oasis? Well?

Speaker 4 (01:07:21):
Thank you, it was great. However do you remember the
mid nineties? Wasn't that a good time?

Speaker 5 (01:07:28):
Well?

Speaker 12 (01:07:28):
I was very young, so yeah, that was a great time.

Speaker 4 (01:07:31):
It was a good time though, and yeah, anyway, so
it was here's the thing, right, it was busy in Melbourne,
very very busy. And I know you said the weekend
in Sydney. Was it as busy with you?

Speaker 12 (01:07:41):
It was? It was very busy. Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:07:43):
So does this mean that you've come back and thought,
m maybe that bead tax for Auckland is a good idea.

Speaker 12 (01:07:48):
It's made me come back and think what a wise
government we were to make that decision to put a
significant investment into promotional events for the country to keep
the economy going.

Speaker 4 (01:07:58):
Yeah, well, no, I don't hate that. What have we
got from it? What have we announced?

Speaker 12 (01:08:03):
Well, there will be announcements over the coming months. Louise
Upston is negotiations and there'll be some exciting events coming
to a city near you.

Speaker 4 (01:08:11):
Isn't Louise trying to get us events? Yes, yes, she's
so agotiating with musicians.

Speaker 12 (01:08:17):
Well she has a team of course, who do that
on her behalf. But Kebnet voted her specific funds to
go out and finds that will bring me.

Speaker 4 (01:08:26):
I know you're into the country. You're talking about the
big sporting thing wink wink, nudge nudge that has to
be announced.

Speaker 12 (01:08:32):
Yes, well we're expecting more than one event will come.

Speaker 4 (01:08:35):
Out, but you know the one I'm talking about. When's
that one being announced?

Speaker 12 (01:08:38):
Well, I know the one that you're referring to, and
I understand discussions are ongoing.

Speaker 4 (01:08:44):
But no, discussions aren't ongoing. It's been sewn up. So
when is it being announced?

Speaker 12 (01:08:48):
Well, I will leave it to Louise Upston to do
the honors on the announcement of big exciting events that
are going to bring to the country and give New
Zealand as something very fun to look forward to in
the weekends.

Speaker 4 (01:08:59):
Here's the problem though, and I like the thing is
these guys over in Australia, their economy is pumping, their
events are pumping. Now how long do we have to
wait in order for us to be even catching up
to that.

Speaker 12 (01:09:11):
Well, look, their inflation rates actually adot harvan ours at
the moment. Their unemployment is not where they want it
to be either. They are in deficit and forecasting a
decaded deficit. So you know, the grass isn't always greener
in every respect. It is true that the Australians have
a larger economy, a more wealthy economy, and I've always
been very upfront I want New Zealand to be a

(01:09:33):
wealthier economy too. That's why we've got to say yes.

Speaker 4 (01:09:36):
The events here. How long before we can actually start
putting going? Yes tax, this is an event that the
government got for us.

Speaker 12 (01:09:44):
You will expect announcements before Christmas, and you will expect
a series of events next year.

Speaker 4 (01:09:48):
Okay, and are you are you possibly open to the
bed tax after the election.

Speaker 12 (01:09:55):
What we're very open to is the need for both
central government and local councils to be doing their bit
to promote events that stimulate economic activity. Now, a number
of councils around the country make room to do that
because they realize it's good for their local people and
their local businesses. Auckland have made a point of not

(01:10:17):
wanting to do that, But Auckland still have choices. There's
nothing to stop Auckland Council choosing to invest in promoting
events that would promote growth in the Yukland economy.

Speaker 4 (01:10:27):
Yes, but then I have to pay for it as
a rate payer, whereas a bid tax means the tourist
has to pay for it. It's a smart idea. Anyway, Listen,
you've spoken to Andrew Bailey since Thursday?

Speaker 12 (01:10:36):
I haven't, although I've just seen him at an event
and said hello, was it awkward? No, it was fine.
He's my colleague.

Speaker 4 (01:10:42):
Yeah, the love in your voice has evaporated, Nikola.

Speaker 12 (01:10:47):
Oh no, Look, I've always had a lot of time
for Andrew, Who's someone I've worked closely with through my career.
And look, I feel for anyone who goes from being
a minister to being a backbenter, and I recognize that
for him, he's had a hard year.

Speaker 4 (01:11:03):
Okay, do you support him clearing his name?

Speaker 12 (01:11:06):
Well, Ultimately, every minister, and believe you me, it's top
of mind for us. All serves at the pleasure of
the Prime Minister, and so it is always for the
Prime Minister to choose whether or not you've met the
requirements of your warrant and whether or not you'd continue
to deserve the role that you're in. And in the
case of Andrew Bailey, he offered his resignation, the Prime

(01:11:27):
Minister accepted it. He has subsequently made clear that without
that resignation, he would have asked for it, And since
then Andrew has wanted to communicate his side of that story.
That's for him to do. But ultimately whether or not
he's a minister is a call for the Prime minister,
and the Prime Minister's sticking to his guns.

Speaker 4 (01:11:46):
Well that's not a yes. So is there any chance
that he might come back as a minister?

Speaker 12 (01:11:52):
Well that would be a question for the Prime Minister
and not for me.

Speaker 4 (01:11:55):
Okay, how do you feel about that thirteen percent increase
in Westpax profit?

Speaker 12 (01:12:00):
Well, look, as you know, I'd like to see more
competition in the New Zealand banking sector because there is
evidence that suggests that banks here get a greater return
on equity than banks and other parts of the world,
and partly that's because they don't face as much competitive pressure. Now,
I'm not going to go after the profitability of any
individual business. That's against my philosophy. What I am going

(01:12:21):
to do and have been doing, setting the conditions in
which greater competition can occur. So, whether that's raising capital
for Kiwi Bank, opening up access to the exchange settlement
system that used to be primarily for the banks, ensuring
that other individuals can use the word bank, making sure
that we have open banking underway, the capital adequacy review,

(01:12:42):
that the reserve banks doing their host to regulation and
these are all the things the Commission said. But do
that stuff?

Speaker 4 (01:12:48):
Isn't a more extent of it? There's no big crackdown coming?

Speaker 12 (01:12:52):
Well, this is an area where you could pretend there's
a silver bullet, but you'd be hoodwinking people. Actually, it's
poll regulatory measures done well and we have taken every
recommendation the Commerce Commission made when they looked into this
in huge detail, and we're progressing.

Speaker 4 (01:13:09):
What about all because you've talked about the ComCom but
what about the Select Committee Parliament Select Committee? Have you
responded to their findings yet?

Speaker 12 (01:13:16):
So they have reported to us and Cabinet will be
giving consideration to our response and you'll expect that response
from us very shortly.

Speaker 4 (01:13:24):
And should I expect anything big? Or is this just
kind of a better.

Speaker 12 (01:13:28):
Well, I think when you look at the when when
you look at the Select Committee's recommendations, a lot of
it is stuff that actually the government has picked up already,
and others of their suggestions were about progressing that work
with more pace or more specificity. So there was nothing
in there that shocked me. It was all good stuff.

Speaker 4 (01:13:45):
Pretty much. Okay, best thing you did in Sydney over
the weekend.

Speaker 12 (01:13:50):
Just hanging out with girlfriends that I've known since I
was seventeen. Nice and realizing that we're all a bit
older and so we don't look near necessarily is great.
But it's so much better to be in your forties
than your twenties. Wither. Yeah, we're just so much wiser.

Speaker 4 (01:14:06):
Nobody in Nobody in your group got drunken through up.

Speaker 12 (01:14:10):
A No, in fact, one of us doesn't drink at
all now, and we're all so much sort of more
relaxed and have you about that. We all wanted to
get up early to go on a long walk. It
was lovely, very awesome.

Speaker 4 (01:14:20):
Nichola, Thank you, Nichola Willis Finance Minister. Nobody in my
group of girls got drunken through up Either one of
us doesn't drink. The other two drink and I'm one
of the other two. We drink a bit, but really
not a lot. That's just growing up. And isn't that great?
Its great, isn't it. I Mean it sounds really dull,

(01:14:40):
but it's not dull when you're there. And let me
tell you six hours by the pool on Saturday. Jeez,
that blew the cobwebs out. Eh, you were back, your
cup was full, you could handle the children after that.
The sporting event that I was when when Nudge Nudge
can't tell you about I've been told about, Wait for
this to be announced. You'll love it. We remember when
Louise Eupston was on the show and we talked about
this money and I said tell me something and she

(01:15:01):
was like, oh, Rugby Lake, Rugby Lake, remember that. Just
remember that. That's what that announcement is going to be.
Quarter past six.

Speaker 1 (01:15:08):
It's the Heather Duper see Allan Drive Full Show podcast
on my Heart Radio powered by newstalg Zebbie.

Speaker 4 (01:15:15):
Heather. If you're talking about the state of origin at
Eden Park, it's now secret. Was in the Aussie papers
weeks ago. Bumma, That's exactly what I.

Speaker 14 (01:15:22):
Was talking about.

Speaker 4 (01:15:22):
Thank you, Jeremy. Yeah, here I can see it. New
Zealand will finally host a State of Origin game in
twenty twenty seven. An Australian media outlet has reported, so
that you go find out about well you could. Now
you know about it, and now you can wait for
the official announcement of that. Eighteen past six, Shane Soly
harbor Asset Managements with us. Hello Shane, he are you that? Okay?
How much can we read into those improved building permit

(01:15:43):
stats that came out today?

Speaker 16 (01:15:45):
Yes, and we saw a bit of a continued bounce
off I low based residential building concents up to seven
point two percent over the last month. It's been an expiguit,
Heather and redics. We're getting two months in a row.
The data for last month was actually revised up from
five point eight six point one, so in stronger You know,
the only sort of cadd here is that data can

(01:16:06):
be quite violatile. So while it's too stronger months, it's
really sort of a tentative evidence that there's residential investment
markets turning higher. So good, but we've got a bit
more to go.

Speaker 4 (01:16:17):
Now, what did the market make of west Pax profit?

Speaker 16 (01:16:20):
Well, it was actually a good result. It was better
than expected, but the main reason for it was they
had lower bad debt bad debt charges so particularly the
stronger Australian economy means that baddened out for debt payments.
This is when banks provision for people not paying back
their debt, and they were lower than expecting. Fact im
payments are really low. They've gone from six basis points

(01:16:41):
to four basis points. It doesn't sound like a lot,
but it's huge in banking terms.

Speaker 18 (01:16:45):
One of the interesting.

Speaker 16 (01:16:45):
Standouts here there was the Westpac Museum profit result, but
of a ripper driven by net interest margin expansion. We
actually saw with the west PACs year price up three
percent to its highest ever price in Australia to thirty
nine dollars nineteen Australia. A big day for West Back.

Speaker 4 (01:17:02):
Now we've got the new Chinese economic data out as
well today. Are there any implications there for New Zealand.

Speaker 16 (01:17:09):
Yeah, it was a bit, makes a bit more slippage
from it's still positive, but it's nothing that's going to
I don't think it's going to really cause major recis
for New Zealand economy. But we continue to see the
ratings dog data. That's what it's called seeing the Chinese
factory activity expanding less than expected, so the purchasing manager
and this is a forward looking index, it says what

(01:17:30):
people think they're going to do.

Speaker 24 (01:17:32):
Slip from.

Speaker 16 (01:17:34):
Fifty one point two in September to fifty point six,
so still positive. It's above fifty seth expansion exports, that's
the issue either that people wear about this trade uncertainty
so that doal back their export expectations, but they are
adding jobs. So that's a bit of a conundrum and
that one side squeaker on the other sides up. So
jobs has been a slow point for the Chinese economy.

(01:17:55):
Fastest growth in two years in the slatest data, so
that's a bit of a change.

Speaker 4 (01:18:00):
What are we expecting from the unemployment data that's out
on Wednesday.

Speaker 16 (01:18:03):
Yeah, really big one from the New Zeale market, the
market is expecting potential for ongoing weakness. We have seen
films not adding to the growth of like there's a
chance the New zeal unemployment rate could tick up to
a nine year high sort of above five five point
three is what the pundits are picking, which is a
very interesting number and things that it's more than five

(01:18:24):
less than five and a half, so five point three
and if we get to that then that really gives
us a bit more support for another cut by the
Rezero Bank and is on another twenty five basis points
to two point two, but the market's always introducing.

Speaker 2 (01:18:38):
That could be it for the cycle.

Speaker 16 (01:18:39):
So one last cut on the back of weaker employment data.

Speaker 4 (01:18:43):
Brilliant. Hey, thank you very much for talking us through
that show. And that's Shane Solly Harbor Asset Management. Also,
just on the green shoots that were coming through in
the improved building permit. Green shoots are being reported by
freight Ways SkyCity Port of toadung A jb HI five.
So it does look like we may have finally turned
the corner that we've been looking to turn for such
a long time. It's coming up six twenty two.

Speaker 2 (01:19:02):
Croaching the numbers and getting the results.

Speaker 1 (01:19:04):
It's Heather due for see Ellen with the Business Hour
and Mass for insurance Investments can Quie Safer.

Speaker 2 (01:19:12):
You're in good hands well the news talk said be
I am.

Speaker 4 (01:19:14):
I'm happy to say that that my theory about why
Jinda should be the UN Secretary General has actually gone
down well, Heather, as much as it would pain to
see me here to see for me to see her
more regularly. You make some very valid points. The suffering
might just be worth the ultimate reward. Heather, Where can
I send an award your opinion on the un CO
lab with Jinda's spot on? Heither Jasinda as the Secretary

(01:19:36):
General of the un as the best idea you've had
all year? Go you eger see not a crappy to
the person who no, nevermind to the person who sent
me that nasty text before? What about that that was got?
The person sent me? It's actually quite a good text.
I've got to read it to you here. The who
was it who wrote she opened her mouth and let
the wind blow her tongue about. I'm sure they must
know you. Thank you, trev absolute Champ. Hey the electric buss.

(01:19:58):
Can we just talk about the Select bus that caught
fire yesterday on Auckland's north shore. So if you haven't
seen it, it's an electric bus. I don't know how.
I don't I never really understand how drivers misjudge this.
But it went under and overpass obviously, and it hit
the overpass. It's on the Northern Bus Way. I'd quite
did they pump the tires up more than normal what

(01:20:20):
happened there? Because normally you'd think that you'd be quite
clear the bus can go under that or it can't,
and therefore you wouldn't drive it on that particular route.
But anyway, they drove it on the route, hit the top, bus,
caught fire, lots of fire coming out of the tunnel.
What did we learn from the bus crash? The electric
bus crash on Tarmiqui drive the other day. Batteries are
in the roof, battery packs are in the roof, so

(01:20:41):
maybe I don't know, maybe that's why the fire happened.
I don't know. I'm not on an electric bus specialist,
but it seems to be like there may be a
thing very cool at the moment, a like I'm not
causing any troubles on our road or anything. Six twenty six.

Speaker 2 (01:20:54):
There's no business like show business.

Speaker 4 (01:20:58):
So the Peruvian marmalade and there has done it all.
He's appeared first in nineteen fifty eight. He was created
by author Michael Bond, and then he's been in countless
kid shows and then DA had the film series and
that was hugely successful. Paddington who was one of the
best reviewed films of the decade. And now it's going
to be coming to a theater, live theater. Paddington the

(01:21:19):
Musical has just opened on the West End in London,
and to bring the famous bear to life on stage,
it actually takes two performers. So you've got James Hamid,
who voices Paddington, but then you've got Artie Sharp, who's
the physical performer. She's a puppeteer. She's got dwarfs them.
She sits physically inside the Paddington puppet and she controls
his arms and legs and blinking in his mouth movements,

(01:21:39):
and when it all gets put together, it's really cute.

Speaker 23 (01:21:42):
It's exciting to not just be in like a secluded
room but actually on the stage of the Savoy, which
I think is such like the perfect place for Puddington.

Speaker 4 (01:21:50):
Yeah, thank you Paddington for everything that you've given me
right now, because I never thought that I would be
here doing this. Ever, that's obviously the one that sits
inside him. The call was written and composed by Tom Fletcher,
who's one of the lead vocalists of McFly, and it's
now on at the Savoy Theater in London. So there
you go. Right, let's talk about Trump's rare minerals and

(01:22:10):
earth steals.

Speaker 9 (01:22:11):
Next, US talks b B A double dyn.

Speaker 1 (01:22:24):
I think where the is the macro micro for just
playing economics. It's all on the Business Hour with Heather Duplicy,
Allen and Mass for insurance investments and Hueye Safer, you're
in good heads.

Speaker 2 (01:22:36):
US talks.

Speaker 4 (01:22:53):
The Latest. It's saying I can't believe how many times
I have the latest from Andrew, but I have the
latest from Andrew. You know who I'm talking about. This
is the Andrew that was formerly known as Prince. The
latest is that he sold a tour of Buckingham Palace
to a bunch of businessmen for the equivalent of around
three point two million New Zealand dollars, which likely to
be honest, that's a lot of money. It's gone tour

(01:23:14):
of a big house, right, But the reason it would
have been so expensive is number one, you can't really
go on a tour of the private parts of Buckingham
Pallace that I imagine he took people on, so therefore
it is worth a lot of money. Also, the Queen
was there at the time and big, big no no
for multiple reasons, but mainly because you should not be
making money off being a royal, So you can see
now why in the end Charles had to strip everything

(01:23:36):
off him, because it's just like thing after thing after
thing after thing after thing. When you just think like,
surely that's all that Andrew has done. No, there's more.
And by the way, the money had to be paid
to Fergy probably goes some way to explaining how they
financed their lifestyle, which has been a little bit of
a mystery up to now. Anyway, not end of Sorry,
Gavin Gray is going to be with us out of
the UK in about ten minutes time. It's twenty four

(01:23:58):
away from seven rare earth. Minerals a bit of a
talking point at the moment across the globe because Donald
Trump is rushing deals with Japan and Australia and so on,
and these are the elements that make up our modern tech,
from evs to smartphones to military drones. And as a
result of this, Australian mining stocks are soaring some over
four hundred percent, leaving economists asking is this a boom
or a bubble now? Doctor Allen Trench is a mineral

(01:24:20):
economist and a professor at the University of Western Australia.
And with us allan halo.

Speaker 1 (01:24:25):
Hello.

Speaker 4 (01:24:26):
Do we know any of the details of these deals?

Speaker 24 (01:24:31):
Not too much. It's just a framework at this stage.
I think the hard dollars are I think a billion
US from Australia and from the US in the next
six months. That's the sort of locked in component. And
beyond that there's promises of I've heard numbers up to
eight billion US, but we'll see a time we'll tell

(01:24:51):
on that.

Speaker 4 (01:24:52):
But the point of these deals, presumably is to get
the minerals out of the ground fast. Yeah, it is.

Speaker 24 (01:24:59):
Yes, a lot of these projects have been around for decades.
I was just looking at the share price history over
twenty years of one of the Rare Earth developers, and
the last time Rare Earth peaked back in twenty eleven
they were hoping to get into production then and fifteen
years later, here we go again.

Speaker 4 (01:25:19):
And so do you think I mean the point also
is to get the stuff out of the ground quickly
in order to cut China out, I would imagine. So
does the sale of the Rare Earth minerals then have
to be exclusive to exclusive to the US.

Speaker 24 (01:25:33):
To be honest, I don't know. In the framework, I
would anticipate so from what we hear from Donald Trump,
of course, but my comment would be that there's plenty
of rare earth. I'm sure you've heard the phrase before
at rare earths are not actually that rare. So there
are lots and lots of deposits around the world, plenty
of them in Australia. My personal perspective is there's plenty
to go around.

Speaker 4 (01:25:54):
Okay, is there a chance that digging all the stuff
out of the ground in a rush could actually drop
the value of you know, could basically burst the bubble.

Speaker 24 (01:26:05):
Well, it's interesting, actually rare earth prices are actually pretty
low at the moment, and that the West, as it were,
would make the argument that China are purposely keeping the
prices low to stop these new projects from getting into production.
So quite what we're hearing is that the sort of
the Trump and other allies are willing to set things

(01:26:25):
like floor prices above the current prevailing prices out of
China to get these projects into production.

Speaker 4 (01:26:31):
Yeah, how much what have you guys got on the
ground in Australia.

Speaker 24 (01:26:35):
Lots and lots of projects, I think, and of course
with the interest in rare earth, they're almost being discovered
by the month quite frankly, so the sort of leaders.
We've got one producer, Linus Corporation, that's been producing for
around a decade or so. Now a couple of larger projects,
Arafura have just raised I think the number was seven
hundred million dollars in equity on the back of the

(01:26:56):
extra interest. The Luca Resources about a three billion dollar company,
and Linus themselves have again raised around about that seven hundred.
My apologies at Arafura was five hundred new raising. Lionus
just raised about seven hundred. So the interest in the
market is unlocking new equity into these projects.

Speaker 4 (01:27:15):
What do you reckon's the big strategic reason why Donald
Trump so interested in it?

Speaker 24 (01:27:21):
I would say it's pretty much as you said in
your introduction, really from a defense perspective. You need this
for planes, you need it for ships, you need it
for submarines, and all the guidance systems and all of
the things that all of those three types of defense
capabilities actually shoot out of themselves. So it's very much
a defense player.

Speaker 4 (01:27:41):
I would say, is it is it for defense or
is it preparing for war? Do you think.

Speaker 24 (01:27:48):
That one's above my pay grade? I'm afraid so I've
given that he's renamed the Department of Defense the Department
of War, and you know, let's hope it's just posturing.

Speaker 4 (01:27:58):
Well, let's hope so Ellen is sacinating to talk to you.
Thank you very much for that. Doctor Allen Trench, mineral
economist and a professor at the University of Western Australia.
I suppose the difference between defense and wars sometimes is
just semantics, isn't it? Nineteen away from seven to see Allen. Now,
if you were listening to the show on Friday, you'll
remember there's been a big stuff up by water Care, right.
Wastewater has overflowed from a pumping station into the Mahurangi

(01:28:21):
River and has ruined the crops of a few oyster
farmers and forced them to close their operations for a month.

Speaker 5 (01:28:25):
Now.

Speaker 4 (01:28:25):
Andrew Dickins spoke to Lynette Done from the Mahudangy Oyster
Farmers Association about this on the show on Friday, and
she said that no compensation had been offered for this particular.

Speaker 25 (01:28:35):
Incident, nothing from water Care, nothing from anyone, and all
the farmers finding it very difficult to even keep their
heads above water at the moment. So it's not an
ideal situation when we've only probably had a couple of
months or have been open next next week. We've got
some amazing ties to be able to go on with

(01:28:55):
our farms and we can't do that now, you know.

Speaker 4 (01:28:57):
Now. Water Care has just sent us a statement today
they are willing to offer some compensation to affect at
oyster farmers. They're now negotiating with Aquaculture New Zealand to
work out how best to do this. Watercare says they've
emailed defected farmers on Thursday inviting them to meet and
discuss how water Care could best support them. And Watercare
also says two investigations are now underway, one into why
the waste water overflowed and one into why Watercre's monitoring

(01:29:19):
system didn't alert them immediately when it happened. Spare thought
for those oyster farmers. They're putting up with a lot
of shit literally and figuratively from water Care. Now, this
is so ridiculous what I'm about to tell you that
I had to check out that it was actually true,
and it actually is true. England Rugby has published a

(01:29:40):
language guide telling players and presumably everybody else what they
can and cannot say when they're involved in rugby, things
like man of the match is now I know, man
of the match is now not allowed because it's gender exclusionary.
They have to say player of the match. They can't

(01:30:02):
say chairmen. They have to say chair They can't say
ladies and gentlemen. They have to say everyone. They can't
say guys and girls. They have to say folks. People
have been warned by England Rugby that repeated failures to
use inclusive language can amount to bullying all discrimination. Now

(01:30:24):
can you imagine, like all g if that's the kind
of nonsense you want to get up to in England?
Like whatever? I mean, this is why Oasis made me
nostalgic for a time when you didn't have this kind
of crap to deal with. You know, this is just
like England. Come on, guys, give with it. They seem
to be absolutely leading the charge on idiocy like this.

(01:30:45):
The trouble for us is we send a bunch of
players over there called the all Blacks who like to
say things like oils on the field with the boys. Well,
you can't say boys anymore, can you. Yeah, you can't
say all the field with the lads. You can't you
have to say on the field with the players. You'll
have to say that now, won't you, because if you
say boys or lads well bullying. Let's go to the

(01:31:07):
UK next land of absolute wow, just brain explosions. Gavin
Gray with US next sixteen away from seven.

Speaker 1 (01:31:15):
Everything from SMEs to the big corporates, The Business Hour
with Heather duperic Ellen and mass for Insurance Investments and
Kili Safer and You're in good Hands News.

Speaker 4 (01:31:26):
Talks that'd be by the way and Wellington. The waterfront
fencing is coming down. You remember this was quite controversial
because they put up all this fencing basically fencing off
the sea so that people wouldn't fall in. It was
temporary and then they're going to put the permanent stuff up.
They have now they voted against the permanent stuff and
now the temporary stuff is coming down and they're going
to start removing the fencing along the waterfront from tomorrow
and it'll all be done by Wednesday evening so people

(01:31:48):
can enjoy looking at the water over summer. It's thirteen
away from seven. Gavin Gray UK Correspondence with US Elo
Gavin Hi, that man alive. What happened on the train.

Speaker 19 (01:31:59):
Yea, this was a really grim story from the weekend.
On a Saturday at night, a train going into London
and reaching its final destination of Peterborough, and man got
on no particular alarms being rang, and then about one
hundred kilometers to the north of London, that man started
stabbing people on the train no warning at all a

(01:32:21):
large kitchen knife. Originally eleven people were injured. Thankfully only
one is still in hospital, but that man is said
to be an absolute hero who saved other passengers' lives
by trying to protect these train passengers and also the
train driver acting really really quickly, Heather, because the train

(01:32:42):
was on the fast lane as it were, of the
railway and that would have made it very very difficult
to stop where it was, which would have perhaps been
the inclination when he heard what was going on. But
actually he managed to ring control and say I need
to get on the slow track which goes by platform,
knowing there was a stop coming up, and that meant

(01:33:02):
that the police and armed police could get to them
very very quickly. A suspect, a British black man from Peterborough,
a thirty two year old, is the only suspect. He's
been arrested. At the scene. Police say they recovered a
knife and those passengers on board said it was absolutely terrifying.
We still don't know the motive, but it looks like
this was not motivated by terrorism. That's what the police believe.

(01:33:27):
The Home sectary is expected to make a statement later today.

Speaker 4 (01:33:30):
So I saw the news that's come through just in
the last twenty four hours or so that Andrew has
Head sold a private tour of Buckingham Pallace for like
three million New Zealand dollars while the Queen was in residence.
So it just seems that it's just the stuff does
not stop. Is there any indication that this is the
worst of it or is more to come?

Speaker 5 (01:33:49):
Oh?

Speaker 19 (01:33:49):
I think more will be to come, particularly from the
Jeffrey Epstein friendship that he had, and that is because
the Epstein files are continuing to turn out new facts
as they are being investigated one by one, emails and
documents coming through. So in this particular incidence that you
talk about, this was a company called Pegasus Group Holdings.

(01:34:10):
It was run as a company that did investments, but
the brand ambassador was Sarah Ferguson and In other words,
Prince Andrew's ex wife reported to have a salary of
roughly three million New Zealand dollars for this crypto mining scheme,
but it later failed and closed within the year, and

(01:34:33):
that lost investors many millions of pounds. And it is
reported that yes, it was all part of a deal
that she could be brand ambassador, but then there were
obviously allegations that other things were going on. It was
then said that Prince Andrew then Prince Andrew arranged for
a tour of Buckingham Palace. One of the people on
the tour from Pegasus Group Holdings said that they'd met

(01:34:56):
the Queen. The other one was very quick to say, no,
we didn't meet the queen, but they where meet and
greeted at Buckingham Palace and given a tour. And ultimately
obviously that the thought that Prince Andrew is selling access
to both politicians but also potentially around the palace is deeply,
deeply concerning. More and more of this stuff coming and

(01:35:16):
it looks like as well, his final royal his final
services title is being taken away from him as well.
So yeah, a bit of a week that's going to
keep being filled with Prince Andrew headlines.

Speaker 4 (01:35:30):
Do you think, Kevin, that some of the stuff is
being leaked by the Royal family to justify the decisions
that they've taken.

Speaker 19 (01:35:40):
I've heard of that theory. I don't because I think
there's actually enough out there at the moment to actually
well justify what they've done. If anything, the Royal family
standardcused did not acting faster. Prince William starts at a
major royal trip today involving trying to push about the
environment and glow warming, and it's just going to not

(01:36:02):
receive much headlines. It's going to be overshadowed by what's
going on, just as the kings praying with the Pope
for the first time in five hundred years was also overshadowed,
and I think that was one of the reasons they
have really decided to act as quickly.

Speaker 4 (01:36:14):
Hey, thank you very much. Gavin has always appreciated Gavin Gray,
UK correspondent. Heather Oh, here's an update. Do you remember
I was telling you the other day. I was telling
you on Thursday about Wellington City Council stuffing up key
one of the keys in Wellington with the roundabout. Heather update,
Wellington City Council's faux pa with the speed limit paperwork
at ltrkey has been solved with a fifty temporary roadwork

(01:36:35):
sign no roadworks in site because there are no roadworks
just a round about, isn't it roundabout that can't handle
seventy k's an hour is made for fifty k's an hour,
but the troubles the road is fifty k's an hour,
So you stick up a temporary fifty fifty yep, fifty
roadworks and there are no roadworks. Wellington City Council sort

(01:36:57):
it out. Eight away from seven.

Speaker 1 (01:37:00):
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Speaker 4 (01:37:08):
Er interesting. Interesting. So actually a lot of texts came
through when I said Oasis's music it had aged badly.
Quite a few texts came through actually agreeing with me
on this. Heather. In the nineties, I was hugely into
Oasis and Blur. Now is a fifty one year old.
I don't listen to Oasis or have any interest in
seeing them. You're right, You're right, it's just aged badly. Blur,
on the other hand, just sounds better the older the

(01:37:30):
music gets, which is because Blur died more complicated music,
didn't they And then Oasis just did music that was very,
very basic. As I said about four Chords, Heather, I
saw Oasis in the UK about two thousand and five
and came to the same conclusion as you about their music.
It's fundising along too, but pretty basic. There you go.
Having said that, Like, as I said, I reckon, I

(01:37:51):
don't drink enough now to you know you can. You
can kind of move into another dimension if you get
like just that, like that much boost, and then you'll
be like us, that's the best part of my life.
I'm too old for that now. I don't drink enough,
but I reckon, if you did that, you can still
have the best night of your life listening to Oasis.
But did I say I totally forgot to say earlier?

(01:38:12):
We're all in love with Liam Gallagher, like the wrong
guy to fall in love with one hundred percent. So
we were playing you know that game that you play
where you kill when you marry one and then you
just have an affair with one. We were like, you can,
you'd obviously marry Nol because Nol is kind of sensitive
and writes quite nice music, and he I think he could,
you know, I mean obviously has a couple of ex

(01:38:33):
wives probably disagree with it, but he could actually make
it like a half decent husband. You would have the
affair with Liam because it would be a great time,
but you'd definitely want to get out of it quickly.
You don't want to get attached to him because he's
just lunatic. And then you could just shoot any other
member of because nobody knows who they are, so nobody
would miss any of them. So there you go that answers. Oh,
if you were like, hmm, shoot Mary, you have an affair, Yeah,

(01:38:56):
I've answered it for you, haven't I answer?

Speaker 26 (01:38:57):
Well, I just feel like you're killing one of the ones,
Like you know, the two brothers who broke the band
up in the first place. The other guy's just sitting
there playing their instiments, trying to keep the band going along,
and you're like, no, sorry, we're killing one of you guys.

Speaker 3 (01:39:06):
So to get this because name them, yeah, I mean
I wouldn't not.

Speaker 26 (01:39:09):
Yeah, but we're going to stay with Britpop for a
bit though, because Pulp, fronted by Jarvis Cocker, they are
play They are coming to New Zealand. They will be
playing one show at Spark Arena in Auckland on February
the twenty.

Speaker 3 (01:39:21):
First, as part of a sort of Australia to it.

Speaker 4 (01:39:24):
So I do I want to go to Pulp? I
mean they've got to good songs, but the song you
don't have to be drunk to have the bad night.

Speaker 3 (01:39:36):
I singing this right and lyrically, very very clever sold.

Speaker 4 (01:39:40):
Very clever musicians. Hate is so strange though, isn't he?

Speaker 3 (01:39:44):
I mean, did like the Gellican Brothers Une a little.

Speaker 4 (01:39:46):
Bit strange, you know, Yeah, it's strange, but a little
bit hot like this like a bit of eye candy.
This guy's just weird, isn't it. I'm gonna have to
think about it. I am tempted. I am tempted, and
thank you just bringing me my like calendar.

Speaker 3 (01:40:00):
And it's practically Melbourne, isn't it.

Speaker 4 (01:40:03):
I mean Jarvis Cocker at the Smark Arena is the
same as going to Coasis and Melbourne.

Speaker 12 (01:40:08):
In that.

Speaker 2 (01:40:10):
Play studio.

Speaker 4 (01:40:11):
Yeah, exactly. See tomorrow and you still zid big.

Speaker 1 (01:40:30):
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