Full Show Podcast: 04 November 2025

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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Interesting the newsmakers to get the real story. It's Heather
Duplicy Ellen drive with One New Zealand to coverage like
no one else news talks.

Speaker 2 (00:11):
That be.

Speaker 3 (00:13):
Good afternoon.

Speaker 4 (00:14):
We are going to be bringing you the Melbourne Cup
race live. Also the Border Association, school Board Association angry
at Erica Stanford over the treaty reference Water Safety New Zealand,
disappointed at ACC over the funding cut and forrest and
burn on what you're supposed to do if a carrieria
starts attacking you while you're out on a walk.

Speaker 2 (00:31):
Heather Duplicy Ellen.

Speaker 4 (00:33):
Okay, I've got a question for you, and this is
a genuine question, It's not a rhetorical question. Do you
agree with the teacher unions that it's an outrage that
Erica Stanford is taking the treaty obligation out of the
Education Act or do you agree with Erica Stanford that
it needs to come out now. I'm asking you this
question because I honestly cannot understand why the teacher unions
are causing uproar over this, because it seems to me

(00:55):
to be a clear case that this should come out.
It hasn't helped lift Maldi achievement in the five years
it's been in the legislation. In fact, going by just
one metric, which is the proportion of Maori students leaving
school with no NCEEA qualification at all, it's getting worse.
It was twenty four percent in twenty twenty one, it's
now nearly twenty eight percent at last count. So if
this thing isn't helping, then it shouldn't be there because

(01:18):
all it is then is just virtue signaling and distracting
schools when schools should be, as the Minister said, laser
focused on educating kids. So this is where I ask
my question, because this is where I get confused. If
it doesn't have to be in there, then why are
teacher unions picking this fight? Why are they fighting for
yet another pet ideological project. Did they not learn from
the allergic reaction that parents had to the news that

(01:40):
the number one thing on the ppta's agenda for the
meeting with the minister was Palestine. That went down like
a cup of cold sick. Is it not obvious to
the unions that they are losing the patients of parents
who've already had a guts full of an education system
that isn't educating their kids and teacher unions making excuses
for it and teaching unions not wanting to have to
do more work. So it's one of two things that's

(02:02):
going on here for me right. Either teaching unions really
just cannot help themselves when it comes to get another
political distraction and a chance to give a national party
a bloody nose. Or they know something that I don't know,
which is that they know that there is enormous support
out there for them fighting the good fight on the
treaty obligation for the boards of trustees. So is that happening?

(02:23):
Am I missing something here? Is their massive support out
there for teachers who are fighting this or are they
burning parents goodwill because they can't help themselves yet again
fighting with a national led government yet again?

Speaker 2 (02:36):
Heather d for see Allen.

Speaker 3 (02:42):
Nine ninety.

Speaker 4 (02:43):
Who's a text number? Stand a text peece of life?
That is the text number that you use? You let
me know what you think I want to know?

Speaker 3 (02:48):
Right?

Speaker 4 (02:49):
We are less than an hour away now from the
big Melbourne Cup race at five o'clock. There's ten million
dollars up for grabs for the winner. Celebrities and punters
have been flooding into Flemington. One of them is our
Melbourne Cup correspondent Donna de Mayo. Who's with us? Now, Hey, Donna? Hello?

Speaker 5 (03:03):
Am I a celebrity or a punter?

Speaker 3 (03:04):
Oh?

Speaker 4 (03:05):
Mate? One hundred percent of celebrity. If somebody else, if
I was on to somebody else, I'd say, who did
you spot? That's say Donna, and then they tell me
what you're wearing. Sot.

Speaker 5 (03:15):
It's so nice to speak with you.

Speaker 6 (03:17):
Yes, I am at Flemington and I have been coming
to the races for I've plopped up decades, to be honest,
so it's it's pretty lovely to be back here. I
tried to find a quiet spot. As you know, tens
of thousands of people come in to be trackside for
the big event what they call the cultural institution, that
is the Melbourne Cup, which has been running since eighteen

(03:38):
sixty one.

Speaker 5 (03:39):
So we're up to it's one hundred and sixty five
one hundred and sixty fifth iteration. Now it's look, it's
a wet track.

Speaker 6 (03:45):
Now, I know nothing about racing, just quietly so I
can tell you that it's a wet track and it's
the first time since twenty nineteen that there hasn't been
a late scratching, so there's going to be twenty four
horses racing. And there's a couple of very interesting little
insights that I can give you, and that is that
Jamie Melham is a jockey that won the Corefield Cup.

(04:07):
Now she is absolutely desperate to beat her husband, who
is also a jockey and is also racing and running
in the Melbourne Cup. Would you believe his name is
Ben Malham and he's on a New Zealand horse would.

Speaker 5 (04:20):
You believe called Smoke in Romans?

Speaker 4 (04:22):
How's that? That's cool? What's the weather doing though? Because
it was it was forecast to be the wit Oh.

Speaker 6 (04:28):
Look, have never asked a Melbournie to talk about the
weather because I could just go go.

Speaker 5 (04:32):
On and on and on.

Speaker 6 (04:33):
So the weather yesterday it was absolutely teeming. It was
virtually torrential and we had many many millimeters of rain
and it was awful and the Weather Bureau said, look,
it may even rain during the race. Now, thankfully, up
until this moment that I'm speaking to you, there has
been oh my gosh, you're not gonna believe it.

Speaker 5 (04:51):
It's just started spitting as I said it. Oh, I'm
gonna have to run for cover.

Speaker 6 (04:56):
I'm actually wearing a head piece that is going to
not too in the rain that was made for me
by Melbourne milliner lovely Renee Anderson.

Speaker 5 (05:06):
So I'm gonna go. I'm literally running for cover as
I speak to you.

Speaker 4 (05:10):
There you go.

Speaker 6 (05:10):
It started spitting. You heard it first from the Melbourne Cup. Look,
hopefully it doesn't get torrential though it's Look, it's very dark.
I'm looking up to the sky. There's little patches of blue.
But unfortunately, yes, and look, I am fortunate, Heather that
I am in an area where all the fancy marquees,
the Birdcage Marquees, so I can pop into Lexus, which

(05:31):
has got let this triple story amazing space. Mind you,
that's a rooftop bar that no one will want to
be on it from now. And there's also the gh
Moom Marquee, which I tell you is fancy as and
as you know, people do like a shampas or seventeen
at the Melbourne Cup. So so I do have somewhere
to run to.

Speaker 5 (05:49):
After I stopped speaking with you.

Speaker 4 (05:51):
Okay, now, Donna, have you seen anybody famous?

Speaker 5 (05:55):
Okay, look, I'm gonna say it. It's a little bit
lighter celebs this year, and it's very interesting things.

Speaker 6 (06:01):
On Saturday, for Darby Day, we had Michelle Monahan, Who's
Michelle Monahan. She's a Hollywood star. She was in Mission
Impossible three. She was in White Lotus, which we all love.
I don't know if you do, but it was fantastic,
fantastic show. So we had Michelle monhatte Now sadly today
on Melbourne Cup Day, the biggest name that I've spotted
is Ossie Tennis staff a Fanassi Cocknarcus.

Speaker 5 (06:23):
Are you familiar with him?

Speaker 4 (06:24):
No, no idea, What are you talking about?

Speaker 3 (06:26):
There?

Speaker 5 (06:26):
You go there, point made.

Speaker 4 (06:28):
Yeah, Okay, it's a little bit lighter.

Speaker 6 (06:31):
It's a little bit light on in regard to celebs,
but I think it ramps up again for Oaks Day
and the weekend of the Saturday race day. So there's
actually four days in the Melbourne Cup carnival and so
they kind of spread spread them out a little bit
thing lately.

Speaker 4 (06:47):
How you're part of the world of the weekend. And
was briefly tempted to go to Ricky Martin on Saturday
and then my my concert club friends were like, nah,
he's lame. What was it? Like, because you were how.

Speaker 5 (06:58):
Was I come on?

Speaker 6 (07:00):
Well, actually, Ricky Martin was supposed to perform at the races,
but there was a little rumor that went around that
he wanted to sing all his songs in Spanish. Now
I don't know if that's true, but it was reported
as such, and then he didn't perform. But I'm thankful
that I went to Wisconsol because he was absolutely brilliant.
He's still got it, He's got all the moves. He
came out and it was everyone was up dancing for

(07:23):
that nineteen minutes. The only criticism is he only played
for nineteen minutes, and I don't know. Do you think
it's a little bit short for a concert?

Speaker 4 (07:29):
No, I think I think I think that's actually about
bang on. I don't think o Asis win for much
longer than that. Donna, it's good to talk to you, mate.
Go and look after your fascinator or your hat or
whatever it is. Donna Demeyer, our Melbourne Cup correspondent. Right,
texts have come in here you go, by the way.
Melbourne Cupp is live on news talk z Beat from
the start to the finish. You're going to know who's winning.
Stay with us, it's just after five o'clock here. The

(07:49):
Erica's spot on unions are just being unions. Hither I
agree with Erica. Heither, thank God for Erica Stanford since
it had last get rid of it all. Hither, I'm
a teacher. I think this Treaty of whit Tanya obligation
should come out. Hither I support Erica. Remove the treaty obligation.
Hither it's so nebulous, the poor boards of Trustees. This
is the only text that I think kind of supports
keeping it there. Heather. The treaty inclusion doesn't have to

(08:12):
be there just for Mali. It's there for everyone to
have some usually minimal exposure to the indigenous culture of
this country. Now, just okay, but you sent that text
obviously before engaging your brain. So what I want you
to do is send me a follow up text and
explain to me how having the Boards of Trustees have
a treaty obligation means that every single student, no matter
their race, has some minimal exposure to the indigenous culture

(08:37):
of this country that they would not otherwise have. You
let me know about that, because I mean, I'll tell
you what. When I was at school in the nineties.
We had the lot right, we had the kapahaka, we
had everything. We had a mudd eye on campus. We
had everything. And that's before this thing he went into
to law five years ago. Just explain that to me
if you don't mind hither. I couldn't agree more with
Erica Stanford. She's spot on. Where was Henry the eighth

(08:58):
and the PPTA when kids, including Marty had their education?
Going back year on year, Bernie bang on sixteen past four.

Speaker 1 (09:07):
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Speaker 4 (09:13):
That'd be either if I was the PPTA union, I'd
be very quiet their track record of academic achievement levels
prior to Eric Stanford or abysmal. Do you know what?
That's basically what I was trying to say. You wouldn't
pipe up? Would if you were that stink at your job?
You wouldn't pipe up, would you? If you were the
union representing that four nineteen.

Speaker 1 (09:29):
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Speaker 4 (09:34):
Garcy water Grave Sports Stalk Hoosters with me darse such.

Speaker 7 (09:37):
A good Kiwi word that isn't it stink?

Speaker 4 (09:41):
And I love that yeh, because you use it a lot.
I definitely record.

Speaker 8 (09:47):
You using it.

Speaker 7 (09:47):
Creak it with a guy who was doing law and
he was in a courtroom watching the proceedings and a
judge passed down a decision for this young fellow being
court doing something stupid. He goes, do you have anything
to say for yourself? And you mean yes, stink Joe that.

Speaker 4 (10:07):
I also think it's probably a strong marker that you
come from South or West Auckland, like yourself and myself.

Speaker 7 (10:13):
Yeah, well I'm kind of from Christian to Westalk.

Speaker 2 (10:15):
Anyway, where were we.

Speaker 4 (10:17):
Ali Katoa, I know what's happened here? Were in surgeries?

Speaker 9 (10:21):
Well what he got three knocks to the head.

Speaker 7 (10:24):
And the big thing about this is eventually yeah, well
he's been in and he's had some fluid removed from
his brain. Apparently he's okay. He's been on social media saying, look,
I can't get back to anyone. I'm sorry about that
because he's obviously recovering from having holes cut in his head.
I don't know to find the details of brain surgery,
but what happened Lehi hopp White. They're one of his

(10:45):
teammates right before the game started collided with him. Look
at the video, shoulder straight to the chin, and that
would have knocked your averaged human out.

Speaker 2 (10:53):
But he's wobbly.

Speaker 7 (10:55):
But because it didn't happen within the confines of the game,
the independent doctor couldn't go and do anything, and then
their doctors possibly didn't see it. So they're like, are
you okay?

Speaker 2 (11:06):
I'm fine?

Speaker 4 (11:07):
Well, what's up with him? That he's my personal responsible?

Speaker 7 (11:11):
You think a lot of players and rugby players, yeah,
would go, oh, it's okay, we'll just you know, throw it.
I'm playing internationally, but this is yeah, so would his
mate white. He said anything what I have? Anyone said, we
don't know. There'd be more of an investigation.

Speaker 9 (11:25):
Sure, but what happens when he get his well, then
the way.

Speaker 7 (11:28):
It knocked him down, you'd suggest he'd be HI straight
at the parking.

Speaker 4 (11:34):
Then he went in again.

Speaker 7 (11:35):
Then he got had again, and that would something rotten.

Speaker 10 (11:38):
But that was that.

Speaker 7 (11:38):
He got an HI a inspection, but he was okay.
Then he came back on again. There was a third
one when he was The first two were friendly five.
The third woman was white, and he got cleaned out again.
And he went and got an his means you can't
come back.

Speaker 3 (11:55):
So that was that.

Speaker 9 (11:56):
But he should have got the first time.

Speaker 4 (11:58):
And the struggled to feel sorry for people if they
don't have personal responsibility. We don't know.

Speaker 7 (12:02):
You've got to wack to the head of I don't
feel I'm going back in again. I mean it's a
very manly thing to do. Is hard nuck and he
can't lay it all with him because he really wanted
to play. The problem is the ruling within rugby league
that says the independent doctor has nothing to do with
it and tell the whistles blown to start the game.

(12:23):
That's the problem. If he'd have been looked at beforehand,
or an independent drop fighting round the look at that,
it might have been different. The thing is, did see
the pictures of it. He looks terrib We really feel
for the guy. I mean he's an absolute weapon of
a player too. The thing he is. Their professionals, they're
surrounded and help. He got into an ambulance and he
got out and he got search on. This happens at

(12:44):
a lower level. This happens with club rugby or club
rugby league. Go home and go to sleep with the headache,
don't wake up.

Speaker 4 (12:51):
This is why mums don't want to let their sons
play rugby.

Speaker 7 (12:55):
And we'll be talking about that with paulhu Harris and
the program.

Speaker 4 (13:00):
Darcy looking to get to this Darcy water Grave Sports
Coast to be back at seven four three.

Speaker 2 (13:04):
Cutting through the noise to get the facts.

Speaker 1 (13:07):
It's Heather Dupercy Ellen Drive with One Zealand coverage like
no one else news talks.

Speaker 4 (13:13):
They'd be They've been added again over in Australia and
it is the it's the pro Palestinian, the sm it's
them again. Of course it's them again. There's a weapons
expo going on in Darling Harbor and the Pro Palestinian
lotter are having a crack at that. And so anyway, Murriols,
there's been arrests, there's been ten arrests. Muriold's will talk

(13:34):
us through that shortly on that subject. Actually it's a
very very very tenuous link from That's what I'm about
to tell you about. But over in Geraldine, you know,
in Canterbury there's a military museum and they've just put
up an exhibition and the exhibition features a couple of
mannequins sitting around by the looks of things and some
Nazi uniforms, and it's the first it's the the Waffeness

(13:56):
first Panzer Division. And if you know your history, you'll
know that this is a particular bad division. They started
as Hitler's bodyguards and then they just morphed into basically
like a killing squad. Anyway, there is upset about this
particular exhibition because the exhibition's gone up, but there's it's
sort of there's no explanatory note, right, like, by the way, guys,

(14:17):
this is a really bad division. Now I can't really,
I have to be honest with you. I just finished
reading a book about the rise of anti Semitism in
modern times. So I have got no truck whatsoever for
people who have a problem with Jews, right, I've got
that's not okay by me. But I cannot understand what
the problem is with this particular exhibition because I don't
feel like you need an explanatory note. I mean, Nazis

(14:38):
are bad. What else do you need to know? You
don't need it? Do you need a note that says
and this one was a really bad one? Like I
feel like you already know that. Anyway, we're going to
talk to deb the Holocaust Center do not agree with
me on this, And of course you got to listen
to them. They are the ones to listen to on this.
They're gonna be with us after half past five. The
Maori Party nonsense is carrying on still water. Surprise. John

(14:59):
Thamerherdair has now on the two rogue MP's muddy, i'mna muddy,
I mean or Kappa KINGI and Taku the perris to
quit and has sort of intimated that he wouldn't mind
expelling them. Barry Sober. I don't really know if Barry
Sober has any more, you know, any attention left for this. Frankly,
this is just the thing that keeps on going, isn't it.
There's nothing, nothing's actually happened. They just keep fighting with
each other. But if he when he's here with us

(15:20):
in twenty minutes, I shall ask him about that.

Speaker 8 (15:22):
News is next, hard questions, strong opinion, Hither dup c
Ellen drive with One New Zealand and the power of
satellite mobile news Dog said, be.

Speaker 3 (15:37):
I remember when we were driving.

Speaker 2 (15:40):
Driving in your cars.

Speaker 3 (15:41):
It's a fast filler car. Seriously having bullets and your
half around.

Speaker 4 (15:48):
Right, Barry? Such as the US and ten minutes. Murray
Olds is standing by. The Melbourne Cup race is at
five o'clock. Half Fuels started as the favorite, but al
Riffer is now the best favorite. So if you've drawn
that in your sweepstake, lucky you. If you've, in fact,
if you've managed to get into your sweep steak, lucky you,
because it would appear that every single year they forgot,

(16:11):
they forget to what time do they do it? Laura,
we were all asked to take part in yesterday, she said.
So they've all asked to take part yesterday. I had
to tell you what she was saying. She was saying,
it's taken a very long time for her to remember
what happened, but they will remember the lines that they've
all agreed to tell each to tell me they did

(16:33):
it yesterday and forgot anyway, whatever, I'm not better about it.
I'm getting to keep my ten dollars and they are
obviously going to lose theirs. Twenty four away from five.

Speaker 2 (16:42):
It's the world wires on news talks. They'd be drive.

Speaker 4 (16:45):
So the US government shutdown has now been running for
thirty four days. If it isn't resolved by Thursday, it'll
be the longest shutdown in US history. Here's Republican Representative
Austin Scott.

Speaker 11 (16:56):
Republicans in the House and the Senate have vote to
four straight of continuing resolution A name name, So the
Democrats would oppose that. So again a very dangerous game
that Senate Democrats are playing and following Chuck Schumer and
his demands that they vote against, you know, funding the government.

Speaker 4 (17:11):
Ten people have been arrested after clashes between police and
protesters and Sydney police were trying to move protesters away
from that weapons expo I was telling you about. Here's
the Aussie Defense Industry Minister.

Speaker 12 (17:20):
I would make the point that we've got over one
hundred thousand Australians working in the Australian defense industry at
the moment, and every day they get up and work
to make Australia safer. People have a right to protest,
but I'm also calling for respect for OSSIE workers doing
a job that's really important for our national sovereignty.

Speaker 4 (17:38):
And finally, an EMU named Frank has been apprehended after
two days on the run in Arizona.

Speaker 8 (17:42):
Now.

Speaker 4 (17:42):
Frank escaped from a ranch and wandered the streets of
the town of Cottonwood paying a visit to Walmart, and
police were finally able to catch the EMU and return
them to his owner. But they say it wasn't easy.

Speaker 13 (17:52):
They didn't wrong about thirty miles an hour, and I
guess he had on the after burners that do. I
don't know if you're aware. EMUs cannot walk backwards. Their
webs don't work that way. So if you can chase
them into a corner as they're running ahead of you,
that's the safest and easiest way for both you and.

Speaker 1 (18:06):
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Speaker 4 (18:14):
So there's something if you ever find yourself having to
chase an email Murray Old's Australia corresponding with us alomus.

Speaker 3 (18:21):
Very handy tip here the good afternoon.

Speaker 4 (18:22):
Yeah, who knew? Hey, So you guys have to apparently
start building houses worth half a million dollars.

Speaker 3 (18:29):
This is the big call. It's pretty interesting really. It's
come from the boss of the Australia's second biggest bank,
and this is Westpac. Anthony Miller took charge last Christmas
and on Monday, you know, he was unveiling the bank's
full year results, and he made this point. He said,
listen on the average salary of around ninety thousand dollars.

(18:50):
Now in Australia, most working age people cannot get on
the property ladder banks, he said, generally will then five
to six times the income of borrower. And that means
the average earner in Australia tops out of just around
half a million, maybe six hundred thousand dollars. And that
you know, with a house price in Sydney the median
one point five million, well bloody good luck, it's not

(19:13):
much cheaper anywhere else. To be honest, Now, what Miller says,
the single biggest challenges is supply right. The key is
let's build cheaper. Now. The New South Wales government is
doing this in terms of public housing, is rolling out
what was the stat I only interviewed her yesterday. Anyway,
what they're doing is using a lot of prefab modules

(19:35):
that are assembled off site, brought in and bolted together
and the speed is dramatically enhanced. So he says, look,
we've all, we all have to play a part. You've
got to cut red tape governments, local governments, you have
to speed up the processing time. You get a streamliner
system that can create an environment where a half million
dollar house is possible. Well, bloody, good luck with that. Meantime,

(19:58):
the Reserve Bank Board has met today and there's no
rate cut. No one expected that after the inflation figures
of last week. And here's the thing. Got a hold
steady at three point six percent. And here's the thing, Heather,
The RBA is now expected to wait until at least
the second half of next year to resume cutting the caps.

Speaker 4 (20:16):
Cool, Lee, Were you guys sitting on three point six
for basically the next year or so?

Speaker 3 (20:21):
Well next to six months, that's what the market is
pricing in.

Speaker 4 (20:25):
Interesting. Okay, Now what happened to the weapons expo?

Speaker 3 (20:28):
Well, there's a couple of Israeli companies that are represented.
I mean, it's a big expo. It's one of the
biggest up we understand of the Southern hemisphere this year.
And at least one of the two Israeli companies that
is represented here hasn't Australian subsidiary. And so the protest
was organized by a group that's been around for ever
since October seven, this is the Palestine Action Group. They've

(20:50):
been protesting and said he it's about every single weekend.
And they turned out this morning and Darling Harbor, right
in the heart of the city police had set aside
an area for the protest, and they decided that wasn't
good enough and they moved off and tried to get
down to the water and Dowling Habor well, police horses
and so on. Were there. Ten people arrested, pepper spray
used and the state government making the point listen, knuckleheads,

(21:12):
this is an industry worth three point four billion dollars
to New South Wales alone. So if you think you're
going to try and stop at good luck, it's not
going to happen anytime soon.

Speaker 4 (21:22):
Okay, what have you drawn for your sweep steak?

Speaker 3 (21:24):
I wasn't in a sweep gambling. Oh, I hate gambling.
I've only ever had one bet in the Melbourne Cup
and that was when Kiwi won back in nineteen eighty three.

Speaker 4 (21:33):
And did you make money on it?

Speaker 3 (21:35):
Oh? I only put ten dollars each way on it.
And I needed because I was so inexperienced. I needed
someone up at the tav to put the bed on
for me. I was hopeless.

Speaker 4 (21:42):
All right, you have a much better reason than I do.
I just got left out of the sweep steak. That's
how much they like me. Mas. Okay, So what have
you been watching it though, even if you're not going
to bet on it?

Speaker 3 (21:56):
Oh yeah, I just like watching all the young men
and women, you know, try and hop on the bus
on the way home after the big day out. There's
I heard you mentioned El Riffer. L Riffer will start
in barrier nineteen. He's the top weight with fifty nine kilos.
He is the favorite. One partner has put half a
million dollars on El Riffer to win three and a

(22:18):
half million dollars, so he is. He will start favorite.
You've got the core Field Cup winner half yours. If
you've got that horse, you've got a good chance. And
you've then got a presage nocturn. I think he's a
gray one. He looks lovely belly and king and bukaroo
on the very end of the other end Land legend
changing of the guard and something called Athabascan Athabascan and

(22:40):
with no idea how to say that they're paying up
at sixty bucks for the win. The track is going
to be soft because they've been rained down there and
they're jumping in about twenty minutes.

Speaker 4 (22:50):
Oh good stuff. Yeah you really sure you know what
you're talking about there, muz, thanks very much. Murray Olds,
Australia correspondent, eighteen away from five.

Speaker 2 (22:59):
Due for sel.

Speaker 4 (23:00):
That's why the Australian Coat of Arms has an EMU
on it because they can only go forward as in
advance Australia. Scott, you literally made that up.

Speaker 3 (23:06):
But I like it.

Speaker 4 (23:08):
I don't lie. I don't mind a lie. I don't
mind a good lie like that. That's kind of funny. Now,
not good news for Water Safety New Zealand. ACC is
cutting its funding now. ACC puts an annually about a
million bucks or thereabouts into Water Safety New Zealand. What
because ACC, like every other government department at the moment,
is having to go through the books and see if
the money that the spending is actually making a difference.

(23:30):
And they said when they came to Water Safety New Zealand,
they can see no discernible reduction in drownings. So as
a result, the money's gone. Now, I mean, on principle,
I'm quite I'm into this cut the spending if the
spending is not actually achieving anything. But let's hear from
these guys at Water Safety New Zealand are going to
be with us after five o'clock. I spoke on the show.

(23:51):
I've just got to give you this really quick update.
I spoke on the show. Maybe it was it a
week ago, maybe a little bit more about wanting to
do with GOV. So here's the thing. I didn't this,
You've got to be fat. So I went into it
because this is what Laura said to me. She was
the German. The German has a name, It's Laura. Laura
said to me, no, mate, you can't. You BMI is
not high enough. So I went into the calculation on
my BMI and sure enough, I might be fat, but

(24:13):
I am not fat enough. I am not fat enough
for we GOV never mind. So that was that made
me spring of my step about that, and I at
least I'm not bad anyway. However, we have decided we
still need a shred for summer, so we have got
callow carb callow cub, callow cab. I don't even know
how to pronounce the stuff the beat. The Germans said,

(24:35):
I've got a bit of the stuff lying around the house.
That sounds like it's the worst medical thing ever. She
was like, I got some callow carb hang callow caub.
She thinks it's callum curb. I don't know anyway what
it is. It's a Kiwi product that is doing incredibly
well overseas because it basically mimics. It does the same

(24:56):
thing that we go V does. I'm doing a terrible
sales pitch for these guys anyway. So she has some
lying around the house, so she's brought it in today.
So this is what we're going to do. I'm going
to go home. I'm going to weigh myself tomorrow. I'm
going to start doing that. The natural will go vy
and then let's see if by summer I can look
like I didn't have two children and just be wrapped
in hot Yeah.

Speaker 14 (25:16):
I know it does not come to medical advice.

Speaker 4 (25:18):
Not medical advice. You probably don't care, but now you
know my life story.

Speaker 1 (25:21):
Quard to to the politics with centric credit, check your
customers and get payment certainy.

Speaker 4 (25:26):
Yeah, some funny little things about labour CGT you might
want to hear. I'll tell you about that before five.
It's thirteen away from five. Barry so Per, Senior political
Correspondence with US haller Berry.

Speaker 9 (25:34):
Good afternoon, Hither I got the inside tip for the
Melbourne Drew I Drew changing of the guard. Is there
you go paying over one hundred dollars a TP.

Speaker 4 (25:44):
Listen, you're going to be really rich if that comes in.

Speaker 9 (25:46):
Well, at least I got into the sweep.

Speaker 4 (25:48):
Hey, so is the Maori Party finally feeding the white
feeding frenzy?

Speaker 9 (25:51):
Well, yes they are, which I've finally.

Speaker 15 (25:54):
Talking to the PARKI how media fascinating wife to you,
who of course has been over the seas recently in
China with a Kappa Harker group. He arrived at Parliament
this morning alongside his father in law, John Tamaherry, who
happens to be the president of the party, and his
own wife, Kurrie Tamaherry Hitt, who's Tamahiri's daughter who works

(26:20):
for Whitet or the party at Parliament. So they were
standing nearby Whitet when he talked to the media talk
to the media in English, which was great because he's
refused to up until now. It's hardly surprising though that
Whitt supports the position being taken by his father in law,
considering his standing just almost beside him. He wants Kuppa,

(26:42):
Kingy and Pharis expelled from the party.

Speaker 10 (26:44):
I support all the sentiments laid out by John Tomeri
in this post. We've been able to build this party
from no MPs and within one term to six MPs,
so we know what it takes, we know what the
work requires in order to build a movement, and we
will always be committed to ensuring that the our people
have voice in this House. And the thing is their
MPs you cannot you can't even invoke if you're if
that's the question you're asking you about the jumpy thing,

(27:06):
because they are MPs of those particular and electates. Their
electrics will decide whether they stay in the House or
not come twenty twenty.

Speaker 9 (27:12):
Six, so they'll be around for a while, but they
could be around as independent MPs if they're kicked out
of the party. Interestingly, a spokesperson for the National EWI
Chairs Forum that will be considering the issue, the spokesperson,
Braiden Barber, has been quoted as saying Tama Harry's social
media post yesterday, which was where he said they were greedy,

(27:35):
was their main one of the main faults. She said
his comments were unhelpful. Now there's been, of course, a
petition out to get rid of Tama Harry.

Speaker 3 (27:44):
So this is a mess.

Speaker 4 (27:47):
So Baden Barber and the EWIE Council co chairs, the
EWE Chairs Forum is actually meeting their meeting right now,
aren't they. Im yeah, I think the meeting right now. Anyway,
we're talking to Baden after half past six. What's going
on with the rough sleepers?

Speaker 2 (28:02):
Well?

Speaker 9 (28:02):
I found the line of questioning by Chris Hipkins in
the House today quite interesting. It was out of the
box in Parliament this afternoon. Literally, that's what it would
mean for the rough sleepers in our city's CBDs if
it was true. That is, it came out of questions
fired by Labour's Chris Hipkins to the man whose job

(28:24):
he wants, the Prime Minister, Chris Luxen, You judge, have
a listen.

Speaker 16 (28:28):
Is the government considering a law change to ban homeless
people from central business districts?

Speaker 17 (28:33):
Are there being no cabinet decisions or discussion on that topic?

Speaker 3 (28:38):
Supplementary question.

Speaker 16 (28:40):
If booting people out of emergency accommodation has fixed the
homelessness problem, why is the government now considering changing the
law to ban homeless people? This government has delivered housing
affordability for people who want to purchase a house or
to rent a house.

Speaker 9 (28:55):
Yeah, well, it's interesting. I've talked around the traps today.
Apparently Tama Poltaka, he's been talking to community housing providers
suggesting that a law is on the way. The providers
are meeting on Friday now they're probably considering what they've
been told. Who knows, but apparently banning homeless people from

(29:19):
the CBD will begin in Auckland and Samon Brown, the
Minister for Auckland, has been talking with Wayne Brown about it.
Now that's as far as I know. I haven't been
able to get it confirmed, but certainly there's been talk
about it.

Speaker 4 (29:33):
How would it work practically? Would you? Would you designate
what you considered.

Speaker 9 (29:37):
The CD So where do they go? Do they go
then to the suburbs? Well, the Nimbies I think would
be a bit upset about that.

Speaker 4 (29:46):
Well, I mean, are you suggesting this is a bad idea?

Speaker 9 (29:49):
Well, you know, I mean it's a bad idea having
anybody sleeping rough and what do you do about it? Well,
I suppose you can have emergency housing.

Speaker 2 (29:56):
We saw all of that.

Speaker 9 (29:58):
That wasn't a great secces by the Labor government.

Speaker 2 (30:02):
But what do you do with them?

Speaker 4 (30:05):
Okay, it's a question. Really, you know, very so seeing
your political correspondent, thanks for that. Eight Away from.

Speaker 1 (30:10):
Five the headlines and the hard questions, it's the Mic
Hosking Breakfast.

Speaker 18 (30:16):
Are we in summer? Are there shoots all around us?
Is the light at the end of the tume? Or
have we arrived on the promised land?

Speaker 19 (30:22):
So Shidney, the trend is very, very favorable, Mike. I
think the fact that consumer confidence is raising. It's evidenced
by the fact that consumers are confident now to go
out and borrow money to buy goods. So we've seen
a growing trend as far as it's concerned. And also
the fact that consumer areas are falling in a layer.
I think of the signed that households continue to manage
their budgets through very respectively.

Speaker 18 (30:41):
Some people text me every time these numbers come out
and go credit demand is not good. That's a sign
that people aren't coping and they need more money. Is
that true or not?

Speaker 19 (30:48):
No, I don't think it is.

Speaker 18 (30:49):
Back tomorrow at six am the Mic Hosking Breakfast with
a Vida News Talk zb.

Speaker 4 (30:55):
Ah, jeez, I'll tell you it was no sympathy for
the homeless people here. Good We don't want the homeless
criminals in our CBD. Here, the banning homeless people from
the CBD is a great idea. Hither the term homeless
is used inappropriately. They're actually mentally challenged or drug users.
They should be moved on out of the CBD. Hither
I work in the homeless space. You cannot house people
who don't want to be housed for whatever reason. We'll
have a chat to the huddle about that. Now that

(31:16):
we know that, now the Bearer has given us the details.
Now another funny little thing about Labour's capital gains tax. Right,
the Herald's done and explain it today, pointing out there
are actually a number of ways that you could end
up paying CGT capital gains tax on your family home.
Remember the family home. I'm supposed to be excluded, but
you could still get pinged. So the problem is the
fifty percent rule. There's two ways the fifty percent rule

(31:39):
were basically applies as pointed out by the Herald. The
first is if this is your family home, if it's
your main residence, you must be using fifty percent at
least of the property.

Speaker 3 (31:50):
Right.

Speaker 4 (31:51):
So in some cases people don't. So for example, I've
got a friend home lives in a really big house
in Epsom, and they divided the house into basically three right,
so they were living in the upstairs of the house,
they rented out the downstairs and then the granny flat
got rented out as well, so basically they were only
living in a third of the house. They'd have to
pay capital gains tax because it's basically not their family home.

(32:11):
Then there's also the other fifty percent rule, which is
that you have to have lived in your house fifty
percent of the time since you bought it. So for example,
if you bought in christ Church and then you took
a job in Auckland, bought your house in christ Church,
moved up to Auckland, maybe lived there for ten years,
moved back to christ Church, lived in your house, you
have to have lived in that house for the majority
of the time otherwise you get pinged by it as well.

(32:31):
So yeah, Labour's capital gains tax sounding cooler by the day. Okay,
we have got up next the Melbourne Cup, the Wig Race,
so stand by for that. Get out your little sweep
steak ticket, good luck to you. And then after that,
let's have a chat to the school Board Association who
are pretty cross at Erica Stanford over the treaty reference
being removed. News Talk ZBI.

Speaker 1 (33:18):
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get the answers, find and give the analysis. Hither duplicy
Ellen Drive with one New Zealand and the power of
satellite mobile.

Speaker 4 (33:32):
News Talk said, be good afternoon. Education unions are reacting
badly to Erica Stanford's decision to remove treaty obligations from
school board legislation. The Education Minister's boards should be more
focused on making sure kids turn up to school rather
than carrying out the Crown's treaty responsibilities with us. Now,
as the school Board Association president Meredith Kennett hime, Meredith,

(33:54):
what's your take on this?

Speaker 3 (33:57):
Yeah?

Speaker 20 (33:57):
Pretty much exactly, well exactly what the unions have seen
this afternoon is that, you know, I think even if
we focus on the responsibility of getting our children to
school and attendance and achievement, a part of that is
understanding the whole child, and that is also understanding our
responsibility to TITI.

Speaker 4 (34:14):
Okay, how does it give me an example of how
this being in legislation actually changes what a school board does.

Speaker 20 (34:21):
I think it just allows the school board to focus
on making sure that they are covering the things that
they need to cover. Because for a school board, you
have a bunch of caring people who come together and
are elected to do a job, and they need to
be given quite explicit instructions of what things they need
to fulfill and whether on that list then it stays

(34:42):
front and send different school boards.

Speaker 4 (34:44):
Yeah, but like what what would they do? What would
they understand?

Speaker 20 (34:49):
Yeah, to make sure that things like our policies and
our procedures really consider the history of our children, really
consider where farno are coming from, allow us to connect
with local EWE and making sure that the school is
fit for purpose for our children. Because our children need
to belong and if they don't feel like they do,

(35:09):
then they won't achieve.

Speaker 4 (35:10):
What's the benefit of a school board connecting with local EWI.

Speaker 20 (35:15):
To allow them to make sure that the local farno
of children are connected to the history of the local area,
to understand, you know, where things come from in the
place that they are learning and just to feel that sense.
So way back in time, there was always a saying
of people having to leave their culture at the door

(35:36):
and making sure that we give effect to testiit eating
means that our young people are not having.

Speaker 21 (35:40):
To do that.

Speaker 4 (35:41):
And so how is a school board going to make
sure that there is this connection to the history of
the place by meeting with the EWI how are they
going to practically do that?

Speaker 20 (35:51):
Well, for many schools, that involves inviting their ee in
when they're looking at things like their strategic direction and
their plan, so whatever goals that they're having to make
sure that both the community and the local are in
it all alliance.

Speaker 4 (36:04):
Meredith. So that's a part of it. Shouldn't the goal
just be educated as many of these children as possible,
make sure they're turning up to school every single day. Yeah,
and of a part of that is so the end, Yeah,
it's forgive than that is it though? Yeah?

Speaker 20 (36:19):
I think most school boards think it is and along
with all the unions.

Speaker 4 (36:22):
All right, Meredith, thanks very much, Meredith Nnett, school Board
Association President, two half past five.

Speaker 2 (36:27):
Heather Duper see Alan right.

Speaker 4 (36:29):
Well Water Safety New Zealand has had its funding pulled
by acc acc is cutting more than a million dollars,
saying it can't see any measurable reduction in drowning related
injury injury claims Gavin Walker is the acting CEO for
Water Safety New Zealand. Hey Gavin, Hi, there is it fair?
So ACC's argument is basically they can't see that it's
helping it all, so they're pulling the funding. Is that fair?

Speaker 22 (36:51):
Well, it depends what you look at.

Speaker 23 (36:53):
So ACC's got a really interesting challenge on its hands.
The schemes under pressure, and from their point of view,
a lot of what's driving cost in the water space
costs for their scheme is a whole lot of things
like twisted knees, sprains while out on water craft, and
concussion and injuries. Look, that stuff's really important, but it's

(37:15):
not what we're focused on. We're focused on helping New
Zealanders be safe in the water and reducing loss of life,
reducing drowning, and we think that that needs to continue
to be part of the picture here. We understand ACC's challenge,
but actually the work that we've done over the last

(37:38):
twenty five over the last twenty years together has made
a measurable difference to reduce the drowning risk for New Zealand,
and we're worried that all of that is put at
risk without some continuation of funding.

Speaker 4 (37:52):
Are you able to replace this funding. I mean, it's
a lot of money, isn't it. It's about it's about
one fifth of what you get.

Speaker 14 (37:58):
Oh.

Speaker 3 (38:00):
Absolutely.

Speaker 23 (38:01):
HiT's a big part of our funding for both our
organization and the network of community partners that we have.
There's we're working really hard too with ministers and others
in New Zealand to see if we can find alternative
ways to replace this funding. But there's no hiding from

(38:21):
the fact that stuff really hurts.

Speaker 4 (38:23):
Right, Kevin, I really appreciate your time, mate Thiskevin Walker,
Water Safety New Zealand Acting Chief Executive Heather duper c
Ellen Ah, yeah, well, h yeah.

Speaker 2 (38:32):
So the.

Speaker 4 (38:34):
The texts on the treaty, Heather, what that's just all
it asks and that I meant to be honest? Tell
me that that's not how you're feeling right now? What Heather?
That woman is surely taking the piss Heather. OMG, that
is a load of crap, Heather, How the hell is
all this relevant for a school board? Spare us from

(38:54):
people like this? That is probably why it had to
come out of the legislation, all right. Anyway, like I say,
it's all coming in so I might have to read
you a few more of those. We're going to deal
with the dive bombing falcons next fourteen past five. Hey,
just a little bit of information on half fuels which
is just won the twenty twenty five Melbourne Cup. The
person the jockey is Jamie Mellam, who is a woman,

(39:18):
second female jockey in history to win the race and
is the woman. Remember we were telling you earlier on
there's a husband and wife who are jockeys. That's the
wife of the husband and wife. Seventeen past five. Now
we've got a little bit of a bird problem in
Wellington Carrieria are dive bombing walkers on the Haywood track
that runs between the Hut and Portada. Alimed is from
Forest and burden with us.

Speaker 24 (39:39):
Hey, Ali, good afternoon.

Speaker 25 (39:41):
How's going.

Speaker 4 (39:42):
I'm well, thank you. Are they doing this because they're nesting.

Speaker 24 (39:46):
They are they'll be busy at this time of year
with either eggs or with checks, and so they're just
warning people to stay away from them because they're very
busy right now.

Speaker 4 (39:54):
If you're walking on the track and the dive bombing you,
is it dangerous?

Speaker 24 (39:59):
It's not ideal and they will try and avoid you,
but they could come into contact you. So it's much
better to not walk down that truck, not walk down
that track. And if you do see them, walk away,
move away out of the.

Speaker 26 (40:10):
Area and just leave them alone.

Speaker 4 (40:12):
What can you do if they start dive bombing you?
What's the like? What's the proven way to protect yourself?

Speaker 24 (40:18):
Just leave the area just as quickly and without falling
over and without injuring yourself. But get out of the area,
trying to stay calm and just move away from it.

Speaker 4 (40:28):
Ellie, geez, you're making the sound really intense.

Speaker 2 (40:30):
What are they going to do to you?

Speaker 24 (40:31):
No, it's not intense, but they might touch the back
of their head, they might scour the back of your
head a little bit. They just don't want you there,
and you could hurt them if they come into contact you,
as with you as well. So it's much better to
just avoid the situation.

Speaker 4 (40:47):
Let's say, Ellie, let's say that you are hell beans
or you have to walk this track for some reason.
You just have to do it, and you have to
take your chances with the birds. What do you do
to protect yourself?

Speaker 24 (40:58):
You go through that as quickly as that's all you mean, no,
because you don't want to come into contact with them
because if you hit them with a stick, you're going
to really hurt them. So it's much better to just
avoid them.

Speaker 4 (41:13):
If you had to pick teen bird or team human.
You're on team bird here, though, aren't you.

Speaker 24 (41:19):
I'm on team bird here. These are the bird of
the year. These are an amazing, amazing animals. They're really
in danger, but they're a bit at this time of
year when they've got babies, and I think that that's okay.
We all want to protect our babies. We've got young
we want to look after them. This is the only
thing they can do to protect those babies are real
risk from everything that's coming to eat them. We don't

(41:40):
really need to go down that track. Just give them
a bit of space, all right.

Speaker 4 (41:43):
Ellie, thanks very much to appreciate it. That's Ellie Meed,
Forest and Bird Group Manager for Conservation Project Delivery. It's
a little bit like an Alfred Hitchcock film card. By
the way, if you don't know what the cardi area is,
it's the falcon So it's not like you're being You're
not being dive bombed by I don't know the fantail here.
You know this one's got claws and stuff. So you
probably do want to be a little bit careful Heather,

(42:04):
as a next school board member, where forty nine percent
of our students are Asian, how does connecting with the
local e we bring them closer to their far No
school boards can still choose to support treaty outcomes if
they wish.

Speaker 3 (42:14):
Did you know what?

Speaker 4 (42:15):
Look, I'll be honest with you. I wish that I'd asked, oh, my,
one more question. This is Meredith. Obviously, I wish I'd
asked her one more question because her whole line of
argument was basically, if you get the EE in and
you learn, you learn about your local area, then the
kids with the Marti kids will feel like that connecting
and then they'll come to school a lot more often, which,
come on, you and I live in the real world.
That's just bs right. Kids don't come to school for

(42:36):
that reason. They come to school because they're forced to
go to school, or they enjoy it. It's basically one
of the two. Anyway, what I would have liked to
have ASTRS had I not been distracted by the Melbourne
Cup which had just happened, is this has only been
in for five years in legislation. If her theory was
correct that getting the EE in and learning the history
and feeling a connection to your school and stuff like that.
If that was really going to work, then in the

(42:57):
last five years we should have seen an uptack and
Marti achievement, right, Marti school student achievement. We haven't. We've
seen the opposite. There was a peak in about twenty
nineteen of school achievement for Mardi students, and since then
it's been going backwards despite this piece of legislation. If
only I had my time again. But you know, there
was a big race and I got distracted. It was
like I had Champagne in my head. Five twenty one.

Speaker 1 (43:20):
Digging deeper into the day's headlines, it's Heather duper Clan
drive with one New Zealand coverage like no one else
news talks.

Speaker 4 (43:28):
They'd be Heather, why didn't she just say falcon mate,
she's from Forest and byrd that. I don't know if
you really that part of the subset of news. There's
like a subset of New Zealand that will avoid every
English word that can be replaced with a Marti words,
you know what I mean, And forest and bird is
part of that outfit. Five twenty four listen, Can I
suggest that we maybe just chill out a little bit
about this letter that the Chinese ambassador has sent to

(43:49):
a bunch of our MPs. There is a fair bit
of consternation about this in the last twenty four hours
or so since it broke, because he personally wrote to
a group of MPs who were at an event celebrating
the National Day of Time, and people are upset that
he's done this, and the outrage covers everything from foreign
interference by the ambassador all the way through to surveillance
by the ambassador, because someone must have been at the

(44:11):
event and spotted the MPs who were there and surveiled them.
And look, be honest, there's pretty bloody cheeky, isn't it,
writing like the guy who's here on our in our invitation.
You know, we're hosting the Chinese ambassady here is writing
to us telling us off. That's pretty bloody cheeky. But
as far as political interference goes, this is really not
It's not worth getting stressed out about. This is at

(44:32):
the low end of things. The guy wrote a letter.
He left a paper trail, right. Paper trails like this
are designed to be left so that they can be revealed.
And think about it. The Chinese are not going to
be upset that this one's been revealed, are they. It
lets them save face. They told our MPs off. They
didn't stand for this disgrace on our behalf. Now, we
have had far worse foreign interference in this country. I mean,

(44:53):
bill such spying for Russia, for example, is far worse.
Alleged China spies perhaps in our parliament. That's far worse.
Foreign outfits trying to build bases to track satellites from
New Zealand is far worse. Frankly, name is significant power
in the world that doesn't try to put their thumb
on New Zealand. I mean, the EU doesn't via our FDA.

(45:14):
It's pretty explicit it tries to control our emissions. The
US does it by directing us that we buy more
military equipment and frankly probably tells us what kind of
military equipment we need to buy as well. And China
does it by telling off our MPs for going to
a party. The fact that they've done this, I don't
think is the weird thing. I actually think what's weird
here is that basically none of the MPs who got

(45:35):
the less I want to talk about it. The Chinese
are actually being much more open about this than our
own MPs.

Speaker 2 (45:40):
Ever, dup right, this is not good.

Speaker 4 (45:42):
Okay. The BBC has been busted in a big way
doctoring a Donald Trump's speech. Now this goes all the
way back to the Capitol Hill riot. This is what
the Panorama program played as basically suggested. Donald Trump had said.

Speaker 2 (45:55):
We're gonna walk down to the capital and I'll be
there with you and we fight. We fight like hell.

Speaker 4 (46:04):
This is what he actually said.

Speaker 2 (46:05):
We're going to walk down to the capital.

Speaker 1 (46:10):
And we're going to cheer on our brave senators and
congressmen and women.

Speaker 4 (46:17):
Hmmm. It's a bit different, isn't it Just a little
bit different now. The reason that this has come up
all these years later is because the BBC has been
accused of so much bias that they got together a
group of like whatever, like an Audit was basically done,
and there's a nineteen page internal memo that's now been
produced basically listing a whole bunch of BBC bias problems.
It's doing the rounds and the UK's and a whole

(46:38):
bunch of UK government departments and now it's leaked, so
not a good look for them. End Brady is going
to be with us at about quarters to seven. We'll
talk to him about this. Next up though, let's talk
about this exhibition at the Holocaust the Nazi exhibition at
the Military Museum in Canterbury. News Talks AB.

Speaker 2 (47:01):
The day's newspakers talked to Heather first.

Speaker 1 (47:03):
Heather Duplicy Ellen Drive with One New Zealand and the
power of satellite Mobile.

Speaker 2 (47:09):
News Dog said, b.

Speaker 3 (47:13):
Where you're going on?

Speaker 4 (47:16):
I think these guy said he didn't believe this day
was ever going to come. They have got the keys
to the convention center. We're going to talk to them
after six o'clock. Got the huddle standing by Philo Riley
and Gareth Heughson. Right now it is twenty five away
from six.

Speaker 3 (47:28):
Now.

Speaker 4 (47:28):
There is upset at a Nazi display at a museum
in Canterbury. The display is at the Military Museum in
Geraldine and it features uniforms and equipment from the first
SS Panzer Division in World War Two. Deb Heart is
chair of the Holocaust Center. Hi, deb Hi, what is
your concern here? What's your problem with this?

Speaker 27 (47:47):
Well, our concern is basically one of context. What we
understand is that the Geraldine Military Museum has a display.

Speaker 21 (47:57):
Of a.

Speaker 27 (48:00):
A Nazi unit that was not just any old military unit.
It was the armed embodiment of Nazi ideology. It was
the elite, an original unit of the waft in SS,
the personal bodyguard of Adolf Hitler. It evolved into one
of Nazi Germany's most infamous and brutal fighting formation, formations

(48:21):
implicated in mass murders, the Holocaust, massacres of POW's and
the like. And the museum seems to have put this
display up with very little context. Whatsoever do we need context?

Speaker 4 (48:41):
I mean, the vast, vast, vast majority of us know
Nazis are bad. What other context do you need?

Speaker 27 (48:50):
I wish that were so, but many of us don't
know that at allations Lots of people, and particularly in
younger generations, don't know this history. And all museums, no
matter whether they're a little museum in Geraldine or they're

(49:10):
a big national museum, have a responsibility to tell the
stories and give the context, and it really isn't all
that difficult to do so. And this this display actually
offers for people to join a reenactment of the Waffansis

(49:34):
you know, it's it's hard to believe what those reenactments
would be.

Speaker 28 (49:39):
I mean, would they be well, you know, would they
be mass executions or burning homes or maybe the Wormholt
massacre where this very division executed eighty unarmed British and
French POWs.

Speaker 27 (49:57):
You know, maybe it's you know, really, you do have
an obligation to help people understand what it is that
they are looking at. Otherwise you risk glorifying something that
you know was really terrible in our history.

Speaker 4 (50:18):
Dep Have you read Douglas Murray's latest book on democracies
and death cults?

Speaker 27 (50:23):
I've read parts of it. It's on my reading list.

Speaker 4 (50:26):
I highly recommend this Christmas New Year's break talking about
ruining your some of though, I'll tell you what I
read it right, and and the premise in the book,
he tries to understand why because he's looking at Hamas
and he's trying to understand why it is that we're
seeing this rising anti Semitism in modern times and why
people are so openly hating on Jews all over again.

(50:47):
I don't think actually, at the end of it, I
don't think he adequately explains it. I'm interested, do you
do you have an explanation for why this is happening.

Speaker 27 (50:55):
Well, anti Semitism is the longest hatred and it morphs
into different forms over time, and what we are seeing
at the moment is is you know, really morphing yet again.
And so we are seeing a startling rise and anti Semitism.

(51:20):
And if I can pervot back to this display, it
really is pretty unhelpful because you know, we don't learn
anything from history by distorting it.

Speaker 4 (51:34):
Very good point, dev thanks very much, appreciate a deb
heart Holocaust centered chair. The reason I was asking deb
about that is because I just worry a little bit
that we are normalizing Nazism again and it's just becoming
okay to hate Jews. And that's what I just worry.
I just worry ever so slightly. This might be I'm
not saying necessarily, I just worry a little bit. Twenty
away from.

Speaker 1 (51:55):
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Speaker 4 (52:02):
Huddle with me this evening. We have Gareth Hughes, director
of the Well Being Economy Alliance ALTIRO and former Green
MP and Fullo Riley Iron Duke partners Hire. You too, Gareth,
Well fil to answer your question, I'm very well, Thank you, Gareth.
How do you feel about that display?

Speaker 22 (52:17):
Well, the only Nazi flag I want to see in
a museum is one captured by New Zealand troops as
part of our mission to stamp out Nazism. Look, I
love history. I'm a peace neck, but I also loved
visiting military museums, and I'm around the world, and a
couple of years ago I accellently visited the Military Museum
by Jasper Cuney Shrine and Tokyo, and I was walking

(52:39):
around and had this really odd feeling that something was
off there because in this museum you kind of felt
out that Japan was the total victim and it was
innocent in World War Two. And I think walking around
this museum in Geraldine you might get the same vibes.
I don't know why people want to dress up like
the bad guys, the waffen Ss, and we shouldn't be
glorifying the stuff. Surell show it that provide the text.

Speaker 25 (53:01):
Yeah, I agree with that. I've been in many museums
around the world where a German military equipment or uniforms
are displayed and that generally not the WAFT and it
says to be fair, but you know, it's explained that
this is what they were trying to do and here's
what was going on. And so I think if you're
going to do it on a place by Jordining, you
definitely don't want the Nazi flags and god knows what
which you would well that sort of symbolism. If you

(53:23):
are going to do it, have a uniform there or
something and explain the evil characters that these guys were.
But they shouldn't be doing anyway, mate. They should, they should.
This is Jordy. They should stop doing that and move on.
And I just think it's pretty tasteless stuff.

Speaker 4 (53:37):
All right now, Gareth, how do you feel about Eric
Destans for taking the treaty obligations out of the education legislation.

Speaker 22 (53:43):
Well, I'm really surprised because I thought the government was
laser focused on costs of living, but it seems to
be they're focusing on things like this, and you know,
it's strange in the middle of a massive curriculum review
that lots of teachers and parents are complaining about the
process and the terrible proposals. Don't know why she's picking
another fight, and she's got the school Board Association, Principals Federation,

(54:05):
Teachers Union, Educational Institute all coming out immediately saying they're
pretty shocked.

Speaker 4 (54:09):
And you and I live on two different planets. Do
you think do you think most parents support the unions
over Erica Stanford?

Speaker 22 (54:16):
Well, no, it's not just the unions, it's a school
board association. There's are parents, you know, volunteering their time
for their side.

Speaker 4 (54:23):
Which side of the ug No, No, I'm not. I'm
not trying to be smart to you, Gareth. Which side
do you reckonparents are on? Genuinely?

Speaker 22 (54:34):
Well, I think there's probably, if I'm honest, a bit
of a generational shift and what I'm seeing, And you know,
I was part of that largest protest in our country's
history where what one hundred thousand people came out in
the streets to support titvs reflecting a much much wider population. Look,
a lot of people want to see the treaty as
you play a bigger role in our society. They see

(54:56):
what's tappening as a sign of division and spoking and
spoking that division and society. So that I'm happy with
the treaty as a parent, and I know there are
heaps like me.

Speaker 25 (55:05):
Otherwise, Oh, Herrick Stanfa's done exactly the right thing here.
The reality is the Crown, the Government of New Zealand
is is department to the Treaty of Whiting, as the
Minister says, and this endless sprinkling of treaty obligations throughout
our country so that everybody seems to have to live
with it, you know, is required to comply with the treaty.

(55:26):
It is not only you know, just illogical given the
fact that the Crown's the partner here, but it also
puts them in an impossible position. As you know, the
Treaty of white is the subject of heated debate and
changed by the courts and changes and interpretation. How volunteer
school boards supposed to comply with all of that, it's

(55:47):
an impossibility. What I think they're focusing on properly, and
what the Minister is asking to focus on properly is
please make sure that everything you do tries to reduce
the inequity between the chief of Maris students and the
achievement of other students. And that's entirely appropriate. Exactly what
skill Board should be doing. And I think that is

(56:07):
in fact in compliance with the crowns obligation yard to
the Treaty of Whiting.

Speaker 4 (56:11):
All right, okay, guys, we're going to take a break.
I want to know what you think about this rough
sleeper news that's dropped today. Sixteen away from six.

Speaker 1 (56:17):
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Speaker 4 (56:22):
Write you back with the Huddle. Fellow Riley, Gareth Hughes
now Phil Labors drop the fact that they believe that
the government is going to introduce a ban on rough
sleepers and cities. How do you feel about this?

Speaker 25 (56:32):
I support the ban, but what are you going to
do with them? So the rough sleepers would become a
real issue, not just in New Zealand but also in
many cities around the world. And there's no question they
contribute to a feeling that the whole idea contributes to
a feeling of a lack of security, a lacti of safety.
It can be quite confronting for people to have to

(56:53):
have to see all that and to be part of it.
So I agree with the idea that something should be
done about them, but you can't just say their band
what are they going to do where they're going to go,
So you need to, I think, have a wrap around
service that says, we're not going to let you sleep rough,
but here's what we are going to do. We're going
to we're going to put you into some sort of
transitional accommodation or something like that, because often it's the
lack of that transitional accommodation or those kinds of wrap

(57:14):
round services that lead to the rough sleeping. Not always
some are rough sleeping, so they can beg let's be
clear about that. They're not all sort of necessarily if
people with no choice, sometimes they do with the choices.
But broadly speaking, banning them is not the only answer.
We should make sure they move somewhere more conducive to

(57:35):
their success.

Speaker 4 (57:36):
Yeah, I'd imagine, Gareth that at least at the outset,
if you do something like this, many of them will
be spending the night in jail.

Speaker 22 (57:43):
Or wide are out of the city and to the suburbs.
And I agree with fifty percent of what Phil said.
You know, we need to come up with comprehensive solutions
to the problem. If we're just banning it and moving
the problem elsewhere, you know, that's the definition of the
bottom of the cliff. Thinking where people are drifting down
the river a little bit further at the bottom of
the cliff reminds me in Wales they were handing out

(58:04):
stab proof sleeping bag coats. You know, this was not
the solution to the rough sleeping problem. It's giving people
houses and I get that it's really uncomfortable in a
lot of our city centers. It's sad for me as
a parent that my teen daughter doesn't feel safe walking
around downtown Wellington. But the answer is a still fait.
We've just got to get affordable housing. I know, unemployments

(58:26):
at a nine year high. It's not normal that we
have so much rough sleeping in this country. We didn't
used to have it, and it's a result of concrete policies.
But we can change those policies.

Speaker 4 (58:36):
It's kind of probably quite normal nowadays, isn't it, though.

Speaker 29 (58:39):
Karn It's sad.

Speaker 22 (58:41):
I'm not that old, but I still remember a country
where it just wasn't normal with one person in Gisbel
and where I grew up.

Speaker 25 (58:47):
It happens in lots of cities and lots of countries,
and it's a wider issue than just complaining about how
New Zealand's got poor policies. But it is about making
sure that there is something for them to do. Otherwise,
to GaAs point, they'll what are you going to?

Speaker 2 (59:01):
What arey going to do?

Speaker 25 (59:01):
Turn up a new limb. I mean, you know, so
you need to have some sort of opportunity toff possible.

Speaker 4 (59:06):
Though, Phil that if you kick them out of the
city center, the attraction to rough sleeping for some of them,
some of them will fade, right because at least some
of the attraction is being there where the buzzers and
everybody else's and you're doing your drugs and you're you're
you're getting boozed. If you get pushed out to new Lin,
it's not nearly as fun if you're on your tod
and the bus stop.

Speaker 25 (59:23):
I think that's right. In other words, you can't say
that all rough sleepers are there if you like, because
there's nowhere else them to go, right. But so that's right.
But I think there's enough of that as certainly as
I walk around walk from cvdn't want you can see me,
didn't see them. Certainly, some of them are desperate souls
and we need to help them. So I think it's
a You can be cynical either way about this. This

(59:46):
is a dreadful thing the government's doing. That they're rough sleeping.
That's not quite true. And but all of them are
just rough sleeping because they can they can beg and
do drugs. That's not true. Yeah, there's there's a middle
ground here.

Speaker 2 (59:56):
Now.

Speaker 4 (59:56):
How are you stressed out, Gareth about the Chinese ambassadory
letters to MPs.

Speaker 2 (01:00:02):
Oh?

Speaker 22 (01:00:02):
I wouldn't say stressed out, but it does seem to
be an increasing pattern, and I think we should be
concerned about it because look, no government, be it China
or Russia or the US, should be interfering our politics.
I actually agree with that TMP Laura McClure who said,
you know, in New Zealand, where parliament sovereign and our democracy,
MPs are free to exercise their judgment. I'm not happy

(01:00:25):
that the Chinese Embassy is sending a lot of criticisms
of late everything from from this a visit to Taiwan
through to other things like the documentaries being screened, how
we operate customs. Yeah, we don't do it to them
and they shouldn't be doing it to us.

Speaker 4 (01:00:40):
Yeah, Phil.

Speaker 25 (01:00:43):
People can send lead us to MPCE for all sorts
of reasons. So I've got no problem with Chinese ambassador's
US investadors, you know, the Westmere Bowling Club or they
had the same the leader through fellow, I take not
much interest in it other than to say, other than
to say, the mp should read that letter, should should
take it for what it's worth, and then I think

(01:01:03):
properly ignore it and get on doing what they need
to do.

Speaker 4 (01:01:07):
Yeah, fair point. Hey, listen, thank you very much, you two.
I really appreciate it.

Speaker 10 (01:01:09):
Go well.

Speaker 4 (01:01:10):
That is Gareth Ughs and Filow Riley a huddle this evening.
It's eight away from six.

Speaker 1 (01:01:14):
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Speaker 3 (01:01:20):
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Speaker 21 (01:01:22):
Here.

Speaker 4 (01:01:22):
The fellow Riley talks a lot of sense. You should
have him on more often. Yeah he does. Actually, he's
not half bad at what he knows. The stuff he knows,
the stuff around politics.

Speaker 3 (01:01:30):
Hither.

Speaker 4 (01:01:30):
I'm the principle of a large primary school. I am
a member of the NZDI. That's the union for those guys.
I am so over the Union making a fuss about
every single new initiative the government puts out clearly we
have to do something about what is currently going on
to lift achievement across our children. Thank you for saying that.
Now I have been meaning, honestly for the longest time
to finally give you my book review on and I know,

(01:01:52):
I know you've been dying for you, Like, where is
that book review on Grant Robertson's book. I just cannot
wait to hear what you think of it. Well, we're
not going to have to wait very long. We're going
to do the book review in the next hour. We're gonna,
in fact, we need a sting for it, don't we.
We need something that sounds a little bit like it's
on our n Z, because, let's be honest about it,
a book review does feel a bit urn Z. But anyway,
it was a good book. I'll get you through some

(01:02:14):
of the details now it's five away from six. I
was talking yesterday about how busy Melbourne was when I
was there over the weekend, right compared to you know, Auckland, Wellington,
the cities that I kind of spend a lot of
time in the New Zealand. Turns out, when Donna Demayo
was on earlier, we're having a chat to her and
she said, now, do you know what To be honest,
that was a pretty epic weekend even for Melbourne, like
a lot was going on for us, not at all

(01:02:34):
normal in fact, and then she pointed us to In fact,
there is a letter on Facebook from the owner of
a joint called Cherry Bar where he thanks Oasis for
the support over the weekend. He writes, dear, It's called
the open love letter to Oasis. Dear liah Minol, I
love you. I'm the owner in the booker of Cherry Bar.
We are a small late night live music dive bar

(01:02:55):
that has somewhere survived for over twenty five years in Melbourne.
Blah blah blah. This winter was tough. The city is
dead and dangerous. Young people don't come out at night anymore.
I mean, does this not sound like Wellington or Auckland.
Young people don't come out at night anymore, and if
they do, they don't spend any money and they pingpong
between half a dozen different venues rather than sinking piss
in one joint. Then Oasis arrives. We just had our

(01:03:17):
biggest weekend and biggest week on record. Thank you Nolan, Liam,
Thank you Oasis. No government could ever plan an economic
injection of the size and import. So the lesson I'm
taking from this is not that there's no value in
what I said to you yesterday. There is value in
what I said to you yesterday. They're going through the
same problems we are in Melbourne. We're going through the

(01:03:38):
problems in Auckland Wellington. The difference is they are tackling
it head on. They went and had themselves a big weekend, right,
They had Oasis, they had Ricky Martin, they had the cricket,
they had the races. We need one here too. I
mean it's probably, you know, a bit NAF. But if
it wasn't a bit NAF, i'd start a hashtag hashtag
bed tax for Auckland. No, it's nath. We won't be

(01:03:59):
doing that anyway. Sky City, right, let's talk about sky
City next. Because I went, I had to look back
and I thought, how many delays have their being? When
were they supposed to open the convention center six years ago? Okay,
so it's six years late in opening. They've got the
keys today, so that's exciting. How many delays have there
been looks like at least six. So anyway, they're going

(01:04:20):
to be with us. We'll talk through how exciting that is.
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Speaker 4 (01:05:10):
Said been even in coming up in the next hour,
Beef and Lamb want to change the way we measure emissions,
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Indebrady is with us out of the UK and hopefully,
hopefully fingers Crossed will be able to get you across
what's happening with the big Maori party meeting. Oh and
Sexiest Man of the Year as well, you wait for
that coming up. Eight past six Now, after a decade

(01:05:32):
of building works, the keys for the International Convention Center
have been formally handed over to sky City. The works
began all the way back in twenty fifteen. They were
supposed to take three and a half years. At ten years,
a huge fire in an ongoing legal dispute, and finally
we've made it there. Pre Daily is the general manager
of the New Zealand International Convention Center and with us, Hey,

(01:05:52):
Prue cureda. Thanks for having me. Is it a relief?

Speaker 26 (01:05:55):
Oh, it's more than relief, it's absolute elation. We are
so excited to have the keys and finally get into
the building and start getting it ready.

Speaker 4 (01:06:03):
To truly give you keys.

Speaker 26 (01:06:05):
They literally give us a whole lot of keys. It's
not just one candidate. Like a box of keys got
handed over to our security team and they said, here
you go and you look after it from there. So, yes,
there are keys, but not like you would think of
in a twenty first where you get a big key
like that.

Speaker 4 (01:06:22):
To hear it, I thought that the place was supposed
to open in twenty nineteen. It was actually supposed to
open in twenty seventeen, wasn't it.

Speaker 26 (01:06:28):
Yeah, we've I mean, as you said in the intro,
you know, it was supposed to be three years. It's
been ten years. So we've been patiently waiting. But actually,
you know, now we're just super focused on getting that
building ready for February and make sure that when we open,
we're delivering really well.

Speaker 4 (01:06:44):
Yeah, so all of the building works is done right, correct?
So what do you do now?

Speaker 26 (01:06:48):
So our job as the operational team is to really
get in there, and we're doing some commissioning of our own.
We've got a whole lot of loose equipment that needs
to come in, about one hundred and fifty thousand items
that the team needs to.

Speaker 2 (01:06:59):
Like.

Speaker 26 (01:07:00):
Ah, so if you imagine you're going in for a
gala dinner, and we can do a gala dinner for
up to three thousand people, think of the spoons, the cutlery,
the crockery, the glass where the tables, the chairs, everything
that you touch when you come into a room for
a dinner. That's what's coming in at the moment. And
the team is unwrapping and unpacking and washing if required,
and putting it into its future home.

Speaker 4 (01:07:20):
So you enjoy doing that because that is fun. If
you like when you move into a new house, that's fun.
Is this fun?

Speaker 3 (01:07:25):
This is fun?

Speaker 26 (01:07:26):
I think you know, through the whole procurement process, being
able to pick out plates and glasses and make sure
that we're putting a unique New zealand touch on it,
it has absolutely been fun hard work at the same time,
But I think this is what makes our team really
proud about what we're doing is we hope that it'll
be a little bit different, a little bit unique. But
we'll actually speak to New Zealand for all those international

(01:07:48):
visitors who are coming through our doors.

Speaker 4 (01:07:50):
And so you're going to be bringing in events, right,
So you you've announced some, haven't you. We have announced some.

Speaker 26 (01:07:56):
So we've already got about one hundred events or over
one hundred events confirmed for the twenty twenty six calendar year,
with plenty more to come through.

Speaker 4 (01:08:02):
All announced. Those hundred all announced.

Speaker 26 (01:08:04):
Not all of them have been announced. We've got quite
a few that have, but some that are not ours
to announce there for our clients to announce as well.
So I think about you know, from a conference perspective,
we've got the Australian New Zealand College of Anethesis coming
in April, sixteen hundred people, huge medical congress, really great get.
We've got school balls, we've got charity events. We've got

(01:08:27):
Mel Robbins coming to speak into our theater. She just
sold out two nights in March. So quite a different
mix of events that we've got, but really, you know,
great to be able to have events that will bring
new international visitors into the country, but also some for
our kiwis.

Speaker 4 (01:08:44):
To enjoy space for music like musicians.

Speaker 26 (01:08:46):
Absolutely, yes, So we've got a teared auditorium that can
do just under three thousand people, so fans, speakers, any
kind of musical acts. Absolutely, we're looking forward to bringing lots.

Speaker 4 (01:08:57):
Of those in.

Speaker 26 (01:08:59):
Can't tell you any yet. I can't tell you any yet.

Speaker 4 (01:09:01):
I'm trying to get this out of here the whole time,
haven't I. Okay, So what I've established is it it's
not it's not Oasis level cool, it's not level.

Speaker 26 (01:09:10):
It's not a stadium show.

Speaker 4 (01:09:11):
It's not a goat, nothing that would go in the stadium.
So is it more like your your your weird little
random thing that you like, Like Eldest Harding.

Speaker 26 (01:09:21):
Definitely don't think weird and random. I think that we've
got some announcements coming up in the next couple of months,
and I think they'll they'll be artists that definitely resonate
with a lot of people.

Speaker 4 (01:09:32):
Floor if you want to get up and boogie.

Speaker 26 (01:09:33):
Well, Actually, our theater has retractable seating in it and
it retracts back, so we can have a general admission
standing floor in our theater as well. As a fully
seated space, so quite flexible and allows us to do
all kinds of things prove.

Speaker 4 (01:09:50):
Do you think that you're bringing in events like extra
above what was already going to be brought in or
are you cutting the lunch of smaller venues like the Civic.

Speaker 26 (01:09:58):
No, absolutely bringing in new business and that's where these
international conventions come in. A lot of them are the
size and scale that would never have come to New
Zealand with our ins ICC being open. So we've anticipated
that once we're up and running at full strength. You know,
we expect to bring about thirty three thousand new international
visitors into the country every year and that will equate

(01:10:20):
to about ninety million dollars of economic impact. So well, yes,
absolutely we have you know, New Zealand events as well.
We are out there and our sales teams out there
targeting new business for New Zealand very strongly.

Speaker 4 (01:10:34):
Oh fantastic. And so you're doing an open day for
the public at some stage, are you?

Speaker 26 (01:10:37):
We will do an open days for the public which
go fa, you can come and have a little finger
or how many things that you come and see the
amazing artwork we've got. Come and walk through the building.
It is absolutely stunning and honestly, as a team, we
just can't wait to share it with everyone.

Speaker 4 (01:10:51):
We're really excited. Mate, thank you so much for coming
and I really appreciate it. Pray day to having me
a general manager of the New Zealand International Convention Center.
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By the way, just before we get to Jamie McKay,
can I just quickly just point something out to you,
is this I was aware of this over the weekend
and I haven't seen that this has got like a
huge amount of publicity. But Oprah Winfrey's show has been canceled. No,
it's not canceled, Street, don't stress out. Oprah Winfrey's show
has been moved from Spark Arena to the Civic and Auckland.
Now Spark Arena can hold up to twelve thousand people.

(01:11:31):
The Civic only seats about twenty four hundred. Just want
to say, maybe someone's not as popular in New Zealand
as they thought. Sixteen past six, The Rural Report.

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Alternative Explanations, The tickets were too expensive. Jamie McKay hosted
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Speaker 3 (01:11:52):
Right?

Speaker 4 (01:11:52):
So the government's putting money into what to do what
with agricultural emissions?

Speaker 21 (01:11:57):
Well that's the proverbial. Well the shite hit the fan
here because Nikola Willis I chatted to her today in
a North Canterbury dairy paddock or dairy farm paddock. And
they've got this thing called agri zero en Z. It's
a joint venture between the government and leading agribusinesses, you know, Fonterra, silver,
fern farms, all these sorts of people. They're jointly funding

(01:12:20):
it with the government and it's ways to reduce our
greenhouse gas emissions. Now, there's all sorts of good ideas
out there that like some methane vaccine, vaccines, inhibitors, probiotics
and even pasture species that when consumed by the animals
will make them amit less methane. But here's a really

(01:12:41):
good one, and this one they've been pondering on for ages.

Speaker 3 (01:12:44):
Now.

Speaker 21 (01:12:44):
This is a wearable device heather. Sometimes cows wear collars
like they do for halter, and they can have virtual fencing.
This is a wearable device at the other end of
the cow.

Speaker 3 (01:12:57):
At the back end of the cow.

Speaker 4 (01:12:59):
Yeah.

Speaker 21 (01:13:00):
So the idea is that this wearable device, which they're
sort of under avail of secrecy because they're still going
through the IP and patent process. So what it does,
because cows are a big problem. They drink a lot
of water, they create a lot of milk. They also
pee a lot of urine, very high concentrations. Basically, they

(01:13:20):
stand still and planket in one place.

Speaker 25 (01:13:23):
Not good.

Speaker 21 (01:13:24):
Now, these people have quite rightly thought, if we can
somehow tweak mother nature and get that high nitrogen urine
spread around the pasture or the paddock evenly, problem solved.

Speaker 25 (01:13:36):
So how do you do that?

Speaker 21 (01:13:38):
You put a wearable device on the back of the
cow that when she peas, somehow it spreads the urine
like we fertilize a spreader. But if you think about it, Caather,
and I'm sure you lay awake at night thinking about this,
and you think of the geometry or the geography of
a cow. Just above where the pea comes out, something

(01:14:03):
else comes out. And that's where I think, I'm just
not quite sure how this is going to work. I
think the ship could really hit the fan. But it's
a unique idea and if it works it could be
a real game breaker, so good luck to them. This
is a startup Canterbury Country North Canterbury farmer called Moa.
Nicola was down there along with Shane Retty, the Minister

(01:14:24):
of Science, Innovation and Technology.

Speaker 3 (01:14:26):
They're very well.

Speaker 21 (01:14:27):
Nichola was very excited about it. So watch this space.

Speaker 4 (01:14:31):
That was interesting, Jamie, thanks very much.

Speaker 21 (01:14:35):
I may have been clumsy in my explanation.

Speaker 4 (01:14:37):
No, you got there.

Speaker 21 (01:14:39):
I got there in the end, but you just need
to go home and look at a picture of a
cow tonight. What I figure out how this could go
badly wrong.

Speaker 4 (01:14:45):
What was more interesting was how awkward you were as
a farmer talking about cowpo But anyway, listen Beef and
lamb right, it's the latest of a whole bunch of
global organizations now that want a new approach re methane.
Are they go to be able to put enough pressure
on the government to come around to.

Speaker 21 (01:15:02):
This, Well they've you know how we had just Cindus
christ Church called this is sort of Kate Ackland's split
gas call to other countries Beef and Land, New Zealand,
and it started with the conversation that Kate Ackland had
a number of years ago, apparently in the UK with
the Irish or someone like that. So what they've got

(01:15:23):
is they've got thirty organizations again across fourteen countries, and
they're going to petition the UN and petition their own
governments to take a split gas approach to measuring greenhouse
gas submissions i e. Carbon dioxide on one side and
methane on the other, and treat them differently and measure
them differently. They've got, as I said, fourteen countries have

(01:15:48):
signed up. When I look through the signatories of the
joint statement, it was interesting that the United States was
in there, and with everything Trump's saying at the moment,
it's rather inter that they're signing up for this one.
But I guess they want to protect their farmers as well.
And just before you cut me off, Heather, because I
know you're going to keep an eye out for the

(01:16:08):
Global dairy trade auction tonight. We haven't had a positive
auction for three months, not since August, the fifth futures
market picking two to three percent drop. Here's my question
for you, other than look at the geometry of the
cow or the geography of the cow. There's nine dollars
fifty on the cards. Do you think about that?

Speaker 4 (01:16:28):
Eva, Jamie, thank you. I appreciate it. Jamie McKay, Host
of the Country. I didn't want to say it the
entire time, but it's the biology of the cow, isn't it.
When you're talking about where things are, it's what's the
geography of the cow? He must have been a terrible farmer,
mustn't he. Heather Oprah lost my support when she aligned
with Meghan Markel on that appalling hit job on the

(01:16:50):
Royal family and then failed to challenge Meghan's claim that
the Royal family were racist. Actually very good point. It
did really not do Oprah very very much good, did
it right? I've got to what's going on with the
Marori party next stand by six twenty two.

Speaker 2 (01:17:04):
If it's to do with money, it matters to you.

Speaker 1 (01:17:07):
Your business hour with the Heather Duplic Ellen and maz
for insurance investments and Huiye Safer and you're in good
hands News Talks.

Speaker 4 (01:17:16):
Dead b anatomy. Heather, thank you, Joanne, thank you. That
is the word that we were both looking for and
we needed you to clear that up. Now listen what's
been going on with the Maori Party today is because
as you know, the Mardi Party has been falling apart
for about three months. The Ewie Chairs Forum has said, right,
that's enough of this. The grown ups are coming to Wellington.
So a whole bunch of the chairs have flown to
Wellington to meet with the party to tell them to

(01:17:37):
sort it out. Now, from what I understand, it is
to meet with as in John Talmaheada and the co leaders.
So remember the party's essentially broken into two factions, right,
You've got John Tamahada the co leaders debing Mahdi Wapaka
and Awadi Whit tit and then you've got on the
other side Taku Ta Feris and many I mean or
Kappa KINGI who want to basically be the co leaders.

Speaker 3 (01:17:58):
Right.

Speaker 4 (01:17:58):
So, from what we understand, and the EWE Chairs Forum
has met with the kind the existing leaders and John
Palmer had to tell them to sort it out. Baden Barber,
the chair, I think the meeting was running from something
like four point thirty to four to four to five
thirty or something, okay, but it clearly ran over time.
So we couldn't get a hold of Biden until very recently.
Baden Barber is the chair of Nati Kahungu, who was

(01:18:20):
at the meeting and will be with us just after
the news and talk us for exactly what's happened with
there's any hope for this ridiculous party six twenty six.

Speaker 2 (01:18:27):
There's no business like show business. I'm sixty four.

Speaker 4 (01:18:34):
That's right. Time has come. People magazine six Sexiest Man
of the Year has been officially revealed, and it is
Jonathan Bailey. I know you're going who the actual hell
is Jonathan Bailey. Jonathan Bailey is Lord Anthony Bridgeton m
Now you know why he's the Sexiest Man of the Year,
My right, ladies and gentlemen, Actually because we don't discriminate

(01:18:57):
here on this show. Oh we've had a change of music. Yes,
much more appropriate. He's also Lord Fierro. Have I pronounced
that correctly in the Wicked movies? I don't know. I'm
a grown up. I don't know how to pronounce witches names.
So anyway, he went on Jimmy Kimmel to accept.

Speaker 2 (01:19:12):
The honor in twenty twenty five.

Speaker 4 (01:19:14):
Just think I've sort of thrilled that People Magazine have
invited someone in to bestow this honor on someone who
can really cherish the value of a sexey mind. Now,
the reason he said that is because what he is.
He's the first out gay man to be awarded this title.
And the good thing about it is this year they've
actually picked somebody who is actually objectively sexy, because in

(01:19:35):
the past may haven't done that right. They had John
Krasinsky last year, who's Jim from the office, who is
not sexy, all good looking. Then they had Patrick Dempsey
who look as sexy, but it was twenty twenty three.
It was way past the time when majority of the
world was thirsting for Patrick Dempsey, you know what I'm saying.
And then do we need to even discuss Paul Runt.

(01:19:55):
There was that day when they did that. So Jonathan Bailey,
you have to say thank God for a good old
return to the days of picking sexy men who are
in fact sexy. Marti Party next.

Speaker 1 (01:20:15):
Sixty six, crunching the numbers and getting the results. It's
heathered to for c Ellen with the Business Hour and
MAS for Insurance.

Speaker 2 (01:20:32):
Investments and Kui Saber You're in good hands. News Talks d.

Speaker 4 (01:20:36):
B by Ende Brady on the BBC's bias read Donald Trump.
That has been exposed. I'm going to run you When
I say Inder Brady, I mean he's with us in
ten minutes. And I'm also going to run you through
my review of Grant Robertson's book. Right now, it's twenty
five away from seven now. EBE leaders have just concluded
an urgent meeting with the Maori Party executive at Parliament

(01:20:57):
in an attempt to bring an end to ongoing party
in fighting. NATI boss Baden Barber was at the Hui
high Biden, how are you thank you? Howd the meeting?
Is there any resolution?

Speaker 3 (01:21:09):
Yeah?

Speaker 21 (01:21:10):
There was.

Speaker 29 (01:21:11):
It went really well, very constructive and we got to
some outcomes and yeah, it was two hours so it
was a lot to discuss and yeah, great, I thought
it was great meeting.

Speaker 4 (01:21:27):
Okay, what are the outcomes?

Speaker 29 (01:21:30):
Uh, A truth, a ceasefire on on the on the
I was via social media. That was That was one
and the second one was an agreement to the meet Ada,
Mariah and Pornick to to work through the issues. So

(01:21:51):
so we met with Larwoodie White City and Debbie Now
they were packed up and a couple from the executive,
John Thumberhead and well no, John got called away, but
there was okay, there was, Okay. I spoke with John
this morning, yep, we had yeah, yes, so we spoke

(01:22:14):
this morning.

Speaker 4 (01:22:14):
Are you running to your flight, Baidenh'm running to my flight,
all right, Run and talk, Baden, run and talk, okay,
So tell me something. So this is basically an agreement
that the Maldi party executive and leadership will stop the
online and public attacks on Maria men Or and on
Taku de Ferris.

Speaker 29 (01:22:31):
Is that right, that's right, that's right.

Speaker 3 (01:22:33):
Yep.

Speaker 29 (01:22:34):
I'm just going to show my my account.

Speaker 22 (01:22:39):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:22:45):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:22:46):
Baden's still there. By the way, if you're wondering what's
going on, why is the radio so quiet, is just
showing his boarding pass, will be with we're back right, good, okay.
So the agreement is not to do these online and
public attacks.

Speaker 29 (01:22:58):
Yes, that's right, that's right, that's right, yep, okay.

Speaker 4 (01:23:00):
And then the point is what that they then that
that they will then get together with Maria Mental and
Tarcouter at this this meeting at the Mara.

Speaker 29 (01:23:09):
That's right, that's right. So that would agreed to come.
We haven't we haven't landed the day yet or the Mary.
But the intention is to come to the meeting and
now we need to meet the monumental to get the
same tope of agreement. So so yeah, yeah, it's pleasing

(01:23:33):
to be able to get to that outcome.

Speaker 4 (01:23:35):
Okay, Baden, how do you think this is going to end?
Is this going to be a split in the party?

Speaker 3 (01:23:43):
We hope not.

Speaker 29 (01:23:45):
We hope not. And it will try all we can
to keep the party together, but you know we can't.
We can't. Yeah that that that will if it plays
out that way, well that's our plays out.

Speaker 3 (01:24:00):
But from a.

Speaker 29 (01:24:01):
Egis point of view, having a united party functional and
focusing on the upcoming election is where we want to be, okay.

Speaker 4 (01:24:11):
And what is what's kicked us off? Is this because
Takuta Maria Meno wanted to roll the leaders.

Speaker 29 (01:24:19):
They work through a whole list of things that uh,
you know that there were issues, but you know that's
probably the key point. None of them were insurmountable. I
don't I think. I mean, there's some stuff that the
electricity to source through, but you know, we think that
we can still have the and move forward.

Speaker 4 (01:24:38):
Okay. Is is John Tommerheady going to stay in the
president in the role of president?

Speaker 29 (01:24:44):
Oh, that'll be up to that'll be up to the party.

Speaker 4 (01:24:46):
Is it possible that he goes.

Speaker 2 (01:24:49):
There?

Speaker 29 (01:24:49):
He was that he goes, well, that'll be up to
the party. Okay, yeah, no, no.

Speaker 25 (01:24:56):
No, I've got to I've got to go.

Speaker 3 (01:24:58):
I'm got to go either.

Speaker 4 (01:24:59):
Thanks, well, you know, for get okay, thanks Baden, Baden Barber.
What a decent guy. The way Court like Court tried
to catch the plane while having a chat to us,
I have more of him any day of the week.
By the way, Kimilla's sent a text through saying John
Thalmaherde is currently sitting in the viaduct having a drink.

(01:25:20):
He doesn't look too concerned about his party. Good spying, Kimilla,
Nick minute, you're going to be working for the Chinese
twenty away from seven?

Speaker 2 (01:25:28):
Ever, do for see Ellen's Hey.

Speaker 4 (01:25:30):
By the way, before I get to grant some book review,
did you know that we've been mispronouncing Ikea this whole time.
It's not Ikea, it's beatty.

Speaker 3 (01:25:40):
How do I do it?

Speaker 4 (01:25:42):
Ikia? You've got to, You've got to. You've got to
really put your emphasis on that key the care. But
so it's Ikia. Anyway you think you're gonna try it now?
I'm not going to try. I don't care. I don't care.
I don't even make anything with Pukakoe. I'm not making
anything with Ikea.

Speaker 3 (01:26:01):
Here we go.

Speaker 4 (01:26:02):
Grant Robertson's book review. Okay, so, in my humble opinion,
having read his book from start to finish, it is
not as well written as Jacinda's book. Now, if you know,
if you remember my book review from Jacinda's book, Justina's
book started off awesome. She had some great yarns, and
she's actually a very good writer. Grant I don't think
has the same kind of written flair, Like he doesn't

(01:26:23):
tell as good a yarn. He's got a lot of
like funnyish little anecdotes about some famous but like literally
every famous people person he meets seems to have made
it into the book. But they're kind, they're really short
little yarns, like they would be better at a dinner
party than in a book, do you know what I mean?
It's like a and you can sort of see how
he's recycled a lot of his very funny stories that
he has told at dinner parties that's had uproar, everybody's

(01:26:47):
laughing at it. He's kind of put it in the book,
and it's just the delivery is required in order for
it to work, So the book just reads a little bit.
It's annoying. A lot of political books written by former
politicians or journalists kind of fall into the same train.
Just because it was funny at a dinner party doesn't
mean it works on pages, do you know what I mean? However,
having said that, what I've enjoyed about Grant's book is

(01:27:07):
that it is more honest than Jacinda's book. Mart Like,
not one hundred percent honest. I mean, he's not going
to admit that he basically bankrupted the country or not.
I mean, that's over the top from me, isn't it.
He's not going to admit that he just blue cash
on nonsense while he was the Finance minister. He's not
going that far. But the problem with Jacinda's book is
she pretends that her government never did anything bad. All

(01:27:30):
the bad things that happened were, you know, external things
that happened, COVID, the mosque shooting, White Island. She just
handled them brilliantly. Though she doesn't basically acknowledge any of
the crap that she and her government did. He though,
is slightly more honest, because at least he talks about
their failure to deliver, which was a massive problem for

(01:27:50):
that government. The best stories in the book, I think
there are two of them. The first is the time
that he drank an entire bottle of gin in full
five minutes, and that kind of thing really humanizes him.
He was very young. I feel like he was at university,
all very end of school or something, and he hadn't
come out as gay yet, but some of the kids

(01:28:10):
were being mean about gay people and it was aimed
at him, and he hadn't been invited to a party
basically because he was gay, and he got wind of it.
He was so upset he went and bought a bottle
of gin while walking to the party and drank the
entire thing. And I mean that shows you how difficult
it is for some people to come out. He also
talks about anxiety. Now I didn't realize that he was

(01:28:32):
suffering this level of anxiety when he was the Foreign Minister,
but it was just after he started experiencing really bad
back issues and he'd had some treatment for it that
hadn't gone very well. And then j just Sinda told
him that she was going to quit, and he writes,
I went back to the hotel where I was staying,
I had a shower, and I went to bed. I
decided not to take the medication. I'm a bit of

(01:28:52):
a whiss when it comes to pills, and I felt
a bit better after talking with Mum. About two am,
I woke up and I began shaking uncontrollably, could not stop.
I got up, I made a cup of tea. I
sat on the couch, hoping for it to pass. After
what felt like hours, my heart began to slow a
bit and the shaking stopped. I had no idea what
a panic attack was, but it is clear to me
now that this is what it was. He goes on

(01:29:14):
to have some therapy. He never has another panic attack.
He goes to see a therapist and tries to deal
with it. What I would say is I did not agree.
I do not agree with a lot of what Grant
Robinson did while he was the finance minister. I think
he may have been one of the poorest finance ministers
that we had. But I am very sorry to read
that it got so stressful for him that he physically
had a reaction to it.

Speaker 3 (01:29:35):
So there you go.

Speaker 4 (01:29:36):
That's everything you needed to know in the book. You
now do not need to buy it. I did it
for you. You're welcome and the Brady next sixteen away
from seven.

Speaker 2 (01:29:44):
I think whether it's the macro MicroB by just playing economics.

Speaker 1 (01:29:48):
It's all on the Business Hour with Heather Duplic, Ellen
and Mass for insurance Convestments and Killie Safer.

Speaker 2 (01:29:55):
You're in good hands News talks.

Speaker 4 (01:29:57):
Evy either what gindery drink? I don't know. Actually that's
see there's color that was left out of a little
bit of detail we could have done with I thirteen
away from seven into Brady UK Correspondentelloinda.

Speaker 17 (01:30:09):
Hello, Heather, good to speak to again.

Speaker 4 (01:30:10):
What do you think about this bias that's been leveled
at the BBC.

Speaker 17 (01:30:14):
I think it's a very serious allegation to level at
any broadcaster and it is not a good look. It's
all over the front pages here and it's coming from
a man who was a very respected journalist here, Michael Prescott,
who was on an external board overseeing editorial standards and compliance,
and he says he has profound concerns about some of

(01:30:35):
the stuff that he saw going on at the BBC.
But Chief amongst them this Panorama program which went out
a year ago, just ahead of Trump's reelection, and it
was all looking at the Capitol Hill riots, and they've
basically spliced together two bits of the speech from different
ends of a Trump speech, making him say something he
did not say. So they were effectively saying that Trump

(01:30:59):
had said to his supporters that he would walk the
walk with them to Capitol Hill and fight like hell,
and he didn't. He said he would walk with them
to peacefully and patriotically protest, and then later on in
the same speech, he said that he would fight like
hell to overturn what Biden had done and stolen the election.
So it's very very damaging.

Speaker 4 (01:31:20):
Yeah, I mean from the sounds of things, because if
you listen to the way that Panorama had spliced it together,
there's music. There's a bit of music underneath it which
suggests it might have been a promo. Does that excuse it?

Speaker 17 (01:31:32):
No, not in the slightest. You can't mislead listeners, you
can't mislead viewers. And if people say so, you're making
someone say something they never did. I mean, there was
an incident as well previously with the Queen where there
was a documentary crew Queen Elizabeth the Second following her around,
and it made it look as if she'd flounced out
of a room after meeting someone. Never happened. Never happened. So,

(01:31:55):
you know, the BBC, I think their problem is there's
an arrogance there at the high level. I think the
place is run by private schoolboys who never really kind
of fully develop as journalists. And this is bad journalism.
I mean, it's like watching sport if you know, if
you know that the sportsperson is on drugs, the game
is over. Yeah, you can't believe what you're seeing. And
when an audience can't trust journalists to deliver the news,

(01:32:21):
well then you know you've lost your audience.

Speaker 4 (01:32:23):
Yeah, fair point. And now listen. Is there a suggestion
that the cops might have missed an opportunity to catch
that knife attacker about a day before?

Speaker 17 (01:32:30):
Yes, and this is serious. So the problem was that
the incident was not quickly reported to police. So a
man who bears a very striking resemblance, shall I say,
to the individual charge with the ten attempted murders on
the train, has gone into a barbershop in Peterborough with
what looks to be a foot long knife. I mean

(01:32:51):
you're talking sword territory here. He's brandished it in the
barbershop and then left. But the problem was no phone
call went to the police immediately. He then came back
a few hours later, and then a call went to
the police. It took officers eighteen minutes to turn up
in a small town, and when they arrived they couldn't
find this individual. And as I say, an individual bearing

(01:33:14):
a very strong resemblance to this man then turns up
on the train stabbing people. The police force has referred
itself to the Umbudsman, basically the police watchdog, but they're
saying no further action will be taken because of the
length of time it took the public to alert the police.

Speaker 4 (01:33:29):
I have a question for you about Prince William. Right,
so he's traveled to Brazil ahead of this cop thing,
and I was thinking the other day part of I
feel like it's problematic for him to be involving himself
in a political cause, which is what the climate is,
to the extent that he is.

Speaker 2 (01:33:45):
What do you think.

Speaker 17 (01:33:47):
I've no problem with William involving himself. I think he's
a very strong voice. He's one of the most recognizable
men on earth. And I think he's a voice for
good and I think he's following his father footsteps. He's
doing all the things now that his father can't do
and that William will not be able to do as
soon as he becomes king. So I applaud him. I

(01:34:08):
think it's wonderful what he's doing. He's wanting to make
a difference. And look he as we've seen some of
the behavior from his close relatives over the last decades,
he could be doing far worse, could they.

Speaker 4 (01:34:18):
Yes, But I mean, is it not possible? The climate
thing is becoming increasingly fraught, right, and I only see
and certainly in New Zealand, I see this really becoming
quite a political thing. Is it not possible that by
staking a claim to one side, that he actually puts
the royal family into politics, the very thing that the
queen avoided in order that they kind of rise above it,

(01:34:40):
you know, and Niver get tanged posible.

Speaker 17 (01:34:42):
Well, look, let's be frankier, Heather, the Queen avoided a
lot of things dealing with her son, Andrew was chief
amongst them. So if William is going to put himself
out there and puts some hard work in and look
this earth Shot Prize that he's gone to initially present
the winners of in Brazil in the next twenty four hours.
If they find something that can actually make life on

(01:35:03):
Earth better and we can sort out the climate crisis.
Good on him. Let me tell you one quick anecdote.
I've just come back from Morocco. We booked a trip
up into the Atlas Mountains and the guide took us
to see the Emu's Air Waterfall, supposedly one of the
most beautiful things in the whole of Africa. We got
there and there was no water. Yeah, and I said
to the guide, so where's the waterfall and he said, oh,

(01:35:26):
we haven't had rain here for five years.

Speaker 3 (01:35:28):
Hey, so there you go.

Speaker 17 (01:35:29):
That happened on Thursday.

Speaker 4 (01:35:31):
Could have told you that before he took you up
to see the waterfall. Goodness may that was that was
That was.

Speaker 3 (01:35:35):
What my dad said. That was what my dad said.
He said my dad's exact words.

Speaker 17 (01:35:38):
He said, Jesus, this guy could be irish.

Speaker 4 (01:35:41):
Thanks very much. Make good to talk to you. Into Brady,
UK correspondent coming up Saving Away from seven.

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Speaker 4 (01:35:55):
The BBC dibacle read the Trump speech. So many of
us have already lost all trust and main street, mainstream media.
I don't blame you. I mean this kind of thing
is just devastating, is it now? Shi Jingpan speaking because
we were speaking about the Chinese before. Shujingping has cracked
a joke about spyware and Chinese phones. And I didn't
think the man had a sense of humor at all,
particularly about the fact that he's spying on the world,
but apparently he does. So he you know, they do

(01:36:18):
this thing. He met with a South Korean president and
they exchanged gifts, and he gave the South Korean president
a couple of Chinese smartphones, and the South Korean president's
got balls a he goes is the communication line secure?
And it was translated to g and when Gi here's
the translation, he actually laughs at it and then points
at the phones and said, you should check if there

(01:36:39):
is a backdoor, which is basically when you install that,
you know, have pre installed software that allows the third
party monitoring. So lolls at that lo lo lo lol.
Actually don't know, I don't know, did that make you
feel like that's more chance or least chance that the
Chinese are spying on you through your phone.

Speaker 14 (01:36:55):
I don't know, and call your girlfriend by Robin to
play us out tonight. The news out is that Robin
is going to be releasing new music, a new album
for the first time since twenty eighteen. So it's been
a long time between drinks for her. But yeah, the
album is set for next year and it's going to
be called SIG's Estential.

Speaker 4 (01:37:14):
Now when you say Robin, am I supposed to know who?

Speaker 3 (01:37:16):
This is?

Speaker 14 (01:37:17):
Robin the Swedish singer. Hey, so she's a Swedish singer.
So her two big hats of this one call your
girlfriend and she has no one called Dancing on my
Own that we're both very big in the twenty tens.
But she's been around since the nineties. Nah, she's made.
She's joined Charlie XCX on stage recently Gracie Abrams as well.
Everyone's into it.

Speaker 4 (01:37:33):
How does dancing on my own?

Speaker 2 (01:37:34):
Go?

Speaker 4 (01:37:34):
Ants?

Speaker 25 (01:37:36):
Oh, okay, this is.

Speaker 14 (01:37:38):
Your one year that you get I keep dancing on
my own?

Speaker 4 (01:37:42):
No, do you know that one?

Speaker 21 (01:37:43):
Bet? Do you?

Speaker 4 (01:37:44):
Okay?

Speaker 2 (01:37:44):
It's just me?

Speaker 4 (01:37:45):
Sorry answer, This is not an indictment of your singing.

Speaker 14 (01:37:48):
Which wait for next year.

Speaker 4 (01:37:49):
Hey that was quite good.

Speaker 14 (01:37:51):
Oh Thanksiver.

Speaker 4 (01:37:52):
I'm going to make you do all the stings. If
you miss a sting, you have to sing it from
now on.

Speaker 14 (01:37:57):
I'm being punished my good singing voice.

Speaker 25 (01:37:59):
Look at that.

Speaker 4 (01:37:59):
Never is this thing after this?

Speaker 2 (01:38:01):
All right?

Speaker 4 (01:38:01):
Thank you very much, as appreciate that very much. Here's
your Robin. See you tomorrow.

Speaker 1 (01:38:38):
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