Full Show Podcast: 05 November 2025

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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Pressing the newsmakers to get the real story. It's Heather
Duplicy Ellen Drive with One New Zealand to coverage like
no one else.

Speaker 2 (00:10):
News Talks Heavy.

Speaker 3 (00:13):
Afternoon.

Speaker 4 (00:14):
Welcome to the show.

Speaker 3 (00:14):
Coming up today, Paul Goldsmith's Justice Minister on whether the
government is really looking at banning homeless from city centers.
Unemployment has gone up to five point three percent. We'll
have a chat to Informetrics about that. And then Simon Watts,
the Climate Change Minister, on whether he was trying to
hide those changes he made last night.

Speaker 2 (00:30):
Heather duper cy la, but so many of us.

Speaker 3 (00:33):
Have been around long enough to know how this debate
about moving on homeless in cities is going to go,
which is that if the government does do it, it's
not going to be thanked for doing it. It's going
to be criticized for being heartless, for dumping the problem
somewhere else, for not providing enough wrap around support, for
not dealing with the complicated upstream issues that create the
personal traumas that lead to hamlessness, for trampling human rights.

(00:53):
Whatever you've heard it all before, it's going to happen
all over again. And look, some of it is fair
I mean, it is a fair criticism that moving these
people on doesn't solve the problem. They have to go somewhere,
and unless they're going to go into a shelter or
any shelter and want to stay in that shelter, then
authorities will only be moving the problem somewhere else, from
the city center to the suburb or whatever. But having

(01:13):
said that, this has got to happen, I mean, come on,
rough sleepers cannot be allowed to crowd out our CBDs
like they are. That is not a consequence free decision.
You take a look at that Heart of the City
survey of retailers in Auckland's Queen Street last month, ninety
one percent ninety one percent of businesses said rough sleepers

(01:34):
and begging were affecting their business. If you leave homeless
to sleep in doorways and in bus shelters, you are
choosing them over the retailers that they are affecting. And
I would say that that is the wrong choice to make,
because those retailers are trying to do the right thing
right they're trying to apply a trade, trying to pay
their taxes, and unlike the rough sleepers, they cannot simply
upsticks and move their shop to the next street. They

(01:54):
are the permanent ones. There was a time before COVID
when there weren't this many rough sleepers in our city centers.
We have to, for the sake of these businesses and
just for our cities, try to get back to that.
And if that requires the government making it possible to
move the homeless along, then they should be applauded and
not criticized for that.

Speaker 2 (02:11):
Heather Duplessy Ellen.

Speaker 3 (02:16):
Nine two niness. Who's the text number? Standard text fees
apply now. The government wants eden Park to be able
to host twenty more medium sized concerts on top of
the twelve large events that they already have. It's also
recommending more timing flexibility for events. Auckland Council will have
twenty days to respond to this proposal from the government,
but rm A Minister Christmas Ship says he wants to

(02:37):
make these changes before the end of the year.

Speaker 5 (02:38):
Well, I have done by Christmas, so council's got twenty
working days to respond and then there's a bit of
a cabinet process to go through after that, but that's
a matter of weeks.

Speaker 3 (02:46):
Nick Saughtnet is Eden Park's chief executive and with us Hallonick.

Speaker 6 (02:50):
Good afternoon, Thanks for your time.

Speaker 3 (02:52):
Is this what you want?

Speaker 6 (02:54):
Well, isn't it a beautiful day in Auckland And this
is a very pleasing outcome that the government and has
proactively undertaken this investigation. We all know the impact these
rules are having on our ability to operate and the
potential impact that it's having on economic benefit for the city.

Speaker 3 (03:11):
And are they going to get any pushback do you
think from council?

Speaker 6 (03:15):
Well, we've gone out proactively to the residents already. We've
engaged with the Hood, the Residents Association. We want to
hear their views. But we're not surprised that the positivity
that has been received is consistent with the feedback we've
received over the last five years.

Speaker 3 (03:28):
What's the urgency? Is there something that you want to
host at the starter next year?

Speaker 6 (03:33):
There's a variety of events that are impacted by our regulations.
Last Sunday night we had to apply to Auckland Council
at a cost of fifteen thousand dollars to get an
extension to the operating so we could have the League fixture. Now,
I don't think there's a person that wouldn't acknowledge that
was one of the most memorable sporting events that we've
held at the park. So these opportunities are coming at

(03:54):
a cost, but it's also a barrier, and we want
to be able to operate. We want to have the
flexibility enabled to go out proactively to promoters both in
sport and entertainment and bring their content to our national stadium.

Speaker 3 (04:07):
Do you reckon that you could even fill this up
twelve big events and twenty smaller events.

Speaker 6 (04:12):
This is where we look at it and say we're
looking at opportunities. It might be five thousand people that
picnic on the park. We can't currently compromise our vent
consent for six artists up to twelve shows by hosting
that event, So we're passing on opportunities that otherwise would
be able to fill a calendar. We have over three
hundred and thirty vacant days here at the park. Yes,

(04:32):
we have a function business. I have a whole variety
of other activities, one thousand people a week on our
tour program. But what we need to see is people
coming to the park and investing both at the park
but also in the local businesses. I spoke to a
local business today. He said, one big event at eden
Park pays his rent for the month. That's the impact
that our major events have on the local area, but

(04:53):
also New Zealand.

Speaker 3 (04:54):
Do we run the risk of actually having too many venues?
Because we were chatting last night to the guys who
are running the International Convention Center, which is going to
open next year. They are going to bring artists over
as well. I mean, there is there enough? Is there
enough artists?

Speaker 2 (05:08):
Are there?

Speaker 3 (05:09):
Enough artists? Are there enough events to actually fill up
everything in the city, including you.

Speaker 6 (05:14):
Well, I think part of the challenge is ensuring that
we compliment each other, so it's a scheduling peace. We
don't want to have concerts on the same night. I
can recall a couple of years back where there was
a concert on at eden Park and a sports event
at Mount Smart. Now that's seen the city work better
together and that's a focus for us. We want to
see a venue of best fitst strategy and what's best
for Auckland. Ultimately, we see that Convention Center has been

(05:36):
complimentary to Eden Park, will have a curl that opens
seven minutes from the CBD to the park. We know
that eden Park is a global brand that a number
of those guests attending that convention center will be looking
to come here and experience whether our rooftop tours are
glamping R and d our event calendar.

Speaker 3 (05:54):
Nick, Now, you have been for the longest time trying
to convince me that you need a retractable roof, and
I've not been convinced. But I went to Marvel Stadium
in Melbourne over the weekend for Oasis and they had
a retractable roof, and I think maybe I'm coming round
to this idea.

Speaker 6 (06:09):
Well, it's a venue that I know well. Their number
one revenue is actually the car park underneath right when
you look at correct, Well, it certainly was when I
was there for thirteen years. But you look at that
as a case study. And we've got staff here that
work in the industry are traveling to Sydney for Oasis.
You earn money in New Zealand and you're spending it
in Australia the GST revenue alone. So what we need

(06:31):
to do is make sure that we're giving every opportunity
for promoters to be able to bring artists to New Zealand.
I'm delighted with the event fund. Unfortunately it's probably twelve
months too late. But we now have an event fund
and we know the financial impact that likes of coldplay.
Sometimes they are six to eight years lead time. I
look at some of the sports content that we're talking about.

(06:52):
This is twenty seven, twenty eight and twenty nine that
we're planning for now.

Speaker 3 (06:55):
Hey, listen, before I let you go, how are the
ticket sales for tonight?

Speaker 6 (06:58):
Because you've got the cricket on, well, we're hoping for
a big walk up. We've got strong corporate and membership.
Public is soft. The game starts at seven fifteen. If
you look out the window, surely coming to Eden Parks
night and seeing the Black Caps in action is a
good option. We've got a couple of swingming pools on
the side, and we've also got the fixture tomorrow night.
So if you can't make it tonight, please make sure

(07:19):
you buy a ticket and support our national team absolutely.

Speaker 3 (07:22):
What a day for the cracket. Hey, thank you. Nick
is always Nick scelt To, Eden Park's chief executive. I'm
going to the cracket. I'm actually going to I'm going
to Knicksbox. I'm going to see Nick at the cracket.
I want to see you at the cracket. It's going
to be a good time tonight. Listen on Sport that
red card that was given to the Irish player at
the weekend for that ridiculous head knock has been rescinded.
So obviously it was a yellow card. Went to the

(07:42):
next minute, it was a red card, So now how
to go to the disciplinary committee. Disciplinary committee looked at
the evidence and went no, no, that's not a red
card like the rest of the world. So at least
they can see what we can see. And here is
free to play this weekend against Japan. What a waste
of everyone's time. Quarter past.

Speaker 1 (07:58):
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Speaker 2 (08:04):
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Speaker 3 (08:06):
Mandanie's one. So he is now the mayor of New York.
So we'll have a chat to our US corsponder Jonathan
Curzley about that. Shortly eighteen past four.

Speaker 1 (08:14):
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Speaker 3 (08:20):
I think I'm feeling high. I'm feeling Darcy water Grave
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Speaker 7 (08:26):
Cannot wait to read Donald Trump's social media now that
he's been that bloke's been vote. This is going to
be hilarious. It really is.

Speaker 8 (08:34):
It's circus stuff.

Speaker 3 (08:36):
That's not why we're feeling high.

Speaker 2 (08:37):
Now.

Speaker 7 (08:37):
We're feeling high because I've got this really odd concept
that if I do lots of twenty to twenty five
push ups throughout the day, I'll hit one hundred, one
hundred and twenty five push ups a day. Extrapolate that
through the week, close on one thousand push ups a week. Now,
that's gotta be good for your muscles and your definition.
And so Heather drops down and she busted out twenties.

(08:58):
I'm impressed with that.

Speaker 2 (09:00):
Really good.

Speaker 7 (09:00):
But now you're gagging for breath.

Speaker 3 (09:02):
Well, I haven't done twenty press ups in a long time,
so I've had a hit. I've got a head rush.

Speaker 7 (09:07):
Wow, look at that, you know, snort.

Speaker 3 (09:09):
I tell you what what we want. I'm not even
gonna lie what we want as a shirtless photo by
the end of the year.

Speaker 7 (09:14):
Well of me.

Speaker 3 (09:15):
Yeah, if you're doing a thousand press ups, it's got
to be awesome.

Speaker 2 (09:18):
Yeah.

Speaker 7 (09:18):
Well, I've got to work out my stomach exercise as well.
It's all very well having a good upper body, but
if you've got.

Speaker 3 (09:23):
The crunches or fat don't you do the crunches? And
then the extension.

Speaker 7 (09:27):
I got all sorts of things.

Speaker 3 (09:30):
Yeah, anyway, okay, so the black Caps playing tonight. You're
going tonight?

Speaker 7 (09:35):
No, because I work from seven to eight. By the
time I get in my car and then drive back
up to Eden Park and then get to the game,
it's been going for an hour and forty five minutes.
So I was like, I kind of miss half, So no,
I don't. I'll be watching it on Della, like going to.

Speaker 3 (09:52):
To good weather for us.

Speaker 9 (09:54):
Yeah.

Speaker 7 (09:54):
Huge, And finally Summer's funny turned up. It's magic cricketably
be pleased as well that Jordy Barrett's coming home. He's
got a couple of twinges, the high ankle spraying, a
bit of a knee problem, but he's not going to
stick around the Northern till which makes sense. He's been
playing almost constantly for that. I don't know how long.

(10:14):
Clark laid Law, the Hurricanes coach, is like, well, he
probably needs a rest. He probably does, and I think
that he'd rather be there because he's looking around and
going lest.

Speaker 3 (10:26):
He was playing over there in the Six Nations, wasn't
he or just in the clubs.

Speaker 7 (10:30):
No, no, he's playing. He is playing Club Ragby, not playing.

Speaker 3 (10:33):
Not international, but he was, so he played that. He's
been playing that and then comes straight back for the tests.

Speaker 7 (10:39):
Yeah, and now he's doing this and now he's a
bit broken, so he'll come home, he'll recover, he'll enjoy
the takawa and the beach and fish and chips and
alan b and hopefully to go to the gym too
and do lots of press up so it doesn't turn
to slop. And then and then be back for the
start of the hurricane season.

Speaker 3 (10:55):
Which ask him for a shirtless photo starting.

Speaker 7 (10:58):
I think people would much rather see him shirtless than
me at the grand old age of level fifty six.

Speaker 3 (11:04):
Okay, go on this, Venus Williams head, how good? What
do you think?

Speaker 8 (11:08):
Forty five years old and she's still playing and playing
pretty well.

Speaker 7 (11:13):
She seated, she's going to be a wild card. Okay,
no siege, come over. This will be this the seventh
time she's played over here. Loves the place, really enjoys
the place and wants to come back. And when you've
got a situation, there used to be restrictions around the
seeded players. You could have and the women's raw's gone now,

(11:34):
so I have her over they want if they want
to come over. Men's slightly more restricted, but those full
draws are coming out for the females and for the
males mid December. I think one's a week and then
a week later the second one, so we'll know more.
Nico or Nicholas Lambern, who's the tournament director. He joins
the program Sports Talk later on tonight to tell us

(11:59):
more about how they got hold of Venus yet again,
how much it cost them? Whatever are the questions I
can load out. I'll let you know about that.

Speaker 8 (12:06):
But it's a it's a great call. It's a very
popular tournament. What it says to me is that people
love going to New Zealand. You know it's going to
have a roof in a year and a bit better.

Speaker 3 (12:18):
I know. Listen, have you read the BBC be a
piece about the Battle of the Sexes with Nick Karrios
harmless entertainment or damaging to women's sport? Have you read that?

Speaker 8 (12:27):
No?

Speaker 7 (12:27):
I haven't, wait should I go and have a read
of it?

Speaker 9 (12:30):
So?

Speaker 2 (12:30):
What is it?

Speaker 10 (12:31):
Is it?

Speaker 7 (12:31):
Carrios playing what against a woman playing against?

Speaker 3 (12:35):
What's what's the face?

Speaker 8 (12:36):
What's SABOLINGA I don't know.

Speaker 7 (12:38):
Is that damaging or is it fun?

Speaker 3 (12:40):
Well let's find out and I read that next.

Speaker 11 (12:42):
What you please do drop and give me ten sports
talk host back at seven.

Speaker 1 (12:49):
The name you trumped to get the answers you need,
it's Heather duplic Ellen Drive with one New Zealand coverage
like no one else us talk.

Speaker 3 (12:58):
They'd be coming up twenty five past four. So the
piece that's in the BBC is this is if you
haven't caught up on this right Saboleinka is going to
play Nick Kiios and a Battle of the sex is
like what was it Billy Jenking? And what's his name?
Bobby Rex? Thank you no one remembers him, which you
know I think is quite nice. Actually apropos what I'm
about to tell you. So the piece is no Darcy

(13:21):
did tell me, Yes, Darcy did tell me just a
minute ago that it was Bobby Rex. But he's got
a forgettable name, Darcy, he's got a boring name anyway.
Moving on, So the headline of the BBC piece is
harmless entertainment or damaging to women's sport, and then go
on to analyze and says basically tennis fans are divided
into two camps as a result of this. Some think

(13:41):
it's a bit of harmless entertainment which will successfully attract
the eyeballs of a newer, younger audience in the age
of social media content. Others believe it is a misguided
venture and sets up an opportunity for women's sport to
be belittled. If Sa Bolenka is beaten by Kerrios, how
how has come on? How is women's sport belittled? If

(14:03):
a woman loses to a man. Okay, yeah, she's the
world number one and he's like a dickhead who's out
of form, So that's not great. But surely by now,
surely to god, by now. When I say by now,
I mean like thousands of years ago we realized women
just do not have the power that men have. Right,
So we're going to get beaten by the bloke. Because
I don't know how that's belittling to us. That seems

(14:25):
to me to be another description for that, which is facts. Anyway,
talk about that with a hardle. Later on, Government's changed
some climate change stuff. I need to get you across this.
So it's pretty technical, which means it's a very kind
way of also saying it's pretty boring, but it is
really really big what they've done. So they've delinked the ets,
the emissions trading scheme from the climate the Paris Climate Pact,

(14:49):
and basically what that means is the government can buy
offshore credits to meet targets instead of decreasing emissions here
domestically to meet the targets. It's also decided the public
service doesn't have to be CARB neutral by this year.
They could push it out to twenty twenty five. That's whatever, whatever, right,
It's really big but boring. But then they tried to
hide it, and this is the weird bits. They put
up a press release on the website announcing this, but

(15:11):
then they didn't send it to journalists. They send everything
that they do to journalists. All their press releases come
to the journalists, except for this one.

Speaker 2 (15:18):
What a surprise.

Speaker 3 (15:19):
It's like they're ashamed of it. Anyway, they shouldn't be
ashamed of it, because this is necessary stuff. And we'll
talk to Simon Wat's, the Climate minister about that after
six o'clock, Heather. This is great news for Auckland. This
is really the homelessness thing. Also for all the hotels
that are running at forty percent capacity. That's from Andy
News is next.

Speaker 1 (15:40):
On your smart speaker, on the iHeart app and in
your car on your drive home, it's Heather du the
c Ellen drive with one New Zealand and the power
of satellite mobile news talks.

Speaker 2 (15:50):
They'd be sorry that your.

Speaker 12 (15:57):
Good taken.

Speaker 3 (15:58):
You're no Heather. The carbon market has crashed twenty percent
from that announcement. That's the one last night I was
telling you about, and a missions have filled their boots
with cheaper credits to keep amissing Minister of Climate change.
But in support of climate change maybe well, I don't
know is he I mean, is he in support of

(16:18):
climate change or is he just living in the real
world where the alarmism has reached its peak and now
it's over. I would say, but yeah, the market it's
not really working, is it. Anyway, listen and we'll talk
to him about that after six o'clock, just on this
homeless thing. I have a question for you, kay. So
it's basically I mean, you could argue it's been confirmed,
hasn't it by Mark Mitchell the way he was talking

(16:39):
on politics Wednesday's basically confirmed isn't it that they're going
to do something on the homelessness and we're going to
talk to Paul Goldsmith about it when he's with us
after five. But what does this then say about the
answers that Chris Luxon was giving in the house yesterday
because he was, kind of to be fair to him,
he was caught on the hop by Chris Hopkins asking
him whether they were doing something about it, but he
just basically pretended it wasn't happening, and he might be

(17:01):
able to get away with it on a technicality because
his answer was there have been no cabinet decisions, which
may be true, or cabinet discussion on that topic, which
may be true. But he made it sound like they're
not doing anything, and they quite clearly are. So anyway,
maybe Barry can explain to us how this looks then
when he's with us in ten minutes time. It's twenty
three away from five.

Speaker 2 (17:20):
It's the world wires on News Talks, Eddy Drive.

Speaker 3 (17:24):
So it looks like Democratic socialist Zoran mam Dami is
going to be the next mayor of New York City.
CNN has called the election for him.

Speaker 13 (17:31):
M'm darning's Vickory marketing an historic moment in the city.
At the age of thirty four, he will be the
city's youngest mayor in a century. He will also be
New York cities very first and was love mayor.

Speaker 3 (17:42):
Now he is currently projected to win fifty point three
percent of the vote. His closest rival, Andrew Cuomo, is
set to win forty one point six so it's basically
in the bag. Over in Australia, the opposition leader Susan
Lee says that her party's current divide over net zero
is nothing to worry about. The Liberal Party is reportedly
split over whether to follow their coalition partners example and
dump the net zero emissions target. Susan says it's not

(18:05):
uncommon for party members to disagree.

Speaker 10 (18:07):
While we might be presented as being at war and
that's how it's been described to me once or twice,
that's actually not the reality. So there are a lot
of sensible, calm, measured discipline discussions.

Speaker 3 (18:18):
And finally, I don't use tinder, so I didn't know,
but that's the tinder match sound. So yeah, that's a thing,
and that's relevant because I'm about to talk to you
about something similar. Right and Advertising CEO in Mumbai says
LinkedIn should give users the option of displaying an open
to marry badge as well as the existing open to
work badge. The CEO says he hasn't had any luck

(18:40):
on dating apps or meeting people in real life, and
he wants to give LinkedIn ago. He says that if
you can find a job, client, mentor or investor on LinkedIn,
should be able to find love there too.

Speaker 1 (18:51):
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Speaker 3 (18:59):
There it is again, Jonathan Kursley, US correspondent, Alo.

Speaker 14 (19:02):
Jonathan, it's a match, Heather.

Speaker 3 (19:05):
Hello, Hell are you very well? Thank you mate? So,
ma'm darmi is he going to get all of his
kookie ideas across the line.

Speaker 14 (19:13):
Yeah, Well that's the big question now, isn't it. Because
he's got a whole range of ideas. He wants tax
the wealthy, he wants free childcare for all, he wants
rent freezers in some parts. He wants better transport services.
But essentially you've had the American President Donald Trump saying
he will massively slash federal funding to New York if indeed,
ma'am doan, he does win and it looks like he

(19:33):
is well and truly on track to winning this historic election.
As we heard Jake Tappertha Sann and that clipped before say,
the youngest New York City mayor in one hundred years,
the first Muslim mayor for New York City. And Donald
Trump in the past few moments has just given his
first reaction to this, saying, and all he's done is
quote polsters saying Trump wasn't on the ballot and the shutdown.

(19:53):
They're the two reasons the Republican lost his elections tonight.
So clearly he's blaming some of the losses not just
in New York but governor races in Virginia and New
Jersey on the government shutdown that has been going on
for well over thirty days now, and also blaming it
on a lack of presence of himself. But he certainly
inserted himself into the campaign in the last few days,

(20:14):
throwing his endorsement behind Andrew Cuomo.

Speaker 2 (20:16):
That didn't work.

Speaker 3 (20:17):
It really doesn't at all, did it. Do we know
what's caused this plane craft?

Speaker 8 (20:21):
Yeah?

Speaker 14 (20:22):
This is fascinating and horrific, incredibly sad details emerging in
the past few hours of this plane crash in Kentucky
at Louisville's Muhammad Ali International Airport. It was a cargo
plane that was carrying three people. It took off around
five to fourteen local time, and that there was a
fire you can see from the video in the engine
underneath the wing. It appears as though some debris has

(20:45):
fallen from that aircraft and then it has just plummeted
straight into an industrial site just adjacent to the airport itself.
The latest figures we had from authorities within the past
five minutes is that there are now seven people confirmed
dead in there were three on board. Obviously more people
had been injured on the ground. There had been reports
eleven people were injured on the ground, but seemingly some

(21:07):
of those have sadly now passed away. The fire that
had caused bird four hours. That is because there was
some one hundred and forty thousand liters of jet fuel
on board this plane. It was full with fuel. It
was bound for Honolulu, so it had a first stretch
to go that would have been a nine or ten
hour flight in itself, so it was loaded up with fuel.
But it's come down into this industrial site in Louisville

(21:29):
and Kentucky and caused death and devastation. And now you've
got the National Transportation Safety Board trying to get on
site to work out exactly how this managed to happen.
But clearly the fire under the wing and the debris
found on the tarmac is going to be very central
to what they're looking at. But just another deadly plane
crash in the United States this year.

Speaker 3 (21:46):
Yeah, hey, thank you very much. Do appreciate it. Jonathan,
look after yourself. Jonathan Kursley, US correspondent coming up nineteen
Well rub it as nineteen.

Speaker 2 (21:53):
Away from five together for sel whither.

Speaker 3 (21:55):
That sounders haunting? Thank god the search is over. Well, look,
I don't know if you've watched and just like that,
but I would say that you don't need to live
with a man. You could do a carry. Bradshaw just
saying here that it is demeaning to women because Nick
Carrios has only allowed one serve, which is actually true
from David if you go and read that, they're likely
to play this under modified rules to basically give the

(22:19):
girls a better chance here and apparently Nick Kurrios will
only about one's service. So look, let's be honest. If
the world number one loses to chunky old Nick Krrios,
who's out of foreman is only restricted to one service.
He still beats Sir Tis a little demeaning to us,
isn't it. We've got to take Alex now, BBC man,

(22:40):
this is they're in royal trouble over this bias thing,
because this bias thing has been brewing for such a
long time. And then, as I told you yesterday, the
internal dossier was leaked, which you know, really canvassed some
of the more outrageous things like just literally making up
things that Donald Trump said, which he hasn't said. The
new stuff that's been revealed today is that as basically

(23:00):
pertaining to the Gaza War, the BBC chose to minimize
Israeli suffering in the war in Gaza so it could
paint Israel as the aggressor. Allegations made against Israel were
raced to air without adequate checks. This is, according to
the memo, suggesting either carelessness on the part of the
BBC or a desire always to believe the worst about Israel. Now,

(23:21):
to be fair, this is the BBC Arabic service, which
is slightly has been treated slightly different from the main BBC.
But the main BBC also has its own problems. I
get to that in a minute. But on BBC Arabic,
some of the problems are a guy who said Jews
should be burned as Hitler did. He appeared as a
guest two hundred and forty four times in the space

(23:42):
of a year and a half. Another guy who'd described
Israeli's as less than human and Jews as devils appeared
five hundred and twenty two times in the same period.
The bb also didn't transgress quite as much as BBC Arabic,
but also gave unjustifiable weight to Hamas claims about the
death toll and gar which we all know were wid

(24:02):
wildly exaggerated for propaganda purposes, incorrectly claimed that the International
Court of Justice had ruled that genocide was taking place.
As a result of this, the leader of the opposition,
Kemmy Badenocke, is now calling for heads to roll at
the BBC. Are the things getting ahead of esteem? Gavin
Gray is going to be with us, our UK correspondent.
At about a quarter it to seven. Barisopa's next sixteen

(24:23):
away from five.

Speaker 1 (24:23):
Politics was centrics credit, check your customers and get payments.

Speaker 3 (24:27):
Surtaday thirteen away from five and Barriosoper, senior political correspondents
with US. Hello Barry, good afternoon, Heather. So, I didn't
realize that the Indian trade team were here.

Speaker 8 (24:36):
Yes they are. They're in Auckland today and the Prime
Minister flew up this afternoon to have a talk with them.
Was the fourth round of these trade negotiations, and listening
to lux and talking about them, he said that yes,
he believes the trade deal will be in place before
the next election. Now, this is the most populous nation

(24:56):
on Earth, India, and of course we know the benefit
that we got out of negotiating a trade deal with
the Chinese. So the trade deal with India is very important.
So it was a pretty important place for the Prime
Minister to be today, missing Parliament's question time this afternoon,
even if Chris Hopkins had a problem with it.

Speaker 15 (25:19):
So Lesters Speaker, I understand the Prime Minister is in
the building. He was on the tiles about five minutes ago,
answering media questions. So I seek leave for my question
to be held until he's available in the debating chamber
to answer it.

Speaker 16 (25:30):
Well, that's an interesting reference you're making to a members
not being present, which is not appropriate.

Speaker 2 (25:37):
How I've got to put the leaf, is any objection
that course of action.

Speaker 15 (25:42):
To the Prime Minister? Does he stand by all of
his government statements and actions?

Speaker 8 (25:46):
So he had to stay there to an to that
particular question, which is one of those silly questions that
is always asked in Parliament. But of course he talked
to the media before jumping on a plane, coming up
to Walkland and going to the trade talks with the Indians,
so I think that was pretty important.

Speaker 3 (26:01):
So how long do we have to wait to find
out what this awesome question is?

Speaker 8 (26:05):
Well, the answer to it.

Speaker 3 (26:08):
I thought he was going to hold the question until
the Prime Minister was there.

Speaker 8 (26:11):
Well, but the Parliament voted against it.

Speaker 3 (26:14):
So oh, I see, okay, listen, the government is doing
something about the homeless, aren't they.

Speaker 8 (26:21):
Well it's really interesting hither because Chris Bishop was being
asked about and in Parliament this afternoon. The government is
either testing the water or it is you know, it
is planning something, but they're playing.

Speaker 2 (26:35):
It very carefully.

Speaker 8 (26:36):
And now I don't know why. I think they should
be full on on this, but they can't just mow
people out of these.

Speaker 3 (26:44):
It's always turned septic for authorities trying to do the
handring is coming out feeling bad about it.

Speaker 8 (26:50):
Yeah, Well the questions were being fired over it by
Labour's Karen McNulty in Parliament today. Have a listen.

Speaker 17 (26:58):
Why is the government working on legislation that would enable
the removal of rough sleepers from central business districts? The
Government isn't Why is the minister denying this? When Police
Minister Mark Mitchell confirmed on news talks there'd be this
morning that quote Paul Goldsmith and Justice are doing a
lot of work around that end quote, and that legislation

(27:19):
to move homeless people from CBDs to the suburbs was
quote fully supported by Caucus and the.

Speaker 2 (27:25):
Prime Minister end quote.

Speaker 5 (27:28):
The government is considering a range of different things in
relation to the CBD. The Government, as well as Auckland
Council is off the view that we can make the
CBD more desirable place for everyone to be than it currently.

Speaker 2 (27:42):
Is a sublementary question. The Honorable Shane Jones and no
one else speaking.

Speaker 16 (27:47):
Can you confirm it is not appropriate to use homelessness
as a moral cloak to hide drug taking, criminality and violence.

Speaker 8 (27:57):
Well, he didn't have to answer that because the is
not actually responsible for that. But no, it is interesting.
There is a private member's bill in the biscuiton it's
National's Ryan Hamilton, who happens to be from Hamilton, and
it's there and it proposes to remove sleepers and that's

(28:18):
what the Prime Minister was referring to earlier, that you know,
to get them out off the streets. Well, not the
Prime Minister, sorry, Mark Mitchell's referring to this morning that
there was support for that bill and it's a private
members one in mark Biscuitton.

Speaker 3 (28:33):
Why is Chris Bishop and Chris Luxem being so weird
and shady about it instead of taking the approach that
Mark Mitchell's taken, which is to just be mtch was very.

Speaker 8 (28:41):
Open about it.

Speaker 14 (28:41):
Why not do that?

Speaker 8 (28:42):
And I think you'll find Paul Goldsmith will be the
same when you.

Speaker 2 (28:45):
Talk to him later.

Speaker 3 (28:46):
Okay. Now the Prince of Mining, well, as you say,
I quote you, the Prince of Mining was in full
flight today.

Speaker 2 (28:54):
Yes he was.

Speaker 8 (28:55):
He's a self declared Prince of Mining, Shane Jones. He
was certainly on form in Parliament this afternoon when he
was bragging about a thirty year mining permit being issued
for an Australian based sent to minerals firm. Here's the
Resources Minister in full flight.

Speaker 16 (29:13):
We're entering a golden age, not that I can completely.

Speaker 2 (29:16):
Claim all the credit.

Speaker 16 (29:18):
On the West Coast of New Zealand, a sum of
one hundred and seventy two million dollars over the last
day of three has been announced to be dedicated to
the Federation Mine briefed and now known as the Angel
of Mine. Why do people on the other side of
the house hate investment? Why do they stand with frogs

(29:40):
and geckos and unnecessary critters. One hundred and seventy two
million is going directly into the economy of the West Coast,
and I fear that it'll be more busts they make
of my good self.

Speaker 2 (29:53):
What will this announcement mean for the local economy?

Speaker 16 (29:56):
A sir, modesty forbids that I claimed total credit. But
please think about the forlorn period of time that has
afflicted these parts of the South Island.

Speaker 7 (30:09):
Do you think he enjoys me?

Speaker 8 (30:13):
He loves it because he's being so contrary to the
opposition ventures and and don't forget this man used to
be a labor party.

Speaker 3 (30:23):
All the things that you're not supposed to say. It
just makes the Greens dy inside. Thanks very much, appreciate it,
very sober. Senior political correspondence Coming up seven away from.

Speaker 1 (30:32):
Five the Headlines and the hard Questions. It's the Mike
asking Breakfast.

Speaker 18 (30:37):
It wasn't too long ago that some people were saying
five point five and I'll never forget that I read sex.
When did that materially change? And do we think five
two five three is about it?

Speaker 19 (30:46):
Yeah?

Speaker 9 (30:46):
I think it's been a bit of realization about the
effects of basically participation in the workforce has absorbed on
it and essentially it's really come to the younger people
in particular, so as they've been I guess first on
the chopping block as the economy slowed, a lot of
them have gone.

Speaker 20 (31:02):
Back to school or stayed in school for longer.

Speaker 9 (31:04):
So they're showing up in the ranks of not in
the workforce as opposed to actively unemployed and seeking work back.

Speaker 18 (31:10):
Tomorrow at six am, The Mike Hosking Breakfast with Maybe's
Real Estate News Talk zb Um.

Speaker 3 (31:17):
Heather, what was the name of the book that you
mentioned you were reading yesterday on the rise of anti Semitism?
Is it worth reading, Yes, Andrew actually is it's Douglas
Murray's book. I would recommend many things that I was
going to say all things. I haven't read everything Douglas
Murray's written, but Douglas Murray is a fantastic thinker, and
if you don't know who it is, he often writes
for the Telegraph. He's a conservative thinker who is from
the UK, lives in New York now, I think, and

(31:39):
just kind of lays out, you know a lot of
stuff that you see happening, but it's quite good to
see it all in one place. So the book is
called on Democracies and Death Cults, and he tries to
explain why it is that in Western cities like New
York and London on the seventh of seventh and eighth
of October twenty twenty three went out into places like

(32:01):
Times Square and celebrated the fact that Hamas was killing
Israelis as if that is a normal thing to do.
And he tries to explain why that happened and why
we tolerated it and didn't call it out anyway. I
do recommend it, but it is grim. So the first
night I read it, because you read before bed Obviously,
first night I read it, I had a nightmare. So

(32:22):
brace yourself, Brace yourself. Listen. New Zealand on air has
announced it's setting up a YouTube account and it's basically
doing this it's for kids for New Zealand Made Kids content,
because it turns out parents don't know where to find
New Zealand Made Kids content and kids spend huge numbers
of kids on YouTube. Two and three kids between the
ages of two and fourteen watching YouTube every day. So

(32:44):
they've decided they're just going to go to where the
kids are. They're going to be with us shortly. But
Paul Goldsmith is with us next on what the government
is actually doing to try to get on top of
this homelessness issue. News talks the'd Be.

Speaker 2 (32:58):
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Speaker 3 (33:34):
There be good afternoon. The government seems to have confirmed
it is working on measures to deal with rough sleepers
in Auckland CBD yesterday. Chris Hopkins of the Labor Party
surprised the Prime Minister by asking about it in Parliament's
question time. The Prime Minister denied that cabinet had made
any decisions or had discussions about it, but ministers have
today admitted they are actually working on measures. Paul Goldsmith

(33:55):
is the Justice Minister.

Speaker 12 (33:56):
Hi Paul, Hello, Hello, how are you well?

Speaker 15 (34:00):
Thank you?

Speaker 3 (34:00):
I mean, let's get Are you working on something or not?

Speaker 21 (34:04):
Well?

Speaker 2 (34:05):
Yes.

Speaker 12 (34:06):
The issue, of course is blindingly obvious to anybody who
goes into Central Auckland is that we still have a
problem with general anti social behavior, and that's a real
concern to retailers, it's real concern to people who'd live
in the CBD, and also a concern for people who
want to come in and feel safe, which is a
basic expectation. We've got high hopes for Auckland. Next year

(34:28):
is going to be great year c RL. We want
the place to be humming and looking good.

Speaker 14 (34:32):
And so.

Speaker 12 (34:34):
There's a whole range of issues that we're dealing with,
and so on the housing front and homeless front, my
colleagues mister Bishop and mister Portucker a working very hard
in that area. I'm coming at it from the justice
point of view and my focus is on anti social
behavior in particular, and there's been some many proposals put

(34:56):
forward by the Retail Advisory Group, some of them around
move on orders, and that's something we're considering. We haven't
made decisions yet, but that's something we're considering.

Speaker 3 (35:05):
Okay, So you are considering move on orders. Are you
considering a homeless a rough sleeping ban in the city center?

Speaker 12 (35:13):
Not directly that I'm aware of. What we're looking at
is that the question of being able to deal with
people who are it's behaviors that we're looking at rather
than the particular people, behaviors that are not approvate and
giving the police extra powers to move people on.

Speaker 3 (35:32):
So if you're not considering a ban, are they going
to be allowed to keep sleeping in the city center?

Speaker 12 (35:37):
Well, well, that is something that we're still making decisions
on and we're working our way through.

Speaker 3 (35:43):
So is a ban possible?

Speaker 12 (35:45):
Well, I mean that the broad issues that we have
to feel about. I mean, yes, homelessness has been an issue.

Speaker 22 (35:54):
So you.

Speaker 12 (35:56):
Are considering a ban now, Well, I'm focused on the
anti social behaviors.

Speaker 3 (36:02):
That are somebody in party considering a ban?

Speaker 12 (36:06):
No, We'll see, you're trying to sort of get me
to talk about something that's out of my ministerial.

Speaker 3 (36:12):
Area is going on here, I am, It's very simple.

Speaker 12 (36:16):
It's very simple that.

Speaker 3 (36:19):
I understand. I understand that you guys are considering a
range of things, and that's fair enough. The most interesting
of those things would be a ban on rough sleeping.
Is anyone of these ministers considering a ban on rough sleeping?

Speaker 12 (36:34):
Not currently that I'm aware of what we're considering.

Speaker 3 (36:38):
Therefore, if you're not considering a ban, then they will
be allowed to rough sleep in the city center, weren't they.

Speaker 12 (36:43):
Well, it depends on what they're doing, and it's the
behaviors that we're focused on.

Speaker 3 (36:48):
Okay, so the good ones can rough sleep, but they
can't rough sleep if they're doing drugs and prostitution and
other weird stuff.

Speaker 12 (36:56):
Well, and that there's a whole whole issue of blocking
pay movements are intimidating people who come into stores.

Speaker 3 (37:03):
Are you telling me they're going to be allowed to
They're going to be allowed to rough sleep in the
city center as long as they tuck themselves nicely away
and keep quiet.

Speaker 12 (37:11):
I'm telling you. I'm telling you that that in terms
of what I'm focused on as Minister of Justice. It's
on dealing with anti social behavior. There are other ministers
looking at broader issues around homeless and on behalf of
all New Zealanders.

Speaker 3 (37:24):
We put enormous resources.

Speaker 12 (37:26):
Into trying to deal with the broader homeless issue, but
we still haven't got to the end. So we stand here.
We recognize that the situation we have in the CBD
at the moment is not good enough, and it's not
good enough for the people who live there and work
there and want to come and shop there and feel
sort of that they're in a welcoming and you know,
they feel safe, and that's what we're focused on, and

(37:48):
we're coming at it from all the different angles. We
haven't made any final decisions on some of these extra areas,
although we're already passed a lot of legislation around shoplifting
and a whole host of issues. At Dean we've also
put the extra police on the beat. We're focused on that.
So we've done a lot, but there's more to do,
and that there seems to be this big story that's
coming up around focusing on homelessness, and like I say,

(38:11):
we haven't made any decisions in that area at the moment,
but we're considering a whole range.

Speaker 3 (38:15):
Of things, and when will you be doing whatever it
is that you're doing.

Speaker 12 (38:19):
Well, Well, I can't give you an exact time on that.

Speaker 3 (38:23):
Better people don't want to muck around because, as you said,
don't want to muck aroundrecisely.

Speaker 12 (38:28):
And we want to improve the situation on the CBD.
And I think most people and who's listening in today
who've been into the CBD recently will say it's not good.

Speaker 3 (38:37):
We're all cheering you on, probably slightly disappointed that you're
going soft on this. Tell me you don't.

Speaker 12 (38:41):
We're not going soft at all. We're just we're just
we're just not trying to trying to get us ahead
of our decision making processes.

Speaker 3 (38:48):
We're working away, not even working on a band, Goldie Well.

Speaker 12 (38:53):
We're working on a lot of things that will make
a real difference. So I can't speak for other colleagues
in terms of the you know, the board range around homelessness.
In particular, what I'm focused on is anti social behavior
and that that's a huge area that we've got to
make progress on.

Speaker 3 (39:09):
Okay, Paul, thank you, Paul Goldsmith Justice Minister Clearer's mud
for hever duplicy Ellen unemployment, let's talk about that it
has hit five point three percent. This was of course expected.
It is now at its highest level since twenty sixteen.
Nick Brunsden is Informetric's principal economist and with us now,
hey Nick, hey, Heather, we hit the peak.

Speaker 23 (39:31):
We think we hit the peak. Yeah, so I did
creep up this quarter, but that was to be expected.
And we've got a few positive signs, a few very
small green shoots that might give us confidence that we
have at the peak.

Speaker 3 (39:42):
There is a feeling it might go up, just tick up,
just marginally in this quarter still to five point four.
Do you agree or disagree?

Speaker 23 (39:49):
I think it's possible, but I think we've got a
few We've had a number of good signs. We had
two or three months of job growth, We've had two
or three months of job ad growth. So there's signs
out there that things are gain better. And when we
look into the numbers today, we say that employers are
kind of holding on to staff, They're keeping their paid
hours up even if the work's not quite there, and
so that says that ultimately employers see see growth around

(40:11):
the corner.

Speaker 3 (40:12):
Yeah, there is also some talk of the fact that
it will sit at this kind of higher, this elevated
level for a but even possibly over five percent for
a while, like as in for another year.

Speaker 2 (40:22):
Do you agree, Yeah, I.

Speaker 23 (40:24):
Think something like that. Expected our forecasters for it to
four point six by the end of the next year.
And you know, that's not a low unemployment rate by
any means. It's still going to be pretty uncomfortable.

Speaker 3 (40:34):
And then when does it finally return to what we
would consider kind of normal levels.

Speaker 23 (40:39):
That could be two or three more years. I think
the thing is that we are starting to recover or
on the cusp of the recovery, but it's not going
to be a quick one. And so for those that
are in a job, it's quite a positive picture, and
for those that are not in a job, it's a
pretty ugly picture that it's going to take a while.

Speaker 3 (40:54):
What are you reading into that underutilization rate?

Speaker 23 (40:59):
I think that's what we're spect It is a tough
labor market, and people realize that they can't you know,
they're not going to get the hours that they want,
and it's going to be really hard to get the
job that they want, and so they are they are
struggling to get what they need out of the labor market.

Speaker 2 (41:12):
Ultimately.

Speaker 3 (41:12):
Yeah, hey, listen, thank you very much and I appreciate it.
Nick runs an infametrics principle economist. Heather, I just finished
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Speaker 3 (42:36):
Harden up Goldie? Is that the I don't Is that
the problem? I don't know. Let me think about what
the problem. There was a problem, it was a major problem.
I don't know what the problem is. I'll think about it.
We'll come back to that. And just to take first
of all, it's just deal with The New Zealand on air.
They've announced that they're setting up a YouTube account. This
is basically for New Zealand made kids content and basically
because it's because YouTube is where the kids are. New

(42:58):
Zealand on Airs research is telling them that two in
three kids between the ages of two and fourteen years
old what's YouTube? Every single day? Amy Mills is from
New Zealand on Air. Hi, Amy, Hi, hear that. How
much New Zealand kids content is there?

Speaker 19 (43:11):
There is a lot of New Zealand kids content. New
ZealandI has been funding kids content for the past twenty
plus years and so there's hundreds of episodes, and there's
current content that's up on local platforms that will also
live in YouTube. But there's also a lot of evergreen
content that can now have another life.

Speaker 3 (43:27):
Right, so you're checking it all up, right, it's going
to be squirred and what now and Susie Cato and everything.

Speaker 19 (43:32):
Yeah, we're carefully curating it and uploading it.

Speaker 3 (43:33):
Yeah, okay, why don't you just stick it on TV
and Z plus.

Speaker 19 (43:38):
Well, it's a great question. And the whole kind of
model that we're talking about at the moment is a
hybrid one. Like the idea that we keep going back
to is what's the research saying, and it's saying kids
are in this environment, we've got to look at options
for parents and kids. So there is content that it
does live both on TVNZ plus and on a YouTube
on coudogo. A good example would be something like toy Time,
which is a really big driver of used to TVNS

(44:00):
class that lives on the platform there, but then it's
also across the road on YouTube, and it does a
lot more on YouTube because it's got short form, cut
down episodes and a lot of bite sized content. So
we're trying to look at it as additive.

Speaker 2 (44:11):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (44:11):
I mean the fact that because some of your research
suggests that parents actually don't know where to find key
we made Key we Are Kids content, which suggests they
don't realize that TV and Z has got this stuff.
Is that what it tells you.

Speaker 19 (44:24):
I mean, I think that's right. I think that's fair.
You just look at the dominance of where parents are
gravitating towards for their kids content. You ask though, where
they think it should be, and they do say the
local platforms, And I think the stats something about forty
one percent of kids are accessing it via the local
TV channels and on the video on demand platforms. So
we still have to be there I think as they are.

Speaker 3 (44:42):
Yeah, but then what does it mean do we not
need to have a word to TV and Z about
how they're marketing this stuff and all the awesome stuff
they've got on TV and Z plus that most people
don't realize is there Isn't that actually kind of the problem.

Speaker 19 (44:56):
I think that the kids content one. It's hard, right,
I mean, we don't have a dedicated BBC or ABC
in New Zealand. TVNZ is a commercial broadcaster, so they're
struggling to survive alongside the other local platform. So I
think we're realistic about what they do. That's not really
our old to kind of comment on what they're doing
or not doing. But we're here saying we need to
make sure it's in as many places as it can be,
and so that's why we're doing this Codogo launch. In

(45:18):
terms of the channels on YouTube, Yeah.

Speaker 3 (45:19):
Amy, listen, thank you. That's fascinating. I appreciate it's Amy
Mills from New Zealand on air. Actually heaps more in
this researcher they've done to run you through that. When
I get a chance, zorin Man Dami is just doing
his victory speech at the moment because he's of course
won the New York City mayoral race. We're going to
go to Catherine Ferkin, who's based over there in about
fifteen minutes. Time to talk us through it. Next up, though,
let's deal with the police versus Stuff five two.

Speaker 2 (45:42):
Cutting through the noise to get the facts.

Speaker 1 (45:45):
It's Heather d for Clan Drive with one New Zealand
coverage like no one else news talks.

Speaker 2 (45:51):
There'd be all right.

Speaker 3 (45:51):
It is five twenty four.

Speaker 11 (45:53):
Now.

Speaker 3 (45:54):
Look, I'm baffled by the police commissioner writing that open
letter telling off Stuff today. You probably this thing when
it actually happened, which was back in September. But back
in September, in the week that Tom Phillips was shot
and the kids was safe from the bush, Stuff got
its hands on some of the audio of the police
chase and they published it and they got in trouble
with the coppers immediately, and then the cops started an
investigation into Stuff. Today, the police boss, Richard Chambers has

(46:17):
written an open letter in both main newspaper outlets as
in The Stuff Guys and the New Zealand Herald, saying
the police have decided not to charge Stuff, but don't
do this again. It's really really bad. Now. I cannot
explain to you why Richard Chambers thought this was a
good idea, because either way you look at this, this
is not a good look. I mean, it either looks
like he's trying to bully the media into being good

(46:39):
boys and girls, or he hasn't got the cahorns to
actually do the thing that he's threatened and just go
and prosecute stuff. But even what was even weirder about
it is I just don't think that this warranted the
copp Is getting disvexed about it. I mean, as I said,
you probably missed it when it happened because the audio
wasn't that interesting. It was like mildly informative because it
told us that the police officer who got shot was

(47:00):
alone and exposed like we suspected, and it showed how
we got in touch with various members of the community
locals to find out if they could hear Tom Phillips
on the quad bike so that he could track Tom
Phillips down. But really, other than that, it wasn't interesting
enough to draw public attention to it. Again, unless, of course,
you are trying to bully stuff. And while I think
this audio wasn't that interesting. I did find it refreshing

(47:22):
actually to have a media outlet be brave for once
and publish something that the authorities didn't want them to publish,
and tell the public something that the authorities didn't want
them to note, you know, basically doing their job. So
on the whole, I think I'm on the side of
stuff on this one, mainly because I don't like what
this looks like, which is the police trying to publicly
shame them for doing their job.

Speaker 2 (47:40):
Heather, do for see Alan, We'll talk to the.

Speaker 3 (47:42):
Huddle about this, Okay, So the texts are not The
texts are not kind to Paul Goldsmith. Heather Goldie needs
a testosterone implant. Heather Goldie, what a croc? Never heard
so much flip flop in all my born days. Hither
What the hell is the matter with people when they
get into Parliament and they can't answer a straightforward, bloody question.
I think I think the answer is this, they're not

(48:02):
working on a band. They do not plan, which is
what I think what we're all going, Yeah, your ban,
how great? No, No, they're not planning to do a ban.
What they're planning to basically do is not crack down
on rough sleepers, but crack down on the anti social behavior,
which actually is what he was saying, right, So they're
going to crack down on the use of drugs and
the peddling of drugs, and they're going to crack down
on people who shout at each other and shout at

(48:24):
people walking past and all of that kind of unpleasant stuff.
That's what they're going to move on because that's going
to be more palatable to you know, the Greens, because
the Greens can't you know, and Chippy Chippy can hardly
sit there going well, you know, it's totally fine to
have all the drugs being done in the city center.
So politically that's what's up. Yeah, and we all wanted
a band though, didn't we.

Speaker 1 (48:45):
News is next, hard questions, strong opinion here the duplicy
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mobile news dogs.

Speaker 2 (48:56):
They'd be.

Speaker 3 (49:03):
Like Simon Watts is going to be with us on
being a little bit shady about those changes he made
last night reclimate change. Here the can I please ask
that when you have Paul Goldsmith on that you give
him a chance to get his message out and not
talk over the top of him. He is illegal. They
always guard their words. And he's still a lot better
at communicating than Jeffrey Palmer. What a backhanded compliment, Jed.

(49:24):
Everybody's better at communicating than Jeffrey Palmer, aren't we. Twenty
three away from six, New York City has just elected
its youngest ever mayor. Democratic socialist Zoran Mandarmi has won
at the age of thirty four. Here he is speaking
just moments ago tonight.

Speaker 24 (49:39):
Against all odds, we have grasped it.

Speaker 2 (49:46):
The future is in our hands.

Speaker 9 (49:52):
My friends.

Speaker 24 (49:53):
We have toppled a political dynasty.

Speaker 3 (49:56):
Catherine Perkin is a US journalist in New York City
and with us now he.

Speaker 19 (50:01):
Hello, Hell, how are you.

Speaker 3 (50:02):
I'm very well mate, Good to talk to you again.
Now how are you seeing this? Is this a commentary
on Trump given how much Trump opposed them, or is
this just a democratic city electing a Democratic mayor.

Speaker 4 (50:14):
I think what we're seeing tonight is actually incredibly worrying
for Republicans. I mean, of course, New York is a
Democrat strong city, and we were never going to see
a Republican candidate Slee are elected. But the fact that
we have seen someone of Mandani's stance. You know, someone
who is really a polar opposite to Trump in almost
every way, someone who President Trump was actively campaigning against.

(50:38):
Really is quite a quite a show of the just
the resistance it's happening at the moment against President Trump.
I mean, we saw over two million New Yorkers turn
out for this election. And this these are only local elections.
They don't have to vote here. So the fact that
so many people felt motivated to come out and make
their voices heard in this fashion, I think it a

(51:00):
huge concern for Republicans.

Speaker 3 (51:02):
He has a list of some pretty radical and actually
probably very expensive things that he wants to get done.
How much of this will he actually realistically be able
to achieve?

Speaker 2 (51:13):
Wow?

Speaker 4 (51:13):
Well, this is the big question, isn't it, Heather. I mean,
he's made some pretty enormous promises, and they are promises
that I'm not surprised have really resonated with people. I mean,
cost of living in New York it is expensive. Paying
your rent is incredibly expensive. You know, everyone even expats
like myself, just you know, that's the number one thing
we all complain about. So you have someone like Mandani

(51:35):
coming in and saying, well, I'm going to be able
to freeze rents. I'm going to make childcare free. I mean,
childcare costs here are enormous. I'm going to make buses free.
You know, he's promising all these sorts of things, But
how much are we actually going to see happen? New
York taxes are already so high, they are so expensive,
we pay taxes on everything, it feels like, so I
just don't know how this is actually going to eventuate.

(51:57):
And if we are all lumped with more taxes, are
we going to be better off in the end. I
think that's the big question.

Speaker 3 (52:04):
Yeah, I mean the rent freezer. Off the list of
things that you have just outlined, what is the one
thing that he absolutely has to do for his own credibility?

Speaker 4 (52:14):
Well, I mean I think he has to He has
to freeze rent and he has to make childcare free,
because those are the things. When I was talking to
voters they kept coming back to and saying, well, hey,
if this happens, this will be incredible, because, I mean,
childca here is astronomical. I have two little kids of
my own, and I can't afford to send them to
a childcare. They're with me most of the time and
our rent is just phenomenal. But how on earth is

(52:36):
he actually going to do this? We really haven't been
given any detail, Heather, on how this is going to work.
I mean, are we all just going to be suddenly
paying these massive taxes or is he going to have
to sort of backtrack? What I think is going to happen.
And this is purely my speculation is that we're going
to see rent freezers only you know, perhaps in income

(52:57):
based scenarios, so perhaps only if you're owning below a
certain amount, or only in designated areas. I really don't
think we're going to suddenly see rank prices drop in
New York. Perhaps I'm too skeptical, but I just don't
see how on earth that's going to suddenly come about.

Speaker 3 (53:12):
Catherine, thanks very much, mate, Look after yourself. Catherin ferk
and US journalist in New York. It's coming up twenty away.

Speaker 1 (53:17):
From six The Huddle with New Zealand Southeby's International Realty,
the global leader in luxury real estate.

Speaker 3 (53:24):
On the Huddle of US this evening, we have Liam Here,
political commentator and lawyer, and Jack Tame, host of Q
and A and Saturday Mornings on z B high lads,
Good evening, Liam. You been following this race in New York?

Speaker 25 (53:36):
Are only tangentially of course, I mean we all like
to watch American politics. It's a bit removed. But yeah,
like I'm going to probably a little bit less reading,
a little bit less into a New York voting for
the Democrat candidate. Then you're anti journal as well.

Speaker 3 (53:55):
Do you not see those huge disappointment coming for his
voters given what Catherine said? But then potentially maybe that
doesn't matter because maybe like Trump, he it's what he
represents rather than what he delivers.

Speaker 1 (54:06):
This.

Speaker 25 (54:06):
Yeah, I think that's right. You know, this is the
era of politics we've moved into. Politics is more like
professional wrestling than it is a statesmanship. You know, like
we all know that it's fake. It's performative.

Speaker 8 (54:17):
Yeah, yeah, what.

Speaker 3 (54:18):
Would you agree with?

Speaker 9 (54:19):
Jack?

Speaker 26 (54:20):
Yeah, it's also like just a repudiation of status quo,
a like it's actually in the same way that there
was there were kind of a lot of things between
Bernie Sanders and Donald Trump that were comparable I think
with Mandani and Donald Trump. There are too just a
lot of his supporters like, you know, what, the system
is screwing me I'm sick of this.

Speaker 2 (54:36):
I'm going to vote for a candidate who's going to
blow up the system.

Speaker 3 (54:38):
Yeah, fair point, Like Donald Trump is the is the
anti system guy, and Mam Damie is the anti Donald
Trump guy, and it just keeps going around around.

Speaker 6 (54:45):
Liam.

Speaker 3 (54:46):
Doesn't sound to you like the government is working on something,
but it's not a ban on rough sleepers, and it's
more like a ban on their bad behavior.

Speaker 25 (54:54):
Yeah, well, I mean you can't actually ban people for
being homeless and they don't have a home to go to,
and any you shouldn't either, right, It's you shouldn't penalize
people for being poor, but you can always penalize people,
or you can always have expectations for everyone about what
they actually do. And and you know, it's a hard

(55:15):
one for me, Like I try to think, you know what,
what does what does Christian compassion look like in this
sort of scenario. But at the same time, compassion doesn't mean,
you know, putting up with the civic squalor that's not
compassionate to anybody. It makes everything more difficult, including for
those who are sleeping ruugh through through the unavoidable need.

(55:36):
What it would sucking though, is that you know, if
you if you are going to go down this route
of punishing that behavior, you actually do need an outlet
to move people along to that it's not prison. And
you know, I think the fact that we have to
do this is just this huge validation of the idea
that actually the institutionalization of of of mental health and

(55:58):
addiction it's just a complete failure, you know, And so
you need to have those alternatives. But those alternatives might
not be as nice as we like.

Speaker 3 (56:06):
Yeah, I mean, it ultimately does end up no matter
whether you call it jack, a ban on homelessness or
a band on their behavior, it ends up with the
same point, which is that you move them along. And
where do you move them along?

Speaker 11 (56:16):
Too?

Speaker 2 (56:17):
Yeah?

Speaker 25 (56:18):
Yeah, And that's a tricky question.

Speaker 26 (56:19):
I mean, if I was a business owner and the
CBD and you saw all this antisocial behavior outside your door,
you would just be so frustrated by it, wouldn't you, like,
as compassionate as you tried to be, it would drive
you absolutely nuts. But you know, the police officers I
know certainly don't want to be spending their time going
and moving rough sleepers off the street. And you know,
as far as I'm concerned, the threat of punishment probably

(56:42):
isn't going to be a big motivating factor. If you're
the kind of person who is sadly living your life
like that, the threat of getting a conviction or a
couple of nights in the cells or something like that
probably isn't going to move you along. I reckon maybe
there's some alternative vision whereby if we are able to
better support, like quite big intervention services to go and
support these people are moving away from the CBD, then

(57:05):
that might be the best option as opposed to just
a slap on the rid.

Speaker 3 (57:08):
Now here's a question though. Okay, so Liam, if what
we're going to do is crack down on their anti
social behavior and their drug taking and stuff, why aren't
we doing that already?

Speaker 25 (57:17):
Because it's not the current fashion. It's not the current
mode of looking at things. I mean, you know, not
to be too contentious, but I really I I don't
agree with my good friend Jack here about the idea
that actually what's needed is its more intensive welfare state,
because I think that actually people can, given their behavior
and the standards that people live in, the environment that

(57:39):
people live in, will actually you know, influence what they
perceived to be acceptable behavior. Or not, and the reaches
the point where you have the amount of squalor and
the lack of safety that sets the default right, It
sets the expected standard of behavior so low that it
sort of feeds on itself and it creates itself. So,

(58:00):
like I said, I do think that actually, you know,
people will for self correct to an extent, and for
those who genuinely can't, it's not necessarily you know, an
unproven intervention in their lives to live their lives for them,
but it might be a return to more psychiatric care,
in more sort of FODI or care for people who

(58:23):
genuinely can't look at for themselves rather than just living
them freeze and endorse them.

Speaker 3 (58:29):
You want to say anything here.

Speaker 26 (58:31):
No, I mean yeah, I just think that if you're
I just think it's not a motivator. I just think
that's saying, hey, we're going to punish you for being outside,
isn't motivator. And if you look at something like the
Housing First program, which basically says the number one thing
you can do to the kind of person who is
living on the streets or taking drugs on the streets
is actually give them a dependable roof over their head.

(58:52):
Every night, so they know they don't have to do that.
They know they have a safe place to go to.
That is basically the most effective way you can try
an into vene and set them on a better path
in life. And so I think something like that is
a better option.

Speaker 3 (59:03):
All right, we'll take a break. Come back shortly quarter.

Speaker 1 (59:05):
Two the Huddle with New Zealand Southeby's International Realty. Find
your one of a kind.

Speaker 3 (59:11):
Write you back with a huddle, Jack, tam Liam Here, Jack,
what did you make of the police boss writing this
opinion piece on stuff?

Speaker 26 (59:18):
Yeah, First of all, good call not to prosecute them
in any way. I didn't think it was a great
call to publish that audio. I think there were alternative
options available, even just publishing a transcript with a better option.
That being said, I do have some sympathy for journos
who feel like there is a possibility that actually not

(59:39):
insufficient scrutiny is going to be placed on the police
about their decision making throughout the whole case. So I
got some sympathy there. And finally, I'd say that if
you're cracking down on the traditional mainstream media for their
reporting of this, where's the crackdown on the social media platforms.
I mean, yeah, these are the companies acting with real
impunity where all of this provision information goes up online,

(01:00:01):
all of this misinformation. So with the crackdown on.

Speaker 3 (01:00:03):
That, yeah, Liam, it's strung. It feels to me like
Richard Chambers is doing is creating the striis in effect,
we're the very thing that he doesn't want us to
listen to and talk about. He's just directed us to
again when he could have just.

Speaker 2 (01:00:13):
Let it go.

Speaker 25 (01:00:15):
Yeah, I really questioned the prudence of commenting on it.
You know, I get the fact that, you know, you
might want to make clear that you know you haven't
done anything, but that's not because you are indifferent to
the law and you've made a reason decision not to
practice it in this case while getting a warning out there.
But you know the fact is that when you do
anything like this, it drifts, it drifts into theater, right

(01:00:39):
you know, it's it's it's keeping it in the news,
it's and and it's drawing attention to the fact that actually,
you know, the police have a discretion to to exercise yes,
but they're doing it inconsistently, right or they're set they're
creating precedence, and when they might do it again, you're

(01:01:01):
actually better off just if you're not going to do it,
to say nothing, or to say as little as possible,
rather than to tip your hand to it. Because I've really,
I've taken away a lot of the effectness of the law.

Speaker 10 (01:01:09):
I think.

Speaker 3 (01:01:10):
Yeah, I think it's fair all right, now, Jack, do
you think that if do you think that if Nick
Kurios beat Saberlenka that it is damaging to women's sport
and demeaning.

Speaker 26 (01:01:23):
No, No, I think it's ludiper. I love a bit
of a battle of the sexes from time to time,
Like I love when the when the Silver Ferns played
the men's team, and I think back in the day,
like Susan Devoy played her husband, it was just for
a bit of fun.

Speaker 25 (01:01:38):
It's great.

Speaker 3 (01:01:39):
Yeah, I don't have a problem with it.

Speaker 11 (01:01:40):
Liam.

Speaker 3 (01:01:40):
I live in the in the real world where Nick Kurios,
even though he's flabby and unfit, could probably beat her.

Speaker 25 (01:01:48):
Yeah, I mean, it's a it's a reality check a
little bit. I mean, and I don't mean that in
an overly negative way. And I remember when I was
a kid, I've watching tennis in the ninety eight cast
and Brash played the Williams sisters and that you know,
and he was two and eighths in the world and
he beat them six one, six two, smoking while he
was playing. And the lesson. The lesson wasn't the Williams

(01:02:11):
sisters weren't amazing. They were The lesson is just a
different game, right, It's a women's tennis and men's senis
a different games. And I like watching women's tennis. As
I always say to my wife, it's not for the
reason you're thinking of. It's because the rallies are longer,
and you know, there's more baseline play. It's just it's
a different game. And it's not the worst thing that
world to be reminded of that from time to time.

Speaker 3 (01:02:31):
That's a fair point.

Speaker 26 (01:02:31):
And it's just a bit of fun.

Speaker 3 (01:02:33):
Oh can make things too serious. Hey Jack, how do
you feel about this idea of the government overruling the
council rules in Auckland and adding to Eden Park's concerts.

Speaker 26 (01:02:43):
Well, I think if eden Park is going to be
the big stadium, then it has to be allowed to
have big and medium sized concerts, as simple as that.
I live close enough to eden Park that when they
have a big concert.

Speaker 25 (01:02:54):
I can hear it.

Speaker 26 (01:02:55):
I think if I was on night eleven of a
fifteen night Metallica extravaganza and they were playing to midnight
every night, I beginning. Do you know I'm not I'm
actually more of a system of a down guy. Yeah, yeah,
but no, I honestly think that's it. If Eden Park
is going to be the stadium, it has to be

(01:03:16):
allowed to have the concert.

Speaker 3 (01:03:17):
Yeah, would you come up for Metallica?

Speaker 25 (01:03:18):
Liam, I'm not a metallic and you know that's not me.
But can I just say I am very in favor
of the move simply because Helena and Clark blocked me
on Twitter and like, sorry, any anything then nothing, I
can't you know, I probably might. I probably gave a
very reasonable and correct critique of one of her tweets

(01:03:41):
and I got blocked for it. So anything that annoys
her I'm now in favor of.

Speaker 3 (01:03:47):
So so she's the anti Eden Park and you're the
anti Helen.

Speaker 25 (01:03:52):
Now, yeah, I think there should be forty major conscerts
a year down.

Speaker 3 (01:03:57):
Yeah, I'm down with that, guys, Thanks very much. Liam, Here, Jack,
tame Hardle. This evening, I'm going to Metallica. Oh, I'm
not going alone. The girls are going. It's our first. Yeah,
the girls are going to Metallica. We've just got haven't
We just packed our calendar for the concert club seven
away from six.

Speaker 1 (01:04:11):
It's the Heather Duper see allan Drive Full Show podcast
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Speaker 3 (01:04:19):
Heather is Helen Clark going to Metallica?

Speaker 15 (01:04:21):
Do you know what?

Speaker 3 (01:04:22):
Probably not? But don't you just think that there's she's
a dark horse. There would be like if she did
turn up at Metallica that you just be like, there
would be a part of you that wasn't surprised. Herether
Helen Clark has blocked me too due to her due
to my critique of her tweets. She blocks En mass
stays in her own little bubble hates supposing views. I've
got a lot of love for Helen, so I didn't

(01:04:43):
like reading that out.

Speaker 1 (01:04:45):
Now.

Speaker 3 (01:04:45):
I don't know if you know this about Mandarmi, but
he used to be a rapper. In fact, you would
know this if you listen to the show, because we
have told you this before. He used to be a
rapper and his stage was mister Cardman. And this is
her song Nanny for.

Speaker 10 (01:04:57):
You for you.

Speaker 9 (01:05:01):
For you.

Speaker 2 (01:05:04):
There is the money handsome men of the Band of
Hunger Husbands, Damn sarfter Felt.

Speaker 3 (01:05:13):
I mean it's not that bad, eh. Like when I
heard that the first time, I was like, I kind
of like this weirdness whisper rapp or whatever it is.
I'm into it.

Speaker 2 (01:05:22):
Do you want to hear it again?

Speaker 3 (01:05:23):
Play it later on?

Speaker 9 (01:05:25):
Here?

Speaker 3 (01:05:25):
The get real? Why are you spending so much time
talking about this non band on homeless people? Nothing will
really change. It's just a sound bite for those And
isn't that that is? That's why I'm irritated by it
because the government like so now everybody's reporting Gamnan is
confirmed it's doing a ban on homeless people.

Speaker 21 (01:05:39):
It's not so.

Speaker 3 (01:05:40):
Now it's going to cop all the heat from the
lefties who hate this, while actually disappointing everybody who does
want who do want a ban? So anyway, this is
this is where they find themselves. Now, what was I
going to tell you about, Beatie?

Speaker 9 (01:05:52):
What is it?

Speaker 3 (01:05:53):
Milford? Oh, yes, that's what they're talking about. I've got
to tell you about this. Do you remember the Big
Short Movie? Remember the guy in the Big Short Movie,
The central character played by Christian Bale what's his it?
Mike Burray? Thank you at Mike Burry has just taken
a bet on a AI stock, Paalanter and an Nvidia.
He's put it's not a small amount of money, mate,

(01:06:13):
two billion dollars against it. So this is making people
freak out, do we But like, what is he seeing
that we're not seeing?

Speaker 22 (01:06:20):
It?

Speaker 3 (01:06:20):
Is the bubble about to burst and stuff? So milfon
Acid Management will talk us through this absolutely fascinating development. Next,
oh ahort me Simon Watts is next? Is you an Metallica.

Speaker 2 (01:06:39):
Keeping track of where the money is flowing?

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The Business Hour with Heather Duplicyle and Mass for insurance
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Speaker 2 (01:06:50):
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Speaker 3 (01:06:52):
Even coming up in the next hour Genative trainee on
Adrian or threatening legal action and house prices being at
the upper end of sustainable. Milford Asset Management on the
big shorts take on the AI stock value and Gavin
Gray will be with us out of the UK and
we'll definitely talk about the BBC right now at a
seven past six. Now, climate Change Minister Simon Watts has
made quite significant changes to our climate laws. The emissions

(01:07:14):
trading scheme no longer has to align with the Paris Agreement,
the public service doesn't have to be carbon neutral until
twenty fifty, and the Climate Change Commission will no longer
produce a draft emission's reduction plan for the government. And
Simon Watson is with us now, Hi, Simon, Hey, good evening, Heather.
Now why have you decided to decouple the ETS from
the Paris Agreement.

Speaker 11 (01:07:34):
Well, first and foremost, the ETS deals with domestic commissions.
The Paris Agreement deals with international and so we've simply
just made the change which reflects the reality of how
the ETS works, focus on domestic emissions reduction.

Speaker 2 (01:07:49):
And does it also allow for you?

Speaker 3 (01:07:51):
Is it not also practically now allowing you to be
able to buy offshore credits rather than having to reduce
your domestic emissions.

Speaker 11 (01:07:59):
It has nothing to do with that. And just for
the record, I think we've talked about that before. The
Government doesn't have any plans in play at the moment
to do that. Right now, we're focusing on domestic emissions
reduction as the priority.

Speaker 3 (01:08:13):
What's happened to the carbon price today as a result of.

Speaker 11 (01:08:15):
This, Look, I haven't seen the latest number in terms
of closing, and I don't comment on the price in
the market, but look there's been you know, my price
goes up and down like any market.

Speaker 3 (01:08:26):
And so does it fallen today?

Speaker 11 (01:08:30):
I haven't got the latest numbers. It was some change
this morning, but in terms of this afternoon, my understanding
it's firmed up a little bit.

Speaker 3 (01:08:37):
Oh okay, So how much did it fall by this morning?

Speaker 2 (01:08:41):
I don't hear that.

Speaker 11 (01:08:42):
I don't comment on the broader price.

Speaker 3 (01:08:44):
Can tell us. I'm not asking you for your take
on I'm just asking you what you saw.

Speaker 11 (01:08:48):
My understanding is that it's softened this morning and has
then recovered back up. So I think my understanding from
what I heard, it was about ten percent.

Speaker 3 (01:08:56):
Down on the day, and the anyway about the ETAs
another day. Now, why did you push out the public
service carbon neutrality from this year to twenty fifty?

Speaker 11 (01:09:06):
Oh yeah, I mean, Look, to be fair, there is
a huge amount of process and bureaucracy that's in play
with the Climate Change Response Act. From a public sector
point of view, everyone's focusing on twenty fifty. The last
government put in this objective to have them neutral by
twenty twenty five. That's not realistic. Our priority across the

(01:09:26):
public service is getting them focused on delivering good public
services for less money.

Speaker 3 (01:09:32):
Far off being carbon neutral. Were they like, was it
within touch or was it just miles away?

Speaker 22 (01:09:38):
Oh?

Speaker 11 (01:09:38):
Look, there's some parts of the sector, you know, you
think about all the coal burners and that in hospitals
and schools. You know, they've got quite a bit of
work to do in that space. But also some of
it's just not realistic or feasible right here right now.
And like, as a government, we want them focused on
core public service delivery. And I've given them to twenty
fifty because guess what everyone else in the country is

(01:10:00):
targeting that deadline as well.

Speaker 3 (01:10:01):
So okay, why sideline the Climate Change Commission? If we've
got a climate change commission, why sideline it? Why not
just get rid of the thing altogether?

Speaker 11 (01:10:10):
Oh look, there's been quite a few on the left
that have said that, and I don't sure. What we
did have and play is that we've got duplication. I
do a process to consult on my plan and the
Climate Change Commission exactly the same time consults on their plan,
and it ends up just being you know, duplication and
the waste of effort. I've said, look, you guys don't.

Speaker 2 (01:10:32):
Need to do that.

Speaker 11 (01:10:33):
I'll consult with the public. And by the way you
use that time and capacity to spend on other aspects.
There's a lot of duplication in this process. I'll tell
you there's a lot of bureaucracy as well. And I'm
just taking a clean look at it and going, look,
let's cut a whole lot of the stuff out that's
not adding value because guess what, you know, we can't
afford to be wasting money on stuff that we don't

(01:10:55):
need to be doing.

Speaker 3 (01:10:55):
Fair enough, now, all of the stuff is defendable. So
why were you a bit shady about it last night?
Why pop it up on the beehive website and not
send the press release out to everybody like you always do?

Speaker 11 (01:11:06):
Oh here there, I'm not being there's nothing shady about this.
The market closes at eight o'clock. Because the stuff is
considered market sensitive, I'm not allowed to release it until
the market closers.

Speaker 2 (01:11:17):
We sent it out.

Speaker 11 (01:11:18):
We sent it out to a select number of that's.

Speaker 2 (01:11:21):
My questions topic.

Speaker 3 (01:11:23):
Did you send it out to everyone?

Speaker 11 (01:11:25):
Look, we sent it out, It was put on the
public on the Beehive. I'm not trying to hide anything here.
I get a lot of hassles, just so you know,
on people going. Were you sending out too many people?

Speaker 3 (01:11:34):
Come on, come off, if I listen. If I was
your press secretary, I would have said to you now, minister,
I will make sure.

Speaker 11 (01:11:42):
You get it next time here will everyone?

Speaker 3 (01:11:44):
Because I would have I would have said, because I mean,
it's not that I really care, but because I would
have said to you, send it out to everyone. Otherwise
you're going to be accused like you are today buy
stuff of being a bit weird and shady. So we
guys got run that.

Speaker 11 (01:11:58):
We signaled the inta clearly to the market participants, We
sent the information out and the official announcement was also
on all the websites and all that.

Speaker 3 (01:12:07):
So not a big issue here. You just defended. I mean,
you've got good ground here, right, Thank you, Simon, appreciate
your time as always, Simon, what's the climate change? Minister?
I'm going to be honest with you. It wasn't trying.
It was no gotcha there. I was literally just trying
to get him to do my work for me. But
then he wasn't going to do my work for me,
so I did the work so well, actually, I'm not
even gonna lie. Laura did the work. So Laura looked

(01:12:29):
it up. So here's what happened with the carbon price.
It went down twenty percent and then it recut. There
was at the start of day, then it recovered and
now it's down ten percent. So I won't be doing
a shortcut like that again anytime soon. Thirteen past six
either duplusy Ellen. Reddit has just been added today to
the list of the social media platforms that the Australians
are going to ban for kids having an access to

(01:12:50):
when this kicks, having access to when this kicks, and
it's kicking in by the way, in about five weeks
time to keep an eye out for that. They've added
read it. They've also added something called Kick, which is
a live streaming platform. That makes nine that will now
be banned Reddit, Kick, Facebook x, Snapchat, techtok, YouTube, Instagram,
and threads. Actually, that reminds me, geez, if they banned

(01:13:10):
YouTube and New Zealand, there were a whole bunch of
kids under the age of fourteen who'd freak out because
they love using it. Before the end of this program,
I'm going to get you some of the numbers of
the kids who are on YouTube. Next up, though, let's
deal with Milford Asset Management. News Dog ZBB.

Speaker 1 (01:13:24):
It's the Heather Duper c Allen Drive Full Show podcast
on my Heart Radio empowered by news Dog Zebbie.

Speaker 3 (01:13:32):
Right, this is this is the update on Adrian Or today.
Adrian was apparently taking legal action or maybe has taken
the extent of the legal action he was going to.
He's got Michael here and k C as his lawyer
with regards to an article that was written by Michael
Riddell which he reckons as defamatory. Now, if you followed
you know the adrianaw story and the Michael Riddell story,
you know Michael Riddell's basically been his fiercest critic and

(01:13:52):
has actually done a lot of the work on Adrian
or what Michael Riddell as in like uncovered what happened there.
So Michael Riddell's thing appeared on his blog, but it
also appeared on a London based news publication called Central
Banking here and got in touch with them, gave them
five days to take it down, which they both have
neither apologized like they asked him to. So we'll catch

(01:14:14):
up with gennative chariny on that in about twenty minutes time,
and just get the low down at seventeen past.

Speaker 2 (01:14:18):
Six, Heather Dust, Jeremy hasn't.

Speaker 3 (01:14:21):
Nol fit Asset management is with me, Hello, Jeremy.

Speaker 20 (01:14:24):
Good evening, Heather.

Speaker 3 (01:14:25):
So a bit of a fall in the US share
market overnight? What happened?

Speaker 20 (01:14:29):
Yeah, just a short reminder that markets just don't go
up in a straight line. But yeah, short, sharp two
percent drop in the Nasdaq overnight, but just highlighting it's
still been a very strong year. But overnight, yeah, there
was the lead market was led down by two market darlings.
This was Pellanter down nine percent in the chip behemoth

(01:14:51):
and Video down three and a half. And it looks
like it was driven by a short bet in both
these names that was disclosed by an investor called Michael Burry.
Now putting a shortbit in is that you're expecting these
stocks to fall and Bury he's a regionally famous investor
who shorted the US housing markets just before the GFC
crash in two thousand and nine, and you know that

(01:15:13):
led to the famous movie The Big Short. But you know,
it is just one man's view, one participant's view, and
one shift down on the day. But you know, we'll
just have to see how this plays out and if
there's any trend here.

Speaker 3 (01:15:25):
Yeah, but I mean it is possible that there are
a few other risks that are popping into investors' minds, right, yeah, potentially.

Speaker 20 (01:15:31):
I mean, we have just gone through a reasonably catalyst
rich period where you know, we had the third quarter
earnings of a lot of these big tech and AI
companies and once more, they did report really strong numbers,
and the markets just continued to rally as it has
over over the year as well. And you know, the
strip feeding of positive AI spend and deals and announcements

(01:15:53):
has helped this. But you know, there are a few
reminders of risks out there still. You know, the US
government shutdown that's nearing the longest ever. The China US
deal or trade agreement was pretty lukewarm, pretty light on detail,
so you know, maybe not cooling the trade war at all.
And then you know, you had this Bury news last night,
and then some other Wall Street executives too, just calling

(01:16:14):
or just warning of a potential AI bubble. And then
and then finally, you know, market valuations there are very
high verse history at the moment, so you don't need
much negative news for a short shart pullback.

Speaker 3 (01:16:25):
Here in New Zealand, we're seeing some green shoots out.
We got the Freightways in the ports of Toating, they're
having quite strong updates.

Speaker 20 (01:16:31):
Yeah, that's right back in New Zealand. So starting with
starting with Freightways. You know, Freightways is a career and
delivery company, so it is it is generally seen as
a really good bell weather for local activity in New Zealand,
and they had a strong update last week at their
AGM there. Their first quarter profits are up around twenty
percent versus last year, and importantly they're seeing volumes or

(01:16:52):
same customer volumes starting to grow versus last year. So
that's that's pretty clear that there's some cyclical recovery coming
through there. And then Portaturing yeah, also you know their
first guidance in there for the year and then their
first quarter volume update again looking for mid to low
teens profit growth, and then their volumes are up nine percent.

(01:17:13):
And we know exports are very strong at the moment dairy, kiwi,
fruit and the like, but there's also bound to be
some really good import growth coming through there, so potentially
that's consumers bringing in some more goods and feeling a
bit better. So yeah, another couple of data points there
showing that, you know, hopefully we're through the worst of
the economics cycle here in New Zealand.

Speaker 3 (01:17:33):
Yeah, good stuff. Jeremy always good to talk to you.
Thank you mate. That's Jeremy Hutton, Milford Asset Management. I
thought that we might be able to get through this
entire period without this coming up, but no, it came up,
not because of Kathy's text, but because of Winnie. Heather,
go Winnie in New Zealand. First, how do we sign
the private fireworks band in for once and for all.

(01:17:54):
Stop this ridiculous celebration every year. Thank you, Kathy. I
don't know if you've seen it. I try to ignore it. Yes,
today Winston Peters announced that he wants to ban private
firework sales. Here's the thing. If Winston actually wanted to
ban them and didn't want to just you know, make
people like Kathy get excited that he's going to ban them,
he would ban them because he's in a thing called
government and they have the ability to do that. And

(01:18:15):
the fact that he's what is it, it's a private
members bill, isn't it, Laura. Yeah, it's a private members
but no private members bill is when they do that
thing to make you think they're doing something but they're
not actually doing something, but it gets you excited and
makes you think that, which is enough for Winston. He's like,
they think I'm going to do something, he ain't going
to do anything. And in any case, I don't isn't

(01:18:36):
for some reason this year. I mean, look, I might
swing wildly from year to year. I feel like last
year I wanted it banned. In this year I don't care.
But this year I really don't care. It really hasn't
been that offensive. Has it been that offensive that hardly
hurt a single firework? Maybe I heard a couple pop
off the other day and that was the end of that.
I'm just not that exercise. This year six twenty two.

Speaker 1 (01:18:55):
Everything from SMS to the big corporates, The Business Hour
with heavy Sellen banned Mass for insurance investments and uya,
you're in good hands.

Speaker 3 (01:19:06):
News talks env my gosh, speak of the devil as
we were talking about it. In fact, just after we
were talking about it, stuff just sent an alert to
my phone saying, and the headline is Winston Peters says
banning fireworks will be a bottom line and coalition negotiations whatever.

Speaker 2 (01:19:21):
No, they weren't.

Speaker 3 (01:19:22):
What a load of jeezy stringing this nonsense?

Speaker 2 (01:19:25):
Long, isn't he?

Speaker 3 (01:19:26):
Can you imagine the imagine Winston going no, I'm not no,
I'm not going to i don't want to be in
government because you absolutely refused to ban sparklers and I
hate sparklers. So I'm sitting this one out. You go
for it, acton and national I won't be doing that
on account of the Roman candles or whatever. Whatever. There's
a report out today on sick days which points out

(01:19:49):
that we are now taking more sick days in this
country because we have more sick days, right, because you
remember labor just send them double the number of sick
days that we're entitled to. It was three years ago
as five and a half sick days that we were taken.
A year now it's jumped up to six point seven.
I'm not really surprised by that, because I mean, you
could argue that the reason that we were given more
sick days is because we needed more sick days. We

(01:20:10):
clearly did if we're taking five and a half when
we only had five, so we clearly needed more. So
the fact that we are then using our now new
allocation is not a surprise. However, let me points you
to the public service government workers took an average of
nearly two more sick days than people who work for
private employers, with an average of six point five for

(01:20:32):
the private sector and eight point four for workers in
public sector organizations. What are surprised to hear that there
are more days of leave being taken by the public
sector workers than the rest of us six twenty six.

Speaker 2 (01:20:48):
There's no business like show business.

Speaker 3 (01:20:53):
Kinkardashian reality TV star, entrepreneur, lawyer now an actress. She
is starring in the new show. It's made by Ryan Murphy.
This is the guy who made Glee American horror show
The Jeffrey Darmer Show on Netflix. The show is called
All's Fair and it follows a group of female divorce
lawyers trying to screw each other over.

Speaker 22 (01:21:11):
We got married when I miss I'm still an undercrowd.

Speaker 19 (01:21:14):
We were in all it was.

Speaker 2 (01:21:15):
All perfect except for this one small thing.

Speaker 23 (01:21:20):
I trusted it with men.

Speaker 3 (01:21:22):
They are terrified of women in power. The show also
stars Glenn Close, Naomi Watts, Sarah Paulson and Nissi Nash,
Which sounds great, right like Glenn Coos, Naomi Watts. That's
a good Camcay, that's a good cast. No, not at all.
The reviews have just dropped. It's got zero percent on

(01:21:42):
rockton Tomatoes. Audiences have given it a two point four
out of ten on Metacritic. The Times Ben Dowell says
it might be the worst show of the year. The Telegraph, No,
it gets worse. The Telegraph's ed powers is the show
is a crime against television. But if, like our lovely
Sam the producer, you are determined not to believe this,

(01:22:06):
and you want to do your own research and form
your own opinion. The first three episodes of the show
are on Disney Plus Now and Sam's advices run don't walk.

Speaker 14 (01:22:21):
Up to you.

Speaker 3 (01:22:22):
I'm just warning you. It sounds like a load of shite,
doesn't it. Gnative Charaney, don't take my word for it,
take the word at everybody else. Gnative Chariney's with us.

Speaker 11 (01:22:32):
Next she.

Speaker 2 (01:22:37):
I'm gonna buy a nose. Let her ride in the
forum in me. Oh, share the honorable bake. If it's
to do with money, it matters to you.

Speaker 1 (01:22:51):
The Business Hour with Heather dup Clan and MAS for
Insurance Investments and Julie Saber and you're in good hands.

Speaker 2 (01:23:01):
Could you're taking me.

Speaker 6 (01:23:06):
What did you name?

Speaker 3 (01:23:10):
We're going to have Gavin Gray out of the UK
and ten minutes time get him to talk us through
this BBC bias problem and just put it, put it
in context, like how big is this? Because Enda thinks
it's an enormous deal, but then we actually Offenda says
it's an enormous deal, it probably isn't an enormous deal.
Hither if anyone ever wanted the definition of an oxymoron,
how could you possibly go past the public service? Who

(01:23:33):
excellent point is that when you get into the public service,
the last thing you do is actually try to serve
the public. What you're trying to do is work from
home and take sick leave. Twenty four away from seven
Jane Tip Cheriney, the Herald's Wellington Business editors with us.
Hello Janey, Hi, Heather. Okay, So now that now that
Michael Riddell has taken the blog down and got it
unpublished from the London based outfit, is that the end

(01:23:54):
of the legal action from Adrian.

Speaker 22 (01:23:55):
Or it would appear so so Adrian Or wasn't very
happy with Michael Riddell. He's a former Reserve Bank staffer.
He's had a long history work for the Treasury of
the IMF. Michael has been a long standing critic of
the Reserve Bank and he has this blog which all
the nerdy insiders read, and he has been meticulously doing

(01:24:17):
official information at requests and documenting the saga around Adrian
Or also criticizing the Reserve Bank's policymaking. So it would
appear that Adrian had enough, but he definitely didn't like
an article that Michael wrote for a central banking London
based magazine got Michael here and case on the case

(01:24:37):
came in with a big threat and the article was
taken down. So interestingly, the Reserve Bank also complained to
the London based publication. Its lawyer came down super hard.
It's just actually released just this afternoon a letter under
the Official Information Act, you know, showing exactly what the

(01:24:59):
Reserve Bank lawyers. He came down very strongly. So between
the KC and the Reserve Bank, the Central Banking magazine
took the thing down.

Speaker 3 (01:25:10):
Have you read the article?

Speaker 22 (01:25:13):
I have, because Michael Riddell had it on his blog
for a time, and I did catch it.

Speaker 3 (01:25:19):
Did so spot the old mistakes.

Speaker 22 (01:25:22):
Basically Michael documented he basically wrote about a lot of
what he had previously written about in his blog. So
there was nothing that people haven't sort of heard before.
Nothing hasn't been discussed in circles before. But you know,
you have to be very careful when you do make allegations,

(01:25:43):
and and you know, so I suppose I won't pass
judgment on whether it was defamatory. But there wasn't any
sort of anything in there that hasn't been discussed in
Michael's blogs.

Speaker 3 (01:25:54):
In the past. Okay, now, the Reserve Bank released its
Financial Stability Report. What are they worried about?

Speaker 22 (01:26:01):
Yeah, so for once, they're not that worried about the
property market. So they note that house prices are at
the upper end of sustainable. Of course, they've come down
a lot since they peaked in twenty twenty one. The
Reserve Bank thinks new lending isn't too risky, but what
it is worried about is the equity market. So it
says that there could be vulnerabilities below the recovery that

(01:26:25):
we've seen since Donald Trump announced as his tariffs. It
particularly notes you know, things could turn if investors start
to get worried about those highly valued tech and AI stocks.
You know, those are arguably overvalued. There's a lot of
talk about those being a bubble. The Bank is also
worried about health insurance. So people have noticed that their

(01:26:45):
health insurance premiums have gone up by nineteen percent over
the past year, which is huge. The bank, you know,
notes that health insurers are dealing with cost increases in
the health sector and is sort of keeping a close
eye on them books. So that's a bit unfortunate because
just as those home insurance premiums stopped rising super rapidly,

(01:27:08):
now we have health insurance going up.

Speaker 3 (01:27:10):
Now, how does health insurance affect financial stability?

Speaker 22 (01:27:15):
Well, the Reserve Bank regulates insurance, so it keeps an
eye on their financials and that's why insurance is part
of their.

Speaker 23 (01:27:28):
Okay, you know, as part.

Speaker 3 (01:27:30):
Of them they look at Yeah, yeah, yeah, all right,
it does.

Speaker 22 (01:27:32):
Fall into their perview. So we never really talk about
health insurance. You know, it's all about the housing market.
So for once, the health insurance a little bit in
their report was quite interesting.

Speaker 3 (01:27:41):
Yeah, that is fascinating. He thanks very much. Appreciate it.
Jenna Tibterrani, The Herald's Wellington Business editor, twenty away from seven.
I think this is really interesting. The immigration compliance teams
are starting a crackdown on beauty salons and nail parlors.
So they think that the beauty salons and nail parlors, well,
not all of them, but some of them are linked

(01:28:02):
to organized crime and money laundering operations and as a
result they've been cracking down them and visited about seventeen
sites just recently.

Speaker 9 (01:28:10):
Now.

Speaker 3 (01:28:11):
The reason I'm fascinated by that is because there is
I'm not going to name names, but there is a
nail salon not far from where I live, and I'll
tell you what they might want to pay that one
a visit. There's no one in there, ever, Isn't that weird?
Like if you're if you're in a part of the
city where I know for a fact that you are

(01:28:33):
paying shed loads of money to have a rental, Like
your lease is costing you so much money that everybody
else around you is shut up shop, but you're still
managing to go. And every time I look in there,
there's like a couple of ladies look back at me
and there's like one person having their toes done. Boys,
think where are you getting your dollars from? And then
one time I decided to go in and then I
was like, I don't know where you're getting your dollars

(01:28:53):
from because you just you're shit at your job, aren't you.
It was rubbish. I can't even remember how much I
paid for a pedicure, but that was money. I immediately
regretted having to spend. Got nothing of the sort anyway.
YouTube so on ins it on air, as I told
you earlier, has done this study into like what's going
on with YouTube and how many kids. I was quite
I'm quite surprised at the number of kids who are
on YouTube every single day, mainly because of the ages.

(01:29:16):
So it's four to fourteen. Now I can understand if
a fourteen year old is maybe getting a little bit
of even every day every day. Ah, we're giving you
fourteen year olds YouTube every day because have they got
their own phones at the stage or something. Anyway, So
sixty nine percent of them four to fourteen, sixty nine
percent of kids are on YouTube every single day, and

(01:29:39):
from the ages from the like preteen to teen, so
twelve to fourteen, forty percent of them have no parental controls,
so what they are doing on YouTube is entirely up
to them, which I suppose is kind of like an
interesting parenting decision. The most interesting shows for kids this
is where Insit on Air has stepped in. So the
most interesting show the shows that kids love the most

(01:30:00):
for preschoolers is Bluey at thirty eight percent, which you
can understand because blue is an awesome show. Poor Patrol
at twenty five percent, which honestly I don't understand as much.
But my kid loves Poor Patrol. He's not watching it
on YouTube though, by the way, he's watching it on Netflix,
which I somehow makes me feel better about the situation.
I don't know why anyway. I don't understand why Poor
Patrol is that popular because the lead character we've discussed this,

(01:30:23):
Chase is an idiot. He's just annoying, and Marshall is
a greater idiot. But anyway, the kids are into it
twenty five percent. And then Spidey and Friends, which I
didn't know existed until now, it's sixteen percent. The Kiwi
shows Kerrie and Lou and Ninoor You ever heard of them? No,
that's why they're setting up their own YouTube accounts, so
the kids can start watching that. When they get to
about twelve to fourteen, they're not watching shows as much anymore.

(01:30:46):
They're starting to do the gaming and they're starting to
do the social media TikTok. One and three of the
kids are doing that Snapchat one and three of the
kids are still doing it at Instagram. One and five
of the kids are doing it. Ego, there's the numbers,
seventeen away from seven.

Speaker 2 (01:30:57):
Approaching the numbers and getting the results.

Speaker 1 (01:31:00):
It's hither d the c Ellen with the Business Hour
and mayors for insurance investments, Ken Quey Saber, you're in
good hands, News Talks d B.

Speaker 3 (01:31:10):
Hither look at the tire shops when you drive by,
almost always empty. They always look sus interesting. Thanks, So
I will do fourteen away from seven. Gavin Gray UK
correspondences with us. Hello, Gevin right, So, Kimmy Bedknock is
now coming in for the BBC.

Speaker 2 (01:31:23):
Is she Yes, she is?

Speaker 21 (01:31:26):
And there's a growing clamor that today there could be
some pretty tricky questions being put in Commons the House
of Commons today and particularly aimed at the Culture Secretary,
because what happened is in a program a documentary just
one week before the US election last year, two parts
of a speech that were delivered by Donald Trump appeared

(01:31:48):
to be stitched together, edited together to make it appear
as if the President was encouraging supporters to riot. Those
are the allegations. So the quote that was played was this,
We're going to walk down to the Capitol and I'll
be there with you, and we fight.

Speaker 2 (01:32:04):
We fight like hell.

Speaker 21 (01:32:04):
And if you don't like fight like hell, then you're
not going to have a country anymore. However, Donald Trump
had actually told his supporters to walk to the capital
to quote peacefully and patriotically make their voices heard. So
that sentence peacefully and patriotically make the voices heard is
what is said to have been edited out, and a

(01:32:24):
former BBC journalist and now turned whistlebler, Michael Prescott, has
written this lengthy report basically claiming that the public broadcaster
has a huge bars against Donald Trump and others and
says he was rather struck by the fact this program
had an anti Trump stance and there was not a
program made about Kamala Harris in a similar vein, and

(01:32:47):
saying that in itself was unfair. So he's issued a
nineteen page dossier and the former journalist is also accusing,
incidentally the BBC of pushing hamas lies. That's his quote
over the coverage of the Warrior gads Us. So some
of these issues may be brought up in Parliament today
and kem a budden up, the head of the Opposition,
demanding heads role at the BBC over this.

Speaker 3 (01:33:08):
Do you think it has got to the stage where
the public want to see his role or is this
still just a political thing, a bit of about way
thing now?

Speaker 21 (01:33:16):
I don't think. I mean, the BBC has made a
big play in a recent campaign saying you can trust us.
We are you know, we're fighting for the truth and
we're fighting to bring you the truth every day, every
hour of every day sort of thing that the promotion goes.
And you can't have that in one hand and then
be accused of something else without the thing being threshed

(01:33:37):
out and heard. And I think it's extremely interesting that
while some are saying heads miss role here at the
moment the Culture Secretary saying well, I think we need to,
you know, hear what the BBC has to say about this,
and is much more cautious of this. But there's no
doubt that. You know that the traditional media here losing
a lot of viewers and listeners and readers to social

(01:34:01):
media outlets and there is a huge concern over the
future of news. This would be a very very big
punch to the stomach and it will hurt a lot
of traditional broadcast as if the BBC has found to
be playing fast.

Speaker 2 (01:34:14):
And loose in this edit.

Speaker 3 (01:34:15):
Hey, how much did Ellen bites gip?

Speaker 21 (01:34:18):
Well, it looks like multimillion New Zealand dollars. So Alan
Bates is the Post Office campaigner and the payout for
Alan comes more than twenty years after he started a
campaign for justice for victims of the Horizon scandal. That
scandal the Horizon is the name of the computer program
that was put into post offices but simply wasn't working

(01:34:40):
properly and it led to some postmasters being accused of
stealing money which they hadn't and some of them were
sentenced to prison, and some of them even took their
own life. Sir Alan led this campaign at vast expense
to his own standing, his own health. And although we're
not going to get an exact figure made public unless

(01:35:00):
he does, I guess this is a very very large
sum of money. Between turned nineteen ninety nine and twenty fifteen,
more than nine hundred subpostmasters were wrongfully prosecuted after this
faulty horizon it system indicated shortfalls in branch accounts, and
hundreds more poured their own money into their branch to

(01:35:21):
make up the apparent shortfalls.

Speaker 3 (01:35:23):
Gevin good to talk to you. We'll talk to you
in a couple of guys days again, That'skevin Gray are
UK corresponding? Heither what about pepper peg not on the list?

Speaker 2 (01:35:30):
Not on the list?

Speaker 3 (01:35:31):
Pepper peg ism. Somebody said to me pepper peg is
like crack the kids, And it kind of is like
if you're scrolling, you know, when you're scrolling on the
TV and you go past something and it plays a
little clip, like if you're on Apple TV and you're
looking for the morning show and then you go past
slow horses all but you go past peper Peg. The
kids are like, actually, I just want to watch that.
You're like, no heroin for children, don't need it. You

(01:35:55):
cannot accuse? Can I just say? You cannot accuse David
Seymour of not being brave. Might not with him, but
I am. I'm here for the conversations that David is starting.
He has suggested today he had a breakfast in Wellington
and laid out the act Party's policy for energy and
suggested a bunch of stuff that a lot of people
would absolutely blanch at. But I think we should be
talking about. First of all, he reckons, we should talk

(01:36:17):
about selling down the government's fifty one percent stakes in
Meridian and Mercury and Genesis. Not a bad idea, because
I mean, if you listen to what was suggested in
the Frontier report, the fact that the government has a
controlling stake in these three companies that compete against each
other is actually part of the problem with the electricity
the energy system. So why not get rid of them?

(01:36:37):
What's the problem he has? He has suggested we might
want to burn more coal, so we get five percent
of our energy, our electricity from burning coal, and he
reckons why not take it up to ten percent? And
I don't have an automatic problem with that, actually, because
I think I would if I had a choice of
not burning coal and having the lights off or burning
coal and having the lights on. I'm there for the

(01:36:59):
last one. And then he also reckons, why don't we
consider small nuclear reactors. They're safe by design, and surely
god by now we're over that nonsense of the nineteen eighties,
aren't we? Surely? Eight away from seven?

Speaker 1 (01:37:14):
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Speaker 3 (01:37:22):
Heather, you always refer to the apple of your eye,
your son, but you never mentioned your daughter, Just anxious.
That's such a rough thing to say to a parent,
like suggesting that they love one more than As a
fair point, though, I do talk about him a lot
more than her. But do you know why that is?
It is only because I mean, it's only because his
world is bigger than hers, right, because he's nearly four

(01:37:43):
and he's watching Tally and he's going to Knby and
he thinks he's a police officer and he's doing all
this stuff, whereas we baby is only ten months old.
What are you talking about? I ripped I ripped the
Ministry of Health's lady another one the other day when
I was going on about the measles jab. For like,
we baby got about seven ears seven minutes of primetime

(01:38:04):
air when I just went on about her needing the JAB.
So it must be the time. It must be when
you're tuning in. She did a very cute thing today though.
She got a book out and she pretended to read
by pointing at it and yang making noises. So there,
now you regret you regret starting that eight because that
was a boring story, but for me, it was an
awesome story. Anyway, listen, Tom Brady, this is news about

(01:38:25):
Tom Brady. You know what I'm talking about. You know,
the superstar over and the NFL quarterback over in the States.
Tom Brady's revealed that he cloned his dog. He had
a little it was I think it was a pit
bull or something called Lua, who died a couple of
years ago. So they collected blood and they cloned it
into a new dog. JUNI Now the first is your
first thought thought about that, not how disappointing that must

(01:38:47):
have been for them, Because the reason you love a
pet is because of their personality. Right, So you got
this pitbull and it's got a wonderful little personality, you
love it, And then does the cloned dog necessarily have
the same personality? And would you not just be like, ah,
I feel like I would and oh, we're getting into
so much room for disappointment.

Speaker 2 (01:39:06):
Well, yeah.

Speaker 24 (01:39:06):
I mean, I guess at the same time has only
alternatives to get a different dog, which is going to
have a different personality, right, So I mean.

Speaker 3 (01:39:12):
This is probably do you wanted Lure, didn't you?

Speaker 24 (01:39:14):
Well you're going to well Lui is gone. Now you
have to accept loss at some point in life, don't.
Like I said, very deep and philosophical that question Ariels
by System of a Down to play us out tonight.
I'll tell you why. Yeah, exactly as we were talking
to Jack tamily you asked him what whether he was
going to Metallica. This is what he said.

Speaker 26 (01:39:30):
Do you know, I'm not I'm actually more of a
System of a Down guy.

Speaker 24 (01:39:32):
So there you go next, All, once you get your
twenty concerts a year at Edon Park and you're wondering
how to get Jack Tayman has set out well book
System of a Down. That's clearly you do. A System
of a Down is still together. I'm not sure anyway,
this is Ariels, do you know.

Speaker 3 (01:39:43):
Like I didn't know it was Metallica or System of
a Down. Like you know how back in the nineties
it was Away Ciscil, Blair, Blur, and in the sixties
it was like the Rolling Stones or the Beatles. The
Beatles is it? Is it metallicall system of a down.

Speaker 24 (01:39:56):
I would not have a clue whether it's Jack's genre.
Nexton was going to have to book, know, Calvin Harris
or something to get me out.

Speaker 3 (01:40:03):
It's not a bad idea. And I'll say that to
him when I go to the cricket tonight. Go to
the cricket, Go the black Caps. See you tomorrow.

Speaker 1 (01:40:31):
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