Full Show Podcast: 06 November 2025

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Speaker 1 (00:02):
Pressing the newsmakers to get the real story. It's Heather
Duper Cyllen drive with One New Zealand to coverage like
no one else.

Speaker 2 (00:10):
News Talks have be.

Speaker 3 (00:13):
Afternoon.

Speaker 4 (00:13):
Welcome to the show. Coming up today. Police Minister Mark
Mitchell on Jevin mcskimming pleading guilty, Resources Minister Shane Jones
on those changes to the gas Security Fund and dairy
analyst Stu Davidson on whether the Fonterra payout will drop
below ten bucks a kilo.

Speaker 2 (00:28):
Heather Duper cla hell, how good is.

Speaker 4 (00:30):
This idea of bringing Michelin too New Zealand in the
hope that some of our restaurants will get some stars awarded. Now,
this is not free. We have to pay for it,
and we have to pay actually quite a lot of
money for it. It's costing Tourism New Zealand nearly six
and a half million dollars and that's just for the
first three years and I don't know how much you
have to pay after that. But take a look what
the Assies did, I mean, the Aussie's looked at this
last year. It was going to cost them four million

(00:51):
dollars for the first year, five million dollars for the
second year, seven and a half million dollars for the
next year, and then basically for a few years thereafter,
something like another three years. It was going to cost
them another seven and a half million dollars by my calculations,
in the space of what maybe five of six years,
they were going to have to fork out to Michelin
about forty million dollars. Ozzie's looked at it, said nah,

(01:13):
but we've said yes, And I reckon we're doing the
right thing doing that because this has grown up first
world tourism. I mean, I think about the trip that
I just did last weekend to Melbourne with a couple
of girlfriends. Food was a huge part of it. The
one of us who was doing the bookings found the
good places to eat, the places that everybody in Melbourne
is talking about, got us into those places lunch and dinner.

(01:34):
And this is what tourists do. They come to a
city for an event and they tag on great food,
find all the great restaurants and go try them out.
And here in New Zealand, we are really good at food.
I mean the entire time that I was in Melbourne,
I kept thinking that for all the raving that people
do about Milburnian eateries. Actually, in New Zealand you can
get just as good, if not, in my opinion, a

(01:56):
whole lot better. And actually paying six million dollars for
this is not really all that much. I mean, when
you think about what gets spent on tourism campaigns that
you can never actually be sure really work. Back in April,
the government pumped twice as much as this, thirteen and
a half million dollars into advertising New Zealand to Ossie's.
What do you get for that? I mean, you get
maybe a guess that some Ossie tourists came here as

(02:18):
a result. For this money that we're giving to Michelin,
you get actual stars potentially, you get international prestige. You
get the sense for tourists that they have landed in
a first world city eating international grade food.

Speaker 2 (02:30):
Heather Duplessy Ellen, I tell.

Speaker 4 (02:34):
You who's excited about it, Ben Bailey, the key we chef.
He's going to bet us up the half past five
nine two nine. Who is the text number? Standard text
fees apply now. The fallout continues from the government's plan
to deal with Auckland's homeless. It turns out the idea
originally came from Sunny Koschel's Crime Advisory Group, and the
original idea was not to ban homeless but to introduce

(02:54):
move on orders. Chloe Swarbrick is the MP for Auckland Central.
Hi Chloe, Solda, are you okay with the idea of
a move on order?

Speaker 5 (03:03):
Well, look, I welcome the government's long overdue focus on Auckland,
but what the evidence shows is that this is not
actually going to solve the problem, It merely moves it along.
In the last week or so, I have re engaged
with Minister Mark Mitchell, who's back on deck, and I
am feeling as though there's a constructive way through this.
I think that it is rather hysterical for the government

(03:24):
to respond to an issue of its own making, that
is increased homelessness, by coming down hard on criminalizing, not
as who it is made homeless. So I think it's
time for us to get to the core route issues
here and to invest sensibly to resolve them.

Speaker 4 (03:38):
Okay, So, if you don't like the idea of move
on orders and you don't think it works, what should
we do? What's a better idea?

Speaker 6 (03:44):
Yeah?

Speaker 5 (03:44):
Well, look, I think obviously what is really clear is
that the issues that have been identified by number of
my constituents and a number of small businesses, particularly in
the city center, is the fact that there are a
number of people who are using our streets as kind
of a third space, which makes sense than that emergency
housing is not a particularly nice place to spend twenty
four hours a day, seven days a week. And then

(04:06):
of course we also have those who are still not
getting access to housing. So a form of day center,
which is something which I've been advocating for for a
long time along with a number of other service providers,
where people are able to use that space to have
a cup of tea and to engage with wrap around
support services, would be a far better use.

Speaker 4 (04:24):
The place like this, a kitchen like this on k Road.

Speaker 5 (04:28):
So there had been back in twenty nineteen, I which
with the former government off the back of the synthetics
crisis to get access to some special funding for our
Odyssey House to run a kind of day center for
LifeWise out of LifeWise Merge Cafe on Kananngahape Rods which
you rightly identify. Yeah, so that was run by Peers
Support Services.

Speaker 4 (04:46):
Merge Cafe is still there, Yeah, Merge.

Speaker 5 (04:49):
Cafe is still there and it is still used by
a number of people, but that special funding for the
specific wrap around support services for those experiencing addiction is
no longer running.

Speaker 4 (05:00):
Again, I mean, Cloe, We're not talking about nice people
who are just sitting around having a chat, right, We
are talking about people who shout at other people, who
cause a nuisance, who are actually threatening and disruptive. What
do you do about them?

Speaker 5 (05:12):
Yeah? So look again engaging directly with service providers and
actually with our beat cops in Auckland City Center. The
police themselves are the first to say that they are
not equipped or resource to deal with social issues. And
even if they were to move people along, which they
kind of do on a day today basis at the moment,
that doesn't stop someone from popping back up in the
exact same place the next day. Right now, it seems

(05:33):
like really the only place that these people can end
up being put is being held overnight in the cells. Again,
that doesn't go anywhere near towards resolving the problem.

Speaker 4 (05:41):
Yes, but is that not the police are selling? Is
it not better, Chloe, for the person who's got a
shop there that that person is not there overnight and
is in the cells. I mean, it's not ideal, but
it is a better situation, isn't it.

Speaker 5 (05:53):
I mean you've kind of phut the nail on the
head by saying it's not ideal. And if we're seeing
this as a but it's best driven. This is a
pipeline into the criminal justice system. And if we want
to talk about spending good money after bad for worse
and worse results, we know that it costs too.

Speaker 4 (06:08):
I know, I know, but give me, don't give me
the problems and how complicated this is because I know
that what do we do about the situation in the
if you don't want them to be moved on? What
do we do?

Speaker 5 (06:21):
So this is exactly what I was saying at the start.
We need to fund more of these days.

Speaker 4 (06:25):
But you're talking about a day center, Chloe, for people
who are you going to be cooperative? I'm talking about
the ones who are lying around doing drugs, shouting at
people walking around, being difficult. What do you do about them?

Speaker 5 (06:36):
Well, that's where the social service support and again many
of those outreach kind of people within community are funded
by many of those social service providers, the likes of
which I'm meeting on Friday morning.

Speaker 4 (06:49):
Can they go into these people and take those people away?

Speaker 5 (06:53):
There would be the opportunity for those those outreach workers
to directly connect with people and then to put them
into the lights of these day centers to canny against
their will sport.

Speaker 4 (07:03):
I mean, I'm talking about the uncooperative ones. What do
you do about the uncoperative ones? It seems to be
the only thing you can do is chuck them in
jail or move them on.

Speaker 5 (07:13):
Well, that is currently what is happening. If somebody is
being immensely disruptive and bordering on violence or otherwise, then
that is the role for the police, and that is
how they are currently responding to.

Speaker 4 (07:24):
You know that does want to happen that much because
you live around there.

Speaker 5 (07:28):
I do live in the city center, and again I
think this is where but again, this is where I
come back to. If we actually want to tangibly, meaningfully
and practically practically resolve these issues, then as you say,
there are some people who are at the most egregious
end where it may be more appropriate for there to
be a different kind of response. But what I am
saying is that for the vast majority of people who

(07:50):
are experiencing home listeners or who are currently put in
emergency housing which is not fit for purpose. Then they
are using the streets as effectively a third space, and
that is where we can have serious and meaningful investment
in these day centers.

Speaker 6 (08:04):
Connect that up with.

Speaker 5 (08:05):
Outreach workers who are working with their social service providers,
which looks like a far better and far more meaningful
investment than simply kacking the can down the road where
the issue gets worse and worse and worse as a
pipeline into the criminal justice system.

Speaker 4 (08:17):
Chloe listen, thanks very much. A realize you're really busy today,
so thank you for your time. That is Chloe swarbrick
Auckland Central MP nine two nine two is the text number.
You'll have seen the news come in just in the
last half an hour or so. Former Deputy Police Commissioner
Jef McK skimming has pleaded guilty to the charges he
was facing.

Speaker 7 (08:34):
Now.

Speaker 4 (08:34):
The charges he was facing was that on his work
devices he was possessing child sexual exploitation images and also
best reality images. He appeared in Wellington District Call today
pleaded guilty to the charges admitted them. We'll have a
chat to Mark Mature, the police Minister after five o'clock
sixteen past.

Speaker 2 (08:50):
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Speaker 1 (08:54):
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Speaker 4 (09:00):
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That check is Chloe Michael. Thank you eighteen past four
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Speaker 8 (09:16):
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doing twenty five at a shot. Now I can get
to twenty five. So I'll do another twenty five and
I walk out of here and then we get home.
It to another twenty five, maybe twenty five f one
hundred and twenty five?

Speaker 4 (09:27):
Do you do twenty five just before bet?

Speaker 6 (09:29):
Yeah?

Speaker 4 (09:29):
Does it not like hype you up a wee bit?

Speaker 8 (09:32):
I'm hyped up constantly.

Speaker 9 (09:34):
Yeah.

Speaker 8 (09:34):
I am a picture. I am the Dictionary definition of ADHD.
So I have to actually smack myself in the face
with a cosh to go to sleep.

Speaker 4 (09:45):
None of this is true, I mean some of it's
obviously ADHDP.

Speaker 8 (09:48):
Yeah, very true.

Speaker 4 (09:50):
What is your terrible advice for us today?

Speaker 8 (09:52):
R eighteen. Bet responsibly and I did, And don't bet
more than you can afford to lose, because as I know,
every week I do the same thing and I lose,
but I can afford, so I just very on.

Speaker 2 (10:01):
That's right.

Speaker 8 (10:03):
This time around, I've chosen this. It's a rugby MAULTI
the All Blacks to beat Scotland dollar twenty seven, the
Australians to beat Italy a dollar eighteen, the English to
beat Fiji a dollar nothing. Well, it's a dollar two.
I think Argentina to beat Wales dollar twenty two. And
that's odds of a dollar ninety. If those multies all
come through, says that only ten twenty bucks in that

(10:25):
you might win yourself some beer money.

Speaker 2 (10:27):
That's what you gotta do.

Speaker 4 (10:28):
You got to keep it low brow.

Speaker 8 (10:29):
You gotta keep it light on the down.

Speaker 4 (10:30):
Load for you. Thank you who turned it on. Thank
you an answers acting as my second brain today because
my brain has gone to sleep.

Speaker 8 (10:41):
Can I be your third absolu?

Speaker 10 (10:42):
Bloody?

Speaker 4 (10:42):
Lookly you can can ex given that you're ADHD. It's
going to help you. It's going to help you to
what's going on to me about the when are we
getting the team for Scotland.

Speaker 8 (10:54):
At nine o'clock tonight. I think both teams are coming
out at nine o'clock tonight. So there's a bit of
conjecture around what actually happens. Do the loose Ford trio
stay the same, what do they do in the locking position?
To the midfield stay the same? Do they just anything
in the back three? I would like to think that Lester, Fargan,
Luku and qun' tobago straight into the roles that they

(11:15):
performed very well against Island last week at the last minute.
So these are twelve and thirteen loose Ford trios. It's
a pretty it's a brutal role. So they've got England
next week and then they finished off the Whales the
week after, so I can understand maybe they look at
that loose Ford tree and go, yeah, maybe we need
to roll someone else in. Maybe we need to give
someone a cap of tinea, lie down like a lack.

(11:37):
For example, the locks is interesting because they've got no
fit locks left.

Speaker 9 (11:42):
Well.

Speaker 8 (11:42):
I expect it will start Fabia in Holland, although they
might want to give him a rest as well, but
go to another locks they won't.

Speaker 4 (11:49):
This is what are the chances of Scotland actually beats us.

Speaker 8 (11:52):
Well, they're up there, aren't they. And I'm talking to
Jason Hellering tonight. We used to coach over in Scotland
and indeed with the Blue give us an idea about
where they sit now. The All Blacks are only paying
a dollar twenty seven to wins. It's not dominate and
you look that the scott has come very close to

(12:12):
rolling us previously. They're at home, I believe off the
top of my head I read this somewhere that it's
the it's the one hundred year anniversary to where they're playing,
So it is going to be a lot of passion
with the Scottish side. And they're handy, they should know.
And when you look at the rather up and down

(12:33):
nature of the All Blacks so far, would it surprise anyone?
And if they got rolled by Scotland, well no, quite frankly,
it wouldn't. And this year lost in Argentina for the
first time they got beaten. In the last couple of years,
they've got a lot of first first that none of
them want. So would this come as a surprise?

Speaker 4 (12:53):
No, no, thank you, We're not going to keep the faith.
I appreciate it.

Speaker 8 (12:57):
No good and tonight the black Caps are playing the
second of five twenty Eyes back at Eden Park again
after getting rolled by the West Indians last night. Of
though Mitch Santner had a great cameo towards the end
of the show.

Speaker 4 (13:10):
Okay, thanks Darcy. Darcy Watergrave Holara and joined us tonight
twenty five on your way out, Thanks very much. You're
twenty two.

Speaker 2 (13:18):
Digging deeper into the day's headlines.

Speaker 1 (13:20):
It's Heather duper c Ellen drive with one New Zealand
coverage like no one else's news talks they'd be Yeah.

Speaker 4 (13:28):
Look, I'm getting a lot of texts asking me why
I bother talking to Chloe Swarbrick. I talked to Chloe
Swarbrick because Chloe Swoolbrick is the minister, not the minister, sorry,
the MP for Auckland, right, She's the MP for Auckland Central.
If there is a homelessness issue, if there is bad
behavior happening in Auckland Central, this is something she should
be dealing with. And I think what we've all heard is, well,

(13:49):
my opinion, the opposite of that. Right, It feels to
me like Chloe's making a lot of excuses for what's
going on in Auckland Central rather than dealing with it.
If you've got a problem with that in Auckland Central,
you know you know how to deal with that. It's
called to vote. The texts are going along the lines
of here the Chloe's out of touch. I Managedinnari say,
these people threaten our staff, intimidate members of the police.
They're not Johnny on the spot when needed. That's from

(14:09):
Dale heither. What did you expect from Chloe. She's unnaturally
comfortable with dishonest, privileged thieves in her party. Blah blah blah,
so on and so forth. As I say, you know
how to deal with it, and you got the vote
for twenty six. Now the Maori Party. So apparently the
Maori Party had another intervention today and this is from

(14:29):
Baden again. You know Beata our mate who's with the
ee EWE forum. He must have flown down. He met
with Taku de Feris, this time in parliament and seems
to have been constructive. However, I don't know if you're
aware of this, but the Tamahades are still on social
like acting up on social media. If you haven't come
across at Kitty Kitty's a recidivist. Kitty is John's daughter Tamahead.

(14:52):
She's been saying some stuff. I'm gon play some of
that for you later on in about twenty minutes time.
I went to the cricket last night. I just want
to draw listen. This was point the cricket that the
sales were poor. It was a beautiful day, it was sunny,
it was lovely. Eden Park was go it was a
great venue for the cricket. And then it was hardly
anybody there. So I asked some people what happened? They said,

(15:14):
did you see any advertising for this game? I thought
about it. I thought, no, actually I haven't. Have you
seen advertising for this game? Did I miss it? Or
is New Zealand Cricket actually just dropping the ball on
advertising these games. If you've seen the advertising, can you
let me know what? Let me know either way, I'd
like to know. Nine two nine two is the text number?
Standard text fee apply. We'll get to Kiddy in a minute,
News said.

Speaker 1 (15:43):
The day's newsmakers talked to Heather first, Heather du for
the Ellen drive with one New Zealand and the power
of satellite mobile.

Speaker 2 (15:51):
News Doorg said, be no.

Speaker 4 (16:00):
Okay, if you've been following the gas situation in this country.
I've got some very bad news for you, potentially, and
I'm going to get it to you in just attack.
Turns out it wasn't just me the cricket. Hardly anyone
saw any advertising with the cricket.

Speaker 7 (16:11):
Hither.

Speaker 4 (16:12):
I only discovered the game was on when I turned
on one News. I don't recall seeing it advertised at all. Hither,
I'm a huge black Caps fan, had no idea whatsoever
about the English or West Indians series. Didn't even know
about the Australians coming until two days before. Hither, You're
dead right. I didn't even know where the Windys were coming.
Which idiot thought Eden Park was a smart venue? Why
did I be like it in Parks Avenue? Maybe one

(16:32):
of the I don't know. I see the boys are
laughing at me in the studio. They can explain it
to me in a minute.

Speaker 3 (16:36):
Hither.

Speaker 4 (16:36):
My daughter lives in an adjacent street to Eden Park.
The first she knew about yesterday's and today's matches was
when the traffic controlled team started putting up signs around
the area. So that'll be half the explanation for why
it was empty. So you're not going to turn up
if you don't know it's happening, are you? Barry Soapers
is us in ten minutes twenty four away from five.

Speaker 1 (16:53):
It's the world wires on news Dogs edby Drive.

Speaker 4 (16:57):
New York Mayor Alexora and Mandara has announced his transition
team today. CNN host Van Jones has criticized him, saying
his victory speech was too divisive.

Speaker 11 (17:07):
I think he missed a cancinite to open up and
bring more people into the tent. I think he was
using the microphone in a way that he was almost yelling.
The warm, open, embracing guy that's close to working people
was not.

Speaker 4 (17:21):
On Station eight, New York radio host Charlemagne the God,
though strongly disagreed with Van.

Speaker 12 (17:28):
Shut the fop Okay, there was no opportunity, mister mand
just one.

Speaker 4 (17:33):
Down the road. In Washington, the government shutdown has become
the longest in US history, at thirty six days in counting.
President Trump is blaming the Democrats for the length of
the shutdown.

Speaker 2 (17:41):
Let's move forward. I'd like to move forward.

Speaker 13 (17:43):
I'd like to get it going, but it's really up
to them, and we're here if they say yes, it's done,
because we have already you know, we have voted just
about unanimously, almost unanimously to move forward.

Speaker 4 (17:55):
And finally, okay, this is like cost of living crisis
tone death. So Starbucks in the US has unveiled its
winter menu and the chatter is that one particular item
is going to sell out really fast. It's the glass
Starbucks Beer Rister Cold Cup. I'm not mispronouncing that. It's

(18:16):
a glass shaped like a bear, like a little bear,
be a rista, complete with a lid shaped like a beanie.
And the fans are going absolutely nuts for it, aren't they.
The glass is going to cost you, and Answer has
done the numbers on this, He's worked out the currency.
He's absolutely absolutely certain. Fifty three New Zealand dollars and
that's empty. There's not even any coffee in it.

Speaker 1 (18:37):
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Speaker 4 (18:43):
Murray Old's Ossie correspondent with US Alo mus.

Speaker 9 (18:46):
And with my experience of American coffee, it's not worth drinking.
I mean no, really, fifty bucks for a bloody bear glass.

Speaker 4 (18:53):
You're cracking jokes, un, that's ridiculous. And then what's gonna
happen is it's gonna I'm going to come in with
my OCD because you're going to have it, and I'm
going to come into into your house. And because it's
not going to have any friends, it's just going to
be the one bear. It's going to frustrate me. So
I'm going to throw it away for you. That's what
I do. Hey, now tell me about this drugger kingpin.
Why is he had years slashed off a sentence.

Speaker 9 (19:12):
Because his lawyer was a stooge. She was informing on
not just Tony Mockbell, but the Melbourne underworld. Her name
was Nicola Gobbo. And I mean, look, there's no doubt
that Tony Mockbell was a notorious drug dealer. He was
one of the kingpins in the Melbourne Underworld and he
was jailed for thirty years. Back in twenty twelve. He

(19:33):
admitted that he was the kingpin of this huge syndicate.
There were three separate matters that went to trial and
he got thirty years and non parole of twenty two
so he wasn't due out until twenty thirty four. One
of the jail terms twenty years. But today he's walked
free and no more jail time. Because his barrister successfully
argued in the Court of Appeal in Victoria. His barrister

(19:56):
said his lawyer back then Nicola Gobbo was corrupt. She
was and her behavior by informing on the underworld to
the Victorian police basically corrupted all the trials. Where's my quote? Here?
Here we go as she was and now I've just
lost it. Anyway, mock Bell didn't know that she was

(20:16):
a so called supergrass until after he pleaded guilty, until
after he'd been jailed. So basically he's gone back now
after serving all these years, he appealed and he's actually
now for time already served. He's walked out today. His
sentence is done.

Speaker 4 (20:30):
Amazing. Now, why has this person bit a nurse?

Speaker 9 (20:35):
Well, this person was up in a regional hospital in
Tamworth and he's a twenty seven year old fellow and
he failed to appear in court for sentence four counts
of assaulting frontline health workers. Now he has a personality disorder,
so he does have a mental health condition. He was

(20:55):
taken to hospital because of welfare concerns. He had treatment
for a bunch of injuries. He was also perhaps offers medication.
He tried to leave the hospital. He was told that
staff wanted to put him into a mental health unit,
so he apparently just he went crazy. He started gnashing
his teeth and thrashing around. Four security guards drive to

(21:16):
stop him. It triggered a lockdown of the emergency department
and according to the documents tended in court today, one
guard and a massive bite to the finger, and all
four guards suffered a range of different injuries. This guy
was really fighting back with all he had. Anyway, what
this has done, of course, I mean you can't go
assaulting nurses, as you say him. And so the state

(21:37):
government of New South Wales are saying, right, we're going
to have to have a review of security in our hospitals,
particularly regional hospitals where oftentimes you don't have security guards.
Certainly none is armed. You don't have any armed guards
at the state's hospitals. But that this isn't good enough
to have four guards at Tamworth. It's a major hospital,

(21:58):
it's a big center, it's a big city. But all
four guards were injured, one of them with his finger bitten,
and that's not good enough according to the union and
the government.

Speaker 4 (22:06):
Now, what is it that Ossie goat meat has got
the the US loves well.

Speaker 9 (22:11):
Apparently it's clean and it's green. And these goats out
there breeding in the wild, they're now being caught and
they're not being shot from a helicopter as that was
the case because they are feral. What they're doing, they're
actually taking them to avatars, slaughtering them, humanely, dressing the meat.
And it's just going absolute gangbusters in the United States.

(22:32):
Not just the US, Korea, China, and the Caribbean are
all scoffing up vast quantities of Australian goat. Apparently it's
a very clean meat.

Speaker 14 (22:40):
It's a very lean meat.

Speaker 9 (22:42):
When I was living in South Sudan, I had quite
a number of meals off goat, and it's a lovely
meat when it's done well. It's beautiful in curry. But
high demand, of course, means higher prices. And that's got
a lot of farm well not a lot, but some
farmers out on the edge of the desert, you know,
and some of that more marginal country where perhaps you
can't run sheep, they're going to run goats, which apparently

(23:04):
don't need as much as tucker, and they're going to
run them by breeding them up and then after slaughter
for an up and coming export business, enter interesting stuff.

Speaker 4 (23:14):
You're right, Goat is a very good meet Mars. Thanks
very much, Murray Old's Australia correspondent.

Speaker 2 (23:20):
Together do for c Ellen Heather.

Speaker 4 (23:22):
There's a Tea twenty in Nelson this coming weekend Sunday
and Monday. I live in Nelson and I would never
have known that the cricket was happening. I was walking
the dog past the ground had to ask the ground
keeper what was going on? Heither you only knew about
it because you've got free tickets. That's right. I'm not
gonna lie. I'm not going to pretend that that didn't happen.
That is how I knew about it. I'm going to
have to delay playing you the Kitty tamarheader because I

(23:44):
really need I need you to sink into this. So
we're really going to sit back and enjoy Kitty tamarheada
and I haven't got the time before Barry, so stand
by because we'll do it in just a minute. Just
got to tell you we're also going to be talking
about the what's going on at the fire stations after five.
This does not sound like a fun time at all
because it sounds like they're going to have to cut
costs and all kinds of stuff like that. But the

(24:05):
most important thing I used to think, I suspect that
we're going to talk about after five o'clock is what
is going on with gas.

Speaker 14 (24:10):
Now.

Speaker 4 (24:11):
I don't know that we've had this con I'm not
sure that this has been confirmed beforehand, but it's just
been confirmed by officials that it looks like Marwi gas
Field is going to close, and it's going to close soon.
Because there's a cabinet paper that's been released on a
slightly unrelated subject saying OMV New Zealand the owners has
confirmed that the Marwi Gas Condensate Field will stop production

(24:32):
by dot dot dot and then that last bit is redacted.
But if you've heard the rumors that I've heard, then
what we're hearing is it's going to close next Christmas, right,
so not this Christmas, Christmas twenty twenty six. Now, what
that means is meth and X has to close because
methanex where else are they going to get that much gas?
So anyway, Shane Jones is going to be with us.
This is potentially very significant for Tartan. Lucky Shane Jones

(24:53):
is with us after five. We're gonna have a chat
Tom about it. Sixteen away from.

Speaker 1 (24:55):
Five Politics with centrics credit, check your customers and get
payments certain.

Speaker 4 (25:00):
Thirteen away from five Barries So for senior political correspondence
with us, Hallo Barry, Good afternoon, Heaven. J mcskimming is
pleaded guilty.

Speaker 15 (25:06):
Well, isn't it incredible? I can't remember a top policeman
like this ever being charged. And it'll see no doubt
the Minister of Police wiping his brow Mark Mitchell because
he came so close to being the Commissioner of Police.
It's recommended by Mark to the Prime Minister. The Prime

(25:27):
Minister then refers it up to the Governor General and
the appointment is made for five years. And you just
imagine if they'd made a different choice and GeV mcskimming
would now be the Commissioner of Police or.

Speaker 2 (25:39):
Would have been.

Speaker 15 (25:41):
So the government escaped the bullet there, there's no doubt
about that. And I've got to say if you look
at the statement from the Commissioner of Police Richard Chambers,
very strong indeed he said his behavior was disgraceful and
it's right that he has been held to account for it.
He said, it's not only criminal, it goes against the

(26:02):
core values of the police and really it has dented
the police. This just disgraceful. So I understand you're going
to be talked to, talking to Mark Mitchell and he'll
have more disailer.

Speaker 14 (26:14):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (26:14):
Now, did this some business with the school boards and
the Treaty of white Unguy blow up in Parliament?

Speaker 15 (26:18):
Well, not really blew up, but certainly it showed how
passionate the Minister of Education, Erica Stanford is about it.
The government's of course removing the requirement for schools to
give effect to the Treaty of waitang and the other
boards with the government saying the crown its responsibility is
the Treaty of Waitangi and it shouldn't be volunteer boards

(26:42):
of schools. And you can understand that the Education Minister
was asked to justify the removal of the treaty requirement
by the school boards. The questions were being fired by
the troubled MALDI party's co leader Debbie no Riwa Packer,
sitting whispering to each other behind her. Behind her where
the party's troublesome MPs Marimino Kapakini and Takuta Peris. Eric

(27:09):
Is Standford, though she was charged as she answered the
questions here, she.

Speaker 16 (27:12):
Is achievement data or Tamardiki Marti has been declining for decades.
The gap is yawning and if we want to talk
about a treaty breach, that is it. The evidence that
I have is it only ten percent of Marty's students
are at curriculum for mathematics by the time they go
to high school, seventy eight percent, more than a year behind.

Speaker 17 (27:29):
What message does the minister think this sends to Tamataki
Marti's sitting in classrooms today that their language, their culture
and identity no longer belong in the system meant to
uplift them.

Speaker 16 (27:40):
What it sends is the signal that we take our
core crown responsibility for upholding the Treaty very seriously when
it comes to raising achievement for Marty's students, and we
are the first government in a very long time to
see any of those results turn around.

Speaker 15 (27:56):
And you don't often hear a minister's reply being applauded,
but she's certainly got it much longer than I played.

Speaker 4 (28:03):
You then interesting from debing, so Mike Davidson has made
in speech this is the new Bossy.

Speaker 15 (28:10):
Yeah, well he's the replacement for the non binary Benjamin Doyle.
Mike Davison made has made in speech. Davidson, as far
as I know, is thankfully he hymn, which is a
great relief to me. But he says the major problems

(28:33):
facing the country is climate change, and he's advocating public transport,
bikes and electric cars, and he says he's going to
be keeping the blow torch on the government.

Speaker 18 (28:48):
I stand in this house today concerned for our future.
Our communities are struggling, and the environment is under attack,
and politics across the globe and here in New Zealand
is becoming more confrontation and toxic. We are failing at Tamareki.
But while I'm concerned, there is hope. Over the next
twelve months, I will work with my green colleagues to
hold this government to accounts, to challenge them, and to

(29:10):
show that people of our tierle what a government with
a greenheart will offer our country. A country that upholds
the Titi l White Hongi, that takes real action on
climate change and lifts people out of poverty.

Speaker 14 (29:22):
There you go.

Speaker 15 (29:23):
That's what the Greens were offering, is so go out
and vote next year because they'll be part of the coalition.
Government of labor has anything to do with it.

Speaker 4 (29:32):
Honestly, you are very thing.

Speaker 15 (29:34):
It is true, isn't it. What I'm saying is unless
labor can win in its own role.

Speaker 4 (29:40):
I'm still busy on your complete inability to just handle
different pronouns. Oh here, I am glad Bushy's gone. I'm
glad Bussy's gone. So that the BSA complains about you
and your inability to do it end.

Speaker 15 (29:53):
Well, the BSA should end. That's what I thought.

Speaker 4 (29:56):
Okay, very so for senior political correspondent, thanks very much.
Away from five.

Speaker 1 (30:00):
The headlines and the hard questions, it's the mic hosking
breakfast job.

Speaker 2 (30:05):
Ads are up, so it is at the bottom. Are
better times coming?

Speaker 19 (30:09):
Well?

Speaker 20 (30:09):
There were two indicators in there that were positive, so
there was really strong growth in the hour's work that
was up zero point nine percent for the period. So
that's positive because of course when people are working more hours,
that suggests there's more activity going on in the economy
and they're able to get more income to their family. Also,
there's been a shift away from part time to full

(30:29):
time employment because you have the full time employment rate
up in the part time rate down a bit. So
those are two positive indicators.

Speaker 21 (30:38):
Back tomorrow at six am the Mic Hosking Breakfast with
the Defendant News talk z' b.

Speaker 4 (30:43):
It's five away from five. Mike Davidson, the one that
Barry was just talking about, who's the new Green MP?
I got an email through now I don't know you
remember this is the one who actually he was elected
to some like christ Church Council type affair and then
also became an MP and decided he's going to do
both of them. He's got an email about that. Have
just had it confirm that Mike Davidson's Mike Davidson is

(31:04):
an apology for the inaugural meeting of the Why Papa
Papa Nui in a Central Community Board meeting at four today,
which is happening right now. He's not even zooming in.
Apparently the board is unable to have their group photo
taken and more importantly, the innisward will not have a
full complement of community board reps until December. If he
can make that meeting. This is exactly what he said
would not happen. What are let down for residents. I mean,

(31:25):
did we expect anything else? You can hardly do two
jobs at once, can you. Now, As I was saying
about the Marty Party, So if you've been following this business,
you will know that the Marty Party has apparently agreed
that they were going to cut out the social media attacks.

Speaker 22 (31:39):
Right.

Speaker 4 (31:39):
That's what they told Baden Barber when he flew down
to Wellington to act as an interventionist here. They said,
now we're going to cut it out. Well, somebody must
have forgotten to tell old mate Kiddy, who is the
daughter of John Thummerheada and the wife of rahworiwy Titi.
She's been all over social media just ragging on the others. No,
I'm not going to stop. I was silent for a

(31:59):
very long time. What's happened is she's done like a
kind of like ask me anything type thing. Sounds like
she's been doing it for two whole days.

Speaker 17 (32:08):
None of us, none of us are willing to go
down without a fights.

Speaker 4 (32:12):
That's a good thing. Yeah, and apparently this is all
normal for political parties.

Speaker 16 (32:16):
Everybody's looking at us like the world is about the
Tymighty is about to come crumble because we're having some
scraps that have to come out into the social media
to find out. We need to grow a spine, right,
these things are normal.

Speaker 4 (32:32):
And it's not going to stop. Apparently, huh.

Speaker 23 (32:36):
Next minute, we want to stand in our truth and
all of a sudden it's not allowed. It's not allowed
because we don't want this tip tent on social media.

Speaker 4 (32:46):
We don't want all of these things happening on social media.
Well too bad m Yeah, because putting it out on
social media is an awesome look for you. Mate's with
people like that in the party anyway. As I said,
Baden Barber's met with Takuo to Fairest today. Apparently it's gone. Well,
we'll hopefully try and get Baden on. Maybe you can
explain what the hell is going on. I'd love to
know what he thinks of Kitty actually, not not Kitty

(33:07):
on social media, just Kitty as a person, because sounds interesting, eh,
sounds like a really interesting character. Make Mitchell is going
to be this next police minister on JEFM mcskimming pleading guilty.
News Dogs at.

Speaker 1 (33:18):
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(33:42):
with one New Zealand and the power of satellite mobile
news dogs that be.

Speaker 4 (33:48):
Afternoon. It's been confirmed that Marwi gas Field will close.
The confirmation came in official documents which have been released
and they have redacted exactly when the closure will happen though.
Resources Minister Shane Jones is with us.

Speaker 24 (34:00):
High Shane, Hi, good afternoon.

Speaker 4 (34:03):
Can you tell us when the closure is happening?

Speaker 24 (34:06):
No, sadly that information exclusively lies with the asset owner.

Speaker 4 (34:13):
Is it December next year?

Speaker 24 (34:15):
Anyway? As I said, can you rule.

Speaker 4 (34:18):
Out its December next year?

Speaker 24 (34:20):
Now, what I'd say is that we're suffering a decline
and the known reserves from those historically large sites and
they're working through the process. It's up to them to
identify when it will actually cease.

Speaker 4 (34:35):
Okay, I mean it looks here's the thing, Shaney, this
is the rumor that's going around everybody's talking about being
December next year. If that's the case, when are they
going to announce it, Like, how far before it actually happens?
Because is this something we're going to be dealing with
an election time for you?

Speaker 24 (34:52):
Well, whichever way we cut it, it's a bigger of
a problem because we've grown up with gas I don't
know to five dollars a unit, and it's declining and
for the last six to odd years there's been no
incentive to continue. It has an impact, no doubt on
methin X, which is an employer. So I don't want

(35:12):
to trivialize this the scale of this issue in terms
of its impact on Tonmuchy, which is why I'm a
great supporter for accelerating the Einstein's mining off the coast
of Totenucky.

Speaker 4 (35:25):
So if Marwi closes, which is going to happen, does
that necessarily mean that methin X closes as well?

Speaker 25 (35:33):
Well.

Speaker 24 (35:34):
Methinex the Canadian known firm. They for each winter tend
to burlough some of their assets, ie they sell the
gas into the market when there's a shortage for electricity purposes.
And that's led to a god awful squabble between the

(35:54):
industrial users, the Crown users, and the electricity users. And
the electricity because I will pay over the odds to
keep the lights on, they tend to dominate the buying power.
So we need more gas.

Speaker 4 (36:07):
Okay, you haven't answered my question though. If mar Wei closes,
does that necessarily mean method X closes.

Speaker 24 (36:12):
Yeah, well, once again, it's really up to the CEO
and the managers and where else do they.

Speaker 4 (36:18):
Get the gas from those shine they have to close.

Speaker 24 (36:21):
I'll tell you what The next person you should have
on the show is the CEO of Methodics and let
them explain how they're going to run their business.

Speaker 4 (36:29):
How much gas do we lose from marw we closing.

Speaker 24 (36:35):
Well, they've been trying to squeeze as much gas as
possible out and what they've found is that as they
get to a point where the gas is infused with
either too much water hydrogen, it no longer becomes commercial.
And let's not dance on the head of a pin.

(36:55):
I don't want to ruin your show. The reality is
we are struggling to maintain supplies of gas and it's
forcing up the cost of industry fuel costs and energy.
But I wouldn't want to look. I wouldn't want to
say anything on the show that unnecessarily speaks everyone. It's
up to these two commercial people to identify it. And
obviously our officials are giving us various options in relation

(37:18):
to electricity I mean, as we decrease our utilization of gas,
we're going to have to use more coal.

Speaker 4 (37:24):
Yeah, well I think that the truth. Shane, Thank you
very much, appreciate it. Shane Jones, Resources.

Speaker 2 (37:28):
Minister ever dupuy Allen Fire An.

Speaker 4 (37:30):
Emergency is looking at cutting jobs as it tries to
save apparently fifty million dollars a year. Now, a consultation
document is going to be sent to the staff next
week and final decisions will be made just before Christmas.
Fire and Emergency says no call takers and no firefighters
are going to lose their jobs. Warty Watson is National
secretary for the union, the Professional Firefighters Union with us now,
hey what e Hi, how are you doing? I'm well,

(37:52):
thank you. So they might not cut firefighters, but are
you worried they're not going to add new recruits?

Speaker 22 (37:57):
Yeah, well they pretty much. They are shimmering around this.
So a part of the outcome of the twenty twenty
two settlement of our Collective Agreement was a working party
to look at the ratios of the number of firefighters
needed to ensure trucks aren't going offline, in stations aren't
closing just for shifts just due to the pure fact

(38:19):
that we don't have enough firefighters. We haven't really increased
firefighter numbers much at all since the nineteen nineties, and
there's a whole lot of pressures on firefighters, including trainings,
to comments they leave, of course, in injuries, etc. Which
means the ratio needs to change.

Speaker 5 (38:37):
That work was.

Speaker 22 (38:38):
Done fensa's own documents and work that they wanted. They
came up with a number of two hundred and fifty two.
I think it was there was a number that they
came up with additional firefighters, and then that just seemed
to stall. We've always been really clear that that number
would be dependent on what's actually happening in the districts etc.
And might not be consistent throughout. Some districts might not

(39:00):
need additional firefighters, but we actually have to do that
work and implement where it is absolutely needed. They'll just
keep they just won't give us an answer. They've canceled
the recruit course in January next year. They're claiming that's
because we're over establishment, which is just rubbish. What was
happening was, for example, Auckland was in desperate need of

(39:21):
the additional firefighters. Their management worked with the union to
implement a relief roster and recruited in for that roster
to keep the stations open. And our fenders now claiming
that's only temporary and that wasn't done with approval. So
we've got some real worries there. The recruit course that

(39:42):
was being canceled next year in January, that actually impacts
on the normal recruiting, not just if there was going
to be any additional firefighters. So I think firefighter numbers
will be affected. I don't think firefighters in their job
right now will lose their jobs.

Speaker 4 (40:00):
Yeah, but a little bit will have it. Yeah, what'll happen.
Thank you for running us through that. It's Waddy Watson,
Professional Firefighters Union, National Secretaries, thirteen past five.

Speaker 2 (40:09):
Heather do for Cela either.

Speaker 4 (40:11):
I just tuned into iHeartRadio to listen to you and
guess what there was an ad for the West Indies
cricket matches. Well, there you go. There are summer hats
out there. You have to know what you're looking for. Now, listen,
if anybody is going to like surely, if anybody in
this country is going to get a Michelin start, it's
got to be the guys at Amersfield in Arrowtown, doesn't it.
I mean, they've got to be like these guys have

(40:32):
got to be a shoe in. These guys win so
many awards down in Amasfield is actually ridiculous. This year
they were named New Zealand's Restaurant of the Year. Also
happened in twenty twenty three. Also happened in twenty twenty two.
Also happened in twenty twenty one. Also happened in twenty
twenty Do you see what I'm saying? And then also
not only that, but also earlier this year they were
named the third best restaurant in the world by the

(40:54):
influential US culinary magazine Food and Wine. So they're issue
and aren't they? Ben Bailey wonder how I wonder Ben
Bailey woke up to the news. You know who Ben
Bailey is A Ben Bailey, Ben Bailey, Ben Bailey, the
guy who does all the cool food ah and he
also does it if you have kids. You know the
one up in Henderson, you know the studio studios with

(41:16):
the cool net thing. He does that great little cafe.
We woke him up. He's over somewhere in China. We
woke him up with the news. He's pretty excited. I
wonder if he what I'd like to know from him.
He's going to be with us after half pass. Is
when we told him the news, did he immediately go
that's my life goal. I want one of those stars
or you know, like it was like, yep, that's I'm
going to get it too. He's with us after half passed.
It's quarter pass right now. So sad news for me.

(41:38):
I had to give up the ute, I had to
give back the BYD Shark six. You but it's not
that bad because now what they've done is they've chucked
me in a Sea Lion seven, which is like a
little suv. And let me tell you it is a
handsome car to the extent that had got the attention
of the builder who was around the other day who
wanted to know all about it. Looks beautiful, beautiful leather seats,
really goes at a clip on the modorway. Now that

(41:59):
is the Sea Lion seven. That one's already in market,
but there are more coming from BYD. You got the
Atto one, the Atto two, the Sea Lion five. He's
all going to be released and tonight's the big reveal.
So if you want to hear about the pricing. You
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Speaker 2 (42:41):
Cutting through the noise to get the facts.

Speaker 1 (42:43):
It's Heather duplicyll and Drive with One Zealand coverage like
no one else.

Speaker 4 (42:49):
News Talks b nineteen past five. Now Jeff mcskimming has
pleaded guilty to possessing child sexual exploitation and bestiality images
on his work devices. He's obviously the former Deputy Police
Commissioner charges of possessing the objection of warmentarial today in
the Wellington District Course. He actually faced eight charges but
it's been reduced. He's going to be sentenced next month
on the seventeenth. Mark Mitchell is the Policemanister. HOI Mitch, Hi, Heather,

(43:12):
Are you relieved this is over?

Speaker 24 (43:14):
Yeah?

Speaker 21 (43:14):
I'm very pleased that Tom he's pleaded guilty, you know,
and it allows people to have some closure on this.
I mean, it was just it was abhorrent behavior and
this is without the right This is definitely the right result,
and it just underlines that no one is above the law.

Speaker 4 (43:31):
Did you know about this before you appointed the police commissioner,
which he was in the running for.

Speaker 21 (43:36):
So I'm not going to go into too much detail,
o than to say this to you is that I'm
becoming Policemanister. I had some real challenges to deal with
JIVAM skimming was one of them, and I'm still working
through some of those challenges.

Speaker 4 (43:48):
What do you mean by that, Well.

Speaker 21 (43:50):
I'm not going to go I'm not going to elaborate
and go into it anymore than say that simple thing
or they're not simple things. Actually they are really important
things like taking our recruit course from sixteen weeks back
to twent weeks. Police are moving away from an overuse
of discretion. You know that a previous government that had
a heavy focus on DEI and understanding police delivery, which

(44:11):
was basically calling the service racist and biased. All the
focus in the wrong places, and what you end up happening,
as you end up happening this sort of thing happening
where there's a loss of integrity and a degradation of standards.

Speaker 4 (44:26):
Okay, do you think this has caused reputational damage to
the police.

Speaker 21 (44:31):
Unfortunately, it probably has, and I find that very frustrating
because for every one officer, and it's a big organization,
and so you're always going to have some people that
don't uphold the standards, but most of our police officers do.
They're out there every day, they're doing tens of thousands
of positive acts. I've been to two awards ceremonies of
the last week. Most of the awards handed out to

(44:54):
police officers who have saved members of the public's public lives,
and they are all let down. No one feels more
let down when you get a rogue police officer that
behaves like this than our front line. And they deserve
our admiration, they deserve our respect, and they deserve our support.
And when we do identify a bad apple in the barrel,
then it's just got to be dealt with quickly.

Speaker 4 (45:15):
Does he get to keep his police pension or any
kind of perks from having been an officer?

Speaker 21 (45:20):
Look, I don't know that. I'd have to check that
and come back to you, but all I can say
to you is that as soon as I became aware
of this, you know that the details of some of
the behavior, then I moved quickly to suspension. And then
you saw that had he not resigned, it was very
clear that he was going to be moved on by.

Speaker 4 (45:35):
Us, Mitch, and there was an order obviously that was done.
This was after he was busted doing this, and other
officers also have some material on their phones. How many more?

Speaker 21 (45:44):
Yeah, because we've got a commissioner now that's been appointed
by us, that is back focused on talking about well,
I'm not going to divide. That's an operational metaphor the
commissioner to talk to, not for me. But I just
underline the fact that both the commissioner and myself have
been very clear that we have got a big focus
on standards and integrity. They are non negotiable and they're

(46:07):
critically important for any organization. But in particular an organization
like the police.

Speaker 4 (46:13):
Mitch, thank you so much for your time. Make Mitchell
police minister. Right, let's talk about Allie Katoa. Next five
two the.

Speaker 1 (46:19):
Name you trumped to get the answers you need, it's
Heather Duplicy Ellen Drive with one New Zealand coverage like
no one else us talk.

Speaker 2 (46:28):
They'd be.

Speaker 4 (46:30):
Twenty five past five.

Speaker 14 (46:31):
Now.

Speaker 4 (46:31):
The good news is that Ali Katoa has woken up
from his brain injury and his uncle says that he
is stable in hospital. But really the bad news is
that the excuses for how this guy was allowed onto
the field after that head not just don't wash do that.
I mean we've had days of this now, right, if
you go and find the footage online, you're probably going
to come across the video with the Fox League commentators
talking over the top of the footage before the game

(46:52):
has started, and they indicate, Wow, that's a really big
head knock. He hasn't been ruled out just yet, almost
as if they like not almost as absolutely as if
they are expecting him to be ruled out of the
game any minute because of what has happened. And yet
he didn't get ruled out. He ran on. Now the
tongue and officials are saying that that had they seen
the footage, they would not have led him onto the field,

(47:14):
which I actually find really hard to believe. I mean,
we have to give them the benefit of the doubt
without any evidence to the contrary. But it is really
hard to believe, isn't it that, in the age of
social media and mobile phones a head knock that happened
possibly half an hour before a game and was brutal
enough to make Sean Johnson say he felt sick wasn't
drawn to their attention with a video or a text
through to a phone. But what's worse actually is that

(47:36):
they might not have seen it, but the very people
who should have seen it to keep him off the
field actually knew about it. Two very experienced doctors from
the tongue and team were aware, but they didn't do
an hia and they just sent him on to play,
and then look what happened. Now. The thing is rugby
in all of its forms, whether it's rugby league or
rugby union, can do all that they like to convince
us that they are taking head knocks seriously. But when

(47:58):
a head knock like this, which is caught on camera,
and which has drawn to the attention of the necessary doctors,
is ignored, and then is allowed to happen two more
times in a game before a man has a CJ
needs brain surgery. When that happens, all the good is undone.
And let me tell you, mothers everywhere remind themselves yet
again why their sons will never be allowed to play rugby.

Speaker 2 (48:21):
Father do for ce Ellen.

Speaker 4 (48:24):
Megan Michael's back.

Speaker 2 (48:28):
I don't know.

Speaker 4 (48:29):
I don't know how I feel about this. She's going
back to acting apparently, like not as in like I
think I make it like she's actually in a movie.
She's been cast already. The movie is called Close Personal Friends.
It stars Lily Collins, Bree Larsen, Henry Golding, and Jack Quaid, who,
by the way, incidentally is the son of Dennis Quaid
and Meg Ryan. And apparently it follows two couples. One

(48:51):
couple is famous and one couple is not famous. And
Megan is going to be playing herself. Now I don't
know about that. I mean, that is that is call
That's something, isn't it a member of the royal family
working or not, but a member of the royal family
who gets back into acting is a bit like but
like the opposite side of the spectrum, isn't it so? Anyway,

(49:12):
if you like your Meghan Markle or if you just
want to rage, watch the movie coming out for you.
News is next, and then Ben Bailey on the Mitchell
and Star idea, some Tim and me.

Speaker 1 (49:26):
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Speaker 14 (49:49):
Right.

Speaker 4 (49:49):
I'm going to keep you across the latest with the
Malordi party, and then we're going to talk to Baden
Barber about it for an update after six o'clock. Hear
the player responsibility. Why didn't he say, hey, coach, I've
had a areous head knock ian excellent question. Why didn't
he say it? Why didn't the guy who ran into
him say it? Why didn't all the other players who
were standing around and saw how bad that was say
to somebody that dude had a really bad head knock.

(50:10):
He shouldn't be on. I bet they're all regretting it now.
What a lesson? A twenty four away from sex. Now
the New Zealand. New Zealand may get some Michelin stars
because the government has, through Tourism New Zealand, sunk six
point three million dollars into bringing the Guide here. Tourism
new Zealand has put the money in and it's initially
going to focus on Auckland, Wellington, christ Us and Queenstown.

(50:30):
Are he Executive chef Ben Bailey is with us now?

Speaker 14 (50:33):
Hi? Ben?

Speaker 6 (50:34):
Hello? Hell?

Speaker 22 (50:35):
Are you?

Speaker 4 (50:35):
I'm very well? Are you excited about this?

Speaker 3 (50:38):
I am?

Speaker 6 (50:39):
Jack, Yeah, I'm so happy this is This is going
to be grateful New Zealand for hospitality especially. It's going
to give us credibility. It's going to validate all of
our hard work. And you know, let's face so, gastronomic
tourism right now is huge. People are traveling all over
the world to eat food. That is their main driver
for coming to countries.

Speaker 4 (50:58):
Now did you think are people who honestly just say
I'm going to go to New Zealand to eat my
way around the place, not events, not skiing, not sight seeing,
just food.

Speaker 6 (51:09):
Of course I'll do other stuff, right, but we see
like last summer huge amount of Americans through It was
almost like I wanted to have a map of America
and start putting all the cities from all our visitors
from around the States, and they come here and they
are searching out what is New Zealand food? What is
our cuisine? And it's you know, thirty percent of the
tourism spend is spent on dining, so it is a

(51:31):
big thing. And up with golfing and hunting and stuff
like that. There are diners around the world who go
to countries just to eat. You look at how gashronomic
tourism has changed places like Tokyo Osaka or even San
Sebastian and Spain. Places like Mexico, people are traveling their
fourth food.

Speaker 4 (51:49):
Do you think that we are at the quality to
be able to earn Michelin stars.

Speaker 6 (51:55):
We're definitely going to get some one hundred percent. I
mean I spent my twenties and early thirty working in one,
two and three star restaurants, so we know the level.
I mean, there's some restaurants that will get three stars,
maybe one or two, and there'll be some that will
get to and quite.

Speaker 4 (52:10):
A few of them will get one three stars.

Speaker 6 (52:13):
Definitely, born in Amersfield might be down in Amasfield. I mean,
you know that it's just exceptional food and very low
amount of covers. I mean, getting three stars is a
huge athlete. I think it's only about one hundred and
fifty restaurants in the world with three stars. And you
know it doesn't that wouldn't really suit our sort of
you know, Antimothy and or Key we dining or hospitality.

(52:35):
We like sort of atmosphere and we like to have
a vibe, we like to have fun, sort of be
more suited to the one and two star I think.
But there's a huge amount of criteria. Foods just one
part of the Michelin Guide, judging the dining room, you know,
the atmosphere. They even measure the bathrooms, I think, so
you know, it's quite mysterious how they're judged too. Yeah,

(52:56):
there's there's so many things that go in.

Speaker 4 (52:58):
So they make sure that the bathrooms are big enough.

Speaker 6 (53:01):
You've got to have bathroom, You've got to have the
right type of bathrooms. You've got to think about the
whole experience, right and often even in three mission stars,
it'll be about the experience of the morning when you
wake up. What is the gift you get when you leave?
Do they make a little granola for you to give
you a little bag of saldo to take home. So
when you wake up in the morning, you think about
the restaurant, right, So how.

Speaker 10 (53:21):
Far do you want to go get one?

Speaker 4 (53:22):
Do you reconbent?

Speaker 6 (53:24):
I'll be disappointed if I don't. But you know, especially
for a he I mean that's sort of you know,
you know, I think that we're at that level just
judging by I mean, I'm in Shanghai right now doing
an Hi pop up and I've just ate another three
star two nights ago, and so you get to compare
yourself with other restaurants and stuff like that. So I
think would be we'll get a start maybe too.

Speaker 4 (53:48):
You run the food joint out at WOWA Studios in Henderson,
don't you.

Speaker 22 (53:52):
I did.

Speaker 6 (53:52):
Yeah, I founded it and I've since sort of passed
it on to our general manager. But yeah, that was.

Speaker 4 (54:00):
What a great idea.

Speaker 6 (54:01):
I've been dying.

Speaker 4 (54:02):
I've been dying to talk to you about it because
there just isn't enough of this stuff around where parents
can go and sit in a nice place and let
their kids play.

Speaker 6 (54:09):
A But I think things have changed now where you
think might be a fancy restaurant, like you know how
people dress. You know, all these sort of like sort
of snobbery around sort of fine dining of flash restaurants
has gone, especially with key we dining. So you know
you can bring your kid to any flash restaurant in
New Zealand now, no problem.

Speaker 4 (54:27):
Yeah, Hey, Ben, good luck with Shanghai, and thank you
for talking to us, mate, and good luck getting a star.
I'm sure you will. Ben Bailey, executive chef at Ahi
and host of New Zealand Food Story. It's nineteen away from.

Speaker 1 (54:38):
Six the Huddle with New Zealand Southeby's International Realty, the
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Speaker 4 (54:45):
Somebody has just sent me a link to the story
about Dame Knowles that has dropped today. I am aware
of it and I am going to talk to you
about it before six, So stay tune because you're going
to want to hear this with me on the huddle.
Right now, I have Jordan Williams and also Ali Jones
of Red Pa. Hello you too, Okay, Jordan? Do you
think that's money well spent for the Michelin star business? Uh?

Speaker 25 (55:08):
Oh, look cool for it's cool for them, Okay? Is
it a good use of six and a half million
dollars of the Zeland taxpayers money. Absolutely not to think
as I mean, look I'm just I'm just back from Spain. Yeah,
and we had you know, it was it was Americans paying.
It was wonderful. We met most incredible food and Valencia,

(55:31):
and it would probably affect something like that. You know
what restaurants you went to. Would you go to Spain
and would you come to the Zeland because they're a
mission star restaurant? Clearly not. You come because of the
incredible food and the like, and it's nice for them.

Speaker 4 (55:45):
The argument is that if you're thinking about you, you're
stitching together on item Mary, and you think, shall I
go to Melbourne or shall I go to Queenstown, And
you look at all the things you can do. Well,
all of a sudden, Queenstown's got a whole bunch of
Michelin Stars, and so the whole level of the thing
goes up for you pick it.

Speaker 25 (56:01):
Look for a return for you know, six and a
half million dollars you're going to get what if in
order at least one hundred million in extra spending from
international tourists to justify that sort of spent. Clearly not either.
I mean that's the You've got to look at the counterfactual.
That's six and a half million dollars out of the
economy from the taxpayers to spend on it. It actually

(56:23):
suggests that the quality of spending from tourism Zealand is poor.
Look for those restaurant here is that could get one
amazing Will it affect the restaurants that lets you know,
I wouldn't probably not for me an age where I'm
not choosing to go to the best restaurants in the country,
But it will of them when i'm you know, when

(56:44):
I'm big, absolutely, and will it will it? Will it
mean that that justify the extra spend or result in
extra spend?

Speaker 4 (56:54):
It's totally wrong, Ellie, what do you reckon?

Speaker 26 (56:56):
Well, I hear what Jordan's saying, and this is rare,
but I tend to agree with him on this. But
look what I heard what you said earlier to Heather,
and I agree with you. I'm sitting on the fence here,
So rewarding those at the top of their game. Look,
I'm married to a chef, right and I like food,
so this is right up my alley.

Speaker 5 (57:15):
No pun intended.

Speaker 26 (57:16):
So rewarding those at the top of their game and
promoting you know, amazing products in New Zealand and our foods,
taking advantage of having that Michelin Lincoln and relationship, and
that's fabulous and so I support it generally, but with
a caveat. And what worries me is it feels a
little bit like let them eat cake. You know, as

(57:38):
Jordan said, six and a half million dollars being forked
out pun intended by the taxpayer, and we can't even
bloody afford mints. So at the moment, if they're going
to do stuff like this, that's great, but move along
the opportunity for New Zealanders to enjoy the food that
we produce. I mean, Luxeon said in his standard up today,

(58:01):
what do you say? It's that New Zealand is a
really fortunate country in being able to grow high quality
food for the world. Yes, thanks Chris, but could you
actually let some New zealand eat in New Zealanders eat
some of that food as well? So yeah, look, I
like the idea. I think it is going to bring
in the high spend, the high end tourism, people who
come here for golf, people who.

Speaker 5 (58:20):
Come here to eat.

Speaker 26 (58:22):
But six and a half million dollars of taxpayers money
when we can't afford mints.

Speaker 4 (58:25):
Come on, okay, we'll take a break. Come back to
you guys shortly sixteen away from six the Huddle with.

Speaker 2 (58:30):
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Speaker 4 (58:35):
Okay, back on the Huddle, We've got Jordan Williams and
Ellie Jones. Now, Jordan, I have to ask you this question.
Obviously because you live in Auckland. Chloe reckons that we're
being hysterical about the homelessness issue.

Speaker 25 (58:44):
What do you think, Well, I'd be hysterical too, but
probably from the other side of it. I really struggle
coming back to Auckland when I've spent a time in
the South Island and you go back and walk down
Queen Street is just a disgrace. Anyone who has visited

(59:07):
Rotea U since COVID would would see the same thing.
It's not being able to move people on, which has
looked to be what the government is looking to do
is a start, but the real issue is is that
you don't necessarily have people to move them on too.
You know, since the eighties, where we've removed institutions or

(59:30):
places to put people with mental health problems. It is
the real issue, and it could. I mean, it's probably
a good start. Look, I am pretty concerned about homelessness
and the degree to which allowing homeless people to congregate
it does bring down the feeling of a city. I

(59:51):
am posting international visitor at the moment and that we
put them up in cbd Auckland, and I was ashamed
of the homeless peace people were sitting outside. It is
a Queen Street is now a dangerous place at night.

Speaker 4 (01:00:06):
I don't think what do you reckon, yeap Allie. What
do you think of the idea of moving people on?
Are you comfortable with that?

Speaker 26 (01:00:14):
Well, I'm more uncomfortable with the fact that I'm agreeing
with virtually everything Jordan is saying today, which is concerning
me greatly. Yet, Look, I don't I haven't had a
look at Queen Street for a long time, and we
do have a little bit of an issue here. It's
been an issue around Valentine's and the city mall, and
even in my local Edgeway village there are some issues
there as well, and alcohol is the problem there and

(01:00:36):
we're trying to get alcohol banned from you know, when
they got ridat drinking alcohol in.

Speaker 25 (01:00:40):
A public place rule it was to all law.

Speaker 6 (01:00:43):
It was madness.

Speaker 26 (01:00:44):
I think Jordan's right though, we need to know what
the problem is. And again we're trying to fix the
problem without actually knowing.

Speaker 6 (01:00:51):
What the problem is. We're trying to fix it in
the mental health is well.

Speaker 26 (01:00:54):
Look is it mental health? Is it addiction?

Speaker 4 (01:00:57):
Is it polity?

Speaker 26 (01:00:59):
Is it a combination? Because if you don't know, because
they're all different issues, Jordan, and if you don't know
what they are, how do you know how.

Speaker 24 (01:01:06):
To fix it?

Speaker 25 (01:01:08):
We do? I mean, there's you have a social wealthy
safety yet you know the government will even put you
up in a hotel if it's at an absolute emergency.
People choosing to live on the streets or not having
a social wealthy system where there is zero requirements or expectations.

Speaker 6 (01:01:28):
To dig out.

Speaker 25 (01:01:29):
And the thing is it didn't go police. We're not
able just to move people on, able to take them
somewhere where had discipline that's now gone. You know, we've
removed that that I think, as I say, I mean,
I'm astonished that you consider it a problem across You've

(01:01:51):
spent when I spend time and as I say, in
christ or the South Island. I go back to Woockland
and my first experience driving home as people knocking on
your window at the ourslie roundabout begging for money there
is Ye, it does seem police not either don't have
the powers or are not moving people along.

Speaker 26 (01:02:10):
Yeah, but hang on a minute. What you said though, too,
that does make senses. We don't have the place for
those who are dealing with mental health and addictions.

Speaker 25 (01:02:19):
There are not the same because we don't believe in
institutions anymore.

Speaker 26 (01:02:22):
Well exactly, so we need to Well, that needs to
be addressed. And that's what I'm saying that if we
know what the issues are and how many of these
people that you're talking about edits or are dealing with
severe mental health that either can or can't be fixed
with medication, because we don't even know that.

Speaker 25 (01:02:40):
But you can't do it if you know that you can't.
That's my point is that it is that we used
to the benchmark used to be a lot lower to
say you have to stay here and sort out your
addiction problem.

Speaker 3 (01:02:51):
More.

Speaker 26 (01:02:52):
We don't think you still can do that if they're
dealing with us before nineteen eighty exactly what we used
to do. But the agencies that are dealing with them
know the answers to these questions that should not be
a barrier that is not difficult to ascertain.

Speaker 4 (01:03:06):
All Right, guys, listen, Thanks very much. It was really
instructive and discussion. I really appreciate it that that's ow
huddle this evening, Allie Jones, Jordan Williams. Let's talk about
Dame Noles next and the stuff that's dropped eight away
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Speaker 25 (01:03:26):
UH.

Speaker 4 (01:03:26):
Here the youull panel today completely out of touch with reality.
We travel overseas every year skiing and we actively look
at dining options and making our decisions on where to go.
Six million dollars is nothing to encourage overseas investors when
the country spends ten times on ten times that on
benefits a day. Here the house narrow minded, these guys,
are you think small? You stay small? Hither? Your guests
have no idea? Read the Michelin star situation. Think big,

(01:03:48):
not the normal key we negative attitude. I don't have
a problem with six million because, as I said at
the start of the show, this is coming out of
the tourist New Zealand budget. It's coming out of money
that the international guys are already spending here, and it
would be spent on tourism anyway, right, it would be
spent on advertising or the Michelin Stars. So I'm happy
with the Michelin Stars. Now Dame Knowles five away from six.
Dame Knowles, it turns out is in trouble for what

(01:04:10):
she said in the interviews with Mike and various other
media on Monday. It's being reported it's understood that Netball
New Zealand has started a process to talk to Dame
Knowles about the tenor of some of her comments in
the media, which may have breached the terms of her
reinstatement agreement in a Netball In a statement, Netball New
Zealand confirmed it has met to discuss Dame Knowles's comments
made in media interviews and they can't comment further on that.

(01:04:32):
I mean, honestly, Netball New Zealand, could you look any worse?
Yes you could, Yes you could. You could look worse.
You could look worse by now punishing the coach for
the stuff that she said in the interviews. Give it go,
see how it goes. This is a background piece that
Arenz has done. I had actually been waiting for this
because I was told that it was going to land

(01:04:52):
a couple of interesting things and it The main issue,
if you can point to a single event, was that
during that camp. Remember we've talked about this. This all starts
at the camp New South Wales, and during that camp,
after one of the games, there was a quote emotional
and overly personal outburst from Dame Noles. But that is
not why she was stood down. She was stood down
apparently because of how she responded to the issues that

(01:05:14):
were raised, not because the players complained, but because of
how she responded. Also, Netble New Zealand is now basically
behind the scenes accusing her in this piece of running
a pr campaign against them. They're calling it a highly
orchestrated public campaign. It's not words they are using. This
is how they've briefed the reporter, So the reporter's writing this.
A network of coaches, former players and even political figures

(01:05:36):
were briefed in to provide a voice for the veteran
coach in the dispute, Angry at what they saw as
Dame Knowles's mona and integrity under attack. Now I think
this is just let me tell you what's going on here.
This is Netble New Zealand finally responding right. Dame Knowles
has run rings around them when it comes to media
and PR relations, which is just what you expect in

(01:05:57):
twenty twenty five when you're trying to save your own reputation.
She's slayed it and now Netball New Zealand has finally
belatedly realized that. And this is them trying to get
back at her and try it too late night, too
late anyway worth a try, I suppose now Marty Party apparently,
So what's happened is the two rogues have turned up
to Parliament today's Mariamino Kapa Kingi and Tarkuter Ferris. But

(01:06:21):
then the leaders are not there because the party has
apparently for all intents and purposes, split in two already
and the staff are being asked to pick sides. And
it's basically two separate parties being run within the Marori
Party at the moment. So, as you know, Baden Barber
has flown down today to Wellington to talk to Tarku
to Ferris, which apparently was constructive. But meanwhile Katy Tamahead
is just mouthing off on social media, so we'll talk

(01:06:43):
to Baden about where things are out. Here's with us
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Speaker 4 (01:07:11):
Coming up in the next hour is vonter are going
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The answer is probably dairy analyst Hugh Davison will talk
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out of the UK as well. At seven past six
now it is not looking that good for the Maori
Party in terms of a peace deal today. The EWE
leaders have met today with the rogue MP Taku the

(01:07:32):
Paris to try to brok or cease fire. But then
from the other side, shots are still being fired with
Kitty Tamahera, who's John Tamaherad his daughter and also at
Arwerity Whitey is his wife still going on social media
after the last couple of days having her say. Baden
Barber is the chair of Nati Kahungungu, who was at
the meeting today. Hi Baden, Hey are good. Thank you.
So you met with taku To today and it was constructive.

Speaker 3 (01:07:53):
Yes, yep, yep it was.

Speaker 4 (01:07:56):
What did you guys agree?

Speaker 3 (01:07:59):
Well, we we offered to to host Hui and Pornicke
next week and it would be great for him to
come along to their meeting as we're trying to pull
together the factions, and so he he he offered, accepted

(01:08:22):
to come. He was, uh, you know he can see
that coming together face to face, this opportunity to build bridges.
So yeah, so there was pleasing, very pleasing. And then,
like I say, we met with the co leaders on
Tuesday and to have an opportunity to speak with Tauta

(01:08:42):
even though Mariamna wasn't at the huy, we're still a
valuable exercised.

Speaker 4 (01:08:47):
To why was he at the meeting?

Speaker 25 (01:08:51):
Not too sure?

Speaker 3 (01:08:52):
Not too sure? Yeah, said that he would be the
only one at the meeting. Kate, boy, it is what
it is, and uh it's so we had the meeting.

Speaker 2 (01:09:03):
With Doc Baiden.

Speaker 4 (01:09:04):
Do you think it's because it's a lost cause with her,
it's over with her?

Speaker 3 (01:09:08):
No, not at all. I think she has has said
that she wants to meet with her people in the
North first before you know, other meetings, and so I'm
assuming that's the reason why she was an inter meeting
to it.

Speaker 4 (01:09:26):
Okay, now, what's going on with Ketty tamahead he because
didn't the party just agree with you a couple of
days ago that they would stop firing shots on social
media and yet she continues to do it.

Speaker 3 (01:09:36):
Well, you know that there was a discussion. You know
these the party is is wider, I guess, and you've
got lots of different parts of the party. But when
we spoke to the coaches, you know there's a general
agreement from from themselves.

Speaker 4 (01:09:57):
But like, isn't their own wife because you're talking to
Raweri and then the rowdy's missus goes on.

Speaker 3 (01:10:06):
So well, yeah, yeah, we can only we can only
encourage and ask At the end of the day, you know,
they're all adults and don't make their own choices.

Speaker 4 (01:10:17):
Not helpful that I'd imagine. Listen, do you actually think,
be honest with me, you can't keep this together. This
thing is going to fall apart.

Speaker 3 (01:10:25):
We're going to give it our best shot, and you
know from from the discussions we had with Rowdy and
deb and also today with Takota. You know, there's still
a glimmer of hope and and that's what we let
you go onto. We've asked to bring up at the
Marai and you know, if we can get there before

(01:10:46):
it all falls to bits, you know, that would be
the best outcome. So that's what we pushed today. Tokuta
agreed to next week. And here let's let's keep with
you on the other question.

Speaker 4 (01:11:00):
Why are you guys, as the EWE chairs Forum, so
invested in what's going on with the Maori Party? Would
you do the same thing if there were members of
the Labor Party who were in the Marii Electricities who
are having in fighting like this, would you step in
as well?

Speaker 3 (01:11:16):
It would depend. I mean we've stepped in because there
is an election in twelve months time. We're pretty adamant
that this government needs to go. I mean we've been
challenged like no other generation in the last couple of years.
So yeah, we've got a bigger picture ahead of us.

(01:11:39):
This white stake and having the Maori Party and fighting
twelve months out from an election when they should be
pumping out policy before Christmas is not good. And so
you know it's not just about Mary Party politics. You know,
the feeling goes right out to all mighty communities, even

(01:12:01):
though they might not be mighty party supporters. So people
are hurting, People are you know, confused, and you know,
we just wants to stop. And that's why the eechas
who have stepped in.

Speaker 4 (01:12:14):
All right, Baden, thanks very much for your time. Good
luck with us. It seems like a hard job. Baden
Barber Nazi Kahungongu Chairman six.

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Speaker 4 (01:12:23):
Okay, So the details have come out now on exactly
what it is that Jevin mcskimming has pleaded guilty to.
So I am going to be careful with what I
tell you because some of the stuff here is just
so hideous. I'm not even going to say it out loud.
What I can tell you, which I think is okay
to say, is the first of the search is it
looks like it went on for basically four and a

(01:12:44):
half years. The first of the searches took place on
the first of July twenty twenty, so we're like, you know,
deep in COVID at the time. The last recorded search
was eighteen December twenty twenty four, there were a total
of five thousand, three hundred and fifty four Google searches.
About two thousand of them were adult pornographic. Sixty four

(01:13:06):
of those were intended to return objectionable images. Three hundred
and eighty eight of them were highly likely to return
objectionable images. The searchers included AI material, including making references
to very small children. I'm not going to talk to
you about that. Also, nude Nazi girl was something he
was quite into. He also looked for things including the

(01:13:28):
words slave abuse and extreme. Of the objectionable material that
he appears to have got his hands on, thirty seven
percent of them were child sexual exploitation and sixty three
percent of them represent bestiality. Fourteen pass six.

Speaker 2 (01:13:46):
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Speaker 4 (01:13:53):
Listen, I'm going to have to talk to you. I've
got a well, I don't have to, but I'm gonna
there's a text that's come through on Dave Knowles. I
feel like I need to address this because it seems
to be where everybody's getting really tripped up on this
thing and not really understanding. This is the confusing bit.
So I'll get to that shortly. I just want to
talk to you about this. Over in the US, they
are cutting ten percent of the flights at forty of
their major US airports because of the government shutdown. Sounds

(01:14:14):
like they just basically don't have enough air traffic controllers.
Seventeen past six.

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Speaker 4 (01:14:23):
Dry Jamie McKay, the country hosts with us. Hello Jamie,
what's this business in Shanghai?

Speaker 7 (01:14:31):
Well, this is the China International Import Expo known as
the c double Ie in Shanghai.

Speaker 14 (01:14:38):
Are look a record number.

Speaker 7 (01:14:39):
Of New Zealand companies, including all the big players like Fonterra,
Zesprey's Silver Firm, Farms compete to the honey people. They're
all participating. There's all sorts of places to display your wares.
More importantly, there's four million eyes to display them to.
So this thing happens every year from the fifth to

(01:15:00):
the tenth of November. It's very much about showcasing your stuff,
and it's very much about the Chinese government showcasing what
they can do. This is the brainchild of the current
President Shei Shingping, so there's no other expo in the world.

Speaker 14 (01:15:16):
Like for Fonterra for instance.

Speaker 7 (01:15:18):
Heather and I was chatting to chair Peter McBride this
afternoon in advance of teeing up an interview for my
show tomorrow. He's over there representing Fonterra. He's been there
before with Sesbury. They've got a full milk tanker as
a part of their display.

Speaker 14 (01:15:34):
So very very important to be there.

Speaker 7 (01:15:37):
And all the big players in New Zealand AG are
there pleasing the Chinese because we've got to take a
dollar each way.

Speaker 14 (01:15:42):
You see. You you can't suck up the trump all
the time.

Speaker 10 (01:15:45):
No, true?

Speaker 4 (01:15:45):
That would this be the thing that Ben Bailey from AH.
He's at the chef the pop up that he's doing
for AHI.

Speaker 14 (01:15:50):
Possibly. Possibly.

Speaker 7 (01:15:52):
I was chatting to Thomas McDonald earlier in the week
from the Spring Sheep Milk Company. They're the Sheep Milkers
based out of the way Gatto. There there, there's you know,
there's dozens, dozens and dozens of New Zealand companies there
form million people to show off to.

Speaker 4 (01:16:06):
Now what's the heads up that Shane Jones has giving
you here on the Gold.

Speaker 14 (01:16:12):
I was hoping you wouldn't go to that story, Heather.

Speaker 7 (01:16:14):
I was hoping you would give me an opportunity to
give the Canterbury amp Show go on there a shameless
plug because Heather for the first time and I haven't
read the Shane Jones story. That's the other reason why
for the first time in ten years it's got Royal
Amp Show of New Zealand status. So you might remember
this used to be head and Shoulders, the biggest AMP

(01:16:36):
show in the country. If you weren't at the Canterbury
or the christ Church amp Show, Cup and Show week,
it's happening next week you were nowhere. But it kind
of got a bit, had the wobbles and was canceled
for a couple of years. Sir David Carter, former Minister
of Agriculture Speaker of the House, is leading the charge.
They're trying to get back back to the good old
days on what AMP shows were founded on, bringing the

(01:16:59):
country to town and celebrating quality livestock competitions. Look, they've
got displays of dairy cattle, beef, cattle, sheep, equestrian the
seven hundred equestrians there. They've got a special wall related
trade exhibit They've got the normal, the Staples sheep dog Trials,
Sharing Shetland pony Racing, Clydesdale Display as well as a

(01:17:20):
as well as wood chopping and a sharing test between
the South Island and New South Wales and of course
Heather the Country.

Speaker 14 (01:17:27):
That's us. We're there to launch Air twenty twenty five.

Speaker 7 (01:17:30):
Makaysa Pilsner with the Emerson's Tiny Pub And if you're
nice to me for the remainder of this month, in fact,
for the remainder of this calendar year, Heather, I'm going
to send you and bury.

Speaker 4 (01:17:40):
Some Christmas I shall. I shall be nice to you.
And also I'm not pregnant this Christmas, so absolutely I'll
be taking there. Thanks very much, Jamie, look after yourself,
Jammie mackay, our host of the Country. Yeah. So what
Shane Jones is going on about today is pretty excited
because Matakanui Gold Limited, which is a subsidiary of Santana Minerals,
has been given of my permit today. This is a

(01:18:01):
thirty year mining permit for the Rise and Shine prospect,
which is part of the Bend to Go Over gold
mine project in the Dunstan Mountains, and he reckons we're
going to get rash off this. One can only hope
we're going to get rich off this because I don't
know about you, but I'm ready to get rich. Okay,
let's talk about this. Dame Noles text next six twenty one.

Speaker 1 (01:18:18):
Whether it's macro micro for just plain economics, it's all
on the Business Hour with Heather Duplicy Allen and to
mass for insurance Investments and Kiwye Safer.

Speaker 2 (01:18:29):
You're in good hands.

Speaker 4 (01:18:31):
Talk listen. If you've been following what's going on with
the dairy auctions, you'll know that they've come back a
fair But so what it means is basically everybody's saying
as asking the question is Vonter are going to drop
the farm bake Gate milk price to below the ten
dollar mark? And it seems inevitable. We'll have a chat
to the dairy analyst Stuart Davison just after half passed, Heather,

(01:18:51):
for goodness sake, did you actually read the article? Dame
Nolene misled to put it politely, the media when she
was when she was informed by when it was informed
by multiple people, including herself at the end of the
day that she had been informed of the complaints against her,
and she had met with Brian Stronach to discuss the
concerns from the players, and it was nol Lean who
refused to agree to a change and approach, therefore leading

(01:19:11):
to her suspension. She didn't run rings around netbul New Zealand,
she ran rings around the media. Now, look, what seems
to be confusing people is whether she knew why she
had been stood down or not right, because she says
she doesn't know why she was stood down, Let me explain,
and yet she read the Stronach review. Let me explain
this to you. She's not wrong from what I understand,
From what I believe, She's not wrong in saying that

(01:19:34):
the Stronach review gives like oversight. It gave her some
general ideas of what was wrong. So, for example, if
somebody came to me and they said, hither, it's not
a safe place for your producers, they don't feel like
working with you. They can voice their concerns, that's cool, okay.
So that's basically what the Stronach report did, to which point, obviously,
if you were in Dame Knowles's position or mine in
this particular analogy, I would say, okay, cool. So give

(01:19:56):
me some examples what did I do to the German
that made her feel like this? And they would go, oh, no,
we can't give you any example, can't tell you any
specifics because we don't want to identify exactly who that
is what happened to her. So she was told in
general terms what had gone on and the fact that
there wasn't a safe place. It wasn't you know, psychologically
safe for the players. But then when she said, okay,
well give me examples of what I did wrong, there

(01:20:18):
were no specific examples. And you know that what I'm
saying is true because Netball New Zealand put out a
statement for her at the end of Monday saying that saying,
basically her acknowledging I know that I cannot be told
any specifics because that would be identifying players, and players
are anonymous. So that's so there.

Speaker 10 (01:20:35):
You go.

Speaker 4 (01:20:36):
Now ask yourself if you were in her position, would
you want to be stood down out of your job?
Would you want to be having agreeing to all of
these changes and having this gigantic fight And you don't
know what the examples are, You don't know what like
you know generally what you're being told you're a bit
of a shite person. But you're not being told specifically
what went wrong, so you can't even defend yourself. You

(01:20:56):
can't be like, oh, yeah, well that time when Kelly
Jackson says that was because do you know what I mean? Like,
you might have a very good reason. You know, hopefully
we've cleared that up once and for all for everyone.
Six twenty six.

Speaker 1 (01:21:09):
There's no business like show business.

Speaker 4 (01:21:16):
The Muppets coming back to the big screen. Well, the
most important Muppet anyway, Miss Peggy. She's getting her own
movie after decades of living in Kermit's shadow, and she's
assembled an a list producing team to help get her
story onto the big screen. The movie is being produced
by Jennifer Lawrence and Emma Stone. Yes, that Jennifer Lawrence
and that Emma Stone.

Speaker 3 (01:21:36):
I don't know if I can announce this, but I'm
just gonna Emma Stone and.

Speaker 2 (01:21:40):
I are producing a Miss Peggy movie and.

Speaker 6 (01:21:43):
Cole is rating it.

Speaker 4 (01:21:45):
Okay, Now, that's Jennifer Lawrence and the Cole she's talking
to talking about is Cola Scola, who's the most recent
winner of Best Actor in a Musical at the Tony's
this year. He wrote a play called Oh Mary, which
is a satirical take on the life of Mary Todd Lincoln,
who is the wife of obviously Abraham Lincoln, and he,
obviously why not he played Mary. The question is still
whether or not Emma Stone and Jennifer Lawrence will actually

(01:22:07):
be in the movie themselves, and also what it's going
to be about. Piggy and Kermit have been separated since
twenty fifteen, but they haven't officially announced a divorce, so
the question is a potential rekindling on the cards.

Speaker 14 (01:22:23):
I hope not.

Speaker 23 (01:22:24):
She's horrible to them.

Speaker 4 (01:22:25):
Okay, Kermit has well rid of us. So I was
just about to point something out and answers just totally
reinforced my position on this. Why do adult people, why
do adult human beings cared this deeply about a puppet's
love life? Do you answer that question?

Speaker 23 (01:22:39):
Ans Oh, The Muppets has just always been a very
well made show.

Speaker 4 (01:22:42):
Your husband is coming, Okay, because it's a bit weird,
isn't it. I'm just saying, I mean it's nice.

Speaker 23 (01:22:48):
We have a hang up about anything that's animated or
has animatronics during anything.

Speaker 4 (01:22:52):
I think it's because I'm a grown up.

Speaker 14 (01:22:53):
I think it's just a personal heavything.

Speaker 4 (01:22:55):
Maybe could be and being judgmental and being Smartganti uses.

Speaker 1 (01:22:58):
Next everything from SMS to the big corporates, the Business
Hour with Heather Duplicllen and Mass for insurance investments and
Kiwye Safer.

Speaker 2 (01:23:13):
You're in good hands news talks that'd be.

Speaker 4 (01:23:23):
I have you been ready with us in ten minutes
time out of the UK right now it's twenty four
away from seven. Now let's deal with what is going
on with milk. Fonterra's farm gate milk price is being
tipped to fall below the ten dollar mark after yesterday's
Global Dairy Trade auction the price of whole milk powder.
If you've been following this you will have noticed it's
full and twenty percent since May and Fonterra's current range
for the farm Greatee milk price is nine dollars to

(01:23:45):
eleven dollars per kg of milk solid. Stuart Davison is
a dairy analyst for Higher Ground. Hey Stewart, I'm very well,
thank you. Do you reckon it's inevitable that it's going
to drop.

Speaker 19 (01:23:55):
Yes, I don't think it's an edville. We've definitely seen
the market fall in the last little while, and big
drivers milk supply, So we've seen a lot of milk
being produced everywhere. All the export nations are well ahead
on milk production through Q three and then are likely
follow into Q four and into early twenty six.

Speaker 2 (01:24:10):
So supply is the story.

Speaker 4 (01:24:12):
Yeah, supply, It didn't like, not enough demand for that supply.

Speaker 19 (01:24:16):
Well, demand's actually reasonably firm. We've seen a few tumbles
and trips here and there in the market, but demands
not that far lower than normal. But milk production is
just outstripping that.

Speaker 10 (01:24:24):
Growth of demand.

Speaker 4 (01:24:25):
Why what's going on?

Speaker 19 (01:24:27):
Well, two things. Milk pricing, as we see in New Zealand,
is leading farmers globally to produce more. You know, we
were in a very tight situation supply supply reasons in
the last eighteen months. The market was screaming for more
milk and milk solds, especially milk fat in the last
eighteen months, and the market's got that supply to catch
up now and now we're in that transition period between

(01:24:49):
under supply moving to oversupply. So you know, milk prices
are just driving production everywhere.

Speaker 4 (01:24:55):
If it does fall below the ten dollar mark, As
you say, what does it fall two.

Speaker 19 (01:25:00):
Well, yeah, how quickly it gets down and where it
goes to is up for discussion. At the moment, I think,
you know, if we look at the milk price futures
market at the moment, yeah, we're trading about nine dollars
seventy three there at the minute. We could very quickly
go lower if we see the GDT auction in two
weeks time ago, even you know, expecially hor power prices
move even lower. You know, my sort of early forecast

(01:25:21):
in the year was sort of nine dollars twenty but
I've sort of regauged things. At the moment, we're probably
close to nine forty nine fifty all things considered. But
you know, we just have to look back to the
twenty two twenty three season when prices fell seventy cents
from the peak.

Speaker 10 (01:25:36):
To the trough during the season. So yeah, in the
same time frame, we've got left run in this.

Speaker 19 (01:25:41):
Season, so you know, there's there's some serious movement potential
left to run.

Speaker 2 (01:25:45):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:25:46):
Look, you know this obviously sounds bad, but actually if
you put it in kind of historical context, it's still
a pretty good payout, isn't it.

Speaker 19 (01:25:53):
Well, And that's that's the big driver of the expectation
of more milk supply as well. So yes, you know,
even if we get down to nine dollar handle, and
the listening will not like me saying that, but you know,
they're still making a lot of money generally in New
Zealand at that point. And you know, feed prices, interest rates, fuel,
all those input costs have actually eased lower in the
last twelve months as well, so margin wise, things are

(01:26:13):
still looking pretty good. And you know, if you look
at price as a signal for supply, the question is
actually how low does the milk price need to get
to sort of condense milk production a little bit globally
as well. So that's the question now is how low
will milk prices go? How quickly will farmers respond to
the signals? And usually, you know, the general rule of
thumbers and agriculture, you know, the supply response is relatively

(01:26:36):
slow on both sides, so we don't expect a quick
response from anyone, and milk prices are going to get
a lot lower before we see the response anywhere.

Speaker 4 (01:26:44):
Stud I haven't spoken to you since the sale of
fon Terra's consumer brands to luck to Lease and Winston.
Obviously getting pretty vexed about it and saying they're going
to regress it. Do you think they're going to regress it.

Speaker 10 (01:26:54):
I don't think they go rigord it at all.

Speaker 19 (01:26:57):
I think, you know, we're two sides of that. I
think the farmer's side, you know, they're going to do
well without two dollars and their and their budgets and
and they've got a lot of ways they can spend
that on their own businesses and they'll quite enjoy that
capital sort of breather room. On the Fonterira side as well,
I think, you know, the strategies have been talked about
pretty clearly, and you know, I think what they're politicing
in New Zealand seems to miss very bluntly. They're very

(01:27:19):
focused on the fact that Fonteria is going to be
an ingredients business, and I think that's you know, the
assumption is that means the company is then only.

Speaker 10 (01:27:26):
In commodities commodities based.

Speaker 19 (01:27:29):
I think we missed that the world of dairy is
very quickly going towards higher fractionalization of dairy, so you know,
getting right down to the nitty gritty parts of the
milk solid and pulling all the value out of it.
That's that's what the market wants, you know, still buying
homic powder and skim and and all those other big
name commodities, but you know, the market screens for high
proteins and more way protein isolates and milk protein concentrates

(01:27:52):
and all these things that go into the high end
of products and are used for very specific use cases.
And that's you know, that's where Fonteria is telling us
they want to go. And this frees them up to
make that strategy approach. And they've already started an investment
channel too. You know, we look at Startholme protein investment
that's going on, and then all the expectations of what
else they're going to do. And I've talked about with

(01:28:13):
their protein plans too. So I think it's I think
it's a good move. It's just you know, the other
question we probably have to start asking ourselves is, and
the key dairy industry is how much money are we
willing to invest in the co op to make sure
we can chase those higher value fractionalizational plants down too.

Speaker 4 (01:28:29):
Stuart, as always, it's really wonderful to talk to you.
Thank you. Stuart Davison, higher Ground Dairy Analyst nineteen away
from seven.

Speaker 2 (01:28:35):
Heather Duplicy, Ellen, you will not.

Speaker 4 (01:28:38):
Believe I'm coppying it for the miss Piggy stuff. We'd
get to that and we're going to have to have
another Muppets chat apparently. Can I just draw your attention
to what a New Zealand is up to today? So
in New Zealand, we've talked about this on the show.
They've got that little electric plane that they're fixated with
and it's starting its intensive trial run today. So it's
already done. It's done like a test flow or something

(01:29:00):
like that in totung Our last month. But now they're
going to start the extens of proving trials, going to
do it in Hamilton, going to do a range of
They're going to get it up there flying a range
of conditions, bunch of flight maneuvers and roots, you know,
just trying to kind of understand how the plane works
and probably satisfy themselves it can stay in the air,
you know, that kind of thing. They have to once

(01:29:22):
they've done, once they've done all of the trials and
stuff in Hamilton, then they have to get it down
to Wellington because they've got to fly the cook straight
the summer, so because that's ultimately it can't fly very
far and so this is what it's ultimately going to
be limited to flying you know, Wellington, I don't know, Blenham, Wellington, Picton,
something like that. But in order to get it down
there from Welling Hamilton to Wellington they have to go,

(01:29:43):
by the looks of things, Hamilton to Topel, then Topal
to Napier, then Napier to Palmiston North and then Palmston
North to Wellington, which is, you know, which is not
unusual for us, because that's what we've had to do
with the defense plane for the longest time. For the
Prime Minister. You want to get from here to I
don't know, Turkey, You're going New Zealand, Darwin, Malaysia, dough

(01:30:03):
Ha you liked across the anyway. What I find interesting
about this, and I don't think I'm ever going to
stop finding this fascinating, is this is a New Zealand.
Did you know this? This is a New Zealand who
the CEO has gone around first week in the job
and he's like God is bigging bowled out and he's
asking for government money for subsidies. So they don't shut
down regional routes because that's how tight things are. They

(01:30:25):
need money, money, money, money, But then they fly the
electric then they waste time with this electric plane which
costs money. Not all anyway priorities people seventeen away from seven.

Speaker 2 (01:30:36):
If it's to do with money, it matters to you.

Speaker 1 (01:30:39):
The business hour were they head to do for Cellen
and mas for insurance investments and Huey safer and you're
in good hands news talks.

Speaker 4 (01:30:48):
That'd be either if the recent electric bus fires or
anything to go by, I won't be flying on an
electric plane gin. Actually, as long as the look as
long as the plane doesn't hit the bus overpass, and
you should be okay. The only problem is if it
crashes on Tamaki Drive, it's going to take a really
long time to clear that plane. Because that's the experience
with the electric bus, wasn't it fourteen away from seven

(01:31:08):
in the Brady UK correspondence with that's hello Winda.

Speaker 10 (01:31:12):
Heather, great to be back.

Speaker 2 (01:31:13):
How are you so?

Speaker 4 (01:31:13):
Tell me about the latest six offender to be accidentally
released from jail.

Speaker 10 (01:31:18):
Well, it feels the groundhog day here. We did this
story just a couple of weeks ago when they let
out a guy who was sexually assaulted a fourteen year
old girl. Led him out of prison early by accident,
and he even went back in and asked, are you
sure I should be out? And they pointed him in
the direction of a train station and said basically go,
and he did. We have another man hunt underway. I

(01:31:40):
think this one is even more damaging for the authorities
because we now find out he was released by accident,
a twenty four year old Algerian last Wednesday, and we
were told about it yesterday, and in fact the police
were told about it yesterday and you can imagine the
anger in policing having to now find this and he's

(01:32:01):
had a full week of a head start. So it's
shining a light really on the absolute state of the
prison system in the UK. The government are saying that, look,
we just inherited this mess from the previous lot. It's
the Conservative's fault. But in all honesty, they've had over
a year now to try and make things better and
it's clear that the prison system is on its knees. Meanwhile,

(01:32:23):
we don't know where a convicted sex offender is. He's
twenty four, he's from Algeria. He is due to be
deported when he finishes this sentence, so he's not exactly
going to walk in and hand himself in.

Speaker 4 (01:32:36):
Okay, So do you have any grip at the moment
on how many of these people who shouldn't have been
released have been released? Like how many are out there?

Speaker 10 (01:32:44):
No, we don't, and that is the question that was
asked in Parliament yesterday during Prime Minister's Questions. Starmer's gone
off the cop thirty in Brazil. So David Lammy was
filling in. He's basically Deputy Prime Minister and Justice Minister
there and here we have it where he was not
able to answer that question. Now Lammy refused to answer

(01:33:07):
the question because he knew this was coming, and it
was only after PMQ's was over that this story broke,
and it was quite clear that the Conservatives knew that
something was in the offing, as they say, and it's
everywhere now, so yeah, it's nobody knows and you just
wonder what is going on. Releasing someone from prison is

(01:33:27):
a very significant decision to take, and we've managed to
let two foreign sex offenders go in the space of
a fortnite.

Speaker 4 (01:33:35):
Okay, now, talk to me about the politics of this right,
because this has been fairly gritty for Stamma and his
party basically from the start. Are they playing this like
is there one in one out policy going to cut
the mustard after all of this or are they going
to be expected to go harder?

Speaker 10 (01:33:53):
Look, I think they're really really going to have to
go harder on migration because guess who's making hay politically
on this, Nigel Farage. It is his selling point. It
is probably the only thing that is driving his popularity
in the polls. That and Starmer's unpopularity is the fact
that Forage says, make me Prime Minister and all these

(01:34:13):
people will be going home and more. You know, that's
the drum he keeps banging. And you look around England
now and you're seeing more and more flags a cross
of Saint George everywhere. People have had enough and Forage
and reform. If there were an election in the morning,
they are running away with it in the polls.

Speaker 4 (01:34:34):
What would going harden look like?

Speaker 10 (01:34:39):
Well, I think for Starmer it needs is oken that
this can't go on, and that fifty thousand people coming
across in Dinghy's from France every single year, mostly men, undocumented.
We don't know who they are, where they're from. Tackling
that and stopping that anyhow, people don't care. People don't

(01:35:00):
you know. We're seeing this small army of British lawyers,
human rights lawyers exploiting every single loophole possible to keep
these people in the country for as long as possible.
And Stamer used to be a human rights lawyer, so
surely he knows how this can be stopped. There are solutions.
I absolutely think there are solutions, but Stammer doesn't want

(01:35:21):
to go that far because he doesn't want to be
seen as extreme. If he doesn't, he will be out
of a job.

Speaker 4 (01:35:26):
I couldn't agree with you more. Hey, thank you very much.
Into that's fascinating stuff. That's into Brady UK correspondent hither
fascinating view on in New Zealand. Wouldn't you invest a
percentage in your future of travel to stay relevant off
Mark comments, No, I would not not if I was
in New Zealand. I don't think investing in a tiny
little plane that can fly all of about two hundred

(01:35:47):
ks is investing in your future. And if you like,
seriously come off it. If was if this was a
viable piece of technology. It would be the big airlines
around the world that would be investing in it, if
any actually thinks that anything that it does at the
urs end of the world, with the tiny little amount
of money that they've got is going to make a
difference to aviation. They are dreaming, isn't it. What planet

(01:36:10):
are you living on? It's not. It's not in New
Zealand's place to save aviation. Oh my gosh, hey remember
the Louver business. It gets worse. Turns out the Louver's
video security password was reportedly love Yep. Nine away from seven.

Speaker 1 (01:36:29):
It's the heather too for see allan Drive full show
podcast on iHeartRadio powered by News Dog ZB.

Speaker 4 (01:36:37):
Six away from seven. I've got you know what, I'm
fascinated by this Pope. I don't know why. Maybe it's
just I'm fascinated by the Pope. Oh, by the way,
the Comcom's given the okay to the cold deal between
all the big power generators. Thank the Good Lord for that.
So you can have power next winter. Maybe maybe not. Also,
so the Pope has come out and said Catholics just
need to settle down about Mary. She was not a

(01:36:58):
co redeemer. I don't know if you're aware of this,
but this has been a thing in Catholicism for a
bit where they've been sort of like, is Mary the
same as Jesus? Is literally the only it's the only
form of Christianity where they do this. But they were like,
it's Mary the same as Jesus, And mainly popes are
of the view.

Speaker 7 (01:37:15):
No.

Speaker 4 (01:37:16):
Francis was of the view. No, Benedict was of the view.

Speaker 9 (01:37:19):
No.

Speaker 4 (01:37:19):
But John Paul the second who came before, was of
the view kind of yes, well actually definitely yes, But
then he stopped saying it because he realized it wasn't
the thing when he was, you know, actually in the papacy,
Pope Leo has instructed Catholics not to refer to Mary
as having helped her son. Jesus saved the world from damnation,
Jesus alone saved humanity, and Catholics must not call Mary
the co redeemer. So for now that's off, But let

(01:37:41):
me tell you it'll be back, can we say, very
quickly while I've got a chance. Congratulations to our mate
Jack Tame, who has just been announced as the weekend
reader for One News. So gorgeous Gods her so Simon's out,
so what's a face? Meliss is going to be Melissa's
the weekend one at the moment, She's going to be

(01:38:03):
moving into the weekday slot, and then her seat is vacant,
so Jack's taking. And that's actually a really good job
for Jack Jack actually, because Jack is a good looking
man made like good looking. He's got the thing, he's
got the hair, he's got the whole look, so he
will be fantastic at it. And he can read yours
and he can read words on an auto Q, which
I think is an important part of this with a

(01:38:23):
nice voice. Now, Heather, Gonzo and Beaker are the most
impotent muppets. I feel like mus may have meant to
say important, but he didn't. He said impotent. So that
is how it has been read out, Like Ron Burgundy,
Heather from ed Tim Kermit All the way water is
up ends with grown ass humans behaving like this.

Speaker 23 (01:38:41):
Well, I was going to say I just to firm
this up. I had a chat with a couple of
other members of staff as well. And the Muppet Show,
when at first launched, was not a kids show like
Jim Henson did Sesame Street first and he was worried
that he was getting typecast as a children's entertainer. So
while The Muppets is a kid friendly show, a kid
can watch it. It ran in like the evenings and it
was just a variety show where they had comedy bits

(01:39:02):
and Theydy talking about the seventies.

Speaker 4 (01:39:05):
Okay, I mean this is the time wind Tell it was,
but wild were stay like you could do a lot
of stuff.

Speaker 23 (01:39:09):
Well, there are tons of variety shows, right, so you
need what's your point of difference? You're like, we have
puppet characters in it. Yeah, but I don't think the
inclusion of puppets inherently means that it is a kids show.

Speaker 4 (01:39:19):
But can I say to you, like if you went
on a date with someone and then they were like,
I love the Muppets, let's sing the Muppet song?

Speaker 23 (01:39:25):
Depend how early in the days and what the context
of the was, Like, Hey, my name's ants and they're like,
let's sing the Muppets.

Speaker 4 (01:39:35):
I probably I think your full noise in the hotel
room in a state of andreas like, that's how far
into the date you are, and that that bust you're
out of there.

Speaker 23 (01:39:43):
That's Look, there's just one thing we have to get
out of the way. Yeah, you're right, but it's it's
context is very anyway on from the Muppets to K
Pop Demon Hunters. Free from K Pop Demon Hunters to
play us out tonight. Hither because the popular animated Netflix
show is going to get any sequel, It's been confirmed
that it's going to be released sometimes too. The original
two directors are.

Speaker 10 (01:40:01):
Going to be working on it.

Speaker 23 (01:40:02):
You'll be looking forward to that one.

Speaker 4 (01:40:03):
Well because that song a that golden song.

Speaker 23 (01:40:06):
I was so tempted. But yeah, obviously that there was
a listener band on that one.

Speaker 4 (01:40:10):
So thank you for thank thank you for respecting that
and much of Gracia. Okay, see you tomorrow. Fine, now.

Speaker 2 (01:40:27):
Something bro?

Speaker 4 (01:40:30):
Will you give me home? We can't, they said.

Speaker 14 (01:40:33):
If we love a facing, let the past be the
pastor's favos.

Speaker 1 (01:40:44):
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