Full Show Podcast: 13 November 2025

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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Pressing the newsmakers to get the real story. It's Heather
duplicy Ellen Drive with One New Zealand coverage like no
one else.

Speaker 2 (00:10):
News Talks Heavy.

Speaker 3 (00:13):
Afternoon.

Speaker 4 (00:13):
Welcome to the show. Coming up today the police Commissioner
after five on why they're still charging the woman and
many other questions. We still have a principal's take on
David Seymore blaming teacher strikes for dropping attendance starter and
Trump is in the Epstein files after all.

Speaker 2 (00:27):
I'll talk you through it, Heather duplicy Ellen.

Speaker 4 (00:30):
So it turns out the woman that with whom Jeffn
mcskimming had an affair, whose warnings police ignored, and who
police charged instead of investigating Jevin mcskimming is still facing charges.
This is the news today and the police are having
to defend this. Now. The charges don't relate to messages
that she sent about mcskimming. Those charges are being dropped.

(00:51):
They relate to messages that she allegedly sent to another policeman,
the officer who originally arrested her, and emails she allegedly
sent to his wife. Now, this is undoubtedly going to
look bad for police because it will look like they
are still persecuting a victim. But how about we take
the emotion out of it and look at it again.
Just because Jeff mcskimming is a creep and clearly the

(01:13):
villain of the story doesn't mean that she is necessarily innocent.
I mean, look at the allegations. Allegedly emailing a police
officer is one thing. Allegedly emailing his wife is something else.
And this is after some pretty bunny boiler behavior, including
sending three hundred emails to mc skimming and others over
a series of years. Now there will be some people

(01:34):
who have complete sympathy for her in this, who will
say that the allegations show that she is a woman
driven mad by being ignored and gas lit by the
very people as she was asking for help, And that
may well be true, and I suspect that it is,
and I feel sorry for her, and I feel sorry
for the horrible situation that Jeff mcskimming, the absolute creep,
has put her in, But I still don't think it
justifies alleged law breaking as a response, because that logic

(01:57):
is the very same logic that is used by the
soft who read cultural reports about offenders' childhoods and then
excuse them for what they did because what it was
originally done to them when they were kids. Do you
follow what I'm saying now? Having said all of that,
if you're of the view that she only sent a
bunch of emails, so who really cares? Then why do
we have the law? Now that's a fair debate. We
can have a debate about that law, because not everyone

(02:19):
loves the Harmful Digital Communications Act. But if the law exists,
and if you allegedly break that law and the police,
despite realizing how bad it will look for them to
charge you, still choose to charge you, then isn't there
a case to answer to?

Speaker 5 (02:33):
Ever?

Speaker 2 (02:34):
Do for ce Ellen's.

Speaker 6 (02:38):
N nine?

Speaker 4 (02:39):
Who is the text number? Standard text fee? Supply you're
welcome to text as I say, Richard Chambers the police
boss with us after that and a bunch of other
stuff after five Now, and you think Tank is calling
for Kiwi Savor for Kids? The Idea Institute is behind
the idea. They've put out a report looking at the
potential benefits of enrolling every New Zealand kid in a
saving scheme from birth. They reckon kids, can we save?

(03:00):
It could grow to be grow to be worth tens
of billions of dollars. Now, Max Rashbrook is an idea
institute founding trustee and with us himax, Hey.

Speaker 7 (03:09):
Yeah, that has the game.

Speaker 4 (03:10):
Well, very well, thank you. Where would the money come from.

Speaker 7 (03:14):
Well, we've sort of estimated in different ways that you
could run a scheme like this. They would probably cost
for first year to the government somewhere in the order
of twenty to eighty million dollars. So you'd have two options.
One you could fund that is new spending out of
tax revenue, or if you wanted to rethink the contributions
that are paid to adult ke we Save members at

(03:35):
the moment, there's hundreds of millions of dollars in that
which arguably isn't very well targeted. If you rescoped that
you could pretty easily free up the money to fund
the kids ki we Save a scheme in a cost
neutral fashion.

Speaker 4 (03:47):
Would you be putting how much would you be putting
in annually for the kids out of the government coffers.

Speaker 7 (03:52):
Well, again, there's different ways you could do it with
sort of modeled different forms of it depending on what
different political parties might want to do. But you know,
the kickstart payment could be somewhere in the order of
five hundred two thousand dollars just to get those accounts
going at birth, and then the government could be matching.
If parents put in say one hundred a couple hundred
dollars a year, the government could match that dollar for dollar.

(04:14):
Is another incentive for savings.

Speaker 4 (04:16):
How is this different from the super fund? I mean
the superfund is basically taking a bunch of money investing
it on behalf of everybody, and this is just taking
a bunch of money, putting it in your account and
having it invested on behalf of you.

Speaker 7 (04:28):
Yeah, there's some similarities with the super fund, which I
think is a good thing because I think that's a
bit of public policy that pretty much everyone agrees, you know,
has been successful. I think the difference would be is
that the superfund is just doing it all by itself
with no real connection to you. The New Zealand citizen,
the New Zealand parent kid's key we saver would be saying, look,
the dynamic of this. Like key we Saver as a

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partnership between the employer and the employee, this would be
a partnership between you as parents and the government. If
you put in a couple hundred dollars a year. The
government will put in a couple hundred dollars a year
as part of that compact and to encourage you to say, you.

Speaker 4 (05:04):
Can't end up in the same place, except parents are
incentivized to add to it. And also the kids, I
suppose learn a bit of financial literacy, don't they.

Speaker 7 (05:11):
Yeah, I think that would potentially be one of the
other advantages. I mean, obviously, the government's moving to make
financial literacy a compulsory part of the curriculum, and we
think that's an excellent idea. But you know, how much
more meaningful would that financial literacy education be in high
school classes of every child in that class knows they've
got a qs air account that's accumulating, and when they're
in eighteen, they'll have to make decisions about how to

(05:33):
invest it.

Speaker 4 (05:34):
What do you think, I mean, do you think that
you leave it for the kids to claim when they're
sixty five, or do you give them an opportunity to
take them out maybe for some university education when they're eighteen.

Speaker 7 (05:47):
Well, again, there's lots of different ways you could do it,
and we're sort of left that a bit open in
the report.

Speaker 4 (05:52):
I think that's what's your gut telling you. Because the
reason I'm asking, Okay, the reason I'm asking is because
I mean, it's one thing to have kind of you know,
this this compounding interest going on, and that's and investment
and stuff, and that's fantastic for you to get at
sixty five. But your education is such a such an
inflection point in your life, right. Imagine if you could
get one hundred thousand dollars out of it and pay

(06:14):
to go somewhere amazing like Harvard. Just the impact it
could have on your finances later in life.

Speaker 7 (06:20):
Yeah, And look, I think that's a fair argument. My
gut instinct is that it's good to keep things simple,
So I would have the accounts at age eighteen, just
roll over into classic can we save for accounts so
you can use them for retirement or first home deposit.
And one of the things I like about this kind
of scheme is if you think it's pretty plausible that

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kids could hit eighteen with ten to twenty thousand dollars
in their accounts, if they then saved through their twenties,
even you know they've done trades training, whatever, the working
as a plumber, they could plausibly have a house deposit
by age thirty with this scheme, and I like the
idea that you've brought that back within reach for people
that sort of dream of home ownership for the average case.

Speaker 4 (07:00):
Yeah, I think you're right actually about just leaving it
untouched and leaving it simple. Max, that's a great idea.
Thanks man appreciated. That's Max Rashbrook of the Idea Institute. Hither.
I started my daughter's key we Save her when she
was seven. She's now twenty seven and she's just bought
her first home. You go fourteen past four.

Speaker 2 (07:17):
It's the Heather to Bussy Allen Drive Full Show.

Speaker 1 (07:19):
Podcast on iHeartRadio powered by Newstalk ZB.

Speaker 4 (07:24):
Hither don't you think that by police charging this woman
it will no doubt make the compensation she's going to
receive great and give her a break, Nick, you're assuming
she's going to receive compensation. Is she even entitled to
compensation or is it just a moral obligation the police
feel if they pay her something? Full seventeen Sport with.

Speaker 1 (07:39):
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Speaker 4 (07:43):
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Speaker 8 (07:46):
Going to win on your show? During your show, what
is it?

Speaker 4 (07:50):
What do they need?

Speaker 8 (07:51):
Not a great deal more two from twenty eight balls.
So it looks like do you see on they're going
to roll the West Indies Chatman twenty off twelve, Conway
forty six off forty one, and I expect that'll be
the two runs they require.

Speaker 4 (08:06):
Still need one more runs.

Speaker 8 (08:07):
They just sorted through for a single, and that means
that Conway's on strike. So he's on forty six, so
they've given him that one delivery to hike it over
or to the boundary to rack up his fifty.

Speaker 4 (08:22):
What happened to the Windys? Does it just too cold
for them?

Speaker 8 (08:27):
It's really really hard to play in that part of
the world because it is cold, but also the bull's.

Speaker 4 (08:32):
Hooping war here we go, he's coming in.

Speaker 8 (08:35):
And he's attempted tripped and he's heard his foot. But
they weren't the game anyway. R eighteen bet responsible was
that was.

Speaker 4 (08:43):
Such a dull finish. I mean, I was expecting that,
as you said, like a good smash. It was not
even a great strike.

Speaker 8 (08:49):
Opportunity given, but.

Speaker 4 (08:52):
We went by eight. So that's drubbing.

Speaker 8 (08:54):
Let's talk about what's happening in tab Land and what
you're going to bet? As I said R eighteen bet response,
which is funny when it comes to me, because I'm
not very good at doing that. I thought I was
in last week with my four leg rugby multi and
I wasn't because you know what.

Speaker 4 (09:10):
Happened, Know what happened.

Speaker 9 (09:12):
Let me give you the Australia got beaten by Italy.
I mean of all of the games, I'm like.

Speaker 4 (09:18):
The Ausies are so inconsisty. Really really, it's like what
losing combination is.

Speaker 8 (09:25):
I've got a snorter for you. It's paying ten thousand,
six hundred and twenty three dollars per dollar invested. So
what I'm going for is six as eight games of
football over the next week, and I'm picking the drawers
for all of them. So what I've done is I
found the games where the odds are pretty close, like
you know, to sixty three twenty kind of like that,

(09:45):
not but completely imbalanced ones, but the ones that so
Slovakian ordn Island, Cape Verde, the I run an Ecuador
versus Canada, Who's best done? Egypt, Venezuela, Australia, USA para
Gua Mexico, Uruguay, Cameroon, and the Democratic Republic of Congo.
And if every one of those is a drawer, I will,

(10:07):
I will, I will win ten twenty three.

Speaker 2 (10:12):
I've only put a dollar on it.

Speaker 6 (10:14):
That's it.

Speaker 8 (10:15):
Why you'd say so, I'll have drinks all over me
if that one comes through. Anyway, enough of that, let's
move on to squad.

Speaker 4 (10:22):
What does it mean that the one hundred meter women's
final is going to be on day one?

Speaker 8 (10:27):
They've turned it right the way around. And we'll talk
more about that with Nicky Nichols, she's the chief officer
of the Olympic Committee on the show tonight. But what
I'm lead to believe is that the way the Americans
are putting this Olympic Games on, they actually need the
swimming in the second week, not the first week, because

(10:47):
of how they're going to set the swimming pools up
and where they're going to be. Also, there is no
public money involved in this. They're doing it by themselves,
so they want to start with a huge bang and
they want a lot of there.

Speaker 9 (11:00):
So to think of what should we do? I know
what we'll do.

Speaker 8 (11:03):
We'll start with some incredible finals. So for the one
hundred meter runners, the WAHA running one hundred meters, three
heats in the morning session, Cup of teena lie down,
and then they've got the semi finals, in the final.
At the end of it, they've got the women seven's on.
Maddie Weshi hopefully in the shop. Butch he'll be discussed,
she'll be she'll be also competed. I just get you

(11:25):
know that one of they're throwing a plate or a rock,
one of the two.

Speaker 4 (11:29):
It's a throwing thing.

Speaker 10 (11:30):
I don't know.

Speaker 9 (11:31):
The triathon's right at the start. You know what I
read today that they're looking like, get this, They're looking
like there are fourteen million tickets available for the two weeks.

Speaker 8 (11:45):
I thought that's got to be a typo, but I
don't think it is.

Speaker 4 (11:48):
Well, that would make sense.

Speaker 9 (11:50):
Fourteen million.

Speaker 4 (11:51):
I suppose that's quite a lot, because then you think
about it's a million tickets a.

Speaker 11 (11:54):
Day, seven million a week.

Speaker 4 (11:56):
Yeah, a million tickets a day.

Speaker 8 (11:57):
I suppose you've got to look at all the team
events in the side, the team events and all the
venues and do so.

Speaker 4 (12:02):
I was like, well, Jesus tells you how much money
they make it?

Speaker 9 (12:05):
Ah, yeah, I'll the old Olympic commits.

Speaker 8 (12:07):
You know what they'd be doing without money?

Speaker 3 (12:10):
No keeping it.

Speaker 4 (12:12):
Darcy, thank you very much. Is there such a main joke?
I don't know why I enjoyed it. That's true, It's true,
Darci Watergrave sports Stook Coast. Be back with us after seven.
Obviously it's full twenty two.

Speaker 2 (12:24):
The headlines and the hard questions. It's the mic asking breakfast.

Speaker 12 (12:28):
So let's look at the employment side of the mix
skimming scandals of Brian Roches. Of course, the Public Service
Commissioner and is with us.

Speaker 11 (12:33):
I think we're in a really difficult position.

Speaker 3 (12:35):
The public is asking very gathered questions.

Speaker 13 (12:37):
I think I said, how.

Speaker 12 (12:38):
Many questions should I ask you on costa? And you're
going to say I can't say anything that probably covers it.

Speaker 13 (12:42):
And I know that's frustrating, but I am not going
to create a technical foul.

Speaker 12 (12:46):
If you are in a job and you've done nothing
wrong in your new job, can you exit a person
with them having done something poorly in a previous job.

Speaker 14 (12:54):
I think the issue is if the information had been
available to you at the time of the employment, what
did it being relevant?

Speaker 4 (13:01):
That's the heart of this matter.

Speaker 12 (13:03):
Back tomorrow at six am the Mike Hosking Breakfast with Babies,
real Estate news talk z B on.

Speaker 1 (13:09):
Your smart speaker, on the iHeart app, and in your
car on your drive home, it's Heather Duplicy Ellen Drive
with One New Zealand and the power of satellite mobile
news talk.

Speaker 2 (13:19):
Sad b oh Man.

Speaker 4 (13:21):
I am still enjoying the Maori party business because it
drags on. So the latest is the news that all
four Maori MP's who aren't the co leaders, right, the
Maori MPs who aren't the co leaders met yesterday. So
it was Ordini kaiper Maria men Or Kapakini, Takuza Ferris
and then a representative for Hannah RAFHATI might be Clark
all got together without Debbie and RAWI now, hm, what

(13:45):
do you think is going on here? I mean it's
just in and of itself. The fact that Ordinium and
Hanna Rafati's mate has met with the two who've been
kicked out says enough. I think we may have more
to tell you a little bit.

Speaker 14 (13:57):
La.

Speaker 4 (13:58):
There's nothing major, like, there's no huge scandal going on,
but I think we have more to tell you. When
barries with us, we'll talk to him about that Heather,
Are they going to do an investigation to see if
that Sleezball is guilty of what she is saying? Now,
that's a fair question. What she's saying. This is the
woman has accused Jim k Skimming of allegations of sexual
interaction without consent, threats to use an intimate visual recording,

(14:19):
misuse of a police credit card, and police basically he
was booking hotel rooms and stuff like that with his
police credit card. Whether it hasn't resulted in charges, right,
so no charges have been laid, which suggests that an investigation. Well,
the question has an investigation done and no charges have
been laid or has no investigation been done? We'll ask
Richard Chambers when he's with us after five. He has
by the way fest up to speeding. So last Thursday

(14:45):
was this is Richard Chambers. Last Thursday, he was coming
home from the graduation of some new patrol dog teams
and he was pinged going one hundred and eleven in
a one hundred k zone on State Highway Too on
the Western Hut Road, and he copped himself an eighty
dollar ticket. What we've been told us that he so
he's driving in an unmarked police like it wasn't a
police car, unmarked car, and he was out of uniform,

(15:06):
and he's just cruising along and you know, like we've
all done it right, you go it's one hundred, which
means one hundred and ten, so you go one hundred
and ten. So he was going one hundred and ten
and then will you just glide over a weebit? Anyway,
so he saw the lights behind him and he was like,
I better get out of the way. So he pulled
over to side to let the police car go through,
except the police car pulled him behind him and was like, hello,
imagine what they felt like when they looked in the

(15:28):
window and their bosses looking back at them. Anyway, he's
with us. After five o'clock News is next.

Speaker 2 (15:38):
Cutting through the noise to get the facts.

Speaker 1 (15:40):
It's Heather Do for Cell and Drive with one New
Zealand coverage like no one else news talks.

Speaker 2 (15:46):
They'd be.

Speaker 4 (15:53):
Tad's police boss with us. After five o'clock David Seymour
seems to have wound the teachers and the principles up.
This is about the attendance start. So what he is
saying is if it wasn't for the teacher strikes, the
attendance starter would have been a whole lot better than
it has been. So this year it's actually attendance for
people who you know, kddies who are at school ninety

(16:14):
percent of the time has actually come back by one percent,
so it's actually dropped on last year. Now, he says
it was actually on track to be up on last
year if it wasn't for all of the strikes that
have been happening. So we'll have a chat to Kathy Chambers,
principle of Green Meadows and Intermediate School and head of
the Maneto were attendance service after five o'clock about quarter
past five. She's not stoked about it. And I'm going
to tell you about the Trump Epstein files, and just

(16:34):
to text twenty four away from five.

Speaker 2 (16:36):
It's the world wires on news talks.

Speaker 4 (16:39):
He'd be drive the US government shutdown is over.

Speaker 2 (16:43):
They thought it.

Speaker 6 (16:43):
Would be good politically, and it's an honor now to
sign his incredible bill and get our country working again.

Speaker 10 (16:52):
Thank you.

Speaker 4 (16:52):
It took Trump about five seconds to blame the Democrats.

Speaker 6 (16:57):
And Democrats tried to explore our kun chat.

Speaker 2 (17:00):
This court the.

Speaker 6 (17:00):
Country one point five trillion dollars this little excursion that
they took us up. Republicans never wanted a shut down
and voted fifteen times for a clean continuation of funding.

Speaker 4 (17:13):
The government is now funded until the end of January.
After that there may be another shutdown again. Over two
d twenty thousand pages rather worth of documents related to
Jeffrey Epstein have been released by the US House Oversight Committee.
Three of those emails mentioned Donald Trump by name. A
lawyer representing some of Epstein's victims says, it's now time
for the rest of the Epstein files to be released.

Speaker 8 (17:33):
Well, we have are these sort of three emails that
are almost cryptic, you know, talking about the dog that
doesn't bark.

Speaker 2 (17:40):
What this does is it begs for more contacts.

Speaker 14 (17:43):
Which is what myself, which is what all of the survivors,
which basically all of the United States of America has
been advocating for, is she just released the files and finally.

Speaker 12 (17:52):
Just the end of an era, and that the kids
won't know what pennies are anymore, and that nobody carries
cash and all the things and all the things.

Speaker 4 (18:00):
The US Mint has officially phased out the one cent coin.
The last penny was struck overnight. Our time pennies have
cost more than a cent each to mint since twenty ten,
and the five cent Nichola is still in circulation even
though it costs fourteen cents per coin to mint.

Speaker 1 (18:14):
International correspondence with Ends and Eye Insurance peace of mind
for New Zealand business.

Speaker 4 (18:20):
Murray Old's Ossie corresponds with us hamas very good afternoon.
The Libs have done it. They've dounped the net zero
by twenty fifty.

Speaker 2 (18:28):
Yes they have.

Speaker 10 (18:29):
They've rolled the dice. The Conservatives within the Liberal Party
at the federal level have have won the day. They've
won over the moderates. They've beaten the moderates who wanted
to hang on to net zero twenty fifty. That was
their position signed up to by Scott Morrison, the former
Liberal Prime minister. But this really look it's a tough.

(18:49):
It's a very tough position for the Liberals to take.
And i'll tell you why. Well, it's tough for Susan Lee,
who's still on their feet speaking in Canberra right now,
buying this decision. It's tough on two levels. They're going
to try and sell it as a win for Australians
who are battling ever higher power bills, and you can't

(19:10):
deny that is very much the case the power bills.
I mean, you know Anthony Alberd he's said we're going
to cut power bills by two hundred and seventy five dollars.

Speaker 2 (19:18):
Well, what why?

Speaker 10 (19:20):
That didn't happen. In fact, bills went north. And so
that's the way the Liberals are going to frame it.
But here's the thing. There are two things that you're
going to have to say about that. Business groups here,
the biggest business lobbies in the country, and the National
Farmers Federation, three very powerful institutions here. They all said,
you cannot dump this. You can't keep yo yelling on policy.

(19:43):
If you want investment in this country, you have to
it will have a position and stick to it. Now,
the Liberal Party has been tearing itself to pieces, heather,
as you and I both know, for a.

Speaker 2 (19:53):
Decade or more.

Speaker 10 (19:54):
It's just this festering saw that won't go away. So
you've got the business lobby and farmers against this, and
you've also got anyone under the age of thirty thirty
five is going to look at this think here's a
party run by old blokes and suits who don't believe
in climate change, why not going to vote for them? Ever?
And the only people who left to vote for the
conservative liberal rump, they're going to be old white men

(20:16):
with very poor education, a bit like we saw in
the United States who voted for Trump. You know, it's
so tough and Susan Lee now is you know, she's
basically stuck her own head on the pole outside Parliament
House because she said, you know, we have to keep nets,
you have to get more until we don't. So it's
been so tough on her and these right wings, the

(20:39):
right wingers in the Liberal Party have been tearing it
down from the day she was elected. It's just such
a tough gig for you.

Speaker 4 (20:44):
Do you think do you think her leadership is now
basically done?

Speaker 12 (20:47):
Oh?

Speaker 10 (20:47):
I think so, I think so. I think it's just
a question of timing now, Heather. But here's the thing
with Labour ninety four seats, the coalition forty forty three.
You look, you know, unless there's something catastrophic, it happens
to Labor. The opposition's got another two years of this
term of government and then two more terms, so that's
like eight eight years, eight or nine years. Now who

(21:08):
wants that gig. Gee whiz, that's a tough gig. But
you know, these thrusting blokes and blue suits and the
right well you know, I bet they have their hands
out in the new year.

Speaker 4 (21:17):
Yeah maybe so. Hey, I see our mate, the neo
Nazis out of jail.

Speaker 10 (21:22):
Oh he is? This is this Thomas Saul. I hate immigration, Tommy, Tommy,
you were born in New Zealand, vape. He was bailed
that he spent two months in jail. They charged over
this neo Nazi attack. Horrible, horrible attack on an indigenous
camp that has been set up in Melbourne. It's called
Camp Sovereignty and for whatever reason, the neo Nazis thought,

(21:44):
here's some Indigenous Australian, let's go and attack their camp.
Well that didn't work so well for Thomas Sull and
fourteen others. The Saul himself is facing twenty five charges,
you know, and very serious. I mean you're talking decent
jail time if if he's convicted. Back in all was
the magistrate said this guy, so you're a dangerous to

(22:04):
the rest of the community. I'm going to lock you up.
He has appealed and he's out today. Depending of course,
more court dates to face these charges about this attack
on the camp.

Speaker 4 (22:16):
Myles, thanks very much. You look after yourself. It's Murray
Old's Australia correspondent coming up eighteen away from five.

Speaker 2 (22:21):
Heather do for Cela.

Speaker 4 (22:23):
Yeah, the David Seymour was right with the strike on Thursday.
My wife decided by we blame your wife, you participated.
My wife decided to take an extra long weekend as
the including the Friday. The kids were going to be
doing cuppahuker for most of the day, so no real
learning was going to be done. Oh yeah, well everybody
did that, didn't they yet? The strike on the Thursday,
even the teachers did it. Strike on the Thursday. Then

(22:43):
everybody went away on the Friday. Then you had labor Monday,
labor weekend and it was Monday. That was an awesome break,
thanks very much to the teacher's attendance record went back.
So anyway, we'll talk to Kathy about it. Kathy the principle.
Now the emails, as I told you, have been released,
including Trump's name three times in the Epstein files. Now
probably the I'm just gonna stay right off the bat.
It's not incriminating, So anybody who's like, oh, I got him,

(23:04):
I got him. No, they didn't. They haven't got him yet,
not yet. Maybe they will, but maybe they won't, but
they haven't yet. So the most incriminating email is the
one that is from Epstein to his fixer Gilaine in
April twenty eleven, and it reads, I want you to
realize that that dog hasn't barked as Trump. Then redacted

(23:26):
name spent hours at my house with him. Now the
redacted name the girl who spent hours at the house
with him, is believed to be Virginia Guphrey. Virginia Deufrey
has gone out of her way to say Donald Trump
never did anything wrong. Now you might question her motivation
for saying that right, and you might get well, I
wonder why why is she going out of her way

(23:47):
to protect her whatever whatever. We don't know. We'll have
to take her at her word. She says Donald like,
of all the people she's named and shamed, and there
are prime ministers in there and stuff, well one prime
minister in there and whatnot, she hasn't named Donald Trump
as an abuser. So I don't know what I mean.
You have to wonder what they did for ours, probably
unlikely having a cup of tea. But anyway, that's that.

(24:09):
We're going to talk to bo bo Is bo Erickson,
who's with Reuters in Washington. He's going to talk us
through it shortly. I've got a lot of stuff to
talk to you about read Jeff mcskimming before we get
to Richard Chambers. But one of the things that I
need to raise with Richard Chambers is just the money.
So JEVIMC skimming. I don't know if you're aware, but
he made an absolute mint of us even after we
found out, even after he was stood down when it

(24:30):
was clear that he'd been looking at kiddy and animal porn.
He was put on paid leave for five months and
probably earned about a quarter of a million dollars while that.
Then he's going to have a whole bunch of other
money like leave payments and holiday payments and stuff like
that that are due to him, and notice payments and stuff.
The real big question is what do we do about
his pension, because he will be on a very nice,
thank you very much police pension scheme, and can Richard

(24:52):
Chambers please cut that off because he's a creep. We'll
ask Richard about that sixteen away from five.

Speaker 1 (24:57):
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Speaker 4 (25:01):
We're going to have to talk about Simon Watson, the
thing that he said when we get a chance. Thirteen
away from five. Barry so Per, Senior Political Correspondence with US. Hello, Barry,
good afternoon.

Speaker 9 (25:09):
The mind boggles.

Speaker 4 (25:11):
Stay tuned, Barry. What is going on with the Maori Party?

Speaker 9 (25:15):
Well, that's what I'd like to know. What is going
on with the Malory Party because if you check out
their website, yes, their Mighty Clark hanahway, No, she's Mighty
Clark's there. Yes, that's what I'm saying it. Mighty Clark
is there along with the co leaders and under the

(25:37):
headliners to party Maori members of Parliament. Well, where is
Orny Coprara? Yeah, well she's not there. So it does
beg the question, doesn't it? What's going on here? And
the thing is Copra and Mighty Clark haven't yet spoken
publicly since everything went barely up in the Maori Party. Copra,

(25:59):
though you were a member, posted on social media her
support for Kappakinhi late last month. She said I'm still here,
she wrote, standing by you, for you.

Speaker 15 (26:11):
And with you.

Speaker 9 (26:12):
The fight will continue, but for now rest is required.
Well you know that's interesting, isn't it. And then Mapi Clark,
she wrote on her social media page, I've made the
decision for our Rohi, the hierarchy Waikato to hold the line.
I'm not sure exactly what that means, but look, if
they lose half their caucus, you've got to say they

(26:35):
do have not insignificant problems in the Maldi party.

Speaker 4 (26:39):
I mean, the next time fair to say that looking
at the comments that they've both made. These are the
young mpsy. Looking at the comments that they've both made,
and the fact that they've had this meeting yesterday, that
it looks like there's a defection or any kaiper has
defected to the two ousted MPs and Han Rafiti's still
sticking with the Maori Party.

Speaker 9 (26:59):
Well, yes, you could say that, although I haven't seen
neither of neither of the matt parliament since today. Takuta
Ferris was there and you'll hear from him to turn up.
It turned up, for so did Kapakinghi. She was there,
but the co leadership wasn't there.

Speaker 10 (27:20):
It's like.

Speaker 4 (27:22):
She's the weird Okay, listen, this treaty obligation stuff with
the school boards is back in Parliament.

Speaker 9 (27:27):
Well, yes it was this afternoon. The issue, of course
should be championed by the Maldi Party, but of course
none of the Maldi Party were there today the removal
of the Treaty of White hanging from the school's country
school boards the co leadership, they weren't there. But the
new Independent MP Takuta Ferris was there doing battle over

(27:49):
the issue. But not before the Greens Lawrence ju Nan
had to go at the Education Minister, Erica Stanford.

Speaker 16 (27:57):
Who does she think is more committed to your her
coalition government or the coalition made up of eighty eight EWI,
over ninety five thousand teachers, Principles schools and KUDA opposing
her repeat of Section one twenty seven sub Subsection to
E of the Education and Training Act.

Speaker 5 (28:16):
The person who has committed to the treaty is the
Minister of Education. Here we are having a debate about
the Treaty of whiteitngy in a school board's responsibility, when
we should be talking about Marii achievement, because that's what
this government has been doing.

Speaker 11 (28:31):
We are raising Marii achievement.

Speaker 5 (28:33):
Unlike the last.

Speaker 11 (28:33):
Lot Suprementary takut De Ferris, what action.

Speaker 15 (28:37):
Is the Minister taking so the EWE chairs petition to
protect taxidity and education.

Speaker 5 (28:42):
I am actively seeking a meeting with EWE chairs to
discuss the responsibility that the Crown has for the treaty.

Speaker 9 (28:49):
Now, it just occurred to me that given Takuta Ferris's
opposition to Asians campaigning and a Maori electorate that basically
following Ju Nan who was born in China.

Speaker 4 (29:03):
Yeah, I don't know how he feels him weighing the debate.

Speaker 9 (29:08):
That's why it had appealed to me, I thought. Following
on from that, So yeah.

Speaker 4 (29:12):
Okay, listen, I'm Donald Trump. Have you got your TDS ready?
Let's go.

Speaker 11 (29:16):
Let's go.

Speaker 9 (29:17):
No, no, I don't have any tds. But look, interestingly,
in the two hundred twenty fifteen email egged Donald Trump
on or egged the situation on when basically Epstein said
that he could produce photos of Donald and girls in

(29:38):
bikinis in my kitchen. So no less then the late
Jennifer Dufrey or Dufrey sorry said she was a teenage
spa attended Mary Lago when she was poached by in
two thousand by Maxwell to work for Epstein. Interestingly, Maxwell's

(30:01):
now serving, of course, as we all know, a twenty
year prison term. But after being interviewed by the Deputy
Attorney General, she's been shifted to a minimum security prison,
which we're told she's rather enjoying. So the White House spokesperson,
Carolyn Levitt, she said Democrats selectively linked those emails to

(30:22):
create a fight, fight, negative or narrative to smear the president.

Speaker 17 (30:26):
He was from Palm Beach, and so was Jeffrey Epstein.
Jeffrey Epstein was a member at mar A Lago until
President Trump kicked him out because Jeffrey Epstein was a
pedophile and he was a creep in this email you
refer to with the name of a victim that was
unredacted now and has since been reported on in this room.

Speaker 18 (30:44):
So I will go ahead and.

Speaker 17 (30:46):
Say it, Virginia Guffrey, and God rest her soul, that
she maintained that there was nothing inappropriate. She ever witnessed
that President Trump was always extremely professional and friendly to her.
This administration has done more with respect to transparent and
see when it comes to Jeffrey Epstein than any administration ever.

Speaker 4 (31:04):
Now they're talking.

Speaker 17 (31:05):
About it all of a sudden because President Trump is
in the Oval office. But when Joe Biden was sitting
in there, the Democrats never brought this up. This wasn't
an issue that they cared about because they actually don't
care about the victims in these cases. They care about
trying to score political points against President Trump.

Speaker 9 (31:20):
Yeah, and of course Joe Biden had nothing to do
with Jeffrey hits.

Speaker 4 (31:25):
I understand it very so for Senior political correspondence seven
away from five, right. So the Germans walked in with goes, oh,
here's another poll for you, walked in with a bunch
of papers. I said, Oh, let me guess it's a
Talbot Mills poll. And what a surprise. Yes, once again,
the Talbot Mills poll is released the day after the
Taxpayer's Union Curier Pole showing a different result. So, according

(31:45):
to the Talbot Mills poll, the Labor Party is on
thirty eight percent, which is the highest it's been in
three years. And they are obviously attributing that to the
fact that we are so excited about the capital Games
tax announcement, they were all flocking to the Labor Party.
Here are the numbers. Labor's on thirty eight percent, up
three National is on thirty three percent, so trailing by

(32:05):
quite a bit up four. The Greens are on nine percent.
They've come back one. New Zealand First is on eight percent.
They've come back four. ACT is on seven percent. They've
come back one and the Maldi Party has lost a
third of its voter is on two point four. Now
I don't know. I mean like this is a little
bit less credible than the other pole, only because the

(32:26):
Taxpayers Union Cole poll suggested that where Labor was getting
its vote stealing votes from the Greens. Because you know
the Green voters love a tax. This one suggests they're
stealing votes from I don't know, New Zealand first. Do
New Zealand first. A New Zealand first vote is just
gagging for a capital gains tax. Probably not anyway, look for.

Speaker 10 (32:45):
This in the future.

Speaker 4 (32:46):
You'll set the little pattern repeating itself through time. Richard Chambers,
police Commissioner with US next miss.

Speaker 16 (32:53):
For a new person over again.

Speaker 1 (33:00):
Drive show you can truck to ask the question, you
get the answers and give the analysis. Here the duplicyl
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Speaker 2 (33:13):
There the.

Speaker 4 (33:15):
Afternoon. Police are today defending the fact that they are
still prosecuting the woman at the center of the Gevin
Mcskimming saga. Now it's not for the emails that she
sent him and other officials. Those charges have been dropped.
It's related to alleged harrising emails she later sent the
officer who originally arrested her, and also emails she allegedly
sent that officer's wife. Richard Chambers is the police commissioner

(33:36):
and with us High Richard, Hello Heather Richard. In some
people's eyes, this is not a good look for police.
Are you confident you're doing the right thing?

Speaker 3 (33:44):
Well, look, we police have instructed as senior criminal barrister,
you know, to deal with us for police, and it's
obviously highly inappropriate for me to comment about it. You know,
some of the stuff that we've been dealing with this
weak relate to seeingior officers interfering in processes. But one
thing I can say heither is that, of course I

(34:06):
have reassured myself and assured myself that the proper processes
have been followed in bringing this case. So you know,
I've just got to let that take its course. It's
a judicial process and I cannot get involved.

Speaker 4 (34:18):
What does it mean that you've hired a senior criminal barrister?
Does that mean it's been done independently of police?

Speaker 3 (34:23):
Well, that does help. It's always good to have whilst
we've instructed a seeing your barrister, it's always good to
have that opinion across it as well. And that's the
right thing to do. To take it away from police,
albeit they are instructed on behalf of this, But take
it away now.

Speaker 4 (34:37):
Are you telling me that this is a decisions are
being made about prosecution here by the barrister rather than
by officers.

Speaker 3 (34:43):
No, no, no, not at all hither. No, I understand
that input was sought from independent people and on behalf
of Crown law. And you know that's the right thing
to do in a situation like this.

Speaker 4 (34:55):
Do you mean it's like a second set of eyes
to say, yep, this this meets what a test it
needs to beat.

Speaker 3 (35:01):
That's absolutely absolutely, that's the process. And that's that's what
I mean when I talk about seeking some assurance that
the proper processes have been followed, because look, I would
be very very concerned if proper process hadn't been followed,
because that's one of the things that I've been fronting
the media this week to just don't explain on my
in respect of my predecessors. So you know that we

(35:23):
have to be very very careful as we step through that,
and you can obviously.

Speaker 4 (35:27):
Now look, please just feel free to say you can't
answer questions if you can't answer questions, but I am
going I'm going to try and ask you some questions, Okay.
So what I want to know is there will be
people who say that this woman should be let off
the hook because the reason that she is behaving the
way that she's allegedly behaving is because she's been driven
mad by police. What do you say to that?

Speaker 3 (35:46):
Yes, look, I can't. I don't want to get drawn
into that, Heather, as much as I appreciate people will want.

Speaker 4 (35:53):
You, can you tell me whether you've done a public like,
whether you've done a public interest test on prosecuting her?

Speaker 3 (36:00):
Of course, is that that's that's absolutely that's the case.
That's very important when we make decisions around prosecution.

Speaker 4 (36:08):
Have you investigated the allegations she made against Sheeva mc skimming,
the stuff about you know, wanting to blackmail who with
photos and stuff like that, Well.

Speaker 3 (36:16):
That's all been part of the work that police has done.
Once in November last year, once everything was put in
place in the way that it should have been right
at the very beginning. Once that was done and there
was a lot of all the right things were put
in place, independent oversight from the i p C, a
support from Crown Law, all sorts of.

Speaker 4 (36:36):
With any of that.

Speaker 3 (36:38):
No, there are still aspects of that that are being
followed up, but the primary allegation has been dealt with
and the decision balancing that against.

Speaker 2 (36:48):
You.

Speaker 4 (36:48):
Guys are obviously still looking into the stuff about him
using his credit card and all that kind of like
police problems, police policy. But what about the criminal stuff
that she's alleged. Has that been in charge?

Speaker 3 (36:59):
Yes, of, very very thoroughly. That's what that's what was
put in place in November last year, when it was
done properly, Once we put the proper things.

Speaker 4 (37:07):
In place, Richard cans can I say no charges have
come about as a result of her allegations against him
read the criminal stuff.

Speaker 3 (37:15):
Yes, that decision and we've said that publicly. That has
come out earlier that that those decisions have been made.
Once the thorough investigation was completed. And independent advice was
sought and taken them. That has all been part of
the decision, maybe to ensure that.

Speaker 4 (37:30):
Is it because there wasn't enough evidence or because it
wasn't true.

Speaker 3 (37:35):
Look, I don't want to I cannot comment on the
detail of that either. I'm sorry. I appreciate this interest,
but I can't. I can't comment on that.

Speaker 4 (37:41):
Okay, do you intend because look, there are a bunch
of police officers here who have been been implicated in
the IPCA report, but who have gone on to retire.
A couple of them, ones gone off to work at
the CIA, just basically got on with their lives. Are
you going to investigate them or is someone going to
investigate them with you to potentially charging them.

Speaker 3 (38:03):
Either. Look at if they were still members of the
New Zealand Police then obviously employment investgations would be a consideration.
But when you're no longer a member of police, that's
not possible. But that said, we are progressing with three
employment investigations at the moment. If we identified if something
was identified of a criminal nature on the face of it, yes,

(38:24):
of course we would do that, whether you're a member
of police or not.

Speaker 4 (38:27):
Is this not perversion of the course of justice.

Speaker 3 (38:30):
Well, I have already asked for my specialist investigators with
senior oversight to have a look at that because I
want to be reassured that there's nothing more to see here.
So I've asked that. I haven't got that answer yet
because they'll just take a little bit while for right.

Speaker 4 (38:46):
So they're having a look at it, and as a
result of what they determine, there may be charges in
an investigation, or they may not.

Speaker 3 (38:53):
If it suggested that there's something that we may need
to look at here, then of course we would do
that because that's our job.

Speaker 4 (38:58):
Okay, Now what about the pensions, right, because Geevin mcskimming
is going to be on a sweet little wicket the
rest of his life as a result of working for
the cops. Can you take that often?

Speaker 3 (39:08):
No, it's not something that I can do. It's not
it's not what I do as a Commissioner of Police.
It's not my jurisdiction. So no, I can't. Well, it's
certainly not the places. I mean, we have it. We
have a very good pension scheme in police, but it's
not it's not managed and led by police. It's for police.

Speaker 4 (39:26):
It's not those guys who do the MP pay? Is
it the rem authority? Is it them?

Speaker 3 (39:31):
No, it's a police super How much does he do
to get I wouldn't have a clue either. Actually, I
don't really care, to be honest, It's not my problem.
He's moved on from the police. That's a good thing.

Speaker 4 (39:44):
I feel like you have enough to care about at
the moment. How about your speeding fine.

Speaker 3 (39:48):
Oh, I wasn't Wasn't that a shocker? Look a lot
of people have had a laugh at my expense, Heather,
and I'm okay with that. I've owned it. You know,
it shouldn't have happened. I felt terrible because I put
my colleagues in that position. But you know, hey, on
these things right.

Speaker 4 (40:04):
Is it true? Then you were cruising down the road
and you saw the lights behind you and you pulled
over to let them through, and was surprised when they
pulled over behind you.

Speaker 3 (40:11):
Yes, it absolutely was here. The Yes, I was going
about my daily duties and pulled over to do the
right thing. It's what you do when you see lights
and signs behind you, and was a little bit shocked
when they pulled them behind me.

Speaker 4 (40:23):
I thought, now, you know how the rest of us
feel yes, yes, yes, not good.

Speaker 3 (40:29):
But anyway, there's only one person to blame and that's
must up.

Speaker 4 (40:32):
Too, right Richard, thanks very much, appreciate your time. Richard Chambers,
Police Commissioner, fourteen past five. Hey, you'll remember I was
telling you to jump on the YouTube last week, right
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(40:53):
hundred and ninety dollars plus on road costs will get
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byd Atto two. This is a compact suv designed for families,

(41:15):
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(41:36):
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Speaker 2 (41:42):
Dealer Heather D plus c Allen Heather.

Speaker 4 (41:45):
I like this guy, that's Richard Chambers. He seems honest.
Well that's that's quite a compliment given what's been going
on with the honesty and other police officers. Eighteen past five.
Now David Seymour is blaming striking teachers for a drop
in school attendance. Here reckons attendance was on track to
be one percent higher than last year, but because of
the strikes, it's now down one percent on last year. Now,

(42:05):
Kathy Chambers are charmers rather rather is the principle of
Green Meadows Intermediate and the head of Monye were attendant
servicing with us. Now, Hi, Kathy, Hi there, how are you?
I'm very well. Thank you.

Speaker 19 (42:16):
As David right, Well, I don't want to challenge whether
he's right or wrong, but what I would say is
that typically the last week of the term, attendance is
historically the patent drops. But also I think we need

(42:36):
to remember that parents are the ones who are legally
responsible for their child's attendance.

Speaker 4 (42:42):
And this sounds like he's right, doesn't it.

Speaker 19 (42:47):
No, what I was actually going to say was blaming
it on the teacher's participating in a lawful strike is
a bit disingenuous because, in my opinion, first off, attendance
isn't recorded on those days, so the days themselves would
have had no impact on attendance. And the second thing

(43:08):
is that if a parent lets their child stay home
for other days, you know that's a parent parental choice.
Not right, but it's a little bit tricky blaming that
on teaching.

Speaker 4 (43:21):
Okay, but I so can I take from what you've
said that given that we don't count a strike day
as an attendance a lack of attendance, we would though,
so we wouldn't count that Thursday, but we would count
the friday between the strike and labor weekend, and that
friday whole bunch of kids didn't turn up and that Friday,
that that.

Speaker 19 (43:39):
Day, historically, I can speak in our area, I can
speak for my school historically, that last day before the
long weekend, we get a lot of students not turning
up to school. Okay, So I just think it's a
little bit disingenuous what I do know, And I'm remember

(44:00):
it's only secondary schools that were on strike at that time.
There were no primary schools on strike in the last
week of two So the data really only reflect that
he's referring to is only relevant to the secondary school
secondary schools, primary schools were at school. And the other
thing you know this he has acknowledged the high levels

(44:23):
of illness that happened in term three and that would
have had a significant impact on data as well.

Speaker 4 (44:30):
Kathy, Look, it's good to talk to you. I really
appreciate your time, as Kathy Charmers, who is the Green
Meadows Intermediate School lead principle of the Manyeua Attendance Service
as well. Five twenty one. Right, let's talk next about
whether we need another investigation into these cops.

Speaker 1 (44:42):
Hard questions, strong opinion here the dupis el and drive
with one new Zealand tand of power of satellite mobile
news dogs.

Speaker 4 (44:50):
That'd be five twenty four now apropos what I was
just talking to the Police commissioner about. I don't think
this IPCA report can be the end of the matter
with these police officer. I think they have to be investigated,
and I'm I'm not talking about another inquiry. I feel
like I know enough from the IPCA report to know
what's pretty much gone down here. What I would like
to see is an investigation to determine where the charges

(45:11):
need to be laid, because I want to know if
these guys broke the law, and if they did, I
want to know that they will be charged. And I'm
very pleased to hear Richard Chambers say they have already
got officers starting this and looking at this because right now,
unless of course, something changes, not all of them, but
some of them are just going to get away without
any consequences for what is being called a cover up.
Tanya Kuta, for example, former Deputy Commissioner, She kept worrying

(45:32):
about the impact the allegations would have on ck Skimming's career.
She kept mix Skimming up to date on investigations into
the emails She is the one that Costa wanted as
the only other person along with himself, to investigate the
woman's complaints. She visited MC skimming at his house after
he was charged with having kiddy porn. She just got
to retire from the job and walk away this year

(45:53):
Former Assistant Commissioner Paul Basham, who the IPCA report says
was unreasonably preoccupied, excuse me, with making sure that MC
skimming was not unfairly disadvantaged and trying to get the
commissioner's job, and who another junior officer said, seemed focused
on getting this out of the way so MC skimming
could apply for the commissioner's role. He just got to
resign from the job this year and walk away. And

(46:15):
Andrew Costa, who's the man at the center of all
of this. Yes, he will lose his government job, but
again after that, he's just gonna walk away with all
that money. This is the most serious thing to happen
to the police in decades. It is as serious as
the Louis Nicholas allegations in its own way because of
how far up it goes, and that alone means the
police at the center of this must be investigated so

(46:36):
that if they did wrong deliberately, they are punished like
anyone would be, and if their only crime was believing
a liar's story, then they are vindicated. Either way, it
suits everyone to have an investigation. Here together do for
see Ellen, he the good on Chambers. He sounds authentic.
No word salid employed here.

Speaker 6 (46:53):
Do you know what?

Speaker 4 (46:53):
Thank you Hugh for that text. I feel like every
time somebody comes on this show and actually just answers
and talks like a normal human being, And can I
say it's the same for Brian Roach this morning with Mike.
I was listening to him thinking how refreshing to just
hear a normal human being talk on the radio. Every
time somebody does that, I think we have to give
them a shout out so that the people who don't
do that just get it, like, go, oh, is that

(47:14):
what it sounds like to sound like a normal person.
So we just kind of encourage, you know, through incentives.
You know, you do that with Toddler's you go, oh,
look at how good that person's being. Then hopefully the
Toddler will be like that too. We're going to use
the same theory with people who appear on the radio.
Listen there's something very cool that's happening outside of Wellington
at the moment. Gareth Morgan, me old mate, is building
a sculpture park in the land near Transmission Gully because

(47:37):
he you'll know this about him, loaded, just absolutely loaded.
And so he's bought himself a golf I remember when
he got into this thing, you're a buying golf course.
Then they brought himself a golf course. And now he
appears to be just like going nuts over there. And
if you're driving around to Transmission Gully you can actually
see some of his sculptures. There's a giant orange park bench.
That is what he's into, right, So he's got eight

(47:57):
sculptures already. He's going to buy some more and then
in spring he's going to open a giant sculpture trail
for everybody to be able to enjoy. Now knowing Gareth
and his wife Joe eclictic doesn't do them. Eclictic is
not a word that goes far enough for how loopy
these two can be and how zany and how fun
they are. So trust me, it will be fun when

(48:18):
it happens. What a great idea and how good of
him to do that. Right, we'll get to the Epstein stuff.

Speaker 1 (48:23):
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Speaker 2 (48:39):
They'd be.

Speaker 4 (48:45):
Just out on banking. If the bank profits are making
you feel squeamish, you might be pleased to know that
the government has announced it's going to act on all
nineteen recommendations from Parliament's Banking inquiry. But what you may
also be unhappy to know is that so what's not
going to do there anything? We're going to talk to
Kent Dunstan, who's with the Banking Reform Coalition? After six
o'clock the huddles standing by twenty four away from six

(49:07):
right now. Now, the longest shutdown in United States history
is over. Congress's voted to end it. Trump assigned the paperwork.
But Trump's got a new problem. Emails have been released
proving he is in the Epstein files. Bo ericson a
is Reutter's US politics correspondent High bo Hello, Now what
we've seen in these emails doesn't look particularly incriminating for Trump,
does it.

Speaker 20 (49:27):
So there were a lot of emails released today by Democrats.
And that is important to note because it is a
political act of releasing these emails. It is from the
opposing party of President Trump. He's with the Republicans. These
are from the Democrats. And so when we are looking
through some of these emails today, there are some, you know,
maybe more juicier tidbits, but it's important to note that

(49:52):
there is a lack of contact with a lot of
these emails. Or it's not immediately clear what Epstein or
Glenn Maxwell, his girlfriend who is no serving a twenty
year prison sentence, trying to facilitate these sex crimes. It's
not really clear what they are talking about. So the
White House is saying that this is a political stunt,

(50:12):
but the Democrats are moving forward on another procedural process
as well.

Speaker 4 (50:16):
So bo probably the most incriminating thing is the email
that said redected persons spent hours at my house with him,
being Donald Trump, and that would be Virginia Giufry apparently,
But Virginia Giufray has herself said Donald Trump did nothing wrong.
So even the most incriminating thing is not particularly incriminating.

Speaker 20 (50:34):
Is it, Yes, And that is what Republicans are really
latching on to today. This story definitely has gotten a
lot of tension in the United States. We have members
of Congress who are just wrapped with going after this subject.
But it is also not new that President Trump knew

(50:55):
Jeffrey Epstein. That has been out in the ether. What
is new is this kind of rip drip drip of
just some of these emails. You know, there also is
a question about some type of credibility here. This is
Epstein in some of these emails, seeing some pretty gross things.
Try it on, must rationalize some of his crimes. And

(51:16):
you know there is another person involved in these emails,
an American author whose work has really been questioned by
an independent journalist for years.

Speaker 4 (51:24):
Oh, you'll be talking with Michael Wolfe. Okay, bo listen,
thanks very much appreciated, bo Erickson, Reuter's US political correspondent.
If you've been waiting, by the way, if you've been
waiting for me to get stuck into Simon Watts, and
I'm going to get stuck into Simon Watts. I have
to do it before six o'clock five. It's twenty two
away from six.

Speaker 1 (51:39):
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Speaker 4 (51:45):
On the huddle with me this evening, we have Bridget
Morton of Frank's Ogilvy and Phil Goff, former labor leader
and mayor of Auckland, amongst other things.

Speaker 13 (51:52):
Hi you too, good day.

Speaker 4 (51:54):
Now, Bridget, you're a lawyer, So tell me. Are you
comfortable with police pressing new charges against the woman at
the scene or the mix skimming case?

Speaker 7 (52:01):
No?

Speaker 3 (52:02):
Absolutely not.

Speaker 18 (52:02):
And I think this shows an inherent flaw in this
piece of legislation that it can often be used and
weaponized against speech that we do think is true or
needs to be public interest or you know, shouldn't be
punishable in this way. And I think it gives us
a really good opportunity to re look at that legislation
and really determine actually whether or not it's actually helping

(52:23):
us or harming us.

Speaker 4 (52:24):
Okay, so is your problem actually more with the legislation
than anything the fact it exists?

Speaker 18 (52:29):
Well, I think the fact that the way the legislation
is drafted clearly demonstrates that it can be used in
this way. I think we do want to have protections
for people from online harm. I think there's a lot
of bad things that can occur in that way. But obviously,
when you've got an organization like this can use it
basically to cover up in a way to intimidate, it
shows that the legislation is not such a purpose.

Speaker 4 (52:50):
But what about the fact bridget that. I mean, we
don't know what she says. So the charges against the
mix skimming email charges have been dropped, but these are
fresh emails allegedly sent to a police officer and his wife.
We don't know what was in them. That maybe whatever
is said and it may not be true, right, So
in that case, would that be fair?

Speaker 2 (53:08):
Yeah?

Speaker 18 (53:09):
I think there is obviously a line that needs to
be determined. But when you think about the wider context,
what we want is a situation where people can speak
up against power and can speak up when they are
in a situation. And it may be sometimes that what's
the content of those emails may not be comfortable to
us or may be seen this pushing too far, But
that's what we ask from our activists, from the people

(53:30):
that actually make change in this world.

Speaker 4 (53:32):
Yeah, what do you reckon film?

Speaker 13 (53:34):
Yeah, Look, she may well have been abusive in the
ten emails she sent to the police, officer and his
wife that was responsible for the prosecution against her. But
you've got to see it within the context of the
fact that she was not being listened to, clearly under
the influence of nick skimming. It looked very much like

(53:56):
the police were protecting their own And you know, was
she angryuse she was angry, and she had every right
to be angry. I think in the overall context of
the damage that was done to her by the failure
to treat her fairly overwhelms the charge against her that
she may have been abusive to the detective and his

(54:16):
wife that were responsible for prosecuting her.

Speaker 4 (54:18):
Okay, do you want to see an investigation to determine
whether something illegal has been done by these officers, phil.

Speaker 2 (54:26):
Well?

Speaker 13 (54:27):
I think the officers that are still in the police,
their careers will now be in jeopardy. They'll have no
future in the police. And the officers, including Andy Costa,
that now hold positions outside of police but still within
the public service, are not likely to be holding onto

(54:48):
those positions given the damaging the damage to their reputation
caused by what they did wrong. I don't know that
it coruption.

Speaker 18 (55:01):
I know that the.

Speaker 13 (55:04):
Minister said that if it walks like a duck and
quacks like a duck and then it is a duck.
I think it's just seriously bad misjudgment on the part
of Andy Costa. And here's a price to pay for that.

Speaker 4 (55:17):
What do you reckon bridge? Should there be an investigation?

Speaker 18 (55:20):
I think what needs to happen now is the police
need to rebuild some of the trust. I think that
you know, most New Zealanders will look at this and
be horrified that this is the police force that is
meant to uphold the integrity and standards of our society.
I think for them to be able to clear their names,
they have to do that investigation, regardless of whether or
not it actually results in charges, because I think that

(55:40):
will help demonstrate that they're actually turning over every stone
and taking every effort possible.

Speaker 4 (55:45):
Yeah, because because the argument that you're making there, basically
bridget is the old were they bad or just exercising
bad judgment?

Speaker 7 (55:51):
Right?

Speaker 4 (55:51):
And you'd almost need an investigation to determine that, wouldn't you.

Speaker 18 (55:55):
Yeah, Otherwise there are things to be being able to
apply that judgment again to that question, and of course
that's not going to help rebuild any of that trust.

Speaker 4 (56:02):
I felt on this pension thing. The Herald is estimated
that Gevin mcskimming may get a pension of worth like
a million bucks or something. Is Richard Chambers right that
there's nothing that can be done to take the pension
off him.

Speaker 13 (56:14):
I think he is right. He's done. Mc skimming did
twenty nine years with the police under the Police super scheme,
so he's contributed to it, and the police have contributed
their share to it. And I don't think our justice
system enables us to take account of bad acts by
people and denying them the money that they've put into

(56:35):
a personal super scheme. You know, I think he had
opened up a real can of worms if you were
to do that. Although every instinct in your body said,
this guy was being paid half a million a year
and spending work time on his work computer watching Kenny
child porn and bestiality, you're kind of your rage that

(56:57):
you know, this very senior person being paid so much. Yeah,
was doing this in breach of the law. Say, how
the hell can we remedy that and get some justice?
But I think that under the current law, I don't
think that's possible. And before you changed that law, you'd
have to think of all the repercussions of so doing fair.

Speaker 4 (57:16):
Point, Bridget listen, is it obvious to you like it
feels obvious to me that the leak of that, the
fact that we know that Richard Chamber has got a
speeding ticket, is a strategic leak to show that he
is not made of the same stuff as these other cops.

Speaker 21 (57:30):
Yeah.

Speaker 18 (57:30):
Absolutely, And I think talking about that in the in
his speech, his graduation speech, demonstrates that he wants to
re really avert that he is different to these other
police officers, and I appaud him for that. I think
this is you know, he made a mistake and he
owned up to it.

Speaker 4 (57:45):
Yeah too, right, Okay, we'll take a break, come back
to you guys shortly. Bridget Molton, Phil GoF are huddle
sixteen away from.

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Speaker 4 (57:57):
Right back of the huddle Feel Golf and Bridget Molton, Well,
I want your take on the truancy. Is the drop
in attendance this year the fault of the teachers who
did the strike on a Thursday or the parents who
decided not to put their kids in school on the
Friday thereafter.

Speaker 13 (58:12):
Well, I suspect strongly it's the latter, because leaving aside
the teachers strike that week, if you look back at
the history of truancy, you find that on the last
day of term the school attendants of kids drops, and
not even on the last day, not even on the friday.
It's the Thursday and Friday. And some of that is
families just deciding, well, we're going to go away for

(58:33):
holidays for the school holidays, and we won't book on
the Saturday because affairs are really expensive during school holidays,
so we'll go before the end of the school year.
I think it feels to me.

Speaker 3 (58:45):
A bit like a bit of cheap politics, actually, And.

Speaker 13 (58:48):
There's one other thing I'd want to pick up, you know,
David semil was blaming the teachers' unions. That kind of
implies that the teachers are all cheap and don't make
their own mind up. The decision to strike was a
decision and taken by the teachers, so let's not do
the union bashing thing. If you don't like it and
you want to blame somebody for it, then you've got
to say, well, it's the teachers that made that decision,

(59:10):
don't bring them literally the red hearing of saying it's
the unions that are to blame. But the teachers are
really decent people, but they're being led astray by their union.
I think that's nonsense as well.

Speaker 4 (59:20):
I Bridget. I've been very irritated by that strike, but
I think that the teachers might be right on this account.
It's actually the parents fault.

Speaker 18 (59:28):
Yeah, I mean, ultimately parents are sponsorbily to get their
kids to school, and then teachers to teaching when they're there.
So I think that's true. I mean, without a doubt
there are some parents who saw that as an opportunity
to take the friday who might have taken it otherwise,
but yet ultimately for into responsibility totally.

Speaker 4 (59:43):
Now Bridget on the key we save it for kids idea,
good idea or bad idea.

Speaker 18 (59:47):
I really enjoy and appreciate sort of ideas to get
more of our kids saving and more financially literate. But
I think giving them a handout at birth when they've
got no ability to actually think about investment, I don't
think that really achieves it. And then ultimately just incentivizing
parents to contribute to that so that it'll be parents
that can.

Speaker 4 (01:00:04):
A clever way bridget of us getting out of the
pension one day.

Speaker 18 (01:00:08):
Well, I think more there's more settings that we can
deal with. And I think the government's changes to aid
funding to literacy to the education curriculum.

Speaker 3 (01:00:15):
Was really important.

Speaker 18 (01:00:15):
But also that change they made that employer contributions for
sixteen and seventeen year olds I think is really important
because that's actually been young people actually engaged with Kiwi
Saver for the first time, and that actually devised them
a real incentive to actually put the money away and
start that habit, which been encouragement to continue it. I
think those things are much more important.

Speaker 3 (01:00:33):
Than hand out the baby, right, babies.

Speaker 4 (01:00:38):
That is what it is though, isn't it.

Speaker 13 (01:00:42):
Yeah, yeah, Look, I tend to agree. I like the
idea of kids being encouraged to save, and that's that's great.
But if it's not the kids saving at that point,
it's the parents putting the money in, and you know,
then the government, I think the idea was to match
the parents' contribution. What that might end up being is
a bit of a social welfare system for the middle

(01:01:03):
income people, because those who can't afford to save won't
be able to do it, and we're giving more money
to people from middle.

Speaker 3 (01:01:10):
Income background who arguably don't need it.

Speaker 4 (01:01:12):
It also like, I mean, what is going on here, right,
We're constantly abdicating pair rental responsibility to the state. Whatever
happened to going and buying a money box in the
shape of a dinosaur and giving the kid a couple
of bucks for doing something good and you teach a
child that way.

Speaker 11 (01:01:27):
Phil, Yeah, well I'd be in favor of that.

Speaker 4 (01:01:29):
Did you do your kids?

Speaker 13 (01:01:32):
I don't. I don't think we opened a bank account
for them.

Speaker 2 (01:01:34):
You have the money box though, Yeah, yeah, we.

Speaker 13 (01:01:37):
Always had the money box, and you know that was
that was a bit of fun for the kids, and
you know, if they did something good, you could say, well,
we're going to put some money in your money box.
And there was probably just coins. It wasn't a huge
amount of money, but it was. It was a symbolic thing.
And in the old days, of course, you used to
be you know, you join your kids up to the
post Offfice savings bank and you know, you go along
and you're did in.

Speaker 4 (01:01:57):
The nineteenth century, wasn't it, Bridgie good Bridget you would.

Speaker 13 (01:02:02):
Have had Victoria.

Speaker 4 (01:02:03):
Yeah, Bridget, you would have had the ASB elephant, wouldn't you.

Speaker 18 (01:02:09):
No, I'm not quite that young, but I mean it's
not Bridget in the early forties.

Speaker 4 (01:02:14):
So elephant, what are you talking about? And you got
the little book and then you had to write your
deposits it like you had to do it manually with
a pen.

Speaker 2 (01:02:22):
You didn't do that.

Speaker 18 (01:02:23):
Well, Look, clearly I was deprived of that. But I
mean I definitely had a money box. But interestingly, we
recently tried to buy a money box for my nephew.
He's six years old. They're not actually easy to come
by anymore. I don't think they're as popular as they
used to be.

Speaker 4 (01:02:34):
Did you google it?

Speaker 22 (01:02:35):
I think google it.

Speaker 18 (01:02:38):
We tried the old session, you know, a shop local
economy approach.

Speaker 4 (01:02:41):
You got to google it. Hey, guys, thanks for Bridget.
Go away and google it now and then text me
when you found it. You will have found it within
ten seconds. Bridget Morton, Frank's Ogilby and Phil GoF, former
labor leader and mayor of Aucklandship didn't get the elephant.
Everybody got the elephant, didn't we.

Speaker 18 (01:02:55):
You know, I love it.

Speaker 4 (01:02:55):
They came around with a little and your little baggy.
Everybody got that.

Speaker 15 (01:02:58):
I had the National Bank horse, Heather, and then I
had the National Bank cricket ball.

Speaker 4 (01:03:02):
Do you still bank with National Bank?

Speaker 15 (01:03:04):
I mean, technically I do with A and Z with
a National Bank.

Speaker 4 (01:03:07):
I got the ASB Elephant, and I still bank with ASB.
And you even had that four ant and yeah, and
I hussed around. I went to Kiwi Bank, and I
went to A and Z and I came back to
ASB because that's what happens. Get them young ands, and
I approve of it. That's a pattern right there. Eight
away from six.

Speaker 1 (01:03:24):
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Speaker 4 (01:03:32):
Heather, most kids now want to be paid in roebucks?
Did I pronounce it right?

Speaker 10 (01:03:36):
Ants?

Speaker 4 (01:03:36):
Roebucks? Roebucks? Thank you, Tess. Hither, it's not a money box,
it's called a peggy bank. Hither I'm over fifty and
they had the ASB Elephant money box back then. Hither
the money jar encourages This is a fair point. The
money jar encourages saving, but it does encourage investing, and
the latter is far more important for creating wealth. That's
actually a fair point. Right here we go, Simon Watts.

(01:03:57):
I oh, Simon, or away from sex. This better not happen.
So Climate Change Minister Simon Watts has spoken to the
media and reckons that he's put in place mechanisms and
deals to be able to quickly begin buying overseas carbon
credits to meet the Paris Agreement climate obligations for the
country if needed. And if he does need to buy

(01:04:18):
some carbon credits and plant some trees overseas, he would
be buying in countries like Thailand and Philippines. He had
better not do this. I hope he is just stringing
the media along because the last estimation I saw for
how much it's going to cost us to meet our
climate obligations are buy these offshore carbon credits is twenty
four billion New Zealand dollars and that's before the inflation

(01:04:41):
rarely took hold and went nut. So on us. Now
that's twenty four billion dollars you designed for yourself. Do
you want to spend twenty four billion dollars planting trees
and Thailand and Philippines in order to bring down our emissions,
offset our emissions, or would you rather spend twenty four
billion dollars building a hospital in your town, building some rows,
building some schools, employing some nurses, and do you know

(01:05:03):
what I mean? Like this is money that we could
actually use to make our lives demonstrably better, or we
could just send it overseas to third world countries and
just kind of cross our fingers and hope that plants
some trees. He better not do that. And also what
happened to him saying to the farmers the other day
that he wasn't going to be doing this. It wasn't
gonna happen. So what's going on we do on the
all fork tongue thing? Anyway, we were hoping that Nikola

(01:05:26):
would come on the show today and then I was
going to ask her about the banking, and then I
was going to ask her about this, but Nicholas is
very busy today. But that's okay because we always have
Monday when Nichola is going to be with us as
the Finance Minister, and you can absolutely beat your bottom
dollar we're talking about this. Anyway, Let's talk about the
banking next news talks that'd be.

Speaker 1 (01:05:56):
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Speaker 4 (01:06:08):
Evening coming up in the next hour. Jamie McKay is
at the Canterbury amp Show. Sam Dicky's going to talk
us through Golden end of Brady is going to talk
us through how much trouble Star is in seven past six. Now,
if you've been looking at the huge profits the big
banks west Pac and A and Z have been reporting
in the last couple of weeks and you've had raised eyebrows,
you may be pleased to know the Government has agreed
to act on all nineteen recommendations from Parliament's recent banking inquiry,

(01:06:32):
But you may be disappointed to know it's all pretty
low level stuff. Ken Dustin from the Banking Reform Coalition
is with us High Kent Evening Heather's is actually going
to make a difference.

Speaker 21 (01:06:43):
Well, look, these aren't bad recommendations. In full marks to
the Government for adopting everything that's come out of the
Select Committee. I mean it's a good step, right, it's
not going to hurt. But you know, as you said
in your intro, I think the big issue here is
that the banks simply don't care whatever Parliament says. You know,
we've got we're on the back of an inquiry from

(01:07:03):
the Commerce Commission, another inquiry from Parliament from the Select Committee,
and you here is Westpac cranking its profits up thirteen
percent and A and Z cranking them up a full
twenty one percent. So whatever it is that Parliament's saying,
I mean, including their banks aren't listening.

Speaker 4 (01:07:19):
Now, is there What of the recommendations which do you
think may be the most effective in doing something here?

Speaker 21 (01:07:27):
Well, as I said, none of them are bad, but
what they're going to need to be effective is legislative teeth.
So the thing that we're really keen on is the
changes that they're making to payments end Z and in
Payments in Z really is the gateway to open banking.
It's the reason that we don't have, for instance, real
time transactions moving between banks in New Zealand the same

(01:07:48):
way that practically every other civilized country in the OECD does.
And so the recommendation is that well, Payments in Z
needs to reform its governance. It's not a bad step,
but fundamentally that's going to have to get backed up
with legislation and probably sooner rather than later, and that
means taking the power to block open banking off the

(01:08:08):
banks and legislating for it exactly the same way as
we legislated for the breakup of Telecom New Zealand years ago.

Speaker 4 (01:08:14):
I think that open banking is that much of a
game changer, because last I saw in Australia, and to
be fair, it's been a while now, but last I
saw in Australia, it really hasn't changed the game much.

Speaker 21 (01:08:23):
Well, the big issue is competition, or the complete lack thereof.
You know, we've got the major four banks, you know,
depending on which market you look at, round about ninety
percent market share. And the only way we can change
that is by getting new banks in. And by new
banks we don't mean those old traditional high street banks.
What we mean are these nimble FinTechs who can start

(01:08:44):
offering those kind of products. But without open banking, it's
all dead in the water.

Speaker 4 (01:08:48):
Yeah, okay, So how much of a game changer is
open banking?

Speaker 21 (01:08:52):
Open banking can be a huge game changer, and there
are some really nimble FinTechs out there who are poised
to do things, but as it stands, without legislation, without
Parliament saying yeah, we want this thing, we want to
get going on it really quickly, and we want to
put some hard deadlines for the banks to step up.
Then really, you know, we'll still be having this conversation

(01:09:12):
in five years time.

Speaker 4 (01:09:13):
Okay, So if what I'm feeling right now is disappointment,
that would be that would be a fair reaction.

Speaker 21 (01:09:17):
I think just about everybody in New Zealand is going
to be disappointed in the sense that they're looking at
the amount of money that's being taken offshore by the
Australian owned banks in the middle of the deepest procession
we've had in the generation, and thinking, what you know,
in A and Z's case, profits up twenty one percent,
But they didn't get there by being twenty one percent
better at what they do, or twenty one percent more customers,

(01:09:39):
or twenty one percent more innovative. They've simply stuck their
hands in New Zealander's pockets longer and deeper than the
year before. And I think everyone in New Zealand would
be looking at and saying when is this going to end?

Speaker 4 (01:09:50):
Okay, Ken, if you could do one thing to fix banking,
what would it be.

Speaker 21 (01:09:55):
I'd break up a in z To be perfectly honest,
we've got legislative exactly the same way as we separated.

Speaker 4 (01:10:04):
Did you divide from what?

Speaker 21 (01:10:06):
Well, we'd simply say that no bank can be more
than ten percent of the market and break it up
into its bits and allow those pieces to be invested in,
preferably by New Zealanders, so that the profits stay on
shore rather than going offshore. And instead of having two
large banks, we could end up with maybe seven or
eight or nine much smaller banks who would genuinely, genuinely

(01:10:29):
compete with one another.

Speaker 4 (01:10:31):
When you say that this is a good idea, have
you weighed up the shock that it would create for investors?

Speaker 21 (01:10:38):
Hither, You're entirely right. It would be a shock for investors.
But here's the thing, it will be a shot for
overseas investors because at the moment too much of our
banking industries is owned by the Australians. What we need
is to bring that investment back on shore.

Speaker 2 (01:10:51):
We have the key.

Speaker 21 (01:10:52):
We Saver funds, for instance, are dying to invest in
high quality. Yes, it's like the banks, but because of
the structure of our sect, they're pretty much.

Speaker 2 (01:11:00):
Locked out of it.

Speaker 21 (01:11:01):
So New Zealanders could be the ones benefiting from our
banking sector rather than all the money going to Australia.

Speaker 4 (01:11:07):
Hey, thank you very much. Ken has always appreciated Kent Dustin,
who is from the Banking Reform Coalition. It's twelve past sex. Ever,
Bremworth has admitted why it ditched its will only strategy.
You remember that they had the annual shareholders meeting in
Auckland yesterday and I think it's the first time that
they've actually got everybody together in order to be able

(01:11:27):
to be asked about this. And somebody asked them, why'd
you do it? Was it poor execution or was it
being unrealistic in thinking everybody's only going to buy wool?
And they said it was a combination of both. Said
it was aspirational and there's no doubt a certain segment
of customers out there who love wool, but unfortunately the
reality is a large chunk of consumers who may say

(01:11:49):
that but do something else. Oh my gosh, how are
you running a company that like? That's just one oh
one of what consumers. Consumers say all the time. I
care very much about the sustainability and the farm that
the provenance of my food are on an avery Like
they say all that stuff. Then they go and they

(01:12:09):
buy the cheapest milk they can, cheapest meat they can, Like,
that's just whatever. Everybody says that they love the climate change.
Then they go buy a gas guzzler. That's just what
people do. People say they love will then they buy synthetic.
I could have told you that for free, and you
wouldn't have wasted all that money on the wool only strategy.
Thirteen plus six it's.

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Speaker 2 (01:13:35):
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Speaker 4 (01:13:38):
You know, gold is having a bit of a run
at the moment. Sam Dicki's going to talk us through
it when he's with us in about half an hour's
time or even lessa she's probably twenty minutes time. It's
seventeen pass six and with us now as Jamie McKay
host to the Country, Hello Jamie.

Speaker 11 (01:13:50):
Hello, Heather, how's the show?

Speaker 14 (01:13:52):
Yeah, well, I'm at the day one of the Canterbury
amp Show and it's a royal show this year, and
while that might sound regal, the weather was anything but
it was a bit of a shocking day to be
perfectly honest, which wasn't aiding the people through the gates.
But tomorrow is a public holiday here in christ Church

(01:14:12):
where I am at the moment in there, and they're
expecting a high of twenty three and there's going to
be lots of people on Saturday.

Speaker 11 (01:14:18):
Again, the forecast is very good.

Speaker 14 (01:14:21):
But I can tell you what from talking to the
farmers today and there was quite a few of them
at the show today, Heather. They're as happy as Larry
because it's been very very dry here and they've had
between twenty twenty five thirty miles of rain. That's like
an inch and the old measure imperial measure, so most
of the farmers were pretty happy with that.

Speaker 4 (01:14:41):
What are farmers telling you about how they're feeling about
the economy? Still feeling awesome?

Speaker 14 (01:14:46):
Yeah, I think they are feeling pretty good. I mean,
like any other people in business, either their costs have
ratcheted up a whole lot. I mean, just look at
the dairy payout as a really good example. You know,
we'd look Fonterra is sitting at ten dollars. I would
personally doubt that whether we'll get that in this season.
I think it might be a bit softer than that.

(01:15:06):
But derrien Z come out with the cost of production.
I think it's sitting at something like eight dollars sixty,
so there's not a huge amount of fat in there.
I would say that the red meat farmers are doing
very well at the moment, Lamb. I'm not quite so
sure on longer term, but certainly medium term beefs looking

(01:15:26):
very strong. So honestly, as I said today to some
of the people about the government, because we chadded to
Nikola Grigg, the Horticulture Minister on the show today, the
farmers are moaning about the prices or the government at
the moment. They are being moaners because both of them
have been pretty good to them.

Speaker 4 (01:15:44):
To be fair, have you seen anything you want to
spend your money on?

Speaker 14 (01:15:48):
Well, we were buying a coffee this morning, Heather, and
it was pissing down with rain for want of a
better word, and so we shehuted next door where they
had a store where they were making Italian coffee makers.
But I'm a bit of a klutz, so I don't
think I could actually work out how to make them.
But if I really wanted to splash out, and if

(01:16:08):
I was on a salary like yours, Heather, I would
have bought one of these Italian coffee makers for four grand,
just the bee sneeze. I would probably never figure out
how to work it, but it would just be a
statement in our house that they would say that guy's
got a bit of class.

Speaker 18 (01:16:26):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:16:26):
No, it's divorce material, because what happens is like something
that expensive you really have to look after. And then
when your partner leaves the you know, the Tampa with
all the coffee ground still in and starts rusting, you'd
just be really angry all the time, wouldn't you.

Speaker 14 (01:16:38):
Well, I don't know, I mean, or Barry decis to
do what he's told.

Speaker 2 (01:16:41):
I know that, but does he do that? Does he?

Speaker 4 (01:16:44):
I don't want to tell any yarns, but you know,
like that would be annoying, wouldn't it. Jamie, Thank you
appreciate it. Jamie mckaye, Host of the Country. What about
like when they do the milk, and they don't get
the cloth and wipe down the little milk wand and
then you've got like congealed milk and then you have
to soak. You know, that's that's annoying when that happens
to people. Isn't that Imagine that that happened at four
thousand dollar machine. You wouldn't like You wouldn't like that

(01:17:05):
very much, would you, Heather. The carbon market crashed again today,
down to thirty three dollars before closing back at thirty
eight dollars. That's down from fifty two before the anti
climate minister started and decided to start unwinding Paris and
climate targets with cheap offshore credits. On your show on
the fifth of November, Simon Watt said he had no
plans to play to buy offshore credits. Okay, mate, that's right,

(01:17:28):
he did. Is it not also practically now allowing you
to be able to buy offshore credits rather than having
to reduce your domestic mission.

Speaker 10 (01:17:37):
It has nothing to do with that.

Speaker 22 (01:17:39):
And just for the record, I think we've talked about
that before, the government doesn't have any plans in play
at the moment to do that right now.

Speaker 7 (01:17:47):
We're focusing on domestic emissions reduction as the priority.

Speaker 4 (01:17:51):
What's going on, Simon, You're all over the show on
this story, aren't you, six twenty two.

Speaker 1 (01:17:58):
Whether it's macrosh or just plain economics, it's all on
the Business hour where the heather duper CILA and mass
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Speaker 2 (01:18:07):
Your futures in good hands, News talks be.

Speaker 4 (01:18:13):
Andder Brady's going to be with us at quarters to seven,
and I have to be honest, I'm very much looking
forward to having a chat to him because Starma is
in trouble and it looks like the weird thing that
Starma started doing where he started playing games last night,
is him trying to kind of flush it out, flush
out the coup that he thinks is coming around about
the time of the budget. Anyway, we'll talk to Enda
about that. Listen, if you follow the concrete stats as

(01:18:33):
a bit of a proxy for how the economy is doing,
you're not going to love what I'm about to tell you.
Concrete has fallen in the past twelve months to three
point six million cubic meters, which is the lowest since
twenty fourteen. The past couple of months, it has picked
up slightly from June was rarely the bottom. It's packed
up slightly, but it's not that great, and The Infometric's
economist Matthew Ullman forecasts residential construction will struggle to even

(01:18:55):
maintain today's low levels, and commercial commercial building work will
full fit through to the end of twenty twenty six.
So yeah, not that flash at all. A six twenty five.

Speaker 2 (01:19:06):
There's no business like show business.

Speaker 4 (01:19:12):
A sequel for Spring Brown Breaking. The first teaser for
The Devil Wears part of two has been released brand
toky long enough and by teaser, it really was a tease.
It is a fifty two second trailer and in that
short period of time we see shots of hope, couture, fashions,
editorial styling, glitz and glam, but we don't learn anything

(01:19:34):
about the story. So this is what we know. Kam
Anne Hathaway is back, Meryl Streep as the iconic Miranda
Presley is back, Emily Blunt is back, Stanley Tucci is back.
It comes out in the first on the first of
May next year, which is right before the annual met Gala,
and the real life Miranda Presley Anna win Tour recently
step down as the editor of Vogue. So will this

(01:19:56):
film cover a similar passing of the torch or reflect
real life events? We will have to see. Now we'll
start at a debate, haven't we. How do we pronounce it? Antsur?

Speaker 15 (01:20:09):
What are we talking about? Host Catur isn't it's the German.

Speaker 4 (01:20:13):
Of jet aught, which I said, aught conteur, I've tried. Look,
you know how I feel about French. I actually don't care.

Speaker 15 (01:20:21):
Is this one an English loan word?

Speaker 10 (01:20:22):
Though?

Speaker 15 (01:20:22):
I feel like this is more an English loanword.

Speaker 4 (01:20:24):
Is it an English word? I think it's a French word.

Speaker 15 (01:20:26):
Or yeah, it's like that, you know, it's like a
word that's an English word that we just stole off.

Speaker 4 (01:20:30):
Oh that's not a portmanteau. You mean, like like when
we steal ballet and filet.

Speaker 10 (01:20:36):
Yeah like that.

Speaker 4 (01:20:37):
Okay, yeah, but it's originally a French word, which means
that it's already just a bastardization.

Speaker 15 (01:20:42):
But yeah, I think we're going to get some English
teachers too.

Speaker 4 (01:20:44):
So the Germans is aught cature, but she is German,
so therefore she doesn't know what she's talking about, which
means that ants and I.

Speaker 15 (01:20:53):
She does speak very good French as well, to be fair.

Speaker 4 (01:20:56):
Oh yeah, which also makes it complicated, which means that
ants and I literally still don't know how you pronounce it.
Hold Katour. We're gonna go hold Cadour like that US
US next, and then Sam Dickey.

Speaker 1 (01:21:06):
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Speaker 2 (01:21:33):
Could you taking me.

Speaker 8 (01:21:41):
Heather?

Speaker 4 (01:21:41):
It's a silent age. Best wishes, mister France, Thank you,
mister France. Also Murray says, I just love people.

Speaker 17 (01:21:49):
Thank you.

Speaker 4 (01:21:50):
I love people who just think about this logically and
have broken it down phonetically for over here. Ot Cutour,
trust me whether I'm bilingual, oat Cutur, thank you, Murray,
appreciate it. I did actually know that. But you know,
it is like one of those things like when you
get what's that word epitome. It's like epiitime, isn't it.

(01:22:11):
Don't tell me you're ever going to look at that
word again and not think epitome. I'm having the same
thing with oat Katur. Twenty four away from seven, Gold
is having its strongest years since the nineteen seventies. What
a statement? A up sixty percent so far?

Speaker 3 (01:22:23):
This here?

Speaker 4 (01:22:24):
Now, what's driven this incredible rise is the question? And
of course should you invest in it? Sam Dickey from
Fisher Funds is with us. Hello, Sam, you know what
is the investment case here? For gold?

Speaker 22 (01:22:36):
It is on fire, up one hundred and fifteen percent
of the pass eighteen months or so. So there's three
primary investment cases. The first and foremost one is it's
a safe haven head, so it's got a near perfect
hit rate of not only holding its value, but often
appreciating value in stock market correction, So the eighty seven crash,
the GFC crash, the European financial crisis crash, and various

(01:22:59):
other corrections, gold would almost always go higher. And that's
because simplistically, it carries no credit risk, it can't default,
it holds its value and that becomes almost self fulfilling.
So investors pile into gold in times of uncertainty. So
that's the first one. The second one is it is
considered an inflation hedge albe it its track record there

(01:23:19):
is a bit more patchy, so the assumption goes Unlike
fiat currency, central banks can't print any more gold and
while inflation erodes the purchasing power of fiat currency. Gold
is a stable store of value and the third one
is a little bit more bearish. So central banks and
investors buy gold to diversify away from the US dollar,

(01:23:40):
and twenty twenty five has been one of the weakest
years for the US dollar in the past couple of decades.

Speaker 4 (01:23:45):
Now, how does the current period then compare to the
nineteen seventies.

Speaker 22 (01:23:50):
Yeah, it cast in the mind back but definitely some
similar some similarity, So like now, investors had lost a
bit of confidence in the US dollar. Back then it
was because of persistently high inflation. They couldn't get a
handle on inflation, unsustainable US government spending, and then of
course throwing an oil shock there for good measure too.
Today inflation is a little bit stubbornly high, but it's

(01:24:13):
not anything like that was the problem back then. Today,
they've lost a bit of confidence in the US dollar
because of high US government debt levels, which you and
I have spoken about before, and volatile policy decision making.
So investors are piling into gold is a more stable alternative.
And back then, if you think about the circuit breaker,
it was Paul Volka hiking interest rates to twenty percent

(01:24:34):
to break the back of inflation, which restored confidence in
the US dollar and pop.

Speaker 2 (01:24:38):
The gold bubble.

Speaker 22 (01:24:39):
The circuit breaker today could be a bit of austeriitay
in the US some really sensible and prudent management of
the government balance sheet. But the problem is, and again
you and I have talked about this, no democratically elected
government wants to be the one to remove the punch
bowl from the party. They don't want to crack down
on government spending.

Speaker 3 (01:24:57):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:24:57):
So what does all of this mean for investors?

Speaker 20 (01:24:58):
Then?

Speaker 22 (01:25:00):
I think it can be a really helpful hedge in
a diversified portfolio, particularly as a safe haven hedge. But
this time it's had a really powerful run already in
the tree things. It's really hard to value, so it
doesn't yield anything. It doesn't produce any income, unlike a
share or bond or property. And as Warren Buffett said,
best gold gets dug out of the ground. We melt
it down, dig another hole, bury it again, and pay

(01:25:22):
some stand around guarding it. So it has no utility
in anyone watching from Mars would be scratching their head.

Speaker 4 (01:25:28):
Yeah right, thank you very much. Sam appreciate it. Sam
Dicky the Forsher Funds. It's twenty one away from seven
for seel. By the way, I haven't managed to get
around to telling you this, but I think this is
kind of a kind of relevant. A bunch of the
police involved in the so called cover up around GeV
MC skimming have not been named in the IPCA report,

(01:25:49):
but they are now being out. For example, Paul Basham,
who's obviously already resigned from the police Atanya Kulda, was
named in there. Another one who wasn't named in the
IPCA but has subsequently been outed is a guy called
krist W. Wattinger. Now I'm absolutely one hundred percent mispronouncing
his name, but he's got a very funny surname, so
we're just going to go with that. He is the
guy who is now the head of Aviation Security at

(01:26:11):
the Civil Aviation Authority. He was Officer PLC in the
IPCA report. Who was the one roomer I was telling
you yesterday there was a cop who called the lady cop.
The lady cop had gone to the IPS because she's dogged.
She's like, this is not right, this is not right,
this is not right, this is not right. And eventually,
when nothing was being done, she herself went to the
IPC and basically kicked off the IPCA process. Well, he
was the one who called her afterwards and said, Costa

(01:26:33):
is not happy with what you've done. He is now
on leave from the CAIA as of today. He will
take some time away as we work through an employment process,
they say, and any implications for him and his role
in the CIA, I think you probably guess how that's
going to go.

Speaker 2 (01:26:46):
Now.

Speaker 4 (01:26:48):
I think we may have to rethink just completely different subject.
By the way, I think we may have to rethink
what we do with people who have a history of
serious violent offending. Because I don't know if you've seen
the story around today, but this is the the guy
who's just pleaded guilty to murdering a woman in christ
Church earlier this year, four months ago. The guy's name
is Nathan Bolter. Now you may not remember that name,

(01:27:09):
but he was the guy who kidnapped his ex partner,
Nortessa Montgomery to Great Barrier Island. Remember this was quite
big news in twenty eleven. He kidnapped her to Great
Barrier Island and then he tortured there for her there
for like hours it ended up being in total thirty
eight hours before she was finally rescued, and she was
pretty pretty cut up by him. He has a history
of attacking women, because of course he did that. He's

(01:27:31):
got a raft of charges including kidnapping, stalking, other violence, burglary,
threatening to kill, contravening a protection order, to assault with
intent to injure, causing harm by digital communication, and so
on and so on. And then in twenty twenty he
was back before the courts for assaulting another woman again
in quite a serious way, and he was sent to jail.
So you can see there's a pattern of behavior from
this loon. Right now, I cannot fault the parole board

(01:27:53):
because they seem to have done the right thing here
to the best of their abilities. Right They refused to
parole a number of times, and then by the time
he appears in April twenty twenty three in front of them,
he's basically about to finish his sentence, like he's got
five weeks left on his sentence, and the decision that
they have to make is do they let him serve
out the remainder of the five weeks, and then if
he's released, he is released as a free man, no

(01:28:15):
conditions whatsoever, and off he goes. Or do they let
him out early by a few weeks, And if they
let him out early, they can impose conditions on him.
So they let him out a little early, and they
impose conditions, which I think imbalance is the right thing
to do. They put him on two months of electronically
monitored residential restrictions and they order him for six months
to basically live at his mum's house, not to consume
liquor or drugs, not to contact any victims of his offending,

(01:28:38):
to disclose all details about any intimate relationship, blah blah blah,
whatever you know, Like anything that goes on his life,
his probation officer has to know about it. The trouble
is those conditions can only be imposed to a maximum
of six months, which they basically take it to its maximum.
They ended like Christmas New Year twenty twenty three, So
eighteen months after that is when he goes on to

(01:29:01):
murder a woman, right, And there's way outside the parole
Board's ability to control him. At that stage, he's not
subject to any parole conditions. Now, I'm just wondering if
we need to start thinking about this, because surely if
there is somebody who is demonstrating that they have a
pattern of acting like this and a pattern of violent offenses,
I mean, like set aside everything else, but if there

(01:29:23):
is the chance that somebody could end up killing somebody
and they have demonstrated a pattern of doing it, surely
we should think about something beyond what the like the
parole Board could do, no more than they could do.
Surely there's got to be something we can do because
that guy, I would argue, is a prime candidate for
I don't know, being monitored for the rest of his
bloody life. Don't you think seventeen away from seven Ever it's.

Speaker 1 (01:29:43):
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Speaker 4 (01:29:54):
Be fourteen away from seven Ender Brady UK correspondents with US.

Speaker 11 (01:29:57):
Hello Ender, Hey have her great speak to aggains.

Speaker 4 (01:30:00):
So it's coming up to the deadline for the beeB.
What are they going to do?

Speaker 11 (01:30:05):
I think they're going to apologize. They have to. I
mean they've got no choice. Whether that calls off the
dogs of legality, that Trump has unleashed or is threatening
to unleash. We'll wait and see. One billion dollars is
what he wants from the BBC for damage to his reputation,
for trying to steal the election or election interference. It's

(01:30:25):
a big twenty four hours really for the BBC. And
from what I'm hearing, they've got headhunters looking for a
new director general and the whole process might take until
September next year. So talk about leaderless and rudderless. They're
looking at ten months basically of having no boss.

Speaker 4 (01:30:43):
Well, okay, now let me talk. Let me ask you
what is going on with Stamma. Tell me what you
take on this is.

Speaker 11 (01:30:52):
I think he's very weak. I mean, we knew for
a guy who'd come in with the landslide, he is
not that popular. It was more a vote that the
public were saying, we don't like the Conservatives what they've done,
so there was no great love for Starmer in the
first place. He's a poor communicator. We're finding out that
he's quite a poor leader and Prime minister, and I

(01:31:12):
think there are machinations behind the scenes, deep inside his
own cabinet and Labor Party to get him out. Now,
the budget is coming up November twenty sixth, and then
there's local elections next May. Labor are now one percent ahead,
one percentage point ahead of the Greens. That's where they
are at the moment, and hardly anybody here votes for

(01:31:34):
the Green Party, as bad as that sounds, so I
think quite clearly people inside government are thinking, Okay, I'm
going to make my move. One guy clearly tried to
make a move this week and has been slapped down,
and I think Starmer is all the week or for
it now?

Speaker 4 (01:31:51):
This is is it Streeting that you talking about?

Speaker 11 (01:31:54):
Yeah, the Health secretary and he's briefings against him.

Speaker 4 (01:31:58):
He denies that he's made a move, So is he lies?

Speaker 11 (01:32:03):
I would say draw your own conclusions there.

Speaker 13 (01:32:05):
As the.

Speaker 11 (01:32:07):
Manchester who was suddenly giving interviews and then went to
party conference and realized it was not.

Speaker 2 (01:32:12):
Support for him.

Speaker 11 (01:32:14):
It's all very odd. I mean, if they don't do
something soon, they will be out of a job and
out of government. I think the local elections in May
are going to be catastrophic for Labor. You will see
Reform picking off council seats in the UK where they
never would have done before. In a TV show last
week about the rise of reform in Scotland and this

(01:32:37):
is an English Nationalist party led by Nigel Faraj and
they're topping the polls in Scotland.

Speaker 4 (01:32:44):
It's mean to lie now. The reason I was asking
you if Streeting was lying was because one alternative theory
is actually that he hasn't made a move yet. He's
very very early days. But what Kastam is trying to
do is basically flush him out now either way right,
something is differently a f So how long do you
give Stamma in the role before he's out?

Speaker 11 (01:33:04):
Well, I think we're going to see catastrophic polling off
the back of the budget if income tax goes up
here on November twenty sixth, taxing per mile electric vehicles.
I think people will just be so sick of this
government after a year and a half. I mean, there's
nothing I can tell you he has done. There's nothing
I can tell you he has achieved in a year

(01:33:25):
and a half. And as much as the big black
hole in the budget is the fault of the previous government.
The public aren't interested. Everyone thought this would be great
new people in short term fix politics doesn't work like that.
It's I think the UK at the moment is like
turning around an oil tanker and it's shipping.

Speaker 4 (01:33:43):
A lot of water at the same time, right spill
the tea for us? What was wrong with Hitler?

Speaker 17 (01:33:48):
So?

Speaker 11 (01:33:49):
Did he have a micro penis? This is apparently a thing.
There is Kalman syndrome, a sexual disorder. And there is
a documentary to be screened this weekend where a team
of scientists and these are top, top professionals, and I
think they were very much aware of the gravity of
looking into the DNA of a monster like Adolf Hitler.

(01:34:11):
They found that an American soldier who was in Hitler's
bunker after everything had happened, and obviously he's dead, there
was a big patch of blood on the sofa, and
this American soldier took a rather grim souvenir. He cut
out the patch of fabric with the most blood on it,
brought it back to the United States and it's been

(01:34:31):
in the Gettysburg Museum ever since. What these scientists have
done is they've taken that patch, managed to start a
full DNA profile from the patch, and then to square
off whether this truly was Hitler's blood, they found a
living descendant on the Y chromosome side, so the father's
side in Germany, and it all matches up out of

(01:34:56):
and they've gone through what he's kind of biologue you
can make up, and what they can glean from his DNA.
And he had a sexual disorder called result in a
test testical not dropping or having a micro penis. And
of course there was dancehall songs during the nineteen forties
a linked having the ball, so as much as they

(01:35:19):
were joking back then, possibly very close.

Speaker 2 (01:35:22):
To the trip.

Speaker 4 (01:35:23):
Wow, thanks very much, and I appreciate that gossip for
us into Brady UK corresponding, hither it's pronounced christ wner.
Thank you. I feel like we've had we've had a
real school. Oh lord, and Musther's come back, Murray's come back?
Hither try again? It's oat coo too long? Tea? Isn't sure?
Almost sure? Bloat cood? Sure I nailed it, haven't I?

(01:35:45):
I've nailed it? Sure? I didn't know that. I feel
like I'm it was weird? Is this what Alzheimer's is like?
When you know something and then you forget it and
you relearn it anyway, Listen, I've got I've got some
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Speaker 4 (01:36:12):
Hither, I don't know if you're aware of the digital
distortion that we had in the last clip concerning Hitler's genitalia.
Hitler had what syndrome with his penis Calman Caalman syndrome.
It's quite a text that I don't think evil will
come through on the text machine again talking about Hitler's
Willie listen, I'm oh, no, I have to never mind that,
never mind that, never mind that. Okay, So the OECD

(01:36:34):
has done a study across a whole bunch of countries
right this it appears to be reasonably comprehensive, Like it's
one hundred and sixty thousand respondents and thirty one different
countries and stuff, and they've looked at what it like,
what are the traits, what traits are more likely to
help you get a job, and what traits are going
to be negative to your ability to get a job.
And I cannot explain this about us, but in New

(01:36:54):
Zealand you are less likely to find a job if
you are open and agreeable, both of which I would
have thought are traits that we like in our friends.
You want to say to your friend, oh my gosh,
that guys are numpty, and your friend go, yeah, what
you don't want your friend to go nat And he's
not a numpty? Way like, who wants to be around
that person all the time? So anyway, this is it.

(01:37:15):
Agreeableness basically has no impact on anybody's job in any
of these countries, but it has a stronger negative effect
on employment in New Zealand than any other nation in
the study. Also, openness has basically a weak effect. No,
it doesn't really matter in most countries. New Zealand, though,
was among a handful where it was negatively associated with employment.

(01:37:35):
How bizarre is that? Do you know ants? What it
is that helps your employment in New Zealand the most?

Speaker 15 (01:37:42):
Having nice hair?

Speaker 4 (01:37:43):
No, being literate?

Speaker 15 (01:37:45):
Being literate? Oh excellent, Well we can't even pronounce o cordua,
so we're in trouble. Were going to hold onto these jobs?

Speaker 4 (01:37:51):
Jeez, this country? Being literate? Okay, what have you got?

Speaker 15 (01:37:55):
Levitating by jua? Lie persa players out so right? And
we were talking before, well In and you were talking
before about secure Starmer's problems. Here's an easy win for
him if he's going to do it, do a leaper.
Radiohead and Coldplay are calling on him and the Labor
Party honor their election promise to make it illegal to
sell tickets to concerts for more than thirty percent above
their face value, or potentially just make it illegal to

(01:38:16):
sell them above their face vilure. This is the thing
Labor said they were going to do, and they're still
consulting on it. So Radio here, dua Leaper, Coldplay, a
bunch of other artists they have all signed an open
letters saying hurry up, get on with it. We need
to shut down the scalpers. And that's what I'll do it.

Speaker 4 (01:38:29):
So yeah, it doesn't help. It really sucks when you
get famous people going up against you like I reckon, Joe,
I reckon Starmer will do something about this now that
do us up against him? What do you reckon?

Speaker 13 (01:38:41):
Oh?

Speaker 15 (01:38:41):
Yeah, I might not go to the top of list,
mightn't it all right?

Speaker 4 (01:38:45):
Cool it? Tomorrow's Friday. How good to see you?

Speaker 2 (01:38:47):
Then?

Speaker 1 (01:39:00):
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