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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Pressing the newsmakers to get the real story. It's Heather
duper Cy Ellen Drive with One New Zealand to coverage
like no one else.

Speaker 2 (00:10):
News Talks Heavy.

Speaker 3 (00:14):
Afternoon. Coming up on the show today, Matthew Houton on
the luxe and coup rumors, Auckland Pride on taking the
government to court over the transgender community sports situation, and
Mark Lister of Craig's investment on what's going on with
the AI stocks volatility.

Speaker 2 (00:28):
Heather duper Cy Allen.

Speaker 3 (00:29):
Well either the Justice Minister Paul Goldsmith is telling Porky's
or he is the most out of the loop person
in Wellington. But it is complete bs for him to
suggest that there is no talk of rolling Chris Luxon. Yes,
that is, yes, there is. I can tell you for
a fact that there are senior National Party ministers who
say lux and can't continue in the job. I can

(00:49):
tell you for a fact that MP's are talking to
each other about whether they should roll him, because they
are considering whether to pillpen and ROI. But if they
do roll him, the most likely person that they will
roll him for is Chris Bishop. But they haven't, and
this is important, they haven't decided to do it. Either
that or they don't have the numbers to do it,

(01:10):
probably because it is a really, really risky thing to do.
It's only happened once before rolling a sitting prime minister,
and it was Jim Bolger and that didn't go well
for a number of reasons. Now there is always the
chance as well. This is what they've got to take
into consideration. There is always the chance that sticking with
Luxon might be okay. Next year. If the economy improves,

(01:31):
Nationals polls will probably go up. Some of the MPs
worried about losing their seats on current polling will then
be fine. But there is a chance that the Poles
don't recover enough to save all of the MP's at
risk losing their seats right now because Luson is so
unpopular that he is a drag on Nationals vote and
like it or not, modern elections are about who you

(01:51):
want as your prime minister. Jacinda is the reason that
Labour's vote went up in twenty seventeen. Luxon is part
of the reason that Nationals vote has fallen. May do
a better, guess, a better job, but that is just
going to be a guess, right We do not know.
They will be guessing. National MPs cannot be sure. He
could also do a terrible job. Also, the instability that's

(02:11):
created by rolling a sitting prime minister could make Nationals
vote fall even further. It is a high risk move frankly,
either way, Sticking with Luxen who is unpopular as high risk.
Trying out Chris Bishop, who's unproven is also high risk.
It is a call that frankly, I myself would not
want to make, but it is a call that National
MPs are making, and they are making it right now.
They are deciding right now whether they do this or not.

(02:34):
It may never eventuate, but the talk, trust me, is real.

Speaker 2 (02:39):
Heather duplusy Ellen.

Speaker 3 (02:43):
Ah yeah, I mean we'll come back to that in
just tick because we do have to talk to Matthew Houston,
which is a thing in and of itself. Nine two
ninety two is the text number. Standard text fees apply.

Speaker 4 (02:52):
Now.

Speaker 3 (02:52):
You might recall the heartbreaking case of the baby who
died from a medication overdose earlier this year. We talked
about it on the show. After that tragedy, the Midland
Community Pharmacy Group decided to review just how often prescription
eras happen. The findings are staggering, more than one thousand,
two hundred mistakes in a single week, and a quarter
of them carried a high risk of harm. Pete Chandler

(03:13):
is the CEO of the Midland Community Pharmacy Group and
with US high Peat. Hi, Heather, did this surprise you?

Speaker 5 (03:21):
It did surprise me very so seeing these reports flag
up on my laptop every few minutes from when we
started the audit.

Speaker 3 (03:29):
Oh wow, were you getting in real time?

Speaker 2 (03:32):
Yep?

Speaker 3 (03:33):
And so were you sitting there watching it came in?

Speaker 5 (03:35):
I was, yeah?

Speaker 3 (03:37):
And what was the feeling was was your heart just sinking?

Speaker 5 (03:42):
I think there are two things that I saw as
one is the frequency of issues being reported, but also
the narrative text that pharmacists throat alongside it that explained
the nature of repeating issues.

Speaker 2 (03:55):
And so yeah, your heart.

Speaker 5 (03:57):
Does think thinking, we really do have a problem.

Speaker 3 (04:00):
Okay, Now, I feel like, in the interest of being fair,
it is not just pharmacists who are responsible for these
twelve hundred mistakes, right, it's the doctors as well.

Speaker 6 (04:09):
Correct.

Speaker 5 (04:11):
But I need to clarify that what we've audited here, Heather,
is a subset of issues that pharmacists have picked up
with prescriptions rather than clinical errors. And there's a really
important difference in that we weren't auditing patient medical records

(04:31):
to find prescriber errors. We were capturing issues that pharmacists
spotted on scripts that needed time to resolve. So that's
a really important distinction.

Speaker 3 (04:41):
Oh okay, hold on. So this is not mistakes pharmacists
are making. These are mistakes doctors are making that pharmacists
are picking up.

Speaker 5 (04:51):
I'll clarify further. They're not necessarily mistakes, but they are issues.
So the distinction we've made here is that an issue
is not necessarily an error, but it is a problem.
And a lot of these issues do relate to the
functioning of IT systems rather than actual clinical errors. So

(05:12):
it's important to be really clear on that, and that
was the reason why we did this audit to understand
the extent of things that pharmacists were having to work
with GPS to resolve.

Speaker 3 (05:22):
I see what you mean, because every single issue or
it takes up time, right, it cuts into your day. Okay,
So this has been reasonably misleadingly in the way that
this has been reported, because it's been reported as pharmacist
EIAs it's not pharmacistias. So do we have a handle?
I mean, okay, but that makes the whole situation works
because now we're dealing with doctors making errors. Do we

(05:42):
actually have a handle though on the eras that pharmacists make?

Speaker 5 (05:48):
So I'll just correct again, We're not necessarily talking about
doctors errors. What we're talking about here is system issues,
and a lot of those relate, as I've said, to
how the IT work. This is the first insight into
issues with electronic prescriptions that's ever been done in New Zealand,

(06:08):
and there's very few around the world, and there's plenty
of historic reviews of paper scripts in the past which
showed issues with doctor's handwriting and other problems. What we've
got here in the new world of electronic scripts is
a new view that we've never had before of a
completely new and different set of problems.

Speaker 3 (06:32):
And what are the problems that the computers are creating.

Speaker 5 (06:35):
Well, it's a combination of the IT systems, how users
use them. But what we've found that's very different from
former audits into paper scripts is firstly, the type of
issues that we're seeing is very different. We know in
the past that doctor's handwriting was the perennial problem. Obviously

(06:57):
we don't have that with electronic scripts, but we have
a large number of issues with dosing, units of issue
for pharmacist to dispense, and other issues, many of which
are typos in an electronic system model that's got no

(07:18):
filtering checks and usually no preview before the doctor finally
sends off the script. Okay, so the type of issues
is really quite different to what we've seen in the past.

Speaker 3 (07:31):
Yeah, listen, thank you for talking us through a p DO.
I appreciate a peach Chendler Midland Community Pharmacy Group CEO Gees.
I feel like the pharmacist has got a reason to
be reasonably upset about this today. It's been reported like
it was all pharmacy erarors and it wasn't at all
those doctor eras. Now I'm looking forward to somebody actually
doing an orders on the pharmacist so as well. Remember
what I said, Do you remember? Because I think I
still think this is the best way to approach This

(07:52):
is just whatever you get given, double double double check,
use check GBT, read the label, do whatever, but double
check that the people who know what they're doing have
x lea's giving you the right instructions so that you can,
I just think it's worth as a human. Before you
start putting stuff in your gob, just double check that
they've told you to put the right amount into your gob. Now, listen,
Apropos what we were talking about yesterday, which was that

(08:12):
the feral cats have been added to the twenty fifty
predator freak you know, predator free kill list. It will
come as no surprise to you whatsoever that Gareth Morgan
is absolutely stoked about this. He says feral cats are
part of a big crime family. That man, honestly, that

(08:33):
man brightens my day with how ridiculous he is. Sometimes
sixteen past four.

Speaker 2 (08:38):
It's the Heather Duper see Alan Drive Full Show.

Speaker 1 (08:40):
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Speaker 3 (08:46):
Heather, I really don't understand why Chris Luxon is so unpopular.
I believe he's doing a great job and pulled a
really bad unit together. Bishop will be no more popular.
Erica may have the Justinda stardust, but excuse me, that's
just bs from us voters. Actually. Look, should we get
into that, maybe, Michael, maybe if we get a minute,
we'll get into what's going on wrong with Chris Luxon
Are nineteen past.

Speaker 1 (09:04):
Four Sport with tab bedlave with in play are eighteen
Ben responsibly.

Speaker 3 (09:11):
Jason Pine weekend Sport hosters within our high pony.

Speaker 7 (09:14):
I could step aside if further examination is required hither
or you need the time, I'm quite happy to step aside.

Speaker 3 (09:20):
No, I want to talk to you about what's going
on here. How on earth this is dramatic right to
only keep three of the same players started last week
and go for twelve new starters.

Speaker 7 (09:31):
Yeah, it is quite a wholesale change in terms of
the starting fifteen for this one.

Speaker 8 (09:37):
I think it was always going to happen.

Speaker 7 (09:38):
The only doubt was whether after what happened at Twickenham,
whether a few more of the players who didn't play
particularly well that day would be given.

Speaker 8 (09:47):
An opportunity to atone.

Speaker 7 (09:49):
And I think what they've obviously decided is that no,
that won't happen. There's a bit of fatigue perhaps in
some of those players, and there have been guys who
have been effectively holding tackle bags over in England and
the U and Chicago for the last month without having
any rugby at all, So their mindset's going to be
a little bit annoyed too. So yeah, look, the upshot
is we've got a very fresh looking side. I don't

(10:09):
mind it. I think they'll probably go out and win
well against Wales on Sunday morning.

Speaker 8 (10:14):
What will that tell us? Not too sure.

Speaker 7 (10:16):
I think there'll still be some major questions to be
asked after raise his second year in charge.

Speaker 3 (10:20):
Have you read Gregor Paul's piece which dropped about a
couple of hours ago on the Herald.

Speaker 8 (10:25):
I the one about David Kirk's nuclear option is that.

Speaker 3 (10:29):
The one quite and the nuclear option is that you
gas the Razor coaching team and you bring in Jamie Joseph.
I mean, the fact that that is being talked about
is something, but.

Speaker 8 (10:38):
Is it likely won't happen.

Speaker 7 (10:40):
I rarely can't see a set of circumstances under which
it would happen. The only thing that would make that
happen heither is if they lose to Wales on Sunday,
This team that recently emerged from an eighteen game losing streak.

Speaker 8 (10:53):
That's how bad Wales are.

Speaker 7 (10:54):
Yeah, if they were to lose to Wales, we might
have that conversation. I just don't think they'll be brave
enough to pull that trigger. Midway through a World Cup cycle.

Speaker 3 (11:02):
No, now it looks to me like Australia is not
doing too badly in the ashes already.

Speaker 7 (11:07):
Yeah, and I mean they came out and they always
seem to do well on day one, got a wicket
early on. The ashes are great, you know, I think
over the side of the Tasman. You know, even though
we do not really have any skin in the game,
we'll watching England and Australia go at each other and
read ball cricket, so yea, the Test cricket of fishing
artist will be happy for the next sort of while
I don't even know who I want to win, Heather,
who do you want to win? When Australia plays England

(11:28):
and anything? It's it's a very difficult decision and is
it though?

Speaker 3 (11:32):
I mean it's got Steve Smith in the squad so
England every day.

Speaker 8 (11:36):
Right, okay, and Brendan Mcallen's in charge of them, so yeah,
let's go with the yeah too, right.

Speaker 3 (11:40):
I love it, Piney, thanks very much, Jason Pine Weekend
Sport hosts mid day to three o'clock here at the weekends.
By the way, it's three for forty six at the moment.
Also if you want to watch All Blacks Versus Wells,
or rather if you want to listen to it, Elliott's
gonna call it. This is Elliot Smith's gonna call it
live and free from four am on Sunday here on
News Talk se' b. Have you caught up? This is

(12:03):
so ridiculous. Have you caught up on the spat between
Steve Smith and Monty Panasa? That's I mean Monty Panasa
has now written a column about this in the in
the Telegraph, almost in the herebit in the Telegraph. If
you haven't caught up on this, hang on, take I'm
going to run you through this shortly. It's so dumb
for twenty.

Speaker 1 (12:21):
Two the headlines and the hard questions, it's the mic
asking Breakfast.

Speaker 9 (12:26):
New Zealand first lined up to tell the world they
will campaign on flipping the new regulatory Standards law I
Winston Peters as well as here's my concern, most of
the media are whittingly a pencil of excitement over the
fact that your coalition's falling apart.

Speaker 10 (12:39):
You don't want that that you no, of course not.

Speaker 11 (12:41):
I mean I made the point the number one responsibility
with God. They're made of our difference is to provide
a stable government to the next election. That master that
that's our responsibility. But these journals are celebrating. It's so
like saying, you know, I'm just discussed by the fact
that when I first came to Parliament, people in the
t Press gallery has been around fifteen twenty years at
the top of the class. Now you've got to hold
a journeys that don't want Yes.

Speaker 9 (12:59):
They look like back Monday from six am, the Mike
asking Breakfast with Baby's Real Estate News Talk z B.

Speaker 1 (13:06):
The name you trust to get the answers you need,
it's Heather Duplicy Ellen Drive with one New Zealand coverage
like no one else us talk there'd be here.

Speaker 3 (13:17):
By the way, is Paul Goldsmith having a crack at
Matthew houton.

Speaker 10 (13:20):
Or respect of Matthew?

Speaker 12 (13:22):
I mean that's what he does for the last you know,
as long as I can remember, he's been writing columns
that the National Leader is no good and they're going
to be rolled.

Speaker 10 (13:28):
That's what he does. Same with soperh that.

Speaker 12 (13:30):
They're just that they seem to have are stuck on
the same record.

Speaker 10 (13:35):
So yeah, and Matthew Houghton.

Speaker 3 (13:40):
So we thought Hey, he named checked two people. Why
don't we just have them both on the show. So
we're going to anyway, I'm going to defend my decision
to have Matthew Howton on the show, because it doesn't
need to be defended. We'll get to that. Four twenty six.
I just want to run you through this thing with
Steve Smith and Monty Panasa. Now, if you haven't caught
up on this, this all happened. The ashes are underway, right,
and this all happened a couple of days ago. Monty
Panas wrote that or just said that England should get

(14:02):
into Steve Smith over his involvement in the sandpaper gate
all the way back in twenty eighteen, and Steve Smith
got really upset about it. And then yesterday he called
a press conference and he started having a crack at
Monty Panasa because Monty Panasa I started sledging him for
the fact that he was on Mastermind and that he
did a really poor job of Mastermind. And look, honestly,
like on a scale of you know, stupid, Monty's right

(14:25):
up there with stupid. Like I did not know people
could be the dumb, but Monty can. Anyway, So Monty
has decided. Then Monty has taken this and run with
it and has now written an opinion piece for the
Telegraph in the UK with the headline my mastermind performance
was shocking, but at least I am not a cheat
like Steve Smith, and he says we've both made mistakes,

(14:46):
but at least mine was on a celebrity quiz show.
His was on a cricket field, and we both have
to live by them, it seems right now, only one
of us can. Anyway, This to me is like epically amusing,
because for God's sake, it happened seven year years ago
and we're writing opinion pieces about it and we're dredging
out there anyway. So what we've done is we've gone

(15:06):
and had a look at how hard the questions were
for Monty Panasa and they were not hard. And I'm
going to run them some of them by you and
you can see if you if you're smarter than him.
And the answer is you're smarter than him. Stand by.

Speaker 1 (15:20):
On your smart speaker, on the iHeart app, and in
your car on your drive home, it's Heather duplicy Ellen
drive with one New Zealand and the power of satellite
mobile news talk, sa'd be.

Speaker 2 (15:34):
Coming.

Speaker 3 (15:37):
Please hither, for goodness sake, will you and that washed
out Hootan pull your respective heads and hither you're wrong
about Luxiny, your mates John Campbell, Hither you and so
many of the media are stirring up trouble with Chris Luxen.
Hither I wouldn't believe a word horsian zs the guys
a mischief maker. Okay, here we go. Here's my defense

(15:58):
for why I'm talking to Matthew. How's about this. Matthew
Houston was in fact the first one to call this
possible coup in early September, and at the time, like
no one else, no one else was onto it at all.
And at the time I was like, nah, I don't
think so well. Guess who was right? Matthew Herston was right?
Was matt in the question? Obviously Lingers is was Matthew

(16:18):
Houton right? All to Matthew Howton actually start it? And
it's hard to know because you know, sometimes when you
write a column like that, it starts the thing off.
Now here's here's the value in talking to Matthew Houston.
Matthew did work with National, so he does no National
as a party he's done a co or two in
his day as and he knows how that works. And
also he will have a view as somebody who's been

(16:38):
following and commenting on politics for a very long time,
as to whether it is actually worth doing this, like
whether Chris Bishop is an improvement on Chris Luxen. So
we're going to talk to him alfter five o'clock. Barry
Soper also will give us his take Sledge Sledge Goldie
back in just a minute twenty four away from five.

Speaker 1 (16:55):
It's the world wires on newstalks'd be drive.

Speaker 3 (16:58):
Right to the UK. The COVID Inquiry has released its findings.
The chair of the inquiries his lockdowns could have been
avoided if the government had acted faster when the pandemic hit.

Speaker 13 (17:06):
I can summarize my findings of the response as too little,
too late. All four governments failed to appreciate the scale
of the threat or the urgency of response it demanded.
In the early part of twenty twenty.

Speaker 3 (17:24):
Over in the States, Trump has accused a group of
Democrat senators of sedition. The senators put out a video
encouraging public servants and military service members to refuse to
follow orders that are not constitutional right now.

Speaker 14 (17:35):
The threats to our constitution aren't just coming from a
road from right here at home.

Speaker 8 (17:39):
Our laws are clear.

Speaker 10 (17:40):
You can refuse illegal orders.

Speaker 3 (17:43):
You can refuse illegal orders.

Speaker 2 (17:45):
You must refuse illegal orders.

Speaker 13 (17:47):
No one has to carry out orders that violate the
law or our constitution.

Speaker 3 (17:52):
Trump responded to the video on truth social saying seditious
behavior punishable by death. And finally, the Italian Agriculture minister
has called for an investigation into a very serious thing,
a Belgian brand of Carbonara sauce. Now the source has
appeared on the shelves at a supermarket in the European
Parliament and Brussels. It is labeled as Carbonara sauce, despite

(18:14):
the fact that it contains pancetta, and according to the
Italians that is an utter outrage. The correct kind of
pork to including carbonara, is what guan chila? One chila Yeah.

Speaker 1 (18:29):
International correspondence with Ends and Eye Insurance Peace of Mind
for New Zealand Business.

Speaker 3 (18:35):
Charles Feldman, US correspondent with US Now High Charles, Hey,
how are you doing ya? I'm very well. You've ever
heard of guan chila before?

Speaker 14 (18:43):
I can't say they have, but I've probably eaten kN
it without knowing.

Speaker 3 (18:48):
It's probably a lot of things we've eaten without knowing
what we're doing. Charles, listen, what's going on with Trump
and the seditious stuff? Is he being serious?

Speaker 8 (18:57):
Ah?

Speaker 14 (18:58):
Wow, Well, I tell you, if he is, it is
one of the most extraordinary things ever from a president
of the United States. I mean, thank you, how extraordinary
this is. At a news conference or the press briefing
that they have every day at the White House, a
reporter actually had to ask the President's press secretary if

(19:19):
President Trump was serious about having Democratic Congress people executed
for sedition, and the press secretary said, no, no, no,
you know, he was referring to, you know, the fact
that his orders are lawful, and if they were, you know,
defying lawful order, that would be sedition. But that actually

(19:41):
is not what President Trump said on his social media.
Is he serious? You know a lot of people over
these past few years, they've always said, well, you know,
he's not serious about this, he's not serious about that.
And you know what, it's turned out that on many
of those things he was serious.

Speaker 3 (19:59):
Okay, Yeah, this is the difficulty with him. It's very
hard to know, isn't it? From things a thing, and
yet we find ourselves distracted by He's got a meeting
with Zoran Mandamin. Is it tomorrow in the Oval Office?

Speaker 14 (20:10):
Yes? Yeah, Friday in the Oval Office. And it was
at the request, apparently of the mayor elect of New
York City. And they are not exactly friendly toward one another.
Trump did not support him during the mayoral race, and
Trump consistently refers to him incorrectly as a communist.

Speaker 2 (20:34):
He's not.

Speaker 14 (20:34):
He is a self proclaimed social Democrat, which is sort
of unusual in the United States anyway in terms of
political affiliation. But you know, what Mondami is doing is
smart by wanting to meet with President Trump, because at
the end of the day, all cities sooner or later
need federal assistance, new York City among them. And why

(20:58):
antagonize somebody who at point is going to have to
sign some checks.

Speaker 3 (21:03):
How do you think it's going to go down there?
I mean, you could because these guys are the polar
opposite of each other, right, So does it actually is
it in both of their best interests to get on
with each other or to create a scene in there?

Speaker 15 (21:16):
Now?

Speaker 14 (21:17):
I think that my guess is it's going to go
surprisingly Well, you know, President Trump is a transactional politician.
If he thinks that by doing something it's going to
be the result is going to be favorable to him,

(21:37):
he will act accordingly. And you know, keep in mind
that Mandai got a pretty big vote popular vote in
New York City and pulled off quite a feat. He
was somebody that didn't have any name recognition, he didn't
have a lot of money to begin with, and yet
he managed to defeat people who were considered very seasoned politicians.

Speaker 10 (22:00):
Trump is not a fool.

Speaker 14 (22:02):
He's going to look at that as somebody who managed
to pull off something that was quite spectacular. And you know,
Trump is a hard in New Yorker, and I think
he's going to want to present himself as somebody who
does have New York's interests at height.

Speaker 3 (22:16):
Yeah, Charles, thank you very much for talking us through.
I appreciate it. Charles Feldman, US correspondent, eighteen away from
five hither. Christa Watner has quit the Civil Aviation Authority.
Krista Watner is one of the cops that was just
under one of the letters, you know, like Officer A
or Officer B or whatever it was in the IPCA report.
Read the Gemmick skimming stuff. Now he'd already moved to

(22:38):
the CIA, he has now quit there. The CIA says
he's decided that it's best for him to step away
from his role to minimize any reputational impact on the
Civil Aviation Authority and the safety and security services We
provide Heather by assigning credibility to Matthew, who's in yourself
sabotaging your own credibility? Do you know what? I am

(22:59):
always slightly baffled by how visceral people get about talking
to the possible talk of like the talk of possibly
rolling a national party leader. Settle down. It's not your job,
it's their job. I mean, they are the ones who
should be upset about it. And just because you shout
at me on the texts and say you're wrong, doesn't
mean I'm wrong, does it? It doesn't make it go It

(23:20):
doesn't make it go away, does it?

Speaker 11 (23:22):
Now?

Speaker 3 (23:22):
Here we go. This is the quiz that Monty Betham,
Monty Beatham, Monty Panasa took and it came out surprisingly
stupid on I'm not gonna lie, okay, So this was
on what was it? Mastermind? He was asked this, okay,
at which sign of the zodiac is represented by a crab.
You know that it's the by the can it's the

(23:43):
cancer right, yeah, he goes scorpion. I don't even think
that's a sign of the zodiac anyway. That lord, what
is the title? He was asked what is the title
of Aa Miln's stage adaptation of Kenneth Graham's children novel
children's novel The Wind in the Willow? He went straight
to Harry Potter. It's not Harry Potter, obviously, it's Toad

(24:08):
of toad Hall, Which Asian island city state is served
by Changey International Airport. Now you know the answer to this.
It's Singapore. His answer Shanghai. Shanghai is not even an
island bait. Shall I find another one that's particular? Oh yeah,

(24:31):
this one's quite dumb. This one's quite dumb. In an
eighteen nineteen poem, what season of the year does Keats
describe as a season of mist and mellow fruitfulness? Now
the clues in season, So you've got four of them
you can choose from. You could go summer, you could
go autumn, winter, spring. The correct answer is obviously autumn,

(24:52):
he shouted out. Oliver Twist, Oh Monty What I love
about Monty is he doesn't mind. He's like, yeah, I
didn't do well, So what Barry Soapers next quarter two.

Speaker 1 (25:05):
Politics with centrics credit, check your customers and get payments certainty.

Speaker 3 (25:09):
Here the Monty being dumbe is better than being a
cheap well, that is the point that Monty makes as well.
Thirteen away from five Barry Soaper Senior Political Correspondence with
that's hello Barry, Good afternoon here Paul Goldsmith's sledge.

Speaker 16 (25:20):
Well, I've had a word to Goldie this afternoon. I'm
sure he won't mind me telling you this either that
he withdrew and apologized. Because I've never been a crack
record when it comes to leaders. But if you look
at over the years that I've seen a couple of
attempts and they both, funnily enough, are in the National Party.
There's Rob Muldoon years back that there was a force

(25:44):
gathering behind the scenes and they approached Brian Toolboys from
Southland to take over from Muldoon. That's when Muldoon's Rob's
Mob started and he went public and the public said
they didn't want to change in leader. And then Bulge
and Jenny Shipley. We know all about that. There's no
point in going into that. But look, this is what

(26:05):
gold he said this morning that so offended.

Speaker 10 (26:08):
Me or respect of Matthew.

Speaker 12 (26:10):
I mean, that's what he does for the last you know,
as long as I can remember, he's been writing columns
that the National leader is no good and they're going
to be rolled. That's what he does, saying with sober
that they're just that they seem to have a.

Speaker 10 (26:21):
Stuck on the same record. Yeah, and Matthew.

Speaker 16 (26:25):
Hohodon, Well, there's not telling a his story about leaders
being rolled. It was when Bill English was rolled in
after the two thousand and two dreadful election result for
the National Party. Then Don Brash took over and Paul
Holmes was interviewing me on radio on this Ferry station
and said to me, is he a dead man walking?

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And I said, no, more like a twitching corpse. Well,
within minutes the phone went. Bill was on the phone
giving me what oh for what I had said on radio,
And I said, look, your time's up, Bill, it's going
to happen today. He said, you're rubbish. I've got the numbers.
I know, I've got the numbers. And I said, they
this is what they do. In leadership, they always tell
you they'll vote for you because they know to do

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otherwise they may suffer the consequences further down the track.
And don't forget these votes are always secret vote, so
you never know where people are voting. But I don't
think it's going to come that with lux and I
think they will realize, those who may be talking about
it will realize that, Look, National would have a worse
chance of being re elected with the Luxeon not at

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the helm.

Speaker 3 (27:33):
So you think in the end they'll they'll they'll lose
their bottle.

Speaker 16 (27:36):
Yeah, I don't think they'll have the numbers in the end, frankly,
And I think what Chris lux should do is go
into the caucus on Tuesday. And so, look, there is
talk about this now, somebody's been talking to the media
and certainly they have been to me then.

Speaker 3 (27:49):
To quell it for once in time flush them out.
Did Goldie deny that he'd heard the talk.

Speaker 16 (27:57):
No, he basically he had heard people had been talking
about There's no doubt about that.

Speaker 3 (28:05):
I had heard people have been talking that, you know what,
that way was interesting this morning.

Speaker 16 (28:10):
I don't know whether you heard our dear old friend
Winston Peters. He basically was asked whether what sort of
a job Chris Luxon was doing. He wasn't prepared to
commit to any in any way, give him a one
out of ten or whatever. But it was Peters himself
who came back to it after the interview had been
essentially wound up, and had this to say.

Speaker 10 (28:30):
I'm giving a speech in the new year.

Speaker 11 (28:32):
When the first quarter is known, I'll give you an
update about the state of the play. Then, unlike the rest,
I'll give my speech after the first quarter, the announcement
of the state of the economy, not in January, in Februar,
before he even got the information.

Speaker 16 (28:45):
So he's playing his cards close to the chest. But
the thing is, if both Winston and David Seymour said
to the National Party you roll him, you're not going
to have coalition partners. That was certainly put it to death.

Speaker 3 (28:58):
And they don't want, I mean especially doesn't want Luxeon.

Speaker 10 (29:01):
To be rolled.

Speaker 3 (29:02):
No, it doesn't because if it worked out that Bishop
was better at the job, which is always a possibility,
then they may steal votes. The Nets may steal votes
back off New Zealand. First, what's going on between Winston
and David, is this a serious thing?

Speaker 16 (29:14):
Well, look, you've got to look at the history of
these two before joining up with lux and Seymour called
Peter's the least trustworthy person in New Zealand politics, at
clown and a grandpa no shrinking violets. Peter held his own,
calling Seymour a colder puppet, an accidental mari and a

(29:36):
juhuahwah barking at every cat, human being or fellow dog
at that.

Speaker 3 (29:41):
So that post they love each other.

Speaker 16 (29:43):
They too love each other. But look, I'll tell you what.
I haven't listened to them bristling about each other today.

Speaker 11 (29:49):
Because we've done a best to fix it up. But
that sort of intervention in the democratic process is not
fit for a modern democracy. It was in the Coliston Agreement,
but we will campaign against it in twenty twenty six.

Speaker 17 (30:02):
Well, it's pretty worrying because that's Labour's position. It sounds
like he's getting ready to go with Labor again.

Speaker 10 (30:08):
They'll make me laugh.

Speaker 17 (30:10):
It's hard to know what he's trying to do from
one day to the next.

Speaker 11 (30:13):
I'm making it very clear we'll we stand. We believe
in the fundamental principles of democracy and the paramountcy of Parliament,
not an unelected committee.

Speaker 17 (30:21):
This is a landmark piece of legislation that X would
never vote to get rid of. So if he wants
to do that, he's got to go with labor.

Speaker 16 (30:29):
And of course they were talking about the regulatory standards.

Speaker 3 (30:31):
Estant, I have so many more questions about that. O'Day what,
let's let me we'll come back to it when we
wrete the political week at quarter past six Berry, So
for senior political correspondence correspondents seven away from five hither,
I think the constant talk of rolling the national leader
by you guys in the media is often why the
leaders get rolled. I mean, I think that that's kind
of what I was saying before. It can become a

(30:51):
self fulfilling prophecy. Count it four away from five. Listen.
Apparently the medical the DIY do it at home medical
tests that we often do, you know, the things like
the rat the rat kits in the pregnancy tests and
all that kind of stuff, Apparently some of them are
no more accurate than flipping a coin. And this is
according to a paper in the New Zealand Medical Journal,

(31:12):
which says they perform some of them perform really poorly,
and it basically comes down to a lack of regulations.
There's no actual standard as to what you're allowed to
sell in New Zealand. We're going to talk to Luke Bradford,
who's the medical director at the Royal New Zealand College
of GPS to get him to give you his take.
He'll be with us after five. Almost forgot. I have
to guess. Guess who's back.

Speaker 18 (31:32):
Well, I'm announcing that I'm standing for Labor in Mount
Roschal in twenty twenty six.

Speaker 3 (31:38):
Yeah, I guess it's not that recognizable a voice, is it.
It's Michael Wood. Michael Wood is back.

Speaker 18 (31:44):
Twenty twenty three was a very bruising experience that really
put me on the floor and I need to think
about whether it was right for me, whether it was
right for Labor.

Speaker 3 (31:55):
Probably not. But he's doing it anyway now. If you
don't remember, he he lost his seat in the last
election after the drama about the shares that caused the
possible conflict of interest.

Speaker 18 (32:05):
I have no sher portfolio now. Those shares so many
problems were sold. The proceeds were given to charity.

Speaker 3 (32:12):
So Michael woodback. Now do you know why Michael woods Back.
I mean, I don't want to start another one, do I.
But Michael does fans and himself as a potential leader.
So that's why Michael woods Back. Anyway, speaking of leaders
let's do Matthew Howton next.

Speaker 1 (32:38):
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Speaker 3 (32:52):
Emp right, Good afternoon. The whiskers are getting louder about
Christopher Luxon's leadership nationally, MPs are talking about the possible
ability of rolling the Prime Minister. Mike Hosting asked Winston
Peters this morning whether raccoup was in the works.

Speaker 11 (33:05):
They're not going to get me as I would love
to say, Oh, Winston Peter's have been involved in the
national fay leadship question. No, I'm not. You're not going
to get me or any of my colleagues involved in that.
We get on and do our job properly.

Speaker 3 (33:16):
And then Winston made these comments about working in politics.

Speaker 11 (33:18):
In the end, it's this politics is a complex business.
You've got to understand. You've got to have a neck,
you've got to be able to read the room and
hear the room. That's all I'm going to say.

Speaker 3 (33:29):
Political commentator Matthew Houston has written a column today saying
a reshuffle is needed at the highest levels of government
and he's with us now him Matthew Good, Matthew, what
are the chances that he actually does get rolled?

Speaker 19 (33:41):
Oh?

Speaker 4 (33:42):
Time's running out this year, so you know, it's certainly
no more than fifty to fifty. And part of that
is because despite the National Party's poor polling in particular,
you know, you'd have to say that probably the current
coalition would be re elected won maybe two seats if
an election were held now, And so that makes the

(34:07):
idea of rolling the sitting Prime Minister an even bigger
decision than it would normally be.

Speaker 3 (34:13):
Are you hearing that if they do decide to do it,
the most likely replacement is christ Bership? Yes, would Bishop
be better?

Speaker 4 (34:22):
Well, I mean, if you look at the IPSOS data,
it's difficult to think anyone could do worse. I mean,
you've got a National Party that is behind labor on
the economy and the cost of living, for God's sake,
I mean, there has never been a more economically destructive
government in New Zealand's history than those last couple of

(34:45):
years of the adourn regime. Yet voters are saying that
this one's worse. Now that's not objectively even true, but
it's what it's how voters feel. And you know, when
you talk to senior ministers as you are, you have
as well they say, well, actually, we're doing a lot
of good stuff.

Speaker 2 (35:04):
We are trying to.

Speaker 4 (35:05):
Crack down on the supermarkets, the banks, the fuel companies.
Where we're building roads, We've got an infrastructure pipeline, we're
re forming the RMA. We don't curriculum reform, you know.
But it's just that these things all just look disjointed
and discombobulated, you know. And so therefore it starts to

(35:27):
look as if the problem really is one of communication
and not leadership of the government. I mean, Christoph Luckson,
when you go through his cabinet, he has put the
people in the right roles. Probably he has stopped all
the in fighting. I mean, he would have made an
outstanding chief of staff to a prime minister. But where
he is clearly failing and always has failed, is on

(35:49):
the question of national leadership. He's not just the leader
of the National Party, the leader of the government, the
chair of Cabinet. This job is leader of the country
and the vote is the same. They don't see him
as performing in that area.

Speaker 3 (36:02):
Okay, now, do you want to name some names about
who's involved with this?

Speaker 2 (36:07):
No?

Speaker 3 (36:07):
Why not?

Speaker 4 (36:10):
Because I have talked I imagine to the same people
you have talked to, and there's all sorts of you
hear different things from different people. You know, I heard
yesterday your disagreement with Barry very sober over the over
whether this was happening, and this Paul Goldsmith's comments this morning.

(36:30):
If you talk to different MPs you're here. Look, it's
completely untenable that this guy is there by Christmas. We've
got to get rid of him right through to we've
got to stick with him right through to he's going
to radically reshuffle his cabinet right through to there's going
to be a big policy announcement to reset the government.

Speaker 20 (36:47):
You know.

Speaker 4 (36:47):
So there's not a clear picture of what's happening, but
what except for they're all talking about it in ways
which are dissatisfied, and I think there's a stand I
don't think, as I outlined in the Herald column. I
don't think he can reshuffle his cabinet in a meaningful
way for various reasons. And I think that the Caucus

(37:11):
of National pay just isn't quite ready to move against him.
So I think probably, to go back to your very
first question, I think most probably the limp on to
Christmas roughly as they are now.

Speaker 3 (37:22):
Okay, Matthew, Thank you very much. Matthew, who's your political commentator.
So it might not happen, but they're definitely thinking about it.
Twelve past five.

Speaker 2 (37:30):
Ever, dup see Ellen.

Speaker 3 (37:32):
The government's facing court action over the current situation with
the transgender athletes, inclusion and community sport. Now you'll remember
what's gone on here. Sport New Zealand released some guidelines
about how sporting organizations could include transgender people. Then they
withdrew those guidelines after they were told to by Minister
Mark Mitchell. Auckland Pride has now filed for a judicial review.
Been good serves from Auckland Pride High Ben Hi, how's

(37:53):
it going? Very good? Thank you? What are you hoping
might happen after this court action?

Speaker 15 (37:58):
What we're really hoping for is that the Minister will
have a serious look at this and consider his obligations
under the law, which is the Human Rights Act, and
what Sports and Z is expected to achieve in terms
of including everyone in community sports in New Zealand.

Speaker 3 (38:14):
So practical outcome would be that you would hope that
transgender athletes will be reincluded.

Speaker 15 (38:21):
Absolutely, transgender athletes should be included in community sport because
community sport is for the whole community. But actually these
guidelines are what local sporting organizations have been asking for
and did ask for when they were developed, because local
sports organizations and the volunteers who run sports across our

(38:42):
country every weekend want just practical tips to make sure
that everyone in their communities can be involved.

Speaker 3 (38:49):
Has the withdrawal of the guidelines lead to effectively transgender
athletes being excluded or is it still up to the
sporting organizations to make up their minds.

Speaker 15 (38:58):
Ultimately, it is up to every sporting organization to work
through this. But taking away the guidelines as a tool
one means that it's harder for the volunteers who are
running sports to get good answers and to help send
a message to trans people that they're included. And also
it sends a message from the government that they don't

(39:20):
think that inclusion of trans and rabo communities should be
a priority, and we just don't agree with that.

Speaker 3 (39:27):
By the way, obviously had a call this week from
the government on the puberty blockers. What do you make
of that?

Speaker 15 (39:33):
Again, we think that this is just another case of
the government riding roughshod over the Human Rights Act and
making decisions that aren't based on the evidence and aren't
based on considerations of what is the human right of
trans people to have good healthcare and to make decisions
with their doctors about their healthcare.

Speaker 3 (39:53):
All right, Ben, thanks very much, appreciate it. I've been good.
So from Auckland.

Speaker 2 (39:55):
Pride, Heather do for CILA.

Speaker 3 (39:58):
Heather, what charity did Michael Wan donate to? Can he
prove that he gave his shares to the charity? Heather
proceeds to charity? Show us the receipts. What twaddle from
Reese that goes on like that. I would agree with that. Well,
I mean you can't like if Michael would actually matter,
I would ask him for the receipts. But it doesn't matter.

(40:20):
But yeah, I appreciate your level of cynicism and skepticism
about this quarter past hither OMG. I'd like to know
who these voters are who think National and Chris Luxen
are doing worse than Labour last term. I mean, the
lesson from this is that voters have very short memories,
don't they? Eighteen past five? Now, it turns out the
old DIY pregnancy tests and rat kits for the COVID

(40:41):
may be no more accurate than a coin toss. An
article out today in the New Zealand Medical Journal warns
that many of these rapid tests are unregulated, with one
test giving false negatives eighty eight percent of the time.
Doctor Luke Bradford is the medical director at the Royal
New Zealand College of GPS.

Speaker 6 (40:55):
Hi Luke, Hi, Heather, how are you doing.

Speaker 3 (40:57):
I'm very well, thank you if you come across this.

Speaker 6 (41:02):
I've had certainly seen a huge increase in people accessing
these sort of over the counter self tests, and it's
going to increase even further. It's massive now in Australia
and the UK, and so there is a bit of
concern when some of them are just not tested or
regulated and we don't know how accurate they are.

Speaker 3 (41:20):
Okay, have you, I mean, have you ever seen a
case where somebody has come in sworn black and blue
that they've got COVID because the test shows and they don't,
or somebody who's come in and said that they're I
don't know, not pregnant than they are.

Speaker 6 (41:33):
There's certainly some cases with the yearine pregnancy tests, which
in very very early pregnancy, when they'll be negative and
it turns out that they are positive when you run
a blood Wow. But but the paper that came out
today is sort of found two or three cases of
different pregnancy tests kits over the years that have proven

(41:55):
to be inaccurate. I think the concern was it's just
an example that if they're coming in and you're getting
whole products that aren't accurate, then we've got some people
who are going to be having some misleading results.

Speaker 3 (42:06):
Yeah, so basically it needs to be regulated, doesn't it.
What do you make of these tests? You ever come
across these ones? You can get them at the supermarket
pharmacies where you know, you stick the thing up your
nose and you do the test, and then you can
find out if you've got flu A or flu B
or RSV or COVID. Do you rate that?

Speaker 6 (42:22):
Yeah, Look, they're really useful today alone, I've diagnosed a
baby with respiratory sin city or virus on that and
a kid with a flu a off it. So they
are pretty good. But again we want to make sure
that they're accurate. Yeah, we want to make sure people
are getting told that they have got it or haven't
got it correctly. And so when you get the stuff
you can buy off fally Express, et cetera, it isn't
tested or and no recourse on it. That's a worry. Hey.

Speaker 3 (42:43):
What is the value though in actually knowing whether you've
got flu, a flub or coviduo Exactly the same?

Speaker 6 (42:52):
Yeah, I mean, but first of all, it tells you
likely don't need antibiotics. Oh yeah, it also around some
of that contagion control. I mean, flu is pretty deadly. Still,
we do want to keep away from vulnerable people and
we've got the flu, so that that's a worthwhile thing.
RSV is different advice, and that's on the same squad.
I'm sorry, swab.

Speaker 3 (43:11):
Yeah, yeah, cool. Look, I really appreciate it, Luke Bradford,
Royal New Zealand College of GP practic GP's medical director.
If you haven't come across those ones, I rate it.
But that's just a peace of mind thing, right, because
I've got little kids, so it's quite handy to know
what you're dealing with when you get something through the
house and you do I'm sticking it up their noses.
A bit of a hassle, isn't it. But you do
that and then you know you flu a or whatever.

(43:32):
Then you know, oh Lord, here we go. That's a
week of it. It's sort of it's quite helpful just
to kind of map it out in your head. I suppose, Hey,
cool news for you. Harbor Bridge is going to be
clogged up again with the protest in Auckland again tomorrow.
This time it's going to be a fishing convoy protest.
A bunch of recreational fishes are opposed to an act
about the Hodarky Golf, which has already passed and become

(43:53):
an act. So it's a bit late to be having
the protest, but they're doing it anyway, and they're going
to be towing everything. They're driving. Thirty k's coming across
the harbor Bridge. Police are going to watch. I sort
of I don't love it, and I sort of would
love people who want to do protests to maybe just
like not try to wind the rest of us up,
because I don't think it helps the cause. Five to

(44:14):
twenty one, cutting.

Speaker 2 (44:16):
Through the noise to get the facts.

Speaker 1 (44:17):
It's Heather Duficcy Ellen drive with one New Zealand coverage
like no one else news talks.

Speaker 3 (44:23):
They'd be lunch in the cricket. This is the ASHES
four for one hundred and five. We've got the sportshuddle
of us. Shortly we have a chat to them about it.
It's twenty four past five.

Speaker 5 (44:31):
Now.

Speaker 3 (44:32):
Look, I can't say that I'm terribly hopeful about the
news this morning that the police may press charges over
Pike River, only because we've seen this news before, haven't we.
I mean, let's do the comparison. This is today's headline.
Lawyer for Pike River Families says police have enough evidence
to lay manslaughter charges. This is the headline from March
tenh twenty twenty two, three years ago. Lawyer for families

(44:55):
now confident manslaughter prosecution will be pursued by police. Well,
he said it three years ago, he's saying it again today.
What's happened in the last three years. If Nigel Hampton
was confident three years ago, why hasn't it happened yet,
and what's changed since then to make it actually happen now?
Now I don't think I mean. I think Nigel Hampton
does mean well here. I think he's trying to put

(45:15):
pressure on the decision makers to just make the decision
and lay the charges. But I do worry there's a
part of me that worries that he may be giving
false hope here. Don't get me wrong, though, I do
think if they've got the evidence, I would like to
see them go ahead and lay the charges because I've
never been able to shake the feeling that something funny
has gone on here. The payment to the families in
exchange for dropping the charges against Peter Whittle, the rush

(45:35):
to seal the mine, the fact that because the mind
wasn't sealed, the cops were then able to actually recover
evidence that the otherwise would not have been able. To
the fact that it took years for police finally to
drill the ball holes and then they look through the
ball holes and what there are the human remains that
the families wanted to find. That all made me feel
real weird about it. I think there's quite a clear
public interest in taking this to court, to settle the

(45:56):
question of whether someone should have been held responsible. I
would say to the point that even if the case
is a little flimsier than police would like it to be,
even if they would otherwise not press charges because they
can't be sure that it would succeed, I think the
public interest dictates they should go ahead and do it,
because sometimes it's just as important to see justice being done,
as you know, the hope that justice will actually lead

(46:16):
to charges or convictions. But as I say, I am
not hopeful here because, like you, I've read this headline.

Speaker 2 (46:23):
Before, here the duplessy Ellen.

Speaker 3 (46:26):
Hey, here is something really interesting, right, Greg? Did you know?
Here's the question, did you know that Raser is not
actually the head coach of the All Blacks? No, me neither.
So greeg Or Paul at the Herald has written a
piece which dropped and I talked Piney about it just
before it dropped about two o'clock this afternoon, so three
and a half hours ago. In this piece he explains

(46:46):
that Scott Robertson is not actually the coach of the
All Blacks. Scott Hanson, his assistant coach, is really the
coach of the All Blacks. Razer describes himself as a
culture coach. He thinks he's responsible, well, he says, I
mean he is. He is responsible for theming campaigns, for
communicating one on one with players to manage their expectations
and their career progression, and the traditional duties that you

(47:09):
would associate with being the head coach. That's not carried
out by Raiser, that's carried out by Scott Hansen. Now
does this beg the question? Because I because look, even
even the biggest Razor fans, and I would consider myself
a Raiser fan, even the biggest Razor fans have to
know how after two seasons be reasonably disappointed in what's
happened with the All Blacks And they're a winning record, right,

(47:32):
I mean, let's just call it for what it is,
a massive disappointment at this stage. Is it a disappointment? Though?
Because Raiser is not actually the one coaching them and
some other chap called Scott Hanson is the one. Is
maybe that the problem is that why the All Blacks
aren't doing that well? Anyway? I also feel like a
little bit duped by this to you. I mean, I
hear I was all really excited about the breakdowns of

(47:52):
being the coach, but turns out he's not. It's as
short mate to us. Anyway. We'll talk to the sports
huddle about this. But what I'm keen to know is
if everybody knew that this was the case, and I'm
the only person who finds this surprising, they were with us.

Speaker 1 (48:03):
Next hard questions, strong opinion, Hi, the dup sell and
drive with one New Zealand and the power of satellite
mobile can U s talks?

Speaker 2 (48:19):
It'd be.

Speaker 10 (48:27):
Do we care?

Speaker 3 (48:28):
Do we still care? Who's one Miss Universe? We can
Mexico has one Missuniverse? Why? That's slightly interesting? Well done?
Well done? Mexico like definitely a country full of hot
women and kind of average men. Actually, some Mexican men
are quite handsome. To be honest, Lord, what am I
doing just passing comment on an entire nation? Like there

(48:50):
is like one I mean, let's be honest about lot.
I'm definitely dogging a whole now, aren't I Some countries
are hotter than other countries, aren't they? Like French ladies
are really hot. Yeah, nobody says that about New Zealand ladies,
do they? We just were just right at the bottom
of the pile. Anyway, the reason that it's interesting that
she's won is because she walked out on the organizers
and allegied abuse and stuff, and then she's taken it out.

(49:10):
So well done her. Anyway. I'll tell you what we
do actually care about is the AI stocks. The rally
that we had yesterday appears to have been a little
short lived, so it went down and then up and
then down again. Today Benchmark S and P five hundred
is closed down when six Dow Jones Industrial Averages closed
down zero point eight, Nasdak Composite closed down two point two.
I will talk to Mark Lister of Craigs about that,
what the hell is going on with the AI stocks.

(49:33):
He'll be with us after six o'clock. It is twenty
three away from.

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Speaker 2 (49:49):
There's so much good stuff that we did out there.

Speaker 21 (49:51):
We're just didn't take advantage job at James Swings too
so quickly.

Speaker 16 (49:55):
We know what chessboard is, test football is like, and
you just needed to finish.

Speaker 22 (49:59):
More so far as to say that what they've achieved
in the past few months stands as one of the
most resilient displays we've ever seen from a Silver Fern squad.

Speaker 5 (50:10):
Who have you in the room is seen mastermind and
Monty Panasar on that those of you haven't do yourself
a favor because it's pretty comical.

Speaker 3 (50:18):
On the sports titled Me this evening, we have Paul
Allison News Talks he'd be rugby commentator and Hamish Mackai
Goldsport Rugby commentsator. Hello you too, Okay, Paul, is isn't
a surprise to you, Paul, because I'm surprised to find
out Razor is not actually the head coach of the
All Blacks.

Speaker 20 (50:36):
Well, he is head coach in terms of official title,
but in terms of what role he plays it may
be more of a managerial oversight role. I know that
with the Crusaders he was the guy that was the
inspiration and the motivation. I don't know if he was
a tactical, technical person that did so much hands on coaching.
And that's what we're hearing out of your Black camp.

Speaker 13 (50:56):
Now.

Speaker 3 (50:56):
This is a great woo woo. I don't like this.

Speaker 20 (51:00):
Well, well, I mean that's the way it's been. They've
got so many coaches in there. I think they actually
got themselves confused about how many they need. I was
in Argentina earlier this year and they warmed up and
there was about fifty of the all Black squad players, coaches, officials,
and support crew on the field. You looked across the
other side and Argentina had about two thirds that amount,
and you just sort of wonder what the number of

(51:20):
people that got in there, whether or not they're actually
getting a bit confused. And I mean we've had a
few drop away ley on McDonald's dropped away Jason Hollins
about the fallout of the mix. You go back though
two years either when we get back to what was
a July twenty twenty two when John Pluntree and Brad
Maher exited and Jason Ryan and Joe Smith came in,
and you might say then that Ian Foster wasn't necessarily

(51:42):
the head coach either, that some of the lieutenants were
doing a lot of the bulk work. And I just
wonder whether the same sort of thing might be happening here.

Speaker 3 (51:49):
Now, what's your take on this?

Speaker 19 (51:52):
Iss Well, I'd just like to say, if we're going
to compare with all durispects got hands into Joe Smith,
then we might will give up now. And the reality
is there that with Joe Schmidt back then in twenty
twenty two, he was given, in my understanding, carte blanche
to go and suss out what was going on. And
had he wanted to work with Rais of Robertson, which

(52:14):
he clearly didn't, he would have he would have made
that call then and there, and he and the Foster
wouldn't have taken the all backs through to a very
near victory in twenty twenty three. You know here on
their chiny Chin Chin lost to South Africa, got past
that great Irish side. Look, I don't know. I mean,
as far as I'm concerned, the only way we can
look at this is that Raiser Robinson is the gaffer.

(52:35):
He's come through on popular vote. You know, Bula, I'm
off to Fiji if you don't pick me now, I'm
off to coach England. Not that England knew anything about it.
So he's got everything to answer for here and he's
the gaffer. He's responsible. McDonald's left. Hollins left because he
just doesn't have any power or any say and doesn't
want to be ultimately tarnished by this brush. So there's

(52:56):
big it's about to be some serious quick.

Speaker 20 (53:00):
Uestions are what's the chance that they put out an
SOS to the professor, the man that fixes it all
and Wayne Smith? They bought him in just before the
Test match against South Africa at Eden Park to retain
that outstanding record. He seems to fix everything else that
he's come in and had a fingerprint or a handful over.
And you just wonder whether or not he might get

(53:20):
an SOS call over the summer months to say can
you come in and spend some time with the All
Blacks in early twenty twenty six.

Speaker 3 (53:25):
Is he looking for a full time job pool Because
I've got one thing.

Speaker 20 (53:28):
No, I don't think so, No, not. I don't think
he will age in stage. He's sixty eight now, he's
been there, done that, done everything else. But I think
he might just come in and maybe have the occasional
word or two and point them in the right direction
because at the moment the All Blacks they talked at
the start of the season when Raiser named his team
that they are going to play a wide, open, running,
entertaining brand of rugby. Well they haven't been able to

(53:49):
execute on that this year, to play the stop start game.
They've been inconsistent. Not the only nation in the world
to be inconsistent, but they haven't really unleashed the talent
that we all thought that they might do this year,
and they've been a little bit disappointing. They haven't kicked on.
So they're still where they were three or four months ago.
In my opinion. You might look back and say, Okay,
Razor has bought nineteen new players in since he's been

(54:10):
in that role, but the development of them on the
paddock doesn't appear out from my eyes anyhow to really
have made that much of a positive progress.

Speaker 19 (54:18):
Yeah, okay, Now I just wondered very quickly with it,
where it's more desperation than nineteen players that have come in,
and to the lost to England, the loss of South
Africa to Argentina, and we did get a get lucky
card against Scotland. They're just things that need to be answered.
I think the best solution would be a clean out
and Jamie Joseph. Then we can't get Tony Brown. That's

(54:39):
a shame, but we won't go again them.

Speaker 3 (54:40):
I don't know.

Speaker 19 (54:40):
Out of that contract.

Speaker 3 (54:42):
Are you suggesting how is that we knew could raizor
team altogether?

Speaker 19 (54:46):
Yeah? I do. I'm suggesting we go Jamie Joseph with
and I love Paul's idea about the Professor and maybe
just maybe Joe now that he's sort of come to
the hard yards for him now the Walla it might
be involved. If I had Jamie, Joseph, Wayne Smith and
Joseph Smith, I would go around town and start an
investment signed and banket on the All Blacks winning the
next World Cup without them.

Speaker 3 (55:05):
No, Okay, Well, has he lost his mind? Or is
this actually sensible?

Speaker 20 (55:10):
I think there's a merit and what Kamish is saying,
but the chance of it happening, I think I see
the pigs flying past the window at the moment.

Speaker 3 (55:18):
Kirk, Paul doesn't, doesn't doesn't David Kirk have the k
to make tough decisions like he's a do it guy.

Speaker 20 (55:25):
Well, they're still got a board that's settling into their
new role, to be fair, and whether or not they're
prepared to make these hard decisions right now or not,
I mean, let's not just push the emergency exit just yet.
But what we've seen so far has been unconvincing. Now
whether they can turn that around. They'll do an in
depth review like they always do at the end of
the season, and we'll see if there's something more to

(55:46):
it than what they're actually that we we don't know
about from where we're looking from where we are from
a distance, from outside of the camp. If it's an
unhappy camp inside, if there's no continuity, if there's a
bit of unrest, there's no direction. If that's the case,
maybe there'll be some changes, but I think it'll be
a hard core because from my understanding, Raids has been
appointed for four years. Let's see what happens.

Speaker 3 (56:08):
Well paid them out before and we all right, lads
will take a break, come back very shortly. It's seventeen
away from.

Speaker 1 (56:13):
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Speaker 3 (56:21):
Okay back with the sports tittle, Hamus Makay, Paul Allison
now Hamish. One of the things that's probably got outsized
media attention this week has been the Breakers and the
Pride Round. I'm not sure Pride rounds do anybody any good.
I think that's the fault. Well, that's the problem, right there.
What do you think?

Speaker 19 (56:36):
Yeah, I don't understand the Yeah, look I kind of
get the thinking, but I don't understand the implementation or
why it clearly makes some players feel uncomfortable. The league
has a guideline, the NBL, but it's voluntary participation, so
it is your choice. So they're not doing anything to
step away from that. Naturally, your sponsors, I guess B

(56:57):
and Z in this case pretty big won't be too happy. Look,
so look, look it is a tricky one. I think
the point is it's not yet possibly wipe Bob. Is
there not better ways that we can support our the community,
the wider pride community.

Speaker 3 (57:17):
Yeah, I mean do you even need to write your point?
What you're doing, Paul is you're playing basketball, So just
go on with that, play basketball and be nice to people,
and surely that's enough.

Speaker 20 (57:26):
Yeah, this is about wearing the Pride flag on your
shirts or your jerseys, And I guess I think individual
players still have the right to say whether they feel
uncomfortable in that environment or not. And what the break
is it done? Like the Ken's Taipans did a couple
of years ago, we're saying we don't want to hang
anybody out to drive by their own personal opinions. We'll

(57:47):
take it as a team decision. Yeah, I'm a bit
like you, guys. I actually don't know if there's a
real need for this to be a promotion across all
teams in the sport over a particular weekend. So yeah,
I know the sponsor being zaid saying hey, we don't agree,
and two degrees have gone a bit quiet on it.
There's also another sponsor, but I'm just not sure. It's

(58:07):
a bit of a strange run for me. And I
think players should have the ability they've been picked to
wear a jersey. They shouldn't have to be imposed by
saying you have to wear a Pride flag on your
jersey for this particular game. They should have that individual choice,
and the breakers have made a team decision. So yeah,
I'm okay with where they're at to be fair, Yeah.

Speaker 3 (58:25):
Me too. Actually, listen, do you think Elie Katoa is
ever going to play rugby league again?

Speaker 19 (58:31):
I hope not, and I mean that in the nicest
possible way. I mean, look, I know there are Marie Martin,
there's some examples of taking time out for a few years.
It'll be a few years away. Oh gee, I just
hope that you know, like I don't know what it is.
Can we do a give a little page to say,
please don't play, you know, please please please please be around.

(58:54):
I was a teammate of a guy in nineteen eighty
two in Auckland. The guy a lovely guy by the
name of John tullum of Io from Partmers Northwoys High
and he got double concussion in one day playing league
in Auckland, went home, laid down his cats couch and died.
And you know, years forty odd years years later, I
think about him all the time and it was a
very similar thing a long time ago.

Speaker 12 (59:14):
I know.

Speaker 19 (59:15):
But he two hit knocks on one day, so you know,
I can't I can't see it happening. I don't want
it to happen. It would be detestable if he was
encouraged to play.

Speaker 3 (59:24):
Also, I mean, Paul, if you've had brain surgery, right,
that's not a normal life events it.

Speaker 20 (59:30):
No, it's not. I mean, I know he's devastated that
he's been ruled out of the twenty twenty sixth season
and he's only twenty five years at age, but this
could have been as haamous quite right, he said, he
could have actually died in the situation. So let's see
him getting back to full health, not necessarily back onto
the field of play, which will be devastating for him.
But he's in the hands of the doctors and the
medical experts. Let's hope you can live a very full

(59:52):
and healthy life from here through after what he's been through,
which is really life threatening.

Speaker 3 (59:56):
Yeah. Now, Hamish, did you realize that Monty pan us
I was as done as he is.

Speaker 19 (01:00:02):
Yeah, well, I know that. He said that Oliver Twist
is a weather in Germany, had a Brazilian beauty queen.
I mean, you are a Mexican.

Speaker 2 (01:00:10):
You're you go here, here we go.

Speaker 3 (01:00:14):
He mus listen to this, Okay, this is one of
the questions he got wrong. In which city is the
television comedy series Cheers set like an.

Speaker 20 (01:00:22):
Answer that it's America.

Speaker 19 (01:00:24):
Oh, you're a man, Paulson, I've always said that.

Speaker 20 (01:00:27):
I've always said that, Harry Pottle of the Answer to
the AA and Adoption of Wind and Willows.

Speaker 3 (01:00:34):
What about this one? What is the title of the
first volume of C. S. Lewis's Chronicles of Narnia to
be published chronologically. It follows the magician's nephew, so c Lewis.

Speaker 20 (01:00:51):
It's been hilarious. I'm actually had to go back and
watch Mastermind. This has been one of the highlights for
me for the week watching it on YouTube. In terms
of questions he actually got wrong. I mean, I think
you would be lucky to get his name right and
that master Mind question.

Speaker 3 (01:01:04):
To be fair, do you think though? This is what
I think? Well, I reckon what happened is because this
happens to me. If you ask me, if you did
a Mastermind thing on me, I would completely freeze, Like
I freeze under the pressure of a question like that.
If I was sitting next to you and you were
getting asked it, I could answer all the questions because
I'm not under pressure, and I just feel like that's
what happened to him, and we're being unfair. What do
you think?

Speaker 20 (01:01:24):
Oh, I'm still laughing at how bizarre his answers were.

Speaker 3 (01:01:32):
Here we go, Come on, I'm waiting for you to
answer one. You haven't answered one. In Which city is
the Olympia Stadium, built for the nineteen seventy two Olympics
and where Germany's national football team played international matches until
two thousand and one eathen Yep, correct happens in Germany. Brilliant. Anyway, listen,
you guys, go and watch the ashes. It looks like

(01:01:54):
it's a fantastic test to really appreciate your time, both
of you. Hey, miss Mackay, Paul Allison. Good So those
boys sports huddle eight away from six.

Speaker 1 (01:02:03):
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Speaker 3 (01:02:10):
Heather, I'm a score po and I know it does
exist as a star, soign oh it does.

Speaker 5 (01:02:14):
Two.

Speaker 3 (01:02:15):
I mean here I am having a crack at Monty
for being done. But you know, if the shoe fits.
By the way, listen on the matter of the pride thing,
I think this is really worthwhile de drawing this to
your attention. Alice Soper, who yes is yep family. Alice
has written a piece. She writes a lot about rugby
and stuff, and she's part of the Rainbow community. She's
written a piece saying, regardless of the decision of the
Breakers team, I just don't like proud rounds and sports.

(01:02:37):
To me, they are to sports what International Women's Day
is to business. Cupcakes at morning tea is not going
to solve structural sexism. Nor will a rainbow jersey undo
a culture of homophobia. It's simply a way to be
seen to be having a conversation while leaving the most
important part left unseaid, which is basically another way of
saying what they're doing at the NBL is rainbow washing. No,
it's pointless and it's backfired five away from six. Now

(01:03:00):
this is interesting. So Todd Stevenson of the Act Party
has decided to take a unique approach to campaigning against
Labour's capital gains tax. He's done a quote scary bedtime
story called the Little Tax That grew.

Speaker 23 (01:03:15):
Once upon a time, in a sunny little country at
the bottom of the world, a tiny.

Speaker 10 (01:03:20):
Tax was born.

Speaker 23 (01:03:21):
It was a very small capital gains tax, so small
people barely noticed him.

Speaker 2 (01:03:27):
I'm just a little tax that chipped.

Speaker 10 (01:03:30):
I only livel on things that you don't.

Speaker 3 (01:03:32):
So, you know, with like with a good kiddy story,
it starts off really nice and then it has a
dark twist.

Speaker 23 (01:03:37):
The little tax only giggled because now it could reach
things it couldn't reach before. It stretched up like a
bean scork. It grew branches like a greedy oak. Soon
its shaded savings businesses, Kiwi Saver Farms and even the family.

Speaker 3 (01:03:53):
Bat and obviously all kids stories have a life.

Speaker 23 (01:03:56):
Lesson Little tax by now was not so little, it's mild,
and said, you've got to be careful with what you've planted.
Acorns grow and taxes do too, and that's why in
the Sunny Little Country people learned a simple lesson, never
planted tax You don't want growing into a giant you

(01:04:17):
can't control.

Speaker 3 (01:04:20):
Not pet I consider myself something of a connoisseur of
a children's book at the moment. I I don't want
to boast, but I read them every single bloody day.
It's quite a good I think that what I would
say to Todd. It must be a while since Todd's
had kids, But you've got to really slow that rhythm
down for the children. You got to like over, you
got to go oh, like, you need to get that

(01:04:41):
Cadence sing.

Speaker 24 (01:04:42):
I thought he could also have put on a character
voice when he was playing the tax as well, like,
you know, you kind of need to throw a few different.

Speaker 3 (01:04:48):
You have to like really color that up for the kids.
So I reckon, when who's that guy who did the
go the Ft to Sleep book?

Speaker 24 (01:04:54):
Oh, samuel O Jackson.

Speaker 3 (01:04:55):
That's who they need to get, all right. Let's deal
with the AI stocks next, with mar Blisters.

Speaker 2 (01:05:06):
Keeping track of where the money is flowing.

Speaker 1 (01:05:08):
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Speaker 3 (01:05:20):
Even in coming up in the next hour, the Chinese
are absolutely snapping up the latest iPhone. Peter Lewis will
get you across the details on that. Barry Sober will
rap the political week that was, and Gavin Gray is
in the UK for US at seven past six now,
there are no signs that the nervousness and the stock
markets is easy. And even after in Vidio's record results,
the Nasdaq, the SMP five hundred and the Dow Jones
have all closed down well this morning or closed out

(01:05:41):
closed well down this morning. Rather, the NASDAK dropped two
point two percent. Other markets have followed suit. The Aussie
suffered losses, the Z and X was pretty flat. Mark
Lister is the investment director for Craig's Investment Partners and
with US.

Speaker 25 (01:05:52):
Hey, Mark, evening, Heather here you going well?

Speaker 3 (01:05:55):
Thank you? What sparked this?

Speaker 25 (01:05:58):
I think it is just nervousness about valuations across some
of those more high octane parts of the US markets,
the tech stocks, the AI market darlings, they've all had
a fantastic run, and we know that it's a really
exciting theme that we're seeing come in behind. But at
some point valuations do get to the point where investors

(01:06:19):
start to get a little bit nervous and people are
wondering whether maybe too much optimism is priced in right now?

Speaker 3 (01:06:25):
Do you think that the jitters around AI stocks is founded? Oh?

Speaker 15 (01:06:30):
Yes, and no.

Speaker 25 (01:06:31):
Look, I don't think that we should be worried like
we were twenty five years ago with the dot com
bubble valuations, And know we near at the levels they
were back then, and you are actually seeing really strong
earnings growth come through for many of these businesses, and
the Nvidio result is a perfect example of that. But
that doesn't mean that things haven't maybe run a little

(01:06:53):
bit too far in the short term. So I think
it is wise to be a little bit cautious and
just be aware of those sorts of valuation risks. But
I don't think we're heading for another major bear market
or a recession or anything like that.

Speaker 3 (01:07:08):
Ahead about you off the view because I hear some
people say this, you're not going to know where, You're
not going to see it coming. So if this is
the thing that you're worried about, it almost certainly isn't this.

Speaker 25 (01:07:18):
Yeah, yeah, that's right. But when we look at valuations,
when we look at earnings relative to prices and so forth,
we know we near where we were in ninety nine
or two thousand and two thousand and one. You're actually
seeing a bit of substance behind this rally. So there
are elements of the market that have maybe run a
bit too hard, some of those unprofitable tech stocks or

(01:07:40):
crypto you know that scenario that's getting hit pretty hard.
But by and large, you know, the Microsoft's, the Apples,
the nvideos, there's still the best companies in the world,
earning exceptionally good profits, strong margins, doing everything expect them,
we expect them to. So for me, it's more of
a case of, you know, a healthy pullback, a healthy correction,

(01:08:03):
rather than something that's going to develop into anything more sinister.

Speaker 3 (01:08:07):
I actually was going to ask you about the crypto
what's going on with the bitcoin and the other cryptos,
because the connection to the AI stocks is not obvious
to me. What is it?

Speaker 25 (01:08:15):
Well, I think crypto is just an asset that does
really well. It's a supercharged version of everything else, for
lack of a better better description. And when markets are
going well, crypto does really well. And when you get
a sell off, it tends to fall more heavily than.

Speaker 5 (01:08:31):
Most other assets.

Speaker 25 (01:08:32):
So the S and P five hundred is down about
five percent, the tech sector is down about ten percent.
Bitcoin is down about thirty percent. So if you're in crypto,
then you should be used to this because it's not unusual.
You look back over the last five years, ten years,
numerous times we've seen bitcoin cut in half. So I

(01:08:53):
think if that's you, if that's your game, if that's
the asset that you're exposed to, you should really be
expect this roller coaster. And those sorts of assets will
always be much more sensitive to sentiment, market movements, liquidity
than some of these more stable assets.

Speaker 3 (01:09:13):
Mark, thank you very much, really appreciate and enjoy a weekend.
That's Mark listed, investment director for Craig and Craig's Investment Partners.
It's eleven past six when I read The Three Little
Pigs to My Girls, The Silly little pig who built
their house from straws from the Green Party. And the
silly little pig who built his house from sticks was
from the Labor Party. And the smart little pig who
built his house from bricks and had to rescue the

(01:09:34):
two sali little pigs was from the National Party. I
see Chris Luxon's been listening and texting again. By the way,
By the way, what you know that the act Party's
only doing this for the publicity basically, Like I mean,
I'm getting texting all. It's really sad that people are
this dumb and they have to have it. No, people
are not that dumb. It's just for publicity because you know,

(01:09:54):
it gets publicity when you do silly things like this.
By the way, another wicket's been lost in the ashes.
It's five one hundred and fifteen. Just need to quickly
update you on this air. New Zealand is apparently banning
or considering, not actually but considering banning the portable battery
charges for phones, you know, the ones that people lug
around with them, whether it's like a portable power bank.
If you're running a bit low and you go and
there you go, those things catch fire sometimes, you know,

(01:10:18):
in the overhead lockers and it's not that planes don't
really need that. So Quantas has announced that they're going
to aband them. So that's Jetstar in New Zealand December fifteen,
no more of them, and Air New Zealand is now
looking into it, possibly with a view of doing it
as well.

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Speaker 3 (01:10:51):
Right quarter past six, rapping the political week that was,
as our senior political correspondent, Barry Soper, Welcome back, Barry,
Hello again, Heather. Do you think, given given the amount
of discussion that there has now been about whether there's
going to be a co recryslucent, does he need to
flush this out on day.

Speaker 16 (01:11:08):
Most definitely he should, I think before the year ends,
go and talk to his caucus. Put it to them
that look where laborers at the moment, you've got the
green saying that they will revoke mining licenses if are
part of a government. Of course they have to get
agreement out of Labor on that. And then you've got

(01:11:31):
the Maldi Party which is in no condition to be
anywhere near the government benches at the moment. So essentially
you've got Labor on the ropes, whereas you've got the
coalition government headed by National in a much stronger possision.
And the only reason that Chris Luxen hasn't really got
any tread his traction. Traction is the word I'm looking for, traction.

(01:11:56):
The only reason he hasn't got any attraction is the
fact that lock this economy was in a parlor state
when the government took it over. It takes time to
turn it around, and people are still hurting. And when
people hurt, it's the mood of the public that really
wins or loses elections. So my peck is that next
year we're going to see the economy pecking up in

(01:12:19):
terms of GDP. You'll see the next figure will I
would imagine, be one of growth, and you'll see the
mood of the nation changed to some extent, and then
you'll see the National Party will be not as strong
as it has been in the past, but at least
it'll be treading back to where it was.

Speaker 3 (01:12:39):
Do you think Chris Luxon's good at the job?

Speaker 16 (01:12:41):
Yes, I do. I think he's I think he relates
very well to the public when he goes out and
meets them. But it's hard to get traction when you're
in a government that's seen by many is not doing
enough to get this economy going again.

Speaker 3 (01:12:56):
Okay, now I didn't give enough time to talk to
you about this enough, so read the thing with David,
David Seymour and Winston Peters. What I thought was interesting
was yesterday David Seymour said that Winston was behaving like
he wants to go back to labor and he'd done
that about two o'clock in the afternoon, and then he
was on our show at half plus five and he
wouldn't repeat it. Had Winston told him off in the
intervening period. Has he been given the telling off? No,

(01:13:18):
I don't think, because it's not a cool thing to say.

Speaker 16 (01:13:20):
What what what Winston said?

Speaker 10 (01:13:22):
No?

Speaker 3 (01:13:22):
What day David Seymour had said, No, Yeah, did Winston
tell them?

Speaker 16 (01:13:26):
The thing is that Winston's shrewd enough politician to not
personalize stuff, whereas David Seymour. He personalized the attack on Winston,
saying that he doesn't know where he's going and.

Speaker 3 (01:13:37):
What are you talking about. Winston called him a cuckold.

Speaker 2 (01:13:41):
Very early on that I mean now.

Speaker 16 (01:13:43):
They got into coalition. Oh absolutely, Winston knows how to
play the coalition game, even though it's playing to all
of us that he's out there campaigning at the moment.
And certainly this Regulatory Standards Act now is one that
he says, Look, when it was originally proposed during the
coalition negotiations, there was a clause in it that it

(01:14:05):
would go to referendum. Well that was dropped. And the
final analysis and the excuse that he made was when
Casey Costello got up in Parliament and praised the bill
and said the House should be supporting this bill. Winston
was overseas and he said he's not blaming she's not
blaming Casey, but he said, you know they've gone too far.

(01:14:26):
And the campaign against it, well, look that's what they're
entitled to do. It was an act party piece of
legislation and act in New Zealand. First, have never been
bad buddies, really.

Speaker 3 (01:14:37):
No, not at all, not at all. What's happening this
weekend with the Maori Party. Are they having the meeting
or are they not having the meet?

Speaker 16 (01:14:44):
They are having the meeting and in the far North
Napho he is and it's the Tee tay Toquerrale voters.
Moromino Coupa Kinghy, the executive of the Maori Party is
saying we're not coming alt okay.

Speaker 3 (01:15:00):
So that's why I thought the meeting's off because they
are not coming, but the meetings carrying on without.

Speaker 16 (01:15:03):
He's carrying on without the man look, and I think
Nata Glavish will be speaking at that meeting and she
is no friend of John Tammerherry in fact, in the
past has said that he should go for the sake
of the party. So you'll see a lot of that repeated.
But it'll be Teeta Toka on their own in a
way that the executive won't be there. But I think

(01:15:27):
the executive giving them the cold shoulder is a mistake.
If they hanahar aware, as you know said earlier this week,
why don't we get around the table, get back together.
But that's not going to happen either. So you've got
a fractured Maldi party. Not good for labor. But happily
for the National Party. They would say, well, this is

(01:15:47):
a good thing. Labour's on the ropes. Well they're talking
leadership there though.

Speaker 3 (01:15:52):
Why is justin they're going to be on the Graham
Norton Show. What's she selling? You're only on it when
you're selling something.

Speaker 16 (01:15:57):
She's what she's selling her autobiography and still well that
and there's a movie. I believe it has come out,
so she'll be selling that as well. And look, would
you like or dislike Jasinda Durton. When I traveled overseas
with her for many years, the media scrambled to have
her on their programs and Stephen Colbert in the United

(01:16:18):
States on The Late Show was a good example of that.
And she invited him, went and picked him up at
the airport when he came here. A bit too much
for a prime minister. But nevertheless, she loves the publicity.
She's getting more of it. And I'll tell you what.
On December the twelfth, you can watch You're on TV
in z on the Graham Norton Show.

Speaker 3 (01:16:37):
Can not Wait, Barry, thank you very much. It's Barry
so Per, senior political correspondent. By the way, I've just
been keeping abreast of what's going on with the jeim
MC skimming thing. And we've just now got the name
that today got the name of the second police officer
who went around to Gevin mcskimming's house to visit him
after he was allegedly you know what was actually charged
with all the gross pawn it's Sam Hoyle, the police

(01:16:58):
Assistant commissioner. Now. Well, to be fair to Sam, going
was not a great idea, probably, but it doesn't sound
like he was the instigator of it. Apparently he was
asked by Tanya Kuta to go and visit mcskimming because
they needed to do a welfare check on mix skimming.
And also to be fair on Sam Hoyle, he has otherwise,
by the looks of things, not been mentioned at all
in the IPCA reporting to the jemcskimming stuff. But unfortunately

(01:17:19):
he was part of that meeting, and that meeting has
of course been basically what precipitated her resignation six twenty two.

Speaker 1 (01:17:25):
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Speaker 2 (01:17:35):
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Speaker 3 (01:17:37):
Talks that'd be Hey, so oh, I feel like that's
not really how I should start this conversation with you.
It sounds a bit personal. At Hey. When I was
at Metallica the other night, if you were at Metallica,
you will have noticed this as well, the thing called
the snake pit. Did you notice it if you weren't
at Metallica. What it is is it's basically like the

(01:17:57):
stage and then in the front of the seat in front,
in the middle of the front of the stage, this
giant bit has just been taken out and there are
people in there that the mosh pit is in there,
so that basically when the Metallica guitarists and so on
and singers and whatnot were walking around the stage, they
were walking around these people in the snake pit. Anyway,
I didn't know anything about it, because, as you well know,

(01:18:18):
I shouldn't have been at Metallica. I have no bloody
idea about Metallica. I had no idea what was going on.
But when I was there, I was like, look at that,
I wonder what's going on there? Well, guess who was
in there? Simon Bridges was in there. The reason I
know this is because a chap called Troy Raffatzi. Connell
has written a piece of spinoff about being in it
because it was like one of his life dreams because
he's a big Metallica fan, and he discribed he said

(01:18:40):
in there was a chap called Jay Weinberg. Do you
know who that is? Ants? That's the drummer of Suicidal Tendencies.
Do you know who Danny carry is? Ants?

Speaker 24 (01:18:49):
I'm not a rock fan. Who.

Speaker 3 (01:18:51):
Yeah, I was just testing your knowledge because you asked
Martin than Monty Penaser, the drummer of Tool. So this
is a illustrious company. So you've got old mate from
Suicidal Tendency, he's in there. You've got the guy from Tuol,
You've got Tiger Whitet in there as well. And then
Simon Bridges and his wife. So I texted Simon and
I was like, Simon, how much did you pay to

(01:19:11):
be in the snake pit? And he just sent me
a picture of his wife and he was like, you
and your concert club missed out because the concert club
actually paid for tickets. We got invited by Eden paper
were like no, no, we paid for tickets. Or he
was just saying like maybe if you come to the
edn Park. Maybe you could have been whatever. He would
never have let me in the snake pit with Tiger
Whitet and himself. So then I texted him back and

(01:19:32):
I was like, but how much did you pay radio silence?
Radio silence from Simon Bridges? If you can fill me
in with this information. Now here's the other thing. Would
you have been okay with Simon Bridges being your prime
minister if you knew he was cool enough to be
in the snake pit at Metallica six twenty seven.

Speaker 2 (01:19:50):
There's no business like show business.

Speaker 3 (01:19:54):
If I wish your boyfriend, I'd never let you go.
Like I teicture this. You're driving in the Hollywoodhill, your
car breaks down. You sit on the side of the
road for I don't know, maybe ten to fifteen minutes.
Rich people in the Mercedes Bens is a driving past.
You try and flag them down for help. They don't stop,
but eventually a car stops. They get out of the
car and you go, hold on, is that.

Speaker 10 (01:20:16):
Are interesting people?

Speaker 5 (01:20:17):
Yeah?

Speaker 4 (01:20:19):
I didn't know you.

Speaker 10 (01:20:25):
Do you really want to know?

Speaker 2 (01:20:27):
Okay?

Speaker 3 (01:20:29):
That's right. Justin Bieber stopped to help the guy on
the side of the road. The guy's name is Bookoo.
I don't think that's his actual name. I think that's
his performance name. He was super grateful for it, and
not only did Justin Bieber help him get his car
back on the road, but apparently Biaber prayed with him
and then wished him some good energy.

Speaker 24 (01:20:48):
Hey, why was he filming? I mean, you're broken down
on the side of the road and somebody pulls up
to help. Why have you had a camera on?

Speaker 3 (01:20:55):
This is a good question. Do you have a camera
on because it's America?

Speaker 24 (01:20:58):
I mean, yeah, maybe it's like a sham or something.

Speaker 3 (01:21:01):
Yeah, maybe, or maybe that like Americans film everything, don't they?
Or was it a stunt for Justin Bieber? This is
a good question that you ask, But then it could
have just been that jet. Justin's a good guy because
he's he's part of you know, the God squad, and
so he sat down and he prayed as well. So anyway,
would you want Justin Bieber? Like, I don't mind Justin
Bieber stopping to help, but those arms are a little
spindly from time to time, and I'm not sure if

(01:21:22):
he can help me loof to tire. Just saying anyway,
Biggest can't be chooses Peter Lewis is.

Speaker 1 (01:21:27):
Next, everything from SMEs to the big corporates, the Business
Hour with Head, the duper c Allen and mass motor
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Speaker 2 (01:21:47):
Your futures in good hands, used talk said, be they want.

Speaker 3 (01:21:57):
Are there any current Bogans? And then national caucus that
could lead the country? Should Chris lux and be dumped? Glance?
Interesting that you should ask that question, because let me
refer you to Griff's text, which just came in during
the news, Heather, I have been to various hard out
concerts at the power station, and Chris Bishop has been
quietly nodding his head and moving to some mean ass tunes.

(01:22:19):
Chris Bishop is from Lower Hut like he is as
BGANI as it comes. So if you're looking for a
good Bogan, I feel like I'm not gonna lie like
I get strong Muldoon vibes from him, do you know
what I mean? Like, not in the sense, not in
the kind of like you know, I want to ruin
the economy and freeze.

Speaker 24 (01:22:37):
In before drunken call an election.

Speaker 3 (01:22:39):
Get drunk call an election, you.

Speaker 24 (01:22:42):
Know, dry start some dawn raids.

Speaker 3 (01:22:45):
Yeah, do all these things. I don't feel like I
don't I'm not that's not the kind of vibe. I'm
getting drunk.

Speaker 24 (01:22:51):
The nuclear free policy, all of that.

Speaker 3 (01:22:54):
I don't mean to like make Chris Bishop feel bad
about himself, but there's a kind of like there's a
slightly slovenly thing going on there. They sort of they
have their cuts. I feel like if they would cut
similar shadows, do you know what I mean? And there's
a there's also a like, hah vibe do you know
about both of them? Like, man, whatever you know, I
just get that math whatever vibe from the pair of them.
It is a compliment. It is a like people think

(01:23:17):
about Muldoon in a bad way now, but boy, when
that man was in charge, did we love did we
love the shite out of him like we loved Muldoon.
So anyway, I think that christ Bishop should take it
as a compliment. And three nine hundred and ninety nine
dollars four thousand dollars is what it cost it apparently
to get into the snake pit. So there you go.
Twenty two away from seven Peter Lewis Asia Business Correspondents

(01:23:38):
with us Now, Hi, Peter, good evening, Heather not looking
so good for the Chinese economy, in Q four.

Speaker 21 (01:23:45):
It is slowing for for sure, although when you look
at the headline number, which is four point eight percent,
seems quite good, but that is slowing from five point
two percents in the second quarter five point four percent
in the first quarter. What you have to take into account, though,
is that China is in deflation. Consumer prices have been

(01:24:08):
declining all year. Producer prices, which is the prices that
businesses pay for their raw materials at the factory gate,
that's been in decline every month for the past three years.
So that really subtracts from that headline number, and it
makes the real number about four percent. Some economists say

(01:24:29):
maybe even worse than that, maybe real growth in China
is only two to three percent. The main reason for
this is still the price declines in the property market.
There just seems no end to the property price declines.
We're into the fourth year of its now. New home

(01:24:49):
prices after the latest falls are down about twelve percent
from their peak. In the secondary market, they're down over
twenty percent now from their peak. A real impact first
of all, on the wealth effect. People just don't want
to go out and spend when they're seeing deflation. When
they're seeing the value of their homes, which is their
main asset, declining a month after month. China wants to

(01:25:14):
try and make itself more dependent upon the consumer. The
government's in Beijing keeps on talking about trying to boost
domestic consumption, but really all the measures it's been taking,
like a household applians trade in scheme where you get
discounts if you trade in your old iPhones or car

(01:25:35):
or toaster for a new one, just haven't really had
anything other than a temporary booster consumption, which is what
you would expect really, because all this does is it
just brings forward spending that maybe you would have made
in a few.

Speaker 10 (01:25:49):
Months time to now.

Speaker 21 (01:25:51):
So China is really sort of caught in a bit
of a vicious circle. Really, it needs to sort out
the property market, needs to get consumers spending a gain.
President chi Jinping says he wants to double the size
of the economy between twenty twenty to twenty thirty five,
so he needs at least four percent growth a year
to be able to do that.

Speaker 3 (01:26:12):
Okay, so how do we explain if the consumers not
spending that much that they have just gone completely nuts
for the iPhone?

Speaker 21 (01:26:18):
Well, that's the thing, isn't it. I mean, part of
that is also due to this trade in scheme where
you're able to get new models for some of your
old ones. But consumers are very price conscious. They are
spending on things if they can find, you know, products
that they like. And the iPhone does have a good

(01:26:39):
reputation in China, and this is despite very fierce competition.
Now there's a lot of domestic iPhones being produced in China,
but if you look at the latest monthly sales for
the new iPhone seventeen, it's gone really really well. There's
been a thirty seven percent surge in Apple's smart soon

(01:27:01):
smartphone sales in China and they have about twenty five
percent of the market again, so that's the highest in
about sort of three years. So there are pockets of
sort of spending that the consumer is happy to do.
iPhone certainly seems to be one of them.

Speaker 3 (01:27:19):
Yeah, brilliant. So hey, thank you very much, Peter. As always,
we'll have a chat to you again in next week.
Look after yourself. As Peter lewis our Asia business correspondent
togither Dow for c L eighteen Away from seven. Heather
if Bridge has got free tickets. Isn't that a cost
to the rate payer, Well Russell, yeah, no, look one
hundred percent. We need it. We need an inquiry here,
totally need an inquiry into what happened to that snake

(01:27:40):
fit and then and next in fact, next time, I
think what we should do is we should send somebody
in to see what's an eye volunteer. I will be
the tribute to go into the snake. But by the way,
another wicket's down in the cricket. It's one hundred and
sixty for six.

Speaker 8 (01:27:53):
Now.

Speaker 3 (01:27:53):
The guy who runs mighty eight reckons this is the
year of the consumer, and he's talking about specifically Black Friday,
which is happening next next Friday. Here, reckons retailers are
going to go really really hard to try to get
you to spend your dollar with them. So if you
need something, he says, if you need something, look for it.
Hunt for the value, because you might actually be able

(01:28:14):
to get it at a really good price. He says,
I would say hunt for value. We certainly go to
enormous efforts to make sure that we're the best value
out there, but hunt for it. Because this year is
really the year of the consumer. Now I do not
I hate shopping, so I do not get excited about
Black Friday. But I am here for Black Friday this year.
I've been waiting for about a month. I've needed it
because I want something. And what I want is a

(01:28:35):
dice in air app. You know, one of those ones
where you get like, boys don't care about the stuff.
Girls know what I'm talking about, the thing that it
sucks up the hand and then it makes you have
a nice kill. And I have been wanting one of
these for honestly about a month, and I have been waiting,
and geez, I'll tell you what. That takes some level
of self discipline to be like, I want to buy
the thing, but now I'm going to wait a month
to buy the thing because I don't know if you're

(01:28:57):
aware of this, but dice in air raps are ridiculous
in their price. You will not get one another wicket
in the cricket it's seven, it's one hundred and sixty
one for seven. You will not get one for under
the price of seven hundred dollars. And you can pay
anywhere between seven hundred dollars in like one thousand and fifty.
Who wants to pay one thousand dollars for a tool

(01:29:17):
for your hair, but dice and charges it, so people
obviously pay it anyway, So I'm waiting for it. I
have to be I reckon. I'm going to I reckon.
I'm not going to get lucky this year because I've
been The Black Friday sales really actually started about three
weeks ago. People started putting things on sale, and the
dice in air wrap has not moved. Nol Leaming has
dropped it by one hundred dollars, so it's down to

(01:29:38):
six hundred. But even six hundred for a hair product
is just wild anyway. It's way more information than you
wanted about my buying habits. But we'll talk again next Friday.
See you then sixteen away from seven.

Speaker 2 (01:29:49):
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Speaker 3 (01:30:02):
Hither You'll love the air rep See it's worth waiting for.
Thirteen away from seven. Gavin Gray UK corresponds with us
Elogevin Hi the hell Okay, so what has the COVID
inquiry said that you have been most interested in.

Speaker 26 (01:30:15):
Well, there's lots and lots in it. It has been
long awaited and the chairwoman of the inquiry, former Judge
Baroness Hallett, has not held back in her views on this. Basically,
I suppose the most important thing was that the government
response here in the UK in March twenty twenty, when
the COVID was really beginning to get into the population.

(01:30:36):
The response from the government, she said, was too little,
too late. She said that imposing a lockdown a week
earlier would have saved twenty three thousand lives in the
first wave in England that incidentally would have represented about
half the number of deaths at that point. But she
also said that the inquiries' lockdown could have been avoided

(01:30:58):
altogether if steps like social distancing and isolation had been
actually introduced earlier. Though crucially, I suppose the report does
not suggest the overall deathtop of the pandemic would have
been reduced by an earlier lockdown. Let's remember hearing the
UK two hundred and twenty seven thousand people had coronavirus

(01:31:19):
down on their death certificates, playing a major or significant
part in their death. So two hundred and twenty seven
thousand died, and the then Prime Minister Boris Johnson is
coming in for some criticism in the report too. He
was described as having excessive optimism in the face of
the looming pandemic and then oscillating was the word used

(01:31:40):
in the report, in other words, switching his mind yes no, yes,
no on key decisions. The Inquiries already reported back on
Britain's preparedness for the pandemic, as we've reported, concluding the
UK failed its citizens with flawed plans. Heather, the thing
about this is things are very easy in hindsight. I
think in truth nobody really knew what they were doing.

Speaker 3 (01:32:00):
I suppose that is true. I mean that's a fair
point to make. Now, the texes on the electric vehicles
are not going down with the Boss of Ford, are they.

Speaker 26 (01:32:07):
No, they are not, And so we are left waiting
for our budget, our annual update from the Chancellor. We're
expecting tax rises, We're expecting lots of rises on things
people are going to have to pay for. But it
looks like electric vehicles are not going to be immune
from this. It's interesting the government only reinstated a grant
worth up to about seven and a half thousand dollars

(01:32:30):
to encourage drivers to buy electric vehicles. Relatively recently they
reinstated that grant. They've also got their net zero targets
to meet, and yet we understand that next week it's
quite likely the Chancellor is to introduce a pay per
mile for electric vehicles. How it will operate, we don't know,
but the thinking is, well, we all use the roads,

(01:32:51):
whether we're electric, diesel, gas, whatever, unleaded, so that electric
vehicles should actually pay their part of that.

Speaker 10 (01:33:01):
And it looks like.

Speaker 26 (01:33:01):
This is pretty much now something the government is going
to introduce. But the boss of Ford here, the massive
manufacturing for motor company here, is basically saying this would
be disaster because really we're going to be putting drivers
off buying them at a time when actually the demand
for them has kind of stalled. And they're saying all
these government plans and targets are not going to be

(01:33:24):
met if this tax is introduced. And it's a very
very interesting time to bring this out. Lisa Branklin is
the is the managing director of Ford UK, and she
says that policy in the face of a really fragile
demand for electric vehicles is just another break on demand.

Speaker 3 (01:33:41):
Hey, you guys are getting nowhere with your nets? Are
you nowhere?

Speaker 26 (01:33:45):
Not neats are people who are not in education or training,
so unemployed education or training, they're effectively not doing anything.
And it's those between the sixteen to twenty.

Speaker 10 (01:33:58):
Four year old bracket who are.

Speaker 26 (01:34:01):
Unemployed or economically inactive. And the number has actually dropped slightly,
but it's still almost a million. That's one in eight
young people not doing any training courses, not in education,
and not being employed. Now the problem is is that
age group gets older. That'll mean that, you know, when

(01:34:22):
they're in their twenties and thirties, it'll leave a huge
hole in government income because they won't be paying any
tax if they don't get work. So lots of questions
about why they're not and yup, Heather, you probably don't
need to guess. One of the biggest new reasons has
been the number of people saying they aren't healthy enough
to work because of their mental health, and so the

(01:34:42):
government's looking at that. But also it does seem to
be those from historically the poorer parts of the country
that are representing bigger proportion of these needs. So the
government also looking at trying to get them into work,
but also training courses. And many people are hoping at
this budget not just taxes the working people perhaps a

(01:35:04):
bit more, but also looks at reducing the benefit spell
and currently that is not something that they look to
be doing. And plenty of headlines saying yeah, those that
are working, which are few in number, are going to
be taxed more to support those who aren't working, which
is significantly.

Speaker 2 (01:35:20):
Growing in number.

Speaker 3 (01:35:21):
Yeah, he hey, thank you very much, Gavin appreciated. Gavin Gray,
UK correspondent, Hither what are you like? Heated hair rollers
does the trick and then you angle them for the
way you want the cool and you walk around for
fifteen minutes doing other chores. Pauline Bullies straight out of
the nineteen sixties. That one seven away from seven.

Speaker 1 (01:35:42):
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Speaker 3 (01:35:49):
Just bought a Duveena on Briscos ex use the ad
brake for a cheeky little purchase. Black Friday, one hundred
and forty dollars down to forty got a little binto
box lunchbox because the three year old dropped is at
kindy broke it. So it's twenty dollars down to tey.
How good is that? Mack Friday just going, yeah, don't worry.
Rod from Briscoe's going to hit me up with the

(01:36:09):
commission later. You know how it works on this show.
If I get you any money, you owe me ten percent.
So he owes me ten percent of the money that
I just paid him. Andrew Andrew, formerly known as Prince Andrew,
who is now just Andrew, has snubbed the US Congress
request to testify about Epstein Water Surprise. They gave him
two weeks to reply to the summons. He didn't reply

(01:36:30):
to the summons. It ran out yesterday, so that's not
going to happen.

Speaker 24 (01:36:33):
Ants beck Wronger listening for the weather to play us
out tonight. Beck Wronger is going to be releasing a
new album next year. This will be her first album
of all original material in fifteen years. Someone was in
twenty eleven. This one is going to be called Red Sunset,
and to celebrate, she's doing a tour as well. She's
going to be playing Black Barn and Hawks Bay. This
is in March, Hamilton's White Cut Original Theater, the thirteen

(01:36:55):
hundred seat stadium that I talked about yesterday and Auckland's
ends at Ic Theater in March as well, and then
shows in christ Church and Wellington.

Speaker 3 (01:37:05):
Right, have have you done your homework?

Speaker 24 (01:37:07):
Look, I'm memet with a wall of silence. People in
enz of me don't know why Sophie Ellispeckster is not
playing an Auckland show. I haven't managed to make direct
contact with a PR agency doing the press, but I've
heard from other people who have spoken to them that
they don't know. Live Nation is not taking my calls
just yet, So I've got to wind it in the
net on Monday something for she going on here well,
or I will just no one knows who I am
and they won't pick their phone up. Please please check

(01:37:29):
the phone up, guys, Come.

Speaker 3 (01:37:30):
On, I mean, why is Sophie playing? And the thirteen
hundred concert?

Speaker 24 (01:37:35):
Well, I had a look at this. The christ Church
venue is also about thirteen hundred.

Speaker 3 (01:37:39):
I think it's my Sophie's massive. Even my brother knows
who Sophie is. I don't think he was born when
Sophie had it.

Speaker 24 (01:37:44):
At Yeah, you think she could at least do like
three thousand like Campbell Ceier or something.

Speaker 3 (01:37:47):
Yeah, Sophie Allos Bister. She was massive anyway, Thank you,
Annew'll just you stay keep at that thing well, enjoy
your weekend, See you next week.

Speaker 1 (01:37:58):
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