Full Show Podcast: 28 November 2025

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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Pressing the newsmakers to get the real story. It's Heather
Duplicy Ellen drive with One New Zealand to coverage like
no one else News Talks that.

Speaker 2 (00:11):
Be Afternoon, Welcome to the show. Coming up today. Twenty
daggage handlers have been arrested for allegedly smuggling the drugs
at Auckland Airport. Will get you across that Auckland City
rail link, you know, the train underground that's now only
going to open in the latter half of next year.
And Consumer New Zealand has found a few flat Friday
deals that are actually more expensive today than they have
been on other days.

Speaker 3 (00:32):
Heather Duplicy Ellen, right, I've.

Speaker 2 (00:34):
Reached the conclusion that when it comes to the banks
and mortgage rates, the only option you've got leftist to hustle.
You're on your own hair. It has been two days
since the Reserve Bank cut the official cash rate. And
by how much do you think the big banks have
cut their fixed rates? Not a job, not not a
single basis point. Absolutely nothing has come off their fixed rates.

(00:55):
As not particularly helpful from the banks, because you know,
we're trying to get the country out of recession and
the point of cutting the OCR is that the mortgage
rates come down, and then when you refix, you've got
more disposable cash, and the more cash you have, the
more you're going to spend in the faster we're going
to get out of this recession. So thumbs up and
thanks very much to the big banks for not helping.
Obviously it's smart business from them. They need to make
as much money as they can. The prediction is they

(01:18):
will eventually cut the OC cut their mortgage rates, but
it'll be next year. It won't be the side of Christmas,
and no one's going to be able to force them.
Everybody has fired all their bullets at the stage. The
Reserve Banks cut as much out of the ocr as
it can. The critics have written their columns, have given
their interviews. Nothing's happened. The government's accepted all the recommendations
of the Select Committee inquiry, and I think we all
know that that's a damp square and to be honest,

(01:40):
when it comes to the government, for them to do
anything meaningful to the banks, it would have to be
something as massive as breaking up A and Z and ASB,
and the horror that that would send through the investment
community would potentially be worse than us paying too much
in mortgage interest rates at the moment. So the only
conclusion you're going to reaches that you're on your own.

(02:01):
No one is coming to save you from the banks.
No one's going to force them to pass on the
ocr cuts if they don't want to, You're gonna have
to hustle. So when you refix demand a better rate,
look at what the advertised rate is and then tell
them to shave fifty bases points off and if they
don't cross the road to another bank that will that
is competition. You're on your own.

Speaker 3 (02:20):
Heither dup c Allen.

Speaker 2 (02:25):
Nineteen is the text number. Standard text fees apply now.
Aucklanders have no surprise whatsoever, flat out rejected the council's
idea of trialing fortnightly rubbish pickups and select cities as
suburbs around the city. It was places like the tatter
Too Peninsula and pan Mure and Clinton Park, whatever about

(02:46):
three different suburbs we're going to be subject to this.
They've got over five thousand submissions from these suburbs. Seventy
eight percent of them said they're against the idea. Justine
Habes is the general manager of waste Solutions at Auckland
Council hijusing Hi there, please tell me you're not going
to go ahead with this now.

Speaker 4 (03:03):
That decision has not been made yet. That is a
decision for the Policy Planning and Development Committee in December.

Speaker 2 (03:09):
Would you guys do something even though you have opposition
at almost eighty percent? Would you still go ahead with something?

Speaker 4 (03:17):
As I say, that hasn't been decided yet, so elected
members will weigh up the consultation feedback alongside other information
as part of our advice in December and then we'll
make a decision about it.

Speaker 2 (03:29):
This actually goes to the councilors sitting around the council table,
does it Yes?

Speaker 4 (03:33):
It does yes in December.

Speaker 2 (03:34):
But based on your advice.

Speaker 4 (03:38):
So our advice is being developed for their decision in December.

Speaker 2 (03:41):
Would your advice ever be to do something that eighty
percent of the submissions say they don't want?

Speaker 4 (03:49):
We are developing that advice at the moment. I think
the important thing to recognize is that we've received a
great response from Aucklanders who have expressed the reasons for
their concern in a trial and the key thing to
consider is whether we are able to mitigate those concerns
through the trial design, and whether the trial design will

(04:11):
then help elected members have more information on whether we
can succeed with fortnightly in the future.

Speaker 2 (04:17):
Okay, Can I suggest that if you're going to recommend
doing this, which sounds very much like you are, that
you well, first of all, obviously don't do it, but
if you absolutely must do it, that you pay people
a little bit more for it, because twenty eight bucks
is not a lot over the space of six months,
is it.

Speaker 4 (04:33):
Yeah, So thank you for pointing out that is for
six months. So obviously the equivalent rates for mission on
an annual basis would be higher than.

Speaker 2 (04:41):
That at six stars. Once again, not a lot.

Speaker 4 (04:47):
Yeah, So that is again one of the things that
the trial would help us test. So until we move
to a position where we understand information, we need to
work with assumptions, and our assumptions are at the moment
meant that that's the approximate value of the rates for
a mission. But the trial would help us understand that, Feather,
what is.

Speaker 2 (05:06):
The actual problem that you're trying to fix here?

Speaker 4 (05:10):
So we currently send one and a half million tons
of waste to landfill each year. That's enough to fill
ed and park each week, and there's lots of evidence
from other councils around New Zealand who've already introduced fortnightly
connection collections that it makes a massive difference to the
volume of waste to landfall. So that's something that we're

(05:30):
seeking to trial through.

Speaker 2 (05:31):
This because proposal honestly justin you can accuse me of
being too cynical, and you wouldn't be the first, but
I looked at it and thought, nah, this is you
people trying to save money here, because then you only
have to roll out your trucks every fortnight instead of
every week, and that is more likely the royal reason.

Speaker 4 (05:48):
No, So it is about achieving our waste minimization targets
for Auckland, and similar initiatives have been introduced by eighteen
other councils around New Zealand. This has been part of
our waste minanimation planned since twenty twelve, so it's been
a consistent position for quite a period of time for Auckland.

Speaker 2 (06:07):
When you saw the feedback come back so overwhelmingly against it,
will you gut it?

Speaker 4 (06:14):
I really really appreciate the feedback of Auckland is and
as I say, the nature of the feedback super important
in terms of helping us understand what people's concerns are
and how we might be able to address those concerns.
Were you surprised, No, I wasn't surprised because we have
consulted on this previously and we do understand the nature

(06:36):
of people's concerns. So I suppose in a way the
consultation feedback was very consistent with what we've heard previously.

Speaker 2 (06:46):
Justine, thank you very much. I really appreciate it. Justine
has the general manager of Waste Solutions at Auckland Council.
Hither our floating rate with A and Z still has
not dropped. Our floating rate with A and Z still
hasn't dropped. That's from Megan. Meghan, I think that you
might need to go to another bank that maybe has
dropped it. Listen, you know those you know you drive

(07:07):
down the motorway. You've got those signs above the motorway.
They sit on a gantrea. But the digital signs and
they can change what it says. In all Clint today
on the Northwestern Motorway, the digital sign says IKEA opening
Thursday four December. Plan your journey now. Okay, look there
is a part of me that understands we are excited

(07:28):
about our Ikea. It's our first Ikea, and we are,
you know, along like we're a long way from the
rest of the world, so it's not like you can
nip over the border to I don't know, Germany and
shop at Ikea if you don't have it. So I
realized this, this is a very exciting thing. And I
also understand that it is smart from the transport planners
to be like, hey, guys, it's going to be mental
crazy on Thursday when you're trying to get into the

(07:50):
shop all at the same time. But is there not
the tiniest part of you that is like slightly embarrassed
that we are this intense about Come on, guys, like really,
it's turned in like the opening of a Swedish meat
ball and furniture shop has turned into a legit national
event in this country. That is embarrassing, isn't it? Like
just a little bit quarter past.

Speaker 1 (08:12):
It's the Heather du Bussy Allen Drive Full Show podcast
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Speaker 2 (08:19):
Heather, it sounds to me very much like Auckland Council's
going to do what they want to their death to
feed back Dez bang on. They're clearly going to push
us through. We'll talk about this later on eighteen past
four good.

Speaker 1 (08:29):
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Speaker 3 (08:33):
Sorry eighteen bed responsorb this.

Speaker 2 (08:34):
One will text I have to read you on that
subject from Nick eighty percent of council employees are idiots.
Argue with that, Jason Pine. We can sport hosters with
me right now, Hi Piney, Hello Heather, Now what's going
on with Liam Lawson?

Speaker 5 (08:48):
Well, he must be wondering right when he is going
to get clarity about his future. Initially they talked about
giving him that and the others in the Red Bull
Racing Bulls team after the Mexican Grand Prix that came
and went, and then they said no, it'll be after
the Cutter Grand Prix, which is this weekend. And I
mean they're kind of running out of time.

Speaker 6 (09:06):
Really.

Speaker 5 (09:06):
They have to let them know at some stage. But
interesting development in the last couple of days. Yuki Sonoda,
who currently is the number two driver for Red Bull
that's the top team alongside Maxis Stamp And has almost
let it slip in a media interview that he's out,
he's gone. He won't be in the stable next year,
which means that it's looking very good for Liam Lawson.
Sounds like Isaac Hadjar will move from Racing Balls up

(09:29):
to Red Bull. Liam Lawson will keep his seat in
the Racing Bulls car and be joined by this young prospect,
Avid Linn Blat. Apparently confirmation is coming early next week
after the Cutter Grand Prix. Heather, but I'll believe it
when I.

Speaker 2 (09:44):
Okay, he now, Piney, what you've explained to me is
what we all thought was going to happen anyway. So
why are they Why are they not just front footing
it and saying it? What's the Why do they have
to hold on to it for every other week?

Speaker 7 (09:57):
Heather?

Speaker 5 (09:57):
You're just you're exactly like me. I have no idea.
Why wouldn't they just say if this has been the plan,
I mean, it must be terrible for on least I've
told them, and today I just don't say anything. And
Yuki for a while, I mean believe that.

Speaker 6 (10:12):
Yeah, But business.

Speaker 2 (10:14):
They've got Liam and Lawson doing all the publicity shops
and stuff like that, so he must know, right, So
is the is the explanation that all they're trying to
do is create drama for us in order to kind of, like,
you know, for us to be into the storyline here.

Speaker 8 (10:28):
Maybe I don't know.

Speaker 5 (10:29):
Maybe I mean, you think that the other ways of
creating good storylines, but maybe who knows? I mean it
when here we are talking about it. So I guess
if that's the that's the aim, then mission accomplished. I
just would quite like to know whether we're going to
be cheering leam On again for another year, which by
the sounds of.

Speaker 3 (10:43):
It, we are.

Speaker 2 (10:44):
Yeah, yeah, it does sound like that very much. Now
the football Flans Ferns are going to play Australia tonight
and with the chance.

Speaker 5 (10:50):
Not really it's a tough one. Australia very good, much
high in the rankings than we are. They're at home,
they are very popular in terms of crowds at home. Look,
I think, you know, it's a good game for the
Funds to have it too, that series against Australia, but
I think it would be a huge upset if they
were to win either of these two matches over the
next five.

Speaker 2 (11:06):
Days or so.

Speaker 8 (11:06):
Well.

Speaker 2 (11:06):
I appreciate your honesty, Piney, Thanks very much, Jason Pine
Weekend Sport host mid Day to three pm here tomorrow.
By the way, we're going to talk about this Lim
Lawson thing, but because it is odd that they keep
on sort of dragging this out every single year. Nikky
Styris and Darcy are going to be on the Sports
title with me this evening, so we'll have a chat
to them about that here. The Ikea is international thing.

(11:27):
The rest of New Zealand. Don't give a toss what
Aucklanders do. Get out of your Auckland bubble, Johnny fairpoint
hard to be out of your Auckland bubble when you're
in your Aukland bubble because it's literally where you are. However,
can I point out to you that Ikea to do
a pop up outside to Papa I saw? So you
know the Wellingtonians are getting fizzing about that. And what
they're trying to do clearly is they're trying to turn
it into one of those events, you know, like like

(11:47):
like a tourism thing, like you're gonna come here for
Lenny Kravitz and then you're gonna get on the site
seeing bus, go around Auckland and stop at ike and
buy some stuff and then go back to Invigiggle. That's
what they're trying to turn it into anyway, All power
to them, Heather. It is not the first time that
baggage handlers at Auckland Airport have been caught smuggling drugs. No,
it's not. This is actually quite a big bus that's

(12:08):
happened here. In fact, I might tell you what. Let's
take the break and then I'll tell you about it afterwards.
Four twenty two.

Speaker 1 (12:14):
The headlines and the hard questions. It's the mic asking
breakfast finance.

Speaker 9 (12:18):
Minister Heath can pressure on the retail banks, host reservevan
Cashwak moved to pass on those cuts in full. Will
Are they Bruce Patna's loan market mortgage advisor?

Speaker 2 (12:25):
Have they?

Speaker 3 (12:25):
No, not at all.

Speaker 10 (12:26):
They're holding from really good margins. We can see that
given they're paying one and a half percent cash. If
you've moved to them, I'd like to them pat them
on the full cript list.

Speaker 9 (12:34):
So if you're in the Nikola Willis camp that these
guys are not good actors and they're not playing their part,
this is evidence to suggest Nicola might be on to something.

Speaker 10 (12:42):
Is that vent absolutely break off for a client for
three years at four nine at twenty grand At the
moment you're now only getting four point seven nine for
three year. That tells me that they could be doing
three years of at least four and a half.

Speaker 9 (12:53):
Back Monday from six am the Mic Hosking Breakfast with
a Vida News Talk ZB.

Speaker 3 (12:59):
Cutting through the to get the facts.

Speaker 1 (13:01):
It's Heather Do for Clan Drive with one New Zealand
coverage like no one else news talks.

Speaker 3 (13:07):
There'd be Heather.

Speaker 2 (13:08):
I moved to New Zealand over twenty years ago and
I've been waiting ever since for an Ikea. It is
a massive deal. Hey, though, on that subject, have you
ever tried Mocker? Because because Mocker is fantastic and Mocker's
just like the Australian version of Ikea, isn't it and fantastic?
Can I just tell you about their after service after
their after sale care outstanding. You would struggle to find

(13:29):
another place that will go that far to find you
a tray for your high chair than Mocker in Australia.
Love them. In fact, I might. I might boycott Ikea,
just just like on a matter of pro Now I'm
not gonna do that. I'm gonna go to Ikea just
like you. Hey, Now, okay, this big drug bust at
Auckland Airport four twenty six, by the way, So what's

(13:49):
happened here is they've arrested forty three different people. It's
all gang related stuff, and twenty of them are baggage
handlers at Auckland Airport. And these guys, I mean, yes, cheez,
I'll tell you what. I don't know how you stop
people getting corrupted and into this stuff. If this is
allegedly true. They turned up to arrest these guys at
their houses. They found shoeboxes with two hundred thousand dollars

(14:11):
in them. I mean, what can you There's no money
that you can pay them that is going to mitigate that?
Is it all go again? I mean, if somebody's bribing
you with two hundred thousand dollars in a shoe box, well,
you know, I feel like the game is up, isn't it. Anyway?
It seems to be the Brotherhood MC gang. Never heard
of them before. Twenty eight of them have been arrested,

(14:31):
including the president. Now, if you know, if you follow
your news, this will sound familiar to you because you
may remember that the Ministerial Group for Organized Crime warned
us about this. They said, our weakest points when it
comes to organized crime is corruption and corruption at the border? Well,
what is this if not corruption at the border. So
Steve Simon, who is the guy who is in charge

(14:52):
of the minister at Ministerial Group for Organized Crime, He's
going to be us after five o'clock and talk us
through it. By the way, it is Thanksgiving in the US,
So Jonathan Kurzley, our US correspondent, is going to want
to chat to us and then get off to his
dinner real quick. Smart, He's going to.

Speaker 8 (15:08):
Let us short.

Speaker 2 (15:09):
And he still said.

Speaker 1 (15:22):
Hard questions, strong opinion here the duplicy Ellen drive with
one New Zealand and the power of satellite mobile news
doorgsa'd be.

Speaker 2 (15:38):
I've been a city rail link, you know what I'm
talking about in autoind the city rail link, the underground
train set. We weren't. It was always mooted to it
was always slated to open next year twenty twenty six.
But it's it's been a bit wishy washy as to
when that is. It's now appearing to be the reason
that they were but wishy washy as to when it
was going to open is because it's going to be
quite late in the year, possibly like quite quite quite

(16:00):
late in the years. They finished. They're testing in June
and they have to do some other stuff after that
and then they'll open. So anyway, we're trying to get
who did we try. We tried Simeon Brown see if
he wanted to come on. Na, Simeon doesn't want to
come on. We tried Wayne Brown to see if he
wanted to come on. But let's be honest with each other.
Wayne's already on the beers so he just can't be fafft.
It's a Friday afternoon and he doesn't care. Maybe we'll

(16:22):
try the veggar.

Speaker 11 (16:23):
The email said that he was busy, which.

Speaker 2 (16:26):
Yeah, hold on, didn't she say didn't you first email
her and say is he free after five o'clock? And
she emailed you back?

Speaker 11 (16:32):
Tis no, No, that was Simon. Yeah, Simon was Tis
a slot in his diary. But it turns out there
was a family thing.

Speaker 12 (16:38):
We didn't know that.

Speaker 2 (16:39):
Oh okay, well he had a well the family thing's fine. Look, frankly,
the beersy thing is fine with Wayne Brown. We've got
used to it. Si Ie don't care. So maybe we'll
talk to Beck. We'll see what we can do for you.
After five o'clock beause it's reasonably significant for Auckland. I've
stuffed up somebody's day in a terrible way. Heather, I'm
trying the Orange Bird now. I was supposed to be
arriving in christ Church right now, but I'm still on
a bus taxiing to the plane in Auckland. Flight delayed,

(17:01):
shambles in the terminal. To think I snubbed my CORU
lounge for this, I'm so sorry. Either this is real
or this is Nicol Ravshanka, the CEO of in New Zealand,
trying to try to undo all the good work I
did for Jetstar yesterday, twenty three away from five, it's.

Speaker 3 (17:20):
The world wires on news talks. They'd be drive so over.

Speaker 2 (17:24):
In the States, one of the National Guard members shot
in Washington, d C. Has died his President Trump.

Speaker 12 (17:29):
Sarah Backstrom of West Virginia, one of the guards men
that we're talking about. Highly respected, young, magnificent person, started
service in June of twenty twenty three.

Speaker 3 (17:43):
Outstanding in every way. She's just passed away.

Speaker 2 (17:47):
The suspected shooter is an Afghan national who helped US
forces during the war and was granted asylum in the
US in April over to Hong Kong. The death toll
from that fire has continued to rise. At least ninety
four people are dead and hundreds more are missing. This
family is a partment was destroyed in the fire.

Speaker 13 (18:01):
The alamp was all off because of the venovation of
the outside, so there's no alarm to let out.

Speaker 1 (18:07):
Of your many old people, elder people, they were all.

Speaker 9 (18:10):
Having an afternoons.

Speaker 7 (18:11):
Nobody knows, so nobody know once they know, the fire
has already burned.

Speaker 14 (18:15):
Down every day.

Speaker 15 (18:16):
And finally, in nineteen sixty six and the duframe escaped
from Shashang prison. All they found of him was a
muddy set of prison clothes, a bar of soap, and
an old rock an.

Speaker 2 (18:30):
If it ain't broke, don't fix it. Two prisoners have
escaped to jail in France using the classic prison escape plan.
According to a local prosecutor, they seem to have sowared
through the bars of their cell window as you do,
and then escaped using their bed sheets as you do.

Speaker 1 (18:44):
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Speaker 2 (18:50):
Jonathan Curzley, US correspondent, Hi Jonathan, Hello, he and.

Speaker 13 (18:55):
A happy American Thanksgiving, you and your New Zealand whistlers
who obviously celebrate this holiday as much as Americans do.

Speaker 2 (19:02):
Oh Man heard out, Yeah, we've got the turkey, He's
got everything. Love it, love it. Really into the Black
Friday sales already. Listen. I really sad news, although not
entirely unexpected, that one of the National Guard members that
were shot has died.

Speaker 13 (19:14):
Yeah, this is awfully sad. Twenty year old Sarah Bextrom,
who was one of the West Virginia National Guard members
who was shot during this attack yesterday in Washington, DC,
just a matter of a block or so from the
White House, has, according to the President, passed away. Her
father had spoken to New York Times earlier today saying
he was holding her hand and this was a matter

(19:35):
of essentially she had received a mortal wound and did
not believe that she would survive. And we've had confirmation
from the President today that sadly she has not survived
and has passed away. As a result of this shooting,
that the federal Attorney General has opened the door to
a death penalty charges against the twenty nine year old
Afghan national who is likely to be charged over this shooting.

Speaker 2 (19:57):
Yeah, Now Steve Whitkopf is off to Russia.

Speaker 13 (20:00):
It off just hit Well, he's going to make his
way to Russia to see Vladimir Putin. Obviously, this is
around the twenty eight point peace plan that Russia and
the United States or the United States says it has
pulled together to try and coordinate a peace deal with
Russia and Ukraine. Look, there's still significant points to move
on this, I think because Donald Trump has said he's

(20:23):
not going to meet with voladimi' Zelensky until there is
essentially a deal in place. Now clearly it is far
from being a deal in place. There are a number
of issues to be ironed out. Russia is essentially still
pursuing lines it wanted back when this war started, and
that is that Ukraine does not pursue membership of NATO,
that is that Ukraine reduces its army, and that is

(20:44):
that Russia gets the territory it has plus a little
bit more. Now that particular aspect would need to go
through to a Ukrainian parliament and pass in the Ukrainian parliament.
That is highly unlikely. So I think there's a number
of steps to go through yet before we get to
any sort of arrangement of any peace deal being in
place whatsoever. We've heard Vladimir Putin say, you know that

(21:04):
this can be done essentially if Ukraine agrees to X,
Y and Z deals. Now, whether Ukraine agrees to those deals,
while that remains to be seen, and the deal that's
on the table, well that remains unlikely. So I think
what you're seeing is is Steve Wikoff is going to
go to Russia to try and seek a middle ground,
try and find a way to bring this conflict to

(21:25):
a close. We saw the leak tapes from him earlier
in the week where he was heard and detail and
transcripts released of him trying to talk to the Russians
about how to deal with President Trump when it comes
to this deal. So I think he may well be
finding himself on the back foot a little bit in
the wake of those conversations. Now it's how do they
move forward? How does he deal with the current situation

(21:47):
and get to a point where Russia and Ukraine can
actually come to the same table, sit in the same room,
and agree to sign the same bit of paper, Because
right now as it stands, that still seems some way off.

Speaker 2 (21:57):
Jonathan tell me, you got the turkey on the menu.

Speaker 13 (22:00):
Turkey absolutely on the menu. It is a Thanksgiving here
in the United States of America, a holiday that is
celebrated just wakes out from Christmas. Now, those in the
Southern hemisphere may be well unaccustomed to the tradition that
is Thanksgiving here in the United States. It is a
tribute to the pilgrims. It's a chance to say thanks
it's a chance for the family to sit around the table.
And people may all be wondering, well, why do Americans

(22:21):
sit around the table and have turkey now and then
have turkey at Christmas. Well, you know that's a question
that's perplexed many from the Southern hemisphere for many, many years.
But look, today is what is regarded as Bird and
Football Day. And by bird I mean turkey and by
football I mean American football. So it's a great chance
for people to sit around the table, share some turkeys,
share some vegetables. For vegetables, obviously, for those health conscious,

(22:42):
they are crucially important because I can tell you now
that there is going to be plenty of pumpkin pie
served on the menu later on today, And that's not
exactly for those who are considering their waistlines, because I'm
looking at the pumpkin pies right now that are going
to be sitting across the table from me later. And well,
if I was considering my waistline, well I might only
be having one white or two. But I can tell
you I'll have a slice or two and we'll see

(23:04):
how those celebrations go later on. But look, this is
a huge day of celebration for America. It's a chance
to put everything that has happened over the rest of
the year aside, come together, sit down with those people
who are close to you, whether their family, whether their friends,
and celebrate is a day that is momentous on the
American calendar. We've sent them Macy's Thanksgiving Day parade earlier today.
Australia is Bluey making a wonderful appearance along the New

(23:30):
York streets earlier today. And now it's a chance to
sit down, enjoy a bit of turkey, enjoy a bit
of football, sit down, relax and enjoy well where I
am here the California sunshine before it disappears off into
the long winter.

Speaker 2 (23:45):
Jonathan, enjoy it, look after yourself. Jonathan Kursley, US correspondent, here.
The Mocker furniture started in christ Church. It may have
been bought by an Australian company. I'm unsure of that. Yeah,
it did start in christ I'll probably go some way
to explaining what lock up. By the way, if you're like,
what are you talking about? MoCCA seems to be a
thing that you don't know anything about until you have children,

(24:05):
and then every single mother discovers it is like why
have I never had this in my life before?

Speaker 8 (24:09):
Hey?

Speaker 2 (24:09):
Can I just say on what? Jonathan was just talking
about their turkey turkeys over rat today? Like I feel,
I feel like turkey is an indication to you if
you try, If you tried turkey, it's rubbish. It's it's stringy,
it's dry, it's crap. It's like it's like a shite chicken,
you know, because why and also there's always too much

(24:30):
of it. You don't even enjoy it, and then you
end up with too much of it. The chicken is
the perfect size for a family. It's small and succulent
and young. You can eat the thing and then it's
gone right. But it also is such a common tree.
Don't you think on how crap Americans are with food?
That they obsess over something that is so dry you
have to like cover it in souls to make it work. Anyway,

(24:50):
let us hope that of all the things that have
caught on in this country from America, Valentine's Day, Halloween,
you know, Thanksgiving, the Black Friday, cells whatever, that the
turkey never catches on.

Speaker 1 (25:01):
Quarter two politics with centric credit, check your customers and
get payments.

Speaker 2 (25:06):
Certaindy, Heather, you've obviously never tried deep fried turkey. No,
I do care about my health. Thirteen away from five,
Thomas Coglan is with me. Hello, Thomas, Heather, good afternoon.
Shoud obviously say political editor at the Herald, you go
into the turkey.

Speaker 8 (25:21):
Thomas, So sorry turkey for Thanksgiving?

Speaker 6 (25:25):
You mean?

Speaker 8 (25:27):
Well, I lived in America once for a year, did
in an exchange year over there, and I did the
whole Thanksgiving thing. It just feel it feels a wee
bit early for our holiday, like it sort of feels
like a fake Christmas. Yes, yes, and I don't really
like turkey, thank you.

Speaker 2 (25:41):
That's what I was looking for right there. Turkey is sucky, Okay, now, Thomas,
the labor conference in Auckland this weekend, are we expecting anything,
out of it.

Speaker 8 (25:50):
Ah, Yes, there is likely to be a policy announcement.
I wouldn't hold my breath for anything big. It sounds
like it's going to be a policy announcement that will
fill in some of the blanks or compliment what they've
already announced, which is the CGT plus the free GP
visits and the cervical screening policy. So I mean, look,
just this is just guesswork. So maybe they're putting something

(26:12):
else on their med card, which is you know, you're
going to get sick of seeing that medic card before.

Speaker 3 (26:16):
The election next year.

Speaker 8 (26:17):
But in the opportunity for Chrisippians to wave that card
of the camera, they will take So I'd imagine maybe
there'll be something they'll learn onto that.

Speaker 2 (26:26):
What am I supposed to do with the medicard? What's
going to get me?

Speaker 8 (26:29):
Well, well, if you're the Labor Party, it's going to
get you. Like this is this is part of an
industrial scale intellectual property theft from Australian political parties. I
think this is the Labor Party.

Speaker 6 (26:44):
In New Zealand.

Speaker 8 (26:45):
Stall this from Anthony Albanesi, who basically used the Australian
medic card s is Keita winning the Australian.

Speaker 2 (26:50):
I remain confused about it other than the symbolism of it,
because I can go to the doctor now and get
all the stuff that I could get with regardless of
whether I had a little red card in my hand.

Speaker 8 (27:01):
Yes, I think. I think it's just it's something that
they can give you so that you can tangibly hold
your It's.

Speaker 16 (27:08):
A political thing.

Speaker 8 (27:09):
It is something to say hither, that is your card,
and we the Labor government have given you this card
and given you these FREEZP visits, so remember remember us.
And you know, like like how many conversations have you
had about a super Gold card that that happened ended
in you know talking about Winston Peter's people will if
Labor does get it across the line, people will remember
it for a very very long time.

Speaker 2 (27:29):
But the super Gold card at least has a value,
like you can you can go up to the thing
and flash your super Gold card and you get something
that other people without the card can't get. Do you
know what I mean?

Speaker 8 (27:39):
Yes, I mean this card is going to have an
app which you can also use policies across the line.

Speaker 13 (27:45):
It is.

Speaker 8 (27:47):
I can see you can see that there would be
possible to do free GP visits without the card.

Speaker 2 (27:53):
Yes, card. Everything about the card is at the stage universal. Therefore,
whether you have the card or not, you are entitled
to it. Though, so the card means nothing. So the
card's going straight in the bin, isn't it.

Speaker 8 (28:06):
Well, I mean, if I don't know whether you do
need the card to get the policies in the future,
I think they're going to put them on an.

Speaker 2 (28:13):
App Okay, But yes, yeh. Cards are very nineteen ninety five,
aren't they now. Takuza Ferris has been asking Labor for
restraint when it comes to running in the Maori seats.
What does he actually mean by that, Well, the.

Speaker 8 (28:27):
Maori seats take a lot of votes listening and they
always they have been for a very long time. What
that means is that it's quite common to give the
Labor Party your party vote in the Maori seats and
then to vote for another candidate in the Malori seats
from a different party. He is basically saying, let's do
that again and vote for me for your candidate vote,
so I get in and give your party votes to
Labor if you want. What that would do is create

(28:49):
an overhang in parliament, so you get extra seats in
Parliament and that would give the left wing block, the
anti coalition block, and advantage when it comes to forming
a government. It's an interesting strategy. It's a sort of
two for one strategy. It's a bit of a dangerous game,
of course, because imagine, imagine if you get to election
night and you find that it is the overhang that
has caused the government to change. If this sort of

(29:11):
quirk of electoral law as the thing that determines the
government's changing or not changing, then of course it could
risk undermining the kind of mandate of the multi seats
to continue existing. Because we remember, you know Act in
New Zealand first are against national I think still as
a party is in favor of eventually facing them out.

(29:33):
So you probably wouldn't want to give those parties an
excuse to accelerate that policy to get rid of the
sects completely.

Speaker 2 (29:39):
Hm. That's fair point, okay, Thomas listen, thanks very much well.
Rad the Political Week that was with you later about
quarter pass. Like Thomas Coglin, the Herald's political editor, Heather,
what you want to do with the Turkey is you
want to kill it and pluck it and gust it
straight away and then cook it. So yeah, and apparently
according to Bob, if you do that, it will be
the best turkey that you've ever had, and probably better

(29:59):
than any other bird. Simple as we'll just you know,
just get the churkey out in the backyard, do it,
do it all in one go, and that'll solve the problem.
Eight away from five, five away from five. A and
Z was listening earlier, so do you remember the text
from Megan? Meghan, if you're still listening, you're going to
love it. Meghan text in and said that their floating
rate hasn't even moved yet, or we were talking about
the fixed rate, but not even the floating rate has moved.

(30:20):
A and Z heard it and emailed us and said
the changes A and Z announced to the floating home
loan rates late on Wednesday, which was after the ocr cut,
will be effective within four business days for existing customers,
so for existing loans on the second of December. So
there you go. You will get it in just a
few days time. Now it's Black Friday, obviously, yay woo

(30:41):
got the dice in air? Rap I did it? I look, honestly,
I'm more impressed with my own patience here than with
the deal I finally managed to get, because I have
wanted the bloody thing for about three weeks and so
even maybe even more, But regardless, I waited and I waited,
and I looked at the website every couple of days

(31:01):
and looked around the place, and was absolutely sure of
exactly what the prices are. Two hundred dollars off today?
How good is that? Well done?

Speaker 12 (31:08):
Me?

Speaker 2 (31:09):
Yes, seven hundred dollars down to five hundred dollars. And
we have another conversation on another day about why in
God's name anything with the dice in name attached to
it has to charge you like multiples of what anybody
else would price anyway, Consumer, though, consumer says that they
have had a look around and they've actually found some
bargains today that are not bargains at all, that in

(31:30):
fact are more expensive than they have been in previous days,
not necessarily in the you know, these things have gone
on sale in the last few weeks, a few weeks
at a price that is lower than the price that
is available today. So Consumer's going to talk us through
it when they're with us shortly. They'll be with us
just after five o'clock. But next up. Let's talk to
Steve Simon about this news that twenty baggage baggage handlers

(31:50):
have been arrested at Auckland Airport with the gang drug smuggling.
My question here is how do you stop them from
doing it? I mean, if somebody's coming around with a
shoe box full of two hundre one thousand dollars and
going bring the cocaine, mate, and you get this, how
how do you as those what the bad guys have
got to offer? What do we the good guys have
to offer that's going to make him go?

Speaker 1 (32:08):
Now?

Speaker 2 (32:08):
I don't want your money. Maybe he can answer that question.
The Storks b s.

Speaker 8 (32:27):
Coming here.

Speaker 1 (32:39):
The only drive show you can trust truck to ask
the question, get the answers, find a fag and give
the analysis. Here the duplicyl and drive with one New
Zealand and the power of satellite mobile news.

Speaker 7 (32:53):
Doorgs be.

Speaker 6 (32:55):
Good?

Speaker 2 (32:55):
Afternoon? Twenty baggage handlers at Auckland Airport have been arrested
in what authorities are calling him you breakthrough in transnational
drug operations. The drug operation is linked to gangs. Eight
members of the twenty eight Brotherhood MC gang, including the president,
have also been rounded up. Steve Simon is the chair
of the Ministerial Advisory Group for Organized Crime in with US. Hi, Steve, Hey,
this is what you warned about, isn't it?

Speaker 12 (33:17):
It is?

Speaker 17 (33:18):
It is I feel like a fortune teller at a
school ground fair. We talked about this back when we
were first starting our reports in March, that this would
be a thing, and here we are.

Speaker 2 (33:30):
Do you reckon twenty is everything?

Speaker 8 (33:33):
No?

Speaker 7 (33:34):
How?

Speaker 17 (33:34):
But I think the police have done policing customs have
done an incredible job to root out that many. But
I suspect either there are more or if there's not,
they will be replaced, much like they were in the
earlier stages of Matata, where the police did arrests and
then they were those baggage handlers.

Speaker 8 (33:56):
Were replaced by others.

Speaker 17 (33:58):
This is a problem not just for New Zealand but
other places in the world and is kind of a
scheme that is used by organized crime.

Speaker 2 (34:04):
Okay, so how does this actually work? Is it that
they when the twenty allegedly bad baggage handlers are taken out,
twenty more bad baggage handlers come in, or do good
baggage handlers come in? And then they're flipped on the job.

Speaker 17 (34:19):
A bit of everything. A big part of what organized
crime does is it looks for people and those vulnerable workforces.
So baggage handlers is an obvious one. You've got people
in those roles, not earning a large amount of money, vulnerable,
often having family or social connections that might link them

(34:41):
to organized crime, and through that they're being corrupted.

Speaker 2 (34:46):
How is it though if some of okay, some of
it is the corruption on the job, but some of
it is already corrupted and taking the job in order
to carry out the task that is necessary has been
asked to carry out. Can't you when you're hiring the
person see the red flags?

Speaker 6 (35:01):
Yes and no.

Speaker 17 (35:03):
Yes, well, first of all, you have to have a
system to properly vet people so that you can pick
up those who have some obvious links. Others, though, will
be friends of friends from school, and this being New
Zealand's you know, we're two degrees of separation, and so
often the baggage chandelers might not have a history, but

(35:25):
might have a connection to someone who does, and that's
how they've brought in the problem is that New Zealand
is too small and too friendly an environment, and it
makes it vulnerable for people we pulled into these types
of schemes.

Speaker 2 (35:36):
So they get pulled in apparently by shoe boxes of
cash with about two hundred thousand dollars stuffed into them.
And if that is the incentive, that's the lure. What
have we got to offer to stop them taking it?

Speaker 17 (35:49):
I think part of it is, first of all, we've
got to target the drugs that are coming here. We've
got to attack that as much as we can. And
what is good to see is the police here have
been also targeting the facilitators, the people been trying to
make this happen. I think we need to do a
lot more of that, but we also need to remove

(36:10):
the temptation. So the point you're making about the vetting
that we can do, but we also looked at setting
up systems in these vulnerable places of the monitoring and
the checks and balances and relation to baggage handlers of
going to planes and taking the luggage off planes which
has not come through the usual mechanism of going through
like your bags or my bags that have gone through

(36:32):
the usual way. Because this is a known scheme that
is used around the world to move drugs and so
it's something that we could target. We could target the process.
And also there's the education piece of getting in working
with these young people going into these roles, explaining to
them the risks, explaining to their families the risks, and

(36:53):
so that are aware of it, and we can start
using some of that grassroots you know, Kiwi. We're all
in this toget, the team approach to say, well, look,
we collectively want to fight this and so this is
something I want to tackle.

Speaker 2 (37:06):
Interesting, Yeah, listen, thank you very much. Steve has always
appreciated Steve Simon, chair of the Ministerial Advisory Group for
Organized Crime.

Speaker 3 (37:12):
Ever do for c Ellen five eleven.

Speaker 2 (37:14):
Now, it's a couple of bits of big news for Auckland.
Number One, the government has announced the plan to clean
up the city. Number two, the CRL, the train set
underneath the city, has now confirmed is opening at the
end of next year. Viv Beck is the heart of
the city CEO and with us. Now, hey, Viv hello,
is end of next year? What we were expecting?

Speaker 18 (37:32):
Oh gosh, well we were. We always hoped it would
be earlier. I had sort of come to a view
that it was going to be around I hoped around
the midyear. The biggest issue is the uncertainty for these
poor businesses that have been affected for a decade, and
that's a very long time still for them to carry on.
And obviously we want to get moving so people can

(37:54):
get in here easier and faster. So on the one hand,
it's good to have some sort of dedication of when
it's going to be, but I think there'll be people
pretty disappointed it so far away.

Speaker 2 (38:05):
Okay on this tidy up of the city, What is
actually going to happen here if we haven't got you know,
move on orders or anything, what's actually changing.

Speaker 18 (38:15):
Well, many of the things we've been asking for have
come to pass here. So we've wanted to have a
cross agency approach to deal with both the social issues
and sort of the economic issues. And we've wanted it
to be at a very senior level, recognizing the importance
coming out of this decade of disruption that we really

(38:35):
need to move into twenty twenty six in a very
good place. And I think we've got that. It is
a sort of multifaceted thing. It picks up on the
social needs, the people crying out for laws and by
laws to be enforced. They want to see a focus
on cleaning and presentation, so it actually picks up quite

(38:56):
a lot of the things that we've been asking for
and that businesses crying out for. The proof will be
in the pudding, But there is a determination. We've definitely
got the point across that we need to have This
has to be a game changer. We've got to have
change this side of Christmas so that we go into
the opening of the Convention Center in a good place.

Speaker 2 (39:17):
Viv thanks very much, look after yourself of Beck Heart
of the City CEO Heather Dooper c L good Night
for TV and Z. Tonight is Simon Dello's final news shift.
It doesn't they're not going hard, they're not going large
on this. He's just going to do his shift and
they're going to do a special tribute at the end
of the news. Apparently there are going to be some
fair some well known faces to sort of say goodbye

(39:39):
to him, and he will thank viewers and then he
will leave the desk for the final time, and then
he's going to celebrate with friends and colleagues and the
TVNS newsroom. Which I don't know about you, but just
sounds to me like a couple of plastic gallic glasses
of bubs, maybe a few crackers, you know, bits of
bits of salmon, a few nuts, chippies, chippies with lots

(40:00):
of chippies. It's a little I don't want to be
stink about it, but I think that it feels a
little underwhelming, doesn't it to you? Because I mean, this
is a guy who's been reading the news for twenty years.
Or what I would have I don't know, I mean,
what do you do? I think I would have made
a big deal about it. If Buyer was TVNZ, I
would have had billboards. I know this, this sounds ridiculous,
like they don't have this kind of money, but you know,
get those digital billboards around Auckland and New Zealand. Whoever's

(40:21):
got the digital bill buy Simon put a nice picture
of them, say, by Simon, thanks for your twenty years.
Then I would have given interviews to all the radio
stations that I made a really big deal with an
awesome guy. He wasn't sent got everybody around the Telly
News tonight. Most most people don't even know it's happening. They're'
not ever gonna watch, just gonna carry on with their
after work. Drink. He's their own sad little chips quarter

(40:42):
past all right, hands up hose another desperate golfer trying
to lower their score. Well, if you are, Golf Warehouse
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(41:03):
work so you don't have to do the work yourself.
If you need more speed, more hype, more consistency, Zexio
is the answer. And Golf Warehouse is having a really
big sale right now, twenty to sixty percent off across
the store, and it gets better. They are so confident that,
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offer you a one hundred percent seven day money back guarantee.

(41:23):
No one else does that. These clubs are good. That's
why tens of thousands of Kiwis already play with Zexio.
They absolutely love them. So go and see for yourself
and get the best deals in golf in store or
online at Golfwarehouse.

Speaker 3 (41:36):
Dot m Z Heather duplaslhither you know.

Speaker 2 (41:39):
Damn well that's spent. That would be spending ten thousand
dollars on the billboards and the flash stuff, and it
be a public outcry and you'd be leading a well,
I wouldn't be leading it, but you're probably right. Pro
people would flip out about it, wouldn't people flip out
about a lot of things nowadays? Nineteen past five, Now
it's Black Friday speaking and spending the dollars. If you're
like me, you've already got yourself a good deal, waited
for it and then nabbed it. But there are all

(42:00):
so some halves out there. What a surprise. Consumer has
been keeping an eye out for US. Jimma Rasmussen is
the head of Research and Advocacy and with US High Jemma, Hello, okay,
what are the bad deals that are not really deals?

Speaker 19 (42:14):
Well, we looked at pricing over about three months because
we wanted to get a sense of are the deals genuine?
And what we found was that about half of the
products that are supposedly on sale today, shoppers could have
found them for about the same price or a lower
price at some point in the last three months, so
it really kind of shows that there's so much hype

(42:36):
around Black Friday.

Speaker 20 (42:38):
But the deals are a little dubious.

Speaker 19 (42:40):
There are some to be had, there are some in there,
but a lot it's a bit of pottier.

Speaker 2 (42:46):
Have you found any ones that are not that have
been cheaper in the last while than they actually are today?

Speaker 19 (42:53):
So we have found that there are some deals, like,
there are some deals to be had. One thing that
we found so Harvey Norman and Farmers, they had stick
back that was priced at one and ninety nine dollars,
So that was for nine out of fourteen weeks for

(43:13):
Harvy Norman, and for every week with Farmers and with
Black Friday it is five hundred and ninety nine dollars.
So this is genuinely cheaper. There are a few others though,
where they're actually just like a dollar or two cheaper
and the savings are not really as meaningful. So that's
a little bit tricky. You could say, yeah, it's.

Speaker 2 (43:33):
Cheaper, but and apparently for Hosking who loves the dice
and stick vacuum, that's actually a proper bargain today, isn't it.

Speaker 19 (43:40):
It is a proper bargain. So I think that's kind
of what we want to be saying to people is
really it's about doing your research. There's websites like priced
buy or price me where you can put the product
in and it's going to give you all of the
historical pricing data. And we kind of feel the proof
is in the pricing, not in the marketing height that
you know, stop Clara out big sale. If you can

(44:01):
look at that data, then there's absolutely deals to be had,
but it's it's just about being a little bit conscientious
about where you put your money.

Speaker 2 (44:08):
Good stuff. Jemalisten, thanks very much, look after yourself. Jim Rasmussen,
who is with Consumer New Zealand. Jim, I didn't want
to tell you the deals, did you? I asked her twice.
Shouldn't want to tell you the ones that I've got them?
So I will tell you shortly the ones that you
could have bought for cheaper and now they're more expensive.
On Black Fridaday. Here the where did you get your
deal for the dice and air rap? I've been hanging
out for one mate. Thanks for asking Farmers. So Farmers

(44:31):
is going to give you off the original one with
just like three attach massinone and you're not going to go.
It's not the big attachment thing. You don't need. What
I don't need that is with a bag and a
little kind of crap. You don't need that. I don't
need that. So you can get two hundred dollars off
at Farmers and if I remember correctly, you can also
get two hundred dollars off at heath Coats one hundred
percent electrical whatever that that quite good. I quite like
that brand, and I think maybe Dyson as well, dot.

Speaker 8 (44:53):
Co dot in Z.

Speaker 2 (44:55):
Remember what the deal is on the show. If I
get you free money, you owe me ten percent.

Speaker 3 (44:59):
Two.

Speaker 1 (45:01):
Digging deeper into the day's headlines, it's Heather Dupliclan Drive
with one New Zealand coverage like no one else.

Speaker 3 (45:08):
News Talk said Behither.

Speaker 2 (45:10):
On the baggage handler is the thing that we have
to offer them for smuggling and drugs as long term
jail sentences. Baz. I tend to agree with him. Five
twenty five. Now, listen, let's talk about the Auckland rubbish collection. Okay,
clearly Auckland Council and by this I mean the unelected
staffers at Auckland Council not. The elected politicians are going
to try to force the fortnightly rubbish collection trial on
the three suburbs Tiata Tudo Peninsula, Panma and Clindon Park

(45:32):
in Auckland. And this is despite those three suburbs explicitly
telling the council in the feedback. When I say feedback,
I'm in consultation that they didn't want it. Seventy nine
percent of people and Tiatitude Peninsula said no, eighty percent
of people and Panmor said no. Eighty two percent of
people in Clinton Park said no. But the council's staffers
are treating this not like an actual no, more like

(45:53):
a feedback.

Speaker 4 (45:54):
We've received a great response from Aucklanders who have expressed
the reasons for their concern in a trial, and the
key thing to consider is whether we are able to
mitigate those concerns through the trial design.

Speaker 2 (46:08):
Will far be it from me to offer such bright
sparks any feedback of my own, but I would suggest
to them that they might want to listen to the
people and understand that as they say about consent, nowadays,
no means no. Now I've observed over the course of
years that council stuff all over the country have a
habit of treating consultation like a magic eight ball. They
ask it a question and they shake it. Then they
ignore it if they don't like the answer, and just

(46:30):
do whatever anyway. What I've also observed is that this
makes rate pays very angry. And there are a few
things that make rate payers more angry than the subject
of rubbish, given that rubbish does feel like one of
the core things that we pay thousands in rates for
every single year. But there is one thing that makes
rate payers even more angry than that, and that's having
a service taken away from them at the same time

(46:50):
as the council yet again ratchets It's up the rates
by in my case, five hundred dollars next year five
hundred dollars and you want to take my bit away?
No thanks mate. Good luck to the unelected staffers at
Auckland Council forcing this on the suburbs next year. Hopefully
the elected politicians who sit around the council table who
actually will have the final say, will be better at
listening to the people and will kill the idea.

Speaker 3 (47:12):
Together do for see Allen.

Speaker 2 (47:14):
Alrighty, here we go. This is what Consumer found Brisco's
at Brisco's. Today you can buy the Kenwood chef mixer
for four hundred and ninety dollars, but if you did
go in Thursday last week, you would have got it
for four hundred and fifty dollars, so that's cheaper. The
Brevil four sliced toaster today is one hundred and twenty
six dollars, but if you did go in in September,

(47:34):
you would have got it for one hundred and five dollars,
so that's not so Black Friday, nol Leaming. The Russell
Hobbs kettle is fifty dollars on the promotion label today.
It was nineteen dollars in September, which is a hell
of a lot cheaper. The Russell Hobbs air fryer is
one hundred and fifty nine dollars at nol Lemming today,
but you could have bought it for one hundred and

(47:56):
forty seven dollars in early November. And the list goes
on and on and on. What have we got here?
The Neutral bullet, Oh, this is at Farmers. The Neutral
bullet is ninety was one hundred dollars. It's rounded up.
It's one hundred dollars today, but in September it was
seventy dollars and in October was seventy five. It just
gets worse, doesn't it. The Russell Hobbs Satis fry, which

(48:19):
does not sound very good for you, was one hundred
and seventy dollars today and it was one hundred and
sixty dollars in October. Anyway, the lesson there is you
have to you have to hustle. You have to do
what I did with my dice in air app. You
have to track it for like a month or more,
and then you know that when you're buying it for
two hundrey off, it really is two hundry off sports Hudles.

Speaker 1 (48:36):
Next year, the day's newspakers talked to Heather first, Heather
Duplicy Ellen drive with one New Zealand and the power
of satellite mobile. New Saw said, be only want you.

Speaker 2 (48:59):
Hither You've got one. The Council thanks asking for submissions
on their ideas as a mere formality and not at
all binding. It's a waste of time submitting, given the
amount of thought that goes into making one. It's thanks,
but no, we have already decided absolutely right. I'm getting
a lot of texts along the lines of hey, we
already do this. I don't really know what the trouble
is like. Ah, here's one from Hamilton. They already do fortnightly.

(49:23):
Takapuna already does it, apparently, Heather, regarding the proposed two
weekly rubbish backup in Auckland, We'll be doing it in
christ Church for years and for a family of four,
we don't fit the bins, don't fill the bin, so
I'm not sure what's different up there. I do agree
with your sentiment about council consultation though, but in this
case they're right, Andrew, thank you. Trouble with them being writers,

(49:44):
that's not how you win the argument. It's democracy, isn't it.
But then again, it's not binding, is it. Twenty three
away from six.

Speaker 1 (49:52):
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Speaker 15 (50:06):
I owe something that I can't share obviously with you guys,
but probably most like most of the people on nose
it actually I'm a similar understanding with you guys.

Speaker 2 (50:14):
I don't know what's gonna happen, so yeah, let's see.

Speaker 21 (50:16):
But it's starting to move to India a dominating everything
because they can afford to.

Speaker 5 (50:21):
Buy into it and purchase teams as opposed to players.

Speaker 10 (50:25):
It's always great to be able to see the English
having to take a few good looks at themselves in
the mirrors at the moment after getting flogged.

Speaker 2 (50:33):
In two days. Right on the sports tuddle, that's this evening,
we have Nicky Styrras sports journalist and Darcy water Grave
sports talk host. How are you too?

Speaker 21 (50:39):
Hello?

Speaker 10 (50:40):
Are you one?

Speaker 20 (50:42):
Good Eay?

Speaker 2 (50:43):
This is so lame, Nicky every time, very lame. Yeah,
Dad jokes all day.

Speaker 8 (50:48):
I'm a dad.

Speaker 2 (50:49):
No, that's yeah, that's that's fine. Hey, what's going on
at New Zealand Cricket, Darcy?

Speaker 21 (50:54):
What's going on? Yeah, no one knows. It's chaos from
the looks of it. There's a lot of very unhappy
provincial people who don't believe that Scott weeningk who is
the CEO currently quite has a handle on what's going on.
It doesn't want to run too fast at something new
and fangle in the T twenty space. On the defensive

(51:14):
side of Scott Weening, I'm reasonably interested in someone who
chooses caution over throwing everything at a new event. Straight away.
I think that is the CEO of a major organization
like cricket, part and parcel of your job is to
show caution, maybe slightly too much. But we've seen other

(51:36):
organizations climb into things like still Relate, for example, And
I don't know if that's particularly guarantee it.

Speaker 2 (51:42):
But it sounds like he's on his own here, Darcy.
Is he going to lose his job over this? So
they're trying to get rid of him.

Speaker 21 (51:46):
This room was around a week ago two. We thought
in the last AGM this information would come out that
he's been dropped kicked. Have you even't got the support
of all your organizations? It's very very hard to keep
on going. Now we don't we're not on the weed
to this. We don't know what the detail are because
everyone's being very tight lipped around who said what and
where and why. But I still look to a CEO,

(52:08):
everyone's got to just take a breath, and I'm sure
the best interests of cricket are with him and he
doesn't want to jump into something it might be long
term costly for the country.

Speaker 2 (52:18):
So what it is, Nikki, is that everybody else is
loving the idea of this tea twenty, which seems to
be backed by Indian money, are being set up here
in New Zealand in January and he's not keen on it.
So where do you sit on it? Do you like
the idea of the T twenty setting up in New Zealand?
Would you prefer to have teams out us trying to
get our teams into the big Bash in Australia.

Speaker 20 (52:36):
I actually have quite a strong view on the set.
There's a surprise Heather. Basically, look, look, I can understand
Scott Wenning being a little bit concerned because the setup
of this league technically, you know, it's threatening New Zealand
Crickets control of the game in this country. Okay, so

(52:57):
New Zealand Cricket would have no say in how it
is and they would to guard against that. And I
guess you know that is fair enough. But let's just
take a little closer look at it. I mean, if
we went with this n Z twenty league, first of all,
it would keep a lot of the top players here
to ply their T twenty trade where currently they are
all running off shore and earning a lot of money.
And we haven't even seen King Williamson this year. Foreign

(53:19):
ownership brings in money, it brings an investment, it brings
in professionalism. It would also help the development and funding
of the next wave of New Zealand players with that
level of you know, professionalism in the country. Here's probably
the reason why that the major unions like it because
twenty five percent of the league ownership would go to

(53:40):
the major cricket unions. Now that's huge. It means that
New Zealand cricket don't have to fund it. They can
then spend their money on other areas of development. So
you know, it's been trialed in the West Indies, it's
been trialed in South Africa. We're not just trial but
just going ahead. And actually it's taken the control away
from the governing body and the middle they've turned a profit.

(54:01):
So I guess it's a sort of a double edged
sword here. You know, you are taking on something that
could help your organization, but also you are relinquishing a
degree of control.

Speaker 21 (54:12):
It's a financial sugar effects, isn't it. And that's what
we're going to be worried about, Nikki. So when you
look at whether leenex right or wrong, I think just
easy now and playing caution because you look at the
New Zealand.

Speaker 2 (54:23):
Rugby they're like, we want silver, like because we get
a whole lot.

Speaker 21 (54:25):
Of money and what do they do with it? They
blew it all and there's nothing left.

Speaker 20 (54:28):
So there's that so black, that's not not you know,
your whole domestic competition. I think the other thing to
look at is the alternative, and the alternative is that
New Zealand. But you know, enter a team into the
Big Bash. Well that's only a good idea when you
don't have a strong domestic competition. When the Warriors and
the Phoenix and the Breakers all went in the old competition,
they didn't have a strong domestic competition.

Speaker 2 (54:50):
Do we increase that competition, you know Nikki who watches it, Yes,
we do.

Speaker 20 (54:55):
But this technically, if we started this league, sorry, if
we went into the Big Bash, it would absolutely ruin
it because all the best players would then want to
play in the Big Bash and the local comp would
get diluted. So that's not the answer either, unless say
you could have say three New Zealand teams in a
Big Bash, but Australia would never go. I mean, is

(55:16):
it not possible, actually, Darcy, that you have to pick
the lesser of the Evils and there are three evils
and actually carrying on the way we are with it,
the status quote is not working either.

Speaker 21 (55:25):
And just going back to you said four, Niki, was
the provincial unions over the All Blacks that wanted more
money and control and it's kind of similar to what
happens with these provincial teams it. I think that what
we've seen in New Zealand has send in the Zealand
cricket of recent times is the preparedness of players to
get straight into international cricket even though they've had a

(55:47):
diet of provincial cricket and they've had the Super Smash
that they've been involved in. And it's actually worked out
quite well, Nikki, because we've got a lot of these
players who are now they're getting packed older in their career,
later in the twenty six, twenty seven. They know their game,
they know what they can do. It's almost seamless, and
I think that helps when you've got a structure like

(56:09):
we've got, right.

Speaker 2 (56:10):
Nikki, Listen, you mean sorry, Darcy, there was a question
for you the sum You.

Speaker 21 (56:16):
Mean, yeah, they're super smash.

Speaker 6 (56:18):
Yeah.

Speaker 20 (56:18):
I think the only problem with that, Dars is that
when Sky get the rights back to the cricket not
this season, but next season. They are not televising the
Super Smash.

Speaker 6 (56:29):
Yeah, so.

Speaker 20 (56:31):
That's not good.

Speaker 2 (56:32):
Well, there you go. Who watches the cheap seats and
fire hot takes of people? We have to make these decisions,
all right, we take a break, thankfully, We'll take a break.
Come back very shortly with the Sports Huddle sixteen away
from six.

Speaker 1 (56:43):
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Speaker 2 (56:50):
Back on the Sport Huddle. Nickystyrras, Darcy Watergrave, Nikki, do
you think the International Judo Federation is doing the right
thing letting the Russians back in with their flag and
their anthem and the whole shebang.

Speaker 12 (57:00):
Yeah.

Speaker 20 (57:01):
Look, look, I do call me simplistic, but I still
feel that sport needs to remain neutral, independent and free
from political influence. And it just really saddens me when
I see it infiltrate the likes of the Olympics. Now,
you know, I know that this is just one thing,
but taking the flag away has sort of maybe accomplished

(57:21):
a few things. Depending on which lends you looking through,
I guess it's center political signal, and you know it
has mattered in that regard, but really a tool to
change the way that the Kremlin actually do their policy,
I would suggest it's been largely symbolic. And you know
the other thing that really doesn't sit well with me
is why is the Ukraine Russia conflict any different to

(57:42):
the Israel Palestine conflict with regards to if you want
to infiltrate sport, why you're not imposing the same sanctions?
And then who would you impose them on? Which impose
them on Israel? Would you pose them on palestinean? What
a mess? Just stay out of it.

Speaker 2 (57:56):
I love that rule. I love that rule. Does they
have said it to you so many times? Politics stay
out sports needs to start a politics.

Speaker 21 (58:02):
It can't happen. Well, it doesn't happen tootally you look
at it, sporting politicians and twined they always have been
no as will be. I think it's a very simplistic
concept to say stay out, you can't do it. And
in a perfect world, I get it. I'll be all
over there. You know what I think about politics. So
that's why I don't do your show. I love it,

(58:22):
but unfortunately it is and these power games are played,
and I look at Juda and I look back at
the relationship between International Judo and Putin and what happens there,
And I'm thinking, okay, are we going to follow the
money trail? What's actually happening here? Why has he made
that decision? I don't think it came from nowhere. It's
an interesting judo I think he does.

Speaker 3 (58:44):
Yeah, he does.

Speaker 2 (58:45):
He loves to know. I think so nicky. He gets
gets us top off and then he wrestles.

Speaker 21 (58:52):
And then he gets on a horse and yeah, gallop
through it. For international Judo, it's an interesting hill to die.
It's one not I wouldn't choose. But look, it's their federation.
They can do what they will. I wonder what pushback
they'll get from this at all level where maybe Ukraine
fighters go, well, you know what, I'm not fighting him,
and then it really starts, well what.

Speaker 2 (59:13):
You want to do is fighting this is for the
for the crimea bang. Listen, now, do you have any
theory for me saying as you're coming in hot Nikki
today on why it is that the f one is
dragging out the Liam Lawson confirmation that we all know
is going to happen. They make it this a weird
about this look.

Speaker 20 (59:32):
I think they're just trying to concentrate on the Constructors' Championship.
Maybe they haven't made up their minds, but well, I
know to me, to me, it's obvious he's fighting for
that one seat in the Racing bulls team. You know
it's him. It's a more sonoda and you know, I
guess on record you have to say that sort of
Liam holds a trump card, but not taking anything for

(59:54):
granted and modort wort is not my area of expertise,
but even I get a feeling that he's going to
have a seat next year, whether it's with Racing Balls
or potentially another you know, middle order team like Pass
or Williams or something like that.

Speaker 2 (01:00:07):
I feel like, yeah, do you think does do you
think that the English are going to sort themselves out?
Are they going to still suck at the Ashes?

Speaker 21 (01:00:16):
Highly likely? I'm going to Glenn mcgrare it's going to
be five nil. Is awful what they're doing and what
they've done. But in saying that, the Australians are not
without blame. If you look at that, just to Trevor's
head innings, he could have been out on a number
of occasions he was just as reckless and irresponsible as
the middle Order of England. So when you've got essentially

(01:00:38):
what was it, it was a series of T twenties
masquerading as a Test match. Do you think that's going
to change come next Thursday when it's when it's a
pink ball test and Bristoe it's going to be even
more scandalous or outrageous.

Speaker 20 (01:00:52):
Or Look, Bears is stuck between a rock and a
hard place here. You can't that's your strategy, and you
know he's gone on record to say that that's how
they're going to play, and you've got to trust the process.
Then you can't just suddenly go, oh, we've had one
loss and now we're going to change tech completely because
it undermines your your authority and your leadership. So he
kind of has to stick with it, and Stokes is

(01:01:13):
a big fan of that type of play too. But
you're damn right Brisbane under the lights with a pink
ball and a bouncy pitch, it's going to make great
viewing anyway.

Speaker 21 (01:01:24):
He's the cricket in God's punishing all those New Zealanders
for going to play for England.

Speaker 3 (01:01:29):
How did did you.

Speaker 2 (01:01:30):
Read that passport? Did you read the article about Jeff
Lawson and witnessing David Boone sink fifty two tenneyes on
the flight before the ashes.

Speaker 21 (01:01:40):
I had a cricket team in christ and we used
to wear a beige that was way back in the day.
I had them designed for us and we were called
Team Boone to celebrate Boone, and our cats cry for
dedication was fifty two boys, fifty two boys, Let's get
on there. So I love that that story coming.

Speaker 2 (01:01:57):
Back and producer ants is lamenting the fact that we
don't get behind the scenes yarns like this anymore, and
I feel it as a passage, isn't it.

Speaker 20 (01:02:06):
Oh look, yeah, there's some goodies. But the problem with
these days is that you've got social media everywhere, and
you know, people like him would have been video doing it.
It would have been a catastrophe. I'm sure there's still
elements of it's still happening, but also we live in
a much more professional sports environment, yeah, a little more tempered.

Speaker 21 (01:02:24):
Just a word on McCallum. There's a good story from
early days and he's really young, it's like a teenager
and he came in and he played Cracke at a
top level and he went out just trying to flog
the ball all over the boundary and try to smash
it there and there. And they're like, bro, you're gonna
just like you know, calm down all the older guys
and goes, this is how I play, and I'm not
going to stop and.

Speaker 3 (01:02:42):
Look and he walked off the pitch and that's so
he's true to form.

Speaker 2 (01:02:46):
Yep, at least he at least he's authentic. Hey guys,
it's lovely to shat you enjoy your weekend day. That's start.
Nick Oh lovely, Oh you're so lovely, You're weirdo, Darcy
water Graves, Nicky Styrs. Sports Huddle seven from six.

Speaker 1 (01:03:01):
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Speaker 2 (01:03:10):
I'm getting a lot of texts from people saying the
reason that the Russian athletes we kept out of Judo
was actually because of the drug cheating and not the
Ukraine invasion. That's what I thought as well, but no,
apparently was the Ukraine invasion. They had a neutral status
on them from the Judo International Federation or whatever, the
governing body is called it had a neutral status and
then following the invasion of Ukraine three and a half

(01:03:31):
almost four years ago, then it was shifted to now
you can't compete under your flag. So it is actually
about politics. So Royce's is reporting this Hong Kong fire
poses test for China's grip on the city. Now, if
you remember Peter Lewis, who joins us every Friday after
half past six, actually is in Hong Kong, so he's
going to talk us through that when he's with us.

(01:03:51):
Shortly three schools this year have had one hundred pass
rates for NCEEA Level three. The three schools are to
Kuta Ko Papa Maori or the Faro Tahi in christ Church,
Saint Dominic's College, a private school, and Monecow Christian School
which is also a private school. Now, the reason it
is the same reason that all three have because I mean,

(01:04:13):
one hundred percent pass rate is pretty outstanding, right, But
the reason all three have managed to achieve that is
because they have very very they're very small schools. So
Takuta down in christ Church fourteen school leavers, Sint Dominic's
ten school leavers in Manicow Christian School twelve school leavers.
So that's the reason why the team here have taken
no end of pleasure in going going and have a

(01:04:34):
looking at my old alma mater. To call my school
my alma mater is definitely to make it seem much
leafier than it actually was. And I'm happy to report
to you that it is something of a miracle that
I have managed to graduate in CEA level three, although
this will go some way to explaining why basic maths

(01:04:54):
is beyond me. From time to time, there were more
kids who left without in CEA three this year at
Tuakou College then kids who did leave with NCAA level three.
So yeah, that's that's my story for you right there.
But look, hey, I'm one that got away with NCEEA
level three. Yeah, for me, something's happening after six. I

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can't tell you about what's exciting. If you like water
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Speaker 3 (01:05:26):
What's up? What's down? What were the major calls and
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The big business questions on the Business hour, We've had
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Even in coming up in the next hour. Peter Lewis
on the Hong Kong fire and the implications for China's
We're going to rap the political week that was, and
Gavin Gray is with us out of the UK of
course at seven past six. Now, after years of being mothballed,
Why Where the Thermal Springs are going to get a
huge do up. The investor, a new investor other is
set to buy the site and is planning a fifty
million dollar of development to develop the area into a

(01:06:06):
world class wellness destination, and the development is expected to
bring three hundred million dollars worth of economic activity in
the first five years of operation. Brandon Batttergoal is the
director of Why We're to Therm's Thermal Springs and is
with us now.

Speaker 7 (01:06:19):
Hi Brandon, Hello Heather, Thanks for having us.

Speaker 2 (01:06:22):
Yeah, mate, very very good to talk to you. On
a scale of one to ten, how excited are you?

Speaker 22 (01:06:26):
Well, I've just left the community consultation that we put
on an event here at Sugar Loaf.

Speaker 7 (01:06:32):
We've put flyers out.

Speaker 22 (01:06:33):
We expected, well, we didn't know what to expect, but
it looks like the whole community turned up. I've just
walked out of there, and completely overwhelmed with the support
that we had from everyone in the community. So I'm buzzing.

Speaker 7 (01:06:45):
It's incredible.

Speaker 2 (01:06:46):
What am I right in thinking that the old site
was completely demolished. You've got basically nothing there and you
can start all over again.

Speaker 22 (01:06:54):
There's absolutely nothing that I'm looking at it now and
it's just a vacant site with some big piles of
crushed concrete, completely completely nothing. So you know, what we're
proposing is to We'll be putting our resource content application
of Council on Monday, and what we're proposing is twenty
eight pools on the site, plus a whole range of

(01:07:16):
wellness activities. Of those twenty eight pools, there all be
various different temperatures, different shapes, different sizes, and everyone has
access to everything.

Speaker 7 (01:07:26):
It's a very inclusive experience of wellness.

Speaker 22 (01:07:30):
You leave your city life, the busy life, come here
for a moment of calm, to connect with yourself, connect
with each other, connect with nature.

Speaker 7 (01:07:39):
As I said, we just talked to the community about that.

Speaker 22 (01:07:41):
We unveiled our plans, we showed them images, and it
was zero controversy.

Speaker 7 (01:07:46):
We were just fully embraced by them.

Speaker 2 (01:07:48):
I'm told by people who've seen the pictures of what
you're planning. There are no slides.

Speaker 7 (01:07:53):
There are no slides. This is the new why we're okay?
So is it slides?

Speaker 2 (01:07:58):
What I take from that is this is not for
the children.

Speaker 21 (01:08:00):
This is fair.

Speaker 2 (01:08:01):
You've got a bit of money and you want to
treat yourself and have a spa. Is that type of vibe?

Speaker 7 (01:08:05):
No, that is not it at all. Actually we're really
we're very, very inclusive, so we welcome families. Yeah.

Speaker 22 (01:08:11):
Look, the development team here is really experienced, so you
can probably hear my Australian accent, but the full team
between us, we have a New Zealand partner as well.
Between us, we have more than a decade experience of
running thermal springs and hot springs.

Speaker 7 (01:08:25):
We have operated and owned well.

Speaker 22 (01:08:27):
I'm actually an owner and a shareholder and executive chairman
of Muija Hot Springs on the South Island between Nelson
and christ Church and Lewis Pass, but also have been
involved with Peninsula Hot Springs, which is ninety minutes out
of Melbourne, has five hundred and fifteen thousand to six
hundred thousand visitors. So we know what we're doing and
that's a lot of families. You can go with your parents,

(01:08:48):
you go with your children, you go with your partner,
you go with your friends. It really is an inclusive experience.
You know, it has to be inclusive, and the price
point has to reflect that.

Speaker 2 (01:09:00):
Yeah, I mean, you know it's obviously a little bit
out of the way nowadays. So it's going to be
a destination, isn't It's it's going to be something that
people are going to go to special especially well.

Speaker 22 (01:09:11):
I just I mean I've driven here a lot in
the last two years, as it's been two years in
the planning to come here today. It's just forty minutes
from the CBD along the motorway, But as soon as
you get off the motorway, you're you just suddenly can breathe,
and then you drive into way. We're are forty minutes
after leaving the CBD and and it's like you've just
left the city and your busy life and the hectic life,

(01:09:31):
and you come here to slow down, to relax and
to connect.

Speaker 7 (01:09:35):
It's going to be incredible.

Speaker 2 (01:09:36):
Brandon, thank you, mate, appreciate Brandon Badagold, the director of
Why We're to Thermal Springs six to eleven.

Speaker 3 (01:09:42):
Ever, du c Ellen hither.

Speaker 2 (01:09:44):
I've heard the why we're to redevelopment story every five
years since nineteen eighty five. Don't hold your breath, do
you go? Like I know, look, I know I'm going
to ask you this question, and you're immediately going to
pig me as Oh yep, didn't actually pass INTOA level
three at two ocour College. But is the thermal hot
springs you go to in the winter? Is it something
you can go to in the winter time as well
as the summertime? When I was going to to Aco College,

(01:10:06):
I had one down the road, Miranda Hot Springs, and
I can't remember, like I kind of gave up going
to the hot springs. It became very unfashionable to go
to the hot springs because the hot springs were all
kind of done at the same time, and by the
time I was going to school, they looked really cruddy,
do you know what I mean? Like even and that's
even when I was going to school, and we're talking

(01:10:29):
like twenty thirty thirty left, Shall we be honest about this?
Thirty years ago when I would have been going to
the hot springs, it was going cruddy. So it was
already like dilapidated and shite, so I stopped going to
it as you do, so I can't remember if this
is something that you go to in the winter or
if it's something you go to in the summer. So
it hit me with that nine two niney two, because
I might have just found a fantastic winter activity for us. Now,

(01:10:52):
this is an interesting thing that's happening in Hamilton this week,
and so if you if you see a lot of
people hanging about in Hamilton, if you're down there, what's
going on is the new Mardy Queen is hosting a
global business summit tomorrow and the aim of this thing
is to basically untether the Maori economy from the New
Zealand economy so that it can be independent, it can
forge its own international alliances and do its own thing.

(01:11:12):
And so, as a result, in order to make this
thing happen, she has taken the initiative of inviting about
one hundred and seventy different people. They are indigenous business
global leaders from across New Zealand, across the world, and
they've got a bunch of keynote speakers and they're they're
all going to get together and nut this out. And
guess who one of the keynotes speakers is our lovely
former New Zealand Reserve Bank Governor Martua Adrian Or that's

(01:11:37):
right now you found out what he's doing. So we
were all like, what are you going to do with
your life Adrian now that you've left the Reserve Bank
and you're on You're todd Well, it turns out he's
going to be giving speeches to indigenous global alliances. Thirteen
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Speaker 2 (01:12:59):
Used talks right seventeen pass. So let's wrap the political
week that was with Thomas Coglan the Herald's Political Edit
to welcome back Thomas.

Speaker 16 (01:13:06):
Good afternoon.

Speaker 2 (01:13:07):
So it feels to me like the idea of scrapping
the councilors on the regional councils has proved to be
quite popular.

Speaker 16 (01:13:13):
Yeah, and I'm not surprised. Everyone around the country, and
I mean all of the political parties can see that
local government had some big issues and some big problems
and that some streamlining is required. Obviously there's a massive
amount of disagreement over what the streamlining is and the
plans for it. I guess the real question is what

(01:13:34):
these new mere panels of meors, the panels that are
replacing the regional councilors. The real question is what they
decide to do going forward. I mean, the regional councilors
are going to be gone for a couple of years
and that's sort of interesting. But the real question hanging
over the way that local government works is will these
meors decide, hey, look, we just don't have enough money

(01:13:56):
to go forward as we are. Let's do some massive
amalgamation and basically end up with eleven more Auckland style supersities.

Speaker 3 (01:14:04):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:14:04):
Now I think the number is going to be slightly more,
and I'll tell you why, because I was talking to
a farmer about this, and the farmer said, you can't
possibly amalgamate the wy Cato Regional Council area into one
big regional council because the farmers don't want the townies.
They don't want to be way Cato's rural areas plus
Hamilton because they don't want the town's telling them what

(01:14:25):
to do. So you have to split up some of
these some of these areas have to be split up
a little smaller, right, yes.

Speaker 16 (01:14:31):
And I why like that is one of them. And
I also think that Stay Walks Bay area Canterbury. Yeah,
and Canterbury is a real forty one because christ Church
is so large in Canterbury that it would basically be
christ Church and getting it say over basically everything. The
population is just so dominant, so those I mean, and

(01:14:54):
that's Wheree's where it gets quite interesting because those councils
have the ability to amalgamate a lot of stuff, to amalgamate,
you know, rubbish collection maybe, or a lot a lot
more transport. Obviously water is getting amalgamated anyway across a
lot of country. So you amalgamate some things, but you
keep the councils seemi independent. So I think I think
we're going to see lots of amalgamation. I guess eventually Wellington.

Speaker 6 (01:15:18):
Is going to do it.

Speaker 16 (01:15:19):
But I also think you're going to see some councils
stay independent, but they'll be forced to amalgamate a lot
of services. I think there's the other thing here that's
still working in the background is that the government is
standing behind these councils with a big stick saying well,
you have to present your plans, but we're the ones
who are going to be marking your homework. You know,
the local government ministers is going to be the one
who says whether the plans that these mayors submit are

(01:15:40):
sufficient to what the government wants. And so if the
councils come back and say, hey, look we want to
stay independent, and the local government minister has the ability
to say, I'm sorry, you know, you're the plane you've
submitted is not is 'tenough to scratch, you know, go
back again and do it again.

Speaker 2 (01:15:55):
Yeah, listen, sounds to me like the coup is off.
Bishop didn't have enough numbers.

Speaker 16 (01:16:00):
Yeah, that's that's that's my understanding as well. It's sort
of the shadow coup where I think someone was flying
a kite to say, hey, look if this coup, if
there were to be a change of leadership, you know,
what do you think about that national caucus? And it
sounds like not enough people to use. And it also
sounds like a lot of yewy senior national MPs, very
various senior right at the top of the party. They've

(01:16:21):
got memories of what happened in twenty twenty when there
was a bit of a was it when there was
a lot of destabilization and they don't want to revisit
that period so rightly wrongly, those MP's have decided that
that's not going to happen. So the sort of shadow
coup that was a maybe coup is the willy won't
be be a cop. It sounds like there was very
much off the table at the moment.

Speaker 2 (01:16:42):
How do you feel, how do you reckon Winston's feeling
at the moment with both sides flourishing at him with
the repeal of the Regulatory Standards Act.

Speaker 16 (01:16:50):
Yeah, it's interesting, like so you've got obviously off the
whole opposition all the way down to Party Maori. That's
something that New zealand'sers and to Party Maurray agree on.
And then obviously you've no he's on National saying yep,
we could very well campaign on repealing the Regulatory Standard
Ack as well. I wonder how David seam was feeling
about that, because it's pretty lonely. It's pretty lonely in
support of that of that legislation. Interestingly, today Seemaur put

(01:17:14):
out a press release discussing the hundreds of millions of
dollars of benefits that is coming from his regulatory sort
of focus. So he believes, for I think about twenty
million dollars worth of taxpayer investment, I've seen a massive
return on investment in terms of the regulations that what
their regulations have. Declaring away of regulations, I should say,

(01:17:35):
has done for the economy. But it's a pretty lonely
position for it because everyone else wants to get rid
of the regular story standard.

Speaker 13 (01:17:40):
Ack.

Speaker 8 (01:17:41):
And you've seen today news that Alex Master's former Winston
Peters press secretary is going to be joining the Labor
Party as Labor's chief press secretary going off the election.
So you know, Labor's even poaching, even poaching Winston's old staff.

Speaker 16 (01:17:55):
It's all on.

Speaker 7 (01:17:57):
It is all on.

Speaker 2 (01:17:58):
Hey, thank you very much, Thomas, appreciate it. Thomas Coglin,
the Herald's political edits a wrapping the political week. That was,
by the way, I got a text earlier saying wins
Barry back. Barry actually finished his book. He finished it yesterday,
he sent it to the publisher. But then you know,
had he actually he was planning a nice lunch with
a mate today, but then childcare was sick. So he's
done babysitting today. Anyhow, he is going to be back

(01:18:20):
on Monday. I've got an answer on the hot pools
stand by Sex twenty two.

Speaker 3 (01:18:26):
Whether it's macro micro or just plain economics.

Speaker 1 (01:18:29):
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Speaker 3 (01:18:35):
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Speaker 2 (01:18:37):
That'd be Heather a wellness center for kids. They're not
going to be interested without the slides.

Speaker 8 (01:18:43):
No.

Speaker 2 (01:18:43):
Look, I've looked at the pictures now and this is
not a kid friendly place. This is and you don't
want to take your kids to it because there are
no slides, and you don't want other people to bring
their kids because you're trying to relax and it's flash.
It's way too boogie for the children. Very happy to
report to you, Yes, you can go to the hot
the thermal pools in the Wes to What I'm trying
to establish is are they actually warm enough to be

(01:19:03):
in them in the winter? And Ants tells me the
elephant pool was so hot that you could do wash
in it.

Speaker 11 (01:19:09):
You could boil noodles in the elephant pool. I never
understood the elephant pool at why we're not only was
it really really shallow, but the I mean, it's hot pools.
I get that, But there's hot pools and then there's this.
I could never sit in it for more than five
minutes without feeling like I was going to start getting schooled.
Like the death pool people who are like SPA enthusiasts,
I don't understand them. I don't get them.

Speaker 3 (01:19:28):
I don't know.

Speaker 2 (01:19:29):
How do you understand the people who get into ice
baths for five minutes and then come out and like
reverberate with all their energy.

Speaker 11 (01:19:35):
Well, actually I know because I've done that before. I've
gone and had a cold shower and then jumped in
the sauna and then jumped out and had a cold
shower and stuff like.

Speaker 2 (01:19:42):
You know, you do get a little bit of a
buzz from them.

Speaker 11 (01:19:43):
I just feel like that when you're getting in the
hot pool, I want to get in like a warm
pool rather than something that's thirty whatever degrees.

Speaker 2 (01:19:49):
Well, no, thirty watering for degrees is okay. When you're
talking about at the noodle stage is like that's extreme.

Speaker 11 (01:19:54):
Yeah, you're right, actually right, don't plot on noodles.

Speaker 2 (01:19:56):
And so anyway, he's he this being ants is starting
to bring back the elephant pool thing six twenty six.

Speaker 3 (01:20:04):
There's no business like show business genis now.

Speaker 2 (01:20:09):
When you think of wedding singer, you probably don't think
of someone at the peak of their career. You think
of somebody doing the low Renk covers and your drunk
ants is the only person on the dance floor. But
it actually turns out some of the world's most popular
musicians are actually making a good buck of performing at weddings.
J Loo Jennifer Lopez, performed at the wedding of the
Indian pharmaceutical eras Netra Midtena and the tech entrepreneur Varmi

(01:20:29):
Guddy Raju last weekend and for her trouble she got
paid three point three million dollars and she went all out.
She had the costume changes and the multiple hits and
even a Champagne toast to the couple.

Speaker 3 (01:20:40):
You don't.

Speaker 2 (01:20:45):
They're celebrated. How good J Loo is actually cheap by
the way, So if you're thinking about an A list
performer and you've got lots of money, you could go
Beyoncey nearly seven million dollars when she did the perform
and said the Indian billionaire wedding wedding. She did forty
five minutes. By the way, Rihanna, that's fifteen point seven

(01:21:06):
million New Zealand dollars, so you're very loaded for that.
Christina Aguilera is going to set you back about five mil.
She's going to perform only three songs. Alternative as you
could just get the pub band and back in the
day could have gone to Wywad to Pools as well,
couldn't you. Peter Lewis with us next out of Hong Kong.

Speaker 1 (01:21:30):
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Speaker 2 (01:21:53):
Heather Read the regional council's dissolvement. What happens to the
Hawks Bay Regional Council's fifty five percent ownership of Napier Port. Well,
the regional councils are not being dissolved. I'm sorry to
break this news to you. The regional councils are not
being dissolved just yet. It's the councilors that sit around
the table who are being the other ones, you know,

(01:22:14):
doing that. We're doing the old head off with them.
The councils actually remain. The function remains. So all those
dudes who sit there going I'm making all the plans,
you know, all they're like the gray bureaucrats, they still stay.
And then what happened, So the ownership is unchanged, because
the owner, because the entity remains. Therefore the ownership remains.
But then what's going to happen if you follow this
and read my column at the weekend, Actually this we'll

(01:22:36):
explain it to you. I I personally think rather nicely.
What then happens next is that, hopefully, as Thomas has
explained to us, these these existing councils, which still exist,
then hover up everything else and suck up the little
city council, suck up the little district councils, kind of
like what happened with Auckland Council and turning into the supercity.
We used to remember, we used to have Manekow City Council,

(01:22:56):
Franklin District Council, all of that stuff, and then Nick
and Auckland City can and then all just got sucked
up an Auckland Regional Council. All got sucked up into
one council. That's what we're hoping to do. Listen. The
publishers of the unauthorized Jacinda Biography want you to know
because they keep telling us this every week. It's doing
really well, like people are really buying it. They put
out another press release today. They've almost completely sold out

(01:23:18):
of seven thousand copies, which basically makes it very close
to a double best seller. The third print run has
now been delivered. It's become one of the country's fastest
moving political books of the year. It's number four in
the New Zealand best seller List brackets New Zealand non
Fiction in its second week. It's actually and I have
to say, did did quite enjoy this? It's actually overtaken

(01:23:39):
Jasin Dardun's own memoir. According to the Nielson IQ Book
Data New Zealand Data, Auckland Council Libraries now have over
three hundred and twenty holds on the book. Multiple booksellers
have sold through their initial allocations. So there you go.
If you're thinking, I don't know what am I going
to buy the husband this Christmas? I mean, could you

(01:23:59):
go wrong? Could you do worse than buying him a
book about just Sinder? Could you do worse than that?
He'd open it up on Christmas Day and immediately the
day would be ruined. Maybe don't do it for Christmas Day,
Maybe just to have it like I don't know, maybe
Valentine's Day or something like that. Twenty two away from seven.

(01:24:21):
Peter lewis our Asia Business correspondence with us right now, Hi, Peter,
Hello there, Heather. Okay, the fire in Hong Kong. I mean,
you know every day that the number gets worse in
terms of the death tollon's very bloody close to one
hundred now is the problem from the sounds of things,
the scaffolding and the cladding around it for the renovations.

Speaker 6 (01:24:41):
That seems to be one of the issues. As you
probably know. I mean, bamboo scaffolding around buildings, high rise
buildings in Hong Kong is a pretty iconic sight. It's
one of the things that you see almost every day
in the city and it's been used since the nineteen
sixty when the first economic boom really started in Hong

(01:25:03):
Kong and there was a lot of need to put
up high rise blocks very quickly, and bamboo is very
very plentiful. It's been used in China for a thousand years,
so it's very light, very portable, very easy to cut
into the right sort of lengths, and the city employs
thousands of people who are experts at putting up this

(01:25:26):
bamboo scaffolding tig in altogether. And it's quite a sight
because they can have a whole building covered in about
a day in the scaffolding. So it's sort of almost
part of sort of Hong Kong's infrastructure. But the problem
is it is flammable, and as we saw in this
particular fire, there are eight residential blocks in the estate

(01:25:49):
in Typo, seven of them caught fire, and it's clearly
because of the flammable materials around all the buildings, spreading
very quickly from one to So that's definitely one aspect
of this that's going to be focused on in the
aftermath of this tragedy. The other one is just how

(01:26:09):
poorly Hong Kong enforces it's building regulations, it's health and
safety regulations. I mean, we hear all the time in
Hong Kong of construction workers being killed on construction sites,
window cleaners falling off of high rise buildings, of people
workers falling off this scaffolding, and it seems, you know,

(01:26:33):
there has been an issue for a long time with
the regulations. Not that the regulations don't exist, they're just
not enforced very well. And it appears that in this
particular case, the regulators have issued several fire hazard warnings
about these buildings which have been under renovation now since
twenty twenty four, and nothing was done about it. So

(01:26:55):
this clearly is going to be a big focus after
the event and once we know the final toll from
this terrible tragedy. But it's almost certain to become Hong
Kong's worst fire. The one so far. There's a fire
in nineteen forty eight that killed one hundred and seventy
six people. But you know, these units in Taypo housed

(01:27:17):
over four and a half thousand people and there's still
several hundred people unaccounted for, So this really could easily
turn into Hong Kong's deadliest fire.

Speaker 2 (01:27:27):
Yeah, incredibly said, Listen, what's going on with China and
depends new prime minister? Why is it so heated?

Speaker 6 (01:27:34):
Well, it's a bit of a mystery as to why
Takichi has done this, she says. She's just stated there's
no change in Japan's policy towards China and its position
over Taiwan, and she was just stating when it's always
been and that you know, she was just responding to

(01:27:56):
a question in parliament. So it begs the question, if
you're just staydating what is already known, why state it
at all, why even mention it? Because she must have
known that this was going to be a red flag
to the ball when it comes to China. China is
very very sensitive to these issues. Now there's certainly a
feeling that maybe China itself is rather overreacting to this,

(01:28:20):
but nevertheless, there are also question marks over what Takij's
agenda is. But it appears she's been told by President
Trump to calm it down a little bit and to
not escalate the tensions. He got involved earlier in the
week with a call, took a call from Jiji Ping
about this, and he in turn call Takiji and according

(01:28:41):
to reports, he asked her diplomatically not to escalate things
now as true, that alone tells you a couple of things.
First of all, it's unusual for Jiji Ping to initiate
a call to Donald Trump, so it really shows that
he is looking for help and support on this issue,

(01:29:02):
and for Taiwan's and for their position on Taiwan. He
was quoting the post World War II order, which he
says both China and the US help to create because
they both thought to click together in the Second World War.
So he's really raising ratcheting up the odds sort of here,
And in turn, it sort of seems to suggest as

(01:29:24):
well that Donald Trump doesn't want to have anything that's
going to potentially disrupt his chances of a trade deal
with China, and that includes Taiwan, and that includes Japan's
sort of escalation of this matter, even though he told
Takiji when he was in Japan just a few weeks
ago that they were best friends. All she had to

(01:29:46):
do was call him and he will provide anything that
Japan needed. So clearly there's a lot of angles to
this incident and this diplomatic spat.

Speaker 2 (01:29:57):
Peter, thanks very much, look after yourself. We'll talk to
you next week. That's Peter. What was our Asia business correspondent?

Speaker 12 (01:30:02):
Now?

Speaker 2 (01:30:03):
I don't really want to wind you up this late
on a Friday afternoon, but you might want to hear
about what some consultants are charging, because it's who it's
good money. I'll tell you about a shortly sixteen away
from seven.

Speaker 3 (01:30:14):
Well, if it's to do with money, it matters to you.

Speaker 1 (01:30:18):
The Business Hour with Heather Duplicy Allen and Mayre's Motor
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Speaker 2 (01:30:26):
Be Kevin Gray UK corresponds with us. Now, hey, Gevini
had ah but of a U turn from the government.

Speaker 14 (01:30:32):
Nah, screeching U turn. This one one of the big
planks of their manifesto was talking of basically a worker's
rights document and they were really going to rip up
the existing legislation and introduce things which were much much
friendlier to the employee, not the employer, and that included
a right to unfair dismissal claims from the very first

(01:30:55):
day in their job. Now, this had been very controversial
many big companies saying it is going to make us
very reluctant to hire people knowing that they could turn
up on the first day and then say, oh right,
I didn't like this, so yeah, that's not good, and
you then dismiss them and then they go away and

(01:31:15):
claim on an industrial tribunal that you've done something wrong.
And indeed, the House of Lords, the Second Chamber here
had already begun to express a bit of opposition to it.
So the government's climbed down on this and other new
day one rights are to sick pay and paternity leave.

Speaker 3 (01:31:34):
They will still go ahead.

Speaker 14 (01:31:36):
They are very controversial, but it looks like the biggest
one that people were worried about, employers were worried about,
was this idea of unfair dismissal on day one. Currently,
employers face additional legal hurdles if they want to sack
employees who've been in the role for more than two years,
they've got to identify a fair reason for dismissal, like

(01:31:56):
conduct or capability, and show that they acted reason following
a sort of fair process that the government labored plan
to abolish that alongside new legal probationary periods likely to
have been nine months, So a real big climb down.
Most of the unions saying okay, though Unite Union, one
of the big ones that works throughout the NHS, that

(01:32:18):
the uturn would damage worker's confidence.

Speaker 2 (01:32:22):
Okay, Now, what do you make of the fact that
the knit migration's fallen back so far.

Speaker 14 (01:32:27):
I think it's a really interesting one for the government.
There's plenty there that they might have been tempted to celebrate,
but here's the.

Speaker 3 (01:32:34):
Bad news for them.

Speaker 14 (01:32:35):
First of all, experts are saying the drop from two
hundred and four thousand in this September twenty four to
September twenty five period is significantly down from six hundred
and forty nine thousand, so dropped by two thirds in
the previous year in comparison. But many experts are saying
the reason for that is fewer people arriving for work

(01:32:58):
and study and the re and there are a fewer
people arriving for worker study is because of a bit
of legislation that the previous government introduced just before they
got the boot at the general election.

Speaker 3 (01:33:09):
And that previous bit of legislation was really.

Speaker 14 (01:33:12):
Massively increasing the minimum wage that an asylum that somebody
coming over to work had to be guaranteed by their
employer if they were going to be able to come
into the UK and work here. And that big hike
simply put lots of people off offering those jobs out
and meant it became very very specialist, and that put

(01:33:33):
a lot of people off, and that's what is behind
the drop. But it's not all good news either for
this government because I'm afraid. It's also been announced at
the time of a huge increase in the amount of
people are seeking asylum, up to a high of one
hundred and ten thousand, and the numbers in hotels that

(01:33:54):
we've talked about before, that's increased by two percent. And
here's one statistic for you, Heather. All these people claiming
aside of one hundred and ten thousand, no wonder they're
coming across because in the last year almost half were
granted asylum at the initial decision and that is a
staggering thing to suggest that modern half have a good case.

(01:34:14):
So I think that's the one of the big draws
that they're talking about for people to come to the UK.

Speaker 2 (01:34:19):
I think it might be on to something Kevin has
always appreciated. Gavin Gray, UK Correspondent. Okay, here we go.
What about this for the gravy trainer. Can you know
there was that plan We've been talking about this since
probably about two thousand and eight to simplify public transport
all over New Zealand, so that you have one card
and then you can jump on public transport anywhere and
it will basically pay for your public transport. So jump
on a train in Wellington, you use the card, jump

(01:34:40):
on a bus in Auckland you use the card, jump
on a theory into need and you use the card.
You don't have to have different cards fit like Oyster
cards and Hopper cards and snap cards whatever they call it.
I don't even know anyway. So that thing that we
started talking about in two thousand and eight we were
supposed to have I think next year, and I think
it's been pushed back. But regardless, whatever the story, we
don't have it right. It's well overdue. Now we find

(01:35:03):
out what NZTA is paying people. And the whole thing,
by the way, has cost let me just get you
that number. Yeah, two hundred and one million dollars so far.
So that's a lot of money. The reason it's costing
so much money is because they've got people working on
this project charging as much as five hundred and thirty
five dollars an hour. Five hundred and thirty five dollars
an hour, that is what one of the consultants is charging.

(01:35:24):
This consultant has been doing it for three years.

Speaker 7 (01:35:27):
Now.

Speaker 2 (01:35:27):
You work that out, right, If you did that forty
hours a week, you'd be earning twenty one thousand dollars
a week. Pretty good money. You do that forty eight
weeks a year, you're earning a million dollars a year. Now,
I'm very happy to tell you this consultant's only doing
part time, so maybe only five hundred thousand dollars a year,
but anyway, it's a lot of money. Eight away from

(01:35:48):
seven it's the.

Speaker 1 (01:35:50):
Heather two for c Allen Drive Full Show podcast on
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Speaker 2 (01:35:56):
It's five away from seven news. Just out from the
US is that Trump says he's going to permanently pause
migration from third world countries after the shooting of the
National Guard because of course some person who came with
an Afghan national Now, there was a piece in the
Herald today about Auckland sightseeing bus. I see this thing
around the place and I often look at it and think,
I wonder what you get when you jump on the

(01:36:19):
sight seeing bus. Well I don't have to wonder about
it anymore because KEM Knight from the Herald has jumped
on the sight seeing bus and done a gigantic peace
on it. And I think the most interesting thing, but
this is exactly what you would expect, right, the sight
seeing bus picks you up on Hobson Street in Auckland
outside of strip club outside Hush hush. It's a nice
strip club, but it's a strip club nonetheless. Then you

(01:36:40):
go and you visit a bunch of places where construction
is happening. You go to the museum, constructions happening. You
go to the zoo, construction has happening. You go to
basti Endpoint, construction is happening, and then the entire city
because the city rail link is underway, construction's happening. And
then you go to New Market. You go so basically
you go to strip club, then you go to New Market,
then you go to Bastian Point, then you go to

(01:37:01):
Mount Eden. You climbate, then you go to Mount Eden
Prison and then you're on the motorway. So that's exciting,
isn't that eighty dollars for two days? Ants?

Speaker 11 (01:37:11):
I don't know if the prison is exactly what I
would like point to like the fifty things you must. Absolutely,
I suppose it's historic, isn't it?

Speaker 2 (01:37:18):
But yeah, but what else would you go and look at?
It's Auckland.

Speaker 11 (01:37:20):
Yeah, well, Mount I think last Gian Point has the
nice like mausoleum of Michael Joseph Savage and stuff there,
you know, like yeah, I'd send them there before prison.
Music is better by Rufus Dussoul to play us out tonight,
the Aussie synthpop group playing in the first New Zealand
show in quite a while tomorrow. They're playing at Western
Springs Stadium in Auckland.

Speaker 2 (01:37:40):
They're doing a piece right now on One News with
Simon Dello, like a like a historical stuff thing. I
didn't realize he had a hideous goh toy for a while,
a like that.

Speaker 11 (01:37:51):
Was, yeah, I don't remember gohoi here that I thought.

Speaker 2 (01:37:53):
I thought TV's it was like the Navy or the
army where they had control over your facial hair. But
evidently not.

Speaker 11 (01:37:57):
I'm loving all the old Olympics coverage logos, TV two
logos and stuff I'm seeing pop up as well.

Speaker 2 (01:38:02):
Yeah, oh well there is that's individual Simon. Yet well done, Simon.
Also on shaving your face, that's an imp that's that
is an improvement. See you on Monday news Talks dB.

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