Full Show Podcast: 05 December 2025

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Speaker 1 (00:02):
Pressing the newsmakers to get the real story.

Speaker 2 (00:04):
It's Heather duper Cy Ellen drive with one New Zealand
to coverage like no one else news talks.

Speaker 1 (00:10):
They'd be.

Speaker 3 (00:15):
Afternoon, Welcome to the show coming up today. Kmart has
now canceled that sand recall. So the question, of course
was there no best as best oss in it? After all,
we're going to talk to MB about that in New
Zealand on whether the strike before Christmas will happen. And
Paul Bloxham, who once called us the rock star economy,
on whether we can be a rock star economy ever.

Speaker 1 (00:32):
Again Heather duper Cy Ellen.

Speaker 3 (00:34):
So the OFTIM Book Awards have done a U turn
on their AI book covers drama. Now, if you haven't
followed this, it has honestly been the most stupid thing.
Two books were disqualified from being considered for the Ockhams.
The ocoms are by the way, the most prestigious book
awards in New Zealand, right and two of the books
were disqualified because their covers were made by AI. The
writing wasn't done by AI, the covers were made by AI,

(00:57):
and for that reason they're out the Ochoms of reverse
that decision then we are allowed back in this year. Now,
I cannot tell you whether the ocams plan to persist
with this rule, but I can suggest that they drop
it because it is a dumb rule. I mean, I
understand if the OCAMS take a stand on disqualifying AI
generated writing, because that is the thing that we're interested in, right,
We're interested in the best books written by humans. But

(01:20):
I do not understand the ban on AI generated covers
other than maybe the Okham's standing in solidarity with all
creatives and resisting AI. And that includes cover artists as
well as as authors. It's all creatives. But I don't
want that in the Okhams because I want the okams
to tell me which books are the best books to
read this year? When I go down to the Women's
bookstore and Ponsonby, I want to be able to say

(01:42):
I saw this one one one of the OCAMS awards.
Can I please have that? I want them to tell
me which are the best books to read this year,
not which are the best books that don't have AI
generated covers to read this year? I do not care
about the AI covers. And this feels just a little bit,
doesn't it like another case of us being weird about
AI because it's a I mean, this is a little

(02:04):
bit like that weird story that was one on one
News a couple of nights ago about whether or not
a labor MP was using chat gpt to write questions.
Who cares you should be using chat gpt for your admin.
Whether or not AI generates the book cover has no
bearing at all on whether the writing is good. That
is the only thing that I and many other buyers
of books actually care about. And do you remember the

(02:25):
saying never judge a book by its AI generated cover.

Speaker 1 (02:29):
Hither duplessy Ellen.

Speaker 3 (02:33):
Ninety two. Ninety two is the text number standard text
fees apply. And actually the opcoms are going to be
with us after five, so we can ask them whether
this rule is going to be dumped or not. Hey,
now listen, We're here to celebrate outstanding achievement by other
kiwis and here's one for you. Sky TV Sophie Maloney
has been named Chief Executive of the Year at the
Deloitque Top two hundred Awards last night. This year, Sky
has secured a multimillion dollar Rugby Write steal and acquired

(02:56):
TV three for a dollar and this week actually Sophie
has been at the helm of the me Giant for
five years. Let's talk to her high Sophie to hear that.
How are you doing very well? Thank you? I mean, listen,
do you feel like you've knocked it out of the
park this year like you clearly have?

Speaker 4 (03:11):
Oh, look I am you know we don't put in
all the money for accolades, but yeah, I was pretty stoked,
I must say, to get the awards last night, because
there has been a huge amount of hard work really
over the last five years. And so yeah, really really
excited about the year that we've had.

Speaker 5 (03:28):
But it's been built on a lot of hard work.

Speaker 3 (03:31):
I text you earlier to say congrats, and you text
me back to say something something about the fact that
it's quite an achievement when you are in charge of them,
you know, a company in the media sector. I mean
that is true, isn't it.

Speaker 4 (03:44):
Yeah, Look, we've been I mean of all, lots of
sectors have been through tough times, but I think with
media it's constantly changing and evolving and so and you know,
the revenues haven't been where they were, and so yeah,
it has certainly been a challenging.

Speaker 3 (03:59):
You'll completely talking this down. The media is in a
is an existential fight at the moment.

Speaker 4 (04:04):
Yeah, we certainly, We certainly are, and we're we're here
for it. So I think that's the message I was saying,
is that it was nice for a media company to
be celebrated with the end of Town.

Speaker 3 (04:14):
Totally and on a personal level. I mean, you know,
you were up against Miles Miles Hurel, who has just
you know, completed what is probably one of the biggest
deals in New Zealand history. So you must be feeling
pretty toughed about that too, Yeah, very much.

Speaker 6 (04:28):
So.

Speaker 5 (04:28):
I mean we have we've delivered.

Speaker 4 (04:30):
It's obviously not quite the same returns, but we've delivered
significant returns for our shareholders, and the dividend profile of
our company due to all the hard work, is looking great.
So we set out some targets in twenty three that
everyone thought, there's no way they're going to double the dividend,
and we're going to deliver on that this year. So
I do think that when you put out you put
out some targets and you're delivering against them, you do

(04:51):
get get the rewards.

Speaker 3 (04:53):
What do you think it is that you do well?

Speaker 4 (04:58):
I think in terms of me as a leader. Sky
is a company, no you? I think that every day
I am I am just who I am. I'm here
to try and enable others to be their best selves,
and I'm I continue to learn all the time about
how to how to do things better. But I also

(05:20):
like to have a bit of fun and to see
seed moments of opportunity for a bit of joy every
day because you know, what we get to do is
deliver these amazing moments, right, So yeah, I love what
we get to do, and I try and make sure
that for those around me it is the best environment
for them to try.

Speaker 3 (05:37):
Do you believe I was thinking about this today and
I was wondering if actually the success to having a
good company really does come down to the people that
you put in it, like you need good outstanding people.
Do you believe that?

Speaker 5 (05:49):
Absolutely?

Speaker 4 (05:50):
It's all about and it's it's not just about people
who are who are smart or who have great technical expertise.
The most important ingredient has being a great team player.

Speaker 3 (06:03):
Can everybody be that?

Speaker 6 (06:04):
Though?

Speaker 4 (06:06):
Look, generally you give the right environment in space, but
if people end up not being great team players, then yeah,
it's a different it's a different dynamic and I'm a
huge believer in the power of the team, and you
know that's why this getting this award was a little
bit like it's a team game.

Speaker 5 (06:24):
But I am thrilled to celebrate the Skuy's story.

Speaker 3 (06:26):
Yeah, fair enough. Now, listen the rumors going around at
the moment that you guys are going to put a
Herald Now on TV three. Is that happening.

Speaker 4 (06:34):
I think it's a great idea and I think Herald
Now is going very well.

Speaker 5 (06:37):
I think the team.

Speaker 4 (06:39):
Still having a chat about what it could look like,
but I'm super supportive of it happening.

Speaker 3 (06:44):
And the news at six. What's going to change there?

Speaker 4 (06:48):
For the time being, it's nothing's changing the team with
stuff who delivered that news for us, a continuing pursuit
to that contract, but no doubt with an election year coming,
we're going to have a good look at look at
that and look at it. What else we might be
able to do to support and form debate in this country.

Speaker 3 (07:05):
Fabulous?

Speaker 7 (07:06):
Love it?

Speaker 8 (07:06):
Now?

Speaker 3 (07:07):
Are you taking a Christmas break?

Speaker 4 (07:10):
I am?

Speaker 5 (07:11):
We actually do you like cricket, Heather?

Speaker 3 (07:14):
Yeah, of course.

Speaker 4 (07:15):
Yeah, So my family and I are heading over to
the Ashes and Adelaide we're going to the Oval, the
Adelaide Oval Test, which is on the seventh.

Speaker 3 (07:27):
Please tell me that you're going for the start, not
there like a day one and day two.

Speaker 4 (07:32):
I'm definitely We're definitely going to be there from the beginning,
but you know, you never know. This could be the
test that goes at least three days, yeah, if not four.

Speaker 9 (07:41):
I love it.

Speaker 4 (07:41):
It's amazing, amazing content. So I'm looking forward to that.
Spending a bit of time with family as well, which
would be really nice, celebrating Christmas with my mum and
my sister and their family. So, and I did have
one recommendation for you.

Speaker 3 (07:53):
Oh lord, okay, here we go.

Speaker 4 (07:55):
Go on then, okay, neon the season two.

Speaker 3 (07:59):
Stressful, Sophie. It's so stressful, don't you think like I
find at the end of it, I haven't relaxed because
I'm living it with them.

Speaker 4 (08:06):
Well, I know that it's still just such amazing acting
and people doing good things.

Speaker 5 (08:10):
Either, Okay, I've watched a good way.

Speaker 3 (08:12):
I've watched it yet yet.

Speaker 4 (08:14):
Yeah, for your family, because you will have sky go,
I'm assuming as you might be on the go with
our new Kids channel, Poor Patrol and Wiggles, The Sounds
of Christmas.

Speaker 5 (08:28):
I think you're going to absolutely love it.

Speaker 3 (08:31):
You've seen my viewing history. All right, Sophie, it's the
last time we're going to talk before the end of
the year, i'd imagine. So Merry Christmas to you and
your family and enjoy the cricket.

Speaker 5 (08:39):
Do you? Thanks? Heather? Take care?

Speaker 3 (08:41):
Yeah, thank you very much. Merry Christmas, Sophie Maloney, Sky
TV CEO. Hither I support banning AI for creative industries?
Will you be so blase when it is your job
being phased out with AI? Let me tell you something, mate,
If my job is being phased out with AI, there
is nothing I can do to stop it. So I'm
simply going to take it, aren't you?

Speaker 10 (08:58):
Like?

Speaker 3 (08:58):
Try and fight that thing? Going to lose. Sixteen past four.

Speaker 1 (09:03):
It's the Heather.

Speaker 2 (09:04):
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Speaker 3 (09:10):
The Pentagon has blown up another drug boat in the Pacific,
so we'll have a chat to Jonathan Kurzley about that.
Whin he's with us out of the US shortly. It's
nineteen past four.

Speaker 2 (09:18):
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Speaker 3 (09:22):
Bit Response with ks right now we have Jason Pine
Weekend sport host High Piney. So we've got the FIFA
World Cup draw tomorrow, do we yes?

Speaker 10 (09:28):
We do, yes. Forty eight team is going to be
drawn out of four pots of twelve. We're in the
fourth pot, so we'll get one team from each of
the other three. It's all done in rankings. We're obviously
one of the lower ranked teams, so we'll get a
very good team, a pretty good team, and another team
and then us.

Speaker 3 (09:46):
Are you serious? Are we that stink that we come
after another team?

Speaker 6 (09:49):
No?

Speaker 10 (09:49):
I mean we are in the we are in the
I think of the forty eight, we're the lowest ranked
team at the tournament. But the FIFA rankings are a
little bit variable. You know, it doesn't mean most interesting
for me is who out of the third part? It's
a team that will be higher.

Speaker 3 (10:02):
Ranked than us. But we might say, you know what,
we're going to chance against them? So that's the one
I'm looking So that's the one we could take down exactly,
then we get taken down.

Speaker 1 (10:08):
By the other.

Speaker 10 (10:09):
Well, and but you want a glamour, you want to
play Argentina or England, you know, imagine the imagine the
how call it would be as an occasion for the
all whites of plagu ins Leonel Messi or against England.

Speaker 9 (10:19):
Will all the Premier League stares be great?

Speaker 3 (10:20):
Yeah, that's that's true. I suppose right final if one
race of the season.

Speaker 10 (10:25):
Yep, this is in Abu dub over the weekend. The
race itself is Monday morning. Now here's the equation for
Lando Norris to become champion. He just has to get
on the podium. He just has to finish in the
top three, regardless of what Max for Stappen does. If
he can't get on the podium, then it's all to
do with where Max for Stappin can finish and where
Norris is in relation to him. Oscar Pastre an outside chance.

(10:48):
So really all Lando Norris has to do is just
finish in the top three. Max for Stappen all he
can do is win the race and hope that something
happens behind him and the pressure builds on Norris, who's
never been a Formula one world champion. You know that
she get to them. We'll finishing in the top three.
B something where you just take it a bit easy.
I don't want it and I'm not going to try
and win the race. I'll just try and finish, to.

Speaker 3 (11:06):
Take him out so he can't finish.

Speaker 11 (11:07):
Well.

Speaker 10 (11:08):
See that's the interesting thing. What Yuki Sonoda right leaving
red Ball. What a way to go out? Just drive
and to Lando Norris. Imagine it. I don't think he will.

Speaker 6 (11:17):
I imagine it.

Speaker 3 (11:18):
Hey, hang on, we've got some breaking news.

Speaker 1 (11:22):
This is news Talk SAB breaking news.

Speaker 3 (11:25):
The High Court decision of the Maori Party has just
come in. It has ordered that the expelled MP Muddy
a mental cup of king E, can be reinstated. It's
a Maori Party MP. She was expelled last month after
John Thammerheady accuser of breaching the party's constitution. Now I
cannot tell you how unusual this is, because in most
cases they go, what can you do? You're out of
the party. You're out of the party. This time she's

(11:46):
going back into the party. Barry Soper, we'll have to
explain all of this to us when he's with us.
Just before five o'clock, Piney still got you here, so
can you please explain this? But still, what the hell
is wrong with you? Why were you listening to? Why
is this in your Spotify rap? It's high up too?

Speaker 9 (12:09):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (12:09):
Is it number one? Nice?

Speaker 10 (12:10):
Number three?

Speaker 3 (12:11):
What happened? I?

Speaker 9 (12:12):
No, no, three doors down?

Speaker 10 (12:13):
They've only got one song over there and here they are. Honestly,
this must been my go to song.

Speaker 3 (12:18):
It's on my comfort food, It's on a cheesecake. Can
you just explain to me in what situation are you?

Speaker 12 (12:23):
Like?

Speaker 3 (12:23):
You know what I'm gonna put on right now? What
is that situation?

Speaker 6 (12:28):
Well?

Speaker 10 (12:28):
Most days models sad pony, I know, Okay, it does.
I don't know what it says about me? Probably not much.

Speaker 3 (12:36):
Yeah, but then again, did you hear Erica stands for
This Morning telling Hosking that her top two artists are
the Goo Goo Dolls in Green Day?

Speaker 1 (12:44):
Yeah?

Speaker 10 (12:44):
That's some very nineties grand isn't it. Do you think
Christopher Watson's age was twenty seven on his Spotify.

Speaker 3 (12:50):
I'm still trying to explain how that man listens to
one hundred minutes a day though, Think about how long
that is? Piney, do you want one hundred minutes a day?

Speaker 6 (12:56):
Free?

Speaker 7 (12:56):
No?

Speaker 12 (12:56):
Why?

Speaker 3 (12:57):
No? Me neither? Okay, thank you? Piney? Off you go
meant to live down your shame for twenty three?

Speaker 1 (13:03):
Start your day entity. It's the mic asking breakfast.

Speaker 13 (13:07):
So given it's the time of the year, Lis, welcome
back out of the Prime Minister for one last time
for the first of season. Christopher Luxanthon on the News,
I saw you saying I've got a gift swap, and
I though.

Speaker 6 (13:15):
I'm actually really confident in my exchange. Now listen to this.
This is why we've given you paper.

Speaker 7 (13:20):
We sat down and we had on our left.

Speaker 13 (13:22):
Stop eating dinner on your knee. It's not healthy. So
this is unique. It's a one off unwap that Oh
look at this.

Speaker 7 (13:29):
It was looking good until I took this out.

Speaker 6 (13:32):
Okay, listener, So what we've got is meal trace.

Speaker 7 (13:35):
But then Amanda and I are now going to have
the great pleasure of.

Speaker 14 (13:37):
Looking at the wonderful face of Mike Hosking on top
of our now good by.

Speaker 2 (13:41):
Back Monday from six am, the mic casking Breakfast with
the Defender and US Talks Dead B.

Speaker 1 (13:47):
Digging deeper into the d's headlines.

Speaker 2 (13:50):
It's Heather Duplicy Ellen Drive with one New Zealand coverage
like no one else.

Speaker 1 (13:55):
Youth Talks Dead B.

Speaker 3 (13:57):
Hither the Maori Party is the pooh that just won't flush.
Ye can't disagree with that? Hey, it turned out I
was telling you yesterday that the Ika thing turned into
a bit of a physit. It didn't at all. It
turned out to be like, we're just logical people. There's
nothing you can I mean, you cannot deny this about
New Zealanders. You tell us that it's going to be
an absolute cluster at the start of the day. We

(14:20):
just work around that. Eighteen thousand people went to Ikea
on the opening day. That is exactly the numbers that
they were expecting. And the most popular item that was
bought was the same thing that the Prime Minister bought,
the Ikea Fractor blue bag. They sold four thousand, two
hundred of those, could not get enough of the hot
dogs two thousand, five hundred of those sold, and they
were close to fifty thousand individual meat balls eaten by

(14:43):
Kiwis yesterday. I don't know what that says about us.
We just love the food, don't we Listen? Do you remember?
I mean, like, even the fact that I have to
start this with do you remember says something about our
attitude towards us. Guy, do you remember the fastest runner
that we have in this country? Idio saying kits here
who holds the New Zealand record for the one hundred

(15:03):
meters and we didn't want to send him to the Olympics.
He's just just affected to Australia. He's gonna run for
Australia now, probably because we didn't want to send him
to the Olympics. So you can't blame him for that,
but it does feel like something of a loss for
US Sports. Tuddle is with us later in the program.
That means.

Speaker 2 (15:21):
Little your first take on the news. It's early Ediship
with Ryan Bridge.

Speaker 6 (15:29):
The Paris Agreement.

Speaker 3 (15:30):
The promises we made are they basically am the lou
government rejected every single recommendation by the Climate Commission.

Speaker 6 (15:36):
Simon, what's climate change? Minister? Is Paris overh We just
be honest.

Speaker 15 (15:39):
About this now it's not Ryan, we're part of the
Paris Agreement, so.

Speaker 6 (15:42):
We're not going to have them. Let's be real. You're
even your own scientists they're saying, just be honest.

Speaker 15 (15:46):
About it, but the reality is a challenging time.

Speaker 2 (15:48):
Ryan Bridge on early edition with r The Supercenter weekdays
from faving M on News Talks at b the day's
newspakers talk to Heather First, Heather duplusy Ellen Drive with
one New Zealand and the power of satellite mobile news
Doorg said, be.

Speaker 3 (16:16):
All right, Keim, and is Sim've got Barry Sopa with us,
who's going to hopefully be able to explain what on
earth has just gone down with the Maori Party in
the High Court And how on earth do you put
Mariya men or Cup of Kingi back in the Maori
Party when they don't want to listen. If you have
had the colored sand with Kmart, I've got a twist
on this story for you. Kmart has just unrecalled some

(16:36):
of the things that they recalled. So the blue, the green,
and the pink magic sand now apparently doesn't have asbestos
in it. The make your own sand unicorn kit in
the sand castle building set do remain under recall. So
quite what this means for everybody who's freaked out about it,
I don't know. We were speaking today to one of
the early childhood centers. One of the producers, Sam spoke
to an ec center that has apparently spent three hundred

(17:00):
dollars in trying to decontaminate because of asbestos that may
or may not actually have been that will it seems
probably not anyway, we'll talk to MV about that after
five o'clock. Right now, it's twenty three away from five.

Speaker 1 (17:11):
It's the world wires on youth talks edby Drive.

Speaker 3 (17:15):
The US military chief has testified to lawmakers about the
controversial double strike on the suspected drug boat. Here's how
Democrats reacted to the footage they were shown.

Speaker 13 (17:23):
You have two individuals in clear distress with a destroyed
vessel who were killed by the United States.

Speaker 3 (17:32):
Here's the Republican response.

Speaker 16 (17:34):
I saw two survivors trying to flip a vote loaded
with drugs down for the United States back over so
they could stay in the fight.

Speaker 3 (17:44):
The US military has blown up, of course, another boat overnight.
Jonathan will talk us through it shortly over. In Australia,
South Australian Opposition leader Vince Tarzi has resigned. He's the
second South Australia Liberal Party leader to step down in
the last twelve months.

Speaker 17 (17:57):
I've got a young family at home I've been electric
to take care of and I will get out of
the way and I will help the next leader of
the party take us to hope forward, hopefully what is
a successful state election?

Speaker 3 (18:06):
Camera and finally, Missouri lawmakers are depending on a nineties
children's sports movie, to justify jerrymandering ahead of the midterm elections.
They're leaning on the air Bud rule. This is to
justify their decision to redraw the electoral boundaries outside of
a census. Here in the movie air but a dog
is allowed to play on a school basketball team because
there's no explicit rule saying the team can't include a dog?

Speaker 11 (18:29):
Is right?

Speaker 12 (18:30):
Hey, no rules to the dark fat play basketball.

Speaker 3 (18:33):
Well, there's no law that says Missouri lawmakers can redraw
the boundaries whenever they want. Republicans say there's no specific
law against the.

Speaker 2 (18:39):
Cyber International Correspondence with Ends and Eye Insurance, Peace of
Mind for New Zealand Business.

Speaker 3 (18:46):
Jonathan Cursley, US Correspondence. But that's allo, Jonathan, Hello.

Speaker 11 (18:50):
Heather, Happy Friday to all of your listeners. As we
edge another day closer to the festive period.

Speaker 3 (18:56):
Of cannot come soon enough, Jonathan, it's pretty all of
the pins are gone to go and blow up another
boat while they're still in trouble over the last boat,
doesn't it.

Speaker 6 (19:05):
Yeah?

Speaker 11 (19:05):
I mean so, some would argue they're carrying on with
mission objective, and that is to try and stop drug
trafficking into the United States of America, the Pentagon announcing
earlier today, yes another boat has been struck, and yes
four more people have been killed. But still the questions
remain over what happened on this September two strike, the
first when there were survivors reportedly seen clinging to the vessel,

(19:27):
and then the second strike order that killed them. We
saw Admiral Frank Brady. Bradley was up at Capitol Hill today.
He was giving closed door briefings to members of Congress,
senior members of Congress about what took place, and so
some of the feedback from that is there was a
Democratic Congressman who said he'd never seen anything like it.
So there are still plenty of questions over exactly who

(19:48):
ordered what on that day. We've heard the Defense Secretary's
defense in this case that he wasn't there for the
second strike, but he stands by the Pentagon. But there
are still plenty of questions swirling and plenty of demands
for our Yet the Pentagon, the Department of War as
it is now called here, is carrying on with the
mission as it sees fit, and that is that it

(20:08):
wants to stop these Venezuelan boats from getting towards the
United States of America.

Speaker 3 (20:13):
Now, how is it that four years on from the
pipe bombing, they've arrested somebody who they think is related
to it.

Speaker 11 (20:19):
Yeah, this really is quite extraordinary. This has been a
manhunt that's gone almost five years to the day. It
was January five, twenty twenty one, when a suspect dressed
in a hoodie and wearing some Nike Airmax sneakers, as
it always later revealed, planted pipe bombs outside the headquarters
of the Republican Democratic Parties in Washington, d C. On
the eve of the January sixth insurrection at the Capitol.

(20:39):
You're fast forward all of these years, and despite the
reward of five hundred thousand US dollars that have been
put forward and repeated please for help to try and
track down of this person, there's been nothing come forward.
And that was until today when we saw the FBI
and the Attorney General Panbody stand alongside each other and
announced that yes, they had arrested their suspect. They had
arrested thirty year old man who lived in Virginia with

(21:01):
his parents, and they have charged him with crimes that
carrier maximum combined of thirty years in prison. He will
front of court tomorrow. He worked at a bail bond company.
A little more detail has been released. There is not
a clear idea yet on his motive, despite the fact
that it was political targets that were very much in
his frame, nor was there much detail on how they

(21:23):
actually got to the information leading to this arrest. Today
they simply said there was no new tips, there was
no new information that came forward. It was just good,
diligent police work.

Speaker 1 (21:32):
And prosecutorial work.

Speaker 11 (21:34):
So hopefully the court here tomorrow gleans a little bit
more answers as to how the FBI managed to get
one of America's most.

Speaker 3 (21:42):
Wanted brilliant Thanks for running us through a Jonathan, look
after yourself and enjoy the fist of season, Jonathan Kursley,
our US correspondence nineteen away from five. Okay, So Sunny
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Barry talked about this yesterday. Sonny kochelinnes Morning Tea, which
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(22:04):
hundred dollars three thousand and two hundred Morning Tea the
Justice Minister. Paul Goldsmith's now being asked about it, and look, he,
like most of us, thinks that's a little bit pricey.

Speaker 1 (22:13):
They clearly overcated and that was pretty bad.

Speaker 3 (22:17):
Yeah, it was pretty bad, but not bad enough to
do anything about it.

Speaker 16 (22:19):
They overcated, there's no question about it.

Speaker 13 (22:22):
And I mean, if you're suggesting that I should sack
him over that, well, I think that's probably a bit
of an overreaction.

Speaker 6 (22:27):
I think they probably had too many SCons.

Speaker 3 (22:30):
No, but what I would do if I was Goldie
is go listen, mate, this is now the second time
that I'm having to deal with the money that you're
spending on yourself, Sonny and on your KI, and if
you could just maybe, like you know, spend a bit less,
that would be really handy. That would be I think
that's a conversation Paul needs to have. Can I say,
though I saw Goldie last night, I was at a

(22:51):
That's why I was in Wellington. I was out a thing, right,
it was black tie, so I looked great, thank you.
Nobody commented on but I thought I thought that looked great.
But you have to if you're stepping out the door
for something like you have to think you look great.
They were gold. He thought he looked great. He did,
and he did he objectively looked fantastic because what he
did is, I mean, this is a classy man. I
don't know if you realized. He had on his black tie, right,

(23:15):
so he had the dinner jacket, he had the dinner ship.
But then what he did was he did he took
the bow tie off, so he was open necking it,
which is a little bit like, hmm, a bit risque,
you know, showing a little bit of a little bit
of you clavicle when you're supposed to be wearing the
old bow tie. But then he decided to even root
it up a bit more. And what he had was
a white scarf. I think it was all like it
was like a linen scarf, and he wrapped the linen

(23:36):
scuff sort of. He draped it over his neck and
then he tucked it in into his jacket to follow
the lines of his jacket. And he just looked. He
just looked so good. And I said to him, you
look good, and you know what, he knew he looked
good because he was flouncing around the room. He was honest,
he was like, it was like one of the you
know when you see a baby goat and you're like,

(23:57):
look at that baby goat so happy, just sort of
like flounce around. He was flouncing around the room because
Goldie knew that he was looking very good last night.
And actually, can I say Nikola Willis was there. I mean,
it's probably Chatham House rules and I shouldn't be talking
about this, but you know, when people look awesome, you
should talk about it. Nikola Willis is looking awesome. Have
you noticed it? That girl has dropped a lot of weight.

(24:17):
She's got some defined cheek bones going on. She was
looking sharp. Her husband was looking She's a room full
of beautiful people last night, actually many of them. Well,
the two i've named ministers. Sixteen away from five.

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Speaker 3 (24:34):
All right, our thirteen away from five. Barry Soper, Senior
Political Correspondent is with us now High Barry afternoon. This
is pretty unusual, isn't it? The High Court ordering an
MP back into the pasty well.

Speaker 9 (24:44):
Highly unusual. I can never remember it happening. I remember
Whinston Peter's had a fight with the National Party in
the early nine ordered back in no, he wasn't ordered back,
and I think it's probably unprecedented, but I know you're
going to have a legally expert on talking about that,
because I certainly in my time it hasn't happened. And this,
you know, this was a case significantly, I think against

(25:07):
John Tamahetty as the president of the party. I mean
he was the third respondent in this along with the
Council of the Maldi party and essentially the judge came
out saying that she has to be reinstated. They've also
applied for restraining orders until a hearing will be held

(25:30):
next year. That's a restraining order against John Tamahery acting
in his role as president of the party, restraining the
Council and executive including Tamerherry, from passing any resolution at
the AGM, which is I think this weekend.

Speaker 3 (25:47):
So oh, that'll be Wacker jumping, won't it.

Speaker 9 (25:49):
Yeah, But yes, exactly, And you can imagine what it's
going to be like now for Maremento Kapakinghi in the
caucus because she will now be reinstated to the caucus.
I'm not sure what will happen to Takuta Ferers. It
may be that the leadership of the party will look

(26:10):
at him and say, well, has he offended any worse
than their view than Kappa King and restore him as well.
I mean, it's an absolute unmitigated mess in the Maori Party,
and certainly from a party that doesn't deserve any part
of government in just a year's time.

Speaker 3 (26:26):
So the restraint of mister Tamahadi from acting as the
part the Maori president is that acting in any capacity
as the president or just pertaining to her.

Speaker 9 (26:35):
I'm not sure. The finding is a very large one.
I've sort of speed read it and I couldn't quite
find out whether that was in fact going to be
the case.

Speaker 3 (26:46):
Okay, we'll have a bit of a reader, but we're
going to talk to Graham Edler about it after five o'clock. Lord,
have you come in with a bit of TDS again?

Speaker 9 (26:56):
Well, have you no Trump derangement syndrome?

Speaker 1 (27:00):
No?

Speaker 9 (27:00):
I just think that you know, we all we it's
easy to put labels on people, and I know that
you've often accused me of suffering from Trump arrangement syndrome. Well,
I've got to say that I'm in pretty good company.
You have a listen to Prince Harry on the show
fronted by Jasinda Durn's mate Stephen Colbert.

Speaker 17 (27:20):
But your Americans are obsessed with Christmas movies and you're
truly obsessed with royalty, so why not.

Speaker 18 (27:28):
Hold on?

Speaker 12 (27:28):
Hold on? Look, look, I wouldn't say we're obsessed with royalty.

Speaker 6 (27:33):
Really, I heard you.

Speaker 7 (27:38):
I heard you elected a king.

Speaker 15 (27:43):
Point.

Speaker 9 (27:44):
No, he's he's got a point, good, good point.

Speaker 3 (27:48):
But you do Berry. That's so scripted, right, No, no, well, no,
Harry is reading his line.

Speaker 9 (27:54):
No he wasn't. If you saw I watched him on
the show, he wasn't reading lines here that.

Speaker 3 (28:00):
See the Germans shaking her head at you.

Speaker 9 (28:02):
She's that whatever, Boomer, Go tell the German to go
and have a lock and listen to the language being
spoken and watch the mannerisms of the people in the studio.

Speaker 6 (28:11):
It was not Darry.

Speaker 3 (28:12):
Whatever brings you joy, That doesn't bring me.

Speaker 9 (28:15):
Any joy at all. Because look the esteemed President Trump,
the work he's doing on ending the war in the Ukraine.
There's a leak telephone call. I don't know whether you've
seen that either. That was among European leaders, and Alexander Stubb,
the President of Finland, warned that Europe shouldn't leave Ukraine

(28:36):
and Vladimir alone with these guys. And that's referring to
Steve Whitkoff and Jared Kushner, Trump's son in law, and
the leak, the highly sensitive telephone call, the lavish praise
on Trump in the past, these leaders, but now they
seem to be heaping on him or ganging up on him.

(28:58):
So he's not as popular as some people might like
to make out. And even the man that called him Daddy,
the NATO Secretary General, he's expressed agreement with Stubb when
the latter suggested the US negotiating team couldn't be trusted. So,
you know, just putting it into perspective here, that's all

(29:20):
stops mining. I think President Trump is a wonderful man.

Speaker 3 (29:24):
I said, Barry, whatever makes you happy? Now, Barry, you
have you reflected on the fact that if we had
made the right call ten years ago, we would have
a new flag. Well sixteen years into our new flag,
we wouldn't.

Speaker 9 (29:34):
Even be talking about it were ten years on. Of course,
it was John Keyes's passion when he was Prime Minister
to get the Union jack off our flag. And I
think it's a word. It was a worthy fight and
it wasn't overwhelmingly opposed to fifty six percent in the
referendum voted. There was more than one point two million

(29:55):
people voted in the referendum, and so it was a
pretty close run thing. And I think you know, the
design that was Carl Lockwood's design, black and white with
a blue silver fern flag was chosen to go up
against our current Union jack flag and it missed out.
And the argument would be, and I think it's a

(30:17):
fairly good argument that we had four flags to choose
alternatives on against the one flag, and I think it
should have been one against one. And you may have
seen a different story.

Speaker 3 (30:28):
Yeah, perhaps so, Barry, thank you very much. We wrap
the political week that was with you later on just
after six Barri Sober, political senior political correspondent. It's seven
away from five hither. There were eighty people at that
morning tea event. That is thirty seven dollars fifty each.
That's not a drama. Well, look, you know what, actually
think about this, when was the last time you spent

(30:49):
close to forty dollars on your morning tea? Though? Like,
think about I mean that forty dollars for a breakfast
is a lot of money. Forty dollars for lunch is
a lot of money. Forty dollars for a dinner, it's
probably a little bit on the light side. Dollars for
a morning teas a lot. How many SCons are you eating?
And how many coffees are you having? If you have
two coffees, maybe we're talking ten dollars yere, then you
have a scone, I can bump you up to twenty. Right,
And there's a couple of strawberries thrown in there. Well,

(31:10):
I don't know what they're getting for thirty seven dollars
fifty it seems like a hell of a lot of money. Listen,
I've got a very very happy news for you. The
Faberget locket has been recovered from the man who swallowed it,
and I think you know what that means, and it's
worth pointing out it took a week, which you know,
in terms of like you know, fortitude, that is impressive
from him. Partridge is where it was nicked from. And

(31:33):
Partridge has said that the pendant is going to be
returned to Faberget, so you do not have to worry.
You are not ever going to end up in this
country buying a locket. That's been in someone's bum some
some other poor side and some other country is going
to walk into a shop and go, well, that's a
beautiful fat locket and then we none the wiser as

(31:54):
to what's gone on in New Zealand. Listen, just had
a very very quick read of this. This is the
the the judgment on the Marti party, and we're going
to talk about it next. It looks like the order
is basically put her back Maria menal Coupa King he's
back in the party, but there is no restraint on
the actions of John Tarmahead and there will be an
AGM on Sunday and she'll be able to attend the agm.

(32:16):
But as we said, so bizarre, so weird, so weird,
so different to previous judgments. So Graham Edgeler, who's all
over this kind of thing, we'll be able to talk
us through it when he's with us.

Speaker 2 (32:26):
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Speaker 3 (33:00):
Good afternoon, The High Court has ruled that Maori Party
MP Maria men Or Kapa Kingi, the one who was ousted,
must now be reinstated as a member of the Maori Party.
This means you'll be able to attend this weekend's AGM,
where big decisions are expected to be made. Graham Edgeler
is a constitutional law expert and with us now, hi Graham,
Hello Jesus. Is unusual, isn't it.

Speaker 16 (33:22):
A little?

Speaker 14 (33:23):
Certainly courts have been involved in political party disputes before,
and it's not unusual for courts to sort of, well,
you know, well we're adding a two or three months
while we sought this thing up. Let's preserve the party's positions.
And that's kind of what they've done here. Doesn't always happen,
but it's not unknown.

Speaker 3 (33:37):
Can you think of another occasion where where a court
has said an MP must be returned to the party.

Speaker 14 (33:44):
Not to quite this extent, we've certainly had courts say
that parties can't do certain things like take final steps
to expel someone or you know, to get someone kicked
out of parliament. Often they might side with the party
at the end. But you remember the Donna at Huata
thing that had an interim order in place, whereas okay,
don't do anything, but our don't do anything in our

(34:05):
while we argue about this in courtant that's sort of
the position we're here. Ultimately, if the party Marty wants
to get rid of this person from their party, they'll
probably be able to do it, and the courts will
probably let them, but it might insist on them going
through certain processes and making sure that fairness and accuracy
and some and certain things like that. And so in
the interim they're saying, let's leave things the way they work.

(34:25):
You're still a member of the party. You can go
to the meeting, and you know, we can have a
bigger argument, the fuller argument in February.

Speaker 3 (34:32):
And excuse okay, Now, the argument, as you say, is
set down for February and the court. So are they
able to if they really want to rekack her out
between now in February.

Speaker 14 (34:44):
Probably not, but they could certainly take the decision that
decisions that they might need to take so that when
we get to February things can happen very quickly. So
the court has said this person is a member of
your party, and there's a court order, and so they
try and take steps, but sort of the earlier steps,
not the finalize you've finally kicked out, but some of

(35:06):
the earlier processes, you know, including you the HUI this weekend.
You know, those can go along and have the discussions
that might need to be had, but the ultimate decision
who you know, this person stays a member, this person
might be kicked out, will probably not be able to
happen before February now or a judgment after February.

Speaker 3 (35:24):
Graham, I don't know how much you know about the
politics of the situation, So tell me if you don't.
But why does she want to be back in the party?
What is the what is the relevance of this? Is
this in order to be able to influence a decision
this weekend at the AGM about maybe kicking John talmahead out.

Speaker 7 (35:41):
I don't.

Speaker 14 (35:41):
That seems not to be the case. And so one
of the things that is part of the part of
the process in court was she sought for orders, you know,
four different orders stopping John Tummahea being being the prey president,
stopping her being kicked out under the under the Electoral
INTEGRITYCKE jumping law, and a couple of others to judge

(36:02):
only made one because in this particular case, Party Marti said,
we'll promise those two other ones and this this fourth
one doesn't need to happening. So Party Mary said, we're
not going to kick you out under the walker jumping.
And at this meeting that's coming up on Sunday, we're
only going to discuss the things that you that are in.

Speaker 7 (36:21):
The in the agenda.

Speaker 14 (36:22):
So here are the motions that are going to be
coming up this weekend. We promise you those are the
only ones, all right, and so you know you will
certainly be able to take part. And that my guess
would be that as part of the reason this this
has happened gives you know, sort of under the party's constitution,
you know, those sorts of things are supposed to happen.
Because this isn't just the MP, it's also her Electric
Committee who feel they've been sort of left out of
the process as well, and they have certain rights that

(36:44):
they need to protect. And so yes, yeah, I suspect
that the major reason.

Speaker 3 (36:49):
Here, Graham, thank you so much. Appreciate it, mate, Graham.
Age the Constitutional Law Expert eleven Past five Ever Twist
and the Kmart asbestos recall came out has now canceled
the recall of its place that head tasted positive for asbistos.
It only covers three products, the Blue Green, Pink Magic
Sand that make your own sand Unicorn kit and the
sand castle buildings that remain under a caall. Ian Kaplan

(37:11):
is the product safety spokesperson for nb He Ian Hi
he the hey you doing very well? Thank you. So
does this mean that the recall was a mistake.

Speaker 19 (37:19):
No, not at all. This is a recall in that
sense straight out of central casting. So what happens in
a recall, and just to be very clear, in the
products safety system, it is the supplier that does the
recall and it's a voluntary recall. So what happened here?
There've actually been eight separate recalls which have gone on

(37:41):
a nine if you count this kind of process way back,
it seems way back in early November came outter put
recalls out on a fourteen piece sand castle building set
and the blue Green and Pink Magic Sand. The reason
they put out a recall on the blue Green and
Pink Magic Sand was because tests done on the fourteen

(38:03):
piece set returns some positives. So out of the abundance
of caution and doing a responsible thing. They put recalls
out on all of those products. Now we understand from
Kmart that kmart has got test results back that suggests
that it's not necessary to proceed anymore with the recall

(38:23):
of those three particular colors of sense. So this is
a recall in that sense acting normally, my employers envy
if you like the mouthpiece of the recaller and put
that message out as they have done.

Speaker 3 (38:34):
Your employer doesn't do any independent testing. You simply take
came out at its word.

Speaker 19 (38:39):
We have been involved in the testing process, and we
have been concerned working together with a lot of other
agencies which have undergone testing, but so have a number
of other people and places. We don't have the testing
results from Kmar if you wanted the testing.

Speaker 3 (38:56):
Results be a question for what I'm trying to say,
I'm trying to get to is that as a result
of this recall notice, there are ece centers that have
spent one of them told us three hundred thousand dollars
decontaminating because they were worried that there was a beestos there.
So was the recall a mistake in that it is
because we're dealing with asbestos here that we have lift

(39:18):
people with these enormous bills and a complete freakout, and necessarily.

Speaker 19 (39:22):
I quite understand how people feel. I quite understand that
it's educational centers, it's schools, it's kindy's, it's also households.
There are a number of products that have been recalled
by a number of different suppliers, which are listed on
the Product Safety website. The recalls have always been put
out on a precautionary basis, based on risks and attitudes

(39:45):
to risk taken by the individual manufacturers I should say
suppliers concern So this is how a recall works. People
put recalls out and they change over time, once a
position and the view on risk changes. Testing is continuing
at the moment, and so our agency and other agencies

(40:08):
are obviously looking at what's going on to see just
how big and what size the problem is.

Speaker 3 (40:13):
But my agency, can I just finish.

Speaker 19 (40:17):
My agency is responsible for putting out the message to
make sure that New Zealanders are aware of what the
recal is ands.

Speaker 3 (40:26):
And I get that you are washing your hands of this,
but given that you.

Speaker 19 (40:29):
Guys, sorry, now, I don't think that's a characterization that's
a tool fair or washing the hands. It's it's it's
really I think that remark is actually needing correction because
it reflects a fundamental misunderstanding with the profoundest respect of
what the recall system in this country is. Suppliers recall
goods when there's a concern. Suppliers are not expected to

(40:51):
bring goods into the country that can cause harm to customers.
That is something that has happened here. That is why
these suppliers have issued recalls amongst the other ones. And
the position has changed. We are told we rely on
Kmart for saying that.

Speaker 3 (41:07):
I do stress.

Speaker 19 (41:08):
If you want to ask Kmart for more details, may
I suggest you go to them?

Speaker 3 (41:13):
Okay, Ian, thank you appreciate it. Ian Kaplan, MB product
safety spokesperson. Look, I think that I think obviously the recall,
if there is recours to be taken, it cannot be
taken against MB. It sounds like it needs to be
taken in against Kmart. Good luck with it. Sixteen past five. Listen,
you've got twenty six days left in this year, which
means that you have twenty six days left to buy
yourself a BYD and save yourself five thousand dollars on

(41:35):
that vehicle, because that's the deal right now. If you
buy any one of the BYD vehicles across the whole range,
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recommend that if you're looking for like a coupe style
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out the c Lion seven. This is what I'm driving
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I normally drive a European suv and unfortunately with the

(41:57):
kids car seats in it, my knees are up against
the dashboard at the front, which is not ideal. But
in the BYDC Lion seven, I haven't got this problem.
I've got leg room even with the car seats in there.
You've got good boot space. And I am still loving
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(42:18):
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But for now, if you want to get one, if
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(42:38):
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dot NZ. Heather do for Sea Allen twenty past five.
Now the Ockham says I was telling you at the
start of the program, has done a U turn on
the book drama. It's now going to allow the two
books with the AI generated covers to be considered for
the OCAM Book Awards. Nicola Legat is the Book Awards
Trust chair and is with us.

Speaker 20 (42:59):
Now, Hi, yeahther, how are you?

Speaker 3 (43:02):
I'm well, thank you? So is this a one off
and you still have this no AI policy in place?

Speaker 20 (43:07):
Yes, this is a one off for this year. We
felt really that the two authors involved, we're just paying
too high a price for a mistake that essentially originated
with their publisher and so over the last a little while,
we've been really reviewing that and consulting with the sector

(43:27):
and just felt that it was the right and magnanimous
thing to do. There is still no AI text allowed,
but this is not an indication really that it's going
to be open slab next time on AI and heither Off,
I could just sort of explain a little bit the
context around this. I think what the Awards is experiencing

(43:51):
this year is the very tough, almost bleeding edge that
the creative sector is experiencing with AI. It's incredibly fast moving,
incredibly complex. I was just reading today an article in
Billboard magazine an interview with the head of the Grammys,

(44:11):
and this year the Grammy changed its rules to disallow
AI generated music being entered, and the CEO of the
Grammys was saying that this whole AI issue is just
one of the most complex confrontational issues that he's ever faced.
And I think that's the that's the space we're in.

(44:33):
It's all around copyright and it's all about wanting to
celebrate human endeavor, and I think that's just a little
bit different to some of the AI issues and ar
adoption in business. In the business world, We all know
how absolutely wonderful AI can be, and how transformative it
can be, and how it can enhance productivity. Everyone knows that,

(44:56):
but in the creative sector things are just a little
bit different, and I think we are all over the
next little while working towards finding where a sweet spot
is that everyone can live with.

Speaker 3 (45:09):
Great Nichola, thanks very much for talking to us, Nichola
Leggett our Book Awards Trust chair, got some goss for you,
stand by five twenty three.

Speaker 2 (45:17):
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Speaker 3 (45:26):
Talk to be Yeah there, what's the difference between clip
art on a computer and AI designed book covers? Dave,
I don't I don't care. I don't care what the
book cover looks like. I just want to know if
the book inside is good. So yeah, I don't know.
I don't think they should be doing this anyway. Five
twenty five. So, if you've been following what's been going
on with the cricket, Scottie Stevenson has been forced to
apologize to Christ's College today for during the cricket coverage

(45:48):
referring to what he thought was some of their pupils
as syrupsuckers. Now this doesn't involve me. I didn't attend
the school, so I don't really have a view on
whether they should or should not be called this name.
But what I think is interesting as how this has
been handled. This comes up from time to time. Right
every few years someone moans that the Christ College boys
call the Christ Church Boys high pupils soggies, and then

(46:08):
they get called syrups. And the problem is both of
them apparently refer to lewd acts, although if you're honest,
probably both are urban missing. You'd be hard pressed to
find proof that the original thing ever actually happened. This
came up, And this is the interesting thing. This pointed
out to me that this came up in twenty twelve
and the head master of Christ College back then was
Simon Less, and he wrote to the local paper the Press,
basically telling everyone to calm down because, as he said,

(46:32):
these aggressive provocations have been going on for as long
as anyone can remember, and these mock aggressive provocations, by
the way, that pretend aggressive provocations will be going on
for as long as anyone can remember. And there is
none and I the school who takes the chance seriously.
Now fast forward from twenty to after twenty twenty five,
and the new head master is so upset that he's
writing to the BSA to complain about it, which has

(46:54):
led to the apology from Scotti Stevenson. Today, I mean
talk about the streisand effect. If the new head master
actually wanted to look after his school, he should have
actually just let it go, not drawn attention to it.
Because what he's done instead is he's drawn attention to it.
Now we're all hitting the Google to try to find
out what to find out what a syrupsucker is and
what's going on at the school. This whole thing, I
think just feels a little bit like an overreaction today.

(47:15):
It's banter, It goes back years. It's probably an urban myth.
They don't take it seriously, or at least they didn't
until now. And if there's one thing that you can say,
it's that times have changed between twenty twelve and twenty
twenty five.

Speaker 1 (47:26):
Heather do for sel here's.

Speaker 3 (47:28):
The goss for you. By the way, sports huddle on
that shortly, here's the goss for you. Sounds like you're
going to watch Q and A this weekend because the
goss I've heard is that Andy Coster, the former police commissioner,
is on Q and A this weekend and when he's
doing his Q and A interview, he apparently denies that
he interfered with the emails going into Mark Mitchell's office,
which was the big allegation. Remember, the allegation was Andy

(47:50):
cost got them to send those emails, take the emails
away from the minister minister and never saw them, went
straight back to Police National headquarters. He says this didn't happen,
He didn't do this. Now, if that's true true, it
does rather add a little bit more fuel to the
to the just I suppose that the wonder if this
might be really the a plus plus plus plus plus
plus scandal that has been whipped up to be. We

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will discuss on Monday on.

Speaker 2 (48:14):
Your smart speaker, on the iHeart app and in your
car on your drive home. It's Heather Duplicy Ellen drive
with one New Zealand had the power of satellite mobile
news talks, they'd.

Speaker 3 (48:24):
Be Christmas.

Speaker 6 (48:29):
Christmas big Suitions Christmas se Right.

Speaker 3 (48:38):
Do you remember the guy who once coined us I
mean you he's on the show every fortnight. But the
guy who once coined the show, the rock Star the Economy,
The rock Star Economy, Paul Bloxham, he is in the country.
He's been touring the country for the last week and
he's going to be us after six o'clock. I tell
you what, I'm interested in asking him as well. I mean,
he's he's very bullish for our economy next year, like

(48:58):
he's really pumping for it. I want to know if
we're going to do well enough to beat Australia and
then also are we going to do well enough to
ever be a rockstar economy again? So he'll be with
us shortly hither. I think the point is this is
Ree Scotti Stevenson. I think the point is that while
an insult from a rival school is acceptable, an insult
on national television by a prominent sport broadcaster is not. David,
thank you. We'll talk to the sports tittle shortly twenty

(49:19):
three away from Sex now, Heather, We've got another one
of those local football derbies that's proving incredibly popular, Auckland
f C against the Phoenix. The two will meet at
Mount Smart Stadium tomorrow and after a couple of disappointing results.
Auckland FC is chasing the fifth straight win against the Wellingtonians.
Nick Becker is Auckland f c's chief executive and back
with us.

Speaker 7 (49:37):
I Nick, Hey, Heather, Hell are you mate?

Speaker 3 (49:39):
I'm well. Are you feeling pressure?

Speaker 12 (49:41):
No, I no pressure at all. We love pressure. No,
We're feeling good. You know, last week was a wobble,
but there's also a wobble in a torrential downpour, so
it's like it's biblical stuff.

Speaker 7 (49:54):
You know, you can write that off easily.

Speaker 3 (49:57):
Yeah, fair enough. I love that. Just that was a
bad one to decide. Let's keep going forward. Do these
derby seem to be like the thing to go to?
Are they proven more popular than the other matches?

Speaker 12 (50:08):
Definitely, they always are that they you know, it's tribalism
and its best. It's kind of it's arguably, I think,
becoming New Zealand's biggest domestic fixture in the sporting calendar.
You know, you're kind of it used to be the
old NPC days back, you know, ten fifteen years ago.
Now I think that that football is taking a real
hold on it. Why you know, you look at the

(50:30):
growth of the game over the last sort of ten
ten years really and you've got that passion there.

Speaker 7 (50:35):
It's also something different.

Speaker 12 (50:36):
I think you've kind of got that sort of the
experience on a match.

Speaker 7 (50:41):
There's like nothing else you've said in sport and then Z.

Speaker 12 (50:45):
So you've got that excitement there, you've got the passionate fans,
you've got the families that are there. It's a real
experience that nobody else has sort of seen here. I
think people got a bit bored of just the same
as and it's something new and they're really excited about it.

Speaker 3 (50:56):
Joe what Nick? I wonder if it's got to do
with the fans, Like the fans are there's something about
really backing your team that Rugby's kind of lost.

Speaker 12 (51:06):
Yeah, I don't know if it's Rugby has lost or
if if I already had it. You know, football has
got that globally, and I think what's really what's brilliant
about us? I mean, you know, we're only in our
second season, but we've already got Latino fan bases. We've
got you know, sort of fan bases from across the
whole world, and they make so much noise and they
bring so much passion and color and flair and flavor.

(51:26):
You just don't get that in rugby because it is
New Zealand's biggest sport. That's fine, that's great, but rugby
fans don't celebrate like football fans.

Speaker 7 (51:33):
It's just a fact.

Speaker 11 (51:34):
Ye.

Speaker 3 (51:34):
And so have you seen the post that the Port
has done about chief.

Speaker 11 (51:37):
Ye?

Speaker 7 (51:39):
Do you know what?

Speaker 12 (51:40):
I did actually say it, and I thought that's actually
taking things a bit too far. I think Banta is
great and you want to have that rivalry and you
want to be pushing each other, but you.

Speaker 7 (51:47):
Don't need to go too far on it.

Speaker 12 (51:48):
And that's not The Port are completely independent to the
club and they do what they do.

Speaker 7 (51:53):
It's not certainly not something that we'd endorse on our
own channel.

Speaker 3 (51:56):
Look, you're taking it more seriously than he is. I
mean he's he says he is a clown.

Speaker 12 (52:03):
Well i'll let him, I'll let him call himself a clown.

Speaker 7 (52:06):
I'm not going to do it.

Speaker 3 (52:07):
Nick, good luck tomorrow, Thanks very much to Go Auckland.
That's Nick Becker, who is of course the chief executive
of the Auckland f C. If you haven't seen it,
the Port is the fan club for Auckland f C.
And they've put up a post on Insta of the
Phoenix coach chiefy Giancarlo Italiano dressed up as a clown
and has the caption in the background saying Chief he
is an fing clown, and Chief he says he doesn't
care because he is a clown, and then he says,

(52:27):
I haven't heard anyone from outside Auckland say that they
like Auckland, which is true. Twenty away from six.

Speaker 2 (52:34):
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Speaker 9 (52:47):
School obviously is rather upset that that phrase was used
in commentary.

Speaker 1 (52:51):
To them, I apologize unequivocally.

Speaker 8 (52:54):
What happens to your test team in January when they
all get pulled out to go and play this provincial
teacher any tournament. What happens to the shrink and Tour
which is scheduled to be during that time and then
India is not long after.

Speaker 19 (53:08):
If anybody had bothered to do I discuss the first
thing we could have said to them is, while a
competition like this really will succeed if we can get
a four week windows, let's be flexible around where that is.

Speaker 3 (53:18):
On the sports tattle that's this evening. We've got Nathan Lemon,
Jeff mctage. Nathan, of course is our Herald sports journalist
and Jeff mctage is the Sky Sports commentator. How are
you guys, hey ever get ether right? What do you reckon? Nathan?
I saw you whip your phone up and have a
look at that. What did you think of the insta post?

Speaker 18 (53:32):
See, I'm normally I'm normally one who just encourages any
kind of bands at least hype up the rivalry. It's
get a bit of I always look at overseas rivalries
and I look at I think about what what are
the best rivalries in the world in Sport, Manchester City, Manchester,
United State of Origin, you know, Queens and versus New
South Wales, and what fuels those rivalries is hate. It's
hate and it's not hate genuinely, but it's like you

(53:54):
get in the stadium performance performative hate. So I the
post itself, I would have more support of it if
it was a little bit clever, but it's not really clever.
It's just on the nose. But I really like a
chief his response and that he says he doesn't care.
I think that makes it a bit more okay.

Speaker 3 (54:12):
Okay, So is that banter okay, Jeff, but the banter
at Christ College is not?

Speaker 1 (54:17):
Okay?

Speaker 15 (54:19):
Yeah, I guess they're slightly different, slightly different situations. Look,
I think Scott has come out and sincerely apologized, and
I think it's fair to say that in a live
environment sometimes we can all say things that we would
otherwise not say and regret in hindsight. So he's come out,
he's owned it. I think his statement is sincere and

(54:40):
and we move on. Clearly, he said that he wasn't
aware of what the term meant at the time. I
certainly wasn't.

Speaker 6 (54:46):
When I heard it.

Speaker 15 (54:47):
Obviously it offended those at Christ College to head to.

Speaker 3 (54:51):
Go google it, did you?

Speaker 15 (54:53):
I didn't google it. I didn't pay too much attention
to helves until others said what it related to in
the media. So look, I think, as I said, Scott
has made the apology. It's a live environment. We can
do things we were good at times, and we move on.

Speaker 3 (55:07):
Isn't this an overreaction, Nathan?

Speaker 18 (55:11):
It's so difficult because I'm in the same boat as that.
I had no idea what it meant. Like, I'm not
from Christ.

Speaker 3 (55:16):
With the headmaster has drawn attention to it, created the
strides and defect. Now we all know what a syrup
sucker is, and now we're all like, what thew is
going on at your schoolmate?

Speaker 6 (55:23):
Well, no one's going to say that again, are they.

Speaker 18 (55:25):
So I suppose if that's the desired outcome, it's it's
not going to happen again. Because I'm fully with Jeff
and Scottish apologized. His apology is obviously sincere it's a
live environment.

Speaker 6 (55:36):
Yeah, okay, he got that wrong.

Speaker 18 (55:37):
But I think this is something that is just should
be dropped.

Speaker 3 (55:40):
And he's my argument, Well, what I'm what I'm getting at,
Jeff is that if this like, if this happens, are
you are you doing the right thing as the principle
to jump up and down about it, or are you
better off to just be like just we just don't
want to draw attention to it, because because now now
we're all discussing the thing, he doesn't want us to
to say.

Speaker 15 (55:59):
Yeah, hard to say, and that's very Christian for the
principle of christ College. But it was obviously it struck
a nerve and and and it's obviously you know, created
this reaction. So I think you know he's done the
right thing, Scott, He's come out, he's apologized before the
day's play. As I said, it's sincere tvn Z. Yeah,
there's going to be an investigation. Obviously, broadcast standards complaints

(56:20):
being laid. So look, those things are going to happen.
But at the end of the day, you know, as
I said, I think these things can slip out of
mountains broadcasters from time to time. You just got to
step up.

Speaker 3 (56:31):
I've never seen anything like that, never seen anything wrong.

Speaker 18 (56:36):
I think it depends if the students themselves are subject
of this comment where we're passed off and upset, and
if they were, then the principal is very justifying standing
up for them on the behalf. If they didn't care,
no one really cared, and the principles something.

Speaker 3 (56:54):
Knowing school boys, they probably stoked with this at the minute. Listen,
I want to get what I want to hear what
you guys have to think to say about the cricket
competent from the T twenty do it after the break
quarter two.

Speaker 2 (57:03):
The Friday Sports Huddle with New Zealand South of East International.

Speaker 1 (57:07):
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Speaker 3 (57:10):
Right, you're back of the sports huddle Jeff mctage and
Nathan Limb. Jeff, now, are you for or against this
T twenty thing in New Zealand?

Speaker 6 (57:18):
On for it?

Speaker 7 (57:18):
On for it?

Speaker 15 (57:19):
I think we always run into these situations when something
new is moted and put forward and the establishment, you know,
off and crow Foullvant go no, you can't do that
without our say so and and whatnot. But if you
actually look at the you know, the core theme here,
so they want to play the cricket around the same
time as the test schedule. But from my end, it's

(57:40):
just about working out when that's played and working together
with New Zealand cricket. I think if they can work
in harmony and have have those top players that clearly
End twenty want to play in that competition, have them available,
also have them available and have those assurances for the
test schedule, I see no problem in it, particularly given
that the six major associations are on board, so there

(58:01):
are plenty of people for this to go ahead. It's
not like everyone's saying no, we don't want the NZ twenty.

Speaker 6 (58:06):
Lots of people do.

Speaker 15 (58:07):
So how do we make this work collectibility to get together?

Speaker 3 (58:11):
I mean the problem that's been raised, Nathan, is that
it's going to clash with the Australia Test Series, which
is happening in January next year, right or twenty seven.
But isn't the fundamental point here act And that's fair enough,
that seems like a problem, but actually don't we have
to set aside a cricket window for domestic competitions around
the world so that they can actually play proper domestic cricket.

Speaker 18 (58:29):
I think what is very clear is that New Zealand
has fallen behind, way behind the world stage in terms
of our domestic product and entertaining financially viable domestic competition.
You know, all over the world they have these competitions
and we've fallen behind. The black Caps succeed in t
twenties in spite of our domestic competition, not because of them.

(58:51):
So what is clear is that change is needed. I
think what's happened here is that we've got this new
sort of notion, this new prospect. We don't like new
scary things. I think at we just need more information
on the stage because this isn't something that's going to
happen next month. This is just a concept at the stage.
And yeah that I think the crest questions that have
been raised in this open letter are viable, But I

(59:11):
also think there's an element of us panicking over something
that we don't actually have the details of.

Speaker 3 (59:16):
Nay, then would you rather you'll domestic cricket be one
day is or T twenties, because that's what will happen.
It will replace the one days?

Speaker 18 (59:23):
I think that, well, I mean, hang on, it will
replace the one days because you have the super Smash.
It will replace the super Smash, so the Supersmash is twenty.

Speaker 3 (59:32):
The Super Sorry, it will replace the won't replace the
one days because if you're going to if you're the
idea is you move the eyeballs away from your one
days to your T twenties.

Speaker 18 (59:42):
I mean, I think I didn't think that this affected
the Ford Trophy in your wondering. What I thought this
was was was t it replaces the Super Smash, the
T twenty competition.

Speaker 3 (59:51):
It does replace them.

Speaker 6 (59:52):
It replaces that.

Speaker 3 (59:53):
Isn't the idea that if you if you're protecting this thing, right,
you're just protecting this thing the centrally that the contracted
players have to be here, it will gravitate us all
towards that Instead of the one Day.

Speaker 18 (01:00:03):
Is instead of the black Caps one days or the
domestic one Domestic. I don't think anyone watches the Domestic
one day anyway.

Speaker 6 (01:00:09):
It's on you.

Speaker 3 (01:00:10):
Are you okay with it?

Speaker 6 (01:00:11):
Yes?

Speaker 18 (01:00:12):
Okay, because it's to me it's not it's a non
issue because the one days aren't. Don't have any eyes
on it anyway.

Speaker 3 (01:00:17):
Okay, And then we replaced the super Smash as well.
All right, Jeff, we need to talk about what is
going on here with It'sabeth, because Isabeth has been stood
down for twelve matches. But none of this is the
eye gouging. But none of the matches are test so
does it count?

Speaker 15 (01:00:29):
Can we can we suspend them when the World Cup
rolls around the same save one for them? Now, Look,
I'm so I've got.

Speaker 6 (01:00:37):
A bug on this.

Speaker 21 (01:00:38):
On Lot.

Speaker 15 (01:00:38):
I think it's if he if he sits out twelve
matches for the Sharks in the United Rugby Championship, Look,
that just means he's going to have, you know, a
few months off to spend some time in the germ
and put on another twenty kilos, So he's one hundred
and fifty kilos.

Speaker 6 (01:00:50):
Of man muscle.

Speaker 15 (01:00:51):
We Look, I think this should the crime should relate
where to where it's been, you know, to to where
it's transpired. So in this case Test rugby, so you're
gonna hand a twelve weeks suspend to a twelve game suspension.
Surely I think at least that some of that should
be in Test rugby. Otherwise, you know, what's the point
is just going to have an extended break.

Speaker 18 (01:01:09):
I am fine with him serving the suspension in club rugby.
I think that yellow and red cards have become so
common in rugby union. I mean South Africa had three
red cards and four tests. So if we start going
with this saying okay, he's going to miss tests, then
we're going to it's going to bleed into other red
card issues. And it's already controversial how many red cards

(01:01:30):
are getting toushed out. And what's going to happen is
it's going to come back on us. It's all very
well now that we South Africa, but you know, some
all blacks is going to get red carded and then
we're going to be going, oh no, he's going to
miss you know this many tests for the all blacks.
So I think we have to think of it from
the perspective of if he was our player. Would we
want him just missing Super rugby? We want him to
miss all blacks.

Speaker 3 (01:01:48):
Tests really quickly. Are you sad that we have lost
our fastest runner to the Aussies?

Speaker 6 (01:01:53):
Yes?

Speaker 18 (01:01:54):
I think a sprinting is a sport that's that's very
easy to understand. Kids do it all the way through
primary school, high school. You know, an athletic states. It's
an easy thing to go, oh, I'm good at this,
I might try it this more. And you need people
in the sport for kids to look up to.

Speaker 3 (01:02:08):
INSPI.

Speaker 18 (01:02:09):
Okay, maybe he wasn't going to make the Olympic podium,
but he can still be that person that represents Newsy
on that kids look up to. I think that is
a huge loss.

Speaker 15 (01:02:16):
Jeff, I think the standards are outrageous that they need
to be locked at lock ten o eight. That got
him a silver medal at Birmingham twenty twenty two, which
he wasn't selected for. So there's some food for thought.

Speaker 3 (01:02:29):
Ah, very good point. Actually, hey guys, thank you. It's
been a pleasure to talk to the pair of you.
Nathan Limb Jeff mctage. I spook tudble this evening seven
away from six.

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Speaker 3 (01:02:44):
Heather, the only reason that Scotti Stephenson is apologizing is
because society has, in a terrible moment for society given
the shorthaired, middle aged HR ladies more power than they
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Just make sure that you draw your own cover art

(01:03:05):
for that. Certainly, please don't be using the AI for it.
You know how they feel about that. Now listen, I've
got a live hack for you. This is This is
a live hack from my trip to to Wellington. It's
four away from six. So when I was in Wellington,
I went into the kitchen there to make Oh, this
is a boring story already. I went into the kitchen

(01:03:26):
to make a cup of tea and I opened the
I want to go through the process because you know that,
because you do it. But I went into the it's
like the.

Speaker 22 (01:03:34):
Green Party MPs, like Diary. This is where we're at now.

Speaker 3 (01:03:37):
This is like Hernando whatever his name is, Diary when
he went to cop Anyway, So I went into the
fridge to get the milk out, and in the middle
of the fridge, sitting on top of two pizzas, was
a set of car keys, and I said, oh, oh, no,
somebody has left their car and I pulled them out
and I said, hey, to share all who runs the office, Hey,
someone's left the car keys. And she goes put them

(01:03:58):
back their varnyards. I put them back, Vanya put This
is very clever. Vanya is the boss there, so of
course she's clever. She puts her car keys in the
fridge on top of the pizzas so that when she
goes home at night she doesn't forget the pizzas, because
because she's like a busy person, she forgets her pizzas
all the time. She learned it from Jenny, who used

(01:04:18):
to work there, who's something of a legend Andrew Mulligan's mum. Actually,
Jenny Mulligan. That's a good That is a fantastic life pack,
because how many times have you done the thing where
you're like, nope, putting up. I bought this thing, a
hot chicken, putting it in the fridge at work, and
I'm going to take it home. Our bloody owl. I
forgot it. Well, if you put your car keys and
you're not going to forget it, you're welcome. Courtesy of
Varna and Eryl and Jenny and now me, that story

(01:04:41):
actually ended up being better than than we thought. Oh
that's right, does you me? Okay's that kind of the day?

Speaker 7 (01:04:47):
Okay?

Speaker 3 (01:04:48):
Paul Bloxam next on whether we're ever going to be
a rockstar economy again?

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Speaker 1 (01:05:05):
There'd be.

Speaker 3 (01:05:07):
Evening coming up to the next hour. We're going to
wrap the political week that was with Barry so for
Peter Lewis is out of Hong Kong for US, and
Gavin Gray is out of the UK as well. Seven
past six. Now, I think we can all agree that
survived till twenty five turned out to be a bit
of a dud slogan as the economy struggled all along
along all of this year. So we'll stay in the
mixt until twenty six turn into a dud as well?
Or do we actually believe these green shoots stories? Paul

(01:05:29):
Bloxham as HSBC's chief economist regular on the show. He's
been traveling the country all week. High Paul, welcome to
the studio.

Speaker 6 (01:05:35):
Great to be here.

Speaker 3 (01:05:36):
It's lovely to have you, now, are you? I mean
you are pretty confident about next year. We've been talking
about this all year, right.

Speaker 7 (01:05:41):
That's right.

Speaker 17 (01:05:42):
Well, we thought in New Zealand's economy would pick up
a little bit more strongly this year. It's taken just
a bit longer to arrive than we had in mind,
and of course the RBNZ and because of that has
ended up delivering more easy cutting by another seventy five
basis points. But that just adds a bit more fuel
to this story as far as we see, and we
do think that growth will pick up up fairly solidly
into the last part of this year and running into

(01:06:03):
twenty twenty six as well. We think the green shoots
are there and things are looking a bit brighter in
New Zealand, matching Australia. Look, we think that New Zealand,
because it has had such an extended period i mean
three years of no growth in New Zealand, in effect,
there's a lot of scope for things to pick up,
and so we're forecasting that growth will be stronger in
New Zealand next year than Australia. I mean Australia's got

(01:06:25):
different issues. Australia has no lack of demand. We've got
plenty of demand. We just haven't got enough supply. The
economy can't grow a much faster. In fact, it's probably
already growing a little faster than is sustainable. So no,
we think New Zealand's going to have a stronger How
much faster.

Speaker 3 (01:06:40):
Are we growing than aussy?

Speaker 6 (01:06:41):
In our full cast.

Speaker 17 (01:06:42):
Next year GDP growth in New Zealand is about two
and a half percent and in Australia is two point one,
just over two. So you know, we're not talking about
miles away, but we are talking about after three years
of essentially no growth in New Zealand, you start to
have a better time.

Speaker 3 (01:06:57):
Should at least stop the brain drain type thing?

Speaker 17 (01:06:59):
Well, you know, so this is this is one element
of that story. Once the economy starts to get going
and firms start to do a bit more hiring and
the labor market starts to tighten up, that'll keep a
few more people here and it will bring back a
few more people from Australia.

Speaker 6 (01:07:12):
And if Australia's story is.

Speaker 17 (01:07:13):
One where actually it just can't keep growing or needs
to even slow down a bit because well you're already
running u against your capacity constraints. Then New Zealand's going
to start to look a bit more attractive. And that's
the story we've got in mind.

Speaker 3 (01:07:26):
Do we ever get back to being a rock star
economy again?

Speaker 17 (01:07:29):
I think, as I said to you maybe before, when
you've asked me this question, yeah, I think you need
to aspire to try and be a rock star. I
mean when we talked about that rockstar idea, which has
got momentum of its own, and this is back in
twenty fourteen, you were the fastest growing economy in the
developed world in that particular year, and so we marked
it out early. We got that call right, and of
course it's had a life of its own. So the

(01:07:51):
question now is can you have the strongest economy across
that set of countries again? And I think, well, we'll see.
You should descide to it the whole. I think you're
in an upswing, as I say, I think, I think
there's some green shirts. Things are looking brighter and you know, well,
well we'll as we get into next year, if we
get a little bit momentum, we'll have a think about how.

Speaker 6 (01:08:10):
Much wrong you can be.

Speaker 3 (01:08:11):
I was at a thing a couple of months ago, right,
and we had a look at our relative There was
a chart up on the projector and it was our
relative prosperity in New Zealand in contrast to you know,
other developed countries. And really in the last probably you
could say six seven decades, we have slipped further and
further back in terms of our GDP per capita or
our relative wealth per person. So it seems to me,

(01:08:31):
actually the path that we're on is not actually get it.
It's not growing us in the way that we want
to grow per capita. So what do we need to
do here, Paul? Do we need to do something fundamental
in this economy, something like Ireland or Singapore, which are
being talked about.

Speaker 17 (01:08:44):
You need to do as much reform as you can
that attracts as much investment into the places you need them.
I mean, when you need to work on the supper
side of your economy as well.

Speaker 3 (01:08:52):
Would you go as hard as slashing the corporate tax
right here?

Speaker 17 (01:08:54):
I think that it's something should be on the agenda
that tax reforms should definitely be part of part of
the mix.

Speaker 3 (01:09:00):
I mean, when you go as low as fifteen, what you're.

Speaker 17 (01:09:01):
Effectively doing is looking to open up the economy as
much as possible, not just to local investors but also
global investors as well.

Speaker 3 (01:09:07):
Would you go as low as fifteen, I.

Speaker 17 (01:09:09):
Think that, you know, it just depends. I mean, these
the numbers we haven't got sort of specifics on, but
I think you need to look really hard at things
like tax reform that could potentially make it more attractive
to invest here. I think infrastructure has still got to
be a focus. I mean, the big one of the
really interesting growth stories that's going on in Australia that's
really just getting started and actually hasn't got enough attention

(01:09:30):
yet is the data center build out and the AI
story and the software export software license export story. So
Australia's got this little tech story that's actually still quite
small but growing quite quickly, and there's really no reason
why New Zealand couldn't be on that sort of story
as well. So there are growth engines you can see,
but you need to be attractive to that local and

(01:09:50):
global investment.

Speaker 3 (01:09:51):
So the reason I brought up this chart is that
What has showed me was that we were It felt
to me like the tinkering that we're at at the moment.
A little bit of reform here, a little bit of
reform cutting some red tape. That's really like what we
need the way that we're slipping backwards, actually need some
fundament to really bold, really bold ideas. Am I just
getting way over my skis here or do you agree?

Speaker 15 (01:10:11):
No?

Speaker 17 (01:10:11):
You need to do You need to focus on supply
side reform. I think there's been some that's been moving
in the right direction. You describe it as tinkering, but
I think it is. It is moving in the right direction.
But you need to have as bolder ideas as you
can possibly manage.

Speaker 6 (01:10:23):
To deliver, because you've got to attract.

Speaker 17 (01:10:25):
More investment, you've got to expand the capital stock. You've
got to focus on lifting productivity in New Zealand as well.
I've spent a lot of time talking about how much
Australia needs to do that, and they're not doing enough
and hence they're hitting their capacity constraints. New Zealand's got
that as an agenda too. But actually the primary agenda
for New Zealand of late has been pump PRIMI demand
actually getting the economy and getting confidence to improve and
getting things to turn around. I think that's starting to

(01:10:47):
get underway, and then of course a long way along that,
a long way. At the same time, the simultaneous focus
ought to be on these supply side issues, and as
you head towards an election next year, this ought to
be something that's very much in focus as well.

Speaker 3 (01:10:59):
Should be talking about. Now. This is the last time
I'm going to talk to you before Christmas, so Merry
Christmas and what are you doing.

Speaker 17 (01:11:05):
I'm going to spend Christmas in Western Australia where I'm from.
Actually I grew up in Perth, and we're going to
go home and spend time with my family. It's going
to be a couple of weeks of hopefully putting down
all the tools and not getting involved.

Speaker 6 (01:11:18):
It's very hard for me. I really love what I do.

Speaker 3 (01:11:20):
But I need to get your take on something you
said you take in a couple of weeks off. We
discussed this on the show yesterday whether our summer holidays
are getting too long? Are they getting too long in
New Zealand? Is it a problem for productivity?

Speaker 17 (01:11:30):
I think it's great that we have a pause and
we get to do a reset. This is important for everyone,
and it's good that we do it collectively. I think
that's an important feature. And like other regions do this too.
Europe it's always, you know, July and August, they have
a long stretch where everyone gets to sort of unwind
and come back fresh. So I think that this is
just a part of what we do down here in
the Antipodeans is have our summer break over Listmas time.

Speaker 3 (01:11:51):
That's what I think. Merry Christmas, thank you, thank you
so much, Paul, appreciate it. Okay, Paul Block some agspecies
chief economists. Either I've been leaving my keys in the
work fridge for years when I need to take home
my groceries. Can you please tell us something we don't know, John,
not everyone. I've never seen this before. So just because
you know the thing, don't assume everybody else knows that
Heather that life hack is good. Except modern cars now

(01:12:14):
with proximity keys have batteries in them which don't like cold.
I learned this the hard way.

Speaker 5 (01:12:17):
Now.

Speaker 3 (01:12:18):
This is true because if you ever go to Antarctica,
what they tell you is you've got to take your
batteries out of your cameras and stuff like that, if
they are removable batteries, and put them as close to
your body underneath your jacket as you possibly can, because
if they get into the good because then they'll stay warm.
But if it gets into the antarctic cold, it just
drains the life out of the battery really quickly. Cold
like just sucks out your batteries, which is why you'll

(01:12:39):
find your car battery dies in the winter and the
bit from your bloody smoke alarms happens in the winter.
So that is true, true, But I somehow I feel
like your fridge it's probably not going to do that
to your battery anyway. There you go.

Speaker 2 (01:12:54):
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Speaker 1 (01:13:12):
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Speaker 3 (01:13:15):
Hither I heard the air crew put one shoe in
their inroom safe in the hotel room with their passports
so that don't forget their passports. Dirrectors. They have to
go get two shoes, and they find the other shoe
and then they take the passport. Brilliant. Love it. Eighteen
past six. Let's wrap the political week that was with
Barry Soper, senior political correspondent. Welcome back, Barry, Hello again. Yes,
a surprise of the day has got to be the
court ordering mariamental Cupa Kingi back into the party.

Speaker 9 (01:13:36):
Well, it's a big issue when you consider it. You know,
I think political leaders probably felt that they in fact
could expel party members. Although this is a bit different
because Kupa Kingi is an electorate MP holds one of
the electric Maldi seats, so it's a bit different from
a list MP. But the court ruling is quite clear

(01:14:00):
that she's back on the party.

Speaker 3 (01:14:01):
Yeah, pretty unusual. Okay, Now, do you feel as you're
feeling about Andy Coster changed at all?

Speaker 9 (01:14:08):
Look, I've always felt a bit sorry for him because
clearly he was taken in by Jevon Mcskimming and they
were probably pretty close colleagues. When you consider that, you know,
he was in line to take over the job from Costa,
and I think was probably Costa's preference for the job.

(01:14:28):
Until all this mess was unfolding. But you know he
went on. He did nothing in the Social Investment Agency
that you could say would have been would have been
used in getting.

Speaker 12 (01:14:42):
Rid of him.

Speaker 9 (01:14:43):
So you know, can he be trusted? Well, if you
listen to Brian Roach, the Commissioner of the Public Service,
he says yes, he's a very trustworthy individual. So then
you asked the question, well, really should he have resigned?
And if he hadn't resigned, Brian Roach says that he
would have removed.

Speaker 3 (01:15:02):
Them for each to be fired for political reasons, like
politically he was a target. But when you think about
what Andy Costa did. Look, I'm not making excuses do
Gevin mc skimming is a creep, But Andy Costa just
believed his mate right and and try to protect his
mate from what he thought was a bunny boiler EGGX.
This is different to planting evidence on you know, in
the crew case that is that is malicious. It's different

(01:15:25):
to trying to cover up what happened to Erebus. It's
not like I just feel like what we're missing here
is the malice.

Speaker 9 (01:15:31):
Well, yes, but I guess if you were the young
woman involved in this case, I mean, she may have
been insistent on bringing down MC skimming. But the sounds
of things, but you know you've got to have for
her is the same.

Speaker 3 (01:15:45):
Yeah, well the outcome is and it's noble injustice, right.

Speaker 9 (01:15:48):
Yes, indeed. But you know, I just hope that cost
of feared down the track. He's a very experienced and
you know, a very pleasant human being. I just hope
that further down the track he'll find himself back in
a fairly good position.

Speaker 3 (01:16:02):
I'm getting texts from people like Jennifer saying to me, heither,
you need to get out more. Most morning tea items
are anywhere from anywhere. Decent start at ten to fifteen dollars.
One drink of sausage rollin is gone and you've been forty.
You've spent forty dollars in Auckland easy peas well, there.

Speaker 9 (01:16:17):
You go, thirty two hundred dollars for sunny kershel sweet.

Speaker 3 (01:16:22):
As we sped Jennifers spend up mate.

Speaker 9 (01:16:24):
But it's incredible, And I remember you talking about the
hours that Sonny would have had to have worked to
earn the money that he was earning on an hourly rate,
over almost three hundred thousand dollars in less than a
year a lot of money, but it was justified at
a select comtee and the the what do they call

(01:16:47):
it again?

Speaker 3 (01:16:48):
I always crutiny week? Bruty looks right.

Speaker 9 (01:16:51):
Down bout it was written down somewhere here, but I
couldn't be bothered look at But yeah, no, scrutiny Week.
The Justice Department was in front of Andrew Kibble was
the CEO, saying that well, look he's a hard worker.
While he must be a bloody hard worker. That's all
I can.

Speaker 3 (01:17:06):
Say, Jesus working every day that God gave him. Yeah,
all right, now do you want to talk about Scrutiny
Week and how much you've loved it?

Speaker 6 (01:17:15):
Well?

Speaker 3 (01:17:15):
No, you got anything out of it that was great?

Speaker 9 (01:17:18):
Yeah? Well Richard Chambers was before the parliamentarians.

Speaker 3 (01:17:25):
What did he say you hadn't heard before? Oh no nothing,
I heard nothing.

Speaker 9 (01:17:29):
I guess it's a bit of a political game, isn't it.
I quite like seeing the CEOs who are paid very
handsomely to run their departments, many of whom earn more
than the Prime Minister, see them put on the spot.
That's quite nice. And to watch them having to squirm
and answer questions. You can imagine, you know, some of

(01:17:49):
these very young MPs that sit on these committees, like
Tabitha Paul pointing the finger of Richard Chambers, the Commissioner
of Police, and you know it really does, I guess
make the CEO squirm of it that they have to
be honest and answer the questions that are put to them.

Speaker 3 (01:18:08):
Barry, thank you very much, Barry Soper seeing your political
correspondent six twenty three.

Speaker 2 (01:18:13):
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Speaker 1 (01:18:22):
Your futures in good hands us talks.

Speaker 3 (01:18:24):
That'd be she shih praise hither. I think your summary
of the Andrew Costa situation with Barry is very balanced
and you are on the on the money. Thank you
for sharing it. Colin, you are welcome. That's what I'm
here for some of the time. By the way, apparently
New Zealand Rugby has a guy lined up to take
over as the boss there wants Mark Robinson Leaves. They're
talking to former Tall Black Shawn Marks about it and

(01:18:45):
he's been the general manager of the Nets since twenty sixteen,
so probably has the qualifications you'd say right. Peter Lewis
is with us shortly out of Hong Kong's six twenty six.

Speaker 1 (01:18:54):
There's no business like show business.

Speaker 3 (01:19:00):
Have you ever thought to yourself, how do I become
a little bit more like Kim Kardashian. No, well you should,
because she's got a lot of money. She's now selling
a master class and how to be successful in business.

Speaker 7 (01:19:12):
I turned being under astimated into billions.

Speaker 4 (01:19:17):
People see me.

Speaker 7 (01:19:18):
On our TV show or on social media.

Speaker 4 (01:19:21):
But what they don't see is how I build my business.

Speaker 3 (01:19:23):
As now, you could pay seventeen dollars a month to
hear her tips, or you could just listen here right
now and I'll give her give you her ten commandments.
Did you get that? Commandments on how to be successful
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are the product. You are the product. Number two, they
prove it, you perfect it. Number three define yourself before

(01:19:46):
others do. Number four. Don't follow the feed, be the feed. Five,
Turn failure into strategy. Six your customer is your co founder. Seven.
Culture sets the time. Eight know you're worth a and
then add some tax I think these are brilliant. Number
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I said, so, how good is this? Basically just been confident,
That's all it is. It's knowing that you are worth something,
being confident and then maxing it out, which when you
really think about it, is actually quite good, quite good
business advice from Kemp to be fair, to be fair,
I would rather listen to her advice on business than
watch her acting at the moment, which is quite stink.
If you want to give her seventeen dollars if you

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masterclass dot com. You're welcome. Peter Lewis next, couldn't have
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Speaker 4 (01:20:35):
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Speaker 7 (01:20:41):
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Speaker 1 (01:20:51):
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Speaker 3 (01:21:13):
Lord, I'll tell you what I've set one of my
friends off. She she has started texting me about keys
in the fridge, thinks it's the most disgusting thing ever,
because I mean she makes a fair point, right, which
is like, if there's anything that your grubby little hands
is going to touch after touching other grubby little things,
it's going to be your car keys, isn't it? So
the grubby ass. So she was like, she's got she's
gone complete. She's nutting out on my phone at me

(01:21:34):
right now. She's like, why don't you just used to
put your used toilet paper in there as well? And
there with pee. I'm never eating pizzas with you again
here that Scott, She's gone completely mental. She's gone all
like germ phobe, like Donald Trump on it. Anyway, I
suppose you've got to be friends with a whole range
of people, don't you, so that you can sort of
balance yourself out and remain normal. I mean she thinks
she's the normal one, but she's not. Twenty three away

(01:21:56):
from seven. Peter Lewis Asia Business Correspondents with US. Hello Peter,
Hello Heather. Right, So are we going to get an
investigation into this apartment fire?

Speaker 21 (01:22:05):
Well partially, but not enough to quell public anger over this.
There is going to be a Committee of inquiry which
will be led by a judge who reports to the
Chief Executive, John Lee. But this is not the way
historically how major tragedies in Hong Kong are investigated. What

(01:22:26):
normally happens is a fully independent Committee of Inquiry is
set up, and it's set up under the Commissions of
Inquiry Ordinance here in Hong Kong, and this has real
legal powers that the committee that John Lee is setting
up doesn't have. So if it was a commission, and

(01:22:46):
a commission was set up after the twenty twelve Lamma
Ferry crash, it can compel witnesses to attend and give
evidence under oath, and it can also summon documents and
government files as well and punish people who don't cooperate,
so it has some real legal teeth. But the feeling

(01:23:07):
is that the government itself is complicit in this because
it simply hasn't enforced building regulations. It allows contractors to
get away with using substandard substances like the nylon netting
that covers buildings, the bamboo scaffolding, and regulators have revealed

(01:23:29):
the contractors even in the case of this fire in
Typo just a week earlier, had ignored fire prevention directives.
So there's a feeling that there is real lack of
government oversight over renovation works at apartment blocks in Hong Kong,
and that's partly to blame for this tragedy which has

(01:23:51):
seen now one hundred and fifty nine people killed, and
that this committee that's going to report to John Lee
will be a bit of a whitewash. And the one
of the reasons it is being set up this way
is under pressure from Beijing to try and make sure
that the government here stays in control of the inquiry.

(01:24:12):
And we're sort of seeing the sort of public anger
here that we haven't seen for a long long time.
There's a lot of Facebook posts going around calling for
proper public investigations. Some of the people who've written them
have been arrested under the National Security laws, and there's
a sort of anger here and fear amongst the government

(01:24:34):
that this could lead to maybe the sort of protests
that we saw back in Hong Kong, but we saw
in Hong Kong back in twenty eighteen. And this is
coming just ahead of the elections, the Legislative Council elections,
which are going on this Sunday, So there's real simmering
anger and discontent over the whole way this is being handled.

Speaker 3 (01:24:57):
Have you seen the photographs of Mody embracing Pool.

Speaker 21 (01:25:01):
Well, this is really a consequence Donald Trump. I don't
think he ever thought that this would be the con
you know, he would in effect drive India closer to Russia,
also closer to China as well, because he's only just
got back from a visit to Beijing. And here we
now have Vladimir Putin, who of course is a suspected

(01:25:26):
war criminal, under threat of arrest, arriving in India and
embracing Ruendra Modi like this. But you know, India has
always sort of sought to try and balance competing interests
and keeper a sort of independent foreign policy and make
sure that you know, it buys goods and services from

(01:25:48):
all sorts of different countries. But you know, the US
has slapped fifty percent tariffs on all Indian exports, so
it really has no choice at the moment but to gowhere.
And Russia has been traditionally for decades now the major
supplier to India of defense equipment and arms. So this

(01:26:10):
is really the consequence of Trump's policies and trade sanctions
that is put on India.

Speaker 3 (01:26:17):
Yeah, that's a fair point to make Peter look after yourself,
enjoy your Christmas and thanks very much for your year.
That's Peter Lewis, Asia Business correspondent. If you haven't seen,
by the way, the pictures of Putin and Mody, I
was gonna say, Potin and Mody giving each other a hug,
that's not what's happening. Putin's standing there feeling weird about it.
Mody's giving him a hug. It's quite as worth looking.
I mean, it's not the first time it's happened. It

(01:26:37):
seems to happen every single time they get together. Mody's
in their eyes like it, come here, mate, giving him
a hug, holding his hand. Putin always always is like
like sometimes actually sometimes he does put his arms around Mody.
Today he does feel particularly sort of like, well, if.

Speaker 22 (01:26:53):
You think about it, do you remember that time that
Vatimir Putin met with the Manuel McCall and they had
to sit at the just opposite ends of this gigantic
tape because how much he just didn't want to touch somebody.
So this must this must be utter hell for him,
like not only being that close to a person, because.

Speaker 3 (01:27:06):
Because he's he is like my friend isn't he answer?

Speaker 22 (01:27:09):
Yeah, No, he definitely does not leave his keys, his
toilet paper or anything else in the in the fridge
with the pizza.

Speaker 3 (01:27:14):
No, hither, you could just leave your keys in the bowl, mate,
That's a totally different vibe though, Like I'm not that
in that case. It's not trying to leaving your keys
in the bowl. Is not you trying to remember to
take your pizza home. That's staying for the pizza, you
know what? You know what I mean? As anyway, from.

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Speaker 3 (01:28:31):
Be might have to give you an update on Nigel
Farajan just to take US fourteen away from seven and
Gavin Gray are UK correspondence with US Logavin hither have
so do has this inquiry concluded that potent actually was
the one who signed off on that killing?

Speaker 16 (01:28:47):
Yes, yeah, so we've had a public inquiry here and
you'll remember that assassination attempt on the format Russian spy
on English soil in twenty eighteen. His name was Serge
scrip Aal. He and his daughter were left seriously ill,
along with a police officer who was sent to search
their home and they all survived the poison attack. But
four months later, just as the city of Salisbury was

(01:29:09):
getting back to normal, a woman died after unwittingly spraying
herself with novichok, the poison used by the Russian agents
hidden in a perfume bottle found in a bin. The
Russian military intelligence officers had basically discarded the bottle in
a public bin, this highly poisonous material after their failed mission. Now,

(01:29:30):
the public inquiry said the operation must have been authorized
by the very person at the top, and they inquiry
their names Vladimir Putin, and that he's morally responsible for
the death of the innocent woman, Dawn Sturgis, who died
the four months afterwards. The report found there were failings
in the management of the former GIU agent, Sergei Scripal. However,

(01:29:53):
it does conclude in the assessment that he wasn't a
significant risk of assassination. That was not an unreasonable assumption.
Moscow has denied involvement, but the ambassador has been called
in and well, I sense it was probably short conversation.

Speaker 3 (01:30:10):
Now what are the implications of this pec that's been
signed between the UK and Norway?

Speaker 6 (01:30:15):
Very interesting?

Speaker 16 (01:30:16):
This a recent report said that from MPs said, quite frankly,
the UK is not armed or equipped already to fight
a war without American help, and more needs to be
done to bolster defenses. Now we learn that a deal
between the UK and Norway will suggest that they operate
a combined fleet to hunt Russian submarines in the North Atlantic.

(01:30:40):
Why well, basically, undersea cables, which British officials say are
increasingly under threat from Moscow, are at danger here. There's
been a thirty percent rise in Russian vessels spotted in
UK waters over the past two years. And under this agreement,
the navies from the two native members will operate a
fleet of British built Type twenty six frigates. The Prime

(01:31:03):
Minister says this will enhance and strengthen Britain's ability to
protect critical infrastructure. Britain heavily reliant on its network of
undersea cables that carry data. There are also vital oil
and gas pipelines that connect frankly, Europe, but Britain to
the North Sea neighbors like Norway, and they're very very
wary of some what they call ghost ships that they

(01:31:25):
believe are operated by Russia. But they're not properly sort
of authorized by other maritime bodies, and these warships are
therefore going to monitor the Russian naval movements in the
waters between Greenland, Iceland and the UK, trying to check
that those seabed cables and pipelines are okay.

Speaker 3 (01:31:46):
Okay, Eurovision. Is this the end of it? Or I
can never quite be sure if the boycotts or just
like who cares, or like this is actually existential?

Speaker 16 (01:31:56):
Yeah, well, I think this is really pretty important. So Ireland, Spain,
the Netherlands and Slovenia will boycott the twenty twenty six
Eurovision Song Contest, and that is because Israel was allowed
to compete last time, and Israel is going to be
allowed to compete next year. And they're angry about that
because they consider this to be a stand over the
appalling loss of lives, as they said in Gaza. Now,

(01:32:20):
the real thing here is that Spain is taking part
in that boycott. Spain is one of Eurovision's Big five countries,
along with France, Germany, Italy and the UK, and that
means that their acts go straight into the final because
the broadcasters pay the huge, large, big financial contribution to

(01:32:42):
the budget of the organizers and without Spain, well it'll
be interesting to see if they pay.

Speaker 5 (01:32:49):
And then if Spain goes.

Speaker 16 (01:32:50):
Will one of the others also fall the same way,
because without the money, the competition will be in a big,
big problem. Israel's president has described this as a very
very important gesture of solidarity, brotherhood and cooperation that BBC
here in the UK says it will continue to take part,

(01:33:12):
but certainly if another of those Big five, if France
or Germany or Italy go, it'll be very different. Germany
actually said it would leave in boycott if Israel was
told it couldn't take part, so they're not going to
do that. The UK not going to do that. France
and Italy. I think the focus is on them.

Speaker 3 (01:33:31):
Devin, as always, thank you very much and thank you
for your contribution throughout the year. We'll talk to you again, Nixy,
your merry Christmas to you. That is Devin Gray, our
UK correspondent. Okay, listen, the UK coverage of this is
the news coverage. The Guardian's news coverage of what a
racist little boy Nigel Farage was when he was just
out of intermediate school has now gone global because now
CNN is reporting it, and I quote Andrew Field recalls

(01:33:54):
how his youth in South London, same place used to
hand out a little blue book listening how his school
in South London or he used to hand out a
little blue book listing all the students enrolled that year.
He says, one boy used to go through the book
to count how many children had the common English surname
Smith and how many had the Indian surname Patel. When
there were more Patels and now he's quoted when there

(01:34:14):
were more Patals than Smith's. Field told CNN he made
a public ceremony of burning that school role in protest.
That former student, remembered by Field as a pompous, isolated
loner who enjoyed strutting about in school uniform, grew up
to become arguably the most influential politician in Britain this century.
Right wing populist Nigel Farage. Oh, basically the implication is

(01:34:37):
he was he was evil. Evil is an old man
evil as a young man. I just remind you that
the incidents that we're talking about that CNN are quoting
quoting Andrew Field about Nigel Farrage was thirteen years old
thirteen eight away from seven.

Speaker 2 (01:34:54):
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Speaker 3 (01:35:01):
This is quite funny. I was on the Good Wine
dot code on his z website just before because Dale
from The Good Wine sent me an email and he
was like, can you click on this and just tell
me what you blah blah blah whatever, and so I
clicked on it. But then the Good Wine it has
a little thing that pops up and it says what
age are you? Well, you've got to be age verified,
and then you click yes I'm over eighteen or yes
I'm under eighteen, and I always click yes I'm under

(01:35:23):
eighteen as a hopeful thing, but also because I'm just
being dumb, and I clicked it, and do you know
what's funny is it goes sorry, kiddo, we can't let
you in, and then it redirects you to Susie Cato's
website and do you know what, I'm going to see
Susie Cato in a week's time. So I was like, oh, excellent,
I quite enjoyed. So now I'm huvering from the Good
Wine code to Susie Cato. Two icons of New Zealand

(01:35:45):
life and.

Speaker 22 (01:35:46):
Not to be combined if you are under eighteen though. Yes,
so apparently the keys in the French trick can backfirehither.
I've actually had a text through from my mum. Oh,
so apparently my nana tried this once. She was like,
she had some milk that she'd bought on the way
to our house and she needed to take it home,
so she put the key next to the milk in
the fridge. So obviously you walk out to the car
and you go, oh, where are my keys. You're meant
to think, oh, right, they're in the fridge next to
that milk. I must remember to grab no, But yeah,

(01:36:08):
unfortunately she completely forgot where they were. So mom and
dad didn't know where they were. So drove Nana to
her house to go get her spare key to the
car and then came back and then you know, got
the spare key to the car, she drove home, and
then at some point somebody looked in the fridge and
we're like, oh, hey found them.

Speaker 3 (01:36:24):
So, I mean it does require some remaining.

Speaker 22 (01:36:27):
Brains, Like you've got to have a few brains, and
I was doing a this but yeah, clearly nothing no
strategy is foolproof.

Speaker 3 (01:36:34):
I'll beat you as around Christmas time because my brain
is Friday. Hey listen, So this is my last week
on Drive because next week and the week thereafter, because
you know, Mike takes a sort of like king break,
doesn't he He's like his majesty is on holiday and
off he goes, and no one begrudges him because he
did work hard all year. But we all have to
sort of like whoop towards it anyway, So I had
to do two weeks of Breakfast. So can I just

(01:36:55):
say to Laura the German and Ants the Drinker, I
don't know he did. He added something at BEV beforeing
on the show. And then Sam the Child our child.
Thank you for keeping this show ticking over throughout the year. Honestly,
you would not believe how much of the work they do,
you hear me, but they do so much work behind

(01:37:15):
the scenes. So anyway, think of them thoughts and prayers
to them.

Speaker 22 (01:37:18):
Thanks Heather, thanks for excellent work this entire year, as
you always do. Much appreciate it makes our job very easy.
Burned by Elly Golding to play us out tonight, and
I don't have time to say why because We're going out.
She's got a new album coming out next year.

Speaker 3 (01:37:30):
Yay Flatterer, Thank You, Hey, Merry Christmas. To you on
the other in the mornings next week, by now.

Speaker 2 (01:37:40):
For more from Heather Duplessy Allen Drive, Listen live to
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