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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Pressing the newsmakers to get the real story. It's Ryan
Bridge on hither duper se Ellen Dry with one New
Zealand coverage like no one else.

Speaker 2 (00:10):
You saw Sibby, Good afternoon, seven after four on your
Friday afternoon. Great to have your company. Now, Gloria Vale,
the leader of Gloria Vale is going to prison. But
could he get out early or could he even potentially die?
There is eighty five years old. We'll talk to a
Lauria about that after five. Brook van Valden on the
minimum wage portion sizes the real reason we're all getting
so fat retail spending's up. Jim Kays and Elliott Smith

(00:33):
on the sport Huddle tonight. Bryan Bridge on the face
of it, this coastal shipping decision from James Mega seems
like a bit of an odd one to me. It's
a win for truckies. Like it or not. We're about
to get apparently five hundred extra trucks filled with fifteen
thousand tons of bulks cement on the road each and
every month in this country as a result. But it's

(00:54):
bad for coastal shipping, even though the Minister says it's
actually good for coastal shipping. Let me explain. There's a
cement company that wants to ship its product around the country,
but its current ship is old and buggered basically, so
a new one is coming to the rescue. But in
the meantime they've sorted a temporary ship for three years
to fill the gap. While they did until the Minister

(01:17):
James Megha, Associate Transport, steps in and says, NAT can't
do that. You cannot operate that vessel here because it's
so foreign flagged ship. Mega says he's simply following the law.
You see, the vast majority of goods being moved around
the country from local ports are on Kiwi boats with
Kiwi crew making sure that we have Kiwi jobs and

(01:38):
keep them all very well and good. Except there's apparently
no alternative for the cement guys. Wholesome is the outfit,
so they are forced this is what they say. They
are forced to send everything by road for three years
in the meantime. And here's the bit that's worrying. Aside
from the fact that we're loading the roads up with

(01:58):
more heavy trucks that in many places they clearly can't handle.
Wholesome reckons. This decision will cost it millions of dollars.
And once you sink that investment into freight by road,
there will come a time, they say, when returning to
shipping becomes unviable, so the cement stays on the road.

(02:20):
So in this case, three years with no Kiwi workers
on some boats missing out may turn into forever. And
that doesn't seem like a very smart decision to me,
especially at a time when we're trying to boost coastal
shipping because newsflash, where long islands surrounded by water with
bad roads, and when we're basically limping across the Cook

(02:41):
Strait for the next three years without proper ferries. I mean,
you could do better on a kayak. Frankly, so I
would have thought this makes the whole system a bit
weak and vulnerable. Would an extra ship at a time
like this not be a good idea no matter where
it comes from and who's manning the decks? Cook it,
James Cook for James Meager about this after sixth this evening.

(03:07):
He's the minister that's made the decision. He's made the
big call, so he can answer the big questions right.
Nine two ninety two is the numbers of text love
to hear from you today. Casey Paul has just finished
thirteen years of schooling without a single day off. Most
students would fake a cough every now and then. You
don't lie. You've done it to get out of a test,
or get out a cross country or even pe. Some

(03:30):
kids hate pe. Not Casey. The Deputy Prime Minister David
Seymour has acknowledged her achievements. He's trying to lift attendance nationwide.
Of course, Casey is with me this afternoon. Casey, Hello,
Hello Ryan, how are you very well? Thank you? Casey?
What school have you been going to.

Speaker 3 (03:48):
For the past five years? I've been at Rotoro Girls
High School?

Speaker 2 (03:51):
And is this true? You legitimately haven't had a single
day off, haven't pulled a sicky once.

Speaker 3 (03:58):
It's one hundred percent. I've never pulled a SICKI and
I've never had a day off.

Speaker 2 (04:02):
Have you ever been sick and gone to school anyway?

Speaker 3 (04:07):
No?

Speaker 2 (04:08):
Really, you haven't been sick. No, what are your work?

Speaker 3 (04:11):
Myself so hard that it was just I only got
sick at the end of the year when I got
run down.

Speaker 2 (04:18):
And why A lot of people will be wondering why
you know, when you can have the odds. I mean,
I'm sure you could get away with one or two
a year maybe, Okay, See why did you want to
stick to this and why did you want to hit
that record?

Speaker 3 (04:32):
I mainly wanted to stay at school every single day
because I've always dreamed and wanted to become a paramedic,
and I knew that by staying at school every day,
it would it would make my dream more attainable.

Speaker 2 (04:42):
Why would it make the dream more attainable?

Speaker 3 (04:46):
Because I always knew that I was up to date
with everything going on curriculum, why is at school? And
that I was always keeping up to date on all
of the assignments, exam work, all of my assessments, and
all of my credits were always up to date.

Speaker 2 (05:00):
Casey, have any of your friends taken had any sickies
while you've been at school? And what are the other
kids think of what you've been doing?

Speaker 3 (05:09):
There's some kids that are definitely quite amazed. Like I've
had younger kids come up to me and go, Wow,
that's the girl. It has like a thousand attendants. So
it definitely feels pretty good being recognized and like having
kids look up to me. But there has been times
that my friends have gone, oh, I'm not coming to school,
so that I'm like, Okay, I'm just going to be
at school by myself.

Speaker 2 (05:27):
But that doesn't worry you. You've got bigger You've got
a bigger fish to fry. Case you want to be
a PARAMEDI so what do your parents think? Like, are
your parents the type that will say, you know, are
they very strict with you? Or are they sort of
it's more up to you to decide what's going on
with your life. What sort of parents are they?

Speaker 3 (05:44):
They're very They're very supportive. So when I said that
I want to become a paramedic, my parents were like,
that's a very fitting job for you with the like
my human nature and everything that I have about me.
So they've always been like, if that's what you want
to do, then that's what you want to do when
we'll support you every step of the way.

Speaker 2 (05:59):
Did I even want to go on a family trip
that you ruined?

Speaker 3 (06:04):
I wouldn't say I ruined it, but yes.

Speaker 2 (06:07):
What happened they wanted they wanted you to take a
few days off, did they Yeah.

Speaker 3 (06:12):
There was a family trip that we were going to take.
I think it was over to Hawaii. A couple of
years ago, but it meant having two days off at
the end of one of the school terms. And I
said it was I think I was at almost eleven years,
one hundred percent attendance, And I said, I don't want
to ruin it a mum and dad mean, okay, fair.

Speaker 2 (06:27):
Enough, Casey, What did you make of your you know,
David Seymour sort of acknowledging this and putting a bit
of a spotlight on you.

Speaker 3 (06:37):
I thought it was such a cool achievement. And I
know that David Seamol was working very hard to try
and get the average attendance rate up, not only in
my city but all around the country. So I thought
it was such a cool thing that he was like
putting a spotlight on it.

Speaker 2 (06:50):
And why just this is a bit of a political question, Casey,
so you don't have to answer it, But why do
you think there are kids who aren't going to school
as well often as they should be.

Speaker 3 (07:04):
I don't actually know how to answer that. I would
just say that there's there's probably other things going on
in their life, or it could just be schools not
for them.

Speaker 2 (07:13):
Fair enough, When are you going to be what's happening now?
Because you finished school. So what's happening now? Where are
you going next? Where's the paramedic training happening.

Speaker 3 (07:23):
I'm going to Auckland University of Technology next year.

Speaker 2 (07:26):
Fantastic. I don't doubt that you will never miss a
day of university either. Oksei, thank you very much for
being with me and congratulations on one hundred percent attendance
for thirteen years of schooling.

Speaker 4 (07:39):
Ryan Bridge, it's.

Speaker 2 (07:41):
A Casey Paul with us from Notto do a Girl's High.
Very cool story. Fourteen minutes after four what we'll get
to Darcy with sports next. The number is nine to
nine to two to text.

Speaker 1 (07:51):
It's the Heather Dupers Allen Drive Full Show podcast on
iHeartRadio powered My News.

Speaker 2 (07:57):
Talks EDB, News Talks VB. It is forced seventeene loads
of texts on the wholesome situation. This is the cement
ship well shipping this cement Ryan. Do you think a
global cement giant hasn't known for ten plus years about
the viable life of their ship? Do you think they
suddenly found the ship needed replacement and are now scrambling
for our ship? For three years and three years, I

(08:19):
should say I'm about free enterprise. But I'm not sucking
the call aid here. Thinning out of the wedge to
let low cost foreign flagged vessels on the coastal trade
wouldn't end well, they could easily charter a ship to
do the job for the next three years, crew it
with locals. By the way, the rules are the same
in Australia, this a text says, and they are just
trying to break the back of the New Zealand crude

(08:41):
flagged coastal shipping rules. Well, that is a very fulsome
text and one that I very much appreciate, and this
is why we're getting James Mega on the program. He's
going to be with us after six Is he going
to say that? Is he going to say these guys
are just basically this is a pr publicity stunt from
them and I'm not accepting it. Is he going to

(09:03):
go that far and say that, or is there more
to the story? Well, asked James Meagher. He's the Associate
Transport Minister on the show up to sixth this evening
it is four eighteen.

Speaker 1 (09:11):
Sport with tab Multy's Fast Easy and more codes are
eighteen bit responsibly.

Speaker 2 (09:16):
Hen is here? Hey, Jason, Hey, Ryan, Hey, you mate
very well, Thank you. Has Bundle played his last ever Test?

Speaker 5 (09:21):
Yeah, it's a literesting question, this isn't it. Tom Blunder
would have been playing in Wellington had he not torn
his hamstring in christ Church. That opened the door for
Mitch Hay who came in and did a pretty decent
job behind the stumps, made sixty odd with the bats.
So you'd think, okay, well he's staking his claim. But
I guess we have to remember Tom Blundell wasn't dropped
for bad form or anything like that. He was injured
and has been a great servant for particularly the Test

(09:44):
side for quite some time. Mitch Hay's going to play
a lot of cricket for New Zealand. I don't think
there's any question about that. But I think it would
be a really big core for the selectors to say, right, Tom,
that's it for you. There's a big twelve months of
Test cricket coming up and I think he's probably earned
the right to be involved in those Test matches in England,
back here against India and then over in Australia next summer.

Speaker 2 (10:05):
All right, and to football Auklanniffs, they've got a bunch
of away games, Pony. Yeah.

Speaker 5 (10:10):
Indeed, five of the next six games are away, starting
tonight on the central coast of New South Wales where
they play the Mariners in Gosford. It is actually theoretically
anyway harder to win on the road, particularly in the
A League. Wee you're crossing the Tasman to play time zones, airports,
you know everything that goes with that travel. But Auckland
f C's away record is actually about as good as

(10:30):
their home record. They've only ever lost two of sixteen
away games, which is quite a remarkable record really, and
they're starting to find form, as evidence by the derby
winover Wellington last week. So look, I feel as though
when Auckland left C go on to a patch of
grass here or over the Tasman. They're in pretty good shape,
so I don't think it'll be too much of an
inconvenience for them.

Speaker 2 (10:51):
Great Ponty, appreciate your time, safter and thank you. We'll
see you tomorrow. It is for four news talks, there'd
be that's Jason Pine, sports talk host. Now there's so
much love coming in for Casey, who's our high school student.
Will just finished high school actually thirteen years never had
a sick date, Ryan Casey for Prime Minister. What a
wonderful attitude for this is from Darryl. What a star.

(11:14):
Give that girl a job? Well, I mean she's going
to get a job, isn't she Because she's clearly determined
to do something with her life and I think that's fantastic.
Another one here says Ryan, this is completely unrelated and
it's about the Hiata Community campus in christ Church. You know,
the mushy food, the old food principle. They had their

(11:38):
internal investigation inquiry into this whole moldy school lunch thing
and somebody's asking that was supposed to be out today,
what's going on with it? Well, we have an update
for you on that. Next news talk SAVB.

Speaker 4 (11:51):
Cutting through the noise to get the facts.

Speaker 1 (11:53):
It's Ryan Bridge on either duplicy Ellen Drive with one
New Zealand coverage like no one else talks.

Speaker 2 (12:00):
That'd be so after five we'll talk to Brook van Velden.
She's increased the minimum wage two percent. Remember last time
she did it last year it was one and a
half percent, So that predictably the unions have come out.
Labour's come out. Jan Tinetti from Labor has come out
and she's very very upset. She says, we should do more.
We you know, why isn't the government doing more? If
National was serious about helping businesses, they would get real

(12:23):
about the rising cost of living and start investing in
people and businesses. How does that make sense? New Zealand
cannot afford another three years of National This is assigned
by jan Toinetti of Labor. Now, the only question you
need to ask yourself about this whole situation is what
did labour put the minimum wage up by it? And
the answer is close to fifty percent. In the six

(12:44):
years that they were in powered Labour put the minimum
wage up by almost fifty percent, forty four percent, forty
five percent, something like that. It went from fifteen dollars
seventy five an hour to twenty two dollars fifty an hour.
And the very simple question that you need to ask yourself,
did you, at the end of those six years feel

(13:05):
richer or poorer? Signing a piece of paper? You know,
artificially pumping up a wage does not solve the cost
of living crisis. In fact, you could argue that in
some cases it helps create it. So I will put
all those things to Brook van Valden, including the Jan
Tinetti criticism after five this Evening Ryan Educational Surveys. This

(13:26):
is from one of our listeners support the fact that
attendance is the single biggest driver of educational outcomes less school,
less learning, poor outcomes. It's a no brainer. And this
other text points out that if David Seymour does nothing
else in his time as a minister but highlight that
truancy issue and the lack of attendance, then he will

(13:47):
have succeeded. And I was thinking about this the other day.
You know, Erica Stamford, And I'm not saying that she
should be leader whatever, blah blah. Just just hear me out.
If you were to put anyone who was going to
be seriously appealing to the public, it's not Bishop, it's
it would be Erica. So she would be the leader
of the National Party. However, you want her on education,

(14:09):
don't you Like? There is no more important job in
New Zealand right now than education because it's cooked. So
if you take her off education and put her as leader,
then you put all of that at risk. So for
that reason, you keep luxon, you know what I mean.
It's just it's a no brainer that, like you said, Texter,
is a no brainer. The number to text very quickly.

(14:31):
This is the NATO boss and Mark Rutter. And every
time I go to Europe these days, someone's saying war
is coming. Well, he is really ramping it up now
and says basically, get ready for war. Russia's gonna come
after US, and we're the next target.

Speaker 6 (14:44):
We need to be crystal clear about screat V are
RUSSIAUS next target and you are already in Harmsburg. I
fear that too many are quietly complacent, too many don't
feel the urgency, and too many believe the time is
on our shot.

Speaker 4 (15:01):
It is not.

Speaker 6 (15:02):
The time for action is now.

Speaker 2 (15:05):
Also, there is an update for you from Zelensky on Ukraine.
You know what's happening with don Bass region. Apparently Trump
wants to turn it into a an exclusive economic zone,
like a demilitarized zone, but with a bit more of
a business focus as he would like, as only he
would like. Anyway, we'll talk about that after news at
four thirty. Very sober here too, and we will get

(15:28):
to our correspondent in the US, Jonathan Jonathan Kursley, All
Ahead News Talk said.

Speaker 1 (15:32):
Big, hard questions, strong opinion Ryan Bridge on hither dup
c Ellen Drive with One New Zealand and the power
of satellite mobile news talks, it'd.

Speaker 7 (15:48):
Be will I so, Judith, so can you copy yourzo.

Speaker 8 (16:00):
Me?

Speaker 2 (16:03):
Good afternoon? Twenty five minutes away from five year on
news talks, they'd be we'll get to Barry Sloping with
politics shortly, and we'll get to Jonathan Kurzley, our US
correspondent in a few seconds from now. Lots to talk about,
including the guy that is accused of killing killing the
gosh I've just his name, has just escaped, Charlie Kirk,
the YouTuber. He's appeared in court and he's, by the way,

(16:26):
wearing just so you get a visual wearing normal civilian
clothes because the judge allowed him to do that. Anyway,
walks into court. First thing he does is smile because
his family's there. Second thing he does is sit down
talk to his lawyer, and the media describes it as
a smirk on his face. They're now labeling him the
smiling assassin and the priest over there. We'll talk to

(16:47):
our correspondent in just a second. First, let's hear what
else is going on in the world.

Speaker 1 (16:51):
It's the world wires on newstalks'd be drive.

Speaker 2 (16:55):
So the Venezuelan oil tanker seized by the US well
ABC News reckons it may have been manipulating its location data.
A tanker tracking website says the ship has been carrying
oil between Iran, China and Venezuela for basically the whole year.
The President Trump has been asked why the tanker was seized,
and this is what he said.

Speaker 9 (17:15):
Well, it's about a lot of things. But one of
the things that's about is the fact that they've allowed
millions of people to come into our country from their prisons,
from gangs, from a drug dealers, and so it.

Speaker 4 (17:25):
Has to do with a lot of things.

Speaker 9 (17:26):
They've treated us badly, and I guess now we're not
treating them so good.

Speaker 2 (17:29):
To Australia, the opposition leader, they're calling for reform to
the expenses system. This is after the Arnika Wells scandal.

Speaker 10 (17:36):
We stand ready in a bipartisan sense. I'm working through summer.
I can sit down with a Prime minister anytime and
go through measures that he would like to propose to
implement to restore that public trust.

Speaker 2 (17:51):
All right, Susan, Does anyone else think that was just
an excuse for her to tell the world that she
is working through summer. I think so. Now, finally, this afternoon,
a woman in San Francisco. This is actually quite a
beautiful story. Well is it beautiful? It's got a weird ending.
A woman in San Francisco has given birth in the

(18:11):
backseat of a driverless taxi. So just imagine that there's
no one else in the car but this woman and
now her baby. Self driving car company Waimo says it's
writers support team detected unusual activity in the car and
contacted emergency services. Mum and baby were dropped off at
a hospital by the driver's car. It was quite amazing.

(18:33):
Taxi was immediately removed from service. For a good scrub
and a.

Speaker 1 (18:38):
Clean international correspondence with ends and eye insurance peace of
mind for New Zealand business.

Speaker 2 (18:49):
Let's go to Jonathan Kursley, a US correspondent. Jonathan, the
man accused of Charlie Kirk's murder has appeared, So what's happened.

Speaker 11 (18:57):
This was the first time that the suspect, Tyler Robinson,
had appeared in person in a courtroom in relation to
this case. His previous hearings had been done via video
length of the facility he has been held in. He'd
been seen in essentially prison orange gear. Today a very
different look for the accused killer, who was wearing what
has been described as a business shirt or a dress

(19:18):
shirt or a button down shirt, depending on which avenue
you want to look at it, and the tie. He
walked in, as you said, and smiled at people who
were in the family section of the courtroom, and then
there was somewhat of a smirk. This hearing lasted a
number of hours. It essentially looked at media access to
the trial. There's going to be decision made on that

(19:38):
at the end of this month, just before New Year's Eve,
in that weird week between Christmas and Year, the judge
will make a determination on that. They did have to
briefly shut down the live stream though, because the defense
was essentially arguing that the cameras were showing shackles on
Tyler Robinson, which essentially went against a court order. What
they are trying to do is to give him as
much of a presumption of innocence as possible before any

(20:01):
jury pool comes into a courtroom and sits in the
jury box during what is going to be a very
highly watched trial wind the clock back. It was September ten,
Charlie Kirk was assassinated. There was a huge man hunt
after the suspect fled the scene, and then he eventually
surrendered himself the following day and has been in custody

(20:21):
ever since. Little more detail released about the prosecution case.
If you like today, We've heard so much of that before,
but today was essentially about media access and a chance
for the public to see Tyler Robinson sitting inside a
courtroom at the defense stand, and at some point, unless
he pleads guilty, he will go to the a trial

(20:42):
and sit in that very spot in front of the
jury of his peers, who may well be the ones
that tasked with determining his fate.

Speaker 2 (20:51):
Now we've got a drum roll, please, Jonathan, you're going
to tell us who the time pos are?

Speaker 4 (20:57):
Oh, there we go.

Speaker 2 (20:59):
So here it is Time Person of the Year? Who
is it? Or who are they?

Speaker 11 (21:04):
Who are they? It's the Time People of the Year.
I think it is this year because essentially it is
the engineers behind AI, behind artificial intelligence. The front cover
of the image that has been sent around the world
features the likes of Elon Mask and Mark Zuckerberg and
Sam Altman, of course, the head of openI open aichat GPT,

(21:25):
all sitting in that famous sort of pillar shot high
above the skyscrapers of New York and iconic image being
recreated using AI to send the message that artificial intelligence
is the person or the group of people of the
year this year. And coincidentally, the President Donald Trump later
went into the Oval Office to sign an executive order

(21:48):
making reform restrictions on AI regulation around that a federal issue,
saying essentially that this will be something under his control.
The States will have no power to make any changes
blocking or trying to make changes to regulations around artificial intelligence.
Stald Trump has a fascination with AI. It is something
that he leans into very heavily, and particularly when you

(22:12):
look at his inauguration, there were so many of those
tech giants who were seated in a front row position
at that inauguration ceremony. So he loves Silicon Valley, he
loves billionaires, he loves tech giants, and clearly he loves
artificial intelligence too.

Speaker 2 (22:27):
Absolutely all right, I appreciate that Jonathan Jonathan Kearsley are
US correspondent with US this afternoon nineteen minutes away from
five talking and thinking about Venezuela just a little bit
last night was doing some reading because everyone's saying, well,
why is he really doing this? Is it because they're,
you know, dictatorship. He doesn't like dictator as well? No,
we know he likes some dictators Is it because they
are a bunch of commies? Doesn't like commies? Is it

(22:49):
because you know what is driving his fascination with Venezuela?
Is it drugs? That's his excuse. But then you talk
to experts about this, and they'll tell you that the
drugs coming out of Venezuela basically coke boats, not ventanyl boats,
and ventyl boats are the things that you should really
be caring about. If you're the US president, you get
coke boats coming out of half the countries in Latin America.

(23:12):
So why just Venezuela oil? And the interesting thing about
oil is that the Americans are pumping out, in terms
of their production, more oil now than they have ever before,
thank you to fracking. And so you think, well, do
they actually how badly do they really need Venezuelan oil? Well,
apparently there is quite a big difference in how thick

(23:32):
the oil is that comes from Venezuela compared to the
oil that you frack out of the States, and the
Venezuelan oil is thick, and the Americans have oil refineries
that need thick oil. So although they're producing more oil,
the Americans are now also importing a hell of a
lot more oil, and they need thick oil to keep

(23:54):
their refineries going. Very hard to build a big new refinery.
So apparently this is a lot to do, as it
always is with war. To do with a wheel buried sop.

Speaker 1 (24:03):
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Speaker 2 (24:08):
Quarter to five news talks be burries here. Hey, best,
good afternoon, right. I quite like that Parliament is having
to sit You're cruel, Well, am I cruel we're having
we're having to work at barry Is. Most of our
listeners will still be on their way home from most.

Speaker 12 (24:24):
Of our colleagues are at the the HAP.

Speaker 2 (24:28):
Yeah, exactly, So I'm happy that. I'm happy they're under urgency.

Speaker 12 (24:32):
Well, yes, but it's laborious. I mean, if you have
to sit there, it's like torture. And the old days,
of course, they used to in fact have them sitting
all night to the extent that balamies used to deliver
a tray of toast round to the press. Yes, after that,

(24:54):
I mean it was just those days were terrible and
you don't want to see them repeated. But at the
moment they are, and they'll be very tired today because
they were sitting at twenty to two this morning and
then starting again at nine o'clock. What happened was, and
it's the opposition's own fault, because they put forward more

(25:16):
than two hundred amendments to the Electoral Amendment Act and
that all every amendment had to be voted on before
they could rise the rules. So Labor brought it upon themselves. Well,
I've been filibustering all the way through, and that doesn't
look like letting up at all. And it could conceivably

(25:37):
sit until midnight tomorrow.

Speaker 2 (25:39):
Nightasticy Saturday as well.

Speaker 12 (25:42):
It could be could be forgiven for thinking that Labor
was against the controversial bill about penalties for coward punchers,
king hits, assaults on first responders and the like police,
fire and ambulance. You could be the forged forgiven for

(26:03):
thinking that Labor was opposed to it. If you listen
to Jenny Anderson, who was first up on the debate.

Speaker 13 (26:10):
Offenders would be preparing themselves with weapons more so than
they are now, and that this would escalate situations where
they've already found themselves in a dangerous situation. And this
begs the question, Madam Speaker, if the police don't support it,
if the Ministry of Justice don't support it, if retail
New Zealand don't support it, and small business owners themselves

(26:30):
don't even.

Speaker 14 (26:31):
Support it, who does.

Speaker 13 (26:32):
And the answer to that is the Committee of one
Sunny Koshol, who's been given this as an idea to.

Speaker 2 (26:39):
Try and fix it.

Speaker 13 (26:40):
That's the only person we know who actually has supported this.

Speaker 12 (26:45):
I think she forgot that her colleagues of the Labor
Party supported it well. But in fairness I suppose they
supported it through to the first reading. And so when
it goes this is select committee and comes back, they'll
probably vote it downs.

Speaker 2 (27:01):
Right, Okay, and the debate. What's the latest the debate?

Speaker 12 (27:07):
I'll tell you what. The Taxpayers Union, I think have
never had so much publicity as this one. And it's
quite ingenious in a way, because I guess Nikola Willis
laid the ground rules anywhere, anytime, any place, She'll debate
Ruth Richardson on the economy and where it should be going.

(27:28):
The Taxpayers Union are now saying that they would certainly
certainly expect to take part in the debate, even though
they say that Nikola Willis is renegged on her anytime,
any place challenge to Ruth Richardson. They now it seems
the person who moderate debate debate is Cameron Bagry the economists.

(27:54):
He's the A and z's former economist, former advisors to
the National parties on public finance, and they see him
as being neutral. It was meant to take place in
the old Legislative Council chamber, then it was shifted to
a select committee room, and now it's being just in
the last few minutes it's been shifted what it could

(28:17):
be shifted to a studio that can allow for live streaming.
So the dark Horse and all of this though even
though the nominated Cameron Baggery could be wait for it.
Winston Peters I talked towards a well his.

Speaker 2 (28:37):
Name was floated. What's going on?

Speaker 12 (28:40):
Well, his name was floated, and I thought, wouldn't that
be fascinating? Because Winston was of course around the National
Party in the nineties during the Mother of All budgets,
so he knows firsthand how that went down. And of
course he's now in coalition with Nikola.

Speaker 2 (28:57):
Willis's hardly part and it wasn't measure after all, and
your skin in the game for instance, impartial model.

Speaker 12 (29:05):
Yeah, well he said, here, do it if called upon
for the good of the nation. So I guess we'll
have to see, but I think it probably will be
Cameron Bagriy.

Speaker 2 (29:13):
Yeah, okay, Now the Space Minister. There is nothing I
love more than talking to Judith Collins about space. Her
face lights up like a Christmas tree when you mentioned it,
isn't it. And she's a great example of someone who's
reinvented themselves over and over in politics and genuinely loves
when she gets thrown a good portfolio.

Speaker 12 (29:32):
Ministry Ever would have thought that New Zealand would have
a space ministry. I'll tell you what. I went on
the New Zealand inaugural flight to Vancouver back in two
thousand and seven about this time, and in fact, we
went to Whistler as part of the trip, and we
were on these very high platforms over trees, doing flying

(29:56):
foxes across very deep ravines and I'll study on the
platform with one guy and I looked at him. He
looked rather strange. He had one of those funny caps
on that had flaps over the years, and I thought,
you're a strange dude, So what are you doing here?
And he said, oh, I'm into rockets. I went, oh, really,
I thought this guy's a bit of a bit of

(30:17):
a nutter. So off I went flying across the gully
and it was none other than Peter bed So what
they're doing is they're putting up one point eight million
dollars for a pilot boosting Kiwi Space Space companies to
take part more so in the Kiwi Space aviated that

(30:39):
or activator they call it, and that'll assist with the
development and university ideas to potentially form part of a
space mission in the future. It sounds like fantasy.

Speaker 2 (30:52):
Get Judas up to the moon, you know, whenever she
wants to go, whenever she's ready to go, whenever ready
to go. Let's make it happen.

Speaker 12 (30:58):
Yeah, exactly. We could send Ruth Richardson and Nikola what's
up there?

Speaker 2 (31:01):
They'd debate there, we'd have there's no debt, no debt
in space. Berry Verry Sofa with Politics eight to five
News Talks, the bet.

Speaker 1 (31:10):
The headlines and the hard questions. It's the Mic Asking Breakfast.

Speaker 14 (31:15):
Primary Principles payoffer has been rejected. Robin Brown is the
principle of Birrtuville School and a member of the NZDI
negotiating team. You've been offered up to twenty one thousand
dollars plus four point six percent, but you still want
another fifteen on top of that.

Speaker 7 (31:27):
What we want is recognition for the unsustainable workload and
curriculum upheable.

Speaker 14 (31:33):
If they say to you we give you fifteen thousand dollars,
we will take the offer.

Speaker 15 (31:35):
We will take that offer out to our principles and
see whether they would take that off.

Speaker 14 (31:39):
Robin, that's a lot of money. You guys are basically
asking for an increase of thirty six thousand dollars plus
four point six percent. No one else gets that kind
of money.

Speaker 1 (31:48):
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Speaker 2 (31:56):
To five News Talks. They'd be great to have your
company this Friday afternoon. Now. Portion sizes is the reason
that we're all getting so obese. And I don't mean
if you are obese. I'm not being trying to be offensive.
I'm just saying as a as a species, we are
getting bigger. So apparently this is all to do with
our portion sizes. This is a study in the Lancet today,

(32:17):
and that all of the portion sizes are calibrated towards
an adult male. They say smaller options should be available
for women, children, and shorter people. Now this fascinates me
because in my life, the women in my life do
generally eat a bit less than the men. That's a
general sweeping statement. I do have friends, female friends who

(32:39):
eat as much as I do, or more than I do,
even But the question you have to ask yourself is
is the obesity thing only affecting women, children, and short people. No,
the obesity thing is affecting all of us, isn't it,
regardless of your heightle size. I don't think this has
got anything to do with the portion size. It's what's

(33:02):
on the plate. It's the food that It's the sugar
and the fat and the carbs and the lack of protein.
In my mind anyway, But a nutritionist will debate this.
After news we'll also talk to Van Valden about the
minimum wage. All Ahead News Talks B.

Speaker 16 (33:26):
You know.

Speaker 1 (33:35):
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Speaker 2 (33:49):
B seven after five grade to have your company this
evening at former Glory of our leader. Howard Temple's going
to jail, or maybe he won't. He's been sentenced to
twenty six months in prison for sexual offending today. He
immediately appeals the sentence and was allowed out on bail.
He had indecently assaulted young women and girls over a
twenty year period at Gloria Vale, as recently as twenty

(34:10):
twenty two. It comes as newly released OA documents. So
just how explicitly the government has been warning alarm bells
to its agencies that Gloria Vale is not a safe
place for women and girls. Dennis Gates is a lawyer
who has previously represented Gloriavale Levers and is with me
this evening. Dennis, Good evening, Hi, what do you make

(34:30):
of that sentence?

Speaker 16 (34:31):
First of all, well, I think it's far too late.
You mentioned the timeframe of twenty years. This fellow has
been one of the founding members of Gloria Vale. He
set it up. You helped construct the legal architecture, of
the social architecture, of the faith architecture, and he's taken

(34:53):
advantage of that for fifty years at the cost of
the woman and children of Glorybale and his way too light.

Speaker 2 (35:01):
He and his lawyers clearly think it's too long.

Speaker 16 (35:06):
I have no doubt they think that's the case. You've
got to remember this was a representative admission by how
A Temple that he had abused these people, and to
my own knowledge, there are a lot a lot more
women and children that suffered at his hands. We've discussed

(35:26):
it throughout the court cases that I've been involved in.

Speaker 2 (35:30):
He's eighty five. What's the deal with being released early
a few you know on health grounds? What happens there?

Speaker 16 (35:39):
I think that's done on an individual case. It's not
something that's unfamiliar with.

Speaker 2 (35:44):
The OAA documents that you have show what exactly.

Speaker 16 (35:51):
All. They show a pattern and a knowledge within the
government agencies of history and an entrench culture of sexual abuse,
mental abuse, health abuse, the children are educated by abused
by not being properly educated. The whole thing is rife
with abuse. They report that to the ministers, and this

(36:15):
is being done over decades. Nothing happens. All the politicians
do is posture and puff, say they're going to do
various things, and at the end of the day they
do nothing.

Speaker 2 (36:28):
Is that because it's too hard to do something? And
what do you actually do? You know, people say shut
it down? What are you shut down? Like the school?
I can understand the ministry having an involvement in, but
how do you actually shut down a community of people.

Speaker 16 (36:43):
Well, a lot of parallels are drawn with domestic violence,
and what you basically have here is institutionalized domestic violence
on a macro scale. And the government has the power
the resources to go in and take those children and
out by force if necessary. If the parents want to

(37:04):
come with them, fine, but they can't just sit back
and allow these people and children to be abused year
after years at the cost of the health insanity of
those inside. It's ridiculous, it's outrageous. If this was a gang,
they would have been shut down decades ago.

Speaker 2 (37:23):
Dennis, appreciate your time tonight. Dennis Gates Lawyer previously represented
Glory of Our Levers. It is ten after five Brian
Bridge Midiman wages going up to twenty three dollars ninety
five an hour. This is from April. That's a two
percent increase. Annual inflation in the year to September was
three percent. Labor Party says, this is Peddley. It is
a in real terms pay cut. Brook van Walden is

(37:46):
the Minister for Workplace Relations and Safety with me tonight, Brook,
good evening, Good evening, Ryan. Why two percent? You went
with one and a half last year? Why two this year?

Speaker 17 (37:56):
Well, we've gone with two percent because I think it
is a real balancing between the cost of living pressure
that some people are rightly facing and also the additional
cost to businesses when we know businesses have been struggling
for the last few years and unfortunately the economic recovery
that we hope would happen really quickly has taken a
little bit longer to get moving. And so, you know,

(38:19):
one of the things I was really concerned about this
year was youth unemployment. And you know, if we want
more young people to be able to get those jobs,
and we know young people are disproportionately paid the minimum wage.
If that's set too high, then they're also more exposed
to employers responding to that by reducing hours or not

(38:40):
hiring any new people. So when we've got youth unemployment
at around fifteen percent, I want more young people in
those really early on career jobs. And if we get
this balancing act right, I think next year will be
a really good year.

Speaker 16 (38:55):
But I think the.

Speaker 17 (38:55):
Other thing that's kind of missing here is I'm setting
it for April next year. Treasury and the Reserve Bank
are expecting inflation around two percent next year, so this
is in line.

Speaker 2 (39:07):
I agree that the whole labor line about inflation. The
dates don't match up. That's fine, let's put that to
one side. Did you get any advice on two percent?
How many jobs would not be created as a result
of you increasing that?

Speaker 17 (39:22):
So the advice that I had from MB was to
go with a two percent increase, which is, you know,
me following their advice. They didn't necessarily have too much
concern with two percent on the use unemployment rate or
unemployment rates they normal, But the overall advice was if
it's set too high, the effect is that there are

(39:44):
labor markets, cones, and.

Speaker 2 (39:45):
In my experience, Minister, having covered these for many years now,
they do give you a specific number. At this level,
you risk so many jobs X y Z not being created.
Did they not provide you that level of detail this
time round?

Speaker 17 (40:00):
Look, I'm sure those specific numbers are somewhere, but they
weren't anywhere that was leading to any great concern for me.
So I've parked that to one side. So the main
concern from me here is that we know that businesses
have been struggling. You know, GDP has not taken off
as quickly as we wanted it to be. I do
have hope for next year, but if we have businesses

(40:22):
who are seeing increased costs themselves, they.

Speaker 2 (40:25):
May not crematic approach. Yeah, but they may not create jobs.

Speaker 16 (40:29):
Right.

Speaker 2 (40:29):
That's the risk when you put in the minimum wage
up is that jobs aren't created, but you're not across
how many might not be. Let's park that for a
second and go to the other side of the coin.
Jan Tinetti says, this is piddly and pathetic.

Speaker 17 (40:44):
Oh, it's just not true. I mean for people who
are the most affected here, it's mostly young people who
are on the minimum wage. They'll be seeing an increase
in line with what the Reserve Bank and Treasury expect
as forecast inflation. But we also have to be very
aware that we are in difficult economic times. You know

(41:05):
a lot of people across the board are not seeing
increases or large increases to their pay. What we're wanting
to ensure is that we have a growing business confidence
so that businesses know that they can go on and
create more jobs into the future. That's where my expectation
lies that next year will be a good year with

(41:26):
more job opportunities.

Speaker 2 (41:27):
Minister, appreciate your time. Thank you, Brook van Velden, Minister
of Workplace Relations and Safety, putting them in the in
wage up today two percent quarter past five and Bridge
now loads of texts on portions and I'm glad that
you're interested in this because we're going to talk to
a nutritionist about it next. So the Lancet has this
new study out, a new study every day that tells
you something either useless or that you already knew anyway.

(41:49):
This is one of those. So they say that it's
a portion size the reason we're all getting so fat,
and that the portion sizes are basically prejudiced because they
are based on a male, an adult male. And so
if you're a woman, or if you're a child, if
you're a short person, and I'm looking at you guys
out there in the control room, if you're a short person,

(42:12):
then you are eating too much. And it's not your fault.
It's what you're being served when you go to a restaurant.
So if we just changed the portion sizes, all our
problems would magically go away. I think it's nonsense. This
person disagrees.

Speaker 18 (42:25):
Ryan.

Speaker 2 (42:25):
In America, the average amount of food eaten by a
person in nineteen seventy was seventeen hundred pounds. In the
year two thousand, it was twenty three hundred pounds. It's
all about portion size and the amount that we eat.
This was I saw in a National Geographic article. I
think it's that's that's the small issue. That is the

(42:50):
that's the woman's size plate of issues. The bigger problem here,
the main meal is what you're putting in your mouth.
It's carbs and it's sugar, and it's bad stuff. Anyway,
we'll talk to a nutritionist see what they think next.
Five nineteen news talks that be women, children, and shorter
people should be offered smaller portions than the average meal size.

(43:10):
This is an advisor to the UK government. This is
what they think. Professor Navid Satar says portion size is
partly to blame for our obesity crisis. He wants food
outlets to offer two different portion sizes to people to
account for adult males and then smaller people. So presumably
you're putting short people, children and women all into one camp.

(43:32):
Nutritionist Mickey Willarden is with me and let's discuss Mickey,
good evening, Hey Ryan, how are you good? Thank you?
Is how much of a you know, in terms of
the big obesity problem, how much of a contributor is
portion size?

Speaker 15 (43:48):
Well, I mean, I guess if we're thinking about restaurants,
people eat out maybe one to three times a week,
so in terms of the number of meals, not that much.
But the modern food environment where food is available everywhere
and the portion sizes are pretty like big competitor, you know,
when we were I don't know, kids, I think it

(44:08):
is actually a big contributor.

Speaker 2 (44:11):
Right, more so than what's on the plate. It's how
big the plate is.

Speaker 15 (44:15):
Well, what's on the plate obviously contributes to because many
of the foods that are sort of higher or sorry,
bigger portion sizes are also hyperpalatable, which just means that
our brains are going to sort of be queued into
eating more than we need because of the way that
they're processed. So it's definitely both.

Speaker 2 (44:37):
And in terms of portion sizes, is it true that
women eat less than men? Like, have we done studies
and confirmed that or is it just that because they're,
you know, on the whole a little smaller than men
that they we think they will.

Speaker 15 (44:52):
Yeah, I think it's probably both. Actually, Ryan like women
carry less muscle mass there and this is all generalzation obviously,
but generally speaking, men have more muscle mass, their metabolloic
rates are higher, they do require more energy. But of course,
I mean that's very generalized because each individual is different.

(45:13):
But I think on a population basis, it's a pretty
safe assumption, though I will say I wouldn't necessarily sort
of base it on sex.

Speaker 16 (45:23):
For example.

Speaker 2 (45:24):
Yeah, what about this idea of a portion's a different
portion size at a restaurant, Like, it doesn't make much
sense to me because when you go out, you're normally
going out because you're going to have a nice meal,
and it doesn't matter whether you're a man or a woman,
you're you know, you're finishing that plate, you know. So
is it really a good idea?

Speaker 15 (45:42):
Well, I guess it depends on where you eat at, right,
because there are some restaurants where it's not about the
portion size, it's about the food, it's about the ambience,
the environment. I believe that the professor was sort of
just talking about meals outside the home, which does sort
of encompass you know, snack bars and foods and things
like that. And I do think actually offering smaller portions

(46:05):
isn't a bad idea. I mean, no one's going to
be missing out. I mean, I think to say that
it's a male versus female thing, I don't necessarily think
that's the thing to focus on, but I do think
offering smaller portion sizes isn't a bad option.

Speaker 2 (46:19):
Mickey Willard and Nutrition has appreciate your time. Thanks for
being on the program. Five twenty two News talks the.

Speaker 4 (46:24):
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Speaker 1 (46:27):
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Speaker 4 (46:33):
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Speaker 2 (46:34):
Five twenty five, so they reckon NDTA that a multi
car crash on an Auckland motorway will cost between one
point four and three and a half million dollars. This
is just in delays to the network. You know, we're
all waiting someone crashes, We're all waiting in traffic. The
goods that are in the trucks around us, they can't
get delivered. So there's a cost to all of this.

(46:55):
They used to make. Two hundred million dollars a year
is what we would save if nobody crashed on the
motorway that's in Auckland alone. Apparently, now there's a bunch
of academics out there who are arguing this means that
we should lower the speed limits, we should all drive slower.
And remember we've kind of done the opposite. So they

(47:17):
are arguing here that we got it wrong by increasing
the speeds and we should take this cost into account.
Except the debate was never really Now I don't know
about you, but I never really heard the debate being
about motorway speeds. Was that it was more about rural
and suburban roads. That's what my understanding of it was. Also,
if you have been on a motorway and witnessed a

(47:39):
crash before you will know that they happen no matter
what the speed is. In fact, loads of them happen
when there's traffic crawling along because people were just busy texting,
not actually driving their cars. So let's say tomorrow that
we increased the speed limit by ten k, so one
hundred and ten k on a motorway for example, would
we see more crashes? Yeah, maybe a few, I'm probably.

(48:00):
I'm sure we'd probably see existing crashes, crashes that we're
going to happen anyway, get a little bit more gnarly maybe,
But does this sound to you like a good enough
reason to lower speed limits? No, I don't think so.
I don't think it passes the sniff test. It all
smells a bit wingy mingy to me. From the Ryan
Bridge twenty six minutes after five Now loads of texts
coming in on the size of your plate when you

(48:22):
go out for dinner. We'll get some of those after
our new sport weather. Also, we have an update on
the debate to do with Winston Peters. This is Ruth
Richardson Nicola Willis Winston Peters. Barry's gotten self involved and
apparently Nikola has agreed to let Winston Peters moderate it.
So it's now sounding very interesting. It's up to you now, taxpayers.

(48:44):
Union ball is in your court. What do you want
to do? Hopefully we'll get a response after this News Talk.

Speaker 1 (48:50):
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Speaker 2 (49:12):
Twenty five away from six or on news Talk, said B.
We will get to James Meagher, who's Associate Transport Minister
after six on the story about the cement. If it
doesn't go by sea, does it go by row? Does
that mean the roads get clogged? You know? Does it
rip the roads up? What about the workers who are
on the ships that should be taking this stuff. We'll
talk about all of that after six this evening. Right now,

(49:35):
though retailers are smiling today, this is after finally we
are seeing people part with some of their hard earned cash.
For November, retail card spending up one point six percent
for the month compared to the previous year, setting a
positive tone ahead of Christmas. Nick Touughley is asb's chief
economist with me Nick Good evening evening, So we're finally
feeling a bit better. We're finally going out and spending stuff.

Speaker 19 (49:58):
Yes, we are. We look like we had a pretty
good time and have been spending up of it on
the durablels. So those green shoots starting to flourish a
bit more.

Speaker 2 (50:07):
Are we just spending more because things are more expensive,
or are we actually buying more stuff?

Speaker 19 (50:13):
Well, it does look like we are buying more stuff.
We did see in the third quarter that the retail
sales volumes as well as the values were up quite strongly,
so nearly two percent over the quarter.

Speaker 18 (50:22):
So it looks.

Speaker 19 (50:23):
Again like this will be a lift in both the
volume and the value of what we're spending, so not
just about prices. It doesn't like we're buying more stuff.

Speaker 2 (50:32):
Great, What about we're getting a GDP number next week,
of course, for quarter three, which is backwards looking for September.
But you're expecting it to be better than what you
originally thought, are you.

Speaker 19 (50:44):
Yes, we're expecting point eight percent now, so not too
long ago. We're expecting point five, in point six, in
point seven now point eight, and the manufacturing survey that
was out today suggested that Q four is going to
be pretty good, So at the moment, we're forecasting presently
one percent for that quarter. So it doesn't like the
second half of the year has seen quite.

Speaker 2 (51:04):
A bit of a rebound and also the first half.
I keep going on about this because it kind of
annoyed me. And this is the problem with the data
is it's never accurate on the day it comes out, right.
But do you think we will revise down? They will
revise down next week the very bad number we got
for quarter two.

Speaker 19 (51:21):
Look, it's very possible that that point nine per cent
contraction gets revised to something a bit smaller. But you've
also got to be very mindful though that when we
with this December release, we get a lot of annual
revisions coming through, so we could see some revisions going
back quite some time. But look, it would be a
good Christmas present if we see that big contraction in
the second quarter get revised to something a bit smaller

(51:42):
than what it was.

Speaker 2 (51:43):
Next year, they reckon, we're going to grow faster than Australia,
We're going to go faster than the Americans, are going
to go faster than the British. And the year after
that too, do you well, we do.

Speaker 19 (51:53):
Have over two and a half percent growth predicted for
next year and some things we're not too bad the
year after that, so look at it is possible. I
think one thing we've got to bear in mind before
we pat ourselves on the back too much, is that
we've come from one of the weaker economies recently, so
we're sort of getting back and growing above trend because
we've been in a bit a bit of a rut.
Whereas other countries, you know, slightly different circumstances. Australia's held

(52:16):
up much better than we have over the last couple
of years. If anything. That's still grappling with high inflation
in the US has been sort of strangling itself a
little bit with tariffs for example.

Speaker 2 (52:26):
In fascinating stuff, we'll look forward to next week's number.
Nick Tuffley asb it's twenty two away from six.

Speaker 1 (52:31):
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Speaker 14 (52:46):
Goes after it as Williamson again, there's just three runs
needed to victory. Who lives and wanted to take it
on get the job done.

Speaker 16 (52:54):
I think the button is a bit of a concern
after coming from that Test match, having a beautiful SACA
and sootope you can here and buts nuther capitals any conditions.

Speaker 2 (53:03):
For the way.

Speaker 4 (53:04):
I think the way the guy's ball today was awesome.

Speaker 2 (53:06):
Zori was play brilliant, folks.

Speaker 3 (53:08):
He did this thing and Daryl chipped into so I
thought it was just a great inerformance and got the
job done right.

Speaker 2 (53:13):
It's Friday's time for the sport Huddle. Elliott Smith News
Talks Thereb's Voice of Rugby. Hey, Elliott, Afternoon afternoon. Jim
Case is here to freelance journalists.

Speaker 18 (53:22):
Good to have you on, Jim, Oh, nice to chat
to you two fellas.

Speaker 2 (53:26):
Now, black Caps have wrapped this up in three days,
which is fantastic. But what the Tom Blundell question now
is kind of emerging. You know, I'll come back for
a third Test, but should Mitch Hay now that he's
been doing so well and given a chance. Well, what
do we do here, Jim?

Speaker 16 (53:44):
We'll quick to.

Speaker 18 (53:44):
Drop people, aren't we. You know, the guy's been injured.
Not many not many injured players get dropped while they've
been out injured, So I'd be very surprised if he
if he wasn't brought back when he split again, and
I think I think it might have Darren Mitchell, who
said pretty much that in one of his interviews as well.

(54:05):
You know Blunda, Yes, his batting's gone down a little bit,
but he's still a fine wicket keeper and I'd be
very surprised if fig.

Speaker 16 (54:12):
Old of him.

Speaker 18 (54:13):
And look, let's look at in a different perspective. Isn't
it great to have some depth. I mean it's been
shown with the bowlers and all of them getting injured
that you need to have some depth and this is
just proving that there's a little bit of depth in
the wicket keeper. So yeah, I don't expect to see
any change there.

Speaker 20 (54:28):
Yeah, I think Mitchay's time will come. Look, there's one
more test to go. If blundles fit for that, I
think he comes back in. You know, Blundle is as
Jim Alluded, who have been probably his average and been
on a downwards trajectory. But I think you give the
guy the benefit of the doubt. To the all blacks
who long had the man tree, you don't lose a
spot just because you're injured. I think that applies here

(54:49):
as well. In one set tested in the books next week,
the third Test against the Windy's is a big gap
until the next test and then they can make some
decisions after that. But I think for a quick turnaround
next test of Blundle's fit for me, he comes back.

Speaker 2 (55:01):
Yeah, no, no, totally understand. People say it all the
time when I fell in for heather or husking, they
there's always time. Hey, just while we're on cricket for
a second, Mitchell Stantna going and doing the chasing the
fox thing, even though he's injured from it just looks
I don't know, Jim, what does the hat? Does it

(55:22):
look to you? It looks a little odd to you.

Speaker 18 (55:24):
Yeah, Look the optics are, aren't they. He has been
cleared by the by the black Caps to go and
play golf. Perhaps golf it's only six holes. That's not
going to test his groin or or re injure his
growing in the way that perhaps a cricket game could have.
But still it just looks weird, doesn't it, that you're

(55:44):
not fit to play for your country and a cricket test,
but you can't play in a in a well it's
not fun, but in a you know, in a golf tournament.
So it might be all above board, I'm sure it
is all above board. I'm sure he's had all the
clearances and those sorts of things. But I think optically
I agree with you Ryan, you go doesn't really look right.

Speaker 20 (56:02):
No, it doesn't. This is symptomatic of New Zealand cricket.
There's no leadership. I mean, the optics. I think it's terrible.
You know, yes, he can say that he can both
place enough play six holes, but chief as you hope
he doesn't overdo it from the t box and you know,
you know, injure himself further, if he's not trying to
protect the groin during say that he overcompensates in a

(56:23):
different area with his swing. I don't know, but to me,
I think it's it's ridiculous that he's doing it. Looks
chasing the fox is a great event, but besides playing
test cricket, you've been ruled out of that. Surely you've
basically just hunker down like a hermit for a few days,
don't do any physical activity.

Speaker 2 (56:40):
Just I picture them lying down or doing rehab, you know,
when someone's engine The lots more to come. Allen Smith
and Jim Kay's on Sport Huddle tonight News Talk ZMB.

Speaker 1 (56:51):
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Speaker 2 (56:58):
Alliot Smith and Jim Kay's on the sport Haddle Tonight,
Jason Holland Elliott So does the All Blacks not like
Jason Holland. Does Jason Holland not like the All Blacks?
What's going on?

Speaker 20 (57:09):
Look, I think he probably decided there was time to
go from the All Blacks. And Look, not many people
would leave that All Blacks coaching environment voluntarily. But we've
now had Leo McDonald do it last year, We've had
Jason Holland do it this year, two years into Scott
Robertson's reign. And I think if you're Jason Holland, you

(57:29):
know you're probably you know a little bit constricted about
how much, say, you're having in the game plan. You're
probably been squeezed out a little bit from, you know,
really the role that maybe you thought you were going
to be. And he's taking a step back, and look,
it's a lot of traveling. But Jason Holland quit, didn't
have a job lined up, and now he's ended back
at the Hurricanes, which is essentially where he first started.

(57:51):
So I think there has to be some questions around
that All Blacks coaching environment. Obviously the reviewer is going
on in the off season as well. I think there
needs to be some change, whether it's around the division
of labor or the personnel in that coaching lineup, because
you know, Jason Hollan's to volunteer and basically go back
to below where he started before you got the job instead.

(58:11):
On the surface of it, very very bizarre.

Speaker 2 (58:13):
Jim, are there two what's going wrong here?

Speaker 17 (58:16):
Like?

Speaker 2 (58:16):
Are there too many chefs in the kitchen? Or is
it the personalities? What's what's wrong?

Speaker 18 (58:22):
I think it's hard to really put point that from
a distance, but there certainly are a lot of coaches.
We were talking earlier about optics. I mean, from an
optics perspective, it probably doesn't get any worse than a
coach walking out of the All Blacks, as Elliott said,
with no job to go to. So you know that
that suggests that there are significant issues within that environment,

(58:45):
and you know Elliott will be hearing all of this
as well. You just get more and more that there's disquiet,
that there's they're not a happy camp, that they don't
all get on and they're not all happy with the
coach and all of those sorts of things. Maybe some
of that will come out in this review. But when
you have a coach walk out with no job to
go to and then take up a job that is

(59:05):
actually a step down the letter from what he had
when he was last at the Hurricanes he was the
head coach and now assistant coach man that for me,
that is screaming from the rooftops.

Speaker 2 (59:17):
Scott Weening is on leave. Speaking of screaming from the
rooftops summer holiday, apparently the excuse didn't really wash with me.
How did you feel about when you saw that, Elliott.

Speaker 20 (59:29):
Well, you didn't watch with me either. This is the
only test series of the summer and the boss has
gone on leave. Now I appreciate. I think you said
what school holiday leave? Well, I think the school heart
has just started and they go through right to the
back end of January from memory, so there's plenty of
time to do that. This is at a critical point
for New Zealand cricket. Look, I did test the waters

(59:50):
on this earlier in the weekend. Did get an out
of office email from Scott Weening, so he is out
of office. He set me back on December nineteenth, so
I guess that's the acid test, whether he gets back
in the chair and has the feet under the desk
on that day. But to me, it just looks really poor.
You know, this NZ twenty thing is overtaking New Zealand cricket.
You know, there are various factions debating whether it's a

(01:00:12):
good thing for the sport or not. But he he
is under pressure and you know, to have them on
leave at a critical junction for the game, I don't
think is a particularly a good look. And it just
serves to the rumors and the skull scuttle up that
you know he won't be back in the job permanently.
There's all been all sorts of rumors going on in
the world's last few weeks. I've had a phone call

(01:00:34):
saying is he's gone and various other things. So you know,
we're in that Christmas twilight zone, really, aren't we? From
next week or the week after where you send out
a media release and it probably doesn't get the scrutiny
that it would any at the time of the year.
So watch the space, I suppose.

Speaker 18 (01:00:50):
Jim. Oh, look, I agree, and you know I think
of other CEOs, David White from cricket, Steve Chew from rugby,
those sorts of people, they were never absent when when
things were happening, you know, they were always there. Look
at Jenny Wiley who disappeared when when Dame Nolean got
the temporary sack. You know, like you've just got to

(01:01:14):
ask questions about some of these people and the and
the roles that they're in and whether they're up to it.
Clearly that there's a great amount of concern that he's
he's just not up to it. Yeah that I like
Richard Bock, he's a good man, but that he's on
summer holidays or whatever the line was, that was paper thin.
That was wafathin. I think there's a there's a lot
of issues at New Zealand Cricket and the CEO could

(01:01:38):
be seen as a way to fix some of those issues.
Shacking him on me.

Speaker 2 (01:01:42):
Yeah, there's always a like with a nipple, same situation
you're going to someone's going to be sacked, being able
to sort something out with it's it's just it's sports boards.
There's just problems, yeah, aren't there.

Speaker 18 (01:01:52):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (01:01:54):
Hey, FIFA is over.

Speaker 11 (01:01:57):
Oh please yeah, can.

Speaker 18 (01:01:58):
We talk about FIFA and the and the right.

Speaker 2 (01:02:00):
Oh yes, yes, yes, yes, Now I think.

Speaker 18 (01:02:03):
Because I've done something, I've done it. I've done a
little bit of homework.

Speaker 2 (01:02:06):
Okay, good, all right, you start with your home.

Speaker 18 (01:02:07):
Well no, it's not really homework, it's not really homed right,
but you're like this, it's a bit, it's a little
bit of a mic drop. But now, for Mandela said,
sport has the power to change the world. It has
the power to inspire, It has the power to unite
people in the way that little house does. And I
would suggest that these clowns who don't want to play

(01:02:28):
a game of football because there's there's gay pride festivities
going on at the same time, should be told to
go jump in a lake somewhere. Just just find two
other teams that want to play. You don't need them.
It's disgusting, disgraceful, it's so out of touch with where
we should be as humanity. And you know, football doesn't

(01:02:49):
normally find me out. But I look at that and
just think you are just.

Speaker 2 (01:02:52):
I completely agree with you. But however, this is not
going to change the fact that homosexuality is illegal in
these countries.

Speaker 18 (01:03:01):
So we pandering to them neither wo pandering to them.
That's not going to change it either. So you've got
to draw a line in the in the proverbial sand
and the literal sand sometimes and just say, Okay, you
can have your archaic beliefs, but you're not going to
influence what we do as a sporting organization.

Speaker 2 (01:03:19):
Okay, so why but then okay, if you do that,
then why let them play at all? You know, if
you're going to be that hard line, you know what
I'm saying. My thing is, Elliott, is this because I
do think that you need to do something, But I
think it should be like a respect round where it's
about respecting no matter whether you're a different gender or religion,

(01:03:40):
or sexuality or whatever, whatever difference is, that we should
all be respectful of each other's differences and therefore no
one gets offended. But also everyone gets the message.

Speaker 20 (01:03:53):
Yeah, I don't mind that at all. I think that's
a good way to go about it. Look, fetas stuck
between obviously something in rocket of hard plays. They're not
that they take this World Cup to Tata with human
rights nichords. Last time they've taken them to Russia, They've
taken to the USA. You know, and then for them
to go and say, let's hold a pride match, Well,

(01:04:14):
you know, look at what you've done for the last
couple of World Cup cycles and where you've taken it to.
So for me, look, look, the answer is simple. You know,
Egypt Iran. Let's get the winner of the inaugural FIFA
Peace Prize last week, Donald Trump. Get them around the table.
If he comes and out, then no one can.

Speaker 18 (01:04:32):
What about that, it's brilliant, Jim.

Speaker 2 (01:04:33):
What about the ticket price?

Speaker 18 (01:04:36):
Oh surprise, we go on, go on, FIFA, the IOC,
World Rugby. They gouge. They gouge like anybody's business, and
nothing surprises me when it comes to ticket prices. And
the only the thing that will go cap at handers
were that is that every hotel, hotel in pub cavern
within one hundred kilometers of any match will triple their

(01:04:59):
prices as well. These things are just money making adventures
and it does not surprise me that they put the
price up by that at all.

Speaker 21 (01:05:07):
They do.

Speaker 2 (01:05:08):
Elliott and Jim, we have to leave it there. Thanks
for being with me. Tonight is always Jim Case and
Elliott Smith on the sports Huddle. It's about twelve thousand
dollars by the way to follow your team through for
about six or seven games. Very very pricey for football.
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It is seven after six. We'll get to the UK before.
Top of the album also gets to Peter Lewis at
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that was. We might even throw in a bit of
show business for you right now. The country's largest cement
supplier says that we will soon have five hundred extra
heavy trucks on the roads every month, basically carting some

(01:07:19):
ent around. It was going by sea Holson, the name
of the business. They wanted to use a foreign flagged
vessel with foreign crew to operate for three years while
they sought a new vessel out because the old one
that they were using, the MV Buffalo, well that's basically sick.
It it's end of life stuff. The problem with all

(01:07:40):
of this is the minister has denied it. The Associate
Transport Minister, James Mega denied this request and the Minister
is with me now, Minister, good to have you on
the program tonight. What's the reason for doing this? I
understand Holson is now having to move everything on the road. Yeah.

Speaker 22 (01:07:57):
Look, it's pretty tight criteria under the Maritime Act. Essentially,
you've got to be satisfied that there's no other ship
available to carry the coastal cargo. And yes, I was
satisfied of that there was no other ship available. But
then you've also got to be satisfied that what Nova
wanted to do meets the intent of the Act. And
the intent of the Act is actually to restrict coastal

(01:08:20):
shipping to basically New Zealand vessels unless you give that authorization,
and you tend to only give authorizations to carry things
for a very short or temporary period to make up
a bit of a gap. In this instance, it just
didn't meet that criteria.

Speaker 2 (01:08:34):
Okay, I understand that. But you could change lor, couldn't you.
But you could make an exemption to it. I mean,
because they're basically saying they're going to have to put
five hundred trucks of cement a month on the roads,
and we know our roads aren't great, and that when
it comes time to go back to the coastal shipping
in three years. Well, actually they may not want to
do that.

Speaker 22 (01:08:54):
Yeah, Look, I hear those arguments, and I know they've
made those arguments publicly, but they weren't part of what
I had to consider as part of the statute. The
statute's relatively narrow, and ministers can't go outside what's relevant
or not relevant when they're making that decision. So I
know there are lots of arguments around jobs and around
how you might have to shift the cement on the road,

(01:09:15):
but I had to make the decision based on the statute.

Speaker 2 (01:09:18):
Fair. Fair. So now that you do know that information,
what are you going to do with it?

Speaker 22 (01:09:23):
Well, there's no plans to amend the statute at this point.
You know, it's always possible that people can write to
me and make the case that amendment could be made,
But we've got to look at what the purpose of
the statute is. Coastal shipping in New Zealand is primarily
a domestic activity. We do have international shipping companies coming
here bringing cargo from overseas in but we tend to

(01:09:45):
have coastal shipping to be something that is done by
New Zealand ships or with New Zealand based crews, and
that's been the case for quite a long time. It'd
be quite a big change to open that up to
international vessels operating under international law, which has different work
laws and pay laws and health and safety laws to
what we have here in New Zealand.

Speaker 2 (01:10:03):
Yeah, but I totally understand that. But if the net
result of your action is in three years there's no
coastal shipping for these fifteen thousand tons of cement, then
that would be a big negative, a big cross against
the decision. Right, So are you going to be practical
about it or do you think these guys are just

(01:10:24):
crying well for publicity.

Speaker 22 (01:10:26):
Well, I guess the flip side to that argument would
be what about the other coastal shipping companies that do
run New Zealand vessels. If there is no longer a
requirement to have New Zealand feed vessels or New Zealand crews,
they may well then be incentivised in order to compete
with foreign vessels to have their own foreign vessels in here,
and then all of a sudden the entire coastal shipping
network falls to bits. So ultimately that's something that we

(01:10:49):
have to consider when we're making these decisions. There are
people out there who advocate for change, but it's not
something that we've considered in this case. And you know,
you've got to think about the long term viability of
coastal shipping and New Zealm and New Zealand sea fearers.
That's got to be part of the consideration.

Speaker 2 (01:11:03):
All right. Have you had conversations with Winston Peters about it?

Speaker 22 (01:11:07):
Not directly with mister Peters, but I know that mister
Jones has made his views quite clear on these kinds
of issues, and we take our coalition colleagues concerns very
seriously and actually we work quite well. So that's that's probably,
I think pretty fair to say.

Speaker 2 (01:11:25):
All right, Minister willive it. They appreciate your times. To
night James A. Mega, who's the Associate Transport Minister, eleven
after six on Newstalk ZBB nine nine to the numbers
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This one says, Hey, Ryan, can't wait for the Willis
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Barbara Edmonds or Choe Swarbrick. I think that's probably what
will happen, what will be the thinking of the middle
voter next year. Now, let's get to Barry Soaper, senior

(01:12:31):
political correspondent with us from News Talks. You'd be tonight, Barry,
welcome back.

Speaker 12 (01:12:34):
I'd nice to be here again, Ryan, even though I'm
missing the Christmas party. I think it's over now.

Speaker 2 (01:12:38):
I think it's finished yet. The free drinks are done.
We don't care anymore now the RIMA change is that
finally we got around to tackling this And do you
think this will be the last time it's tackled or
will we be back to square one again?

Speaker 12 (01:12:50):
Well, you can't help thinking that nothing has been done
quite like this before since the original RMA was introduced
to nineteen eighty nine, and it grew and grew and grew,
more regulation, more obstacles put in the way of people
doing normal things like building a deck in the backyard

(01:13:10):
or an outhouse in the backyard. I don't mean a toilet,
because that's long since gone, but you know, a little flat, yeah,
granite flat. Yeah. So now all these regulations and rules
have been white essentially, and you know, I think the
changes are probably more significant than I've ever seen since

(01:13:32):
the RMA was originally enacted. And I think we can
all be thankful for that. I mean, Chris Bishop said
that it's a generational change, and I think it is.
And the old thing is, though Ryan, only time will.

Speaker 2 (01:13:47):
Tell exactly see how it works exactly, And you won't
know actually what any of this means until your neighbor
builds a big deck, you know, and then and then
you will get it. Hey, the protests in Parliament this week.
I felt thought this was a real low point for Parliament,
a real disappointment because they've had to shut the gallery.

Speaker 12 (01:14:04):
Well, yes, I've seen so much happening in recent years
in the place that you know when I think it
would not even be tolerated. I know when you worked
at Parliament with the rules were much more rigid they were,
and the place was sort of respected and enforced and
enforced they were too, yes, And now I think the
rules essentially changed when Trevor Millard became the Speaker and

(01:14:29):
everything went downhill from there and it left poor old
Jerry brownly because I like Jerry and he's a jovial
bloke and is a very tolerant man. But you know,
I thought the other day when these protesters basically overshadowed
anything that was happening in the house, and with the
shouting and yelling and being dragged out of the place

(01:14:51):
by security guards, it really is to me a danger
that if they get away with it, and it seems
that they have. These are the pro Palestinian people. If
you were sitting in that the debating chamber looking up
at them, I'd be if it was me quite concerned.

Speaker 2 (01:15:12):
You never know, and give them an InStyle taking mile
barriers exactly. Now, this final one new is very in
poll for the year. Luson will be breathing a sigh
of relief about well, both poles actually.

Speaker 12 (01:15:22):
Oh, he will be yeah, because you know, it's a
much better pole than what has been showing in the past.
And I guess it's essentially what could be expected when
you look at what has happened to the Maldi party
that no longer is a party of any reckoning at all.
It's basically a bunch of protesters, which I always said

(01:15:44):
they were from the beginning anyway. But on these numbers,
the coalition would get sixty seven seats in Parliament compared
to the opposition fifty four. So it's an easy win
if election was held and these figures came up, which,
of course you can never rely on.

Speaker 2 (01:16:05):
You can't.

Speaker 12 (01:16:05):
As we remember, our dear old friend, the late Jim
Bolder said, bugger the pollsters, and I'm sure many politicians
have echoed that's a sentiment.

Speaker 2 (01:16:14):
Since the other interesting thing about all of this is
that in order for Labor to win, they would need
not just Greens and to party MARII or bits of
to party Mary, whatever's left after it's dissected itself. But
also Winston Peters Wins is never going to go with
the Greens. I mean there's a question mark over whether
it go with Labor.

Speaker 12 (01:16:31):
I don't think you'll go with Labor. I mean.

Speaker 2 (01:16:34):
You can't trust that, you know what I mean, you
can't trust Winston.

Speaker 12 (01:16:40):
Why, Look, he could be adjudicating the debate next week.
You've got to trust him. But look, I think the
thing is, Winston's made it quite clear that when Chris
Hipkins is the leader of the Labor Party, and don't
forget he worked with Chris H. Hopkins for three years
prior to Labour taking over the treasure treasury benches of it,

(01:17:01):
he has said that quite sternly publicly, that he won't
do it, and I think, at least to that extent,
he is a man of his word.

Speaker 2 (01:17:09):
The electoral law change has been debated under urgency bes.

Speaker 12 (01:17:12):
Yeah, they were, and you know, I think there's a
good element to them because I think a lot of
people are saying you're denying people democracy by making them
in roll thirteen days before polling day. I'm sorry they
could go out and enroll today and they could be.
If you're serious about voting, you've got to get off

(01:17:34):
your chuff and go out.

Speaker 2 (01:17:36):
And I disagree with it. I don't think it's going
to make the whole. I don't think it's going to
make anything faster. And I think you should make voting
as easy as possible. And even though we might be organized, Barry,
some people aren't. I think everybody should. It should be
easy as possible for everyone.

Speaker 12 (01:17:51):
Yeah, but the problem is right, and if you turn
up on election day and vote, which you can do
under the current rules, then it's the counting that takes
the the special votes. Remember how many times Winston has
talked about those post election. One can only hope and
I guess again only time will. Time will tell if
we get the results quickly. Hope we do.

Speaker 2 (01:18:11):
Oh yeah, well it fingers crossed, Barry.

Speaker 12 (01:18:13):
Thank you nice talking to you.

Speaker 2 (01:18:15):
Run and you too, Barry. That's Barry Soper News talksb's
political correspondent. It is twenty one minutes after six on
your Friday evening. Quick little update on Thailand for you.
Because they've been through the Ringer, you will know this.
The skirmishes one of the more than skirmishes on the
border with Cambodia. People have died in these. They've also
had that terrible flooding in the south of the country.

(01:18:36):
Now the prime minister, he's in a bit of trouble
the time prime minister runs a minority government over there,
only been in office three months, basically battling to hold
on to power, battling to hold it together, facing criticism
not just for the response to the floods, but also
the response to the fighting on the border. So anyway,

(01:18:58):
he's at risk. And then today dissolves parliament. They're going
to get that. He will go and then this will
be their third prime minister since twenty twenty three. In Thailand,
News Talks b apprudging.

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Speaker 2 (01:19:20):
'b twenty four after six. Maybe Van Velden got it
right on the minimum wage. Judging by the text machine,
half of you saying it's too much two percent increased
this year by the way one and a half percent
last year, so slightly more. It's half of you saying
too much. No, it's going to cripple business of the
other half saying should have done more. They need more Ryan,

(01:19:40):
they are dreaming. I employ more than one hundred people.
I can tell you the cost this national government have
put on our business in the past year is crippling.
They will decrease our workforce to fundness and they will
not have my vote next year. That's interesting. Who do
you vote for then if you're a small business, because
you don't, you wouldn't well, would you vote? You wouldn't
vote labor, presumably, so you'd going to act, would you?

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I would think twenty five minutes after six.

Speaker 4 (01:20:05):
There's no business like show business.

Speaker 2 (01:20:13):
It's almost over. But Taylor Swift just won't leave you alone,
won't leave us alone. After a huge world tour, her
engagement to Travis Kelcey and her new album and a movie.
Remember she did the movie too. Apparently swifties can stomach
one more thing. People like to talk about phenomenons. We
have broken every single record you can break with this toy.

(01:20:36):
I am a phenomenon. Look at me that phenomenon. Okay,
we get it. You're rich, isn't it phenomena?

Speaker 23 (01:20:42):
When you're talking about multiple.

Speaker 2 (01:20:43):
Phenomenon, phenomenon phenomenon phenomenon at all? Is it a phenomena? Multiple?
What one phenomenon too? Phenomena like stadium and stadia? Oh
I'm not like that. Yeah, okay, anyway, she got a
new docu series coming out and you can go watch
it tonight from nine pm. Six episodes just because you

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know who needs one when you're a phenomena anyway at
Disney Plus is what you will need to watch it.
The show is said to give a glimpse into the
inner workings of the Eras tour. It includes intimate behind
the scenes footage of her relationship with the now fiance
Trevis Kelcey.

Speaker 11 (01:21:21):
I'm very aware of mysterious forces at play that I
will never have any control of.

Speaker 14 (01:21:29):
This show created a bonding experience.

Speaker 9 (01:21:32):
For like seventy thousand people all at once.

Speaker 14 (01:21:35):
There's something very special about that.

Speaker 2 (01:21:38):
What are the dark forces? That sounds ominous, doesn't it? Anyway?
I'd say, good on. I've got no problems with I
know a lot of people find her annoying or whatever.
I got no problem with her. That woman is making
a butt ton of money and all powered to her,
and clearly that will continue tonight from nine pm on
Disney Plus News Talk ZMB. We'll get to our business

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correspondent in Asia and the UK next.

Speaker 7 (01:22:04):
The Key longer drowning and deceit or because you came
for me, locked inside by memory and only you possess
the King, no longer drowning and deceived because you.

Speaker 4 (01:22:15):
Came from me.

Speaker 1 (01:22:19):
Whether it's Macro, micro or just plain economics. It's all
on the Business Hour with Ryan Bridge and Mass Motor
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Speaker 4 (01:22:31):
US Talks B. Sally is coming.

Speaker 24 (01:22:39):
Please do.

Speaker 2 (01:22:43):
Appearance twenty five away from seven News TALKSB. We'll get
to the UK. We'll speak to our UK correspondent before
top of the hour. Peter lewis standing by as well.
But I want to take you to America first because
Donald Trump this week held a rally in Pennsylvania and
we spoke to our I query about that earlier in
the week. But what we didn't talk about was because

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it was so long. You know, he goes on and
on and on, does Trump. But what we didn't talk
about is what he said, in particular about Ilain Oman.
This is a representative from Pennsylvania, I'm sorry, from Minnesota,
and she's from Somalia originally comes from Somalia, and he
had some pretty extraordinary things to say about here. Have

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a listen.

Speaker 9 (01:23:27):
I love this Elin o'mar whatever the hell her name is,
with a little shoe, the little turban.

Speaker 19 (01:23:35):
I love her.

Speaker 9 (01:23:35):
She comes in there's nothing but bitch. She's always a complained.
She comes from her country where I mean, it's considered
about the worst country in the world. Right, they have
no military, they have no nothing, they have no parliament,
they don't know what they hell the word parliament means
they have nothing. They have no police, They police themselves.

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They kill each other all the time.

Speaker 6 (01:24:00):
I love it.

Speaker 9 (01:24:01):
She comes to our country and she's always complaining about
the constitution.

Speaker 12 (01:24:06):
Allows me to do this.

Speaker 9 (01:24:08):
We would have get her to hell out. She married
her brother in order to get in, right, she married
her brother.

Speaker 2 (01:24:15):
So like, this is the president. It's outrageous what he's doing.
The most outrageous thing about it, like he doesn't stop there,
he continues. But the most outrageous thing about what he
is doing is that no one's really reporting it, Like
if this happened in his first term. And I thought
there was an opinion piece from a guy at seeing
end today which I thought was fair. If this was

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his first term, there would be outrage. There would have
been opinion pieces up the wazoo, This would have led
the six pm news. But now we're just so used
to it.

Speaker 9 (01:24:48):
Can you imagine if Donald Trump married his sister beautiful,
she's a beautiful person. If I married my sister to
get my citizenship, do you think I'd last for a
bat two hours or would be something less than that.
She married her brother to get in. Therefore she's here illegally,
she should get the hell out, throw it a hell out.

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She does nothing but complain.

Speaker 2 (01:25:15):
So after this point the crowd starts chanting, send her back,
send her out, get her out, whatever anyway. Just to
clarify the woman at the center of all of this,
Elene Omar, she says, I did not marry my bro.
She denies this. I did not marry my brother, and
they've done some fact checks on it and said there
is no evidence that this is actually true at all.

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So he's done. In other words, he's just making the
whole thing up. Twenty two away from seven, Bryan Bridge,
Let's go to our report and our correspondent, I should say,
Peter Lewis. Peter for Asia Business. Good evening, Peter, good
to have you on. Inflation hits a two year high
in China.

Speaker 21 (01:25:54):
Yes, a piece of good news because China's really been
flirting with the inflation for quite a while. But the
consumer price index did jump in October. It's up about
zero point seven percent year on year. There is the
other side of that, which is that factory gate prices,
they're the prices that really manufacturers receive and pay for,

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are still in deflation. They've been in deflation now for
four years, so that deflationary pressures hasn't gone away, and
it is important that they're addressed because really it is
a drag on the overall economy and also it stops
consumers going out to spend, and that's a very important

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aspect of trying to get the over reliance that China
has on exports down to boosting the domestic economy. So
we really need consumers to go out there and buy
things and spend. They're very reluctant to do so at
the moment. That's partly because they're really building up a

(01:26:59):
lot of precautionary savings because there isn't a high amount
of social care and welfare spending done in China, so
consumers have to households have to pay for this themselves.
There is still a slump in the property market. And
also a lot of young people are still unemployed in China.
About one in five people under twenty four years old

(01:27:22):
don't have a job, so they live with their parents.
Their parents pay for them and subsidize them. So there's
all these things which are weighing on domestic consumption. And
the leaders in Beijing have made this an absolute priority
for the next year to really try and address that
and to move this reliance away from exports onto domestic

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consumption and boosting the domestic economy.

Speaker 2 (01:27:48):
What about the terriffs, And you know we've spoken a
lot about this this year, but actually China has been
holding up not to bed, thank you very much.

Speaker 21 (01:27:56):
Oh more than not too bad. I mean it has
a trade surplus in the first eleven months of this
year of over one trillion dollars. Now, I mean that
is an extraordinary amount. China has a trade surplus with
nearly every single country in the world, and even the US.
Although the exports to the US have slumped over the

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past year, they were down almost thirty percent in November,
imports from the US were down about twenty percent. This
is the impact of the tariffs that's being had on
US China trade. All they're doing is they're finding new markets,
particularly in developing economies in Latin America, in the Middle East,

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in Africa, and most importantly of all, in Southeast Asia.
The trade surplus with the Southeast Asian nations as a
whole is about a quarter of a trillion dollars two
hundred and fifty billion US dollars. So these are countries
like Malaysia, Indonesia, Thailand, and so on. And when you

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have your exports which are growing about three times faster
than global trade is growing overall, what it means is
that China is taking over in effect other countries exports
factories are closing down elsewhere. We're seeing that in Indonesia.
It's estimated that about three hundred thousand people in Indonesia's

(01:29:22):
garments and textile factories have lost their jobs now to
Chinese imports. Local businesses in Thailand are being hurt. So
it's not just the US and the EU that is
complaining about these countries like Thailand, like Indonesia talking about

(01:29:42):
putting tariffs on Chinese goods because their industries simply can't
compete and people are being thrown out of work because
of these massive trade surpluses and massive over capacity. And
what we're seeing is that although China is moving up
the value and it wants to now export high tech

(01:30:03):
goods to other countries, things like electric vehicles, solar panels,
and so on, it still also wants to retain all
its exports in things like shoes and garments and so on.

Speaker 6 (01:30:17):
Now, what would.

Speaker 21 (01:30:17):
Normally happen is that that would then be ceded to
countries elsewhere and allow them to have a share of
global trade. But basically China wants to be self sufficient
in everything. So this is simply not going to be sustainable.
China is not going to be able to maintain those
sort of trade surpluses going forward without a lot of

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problems for global trade and the global economy and a
lot of resistance coming from other countries around the world.

Speaker 2 (01:30:45):
Such a behemoth in hoovering up industries all over the
world and lots of different countries, And do you think
maybe in doing so, they are forcing other countries to
have a bit of sympathy for what America has been
going through.

Speaker 21 (01:31:01):
Yes, absolutely, because you know these the complaints that America
and the EU have. I mean, Emmanuel Macron was in
Beijing just a couple of weeks ago. He's saying that
these types of exports are just simply unbearable to their
local industries. And absolutely there are countries around the world,
not just in Southeast Asia but also in Latin America

(01:31:23):
have been thinking about tariff Some of them have actually
moved forward on tariff's on Chinese goods because if they
don't do something, their own workers are going to be
thrown out of jobs and that's going to create a
lot of social problems in those countries.

Speaker 2 (01:31:38):
Absolutely. Right now, the US has done a bit of
a U turn on and video chips, allowing them to
sell the AI chips to approved customers. That's correct.

Speaker 21 (01:31:49):
So this is not the top chip that the video produces.
They're the Blackwell chips, which are still banned for sale
in China. But Donald Trump has agreed now to allow
the second most advanced in NA video chip, which is
the eight two hundred artificial intelligence chip, go to what
they call approved customers. We don't know yet how that's

(01:32:11):
going to be defined and who that's going to be,
but it comes after months of lobbying by the Video CEO.
Jensen Wang has argued that access to US technology should
be global and that includes China, and if they don't
do this, all that will happen is that China will
develop its own chips instead its own advanced chips. Now,

(01:32:33):
there is some truth in that, although Jensen Wang is
talking his own book a lot there as well, because
China is still several years behind in terms of the
most advanced chips, and it does need this these chips
to be able to develop their own AI capabilities. But
it's not totally clear that Beijing's going to allow Chinese

(01:32:55):
companies to buy them, because it's putting its own chip
making firms on what it calls its own approval list,
it's domestic approval list. So if you're a Chinese firm
and you want to go and buy n video chip,
you have to justify why you can't buy a chip
from one of the local processors like SMIC for example,

(01:33:17):
as opposed to going out and buying the Video's chips.
So this may all have come a bit too late
for the US because it may be that China's just
simply not going to allow firms to buy them. But
Donald Trump wants is desperate to have a trade deal
with China. It's his top sort of priority, and he

(01:33:38):
seems to be promoting that above all other considerations, including
what many not just Republicans but also Democrats in Congress
are saying is overriding US national security issues.

Speaker 2 (01:33:52):
Peter, appreciate your update. Thank you, Pedolo US that Asia
Business correspondent time is fourteen minutes away from seven. Will
hit to Gevin Grand next.

Speaker 1 (01:34:01):
Everything from SMEs to the big corporates, the business hours
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Speaker 2 (01:34:12):
It'd be welcome makers a liven to seven. Church of
England in a bit of trouble. It's got to Gavin
Gray Are UK correspondent, Gavin, what's the latest here?

Speaker 25 (01:34:19):
Well, Roan, you'd have thought with the previous head of
the Church of England had to leave his post accused
of not doing enough to root out sexual abuses among
the clergy, the church was probably hoping a new archbishop
would mean a new chapter, particularly after the appointee is
the first female in the post. But It's now been
revealed that the Church of England is considering a complaint

(01:34:42):
against the incoming Archbishop of Canterbury for her handling over
an abuse scourel. Dame Sarah Malali is her a name.
She's due to take post in six weeks time, but
she's now been accused of improperly handling a complaint against
a priest in London. But that's her current job where
she's serving as a bishop now. Earlier this week, a

(01:35:03):
complainant spoke to a Christian website saying that the case
was handled very badly and had a serious impact on
his mental health. It's reported that when the complainant filed
his original case against an accused priest, Bishop Sarah Malalley
contacted the priest involved about the allegations and that itself
breached the church's disciplinary protocols. And apparently the complaint against

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her was not formally dealt with and lambetha Palace. Officials
at the HQ, as it were of the Church of
England said they assumed the complainant no longer wished to proceed.
They were wrong and this is not the ideal start
for the new boss.

Speaker 2 (01:35:42):
Goodness made now what's the story here with the Rolling
Stones and Fat Boy Slim.

Speaker 25 (01:35:48):
Yeah, Fatbofe Slim has a song that he produced and
that was called the Rockefeller Skank. But after twenty years
of playing the single or more, he got a bit bored,
so he began sort of grafting on the main guitar
riff from the Stone song Satisfaction. Now Norman Cook has
Fat Boy Slim's real name, brilliant musician, brilliant, sort of

(01:36:11):
clever artist with these things, used to begin playing this
during concerts, but he did kind of want to release
what he called his Satisfaction skang commercially. However, having contacted
the Rolling Stones, they kept saying no, and after four
different requests over twenty years, eventually got to speak to

(01:36:34):
Mick Jagger. Mick jaggerhead of Stones, of course, said he'd
heard the take on it by Fat's Boy Slim, said
he liked the mix, but his management was saying absolutely
no way, not even negotiable. We're not going to give
you permission to use the guitar riff from Satisfaction in
any release of any single. So Norman Cook thought, okay,

(01:36:55):
that's it.

Speaker 4 (01:36:55):
Then.

Speaker 25 (01:36:55):
However, the Stones have changed their mind, or at least
the management of the rolling stands has changed his mind.
And now after a quarter of a century, he says
he's finally going to be able to release it as
a single.

Speaker 2 (01:37:07):
Oh that's fantastic. We look forward to hearing it. It
is a brilliant song, as you say, a great and
concert It will be great on record two. Gavin Gray
are UK correspondent. It is eight to seven News Talk ZBB.

Speaker 1 (01:37:18):
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Speaker 2 (01:37:24):
ZEBB five to seven. Thank you so much for all
of your texts and your emails and your feedback this afternoon.
Very much appreciated. Been a great show. Good to talk
to Brook van Velden about the minimum wage two percent
increase if you didn't catch that up from one and
a half percent last year. James Meger on the cement subject,
which exercised many of you. We know that the moldy

(01:37:48):
lunch thing will be resolved hopefully next week. They're just
waiting on releasing an internal review into all of that business.
And as for the debate, well that's happened next week too,
may or may not be moderated by one Winston Raymond
Peters Right. That's it for me, signing off for your
Friday night. I hope you have a wonderful weekend.

Speaker 23 (01:38:07):
And it's satisfaction scan because Gavin was just talking about
the Rolling Stones of hat Boys slim song that was,
you know, coming to get came together about the year
two thousand and it's finally been released.

Speaker 20 (01:38:18):
Let's ever listen.

Speaker 26 (01:38:20):
Now plunk down, flunk so bright about now, plunk so
down down, plunk so proud.

Speaker 24 (01:38:33):
Down down down, bunk so proud down just blunk so
down down.

Speaker 27 (01:38:58):
Plight about now the funk so brother us heck you
out now, the punk so brother right about now, the
funk so brother us heck it out now, the funk
so brother right about now, the funk so brothers have
you out now the funk so brother right about now,

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the funk so.

Speaker 24 (01:39:20):
Brother us help you down cown, just punk so brother
right about now now now now now now, now.

Speaker 16 (01:39:30):
Now.

Speaker 24 (01:39:37):
Right about down the funk So brother us have you
down cown. He's the funk so brother right about down
the bunk So brother us have you down town, the
bunk so brother right about down the bunk so brother us,
have you down town? It's a bunk, so right about

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down the bunk. So brother Us.

Speaker 6 (01:40:03):
Saturday Saturday, Saturday, Saturday, Saturday, Saturday, Saturday Saturday.

Speaker 1 (01:40:07):
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