Full Show Podcast: 15 December 2025

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Pressing the newsmakers to get the real story. It's Ryan
Bridge on either duplicy Ellen Drey with one New Zealand
coverage like no one else you saw, Siddy.

Speaker 2 (00:11):
Good afternoon, it is six after four on your Monday.
Great to have your company. We'll go across the Tasman
for the latest on this terror attack past two police
in New Zealand, about the threat level here at home?
How to make your kids meal for two bucks? James
Cameron wants more tax rebates, Thank you very much. What
are the big lego blocks being installed at Wellington Airports?
We've got Shane Soley on the markets and a triple

(00:32):
whammy with Nichola Willis this evening after six on the
RB and Z Heyfu and GDP all out.

Speaker 3 (00:37):
This week, Bryan Bridge, This terror.

Speaker 2 (00:40):
Attack in Sydney is what everyone else says and is saying.
It is absolutely horrific anti Semitic terrorism. That's what it is. Sadly,
this type of attack is happening and will keep happening
more frequently, and this is what our intelligence agencies tell us.
The worst part about it is that it seems almost
impossible to Australia has what the world considers the gold

(01:03):
standard gun control. After the Port Arthur massacre, you'll remember it,
they tightened up the rules, but it still now has
more guns than it did back then in the nineties,
both in number and per capita. Guns, of course, don't
cause terror attacks. For that, you'll need radical fanatics with
a screw loose, and the Internet is full of them.

(01:25):
It's a great place, unfortunately, to go and meet like
minded people. We run very expensive security agencies in most
Western countries whose job it is to track people down
and prevent Bondai Beach type events. In this case, RCO,
their security intelligence agency, knew about the sun with the
gun in Sydney as early as six years ago. There

(01:47):
were links to ISIS. For goodness sakes, didn't stop them,
did it. Brenton Tarrant was posting about the god awful
things that he was going to do up to a
year beforehand online. He wasn't stopped either. Some said the
guy who slipped people's throats while they were shopping for
groceries in New Lynn, remember that he was actually being

(02:08):
watched and followed by security agencies at the time. Even
he still managed to stab eight innocent people in the
shopping are some argue migration is the problem. Oh, they say, well, Jews,
the Jewish community, the Muslims, they've been fighting for centuries
and that's where the problem lies. Except mass shootings are
perpetrated by all sorts of people for all sorts of

(02:31):
different reasons. You've got left wing extremism, look at what
they're saying about the guy and Charlie Kirk, the insurance
assassin in America, the attempt on Trump. Then you've got
your far right extremists. You've got radical Islamic terrorists. And
then they're just completely crazy people who seem to have
no motive. They just want to either be famous or

(02:52):
kill people for a body count, like life is some
sort of video game. The sad, disturbing, uncomfortable part heart
of this attack is that I think everybody knows it
won't be the last one, and there is very little,
it seems, that we can actually do to stop them.

(03:13):
You're on news talks EB. It's nine minutes after four
Police have been patrolling outside Jewish synagogues and events here
in New Zealand, after what's happened in Sydney. Same thing
happening around the world right now. London Berlin and New York.
It is, of course the start of Honiker. Deborah Hart
is the chair of the Holocaust Center in New Zealand
and joins me now, Deborah, good afternoon, Cia. How are

(03:36):
you doing. How is the Jewish community in New Zealand
doing after this?

Speaker 4 (03:40):
Well, we are reeling. Our hearts are truly broken. We
hold those directly affected in our hearts. But we know
that we have to be resilient and we have to
go on, and we are. You know, we've only had

(04:00):
the first night of Hunakah, and Honaker is the festival
that has carried us through centuries of persecution. It's the
ancient promise that light and jaws even when we're met
with brutal violence. So it's ironic that this has come
at the time of Huneker.

Speaker 2 (04:21):
It's awful for everyone there, isn't it? And for you here?
So what are people? How do you normally celebrate Hanneka
in New Zealand? Do we have public events like this?

Speaker 4 (04:31):
Well, most Jewish people will be celebrating the eight days
of Huneker. Each day we light another candle for Hunkakah,
and Jewish people around the world will be doing exactly
that we used to hold regular public events so that

(04:54):
everyone could join us and what is a really joyous festival.
But you know, we stopped doing that because it just
wasn't safe here to do it. Indeed, I used to
MC many of the events in Wellington, and I remember
the last time I did it, which was a few
years back now, thinking oh I don't quite feel safe,

(05:17):
but I'm going to do it anyway. But we have
mostly taken the event behind closed doors and behind guards
and big fences because it's just not safe to do
it in any other way.

Speaker 2 (05:35):
Deborah, is are things getting how much? I mean, we
know things have been getting worse, but how much of
you know, there's always been this awful baseline anti Semitic
attitude and you know, the neo Nazi stuff like that,
and now you've got after the war and Gaza and
you know Netnya who he's made some enemies and so
Jewish people are copying it. How much worse has it

(05:56):
got as a result of that? And is there anything
you know? Are all all of our leaders, all of
our politicians, are they making the situation better or worse?

Speaker 4 (06:06):
Well, the first thing to say is it doesn't matter
what is happening half a world away. Anti Semitism here
in New Zealand is or anywhere is completely unacceptable. It
has become quite rampant. It should alarm every listener that
Jewish children in our own country are being assaulted in school,

(06:29):
They're being threatened, that they have to hide Jewish sites vandalized.
We get threats in broad daylight. We have the government
here in New Zealand has been really good in trying
to safeguard the Jewish community, and the police and the

(06:51):
security services have been really really good as well. I
have to say though, it is saddening when you have
the likes of the co leader of the Green Party,
Chloe Swolbrook, happy to go to pro Palestinian rallies and
stand side by side with signs reading globalize the into Farda.

(07:15):
That is not a call for peaceful resistance the farder.
Globalizing the into Farder is what we have seen in Sydney.
It is violence on a global scale against Jewish people,
and I think it's time for our leaders to take
pause and think about what it is that they are

(07:38):
standing for in standing worth.

Speaker 2 (07:40):
Do you think they people like Chloe actually understand what
they're saying.

Speaker 4 (07:45):
I would hope not, but you know, these are intelligent
people and look, it's time for introspection and to think
what can I do differently and what can I do better?
And am I doing something that endangers other people? And
you know these kinds of messages are heard by some

(08:09):
people as a call to violence, and that is clearly
what we have seen in Sydney and what we fear
could happen here in New Zealand.

Speaker 2 (08:18):
Debra, I really appreciate you talking to me today. Thank
you for that and all the best for the rest
of your huneker. That is Debrah Hart, Holocaust Center, Chare
in New Zealand. Quarter past four.

Speaker 1 (08:29):
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Speaker 2 (08:37):
It is seventeen minutes after four. We'll speak to a
security expert out of Australia after five this evening on
the terror attack in Sydney. We just had Debra Hart
on the shows from the Holocaust Center and she called out,
singled out Chloe Swarbrick, the co leader of the Greens,
for her rhetoric over the past few months about Jewish
communities in New Zealand and around the world, says that

(09:00):
she needs to take a look at herself. Basically, Ryan,
Chloe's silence on what's happening in Australia is deafening. This
is from one of our listeners. They have put out
a statement. I don't know about Chloe personally, We're just
having a look, but they have. The Greens put out
a statement today saying that they condemn all attacks, etc.
Et cetera. Ryan. This is from Lance. Lance's Ryan. Anti

(09:22):
Semitism is completely wrong. But for her to say what
is going on in Gaza should not matter is completely wrong.
In one sided Lance, I think what Deborah was trying
to say is it doesn't matter what's happening in a
war in another country. It doesn't mean that you attack
a Jewish child in New Zealand, which I think is

(09:42):
something we can hopefully fingers crossed all agree on.

Speaker 1 (09:48):
Sport with tap in play bed with Real Time Odds
and stads eighteen that.

Speaker 2 (09:53):
Responsibly Piney's with us this afternoon. Hey Poney, how are you?

Speaker 5 (09:56):
Ryan?

Speaker 2 (09:56):
Hi mate, I'm good. Thanks. So Tom Blundle returns for
the black Caps. Is this the right call you reckon?
I think so? Yes.

Speaker 6 (10:02):
I think incumbency is quite a strong motivator here. As
far as the black Aps are concerned. Tom Blundell's been
the wicket keeper since twenty twenty one. He wasn't dropped
for the second Test against the West and DC had
an injury and they've often been of the view that
if you're injured and you come back in and you
were part of the team, you come back into the team.
Mitch Hay had a very good debut with the Basin

(10:22):
and will play undoubtedly a lot of Test cricket for
New Zealand. But I think having Tom Blundell come back
in for the Third Test at the Mount starting later
in the.

Speaker 2 (10:30):
Week is the right call. Not everybody agrees with it, Ryan,
but that's the beauty of it all. Yeah, no, exactly.
That keeps it interesting. Hey, Gean Carlo Italiano, how's he doing?
I mean, fourth loss in five games now with the Phoenix.

Speaker 6 (10:42):
Yeah, under pressure has to be under pressure, Gian Calotaliano,
and not if you zoom out of it. They've just
had They've had just five wins in their last twenty
nine matches. Now in any league anywhere in the world.
That is the kind of kind of stat that's going
to put pressure on a head coach. Will they make
a move. I think think they'll probably give him at
least this weekend against the Mariners to see if he

(11:04):
can turn things around. I just cannot see though, if
they were to lose again this coming Sunday at home
to another team nearer the bottom of the table than
the top, that he would be able to survive. I
think he's probably drinking at the last chance saloon.

Speaker 2 (11:16):
Hey McCullum very quickly? Is he could? He potentially lose
his job if they know if they it all goes
tits up over in Australia because this contract apparently is
through to twenty twenty seven. But do you reckon they
could get rid of them earlier.

Speaker 6 (11:29):
I guess they could if they wanted to, if they
decide that really he and Ben Stokes because they come
as a bit of a pair are not the right
men to lead England for they could. I mean, contracts
are always you can always extricate yourself from them, card
you as the person with the contract or the person
giving out the contract. I think they'd have to lose
five nil and have no sign of really any improvement
at all for him to be on the chopping block.

Speaker 2 (11:50):
They all right, I appreciate that. Piney, Thank you. Jason
Pine sports talk host seven o'clock tonight News Talk z
B got some interesting stuff. Actually, next I will play
you some aret from a young woman who there was
that shooting at a university, Brown University in the United States,
and just how many people in the States now are
being targeted or involved in a mass shooting, who've actually

(12:14):
already been in one before. It's just out there. That's next.

Speaker 1 (12:18):
The name you trumped to get the answers you need,
it's Ryan Bridge on either duplicy Ellen Drive with one
New Zealand coverage like no one else news talks.

Speaker 2 (12:29):
That'd be great to have your company. Twenty four minutes
after four, this is a text from Debbie. Debbie W. Says,
I've just passed by the Kadeemer's school in Remuware Road
half an hour ago. Strong police presence outside makes me
very sad. Debia. It does make it, it doesn't it,
because they're innocent children and to think that someone could
come along and do anything with a gun is just

(12:50):
all just too much actually to think about. So your
heart goes out to everyone in Sydney, doesn't it now,
the Yussie Prime minister. The problem they've got now in
Australia is you have and it's not confirmed by RCO yet,
they're domestic intelligence agency, not confirmed by them yet, but
the ABC is reporting that the Sun was basically best

(13:12):
buddies with a guy called Matari. Now Matari is serving
time in jail for planning an ISIS insurgency. You know,
self declared Australian commander of ISIS. So you've got an
ISIS guy who's friends with ISIS. And then you've got
dad who's got registered legally six guns legal in the house.

(13:37):
The son lives with the dad, the family is all
under one roof. So how can you have a guy
with six legal registered guns living with friend of ISIS.
You know that doesn't make sense. So now the Cabinet
in Australia is reviewing all the gun laws. In the
last few minutes, Elbows spoken quite clearly.

Speaker 5 (14:00):
The Howard government skun laws have made an enormous difference
in Australia and a proud moment of reform quite rightly
achieved across the Parliament with bipartisan support. If we need
to toughen these up, if there's anything we can do.
I'm certainly up for it and I hope to get
national Cabinet on board for that this afternoon.

Speaker 2 (14:24):
Now we'll speak to Olli Peedterson, our six per Live
Perth Australia correspondent after full thirty, and we will also
speak to a security expert out of Australia after five,
just so that you know. In America, there was the
shooting at Brown University. A young woman, twenty one year
old Maya Treta is her name. She was there as
the shooting unfolded at Brown, but was not the first time,

(14:46):
and this is the sad part about America, not the
first time she has been born witness to an event
like it.

Speaker 7 (14:52):
In twenty nineteen, when I was shout in the stomach
at my high school, I lost my entire sense of
safety and I lost my entire sense of this. It's
that day and those are things that you can't get back.
I have to tell myself, I'm never going to get
shot again. And now this has happened at my own school,
in my community, just again in my lifetime as.

Speaker 2 (15:14):
A twenty one year old girl. Second mass shooting event
for her, and do you know what this is even
sadder part of it is she was not the only
one at Brown on the weekend to be involved in
this mass shooting, for whom it was their second time.
Just nuts, isn't it. Anyway? We're in New Zealand where
it's relatively sick. That is the good news. Twenty seven

(15:34):
after four news talks, they be on.

Speaker 1 (15:44):
Your smart speaker, on the iHeart app and in your
car on your drive home it's Ryan Bridge on hither
duplessy Ellen drive with one New Zealand tend of power
of satellite mobile news talks.

Speaker 3 (15:54):
They'd be.

Speaker 2 (16:01):
Pretty five away from five on your Monday afternoon. We'll
get to Olli Peterson from Australia shortly Bury Soper on
politics too. This text from Andrew Ryan. I appreciate and
we all appreciate what James Cameron has done for the
New Zealand film industry. However, but says Andrew, I will
say this New Zealanders and a lot of New Zealand
businesses outside the film industry are still struggling. So please

(16:24):
say to James Cameron, don't poke the bear, that being
the New Zealand government. Because the film industry gets too
many handouts and tax breaks et cetera, because he's come
cap in hand again, hasn't he. They had the Avatar
premiere in Wellington on Friday or was it Friday or Saturday?
Friday said over the weekend and has said basically, yeah,
you're not as competitive and you've got to stay competitive

(16:45):
if you want the movies to come here. Now, we're
going to talk to Annie Murray, who's with the film
Commission after five later on after five this evening about this.
But I think that you get so much bang for
your buck out of movies being made here it's worth giving.
I mean, the rebate now is not twenty thirty, make
it fifty. You get so much bang for your buck.

(17:07):
People watch movies and immediately want to travel to where
the movie was made, and that's great for tourism. We
saw it, we still see it with Lord of the
Rings now help, we've got the planes that are black
and they're still putting Lord of the Rings paraphernalia all
over them how many years, like decades later. So I
think it's absolutely worth it. But we'll ask Anna Murray.

(17:28):
She's not here. After five point thirty this evening, it's
twenty four to two.

Speaker 1 (17:31):
It's the world wires on news dogs Empy Drive in Australia.

Speaker 2 (17:36):
One of the shooters was the registered owner of six
firearms legally. Here's the New South Wales Premier Christmins.

Speaker 8 (17:42):
I think it's time that we have a change to
the lory relation to the firearms legislation in New South Wales.
But I'm not ready to announce it today. But it's
the last time I'll be mentioning it and you can
expectation soon.

Speaker 2 (17:55):
Meanwhile, this mass shooting at a university in the States
at Brown, police tracks the guy his cell phone to
find him and found two guns in his hotel room
and they reckon It's likely that someone knocked on him.

Speaker 9 (18:07):
But he think it's highly likely that someone who knew
this person phoned into law enforcement and provided the phone
number of the person they were concerned about, because it
would have been too early for the cast team to
have a number to work with.

Speaker 2 (18:23):
Finally, this afternoon, what's he going to do? What's he
going to do when you come home? Remember we're talking
to the story of the raccoon that broke into the
bottle shop in Virginia and got completely wasted, legless, and
then fell asleep by the toilet turns out this particular
trashed panda might be a repeated fender. A local animal

(18:44):
protection officer thinks the raccoon is probably behind Breaken's at
a local martial arts studio and a DMV office as well.

Speaker 1 (18:53):
International correspondence with Ends and Eye Insurance Peace of Mind
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Speaker 2 (19:00):
Oli Peterson's with us from Australia. Olie, what's the latest
on that We've just heard from the Prime Minister. I
know there's been a press conference. Who what's the latest
on this attack in Sydney.

Speaker 10 (19:10):
Yeah, Ryan, good afternoon to you this. I'm just heartbroken.
I'm almost speechless trying to even communicate any of this
year because I never thought you and I'd be having
this conversation about something so callous happening in Australia. But
as we talk, the latest information is that year sixteen
people did, forty injured, and we've started to learn more
details about the alleged shooters father and son, Sajid Akram

(19:32):
age fifty and his son Navid Akram twenty four, revealing
today that the alleged attackers were both here. The son
was actually born here in Australia in two thousand and
one Sadjit Akram arrived here in Australia on a student
visa back in nineteen ninety eight, transfer to a partner

(19:52):
visa in two thousand and one. Now the son, Navid,
who is still alive in hospital, he is in Australian
to this as as I said, born in two thousand
and one. He came to the attention of asy Oh
back in October twenty nineteen examined. An assessment was made
that there was no indication of any ongoing threat or
threat of him engaging in violence, according to the Prime Minister,

(20:12):
and it was based on concerns about the people he
was associated with rather than direct concerns Harvard about his
own character. According to the PM, no doubt there'll be
a full Frank Sarah investigation about the father and son's
movements and who they have been in contact with. Homes
obviously raided in Western Sydney and Airbnb involved in this
as well in Canterbury, So who exactly put them up
to this? And we now know the worldwide coverage this

(20:34):
is receiving and just the shock and the horror as
we talk today Ryan the Prime Minister moving swiftly to
hold the National Cabinet in twenty minutes time, and they
want to try and get some sort of uniformity around
gun laws here amongst the states and the territories in Australia,
because how did the acram's own fix license firearms and
will be able to undertake what they allegedly undertook yesterday

(20:55):
in Bondoi Beach.

Speaker 2 (20:56):
Yep, this is the thing. Even though the sun we're
all living under one roof, weren't they. So when the
texts were done on the dad, can you have six guns?
Surely someone would have seen even though if he didn't
harbored the ideology that he was mates with the ISIS guy.

Speaker 10 (21:11):
You know, you'd wonder how anyone in Australia would need
six licensed firearms unless there are a farmer for specific purposes.
And it's interesting over Hugh in Wa, we've been through
a process over the last eighteen months of basically removing
even more guns from the community for these very reason. Now,
of course, guns are going to get him through criminal activity,
and guns are going to get him through biking organizations

(21:32):
and organized crime. They're like, we understand that, Ryan, but
if you have six licensed firearms to somebody living in
Western Sydney. You'd have to say, hang on a minute,
what does anybody need six guns? It just makes absolutely
no sense.

Speaker 2 (21:44):
Now you've got your opposition leader is you know, she's
got what's his name, Alban Ezy and her sight's over this.
She's saying he's been lax on anti Symitism, he's letting
this happen. What's you know, is their political fallout for albums?
Does that stick?

Speaker 10 (22:02):
I think that will be. Look, I think Australia is
a very tolerant and open country. I mean, look at
the words of our national anthem, Ryan. You know we
are one and free. Bouma's playing to share and everybody
can rejoice. And I think there has been a softening,
I suppose of our approach towards you know, one and
all who decide to call Australia home. And we've been

(22:22):
very proud it's been an open door policy when it
comes to migration. But this has got a lot of
people today and you've read it in the column Issues,
You've seen it on social media here on the twalk
back lines. Today people are wondering, hold on a minute,
what's going on If you don't want to come to
Australia and you don't want to come to Australia and
assimilate and be part of what is an open and
free society, then you've got to get tough about it.

(22:43):
And I think the sort of kumbaya approach at the
moment of the alban Easy government is coming into question.
I would suggest there'll be a huge surge here if
the opposition doesn't take advantage of this politically, for probably
Pauline Hanson's One Nation Party. But have a look at
the hero. This is probably is such a dark time today.
The hero of yesterday, that greengrosser from Kranulla, Ahmed Alhamad,

(23:08):
and he's a Syrian, right, and he goes in there.
We've all seen the pictures now that tackle that he performed,
that fruit shopping Cranulla will never have another bad day
of business. He's going to be the most successful convenience
to a fruit shop owner in Australia at the moment.
And what an act of bravery. He is a hero
and he has shown to everybody else, hey, I love

(23:30):
this place and I want to protect it from all
costs as well. So that's one sort of glimmer of
hope we can take out of yesterday, but you know,
just a couple of weeks before Christmas as heartik here
is obviously underway just on the postcard beach of Australia,
if not one of the most iconic beaches in the world,
that this could happen. Bryan, it is just heartbreaking, is
absolutely heartbreaking, a terrible day to this country.

Speaker 2 (23:53):
Olie, really appreciate you being with us this afternoon seventeen
away from five Olipeds and our Australia correspondent. Now go
to Wellington Airport and have a look at what's going
on down there. You'll see some massive blocks being put
up on either side of the airport. They apparently look
a little bit like lego blocks. What is going on
in Wellington? Well I can tell you Wellington Airport spreading

(24:16):
its wings because it's got a short runway and they've
always hated that and they wanted to extend it. Remember
they wanted to go into the cook straight for like
three hundred and fifty meters. They needed to add to
it so they could have the big jets landing. Well
that obviously didn't go anywhere because Wellington doesn't do anything
or make decisions. Well, hopefully Andrew Little will start that.

(24:36):
But anyway, what they have done I think is genius
and why did they not do this from the beginning.
So they're putting these big blocks in manufactured in the US,
in pits, and they'll be placed like giant like giant
lego blocks, energy absorbing blocks that crush under the weight
of an aircraft's wheels if it overruns the runway, bringing

(24:57):
it to a safe stop. So you don't need had
a big long runway. You can just have these sort
of gravel lego pits at each end. And Bob's your uncle.
You've added well, you have added the equivalent of three
hundred and fifty meters of track that you didn't have before.
So the length landing length of the runway extended by
one hundred and thirty meters and twenty six meters for takeoff.

(25:19):
This will allow the latest model long haul jets, including
the Bowing Triple seven X, to fly direct to Wellington
with a full load. Great work around sixteen to five
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Speaker 1 (25:30):
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Speaker 2 (25:34):
Thirteen away from five barries over here with politics Barry
good afternoon, Good afternoon. Right, I'm terrible about what's happening
in Sydney obviously, isn't it.

Speaker 11 (25:41):
Well, it's shocking and you know we've all been through
that in this country. When you think back to the
Moss killings when fifty one people were killed, I remember
feeling honestly speechless. In your Australian correspondent said that he
felt really emotional talking about it. Is just awful that
you something like this can happen in a country like

(26:03):
Australia and like New Zealand. And of course the perpetrator
of the New Zealand Moss shooting wasn't Australian, Brenton Tarrant.
But that you can't make. You can't play politics with
this game. Even though Chloe Swarbrick has been singled out
by a number of people because of her statements, but
look like us all. It was the shaken Prime Minister

(26:26):
who spoke to journalists this afternoon.

Speaker 12 (26:28):
Terrorism and hate have no place in our societies. Violence
of any kind is unacceptable, whether it is targeted at
people of Jewish or any other faith. We all need
to call out in tolerance when we see it. There
is room in this world for everyone to live side
by side at peace. At the stage, we have no
indication that any New Zealanders have been injured in the attack.

(26:49):
Let's all continue to look after each other, especially our
Australian and our Jewish friends. At this time, you're shocked
and appalled to think that something like that could happen
in a place where so much fun typically takes place.
And you have to be honest, as I watched those
images late last night, you know, into the early hours
of this morning, you know it's really sickening, and you
know your thoughts immediately go to the families of loved
ones who lost someone yesterday. You think about the people

(27:11):
that are fighting for their lives in hospital right now.
There are incredible stories again first responders, but also incredible
stories of just people in the local community coming down
onto the beach and helping where they could and can.

Speaker 11 (27:22):
And that amazing man that came to n disarmed.

Speaker 2 (27:26):
One of the guns, the fruit shop owner. I'm incredible.

Speaker 11 (27:29):
I can't even envisage that a father and son would
be resigned. How could you go.

Speaker 2 (27:36):
Because the first thing, no exactly, the first thing you
think is, oh, their parents will be absolutely ashamed, And
then you realize the dead's in honors. Hey bears have
got behind through tomorrow. The supers we pushed out again.

Speaker 11 (27:48):
Yes it will be. That'll be the third time it's
been pushed out. But no doubt Nichola will Us will
have a good argument for it. Less aptually does have
a good argument for it because.

Speaker 2 (27:58):
The debate is it happening?

Speaker 11 (28:01):
What has happened?

Speaker 2 (28:02):
Well, I'm mary on board now.

Speaker 11 (28:05):
I know I've texted the Taxpayers Union today, well who's moderating?
Where is it at?

Speaker 8 (28:11):
What?

Speaker 2 (28:12):
And I've heard anything now, But look, I.

Speaker 11 (28:14):
Think I think it will be on Thursday, because that's
certainly the last word from Nikola Willis on it. But
that debate. Luxon says he understands why Nikola Willis wants
to put up the government's case against former National Finance
Minister Ruth Richardson.

Speaker 12 (28:30):
I think it is important that she feels she can
defend the record of this government and the approach of
this government and what we're doing. I think you would
have seen last week, you know, we had major RMA reform.
I think that was well understood, that was well supported
across the country. This week we've got Haifu tomorrow on Thursday,
we'll have the GDP growth numbers.

Speaker 3 (28:45):
Why.

Speaker 12 (28:45):
I think what's important is that for most of these islanders,
they really focused on Christmas. They focus on Christmas shopping,
and they need to know that actually we're going into
Christmas with the economy building and with good momentum.

Speaker 11 (28:54):
See, there's always a positive to all these things.

Speaker 2 (28:57):
Right, nothing positive at your house apparently.

Speaker 11 (28:59):
Role Well, thank you for bringing that up.

Speaker 2 (29:02):
What is the domestic dispute?

Speaker 11 (29:04):
And I want to take this opportunity actually to tell
you the real story about something my other have said
on the breakfast show this morning about the debate. Have
her listen to hearther.

Speaker 2 (29:14):
And I'll give you the real story.

Speaker 13 (29:16):
I'm here for this debate. But this debate between Nicola
and Ruth is getting more and more ridiculous by the
day because I don't know if you've heard what the
latest is, but there is, for one hot minute, they
thought that the moderator should be Winston. Apparently this idea
has emanated from within my household that Nicola texts me
last night. I said it was Barry's idea. So apparently
Barry Soaper came up with the idea that Winston should

(29:36):
be the moderator. And then pitched it to Nichola's office,
and then nicholas office were like, hmm, thank the good Lord.
Winston is otherwise occupied and will not be doing it
because I'll tell you there's no chance that you would
get to hear anything from Nichola or Ruth. It was
be the Winston show talking about I don't know, you know,
the evils of capitalist I can't that. No, thanks, I
want to hear from the ladies anyway. Barry can defend himself.

(29:58):
I think it's a terrible idea. Not allowed to say that.
I'm not allowed to tell him anymore, like as off
limits in the house. I'm not allowed to say your
idea sucks. So I just say it on the radio
to you and then he can defend it later on.
We just have we just have that, like, just have
a fight through you.

Speaker 2 (30:11):
Basically, that's how normal it's all out there. I hate
to get in the middle of this, but I think
that that may have come from me on Friday afternoon,
because I said that you were you were getting Winston involved. No, well,
thank you very much.

Speaker 11 (30:29):
Right, well, you know, I just the argument in that case.
But the thing is that it wasn't me that suggested
that Winston might be the moderator of the debate. In fact,
it was the taxpayer Union itself.

Speaker 2 (30:42):
You were just talking him like a good journalist. I
went to Winstein and said, would you do it?

Speaker 11 (30:48):
And he said yes, probably willis.

Speaker 2 (30:51):
I've muddy the waters. I said, you were orchestrating the
whole thing.

Speaker 11 (30:56):
Thanks right, I'm leaving.

Speaker 2 (30:57):
I've had enough. Get out, Yeah, go home to Heather
and explain yourself. Eight minutes away from five News talks.

Speaker 1 (31:05):
Big, the headlines and the hard questions. It's the Mic
Hosking breakfast.

Speaker 13 (31:10):
Christopher Lux and the Prime Minister is in the studio
with us. This debate between Nikola and Ruth.

Speaker 14 (31:15):
Is this a good idea?

Speaker 12 (31:16):
Look, I mean, Nikolair is right to defend herself and
defend our government. As I said to you last week,
I do find it odd that the TPU want to
encourage a radical labor agenda of text must and.

Speaker 2 (31:26):
I want to say to you here that, because I
know you've probably.

Speaker 12 (31:28):
Got sympathies towards that side of things, we have lowered
in context.

Speaker 13 (31:31):
I'm not going to defend your taxpayers union in this
I think they're just trying to get more for school discipline,
which I don't think is a bad idea. But is
this debate a good idea? Like this thing has just
got legs of its own.

Speaker 2 (31:40):
It's gone, Natty, Look, I don't know the bottlelight is that.
I think she's right to defend herself.

Speaker 1 (31:45):
Hither duplicy Ellen on the mic asking breakfast back tomorrow
at six am with the defender and use togs dead.

Speaker 2 (31:51):
B coming up five away from five now, Ryan. In
regards to the Wellington Airport story, Yes, it is awesome technology.
This is the big block that they put at each
end which your plane will hit and rather than explode,
it will just stop. Apparently that's how the theory. Anyway,
that's what it's meant to do. In regards to the story, yes,
it's awesome technology. On a side note, though, the other
thing that occurred to me this means the airport has

(32:13):
given up on lengthening the runway. One wouldn't spend that
money at each end if there was a chance of
needing to remove it and then extend it. But what's Chris,
what's wrong with that? They don't need to extend the
runway three hundred and fifty meters into the cook strait
do they because they've just put the big lego blocks
at the end and it has the same effect. So
who cares. You can still land the biggest jets that

(32:35):
fly in the skies on a shorter runway, so why
do you need a longer one? That would be my
question nine two nine two if you work at the
airport and you know the answer to that coming up
to four minutes away from top of the nail from
five o'clock. Now I have to get his name correct
because he doesn't have a thing anymore. Andrew mount Batten Windsor.
He is the butt of the Christmas joke. They put

(32:58):
it out there to the country. Give us a Ristmas
cracker joke and the winner. Why is Prince Andrew not
writing any Christmas books? Answer? He hasn't got any titles.
That's from a kid. He wins fifteen thousand, sorry, fifteen
hundred pounds towards a holiday. Good on him. We'll talk

(33:18):
more on the tear attack out of Sydney after news
and how can you make your kids a two dollars lunch?
We'll tell you news talks. They'd be.

Speaker 1 (33:42):
The only drive show you can try to ask the
questions just to get the answers, find the facts and
give the analysis. Ryan Bridge on Hither Duplicy Ellen Drive
with one New Zealand and the power of satellite mobile
news talks.

Speaker 2 (33:56):
They'd be good evening at seven after five on your
Monday nights. Now to Bondo Beach. This terror attack and
the suspects. A twenty four year old His name is
Navid Arkram. He's in custody right now. His dad, who's fifty,
was shot dead at the scene.

Speaker 15 (34:11):
The son is an Australian born citizen. The father arrived
in nineteen ninety eight on a student visa, transferred in
two thousand and one to a partner visa, and after
each trip overseas since then, has been on resident return visas.

Speaker 2 (34:27):
So we're learning more about these two now. Reportedly the
dad originally came from Pakistan. Police won't confirm that yet.
Doctor Levi West is a terrorism research fellow at the
Australian National University with me, good evening, Good evening, Aden,
very well, thank you. How are you doing. How's Australia doing.

Speaker 16 (34:46):
Ah, Look, I think this is rattle the country in
a quite significant and consequential kind of way. I don't
think anyone was expecting something of this kind of scale
and gravity to take place in an iconic location like
Bondo Beach.

Speaker 2 (35:02):
We're hearing that they've both pledged allegiance to ISIS. Do
we know that for sure yet?

Speaker 16 (35:08):
There's some indicators in the public domain suggesting that certainly
the younger of the father and son duo had previously
been investigated for their tie for their connection to Islamic
state cells within Australia. There is talk in the public
domain that they found Islamic state flags and the vehicle.
None of this has been formally confirmed as official information

(35:32):
by the government. I would expect that sometime over the
next day or two. If that's if those claims are true,
then they'll be confirmed by the relevant authorities.

Speaker 2 (35:41):
Doctor Levy. The thing that's jumping out at me, and
I'm sure it is for others as well. As You've
got the son who allegedly head links to an ISIS guy,
and then you've got the dad and they're both living
in the same house and the dad's got sex legal firearms.
How does that work?

Speaker 16 (35:57):
So I think it's important in the aftermath of any
terrorist attack to remember that the assessments for things for instance,
the father's gun license. He met the requirements to pass
the application for a gun license because he hadn't committed
a terrorist attack. Yet, when we look back after an incident,
it's easy for us to ask questions about, well, why
didn't we do something about this person, It's because they

(36:18):
hadn't done anything at that point, and that associations with
people and associations that your son has with people who's
not necessarily sufficient to rule.

Speaker 2 (36:28):
You out of measures the new stuff.

Speaker 16 (36:30):
While the state government is talking fairly transparently at the
moment about tightening what is, by any measure, some of
the toughest gun laws in the world, you know, none
of these things are foolproof. I think that's important thing
to keep in mind that just because someone has gotten
through the system doesn't mean that the system is comprehensively flawed.

(36:50):
It means that there's a small gap there that someone's
managed to slip through.

Speaker 2 (36:54):
Anti Semitism, extremist Islamic ideologies, all these things. Are they
more prevalent in Australia than they are in other places?
Or is it just because we're at next door to
you that you know, we notice it more.

Speaker 16 (37:08):
I don't think it is if you track, for instance,
some of the anti Semitism activity that's been happening in
Europe in particular, where the baseline level of activity is
like in numerical terms but also in terms of severity,
is higher than it is in Australia, for instance, but
there's more incidents and they tend to be more severe.
They haven't reached into this kind of level of proper

(37:30):
kinetic terrorist activity, but it's more like sabotage than it
is graffiti. It's not to say that it hasn't happened
in Australia, obviously it has. But there are other parts
of the world where where the kind of anti Semitism
that we've witnessed here has been more prevalent and more consequential,
you know, and Australia is I think this is something

(37:50):
that Australia and New Zealand has learned really in very
difficult ways. And speaking here about New Zealand's experience with
christ Church and now Australia's experienced with WITHNAI, is that
as much as it is easy in both Australia and
New Zealand to feel like we're largely disconnected from the
world and that we live in splendid isolation because for
most of the time we do the realities that we

(38:13):
don't that these things happen all over the world, and
that that includes Australia and it includes New Zealand. So
you know, yes, we have had a significant increase in
anti Semitic activity in Australia since October seven. Much of
the Western world has experienced that significant uptick in anti semitism.
The United States has, Canada has, the UK certainly has. So,

(38:36):
you know, I think it's important in these things. Regrettably,
these kinds of incidents remind us that Australia and New
Zealand are part of the world despite our geographic isolation.

Speaker 2 (38:48):
All right, we'll leave it there, Levia. I really appreciate
your analysis tonight. I believe I wes who's say, national
security expert at a and you across the testment. Now
to the hero and everyone if you live on planet Earth,
you've seen this video today of the hero. This is
the fruit and veggie shop owner who hides behind a car,
leaps out, grabs the gun off the baddie and then

(39:10):
points the gun at the battye so that he doesn't
come after him. Incredible footage seen around the world. Trump's
weighing in. We'll get to that in a second, but first,
his cousin. This is Arpmed l Upmed. His cousin has
spoken out too, but we hope he will be fine.
He's a hero one d percent. He's a hero because
once we see on the on the on the social media,

(39:30):
he's like one hundred percent hero. He certainly is. The
thing I would worry about is if you pick up
a gun and a live shooting environment like that, you know,
you had police snipers that were coming in and anti
terrorist squad group's coming in. If you pick up a gun,
you just worry that you might get the you know,
someone might confuse you for the terrorists and shoot you anyway.

(39:52):
Armed al Upmed has another cousin here.

Speaker 17 (39:54):
He is he's got like two shots, one of them
like in his shoulder, the other one his young That
was very bad. He was getting he was like he
was shocked on his hero. He's done a surgery now
he's still in the recovery.

Speaker 18 (40:10):
What was it like when he grabbed that gun off
the gun then.

Speaker 19 (40:13):
You know, yeah, he was very spurt.

Speaker 17 (40:15):
He was looking he fought me like him, I want
to die.

Speaker 3 (40:18):
I want to.

Speaker 17 (40:18):
I love you there with me, don't leave me.

Speaker 2 (40:21):
Legion probably saved lives at Bondi Beach. I reckon. Did
Donald Trump give him a shout out too?

Speaker 5 (40:26):
It's been there's been a very very brave person actually
who went and attacked frontally one of the shooters and
saved a.

Speaker 3 (40:35):
Lot of lives.

Speaker 20 (40:36):
So very brave person who's right now in the hospital.

Speaker 21 (40:39):
So I great respect to that man that did that.

Speaker 2 (40:44):
And time now it's five fourteen, Bryan Bridge. You wouldn't
guess it from the headlines, but some parts of the
school lunches program aren't actually working well. In fact, most
parts are working well. You just hear a lot about
the moldy school lady from christ Church. However, kids Can,
which provides meals to around ten thousand early childhood centers,
is as set students, I should say, is getting some

(41:05):
great feedback ninety seven percent for consistency, hygiene, ninety eight percent,
ninety five percent for service as a whole. Dame Julie
Chapman is the Kids Can founder with me, Dame Julie.
Good evening, Good evening, Ryan, how are you very well?
Thank you? Things are going well at your.

Speaker 22 (41:21):
In then, yeah, I mean, it's it's amazing to get
that feedback, and I think that it's it's a real
testament to the team at kids Can and the work
that they've put in. And I guess the way that
we actually run that particular food program which is quite

(41:42):
separate from the school lunches and it's a bit more
bespoke in the way that we do it, but we're
super proud of it.

Speaker 2 (41:49):
What, yeah, I can tell us about what you're doing,
because I'm imagining because the younger kids, you're not doing
hot meals all the time. Is it more basic stuff
than that?

Speaker 23 (41:58):
Well, what we.

Speaker 22 (41:59):
Do is a sly We've worked with a group of nutritionists,
the Heart Foundation in the past to develop a range
of nutritious, wholesome, you know, kid friendly I guess, recipes
for children under five. Those ingredients for those recipes are
delivered on a weekly basis through our supply partner, and

(42:23):
they go to each individual center and then within the center,
depending on the menu that they've chosen, they will prepare
and cook those recipes. A lot of them are hot meals,
but they're prepared from scratch using the ingredients on site.
And I guess the point I would make is you know,
we're talking about a lot smaller kind of role numbers.

(42:44):
You're talking thirty to fifty kids as opposed to you know, hundreds,
potentially thousands of kids. So that bespoke model for early
childhood works really well.

Speaker 2 (42:56):
More of my food bag situation where you seen the
stuff and then but you've got to look at yourself.

Speaker 22 (43:02):
Yeah, and a lot of early childhood centers they are
already set up to have kitchen facilities, so it's kind
of ingredients that can be put together. Kids love it,
and I guess the results that we're seeing from that
in terms of you know, our service, but importantly more
importantly kids participation, trying new foods, eating more veggies. We're

(43:25):
just loving that as well.

Speaker 2 (43:26):
Awesome, don't judy. What does a meal cost?

Speaker 22 (43:30):
On average? It costs us around two dollars to provide
the meal. So that's the ingredients, the distribution, everything included.
And I guess you know, we're not for profit, so
we're able to do that and we have some amazing
partnerships with suppliers of food.

Speaker 2 (43:46):
Keep it out, So keep it up, Dame Julie, Keep
up the good work, Dame Julie, Chapman Kids Count Founded
with Founded with us. Tonight's seventeen minutes after five. By
the way, the money that allows us to fund those lunches,
those that program for the the early childhood education is
the money saved from David Seymour's savings drive for the

(44:07):
older kids. So the older kids get a meal that's
just as nutritious, arguably but cheaper, and the younger kids
get something for free. It's seventeen after five, News Talks
abit zeb James Cameron next, well, not him, but we'll
talk about him five twenty on News Talks zib Ryan.
This is from Grant. Why don't the older kids make
their lunch from supplied ingredients just like the under fives?

(44:29):
Good question, Grant. Presumably there are too many of them.
They're fussy. I don't know, but it's a lot hell
of a lot cheaper, as we just heard from kids
can to do it that way at two bucks a pop. Right.
Oscar winning director James Cameron says New Zealand needs to
get serious about attracting overseas film productions because the subsidies
aren't big enough. They reckon earlier this year, you'll know

(44:50):
we changed it. The film rebate scheme allowing more productions
to claim back up to twenty five percent of what
they spend. Here, Cameron says, still not enough.

Speaker 24 (44:58):
I think that the little incremental change to the rebate
scam recently is it's in it. It's an effort in
the right direction, but it's far from sufficient to do that.

Speaker 2 (45:09):
And he marries with us from the Film Commission Chief Executive,
Good evening, Good evening, Annie. Sure, Ryan now is so
twenty five to twenty five percent? How does that compare
with the rest of the world.

Speaker 25 (45:21):
Well, we're still sitting around about the middle of the pack,
which we have been for more than ten years, and
we have built an industry on that. It's not all
about that headline rate. There's so much more that New
Zealand brings to the table. That is the reason that
we've attracted such enormous production to New Zealand over all

(45:41):
this time. I have to say though, that Jim Cameron
is right. There are some territories in most noticeably Australia,
which is a lot more competitive than us. They went
from a sixteen percent rebate to thirty so they nearly doubled.
And then you can add state rebates on top of that,
they are very very busy, and I think what our

(46:03):
industry is feeling is the comparison between us and there.

Speaker 2 (46:07):
And that's see the problem is because all they've got
is dirt. I mean, and they read dirt and then
they've got a bigger subsidy. So I mean, we are
clearly the more beautiful country. If we up the subsidy,
we'd get more films, wouldn't we.

Speaker 25 (46:19):
Well it's not quite as simple as that. Yes, there
would be some more films, absolutely, But what they're coming
for too is our world class people who are very
very experienced at delivering at scale and at very very
high tech and also just being fantastic people to work with.
You'll see every interview that is done with those Hollywood

(46:41):
producers they say that they love coming here, they love
working with New Zealanders. Yes, they are looking for the
best for their bottom line, but they're also looking first
and foremost for a creative fit and they're certainly finding
that here.

Speaker 2 (46:54):
Any is the risk that, though, that if we don't
up the subsidies, that that talent is taken out from
underneath us by the Aussies.

Speaker 25 (47:02):
There's always that risk, and what we have done. Is
up to the subsidies about six weeks ago, so we
have yet to see the results of that.

Speaker 2 (47:11):
Not enough for Gym, not enough for James.

Speaker 25 (47:13):
Well, you know, Jim's at the top end of town.
He's making the most expensive film in the world, and
you know he is the first to admit to that.
So that is a very challenged business model. We've got
to be realistic about that. You know, when you're making
very high budget films, you've got to bring in a
massive audience worldwide to make the revenue to justify that.

(47:33):
So you know there is pressure on that model. There's
no denying that streamers have made an enormous difference to
the cinema attendance. We all know that everybody's happy to
sit at home and watch movies on the telly rather
than go to the movies. So you know, things have
to change and.

Speaker 2 (47:52):
A whole new world. And I really appreciate you coming
on the show tonight. Thank you, Annie Murray. Film Commission
Chief Executive Time is twenty three minutes after five. I
have a quick for Nikola Willis next.

Speaker 1 (48:02):
Cutting through the noise to get the facts. It's Ryan
Bridge on hither duplessy Ellen Drive with one.

Speaker 3 (48:08):
New Zealand coverage like no one else news.

Speaker 2 (48:11):
Talks, they'd be by twenty six. I have a very
important question for the Finance Minister tonight. She's on the
program just after News at six, and it affects everyone
with a mortgage because a third of us, a third
of mortgage holders will be refixing over this summer period.
So that is a hell of a lot of us.
Think about how many people that is down at the
beach under the umbrella with cell phones out scrolling bank rates,

(48:33):
trying to figure the whole thing out. Doesn't sound very
relaxing already, does it. The banks are there, obviously, the
sharks circling with their cash back deals, trying to rope
you win, and we're all desperate to just jump in
the ocean. It's hot on the sand, the feet are burning.
We just want to get the thing done, don't we.
We want to get him there, except we don't want
to get eaten by the sharks. We want the best

(48:54):
deal possible from the banks, and we need to know
when to fix and we need to know for how long.
To do that, you need good information, sound, clear information
communication from in particular the Reserve Bank, except that's not
what we got at the last meeting, is it? We
got confusion, We got mixed messages from Hawksby's last hurrah.

(49:19):
They've muddied the waters were now swimming in murky waters
with sharks great. The markets have been given the impression
that rates will start climbing again from February. How do
we know this well, the retail rates are already starting
to climb again. And the new Swedish import Anna Bremen
not Ikia. She's come in and was given a chance

(49:39):
to clarify this last week but didn't. So question for
Nikola willis after six o'clock tonight should the Reserve Bank
come out and clarify its position publicly? And is three
months between meetings? Three months between Reserve Bank ocr meetings
a little long to let bad information fester in already

(50:02):
infested waters, Ryan Bridge, we'll ask twenty eight minutes after
five News Talk ZMB names up in the cards.

Speaker 11 (50:12):
Oh yeah, let's know what we don't.

Speaker 1 (50:18):
Hard questions, strong opinion, Ryan Bridge on Heather Dupicy Ellen
drive with One New Zealand and the power of satellite
mobile News Talks MBS.

Speaker 2 (50:33):
I can wait to see those face twenty four away
from sex yar on News Talk ZB we'll get to
the huddles shortly with Trisherson and Gareth Hughes. Nichola Willis,
the Finance Minister, Live after sixth evening. Now the cops
in the US, so they arrest a guy. This is
the mass shooting at Brown University. People were very scared, petrified.
They reportedly get a call from someone who dabs in

(50:56):
who they think the shooter is. So the police then
take action. They've got a cell phone number of this guy.
They immediately take action. They go and locate him by
a GPS, track him down to a hotel room. He's
in a hotel room with two firearms. They arrest him,
they haul him in. Word gets out, media is reporting it.

(51:17):
Police now say they're going to have to release this person.
They might have got the wrong guy. So I mean,
be careful what you wish for and don't act too soon.
I suppose twenty three away from six now you'll see police,
some heavily armed outside Jewish schools and synagogues here in
New Zealand after what happened in Sydney. Joining me ours

(51:37):
Mike Panet, the Assistant Police Commissioner Good evening.

Speaker 20 (51:40):
Mike, Good evening, Ryan.

Speaker 2 (51:43):
So you've been talking to your colleagues across the ditch today,
have you. What are they telling you?

Speaker 20 (51:48):
Yes, So we're in constant communication with their colleagues in
Australia and they are keeping us surprised, as would be expected.
We have offered our assistants and support to them, but
at this stage, their investigations continue and we will continue
to offer support and monitor what's happening across there.

Speaker 2 (52:06):
Why because people are texting and as you're talking, I'm
seeing police outside this school or this Why is that happening?
Is that just a precaution in case someone else follows suit?
Or do you have any specific information?

Speaker 20 (52:20):
So we have no immediate threat to New Zealand, so
our national count terrorism or terrorism threat level remains low.
What we are doing is assessing the information. We're assessing
any potential risk that comes off the back of it.
And while we're doing that, we are taking precautions. But
we're also providing reassurance, particularly to the viewers community and

(52:41):
to other communities out there, to let them know that
we are out there, we are monking, we are present
for them.

Speaker 2 (52:48):
What should people do? I know you put you put
advice out on this a couple of months ago. What
should you do if you find yourself, God forbid, in
a situation like that?

Speaker 20 (53:00):
Yeah, the terrible situation, but the crowded places strategy that
was released a couple of months ago, it's pretty clear.
So three simple things to remember. The first one is
to escape, to move quickly and quietly away from danger,
but only do it when it's safe to do it.
The other thing is to hide and stay out of sight,
silence your mobile phone, and don't reveal yourself to any offenders.

(53:24):
And the third thing is to tell. So call the
police as soon as you can dial one one one
when it's safe to do so. We will absolutely attend
as fast as we can. But you know, as the
circumstances of showing over the last day, there is you
know that no time, no advance warning, and just the

(53:45):
terrible consequences of what's occurred.

Speaker 2 (53:47):
Mike, what did you think of that guy that you
know in the video, the hero who got up there
and got the gun.

Speaker 20 (53:54):
Yeah, look and incredibly brave without fear for himself moving forward,
So you have to recognize that. But you know there's
also the other side of that is you can avoid
doing so. You shouldn't put yourself at unnecessary risk. But
that doesn't diminish from the fantastic job he did putting
his own life at risking.

Speaker 2 (54:16):
He certainly did because I thought when he picked up
the gun, I thought, oh my goodness. You know, if
the police are there and they're sharpshooting from a distance
or something. I mean, at that point, things can get messy,
can't they Because you don't necessarily know who's who.

Speaker 20 (54:30):
Yeah, exactly, and when you arrive in a scene like
that is it is a very confusing situation. And so
you're one hundred percent Ryan, that is a risk and
another reason why you shouldn't do it.

Speaker 2 (54:43):
Appreciate your time tonight, Mike. Thank you. Mike Pannett, who's
the Assistant Police Commissioner. It is twenty to six.

Speaker 1 (54:48):
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Speaker 2 (54:54):
Huddling tonight, Trish Huson, Shirston Willis pr Good evening, Trish Hi,
Ryan Gareth hus Is with US two direct of the
Wellington Sorry well Being Economy Alliance ALTEDO and former Green MP.
Good to have you on the show too, Gareth, good evening.
How are you.

Speaker 20 (55:12):
Oh, I'm very good, Thank you very good.

Speaker 2 (55:14):
Nice to have you here. Hey, just a horrible situation
for us to wake up to the news or go
to bed last night to the news. Trush, what do
you think when you look at what's happening in Sydney
right now?

Speaker 18 (55:27):
Well, just on a human level, I simply can't understand
how you get to a state in your head where
you think it's going to do anything or change anything,
or as anyway you know, the way to go to
go out and just slaughter innocent people.

Speaker 2 (55:47):
I mean, it's just at the beach.

Speaker 18 (55:49):
It's just horrible, isn't it. And I think their most
awful thing about what's happened at Bondi is as usual
these individuals have chosen a really high profile target and
an event because their whole aim is to try and
send a message and you know, it might seem a
little bit kind of wofty and zen I guess, but

(56:13):
I always think when in situations like this, it's it's
a great example of hatred begets hatred and you know,
nothing good ever comes from that.

Speaker 2 (56:22):
It doesn't. And I mean already in Australia. They're talking
about migration, and they're talking about have we got the
settings right? All that kind of stuff, Gareth. But just
the thing that gets you is the evil, How evil
it is, how dark it feels when somebody can do
that to another person.

Speaker 20 (56:40):
Oh, I agree the trish.

Speaker 26 (56:41):
I can't fathom the thought process that would lead to that.
Absolutely horrible and it's at hate right, It's a extremeist
hate which is driving not only this but some other
shocking events that we've been victims of with the mosque
shooting in the past. And I know the police commissioner
has to say that are not urging people to be heroes,

(57:01):
but I salute Armed al Ahmed Like watching that footage
was just incredible. I understand he's a dad of to himself,
As a dad of too myself, I can't believe you'd
put yourself in such harm's way. But what an incredibly
brave man.

Speaker 2 (57:16):
Now I have to ask you this, Gareth. As a
former Green MP Chloe Swarbrick has been singled out individually
today by Debra Hart on this program, who's from the
Holocaust Center. Her rhetoric from the River to the Sea,
chanting at rallies. She says, that is exactly the type
of rhetoric which encourages bad stuff like this happening. Do

(57:37):
you distance yourself from that, Well, I wouldn't.

Speaker 26 (57:41):
Use those particular words, and I think it's also very
tasteless and I think pretty disgusting the comments of Benjamin E.
Yahoo blaming effectively Australia for their active Palestinian state recognition.
Eighty percent of countries around the world have done that.
The UN has done that since a resolution in the
nineteenth seventies. What we need to do is separate anti

(58:02):
Semitism and other forms of discrimination which have no place
in our society that drives hateful violence. But the policy
choices of a state which is signed up to international
law are two separate things. It's okay to criticize as well.
Anti Semitism is never okay.

Speaker 18 (58:20):
And I think that's one of the worrying things we've
seen how quickly the conversation around this moves onto a
political footing, which is completely wrong. These are two separate things.
This is a hideous evil act and trying to put
a political overlay on it. No matter what you think
about what's going on in the Middle East, it is
not okay to go and do what happened at Bondai Beats.

Speaker 2 (58:42):
One hundred percent. Trish Huson and Garetheu's on you Huddle
tonight back in a ticktook the Huddle with.

Speaker 1 (58:48):
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Speaker 2 (58:51):
Brand TB is thirteen minutes away from six. Trish Shurson
from Sheerson Willis pr and Garethew's former Green MP with
US tonight now. So Motor Trade Association is warning that
we shouldn't extend the wafts from one years to two
years one years two years because we will have more
cars with problems driving around on the streets and causing issues. Gareth,

(59:16):
do you have a problem? I mean to me, I'm like, sweet,
I'll save fifty bucks. It's about as much as I
thought about it. What do you reckon?

Speaker 26 (59:22):
Well, I mean that does sound nice, but I also
know people who have been in terrible car crashes and
had family members dyeing them. So, I mean, what's the
point of a waft? After all, it's about safety. We
drive some of the oldest cars in the developed world.
Our average older car is fifteen years old. I actually
kind of like going to the testing center. They tell me,
I'll to got to fill the oil, and I should

(59:43):
really do that. But I think, you know, basically we
should be common tent about this. This is about safety.
I see the AA saying that maybe it really should
be based on the amount of distance travel rather than
just the age, which could be seen as a bit
arbitrary for me. At the heart of it, we should
be making these decisions based on safety, not just cost
and productivity. I understand the forecasters that if we make

(01:00:05):
this change we could see eight additional fatal car crashes
as the estimate. You know, this is a question about
what we value and that comes at huge cost, more
so than me saving fifty bucks.

Speaker 18 (01:00:16):
I think all great points from Gareth, except I am
a fan of moving it out to two years. I
think probably the people who go and get a WAFT
every year, which is you know, a lot of people,
but they are also the people who probably book their
cars in for at least an annual service, if not

(01:00:38):
a couple of services. I think there's a huge rump
of people who are driving unregistered, unwarranted cars who this
will completely pass by. But I think for the majority
of people who are regular in getting their waft. They're
going to have their car serviced anyway, So I think
that's a mitigation against.

Speaker 2 (01:00:58):
The organized people.

Speaker 18 (01:01:00):
Organize people and probably the people who you want to
keep their car in good running order, because ultimately that's
going to save the money over time as well.

Speaker 2 (01:01:08):
True that hey, James Cameron wants some more money out
of us, Gareth, you have because things they do create jobs,
and the jobs are not just any old jobs. They're
normally quite well paid jobs, and they give us free
publicity by making amazing movies. So if he says jump,
do we say how high?

Speaker 26 (01:01:27):
Well, it's a really tricky one and I think it's
a genuine policy dilemma. On one hand, we're in an
arms race right against other countries that are also lowering
that and offering tax rebates and lowering things to attract them.
It's kind of an arms race, and there's a rest
that you're racing to the bottom. But on the other hand, right,
these are high value exports. I live in Wellington, you know,
I think five hundred million to the local economy. I

(01:01:48):
know people employed in the sector. I personally would rather
see New Zealand exporting weightless creative products like films or
games than dirty, old, polluting products. So in other countries
industrial strategy you actually pick some sectors that you really
want to foster and develop. I would be perfectly happy
with video games movies, but we needed a better job

(01:02:09):
of communicating the actual benefits. That's not clear. So I
think there's a lot of skepticism when Cameron, you know,
of course, in his own self interest, is going to
be saying we need more money. If we're going to
do that, there's another side of the deal. It's got
to have real benefits for local communities.

Speaker 2 (01:02:23):
Yeah, and it does. It does. I'm with you. I
actually think you should up it until we beat the Australians,
which are at thirty percent now apparently trus Well.

Speaker 18 (01:02:30):
I think it's a great area for New Zealand to
focus on because don't forget now with Lord of the Rings,
we've got almost thirty years of capability at the very
highest end of global movie making. I was around at
the time of the original Lord of the Rings movies
in Wellington and my husband was one of the crew

(01:02:51):
that got his start in filmmaking there, and it was
just incredible for those young guys to get a start
on a Hollywood movie and in a highly technical movie
like that, and a lot of them have gone on
and they are now the foundation of the New Zealand
film industry. I think from the government perspective, the issue

(01:03:11):
where is there is a lack of fact and evidence
based out there to say, you know, we are strategically
making this a focus. This is what we know about
its returns to everyone. These are the jobs created. So
I think they need to put the two They need
to decide if it is an industry they want to back,
and then they need to put the pieces of the
puzzle together and sell it.

Speaker 2 (01:03:29):
Ironically, they can't sell the movie story, which is you know,
the industry's filled with people who are selling things. But
I think you're right and the South Koreans are a
great example of this. You know the Demon Pop Gareth,
You've got kids, haven't you? The dem k Pop, Demon
Hunters whatever it's called, the show that the it on Netflix,
everyone's watching, And they did a survey of tourists coming

(01:03:50):
into South Krek because they've got this massive explosion and
tourism numbers. What are you coming for? Are the kids
wanted to come? Because this is where it's filmed, this
is where it's from, so it has a massive impact.
So I think I think you're right. We need to
sell the story better. Trish, thank you, Trish hus and
Shust and Willis pr Gareth Hughes who's the director of
the Well Being Economy Alliance ALTO and you'll know him

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(01:04:42):
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(01:05:04):
Breman reiterated that the forward path of the OCR published
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evolvers expected, the OCR is likely to remain at its
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In other words, you can probably keep it where it
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(01:05:26):
market conditions have tightened since November beyond what is implied
by our central projection for the OCR. As always, we're
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(01:05:46):
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Nicola willis on the show. After six we've got the well,
big day for her tomorrow. Probably gonna have to push
the serpace out again over in Australia after the terror attack.

(01:06:07):
Migration is now the topic dejure. Here's some of the
punters that Sky spoke to.

Speaker 21 (01:06:13):
So more people coming into this country.

Speaker 2 (01:06:15):
Where's the worse it goes? These are the.

Speaker 21 (01:06:17):
Government's fall to the governments who know exactly what's going on.
The happens second time, so people doesn't understand whatever happened?
Are they Wherever are you coming from? It stays there,
not this country.

Speaker 2 (01:06:29):
Yeah, this is the point that people are making. Don't
bring bad news to our shawes please. How will Elbow
deal with that? That'll be one for them. They're having
a meeting by the way in the next few minutes
talk about guns and sort of simplifying the gun laws,
making them more streamlined across the states. Whatever they can do,
really they are promising to do on guns. It is

(01:06:51):
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Speaker 2 (01:07:11):
Welcome to Monday seven after six. Now we'll get to
Shane Stoley with the market shortly the mta On wats
and Gavin Gray out of the UK before top of
the hour. Right now, Nikola Willis, the Finance Minister, joins
me live Minister, good evening, Good evening, run. I'm assuming
you would have been pleased to see this statement that
Arna Breman has come out with the Reserve Bank governor
kind of fixing up or correcting what the market was

(01:07:33):
interpreting from that November meeting.

Speaker 27 (01:07:35):
Well, she did note that financial market conditions had tightened
beyond what was implied by the Reserve Bank central projection,
that they were monitoring that and would continue to assess it.
And I note that the market has responded since she
made that statement, with wholesale rates coming down.

Speaker 2 (01:07:52):
It's great. I mean, I know you can't direct the
Reserve Bank tell them what to do, but did you
say or give a nudge to say, hey, maybe you
know you need to clarify your position or tell us
what you really think about it something like that.

Speaker 27 (01:08:06):
I think this is entirely consistent with what doctor Braman
has said she will do, which has been an open,
transparent and clear communicator. And that's what she's achieved with
the statement.

Speaker 2 (01:08:16):
God, isn't it refreshing.

Speaker 27 (01:08:18):
It's good, she's great, She's a great appointment.

Speaker 2 (01:08:21):
Ryan, Right, did Camnet talk about the terror attack in
Sydney today and if so, what was discussed?

Speaker 27 (01:08:29):
Yes, we did. We shared our concern how what was
clearly an anti Semitic attack and how vulnerable that makes
Jewish people feel around the world, but particularly here at home.
We talked about how shared support for that community and
our willingness to do what's required to ensure they continue

(01:08:49):
to feel safe here in New Zealand, and just our
general feeling of horror that such an event could occur,
in our sympathy for all Australians affected by it.

Speaker 2 (01:08:57):
Could you get any updates on sidecurity alerts for New Zealand,
whether we need to be more worried here?

Speaker 27 (01:09:06):
No, that wasn't what happened at cabinet, and regardless, we
don't comment publicly on matters of national security.

Speaker 2 (01:09:14):
Debra Hart, who's with the Holocaust Center, she came on
the program today and unprompted, she singled out Chloe Swarbrick
for some of her language and rhetoric around Jewish people.
Do you think politicians need to take this as a
sign to call the jets.

Speaker 27 (01:09:31):
Yes, yes they do. We need to be really careful
that in attacking the policies of a particular government, as
some political parties have done with regard to Israel, we
don't incite violence and hatred against the people, the Jewish people.
And there is no question I know from speaking to

(01:09:52):
the Jewish community that many in that community have felt
singled out by some of the rhetoric coming from politicians
in our parliament. There is no place for anti Semitism
in New Zealand. Every Jewish person in this country deserves
to feel safe.

Speaker 2 (01:10:08):
You got the hy for coming out this week and
well everyone reckons you're going to push a surplus out.
I mean, we did this, will you push a surpace
out or not dance last week? So we won't do
it again this week? But do you have do you
have anything you want to say about that? Because I
think people are expecting it now, Minister.

Speaker 27 (01:10:26):
You see, well there's one sleep to go and tomorrow.
What I get to set out is the government's continued
path back to surplus, our path to bending the debt
curve down, all of which can be achieved with ongoing
fiscal discipline. Importantly, I also get to update the Treasury's
economic forecasts, and that's what shows the picture for more

(01:10:48):
job creation and come growth into the future, people doing better.
And then on Thursday we get the actual update to
what's happened in the economy over the past few month
and all the signs from economists, including my own, that
we actually grew faster in that September quarter than anyone
was previously prepared to predict.

Speaker 2 (01:11:10):
Right, let's talk about the weird debate. It's I'm calling
it a weird debate because it seems it's gone on
too long, Like, just do it or just shut up
a bit.

Speaker 27 (01:11:20):
I'll look home with you, Ryan. We've booked a venue.
All that matters to me is there's a moderator. The
tax payers Union can live with that. All media can
be there. Happens this week so that we can get
it done. I'm up for it. But look, it seems
that there's all sorts of coming and going from the
other side. Frankly, if they don't want to have the debate,

(01:11:41):
that's on them.

Speaker 2 (01:11:41):
So who So what was what moderators did you agree to?
You agreed to the Bank, the Cameron bagri Winston Peters
and they won't agree to that or something like that.

Speaker 27 (01:11:52):
So yeah, we said, look, can bag ree fine, Winston,
Peter's fine, Toby manheih, fine, that doesn't really matter. What's
the key thing is I didn't want the timing to
clash with the release of GDP economic data on Tusday.
And then I thought it was important that will media
be able to cover the event. Other than that, I
don't really care, let's do it.

Speaker 2 (01:12:12):
Okay, Well they wanted to have it on this program,
So did you not agree to that? What's wrong with
this program?

Speaker 8 (01:12:17):
Look?

Speaker 27 (01:12:18):
I'm an equal opportunity player and I didn't want to
preference one media outlet over another. There was interest from everyone.
Ted and Z wanted to host it, stuff wanted to
host Who cares? New Zealand even put.

Speaker 2 (01:12:30):
In a y me. You got radio, you got online,
you got streaming, you got you got everything under the sun,
all handed to you on the plant, Minister.

Speaker 27 (01:12:40):
And well, I'd certainly want you to be covering it,
that's for sure, which is partly why we rejected the
idea of just doing it, for example.

Speaker 2 (01:12:48):
On the platformyone. Did the platform get in there with
a bid too?

Speaker 27 (01:12:54):
Yes?

Speaker 2 (01:12:56):
Did anyone not come in with a bid?

Speaker 27 (01:12:59):
Not that I'm a there was, there was widespread interest
and look for me, you know, I want it to
be about the substance, which is that I have very
good answers to a lot of the half baked attacks. Well,
we'll have to be that particular lobby group mate relish
the opportunity to give them rebuttal in real time.

Speaker 2 (01:13:20):
We'll have to take you with it. I suspect this
thing is not going to happen. It's going to be anyway.
Let's talk about that. So Advatar, By the way, I
saw you at the premiere. You looked fantastic in the
frock gown whatever it was, in the walking down the
red carpet. So that's great. What about you?

Speaker 18 (01:13:40):
Thank you, run, thank you.

Speaker 27 (01:13:43):
This was totally what I was expecting in my interview
this afternoon.

Speaker 2 (01:13:47):
The rebate situation though, so James Cameron saying, you know,
this is good, but we could do more. Does he
have a point because if it works, then you want
to be competitive, don't you.

Speaker 27 (01:13:58):
Well, look, we have made a confirmation that we're going
to continue that rebate and that involved a big commitment
in this year's budget. And I've listened to the sector
who said to me look, you need to make some
tweaks to this, minister if you want to attract more
international productions. We made some changes a few weeks ago
that have been welcomed by the sector and which actually

(01:14:19):
the Film Commission have told me has led to more
expressions of interest very rapidly following those changes. So look,
we're a listening government. We want the film sector to
succeed here and we'll make sure that those settings are
working to ensure we get international productions coming here, creating
key we jobs, creating big Keiwi incomes. That's what we
want to see.

Speaker 2 (01:14:39):
Brilliant. Hey minister, this will be our final chat for
the year. Well, I'm off on Thursday. You'll be off
whenever you're off. What are your plans this summer?

Speaker 27 (01:14:48):
Well, I'm very fortunate. I'm going to go to Riversdale
Beach on the Widded Upper Coast with our kids and
they'll be doing surf life saying, I'll be reading a
couple of novels and maybe having a gen T or two.

Speaker 2 (01:15:00):
Enjoy well deserved rest. Nikola willis the Finance Minister. Quarter
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gets to the markets nineteen after six for Shane Solly
Harbor Asset Management, Shane good Evening, get it right, so
do well. Bit of a surprise for the markets today,

(01:16:40):
wasn't it with the announcement the statement from the governor
at the Reserve Bank.

Speaker 28 (01:16:45):
Yeah, so, new Governor Anna Bremen did probably a little
bit of a nearly Christmas present for market san indeed
the economy by calling the risk of rate hikes. What
she said was in quite strongly worded comments, very much
sort of design to push back on market pricing of
interest rate hikes next year. Governor Bremen reinforced the official

(01:17:05):
case rate likely to remain at two twenty five for
some time. She said, the New Zealand economy is in
line with novemberg expectations that market conditions have tightened more
than the manation policy statement imply so a bit of
a reprieve there. Markets reacted quite positively. We saw probably
the most important one for mort which holders a three
year swap rate used as a reference point for some

(01:17:26):
bank mortgages. It fell just under zero point one percent
zero point nine to be exact. The three thirty one,
still well above their recent love of mid October and
two point six percent. New Zealand dollar pulled back a
little bit from its reason and high as against the US,
started to close at fifty seven to seventy. New Zealand
Shire market quite liked it almost one percent, led by

(01:17:46):
Strength and Phision and Vocal Healthcare, which is benefiting from
unfortunately an outbreak of flu in the northern Hemisphere looks
bad at milk and a bit of a bounce back
from recent weakness. And Auckland Airport was up on improving
traffic training. So certainly the market's liked that update.

Speaker 2 (01:18:01):
Well, it's just refreshing, isn't it really to have?

Speaker 28 (01:18:04):
Yeah, yeah, it's actually very your helpful. It's a good
timing to be doing.

Speaker 2 (01:18:07):
This, absolutely, particularly because we've we've got to wait until
February before we get on next meeting. Now the PSS
sign this is our Performance of Services Index in New Zealand.
The data was released a bit soft again today.

Speaker 28 (01:18:20):
Yeah, it's just telling us this service industry remains pretty mild.
Fell to forty six point nine and they've got down
from forty eight point four in October. Look, it's a
reading below fifty. That means we're contracting services index is
now read below fifty for twenty one straight months. This
is a real you know, a lot of people out

(01:18:40):
there will know this, but this data remains pretty challenging.
And so when we mix that with last week's stronger
manufacturing data, that sort of composite indicator suggests that we're
still going to see downside risk to even a modest
New Zealand growth number for early twenty twenty six. Governor
Breman's comments tonight today were pretty timely.

Speaker 2 (01:19:03):
Yeah, absolutely much much needed given the state of play there,
and of course services is a big chunk of the economy.
To the US. The share market down last week. This
is on the soft tech results.

Speaker 28 (01:19:14):
Yeah, and you know, down quarter percent zero point two
five percent, but really weighed by some of the artificial
intelligence heavyweights like Uricon, Broadcom. So we've seen some deflation
in this US semiconductor share price bubble that people are
quite rightly focusing on so the semiconductor and dixter to
includes big companies like a Video was down six percent

(01:19:35):
last week and that magnificent seven group of companies, So
it's quite a big chunk of global shar market benchmarks
that most qbs have a growth and balance funds have
an allocation too. But it's been a really good place
to invest run over the last twelve months. Indeed, you
know that semiconductor index is up eighty one percent year today,
so a little bit of a pullback after a big role.
What we are seeing the RYAN is a rotation of

(01:19:57):
performance to either industry sect. The sectors that benefit from
lower US federal interest rates strong recondom make it to
be things like financials, commodities, industrious, so they are providing
a bit of a fun off set to the US
tech pullback. So you know, we can sort of breathe
easily at this stage. And there are other things still
providing some support the quious however, and of course we've

(01:20:18):
got chat GPT five point two released overnight. It's got
people very excited, so you never know.

Speaker 2 (01:20:24):
You never know, all right, We live in hope and
and also hope for a big twenty twenty six on
the stock market too, hopefully the local economy as well. Shane,
Good to have you on the program is always Shane Soley,
Harbor Raset Management. You're on News Talks MB Schober's next
six twenty three.

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Speaker 2 (01:20:51):
News TALKSBB six twenty five. If you've seen movies like
The Princess Brianon when Harry met Sally, then the director
you'll know is he's also an actor. Rob Reiner. Police
are investigating a potential apparent homicide of two people at
Rob Ryaner's house. That's all they have said so far.
Firefighters went there. This is in the Brentwood neighborhood in LA.

(01:21:12):
They found a seventy eight year old man and a
sixty eight year old woman there dead. Now media, the
local media over there, the paparazzi and stuff. They're all
reporting that. Sources say the couple was killed by their
son neck. Police at this stage aren't confirming that information, though.

Speaker 29 (01:21:30):
There are going to be many family members interviewed. I'm
not going to confirm whether someone's being interviewed at this
time or not. We're going to try to speak to
every family member that we can to get to the
facts of this investigation.

Speaker 2 (01:21:42):
Very said a lot of activity outside. They're mentioned in
Brentwood right now. It is twenty six after six.

Speaker 1 (01:21:48):
There's no business like show business.

Speaker 2 (01:21:58):
You will know the song. The longest animated TV show
and history is continuing to find new ways to make headlines.
The Simpsons is now in its thirty seventh season, and
so they've got to do something they've never done before.
They've got to hype it up. They've made Maggie Simpson
the baby speak ha. She's voiced by a pretty major

(01:22:18):
actress as well. See if you can work out who
this is, Uggie, Maggie.

Speaker 13 (01:22:23):
West your voice you're still getting over with that wayland ginas.

Speaker 3 (01:22:27):
Please don't let bar drive. It's too scary.

Speaker 29 (01:22:30):
He drives so wiggly, and everybody hunts in us and
yells bad words and shows us fingers.

Speaker 2 (01:22:35):
Okay, whose voice is that? Does anyone can any of it?
Lindsey Lohan, I would never have guessed that you'll know
her from Mean Girls, Freaky Friday and multiple public breakdowns
in the late two thousands normally at nightclubs. Well, she's
pretty happy about this new gig, even if it was
just a cameo. In a flashforward scene, she said the
role was a dream come true. This isn't actually the

(01:22:58):
first time that the youngest Simpson has spoken in the show, though,
comedian Carol Kane said one sentence as Maggie all the
way back in season two. She's also been voiced by
Jodie Foster, James ah So this has happened loads before,
James Earl Jones as well over the years. There's even
a whole new Simpsons movie coming out soon right now.

(01:23:19):
It's set for July twenty twenty seven release. The question
is whenever will the Simpsons finish? Never? Never? It is
six thirty coming up six thirty Newsport Weathernex and then
we're in the UK before Top of the.

Speaker 1 (01:23:34):
R crudging the numbers and getting the results. It's Ryan
Bridge on the Business Hour with MAZ Motor Vehicle Insurance.

Speaker 3 (01:23:53):
Your future is in good hands. Used talks'd be.

Speaker 2 (01:24:05):
Good evening. It is twenty four away from seven. You're
on news Talk so here'd be great to have your company.
We're live to the UK before Top of the hour,
a lot of reaction around the world. I mean, everybody
knows Bondo Beach, everybody loves Bondo Beach, but the Brits
in particular, so they've had a lot to say about
that over there. Plus we will hear about what's happening
with some Christmas and Honiker plans in Europe as a

(01:24:25):
result of what's going on in Sydney. First though, let's
get stuck into it, shall we. If you've got a car,
if you drive a car, maybe you're a bit laxed
with your waft. While the Motor Trade Association says the
government's planned changes to wafts in the whole system are
a mistake, these are the changes that will mean you
don't have to go to get a waft as often,

(01:24:46):
only once every two years instead of every year if
your car is less than ten years old. James McDowell
is head of advocacy at the MTA and joins me, now, James,
good evening, good ending, How are you you good? Thank you? So,
So what's wrong with this because not all I mean,
if you think about organized, sensible people who would be
getting their wafts regularly and on time, they would surely

(01:25:09):
be looking after their cars anyway, wouldn't they.

Speaker 19 (01:25:14):
Well, there's a few things to that, and one is
that they might be good responsible drivers and looking after
their vehicles, and certainly that is a good thing, particularly
in between warrants. You know, keeping on tiles tires is
the most obvious thing, but as a system wide scheme,
the warrant fitness, it's often about the car coming the
opposite direction. You know, what's the standard and the condition

(01:25:37):
of the other cars on the road, how safe are they?
And with the warrant regime the way it is, with
the annual checks, particularly for those cars four to ten
years old, that is just a nice once a year
checking to ensure that things like breaks, tires, et cetera
are good to go, and there are risks associated with

(01:25:58):
stretching that out over two years. Particular, say a tire
might be right on the limit one point six millimeters
at the moment that that is a pass has to
be passed, and it's debatable if that's going to last
another year. Probably not, and the driver will be told,
you know, you need to get those tires done soon.
But you know, now you'll be looking at that and
connect last another two years and the outswer that is

(01:26:20):
most definitely no. So there is a safety concern in
all of this.

Speaker 2 (01:26:23):
Okay, what proportion of cars at the moment fail on
the you know, on the first guy of or.

Speaker 19 (01:26:28):
Off, Well, if you take out brand new cars that
come off the ship, because that's a little bit unfair
to include that. If you look at the general fleet,
it's in the low forties, but you know, approaching forty
three percent fail that that first inspection. And for those
newer cars, yes, the fail rate is lower, of course,
that's in between twenty and thirty one percent, and those

(01:26:51):
are the ones that will be moving to two years,
so the reasonable reasonable fail rates and even those brand
new cars were the three year warrants, once they go
for their three year checking there at about fourteen percent fail.

Speaker 2 (01:27:05):
Pretty bad, I would have thought, a pretty bad failure. Right,
What are we failing on? Is? You know, is it
actually important stuff or is it just little things?

Speaker 19 (01:27:16):
Well, I mean, obviously there's a lot to that, but
it's it's serally all important if it's in the room.
But it certainly tires breaks, those are the most common things. Lights,
you know, underbody to an extent, whether there's any rust
and so on. So but it's it's those really safety
critical ones that are that are the big concern. You know,
can can they be left two years? The other big

(01:27:38):
main point of all of this is that the review
or the proposals is pitched as a cost of living measure.
You know, it'll save you the time and the hassle
and the seventy bucks once a year to go get
a warrant of fitness, and we get it. We know
that it's a hassle, but the reality is when you
let the tires run down, it just causes exponential damage.
So you might save you seventy dollars, but come your

(01:28:00):
next warrant, you've got to do your tires, might have
to do all the tires this time, got to do
your breaks, potentially, maybe there's damage to the road is
Suddenly it becomes a very expensive exercise. So having these
annual checks is a good way to sort of stay
on top of that.

Speaker 2 (01:28:15):
James, are you just saying all of this because you
work for the MTA, and the MTA's job is to
represent the businesses that are fixing all the cars and
selling the new ones you have still in the game.

Speaker 19 (01:28:26):
It's actually sort of the opposite isn't it, Because you know,
our one thing our repairs have been saying to us,
and we do in terms of inspections, our members cover
about eighty percent of wolf inspections in New Zealand. But
if these warrants are pushed out, particularly if they go
all away four to ten years, get a two year warrant,
our repairs are saying to us, actually, you know, financially

(01:28:49):
be a good thing. Cars will come in with more
damage and have more repairs needed, and so it's actually
not such a bad thing, you know. But first and
foremost have said to us, Look, safety is paramount. We
see these cars, we're on the front lines and this
cars that come in for their twelve months warrant and
we think shee's imagine if that was on the road
for another twelve months.

Speaker 2 (01:29:09):
James, appreciate your time this afternoon, James mcdale, who's with
the Motor Trade Association. It is nineteen minutes away from
seven o'clock. We'll get to the UK with Gavin Gray next.

Speaker 1 (01:29:20):
Whether it's macro micro or just plain economics, it's all
on the business hours with Ryan Bridge and Mass Motor
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Speaker 3 (01:29:29):
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Speaker 2 (01:29:32):
Talk ZEBI sixteen away from seven, we'll get to Gavin
Gray out of the UK shortly. Lots of people texting
in about their WAFF and someone here says, eighty nine
dollars at vtn Z in Corpu Thames, eighty nine dollars
for one fitness. Well, I still pay fifty dollars for Like,
if you're just getting the warrant, I pay fifty dollars.
This is an Auckland. Ray is my mechanic. Ray shout out,

(01:29:55):
you're amazing, love you. Let's we could even drop that down.
We could even get down to forty forty five or
something like that. Anyway, we'll talk about that another time.
But Ray's brilliant. I had to go and see him
the other day because something my car. Someone has crashed
into my car while it's been parked, and I think
I know who it is, but I don't have the

(01:30:16):
kahunas to confront this person. So I'm living in an
apartment at the moment, and I park my car, you know,
like in the apartment's get numbered and you park your car,
and there's a guy that parks next to me that
has a four wheel drive, and I came out to
go to work the other morning, and there's a bloody
great dent in the side of my car and it's

(01:30:37):
got white paint or I can see white, and it's
like a big knock. I'm like, damn it, you know
who did this? And then I look at his car
and he has to back his in carefully to get,
you know, to get next to mine, and the back
corner that matches up exactly with the height of my
ding has white marks on it too. So I take

(01:30:59):
photos of my car, photos of his car. I've done
nothing about it. I've taken it to the garage, like
I'm getting it fixed, but I'm just gonna use my
you know, I'll just pay the excess on my insurance
because I don't want to. I can't be bothered.

Speaker 30 (01:31:12):
So you've done nothing about it except call this person
out on the radio.

Speaker 2 (01:31:16):
Yeah. The thing is, I've only recently moved into this apartment,
so I've never actually spoken to this person. And I mean,
I was thinking about would this person know what they did,
because surely if you hit another car and it's quite
a big dent, but then it's a big use and
you know, those things are large, and maybe you wouldn't notice,
and so because there was no note on my window. Anyway,

(01:31:39):
I'm going to leave it here. If look, if you
are this person then and you did do this, then
it would be nice if you said something. If you don't,
no worries, Okay, I'm gonna deal with it anyway. I'm
gonna deal with it anyway because it needs to be done.
Fourteen minutes away from seven, Ryan, just get to Gavin
Gray in the UK. Gavin, good evening, good morning to
you in there.

Speaker 8 (01:32:00):
An.

Speaker 2 (01:32:01):
How's the UK reacting to the stereo tech in Sydney, YEP.

Speaker 23 (01:32:05):
Lots of different celebrations of Hannekah, but of course remembering
their lost ones in their community. In Australia, a crowd
of around one hundred gathered outside the Australian High Commission
in central London for a vigil. People waving British Israeli flag,
some just have the signs stop the hate and the rabbi.

(01:32:28):
One of the rabbi's attending the vigil said, don't be afraid.
We should celebrate Hannekah and then at Trafalgar Square, a
large manora was lit up to mark the first day
of the festival, with hundreds of others also attending Hannocker
events in northwest London. So there is a definite sign
that there's an increased police presence in and around these

(01:32:50):
events taking place. But obviously huge sadness with one of
the dead victims named as a British born rabbi here
with family still in London, and some tense times as well,
after Benjaminette and Yaho Israeli leader comments effectively saying well,
there's countries where these attacks have allowed it to happen,

(01:33:12):
have allowed the cancer to festa. And of course we
remember back in Manchester where two people were killed in
an attack on a synagogue on Yom Kippur. So a
great deal of concern for the safety of Jews gathering
for various celebrations.

Speaker 2 (01:33:27):
Absolutely, and for people gathering generally in Germany. What's going
on in Germany?

Speaker 23 (01:33:33):
Yeah, I think this story's kind of gone under the radar.
This is because they just haven't really advertised or put
out and publicized what's been going on. But five people
have been arrested in Germany on suspicion of being involved
in a plot to drive a vehicle into people at
a Christmas market. They are three Moroccans, An Egyptian and
Assyrian and they've all been detained in the south of Bavaria,

(01:33:57):
and authorities say they do suspect an Islamist motive. According
to the prosecutors, the Egyptian who's a fifty six year old,
is alleged to called for a vehicle attack with the
aim of killing or injuring as many as possible, and
the Moroccans are allegedly agreed to carry out the event. Now,
the authorities don't say which market when it was planned,

(01:34:19):
but the German newspaper Built is reporting the Egyptian man
was an imam at a mosque in the area, and
there are there have been a number of attacks on
Christmas markets in Germany, perhaps the most significant in twenty
sixteen in Berlin, when a man drove a lorry into
a crowd, killing twelve people but injuring hundreds of others.

Speaker 2 (01:34:42):
And finally, the winner of last year's Eurovision Song contests
said that they're going to give their trophy back.

Speaker 20 (01:34:48):
What for?

Speaker 23 (01:34:50):
Yes Nemo says they're going to give their trophy back,
and that is because they don't agree with Israel's continued
participation in the event. The twenty six year old Swiss
singer says there's a clear conflict between Israel's involvement in
the competition and what's going on in Gaza and the

(01:35:10):
ideals of unity, inclusion and dignity that the contest says
that it stands for now. They of course have four countries,
indeed five now because another one's joined them. Iceland, Spain, Ireland,
Slovenia and the Netherlands have announced they were boycott next
year's event because Israel has been allowed to compete. Very
controversial last year in Israel nearly one with a huge

(01:35:31):
public vote, but that was with each person allowed to
vote twenty times, and of course the public vote was
massive for Israel. And really the Eurovision bosses have got
a court between a rock and a hard place there
because they've decided not to ban Israel, and Germany, for instance,

(01:35:52):
was saying that it would boycott if they did ban Israel.
So they are stuck in this. You know, they should
all be beyond polo. But quite frankly, I don't think
it can be.

Speaker 2 (01:36:02):
No, it doesn't sound like it either. Gavin, Thank you
for that. Gavin Gray, our UK correspondent with US tonight.
It is nine minutes away from seven News Talks VB.

Speaker 1 (01:36:12):
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iHeartRadio powered by News Talk ZBB News Talks VB.

Speaker 2 (01:36:20):
It is seven minutes away from seven o'clock now the news.
If you're just joining us about Rob Reiner and his wife,
they've been found dead. This is the Hollywood director sometimes
actor as well, if you probably know his face if
you see it. But he and his wife have apparently
been murdered inside their home, big mansion in Brentwood and

(01:36:41):
La murdered inside their home. And then the local journalists
are reporting that it was the sun that did it.
The cops haven't confirmed any of that yet, but they're
just saying at the stage they're investigating. And they got
a call about three point thirty in the afternoon, seventy
eight year old man and a sixty eight year old
woman were dead inside. So very very sad. When Harry
met Sally a couple of other movies you would probably

(01:37:03):
know he was either directing or part in part acting
in as well. News Talk said, B we will leave
you what are we going out with tonight?

Speaker 30 (01:37:11):
Ants Garden of Eden by Lady Gaga to play us
out tonight, Ryan. So, Lady Gaga has just finished up
her Mayhem Ball tour in Australia. Actually she her last
show was at Sydney's a Core Stadium on Saturday, and
there was a bit of a There was a bit
of a drama during this song because one of the
backup dancers fell off stage. Apparently it was raining out

(01:37:34):
at the Course Stadium and so the stage got all
slippery and so they slipped off the stage. But luckily
nothing bad happened. Lady Gaga saw it happen, and so
she quickly waved and said, hey, we need to stop
the song, ran up and checked that the dancer was okay,
said and he said on Instagram afterwards his name is
Michael Demeski, that he was fine. So he was able
to basically just get back on stage and keep dancing.
But then there was another delay later in the show

(01:37:54):
when she got her dancers to swap footwear for something
that was less slippery. So the go practical.

Speaker 2 (01:38:00):
Ah, well, I mean yeah, it doesn't make much sense
if it's raining to be gyrating around a star wet stage.

Speaker 30 (01:38:06):
That everyone's paid. You know, they've paid their money. If
she'd taken it to Forsyth Bar Stadium in Duneda. Now
they've got a roof rightout. Have been a problem, wouldn't it.
Lady Gaga, if you're listening, do.

Speaker 2 (01:38:16):
You know a friend you showed me the other day
that there's this the heat seeking equipment that they've got
and they put it on the pop stars as they're singing,
as they're belting out these big notes, and they reckon
that you can actually I can't believe I'm saying this,
but that they're actually passing wind as there, because if
you can imagine doing the big, chesty, big solos, that

(01:38:39):
they pass a lot of wind, and they've got a
particular camera and they put it all over Instagram and TikTok.
They reckon they can tell when these pop stars are
passing gas.

Speaker 30 (01:38:48):
I mean, I think that's the real thing, Rhinos. If
someone invented a camera that you can point at your
coworker and know whether they farted or not, that's agreeing
the lead here.

Speaker 2 (01:38:58):
Oh goodness, meat, Well, if you did go to you
go across the Testament, I hope you enjoyed it. From
what I've heard all accounts, it was brilliant. See you tomorrow, everyone, Tuesday.

Speaker 14 (01:39:06):
Use talks it Big.

Speaker 5 (01:40:32):
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Speaker 1 (01:40:35):
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