Full Show Podcast: 16 December 2025

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Pressing the newsmakers to get the real story.

Speaker 2 (00:03):
It's Ryan Bridge on Hither Duplicy, Ellen Drey with one
New Zealand coverage like no one else you saw said
be he gout.

Speaker 3 (00:11):
After noon ed is seven after four on your Tuesday.
Coming up on the show. Nichola Willis on the surplus
and growth, Where and when are they? Cameron Bagger gives
his take. After sixth evening, We'll speak to the Aussie
woman at the bedside of our Bondai Beach hero Fortnightly
rubbish collection coming for Auckland whether actually still debating. We'll
keep you updated. The lawyer who groped Summer Clarks gets

(00:32):
his practicing certificate back, and what's up with trade Me's revenue?
Right down, Ryan Bridge, Nice to have your company. Nine
two nine two is the number to text. Well, of
course you heard it here first last Monday. Pretty much
the surplus has been pushed out again. It's like waiting
for Christmas when you're ten years old. You know how
long December feels like when you are ten years old

(00:54):
and eternity, and that's what it's like waiting for this
surplus to come. This lot of now pushed it out
three times and changed the definition of surplus. Not only
have we moved the goalposts, we've also loaded them. Next
year's deficit is almost fourteen billion dollars. That's one point
eight billion worse than they thought it would be back
in May. We're not back into the black until twenty

(01:15):
thirty now instead of twenty twenty nine. And that's what
happens when you borrow a bunch of money that you
have to pay back and then you fail to grow
your way out of it. Basically, Grant Robertson went out
there with our credit card and bought a brand new
Lambeau and then bug it off. We got Nikola in.
She's promising. She has promised to get us some more

(01:37):
work to pay for the debt, so we won't go broke.
That extra work hasn't quite happened yet, so here we are.
The good news is that it is coming. They tell
us more than three percent next year in theory, all
going to plan, and Willis is promising to get the
surplus back by twenty twenty nine, even if the books
don't quite show that yet. I think this is enough

(01:59):
to get them reelected. Yes, it's bad, and I'll get
some bad headlines today, but enough to get them re elected,
providing no surprises from Winston because people know what the
alternative is, and that's more debt on ghost visits to
the doctor for billionaires who don't need it. With GPS
we don't have. Yes, they could please hooton sl and
slash spending. I'd be here for a bit of that,

(02:21):
but this is MMP. They are unashamedly a centrist party
that needs to win the center, and winning the center
means not spooking the horses, which is what massive cuts
would achieve. So another fiscal result we were mostly expecting,
telling us what we mostly knew was coming, Like the
last two polls of the year, though the pre Christmas

(02:43):
treat for Luxeen and Co is the growth is coming
on stream. Finally in theory in an election year, bread
Rich n minutes after four, we've got a new We're
getting a new MB I should say a new superministry

(03:04):
m suit. They're calling this one very fancy ministry for Cities, Environment,
Regions and Transport. It rolls several portfolios into one, replacing
the ministries for the Environment, Housing and Transport. Unsurprisingly, Chris
Bishop is the Minister for Housing, Transport, Infrastructure and RMA
reform and joins me. Now, Minister, good afternoon, Good afternoon.
Do you lose some job titles if you're the minister

(03:26):
of this big superministry.

Speaker 4 (03:28):
No, the portfolios are separate, and that's ultimately over to
the Prime Minister. But it's I think it'd be fair
to say that my experience and those portfolios has helped,
you know, convince me that bringing these agencies together into
into one agency is the right thing to do.

Speaker 3 (03:45):
So one agency, but will still have lots of ministers.
Is that not a bit dumb? Well, it will.

Speaker 4 (03:50):
It will have a range of ministers depending on who
holds the portfolios. Obviously I happen to have most of
them at the moment, but that that won't necessarily always
be the case. But if you think about the great
challenges we've got as a country, from housing, through our
infrastructure deficit, through to reacting to climate change for example,
all of these functions are actually they fit together right,
So you can't do housing without planning reform, which we're

(04:13):
doing through the.

Speaker 3 (04:13):
Resource Management Act.

Speaker 4 (04:14):
Now that's driven out of MF at the moment, but
it's intimately connected to housing and likewise it's intimately connected
to the role of local government as well, because it's
ultimately cities and regions that implement spacial plans and then
the district plans, and at the moment it's all disconnected
between three or four different agencies that we're merging together
into one. And you also can't do it without transport
for example as well. And you know, most countries don't

(04:35):
do it like this. Most countries have a version of
what we're creating, which you know inserts a.

Speaker 3 (04:40):
It's a working title.

Speaker 4 (04:42):
We weighed up where as you call it meth We
decided against that Ministry of Environment, Transport in Housing, but
given our law and order credentials are tough on crime rhetorical,
we decided that wouldn't be very good idea.

Speaker 3 (04:53):
At least you could have gone at least you could
have gone p for short. I mean, this is still
there's still a lot in here to me. It just
doesn't make sense, like everything, I understand everything that you're saying,
But then why not just have one minister looking after it?
Or isn't part of the problem we have in this
country that we have too many portfolios. We've got about
eighty Yeah, well, at the moment.

Speaker 4 (05:13):
I am the minister looking after it, and you know,
and it works. I think, well, you know, I mean
the others for others to judge as how we're going,
but I think we're making a real progress on all
of the issues that I'm in charge of, and ultimately
that's a question for the Prime Minister.

Speaker 3 (05:25):
So in terms of cost savings, are we going to
get any and how many jobs might go?

Speaker 4 (05:31):
Yes, we are. The driver is not so much about
cost savings, although clearly there will be some on the
way through. I mean, if you just take a simple example,
all of these ministries have their own payrolls. For example,
they have a range of back off of stuff, and
so you'd expect there to be some efficiencies. Exactly how
many you know how much and how many we don't
know yet. That'll be for the first six months of

(05:54):
next year and frankly all of twenty twenty six as
the new ministry has stood up. But you know that
we will clearly expect some efficiencies on the way through.

Speaker 3 (06:02):
Okay, you've given the example of the curl missed opportunity
because we didn't have the housing joined in when we
were putting this thing together. It's going to open next year.
So let's look at say a second harbor crossing. How
will this what changes? What is different? If we put
a second harbor crossing through under the m search, then
it would have been previously.

Speaker 4 (06:24):
So I would expect integrated advice around the environmental impacts
of that, alongside the transport implications obviously, and if there's
any housing related components to it as well, then we'd
be able to take an integrated look at how all
of those things play out in practice. The City rail
Link is a really instructive example. I mean, we decided
to do the city rail Link, but we didn't think

(06:45):
about innovative funding and financing options around it. We didn't
think about the housing component of it. Only only now
are we up zoning around the city rail Link stations
for example in Auckland, and you know you can think
about it. Will started to be built in twenty fifteen,
twenty sixteen, so here we are ten years low. We're
going to just got onto that level. Crossings is another
one related to city railing, so that the real benefits

(07:05):
of city railing come from increasing the number of trains
and the frequency of those trains. But to do that
you need to make sure that the level crossings that
exist on the Auckland rail network are done away with progressively.

Speaker 3 (07:18):
Only now are we getting on with that level So
all of this will be taken care of by this
mega ministry. What about the council? Where does Wayne Brown
get his say or does he not get to say?
What happens there?

Speaker 4 (07:29):
It means that Wayne Brown and other councils around the
country can deal with one government agency when it comes
to all of these issues. That is actually a massive
benefit of it. So if I'm a In fact, I
was talking to someone from Native City Council the other
night actually at at an infrastructure dinner, and she was saying, look,
it's a complete nightmare at the moment. If we want
to go and talk to the government around around planning,
around housing, around our transport connections, we're going to talk

(07:50):
to like four different agencies.

Speaker 3 (07:52):
Now you know, is that possible? Of course it is?
Is it efficient?

Speaker 1 (07:56):
No?

Speaker 4 (07:57):
Would they prefer to deal with one agency?

Speaker 5 (07:58):
Yes?

Speaker 3 (07:59):
The absolutely the way. What one final question. You've made
a big thing about this, you know, you kind of
state to your political career on it in a way.
But the housing shortage that we have, how many a
textas has just said, can you tell Biship we don't
have a housing deficit in this country for God's sakes,
that we've got them coming out our ears, we can't
sell them quick enough. How many are we short?

Speaker 4 (08:19):
Well, I don't want to put a number on it,
but I just put this to you. We have one
of the most expensive housing markets in the developed world,
and I think we will we will have housing beck
and back into balance with supply and demand when housing
is affordable, and it's clearly not at the moment.

Speaker 3 (08:33):
Hang on, So how many are we short? Well, it
depends on where you are.

Speaker 4 (08:37):
If you're in Auckland or Wellington, your whole country, you're
any number of many, many thousands, many number of thousands
of home short because we haven't built enough over the
last thirty years and the RMA is a big reason
for that.

Speaker 3 (08:49):
So we're not quite sure how many we're short. What
should the price be? You said they need to come
down a lot. How much is a lot?

Speaker 4 (08:56):
Well, I've talked in the past around having a house
price to income ratio of around three to five to one.
That's not the case at the moment in Auckland. It's
you know, around seven or eight to one. In Queenstown,
it's like eleven or twelve or maybe even thirteen to
one in terms of house price to income ratio. So
now we're not I'm not proposing that we have a

(09:16):
massive house price crash. That would be that would be
very bad for the economy. But we need to make
housing more affordable over time, and it's a long term
goal of this government to make housing more affordable. It's
one of the single best things we can do to
solve many of the social problems. The falling news eld
all right.

Speaker 3 (09:30):
Minister, appreciate your time this afternoon. Thank you. That is
the Minister for Housing, Transport, Infrastructure and RMA Reform, Chris Bishop.
It is sixteen minutes after four News TALKSB. Nine two
ninety two is the number to text. Actually, there was
out of the high food today there was an update
on house price increases. I'll let you know what that
is next. Along with Darcian Sport.

Speaker 2 (09:50):
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Speaker 3 (09:58):
News TALKSB it is four nine t and let's go
to Darcy with Sport.

Speaker 2 (10:02):
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Speaker 3 (10:08):
Afternoon, Darce, good afternoon. The third Ashes Test tomorrow, isn't
it now? England gonna lose this one too?

Speaker 4 (10:14):
Yeah?

Speaker 6 (10:15):
Highly likely.

Speaker 7 (10:16):
Haha.

Speaker 6 (10:17):
They're not being practicing, They're not being they just don't
look like they want to be there. You know, it's summer,
it's away from the freezing cold of Britain beaches. Are
there all the fun, a bit of golf. They're going
to get hammered. I hope they don't have that attitude.
I think we all want to see a proper Test match,
whether we will or not, I don't know.

Speaker 1 (10:36):
Do you know Piers Morgan?

Speaker 6 (10:37):
Yeah, Ye're not a big fan of Piers Morgan's to
be fair, but he did come out and started and
seeing England are going to roll them.

Speaker 3 (10:43):
Five l half shame. It's interesting they keep talking about
how they're overpreparing or underpreparing. I think they're trying to
play the media with it. But you know, are we
overtrained and then we undertrained? And it's like, well maybe you.

Speaker 6 (10:56):
Just they even know what they're saying. They didn't believe
what they're saying. It's the cricketing gods, that's what it is.
They've looked down upon England and go, you can't take
a hold of the New Zealanders and put them in
your team, not playing or kind of, but mostly in
the coaching the management side. They got na, no, no,
this is not happening, and so they've cursed them.

Speaker 3 (11:14):
All right, well, we'll wait and see what happens with that,
even though we know what's probably going to happen with that.
What's up with this new golf event in Auckland.

Speaker 6 (11:20):
There's a three golf there's actually four events, back on
back on back on back on back and back with
there's three of them and this one is part of
the ice PS hundred Japanese and Australasian. It's a championship.
So what they've got is they've got three on the bounce,
which is just fantastic. We've got that, which is the

(11:41):
last one one point three seven million dollars up for grabs.
You've got the New Zealand PGA.

Speaker 3 (11:46):
Put a part of UMU two weeks before, and the.

Speaker 6 (11:48):
New Zealand Open a week after that down in Queenstown,
and then the week after that you've got this, and then.

Speaker 8 (11:55):
There's also under twenty one stamps going on as well.

Speaker 3 (11:58):
Golf coming out our ears. Absolutely it is.

Speaker 6 (12:01):
And we'll be talking about how the CEO of Golf
and New Zealand's Jeff Latch. She'll be joining us later
on in the program, and I'll catch up with Tim
Seiffert who smashed a ton for the Renegades last night,
having a great time first game back after breaking his finger,
which means he couldn't be involved with the black Caps
and the T twenty up against the West Indians, but
he didn't forget how to play, seeing it like a pumpkin.

(12:23):
So we'll let him tonight as well.

Speaker 3 (12:25):
Brilliant looking forward to it. Darcy Waldergrave, sports talk host
seven o'clock tonight News Talk, said, be you can catch
him then. It is twenty one minutes after four text
of flooding and about house prices after we just heard
from Chris Bishop, so we'll get to that. Plus i'll
tell you what they said it in the Hive about
your house price and where it's going next year, the
year after and the year after that. All ahead.

Speaker 2 (12:45):
Digging deeper into the day's headlines, it's Ryan Bridge on
Hither duple Cellen Dry with one New Zealand coverage like
no one else news talks.

Speaker 3 (12:54):
There'd be for twenty four news talks. They'd be Ryan
house prices back to three times household and comes what
planet is Chris Bishop on? Back in the nineteen seventies
when they were house sizes were half what they are now,
weren't insulated, double glazed, and no heat pumps. Today's houses
are a different product, says Dave. Dave is talking about
Chris Bishop just been on the show. Couldn't tell us

(13:15):
how many houses were actually short even though there's a
massive housing shortage. Apparently not if you go and look
at Trade Me lately or one roof, I should say,
go and have a look on there. You've got houses
coming out your ears. So the house price to income
ratio thing is an interesting one, he says. He wants
that ideally it would be three to four times your income.
You can it would be the value of your house.

(13:37):
Currently the average in New Zealand for this year is
six times your income, and he wants it to be
three to four. Well, I have bad news for you,
mister Bishop, and it comes in the form of an
update from Treasury today. This is ye Haifu house price growth.
So here it is one point nine percent is forecast

(13:58):
to grow in twenty twenty. Well, that's not great. I
mean unless wages rocket ahead, which they're not expected to
do fantastically. Six point six percent will be the increase
for the year after heading seven percent increase for twenty
twenty eight, now that the growth is moderated for next
year based on where they thought we would be back

(14:20):
in May. But seven percent growth in twenty twenty eight
is not going to mean good things if you are
trying to get the house price off houses down in
this country. Is that I wouldn't have thought. Nine two
ninety two is the number to text. Maybe one we
can put to Cameron Bagri. He's on to talk about
the half yearly economic fiscal update after six this evening.
After four thirty news, We're going to cross to Mariolds

(14:42):
in Australia. We just heard an update from the New
South Wales Police Commissioner over there.

Speaker 9 (14:47):
I can confirm that they did travel to the Philippines.

Speaker 10 (14:50):
The reasons why they went to the Philippines and the
purpose of that and where they went when they were
there is under investigation of the moment.

Speaker 9 (15:00):
Also confirmed that the vehicle which is registered to the.

Speaker 11 (15:02):
Younger male contained IED's but I also confirmed that it
contained two homemade ISIS flags.

Speaker 3 (15:11):
Yeah, so ISIS flags in the car. Id's in the
car trips to the Philippines. There is more information coming
out about the terror attack that took place at Bondo Beach. Also,
after five, we're going to talk to you know, the
hero that everyone's shown the video of. We're going to
talk to a woman who's been at his bedside. That's
all Ahead News Talks.

Speaker 2 (15:30):
Beat the d's newsmakers talk to Ryan first, Ryan Bridge
on hither Dupilus Ellen Drive with One New Zealand and
the Power of Satellite Mobile News Talks d B.

Speaker 3 (15:49):
Twenty five five Newstalks. After five, Well, Nikola Willis take responsibility,
takes some accountability for the state of growth in this country.
That's what Labour wants her to do. We will ask her.
She's on the program after five this evening, plus we'll
get to Murrio Old's out of Australia very shortly. We're
also keeping an eye on Auckland Council who and I
know there are other parts of New Zealand who already
do fortnightly rubbish collection The idea of sens shivers down

(16:12):
my spine, just because I hate having to sweat. Already
my bin is full to overflowing, so to go to
fortnightly would really irk me. It's a trial that they're
voting on today, and for some reason, the trial, even
though you would be going from weekly to fortnightly, which
presumably would save the council money, the trial is going

(16:33):
to cost millions of dollars. How does that work? I
don't know, well as we're speaking to a councilor after five.
But the thing that really annoys me at the moment
when I'm putting my rubbish in the bin is in
the kitchen. And if you've got a one of those
kitset kitchens, or just any kitchen these days, it comes
with the bin that's in a drawer, and you open
the drawer or the cupboard and the bin is about

(16:56):
the size of your foot. It's tiny.

Speaker 7 (16:58):
You know.

Speaker 3 (16:58):
There's two of them, one for recycling and one for
your general rubbish, and so you're having to empty these
things every two minutes because they are filling up so quickly.
I'd maybe, I don't know, how are people getting through
life with so little rubbish? And are we soon going
to have monthly rubbish collections? I mean weird? Is all
of this in really nine two the number to tix.

(17:19):
It's twenty four minutes away from five.

Speaker 1 (17:21):
It's the world wires on news dogs, they'd be drive.

Speaker 3 (17:24):
Across the Pairsman. Then Aussies are tightening up gun laws.
His chrismins the New South Wales Premier gun law.

Speaker 9 (17:30):
Reform in New South Wales.

Speaker 12 (17:32):
I'm determined to bring in the toughest gun laws in
Australia and they'll be significantly tightened in New South Wales.

Speaker 3 (17:39):
Elbow says he's going to look at tightening up gun
laws around the whole country. From a federal point of view.

Speaker 12 (17:44):
The consideration that will take place includes limiting the number
of guns an individual can own, the type of guns
that I legal, where the gun ownership should require australianed citizenship,
and accelerating work on the National Firearms Register.

Speaker 3 (17:59):
Right, let's go to the United States. Still haven't found
the real killer from the Brown University shooting after they
arrest the wrong guy.

Speaker 11 (18:05):
This is a very active investigation, very complex investigation, and
he's the dedicated work of the men and women of
the Privati's police Department, the Detective Division, the community responsing,
the special response being is all hands on deck.

Speaker 3 (18:20):
Finally this afternoon, so cardiologists in the United States have
come up with an age limit for shoveling snow. As
you'll know if you live in a snowy part of
the country, shoveling snow it is quite hard work. If
you do it for ten minutes, your heart rate will
be working at ninety seven percent of its maximum. As such,

(18:43):
cardiologists say that you should shovel with caution if you're
over the age of forty five. What they reckon, send
your kids out and do it? And said, what if
you're snowed inside with no food? You know you're trapped,
And they said, do it with caution, right, not don't
do it? But why is what you'd have a heart
attack and die. We haven't got long on this world.

(19:04):
Here we end, but the pressing.

Speaker 2 (19:08):
International correspondence with ends and eye insurance peace of mind
for New Zealand business.

Speaker 3 (19:14):
Murray Old was with us out of Australia. Murray, good afternoon, Hi,
right into you now, there's just update us on the
gun laws. The situation there. It looks like there are
changes coming.

Speaker 13 (19:26):
Yeah, that's right on the back of what happened at
Bondey on Sunday evening, there was a national Cabinet meeting
and emergency Cabinet meeting. This was set up during the
COVID years. It was consisted of federal representatives in all
the states and territories. And yet there's going to be
a tightening of gun laws. But you hear Chris Men's
there and that clip your played, you think, well, why

(19:47):
the hell wasn't this down earlier. The guy who was
killed at Bondi on Friday, on the Sunday night was
the owner of six guns, shotguns and long rifles, long
barreled rifles. To ask yourself, why on earth would some
guy living in suburban Sydney need like a small armory.
It's different for country people. They need to go out

(20:09):
and shoot feral pigs and feral goats and all the
rest of it. They need to put down animals humanly.
But there's no reason for a fellow in suburban Sydney
to have six very high powered weapons. That's one thing
you're looking at. You think, why was it done earlier?
They're going to look at tightening who can own guns.
So they're gonna limit gun numbers. We think they're going
to tighten who can own them. You have to be

(20:30):
a citizen to own guns now. But they wouldn't have
stopped the young fellow who is in hospital. He was
shot and nearly killed alongside his father. He was born here.
So heaven only knows what they're going to do. John Howard,
the former Prime minister, very interesting today. He came out
and said, listen, do not let this government use tighter

(20:52):
gun laws as a smoke screen, as a diversion to
distract from their lack of action to combat anti Semitism.
He was very strong on this, and I mean Albany's
under a lot of pressure. Elbow's in a lot of
pressure for failing to really curb this explosion. It's the
only way to describe it in anti semitism, fire bomb
attacks on homes, on synagogues, and John Howard made the

(21:14):
point this can happen Sunday, can happen when the forces
of hatred are allowed to spread and grow unchecked. So
watch that space as well. Albany's on a bit of pressure.
They're going to be scrambling now to get something together.

Speaker 3 (21:28):
One percent a similar thing happened here after we had
Mosque shootings Murray, and everyone said, well, you're just covering
up for the failing of the fact that guy could
get a gun in the first place. You know, he
shouldn't have been allowed to, but did and rules were broken.
What about the Philippines trip. What's happening here?

Speaker 14 (21:45):
What do we know?

Speaker 13 (21:46):
Well, the ABC reported this early today this morning, and
now the ABC reporting that it's been confirmed by an
anonymous source in the security industry. Yes, father and son
went to the Philippines in November. The Astralian Federal Polices
on the case. Here speculation they flew to Manila and
then went down to the Southern Philippines and actually had

(22:08):
some military training with a group down there that's banned
in this country. Apparently. See I know nothing about this,
but when ISIS was chased out of the Middle East,
apparently they went down and set up a Southeast Asian
branch in the Southern Philippines and Minta. Now I think
so anyway, that's the line of an active line of inquiry.

(22:31):
Now that The Sun, by the way, was interviewed in
twenty nineteen by ASIO, which is our domestic security agency,
about his connections to members of an ISIS cell that
Aisne was operating in Sydney. They busted the cell, but
this kid fell through the obviously fell through the cracks
and by the way, in the car that father and

(22:52):
son left at Bondi before they began their murderous, bloody rampage,
police have found ISIS flags and some improvised explosive devices
that did not go off. So you know, on the
primer face that you think, wow, how the hell of that?
You know, I mean, is this not being flagged? And

(23:13):
I know it's easy to sit here and criticize them
the wake of what happened, but you just think, well,
heaven's above, he's a guy who's been investigated once after
the Philippines. What are you going there for with that?

Speaker 1 (23:24):
Oh?

Speaker 13 (23:24):
Okay, yeah, what side's saying whatever? I mean, you just
you expect more. Perhaps it's unrealistic to expect more, Ryan,
but your buddy, well do I.

Speaker 3 (23:33):
Think that's absolutely reasonable to expect more, especially when your muddy,
your your buddies with a with an ISIS guy you
know who's now in prison. All right, must thanks that
that's Murray Old's out of Australia. Seventeen minutes away from five. Ryan,
they've been talking about the massacre in Parliament and New
Zealand today. We'll get to Barry Soper on that in
a second. On the rubbish, Wow, lots of you've got

(23:54):
opinions on the rubbish, Ryan. We have fortnightly rubbish collection
in Blenhim and it stinks, especially on hot summer's day. Ryan,
I'll tell you what is a mother of a one
year old The flies and the smell of a binful
of nappies after a few hot days is stomach churning.
I hate to think what would happen after two weeks. Well,
perhaps someone in Blenham can let us know. Or christ Church,

(24:16):
Ellie says Ryan. Why can't Aucklanders get their red bins
collected fortnightly? Here in christ Church we've been alternating weeks
with red and yellow bins. Get with the program, also,
start composting. No, I don't want to, Ellie, Okay, I
don't want I'm busy, got other things going on. What
are you doing with the rest of your life? You
know someone here on the North, Shaw says north shraw

(24:38):
Bean fortnighte for ages you knob keep up. I did
not know that. To be fair, all I knew is
that on the North Shore just a lot of smelly people.

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Speaker 3 (24:51):
News talk zbat is fourteen minutes away from five. This
person says north shraw bins are collected weekly only the
recycling bins are collected fortnightly. So who was the knob
that messaged in it? Anyway, let's move on. Barry sophis
here singing your political correspondent, Barry Good Afternoon, afternoon run.
So they've been talking about the Sydney massacre in Parliament
this afternoon.

Speaker 8 (25:11):
Yeah, I've got to say it was a moving start
to Parliament today with the Prime Minister himself moving emotion
on the Jewish massacre and Bondo Beach. I thought all
the speeches were poignant and reflected the mood of most
of us at the moment. Chris Luxon. He was followed
by Labour's Chris Hopkins and then the Greens Chloe Swarbrick.

Speaker 15 (25:33):
Here they are people were shot dead on a beach
on Sunday just for being Jewish. Anti Semitism is one
of the oldest forms of hatred and history, and it
remains one of the most dangerous. It mutates, it disguises itself,
but its impact is always the same, fair exclusion and dehumanization.

(25:54):
As Prime Minister and Leader of the National Party, I
stand in solidarity with the Jewish community which feels shaken
and erable right now, and I say to the community,
you belong here, you are valued here, and we will
protect you.

Speaker 16 (26:08):
Terrorism is designed to divide us, it is designed to
turn us against each other. It's designed to create more polarization.
The terrorist attacks are nothing to do with immigration. They
are terrorist attacks and they should always be called out

(26:28):
as exactly that. That kind of hatefulness should never be
confused with any legitimate debates that are taking place around
world events. They should never be blamed on anyone other
than the people who did them, which are the terrorists.

Speaker 5 (26:43):
We condemn the murder of fifteen innocent people. A child, parents, friends, partners,
human beings practicing their faith and their values. It is
the work of us here on earth to build that
real safety. This means understanding that all of our fate

(27:05):
on this little planet is interconnected. Mister speaker, We need
each other more than that We are each other, and
that is the light that we must carry into the darkness.

Speaker 3 (27:19):
Well, what about the from the river to the sea.

Speaker 8 (27:21):
As you mentioned that, Chloe Swarbrick has been name checked,
of course, sir, ever since this massacre broke out. Were terrible,
but there wasn't a Palestinian scarf on any of the
Greens backs today and they made sure of that and
the MP stood for a minute silence out of respect
for the people that were killed in the massacre.

Speaker 3 (27:43):
Oh that's nice, that's good to hear. Right, our treasuries.
We had the hayfu come out, and the growth is
and well not great. I mean it gets there, but
not great now and death levels rising in the short
term all.

Speaker 8 (27:54):
I think the government spent a lot of time talking
this down, didn't they. Nikola Willis did so we weren't
expect in great things and we knew, I think that
the surplus would be pushed out another year. So you know,
it's about what we thought would happen today. And I
looked at the debt levels of other countries compared to GDP,

(28:16):
and of course New Zealand is actually at the lower
end in terms of the forty forty five percent. And
look at Australias it's a lot higher than ours, and
most other countries in the OECD are as well. So
even though the figures sound big in New Zealand, when
you look internationally they are pretty reasonable really. The debate

(28:39):
on the economy spilled over into the House this afternoon,
with the argument coming down to the cost of a
marmite sandwich, something Chris Luxon said kids should have in
their school lunch along with an apple. Here they are,
with the last question coming from David Seymour.

Speaker 16 (28:57):
Is it cheaper or more expensive now to make a
marmite sandwich than it was at the beginning of this year.

Speaker 15 (29:03):
Well, the good news is that food inflation, as that
member will have seen, has fallen to four point four
percent today. It's a third month in a row it's
come down and it's a hell of a lot lower
than what it was at twelve and a half percent
under that Prime Minister.

Speaker 16 (29:17):
Is he not aware that the price of buying a
loaf of bread is up fifty percent in just the
last year. The price of a marmite sandwich is significantly
more expensive than it was when he told parents to
go out and buy marmite and bread and butter and
make their.

Speaker 3 (29:29):
Kids a sandwich. Oh my goodness, Oh my goodness.

Speaker 15 (29:34):
I love the way that the member has got an
analysis on the cost of a mumhite sandwich, but actually
couldn't work out where sixty six billion dollars that he
spent during COVID went gotn't even be bothered to show
up to a COVID inquiry.

Speaker 17 (29:47):
Can the Prime Minister confirm that the government's healthy school
lunch program is being done for half the price that
it was done under the previous government, with the same
return rate for the meals. And doesn't it seem strange
that labors say they want cheaper food, but when we
give it to them they don't want that either.

Speaker 3 (30:07):
Good point. So he did have the last and it's whitebread,
isn't it's up forty FIUs. That's right, so you could
step by the brown but it's probably just as expensive. Barry,
thank you very much for that. Good to see you
as always. Barry's Soupernews Talks, MB senior political correspondent, just
gone eight minutes away from five. By the way, Peggy Burrows,
who's the principal at the school with the moldy lunches,
we have an update. I'll give it to you at

(30:28):
five twenty five News Talks MB the.

Speaker 2 (30:30):
Headlines and the hard questions. It's the mic asking breakfast.

Speaker 18 (30:35):
Questions are of course being raised about possible intelligence failings.
Now Doctor Michael Zacculin is the senior lecturer of Terrorism
and Radicalization at the Australian National University. And you're deciding
he was not a threat in retrospect was a massive misjudgment?

Speaker 1 (30:47):
How did they get it so wrong?

Speaker 19 (30:48):
Well, you have to think into account the Fagon. They're
probably watching dozens and dozens of people, So basically you
have to make decisions about who you believe is the
most relevant threat at that time, and in this case,
the didn't meet that criteria. And unfortunately, this is something
that we've seen time and time again after these individuals
are known.

Speaker 2 (31:07):
Hither duplicy Ellen on the mic, hosting Breakfast Fact tomorrow at.

Speaker 1 (31:11):
Six am with Bailey's real estate on News Talks Dead b.

Speaker 3 (31:15):
Five to five years talks. Have we got an update
yet on the rubbish situation the Fortnightly rubbish collection in Auckland. No,
still waiting there. They're fiercely debating going to a fortnightly
trial in Auckland. But as I am speaking to you.
The texts are flooding in from people who already do
fortnightly and it's actually creating some very serious health and

(31:35):
safety issues for people out there. This is from Sue.
Sue says, we're on a fortnightly here in New Plymouth.
You need good trampoline skills to tramp down on the rubbish.
Definitely no nappies and definitely are under forty five years old,
like your snow shovelers in the US. Due to health
and safety issues because it is who was the Jason Gunn?

(31:57):
Where was the Jason Gunn who was bouncing on his
rubbish and his wheely bin to try and get it
down and broke us back? Remember that, I'm sure it
was Jason Gunn. And so they always say be very careful,
and my mum has always said to be very careful
when you're jumping on your rubbish. Guess what you shouldn't
have to jump on your rubbish. Okay, you should have
a bigger bin. We should all have massive bins and
they should be collected weekly. It's how life should be. Anyway,

(32:20):
we'll keep you up to date with what's happening there.
Another person here says. Chris says, just going back and
time to the seventies, sixties and seventies when everyone used
to use cloth nappies and wash them by hand, and
he remembers them being hung on washing lines outside people's houses.
That's why places like Newland's and Wellington, I think they

(32:42):
used to call them Nappyville or nappy Valley. I think
they were called because you would come over the hill
and all the families and the state houses would have
their nappies hanging on the clotheslines. I mean washed, not
dirty buns, not muddied buns hanging on the clothesline. So
that's you know, heins the name. Now it's all just
plastered thrown into bins. There you go. We'll let you

(33:03):
know what happens with Auckland. Nicola Willis, the Finance Minister,
joins us after five News Talks B.

Speaker 2 (33:26):
The only drive show you can trust to ask the questions.
We'll get the answers, find the facts and give the analysis.
Ryan Bridge on hither Duplicy Ellen Drive with One New
Zealand and the power of satellite Mobile News Talks B.

Speaker 3 (33:41):
Good evening seven after five we have a resolution to
the rubbers situation. We'll get to that in a set. First,
the government's going to stay in debt longer than it
thought it would back in May. This is the hayfer
that's come out today. The surplus delayed again for another
year out twenty thirty. We won't start paying down our
debt in this country until then. Growth is coming on

(34:01):
but slower than expected. So back points six percent four
twenty four to twenty five, Ford, three point three for
twenty five twenty six, and three percent for twenty six
twenty seven, Tariffs, inflation, tourism, numbers, population, all contributing factors.
Nicola Willis is the Finance Minister. Good evening, Good evening,
Do you take responsibility for our lackluster growth?

Speaker 20 (34:25):
I take responsibility for turning it around, and what we
have shared in today's forecasts is accelerating growth next year,
low inflation growth throughout the forecast period, two hundred and
seventy thousand jobs being created, low interest rates in all
the conditions for New Zealanders to get ahead.

Speaker 3 (34:43):
Labour wants you to take responsibility for the fact that
we haven't had significant or meaningful growth in the last year.
You've been the Minister of Growth all that time, do
you take accountability well?

Speaker 20 (34:54):
In Treasury's assessment, are the effect of Donald Trump's tariff
announcement in April our economy was significant, and of course
it came off the back of what was already a
difficult recovery following Labour's period of sky high inflation and
the very high interest rates that were used to arrest that.
It's significant that even in the midst of that, the

(35:15):
government has taken pro growth measures, including, for example, the
Investment boost tax policy to encourage business investment, moves to
replace the Resource Management Act, to cap rates, to ensure
that we can deliver more housing, to boost tourism. We've
been at it as a government taking pro growth measures
and maintaining fiscal discipline, which is something that you won't

(35:37):
hear Labor talking about.

Speaker 3 (35:39):
So when it comes to pushing the surplus out, and
this says basically, you won't achieve it when you have
the fiscal intention that you want to achieve it. But
you're saying you will stick to twenty twenty nine not
twenty thirty. How do you do that when the books
say you can?

Speaker 20 (35:53):
Well, afourcas do show us reaching a surplus over this
period and the question is whether we get there in
twenty nine or twenty thirty. The twenty nine deficit that's
being forecast relative is very small, and so I remain
confident that we can get there. What that will take
is just a small revision to the growth upwards combined

(36:17):
with fiscal discipline, and those are two things that our
government has committed to. So we're sticking to our surplus target.

Speaker 3 (36:22):
You've committed to keeping new borrowing to two point four
billion dollars next year. Given we're not bringing in as
much cash as we had hoped, would it not be
prudent to cut that figure further?

Speaker 20 (36:33):
No, because that is what is required to ensure we
can make the investments needed to increase health service delivery,
to ensure our schools have the resources they need to
pay their teachers and delivered learning, that our police have
the resources they need on the front line, and to
continue our build and defense force capability. It's a very
small number, though relative to recent budgets ran to give

(36:57):
you a sense of context, in the twenty twenty two
budget under the previous government, new operating spending was nine
point seven billion a year. We're proposing two point four.
So this is a much more modest level of spending
than was the case under the previous government, and we
can achieve it by continuing our rigor around, constantly finding
savings and efficiency.

Speaker 3 (37:18):
There's a vicious cycle thing that happens here, isn't there?
When the economy does bad, people leave. When people leave,
we can't tax them. Fifty thousand fewer taxpayers in the
country than expect it. How do you turn that? How
long does it take to turn that around?

Speaker 20 (37:30):
Well, I was really pleased to see the most recent
update from Stats which showed the number of people leaving
is actually the lowest in three years, and so that
is starting to turn around. On the latest stats, the
census starter updated the underlying assumptions on population, and yes
that is slightly lower. But I'm confident that as our
economy recovers, as there are more jobs available which is

(37:52):
being forecast, as there's more growth and comes arising, that
more new Zealanders will see they can have a great
future here and they will choose to stay.

Speaker 3 (38:00):
You've said in your speech today there are a lot
of things the government can't control. Do you as a
party and labor both need to be a little more
honest with new Zealanders about what it is you actually
can fix in what you can't, because I feel like
we're getting taken for a ride. One of you says
we will get we will fix this, the other says
we will fix that, and actually then you turn around

(38:22):
when the books come out and say it's not fixable,
it's not in our hands.

Speaker 20 (38:27):
Well, I disagree with that. I do think there is
a lot that we can control. We can control our
discretionary spending decisions and the impact that has on inflation
and therefore interest rates. I stand by our track record
in that regard. We can control whether the policies we
deliver are pro growth or anti growth. And in that sense,

(38:48):
we've said yes to replacing the Resource Management Act. We've
said yes to tax relief, we've said yes to backing businesses,
which are all the things consistent with supporting growth in
this economy. On the other hand, my opponents on the
other side consistently say no to those things, and so
they have to take responsibility for those positions.

Speaker 3 (39:08):
Minister, appreciate your time. That's Nicola Willis. Finance Minister Cameron
Baggriy his reaction after six News talks. Ab Ryan Breed
twelve after five Upmed Al Upmed you know the name,
Syrian father. Hero took the gun off the bad guy
at Bondi Beach. He's now recovering in hospital and he
shared a video. It's been translated. He's thanking the public
for the massive outpouring of support. Honestly, I don't even

(39:30):
know what to say to you.

Speaker 9 (39:31):
I went through such a stage truly by God's will
and thank God.

Speaker 3 (39:36):
Lubaba al Hmed al Kahil is with the Australians for
Syria Association and visited Upmed Ahmed and hospital. As she
joins me, now, good evening, good evening, thanks for you. Now,
how is our friend? How's our hero doing in hospital?

Speaker 21 (39:54):
H he is recovering, but he was sad when I
saw him. He was in a great band. You know
that his injury in his arms. He got shot there.
He was shot there in his arm. And yeah, he
still needs to operation. He had one yesterday and he
still needs to and he will not recover before six months.

(40:17):
He will need about six months. That's what the doctor
said yesterday.

Speaker 3 (40:22):
How are you feeling the bubble, because you know, there's
obviously a lot going on with social media at the moment,
what is it like to be you know, you represent
the Australians Fasiria. Is are you noticing this racism and stuff?
Or is everybody being quite friendly?

Speaker 21 (40:37):
Was the situation, to be honest with you, when everyone
was watching the news In the beginning, we were very
worried that as usual now as Muslims will be accused
of being terrorists and that we did this and we
did that. But later on when we found out that
the brave man who rushed to help was a Muslim Syrian,

(41:02):
we are a lot comed and feel happy that thankfully,
I mean he saved all of us, not only the
people who were in Bondai Beach.

Speaker 3 (41:14):
You think he saved all Arabs in Australia.

Speaker 21 (41:17):
Not only as all Muslims all over the world. Because yes,
and actually for me, he saved every peaceful human being,
because usually we are accused while in a city that
has multiculture and people. Yesterday on Bondai Beach there were
people from different cultures, different religions, different countries. But who

(41:41):
was the one who rushed to help, who endangered himself?
He was the Muslim one, right, so he proved that
we are not terrorists.

Speaker 3 (41:53):
Lubaba I appreciate you being with me tonight. I thank
you very much. Alhamid Alcahol. She's with Australians for Syria
Association across the Tasman just gone quarter past five. More
information coming to hand. This is just in the last
couple of minutes about this trip to the Philippines that
the father and son took. It was only in last
month they traveled to the Philippines, so what were they

(42:13):
doing there? Police are obviously asking questions about that. But
just in the last couple of minutes we've learned that
they were traveling on Indian passports, which is confusing people.
So they traveled there. That both of them arrived from
Sydney November first departed November twenty eight. This is according
to the Philippine immigration authorities on Indian passports, which police

(42:35):
are now very interested in. Quarter past five news talks.
They'd be the rubbish bin debate has been settled in Auckland.
I'll update you from council chambers next right. If you
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five nineteen. So the question for Cameron Bagriy after sex
about Nicola Willis is last member of the last budget

(44:04):
they pulled the pay equity thing, the rabbit out of
the hat, and that's how they save themselves a bunch
of money. What's it going to be next year? What
are they What rabbit will they pull out of what hat?
And will it have something to do with acc and
what you're entitled to? You know, every time you go
get your acupuncture done or you get your you know
your what else do you get done? I'm just thinking

(44:27):
back to pilates. I get pilates on acc because they've
got a bad back. Now should I be getting that?
Well maybe I won't be. Next year we'll find out.
Let's go to Aukland. A plan to trial fortnightly rubbish
collection in parts of the city is now dead.

Speaker 22 (44:42):
Put it in the bin, not going to do two weeks,
that's what That's what we've got to We should be
talking about some of the things that really matter about this.
When are we going to start incinerating our rubbish? When
are we going to do something about landfall. We are
gonna do something important. What are you wordsmithing all the
bloody time?

Speaker 23 (44:59):
Should I?

Speaker 1 (45:00):
I hate that?

Speaker 3 (45:01):
Daniel Newman is an organ city councilor and he joins
us now, Daniel, good evening, good afternoon. Ryan, sounds like
Wayne's happy. This is all done and dusted.

Speaker 24 (45:10):
Well, it's done to a point, but not dusted. Unfortunately,
the trial is dead, but the waste management minimization plan continues,
despite some of us trying our very best. The existing
plan is still premised on moving to a fortnightly rubbish
collection service in the future, and so Aucklanders can expect

(45:32):
that Auckland Council will try and some of us will
try and permanently move the whole region to a weekly
service next year when the matter comes up and we'll
have to consult on it. Then it's very painful. But yes,
the trial's gone.

Speaker 3 (45:47):
Who wrote so? Who's written this thing that? Why can't
we just change that document so they don't have to
keep coming back to it.

Speaker 24 (45:54):
Because we are advised it's very frustrating. We are advised
that because the current plan is based on the existing
proposition of a fortnightly service in the future. If you
wish to move to a permanent region wide weekly rubbish
collection service. That is a change that will require a

(46:16):
consequential consultation with Aucklanders, and so some of us, of course,
we all voted down the trial, well, most of us
voted down the trial, but some of us move to
express in principle support for changing the plan to give
effect to a permanent region wide weekly service. The vote

(46:38):
was had on that and it was lost ten to
ten with two abstensions.

Speaker 3 (46:42):
So even though no one wants, I mean, how can
you be in a situation where the public doesn't want
a trial, let alone a permanent thing, and yet you
can't You can you can poo poo the trial, but
you can't poop poo the permanence. I mean, it just
makes no sense.

Speaker 24 (46:58):
It is difficult who understand the hoopes that I am
being put through to try and give what I interpret
as being the will of Aucklanders give effect to that.
Because seventy seventy eight percent of submitters said no to
the fortnightly rubbish collection trial last year we consulted on

(47:23):
the waste management minimization plan. At that stage, fifty three
percent of people supported Fortnightly. Sorry, thirty seven percent of
Aucklanders supported Fortnightly fifty three percent of posts. Every time
we ask Aucklanders this question, the majority are not in
favor of Fortnightly, but we're still dancing on this question.

(47:46):
So look, I'm very pleased that my constituents in Weymouth
and Clinton do not face six months of a fortnightly
collection trial starting in summer next year. But the question
of the the policy and the planning and the processes
the local government to drag on, it's not a good lie.

Speaker 3 (48:05):
That's Daniel, appreciate your time, Daniel Newman, Auglan City Counselor.
It's a note to the trial, but it's a maybe
to the whole thing happening at some point anyway. Twenty
four minutes after five News Talk said b I've got
a little update for you on the Moldy lunch situation
in the South Island.

Speaker 2 (48:20):
Next the name you trumped to get the answers you need,
it's Ryan Bridge on either duplicy Ellen Drive with one
New Zealand coverage like no one else News Talks.

Speaker 3 (48:31):
Hev five twenty seven. Guess who's gone a little quiet
on the Moldy's school lunch front Peggy Burrows from the
community campus in christ Church, our media frequent flyer, as
we've come to know her. Health officials have said it's
They even said is the school's fault, but they said
it's basically probably the school's fault on the balance of

(48:52):
probabilities after and their investigation. But like a child caught
with a hand in a cookie jar, this school seems
incapable of taking any responsible ability for its actions. First
they beat this up aided and are bettered by the media.
Then they went and blamed David Seymour, and of course
the media hates David Seymour with a vengeance. Then they
demanded an apology from him, and then when they were

(49:13):
showing up for their own failings. This is, by the way,
like government health officials, they've gone to ground. This long awaited,
highly anticipated internal investigation into the whole debarcle is complete,
and guess what they're doing with it? Buried? It won't
be made public. Why why the silence? I think everybody

(49:34):
in their mind is going hmmm. I think you can
figure out why we're not hearing about what's in it.
It's no reason for the story itself to be buried.
Though I went hunting on the news sites this afternoon
to find it, because remember this is breaking news. When
this first story first broke, it was red banners, it
was breaking, it was news alerts, it was headlines. Right,

(49:56):
and now that David Seymour's basically been proven, if not right,
they're not wrong, crickets, where is it? No wonder? People
don't trust the mainstream media any longer. Wouldn't trust it
any more than you would trust one of Peggy's infamous
mincemeat lunches. Bryan Bridge twenty eight after five newstalks ed

(50:17):
beat the lawyer who groped in turns that the Christmas
Party's back in business. We'll talk about that next.

Speaker 2 (50:27):
On your smart speaker, on the iHeart app and in
your car on your drive home. It's Ryan Bridge on
either duplicy Ellen Drive with one New Zealand and the
power of satellite mobile news talks 'bry.

Speaker 3 (50:47):
Far Away from sixer on newstalks Hed bet Tim Wilson
and jose Begarni on the Huddle. In just a second,
I'll tell you where you want to be this Christmas.
If you want a good Christmas prison from your government,
because you're not going to get one. Out of Nikola Wallace.
She's tightening the belt just at ever so slightly again.
Spain is where you want to hit. So the socialists
in Spain, it's still that guy Pedro Sanchez. You know,
remember just Cinda Adourn and him had a bit of

(51:09):
a that makes it sound like they had they were friends,
they worked well together, they worked well together, they worked
alongside one another. Anyway, they he has announced because his
government's in trouble. He's got a coalition, minority coalition, and
they have been having had bad headline after bad headline
after bad headline, like and I don't just mean like

(51:32):
a little bit bad, corruption bad, you know those kinds
the headline sexual harassment, allegation bad, those kinds of headlines.
So what they've done is come out with this wonderful
policy which they're hoping will get them re elected and
get them some votes. So they're launching a national public
transport pass. You can travel, if you're Spanish anywhere in

(51:54):
Spain on any public transport system for a flat monthly
fee of one hundred and twenty two New Zealand dollars,
so sixty euros. You could say, you can go on
a train, you can go on a bus, whatever and
anywhere for that one monthly fee. Sounds pretty good, actually,
doesn't it, especially if you're a commuter and then you

(52:14):
want to jump on a train and go away for
a weekend whatever. He says he wants to change the
way that Spaniards understand and use public transport forever. He
says that they're going to be a revolutionary thing. The
only problem is they have got it out in such
a rush it hasn't actually been publicly costed anyone surprised.

(52:36):
Twenty two to six Cranbridge, a lawyer convicted of groping
students at a Russell McVeigh Christmas party, can now practice again.
This is an update on the story today. James Gardner
Hopkins remember him banned from working as a lawyer for
three years after his twenty twenty one conviction for six
charges of misconduct, including groping the breasts and the buttocks

(52:58):
of three female law student. The Law Society has now
cleared him to return to the profession. Steth Diberg is
a lawyer who represented the victims of James Gardiner Hopkins
and joins me. Now, Steph, good evening, Good evening, How
are your clients feeling about this.

Speaker 25 (53:15):
I haven't spoken to them yet. I have made contact
offer them support.

Speaker 3 (53:21):
How do you expect they'll take the news.

Speaker 25 (53:24):
I wouldn't have thought they'd be too happy disappointed.

Speaker 3 (53:29):
Does everyone deserve a second chance?

Speaker 25 (53:33):
Well, people deserve second chances, Ryan, But this is about
whether somebody is actually a fit and proper person under
our regulations to hold a practicing certificate. It's really a
high standard. It's not like doing a sentence and then
you come back into the fold and maybe you do
a spell under probation and then you know, sort of

(53:54):
you move on with your life. You actually have to
show that you're a fish and proper person in circumstances
where you've been found not to be.

Speaker 3 (54:03):
And you're not convinced the law Society has done I
mean they say they have done that and clared him
to return to the profession. You're saying you're not convinced
by it.

Speaker 25 (54:12):
Well, like the minority in the panel, I remained skeptical.
I have to say I haven't seen all of the
evidence they've seen, of course, but in the commentary I've seen,
you know, the evidence that I've seen suggests that James
Garden Hopkins hasn't really learned a huge amount from what
he's been through and what he's put other people through

(54:34):
his behavior. During his suspension, he appealed the outcome. He
appealed his suspension. It got increased. Of course, he also
challenged a couple of judges who wouldn't give him leave
to appear as a lay advocate in court proceedings. During
his suspension, he went and looked at people's profiles, women's
profiles on LinkedIn who were speaking up against his readmission.

(54:57):
So none of those things filled me with a great
deal of confidence that he's really learned a lesson he
needs to learn.

Speaker 3 (55:02):
Do you reckon anyone will hire him?

Speaker 25 (55:06):
Well, he's going to be embarrister. So it's such a
clients whether they choose to engage him for legal work.
And there will be I'm sure people who will not
see this as a grave impediment to working with him.
There will be other people who will say, I'm not
really sure that this is the right person for us.
I'm not sure that he's got the right sort of judgment,

(55:27):
or maybe the brand isn't when we want to associate
with But that's entirely a matter for the public. That's
their choice. And that's the thing about having a practicing certificate.
You know, you've sort of got a brand on you
from the legal profession, from the Law Society that you
are a fit and suitable person to be practicing as
a lawyer. So that's what that means. It's quite a
significant privilege, but it's also carries responsibilities.

Speaker 3 (55:52):
All right, Steff, appreciate that update. Thank you. Stef Daiberg
a lawyer who represented the victims of James Gardner Hopkins.
And by the way, the Law Society doesn't normally tell
us stuff though when they make decisions like this, they
don't usually make the decisions public, but they said they
did so in this case because of well, the level
of public interest that they have had and the reflection
on the legal profession as a whole. It's eighten minutes

(56:13):
away from six the.

Speaker 2 (56:15):
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Speaker 3 (56:20):
Joining me tonight, Child fun Ceo, Josie Bigani, Josie Good evening. Hello,
lovely to see you. Tim Wilson has here too from
the Maximum Institute. Tim Good evening to you.

Speaker 23 (56:29):
Good evening.

Speaker 3 (56:30):
Now, well, what do we think sort of a second
chance here, Joseph? Fair enough?

Speaker 18 (56:34):
I mean, he didn't go to jail.

Speaker 26 (56:36):
He isn't being suspended from making a living for the
rest of his life. That would be a pretty big
price to pay. He's entitled to in a living, right.
I Mean, it worries me when Steph just said then
that he was apparently looking at the woman's profiles of
people who spoke up against him. So you have to
take it face value that he has rehabilitated, that he's

(57:00):
seeing the impact of his behavior had and you do
have to give people a second chance, right. Otherwise, how
do you distinguish between people who get their life together
and sort their shut out and basically become decent human
beings exactly and people who don't.

Speaker 3 (57:13):
And also, it's kind of ironic for a lawyer to be,
you know, because they are always arguing for people.

Speaker 26 (57:20):
That it's pretty low when you're saying the legal profession
is this great standard bearer of behavior. But of course
Steth Dibert exception.

Speaker 25 (57:29):
Yeah.

Speaker 23 (57:31):
Actually, I have a brother in law who's a lawyer,
and I often quote to him the words the Babe
of Bethlehem, which called them lawyers. Woe to you unmarked grades. Now,
I'm sure there are and I know in fact for
a fact there are many very good lawyers of great
moral probity. But yeah, and look I agree with but
I think I think lawyers as well. When we think

(57:52):
about the least trusted that it's used car salesman, lawyers,
and then journalists. So I speak as an ext journalist,
so I think I can say that I'm a big
fan of second chances too. There is scrutiny and oversights
in this, so he has to he has been watched over.

Speaker 9 (58:09):
He lost it.

Speaker 23 (58:10):
You know, he stood down for three years and we're
all talking about this guy. So I guess there will
there will certainly be people who won't go to him
because he is whom he is.

Speaker 3 (58:19):
Yeah, one hundred percent. We'll be back in a second.
I want to get your take on the Nikola Willis
situation with the devvisit. Are we going to see this debate?
Do we care about the debate? But more importantly, what
we got out of the High Fu today. Tim Wilson
and jose Beganni Next.

Speaker 2 (58:35):
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Speaker 3 (58:40):
Brand thirteen minutes away from Sexier on news Talks. That'd
be Joseph Beganney and Tim Wilson on the huddle tonight, guys.
I've got some breaking news for you, very important breaking news.
This is from a media release, The Big, the Big
debate between nicolab Here it is nickol Willis and Ruth
Richardson is off. Yeah, Ruth pulled out I will not

(59:04):
be a party to a circus. This is Ruth Woods
from the text parents. I will not be a party
to a circus or a sideshow designed to distract from
fiscal failure. What does she think?

Speaker 25 (59:15):
Politics is?

Speaker 26 (59:16):
Honestly disappointment.

Speaker 23 (59:25):
That sounds like you've just had your Christmas present, take
it away.

Speaker 26 (59:31):
Not for the first time, ten I was really looking
forward to this because I reckon you do you remember
Elon Musk sort of challenged Mark Zuckerberg to a cage fight,
and Mark Zuckerberg sort of bare chest and said send location,
you know, and Ruth Richardson was like, you know, I
don't do pistols at dawn with a picture of a
fully clothed in her garden, So honestly, come on, I

(59:53):
want politics to get away from this idea that it's
something to do with diplomacy and kindness and you know,
sharing the dos and back into an argie bargie contest
of ideas, and god knows we need one.

Speaker 3 (01:00:04):
You want you want to bring back the days of
to Henada and what's his name in.

Speaker 26 (01:00:12):
Some fisticuffs in the corridors, but not the real stuff.

Speaker 23 (01:00:15):
So you want politicians to be more like lawyers, so.

Speaker 26 (01:00:19):
Because they're careful and us bureaucratic jargon. I want politicians
to be authentically Why do you think Trump was so popular?
Just cut across all of that stuff so bad bad
move that gives Nikola willis the win. She's now won it.

Speaker 3 (01:00:33):
Well, yeah, I mean there was a word to get
and term. It's interesting because when we got the hayfood
today and in all of Nichola's comments, she is she's
played it really well. She's saying, you've got me in
the middle, Ruth on the right, and then crazy labor
over there on the left.

Speaker 1 (01:00:51):
That's right.

Speaker 23 (01:00:51):
And if you're being bagged by the taxpayer's union and labor,
I guess that's what centrism looks like in five and
now and now. Ruth Richardson has handed her own head
on a plate to Nichola Willis, so it's and also
ruined Josie's Christmas. That's the thing I'm worried about. She's

(01:01:12):
going to be sobbing into her sobbing into her Lindau
on Christmas Day because she didn't get.

Speaker 27 (01:01:17):
What she wanted.

Speaker 26 (01:01:18):
I will be wafting around in a caftan with a
gin and tonic and I will shan'n't care. Shu'n't care
at all.

Speaker 3 (01:01:24):
Now you'll be throwing things in the rubbish all Christmas.
In fact, you know Christmas. I think about Boxing Day
when look at your rubbish bin, how full that thing
gets after you've opened all your presence, and then imagine
having to wait two weeks before someone comes and collects it. Thankfully,
this is Auckland is thankful. I know they did this
in some parts of the country. In Auckland they have

(01:01:44):
just said nay to the trial, Josie, do you think
And it's one of those issues where people spoke out
and said nah, we don't want it, and the counselors
have actually listened to them. But the whole idea is
still not off the table. It could happen for everyone
permanently one day.

Speaker 26 (01:02:00):
It's these crazy ideas that you can get people out
of cars by simply taking their car away, I not
having parking places, and that you can get rid of
rubbish just by not.

Speaker 3 (01:02:09):
Giving them a big enough and I won't like that, guys.

Speaker 26 (01:02:13):
And you remember in the nineties, late nineties, I guess
it was in offices where they started taking the bins
away and putting in these little things on your desk
where you could put your apple core. And your lasted
about a nanosecond because everyone just you know, went, I'm
not not doing it.

Speaker 5 (01:02:28):
I'm not.

Speaker 26 (01:02:28):
Don't be silly. I've got rubbish, live with it.

Speaker 3 (01:02:31):
It's annoying, Tim Well, you know at this studio we've
got a problem with the bins because they've they've got
a couple of bins and then on this floor and
the one being the main one we have is in
the studio and fills up so quickly, and then Mike
Hoskin gets you angry in the mind.

Speaker 23 (01:02:45):
Oh yeah, yeah, I mean mess Heath fills it up,
Kerry Wood and fills it up. You Ryan, I'm sure
would be extremely obstemious when it comes to rubbish. You'd
eat your own apple cares you make sure that you
know it wasn't it wasn't rubbish. But I'm I'm with
the majority of Aucklanders who say, can you collect my
rubbish every week? Because well, our beIN always gets filled up?

Speaker 7 (01:03:07):
And why is that?

Speaker 23 (01:03:08):
We've got four boys and we are literally providing taxpayers
of the future, so the council should be paying us
to collect our rubbish.

Speaker 1 (01:03:16):
You're welcome, exactly.

Speaker 3 (01:03:18):
It's annoying. What do you make of this mega ministry?
We had mb and now we got M. I can't
even remember what it is, msect something, it's MSERT they're
calling it, which is Cities and Environment and Transport MBM.

Speaker 26 (01:03:33):
So the first thing is stop coming up with these
stupid names. And if you can't just call it, like
I don't know, the mega Industry of Business Development, which
is what MB should have been, should always have been
Ministry of Development or whatever economic development, this whatever meth
and so whatever it's called, should be Ministry of plan
Environment or planning or something like that. So that tells me,

(01:03:55):
though it's not just a silly, bloody acronym. It tells
me that they had the thinking is all up here
about shuffling the deck chairs, clump a whole lot of
government departments together, and you'll deal with with the lack
of collaboration and coordination. Actually, you've got to deal with
a substance. And I just think this whole focus on
structure rather than thinking, why is the public sector not

(01:04:16):
delivering everything we need urgently. You've got to change the culture.
You've got to put more risk in the design and
the ideas and less in the implementation. You know, you
need those sorts of ideas rather than just what we
do in New Zealand when we go. Let's just clump
them all together and they'll spend two years developing HR policies, branding,

(01:04:36):
you know, I don't know straighteners and the toilets, hair dryers.
It'll all just be two years of doing nothing, building nothing,
doing nothing. I'm not a fan.

Speaker 23 (01:04:48):
Well, I've got the name for it. Don't call it
a mega ministry, call it a mega ministry, make great
Again ministry. Actually, I'm kind of down with this because
it's a pretty coherent group of ministries that are being
put together. They are sort of it's an attempt to
enhance the RMA changes that are happening, and also it

(01:05:09):
reports to one minister, So you compare that to say
MB which reports to Actually, we looked it up nineteen
ministers and one parliamentary undersecretary. No one owns that one
person will own this. I'm optimistic, yeah, good, well, good
for you.

Speaker 8 (01:05:24):
Tim.

Speaker 3 (01:05:24):
I'm not.

Speaker 23 (01:05:27):
And that I fear jose is already in a caftan
clutching a genatonic in each hand.

Speaker 19 (01:05:32):
I am.

Speaker 3 (01:05:35):
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tin Hey in Brown University in the US. It's pretty
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someone comes in kills people at a university. They arrest
a guy. Actually it's the wrong guy. But in you know,
this day and age, with all the cameras and they
still haven't found him. Anyway, people are very worried about
that in the States, as you can imagine. At Brown
there's a fifty thousand dollars reward four days in and
still no one caught. We've got lots of updates coming

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Speaker 3 (01:07:05):
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host of the Country, joins us for a rule update.
Shortly we will talk trade meets one hundred and thirty
eight million dollar right down and a UK in de
Brady correspondent with us before seven o'clock this evening. Right now,
Nicola Willis is pushing out well, she's not pushing up
the surplus, but the surplace is being pushed out from
underneath her to twenty thirty from twenty twenty nine. She's

(01:07:29):
convinced she can still get there by twenty twenty nine,
but the books out today show well that ain't happening
at the moment. Net debt will peek at forty six
point nine percent of GDP in a couple of years.
Nikola willis defending not cutting her budget allowances.

Speaker 20 (01:07:43):
Further because that is what is required to ensure we
can make the investments needed to increase health service delivery,
to ensure our schools have the resources they need to
pay their teachers and deliver learning, that our police have
the resources they need on the front line, and to
continue our build and defence capability.

Speaker 3 (01:08:01):
Independent economists Cameron Baggery is with me on the line now, Cameron,
good evening, good Na, what were your thoughts looking at
the hay food today?

Speaker 14 (01:08:11):
Oh, not too many surprises where your economy first half
of this year was obviously going to have the tax
forecast achieving a surplace has been pushed.

Speaker 7 (01:08:19):
Out a year.

Speaker 14 (01:08:20):
I guess if you look at the bigger picture, yeah,
we're going to have a decade of deficits. And if
you look at the last two years, right, the situation's
actually been worse than it actually hasn't been getting better.
So what's called the structure or the underlying deficit. There's
been getting worse than what we call a fair but
of what is called promise me nomics as and I

(01:08:41):
promise I'll get the books in order. But it's all
backloaded towards the last three years of the forecast, which
is tomorrow's store.

Speaker 7 (01:08:47):
You're right here, and now we know that the numbers
have been deteriorating for the past two years.

Speaker 3 (01:08:51):
Is she right when she says, well, I could fix that,
I could cut, and I could hack like that, you
know Ruth Richardson wants me to do, but that would
undermine the very growth store. I'm trying to tell, well,
she is going to.

Speaker 14 (01:09:03):
Be hacking, because yeah, if you look at what's called
the structural deficit is going to deteriorate for another twelve months.
The structural deficit has been deteriorating for the past couple
of years. It's going to continue to troate for another
twelve months. Yeah, from twenty twenty seven to eight thousand
and thirty. To get the books back in the red,
that's when the government is going to be crunching government

(01:09:24):
expenditure to the tune they're going to shrink it by
two point three percentage points of GDP so there's a
fair bit of hacking that's going to be going on,
but it's in the back end of the forecast.

Speaker 7 (01:09:35):
What's been going on now and in the next sort
of twelve months.

Speaker 14 (01:09:40):
We're seeing a bit of spinning restraint, but we haven't
seen extual fiscal restraint. We're seeing an awful lot of
initiatives on the revue side of the equation, and of course,
when you know, that's led to a deterioration in the
structural deficit. So the hard yards haven't really started yet, right,
and the hard yards really start in twenty twenty seven.

Speaker 3 (01:10:01):
And so, and basically we're on a hope and a
prayer that that will actually happen too, aren't we.

Speaker 1 (01:10:08):
There?

Speaker 14 (01:10:09):
Well, I guess you look at your zealone superannuation, you
look at health needs, infrastructure. You know, with any finance minister,
doesn't matter whether it's Nicola Willis or whether it's opposition
political parties, they're all stuck in what's called the impossible trinity.
Now you've got three corners to a triangle. On one corner,

(01:10:29):
you've got this thing called fiscal credibility. You want to
show responsible fiscal management. You want to go from depths
at a surplus. You want to pay down a little
bit of debt just in case we have some sort
of economic shock, to make sure you've got a little
bit of money to read aploy. You've got rating agencies
that are looking at you. The second part of the
triangle is infrastructure investment, and those infrastructure investment needs are

(01:10:50):
immense and you're going to have to borrow for that.
And the third part of the triangle is called social services.
You can be on two sides, or you can hit
two sides of the trying well, you can't hit three.
And if a look at the forecast what we're presented today,
it's pretty obvious that social services, your real spending per capita,
is going to shrink, and that will be a point
of vulnerability, not just for the current government, but any

(01:11:13):
government going forward, because there's a you can get two
out of three, you can't get three out of three.

Speaker 3 (01:11:17):
So what's the rabbit that's going to be pulled out
of the hat. They did it with pay equity last budget.
What's next years? Do you reckon? It's something to do
with acc.

Speaker 14 (01:11:25):
I suspect so and that that's a that's an economic
comparative anyway, a lot of those crown entities.

Speaker 7 (01:11:32):
It doesn't matter if you look at Health New zeal And,
you look at King Aura, or you look at your ACC.

Speaker 14 (01:11:38):
They're bleeding cash. They're adding to the deficit. They've got
to turn those ships around. How do you turn ACC around? Well,
ultimately someone pays.

Speaker 7 (01:11:45):
And guess who pays ACC levis.

Speaker 3 (01:11:48):
US Treasury reckons the ocr is going to stay low
for the next three years or so. But markets have
been behaving well quite differently. Who do we believe on that?

Speaker 14 (01:11:58):
I believe markets at the moment, Yeah, I think we're
more likely to get a twenty twenty six hike as
a post lock. The Treasury's got to set a forecast
that's say potential growth.

Speaker 7 (01:12:10):
Your productivity growth is going to pack up. That packs up.

Speaker 14 (01:12:14):
You can absorb something to pick up demand without creating inflation.
Inflation is going to magically stay around two percent. Inflation
stays around two percent. The official cashtrikes is stay low
right out till about twenty twenty eight.

Speaker 7 (01:12:25):
Do I believe in that sort of magical theory sort
of story. The answer is no.

Speaker 14 (01:12:28):
You know, I think the economy is picking up. I
think productivity growth is still going to be reaching anemic.
What is actually just to me inflah's not going to
go back down to two percent, So the reserve being's
going to be back and play sometime in twenty twenty six.

Speaker 3 (01:12:41):
Good to know, Cameron. Thank you, Cameron Bagriy, Independent Economists.
Twelve minutes after six Ryan, you know Trump and the
whole Panorama thing of the BBC and obviously he wasn't
happy about that, told the world about it. This was
the original edit of the January sixth video that Panorama plays.

Speaker 28 (01:12:56):
We're going to walk down to the capital and I'll
be there with you, and we fight. We fight like hell,
and if you don't fight like hell, you're not going
to have.

Speaker 29 (01:13:07):
A country anymore.

Speaker 3 (01:13:08):
Yeah, So that sounds really bad. And this was what
he actually said.

Speaker 1 (01:13:11):
We're going to walk down to the capital.

Speaker 28 (01:13:16):
And we're going to cheer on our brave senators and
congressmen and women.

Speaker 3 (01:13:23):
And then a whole fifty four minutes later he said this,
but and we fight.

Speaker 28 (01:13:27):
We fight like hell, and if you don't fight like hell,
you're not going to have a country anymore.

Speaker 3 (01:13:32):
Now the BBC has come out, you know they did
at the times that it was an eraror of judgment
in their editing, etc. And Trump is always threatening to sue. Well,
today he has come good on that and he has
put out the number that he wants, nine billion New
Zealand dollars. Trump issuing the BBC thirteen after six Jamie
McKay on the Country.

Speaker 1 (01:13:53):
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Speaker 3 (01:14:02):
Six sixteen News Talk ZP. We're talking about trade meetings,
big right down after six thirty this season, speaking of
right downs, Ford has taken a massive hit. This is
over in the US, almost twenty billion dollar hit over
its EV side of the business. EV business, a vehicle business,
I should say. So what they've done is shift their strategy.

(01:14:24):
They were going full EV electric vehicles and they are
pulling back now going more gas powered hybrid and what
they call extended range electric vehicles because the demand for
actual evs, as you know, has been thinking. By twenty thirty,
Ford anticipates hybrids, extended range vehicles and evs will constitute

(01:14:45):
about half of its global output, half of the cars
it makes. But they've just taken this massive impairment. One
of the biggest impairments taken by a company in the
US ever, and since twenty twenty three they've lost thirteen
b billion dollars on their EV business.

Speaker 1 (01:15:04):
The Rural Report on Heather do for see Allen Drive.

Speaker 3 (01:15:08):
Jamie McKay's with us this evening host of the country, Jamie.
Good evening, Good evening, Ryan.

Speaker 10 (01:15:13):
And just before we get into the thick of it,
just to we footnote for you, not on Ford in
their impairment, but on the well this is sort of
a bit of an impairment really. It's the final Global
Dairy Trade auction. Tonight features market picking another drop of
a couple of percent or so. My man at Jordan,
Mike McIntyre tells me. Now, if that comes to pass,

(01:15:34):
that's nine straight falls, ten being the record since we've
started the GDT auctions. So I hate to be the
bear of bad news, Ryan, but it's got that feel
about it. Nine dollars here we come.

Speaker 3 (01:15:47):
Yeah, they's certainly heading in that direction, isn't it.

Speaker 1 (01:15:50):
Now?

Speaker 3 (01:15:50):
Food and five exports, this is some bright spark. I
suppose food and fiber exports will reach a record sixty
two billion dollars next year.

Speaker 10 (01:16:00):
And that's on top of this year's I mean the
sixty two billion is for the year end of June thirty,
twenty twenty six, so I guess it's in the farming
season that we're in. It beats last year's record setting
sixty point four billion. And the good news is Ryan,
for the year ended thirtieth, twenty twenty seven, we're up
to sixty three billion. And if you want to figure

(01:16:22):
out how important the primary sector is to our economy,
one on every seven people work in food and fiber
and the sector now accounts for eighty three percent of
all New Zealand goods exports, So it's huge for our economy.
We break it down into sectors, meat and wall Let's
face it, it's mainly. Meat has been the star of

(01:16:43):
the stable, lifting seven percent of over thirteen billion. Horticulture
off the back of kiwi fruit doing really well, lifting
five percent to nine point two billion. Now it's not
that long ago, Ryan that horticulture and forestry were neck
and neck. Forestry did lift two percent, but it's when
I say languishing at six point three billion. That's still

(01:17:05):
a lot of money. But horticulture has really taken off
off the back of the kiwi fruit and apples, I think,
reaching one billion for the first time. And of course
when it comes to value and volume, it's all about
the dairy export industry only lifted one percent. Obviously we've
got falling prices to factor in, but it is worth
to our economy of whopping twenty seven point four billion dollars.

Speaker 3 (01:17:30):
So there you go.

Speaker 10 (01:17:31):
That was in the Situation and Outlook for Primary Industries
report released this morning.

Speaker 3 (01:17:37):
Jamie, what's happening with the animal protein industry? Generally a
slowdown being predicted in production growth for twenty six Yeah.

Speaker 10 (01:17:46):
Yeah, this is the latest Rabobank report and they always
put out wonderful reports. Love reading them. Ryan shameless Plug
for Rabobank the Global Animal Protein Outlook for twenty twenty six. Interestingly,
seafood and potree will emerge as the primary drivers of
production growth, while pork and beef are expected to contract,

(01:18:08):
marking the first time in global land based species reduction
and output for at least six years. So here in
New Zealand, what's the story. The beefhead countess forecast to
rise by about three percent and twenty twenty six. Look,
beef farming is where it's at at the moment. On
the sheep side, even though you numbers have declined by

(01:18:30):
one point nine percent, the lambs available for slaughter out
of them, as I think we touched on last week,
are still roughly about the same. So our national U
flock is now down to just over fourteen million sheep. Ryan,
you're far too young to remember in the nineteen eighties
when we had over seventy million sheep. Obviously they weren't

(01:18:52):
all used, but the numbers that decline has been rapid
global demand for New Zealand red meat, and this is
the good news, is anticipated to remain robust in twenty
twenty six. And even though our volumes have softened into
the likes of China, were really they're really being offset
by us getting more lamb exports into the likes of

(01:19:14):
the EU and the US and to a lesser extent,
the UK. And we are really being helped in those
two European markets by our FTAs. We just need to
convince Donald Trump to drop the tariffs and give us
the free trade agreement and it's happy days for New
Zealand farming.

Speaker 3 (01:19:30):
Same goes for India. Appreciate that, Jamie. Thank you. Jamie McKay,
host of the country on Newstalks there B it's six
point twenty two. We'll get to show biz.

Speaker 2 (01:19:38):
Next, everything from SMEs to the big corporates, the business
hours with Ryan Bridge and Mass Motor Vehicle Insurance.

Speaker 1 (01:19:47):

Speaker 3 (01:19:49):
News Talks 'db six twenty four. Consumer New Zealand's warning
are warning you, just kind of advising you. Watch out
how much they're charging you, sur charging you when you're
gone buy something at the dairy or by something at
the shop. And I have to admit that I'm a
bit of a whiss when it comes to this. The
surcharge amount will pop up and I barelyeve and blink.
I just go yes, yes, yes, because the shop keepers

(01:20:11):
there looking at you, and you don't want to cause
a saint, I know, JU said. I mean, God knows
what they're putting on there, but the maximum they should
be putting on there this Christmas and complain to consume
in New Zealand if it's more than this is one
point two or max one point three percent. If someone's
whacking two percent onto your Coca Cola or your ice cream,

(01:20:31):
your tipped off ice cream, then go running and screaming
to Consumer z that's what they're telling us. Twenty five after.

Speaker 1 (01:20:37):
There's no business like show business.

Speaker 19 (01:20:45):
Changes.

Speaker 3 (01:20:47):
Just when you thought it was all over, Shortened Streak
comes back a swinging because an unexpected TV legend is
returning to Ferndale.

Speaker 9 (01:21:00):
Hey, we're not finished yet, just a lot of.

Speaker 3 (01:21:05):
High heels anyway, we're talking about classic Shorty Street character.
Rachel McKenna is coming back, played by Angela Bloomfield. Character
hasn't been seen on the soap since way back in
twenty sixteen, way back before COVID. Long time. She's going
to be back from February next year and a season
that they're calling Shortened Street Legacy. Rachel first appeared in

(01:21:27):
nineteen ninety four. That's more than thirty years ago. Now
after a fifteen year will they won't they? To rival
Ross and Rachel from Friends. McKenna married Chris Warner in
twenty fourteen. Remember that finally they got married, but the
drama did not end there. Remember the codeine alcohol addiction
that Rachel had. Very unfortunate she when she was under

(01:21:49):
the influences of that slapped Chris's son Harry, You remember
the one that looked annoying. Well, they broke up after that,
but then Chris got falsely accused of murder. Rachel stood
by her man anyway, thrilling stuff going on on that show.
Twenty twenty five Christmas clockhanger aired last night. Apparently did

(01:22:09):
you catch it? There was a deadly virus sweeping across Auckland.
Sounds strangely familiar. So if you want to be prepared
for Rachel's return, apparently you need to go and look
at the finale on TV and Z plus. It's airing
there now. I shan't be doing that tonight twenty seven
after Sex News Cook Zibb.

Speaker 2 (01:22:36):
If it's to do with money, it matters to you.
The Business Hour with Ryan Bridge and Man's Motor Vehicle Insurance,
Your futures in good hands used talk Zebby.

Speaker 3 (01:22:58):
Twenty five Wife News talks to people. Get to Endebrady
out of the UK before seven o'clock this evening. We
spoke to Mariold's out of Australia after four and he
mentioned this and I want to play the audio for you.
This is John Howard, you know, former Prime Minister of Australia.
So he goes along to the vigil that was held
at Bondi Beach laying flowers, et cetera. And they received him.

(01:23:19):
This is the crowd to chance of bringing back John.
He was very critical of Albanesi today and calling his
attempt to reform gun laws basically a massive diversion tactic.

Speaker 29 (01:23:32):
He's let the Jewish community down on this simply by
not enthusiastically and energetically denouncing Andy Semitism. People do take
a lead from their leaders. Now we've now been treated
to the big attempt at a diversion changes to gun laws.

Speaker 3 (01:23:52):
Yeah, interesting, isn't it. And the thing is, you know
why Alberanzi was so reticent because it was all the
heat about Gaza. You know that they were walking liberal
sort of progressive politicians are walking a very fine line
of wanting to criticize net and Yahoo, et cetera. But
they also didn't clearly, according to at least one form

(01:24:13):
of politician here, clearly didn't go far enough the other
way to say, hey, that doesn't mean you get to
be antisemitic and go and throw fire bombs at synagogues for.

Speaker 1 (01:24:21):
Goodness sakes, Bryan Bridge.

Speaker 3 (01:24:23):
Right back home. Bad news for the country's leading online
buy and sell website, trade Me's written down the good
will of value of its online marketplace from two hundred
and seventy five million dollars to one hundred and thirty
seven million. The reason for this has been given as
a restrained short term future growth for that part of
Trade means business. Bodolang is a marketing professor at Massi

(01:24:45):
University and joins me now Voda good evening, Good evening, Ryan,
How are you very well? Thank you? So people basically
aren't selling their stuff on trade me. Is that what's
going on here?

Speaker 13 (01:24:56):
Yeah?

Speaker 27 (01:24:56):
I think there is effectively that sort. I think the
company to adjust its growth expectations and they're just they're
still the market leader, but that market leadership is I
think increasingly coming under threat. And so what's happened is
we've got more competition and as a result, I think
their growth expectations are just much lower, and so that's

(01:25:17):
why they've produced their their goodwill is face.

Speaker 3 (01:25:21):
You know, there's Facebook marketplace that I know lots of
people are using. But are we buying less? You know
it is it other secondhand outlets and online shops that
we're going to or is it actually that we're buying
lots of teamos stuff, new stuff that's just as cheap.

Speaker 27 (01:25:37):
Yeah, I think it's a mixture of things. I think
it's so there's definitely more competition in the second hand space,
and so the biggest one is obviously Facebook Marketplace, but
then there's other sites as well. So back in the
back when trade me started, there was no competition and
so that was the only place really we could sell things,
and in fact they did effectively a couple of other

(01:25:59):
businesses of business. So I think maybe we're seeing this
now slowly occurring here. So there's other used goods retailers
or sides rather, and then there's also certainly brand new,
very cheap Chinese products that we can buy on huge
I mean massive platforms that provide an incredible amount of choice,

(01:26:23):
and so that's the second factor. And I think the
third factor, to be honest, is also the arrival of
really big box retailers in New Zealand like Ikia. I mean,
now that we have Ikia in the country, it's pretty
easy for anybody anywhere in New Zealand to order fairly inexpensive,
really innovative, creative, modern goods that just weren't available previously.

(01:26:44):
And so if you're after a lampshade or I don't
know whatever it might be. You know, there is now
another really big name Intel.

Speaker 3 (01:26:53):
Is trade me kind of at risk here? Like is
this potentially a terminal development for them? Or do they
just op right as a smaller business into the future
And is there anything they can do to turn that
sort of brain thing around.

Speaker 27 (01:27:08):
Yeah, that's a great question. I think it's certainly a
business model issue. And so the business model is on
a threat, and that's because there's much more competition. I
think consumer sentiment has moved on. Why I deal with
you know, other consumers buying something online that is used
that may or may not be good when you can
buy something brand new and bird cheap from a Chinese retailer.

(01:27:31):
So that's I think a big, big problem that that
sort of changed, or the threat to the business model.
What can they do about it? I think, you know,
it's time for innovation and it's time to really listen
to customers and to think about, you know, what does
the research tell us. So I'm sure trade me you know,
has focused groups and all sorts of other tracking studies,

(01:27:52):
and they would be listening very closely to what are
the you know, the barriers or what are the turnoffs.
So why do people stop selling things via trade new
marketplace and why is that and then turning those things around,
And it might be some of those things might be
very easy to fix. It might be that they feel
that the fees that are being charged at to excessive

(01:28:14):
or that the process is to cumbersome, and so you know,
there's sculpt and improve these things. But it's certainly big picture.
It's a threat to the business model because there are
others in the market, and then there are other other
big brands that sell brand new products that are not
that expensive.

Speaker 3 (01:28:30):
Good point, Body, thank you for that, Body Lang, who's
a marketing professor at mass University. Time is twenty to seven.
I have to say, the last few times I've been
on trade me, it's not that I don't want to
buy something. It's just that the thing that I want
to buy is not there. Like people aren't posting, people
aren't selling stuff like they used to do on trade me.

(01:28:50):
It's just not the same experience. David says Ryan trade
me upgraded their website and it was ten steps backwards.
They wrecked something that worked well and people left in
their droves. I hadn't noticed that that I didn't even
flinch that they had changed their website. That's not what
drove me away. It's more just that, apart from property,
property has always been listed on there. But apart from that,

(01:29:12):
if you go look at I don't know, a tent
or something, it's just not the same as it used
to be. It seems like there's only a couple of
people on there. Maybe that's part of the problem. Nineteen
to seven news talks be we'll get to end the
Brady out of the UK.

Speaker 2 (01:29:23):
Next, sprudging the numbers and getting the results. It's Wayne
Bridge on the Business Hour with MAS Motor Vehicle Insurance.

Speaker 3 (01:29:34):
Used talks'd be sixteen away from seven. Well, I can
see why trade me is having to do the good
will right down. The feedback on the text machine not great, Ryan.
Trade me is very antiquated, has been for some time.
Don't go near it, says Dennis. Trade Me says Gavin
has a seven point nine percent commission and has raised
their maximum amount caps, so I'm out, and other says

(01:29:56):
look at all the fees that they charge to sell
a car now for good to say sext should be
called extort me. There you go. No one's very keen
on it. No one not almost pay for anything these
days do that and presumably on Facebook marketplace they don't
charge you anything, do they. So why would you bother
paying something when you don't need to? Quarter to seven,
Ryan Bridge to the UK in the Brady a UK

(01:30:18):
correspondent with us in the Good evening.

Speaker 9 (01:30:20):
Good morning to you, Hello Ryan, Hello all, good to
speak to you again.

Speaker 3 (01:30:23):
Now we've got more talk of getting really for preparing
for watch out for war with Russia.

Speaker 9 (01:30:31):
Yeah, this is very very concerning. This is the head
of the UK Armed Forces, so he's the top military
commander in Britain, Sir Richard Knighton. He's given a speech
in London at a defense institute think tank and basically
saying war with Russia is coming.

Speaker 3 (01:30:47):
People are going to have to.

Speaker 9 (01:30:48):
Make sacrifices, sons, daughters, families get ready for war with Russia.
So they're spelling it out and this is happening on
an almost weekly basis. Now we're seeing everyone in Europe
kind of ramping up. Germany's bringing it back in a
form of national service and spending an awful lot of
money on defense, whereas previously they didn't Poland. I was

(01:31:10):
there earlier this year. I interviewed their defense procurement minister
and I said to him, do you think you'll hit
five percent spend on GDP for defense this year? And
he said, if we need six percent, we'll do it.
If we need seven percent.

Speaker 19 (01:31:22):
We'll do it.

Speaker 9 (01:31:23):
Shall I keep going? That was what he said to me.
So Europe is ramping up, and I think everyone is
looking east, looking at what Putin is doing in Ukraine,
and certainly Sir Richard Knighton, head of the UK Armed Forces,
spelling out that the UK needs to get ready for
a war with Russia in the future.

Speaker 3 (01:31:40):
You know the analogy when you're slowly bawling in the pot.
I mean, we get another one of these warnings every week.
But I don't know. Maybe it's because we're on the
other side of the world, but they don't feel it
doesn't feel feel like people are really pannicking or anything
like that.

Speaker 9 (01:31:54):
What is the feeling like where you are? I think
nobody's panicking because look the job we do. We ask
questions of people. We interview politicians and defense people and
ministers and experts. I'm talking to people. My TV show
Roundtable is the current affairs show with Europe as the theme,
and every single week I'm talking to people on the

(01:32:15):
show and they're all worried. I mean, we've traveled this year.
We've been in Germany with the show, We've been to
Poland Warsaw as I said, and people in Europe are
very very concerned. However, if you walk down the streets
of England, Scotland, Wales right now, people are worried about
paying their mortgages, getting to Christmas with the paycheck, and
getting to January. Nobody has this as a priority. I

(01:32:38):
think what we're seeing is that the armed forces basically
wrapping the knuckles of government and saying, look, we need
more money.

Speaker 3 (01:32:46):
Yeah. Same. Now, tell us about Cliff Richard had this
trip to New Zealand could have saved his life.

Speaker 9 (01:32:52):
Yeah, there's an amazing story. So apparently Sir Cliff was
due to travel to New Zealand last year and his
promoter said, look, you're going to need travel insurance and
we just need to get your medical check to get
the travel insurance. And it was at that point he
went for the medical check and he was scanned and
tested and they found prostate cancer and he immediately underwent treatment.

(01:33:13):
He's eighty five years old now, and he has given
an interview to a friend of mine and former colleague
at skuy Dermot Mernahan, who has stage four prostate cancer,
and they had a wonderful conversation about prostate cancer and
the need for men to go and get themselves checked.
And Sir Cliff just letting it be known that a
trip to New Zealand has pretty much saved his life.

Speaker 3 (01:33:33):
Finally, a rundown fan building at Sandringham is amac for Andrew.

Speaker 1 (01:33:39):
Is this true?

Speaker 9 (01:33:41):
So the Palace won't comment on individual private living arrangements
of individual private citizens, so basically pointing out that he
ain't no longer a prince. However, the local media have
noticed that the no fly zone over Sandringham has been
extended to a place called Marsh Farm, which is seven
miles west of the main house where the King will

(01:34:02):
spend Christmas. So why would they be extending and no
flies zone over a random property in the middle of nowhere.
Apparently it's very run down, it's going to need a
lot of work to make it habitable. But the local
rumor mill is in overdrive that in twenty twenty six
that's where Andrew Mountbatten Windsor will be moving to. So

(01:34:23):
let's wait and see. I mean, I can't put in
towards how rural Sandringham is. Honestly, Ryan, I just can't
see Andrew staying there. He likes shiny things, he likes
bright lights and the fast life and the good life
and rural Sandringham. I don't think it's for him.

Speaker 3 (01:34:41):
I saw his story in the Daily Mail, and you know,
I don't know if it's true or not. It was
about Fergie potentially having to live in an old cowshed
on Beatrice's one of Beats farms. Is that true?

Speaker 9 (01:34:53):
Well, there is that property. I've seen exactly that same
story as well.

Speaker 3 (01:34:56):
Everyone was talking about it.

Speaker 9 (01:34:58):
The thing is some of them have paid only rental
mortgages anywhere in their entire adult lives. So where they live,
I think when you see what most people are struggling
with rising energy, cross inflation, food builds, Christmas, there's not
a great deal of sympathy out there for these two.

Speaker 1 (01:35:15):
No, there's not.

Speaker 3 (01:35:17):
Thank you so much for the Endebrady, a UK correspondent
ten minutes away from seven. The story it had photos
and everything, and it literally is an old dilapidated old
cow shed and one no, not even in one bedroom.
I think it was a bedsit, so she wouldn't even
have her own separate bedroom, and there would be no
one in the main house because it's not a permanent
resu It was in the cotswolves or something, so she'd

(01:35:39):
be out there on her own in a bedsit in
the middle of the countryside. As is not much sympathy
that was there ten to seven It's the Heather.

Speaker 2 (01:35:51):
Two for see Alan Drive Full Show podcast on iHeartRadio
powered by News Talk ZIBB.

Speaker 3 (01:35:58):
News talksib It is seven minutes away from seven GEZ.
People don't like trade Meet Ryan. I use trade me
and Facebook marketplace, but listing an item on trade me
can be quite tedious because of the many steps that
are involved. In contrast marketplaces very quick. The credit card
charges are gone, et cetera, et cetera. I've noticed they
charge sellers two point one nine percent if a buyer

(01:36:19):
pays by a debit or a credit card. So not
only are they charging your fee, they then whack on
a surcharge. Now, if you are an elderly person or
if you have mobility issues, you're going to have to
pay more for public transport. This is one of those
decisions which and I'm yet to see how much in
total it will save, but just seems really measly. So

(01:36:42):
government is cutting the transport subsidies for the elderly and
disabled people from seventy five percent to sixty five percent.
This is if you're familiar with the Total Mobility scheme.
It basically gives you a discount for public transport fears
and for taxi, like if you need access to taxi,

(01:37:02):
you've got no other way getting around people who live
with long term impairments. So Chris Bishop, he's Transport Minister,
and Louise Upston, she's disability. They said that the previous
labor government boosted the scheme from a fifty percent subsidy
in twenty twenty two and then didn't account for the
increase in demand that would flow from that, and so

(01:37:25):
the upshoulders you've got a whole bunch more people and
therefore the whole scheme is far more expensive and too expensive,
and so now they're having to cut back. So their
argument is you are still better off now than you
were in twenty twenty two when it was only fifty percent,
but it's just gotten out of hand. So there you go.
I mean there'll be kickback, so you can imagine going
into Christmas what labor is going to do with that information.

(01:37:47):
Over the next week, you're on News Talk SB and
it is coming up to seven o'clock and it's what
are we going out to tonight?

Speaker 30 (01:37:53):
Stay out of My Business by Tammy Nielsen. The players
outs note because Tammy Neilson is on the roster of Explore,
well we already knew that, but the news out, the
very sad new is that this coming Splore in February
at Tabakapanga Regional Park in Auckland is going to be
the last one. The event is apparently not financially viable
anymore and they applied for that government event money but

(01:38:14):
didn't get me. So that's going to be the last one.
So if you were on the fence about going to Splore,
maybe go to this one because it is going to be,
as far as it looks, the very last one. You'll
be able to see Tammy Nielsen, Norwegian electropop band Royx
up there coming over for it as well, Nightmares on Wax,
General Levy, Sister Nancy.

Speaker 3 (01:38:32):
It's as always a very very good lineup. All right, well,
hopefully people go for one last turra. Then thanks ants,
and thank you for all of your texts and your
feedback this afternoon. Very much enjoyed it. We'll see you tomorrow.

Speaker 19 (01:38:55):
And you want a pa.

Speaker 18 (01:39:00):
The one have been coming to ride to Briddamn. A

(01:39:26):
woman stay home to raise the baby, must be nice
to do nothing, ns be lazy and so she go
out to make them money.

Speaker 3 (01:39:36):
How can you leave your babies? You're a bad down.

Speaker 1 (01:39:39):
Mommy my friendness, my friend, my business.

Speaker 3 (01:39:50):
Bisness. You got is your awn?

Speaker 1 (01:40:37):
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