Full Show Podcast: 19 December 2025

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Depressing the newsmakers to get the real story. It's Andrew
Dickens on hither duplicy Ellen Drive with one New Zealand
coverage like no one else.

Speaker 2 (00:10):
News talks it me Hey, good after in to you
and welcome to the program. Thank you for joining us.
We're here until seven in the program Today kee We
Bank's capital raises off. The boss of New Zealand Cricket
is out and off and Devin Conway is out eventually
pinning on sport in ten minutes. AI is making power
phones and computers more expensive.

Speaker 3 (00:30):
That's next.

Speaker 2 (00:31):
Australia is still on edge over BONDAI very sober for
the final time this year, not once, but twice. And
Elvis is in the house. Yes, we have an Elvis
impersonator at five fifteen. These stories plus breaking news and
correspondence from right around the world and you can have
your say on ninety two ninety two. Small charge applies.
It's eight after four Dickens right, o Well. The government

(00:54):
has approved Ocean Gold's Yhi North mining project, extending gold
and silver extraction in the Wahi area until twenty forty three,
delighting the pro mining crowd and Matua Shane Jones. It
is a decision I agree with. Why He has already
been extensively mined, the environment has already beaten up. This

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will keep the town alive and will provide hundreds of jobs.
But make no mistake, this is not going to be
an El Dorado for the whole country. The royalties are
still at the excruciatingly low level they've always been at.
So why he North will generate five point two billion
dollars in additional gold and silver exports over its eighteen
year lifespan. Five point two billion. That's about two hundred

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and eighty six million a year crown revenue from corporate
tax paye and royalties expected to net a president value
of four hundred and twenty two million. They mine five
point two billion, we get four hundred and twenty two
million over the life of the project. Now that is
not an economy saving sun. It represents about an eight

(01:58):
percent yield on the output, so it's not nothing, but
it's not an economy saving sum. But remember, a deal
is a deal, and they were given the license to
mind why He, and they're just continuing to mind why He.
But what really concerns me is thoughts about new claims
the area behind Poha Nui and Tairua on the Corimandel,
or the new work proposed for Bendigo, because until the

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whole nation truly benefits from the work, until the royalties
are increased, are we prepared to damage our land for
that money? Is it worth it? Andrew dickens, All right,
it is nearly ten out of four and consumers are

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being worn. The phones and computers are set to get
a whole lot more expensive. That's because of the rise
and rise of AI. It's creating a shortage of computer chips.
The price of computer parts like rams have also skyrocketed.
You should see the size of these data centers they
are building and how much kittens needed. Some products are
now costing twice as much now compared to last year.

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So Gorilla Tech CEO and tech commentator Paul Spain joins me. Now,
good morning, Paul, Hey, Andrew. So, chips and ram all
all this stuff are in every phone and computer. We
can't do without the name.

Speaker 4 (03:15):
No, that that's right. You know when we look at
when we look at a computer or we look at
a phone, you know you've got the key components as
your your your process or your central processing unit, which
is effectively the brain. Then you've got the RAM or
the sort of core core memory there which I guess
in our minds as would also be part of our brain.

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And then you've got the longer, longer term storage and
the bit that's really skyrocketing is the RAM. And we're
seeing even here in New Zealand right now some some
RAM has tripled in price, others, as you know, at
least twice.

Speaker 5 (03:56):
You know what it was six months ago.

Speaker 2 (03:58):
Gamers are freaking out. So why are they getting so
expensive so quickly? Is this pure supply and demand? Because
AI do needs so many chips in RAM.

Speaker 4 (04:07):
It is very much a supply and demand issue. There's
only so much production capability on the planet. And what
we're seeing is where these chips are fabricated, they are
diverting their production away from the RAM that's used in

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our consumer devices to the high bandwidth memory that is
being used in the AI data centers.

Speaker 2 (04:36):
So what devices in tech will be affected the most?

Speaker 4 (04:40):
Look, I think at the moment, probably those being impacted
are more your gamers or those building a custom computer.
If you want to avoid the impact of this, then
buying a full blown computer or smartphone now that the

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manufacturer has already put the memory in and has already
set the price in with some of those that the
prices may not move as much in the in the
shorter term, and brands like Apple tend to have their
prices fluctuate.

Speaker 6 (05:19):
Much less than, for.

Speaker 4 (05:21):
Instance, a custom built computer. But you know, I would
be I'd be wary if you're thinking about that from
a personal purchase perspective of sitting around too long.

Speaker 2 (05:33):
Meanwhile, data centers tube up an awful lot of power
and that's affecting power prices because so many data centers
are being being built. We've heard now the Google has
bought a nuclear power plant because they need the power
to do to run an AI data center. The question
is the AI bubble is it going to burst? And
if it does burst, would you then expect the price

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to come back down? And would you possibly expect an
entire market meltdown?

Speaker 4 (05:59):
Well, yeah, I'm not sure. I'm not sure about the
entire market meltdown. But look the the the investment into
new data centers for AI that would likely fall, you know,
or reduce if we see you know, a big impact
on the on the share market.

Speaker 5 (06:20):
With the AI stocks.

Speaker 4 (06:21):
You know, we look at Microsoft, you know who who
roughly you know, doubled in in their value the share price,
you know, over the last you know, say, three three years.
If they were to fall back to those kind of
pre uh you know, a I boom prices, then I
would imagine they would be you know, they'd be completely stopping,

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you know, most of their investments into AI data centers.
Though though to a degree, we you know, we have
been told that a lot of these bigger players, have
you have reduced some of their their data center investments.
But yeah, certainly on the on the AI front, you
know that these investments do do do continue to a

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fair degree.

Speaker 2 (07:06):
Fascinating times, and I thank you so much. Paul Spain,
Gorilla Tech CEO. Is a little factoid around at the
moment that apparently one hundred billion dollars US has been
pumped into AI in the last three months, and that
alone is more than they ever put into the Manhattan Project.
Can you believe it? Text throu you can buy ramon
Temo for bargain prices, works perfectly. You get what you're

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paying for with tim don't we know that?

Speaker 3 (07:29):
Now?

Speaker 2 (07:29):
New Zealand currently five hundred and twenty three for seven
ration Revenger's got a half century fifty two. But Devon
Conway what a bat. So we're going to talk about
cricket Devon and of course the CEO, who's also out
in another way next here on News Talks HEREB. It's
four fifteen.

Speaker 1 (07:49):
It's the Heather Duper c Allen Drive Full Show podcast
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Speaker 2 (07:56):
The Talks B Andrews says a textas looking how much
electricity the data centers in Auckland use. Auckland averages a
usage of one point seven giga what will be over
to gigaw soon due to data centers. Huntley has four
generators at eight hundred megawatts each. So basically one of
the Huntley generators is just for data centers and that

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is true. I used Ali to check it.

Speaker 1 (08:21):
Sport with TB multis fast, easy and more codes are
eighteen bit responsibly.

Speaker 2 (08:26):
It's eighteen after four, so Pioneer joins me to talk sport.
Could they Parney Harlo Andrew Scott Weeningck resigns as New
Zealand Cricket CEO. So what's happened here? Or will we
never really know? Because all these administrators use corporate pr speak.

Speaker 7 (08:40):
Yeah, I think we can safely assume that there was
a disconnect between the CEO and what are trendily called
crickets stakeholders in this regard its the major associations, the
six major associations and the Players Association. It just felt
as though Scott wen Ink was battling with some pretty

(09:00):
major stakeholders in the New Zealand game and agreement couldn't
be reached.

Speaker 8 (09:05):
I know the.

Speaker 7 (09:07):
Proposal around n Z twenty has been used as perhaps
a bit of a lightning rod for discussion in this,
but I'm not sure that that was the truth and
the whole truth. I think there was a lot more
going on behind it, and it just made Scott Winnings
position as CEO untenable. So we're going to the new
year Andrew without anybody at the head of New Zealand Rugby,

(09:27):
New Zealand Cricket or New Zealand Netball. So I'm sure
there'll be a few people dusting off their cvs, or
there'll be a couple of people saying, well, I'm not
interested in those jobs because you know they're relentless. Twenty
four to seven and look what can happen.

Speaker 2 (09:40):
I think you want to call them a poison Chellis.

Speaker 7 (09:43):
I don't know that that's a bad term for it.
It just seems as though when anything goes if you're
running an NSO national sports organization, if anything goes wrong
from grassroots up to the elite team, it's your fault.
You know, the all Blacks loser's Mark Robinson's fault. If
junior numbers are down, it's his fault. If broadcast numbers
are down, number sending up to Superrabi, all stuff in between,
it's all his fault.

Speaker 9 (10:01):
Hood want that.

Speaker 2 (10:02):
Job, buck stops at the top, Yes, bring back Buck
now Stella innings from Devin Conway got a double century
two hundred and twenty seven. He was dismissed LBW. He
hit thirty one fours. I was so happy for him
because his form over the last couple of years has
not been great and hopefully this will be a return
of his mojo.

Speaker 8 (10:20):
Yeah.

Speaker 7 (10:21):
I think that's right. And he's you know, he as
you say, after bursting onto the scene with a double
hundred at Lord's in his first ever test, you know,
we expected big things and look he's got a pretty
decent record and joins a fairly exclusive club of New
Zealand batterers who have scored two or more double centuries.
I really thought, you know, Andrew at the start of
the day it was his chance to go really big

(10:42):
and I'm talking Brandon McCallum big here. You know, the
three hundred and two we got at the Basin in
February twenty fourteen wasn't to be. But yeah, great for him.
As you say, his mojo may well and truly be back.
I had some big Test series next year England India
and then the next summer of course away in Australia.
So let's hope the traject traject to is back on
the up for Devin Conway.

Speaker 2 (11:02):
So just quietly, should Chiefye, the manager of the Phoenix,
be brushing up his CV right now?

Speaker 7 (11:12):
I think if they were to lose on Sunday there
would be some really serious questions asked. If that does happen,
that would be two wins from nine this season, five
in the last thirty matches. It doesn't matter who you are, Andrew.
An elite sport, those numbers are going to put you
under pressure for your role. So let's hope that the
Phoenix turn on around and get it went on Sunday

(11:32):
and we go into the Christmas New Year period in
a much happier space. But yeah, I think the answer
to the question is if they were to lose on Sunday,
then then it would be a very very tough conversation
to be had between Chiefye and the club's owners.

Speaker 2 (11:46):
All right, mate, thank you so much, Jason Pine on
sport It as for twenty one. By the way, there's
been a big old rumor around the place that you
know that or a big push to take the sky
Stadium and stop it being an oval and actually knock
down some of the and turn it into a rectangular
twenty five to thirty thousand seater. What do you think
about that idea? Of course, Wellington has no money and

(12:08):
they might not be able to do that, but it
sounds like a really good idea. And these guys who
are pushing this rumor online have done renders of it
and showing us what it might look like. And the
best thing about it is the yellow seats have gone,
because those yellow seats are atrocious really. But you know,
there's an idea. It is four twenty two. It's news
Talks and don't you love it when a law actually

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gets enacted and then before you know it actually works.

Speaker 1 (12:32):
Details Next, digging deeper into the day's headlines, it's Andrew
Dickens on hither dupless Ellen Dry with one New Zealand
coverage Like no one else news talks.

Speaker 2 (12:44):
They'd be yes, the time's coming out four twenty five.
It's just the other day we were hearing about the
whole new police regime of drug driving testing. Just the
other day they put that through and we covered it.
And now they've got the first first cat and it's
a Willington guy tested positive for myth while driving with

(13:05):
his young daughter in a car. He's forty years old.
He was pulled into a checkpoint on Hot Road just
before nine pm on Thursday. They used a new device
at screens for cannabis, myth, MDA, ecstasy and cocaine. Test
came back positive for myth. Man was inna asked for
a blood sample. He then refused because he refused that

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he has now lost his driver's license for twenty eight days.
He's going to appear in the Hot Valley District Court
in January twenty twenty six, and the police then took
him and his daughter safely home in a police car.
This is a forty year old man with his daughter
in a car, nine pm on a Thursday night, driving
home off his face and he got caught. So good

(13:46):
on the law it actually worked. I know that there's
some people who like you know, the occasional joint etc.
And they know that the THC stays and they're fat
for like you know, twenty four hours or twelve hours,
twenty four hours and they might get tested, and so
they were against it. But I don't think anyone can
complain about this drug testing regime. If they catch a
forty year old man driving a young child home on

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a major and busy motorway at nine pm on a
Thursday night. I mean, that's a good result, isn't it.
And indeed the director of Rogue Policing, Superintendent Steve Greeley,
said that this whole thing is going to save countless lives.
And he also said one other thing, which was don't
take drugs and drive. Now we're off to the United

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States in a few hours time with Jonathan Kernsley and
we're going to talk about the Brown University shooting and
US cops have just found the body of the man
they think was the person who committed the Brown University shooting.

Speaker 10 (14:43):
That subject match the description of the person of interest.
At least police department was desperate to put handcuffs on
an individual was identified as claudial, nervous VOLENTI nadle birth
and he was a forty eight year old man.

Speaker 6 (15:05):
He was a Brown steward.

Speaker 10 (15:07):
He was a Portuguese national and his last name Norman Andrews.

Speaker 11 (15:11):
Was in Miami, Florida.

Speaker 2 (15:12):
And guess where they found him. They found his dead
body inside a storage unit. Sounds like a movie, a
very very bad movie, indeed. So we'll have more of
that on that with Jonathan Cursy in just a few
moments time. I wants to talk about the Epstein photos
that showed Bill Gates with young women. And TikTok has
signed a deal with a number of players, including one

(15:34):
player involved with New Zealand rugby. There's moments away.

Speaker 1 (15:42):
The day's newsmakers talked to Andrew first Andrew Dickens on
hither Duper Cy Ellen Drive with one New Zealand tenth
the Power of Satellite Mobile news talk sidy ss.

Speaker 2 (16:10):
Well the other day doing here. Addition, I got Ramageddon
when I heard last Christmas for the very first time,
and wouldn't you know it, I've come on to this
show and I've been snoopied. It's the first time I've
heard this song this whole Christmas season, and it's been
a blessed relief, a lovely song, a lovely song. But
God knows how long I played this song for. And
here it is again. It's Friday, and Christmas is until Thursday.

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But it seems as though the country has decided. Well
that's it. I have to say. The roads where I
am have been absolutely insane. How have they been for you?
And have you done all your Christmas shopping? You can
text me ninety two to ninety two. A small charge applies.
It is now twenty four to five.

Speaker 6 (16:51):
It's the world wires on news talks. It'd be drive.

Speaker 2 (16:56):
To you Ukraine first. And Zelenski has made another appeal
for Russia's frozen money. About four hundred and twenty seven
billion New Zealand dollars worth of europe based Russian assists
have been frozen, and Poland's Prime minister says Europe needs
to rise to the occasion.

Speaker 12 (17:11):
Now we have a simple choice, either money today.

Speaker 6 (17:16):
Or blood tomorrow.

Speaker 12 (17:19):
And I am not talking about Ukraine on I am
talking about Europe. I think all all European leaders have
to finally the east of this occasion, all.

Speaker 2 (17:31):
Right, maybe to Australia, where Anthony Alberzi, who by the way,
is just suffering all sorts after what happened in Bondai
and what he didn't do for two years beforehand. But
now Anthony Alberanesi has announced a national gun by backskime.

Speaker 13 (17:45):
The terrible events at Bondai. We need to get more
guns off our streets. There are now more than four
million firearms in Australia, more then at the time of
the Port Arthur massacre years ago.

Speaker 2 (18:01):
So he expects hundreds of thousands of guns to be
collected and destroyed. And I wonder if he's got to
Cinder d Dun's book saying they're right there telling him
what to do next. And finally, a British surfer is
hoping to make it into record books after catching a
monster wave in Portugal.

Speaker 14 (18:16):
Actually came off the wave and just burst straight into tears,
like really happy, overwhelmed. That moment of looking over my
shoulder on this wave was a big shock. I had
never seen a wave that big in my life.

Speaker 2 (18:31):
Have you ever seen those waves off Portugal that's by
the lighthouse?

Speaker 1 (18:34):
Is it?

Speaker 2 (18:34):
What is it called the Nazarre or something like that.
I mean, it's insanely an incessantly huge and these waves
are death defying. The Big Wave Challenge Group is assessing
if this particular wave beats the current record twenty two
point four meters is the biggest wave ever ridden by
a woman.

Speaker 1 (18:53):
An international correspondence with ins and Eye Insurance Peace of
Mind for New Zealand Business.

Speaker 2 (19:00):
After then out of States of America, and Jonathan Kurzley
joins me. Now, Jonathan, good morning, A good afternoon.

Speaker 3 (19:05):
Well and Andrew, a very good afternoon to you and
the listeners right across the network.

Speaker 2 (19:08):
Let's just say hello. Okay, the Brown University shooting suspect
has been found dead a grizzly end assorted end. It
was found dead in a storage unit.

Speaker 3 (19:19):
Yeah, this is breaking news. Within the last hour or so,
this has been a week long manhunt for authorities on
the eastern side of the United States after the shooting
in Providence that left a couple of people dead at
Brown University. Now we have had this development from authorities
within the last little while that's saying that yes, they
have found the person of interest dead inside a storage

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facility in Salem in New Hampshire. It is believed that
this person not only took their own life, but had
also been a PhD student at the very university back
and around the year two thousand and withdrew from a
program a few years later. Interestingly, it's also been reported
that he knew the building and had been inside the

(20:02):
building where the shooting had taken place. The shooting that
was targeted the building that was targeted just a matter
of a week or so ago, two students were left dead,
nine others were wornded. This suspect, who has been identified
as a Portuguese national who is forty eight years old,
Claudium Manuel Neves Valente, is also being linked to the

(20:23):
shooting of an MIT professor, and it's believed that they
actually were at the same university in Lisbon in Portugal
at some point. But this has brought to an end
what has been a week long manhunt and certainly a
significant period of concern for the community of Providence. The
authorities in Providence, who initially seemed to have no idea

(20:43):
who this suspect was. We kept getting images and more
video released, and then earlier today they said that they
had a suspect in mind, an identity in mind, but
did not release that identity. And then a few hours
later we had this news that yes, the suspect, the
pers of interest, has been found dead, reportedly from a

(21:04):
self inflicted gunshot wound inside a storage facility somewhere away
in New Hampshire.

Speaker 2 (21:09):
It was a hell of a manhunt. And when they
were releasing videos showing look at the way this man walks,
look at his distinctive and that was the only clues
they had to go on. I was not confident, you know.
It kind of reminded me of the Usual Suspects film,
But that's another story. Now we've got a new bunch
of Epstein photos that have been released. In these ones
show Bill gates with young women a young women who

(21:32):
have been involved in allegations with Epstein. Before Bill Gates.

Speaker 3 (21:37):
With Young Women, there's a reference to the novel Elitter
text written on the body of a young woman. There
are images of screenshots of text messages about a teenage
girl from Russia. There are yet more photos. This comes
interestingly from the Democrats on a House Oversight community year

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in Congress, and it comes a day before the deadline
for the Epstein files to be released. These photos are
some of a tranche of some ninety five thousand held
by the Epstein estate. It's been yet more photos, yet
more images. This has been a drip drip strategy from
the Democrats who have been blurring and disguising the identities

(22:20):
of some of the women involved as they try and
get to this point to pressure the Trump administration to
release these files. Now, tomorrow is going to be the
crucial day. Yes, these images are interesting from a news
perspective sense. Obviously the individuals involved have long and denied
any sort of wrongdoing with their relationship with Jeffrey Epstein.

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But tomorrow is going to be d day, if you like.
It is the moment of truth. It is the moment
that could we see exactly what is in all of
these files? What more are we likely to see released?
I think the next twenty four hours in this matter
are going to be very telling. If it is a
case of the same old, same old, if you like,
without using that phrase flippantly, because Jeffrey Epstein was a

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convicted pedophile, and clearly the Democrats have been moving in
circles trying to point the finger of blame at people
who he had been associated with. The next twenty four
hours are going to be very very telling, indeed, as.

Speaker 6 (23:19):
To where this story moves next.

Speaker 2 (23:23):
All right, and TikTok has signed a deal to sell
us who is I'm to a consortium led by Larry
Ellison and Oracle.

Speaker 11 (23:31):
TikTok.

Speaker 3 (23:32):
TikTok, the clock certainly has been ticking down for the
social media app. But yes, the company has signed a deal,
backed by President Trump, to spin off the US assets.
This will apply to TikTok in the United States of America,
will be sold off to largely a bunch of group
of American investors. This is exactly what the President had wanted.
This has been a very slow moving and long time

(23:55):
coming deal. The United States has been very very keen
to get che interest in the United States away from TikTok,
away from byte Dance, because there has been significant national
security concerns about the data that bite Dance could collect
of American citizens of individuals here and under Chinese law,

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they would be forced to share that with the Chinese
Communist Party government in Beijing, and that has been of
significant concern here. So essentially there's been a big move
to try and divest it, to try and get it
away from Chinese ownership. So what you're going to see
is American investors take over TikTok here in the United
States of America. Whether other countries are going to try
and follow suit with similar moves to try and get

(24:38):
TikTok divested in their own countries, well, that is a
matter for obviously to an individual country. But for those
TikTokers out there who are busy making all of their
fun social media videos for Christmas that are commanding it
with all the various filters and clips and different sing
songs you can do with the app, will then go
ahead because the app still exists. So the world is

(25:01):
your oyster. TikTokers. Keep doing what you're doing because the people,
well they'll still be watching.

Speaker 2 (25:06):
Good man Jonathan Kurzley out of the United States of America. Now,
this consortium that's actually bought the US arm of TikTok
is led by Oracle and Marry Ellison. We all know
him well from America's Cup. Another another group called MGX
and some other group called silver Lake. You never heard
of silver Lake before silver Lake. They're begin to tech.
They've got six point four billion dollars invested into data centers.

(25:29):
Is data centers again? Talking about data centers again? The
big holder of shares in AIRB and b oh, that's right.
And silver Lake also put two hundred million dollars into
the All Blacks and so now the investor in the
All Blacks is now the owner of TikTok. So you
can imagine all black TikTok's coming your way real soon.
What is coming your way real soon? Is Barry Soper

(25:51):
for the final time this year to look at politics
here on newstalks at b It is a quarter to.

Speaker 6 (25:55):
Five politics with centrics. Credit check your customers and get payments. Certady.

Speaker 2 (26:00):
It is twelve minutes to five. Barry Soper, Welcome to
the program.

Speaker 9 (26:03):
Good afternoon, Andrew.

Speaker 2 (26:04):
Nice to see you for the season. To see you
for the second time today because we all came in
for Simon Wilson's retirement speech, which was a very fine speech.
And his memory about journalism nearly goes back as far
as yours, not quite nearly.

Speaker 9 (26:19):
I don't remember him that as a student at Victoria University,
so nine and for years.

Speaker 2 (26:24):
Very good speech is very funny. Now, Parlon's youngest MP,
the infamous hacker, dancer and paper ripper, made some announcement
that she's going to make an announcement on White Tongey.

Speaker 9 (26:35):
Yeah, Hannah Raffiti MP Clark she sees and she's sort
of teasing us, I think because I'd like to know
what the announcement could possibly be. She told her Instagram followers,
all two hundred and seventy one thousand of them, that
there will be some sort of collaboration between herself and

(26:55):
the Green MP for Wellington Central, Tamotha Paul So and
it's going to be announced on White Tonguey Day. But
what on earth could they be doing? I mean, could
it be that the Maldi Party are going to lose
another MP?

Speaker 2 (27:12):
I mean, you know, could she be forming Tiputti Jr.

Speaker 9 (27:15):
Well, who knows, you know, New Labor, new Maldi Party,
I mean new Greens. But she's saying that, you know,
we'll certainly be doing something together. And they did something
together earlier this week when the electoral Amendment bill came up,
that's the one denying voting to people on the day

(27:37):
and denying prisoners voting, and she said they delayed it
until tag teammed and delayed it until nine thirty pm,
So they've worked together. But that's just filibustering. So that's
a great claim to fame on this one. And you
know who knows what White.

Speaker 2 (27:57):
Tonguey Day Februy six, White Tonguy Day. By the way,
those two hundred and seventy one thousand followers most actually
overseas because she's the biggest star overseason. She is here.
I would have to say, well because of the video
ripping up the legislation, which is which is a great
piece of video. And by the way, you don't say
collaboration when you're talking about twenty one year old you
say co lab. They pronounced a your co lab between

(28:18):
Tabitha Helen Go. Yeah, exactly, I.

Speaker 9 (28:20):
Didn't do that Muldoon's day.

Speaker 2 (28:23):
And while all of that is happening, the Maori Parties
lawyer is going to stand for the Greens. Yeah that's Swatzias.

Speaker 9 (28:28):
Well who knows you know that? I'm told she's a
well known treaty activist. Tanya Waikato I hadn't heard of
her before.

Speaker 8 (28:37):
But nevertheless, she was the the Maldi party's lawyer, and
they say she's a seasoned litigator familiar pace after protesting
several government policies, and the Treaty Principal's Bill.

Speaker 9 (28:54):
Was absolutely one of them. She said, she again a
bit of a secret announcing her intention, probably until around
February next year. Well, who knows. I might be Clark
and Tamotha Paul and this one could have something in
common and something Winter Peters.

Speaker 2 (29:14):
Okay, he's doing his end of year interviews with everybody.
He's going to be on with me during the summer
breakfast after the new year, and this morning's revelation is
a tease on which party he could coalesce with after
the election, which would be would never be lam Mart
because he never tells you who he's going.

Speaker 9 (29:31):
Well, no, he doesn't. And what he said to the
interviewer on this occasion was that, look, he'll be putting
it to bed if you like, before Christmas. Well that's
next week, so it's over the next few days. I
try to get in contact with him today to ask
him has he changed his mind? Could he go with
Labor when Chris Hopkins as the leader of Labor because

(29:53):
he's always said he won't go with labor. Whilst Chris
Hopkins is the leader, well not about to replace hipcens
it's given their polling before the next election, so who
knows what he's.

Speaker 8 (30:04):
Going to announce.

Speaker 9 (30:05):
And I'm sorry here, I am it's a mystery round
this whole text today, your whole whole report has been
one big mystery, big one big tease.

Speaker 2 (30:14):
It could be that it's the end of the year,
and of course this is the last time you do
with us except for at six when you're going to
you're going to look back on the whole year. Then, yeah,
we're going to look back at the whole year between six.
So I shall probably say goodbye to you then. But
for those people listening now, thank you for everything that
you do and how you come in here and how
you do the research and what you've said. And I
wish that you and Heather and the two kids just

(30:36):
the best of Christmas times, including with the mother in
law because I know that she's inseparable. And yeah, thank
you so much. Merry Christmas.

Speaker 9 (30:46):
My absolutely rare art of privilege and pleasure.

Speaker 11 (30:49):
Andrew.

Speaker 2 (30:51):
It is now not four p fifty three news Talks
here b yeah, news talks here. Be sorry. I'm sorry
I came in a little bit late, but I was
waiting for Barry to stop talking. Yeah, he says next
year is going to be a better year. But I
mean as it. I know, we're going to Australia over
the next little twenty minute period and we're going to
talk about how they stopped a group of seven guys

(31:13):
who were heading towards New South Wales out of Victoria.
They were worried that they were Islamic extremists. They were
worried about what they might do, and so they managed
to detain them and that was under sort of anti
terrorism laws. Though time passed and they had to release them,
and they had to release them because to that point
they had done nothing bad. There was no ability to

(31:36):
prove the intention of what they might be doing. They
hadn't done anything bad. And I did talk to a
security expert earlier this week on early edition, and I said,
one of the difficulties and actually, you know, stopping this
nipping this stuff as bad guys have got to do
something bad before you can actually stop them. And you
can't stop bad guys if you just think that bad
guys are going to do bad stuff, and that is

(31:56):
one of the and the person I was talking to said,
and that is one of the strengths and also the
weaknesses of living in a democracy that you can't have
police forces going around stopping people willingly because they think, oh,
he might do something bad, even though these people have
never done anything bad before in their life. So but anyway,
it shows that the tension is still up there and

(32:17):
if it was true in this Band to seven, we're
heading towards Victoria to carry on whatever they wanted to
do in terms of striking against Jews, in terms of
perpetuating the anti Semitism. You know that the tension is
still very strong in Australia. So we'll go to Australia shortly.
And yes, we are going to have an Elvison persontor

(32:37):
on the show, because every show at Christmas time needs
an Elvis impersonator. And apparently he's very good, and he's
going to find out just how good he is because
he's entering a competition and that competition might mean that
he might get all the way to being the best
in the world. So an Elvis impersonator haha, thank you
very much. Coming up at five point fifteen. I've got more.

(32:58):
I've got more. As you wait, I got more.

Speaker 6 (33:02):
Kids you make it be Chrisbees.

Speaker 15 (33:16):
To mabout Christmas, the only drive show you can try
to ask the questions just.

Speaker 1 (33:30):
To get the answers, find the facts and give the analysis.
Andrew Dickens on hither duplicy Allen Drive with one New
Zealand and the power of satellite mobile news talks it
be set them outter five.

Speaker 2 (33:43):
Welcome to the program. Elvis is in the house on
a Friday before Christmas. But first, Kiwi Bank has announced
its five hundred million dollar capital rays is off. The
bank's been talking to investors since the government gave it
the green light to raise money to make the bank
more competitive, and that was all go. But then earlier
this week the Reserve Bank announce the banks will need

(34:03):
to hold less capital for a worse case scenario. So
well of a sudden two days later, we find out
that the five hundred million dollar capital raises off. So
joining us now is Steve Jakovic, who is Kiwibank's chief executive.
Afternoon to you, Steve, good afternoon, So why have you
decided you now don't need to raise this new capital.

Speaker 16 (34:24):
Well, I mean, the work that we've done over the
last twelve months or so has really been about just
making sure that we had all our options open, that
Kiwi Bank would never have to slow its growth and
so will has been a lot of consultation and a
lot of work done about the capital rules. We didn't
really know how that was going to play out until
literally this week. So one of the things a bank
has to do is make sure it's got its options open,

(34:45):
and so one of the options that the government was
happy with was that we sought external investment and so
we you know, you need to kick that process off,
and that's not a you know, that's not a trivial process.
It takes a bit of time. But ultimately, by the
time we got to the Reserve Bank announcements, it seemed
pretty clear that the best option was going to be
following the capital rules and that actually we were going
to have plenty of horsepower for the future.

Speaker 2 (35:06):
Okay, the Reserve Bank under announced those rules two days ago.
So was so you made the decision very quickly. Was
the capital raise dead in the water before them?

Speaker 6 (35:16):
No, it wasn't.

Speaker 16 (35:17):
It was still ongoing, but it was it was becoming
apparent that it was going to be quite tricky. And
also the closer and closer we got to seeing what
was proposed, because remember, while the final decision was made
this week months ago, it was signaled what it was
likely to be about, and so we had a very
high level of confidence that, you know, some of the
changes that we were signaled were going to happen, and
so the amount of capital we have to hold for

(35:38):
particular assets and risk was going to drop materially. Now,
as it turned out this week it actually went down
further than we had anticipated. We also went out and
raised four hundred million dollars worth of capital from investors,
and we were really oversubscribed at that on a good price.
And so both those factors meant that by the time
we got to today and yesterday, it was time to actually,

(36:00):
you know, agree that the best course of action was
to stop the offer.

Speaker 2 (36:04):
So the four hundred million you did actually get, or
not actually get, but you know, got some advice that
will be taken. Did that show to you that investors working.

Speaker 16 (36:15):
Yeah, well, I mean, as I can say, the four
hundred million dollar offer, I mean, we originally said that
we'd raise sort of two hundred plus what's called over subscriptions.
We end up raising four hundred at some of the
best pricing that you know, we've seen in a long time.
So that gave us confidence that you know, external professional
investors were very interested, remembering that the offer that we

(36:35):
had the other way Andrew was in fact, you know,
that was selling shares, not issuing debt.

Speaker 6 (36:40):
And they're quite different, all right.

Speaker 2 (36:41):
Nikola Willis sold a capital raise is the answer to
the pillow fight between the big four banks. Did she
over egg that idea?

Speaker 17 (36:49):
No?

Speaker 5 (36:49):
I don't think so.

Speaker 16 (36:50):
I mean it was very clear that the Commerce Commission,
Nicola is, the Minister of Finance and others see that
the best way to try and disrupt you know, a
billion or twollion dollars worth of profit going across the
Tasman each year is about making sure that we've got
a competitive market in kievments the best option for that.

Speaker 2 (37:08):
So earlier this week Anna Bremam, who is the new
Reserve Bank Governor, told the market, which was quite surprising
in itself, in an unscheduled announcement, that it had over
reacted with their rates in response to what the RB
felt about the future and where our rates are going
to change. What are you doing with your rates?

Speaker 16 (37:29):
Yes, so we will be signaling that, like many others,
those wholesale rates going up means that we are going
to have to push up blending rates and turn deposit rates.
So we're announced, we've announced that we're making a change
from today. So, I mean, what happened in what she
was really trying to do? And I think this was
you know, this was really refreshing that she did this,
which was the previously communicated information was that this was

(37:51):
the last of the cuts. What happens when people hear that,
they go, oh, that means the only way is up,
and that meant that rates rally really fast because as
everyone knows, there's no downside, there's only upside to the rates.
That's very unconventional just to say that. And so I
think the new Reserve Bank governor coming out and saying, hey, look,
this economy is still pretty fragile. This dog could be

(38:12):
more cuts or maybe one just means that, you know,
the market then has to think about hold on, is
it going to be another cut? All the next one?
Beer a right?

Speaker 2 (38:20):
See if Yukovic chiev excative of keeping bank thanking for
joining me and marry Christmas twelve minutes half to five,
So New South Wales police are set to release a
group of seven men that were arrested last night in
relation to the Bondai shootings. Police initially thought that the
men had radical Islamist ideologies. It might have been headed
for Bondai or somewhere else in Victoria, but police now

(38:42):
say they have no more reason to keep the men detained.
Charles Croutcher is Channel nine's chief political reporter and joins
me now after Nintia Charles, good afternoon, what's going on
with these guys.

Speaker 6 (38:54):
Yeah, it's still unclear.

Speaker 11 (38:56):
I mean, there was a was a big response yesterday
in Little Pool, which is a suburb of sort of
southwestern Sydney. A lot of police, tactically armed police that
arrest of these guys in a car and sort of
had them parater on the side of the road, and
that it's an unusual amount of force for an arrest
and unusual to do something while they're still in a car.

(39:17):
So I think it's natural that the first assumption was
that this went somewhere in relation to Dubondi. Obviously, the
nation is still pretty fragile and vulnerable. To or worried
about what comes next. That was the first thought. Now,
if there were stronger connections, I don't think they'd be released,

(39:39):
So we still have to wait and see what the
connection is. The one of the men believed to be
responsible certainly appear to be responsible for the shooting on Sunday,
has come out of a coma. He's been charged bedside,
so there is the opportunity to get more information from
him as he recovers from his injuries they sustained during

(40:00):
what police will say the alleged attack. I think we
can probably say the attack and that will help with
some other things that go into the investigation.

Speaker 2 (40:08):
I presume the seven were released into New South wayes
into Victoria, where they came from, and not into New
South Wales, where the police thought they might were heading
to cause some trouble and mischief.

Speaker 11 (40:19):
I don't think that would be the case. I assume
that be released to where their car isn't back and
you've either charge them or it would be odd to
take their car back to another state. Given Really, I mean,
if if there, if they're hell bent on committing the crime,
they're seven hours away, well, I think.

Speaker 2 (40:37):
Or seven will find that I think all seven will
find they've got a cop right behind them for the
next week anyway, if not more, I would think so okay,
So New South Wales is going to pass a law
on Monday that will give the police commissioner the right
to ban big public protests. How much controversy around that, well, not.

Speaker 11 (40:54):
A lot at the moment. This is one of those
an odd position that the nation is in, given how
much pain was inflected on Sunday. The big test will
come when the first big protest is petitioned for and rejected,
And then what do people do you know? I could
almost bet your bottom dollar it will be some form
of pro Palestinian anti Israeli government protests like we have

(41:20):
seen repeatedly since the atrocities of October seven, and that
will further strain the community and the sentiments. You know,
you would hope, given the circumstances, that cooler heads would prevail,
and you know, perhaps those protests could be put off
for a little while. I don't think that will happen though,

(41:42):
And so that then becomes a test of the commission
of the new rules and just the legality of it all,
because these will be laws that have been rushed and
laws that will be tested in many different ways unfortunately,
I think in the coming weeks.

Speaker 2 (41:59):
And narrowly difficult wars to write. So there's going to
be a lot of mistakes as well as maybe some successes. Finally,
Anthony Alberesi, as part of stage two of following the
justinder a Duram plan on how to react to such
a thing, has announced to a gun buyback plan earlier today.
So what guns will they have to give back? And

(42:19):
will this give back mister Alberanzi any respect, well, I.

Speaker 11 (42:23):
Mean respect is still wait and see how that plays out.
That's a really it's a fascinating scenario at the moment
because this is unlike I think from what I saw
from Afar, what happened after christ Church, and unlike what's
happened after any real tragedy here in Australia that there
has been sort of almost an instant politicization of the events.

(42:44):
So the austrain governments operating with the buyback, they are
going to restrict the number of guns that people are
able to own legally, as well as more fervent and
more regular checks on people with licenses. But there was
also a whole suite of changes announced to speech, preach
and hate laws yesterday that will change and add lists

(43:06):
of people that preach hate and increase some of the
fines and potential migration implications of that too. So it'll
be easier for the Home Affairs Minister to kick people
out of the country or reject visas on those grounds
as well. So look, I mean the gun law difference
is sort of I think tinkering around the edges on

(43:28):
what is a big problem. But no doubt those changes
will will go through the Parliament and will be necessary
at some stage, But there are bigger forces that play here, unfortunately,
and I think that's where the focus will be.

Speaker 2 (43:41):
All right, Charles, Well, thank you for your time. And
that is Charles crouched. This is news Talk said be
We're about to have an Elvis on stage in your
car and your living room or wherever on this last
Friday of the week before Christmas. And there is a
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co dot nz. Andrew Dickens, why are you talking to
an Elvison personator on the premiere Current Affairs program in
the afternoon in New Zealand. Well, it's because there's a

(45:05):
competition underway to find the best Elvis impersonator worldwide and
now twenty one professional Elvis's from Australia, New Zealand and
Japan will battle it out over four days in early January,
and the best of them will go on to compete
in the final round in Memphis in the States, and
then the world is your oyster key we Elvis impersonator
Trevor Needham is going to be trying to win the

(45:28):
title and joins me.

Speaker 5 (45:28):
Now, Hello Trevor, Hello Andrew. How you doing mate?

Speaker 2 (45:33):
I thought you'd have a deeper voice and sound more
elvisly somehow.

Speaker 5 (45:37):
I've just finished a show, so maybe I can put
it on whenever I need to.

Speaker 2 (45:40):
Oh, I see. So you have to get down into
that lower register. You have to just think low and
slow and get down all the.

Speaker 17 (45:47):
Way down there.

Speaker 5 (45:48):
That's right, Get down and dirt.

Speaker 2 (45:49):
Down, Get down. How did you end out on this trade?

Speaker 5 (45:53):
Well, I've been playing professionally for well, semi professionally since
ninety ninety seven. And a bar that we play down
in Towering A here called jack Dusty's and up We
play there Sundays once a month and a guy comes
out of the crowd and just we didn't really know
it wasn't. A local gave me a pair of gold
Elvis sunglasses and said put these on. You look like Elvis,

(46:14):
and I'm like, well, nobody looks that good, but I'll
try it, you know. So that was in twenty nineteen,
just before COVID.

Speaker 2 (46:21):
And Lo and Behold eighteen You must you must have
sounded pretty good. And now you've carried on and now
you're professional as well. Which Elvis do you look like?
Fat Elvis or skinny Elvis?

Speaker 5 (46:32):
Well I do, I do seventy four to seventy seven
when he passed away, So I'm in this mid to
later area sort of that when he was in his forties,
early forties, thirty nine to forty Yeah.

Speaker 2 (46:43):
Yeah, you're easing the big sandwiches in the jungle room.
So look, how do you run an Elvis impersonate a competition?
Do you get one song? Do you all sing the
same song?

Speaker 5 (46:52):
Do you okay?

Speaker 8 (46:53):
No?

Speaker 5 (46:53):
It works like this. So what happens is there's a
there's an Elvis Prisonly authorized Elvis Prisonly Enterprise authorized band
in Australia. They're based in Adelaide and they tour and
just do Elvis presley mainly Elvis Presley competitions, and they're very,
very good. And so what you do is you submit
twelve songs, four songs for each round. There's the heats,

(47:16):
the semi finals when they go down from twenty one
to eight, and then they pick eight and then they
pick five and then that goes to the final. And
you've got to put in twelve songs. They can all
be they're all different songs and different genres. And you've
got to dress. You've got to wear the right costume
and the right ring and on the right finger, and
you know all of that.

Speaker 2 (47:33):
You've got to go the whole nine. Yeah, I totally
get this. So you're entering, So what do you reckon?
Your chances are? Are you confident? Are you nervous?

Speaker 17 (47:40):
Are you?

Speaker 2 (47:41):
Are you all shook up?

Speaker 5 (47:43):
All shook up?

Speaker 6 (47:44):
All right?

Speaker 5 (47:45):
It's been a long time coming for me. I've applied
three times before and been successful this time so and
unfortunately for me, it's one of the toughest years to
try and qualify. But for me personally, if I was
to go through to the top ten or the top
eight from the first round, I'd be over the moon
because those guys are very good.

Speaker 2 (48:03):
Very good, well look, we wish you all the best
of luck. Thank you, thank you very much, Thank you
very much. Can you do that for me?

Speaker 5 (48:10):
Thank you, thank you very much, Thank you baby, thank
you very much.

Speaker 2 (48:13):
There we go. Okay, time for a little less conversation,
a bit more action. I got to go, got to
play some ads and you've got to go rehearse. Thank
you for your time.

Speaker 1 (48:20):
The name you trust to get the answers you need,
it's Andrew dickens on hither dupless. They ellen drive with
one New Zealand coverage like no one else use talks.

Speaker 2 (48:30):
They'd be sports huddles on the way. So we'll get
a little bit looser, even more looser. We just had
an Elvis impersonator on. That's pretty loose for a Friday text.
He from re saying, Andrew covering anything on Willy Jackson
this afternoon, asking for a friend, and I thank you.
Recall I did cover the Willy Jackson and the Medico
Urban Mary Authority thing a little earlier this week, and

(48:54):
I said it's a very difficult thing because of legal aspects,
which is what has slowed down the story. Either from
Tobah O'Brien, and now we see that Audrey Young has
put out a story. It's been legally checked and you
can if you want to know the story, and you
don't know the story, well it's all there in black
and white with Audrey Young. Now, as heither said this morning,
it's a difficult story to actually comprehend. It's a falling

(49:16):
out between Willie Jackson and Matt mccarton. But here's the thing.
Why is it important? And people have struggled with that,
and the reason it is important is the Monico Urban
Malady Authority has received money from the taxpayers, much like
the Wiperira Trust and other trust all around New Zealand,
including one in Wellington, they have received money. So this
is the concern. So the story is developing and don't

(49:38):
you worry about it, and we are covering it, and
if you want to know more about it, Audrey has
written about it and she's done it the proper way,
and she's done it in a way that the story
will get out fully and not harshly. So there we go,
Sports Tunnel on the way, my Christmas shopping on the
way and more. You're on new storyb.

Speaker 17 (50:04):
You brother, you do your.

Speaker 6 (50:17):
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Speaker 1 (50:19):
And in your car on your drive home, it's Andrew
Dickens on Hither duplicy Ellen drive with one New Zealand
and the power of satellite mobile news talks that'd.

Speaker 17 (50:28):
Be on the streets is coming and Braindy is dying
through this castle.

Speaker 6 (50:33):
I should been making a listen Anna a little missuser.

Speaker 2 (50:42):
There is Justin Bieber simpering his way through a Christmas
carol talking about flying reindeers. Jay's Christmas, isn't it? And
the time is now five thirty seven, so it's there
to say we're off, aren't we?

Speaker 6 (50:52):
Well?

Speaker 2 (50:52):
On holiday? It seems like everybody's sneaking off. I can
tell you today on Christmas News, I bought the last
of my Christmas pre I can report that the environment
was hectic. There were cars every which way battling for parks,
and as we've heard this year, the car park battles
have been insane. People lying down in car parks, people
doing everything, fights everything. One in seven motorists reporting that

(51:15):
there's been argie bargie in the shopping mall car park.
And then if the cars weren't actually battling for the
parks and the malls, they were heading for the roads
to get out of town, so tonight might be a
bit full on on our roads. A whole lot of
frantic activity, I thought to myself. And I'm still working
all the way till seven o'clock tonight. But the frantic
activity is a good thing, don't you think, because we're

(51:37):
all hoping for a return of retail confidence and maybe
this might be the best Christmas for the past a
little while setting up a good year. We have to hope.
So now here's the thing though, Now that I bought
all the presents, I have to smuggle them into the
house and I hate that. It is always stressful trying
to smuggle presents into a house without people seeing, making
the dash from the car hoping not to be seen.

(51:58):
You've got the presence behind your back. You then have
to get in through the front door, hope nobody sees
you then, and then get the presence hidden in your
favorite place, which I did earlier this week as well
with the first trunch of presents. And then there was
even more stress because the other day I caught my
life partner, her name by the way is Helen. Helen
was vacuuming under the spare bed. I mean, don't do
that woman, No, do not do that. Stop that you

(52:20):
may see something you won't want to see, which only
made her more keen to see. And still it come
as the mad rush to then wrap the presence. You
wrap the presence when you get some time alone. It's
never when you want it to be. You're never ready
to wrap the presence. But suddenly everybody's out of the
house to go quick. It's time to wrap the presence.
And I don't know about you, but I am the
world's worst rapper. And this involves an awful lot of swearing,

(52:43):
an awful lot of sellotape and wrapping paper. It's not pleasant. However,
we can safely say now the primary preparations are over all.
We have to worry about my household is the food
prep for the twenty five people who are coming to
our place on Christmas Day. And I just want to say,
at this moment, Merry Christmas, New Zealand.

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So I think you must be feeling it all right.

Speaker 2 (53:51):
Welcome to the sports huddle for this Friday, and on
our huddle Clay Wilson News Talks B Sports News Directum
after Lintia Clay and also and Andrew. Also Nick Beuley,
Newstalks A B. Cannibary Sports reader Nick Buley, good afternoon
to you, Good afternoon, s Andrew. Gentlemen, Scott Wennik resigns

(54:12):
a head of New Zealand cricket. Is this the right
move for cricket?

Speaker 18 (54:15):
Clay, Well, I'll tell you what first thing is, if
you're a CEO of a sporting body in this country
at the moment, you're kind of looking over your shoulder
as you move into the new year somewhat. But I
think when you read and look into everything that's gone
into his resignation, you know this has been brewing for
some times. Obviously been a lot of discussion recently about

(54:37):
the twenty twenty future, the future of twenty twenty in
this country, and a lot I know this is kind
of brought it to a head, but I think the
kind of underlying perhaps mistrust is a good word from
the other key stakeholders in cricket in this country, which
of course the major associations and the Players Association have
a big role to play. He is clearly just a

(54:57):
lack of trust about in scot when going forward, and
ultimately that's you know, if you don't have your two
major stakeholders, don't trust your CEO, that's not going to
bode well going forward for the game at all.

Speaker 2 (55:08):
Is this tough though for a sports administrator, especially to
sport like cricket neck because you know, you've got your clubs,
you've got your schools, you've got your clubs, then you
go to your regions, you know, and then you get
to the national team, and then you've got all the
international stuff as well. There are so many layers of stakeholders.

Speaker 17 (55:25):
Certainly are yeah, and then you've got a landscape where
in terms of international cricket, where You've got the big
three in England, India, Australia and they really do what
they like. Broadly speaking, it is a really tricky one
and that's not an isolated issue to cricket in terms
of balancing up the issues of the amateur game versus
the professional game. I do feel a little bit of

(55:47):
Scott Wennick. You know, this is a guy who's a
cricket man through and through, has come from a first
class cricket background as a player himself, He's worked his
way up the ladder in the corporate world and this
would have been something of a dream of him. I
would have thought, coming in for David White, who was
in the position for well over a decade. But as
Clay sorul have alluded to, there, if you aren't sort

(56:09):
of on the same ship as your six major associations
around the country and probably the players Association is a
big one. And I mean we could talk about players
associations for well beyond this the Lord's Hudle alone. But
the power that a players association wields in this day
and age is significant, and if you can't get on

(56:32):
board or can't massage that relationship somehow, it is increasingly tricky,
as I say, in this day and age, as we
enter twenty twenty six to move anything forward. So as
I say, feel a little bit for Scott Weening, but
it's sort of he's probably done the right thing and
looking at his statement here, you've got to respect that

(56:54):
he's seen the bigger picture and understood that best for
crickets for him to step out of the way.

Speaker 2 (57:00):
Okay, are you seeing it awful lot more than i?
Clay Wilson, Can I ask you as news talk to
be sport news director the big teams in the sports department,
Are we in the public and media owned an explanation
about what's going on? Because it's very hard to figure
out what's going on.

Speaker 18 (57:15):
I think I think to a degree we are. You know,
you have to look at these organizations. These are these
are big sports, and you know sports that also received,
especially in netball's case, quite a lot of government funding,
public money, but also just the big sports in this country.
There's a lot of people that participate, volunteer, play a

(57:35):
part in this. And you know, you only have to
go on to any number of social media posts about
these things and you can pick up a public sentiment
of people wanting answers, and you know, the Netball case
particularly has been something where the lack of information and
you know, perhaps some people feeling informations being withheld where
it's not necessary has really frustrated and angered people. And

(57:58):
I think it's it's perhaps in some ways led to,
especially in the netball case, you know, Jenny Wiley, and
the pressure that's built on the eventual resignation, because because
the public becomes the public, one answers the public one
at least the drop of information, and when when there's
nothing coming through, and while there's a delicate situation, sometimes
you know, not all information can be presented, and that

(58:21):
be fair on all the parties. Just the complete lack
of any kind of information frustrates people, and once you start,
once you start losing the public, it becomes very hard
to pull that back.

Speaker 17 (58:35):
Just gentlemen, I mean, I mean the dressing up with
some PR statements to suggest that Scott Wen's just been
on holiday with his kids just because the school holidays
started a couple of weeks ago.

Speaker 1 (58:45):
It's just lenacy.

Speaker 17 (58:46):
So I like, I just need to call that out now,
Like we're none of our listeners here on news Storks
the'd be no, that's the case, Like we just need
to be mature about these things. And I think the public,
as Clay says there, I just owed a little bit
of trans is he can't go into all the nitty
gritty of mediation, but just say he's having mediation like
it happens.

Speaker 2 (59:06):
All right, Nick, and I thank you you know what.
Of course, the name Jenny Wiley came up and I
was going to ask you, both of you, gentlemen, exactly
the same question I asked about Scott Winnick. Jenny Wiley
resigns as it's the right move for netball. Are we
in the public and media oded explanation about what's going on?
I'd say the answer is probably yes. It is now
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Speaker 2 (59:33):
And on the HDD of Clay Wills to the Nick Burley. Now, gentlemen,
we've got the Phoenix playing the Mariners, and if they lose,
is Chiefy gone? I mean, how much trouble is Chiefy?
And certainly I would say he'd be very very close
because the records over the last thirty game is not
good and I'll go to clayfirst.

Speaker 18 (59:52):
Yeah, I mean, I think this is the first time
we've really seen John call I'll Tellian to come under
a fire. Of course, the season before last, before Aukland
the ce into the competition, the Phoenix had a great
season and you know, everything was was rosy. Although they
didn't go on to win the title, one of the
better seasons for a long time. Aukland have come into
the competition. The Phoenix, you know, really fall off, the

(01:00:16):
fall off the mantle a bit last year and that's
continued into this year. And I think you know, he came,
He's come out during the week saying he doesn't feel
under pressure. He feels like it's still retrievable. But once
a coach is starting to talk about that, you know
there there is certainly, you know, the pressure. The pressure
is palpable for someone like now, are they still in
the mix and theory? Yes, but the way the team's

(01:00:38):
been playing and the signs that they've been showing, well
the lack of perhaps doesn't look like there's a lot there.
Now will the will the Phoenix show some some faith
in him, perhaps, but one of the other options out
there for them I guess is perhaps none of the
question as well, but there's certainly, you know, football, like
no other sport, does the pressure come on a coach

(01:01:00):
or manager. You don't have to look across now this
is in Europe and England, but I think in football
that's always the case. The manager is the first hit
on the block.

Speaker 2 (01:01:09):
I think if there's in a bigger league elsewhere, he'd
be gone already. That's my own personal opinion. So here's
the thing, Nick Billy. Is Chiefy the problem or is
the problem? They're young players, many of whom have come
straight from the academy, and they've been very proud of
the fact that they've homegrown and they've got these young players.

Speaker 14 (01:01:27):
Is it?

Speaker 2 (01:01:28):
Is it chief or is it the players?

Speaker 17 (01:01:33):
Yes, it's a tricky question and it's probably had to
sort of a portion blame across the speech um and
you know, like in any high performance sport, just you know,
following the Phoenix. Over the last few weeks as well,
they've had their injury concerns. I know they've had suspensions
that that hasn't helped their case either. I just think
there's there's heightened awareness of their plight because of how

(01:01:53):
poorly they're going in the Derby since Auckland C. I
honestly don't think on a national radio station right now
where we talk about the Wellington Phoenix so much if
it wasn't for the fact that they haven't been, you know,
near Auckland f C and the and the Derby so
far since Aukland f c's introduction. So it's a it's
a tricky spot for Jean Callo Italiana to be in.
But look, they're on the eight games in the season

(01:02:16):
as well, so I think you'll be given a little
bit of rope.

Speaker 2 (01:02:19):
Okay, football is an easy game. You just have to win,
and Auckland FC is only one team and there seems
to be a lot of others that seem to be
able to beat the Phoenix. I reckon they lose heart,
their heads go down far too quickly that I watched
the last game, they were great, but then as soon
as the tide turned they were not so much. Wouldnety
Hanson is the new Black Ferns coach and she of

(01:02:40):
course is the daughter of Scott who used to be
the Steve sorry Steve, who used to be the excuse me,
who used to be the all backs coach. She's good,
isn't she Clay?

Speaker 18 (01:02:53):
Yeah, And I think the thing with someone like Wendy
Henson is she's you know that they had an opportunity,
perhaps earlier on, to push her into this role sooner,
but she's really, at least from what I've what I've witnessed,
she's she's done a proper apprenticeship here and she's gone
and got experience as an assistant coach, not just within

(01:03:14):
the Black Ferns but elsewhere. She's moved into the superagio
opicky space as well. And obviously with Alan Bunting stepping down,
she seems like one of the you know, the strongest candidates.
And Nick will have a bit more intel on this,
obviously being from down based in that part of the country,
but it just appears like she she has really done

(01:03:35):
her time and learned her trade. Now, of course, the
proof will be in the pudding. This Black Ferns team
had its struggles and you know, of course at the
World Cup didn't care on past those semi finals. But
you know, she certainly hasn't been rushed into this role
as soon as she could have. So let's see if
that that kind of apprenticeship she's done will payoffs.

Speaker 2 (01:03:53):
She's worked long and hard and actually produced the results
and she is very good at it though, Nick, you've
got to say and tell us about her. But also
it is good that the Black Friend's coach is a woman.

Speaker 17 (01:04:04):
Yeah, no, I agree, I think you know, I mean
an inline at work. You don't want to pick someone
based on their gender or diversity, but this is a
case where this is someone very deserving of it. As
Clay's mentioned, who's done the time. When the job came
up last time around, her name was sort of banded around,
having been an assistant coach when the Black Frians won
the World Cup under Wayne Smith. She found at the

(01:04:26):
time she wasn't ready to be a head coach down
here in Canterbury Country. With Muttative and the Super Rugby Opicky,
she's very much led the program not only as a
head coach on the grass but basically under the title
of head of rugby. So it's stood up a lot
behind the scenes in terms of sort of setting up
the foundations, the culture, everything you need to have a

(01:04:47):
successful high performance environment. So I think it's a very
smart appointment and it says a lot actually too, Gents
that Tony Christie, who was another name sort of banded
about as a current assistant coach, is actually staying on
as an assistant coach to work with Hanson. So look,
I'm really excited for the future of the Black fans
Underwhtney Hanson. I think it's a really really good appointment.

Speaker 2 (01:05:05):
Good stuff, gentlemen. I thank you. That is Nick Bewley
out of Canterbury at of course Clay Wilson, Big Boss Boy,
out of Auckland. And it is now six to six.

Speaker 1 (01:05:15):
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Speaker 2 (01:05:23):
News Talk zeb B. Meanwhile, in the cricket, the Western
Indies are seventy two without loss. Of course they're chasing
five hundred and sixty eight after the black Caps declared
and that sell seventy six for no loss. I have
a funny thing. This Bay over wicket is getting a
bit benign and this could be a long and boring test,

(01:05:45):
but we'll wait to see about that.

Speaker 8 (01:05:46):
Now.

Speaker 2 (01:05:47):
On the way, we're going to talk about lawyers and
lawyers are going on strike and normally people go, what,
we don't care, what are lawyer's going on strike for
but these are important boys. These are the duty lawyers.
So if you get if you get in trouble and
you end out before the beak and you don't have money,
you can't actually you know, phone your local King's counsel
or your local barrister who may charge you five, six, seven, eight,

(01:06:11):
sometimes one thousand, sometimes more an hour. You have to
rely on the duty lawyers. And they are the ones
who represent anyone appearing in court who cannot afford legal representation.
And they haven't had a pay rise in what appears
to be decades, and they've had enough and they're not
going to take it anymore, and they're going to go
on strike. So we'll talk to Dennis Ansley, who is
a duty lawyer, about just how underpaid he is. And

(01:06:32):
I'm very proud, I'm very happy that he's happy to
talk about that because it's quite embarrassing news us. Next
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That be good evening to you. Welcome on in on
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grab First. Duty lawyers are going on strike next month.
Duty lawyers, as I said before, the duce of the lawyers,

(01:07:21):
whose services are available to anyone appearing in court, mainly
including those who cannot afford legal representation. They've been caught
for something, they're into the process. They don't have family, friends,
mates or contacts. They can't just phone a lawyer, they
can't afford a lawyer. So there's the duty lawyer who's
right there and signed to them by the court. Now,

(01:07:42):
the Criminal Bar Association says duty lawyers often have massive,
complex workloads and of course they are paid much much
less than those in private practice. And now they're going
to go on strike. Dennis Ansley is a duty lawyer
and it joins me. Now, Hello Dennis, Hi, how are

(01:08:03):
you good? Thank you for your for your work. You
help a lot of people who are in a difficult situation.
And how underpaid are you?

Speaker 19 (01:08:13):
Can I first of all correct you. It's not a strike.
What we're doing is taking industrial action by not making
ourselves available for one week in January.

Speaker 2 (01:08:23):
Okay, you're you're a lawyer. You know the specificity of
a statement more than I do. So okay, you're taking
industrial action. If you're going to take a week off,
how underpaid are you?

Speaker 19 (01:08:34):
Okay, I'll give you a rundown. In nineteen ninety six,
we're on eighty dollars an hour. That's the last time
we had an increase from the government directly through the budget.
Well actually I'm not sure it was through the budget,
but from the government.

Speaker 18 (01:08:49):
We got a in years ago.

Speaker 2 (01:08:51):
Hold on, did you say nineteen eighty four, ninety six?
Oh sorry, nineteen ninety six, Yeah, eighty dollars an hour,
and nothing's changed until now twenty times.

Speaker 19 (01:09:02):
Sorry. We went from eighty dollars to eighty eight dollars
in nineteen ninety six. After that, two years ago we
got an increase through the Legal Services Commissioner, not the government.
But now we're on one hundred and three dollars an
hour and that hasn't changed. Private practice, of course, is
a lot more than that, and we don't expect to

(01:09:22):
get anywhere there's private practice, you know, but we're just
like a reasonable rate of pay given the complex match
of our job and the way it's changed over the years,
it's become far more difficult. You know, we're dealing with
addiction issues, mental health issues, and management issues. We get
verbally abused on a daily basis. Some of my colleagues

(01:09:43):
have been physically abused quite seriously. So we're dealing with
a far more complex type of client.

Speaker 2 (01:09:49):
So why are you doing this, because it's obviously not
for the money. It must be for some sense of
community service within you.

Speaker 19 (01:09:57):
Well, of course there's a large part of it is
community service. Otherwise we'd be, you know, working as private lawyers.
But what we want is the recognition that we deserve.
And the government says the communists platitudes. They say, we
value work. We thank you very much for the for
the work you do with frontline lawyers. We're dealing with

(01:10:17):
difficult clients, but they don't come to the party. And
what's happened over the years with the budget is that
other legal aid providers have always been included in pay increases.
Duty lawyers have never been included in a government budget
to my knowledge, So there's no recognition directly from the
government about the value of our job. I mean, what

(01:10:38):
we're earning now. Also, what we're earning now, yes, is
far the dollar goes so less than it used to
than when we were paid you know, the rates in
nineteen ninety six and after that. So all we want
is something reasonable to recognize the importance of what we
do and the complex nature of the job.

Speaker 2 (01:10:59):
It does seem bizarre that other sectors under the jurisdiction
of the Ministry of Justice have had a somewhat better deal.
Why you guys been singled out and what sort of
reasons are they giving to not give you a pay
rise over all this period of time.

Speaker 19 (01:11:16):
We haven't been given reasons. I've asked the minister in
the previous government. I've asked Port Goldsmith, the minister in
this government. I've not got any answers to that question.
For some reason, they think junior lawyers can just keep
doing it. No, because we haven't really picked up think
about it, and we've fit up. You know, we've been

(01:11:37):
fobbed off basically, and we're just basically now saying, well,
we're going to take a stand. We're going to let
you know that this is serious and we want you
to listen to us, and we'd like to talk to
you the Minister is not offering anything. In this last
letter to me, he said, well, I'm not sure what's
going to happen with the budgets. We might do something
next year. You know, there's no commits at all from

(01:12:00):
the government to looking at our pay rates. And the
problem too, is that we gets harder and harder to
attract duty lawyers to the roster because of the pay rates,
because of the job conditions. So the numbers on the
duty roster are diminishing, and yet our client base is increasing.
So it's going to get to the point where there's
just not enough duty lawyers to go around, and then

(01:12:21):
therefore people who can't afford a lawyer are going to
miss out, and that's the people at the bottom of
the heat.

Speaker 2 (01:12:28):
I was about to say, how important is it for
our justice system to work that duty lawyers are paid
enough to carry on in the job.

Speaker 19 (01:12:36):
It's very important, it is. And as I say, we're
not expecting a fortune, but we're just like a decent
amount of money for what we're doing, just the recognition
that's what we need because.

Speaker 18 (01:12:47):
It is a hard job.

Speaker 20 (01:12:48):
We do enjoy it.

Speaker 1 (01:12:49):
We do it.

Speaker 19 (01:12:50):
As you say, it's a community service factor. Involved, otherwise
we'd all be working privately. So it is not a
problem there. We have the commitment and the motivation. We
just want the backing on the government in terms of recognition,
not just platitudes. We actually want something hard and fast.

Speaker 2 (01:13:06):
It's early days, obviously, but in announcing this industrial action
over that week, have you felt as though they may
be willing to start to talk.

Speaker 19 (01:13:17):
No, I've had nothing, no indication whatsoever from that nothing.
I haven't had anything from the minister since September and
that letter was really just a fob off.

Speaker 2 (01:13:28):
All right, Well, look, look, can I just say I
totally respect to work, and I've seen duty lawyers work,
and I know how hard you work, and I know
you have to deal with some very messy situations that
other members of the silk wouldn't even touch with the
badge pole. That somebody has to do it, and you
are doing it, and so thank you so much for
your community service and I wish you all the best.

(01:13:48):
Lucky will keep on following this story. A couple of
textas are coming and coming. Wow, one hundred dollars an
hour though this guy, and in a way for some
people that might see quite a lot of money. But
you realize these guys have done four five years of
tertiary training, they've done their professional gears, they've got their experience.
They are dealing with some of the most complex things
for some of the most difficult clients, and they're working

(01:14:10):
insane hours and in fact, one hundred dollars an hour.
Every other lawyer would just be They wouldn't even they
wouldn't even do up one shoe for that. It is
our six fifteen Barry Soper for the final time this year.
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Andrew Dicks to review the week for the final time

(01:16:02):
this year. Barry, So for good evening to you, Hello
again to you too, and so let's review the political
weekend a little bit of the year, if that's all
right with you. So, of course this massacre on Bondai
Beach has dominated the past week.

Speaker 9 (01:16:16):
Yeah, it's sort of unbelievable, isn't it. I mean, I remember,
you know, of course the mosque shooting and New Zealanders
were so aghast at that, and of course there were
many more people killed and that than that were in
Bondai Beach. But the anti Semitism thing is dreadful in Australia.
I think this is going to prove a big problem
for Albanesi, the Prime Minister, because you know, a lot

(01:16:41):
has come out about things not being done that should
have been done. And here in New Zealand, the level
of threat remains that an attack could happen at any time.
So that's where our threat level is. And I think
New Zealand, unlike Australia, has done quite a lot post
the mosque shootings and the anti Semitism thing that's going

(01:17:04):
on around the world, so you know, hopefully nothing like
that could ever possibly happen in this country, but we've
seen that before. And don't forget though, Brenton Tarrant, the
terrorists that killed the mosque. The people in the mosque
was an Australian.

Speaker 2 (01:17:21):
Yeah, right, and Albanezi, it's fair to say, for the
last two years had oh, she'll be right attitude towards
the whole thing. He was worn. Bib warned him, who
warned him, other people warned him. We had headlines about it,
We had correspondence on this program about it all the time,
saying the rise of anti Semitism, and they did nothing
about it. It is difficult. It is whack a mole
and the moles are ghosts. But at the same time,

(01:17:43):
he could have done so much more. Absolutely so, We've
got some good economic news to end the year. And
I'm sure Christopher Luxen, my special guest on Monday and
the Breakfast Show, Oh years, I'm sure he is absolutely
toughed because this might save his election.

Speaker 9 (01:17:58):
Well, yes, it's good and bad news. This week, wasn't
it The HIFU, the half yearly fiscal update That wasn't
such good news, and it saw Nikola Willis having to
push out the surplus again. That was highly expected though
by most, and nobody had really picked that the economy
for the third quarter was going to grow by one
point one percent. Now, you know, that's higher than what

(01:18:20):
the Australians have been able to achieve in their third
quarter zero point four percent, and the UK, which is
going through a hell of a time at the moment
zero point one percent.

Speaker 2 (01:18:30):
It's as high as China.

Speaker 9 (01:18:32):
Yeah, no, it's I think we've you know, and it's
great that it's happened at this time of the year
because when this sort of things happen, thing happens, it's
the good news that motivates people and makes them much
more positive. And I think we've been through the doldrums
since Adrian or forced the recession on us, and now

(01:18:52):
we can look forward to, hopefully for many many people
at better.

Speaker 8 (01:18:55):
Time next year. Well.

Speaker 2 (01:18:56):
Absolutely, sentiment drives everything. When we talk about confidence, whether
it's consumer confidence or retail confidence or investment confidence, it's
about confidence. It's just a feeling. And I have felt
that perhaps we've sat on our hands a bit waiting
to feel as though the time is right, and finally
we've decided the time is right and so let's go.
So that's great news as well. So the Mega Ministry

(01:19:18):
m search. We made a Mega ministry once before MB
and that turned out to be loose.

Speaker 9 (01:19:27):
Well, it's being superseded by now it's going even bigger.

Speaker 2 (01:19:31):
And the problem with MB is that the left hand
wasn't talking to the right hand. How do we know
that now with one ministry the left hand and the
right hand are actually going to talk.

Speaker 9 (01:19:38):
Well that's an issue, isn't it. And look, this is
really the work of Sir Brian Roach, the State Services Commissioner,
even though the government obviously claims credit for it. But
there would be many that would say that the public
service should have been pruned much more than it was
an additional fourteen thousand public servants under the labor three

(01:19:59):
years that they were in government unbridled power. So what
they've got to do here, clearly is these ministries that
are coming under the umbrella the INSERT, the chief executives
they'll no longer have their roles. There will be one
chief executive of the INSERT and there will be imagine,

(01:20:19):
totally a pruning of numbers, although the government is reluctant
to say anything about that, but that will inevitably come
as a result of this.

Speaker 2 (01:20:28):
The first thing about government though, is that yes they've
been cutting numbers, but then this government has also been
increasing numbers in other areas because it needs strengthening, which
means that the total drop of people around about fourteen hundred,
when it could have been much much more. But they
employed some more. But if you argue why did you
employ those guys, they go, well, we had to because
that's governable.

Speaker 9 (01:20:48):
Well, it's always the boombust of three year election cycles.
I will say that, you know, Labour takes a lot
of public servants on national tends to prune it. But
we see consultants then making hay all the sunshines.

Speaker 2 (01:21:01):
You watched all the Christmas wind up speeches in the house.
Who was the best?

Speaker 9 (01:21:04):
Well, I thought the classic was certainly. I think Chris
Luxon took the prize for the best. What I liked
particularly was the line that he had about Winston Peters.
He's done a sterling job representing New Zealand on the
world stage. He's actually such a dedicated foreign minister that

(01:21:26):
he's mastered French. And every time I post something on
social media, he replies, I.

Speaker 2 (01:21:33):
Don't know who wrote it. I don't know who wrote it,
but there's a public servant who could actually get a
pay rise exactly. Barry Merry christ is to you had
to kids and.

Speaker 9 (01:21:42):
All yours, Andrew and our listeners.

Speaker 2 (01:21:45):
Of course, good man Barry Soper. He'll be back next year.

Speaker 17 (01:21:49):
All right.

Speaker 2 (01:21:49):
Have you wondered what Tom Cruise is up to. I
can tell you he's making a film with the guy
who made The Revenant. The Revenant is one of my
favorite films. Anyway, more details.

Speaker 6 (01:21:57):
Next, approaching the numbers and getting the results.

Speaker 1 (01:22:01):
It's Andrew Dickens on the Business Hour with MAS Motor
Vehicle Insurance.

Speaker 6 (01:22:06):
Your future is in good hands. Used talks that'd.

Speaker 2 (01:22:09):
Be six twenty seven on the issue of the duty
lawyers played one hundred and eight bucks an hour. Peter
rides one hundred of an hour is not a wage off.
That are all the expenses such as rent and support,
staff and costs and equipment. The net is probably less
than half of that. But meanwhile, there's a number of people,
particularly caregivers, who say, wow, one hundred bucks an hour,
You know, caregivers, we're on thirty if we're really lucky.

(01:22:30):
So yeah, there's a bit of jealousy and there's a
bit of support in equal measures. Six twenty seven.

Speaker 6 (01:22:36):
There's no business like show business.

Speaker 2 (01:22:39):
Tom Cruise last film out in May it was Mission Impossible,
the last Reckoning. What's he been up to since then?

Speaker 20 (01:22:46):
Well?

Speaker 2 (01:22:47):
This it's a film called Digger. It's a new movie
by producer director Arihadandro Gonzalez Yaleto. I think I got
that right now. As I said, you'll know him from
the Revenant, what a great film matters. He also did
a Birdman. There's another great film. He's a real art guy,

(01:23:07):
so this might be a real good film. The first
teaser for Digger, dropped today, tells you absolutely nothing about
the plot, and as you can hear, there's no dialogue
as yet. But the movie has been described as a
comedy of catastrophic proportions. Tom stars as Digger Rockwell. The
plot under wraps a little bit, but describes Cruse's character.
This is water. Brothers say he is the most powerful

(01:23:29):
man in the world who embarks on a frantic mission
to prove that he is humanity savior. Before the disaster,
he's unleashed, destroyed. Everything sounds like Tom's playing himself.

Speaker 5 (01:23:41):
Out.

Speaker 2 (01:23:41):
In October six, twenty nine, Peter Lewis from Asia, Kavin
Craig from the UK, and what's Donald Trump been up to? Something? Humble?
I'm sure no details on that sort of come here
on News talksb.

Speaker 1 (01:24:04):
Whether it's Macros, micro or just plain economics. It's all
on the Business Hour with Andrew Dickens and Ma's Motor
Vehicle Insurance.

Speaker 6 (01:24:13):
Your future is in good hands, Used Talks. It'd be
that deal is coming. Please don't go far. It's appearing.

Speaker 2 (01:24:35):
Welcome back to the program. And so the battle continue
on the text ninety two ninety two Small Times appliers
about whether a duty lawyer on one hundred and eight
dollars an hour is well paid or not. And of
course we've got some people who are kid and are
saying I'd kill for that sort of money because they're
on this and we know that. And we've got another
text in here saying Dickens's a kid, ever, doesn't go
to law school for five years and come out with

(01:24:55):
a massive debt. So that is a stupid comparison, but
that is true. But at the same time time, a
caregiver lives with the person that they're given care with,
possibly for all their lives. Many caregivers never work at
all and can never work at all because they have
somebody that they have to give care too, and it's
not their choice, and it is a full time profession,

(01:25:15):
and the work they do is very important because it
saves the state from the money spent from institutionalization. So
that's sort of fair comparison. Either, the duty lawyer is
doing something of their own volition and of their own choice,
but many caregivers have not been given the choice. It's
their familial obligation. And really if they were given the

(01:25:38):
choice and they could actually make that decision, they wouldn't
be doing what they're doing. At the same time, both
of them, the duty lawyer and the caregiver, are doing
God's work and I thank you for that. It is
twenty two to seven. After Asia we go, Peter Lewis,
good evening to you.

Speaker 21 (01:25:54):
Good evening, don't you so.

Speaker 2 (01:25:56):
China's economy. We're always looking at China's economy. It's a
bit of strain considering the whole terra for and considering everything.
It's been doing well, but it's showing signs of strain.
In November it is indeed.

Speaker 21 (01:26:09):
I mean, if you look into the details, we had
a whole load of data on fixed assi's investment, on
retail sales, on industrial production. I think the most worrying
thing is fixed acid investment actually, which has now declined
for the third month in a row. Now, we've never
seen that before since data was first published by China

(01:26:32):
on its economy. Normally there's been a lot of interest
in investing in China. But what this is now term negative,
and it shows that both businesses and households just don't
want to invest at the moment in the Chinese economy.

Speaker 18 (01:26:49):
Now.

Speaker 21 (01:26:49):
One of the main reasons for that is this slide
in house prices, which we've seen now for four years, NonStop.
Investments in property down about sixteen percent from a year ago,
and that's being transmitted more to the consumer side. What
consumers are doing is they're looking to pay down debts

(01:27:09):
at the moment rather than spend money and build up
new expenditure. So this is going to be a challenge
for China next year because Rejijingping wants to reorientate the
economy towards more the domestic side and less reliance on exports.

(01:27:30):
Many overseas countries have called for that as well. They're
saying we had Immanual Macron in Beijing just last month
saying that the pain that's all this reliance and exports
was causing to overseas economies was unbearable, and the IMF
has called for China to rebalance its economy over the

(01:27:50):
coming months more towards domestic consumption. So this is going
to be the big challenge for China next year. Now
in some ways, I mean, you know, it's in a
good position to be able to do that. If you
look at this economy overall, it's growing at five percent
this year one year. Now, that's a good rate of growth.
Many countries would be would love to see that sort
of growth. But it's very very lopsided, relying very very

(01:28:16):
heavily on exports. So this is going to be the
big challenge for China in twenty twenty six.

Speaker 2 (01:28:23):
Absolutely, the Chinese tiger, though, has been going great guns
over the last fifteen twenty years. But Ji Jumping gave
a very interesting warning to his officials because he doesn't
want them to chase what he would call reckless GDP expansion.

Speaker 21 (01:28:38):
Yes, indeed, and he's talking a lot about in particular
reckless sort of themes like large industrial parks, building all
these unnecessary cities, of some of which he's promoted. He
promoted a huge new mega city south of Beijing, which
was supposed to eventually take over from Beijing. That never

(01:29:00):
really happened, and all that's there is empty apartment blocks
and antier empty factories. But he wants an end to that,
and he wants sort of economic plans to be based
around sustainable long term gains, particularly trying to boost the

(01:29:22):
sort of green economy, and he wants to change the
way in which local government officials are evaluated. He said
they shouldn't be judged on GDP growth rates, but on
broader achievements such as improving people's well being, maintaining stability,
on so on. This bit reminds me a little bit
of Bhutan's measure of its well being by gross national

(01:29:45):
happiness rather than gross national product. But he wants, he
wants to change the whole way in which officials are
measured so that they're not tempted to chase sort of
unrealistic growth and using unsustainable methods and fake statistics and
the likes to achieve that. So he wants sustainability and

(01:30:09):
more long term goals in the economic growth environment.

Speaker 2 (01:30:15):
Well, it helps when you have a domestic market of
like one point two one point three billion people that
you can survive on that, and they've seen the shots
that have come from America, and they've also been developing well,
they've been doing all the export. They've also been doing
all that incredible power network and as you say, sustainable
green power production and building data centers and all that
sort of thing. So they're quite self reliant. They're quite

(01:30:36):
a remarkable economy. It's been through another country that's kind
of Thailand, where things are not getting any easier. They've
just dissolved their parliament and they're still in conflict with Cambodia.

Speaker 21 (01:30:47):
Yes, indeed, I mean Thailand has never really recovered from
the pandemic. It's an economy that's very dependent upon tourism
and it's just really struggled to get momentum behind its
economy since that, since then, and that's the case today
as well. It also has a rather unstable political environment.

(01:31:10):
The government has to rely on rather large, unwilderly coalitions
and there's elections on a regular basis. Or now we've
got another one. The prime minister disaster to dissolve parliament,
which the King has granted, so that means there now
has to be another election within forty five to sixty days.

(01:31:31):
Rather alarmingly, the Prime Minister Anatin is sort of turning
to nationalistic sentiments. This often seems to happen with governments,
doesn't it around Asia, around the world actually, when they're
fighting for their political survival. So he's sort of rather
relying on these border clashes with Cambodia and taking a

(01:31:51):
very hardline stance on that. He doesn't want a cease
fire at all until basically Cambodia sort of copite habitulates,
and I hope it will boost him that hardline stance
in the polls ahead of the election. The problem, what
is this clash with Cambodia is really disrupting trade at

(01:32:17):
the moment and also putting tourists off as well, So
it's not helping the economy. And there's a risk that
if these migrant labor flows, which Thailand is very dependent upon,
are disrupted, or even worse, if Donald Trump, who helped
broker the peace agreement between the two countries, decides to
reimpose tariffs on Thailand, then its economy is really going

(01:32:41):
to suffer.

Speaker 2 (01:32:42):
Yep, thank you so much. Peter lewis out of the
Asia in is a quarter to seven and now on
the mention of Donald Trump, what's he up to these days?
The iconic Kennedy Center for the Performing Arts is going
to get its name changed.

Speaker 4 (01:32:57):
The board of the Kennedy Center, of which the President
as the chairman, had voted unanimously to approve a name
change that it will now be the Trump Kennedy Center.

Speaker 2 (01:33:06):
Yes, that's right, the Trump Kennedy Center. Somehow, he claimed
to be surprised, even though he's been calling for that
for months now. One board member who was against the
idea claims she was put on mute when the vote
was held on a conference call. The whole meeting was
actually took place down in Florida with all of Trump's mates.
So members of the Kennedy family have reacted. They've said this,

(01:33:30):
the Kennedy Center is a living memorial to a fallhen
president and named for President Kennedy by federal law, it
can no sooner be renamed than can someone rename the
Lincoln Memorial, No matter what anyone says. Another one of
the Kennedy said, President Kennedy proudly stood for justice, peace, equality, dignity, diversity,
and compassion for those who suffer. President Trump stands in

(01:33:53):
opposition to these values, and his name should not be
placed alongside President Kennedy's. We have no idea what Bobby
Junior rickens. But the thing I like most about Trump,
I have to say, is his humility. The absence of
witch is on full display. Kevin Gray from the UK.

Speaker 1 (01:34:13):
Mix everything from SMEs to the big corporates, The Business
Hour with Andrew Dickens and Mayor's Motor Vehicle Insurance, Your
futures in good heads used talks, it'd.

Speaker 2 (01:34:25):
Be it's eleven to seven, Gavin Gray from the UK.
Good afternoon either, Andrew. So the EU agrees on more
money for Ukraine.

Speaker 22 (01:34:38):
Yes, a big lump of money, but not as much
as Ukraine was hoping, and not via the sources of
finance that indeed many had thought they were finally going
to stand up to. So I think some will see
this deal as yeah, I suppose good for Ukraine, but
a bit of a damp square as to what many
people were demanding that the EU actually do something for

(01:34:58):
once instead of all the meeting. So the European Union
leaders have agreed to strike a deal giving roughly one
hundred and seventy five billion New Zealand.

Speaker 6 (01:35:08):
Dollars to Ukraine.

Speaker 22 (01:35:11):
And it's alone having failed to agree on using frozen
Russian assets. Now, currently the Russian assets are some two
hundred billion euros, so more than double what they've just given,
and certainly Ukrainian President Loto Meszelenski said, look, you've got
two hundred billion of Russian assets which are frozen.

Speaker 5 (01:35:31):
You should be using these to.

Speaker 22 (01:35:32):
Help us, and most European leaders said, yeah, we should
and we will. And indeed Germany had really been pushing
for this as a way of spending that money. Russia
had threatened court cases and of course, excuse me, the
money's largely kept in Belgium. Belgium was worried that they
would be sued by Russia, so they put up quite

(01:35:52):
a few opponent opposing ideas about that. Andrew, but Ukraine's
running out of cash. They say, without the more cash,
they won't be able to produce so many drones, and
so this extra money the European Union hailing as a victory,
but I think many will see through that as a
bit of a disappointment.

Speaker 2 (01:36:08):
Yeah, by better, it's getting worse and worse for Ukraine
no matter what support they've got now from our very
rich file of crazy crimes out of France, we've got
the sentencing of a doctor who killed people using his syringe.

Speaker 22 (01:36:22):
Yes, this is a truly amazing case and indeed one
of France's biggest ever medical practice. Medical malpractice cases, even
a former anesthetis has been jailed for life for intentionally
poisoning thirty patients, twelve of them fatally. The fifty three
year old has been convicted after a four month trial
that has absolutely shocked France. He was found to have

(01:36:44):
introduced chemicals like potassium chloride or even adrenaline into the
infusion bags of patients. His youngest victim was just four,
his oldest was eighty nine. His prosecutors said he was
doctor death. And they said that the chemicals that he
added into these infusion bags triggered cardiac arrest or hemorrhaging
in patients, which required emergency intervention in the operating theater. Now,

(01:37:09):
what was the motive, Well, the prosecutor said, the motive
that he had was quite simply that he would then
be able to try and get the patient better again
and then be lauded with praise and be thanked.

Speaker 11 (01:37:22):
But obviously, in some of these.

Speaker 22 (01:37:24):
Cases twelve cases where there were fatalities, he was unable
to intervene, or it was too late and the patient died.
The prosecution said he had acted in order to discredit
fellow anesthetists against whom he bore a grudge, A truly
horrific case and indeed that four year old who did
survive well. They actually managed to survive two cardiac arrests,

(01:37:46):
having gone in for a routine tonsil surgery.

Speaker 2 (01:37:48):
I don't know what it is about France, but they
produced the most incredible sociopathic nscissists who didn't who do
the worst things. Hey, Gavin Gray, I don't know whether.
I don't know if I'm going to be talking to
you before Christmas. I'm doing this summer breakfast show over summer,
in which case I made very well Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday
of this coming week. But if I don't merry Christmas

(01:38:10):
to you and your friends, I love you, I love
talking to you, and so go well, and I thank
you so much. Gavin Gray, Out of the UK. Coming
up six minutes to seven.

Speaker 1 (01:38:19):
It's the Heather Too per Se Allan Drive Full show
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Speaker 2 (01:38:27):
News Talks EBB. So here we are ladies and gentlemen.
And I'd like to say to Laura Beatty knee knare
thro a Weiginaxtony, there was Mary Christmas in German. To
Anthony Medicich, I'd like to say, could you play some
music so I don't have to talk anymore? And Merry
Christmas to you.

Speaker 20 (01:38:46):
Thanks very much. Andrew got here, We wish you a
Merry Christmas. I always like to finish with this one
because for two reasons. First of all, because we wish you,
the listener of Merry Christmas, whether you've been listening religiously
to the show all year or you just tuned in
now today. Thanks very much. We can only do this
because you listen to the show, and we appreciate you
coming back again and again and again and letting us
do it. It's from me and Laura and Hither and

(01:39:07):
Ryan and Andrew and everybody who works on the show.
And the second reason I like playing this song, Andrew
is it's because the version of we Wish You a
Merry Christmas performed by David Hasselhoff.

Speaker 2 (01:39:14):
I love that this thing exists.

Speaker 5 (01:39:16):
This is just great.

Speaker 2 (01:39:17):
And go and take a holiday because you sound exhausted.

Speaker 20 (01:39:20):
Oh, yeah, I'll just take a quick one. See on Monday, Andrew.

Speaker 2 (01:39:24):
Oh really okay, I'm sorry. Merry Christmas everybody. From all

(01:40:08):
of us to all of you, I wish you were
very merry Christmas and a happiness.

Speaker 6 (01:40:15):
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