April 22, 2026 • 8 mins
Tonight on The Huddle, lawyer Liam Hehir and Jack Tame from ZB's Saturday Mornings and Q&A joined in on a discussion about the following issues of the day - and more!
National has turned their attention to Winston Peters and indicated he could switch sides to Labour if they win the election. What do we think Winston Peters will do?
Will the US-Iran ceasefire actually last?
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
On the huddle of us this evening, Liam here labor lawyer,
lifting not labor lawyer, current National Party member.
Speaker 2 (00:08):
My correct, yeah, c current.
Speaker 1 (00:12):
And then Jack Tame, host of Saturday Mornings in Q
and a hello you too. So the reason I'm really
excited about talking when they when the boys said to
me today, Liam, they were like, on the huddle, we've
got Liam this evening, I said, because last night, at
around nine o'clock, I was lying in bed reading your
piece about how Winston could well go with labor. So
run me through it.
Speaker 2 (00:31):
Well, I think the key thing is you touched on
in it's the interview really really well. I thought you
really nailed him down all the eOne else has evenailed
him down, probably in the history of his long career.
Speaker 1 (00:43):
Shut up.
Speaker 2 (00:43):
You have to really that you've got a really definitive
statement there, And I'm going to have to go through
the transcript and read it carefully to find me out
this list of stuff for because there's always the things
you make defendative sounding statements, but there's always a rash
Now later on for why he didn't say what it
sounded like he said, Well, he said was in a
(01:05):
plain steer English of what he said, why didn't why
it didn't actually mean what he said, And so it's
not just about who he'd gone to power with. There
have been a number of occasions throughout his whole career
where he's made a very definsitive sounding statement about this
is my bottom line. You're not going to government with
me unless you do this, and then all that expires
on election night. And so you know, twenty seventeen was
(01:29):
a bit of a shock, but we've got to remember
he had two thousand and five as well, we're not
going into government with anyone, and then he had the
sort of the dodge of saying, well, it's not a coalition,
it's confidence in the supply, and they're all the way
back to my ninety six and that was one of
my earliest political memories because I had a National Party
voting dad and a Labor Party voting mum. I remember
sitting around the TV for the announcement and the absolute
(01:52):
shock in the devastation for my mum and the joy
for my dad. It was my earliest memory and so
I'm never going to forget it, and the lesson on
yet as all bets are off an election night, okay.
Speaker 1 (02:03):
Well, you need to go and go through that transcript,
find me out, and when you find it, Liam, let
us know and we'll let everyone know. Jack, I think
though from national this is quite a good strategy.
Speaker 2 (02:11):
What do you think, well, I tend to agree. I
think Withston Peter's is a little bit sensitive about it.
I mean, even that last line I thought was quite
telling when he said I'm beginning to regret being so
frank with the media and asserting that this is a
terrible move of the Prime Minister. I mean, I thought
his comments yesterday were remarkable. I mean the temerity to
(02:33):
come out and say that it was a destabilizing move
on behalf of the Prime minister when you are the
one making comments that can surely only be destabilizing for
a coalition government. I mean it's classic true, yeah, I
mean it's classic shrewd entertaining Winston Peters. But clearly this
(02:54):
is a sensitive point. I think the fact that with
Labour in twenty seventeen is a sensitive point. And Prance
I can put just steer you to the transcript carefully.
I think that the important distinction with his promises as
the last election and the important distinction going into this
election is whether or not Winston Peters will explicitly rule
out doing any deal with Labor even if Labor has
(03:17):
a leader other than Chrisipkins post election, because I think
that's one of the little outs that he may have
created himself in the past. Well, he said, he said,
he said labor this time, which while I was sort
of excited, so you know, he really put them down.
Speaker 1 (03:29):
And it's actually he's not the first time, Liam, that
he's done that. It is actually the second time I've
heard him say labor without Chris Sipkins as a qualifier.
But carry on.
Speaker 2 (03:36):
Can you mention how Winsti Peter's would have reacted if
Chris Lutson decided to give him advice or comment on
how WinCE Peter's runs his own caucus. You know, presiptions
starting to give sort of freelance political consultant advice to
Jill Winston about how to rubs his caucus. But you
want to say that he would basically exploded, So he
actually got off. I was surprised at how steely Hutson was,
(04:01):
but I think he really Winston's got off pretty lightly,
and that might also be why he's a bit reticent today.
Speaker 1 (04:07):
Yeah, perhaps so, oh, Jameson.
Speaker 2 (04:09):
One other thing, I've been reflecting over the last twenty
four hours or so on that little period about this
far out from the last election, when the vast majority
of the commentariat were urging Christopher Luxon to rule out
Whinston Peter's in New Zealand First in any governing arrangement.
It was about six months before the election. I think
New Zealand First was pulling at about three from memory
or something like that, and Labor has ruled them out,
(04:30):
and everyone said, if you rule out Winston Peter's in
National now and New Zealand verst now, you do it
in a way that is respectful and mon are enhancing,
but simply says we're not going to govern with you.
You'll lap up all of that New Zealand First vote.
You'll never have to worry about Winston Peters. And I've
been reflecting on that period over the last twenty four hours,
wondering if Christopher Luxe and lies in bed at night
wishing he'd made a better decision or a different decisions.
Speaker 1 (04:53):
What would have happened if he'd gone through the other door.
All right, guys, we'll take a break, come back shortly
thirteen away from six.
Speaker 2 (05:01):
Well, I mean, obviously we're talking about Iran now rather
than New Zealand person national. Look, it's so funny, right, Like,
how many times over the last seven weeks as Donald
Trump said that we're really close to a deal or
we're really close to things being finished, I just don't
think you can kind of believe any words from his mouth.
(05:21):
And you know, obviously I hope to see fire continues.
I hope we don't see fighting, But I don't feel
like we're meaningfully closer to having the straight back open
and having anything like the flow of oil and commerce
that we had before this conflict. And you know, the
longer this continues, keeping in mind that even once the
Strait is open for business, if we ever get there,
(05:43):
it's going to take weeks, if not months, to clear
the backlog to have operations up and running in the
Persian Golf as they were before the conflict started. I
think it's an increasingly likely that the inflationary effects are
going to be bettered in and yep, that's bad for
all of us.
Speaker 1 (05:59):
Who do you think Liam is in the position of
power here? Is it Iran refusing to come to the
table or is it Donald Trump because Iran is getting
economically strangled.
Speaker 2 (06:08):
It's so funny, it isn't Jack said that it's so
remarkably similar to national zillance. It really just is because
neither partner it really has that the hand in the
way that's going to be able to deliver a fease fire. Obviously,
the United States has absolutely obliterated Iran militarily, but they
can't finish. The problem is is that you were trumped
desperate for a deal, but you've got this Iranian regime
(06:31):
that will just not accept anything that looks like they're
losing face or a flying down. Both of them are
too invested in the optics of what's going to happen.
And I mean, we were talking about this two weeks ago,
and I might start to think the comment you made
back then, which was that some of you were talking
to said, you might not get an outbreak of fighting again,
but they will never progress beyond a cease fire. It
(06:52):
will trying to be like northerns in our career, where
he just has this permanent state of tension, not necessarily
always ard conflict the world. Where long as this goes on,
the more and more I think it might be right.
You know, I think we right just settled for the
long term. Yeah. One thing I reckon if we're keeping
an eye on Heather is, I mean, as always is China.
And so keep in mind that Trump is supposed to
(07:13):
have state visit to China, I think in about a
month or three weeks or so. And you know, China is,
from my understanding, Iran's biggest customer when it comes to
Iran's oil. So if they try and blockade that straight
and the Chinese are unable to get oil through the
Strait from Iranian producers, they are going to be very
very unhappy about that. And I think that's a big
factor of what happens there.
Speaker 1 (07:34):
Yeah, okay, fair point, Liam. Do I eat the horse
meat pie?
Speaker 2 (07:38):
No? That's wrong to eat horses?
Speaker 1 (07:40):
Is it wrong to who says it's wrong to eat horses?
Speaker 2 (07:44):
People who like horses like me. It's as simple as that, right.
And I suppose if you don't have any cultural attachment
or affinity to horses, I mean why not. I suppose
it's an animal, it's a mammal. But I just think
that's in the culture where you know that within dare
I say it? And his I on culture where forces
that beloved companion animals rather than seen his life sock.
(08:05):
It's legitimate to actually have a non rational sort of
discuss of these things.
Speaker 1 (08:10):
And Liam was surprisingly like adamand about that, Jack, I
was kind of taken.
Speaker 2 (08:16):
A bit by that. Were you. Liam feels stronger than
much more strongly than I feel. I mean, I don't
think I'd be rushing out to pick out some cut
price horse meat as these mins go through the roof again.
But if you were presented with the horse meat pie,
and unless the horse was already gone, Skis and I
reckon give it a try, you don't.
Speaker 1 (08:34):
Let's go on, Okay, okay, all right, split votes on that.
Thank you guys, appreciate it. Liam here, Jack James seven
away from six.
Speaker 2 (08:43):
For more from Hither Duplessy Allen Drive, listen live to
news talks. It'd be from four pm weekdays, or follow
the podcast on iHeartRadio
On the huddle of us this evening, Liam here labor lawyer,
lifting not labor lawyer, current National Party member.
Speaker 2 (00:08):
My correct, yeah, c current.
Speaker 1 (00:12):
And then Jack Tame, host of Saturday Mornings in Q
and a hello you too. So the reason I'm really
excited about talking when they when the boys said to
me today, Liam, they were like, on the huddle, we've
got Liam this evening, I said, because last night, at
around nine o'clock, I was lying in bed reading your
piece about how Winston could well go with labor. So
run me through it.
Speaker 2 (00:31):
Well, I think the key thing is you touched on
in it's the interview really really well. I thought you
really nailed him down all the eOne else has evenailed
him down, probably in the history of his long career.
Speaker 1 (00:43):
Shut up.
Speaker 2 (00:43):
You have to really that you've got a really definitive
statement there, And I'm going to have to go through
the transcript and read it carefully to find me out
this list of stuff for because there's always the things
you make defendative sounding statements, but there's always a rash
Now later on for why he didn't say what it
sounded like he said, Well, he said was in a
(01:05):
plain steer English of what he said, why didn't why
it didn't actually mean what he said, And so it's
not just about who he'd gone to power with. There
have been a number of occasions throughout his whole career
where he's made a very definsitive sounding statement about this
is my bottom line. You're not going to government with
me unless you do this, and then all that expires
on election night. And so you know, twenty seventeen was
(01:29):
a bit of a shock, but we've got to remember
he had two thousand and five as well, we're not
going into government with anyone, and then he had the
sort of the dodge of saying, well, it's not a coalition,
it's confidence in the supply, and they're all the way
back to my ninety six and that was one of
my earliest political memories because I had a National Party
voting dad and a Labor Party voting mum. I remember
sitting around the TV for the announcement and the absolute
(01:52):
shock in the devastation for my mum and the joy
for my dad. It was my earliest memory and so
I'm never going to forget it, and the lesson on
yet as all bets are off an election night, okay.
Speaker 1 (02:03):
Well, you need to go and go through that transcript,
find me out, and when you find it, Liam, let
us know and we'll let everyone know. Jack, I think
though from national this is quite a good strategy.
Speaker 2 (02:11):
What do you think, well, I tend to agree. I
think Withston Peter's is a little bit sensitive about it.
I mean, even that last line I thought was quite
telling when he said I'm beginning to regret being so
frank with the media and asserting that this is a
terrible move of the Prime Minister. I mean, I thought
his comments yesterday were remarkable. I mean the temerity to
(02:33):
come out and say that it was a destabilizing move
on behalf of the Prime minister when you are the
one making comments that can surely only be destabilizing for
a coalition government. I mean it's classic true, yeah, I
mean it's classic shrewd entertaining Winston Peters. But clearly this
(02:54):
is a sensitive point. I think the fact that with
Labour in twenty seventeen is a sensitive point. And Prance
I can put just steer you to the transcript carefully.
I think that the important distinction with his promises as
the last election and the important distinction going into this
election is whether or not Winston Peters will explicitly rule
out doing any deal with Labor even if Labor has
(03:17):
a leader other than Chrisipkins post election, because I think
that's one of the little outs that he may have
created himself in the past. Well, he said, he said,
he said labor this time, which while I was sort
of excited, so you know, he really put them down.
Speaker 1 (03:29):
And it's actually he's not the first time, Liam, that
he's done that. It is actually the second time I've
heard him say labor without Chris Sipkins as a qualifier.
But carry on.
Speaker 2 (03:36):
Can you mention how Winsti Peter's would have reacted if
Chris Lutson decided to give him advice or comment on
how WinCE Peter's runs his own caucus. You know, presiptions
starting to give sort of freelance political consultant advice to
Jill Winston about how to rubs his caucus. But you
want to say that he would basically exploded, So he
actually got off. I was surprised at how steely Hutson was,
(04:01):
but I think he really Winston's got off pretty lightly,
and that might also be why he's a bit reticent today.
Speaker 1 (04:07):
Yeah, perhaps so, oh, Jameson.
Speaker 2 (04:09):
One other thing, I've been reflecting over the last twenty
four hours or so on that little period about this
far out from the last election, when the vast majority
of the commentariat were urging Christopher Luxon to rule out
Whinston Peter's in New Zealand First in any governing arrangement.
It was about six months before the election. I think
New Zealand First was pulling at about three from memory
or something like that, and Labor has ruled them out,
(04:30):
and everyone said, if you rule out Winston Peter's in
National now and New Zealand verst now, you do it
in a way that is respectful and mon are enhancing,
but simply says we're not going to govern with you.
You'll lap up all of that New Zealand First vote.
You'll never have to worry about Winston Peters. And I've
been reflecting on that period over the last twenty four hours,
wondering if Christopher Luxe and lies in bed at night
wishing he'd made a better decision or a different decisions.
Speaker 1 (04:53):
What would have happened if he'd gone through the other door.
All right, guys, we'll take a break, come back shortly
thirteen away from six.
Speaker 2 (05:01):
Well, I mean, obviously we're talking about Iran now rather
than New Zealand person national. Look, it's so funny, right, Like,
how many times over the last seven weeks as Donald
Trump said that we're really close to a deal or
we're really close to things being finished, I just don't
think you can kind of believe any words from his mouth.
(05:21):
And you know, obviously I hope to see fire continues.
I hope we don't see fighting, But I don't feel
like we're meaningfully closer to having the straight back open
and having anything like the flow of oil and commerce
that we had before this conflict. And you know, the
longer this continues, keeping in mind that even once the
Strait is open for business, if we ever get there,
(05:43):
it's going to take weeks, if not months, to clear
the backlog to have operations up and running in the
Persian Golf as they were before the conflict started. I
think it's an increasingly likely that the inflationary effects are
going to be bettered in and yep, that's bad for
all of us.
Speaker 1 (05:59):
Who do you think Liam is in the position of
power here? Is it Iran refusing to come to the
table or is it Donald Trump because Iran is getting
economically strangled.
Speaker 2 (06:08):
It's so funny, it isn't Jack said that it's so
remarkably similar to national zillance. It really just is because
neither partner it really has that the hand in the
way that's going to be able to deliver a fease fire. Obviously,
the United States has absolutely obliterated Iran militarily, but they
can't finish. The problem is is that you were trumped
desperate for a deal, but you've got this Iranian regime
(06:31):
that will just not accept anything that looks like they're
losing face or a flying down. Both of them are
too invested in the optics of what's going to happen.
And I mean, we were talking about this two weeks ago,
and I might start to think the comment you made
back then, which was that some of you were talking
to said, you might not get an outbreak of fighting again,
but they will never progress beyond a cease fire. It
(06:52):
will trying to be like northerns in our career, where
he just has this permanent state of tension, not necessarily
always ard conflict the world. Where long as this goes on,
the more and more I think it might be right.
You know, I think we right just settled for the
long term. Yeah. One thing I reckon if we're keeping
an eye on Heather is, I mean, as always is China.
And so keep in mind that Trump is supposed to
(07:13):
have state visit to China, I think in about a
month or three weeks or so. And you know, China is,
from my understanding, Iran's biggest customer when it comes to
Iran's oil. So if they try and blockade that straight
and the Chinese are unable to get oil through the
Strait from Iranian producers, they are going to be very
very unhappy about that. And I think that's a big
factor of what happens there.
Speaker 1 (07:34):
Yeah, okay, fair point, Liam. Do I eat the horse
meat pie?
Speaker 2 (07:38):
No? That's wrong to eat horses?
Speaker 1 (07:40):
Is it wrong to who says it's wrong to eat horses?
Speaker 2 (07:44):
People who like horses like me. It's as simple as that, right.
And I suppose if you don't have any cultural attachment
or affinity to horses, I mean why not. I suppose
it's an animal, it's a mammal. But I just think
that's in the culture where you know that within dare
I say it? And his I on culture where forces
that beloved companion animals rather than seen his life sock.
(08:05):
It's legitimate to actually have a non rational sort of
discuss of these things.
Speaker 1 (08:10):
And Liam was surprisingly like adamand about that, Jack, I
was kind of taken.
Speaker 2 (08:16):
A bit by that. Were you. Liam feels stronger than
much more strongly than I feel. I mean, I don't
think I'd be rushing out to pick out some cut
price horse meat as these mins go through the roof again.
But if you were presented with the horse meat pie,
and unless the horse was already gone, Skis and I
reckon give it a try, you don't.
Speaker 1 (08:34):
Let's go on, Okay, okay, all right, split votes on that.
Thank you guys, appreciate it. Liam here, Jack James seven
away from six.
Speaker 2 (08:43):
For more from Hither Duplessy Allen Drive, listen live to
news talks. It'd be from four pm weekdays, or follow
the podcast on iHeartRadio
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