Full Show Podcast: 28 April 2026

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Speaker 1 (00:01):
The only drive show you can trust Trump to ask
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and give the analysis. Hither duplicy Ellen Drive with One
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Speaker 2 (00:18):
Afternoon. Welcome to the show coming up today. The Indian
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Speaker 1 (00:34):
Hither duplicy Ellen.

Speaker 2 (00:35):
I'll tell you what I found. The most surprising thing
about the assassination attempt on Donald Trump at the weekend
is the number of people who do not believe this
really happened, or that it was a real attempt. The
number of people who believe it was stage, who are
openly discussing the fact that they think it was staged,
as well as the fact that they don't think Donald
Trump was shot through the ear a couple of months ago,
more than a couple of months ago. But you get

(00:56):
the drift of it. Within hours of the attempt on
his life, Over this weekend, the term staged appeared in
more than three hundred thousand posts on Twitter. A FORMACYIA
agent has gone public saying he thinks it was staged
because the security first moved at JD Vance before they
moved Donald Trump, which is against protocol. Trump, of course,
hasn't helped this at all because in his very first

(01:17):
press conference afterwards, he's arguing that the assassination attempt proves
that he needs to build a new ballroom because it
would be so much safer. That is obviously not the
logic of a normal person who has just been in
the same building as someone who hasn't done and wants
to kill them. And it probably, if we're on this
doesn't help that Trump has now had that many assassination
tempts on his life now that it's starting to feel
a little like every time it happens, you care less

(01:38):
and less. And it also doesn't happen help frankly, that
it's Trump, the guy is so unconventional. It is more
believable that he would stage a false flag event like
this than, for example, I don't know Barack Obama, who
is more conventional. I am resisting the temptation myself to
take the mickey out of people who don't believe the
assassination attempts have happened in a reel, because as silly
as it seems to me, I mean, I think it

(02:00):
stretches credibility to think that Trump would stage not one,
but at least two attempts on his life when anything
could go wrong, when there are weapons involved. As silly
as that seems to me, that conspiracy theory part of
me actually takes comfort from the fact that there are
this many people being this independent in their thoughts. I
might not necessarily agree with where they have got to
in their independent thinking, but I kind of like the

(02:22):
fact that they are assessing the facts for themselves and
reaching conclusions that are different to the one that I've
reached that the majority of us have reached. That the
consensus is. It is weird that this is where people
going in their heads. Clearly someone tried to kill Trump
at the weekend and clearly thinking otherwise is a conspiracy theory.
But maybe conspiracy theories are not all that bad if
they demonstrate that people are actually exercising their brains independently.

Speaker 1 (02:45):
Ever, do for see Ellen.

Speaker 2 (02:50):
Nine two nine ers The text understand a text fees apply.
I'll discuss it with bad because newsflash, very Soap is
one of the people who doesn't believe it really happens.
We'll talk to him. Yeah, I know, roll your eyes
go on in about thirty five minutes time. Now, New
Zealand's sporting CEO drought is finally starting to come to
an end. Four months after the New Zealand Cricket CEO
Scott Winning announced his resignation, former Black Cap Jeff Allett

(03:12):
has been announced as the new n ZCA boss and
Jeff is with us.

Speaker 3 (03:15):
Hello Jeff, Hello Heather.

Speaker 2 (03:17):
How are you feeling about this?

Speaker 4 (03:19):
I'm excited, Heather, to be honest, yeah, I know it's
a big challenge, but you know, to be given the
reins I guess of New Zealand cricket, the.

Speaker 3 (03:27):
Sport that I love as a huge honor. So yeah,
really looking forward to the opportunity.

Speaker 2 (03:33):
You've worked in there before, haven't you.

Speaker 3 (03:35):
I did.

Speaker 4 (03:36):
I was GM of Cricket for a couple of years
way back, I think in two thousand and eight.

Speaker 3 (03:41):
That makes me really old, but so and I've been
a board member.

Speaker 4 (03:45):
For eight years of New Zealand Cricket in a couple
of years for Kennaby Cricket, so I sort of I
feel like I know a few of the leavers that
need to be pulled got a wee bit of an
advantage of having been inside the organization.

Speaker 3 (03:58):
So that's that's something I think.

Speaker 2 (04:00):
Well, I mean, tell me if you think I'm wrong here,
but I reckon you're the perfect kind of person for
a job like this. Like you, you've played the sports,
so you love it clearly. Then you've been involved in
the in the running of the sports, so you understand
how it works. But you've also gone away and got
some external experience, so you bring you'll bring a little
bit of the private sector sharp thinking, but also with
the love of it. But you're not captured by it.

(04:21):
Would that be fair?

Speaker 3 (04:23):
Well, that's beautifully announced, sik either.

Speaker 4 (04:26):
That's very very welcome kind of you, really, but ultimately
you will be the.

Speaker 3 (04:30):
Judge and others will be the judge of that, and
that's fair. You know.

Speaker 2 (04:33):
Are you captured by cricket? Are you captured by the
way it's always been done? I'm thinking of like it
and you don't have to comment on this, but.

Speaker 4 (04:40):
Like nod Per, I'm you know, I am that person
that played in the backyard that was never really that
good and got a chance to play for my country.
And then what that's done for me since has created
a fourteen year job and business in India on the
back of cricket relationships and networks and been on the
book because of this game.

Speaker 3 (05:02):
How could I not love it?

Speaker 5 (05:03):
You know?

Speaker 3 (05:03):
So you know that that is.

Speaker 4 (05:05):
My background, and I'm incredibly passionate about giving back. I'm
passionate about making sure that the next generation has the
same opportunities that I had.

Speaker 3 (05:15):
So that's that's sort of the background of me.

Speaker 2 (05:18):
Tell me what you think of n Z twenty.

Speaker 4 (05:22):
I like the concept a lot hither to be honest,
and I like it because, you know, cricket is a
sport that's evolving rapidly, and if we don't have an
alternative and an option around that, then there is a
risk you know, that we will we will lose for example,
the players wanting to be part of.

Speaker 3 (05:41):
A New Zealand cricket opportunity and landscape.

Speaker 4 (05:43):
And I was incredibly excited in I think it was
December and January, it might have been been on your
program when.

Speaker 3 (05:49):
I started hearing players.

Speaker 4 (05:52):
Come out in support of this concept, and that to
me is sort of the ultimate.

Speaker 3 (05:57):
If we can. If we if our men.

Speaker 4 (05:58):
And women play want to be in a competition that's
run in this country that's going to inspire the next generation,
then that's fantastic. And at the same time, if it
takes some high performance boxes and has you know, a
financial sustainability element to it, brilliant.

Speaker 2 (06:15):
How why would it work? Though? If Super Smash, which
is also a T twenty competition, hasn't worked.

Speaker 4 (06:23):
Look when you say hasn't worked, I mean I think,
first of you know, I looked at the obviously recently,
you know, we're current Whiteven's World champions in the T twenty,
and that the men made the finals. So I don't
think it's it's not worked in a high performance sense.
It's just the fan centric piece that probably we've just
missed the boat on. So So what I like actually

(06:44):
about the the NZ twenty concept in many ways is
that I think it'll attract a lot of people that
have got experience, specifically at running international gigs, that come
from a really strong marketing background, that want to invest
and see their team do well. So all of a
sudden you've got this new energy coming into our support

(07:04):
into our sports. Sorry, and so that concept actually is
quite exciting. On top of that, you know, you'll have
you'll have probably regions that all of a sudden get excited,
you know, around a really key part of our summer
season that that say, well, we've got a lot of
people coming in. This could be a great opportunity to
support a new competition and cater to the new and

(07:25):
the fans that want to come and watch this game.
So that aspect excites me.

Speaker 2 (07:29):
Okay, so tell me what you think of this as
an idea. I've been thinking about this for a little while.
It seems to me that part of the problem that
we've got in sport in this country, and I'm talking
about rugby and cricket and netball in its own ways,
is that we are too small to actually pay the
pay packets that these people can get overseas. So we
have to come up with ideas like this, don't we
because otherwise we're going to lose them because we simply

(07:50):
cannot afford their salaries.

Speaker 3 (07:52):
Well, I think it's a really valid point.

Speaker 4 (07:55):
And another aspect of that is and something that I
think using a cricket made some rave decisions a number
of years ago around players playing in the IPL and
opening a window up for them to belve to do that.
But actually it's been the best thing that could have happened.
Our players have been exposed to these amazing high performance systems,
have been exposed to new coaches and rubbing shoulders with

(08:18):
elite players and learning the game far better at an
expense really or lack of expense that New Zealand Cricket
just wouldn't have been able to afford. So you know,
these are the sorts of things, the add ons that
a competition like this will create. And what I also
like is, you know, imagine if we then put on
top of that there's really good, high colorber international players
coming in and rubbing shoulders with some of our domestic

(08:40):
players along with our own Black Caps and White fans.
I mean that again in itself will create another generation,
another layer that we wouldn't have otherwise been able to achieve.
So dragging in new investment, hopefully even from a New
Zealand Ink point of view, you know, there could be
excitement around this where we're looking even beyond and we

(09:01):
look at sports diplomacy and how an all of New
Zealand approach around even government entities and the like can
get and those sorts of things excite me.

Speaker 3 (09:09):
And again, if you put on top of that some.

Speaker 4 (09:12):
International marketing horsepower, then it starts to the concept, starts
to really show why I think it's worth pursuing the opportunity.

Speaker 2 (09:23):
Interesting. I'm really interested to see where you go with this. Jeff,
thanks for talking to us, and best of luck with
the job that is Jeff Allot incoming CEO of New
Zealand Cricket if I remember correctly, he's starting in jun
or July. Hither are you sufficiently brave to comment on
the Mikey Sherman stuff? Yep, of course, Sam, we'll get
there eventually.

Speaker 1 (09:38):
Four seventeen, it's the Heather du Busy Allen Drive Full
Show podcast on iHeartRadio powered by News Talk ZB.

Speaker 2 (09:47):
Heather, what are you on about? There was no attempt
on Trump's life? Was the shooter if that's what it
even was anywhere near Trump? Nineteen past four?

Speaker 1 (09:55):
Good sport with generate celebrating great performances in sport. Key
we saver agaus.

Speaker 2 (10:01):
She would to Grave Sports Store, Coast tallow Dues. Hello, Heather,
did you like the cut of Jeff Allott's jib.

Speaker 6 (10:08):
I do like the cut of his jib. I've liked
it for quite some time. Helps that you know Canterbury
connections and you know, very very good at what he did,
and so on and so forth. And I'll find out
more about his jib cut. I'm going to get him
on my show up after seven o'clock because Aunt said, look,
I'm sorry, I've cut your lunch. I've got Jeff Allen

(10:28):
on and said, no, that's fine, I'm just going to
take another lunch somewhere else. So we'll expand more on
that and talk to him about the role.

Speaker 7 (10:36):
Well, what did you make of him?

Speaker 2 (10:38):
I quite liked him. He's obviously a thinker, and I
like people in that role because he's starting to talk
about sports, diplomacy and stuff like that, where this is
where a small country needs to work together on all
the facets try to get our brand out there. So
I like that.

Speaker 6 (10:50):
I it's been away for a while. The fact that
he was in and then he's come out again, I
think that's really keen. Yeah, it's ok looking from the outside,
only we look, I've been in there before, now we're coming.
He got his work cut out though, isn't he now?

Speaker 2 (11:03):
Listen, I totally agree with you. Thank the good Lord,
Chris green Ache has finally got the job that he
should have got ages ago.

Speaker 6 (11:10):
That to me also, it's going away that says, I'm
very interested in the sports world. It have been for
decades around loss and people's ability to cope with loss,
because it's inevitability in sport that you were going to
suffer defeats, You're going to suffer loss, You're going to
suffer disappointments. Now talk about jib cut. How well is

(11:31):
your jib cut after you've experienced that disappointment. He went
for the job when a Taliano got the job. Again,
he didn't get it. Did he pack us? Sad that?
He sulk me, Okay, that didn't work right? And I've
got him on the show tonight, So I ask him
about this. What happens now? How do you actually retool
yourself to get over that disappointment of that loss and

(11:53):
re establish him? What do you learn from that? Because
if you don't, you shouldn't be there. But he's a
guy who's been around here in two thousand and nine
with his wife.

Speaker 3 (12:04):
He's still here.

Speaker 6 (12:05):
He's got a kiddy here now he loves the place
because apparently Wellington on a good day it can't be beaten.

Speaker 2 (12:10):
And he's had at least five.

Speaker 6 (12:12):
Well he's done everything. I mean, like he's been a
striker for the team, he's played for years, he's been
an assistant coach, he's been part of the what's the
word I'm looking for, part of the academy, part of
the furniture. Sure, if you want to call him a
chaise lounge, knock yourself out.

Speaker 2 (12:29):
But do you say chaise longe?

Speaker 1 (12:31):
Do you?

Speaker 6 (12:31):
I just said that, then I would say Long's what
would you say?

Speaker 8 (12:38):
I always thought it was just a fancy kind of lounge.
So I don't know clearly, Chase Loude No.

Speaker 2 (12:43):
I think because I think leagues say it in this
song on the Shase Long on the same they don't
go on the chaise longe? Do they Shase Long, isn't it?

Speaker 6 (12:52):
I'd better look that up. I'm not France.

Speaker 2 (12:54):
I can't.

Speaker 6 (12:56):
I can't let you know about that. So yeah, Chris
Greenacre and a retreated version of Jeff Feller on the show.

Speaker 2 (13:04):
Thanks Dark Yeah wa a grave sports talk host back
at seven.

Speaker 1 (13:07):
It's four twenty three, the name you trust to get
the answers you need. It's Heather Dupi cl and drive
with one New Zealand coverage like no one else us
talk there be.

Speaker 2 (13:20):
Prime Minister's just announced that there is a deal that
the government has struck with z Energy in order to
procure ninety nine zero million liters of diesel which will
be stored at Marsden Point Oil Refinery. So we will
talk to Barry Sober when he's with us. He's with
us obviously in twenty minutes time. It's full twenty five, right,
Mikey Sherman. So it has been revealed today that there

(13:40):
is another incident involving Mikey Sherman, who is of course
the TVNZ in political editor. This incident. In this incident
is alleged that she called Lloyd Burr, another journalist who
was on TV three for a while, he was in
the press gallery for a while, called Lloyd Burr a
homophobic slur that starts with F and ends with T,
and that this happened at drinks in Nichola Willis's office

(14:03):
on the thirteenth of May last year. Apparently Nikola Willis
walked in. She'd gone out of the bathroom or something.
She walked in, she heard the word being thrown about
she shut down the party. Now I've known about this
for six months because somebody here at z B was
looking into it and I assisted them a little bit
in how and it basically it went unreported. There were
various hopes that had to be jumped through legally so

(14:25):
it couldn't be reported. But now it's been reported by
another by Annie O'Brien on her substack. So we've known
about this for six months. Press gallery I have known
about it for a year because many of them would
have been at the drinks. I can also tell you
that this is not the only incident that we were
aware of here at z B. There was another one
where Mikey Sherman ripped into another junior reporter in the
press gallery at a bar, which I became aware of

(14:46):
people who witnessed it. One person who witnessed he told
me it was really horrible to watch happened. So that's
at least two incidents. And then on Friday I was
telling you that Mikey Sherman was the journalist who was
standing outside Stuart Smith's store and knocking on the door
of his office at night, thirty at night for apparently
ten minutes straight. Now, apparently Mikey is not answering her
phone today. TV ins It are saying they will not

(15:07):
comment on employment matters. We will discuss this later on.
If Farry's got something to say about it, he can.
Otherwise we'll cover it off in about an hour's time. Again,
News is next and their muriols.

Speaker 1 (15:26):
You've in on your smart speaker, on the iHeart app
and in your car on your drive home it's Heather
Duplice Ellen drive with one New Zealand and the power
of satellite mobile news talks.

Speaker 9 (15:42):
They'd be Suny.

Speaker 3 (15:44):
You can Conda Condon.

Speaker 2 (15:48):
Feeling press gallery is known for years. Zby has known
for six months. What the hell any other country would
have such outdated behavior, particularly by a state broadcaster, talk
about protecting your own, getting quite a few texts say
they're protecting your own. It is absolutely a fair conclusion
to reach. You don't know the full story yet, so
just stand by before you rush to that conclusion and

(16:08):
we'll talk about it. Before half past five. Listen to
the government. You will have caught up on this by now.
The government is considering loosening up restrictions on the trucking
industry to help them save fuel, given that we've got
the fuel crisis with RAN and so on. Anyway, changes
include things like relaxing the weight restrictions so they can
carry more, allowing overnight travel, allowing more roads to be
used by the large trucks who are supposed to take
all these kind of weird detours. Anyway, what I'm interested

(16:31):
in it I could be wrong here, but my understanding
is we're waiting until we move to level two for
this to kick in. Well, I don't understand why we
don't just do it now. If the point is that
it's going to save fuel, surely the smart thing to
do would be to do it now, because not only
for the sake of us saving fuel, but presumably also
because all of these trucking companies who are paying such
huge rates the moment for fuel would be able to

(16:54):
kind of just save a little bit of money, which
I imagine they would need. Anyway, we'll have a chat
to the National Carriers Association where who'll be with us
after five? Barry Sobers standing by, He's with us in
ten minutes. It's twenty four away from five.

Speaker 1 (17:05):
It's the world wires on news talks they'd be drive.

Speaker 2 (17:09):
So the so called shooter in the latest assassination attempt
against Donald Trump has been changed. If he's convicted, he's
facing life in prison. The US Attorney for the District
of Columbia says the man posted a manifesto before the
so called attack.

Speaker 10 (17:24):
You know, you can look at it and read it
and it may seem kind of la la lah. But
at the end, make no mistake, he says, I am
targeting the administration officials.

Speaker 2 (17:35):
They are my.

Speaker 10 (17:35):
Targets, and I'm prioritizing from the top down.

Speaker 2 (17:39):
The German Chancellor, Frederick Mr. Says he's caused a bit
of trouble and he's given the US government to serve
Over the Iran War. He says the whole thing was
badly planned. The Americans clearly have no strategy. And the
problem with conflicts like this is always that it's not
enough just to get in. You also have to get out.

Speaker 10 (17:56):
We saw that all too painful in Afghanistan for twenty years,
sighting in Iraq.

Speaker 2 (18:01):
And finally, two members of the Ohio state government have
put forward a bill to recognize the Loveland Frogman as
Ohio's official state cryptid. The Frogman is a four foot
tall frog that stands on two legs. As with all cryptids,
there's no actual proof it really exists, but people in
Ohio have reported sightings of the Frogman since nineteen seventy two.

(18:24):
Before you book a plane ticket to go hunt for
the Loveland Frogman yourself. The man behind one of the
original sightings has come forward in twenty sixteen has said
it was actually just an.

Speaker 1 (18:31):
Iguana International correspondence with ends and eye insurance peace of
mind for New Zealand business.

Speaker 2 (18:39):
Or it was an epic acid trip he was on
twenty two away from five and Murray olds is with
us Alo Mars. Yes, very So what is the what
ideas has the opposition in your part of the world
come up with?

Speaker 5 (18:50):
Read the fuel Well's look, it's it's going to be
pretty appealing, I think, at least on the surface, and
makes it makes me ay good sense. The opposition says,
we have to double our fuel stocks jet fuel, petrol
and diesel, double them from thirty to sixty days and
extra billion liters of storage capacity. Drivers would pay an

(19:11):
extra one cent a liter, according to the opposition, to
pay for this. The opposition says it would cost around
six billion dollars. The government says you're cracking jokes, will
be more than three times as much. But anyway you
cut it, it's going to appeal to a lot of
people over here because it's just plainers and nose in
your face. We don't have enough reserves if it ever
came to war. Wouldn't be hard to shut Australia down.

(19:32):
You just blockade the place, stop fuel coming in. There's
only two places fuel can go in Australia to get refined.
You just to block that, and then you shut down
all the ATMs remotely, and we're bugging. The policy proposal
will get some seed funding from taxpayers in the form
of loans worth around eight hundred million dollars. These would
go to private sector operators who would then build these things.

(19:56):
It really has exposed, Heather the frigidity of our energy
secure already over here, certainly in terms of fuel security.
So we've only got two refineries left. Eight were closed
down in the early two thousands. Not as I suggested
a couple of weeks back to you by the opposition.
It was more a function of economics. They could do
it a heck of a lot cheaper up at Asia

(20:17):
and we can buy the refined fuel in from there.

Speaker 2 (20:20):
What are the concerns that you guys have about Britain
meeting its August community commitments.

Speaker 5 (20:24):
Well, there's not so much as as much as the
British Parliament. The British Parliament and has had an inquiry
lasted twelve months and it's basically saying this and I'm
not sure that we can actually help Australia get nuclear
powered submarines. The findings have been released overnight in the UK.
The report itself was broadly supportive of the idea that Australia,

(20:47):
the United States and Great Britain get together and provide
this level of security to terrant call it what you
will in the remote Pacific, far far from Britain. But
the capacity, the commitment enormous scale. From as far as
Britain's concerned, it's not pretty. Britain and Australia are working

(21:09):
together to design and then build a brand new class
of nuclear powered attack submarines. They're going to come into
service late twenty thirties, early twenty forties. But now there
are queries about whether the UK actually has the ability
how to do this and the sustained political will and funding.
So it's a bit like that with the United States,

(21:30):
you know, the Pentagon saying we're not sure we can
actually give you any submarines because we simply don't have
the capacity ourselves. This is an enormous Look, it's about
four hundred billion dollars in today's dollars. You can double that,
can't you. It's just going to be ridiculously expensive when
you look at the drones that are being used around
the world now to whiz, it's a heck of a

(21:50):
lot cheaper.

Speaker 2 (21:51):
And it does feel like it's yesterday's It feels like
yesterday's warfare, doesn't it.

Speaker 5 (21:56):
I agree with you, you know, but there are any there
are us numbers of articles in the paper that say,
you know, nuclear power submarines can lie off the of
the off the Taiwan straight, you know, for weeks and
months at a time, just sitting there silently as in
a terrant to China coming down here and saying, oh.

Speaker 3 (22:17):
We quite like what we see down here. Sydney real estate,
I suppose.

Speaker 2 (22:20):
It's fair point mars, thank you as always look after
yourself for chat. In a couple of days. Murray Old's
Australia correspondent eighteen away.

Speaker 1 (22:26):
From five together du see Ellen, Oh.

Speaker 2 (22:29):
Gosh, Heather. Basic physics says that more weight on a
truck will mean more energy brackets diesel required to make
it move. This won't save any feel Thank you, Jose,
Thank you, Jason, Thank you Jason. I don't know if
Jason thinks I'm an idiot or not. Does it felt
like one of those patronizing texts, doesn't it, Jason? It's
not the only con weight. Increasing the weight is not

(22:49):
the only consideration, Jason. The other consideration is also allowing
the trucks to drive at nate and also giving them detours.
Now detours would mean that they would be able to
get from A to B faster thereby using fewer less
fuel in it, and driving at night, I would assume
would also burn less fuel because you're not sitting in
traffic just you know, idlength. I don't know. Would you

(23:11):
like to come back to me with the physics on
that one? Thanks mate. Now, I'll tell you what I
noticed when I was watching the old assassinate so cooled
assassination attempt last night on the Telly is that that
place has got awful carpet. Did you notice that that
was nasty carpet? To be honest with you, I don't
really know how you carpet a big space, like a

(23:31):
big kind of ballroom in a really big hotel. How
you carpet it to look nice. I feel like you've
got to go for you really have to go old
school style, like wooden floors and then a lot of
rugs to break up that acostic. But the minute you
lay full wall to wall carpet, it just looks tacky,
as like it's some sort of like leftover from the nineties.
But then the pattern. H I don't even know what

(23:52):
to do. But anyway, a couple of people in the
room with the president during that assassination attempt a trending online.
The first guy is a guy called Mike Glance who's
a senior talent agent, and somebody spotted him in the
corner of one of the videos, the videos that was
capturing what was going on, and he's sitting at this table,
and instead of everybody else around him is freaking out,
turning around trying to see what's going on, getting up,

(24:12):
moving around, he just sits back in his chair and
continues to eat his salad and watches everything going on
around him. He said he was. Then somebody contact him like,
why were you so chill? He said, I'm a New Yorker.
We live with sirens and activity happening all the time.
I wasn't scared. There are hundreds of secret servants agents
hurtling themselves over tables and chairs, and I wanted to watch,

(24:33):
ha ha ha. He also said he's got a bad back,
so there's no way he was going to give it
get under the table even if he wanted to. Plus,
there was no freaking way I was getting in my
new tucks on the dirty Hilton floor. It was not
happening because the carpet was heady, as he thought so too.
The other person who's trending is the lady who walks through.
A shot from it appears to be from the dais

(24:53):
where Trump and them were sitting. The shot captures the
lady walking across, going up to a table, picking up
an unopen bottle of champage a bottle of red wine,
inspecting it and going yep, those are good, and off
she goes with it. One one is trending for good reasons,
the other one, at least so quarter.

Speaker 1 (25:08):
Two politics with centrics credit, check your customers and get
payments certainty, whether.

Speaker 2 (25:14):
I bet he was eating a Waldorf salad and therefore
it is not to be left fair point thirteen away
from five barries. So per senior political correspondence with us
hallo barring, I've already outed you is not believing that
there was an assassination attempt on Donald Trump. Well, I
was reading theory no, because I knew you'd.

Speaker 7 (25:29):
Probably raise that. Knowing you that, I went in and
read more about the injury that allegedly occurred to his
ear when.

Speaker 2 (25:37):
I left the previous assassination, the earlier one.

Speaker 7 (25:40):
Yeah, and it didn't require stitches, so perhaps that's why.

Speaker 6 (25:45):
So he's upside DoD.

Speaker 2 (25:47):
You have like a blood capsule in his hand. Do
you think that he clapped his head and made as.

Speaker 7 (25:50):
There's all sorts of parents about that one, but the
other one and of course it's destroyed by Easter weekend
seeing you know the kerfuffle at the Foreign Correspondence did
it because it's pristig it's event. Trump has never been
invited to it before, so this was the first time

(26:12):
he was there and this happened, And you know I
was watching looking at social media of all the video
that came out, and after he has skid it off
the front stage by secret serviceman, there was a gap
and a curtain about five minutes later, and there was
Donald Trump standing there looking at what was going on

(26:33):
in front of him.

Speaker 2 (26:34):
So what's that proof of Well.

Speaker 7 (26:36):
It's you know, I would have thought that if there
was an assassination attempt on a president, that he would
have been whisked away to the safety of the White
House or a bunker somewhere, not standing around watching what's going.

Speaker 2 (26:51):
Barry, Like I said earlier, I'm not going to take
the mickey out of you for your weird conspiracy theories.
I'm just going to celebrate that you having an independent thought.

Speaker 7 (27:00):
Well, look, any I don't never make light of any
because I think they're.

Speaker 2 (27:06):
Terrible, but a fake one we can make light of.

Speaker 7 (27:09):
Well, we can make light of what other people think
about it.

Speaker 2 (27:12):
But of course, okay, let's carry on. I want to
talk about this new diesel. You also explain this to me.

Speaker 7 (27:16):
Well, fascinating me today that standing on the stage with
Nikola Willis and Chris Luxon was Shane Jones, And of
course he got all that trouble last week after suggesting
that Nikola Willis had lost a lot of weight, and
here he was standing alongside her. But he did apologize

(27:36):
for that, of course. But look the Finance Minister, Nichola Willis.
She says the new deal with Z will take the
pressure off, particularly because it deals with diesel. And I
think one thing we've learned out of this crisis is
that diesel is so vital to our economy. Now it
involves ninety million liters of diesel.

Speaker 5 (27:58):
Here she is.

Speaker 11 (27:59):
That is equivalent to about nine days of supplies. So
on top of the twenty one days or so of
diesel already in storage in the country, it adds around
fifty percent to our reserve buffer. The diesel will be
stored in the tank that's being refurbished by Channel Infrastructure
at Marsden Point and it will be supplied by Zed Energy.

(28:21):
Zen Energy was selected following a contestable procurement process in
which a number of it is put forward proposals to
provide extra reserves of fuel. That procurement process ultimately whittled
down to two.

Speaker 7 (28:38):
So the deal and what it means for Z is
being kept under wraps. But that's what it was all about.
And interestingly, Chris Luxen was asked questions about TV and
Z and the TOVA thing and the next allegation that
came about, and he wasn't prepared to talk about it.

Speaker 2 (28:55):
And what he wouldn't talk about it at all.

Speaker 7 (28:57):
Well, he said, he explained last week why he was
getting out of the Breakfast Television thing. He wouldn't comment
on the Mikey Sherman thing and the latest thing at TBNZ.
And I've got to say either really that you know, journalists,
one journalist calling another effect. You know, that's you know,

(29:18):
sort of stuff that goes on in the background of
probably many institutions in New Zealand. And I'm not saying
for one minute it's right, and it's certainly not right.
In the Minister of Finances offers Nikola Will has confirmed it,
of course and said that you know, she called the
party to an end and she's not holding a pre
budget party this year. So I think journalists now have

(29:41):
shot themselves in the foot.

Speaker 2 (29:43):
Okay, question without repeating the word if you don't mind, Barry,
now that we know what it.

Speaker 7 (29:46):
Is, well, you know, I mean it's an offensive word.

Speaker 2 (29:48):
Now we've just done it once, so that's another you
don't mind. But do you think though, that Mikey Sherman
can survive this, given the fact that this will have
to her credibility quite a lot.

Speaker 7 (30:01):
Well, I think the worst thing was banging on Stuart
Smith's door for ten minutes solid and saying if you
don't come out, it's going to look well.

Speaker 6 (30:11):
I think that's a worse on breakfast.

Speaker 2 (30:12):
Sorry, you think that's a worse offense.

Speaker 7 (30:14):
I think it's a worse offense than this. I mean,
you know, I mean I don't excuse it at all,
and I know them both. I know mikeay Schuman, I
know Lloyd Burr very well, and you know it's unacceptable
behavior anywhere, and particularly in a minister's office. I mean
it was in Balamies maybe you could get through it
pretty quickly, but not there, not where where it happened.

Speaker 2 (30:35):
Barry, thank you appreciate that very much. It's Barry Soper,
Senior political correspondent, eight away from five.

Speaker 1 (30:41):
The headlines and the hard questions. It's the mic asking breakfast.

Speaker 6 (30:45):
It's over the line.

Speaker 9 (30:46):
The end of FTA has been signed.

Speaker 12 (30:48):
Todd mcclay's the Trade Minister in Deli's what do you
expect trouble and Select Committee or not.

Speaker 4 (30:52):
Now I don't.

Speaker 13 (30:53):
Labour's has supported it, which is very helpful the interest
in the public because it's a big ideal the.

Speaker 9 (30:58):
Indian government that I with to kind of get it
in place quickly.

Speaker 12 (31:01):
As possible, to tear the Prime Minister as well as
is there anything in there to give them some traction?

Speaker 3 (31:06):
Absolutely nice.

Speaker 14 (31:07):
We've gone through all the conversations as we've had to
happen publicly with New Zealand first and Labor pretty straightforward.
This is an incredibly good deal. It means that over
half our exports from day one. Actually a tarafrea gets
up to eighty two percent once it's been fully implemented.

Speaker 3 (31:19):
So we're not going to regret this at all.

Speaker 12 (31:20):
Back tomorrow at six am the Mic Hosking Breakfast with
a Vida News talk z b Hi.

Speaker 2 (31:26):
Heather, You and Barry both have tds haha, so so direct.
Don't put me, no, don't put me in the same
category as Barry. I think these assassination attempts are real.
I am choosing to believe that he's the one who's
gone off on his weird tangent, although I will remind
you with a lot of other people. By the looks
of things. Heather just curious that the first lady ducks
under the table before the shooting starts, isn't it, Heather,

(31:48):
I'm no on that one agrees with me. Actually, never mind,
Heather totally agree with Barry and thousands of others Trump.
Trump is known to be a coward, and yet he
showed no fear in all three of the so called attempts.
It just always see SEMs to happen when it needs
attention diverted to. For example, from the Epstein Farci, I mean,
I don't you know, I don't. I don't. I make

(32:08):
no habit of defending that Barry soaper and is weird TDS.
But on this occasion he does find himself in some
considerable company of people who have all gone down the
same rabbit or do you know what they're doing? They're
spending too much time on Twitter. I reckon Barry has
developed a quiet Twitter habit because he does spend an
awful amount of time just sitting there scrolling on his phone,
and I reckon, I reckon he's got Elon Musk has

(32:28):
targeted him with some weird algorithm or something, and now
he's gone down and so he doesn't even think it's weird.
He doesn't even think it's weird to sit on a
national radio show and go, yeah, the assassination attempts weren't
real anyway. Listen. Advertisers, advertisers who are interested in advertising
around TV sports have now got a third option. So
of course you've got the Sky TV, got the TV

(32:50):
and Z. Now you've got the ESPN because Disney Plus
has announced that there will be a ten dollars subscription
plan with ads and the Australian people who working for
their Moustralasian team aging the start basically selling local ad packages.
These guys have got some pretty good sports. I've got
all the American sports, the basketball, the baseball, you know,
the football, all that kind of stuff. They've got some
T twenty cricket as well. So we'll have a chat

(33:10):
to dunk and grieve of the spinoff in about twenty
minutes time. We're going to have a chat next to
delete the Fonsaca of the business desk. Teim. He's been
reading the Indian FTA text, so he'll get us across
all of the cur little things in there and then
Mikey Sherman. We will deal with before the half hours
through news doorgs.

Speaker 5 (33:27):
dB DU.

Speaker 1 (33:31):
Pressing the newsmakers to get the real story. It's Heather
duper cl and drive with one New Zealand to coverage
like no one else News Dogs VB.

Speaker 5 (33:41):
Good afternoon.

Speaker 2 (33:42):
The full text of New Zealand's fair trade agreement with
India has now been unveiled. The deal, which was signed
last night, was tabled in Parliament today, which makes of
course all the contents public for the first time. Business
Desk Senior journalist Deleeper Fon Saca has been reading through
the files and is with us. I delete that HI
have any surprises in there.

Speaker 15 (33:58):
No no measor surprise. But then again, I also think
that some of the debates that people are having, this
is not necessarily going to clear the disagreements that people
have been having over.

Speaker 2 (34:07):
The agreement because there is a clause in there isn't
there that says that we cannot impose any numerical limits
on the number of Indian migrants coming into New Zealand.

Speaker 15 (34:16):
Well, are numerical limits on yes, students and yeah, and
there's a reference to those you know, the the categories
of migrants that temporary entry visa that's also in there.
You know, it's the numbers, as they said in maximum
kind of five thousand in any one year. And yes, no,
no numerical limits on the student numbers.

Speaker 2 (34:38):
But we can of course. So the people are going
to look at that if they just read the text
and they go there we go. It's just like it's
going to be a flood of what did Shane Jones say?
But of course we can. We can tweak it at
the visa settings, can't we, So we can actually control
the numbers.

Speaker 15 (34:51):
Yeah, so this is the issue. Like even though there's
a reference to this non numerical limits, there is also
also reference that all the students have to be eligible.
Can change the rules of eligibility totally.

Speaker 2 (35:02):
So we retain our sovereignty on that. Is there an
obligation on us to invest billions into India or is
it a very soft obligation?

Speaker 15 (35:09):
Well, this is this is the This is going to
be an interesting one. That clause definitely exists, whether it
is for promotion or you know, well, it's definitely not
compelling the government to invest the money, right, this is
about the government promoting investment into India. And it does
specifically mention US twenty billion dollars. And it does also

(35:32):
have a mechanism at the end of the fifteen years
where India goes through a process of you know, it
kind of goes to a committee and then India at
the end of it is still not satisfied, can basically
rebalance or do remediation as.

Speaker 2 (35:47):
In clawback the basically, right, is this just the get
out of jail free card if the whole FTA actually
doesn't go in their favor and the public hates.

Speaker 15 (35:54):
It, Yeah, well, this is I think an interesting part
about doing negotiating in FTA with India, Right, India doesn't
actually want free trade in the way that we understand it.
They want balanced trade. That's my kind of understanding of
a lot of it. So in the words, just what well,
which is, you know, we don't want to give too
much market access and not have something on the other
end for ourselves kind of thing. Right, So if they
they viewed at the end of the fifteen years that oh, hey,

(36:17):
you know, you guys exported so much ki food and
everything into our country and we didn't really get much
from it, that none of that investment really happened. I
mean I would I would interpret that as being like,
you know, the Indians will put a bit of pressure
on Okay, So.

Speaker 2 (36:30):
But as you say, it's not going to settle. The
people who don't like it are still not going to
like it right after reading.

Speaker 15 (36:35):
This, Yeah, basically, and the people who people who have
been seeing that it's about promotion, they also have to
they can point to phrases in this agreement that they're
backed themselves up.

Speaker 2 (36:43):
Yeah, Delipa, thank you very much for doing all that
hard work for us. As sleep upon sake a senior
business desk journalist. It's ten past five.

Speaker 3 (36:49):
Ever, do for see right.

Speaker 2 (36:50):
The government is considering loosening rules for big trucks in
a bid to save fuel as the surround crisis drags on.
Changes include relaxing weight restrictions, allowing overnight travel, opening more
roads to large trucks. James Smith is the National Road
Carriers is with the National Road Carriers rather and is
with us now. Hi, James Credens Heather, how much fuel
do you think this is going to save?

Speaker 16 (37:12):
Well, it really depends on how what exactly comes out
in the firm policies. So it could save some around
the margins. But it is going to be around the margins.

Speaker 17 (37:25):
Is it.

Speaker 2 (37:25):
So the detours seemed to me to be one of
the smarter things that might save more fuel. Not really
that significant.

Speaker 16 (37:31):
Well, it's only a small number of vehicles that are
that are caught up by those restrictions. So the vehicles
that are doing over dimension loads that currently can't you know,
they can't use motorways, for example, and this change would
allow them to do that, so that they would obviously
use less fuel if they can travel straight down the
motorway instead of winding their way through local streets.

Speaker 2 (37:51):
Do you accept this is going to cause more potholes?

Speaker 16 (37:54):
No, not at all. It's again it depends at how
much is in the actual detail. But no, it doesn't
necessarily result in increased roadway is it.

Speaker 2 (38:08):
I mean, isn't it doesn't that stand? Isn't it logical
that it would that you have you have heavier vehicles
using roads that they weren't previously used, therefore it might
cause potholes on those roads.

Speaker 16 (38:18):
No, well, it only if you take it to the extreme.
So so again it comes down to if you're operating
within the existing excel mess limits and all you're doing
is increasing the total at the end the eccle pavements
aren't aren't going to be aren't going to notice the
difference If you're doing the job with one truck that

(38:39):
you used to do with two, then again you're not
necessarily going to end up as a total with an
increase in wear and tear.

Speaker 2 (38:48):
Now should we be doing this right now instead of
waiting for level two?

Speaker 16 (38:54):
Absolutely we should have. We should have done this ten
years ago.

Speaker 2 (38:59):
So it's see the final castasies. It can't be permanent, well,
a lot.

Speaker 16 (39:05):
Of the stuff could be, so there is move where
where we should be looking at this? Is this in
the long term best interest to increase our productivity and
to lift the GDP for New Zealand. The answer to
that question is yes, then it needs to be in
it and we need to lock it in and keep
it in.

Speaker 2 (39:23):
It's a fair argument. James, thanks very much, appreciate it.
James Smith, who is with the National Road Carriers together
do for ce Ellen. I don't know what's going to
come of this, but I'm drawing this to your attention
because maybe something will come of it. The Electricity Authority
is asking power companies why the hiking price is by
so much so households are now facing about eight percent
price rises on average right now ahead of this winter.

(39:46):
And that comes on top of last year's eight percent.
And I think we can all look at eight plus
eight and go, that's pretty that's a lot to be
putting on the electricity. Look at your electricity bill. You
know it's high. Now, of course the power prices. The
power industry says, oh, look it's the line charges. This
is the thing they keep telling us. It's the line charge.
Has got nothing to do with us, We have to
pass it on. And the electricity Authority says, look, we
know that the line charges are increasing this year, but

(40:08):
it doesn't fully explain the price hikes because the line
charges only account for about one half to two thirds
of the price hikes. So what is what explains the rest?
That's what they're trying to find out now. Cynically, I
think this is just probably going to amount to some
letter writing and probably nothing else, but fingers crossed. Maybe
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Speaker 1 (41:16):
Do for cla Yeah.

Speaker 2 (41:17):
The stress on arterial road pavement in New Zealand is
proportional to the fourth power of axl loads, So if
you increase the axle load by twenty percent, you increase
the stress on the road by one hundred and eighty
eight percent. You're welcome, thanks Mike. I actually knew that
for seventeen past five. Now to the advertising dollar, looks
like there is more pressure on the advertising dollar available
for sports broadcast. Disney Plus is now offering local ad

(41:40):
packages in New Zealand for its sports brand ESPN. The
spinoff founder and media commentator Duncan grievers with us. Now, Hi, Duncan,
Hi hede, how are you? I'm well, thank you mate.
Is this going to cut the lunch of SkyTV and
TV in z.

Speaker 18 (41:55):
Well, it's not helpful, as I think. You know that
it's a premium sports you know, which is Sky's case
and sometimes tvns's they run the same you know, sporting contests,
and now there's just another way for advertisers to to
kind of reach that audience. And in Sky's case, not

(42:16):
only is it impacting the advertising, but you know, they've
launched the ad supported tier at nine ninety nine according
to a Business Desk report, So it's it's quite a
lot below the you know, the entry level Sky Sky
Sports packages as well.

Speaker 2 (42:34):
Yeah, but then again it's for I mean, how many
lobills are you going to have on I don't know,
baseball basketball, American football.

Speaker 18 (42:43):
Through digital platforms. Initially, I don't you know. I think
you're probably right it will be relatively trivial. But I
think American sports are globalizing in the same way that
like country music is. You know, the having platforms that
are globally facing means that things which work there more
regional activities, you know, especially when they've got social media

(43:05):
platforms for promote promotion. You're just seeing a lot of
more New Zealander, especially younger in New Zealanders, kind of
looking at those sports which once almost had a mortal
lock on.

Speaker 2 (43:17):
It's kind of the problem that our traditional sports like
cricket and netball and rugby have as there being crowded
out by these American sports that are becoming more popular.

Speaker 18 (43:26):
I think it's probably the biggest issue. I think they
were effectively almost not quite monopolies, but near monopoly incumbents
that had a whole you know that they had a
mote as wide as the Tasman around them in terms
of TV and radio that talked about them all time,
and they didn't have many other entertainment options. If you
think about the new world now with YouTube and Instagram

(43:50):
and TikTok being the ways in rugby doesn't have any
kind of hold over them. So, you know, I think
that the competition for anyone who's interested in sports, it's
just so much high. And you think about something like
the Super Bowl, how enormous that felt this year with
the halftime show, Like it's really hard to compete with

(44:10):
that scale.

Speaker 2 (44:11):
Yeah, it's a fair point that you make. Duncan, Thanks
for having a chat to us about it. Duncan grieve
spin off founder. Now, there was a little bit of
hope earlier today that maybe the Strait of Hormus would
be getting to a place where perhaps it could be
opening again, because Iran has offered to reopen it. Trump
though has shot that down by the looks of things,
apparently doesn't love Iran's plan, because he would in order

(44:32):
to it would be a quid propo, right, So Iran
would open the Strait of Hormus if he would end
the blockade. But the problem for him is it doesn't
address the nukes. He's got them right now, He's got
them in a tough position, so he wants to get
as much out of them as possible. They want to
leave this as Irun. They want to leave the nukes
chat until after the straight is opened. But because he's
got them in a little bit of a tough spot,
he wants to deal with that now while they'll be

(44:52):
while they're being squeezed economically. So yeah, any hope it
would happen quickly, not at all. Five twenty one, cutting
through noise to get the facts.

Speaker 1 (45:01):
It's Heather do for c Ellen drive with one New
Zealand coverage like no one else news talks.

Speaker 2 (45:07):
They'd be the James Smith is talking a load of bs.
The bigger the truck, the bigger the damage. Roads aren't
built to take sixty eight ton trucks. Most of them
were designed to take forty two forty two ton obviously.
Five twenty four. Now let's talk about Mikey Sherman. I
don't know how Mikey Sherman retains her job as TVNZ's
political editor after the revelation that she called another journalist

(45:28):
a homophobic slow slur starting with f at drinks in
Nikola Olis's office last year. I mean, think about this, right,
if that was a cabinet minister who had used the
F word on somebody else who was gay, they would
lose their job. Andrew Bailey for example, lost his job
for pulling a loser sign with his fingers on his forehead,
which is far less now. Obviously it doesn't stop Mikey

(45:50):
being able to do her job. She can technically still
do it, but I don't know that she still has
the credibility to be able to do it, especially after
I told you about this incident, and then also that
it's not the only time she's had a verbal altercation
with another journalist and a drinking setter setting that has
shocked others and has caused rumors to go around Wellington,
and especially after the incident last week where she knocked

(46:11):
on Stuart Smith's store the National Party MP, allegedly for
ten minutes at nine point thirty at night. I do
not envy TV and Z in this situation. It is
election year. They've got two very hard choices. They can
either tough it out with her or they can get
rid of her.

Speaker 17 (46:25):
Now.

Speaker 2 (46:25):
If they tough it out with her, they're going to
have some trouble next time an MP gets themselves into
hot water defending Mikey Sherman holding that MP to account
when she has survived a slur that an MP would
not survive. But if they get rid of her an
election year, they need somebody in a hurry, and who
are they going to promote? Are they going to promote
her second in charge Benedict Collins? Is that going to

(46:45):
solve the problem after the fact he's shot himself in
the foot with the crime story Debarkle recently, I don't
enjoy I had a text earlier saying, what are you
trying to ruin her career? I don't enjoy saying this
about Mikey. I thought she was actually very good at
her job. Her analysis was bad. I realized not everybody
loved her, but I actually enjoyed watching her. I also
don't enjoy that this is the second show in a

(47:06):
row that I'm talking about another member of the media her.
So it could look like this is competitive bitchiness. What
this actually is, though, is it's holding ourselves as media
to the same standards that we hold others, the members
of Parliament. If Andrew Bailey could not get away with less,
can Mikey Sherman honestly get away with this?

Speaker 1 (47:23):
Heather duper see Ellen.

Speaker 5 (47:25):
A lot of the.

Speaker 2 (47:25):
Texts coming through to me are accusing us all of
protecting each other. Now, to some extent I have to
say that that is fair. It is not fair, but
it's also fair, So it is not fair in terms
of ourselves here at news Talk ZIB somebody at newstalg
ZB and I won't name names that can out themselves
if they want to, but they were investigating this, and
they started investigating a few months ago. It was at
the end of last year. So I was told about it,

(47:46):
and I've been aware of it for six months because
they were talking to me just as in the capacity
of you know, how do you stitch how do you
prove that this thing happened? And because I've done a
lot of proving of stories before, I was helping them out.
I walked away from it at the point that I
realized that we were going to have difficulty getting this
over the line legally, because you know what a lawyers
like lawyer is a conservative and it was just it

(48:07):
was getting hard and so I just left it and
it just came to nothing in the end, and it
was broken by somebody else. We were not protecting Mikey Schuman.
We genuinely tried to get this out there. However, what
I can tell you is that when we were looking
into it, the press gallery got in touch and they
were not happy about it at all. They were not
happy about the fact that this might come out now.
They may have had some very good reason for not

(48:28):
being happy about it, in that they often get together
and drink. I was in the press gallery. I'd get
together and drink, and we didn't always behave ourselves well.
And I'm not always proud of the things that I
did as a very young person, getting on the rams
in the press gallery. And perhaps they looked at it
and they thought, you know what, she got a bit booze.
Maybe I don't know, they were cutting her some slack.

(48:48):
I just think that there is a point at which
you have to stop tolerating bad behavior from people and
start realizing it hurts other people. And I wonder if
that line was crossed anyway.

Speaker 1 (48:58):
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Speaker 2 (49:20):
What I'm not clear about is whether so this event
where Mikey Schumann made the slur allegedly happened May thirteen,
just before the budget Life Like Nicola williss Ha had
some some press gallery budget drinks, pre budget drinks or
something like that. There is some chat that because of
that event, Nikola isn't hosting any more drinks for the media.

(49:41):
I'm not sure that that is true, Like, I literally
don't know. Is it true? Is it not true? She's
with us after six, we'll have a chat to her
about it. And we've got the huddle standing by right now.
It's twenty four away from six.

Speaker 5 (49:49):
Now.

Speaker 2 (49:50):
A statue which was planned for a Korean garden in
Auckland has been stopped. The statue is a memorial honoring
women who were forced into sexual slavery by the Japanese
army during World War two. South Korean woman obviously, and
it was gifted to New Zealand and New Zealand by
a Korean NGO, but the embassy, the Japanese embassy objected
to it, and so the local board has just killed
the idea. Today, Trish Dean's is the Devonport Takapuna local

(50:12):
board chain is with us high trash Hi have that hello,
what is the reason for you guys having killed off
the statue idea?

Speaker 19 (50:20):
Well, I think you have to have a little bit
of that background to this. Initially, we have a grand
garden about twenty twenty one, and we accepted the garden.
I wasn't yes. I was on the boarder that stage
on the basis that it was an acknowledgment of the
Korean and New Zealand Veterans War, and we were really

(50:41):
supporting that as a landmark. Only the next local board
comes along and assists that Korean initiative just to have
a really a white stone and contributed one hundred and
forty four thousand. So now we get to our local board.
What happened was this particular Korean group, not all Koreans

(51:04):
degree in this particular trust, came along and said we
want to put a statue there, and they went to
Land Advisory and Council. Now they weren't clear about what
the statue was, and so although they got permission for
land advisory, it was soon found out that wasn't appropriate
and they had to come to the board. So it's

(51:25):
been a long tangled mess in a sense. Also in
the more recent submission process that we took out to
when had responses six hundred and thirty two individuals, it
wasn't clear. Also, the Korean Trust didn't make it clear
that they wanted a a plaque on the statue, so

(51:46):
it kind of unfolded bits and pieces which weren't helpful
at all. But the key question is is this appropriate
for a park reserve in our local board area. I
understand fan the atrocity, there's no denying that, but as
local board, the majority of members thought we wanted to

(52:08):
keep it as a war memorial. And really, when you
are you know, the sense that we should be a
peaceful world, not always come back to look at the
statue and what it meant.

Speaker 2 (52:24):
Why is it not appropriate to have it there?

Speaker 19 (52:30):
Why is it not because it's it's a political statement
and it's definitely a political statement from a Korean group
about Korean women in particular, and it is actrocity. But
it's in New Zealand. Do we need to recognize that atrocity?
Do we need not to just say in our local

(52:51):
parts our reserves, we just simply want peaceful statements about
our events that happen.

Speaker 2 (53:00):
Okay, Trish, thank you very much, really appreciate your time.
Christiane's Devenport Takapuna Local board chair twenty one away from
six the Huddle with.

Speaker 1 (53:06):
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Speaker 2 (53:11):
Well this evening Morris Williamson, Auckland councilor, former National Party minister,
and Josephgani child fun Chief executive.

Speaker 16 (53:17):
Are you too, hi, Josie.

Speaker 2 (53:20):
That's a fair point, isn't it, Morris. We don't need
to get involved in everybody's bloody.

Speaker 20 (53:23):
Wars, do we.

Speaker 13 (53:25):
No. I don't think it's that big a deal though.
I mean, look, there are all sorts of memorials to
wars all around the world that you can go to.
And you go to Pearl Harbor, you'll see the sunk
battleship lying on the base of the ocean. I mean,
I don't think you should.

Speaker 2 (53:39):
Ever think, isn't.

Speaker 5 (53:42):
Well.

Speaker 13 (53:42):
We were involved in the Korean War for goodness sake, Yeah, but.

Speaker 2 (53:44):
We weren't involved in the Korean Japanese spat wio.

Speaker 13 (53:47):
We No, No, that's true.

Speaker 5 (53:52):
Yeah.

Speaker 13 (53:52):
Look, I don't think it's a big deal. It wouldn't
worry me one way or the other.

Speaker 20 (53:55):
It's not funny, but it is a little bit.

Speaker 2 (53:58):
Josie, you're making it for someone. What do you think, jose.

Speaker 20 (54:04):
Well, I just listened to that interview. I respect what
she's saying, let me say that, But I just think
she's sounding a little bit Statford wives, like we want
all our parks and reserves to only be peace loving.
I mean, immediately, it makes me want to walk in
there with a tank or something and have it as
a playpen. I'm not suggesting that either. It just feels

(54:27):
a little bit everything that's happening in the world. I'm
not sure I care enough about this statue to hear
that even be talking about it.

Speaker 2 (54:35):
No, that is fair. Okay, let's get onto the serious stuff. Morris.
I'll tell you what. What has absolutely I am honestly
taken aback by the number of people who are quite
happy to say out loud they do not believe that
Donald Trump really had an assassination attemp at the weekend
and it was a false flag event.

Speaker 13 (54:49):
What do you think, Well, I love the old I
think it's a Berenjamin Franklin quote. He said three people
can keep a secret as long as two of them
are dead. The fact that you would try to engineer
this and you'd have all the Secret Service knowing, and
all the people and guests and people jumping under the
table before the gun. We're off knowing it. You'd never
keep that a secret. You never ever keep that a secret.

(55:11):
So I think it was a genuine guy running past
with a shotgun. He did shoot somebody. Unfortunately the bulletproof
vest stopped him from dying.

Speaker 2 (55:20):
I think about what about the theory that's now emerged
as being apparently quite credible that Donald wasn't shot in
the ear?

Speaker 20 (55:28):
Yeah, enough from your husband's heather, he's buying into all
these theories.

Speaker 9 (55:36):
He needs to get out more, he needs to get
stuff on the Twitter.

Speaker 20 (55:40):
But I do think that I read this theory that
conspiracy theories have actually served quite a good evolutionary purpose.
And in our caveman days, if you suspected that if
your caveman fellows went out and invited the other tribe
for a dinner of roast mammoth or something, the conspiracy
theorist think, oh, they might kill us. And turns out

(56:02):
they were often right in the cave man days. And
of course the ones who had the conspiracy theory survived.
So we've all got a little bit of DNA conspiracy
theory DNA in this. But having said that, I mean, honestly,
there are conspiracy theories around at the moment when I
read the other day birds aren't real. They're actually drones
that government has sort of put out to surveil us.

(56:23):
Paul McCartney died in nineteen sixty six. He was a
placed with a look alike and the most outlandish one
of all. Luxelm is a credible leader of the National Party.

Speaker 2 (56:36):
Soon because you know that he listens to the huddle
on a Monday. Because last time on the huddle we
were saying he needed to pull a confidence vote in
himself and then hey, blood, he did the next day.

Speaker 20 (56:46):
I know that's right. Trish basically organized that. But yeah,
I'm sorry not to be kind. I'm not sure I
believe in kind politics.

Speaker 13 (56:55):
I'll raise this shooting thing tonight at my meeting of
the Flat Earth Society and find out what they think,
oh doubt.

Speaker 2 (57:02):
But you know what I'm interested in is the credible
theory that you can come back to us with that
would convince us all that in fact, this really was
a false flag of it. Listen, let's take a break
and then we'll come back and talk about Mikey Sherman
and what happens next year. Seventeen away from six, the.

Speaker 1 (57:16):
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Speaker 2 (57:21):
Right, you're back with the huddle, Joseph Ganney and Morris
Williams and Josie. What do you think happens to Mikey
Sherman Now, Well, she's in.

Speaker 12 (57:28):
Trouble, you know.

Speaker 20 (57:29):
I mean, it's a frankly archaic insult, which thanks to
Barry we all know what it is now but I'm
not going to say it. But she is in trouble.
And as you say, there have been others sort of
rumors around stuff. But I also feel like I don't
like the kind of cancel culture on either side of politics,
and I don't think it's the same as an MP

(57:49):
doing the loser sign or whatever. I think because of
your media. The last thing we want for media is
to be either censoring themselves, that they're not going to
attack their own or that they're not going to hold
their own to account, or they're not going to say
things that might be unpopular. And I think the biggest
problem here has there is and I heard you read
out some messages from listeners. It's not that said B

(58:12):
hasn't followed this up, but the fact I do think
it's difficult for the gallery. So the Press Gallery, who
did nothing for about a year, the Press Gallery tried
to hose it down, as you just said, And I
think that buys into this sort of perception that the
media look after each other a bit, but worse than that,
they're a little bit deferential to government institutions. You know,

(58:32):
whether it's met weather saying we're going to have a
terrible cyclone an Auckland doesn't happen where that you know,
where's the sort of journalist who's going to say, well,
hold on a minute, how do you know that, mister Weatherman.
Same with COVID.

Speaker 5 (58:45):
Right.

Speaker 20 (58:45):
So I do think there's a perception there that not
just that media don't hold themselves accountable, but they also
don't they're a bit deferential to institutions. And I think
that's the more damaging credibility issue.

Speaker 13 (58:58):
Okay, Maurice, Well, I think it's a very simple test.
What would she have done if she found out a
member of Parliament had been at a drinking session in
someone's office and had used that phrase about another person
who was present. She would have hunted them down. It
would have been a big story. They would have never
let it pass and if you're going to hold people
to account to that level of standard, then you've got

(59:18):
to be able to be prepared to have it happen
to you if you do it as well.

Speaker 20 (59:21):
But Morris, do you think it's the same. I mean,
I'm genuinely asking this. I don't think it's the same.
For if you're an MP or a member of the media,
like you know, you know as a minister, you have
to be careful what you say. You almost sort of
have to be, you know, better than best. You can't swear,
you can't say anything, you can't be rude to people.
I don't want the media to think that they can't
be rude to people, but I'm not saying that they

(59:44):
shouldn't be. And I actually think it's Lloyd the who
was there receiving end of this sneer and sneer. He's
the one who has to work out how he personally
wants to respond. But I wouldn't like to think that
any journalist gets sacked or fired for saying something that
is offensive and insulting.

Speaker 13 (01:00:04):
I disagree. I think they should be held to the
exact same standard. But look, hey, that's not the story.
Yes I do, but that's not the story I want
to cut the story about TV in Z and how
Jodie O'Donnell even looks at herself in the mirror. Last night,
the biggest story in New Zealand by far was the
signing of the India Free Trade Agreement. TV three devoted
five minutes and forty seconds, including live interviews with the

(01:00:27):
Minister of Trade in India with the signing and so on.
TV and Z never covered it at all, not at all.
They covered cosmetic dental tourism where you could go over
season and get your front teeth fixed. They covered the
through Fighters new album, and they never mentioned Now they

(01:00:48):
keep saying, oh, we don't have a problem with bias
and with impartiality. Of course they bloody do. And it's
time they were rained in on it, as.

Speaker 2 (01:00:56):
Are you are you suggesting? Are you saying that you
watched that last night and the Lake but the lack
of coverage of them.

Speaker 13 (01:01:03):
I went back and watched the tapes of it today.

Speaker 2 (01:01:04):
Okay, But that the lack of coverage of the Indian
FTA to you is a sign that TVNZ doesn't want
to give positive coverage to the coalition government.

Speaker 13 (01:01:12):
Yes, well, if if one channel does five minutes and
forty one seconds. Honestly, Heather, on a TV news you're
likely to get a thirty second clip if you're really going,
or a forty second They did five minutes. They had
interviews with Todd McClay, They had interviews from the other side.
The professor at the university doesn't like it. She had

(01:01:32):
her comments about Jane Kelsey. She's saying it wasn't right.
So it was a balance that wasn't all positive. But
the story wasn't even covered on TV's.

Speaker 20 (01:01:41):
It's a Great Food Fighters album.

Speaker 13 (01:01:45):
Yeah, but I mean that's our state owned broadcaster.

Speaker 2 (01:01:48):
And Gracie don't make jokes when people are genuinely upset
about stuff.

Speaker 20 (01:01:53):
Second, and it's a fair point, Marris. It is a
fair point. And I think that the ITV's that have
been caught up on this before, and actually, of course
they should have been covering the Indian FTA. I mean,
for all the twos and FROs of who benefits which
sector doesn't, how could this not be a good thing
with more than half of New Zealand exports to India
becoming duty free almost.

Speaker 2 (01:02:17):
No, it is a fair point, hey, listen, but speaking
of now, that Josie's outed herself as being some sort
of a critic of pop culture. Josee, how do you feel?
Oh god, I mean, are you going to be buying
the ESPN Sports package so you can watch the basketball
and the baseball and the American football too?

Speaker 17 (01:02:32):
Right?

Speaker 20 (01:02:33):
Just on the basis of money. I mean, my husband
has a Sky Sports subscription and it costs I think
about sixty dollars a month, and it's pretty second rate
service and then much Yep, it's really expensive. And ESPN,
you know, the new the Disney Sports brand, they're charging
I think at nine dollars or ten dollars or something

(01:02:54):
like that. And actually, I do think basketball, baseball, some
of these sports have taken off in New Zealand because
no one wants the white skinny boys playing rugby anymore.

Speaker 2 (01:03:04):
Yes, right, yeah, what do you think Morris? Youre going
to hook into this?

Speaker 13 (01:03:08):
Yeah. While our family is a sort of a tragically
fanatical family for tennis, our sons are coaching in Dubai.
Presidenten went through the college system and we just simply
live and breathe tennis and very bloody poor quality coverage
of tennis on the sky, hardly any actually sometimes never
even Wimbledon, but it's all available on Disney. So we've

(01:03:29):
been on Disney for a long time watching various Sky
tennis tournaments all around the Well, then good on them.
I mean it's just competition, and that's what it should
be like.

Speaker 3 (01:03:37):
Everyone compete.

Speaker 20 (01:03:38):
It's going to say Marris, that's exactly. Any competition in
any sector car parks to sports coverage is good.

Speaker 2 (01:03:45):
Guys, Thank you, appreciate your time. Enjoy that album. Josey,
that's Josey Beccarney, Morris Williams in our huddle this evening
had away from six.

Speaker 1 (01:03:53):
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Speaker 2 (01:04:01):
Tell that grumpy old man that TV one are advertising
the trade deal with India tonight, Carol, thank you. Look
in our team of three people here, two of us
two thirds of us have worked for TV and Z
and actually worked for the TV and Z bulletin last night,
and what we think has happened is that it hadn't
been signed. So when when the TV and zad bulletin
went to air at six o'clock last night, the FTA

(01:04:22):
hadn't been signed. So kind of forecasting that something is
about to happen is quite a boring thing to do
for television news. And you know, what pictures have you got,
You know, like you haven't got a lot of moving
pictures to show people, and stuff's quite dull. Whereas I
saw the tooth story that was gripping like that was
you had people with nasty teething, you had people with
beautiful teeth and then they were crying. It was quite

(01:04:42):
it was quite captivating anyway, So that's some explanation for it.
And of course now that the signing has happened and
the text is out there, then it'll be covered tonight,
not by Mikey Sherman, Hoe was not answering her phone.
I'd imagine Benedict is stepping up and doing the Young
or somebody else all together. Anyway, that is some explanation
for what happened on the On the other side, of course,
of the aisles three. TV three have got bugger all resources,

(01:05:02):
and so for them doing an interview with the minister
ties up like four or five minutes or three minutes
or whatever of airtime and kind of sucks up space
in the bulletin. So you can see why they're doing that,
So I agree with Morris. It was frustrating for him,
but I'm not as worked up about it as he is.
Here that you can say the Mikey thing isn't to
cover up all you like. I didn't say that, but
the mere fact that the press gallery was mad at

(01:05:23):
ZB and then ZB gave up on it as proof
I'm in the police. Well, I don't know if you've
I don't know if you're very good at your job then,
so I don't think that's proof of anything. Wasn't I
incredible witness?

Speaker 5 (01:05:34):
Mate?

Speaker 2 (01:05:34):
I thought it was a credible witness four away from six. Anyway,
listen and you talked you about AI. So a group
of MPs across the house have been asked about the
AI usage and they've fronted up about it. And there's
nothing in here that's like, there's nothing bad. AI is
not bad. But this was the Post newspaper in Wellington
who asked them. Eighteen national MPs, sixteen labor MPs have

(01:05:54):
admitted to using it. No one in New Zealand. First,
because you know it's new technology. The Greens are using
it and actors using it. Mostly what they're using is
Microsoft's co pilot about fifty percent of them. Then Chat
GP Chat GPT comes up next. The Greens will use
Claude mainly the Greens reckon they're using it. They are
using it for captioning their social media videos, which is
quite good. Most of them are using it fifty five

(01:06:16):
percent for research, forty eight percent for proofreading, forty five
percent for summarizing documents, twenty seven percent, a quarter of
them for writing things, and actors using it to create
stock images. Some of them have told us exactly what
they do. It's actually what interesting what some of these
guys are doing with it. So I'm going to read
you some of that next, and then I'm going to
tell you why I'm telling you this about AI, because

(01:06:37):
there is a reason for it. But Nikola Willis is
with us. Next, us talks PA.

Speaker 1 (01:06:52):
I guess keeping track of where the money is glowing.
The business hour with the head the duplicyl and MAS
insurance and investments, your futures in good hands ustorg ZB.

Speaker 2 (01:07:14):
Even in coming up in the next hour, Jamie MacKaye
is going to talk us through how excited he is
about this India FTA. Paul Bloxham of HSBC out of
Australia for US and we'll have Endebrady a UK correspondents
around out the hour. It's seven past six and with
us as Nikola willis our finance minister, Hei Nikola hi YadA.
Are you having any press gallery budget drinks this year?

Speaker 11 (01:07:35):
No?

Speaker 2 (01:07:36):
Why ah?

Speaker 11 (01:07:38):
That's not something I've regularly done. I didn't do it
in twenty twenty four. I did it last year. I'm
not doing it this year.

Speaker 2 (01:07:44):
Is it because of the Mikey Schumann incident?

Speaker 11 (01:07:48):
Look, I don't regularly host drinks in my office. I
did that last year as I hadn't seen much of
the gallery and I thought it was a nice way
to get them all together at the same time. And
I don't feel they need to do it this year.

Speaker 2 (01:08:01):
It's been reported that you walked into the room and
caught the tail end of it and shut the thing
down because you heard the word.

Speaker 20 (01:08:06):
Is that right?

Speaker 5 (01:08:07):
Well?

Speaker 11 (01:08:08):
I have confirmed today that last year, I was out
of the room for a few minutes, returned to hear
offensive language being used by one journalist about another journalist,
and that language was unacceptable to me and I ended
the event at that point. The following day, I checked
in on the welfare of the reporter at home. The

(01:08:29):
slur was directed, and he advised me he did not
want to take the matter any further. So I respected
and have respected his decision.

Speaker 2 (01:08:38):
What we are missing is the context. So why it
was that things got heated to the point where she
used a word like that? Did he say something to her?

Speaker 11 (01:08:47):
Well, as I said, I was out of the room
for a few minutes. I'd actually gone to the bathroom,
and when I left to the bathroom things were fine.
When I returned, they were not fine. And so I
simply can't tell you what happened during the time I
was out of the room. All right, now, Listens, I
wasn't there, and I don't know. No.

Speaker 2 (01:09:04):
Fair enough on the heavy vehicle restrictions, Why aren't we
doing it now in level one? Why save this up
for level two if it would save fuel? Right now?

Speaker 11 (01:09:14):
Well, look, we are looking at what options can be
put in place quickly, but actually the issue here is
working through those options. A number of them have been
put forward, so for example, removing some restrictions on the
routes that big vehicles can use when they travel. For example,
there are sections of the Auckland Motorways and toll roads
that lots of big vehicles can't use, meaning they burn

(01:09:37):
more fuel traveling less direct routes. So our officials are
looking at, first of all, do the benefits of reducing
that regulation temporarily outweigh the costs, and then looking at
implementing it. So basically a matter of getting a set
of recommendations together and then we'll have options about when
we progress them. And I wouldn't rule out progressing them

(01:10:00):
phase one because actually what they'll do is reduce the
cost of fuel for major diesel users quite right.

Speaker 2 (01:10:06):
So why is it that they at the moment can't
use these particular routes.

Speaker 11 (01:10:11):
It's to do with the size of vehicles on the
roads and that being potentially disruptive to other vehicles. As
I understand, and I think you know, we're in a
cross a situation. We're in a situation where fuel is
so much more expensive than usual, and when you're in
difficult times, you consider measures that you might not ordinarily do.
And as we've said, as our mantra, we're looking for

(01:10:32):
temporary and targeted initiatives, and this might fit the bill.

Speaker 2 (01:10:35):
Will they cause potholes these heavier trucks, Will they cause
more potholes.

Speaker 11 (01:10:39):
Well, Heavier trucks is one of the options on the
table whether or not some heavy vehicles could carry more
weight per trip, and the Ministry of Transport, Chris Bishop,
is doing analysis on that. Of course, in the long term,
if you kept on doing that, yes, of course it
would damage the roads. The question is as a temporary measure,
would that be justified?

Speaker 2 (01:11:00):
Okay? Now the twelve sense hike in the petrol in
the fuel excise tax that came up for debate last week,
why I mean, is this something that you need to
decide now we'rehead of the budget, is it?

Speaker 11 (01:11:09):
No, So Cabinet has previously made a decision to increase
that fuel tax. What Cabinet hasn't yet done is approved
legislation to make that happen. You'll recall when we came
into office, we reversed the previous government's decision to have
petrol tax increases in the in the past couple of years.

(01:11:30):
So we stopped those and then we made a decision
at that time that we would introduce an increase next year.
And obviously, with the price of fuel where it is,
whether or not that legislation does actually go through as
an open question.

Speaker 2 (01:11:45):
I mean, don't you have it when does it have
to cack on? Is it January next year?

Speaker 11 (01:11:49):
That that was the intention? Don't you have all the.

Speaker 2 (01:11:52):
Way through to Christmas time to pass that legislation. Yes,
so we actually don't need to be having this debate
right now or something. Is it going to be caught
up in your budget forecasts?

Speaker 11 (01:12:03):
Well, the budget forecasts reflects the decisions at the time.
So we currently have a cabinet decision that we're doing it,
but obviously it'll be a risk in the future if
we don't follow through with it. And ministers have been
really candid, which is it doesn't feel like it would
be a good idea to be increasing petrol tax in
January right now. That doesn't look very realistic at all,

(01:12:25):
and so we're just being clear that that's something that's
being openly debated, right.

Speaker 2 (01:12:29):
I mean, David cmol does have a point, right and
so does Chris Bishop, that there is a problem if
we don't go ahead and put it up by twelve
cents next year that we're start running, we're going to
star runing out of money to fix potholes because it
hasn't gone up in seven years. By then you're right.

Speaker 11 (01:12:43):
So the way fuel tax works as it goes straight
into the Land Transport Fund. The Land Transport Fund is
used for a number of things. It's used for funding
public transport subsidies. It's used for rebuilding roads after disaster.
It's used for fixing potholes on the road. It's used
for building new bridges and roads. So if you reduce
the amount of money going into that fund by having

(01:13:03):
less petrol tax, then you reduce the money for transport
initiatives and policies. So that would be the tradeoff. As
you've heard me say on the show before, there is
no free lunch, but we recognize that New Zealanders are
really hurting with the fuel price and that matters a
great deal to us.

Speaker 2 (01:13:19):
Listen, can you I'm confused by the sale GP funding
right because the fund that it appears that this event
was canceled on account of five hundred thousand dollars. Now
is the real reason that this happened because you need
the money for the budget.

Speaker 11 (01:13:32):
No, not at all. Had nothing to do with me.
There was a deal on the table, then that there
was a change in dates and the number being requested,
and then when the Minister reevaluated it it no longer
met the cost benefit test. That's my understanding of it.
So nothing to do with me. The minister has an
amount of money available to her and then she uses

(01:13:54):
criteria and principles to make judgments about which events go
forward and what you don't.

Speaker 2 (01:13:59):
And was then whom? I right in what I've been told,
which is that the number that was requested was an
additional five hundred thousand dollars.

Speaker 11 (01:14:05):
I don't know the number, Heather. You'd have to ask
Lloyd's upstom.

Speaker 2 (01:14:08):
Now the FDA has been signed and we've got the paperworkout,
do you think he has?

Speaker 11 (01:14:13):
Yay, great news, I know, fantastic lord jobs, incomes exports.

Speaker 2 (01:14:19):
Do you think back on track? Do you think so
that this is going to make the conspiracy theorists and
the naysayers go quiet now that they've seen it?

Speaker 11 (01:14:28):
Well, I hope so, because what this has always been
about is making sure that our exporters, the people who
are growing key we fruit, who are selling apples, who
are trying to get a good price for their wool,
are able to access a growing, increasingly wealthy market and
to do so on fair terms. Right now, it's very

(01:14:49):
hard for many of our exporters to compete with their
Ossie equivalents because the Aussies have a free trade agreement
and we don't. This evens the keel, so that we're
actually competing on the quality of our products, not being
disadvantaged before we've even started the race by the tariffs
that were currently face fair enough. So it's great for
regional New Zealand. It's great for the economy. And I

(01:15:12):
remember all the AA sayers on the China FTA. He said,
oh no, this is going to be terrible. That free
trade agreement has driven massive growth and exports and has
ensured the creation of industries, jobs, and has helped our
primary industries thrive.

Speaker 2 (01:15:29):
Yeah too, right, well, said Nicola. Thank you very much,
Nicola will As Finance Minister. Yeah, I was going to
tellent you. I was going to tell it to pop
a cork for tonight because we was signed in and
then I was like, no, properly actually drinking in Nichola's offices,
just not to be done at the minute.

Speaker 5 (01:15:45):
Here.

Speaker 2 (01:15:45):
The TVs did report on Mikey Sherman ten minutes and
got on that actually been thank you. I was watching
I've got the TV news on in the studio. I
saw they were reporting on it, and I thought, well,
that's the best front foot it. It's the best way
to deal with things. Sixteen past six.

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Speaker 2 (01:17:01):
Twenty past six and with us now as Jamie mckaye,
host of.

Speaker 17 (01:17:04):
The Country gooda, Heather, how are you?

Speaker 18 (01:17:07):
Oh?

Speaker 2 (01:17:07):
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Speaker 1 (01:17:09):
The Rule Report with Farmland's don't let unsafe gears slow
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Speaker 2 (01:17:14):
Here you go that that'll feel better now, won't it.

Speaker 17 (01:17:17):
Yes, Well, I've got to look after Farmland's form of sponsors.

Speaker 2 (01:17:21):
Listen, talk to me about the India FDA. Are you
feeling excited?

Speaker 3 (01:17:24):
Well, I'm very excited. Well I'm a lot more excited
than Winston. Let's put it that way.

Speaker 17 (01:17:28):
Look, I think the numbers speak for themselves, Hether, I
know you've had someone from Business desk on already talking
about this today. Ninety five these are the key numbers
for me. Ninety five percent of New Zealand exports to
India will either eliminate or reduce tariffs. Eighty two percent
of all exports will become tariff free, fifty seven percent

(01:17:51):
basically on day one. Now the question is, ever, when
is day one of this agreement going to come into place.
I've got to run it through Parliament and run through
the various processes there. I did speak to Todd McLay
in Singapore on his way home from India. That man
doesn't charge much for accommodation. He just sleeps on planes,

(01:18:13):
by the way, And he said it's true. He flew
all the way to India last year, didn't even stay,
slept on the way over, slept on plane on the
way home. We need more politicians like him. But he's
hoping to get this done before the election. And if
I was Todd McClay and Christopher Luxen and Nichola Willis,

(01:18:33):
I'd want this done before the election just in case,
just saying, Heather, in case Chippy changes his mind.

Speaker 2 (01:18:41):
Yep, this is a fair point from you. Now tell
me what is your alternative, Because you're a bit worried
about the trucking and the fact that it might cause
the pothole. So what's your alternative here.

Speaker 9 (01:18:49):
Well, no, it's just interesting.

Speaker 17 (01:18:51):
I totally get what's And I heard the bloke from
Mainfraid I think it was on with the host this morning.
And you know, we've obviously got the capacity with the
trucks to take more weight, make it more fuel efficient
on a weight basis. The only thing I would say,
after driving around central Otago for the long Anzac weekend

(01:19:13):
is that, you know, I just hope our roads can
take these bigger vehicles. That's the only reason we haven't
got them on now, because they just cause more damage
to our roads. Our roads are a bit of a
dog's breakfast as it stands at the moment, if you
ask me, and I'm just putting it out there, I'm
just flying a kite. I'm not saying I necessarily agree
with it, but could we be to use old word

(01:19:35):
vernacular like a penny wise and a pound foolish. Yes,
we're going to save some diesel, but at what cost
to our natural and national roading structure, because we all
know we haven't got enough money even to maintain our roads,
let alone build some of these new roads of national significance.
And I look at some of the really good roads

(01:19:57):
in this country. And I'm thinking of the Highway from
Auckland down to Hamilton Cambridge, and I think of that
eastern toll road out of Tawonga to Pocky out that way.

Speaker 3 (01:20:07):
They're great roads.

Speaker 17 (01:20:08):
We need more of those. Despite what Julie and Jenis says,
my only thought would be maybe we could look and
this is once again from driving around Central Otago over
the long Anzac weekend, Heather, we could look at banning
camp evans simply because they clogged the roads. They slow
traffic and they ultimately slow productivity. Just an idea. The

(01:20:29):
campavan owners are going to hate on me, but just
before you do hate on me, look in your rear
vision mirror when there are seven cars behind you.

Speaker 2 (01:20:38):
Lover too right, Thank you, Jamie. Jami mckaye, Host of
the Country. I was actually I'll tell you my kid No.
I was a junior reporter at TV and Z when
Paul Henry got in trouble for the camper vans. Do
you remember that, Like he made a comment about Campa
Vans and honestly it almost ended his career. It was
so weird, how angry everybody got so after that. I
have this It's like I'm emotionally triggered, but I feel

(01:21:00):
too scared. I don't want to talk about camp evans
because I'm afraid they're gonna come for me like they
came for Paul Henry. And I just don't know if
I am as resilient as he is. But Jamie did it,
So let's see what happens to the text machine. Maybe
maybe we're past worrying about what camper van people think
six twenty four.

Speaker 1 (01:21:19):
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Speaker 2 (01:21:32):
Yeah, the let's ban THHL our biggest tourism company that
brings in over half a billion in revenue per year
just in van rentals and sales. I love the sound
of crippling our rural tourism areas and our biggest industry
bar farming. Nice joke. See what did I tell you?
They know they cannot come. They cannot take a joke
about the camper vans who they cannot. By the way,
apparently the White House is considering quite seriously a bulletproof

(01:21:55):
fests for Donald Trump every time, every single time he
goes out in public. Now, I don't know if you
know this, but those things are not light, so that
is an extreme thing to do to him. Six twenty seven.

Speaker 1 (01:22:04):
There's no business like show business when you shame, so no.

Speaker 2 (01:22:12):
One can explain this. But there is some sort of
a tie up again between the US military and Kid Rock.
He was seen writing Shotgun in the military helicopter around
DC on Monday with the Secretary of War Pete Hegseth.
They were filming content, but it is not clear what
for because a bunch of theories. I mean, there's of
course Memorial Day coming up, an Independence Day where America
will be celebrating two hundred and fifty years of existence.

(01:22:32):
That's also coming up. Another option is it could be
footage for his upcoming tour. It's the Kid Rock Freedom
two fifty tour, of course, so you know, fit in there.
According to the Pentagon, Kid Rock is giving away over
one thousand tickets to each show on his tour for veterans.
It is a bold call, though, to have a tie
up like this, because it's only a month on from
the last controversy involving the pair of them, where one

(01:22:53):
of the helicopters did a fly by of Rock's house
during the anti ice protests so he could make a
social media video of him saluting them. It didn't go
down well in the US. Both pilots were temporarily suspended,
but then he Exaith had to step in and say
it was all okay. So of course the question is
will this get any backlash? I don't. We'll have to
wait and see. Paul Bloxham HSBC is with us next, sing.

Speaker 1 (01:23:24):
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Speaker 2 (01:23:40):
The Keir Starmer in the UK it is just not
getting any easier. He's still in trouble. Ender Brady will
be with us in around about ten minutes and talk
us through that. It's twenty four away from seven now,
as you probably realize by now. If you keep an
eye on interest rates, Australia and New Zealand are outliers.
Most of the world will hold their interest rates and
try to wait out the energy shock, but both Ozzie
and New Zealand are tip to start raising soon. Paul

(01:24:01):
Bloxham is hsb's chief HSBC's chief economist enders with us
right now, Hi, Paul good Ay, why is it that
we are so out of step with the rest of
the world.

Speaker 12 (01:24:10):
Well, for we are out of step, we are outliers,
and I think for Australia and for New Zealand the
stories are both a little bit different to each other
as well. So for Australia, the story is that we've
started this started out. The starting point where we are
right now is one where inflation is already too high,
even before we think about the impact of the Middle

(01:24:31):
East crisis and the energy shock that it's delivery, which
is obviously set to drive inflation even higher. So we've
started up with inflation that's already too high, an economy
that's been operating beyond its spare capacity, and a labor
market that's been tight, the unemployment rate's been low, and
that means that you know, we're really in the least
good position really to deal with the shot inflation is

(01:24:51):
already too high. We're going to get another step up
in inflation. And the risk here is that that step
up in inflation that comes from the energy shock starts
to get itself into inflation expectations, that workers demand higher
wages on the back of the higher inflation, and because
the labor market's type, they might get it. And because
the economy has been operating beyond its capacity, businesses will

(01:25:13):
try and pass on their higher cost to prices as well,
and so it might start to affect medium term inflation
and it might be more difficult to get inflation down.
So this is why we think the RBA, having hiked
already twice February and March, probably lifts rates again next week.
For New Zealand, the story is simply, the economy isn't
that strong. I mean, you've had three weeks three years

(01:25:34):
of weakness, there's a modest recovery underway, and the labor
market's still quite loose. But and here's the big difference,
the policy rate. The cash rate in New Zealand is
well below neutral.

Speaker 21 (01:25:43):
So does the central bank? Does the board want to
have a below neutral cash.

Speaker 12 (01:25:47):
Rate when it knows when it's going to get another
rise in inflation That could get into inflation expectations, And
we think that's going to be the reason why the
RB and Z will want to be cautious and start
to lift its policy rate as well.

Speaker 21 (01:25:59):
So this makes us very different.

Speaker 12 (01:26:01):
All the other central banks, all the big ones this week,
the FED, the Bank of England, the UCB, we saw
the back of Japan today, all of the major central
banks around the world, the Bank of England, I said,
you know, they're all expected to be on hold. But
Australia and New Zealand, well, we're not going.

Speaker 3 (01:26:16):
To be able to wait and see.

Speaker 21 (01:26:17):
I think we're going to be lifting rates.

Speaker 2 (01:26:19):
So last week the Finance min is to publish the
scenarios for what might happen depending on how long the
Iran war drags out. And obviously the worst case scenario
is that this thing goes on all the way through
the year into next year and we're looking at seven
point four percent again, which is exactly where we were
post COVID with inflation. Can New Zealand cope with that again, Paul,
if it came.

Speaker 12 (01:26:39):
To that, Look, I think these could be quite challenging
times if it plays out poorly. You know, if the
scenario is that the straight up Fulmas remains closed for
an extended even extended period from here and we get
some sort of bigger step up in energy costs from here,
and that drives even more inflation. I guess the different

(01:27:00):
diference this time around, And this is what's worth keeping
in mind. There is a big difference between now and
twenty twenty two, and the fundamental difference is this is
just a negative supply shock. This is the price of
energy going up, the price of imported goods going out,
and that's bad for growth. There is no sort of
positive demand shock in twenty twenty two. One of the

(01:27:20):
reasons why we got all that inflation was because we'd
reopened our economy after the pandemic after two years of
being told we couldn't do the things we wanted to
do and being given cash, and we'd saved a lot
of it. Of course, everyone in twenty twenty two wanted
to go back to doing things, so we went out
and there's a huge surgeon demand.

Speaker 21 (01:27:37):
People out went spending.

Speaker 12 (01:27:38):
On restaurants and cafes and travel and theater and the
sporting events and so on. So back then we had
this surgeon demand and a negative supply shock.

Speaker 21 (01:27:46):
This time around, it is just a negative supply shock.

Speaker 12 (01:27:49):
So I think the way I think about it is
it could very well leave to higher inflation. But it's
also going to weaken growth, and quite quickly, I think
if this plays out poorly.

Speaker 2 (01:28:00):
Yeah, and you just have to wonder how much resilience
there is in households. Right, because we were coming off
the back of COVID, we all had lots of money
because we've been given so much. But now that must
have been whittled away.

Speaker 21 (01:28:10):
Yeah, that's exactly right.

Speaker 12 (01:28:12):
So with that, you would I would say the likely
response then from the central bank in terms of interest
rates will be that they won't lift interest rates nearly
as much as they did back then. I mean back
then you were lifting interest rates because well, firstly, interest
rates started off at zero. Secondly, you had this big
surge in demand that you're describing, we're describing.

Speaker 21 (01:28:33):
And you had the Russia Ukraine event that forced energy
prices up.

Speaker 12 (01:28:36):
This time around, it's you don't have that stock of
saving sitting there and so and you are going to
see a higher cost of living. So I think it's
going to weaken growth and that's going to mean central
banks don't have to do as much.

Speaker 21 (01:28:49):
They don't lift interest rates nearly as much as they
did last time.

Speaker 2 (01:28:52):
Yeah, Paul, thank you for talking us, so it always
appreciate talking to you. Paul Block some agspecies Chief Economists
nineteen away from seven.

Speaker 1 (01:28:58):
Ever du for c Ellen.

Speaker 2 (01:29:00):
I travel with a caravan and my priority is to
pull over, as I hate being under pressure. But pullover
spots come up very quickly with no warning, and I
can't just slam on brakes and hit the dirt with
the caravan. Another. Oh, is that why you don't pull over? Well,
that makes yeah, I suppose I can get I can
understand that. Another thing with a lot of tracks and
cars as they slow me down. I'm not grumpy wrong,

(01:29:21):
do you know what I have? I am not. I
don't get grumpy at campavans anymore because I have children
and I've become one of those drivers, and I'm acutely
aware of it. And I actually don't give a fig
whether I'm irritating people or not. But you know how
the kids are in the back right, the back seat.
Anybody in the back seat gets the car sickness, but
especially if they're in a car seat or a boost
a seat, because they're sitting a bit higher. So poor

(01:29:42):
little kiddies driving the coromanda little around the corners right,
just a hone around those corners, had a great chack
di in sports mode around the corners, get there really fast.
But now I've got kids, Now I just take it
really slowly. I reckon, I just go eighty eighty eighty
around them and I reckon. They back up behind me
and I'll pull over to the slow lane. But now
I'm just, I'm just, I've just It's totally changed my

(01:30:03):
attitude to driving because I just don't want the little
dudes to hate it all the time. Anyway, So I
am basically a camp van.

Speaker 8 (01:30:12):
Are the camper vans having to back up behind you
in hol cash you to pull over? So make me
get past.

Speaker 2 (01:30:17):
When you've got a line of camper vans behind you,
you basically are. You're a camper van, but you don't
look like one, which is worse like at least with
the campa van. You guys can see it.

Speaker 11 (01:30:27):
You can see it coming.

Speaker 2 (01:30:28):
Oh Lord, here we go. You don't know I'm in
that little car, do Yeah? You don't know how I'm
driving until you're stuck behind me for ages. Anyway, this
is how the MP's have been using their AI. So
duncan Webb, who's with? I love Duncan Whib's confidence. He's
with Labor. He uses the AI for research, but not
for speech writing. He says, I try to use it
for writing speeches, but it's just not as insightful, funny

(01:30:49):
or personable as I am ask us what we think.
Duncan the National MP for ILM, who is a formula
former molecular biolo. Hamish Campbell, he's created his own AI
server where he runs a number of large language models
and he does research in comparison, analysis and summary. Is
just showing off though, and that is brighter than the

(01:31:10):
rest of us, So to you. Hamish Tom Rutherford from
the Bay of Plentyes with National, he put all of
parliaments This is clever. He put all of Parliament's complex
standing orders and speakers rulings into Twitter's AI grock, which
helps him to understand what's happening in the debating chamber
in real time. Greg Fleming, who's with National and is
the MP for Mango Care Care, is using a paid

(01:31:32):
chat GPT subscription to help him learn three or. He's
been learning Mary for ten years. He reckons this is
one of the best Mary teachers he's had. It sounds
like he chats to it, which is a bit sad
Greek but also very clever but also sad. And I
don't know which one I think is worse. Karen Macnaughty,
Camilla Balich, Miles Anderson never heard of him, and Paul
Goldsmith don't use AI. Karen macnaughty says he wouldn't know

(01:31:56):
where to start. That's nothing to be proud of, Karen.
That's like being like, I can't read, No, why would
I want to read? Don't be proud of that. This
is the productivity this is coming at ye. Anyway. Why
I love though that we've had chats about it is
because we've had chats about it, and because these MPs
are not ashamed of aire is. You may not realize
that there is a huge cohort of people out there.
If you say AI, they go satan ah taking our jobs.

(01:32:19):
They freak out about it. It's like a dirty word
to them. It's like it's like we need it, we
need an AI commissioner. So the more that we talk
about it, the more that we talk about what we
use it for, the more we normalize it, I think
the better. So thank you very much to all those
MPs for answering that question, honestly, except for you, Karen
quarter two.

Speaker 1 (01:32:35):
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Speaker 2 (01:32:46):
Talks, I'd be either where is the idiot you just
had on it the moment I think you're talking about
Paul Bloxham of HSBC, the chief economist. Demand has crashed,
nothing is happening in the economies in recession. He should
be advocating for a fifty point drop in interest rates
to give the economy a booth long This is reality,
not the stupidity. If where the theoretical idiot is the
bank cafe is not reality, thank you. Derek twelve away
from seven into Brady UK corresponds with us allow Inda.

Speaker 9 (01:33:10):
Hey, Heather, it's the Irish idiot here.

Speaker 3 (01:33:12):
How are you.

Speaker 2 (01:33:14):
Over all idiots? I'm the lady idiot. So it's nice
to check to you now. Charles, So he's arrived. He's
going to do a big speech shortly.

Speaker 9 (01:33:22):
Yeah, big big day ahead for Charles. This is probably
the biggest speech of his reign. He is addressing a
joint session of Congress in Washington, DC, and you know
it's a diplomatic tight robe. Trump's America. They've said so
much about the UK, the Prime Minister, care Starmer, the
British military not getting involved in the war in Iran.

(01:33:43):
There's just been non stop tirade of abuse really for
months and months, and in walks Charles and Camilla. So
it's going to be fascinating to see how his speech lands.
But I think Charles will be stressing unity, the length
and breadth of that friendship. How you that is the
good wishes of the British people for America's two hundred
and fiftieth birthday, and I think a really tight diplomatic

(01:34:07):
high wire act really needed from Charles and Camilla.

Speaker 2 (01:34:10):
Now, what is the problem with the golf course? What's
going on?

Speaker 9 (01:34:15):
So Trump's golf course in Scotland, Turnbury, he owns two
Turnbury's up in Ayrshire. It is beautiful. He's not even
popular up there, even though he's a local employer and
landowner and his mother's from Scotland. So you know, there's
no love lost in the UK. He has been pressurizing
absolutely everyone that will listen at the highest level in
the UK for years to get the Open Championship for

(01:34:37):
Turnbury and last night the timing is just so beautiful,
so beautiful. They've given it to Royal Live in Saint
Anne's in England. So there you go, Happy, Happy two
hundred and fiftieth birthday, America. I do wonder what the
mood was like in the room last night when he
was told that the Open twenty twenty eight is going
to Royal Live in Saint Anne's and not his golf course.

Speaker 2 (01:34:59):
What do you I reckon was worse for him almost
getting shot or that news.

Speaker 9 (01:35:05):
Well, look, he didn't nearly get shot. Come on, the
guy was miles away and he was never going to
get near him. And I'm not excusing what the guy did,
but look, Trump is used to getting his own way.
And I'm sure as soon as Charles is on the plane,
give it twenty four hours and he'll be saying something
else about Keir Starmer. I think he's perfectly capable of
behaving himself for the next seventy two hours. Less o'clock

(01:35:26):
is ticking. But remember Charles is a very close friend
of Zelensky of Ukraine. Charles moves mountains and changes his
diary when he finds out Zelenski is in London. He
doesn't do that for Trump.

Speaker 2 (01:35:37):
Okay, gimme you take on what happens to Stama.

Speaker 9 (01:35:43):
So there's a debate today in Parliament over whether or
not he misled Parliament over the Mandelson scandal him becoming
US UK ambassador to the US. So there will be
a debate. Then there will be a vote whether to
refer the Prime Minister to the Privileges Committee. Now that
is serious. That brought down Boris Johnson ultimately the Privileges Committee.

(01:36:04):
You know, did a prime minister lie to Parliament? That
is basically the question that's being asked. From what I'm hearing.
Labor are hammering their MPs, whipping everyone into line. You
have to vote against this and reminding people that you know,
there's a war in Ukraine and Britain needs a serious leader.
So I think Starmar will cling on, but it's going
to be a type vaulte.

Speaker 2 (01:36:25):
Okay, hey, thank you for running us through that as always,
really appreciate your time.

Speaker 11 (01:36:28):
Ender.

Speaker 2 (01:36:28):
By the way, Jimmy Kimmel, So Jimmy Kimmel is a
fair bit of bother because he said of Milania Trump
he said the first lady had a glow like an
expectant widow, and he said that before the attempted assassination
he has and as a result, there are now been
calls for him to get fired again because he keeps

(01:36:50):
on sort of suggesting all kinds of I don't know,
he just he puts usoot on it. It's really bad timing
for me. Anyway. He's just done his show. He's opened
to the latest episode of Jimmy Kimmel Live. This is
how he started it.

Speaker 1 (01:37:00):
Sometimes you wake up in the morning and the first
lady puts out a statement demanding you.

Speaker 7 (01:37:05):
Be fired from your job. We've all been there, right,
You've been there right here?

Speaker 2 (01:37:12):
Yeah, what did that? He says. It was a very
light roast joke about the fact that he's almost eighty
and she's younger than me. Donald Trump is seven and
I'm Milania's fifty six. It was not, by any stretch
of the definition, a call to assassination. And they know
that I've been a very vocal I've been very vocal
for many years speaking out against gun violence, in particular.

(01:37:32):
Right away from seven, It's the Heather two per.

Speaker 1 (01:37:36):
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Speaker 2 (01:37:43):
All Derek, who called Paul an idiot, is getting quite
a bit of support. Heather Derek for Finance Minister. Finally
someone saying it like it is. These economists wanting an
interest rate increase are simply mad. Hey, by the way,
if you're in Auckland, and especially if you're in West
Auckland and you're thinking, oh, I need to go out
stretch my legs, but go and walk on the new
faux pathway in Tiata two. This thing just won an award.

Speaker 3 (01:38:03):
It won it.

Speaker 2 (01:38:04):
Why do I feel like it happened last week? Maybe
Friday won the Outdoor Access Champion award from the Outdoor
Access Commission. I have no bloody idea who those people are,
but that sounds to me like is it okay for
people in wheelchairs? Yes, it is like that sounds to
be like that kind of award. Anyway, who really cares?
It is cool they've won an award and they deserve
to win an award for this thing. So this is
a shared path, like it's off road, so it's for

(01:38:26):
people who want to walk the dogs and walk the
kids and go for a bike ride and stuff. And
eventually they've done forty percent of it, and when they finish,
they will have connected the White and Matar and the
Manecow harbors. And so it's going to run from Tiatatoo
to Green Bay, which is south you know, down there
south of New Lynn. Anyway, what is cool about it
is that like this is you know, you learn this

(01:38:46):
when you have children' there's many many epiphanies that I'm
having now. It's a bit like it can be a
bit challenging to let the kids just hone off on
their bikes, you know, when they're on the footpath and
the driveways and there are roads and all this kind
of stuff. Anyway, this is a really long stretch where
they can just they can go for it on the
likes safe, it's off the road. It's really nice and new.
It's very cool. So anyway, oh, like a bike lane.

(01:39:10):
It's like a bike lane. It's like a bike line.
There's nothing wrong with bike lanes ideologically. And what's wrong
with why you laugh? He's laughing so hard as he
is bobbing up and down.

Speaker 8 (01:39:19):
Yeah, sorry, doesn't always do that. Your favorite toy by
the food fighters to play us out tonight. Apparently TV
won very big fans of it, or at least Morris
Williamson seemed to think sober based on the amount of
coverage they gave it, as he told us in the huddle,
and Josie PEGANI seems to think there was about the
right amount of coverage because she said she's a big
fan of it. So I thought, why don't we finish
with the Foo Fighters. We can get it on there
as well.

Speaker 2 (01:39:39):
Be on Josie, I don't reckon she's listened to a
single second of the Food.

Speaker 3 (01:39:42):
Fighters tuned in.

Speaker 8 (01:39:43):
Josie, you're getting a bit. This is your favorite toy.

Speaker 2 (01:39:45):
The title track go on.

Speaker 22 (01:39:46):
Then it's not a fast does this?

Speaker 8 (01:39:57):
So it sounds very light with who Fighters, doesn't it
said to me.

Speaker 2 (01:40:00):
Keith, who's running the show, said to me, she hasn't
listened to her. She's talking an answers.

Speaker 16 (01:40:05):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:40:05):
I loved also that Josie just does aren't like Morris
was really worked up and then she just like cracked
joke and that it was it was like watching a
married couple. I was like, all badly time, Joe, Josie
is not going to find that funny. Anyway, We'll see
you tomorrow. Here's Things to Be.

Speaker 1 (01:40:38):
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