A report into the viability of Christchurch hosting the Commonwealth Games took 14 hours to write, after it was requested in January.
The report, commissioned by Mayor Phil Mauger, from Council and Christchurch NZ recommended Christchurch avoid holding a standalone event.
Newstalk ZB has revealed it cost just over $1000 for staff time.
Mauger told John MacDonald the report was a big job for Christchurch NZ, which didn't need rushing.
He says the city wasn't trying to host the Games sometime in the next year, so they just fitted it when they could.
Mauger joined John MacDonald in studio for their regular catchup, giving his thoughts on the Games’ report, high rises in the CBD, and his request the Government does more to address the pokie machine harm in Christchurch.
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Speaker 1 (00:06):
You're listening to the Canterbury Mornings podcast with John McDonald
from News Talk ZB.
Speaker 2 (00:12):
I'm for a regular catch up with christ It's Merefield
Major your morning film Here you go very well, we'll
talk about the common with goings very shortly, because you
know you've got that You've got that look in your
eye which is is like a dejected lover. But we'll come,
we'll happen to that.
Speaker 3 (00:26):
I was eas through the rose tinted glasses you're telling
me about Yes, yeah.
Speaker 2 (00:29):
You told me you were listening. Now I'm going to
second guess everything that said about Film Major that maybe
is listening intently.
Speaker 1 (00:35):
Link.
Speaker 2 (00:37):
Let's talk about Pages Ride. You're a bo excited this
government money coming for that, for the bridge.
Speaker 3 (00:41):
It is, it is excellent, this is this is brilliant.
And as you know, I've been born and bred in
the East and I know how important the Pages Road
bridge is. But I knew that christ Church was going
to be thin on money from the government. Okay, So
as soon as the government got through the new government
got sort of after Christmas, I've been beating a path
(01:03):
and discussing and seeing in person the Ministry of Transport
and working particularly hard on getting this across.
Speaker 2 (01:10):
The line, all right, It didn't say oh really, and
you're the guys that you wasted the government money on
the shambles of Gloucester Street previous that previous administration is good.
Speaker 3 (01:21):
No, you don't. You know what discussions you can have,
you know what it's on.
Speaker 2 (01:25):
You can't can't you can't say unlike the government. You
can't say I'll blame the blame the last council for
that because you were part of the last don't start
me right all right, Well that's good used.
Speaker 3 (01:34):
But since the new government, as I said, I've been
meeting with Simi and a lot. But the best thing
is it's a bridge only because that's the important way
if there's a disaster one way or another to get
people out. And there's a whole lot of services, water mains, power,
all that sort of thing hanging underneath the old bridge
that goes down. We're in deep strife. But one of
the one of the best things is they're not funding
(01:57):
all the fashionable extras all right. And one thing we're
probably going to talk about soon is government funding on
cycleways and speed bumps that added add on extras for
paid road where five extra raised intersections, a whole lot
of narrowings and stuff like that. They said, we're not
funding those, We're only funding the basic thing, which is
a bridge. And I agree with them, all right. When
if we had shed loads a dough we go for
(02:19):
our life. But we haven't, so we've got to just
do the basic stuff.
Speaker 2 (02:23):
Do you agree with the government and its decision not
to provide funding for the likes of cycle ways and
speed bumps. It's going to be all on you guys
if you want to do it now it.
Speaker 3 (02:31):
Is, and we haven't got the managed to We've got
to get, as I said when I got in, back
to basics. Speed bumps aren't basics. Raised intersections is more
my beef. We have got some little speed hunts, which
I say are very well designed. Going into some roundabouts
just to slow people down about five kilometers now makes
all the difference. But raised intersections can't get head.
Speaker 2 (02:52):
Around Commonwealth games. Let you say you can't get your
head around them. Would you like to pull the plug on?
Because they're still being put in around town.
Speaker 3 (03:01):
This is my problem. We're still designing them and putting
them in. You take the pages road Bridge Bay, the
roads around it, the government clearly said we're not going
to fund raised intersections, So.
Speaker 2 (03:11):
Why are they still doing the wait design?
Speaker 3 (03:13):
Not me further down in the building design these things
they go out, it goes for a herrings panel the
public seat and say oh isn't this nice, let's have
these and they go through and then they get put in.
I'd rather not even put them on the plan so
that the people can't even see them, so that they
don't even get there.
Speaker 2 (03:31):
So you're telling me that you've got the council designing
raised intersections when you're the mayor, the head of the
whole thing, when you don't want them.
Speaker 3 (03:39):
That is correct, Because I'm only one voice around the place.
Community boards decide on what happens in their area. Some
raised intersections go in because of the community, not me.
Speaker 2 (03:47):
Nuts' Is that nuts a little bit? You're very kigh,
all right. You are surprisingly chipper, given that the report
from christ Church and Z came through yesterday and basically
said your idea of having the Commonwealth Games here in
christ Church hosted by christ Church, a christ Church on
the event is as I said, might have said, yes
still on the radio you might have heard was a
pipe dream, pipe dream? Yes, I did.
Speaker 3 (04:09):
He say that I listened in tell you listened to
it a number of times just to get myself in
the right frame of mind to come and see you.
Speaker 2 (04:14):
How many times do you how many times they need
to hear pipe train to understand what I'm saying?
Speaker 3 (04:18):
No, no, no no. But for when I became mayor
and the previous government, I went up and saw the
Grant Robinson, the Minister of Sport and the Minister of
Finance and I said, oh, here's a weird dream that
I'd like to think we might be able to get
across the line. And he said, if you're go and
do this, the only way that you'll ever get it
across the line is if you if it's a national event. Now,
I've always said that christ Church has got a lot
(04:40):
of lot of stuff sporting an event's capital of the country.
It's got a lot of stuff that doesn't need a validrome,
it doesn't need a run lake at the moment, so
they can go to other parts of the country. So
that is what has come back. We went and talked
to christ Church ins D and that's what they do
all the time. That this is the bread and butter
stuff they assess and they bid for stuff all over
(05:01):
the people come from all over the world to come
and see this. They do the homework on that, and
it you feel when you read it. Ah, No, it
came out that if it was and I knew dann
well that christ Each wouldn't get it wholly and solely
by itself.
Speaker 2 (05:15):
You just couldn't.
Speaker 3 (05:15):
There's just not enough stuff, especially with Commonwealth Games being
as large it as is now cold What about.
Speaker 2 (05:21):
The thing in the report though, that says that even
if it was a shared event around the country, that
seventy five percent of the cost would be carried by
the government and then the other cities involved would carry
five percent of that. I did a calculation, but a
billion dollars too, which is not outrageous. Outrageous to think
of cost of hosting the games. That'd be fifty million
for christ Church. You'd be up for paying that spending
that we'd have.
Speaker 3 (05:42):
To do the business case. And what christ Each instead
of said. The conversation that's come out of this is
actually really good because out of it's come oh sure
we have the International Master's Games. Now, that's whole lot
of people that have got a lot of money in
your pocket.
Speaker 2 (05:54):
These day.
Speaker 3 (05:54):
Here for ages, let's walk before, let's run, walk before
we can run. And see, I'm not saying that we
shouldn't do it in the future, but you've got to
have these aspirations because I'm we both are really proud
of christ each and I want to get these things
across the line.
Speaker 2 (06:07):
All right, here's a weird thing for me. Our news
News from made an inquiry at the council to find
out how much was spent on this report and it's
come back that there was one staff member working on it,
worked on it for fourteen hours. It cost one thousand dollars.
How come it took eight months to get if it
took fourteen hours work? Oh, you can't rush these big.
Speaker 3 (06:25):
Job, John, They've got a lot of that. They've got
a lot of other stuff on and it's not critical
pass you take the likes of sale gp christ each
scene said, turned that round in twelve weeks and that's
a shedload of work.
Speaker 2 (06:37):
And that how come you you asked for the support
in January, it took forteen hours to do and it
was only delivered in the end of August early September.
Speaker 3 (06:45):
Well, it wasn't as if we were trying to get
Commwealth Games. If we were going to get it sometime
the next year or the year after that, there was
tons of time, so they just fitted it in when
they could.
Speaker 2 (06:54):
Or Okay, why do you think of high rise buildings
or the lifting the limit on the heights of buildings
in central christ Church? If all that are against.
Speaker 3 (07:03):
It most areas, it is good because one of the
things we did after the earthquake, the previous council, which
I totally agree with, one to get twenty thousand people
living in within the four abs where aren't I think
we might be twelve if we're lucky. Get more people.
And we've got a stadium here, more people and walk
to stadium, so you know, it all just makes the
(07:24):
place fizz. I want it to be like a.
Speaker 2 (07:25):
Do you want higher buildings?
Speaker 3 (07:27):
Yeah you do, because at the moment we have got
five hotels that are in the pipeline pipe dream pipeline
coming out of the coming out of the ground or
close to coming out of the ground, and at the
moment that high limit is causing us grief. And we
don't want these big hotel franchises to say, look, christ
(07:49):
is just stuff in A friend will go somewhere else.
We don't want that because we've got a lot of
shag buildings that need to come down. We'll say Harley
Building for example. There's a high rise hotel going on
that we need to get rid of that. It just
fakes us a dirty thirty building.
Speaker 2 (08:02):
All right, let's talk about pokem machines. So we're going
to talk about this on eight hundred eighty as well.
Where because I hate poker missions? Do you hate poking machines?
Speaker 3 (08:12):
I like pokeing machines. Every time I walk past one,
which is probably once every six months, I throw twenty
bucks at it, and if I'm happy, I walk away
happy all said, and then I just walk on. I'm
lucky that I don't sit there forever.
Speaker 2 (08:23):
Right, But you think you think enough people hate them
to write to the government and ask for changes in
the poker's laws. I mean, it's quite amazing, isn't that
christ Church has the highest number of poke machines per
capital in the other main center in New Zealand. That
people lost ninety three million bucks to poke machines and
christ Church last year. And see you are calling on
the government to make changes to address that harm. And
(08:44):
you want to do things like limiting the value of
jackpop prizes on the machines themselves and also limit the
number of pokey machines and lower soucio economic areas. Why
are you doing that?
Speaker 3 (08:53):
One of the things yesterday we had a whole lot
of deputations come to us, which were very interesting both
sides of the fence.
Speaker 2 (08:58):
They were good.
Speaker 3 (08:59):
One of the things that came that sort of worries
me is say you go to Utopia and there are
no pokeing machines, online gaming on your cell phone will
take off and we and this is not a reason
to have pokem machines, but it certainly helps pub charities
and stuff like that. They gave a lot of money,
a lot, I know, and as you know, with RATA
Foundation changing their criteria, council is now pecking is getting
(09:22):
a lot of pressure on it some money to help
places that aren't getting funded. So if that dried up,
that's probably I know, gambling is a problem. I've got
a friend of mine who suffered really badly from that,
So I know where you come from.
Speaker 2 (09:38):
So if you just if you talk out some of
the pokem machines from lower socioeconomic areas, people would just
go would follow the machines with them.
Speaker 3 (09:44):
They well, that with the sinking lid thing that we've
had for the last number of years, and I don't
know how many it has gone down a lot, you'll
probably know you'll be on a piece of paper that's
exactly what's happened as they've sunk. People have just gone
somewhere else. But there are some machines in some areas
that maybe would be better if they were somewhere else.
Speaker 2 (10:01):
And if the government did do what you're asking in
terms of limiting the jackpot the size of jackpots on
the machine, what sort of value would you be looking
at or thinking.
Speaker 3 (10:08):
Oh, I don't know that it's all done by the DIA.
One of the interesting things.
Speaker 2 (10:12):
They wouldn't those keep on playing if the jackpot was lower.
Speaker 3 (10:15):
From what I understand, some people when a jackpot is
one the upstakes and they'll go to another pub or
somewhere else. But one of the things that I heard
from one of the submitters the other day, which was
really interesting, they look at how much money is coming
out of an ATM to one person, and so they
can go and say, oh, you're getting out of control here.
And every twenty minutes, I think, he said in my
(10:38):
two hour twenty every will say every hour they have
to go around and say, ah, you've been sitting here
too long, are you right, and sort of break the trance,
so to speak.
Speaker 2 (10:47):
But poking machines that doesn't happen, that the partner doesn't. Yes,
it does happen, Yes, yes, yes.
Speaker 3 (10:51):
It happens. Now dim should well? They said, it does?
Speaker 2 (10:55):
All right, how well, good luck on that one. Thanks
for your time. We'll see you in two weeks time.
Speaker 3 (10:58):
Absolutely look forward to it.
Speaker 2 (10:59):
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from News Talk ZB.
Speaker 2 (00:12):
I'm for a regular catch up with christ It's Merefield
Major your morning film Here you go very well, we'll
talk about the common with goings very shortly, because you
know you've got that You've got that look in your
eye which is is like a dejected lover. But we'll come,
we'll happen to that.
Speaker 3 (00:26):
I was eas through the rose tinted glasses you're telling
me about Yes, yeah.
Speaker 2 (00:29):
You told me you were listening. Now I'm going to
second guess everything that said about Film Major that maybe
is listening intently.
Speaker 1 (00:35):
Link.
Speaker 2 (00:37):
Let's talk about Pages Ride. You're a bo excited this
government money coming for that, for the bridge.
Speaker 3 (00:41):
It is, it is excellent, this is this is brilliant.
And as you know, I've been born and bred in
the East and I know how important the Pages Road
bridge is. But I knew that christ Church was going
to be thin on money from the government. Okay, So
as soon as the government got through the new government
got sort of after Christmas, I've been beating a path
(01:03):
and discussing and seeing in person the Ministry of Transport
and working particularly hard on getting this across.
Speaker 2 (01:10):
The line, all right, It didn't say oh really, and
you're the guys that you wasted the government money on
the shambles of Gloucester Street previous that previous administration is good.
Speaker 3 (01:21):
No, you don't. You know what discussions you can have,
you know what it's on.
Speaker 2 (01:25):
You can't can't you can't say unlike the government. You
can't say I'll blame the blame the last council for
that because you were part of the last don't start
me right all right, Well that's good used.
Speaker 3 (01:34):
But since the new government, as I said, I've been
meeting with Simi and a lot. But the best thing
is it's a bridge only because that's the important way
if there's a disaster one way or another to get
people out. And there's a whole lot of services, water mains, power,
all that sort of thing hanging underneath the old bridge
that goes down. We're in deep strife. But one of
the one of the best things is they're not funding
(01:57):
all the fashionable extras all right. And one thing we're
probably going to talk about soon is government funding on
cycleways and speed bumps that added add on extras for
paid road where five extra raised intersections, a whole lot
of narrowings and stuff like that. They said, we're not
funding those, We're only funding the basic thing, which is
a bridge. And I agree with them, all right. When
if we had shed loads a dough we go for
(02:19):
our life. But we haven't, so we've got to just
do the basic stuff.
Speaker 2 (02:23):
Do you agree with the government and its decision not
to provide funding for the likes of cycle ways and
speed bumps. It's going to be all on you guys
if you want to do it now it.
Speaker 3 (02:31):
Is, and we haven't got the managed to We've got
to get, as I said when I got in, back
to basics. Speed bumps aren't basics. Raised intersections is more
my beef. We have got some little speed hunts, which
I say are very well designed. Going into some roundabouts
just to slow people down about five kilometers now makes
all the difference. But raised intersections can't get head.
Speaker 2 (02:52):
Around Commonwealth games. Let you say you can't get your
head around them. Would you like to pull the plug on?
Because they're still being put in around town.
Speaker 3 (03:01):
This is my problem. We're still designing them and putting
them in. You take the pages road Bridge Bay, the
roads around it, the government clearly said we're not going
to fund raised intersections, So.
Speaker 2 (03:11):
Why are they still doing the wait design?
Speaker 3 (03:13):
Not me further down in the building design these things
they go out, it goes for a herrings panel the
public seat and say oh isn't this nice, let's have
these and they go through and then they get put in.
I'd rather not even put them on the plan so
that the people can't even see them, so that they
don't even get there.
Speaker 2 (03:31):
So you're telling me that you've got the council designing
raised intersections when you're the mayor, the head of the
whole thing, when you don't want them.
Speaker 3 (03:39):
That is correct, Because I'm only one voice around the place.
Community boards decide on what happens in their area. Some
raised intersections go in because of the community, not me.
Speaker 2 (03:47):
Nuts' Is that nuts a little bit? You're very kigh,
all right. You are surprisingly chipper, given that the report
from christ Church and Z came through yesterday and basically
said your idea of having the Commonwealth Games here in
christ Church hosted by christ Church, a christ Church on
the event is as I said, might have said, yes
still on the radio you might have heard was a
pipe dream, pipe dream? Yes, I did.
Speaker 3 (04:09):
He say that I listened in tell you listened to
it a number of times just to get myself in
the right frame of mind to come and see you.
Speaker 2 (04:14):
How many times do you how many times they need
to hear pipe train to understand what I'm saying?
Speaker 3 (04:18):
No, no, no no. But for when I became mayor
and the previous government, I went up and saw the
Grant Robinson, the Minister of Sport and the Minister of
Finance and I said, oh, here's a weird dream that
I'd like to think we might be able to get
across the line. And he said, if you're go and
do this, the only way that you'll ever get it
across the line is if you if it's a national event. Now,
I've always said that christ Church has got a lot
(04:40):
of lot of stuff sporting an event's capital of the country.
It's got a lot of stuff that doesn't need a validrome,
it doesn't need a run lake at the moment, so
they can go to other parts of the country. So
that is what has come back. We went and talked
to christ Church ins D and that's what they do
all the time. That this is the bread and butter
stuff they assess and they bid for stuff all over
(05:01):
the people come from all over the world to come
and see this. They do the homework on that, and
it you feel when you read it. Ah, No, it
came out that if it was and I knew dann
well that christ Each wouldn't get it wholly and solely
by itself.
Speaker 2 (05:15):
You just couldn't.
Speaker 3 (05:15):
There's just not enough stuff, especially with Commonwealth Games being
as large it as is now cold What about.
Speaker 2 (05:21):
The thing in the report though, that says that even
if it was a shared event around the country, that
seventy five percent of the cost would be carried by
the government and then the other cities involved would carry
five percent of that. I did a calculation, but a
billion dollars too, which is not outrageous. Outrageous to think
of cost of hosting the games. That'd be fifty million
for christ Church. You'd be up for paying that spending
that we'd have.
Speaker 3 (05:42):
To do the business case. And what christ Each instead
of said. The conversation that's come out of this is
actually really good because out of it's come oh sure
we have the International Master's Games. Now, that's whole lot
of people that have got a lot of money in
your pocket.
Speaker 2 (05:54):
These day.
Speaker 3 (05:54):
Here for ages, let's walk before, let's run, walk before
we can run. And see, I'm not saying that we
shouldn't do it in the future, but you've got to
have these aspirations because I'm we both are really proud
of christ each and I want to get these things
across the line.
Speaker 2 (06:07):
All right, here's a weird thing for me. Our news
News from made an inquiry at the council to find
out how much was spent on this report and it's
come back that there was one staff member working on it,
worked on it for fourteen hours. It cost one thousand dollars.
How come it took eight months to get if it
took fourteen hours work? Oh, you can't rush these big.
Speaker 3 (06:25):
Job, John, They've got a lot of that. They've got
a lot of other stuff on and it's not critical
pass you take the likes of sale gp christ each
scene said, turned that round in twelve weeks and that's
a shedload of work.
Speaker 2 (06:37):
And that how come you you asked for the support
in January, it took forteen hours to do and it
was only delivered in the end of August early September.
Speaker 3 (06:45):
Well, it wasn't as if we were trying to get
Commwealth Games. If we were going to get it sometime
the next year or the year after that, there was
tons of time, so they just fitted it in when
they could.
Speaker 2 (06:54):
Or Okay, why do you think of high rise buildings
or the lifting the limit on the heights of buildings
in central christ Church? If all that are against.
Speaker 3 (07:03):
It most areas, it is good because one of the
things we did after the earthquake, the previous council, which
I totally agree with, one to get twenty thousand people
living in within the four abs where aren't I think
we might be twelve if we're lucky. Get more people.
And we've got a stadium here, more people and walk
to stadium, so you know, it all just makes the
(07:24):
place fizz. I want it to be like a.
Speaker 2 (07:25):
Do you want higher buildings?
Speaker 3 (07:27):
Yeah you do, because at the moment we have got
five hotels that are in the pipeline pipe dream pipeline
coming out of the coming out of the ground or
close to coming out of the ground, and at the
moment that high limit is causing us grief. And we
don't want these big hotel franchises to say, look, christ
(07:49):
is just stuff in A friend will go somewhere else.
We don't want that because we've got a lot of
shag buildings that need to come down. We'll say Harley
Building for example. There's a high rise hotel going on
that we need to get rid of that. It just
fakes us a dirty thirty building.
Speaker 2 (08:02):
All right, let's talk about pokem machines. So we're going
to talk about this on eight hundred eighty as well.
Where because I hate poker missions? Do you hate poking machines?
Speaker 3 (08:12):
I like pokeing machines. Every time I walk past one,
which is probably once every six months, I throw twenty
bucks at it, and if I'm happy, I walk away
happy all said, and then I just walk on. I'm
lucky that I don't sit there forever.
Speaker 2 (08:23):
Right, But you think you think enough people hate them
to write to the government and ask for changes in
the poker's laws. I mean, it's quite amazing, isn't that
christ Church has the highest number of poke machines per
capital in the other main center in New Zealand. That
people lost ninety three million bucks to poke machines and
christ Church last year. And see you are calling on
the government to make changes to address that harm. And
(08:44):
you want to do things like limiting the value of
jackpop prizes on the machines themselves and also limit the
number of pokey machines and lower soucio economic areas. Why
are you doing that?
Speaker 3 (08:53):
One of the things yesterday we had a whole lot
of deputations come to us, which were very interesting both
sides of the fence.
Speaker 2 (08:58):
They were good.
Speaker 3 (08:59):
One of the things that came that sort of worries
me is say you go to Utopia and there are
no pokeing machines, online gaming on your cell phone will
take off and we and this is not a reason
to have pokem machines, but it certainly helps pub charities
and stuff like that. They gave a lot of money,
a lot, I know, and as you know, with RATA
Foundation changing their criteria, council is now pecking is getting
(09:22):
a lot of pressure on it some money to help
places that aren't getting funded. So if that dried up,
that's probably I know, gambling is a problem. I've got
a friend of mine who suffered really badly from that,
So I know where you come from.
Speaker 2 (09:38):
So if you just if you talk out some of
the pokem machines from lower socioeconomic areas, people would just
go would follow the machines with them.
Speaker 3 (09:44):
They well, that with the sinking lid thing that we've
had for the last number of years, and I don't
know how many it has gone down a lot, you'll
probably know you'll be on a piece of paper that's
exactly what's happened as they've sunk. People have just gone
somewhere else. But there are some machines in some areas
that maybe would be better if they were somewhere else.
Speaker 2 (10:01):
And if the government did do what you're asking in
terms of limiting the jackpot the size of jackpots on
the machine, what sort of value would you be looking
at or thinking.
Speaker 3 (10:08):
Oh, I don't know that it's all done by the DIA.
One of the interesting things.
Speaker 2 (10:12):
They wouldn't those keep on playing if the jackpot was lower.
Speaker 3 (10:15):
From what I understand, some people when a jackpot is
one the upstakes and they'll go to another pub or
somewhere else. But one of the things that I heard
from one of the submitters the other day, which was
really interesting, they look at how much money is coming
out of an ATM to one person, and so they
can go and say, oh, you're getting out of control here.
And every twenty minutes, I think, he said in my
(10:38):
two hour twenty every will say every hour they have
to go around and say, ah, you've been sitting here
too long, are you right, and sort of break the trance,
so to speak.
Speaker 2 (10:47):
But poking machines that doesn't happen, that the partner doesn't. Yes,
it does happen, Yes, yes, yes.
Speaker 3 (10:51):
It happens. Now dim should well? They said, it does?
Speaker 2 (10:55):
All right, how well, good luck on that one. Thanks
for your time. We'll see you in two weeks time.
Speaker 3 (10:58):
Absolutely look forward to it.
Speaker 2 (10:59):
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