A beloved Kiwi writer and actor will be featuring in the upcoming Theatre Royal Variety Gala.
Richard O’Brien, the mind behind The Rocky Horror Picture Show, will be taking the stage as they celebrate a decade since the theatre reopening after the Christchurch quakes.
Richard joined John MacDonald for a chat about the Gala, his new production, and his journey since the creation of his iconic show.
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Speaker 1 (00:06):
You're listening to the Canterbury Morning's Podcast with John McDonald
from News Talk ZB.
Speaker 2 (00:12):
Richard O'Brien, you know that name, the creative wonder who
came up with the Rocky horror show back in the day.
He'll tell us how far back in the day it is.
He's one of the big stars of the Isaac Theater
Royals Anniversary concert two weeks on Sunday night, so it's
getting close and he's got a new show. He's touring
a new show as well. It's called The Kingdom of
Bling and Richard O'Brian's worth us now Goday, Richard, Hello.
(00:37):
The Kingdom of Bling I was reading, has been inspired
by Donald Trump. The timing seems incredible. What's the connection
between the show and Trump.
Speaker 3 (00:48):
Well, it's a sirical fairy tale that hits out this
dreadful human being because there's the idea of him getting
back into the White House is too terrifying for the
entire world. He is what he says he is, is
discussed as a disgusting human being and he makes no
(01:09):
bones about it. So that's what it's about, really and
making the audience laugh at the same time. That's that's
essential entertainment is essential, so you know not and I'm not.
We're not out on the road hitting people over the
head with a with a heavy message, but with you know,
having a little needly point that it's using satire and
and we're hopefully to make our point. It's quitely to
(01:32):
be successful. And everybody seems to be liking it. We've
got two more dates, one tonight and mon tomorrow and
then it's all over.
Speaker 2 (01:38):
Will you be bringing it or taking it on the
road again if he becomes.
Speaker 3 (01:44):
President regardless of that, but its future is uncertain. I
know there's a production put planned in Los Angeles, which
will obviously be after the after the elections. Yes, it's
something that always needs to be said. We can't. We
just can't allow this dreadful human being to take control
(02:08):
of of of America. I mean, it issues it as
this fiftom. It's just it's just so worrying. I come,
I can't. You can only laugh about it any clearer,
really worry.
Speaker 2 (02:22):
No, you've been briefly. You're not sitting on the fence
on that one. Tell you what really got my attention
in relation to the show is the fact that you
are donating one hundred percent of all royalties to the
Starship Children's Hospital. And this is in perpetuity. It seems
like an amazing like an amazing gesture.
Speaker 3 (02:40):
No it's not. It's very easy. It doesn't cost me anything,
does it. I'm you know, I'm I like I like writing.
I enjoy writing. I enjoyed writing this, I enjoyed performing it.
And I just signed the entire works over to them
because if there's any future in it, and I've bought
my crugs, they'll still be getting something back from it.
My big hope is to turn it into an animated movie,
(03:03):
into an animated film, because it's got plenty of scope
for that, and that would be another another royalty stream
for them.
Speaker 2 (03:10):
Why did you choose Statia?
Speaker 3 (03:12):
I'm I became involved with children's hospitals in England when
I was doing a program called the Crystal Maize and
I became a fundraiser for the row Manchester Children's Hospital
there and it gave me a great deal of pleasure
to do that. When I came to New Zealand, I thought,
I'll take on board the Starship as my as my
(03:34):
main kind of charitable kind of journey. And I have
no problem with it whatsoever? Children shouldn't die before their parents,
and in a just is so so easy, and it
doesn't come it doesn't come confined with other any other
kind of overbearing kinds of thoughts, like religion or political
kinds of thing. It's simply to get children back home again.
(03:58):
So I like that thought as well.
Speaker 2 (04:00):
Are you a parent yourself?
Speaker 4 (04:02):
Yes?
Speaker 3 (04:02):
I am. Indeed I've got three children and six lovely
you grandchildren?
Speaker 2 (04:06):
Yeah, because I mean, how do I put this politely?
You know you're not as young as you used to be,
are you?
Speaker 3 (04:12):
None of us are I'm eighty to No. I can't
believe it's it's crept up on me, but here we are.
Speaker 2 (04:19):
You were warned, you know you were warned.
Speaker 3 (04:23):
Doing okay? I okay, I'm very grateful for that as well.
What I've been lucky?
Speaker 2 (04:29):
What's it like? And I'm not going to focus on
on on your age too much, but what's it like
taking a show on the road when you're you know,
being around a.
Speaker 4 (04:39):
Bit instance, instructor, we've been staying at one or two
motels that have been designed by Stalin. The hotel had
the thing over the laboratory it said, please only.
Speaker 3 (04:54):
Flush a toilet paper here. Well, that's going to be
a bit difficult, isn't It.
Speaker 2 (05:01):
Sounds like you're enjoying it putting on the road.
Speaker 3 (05:04):
I am. We've got a lovely company, and so it's
so nice every day is all right, because you know
it's it's we know we're going to all be happy
together doing what we're doing. And there's no you know,
any anything that becomes a bit of a strain. Is
it can be deep dealt with because we're grown ups
and they're a lovely team of people.
Speaker 2 (05:26):
Do you has there ever been a time where you've
just had a complete guts full of the rocky horror show?
Speaker 3 (05:34):
No, not at all, No, not at all. To have
something that makes people laugh and understand at the back
of the theater and when when the band's cooking and
the gales of laughter are coming from the audience, it's
just it's just so uplifting. It's just delightful.
Speaker 2 (05:51):
How much of a connection or involvement do you still
have on it, because you know, I know that you
know when when when schools put on shows that they
have to play royalties and all that sort of stuff,
what sort of connection do you have to that side?
Of the of the business part of the Rocky Horror Show.
Speaker 3 (06:07):
I don't I don't. I don't engage too much on
the business side of things. As long as as long
as such show has been done well, we do. Quality
control is where I come in. And that's that's basically it.
I have. I am a chap called Howard Panther, and
now Sir Howard Panther has been taking the show around
the world and he is such a trustworthy human being
(06:30):
and dedicated to the theater and you know, you know
that that's it's never going to get a tacky under
his kind of watch. So that's I'm very grateful for
him that being involved all these years.
Speaker 2 (06:43):
Do you ever regret and I'd regrets the right word,
but you know you you went away and you major
mark and and you came back to New Zealand you know,
a completely different person. Do you kind of wish that
you could have done that the way things are done now,
being so much more connected, not having to go away,
not having to start again somewhere, or do you think
(07:05):
that that was that was a great thing?
Speaker 3 (07:08):
No, I was at I was at a crossroads in
my life when when I went overseas in nineteen sixty four.
I didn't I didn't want to remain cutting hair for
the rest of my life. I knew that that was
a certainty, but I was completely unsure of what I
wanted to do. It was like going around and round
a round about, waiting for an exit to a peer
that looked prosperous or posible, you know, had some kind
(07:32):
of I don't know, avenue of hope attached to it.
And I just got to London and sixty five and
started riding horses and movies and thought I'd take myself
off to an evening class drama school. I met some
delightful people there who you know, have been my firm
(07:54):
friends for all these years. And it just like what
John Lennon said, his life is what happens while you
were making other plans in many.
Speaker 2 (08:01):
Cases exactly, and of us, what is it? All around
a alturn on the end. It was not a run.
Speaker 3 (08:08):
It's not the end, yes, I know, it's at one door.
I was having this conversation the other day when when
some people think when the door closes, they get shot,
they get I don't know fired, for instance. So something
goes wrong and they think the world has collapsed around them.
It's not necessarily a bad thing. Sometimes it can be
(08:30):
the best thing that ever happened to you. And I
can say that because I was let go from Jesus
Christ Superstar. But if I hadn't been let go, I
wouldn't have written Rocky and and and and so you know,
it was, it was, it was. It was a blessing
in disguise. I was having this conversation with the Lane
(08:51):
Page once because she auditioned for Rocky and she didn't
get the job, and I said to her later on,
you know, if you'd got that job, you wouldn't have
got a Vita, and a Vita was your thing. It
was was marvelous. So it was what seemed like a
you know, a bad moment in your life, is could
actually be, you know, the turning point for something better.
(09:11):
Don't give up on yourself.
Speaker 2 (09:13):
How long did it take you to get over being
let go and then deciding you were going to sit
your own distantly by coming up with your own show.
Speaker 3 (09:22):
I'd say about six months actually thinking about it. I
went home and I thought, I'm going to get another job.
I might I need to maybe come back to New
Zealand because I'd just become a parent, and the responsibility
of being a father was weighing upon me, and I
didn't want to be one of those people waiting for
the phone to ring forever. And while I was doing that,
(09:42):
going through that process, I was asked to entertain that
the staff at Emi Film Studios for their Christmas party.
So I cobbled a few jokes together and wrote a
song specifically for the evenings. It was a film evening,
and I wrote science fiction double feature. And I went
and performed for them and cheered them up. I know
(10:03):
I was successful. The little spot was successful, and I
came away were from that feeling better and thought, at
that time, maybe this song is a prologue for a
musical based on B movies and sci fi and all
those things. And and it proved to be right, you know,
the right thing to do?
Speaker 2 (10:22):
What convinced you? And at what point was it then
you realize that you realized it was the right thing
to do. You realized you had something that was going
to take off.
Speaker 3 (10:31):
Now we didn't know it was going to take off.
It was the right thing to do because it was
a hell of a lot.
Speaker 2 (10:34):
Oh yeah, but when anything, ye, when was it though,
when you when you realized or what was it when
you realized, actually, this is this thing's.
Speaker 3 (10:42):
Cooking in rehearsal. We were in rehearsals. We were we
were people set it around the piano, singing the songs,
and big smiles on the faces all the way down
to the bottom of the theater. We knew we were
We knew we were having a happy time, and that
was enough for us. Actually, when we didn't care about
whether it have a future. We knew and at that
(11:04):
present moment of time, we knew we were doing having
a hell of a whale of a time, you know,
making comedy and havking some laughs and singing some songs.
Speaker 2 (11:14):
Do you think that you would have been able to
head the freedom to feel that way these days? Because
it's a little bit like the music industry, isn't it.
You know, back in the day it had Addison studio
and time constraints, I understand, weren't what they are now.
Do you think you would have the creative freedom and
the sense of personal freedom to do the same thing
(11:35):
these days?
Speaker 3 (11:36):
I have no idea how it works for the present day.
And back in those days there were opportunities everywhere windows open.
You could go into a studio and make a demo
and an assetate demo and play it to somebody and
they might run off a couple of hundred singles and
(11:57):
just test the market, and the next minute you've got
to hit It was as simple as that. That access
isn't there anymore. Records aren't that sold the same way
we get up. We receive our information and entertainment through
podcasts and you know, YouTube and various different places, and
it's the world has changed. We don't We don't really
(12:19):
share collective experiences anymore, do we?
Speaker 4 (12:23):
No, we don't know.
Speaker 2 (12:24):
You're right, we're someone We think we're communal, but we're
probably more isolated than ever. What are you going to
be doing in the in the Isaac Theater Royal Show
in two weeks time, I'm.
Speaker 3 (12:35):
Going to be singing a couple of songs. That's it. Really.
I'm really looking forward to it because there's some great
people on here, and I met her when I was
doing the DNA Detectives. She's lovely. Miriam Margolis is an
old chart than the rest of these people who will
be new to me, and I'm really looking forward to
it. It looks like a stunning evening. Actually, it's going.
Speaker 2 (12:55):
To be amazing. We're going to fly, but we're going
to give people the opportunity to win a VIP double pass.
And I always ask them a question to ring up
and answer. Can you just tell me? Because I'm really
interested in the requirements you have of people when they
come to visit your house, that they have to be kind,
inclusive and respectful.
Speaker 5 (13:16):
Why is that we don't want any we don't want
any right wing people on them, but we're center left.
Speaker 2 (13:24):
I would never have picked that up, Richard.
Speaker 5 (13:30):
You know we don't want any right wing people on that.
If we don't want any people that.
Speaker 3 (13:33):
To celebrate greed on the back porch and nice, nice people,
is it all we require?
Speaker 4 (13:39):
All right?
Speaker 2 (13:39):
Brilliant? Hey, thank you Richard and all the very best.
We'll see in two weeks time.
Speaker 3 (13:43):
Thank you, John, Thank you.
Speaker 4 (13:44):
Buye now.
Speaker 2 (13:44):
Richard O'Brien with us
Speaker 1 (13:46):
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Speaker 2 (00:12):
Richard O'Brien, you know that name, the creative wonder who
came up with the Rocky horror show back in the day.
He'll tell us how far back in the day it is.
He's one of the big stars of the Isaac Theater
Royals Anniversary concert two weeks on Sunday night, so it's
getting close and he's got a new show. He's touring
a new show as well. It's called The Kingdom of
Bling and Richard O'Brian's worth us now Goday, Richard, Hello.
(00:37):
The Kingdom of Bling I was reading, has been inspired
by Donald Trump. The timing seems incredible. What's the connection
between the show and Trump.
Speaker 3 (00:48):
Well, it's a sirical fairy tale that hits out this
dreadful human being because there's the idea of him getting
back into the White House is too terrifying for the
entire world. He is what he says he is, is
discussed as a disgusting human being and he makes no
(01:09):
bones about it. So that's what it's about, really and
making the audience laugh at the same time. That's that's
essential entertainment is essential, so you know not and I'm not.
We're not out on the road hitting people over the
head with a with a heavy message, but with you know,
having a little needly point that it's using satire and
and we're hopefully to make our point. It's quitely to
(01:32):
be successful. And everybody seems to be liking it. We've
got two more dates, one tonight and mon tomorrow and
then it's all over.
Speaker 2 (01:38):
Will you be bringing it or taking it on the
road again if he becomes.
Speaker 3 (01:44):
President regardless of that, but its future is uncertain. I
know there's a production put planned in Los Angeles, which
will obviously be after the after the elections. Yes, it's
something that always needs to be said. We can't. We
just can't allow this dreadful human being to take control
(02:08):
of of of America. I mean, it issues it as
this fiftom. It's just it's just so worrying. I come,
I can't. You can only laugh about it any clearer,
really worry.
Speaker 2 (02:22):
No, you've been briefly. You're not sitting on the fence
on that one. Tell you what really got my attention
in relation to the show is the fact that you
are donating one hundred percent of all royalties to the
Starship Children's Hospital. And this is in perpetuity. It seems
like an amazing like an amazing gesture.
Speaker 3 (02:40):
No it's not. It's very easy. It doesn't cost me anything,
does it. I'm you know, I'm I like I like writing.
I enjoy writing. I enjoyed writing this, I enjoyed performing it.
And I just signed the entire works over to them
because if there's any future in it, and I've bought
my crugs, they'll still be getting something back from it.
My big hope is to turn it into an animated movie,
(03:03):
into an animated film, because it's got plenty of scope
for that, and that would be another another royalty stream
for them.
Speaker 2 (03:10):
Why did you choose Statia?
Speaker 3 (03:12):
I'm I became involved with children's hospitals in England when
I was doing a program called the Crystal Maize and
I became a fundraiser for the row Manchester Children's Hospital
there and it gave me a great deal of pleasure
to do that. When I came to New Zealand, I thought,
I'll take on board the Starship as my as my
(03:34):
main kind of charitable kind of journey. And I have
no problem with it whatsoever? Children shouldn't die before their parents,
and in a just is so so easy, and it
doesn't come it doesn't come confined with other any other
kind of overbearing kinds of thoughts, like religion or political
kinds of thing. It's simply to get children back home again.
(03:58):
So I like that thought as well.
Speaker 2 (04:00):
Are you a parent yourself?
Speaker 4 (04:02):
Yes?
Speaker 3 (04:02):
I am. Indeed I've got three children and six lovely
you grandchildren?
Speaker 2 (04:06):
Yeah, because I mean, how do I put this politely?
You know you're not as young as you used to be,
are you?
Speaker 3 (04:12):
None of us are I'm eighty to No. I can't
believe it's it's crept up on me, but here we are.
Speaker 2 (04:19):
You were warned, you know you were warned.
Speaker 3 (04:23):
Doing okay? I okay, I'm very grateful for that as well.
What I've been lucky?
Speaker 2 (04:29):
What's it like? And I'm not going to focus on
on on your age too much, but what's it like
taking a show on the road when you're you know,
being around a.
Speaker 4 (04:39):
Bit instance, instructor, we've been staying at one or two
motels that have been designed by Stalin. The hotel had
the thing over the laboratory it said, please only.
Speaker 3 (04:54):
Flush a toilet paper here. Well, that's going to be
a bit difficult, isn't It.
Speaker 2 (05:01):
Sounds like you're enjoying it putting on the road.
Speaker 3 (05:04):
I am. We've got a lovely company, and so it's
so nice every day is all right, because you know
it's it's we know we're going to all be happy
together doing what we're doing. And there's no you know,
any anything that becomes a bit of a strain. Is
it can be deep dealt with because we're grown ups
and they're a lovely team of people.
Speaker 2 (05:26):
Do you has there ever been a time where you've
just had a complete guts full of the rocky horror show?
Speaker 3 (05:34):
No, not at all, No, not at all. To have
something that makes people laugh and understand at the back
of the theater and when when the band's cooking and
the gales of laughter are coming from the audience, it's
just it's just so uplifting. It's just delightful.
Speaker 2 (05:51):
How much of a connection or involvement do you still
have on it, because you know, I know that you
know when when when schools put on shows that they
have to play royalties and all that sort of stuff,
what sort of connection do you have to that side?
Of the of the business part of the Rocky Horror Show.
Speaker 3 (06:07):
I don't I don't. I don't engage too much on
the business side of things. As long as as long
as such show has been done well, we do. Quality
control is where I come in. And that's that's basically it.
I have. I am a chap called Howard Panther, and
now Sir Howard Panther has been taking the show around
the world and he is such a trustworthy human being
(06:30):
and dedicated to the theater and you know, you know
that that's it's never going to get a tacky under
his kind of watch. So that's I'm very grateful for
him that being involved all these years.
Speaker 2 (06:43):
Do you ever regret and I'd regrets the right word,
but you know you you went away and you major
mark and and you came back to New Zealand you know,
a completely different person. Do you kind of wish that
you could have done that the way things are done now,
being so much more connected, not having to go away,
not having to start again somewhere, or do you think
(07:05):
that that was that was a great thing?
Speaker 3 (07:08):
No, I was at I was at a crossroads in
my life when when I went overseas in nineteen sixty four.
I didn't I didn't want to remain cutting hair for
the rest of my life. I knew that that was
a certainty, but I was completely unsure of what I
wanted to do. It was like going around and round
a round about, waiting for an exit to a peer
that looked prosperous or posible, you know, had some kind
(07:32):
of I don't know, avenue of hope attached to it.
And I just got to London and sixty five and
started riding horses and movies and thought I'd take myself
off to an evening class drama school. I met some
delightful people there who you know, have been my firm
(07:54):
friends for all these years. And it just like what
John Lennon said, his life is what happens while you
were making other plans in many.
Speaker 2 (08:01):
Cases exactly, and of us, what is it? All around
a alturn on the end. It was not a run.
Speaker 3 (08:08):
It's not the end, yes, I know, it's at one door.
I was having this conversation the other day when when
some people think when the door closes, they get shot,
they get I don't know fired, for instance. So something
goes wrong and they think the world has collapsed around them.
It's not necessarily a bad thing. Sometimes it can be
(08:30):
the best thing that ever happened to you. And I
can say that because I was let go from Jesus
Christ Superstar. But if I hadn't been let go, I
wouldn't have written Rocky and and and and so you know,
it was, it was, it was. It was a blessing
in disguise. I was having this conversation with the Lane
(08:51):
Page once because she auditioned for Rocky and she didn't
get the job, and I said to her later on,
you know, if you'd got that job, you wouldn't have
got a Vita, and a Vita was your thing. It
was was marvelous. So it was what seemed like a
you know, a bad moment in your life, is could
actually be, you know, the turning point for something better.
(09:11):
Don't give up on yourself.
Speaker 2 (09:13):
How long did it take you to get over being
let go and then deciding you were going to sit
your own distantly by coming up with your own show.
Speaker 3 (09:22):
I'd say about six months actually thinking about it. I
went home and I thought, I'm going to get another job.
I might I need to maybe come back to New
Zealand because I'd just become a parent, and the responsibility
of being a father was weighing upon me, and I
didn't want to be one of those people waiting for
the phone to ring forever. And while I was doing that,
(09:42):
going through that process, I was asked to entertain that
the staff at Emi Film Studios for their Christmas party.
So I cobbled a few jokes together and wrote a
song specifically for the evenings. It was a film evening,
and I wrote science fiction double feature. And I went
and performed for them and cheered them up. I know
(10:03):
I was successful. The little spot was successful, and I
came away were from that feeling better and thought, at
that time, maybe this song is a prologue for a
musical based on B movies and sci fi and all
those things. And and it proved to be right, you know,
the right thing to do?
Speaker 2 (10:22):
What convinced you? And at what point was it then
you realize that you realized it was the right thing
to do. You realized you had something that was going
to take off.
Speaker 3 (10:31):
Now we didn't know it was going to take off.
It was the right thing to do because it was
a hell of a lot.
Speaker 2 (10:34):
Oh yeah, but when anything, ye, when was it though,
when you when you realized or what was it when
you realized, actually, this is this thing's.
Speaker 3 (10:42):
Cooking in rehearsal. We were in rehearsals. We were we
were people set it around the piano, singing the songs,
and big smiles on the faces all the way down
to the bottom of the theater. We knew we were
We knew we were having a happy time, and that
was enough for us. Actually, when we didn't care about
whether it have a future. We knew and at that
(11:04):
present moment of time, we knew we were doing having
a hell of a whale of a time, you know,
making comedy and havking some laughs and singing some songs.
Speaker 2 (11:14):
Do you think that you would have been able to
head the freedom to feel that way these days? Because
it's a little bit like the music industry, isn't it.
You know, back in the day it had Addison studio
and time constraints, I understand, weren't what they are now.
Do you think you would have the creative freedom and
the sense of personal freedom to do the same thing
(11:35):
these days?
Speaker 3 (11:36):
I have no idea how it works for the present day.
And back in those days there were opportunities everywhere windows open.
You could go into a studio and make a demo
and an assetate demo and play it to somebody and
they might run off a couple of hundred singles and
(11:57):
just test the market, and the next minute you've got
to hit It was as simple as that. That access
isn't there anymore. Records aren't that sold the same way
we get up. We receive our information and entertainment through
podcasts and you know, YouTube and various different places, and
it's the world has changed. We don't We don't really
(12:19):
share collective experiences anymore, do we?
Speaker 4 (12:23):
No, we don't know.
Speaker 2 (12:24):
You're right, we're someone We think we're communal, but we're
probably more isolated than ever. What are you going to
be doing in the in the Isaac Theater Royal Show
in two weeks time, I'm.
Speaker 3 (12:35):
Going to be singing a couple of songs. That's it. Really.
I'm really looking forward to it because there's some great
people on here, and I met her when I was
doing the DNA Detectives. She's lovely. Miriam Margolis is an
old chart than the rest of these people who will
be new to me, and I'm really looking forward to
it. It looks like a stunning evening. Actually, it's going.
Speaker 2 (12:55):
To be amazing. We're going to fly, but we're going
to give people the opportunity to win a VIP double pass.
And I always ask them a question to ring up
and answer. Can you just tell me? Because I'm really
interested in the requirements you have of people when they
come to visit your house, that they have to be kind,
inclusive and respectful.
Speaker 5 (13:16):
Why is that we don't want any we don't want
any right wing people on them, but we're center left.
Speaker 2 (13:24):
I would never have picked that up, Richard.
Speaker 5 (13:30):
You know we don't want any right wing people on that.
If we don't want any people that.
Speaker 3 (13:33):
To celebrate greed on the back porch and nice, nice people,
is it all we require?
Speaker 4 (13:39):
All right?
Speaker 2 (13:39):
Brilliant? Hey, thank you Richard and all the very best.
We'll see in two weeks time.
Speaker 3 (13:43):
Thank you, John, Thank you.
Speaker 4 (13:44):
Buye now.
Speaker 2 (13:44):
Richard O'Brien with us
Speaker 1 (13:46):
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