November 19, 2024 • 7 mins
Labour leader Chris Hipkins says he had no problem with Te Pati Māori's haka in the House last week, during the vote on ACT's Treaty Principle Bill.
David Seymour, the National Party, and Shane Jones have written to Speaker Gerry Brownlee.
They say the Speaker should oversee rule changes at Parliament in light of the disruption.
Hipkins told John MacDonald it's worth instead looking at Winston Peters, who he describes as one of the worst-behaved MPs.
He says it's wonderful Jones and Seymour have appointed themselves Parliament's hall monitors, but they could lead by example and speak to their own leaders.
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Speaker 1 (00:06):
You're listening to the Canterbury Mornings podcast with John McDonald
from News Talk ZB.
Speaker 2 (00:12):
It's time for a regular catch up with Labor and
Opposition leader Chris Hopkins.
Speaker 3 (00:16):
Chris, how are you going? John?
Speaker 2 (00:19):
I'm very well. You've got problems with MPs wearing cowboy
hats and feathers in the debating chamber.
Speaker 3 (00:25):
I mean the speakers. It's the dress standard. I've always
the speaker mallod for a mallet. Actually, a few years
ago relaxed the rule around tires. I still wear a
tie in the debating chamber because the way I look
at it, it's a war memorial. Then I wouldn't show
up to an RSA war memorial event without wearing a tie,
and so I wear a tie in the Parliamentary debating chamber.
Speaker 2 (00:45):
But you would would?
Speaker 3 (00:47):
You should set the standard and people should follow it.
Speaker 2 (00:49):
Would you turn up to a memorial event and a
cowboy hat?
Speaker 3 (00:54):
No? No, probably not to be for you.
Speaker 2 (00:57):
So therefore your view would be that the the MP
or any MP wearing a cowboy hat should be asked
to remove the hat.
Speaker 3 (01:06):
Well, that's a question for the speaker, you know, the speaker.
Speaker 2 (01:09):
But we've got an opinion you've given, well, you've given
half an opinion. What's what's the other book? Should should
the cowboy heck go?
Speaker 3 (01:17):
I mean, look, that's a question for the speaker. Tell
us John, It's not something I've spent a lot of
time thinking about.
Speaker 2 (01:23):
What about behavior in Parliament? So Shane Jones and David
Symour and the Prime Minister as well on News Storks
this morning, saying that the rules need to be looked
at and possibly toughened up because the behavior isn't up
to scratch. What's your assessment?
Speaker 3 (01:37):
I think Christopher Luxan and Shane Jones could lean over
and talk to the guy who sits next to them.
Who's one of Parliament's worse behaved MPs. That's Winston Peters.
If you actually look at the record, there's only I
think he's the only MP in living memory who's been
named more than once, so you know, Winston Peters break
breaks the rules on a daily basis. I think it's
wonderful that Shane Jones and David Seama have appointed themselves
(01:58):
Parliament's Hall monitors, but maybe they could lead by example
and speak to their own leaders.
Speaker 2 (02:04):
Maybe one answer answer the question, now, our standards up scratch.
Do you think that the rules need to be looked
at and need to be implemented in a more tough fashion.
Speaker 3 (02:15):
Do you think Jimmy Browny's not doing a bad job
and enforcing the rules as there? I think the rules
are pretty good and you've always got to allow for
a passion in parliament. I mean, Parliament would be a
pretty bitless exercise if everybody just stood up and read
their speech notes to each other. You know, I think
we actually see too much of that in parliament. Frankly,
I think people should actually show a bit more passion
in Parliament and the debate and say what they think
(02:36):
rather than just reading out the notes of their research
teams have given them.
Speaker 2 (02:39):
So was the haker acceptable last week?
Speaker 3 (02:43):
If we allow for a hacker at the conclusion of
the debates, if we allow when it suits us, if
we allow for the hacker when parliament is opened, you know,
we have to accept the fact that this hucker is
going to be part of parliamentary for coal, then it's
part of parliamentary protocol.
Speaker 2 (02:59):
Yeah. But my take on this is that Parliament is
no different from any other workplace and if someone did
what I think most people would accept and agree was
a rather aggressive harker. If someone did that to colleagues
and any other workplace, they'd be taken to task for that,
wouldn't they.
Speaker 3 (03:16):
Well, I mean, you know, on the debates around the treaty,
the hacker as you know, if you went on too
it my eye, and you were saying something that agreed
or disagree with, then you could experience a hacker. Sometimes
the hackers used to express agreement with somebody.
Speaker 2 (03:30):
Right, yeah, yeah, yeah, but what happened, what happened. But
what happened in parliament.
Speaker 3 (03:33):
Plasks, givings, and the hackers used regularly to celebrate the
successes of the top students at a school.
Speaker 2 (03:38):
Yes I know that, I know that so but yes,
but in parliament last week you're saying that that was
perfectly fine as well. I didn't have a problem with
it last or yesterday. I sat on the news last
night and you wrap around shades having a look at
the at the heckoy, what was going through your head
when you were watching that on the on the Parliamentary
(03:59):
grounds yesterday?
Speaker 3 (04:01):
So I was actually pretty uplifted by it. I was
expecting it to be a pretty angry protest, you know,
and I understood the reasons for that, and actually it wasn't.
There was a very positive it was very unifying. There
were a lot of non Mardi, there're a lot of
packier people, a lot of migrants, and I think, you know,
there was genuinely was pretty positive people wanting to say, hey, look,
(04:22):
let's not let this dibate debate tear the country apart.
I took a lot of comfort from there. You know,
the speakers were by and large focused on messages of unity,
and I thought that was great.
Speaker 2 (04:33):
Were you enjoying it?
Speaker 3 (04:36):
I mean it was a beautiful sunny day, so that
certainly helps.
Speaker 2 (04:40):
And the trendy principals. Bill, my take on this is
that the Prime Minister needs to shown leadership and just
kick it down the road right now. What's your response
to that?
Speaker 3 (04:48):
Totally absolutely agree. You know, he never should have agreed
to it in the first place. I think people are
you know, when you've got people like Jenny Shipley, Christopher
Fillers and even John Key saying, hey, this is not
the right way of approaching this. They're hardly hardly lefty
love have they when they're saying this is the wrong
way to approach it. I think the National partg should
listen to that. So too late now though, No, I
(05:11):
mean they can kill it off pretty quickly if they
wanted to. They could get the elect Committee to report
the bill back tomorrow and they could vote it down
next time Parliament meets. There's no reason why this needs
to linger.
Speaker 2 (05:22):
So why is Christopher Lutsen letting it linger?
Speaker 3 (05:27):
That's really a question that he hasn't given a proper
answer for. I mean, the coalition agreement said they vote
for it at first reading. They've now extended that to
be a six month select committee process, and ecually one
of the only bills this government's introduced at the election,
this Conda's elect Committee for a full six months. Almost
everything else they've done has been rushed through under agency,
so they could knock this out very quickly and be
(05:48):
completely consistent with their overall approach to governing.
Speaker 2 (05:50):
All right, fourteen past ten. One final thing to cover off.
We are aware that your signature. The signature has been
analyzed by a handwriting expert.
Speaker 3 (05:59):
You know, I wasn't. I hate to think what they've
come up with.
Speaker 2 (06:02):
I'm going to tell you. Let me tell you then
I'll get you a quick response. So this is what
that's the look at your signature horoscope. They said, this,
in my humble and uninformed opinion, is a real doctor's signature.
You can likely see the shape of Sea Hipkins, but
in a way that suggests that the opposition leader has
to sign things every single day. From this, this is
(06:24):
what the expert said. Hipkins is extroverted and enjoys meeting
and discussing things with other people. He can be friendly
and generous, though at times suspicious. We'll just say of that.
Speaker 3 (06:40):
Just about everybody in parliament really, but yeah, no, I
mean I think if you can enjoy meeting new people,
then politics probably is not the gig for you.
Speaker 2 (06:48):
Are you generous?
Speaker 3 (06:52):
Broke? So that's got to say something, right?
Speaker 2 (06:55):
Are you suspicious?
Speaker 3 (06:59):
I'm a skeptic. I think there's a difference between cynicism
and skepticism. I think I think everybody should be skeptical.
We should always question, but I think we shouldn't be cynical,
and so I'm a skeptic.
Speaker 2 (07:11):
All right. One final thing the expert said, based on
looking at your signature, it said that you consider yourself
worthy of attention, and you could portray an air of
authority when making an entrance.
Speaker 3 (07:26):
No one's ever said that of me before, but yeah, okay,
I'll take that one. Thank you.
Speaker 2 (07:31):
Do you like, are you worthy of attention?
Speaker 3 (07:35):
And well, I mean I hope, so I seek to
be worthy.
Speaker 2 (07:39):
When you get it from us? If you two weeks
and we'll catch up again in a fortnight. Thank you, Jod.
Good to talk to you by that.
Speaker 1 (07:47):
For more from Caterbory Mornings with John McDonald, listen live
to news Talk Said be christ Church from nine am weekdays,
or follow the podcast on iHeartRadio
You're listening to the Canterbury Mornings podcast with John McDonald
from News Talk ZB.
Speaker 2 (00:12):
It's time for a regular catch up with Labor and
Opposition leader Chris Hopkins.
Speaker 3 (00:16):
Chris, how are you going? John?
Speaker 2 (00:19):
I'm very well. You've got problems with MPs wearing cowboy
hats and feathers in the debating chamber.
Speaker 3 (00:25):
I mean the speakers. It's the dress standard. I've always
the speaker mallod for a mallet. Actually, a few years
ago relaxed the rule around tires. I still wear a
tie in the debating chamber because the way I look
at it, it's a war memorial. Then I wouldn't show
up to an RSA war memorial event without wearing a tie,
and so I wear a tie in the Parliamentary debating chamber.
Speaker 2 (00:45):
But you would would?
Speaker 3 (00:47):
You should set the standard and people should follow it.
Speaker 2 (00:49):
Would you turn up to a memorial event and a
cowboy hat?
Speaker 3 (00:54):
No? No, probably not to be for you.
Speaker 2 (00:57):
So therefore your view would be that the the MP
or any MP wearing a cowboy hat should be asked
to remove the hat.
Speaker 3 (01:06):
Well, that's a question for the speaker, you know, the speaker.
Speaker 2 (01:09):
But we've got an opinion you've given, well, you've given
half an opinion. What's what's the other book? Should should
the cowboy heck go?
Speaker 3 (01:17):
I mean, look, that's a question for the speaker. Tell
us John, It's not something I've spent a lot of
time thinking about.
Speaker 2 (01:23):
What about behavior in Parliament? So Shane Jones and David
Symour and the Prime Minister as well on News Storks
this morning, saying that the rules need to be looked
at and possibly toughened up because the behavior isn't up
to scratch. What's your assessment?
Speaker 3 (01:37):
I think Christopher Luxan and Shane Jones could lean over
and talk to the guy who sits next to them.
Who's one of Parliament's worse behaved MPs. That's Winston Peters.
If you actually look at the record, there's only I
think he's the only MP in living memory who's been
named more than once, so you know, Winston Peters break
breaks the rules on a daily basis. I think it's
wonderful that Shane Jones and David Seama have appointed themselves
(01:58):
Parliament's Hall monitors, but maybe they could lead by example
and speak to their own leaders.
Speaker 2 (02:04):
Maybe one answer answer the question, now, our standards up scratch.
Do you think that the rules need to be looked
at and need to be implemented in a more tough fashion.
Speaker 3 (02:15):
Do you think Jimmy Browny's not doing a bad job
and enforcing the rules as there? I think the rules
are pretty good and you've always got to allow for
a passion in parliament. I mean, Parliament would be a
pretty bitless exercise if everybody just stood up and read
their speech notes to each other. You know, I think
we actually see too much of that in parliament. Frankly,
I think people should actually show a bit more passion
in Parliament and the debate and say what they think
(02:36):
rather than just reading out the notes of their research
teams have given them.
Speaker 2 (02:39):
So was the haker acceptable last week?
Speaker 3 (02:43):
If we allow for a hacker at the conclusion of
the debates, if we allow when it suits us, if
we allow for the hacker when parliament is opened, you know,
we have to accept the fact that this hucker is
going to be part of parliamentary for coal, then it's
part of parliamentary protocol.
Speaker 2 (02:59):
Yeah. But my take on this is that Parliament is
no different from any other workplace and if someone did
what I think most people would accept and agree was
a rather aggressive harker. If someone did that to colleagues
and any other workplace, they'd be taken to task for that,
wouldn't they.
Speaker 3 (03:16):
Well, I mean, you know, on the debates around the treaty,
the hacker as you know, if you went on too
it my eye, and you were saying something that agreed
or disagree with, then you could experience a hacker. Sometimes
the hackers used to express agreement with somebody.
Speaker 2 (03:30):
Right, yeah, yeah, yeah, but what happened, what happened. But
what happened in parliament.
Speaker 3 (03:33):
Plasks, givings, and the hackers used regularly to celebrate the
successes of the top students at a school.
Speaker 2 (03:38):
Yes I know that, I know that so but yes,
but in parliament last week you're saying that that was
perfectly fine as well. I didn't have a problem with
it last or yesterday. I sat on the news last
night and you wrap around shades having a look at
the at the heckoy, what was going through your head
when you were watching that on the on the Parliamentary
(03:59):
grounds yesterday?
Speaker 3 (04:01):
So I was actually pretty uplifted by it. I was
expecting it to be a pretty angry protest, you know,
and I understood the reasons for that, and actually it wasn't.
There was a very positive it was very unifying. There
were a lot of non Mardi, there're a lot of
packier people, a lot of migrants, and I think, you know,
there was genuinely was pretty positive people wanting to say, hey, look,
(04:22):
let's not let this dibate debate tear the country apart.
I took a lot of comfort from there. You know,
the speakers were by and large focused on messages of unity,
and I thought that was great.
Speaker 2 (04:33):
Were you enjoying it?
Speaker 3 (04:36):
I mean it was a beautiful sunny day, so that
certainly helps.
Speaker 2 (04:40):
And the trendy principals. Bill, my take on this is
that the Prime Minister needs to shown leadership and just
kick it down the road right now. What's your response
to that?
Speaker 3 (04:48):
Totally absolutely agree. You know, he never should have agreed
to it in the first place. I think people are
you know, when you've got people like Jenny Shipley, Christopher
Fillers and even John Key saying, hey, this is not
the right way of approaching this. They're hardly hardly lefty
love have they when they're saying this is the wrong
way to approach it. I think the National partg should
listen to that. So too late now though, No, I
(05:11):
mean they can kill it off pretty quickly if they
wanted to. They could get the elect Committee to report
the bill back tomorrow and they could vote it down
next time Parliament meets. There's no reason why this needs
to linger.
Speaker 2 (05:22):
So why is Christopher Lutsen letting it linger?
Speaker 3 (05:27):
That's really a question that he hasn't given a proper
answer for. I mean, the coalition agreement said they vote
for it at first reading. They've now extended that to
be a six month select committee process, and ecually one
of the only bills this government's introduced at the election,
this Conda's elect Committee for a full six months. Almost
everything else they've done has been rushed through under agency,
so they could knock this out very quickly and be
(05:48):
completely consistent with their overall approach to governing.
Speaker 2 (05:50):
All right, fourteen past ten. One final thing to cover off.
We are aware that your signature. The signature has been
analyzed by a handwriting expert.
Speaker 3 (05:59):
You know, I wasn't. I hate to think what they've
come up with.
Speaker 2 (06:02):
I'm going to tell you. Let me tell you then
I'll get you a quick response. So this is what
that's the look at your signature horoscope. They said, this,
in my humble and uninformed opinion, is a real doctor's signature.
You can likely see the shape of Sea Hipkins, but
in a way that suggests that the opposition leader has
to sign things every single day. From this, this is
(06:24):
what the expert said. Hipkins is extroverted and enjoys meeting
and discussing things with other people. He can be friendly
and generous, though at times suspicious. We'll just say of that.
Speaker 3 (06:40):
Just about everybody in parliament really, but yeah, no, I
mean I think if you can enjoy meeting new people,
then politics probably is not the gig for you.
Speaker 2 (06:48):
Are you generous?
Speaker 3 (06:52):
Broke? So that's got to say something, right?
Speaker 2 (06:55):
Are you suspicious?
Speaker 3 (06:59):
I'm a skeptic. I think there's a difference between cynicism
and skepticism. I think I think everybody should be skeptical.
We should always question, but I think we shouldn't be cynical,
and so I'm a skeptic.
Speaker 2 (07:11):
All right. One final thing the expert said, based on
looking at your signature, it said that you consider yourself
worthy of attention, and you could portray an air of
authority when making an entrance.
Speaker 3 (07:26):
No one's ever said that of me before, but yeah, okay,
I'll take that one. Thank you.
Speaker 2 (07:31):
Do you like, are you worthy of attention?
Speaker 3 (07:35):
And well, I mean I hope, so I seek to
be worthy.
Speaker 2 (07:39):
When you get it from us? If you two weeks
and we'll catch up again in a fortnight. Thank you, Jod.
Good to talk to you by that.
Speaker 1 (07:47):
For more from Caterbory Mornings with John McDonald, listen live
to news Talk Said be christ Church from nine am weekdays,
or follow the podcast on iHeartRadio
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