Full Show Podcast: 8 June 2024

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Speaker 1 (00:07):
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B mor in a good Morning New Zealand, welcome to

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news doorgs. He'd be Jack Tayman the hot seat with
you through to midday today after ninety two years. In
a few hours, Lady June, Hillary will be remembered in Auckland.
A remarkable life, remarkable life of service and experience. And
this morning on Newstalks, he'd be We are going to
turn back the hands of time a little bit and
consider the ways in which that great mountain associated with

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the Hillary name has changed since nineteen fifty three, The
incredible ways that Mount Everest has changed since Tensing and
Hillary first made it to the summit in nineteen fifty three.
Our feature interview this morning is a guy who spent
about thirty years writing incredible pieces of journalism about Mount Everest.

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He's perhaps reported on the mountain more than anyone else,
and he's written a new book looking at the incredible
industry of climbing Mount Everest. So long gone are the
days when amateur mountaineers would scramble their way to the top.
These days, of course, Everest equals big business. So he's
going to be with us after ten o'clock to tell
us a little bit about that. Really looking forward to

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that interview before ten o'clock. If you're looking for a
sweet treat this weekend, or a plumb and coconut bar recipe,
plus your film picks for the weekend. If you're looking
good for something to watch, pass way a couple of hours.
Right now is nine minutes past nine.

Speaker 3 (02:08):
Team.

Speaker 2 (02:09):
Let me ask you this, how much wealth do you reckon?
Is just the right amount of wealth? How rich is
too rich? It's funny. I had a like, a successful
businessman friend of mine tell me once that the Goldilocks
zone for wealth is a mortgage free home and then

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five to ten million dollars in the bank, no more
any more than that. He reckoned. And you can't trust people,
not even your family. But I don't know, maybe this
is me just exposing myself as a bit of a
grubby money lover, But I reckon I could do fifty million.
You see, the first step in winning Powerball would be

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the hardest, but I reckon arguably the most important. You
would have to decide who to tell. I think it's
just inconceivable that you could win fifty million dollars and
they're not tell anyone. You would have to tell someone,
But tell too many people and you would ruin your life. Right,
So who to tell? Well, if it were me, I'd

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go mom and dad, the parents in law, siblings as well.
I trust them, of course, But already that pool of
people is getting kind of big. Maybe the rule should
be that you only tell people with whom you're willing
to share some of your winnings. And maybe the rule
with family is that you pay off everyone's mortgage and
then that's that. Personally, I'm not a big splurger, but

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I might be tempted to buy a couple of little
bits and pieces. As much as I love the Corolla,
I would probably shell out for a new car. Nothing crazy,
nothing ostentatious. I couldn't. I absolutely could never show my
face driving a Ferrari in public. Oh my god, I
would just be so embarrassed. But maybe something a bit newer,

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something that isn't thirteen years old, something with a few
more earbags, cruise control, maybe i'd pay off my mortgage,
and I would probably splurge on Central Air. But for now,
at least I would keep our family home at least
until the trees go back.

Speaker 3 (04:23):
Right.

Speaker 2 (04:24):
But as well as our home, I've always dreamed of
a retreat somewhere, like a house or a batch somewhere
kind of remote. Again, nothing ostentatious, but a place that's
buried in native bush on a pristine beach somewhere. Ideally
it's a surf beach, and I would wake each morning

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to the sound of native birds in between the crashing waves.
I don't think I could win that kind of money
and not give a big slab of it away. And
you want to be really thoughtful about choosing charities and causes.
That would be difficult, but I reckon the way to
do it would be to give some big slabs, so
like a few million dollars a pop to a couple

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of chearities or causes, and then some smaller parcels of
donations one hundred thousand dollars each to a whole heap.
Would I work? Ah? Look easy to say it now,
but yeah, I think I would. I love my job.
That being said, remember Trevor, that guy who was working

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as a checkout operator at a supermarket in Huntley who
won like twenty seven million dollars. Remember that, after initially
insisting he would be back at work, he decided, Yeah, nah,
maybe I would be the same. I just I don't
think you can say with certainty until you know with certainty.
Maybe I'll just do this show. Maybe I just do

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this show and lose the Monday to Friday. I would
love to travel more. I would love to read more.
I would love to really spend some time learning languages.
I would love to use a fifty million dollar windfall
to buy time as much as I could. But I mean,
all of this is hypothetical because I haven't actually bought

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a lotto ticket. I never have. I've never bought a
lotto ticket. I wouldn't even know what to do. Well,
do you call it a triple dip these days? Is
that a thing? A triple dip? I wouldn't know what
to ask when I got to the front of the line.
Perhaps I'm just too rational, too emotionless and rational. Even
as I watched the jackpot roll over onto fifty million

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dollars this week, the equal highest ever in New Zealand.
I couldn't help but think, well, a record draw means
that there'll probably be record numbers of people buying lotto tickets.
Record numbers of people buying lotto tickets probably actually reduces
my chances that much more of winning fifty million dollars
all to myself. Statistically speaking, the chances of having Powerball

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by yourself, you and you alone are actually becoming even slimmer,
aren't they. I get it, though, Look I get it.
I get it. Why people have a punt Buying a
lot of ticket isn't so much a ticket to win
fifty million dollars. It's a ticket to dream this morning though,
I reckon, I've done that for free. It's Jack Team

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ninety two. Ninety two is the text number. What would
you do differently with fifty million dollars? Jacket newstalks HEDB
dot code on his Z is the email address. If
you are flicking me your text, don't forget that standard
text costs apply. Kevin Milner is going to kick us
off for our Saturday morning together next right now. It's
quarter past night and Saturday morning. I'm Jack Tame and
this is Newstalk's.

Speaker 4 (07:39):
He'd be.

Speaker 3 (07:40):
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Speaker 1 (07:43):
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Speaker 2 (07:50):
I would buy a big V eight ram and then
put a Save the Planet sticker on the tail.

Speaker 4 (07:57):
Jack.

Speaker 2 (07:57):
The sensible thing to do is to invest the lot
and then live off the interest. Only you never touch
the principle you buy everything and on interest and then
share it with the family. Okay, so fifty million a year, yeah, okay,
you would probably you'd make you do pretty well out
of that. Dah you do, you do very well out
of it. Indeed, what two hundred thousand dollars a year,

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say four percent interest? You can get text on that
a little bit, but surely that's more than most of
us need to get by ninety ninety two is the
text number. I know that Kevin Millan will have a
lot of thoughts on this, given your experience Kevin meeting
LOTO winners. A.

Speaker 4 (08:33):
Yes, yeah, I made a TV show about this and
as I've already told you on this, and it was
a real eye opener. Really, how many problems emerge if
you win a hell of a lot of money. I mean, obviously,
if you're smart and you can manage it all, it's
pretty good. But lotto doesn't look at potential winners and

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so well, I think this person could know could handle
it well. And often that a huge amounts of money
ends up with people who have nothing like the skills
to be able to deal with it. Yeah, a couple
of things I would say. Right at the start, you
said that you'd we're talking about how many people you tell.
If you could tell only your partner and not even

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your kids, I'd recommend it, really because your kids will
tell people. And the other thing is there are really
critical things in terms say you win fifty million, obviously
you're going to sell up your house and look for
somewhere that you've always wanted to go to. But what

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happens when your wife has always wanted to go into
the country and have horses and I'm not own life,
and you want to go to the beach and like
you've outlined a certain peach.

Speaker 2 (09:53):
Yeah, well, I mean it's the first world problem, isn't it.
But I can see how that actually, all of a
sudden having more options on the table can lead to
a few issues on that department.

Speaker 4 (10:03):
Yeah, the key one relations ships would be does your wife,
does your partner? Did your partner or is your partner
living with you?

Speaker 5 (10:14):
Yeah?

Speaker 4 (10:14):
Because of the financial situation, which you've now sorted out.

Speaker 6 (10:19):
Yeah, Now you might say, well that's pretty.

Speaker 2 (10:22):
Hard, all the more reason for me I take it.

Speaker 4 (10:24):
Yeah. Yeah, people give them the option to actually get
up and leave their partner because they've now got an
endless amount of money, like twenty five million. Yeah, it
could be the end of it.

Speaker 2 (10:38):
Yeah, Well, there's a cheery night to kick us off
as everyone heads out tickets.

Speaker 4 (10:43):
As I've got leaven cheeryer.

Speaker 2 (10:45):
Not, no, you do because you finally went on a
cardio resuscitation a CPR course last week.

Speaker 4 (10:50):
Actually, I went on I've been wanting to do this
for a hell of a long time at the age
of seventy five, and finally get there. I found it
absolutely riping. It was unsettling, actually to find out how
much critical information I didn't know about cardiac arrest. I
didn't even realize that there was a difference between cardiac

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arrest and a heart attack. I thought they were much
the same thing, but how you deal with each is
so different. I didn't realize cardiac arrest was so dangerous.
Ninety percent of people with cardiac arrest don't survive ninety percent.
I didn't realize that you have around ten minutes to

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get oxygen to the brain of someone with cardiac arrest
before damage sets in. For every minute that passes without CPR,
the chance of survival decreased by ten percent. Now I repeat,
we're not talking here about heart attacks, we're talking about
cardiac arrests. That's when someone suff as a malfunction in

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their hearts electrical system, causing unconsciousness and also loss of
heartbeat and pulse. That's why it's so critical someone gets
to an ambulance and gets on with suscitation. If somebody's
got cardiac arrests, and here's something else I didn't know.
Mouth to mouth is no longer part of that initial suscitation.

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These courses don't have you blowing in the mouth or
the those of the one of those little mannequin leans.
It's about using one hand on top of the other
and weighing down as hard as you can on the
patient's chest, pushing their ribs up and up and down
around about five centimeters they suggest, which is pretty vigorous yes,
this can break, but no one that your say is

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going to care. Of course, you're less vigorous on babies
and children. And one final thing I didn't know. People
who've done an approved CPR course can register on a
responder app which alerts them to suspected cardiac arrests in
their neighborhood. They can dash over and assist before emergency

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services arrive. I think that's terrific. I'd never heard of it. Yeah,
I recommend listeners take the time to do a CBO course.
Mine took just two hours out of the day gap.

Speaker 2 (13:10):
Yeah, this sounds like such a good thing to do, Kevin,
and you feel really well equipped as a result. Hey,
I haven't done one in years actually, And like you
say that, the sort of advice has changed in recent years,
so I think, yeah, yeah, that's a good little hurry up. Actually,
I think it's I.

Speaker 4 (13:24):
Think that whole mouth to mouthing was a bit off
putting in some respects, and so now it's a much
more straightforward. Yeah, it's very physical. I mean, my age
and fitness, i'd be wanting somebody else to be there,
hopefully to sort of take up the pushing and stuff,
you know, after about a couple of minutes.

Speaker 2 (13:44):
Yeah, I mean people do, like people break a reb
or break a sternum or something like that from time
to time, don't They's it can be pretty vigorous, but
I mean that can be the difference between life and death.
So it's a really good point. Thank you, Kevin, and
thanks for feedback said this is the problem. Never do
math live on are? I do it on Q and
A Sometimes? What did I say? Four percent of fifty
million is two hundred thousand? No it's not, Jack, it's

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too million. Thank you for the maths. Geeks have immediately
pointed out the problem. Am I arithmetically? Yeah, this is
the problem. I cannot conceptualize fifty million dollars right, five
million dollars okay, I can maybe kind of get a
rough conception of how much that would be, But fifty million, Jack,
I wouldn't give the money to charity in Bolk. I
would invest it, and then you donate the interest to

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charity so that the base is never eroded. That way
is my interest change? I could change what I helped
to fund. It would give me a reason to be
really invested, not just in a financial sense, but in
a broader sense in what charities are doing and achieving. Yeah,
that's a good point, Jack. With that kind of money,
you could probably afford to buy some really nice, big
established trees. That's true. And here's Scotty. I'm not going

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to read out Scotty's cell phone number on air, but
I am going to make sure that I write it
down because Scotty says this, Jack, I have three tickets.
I'll give you one go halves if we win. Cheers
sounds good to me, sounds excellent to me. Ninety two
ninety two. If you want to flick as a message,
we'll catch up with our sporto. Next Super Rugby quarter
finals are underway. The Chiefs with a resounding win over

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the Reds last night. So are we in for any surprises.

Speaker 1 (15:18):
Getting your weekends started? It's Saturday morning with Jack team
on news talks.

Speaker 2 (15:23):
I'd be thank you for your messages. Jack. Good on
you for being asked about taking the full fifty million.
There is a lot of good one could do with
that much money. I'm sick of all the do gooders
who said that fifty millions too much, says Mike. Mike,
I take it is into win tonight as our sporto.
Andrew Savill surely likes to throw the dice. You like
a bit of a punt and you save fifty million
on the line tonight. Have you got your ticket?

Speaker 5 (15:44):
No?

Speaker 6 (15:44):
I don't normally, yum, I don't normally buy a lot
of tickets. I suppose if I don't bow and I can't.

Speaker 2 (15:50):
Win, Well, you're an exact same boat as media. Would
you even know what to do? See? My problem is
that if we if I got to the front of
the line, I would say hello, I would I would
like a lots o ticket please, because they used to
be didn't you have your triple dip or something like
that back in the day.

Speaker 6 (16:06):
I think, yeah, I think you can do that. No,
there's there's a lot of strike and it's it's easy
just to look up the board and say, I'll have
the twenty buck one or the thirty buck one.

Speaker 2 (16:15):
Oh is there a thirty dollars one?

Speaker 6 (16:18):
I think, well, I think, well, we can spend as
much as you want.

Speaker 2 (16:21):
Yeah, I suppose.

Speaker 4 (16:23):
Yeah.

Speaker 6 (16:23):
I remember having requests from family overseas to get tickets
and I forgot and thinking, God, imagine if their numbers
came up. Oh you know that sort of situation.

Speaker 2 (16:35):
But no, that's stressful, I say, so.

Speaker 6 (16:37):
No, I'm actually down country today, so I might buy
one and you know in some little country town you
even know, Oh.

Speaker 2 (16:42):
Yeah, win that'd because so if we I think, aren't
they haven't. They said they're maybe not going to even
announce where winners are this week. I think, right, because
they don't because there's so much money on the line,
you know, and if there's one ticket.

Speaker 6 (16:54):
So if you bring this number at nine thirty.

Speaker 2 (16:59):
And either there's no answer or I.

Speaker 6 (17:00):
Answer, and it sounds like the tropical waves.

Speaker 2 (17:03):
Yes, yes, yes, for some reason it connects to a
hotel in the Loire Valley or something.

Speaker 4 (17:09):
Yeah, or it sounds like I mean.

Speaker 2 (17:13):
Or know what's happened? Hey, Chiefs reads last night as
one side as we all expected. So I mean they
hammered them in the end. But are we going to
see any kind of surprises do you think with it
from this quarterfinals round? Maybe maybe the Highlanders tonight?

Speaker 6 (17:30):
Maybe the Highlanders, I think. Look, the Chiefs played very
well from the start last night and pretty much had
the game done by halftime, if not earlier. So I
spent some time with them during the week and they
are just flying under the radar. They lost to the Canes,
not by much. A few weeks ago they lost them.

Speaker 2 (17:50):
Oh are you there?

Speaker 3 (17:51):
Set?

Speaker 2 (17:54):
Do we think he's dropped his fine? What do we
think is just happened here? Or as connected or this?
Oh my gosh, when he when did they draw the lotto?

Speaker 7 (18:03):
This is.

Speaker 2 (18:06):
This might have just happened. He might have just, he
might have just he might have just had the good news.
I don't know. We'll see if we can get him
back out. He did say he's down country and a
small town at the moment here. What'll se if he's
there now? So are you there?

Speaker 4 (18:19):
Hello?

Speaker 2 (18:19):
Ah? We thought we thought maybe the winnings had come
so early.

Speaker 8 (18:23):
I was.

Speaker 6 (18:24):
I was talking to myself for ten minutes.

Speaker 2 (18:26):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, So you said you you've been with
the Chiefs this week?

Speaker 6 (18:33):
Yes, and and back to full strength. They lost to
the Canes a few weeks ago, only just They then
lost the Blues. I think some people have written them off,
but I think if they had to go to Wellington
next week, assuming the Canes beat the Rebels in Wellington,
I think they'll give the title favorites. One of the
title favorites a bit of a hurry up. So the Highlanders,

(18:53):
I think they've got a good chance in Canberra. He's
probably proved me wrong and smacked them. But they're a
strong team, the Highlanders at the moment that've hid a
few injuries, so I think, yeah, I think they've got
a chance out of those three games to today.

Speaker 2 (19:06):
Black Caps Afghanistan in the first game or in their
first game of the T twenty Cricket World Cup this morning.

Speaker 6 (19:13):
Yeah yeah, and it's going to stand one of those
tricky teams. But like Bangladesh used to be, Bangladesh is
now within its own rights, a good team, strong team
and as we know T twenty is a bit of
a lot, so not a given. Yeah, let's not forget USA,
of all sides beat pakistanis today. So in T twenty
anything is possible.

Speaker 2 (19:34):
Yes, look, I'll be watching and no doubt I will
enjoy it. But can I be very cheeky and and
throw you a challenge here? And so they named the
last three men's T twenty World Cup winners. Could even name.

Speaker 6 (19:49):
One in India, England, Australia.

Speaker 2 (19:52):
It's England on the last one. In twenty twenty two,
Australia won twenty twenty one and the Windy's won twenty sixteen.

Speaker 6 (19:59):
The Windy's yet I remember that, but now I think
they are now every two years, so it's it does
lose a bit of its last time.

Speaker 2 (20:05):
I mean, I if you'd asked that, I don't think
is a cricket tragic. I don't think I could have
told you that England one of the T twenty world comes.

Speaker 3 (20:11):
So there you go.

Speaker 2 (20:12):
Anyway, Hey, all the very best for tonight if you
end up picking up a ticket. Otherwise, we will look
forward to catching up with you again in person next week.

Speaker 6 (20:20):
I have known that I'll be talking to you next week.

Speaker 2 (20:23):
Look forward to it, sir. Thank you. That is Andrew
savil Our Sporto. It's just gone twenty eight minutes to
ten on News Talks EDB News Talks EDB. You were
jactating through to midday twenty five to ten in time
to catch up with our film reviewer Francesca.

Speaker 9 (20:36):
Rudkin killed her Good morning.

Speaker 2 (20:39):
Two films to talk us through this morning. Let's start
off with one that is showing at the French Film Festival.
Tell us about Marguerite's theorem.

Speaker 9 (20:48):
So every festival is one or two characters who you
just love a little bit more than the others. And
Marguerite is a character that I absolutely fell in love with.
She's played by Ala Ulf, who is a French excess
who won the Rising Star Award at the Savar Awards
sort of like the French Film Awards earlier in the

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year Ben in the Soil. She plays this brilliant young
mathematician and her world crumbles when a new student at
a university finds a flaw in her thesis. So she's
presenting this dissertation which she's spent many many years dedicating
her life too, and it's very quickly all falls apart,
and she kind of falls apart as you would, and

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she's deemed overly emotional by her professor. She abruptly quits
the university and she kind of heads out into the
real world for the first time in her life. Because
she's always loved math. She's been in this very academic world,
and she's sort of adorably naive really to the real
world and normal relationships and all that kind of things.
And she's very logical, but she's got this really big,

(21:55):
beautiful brain, and it inevitably does bring her back to mathematics,
but with a whole new perspective that she's gained on
what it means to be human by just getting out
in the world and having a job and making friends
and kind of, you know, discovering a bit of love.
So it's just this lovely coming of age story that's
a really great journey begulously acted. As I say, I

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just kind of got right behind her as a character
and really enjoyed it. So that's rooling at the French
Film Festival, which was taking place across the country for
the next month or two.

Speaker 2 (22:27):
Very good. Okay, Now for something completely different. I'm not
sure that this one's necessarily festival bait, but let's have
a listen to Bad Boys Ride or Die.

Speaker 10 (22:38):
We now have evidence that the lead, Captain Conrad Howard,
of Miami PD, was working directly with drug cartels for years.

Speaker 1 (22:47):
Captain Howard's being friends, don't trust anybody.

Speaker 11 (22:53):
You're my bad boy, you're my name.

Speaker 4 (22:58):
You should be goodful bye.

Speaker 2 (23:03):
Bam. Will Smith is back.

Speaker 9 (23:06):
He is back. So this is the fourth installment of
this franchise that started in nineteen ninety five. Wow, And
I went this with my teenage daughter and we had
a lot of fun. But she walked down to shoot
and said, I don't think there's one thing in that
film that is truthful about being.

Speaker 4 (23:24):
A detective of Miami.

Speaker 9 (23:25):
And I said, Darling, I think you're probably right. And
there is the whole point that is supposed to be
fun and over the top and ridiculous and corny, but
they know they put a little bit of heart in
there as well. There's strong quite a bit of money
at this jack that's around ninety million US at this
so it looks click, it looks flash. Of course, it's
an action comedy. It's a buddy cop flick, not the

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most sophisticated storyline, but you know what, the action keeps coming,
the humor keeps coming, the entertainment keeps coming. You kind
of don't. It's okay, Yeah, you'll take, you'll take the plot,
you'll take kind of what you get. Really, the film
does ref the success really does rely on that chemistry
between Will Smith and Martin Lawrence who play these two detectives,

(24:08):
Mike and Marcus. And that's a critical component and they
actually do have great chemistry. Do we actually need another
one of these films?

Speaker 3 (24:17):
No?

Speaker 9 (24:17):
Probably not. Did Will Smith need this film?

Speaker 5 (24:20):
Yes?

Speaker 9 (24:20):
I think he did, because he plays an incredibly likable character.
He reminds us of this amazing star power. It sort
of enables us to kind of forget some of the
stupid nonsense that's been taking place in israel life, and
we just remember that when he's on stage, you know,
when he's on screen, he has this incredible star power.
But actually it's probably Lawrence who shines the most. He
gets a lot of the comedy. He's had a near

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death experience, but here's a different perspective on life, and
he's quite funny about it and ridiculous. So he kind
of steals the show when it comes to the comedy
science thing. So it is what it is. We are
in blockbuster seasons, is when North America just put out
all the amazing, you know, these big, entertaining blockbusters, popcorn
films for their summer and we're in the middle of this.

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So you know what it is, what it is, You
know what you're going to be when you walk on
to it. Yeah, if that's what you're in the mood for,
go for it. It's fun.

Speaker 2 (25:12):
I think you can lean in canty for a bad film.
You can lean in just for a bit of dumb fun.

Speaker 9 (25:18):
Hey, actually, Jack if you do remember the original. This
is probably closer to the original than the last two films,
which kind of didn't really quite fire. So they kind
of they've found them, They've got their mojo back.

Speaker 2 (25:29):
Is fifty million too much?

Speaker 12 (25:32):
Oh?

Speaker 13 (25:33):
Of course it is, no, But I'll take it.

Speaker 2 (25:35):
Yeah, Okay, okay, okay, So yeah, if the choice is
fifty million or nothing, you'll go with the fifteen million. Thanks. Okay,
what about this? If the choice is fifty million or
ten million, what do.

Speaker 4 (25:46):
You do.

Speaker 7 (25:50):
This all?

Speaker 9 (25:51):
Do you know what I'll take. I'll be honest, I'll
take the fifty because what I could do with fifty
million could be incredible, and I would I would be
the kind of I would probably still turn up into
the Sunday session because I love my show and I
think it would be very good for me to be
grounded to work. But I but there's what I could
do with that and the people I could help, And

(26:11):
you know, I've got a list of things in my
head that I would absolutely put that money into.

Speaker 2 (26:16):
Sort of pictured you behind the wheel of a late
model McLaren or something like that, you know, well, something subtle,
something understated.

Speaker 9 (26:26):
Maybe maybe I would take my formula one that assessed
teenage daughter to a couple of formula ones. Okay, that's
that's I probably would, but actually ten would be absolutely fuck.
Do you know what, Jack, one million would be absolutely
great right now. I'll take a couple of hundred downs.

Speaker 3 (26:45):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (26:45):
Look, you know, if anyone out there who's listening right now,
who feels burdened by exactly a couple of volunteers here
who are happy to assist anyway they can, Hey, thank
you so much. Those films sound yeah, diverse at the
very least, but like a lot of fun this morning.
So Bad Boys Ride or Die is the new Will
Smith Martin Lawrence one, the latest in the series of

(27:08):
Bad Boys films in that showing in cinemas at the moment.
It feels like the kind of movie you do want
to watch in cinemas, you know, it's like bag and
kind of pop corny. The other one, Marguerite's Theorem, is
showing at the French Film Festival at the moment. And
we'll put both of those up on the news talks.
He'd be website, don't forget. After ten o'clock this morning,
we're going to be speaking to the author of Everest, Inc.
The renegades and rogues who built an industry at the

(27:30):
top of the world. It is a fascinating book that
plots the transition on Mount Everest from the minute it
stopped being a mountaineering challenge and started becoming a guiding challenge.
You see the difference they are a mountaineering challenge and
a guiding challenge. I mean, if you have seen the
pictures in the last couple of weeks, given its Everest
climbing season, it's pretty remarkable to see the number of

(27:53):
paying cut customers and clients who are being guided up
Mount Everest, Dentists from the Midwest and that kind of
thing who want a nice photo on top of the
world to add to their Instagram. Anyway, we're going to
speak to him about that transition and New Zealand's kind
of key role in that transition over the years. When
the author joins us after ten this morning, can't wait

(28:14):
for that seventeen minutes to ten, our cook is here
with her incredible recipe for a coconut and plumbar next
and good news for me, she's in the studio.

Speaker 1 (28:24):
Saturday mornings with Jack Day, keeping the conversation going through
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Speaker 2 (28:33):
Said B, I'm getting all the advice this morning. Jack,
you are so nineteen nineties. Buy your ticket online for lotto.

(28:54):
It's faster, it's easier. You can check it in thirty
minutes after the drawer command, says been. This is the
twenty first century, Jack, This is true. Although that being said,
I've been talking to Libby, our wonderful producer on Saturday mornings,
and Libby used to work at the lotto stand at
the supermarket, and she says that people love having a
physical ticket for lotto, Like there's something about actually having
a thing you can hold in your hand. It's like

(29:16):
having a book, you know, having a real book is
so much nicer than reading it a digital version. The
same thing applies for tickets. I just would have thought
my consumer would be a bit that it's a bit dangerous,
like you could lose a ticket. Obviously, it seems like
it's easier to lose a ticket than it's easier to
lose nap. But anyway, that could be an option if
indeed I do decide to get in with that, So
thank you very much. Ninety two ninety two is the

(29:36):
text number if you want to flick ause a messag.
Nikki Wicks, our cook is here in person with yet
another delicious looking tree. I know, look at it looks.
I mean it looks so moist.

Speaker 14 (29:47):
Plum and coconut bar. So I make this in a
loaf tin and then chop it into bars.

Speaker 2 (29:52):
So really good, I mean so plums. Yes, not in season.

Speaker 14 (29:56):
Not in season, but I wanted to talk about that,
and that's the reason that I've made it is round
about June. You need to start using your preserves. And
I wish, I hope my mother is listening, because she's
a big time preserver, and yet she doesn't like it
when Dad wants to open any of the preserves.

Speaker 2 (30:13):
She's always like, no, don't open them.

Speaker 14 (30:15):
So I don't know she just and I and I
suffer from the same thing. So this is a word
to all preservers. We're now in June.

Speaker 2 (30:27):
Use your preserves.

Speaker 14 (30:28):
Otherwise you come to the end of the year and
then you've still got all that lovely summer stuff.

Speaker 2 (30:32):
So there is a funny little thing you sort of what.

Speaker 14 (30:34):
They're quite precious. So I froze a whole lot of plums,
and I thought well, when am I going to start
using all the frozen plums?

Speaker 2 (30:41):
I guess I'll start using them now.

Speaker 14 (30:43):
And what do you think of that little beautiful It's
amazing beautiful, Yeah, super easy. I love it because it's
all gets made in one posh, which I love that.

Speaker 3 (30:51):
I love it.

Speaker 12 (30:51):
I hated dish.

Speaker 11 (30:52):
So here you go.

Speaker 14 (30:53):
This is what you do, and it's it's so more.
This is the second one I've made this week, and
you've only got half of it.

Speaker 2 (31:00):
So guess with the.

Speaker 14 (31:01):
Other one and a half which I've lift about some
more out in the kitchen, So look, chuck your other
one hundred and seventeen fan bakes celsius. Obviously, line a
loaft and I use quite a large loaf tin for this,
and then in a medium pot you melt one hundred
and twenty grams of butter and then take that off
the off the heat and throw in just half a

(31:21):
cup of brown sugar so it haven't got tons of
sugar in it. Well that does have a lot of
coconut which is quite sugary, and then stir that to combine,
and then you want to whisk in an egg, and
you want to do that quite quickly because if it's
gotten too hot. You don't want that egg to curdle,
So whisk in the egg and it will come together beautifully.
A tablespoon of vanilla. Extract a tablespoon because as you

(31:42):
and I both know, don't be bothering with the tea
spot more is more and more more and plumb and
vanilla beautiful. And then sift in some dry ingredients or
just chuck it and I don't bother sifting it. Three
quarters of a cup of plain flour, one teaspoon of
baking powder, and then half a cup of ground almonds,
which gives it that beautiful moisture in there as well.

(32:03):
So stir those through and then add in your three
quarters a cup of desiccated coconut, one teaspoon of lemon
zest if you fancy, you could leave that out, ahally,
I didn't put that in that one. And then one
cup of chopped plums, and mine, as I say, were
fresh frozen and then thawed. You could use black doris
as well.

Speaker 10 (32:21):
It's going to work, all right, So mix it.

Speaker 14 (32:22):
All together, take about two thirds, maybe three quarters of
the mixture, and press that into the bottom of the loaf.
Tin spoon your plums over on top. And I love
the plums because you get that tartness, and then with
your remaining ingredients just kind of crumble that over. But
it's quite a wet mixture, so sort of spoon it over.
It won't all join up. There will be little gaps,
which is where that beautiful fruit kind of bubbles through.

(32:44):
And then cock it for about thirty five minutes until
it is nice and gold and brown on the top.
Let it cool in the tin call a little bit.
You can serve it warm. You can serve it cold
from the fridge, which you've got it, which I think
is delicious.

Speaker 2 (32:58):
It's so yum.

Speaker 14 (32:59):
It's so yum, isn't it.

Speaker 2 (33:01):
I know you have that tartness of the plums kind
of offset ape.

Speaker 14 (33:04):
Yeah, completely, and I've given our listen. There's also some
other ways to make it your own, using different types
of fruit. You could use anything this time of the year,
you know, stewed apples. You could put some cinnamon in
there instead of the vanilla, all that sort of stuff,
so or you could even put some rolled oats in it.
I was thinking instead of the coconut. Oh you haven't
tried that, but well, I know it would work, would

(33:24):
be great.

Speaker 2 (33:25):
Yeah, what it is, it's I feel like it's so versatile.
It could be a breakfast bar, yes, of a brunchy slightly,
ye brunchy, but.

Speaker 14 (33:33):
I agree, good thing for the lunch box is too
probably yeah, true, you know you'd probably cut it into
squares maybe. But yeah, it's Moorish, isn't it. I've got
a couple of other pieces out there because I know
you know, I know you need more.

Speaker 2 (33:48):
Yeah, it's beautiful, thank you. Yeah, use those preserves. We
will make sure the recipe is up online so that
everyone can cook along at home. Just unpack it for
me a bit more, though. Do you think you just
keep the preserves because you're worried of running out of preserves.
It's like when you get you get a pair of
new shoes and they're fancy new shoes and don't want
to wear they don't want to wear them out, and

(34:08):
then all of a sudden you put your feet in them,
and all of a sudden they.

Speaker 14 (34:11):
Yeah, it's something I'd love to hear from our listeners
because I don't know whether it's just just Mum or
just I, but it's just Mum's always saying to Dad No,
those are the new season preserved go for the years
year before, which makes sense. But really we ought to
use all of our preserves by the end of that
year because then you're going to preserve more. But I'm
the same. I end up with chutneys and sauces. Chutnese

(34:34):
and sauces I'm not so precious about but fruit, for
some reason, preserved fruit for either frozen orange jars. I'm
just always I'm eching it out. Yeah know why, but
I wasn't sorry during lockdown.

Speaker 2 (34:44):
No too right, Hey, thank you so much. It's so Yeah,
it's beautiful, it's delicious and like I say, so moist.
So for Nicky's Plumbing coconut bars newstalks, they be dot
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Speaker 2 (35:07):
It'd be well, here you go. Mike is feeling ambit
it's just fifty million dollars interested six percent. That's working
out at about fifty seven thousand dollars per week. Before tax,
is my I six percent? Yeah? Maybe maybe I think
four percent. It's maybe more realistic over time, isn't it.
But anyway, thank you for that. It's good to know that. No,
I haven't had a single person riding yet and say

(35:28):
that fifty million is too much. Everyone seems to think that,
Oh you know, yep, I get it. I know there
are lots of stories for people being poisoned by lotto
and poisoned by a lot of victories. But no, no,
I'd be different. Could you only tell one person though,
as Kevin recommended, I reckon, that would be a real challenge.
Only tell your partner. I reckon I could do that.

(35:50):
I'm actually very good at keeping secrets. It's part of
the job. But yeah, would my wife keep this thing?
I'm sure she would. Of course you would. NICKI can
you use canned plums and that amazing recipe? Yes, I've
just checked with NICKI you can, so don't you worry
about that. If you want to look at the messag
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(36:10):
said b dot co dot Nz after ten o'clock this morning.
If you are feeling like putting your feed up at
home over the weekend. If you're feeling like relaxing over
the weekend, good news. We've got our screen time picks
for this week, including New Zealand's Best Homes with Phil
Spencer that starts this weekend on tevan z one. I
think Phil Spencer from Location, Location, Location Fame. It's got

(36:35):
a great gig. Basically, it's his job to go around
the country and just find amazing homes and then go
and be really nosy and poke around them and look
at their best views and their best features and those
kinds of things. So we'll tell you about that show
and where you can see it after ten o'clock this morning.
As well as that. A couple of weeks ago, we
told you about Apple's latest product conference. That's when they

(36:57):
announced new products and they were talking about the new
iPad and that kind of thing. Next week they've got
their developers conference. Now this is critical when we're looking
at whether or not your phone is going to start
using the same software as your iPad or your MacBook,
whether or not Apple might be one step closer to
having a universal operating system across all of its products.

(37:19):
So we'll tell you a little bit about that after
ten o'clock as well as course, the author of Everest Inc.
Is going to be with us. And you know, when
you think about the history of Mant Everest, obviously the
name Hillary is right at the top in every sense.
But it's amazing to consider the role that New Zealanders
have played in the decades since Everest was first climb

(37:40):
by Surreed and Tensing in developing Mount Everest as a destination,
developing guiding businesses, developing the world's highest mountain into an
incredibly lucrative industry. So we're going to talk to the
author of that amazing book right after the ten o'clock news.
News is next, though it's Saturday morning. I'm Jack Tame.

(38:03):
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More in a good morning news yellow you're with Jack
Taime on news Talks EDB. Today, Mount Everest is probably
more commercialized than it has ever been in its history.
It was once uh Deedley lure of sorts for adventurous climbers,
but now of course sending tourists to the summit is
very big business. Indeed, we've all seen the photos of

(39:14):
climbers queued up as they wait to summit on the
world's highest mountain. The first paying Climate clients stepped onto
the summit of Mount Everest back in nineteen ninety two. Now,
roughly eight hundred people attempt to climb Mount Everest each year,
with an average cost for clients of about sixty five
thousand US dollars a person, although some pay about two

(39:37):
hundred thousand dollars per person for VIP experiences. Journalist Will
Cockrel has been a climber and mountaineer for more than
thirty years. In his new book Everest, Inc. The Renegades
and Rogues Who Built an Industry at the Top of
the World, is started with quotes from more than one
hundred Western and Sherper climbers, from clients, from writers and filmmakers,

(39:59):
as the book explores how Mount Everest has been commercialized
in recent decades. Well is for this this morning, old
A good morning and welcome to the show.

Speaker 10 (40:08):
Hey, great to be here, Jack, Thank you.

Speaker 2 (40:10):
This is a subject of particular interest to New Zealanders,
and New Zealanders are a particular interest in your amazing book.
But I just I just wondered if we could start
with the big picture. Can you compare Mount Everest of
nineteen fifty three, the Mount Everest of Hillary and Teensing
to the Mount Everest of today.

Speaker 10 (40:30):
Yeah, of course, you know, back then and even up
until I would say the eighties, the big X factor
with Everest, and it was a big one, was the
however many you know, many meters above K two. It
was so the sort of tallest mountain in the world thing,

(40:51):
you know, nearly nine thousand meter peak. Really no one
had any idea what the body would do up at
those heights, so where the climbing maybe didn't feel terribly
technically difficult to a lot of people. Even back in
Hillary's day, it really was the unknown above eight thousand
meters a little bit like stepping off a spaceship. I think,

(41:13):
you know, you don't know what the body is going
to do, and you're up in a no margin for
error place, and so if the body shuts down, which
it would essentially without oxygen, then you know, then that's it.

Speaker 3 (41:29):
Right.

Speaker 10 (41:29):
So at the time, Hillary was basically stepping into a
place no one had before.

Speaker 3 (41:36):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (41:36):
Yeah, whereas today people are, yeah, climbing a mountain that
has been substantially commercialized, to say the least, and you
hit it on an important point there, will. I mean,
the thing about manna Verst is that from a technical perspective,
from a climbing perspective, it is not a particularly difficult
mountain to climb, right, It is the altitude that's a challenge.

Speaker 10 (42:01):
Yeah, that's right. I mean I always bristle a little bit,
and I think this comes across in my book when
people when people call it easy, you know, especially mountaineers,
have gotten into a sort of a bad you know,
real mountaineers have gotten into a bad habit of saying, oh,
Everest is is ridiculous because it's easy, and that's not true.

(42:24):
It's not. It's not incredibly technical, you know, if you
have some basic skills and basic athleticism, all the uh,
you know, all the slopes and and hazards are all
fairly moderate to overcome. But there's still some steep sections
and some tricky climbing on it for sure. But you know,

(42:49):
I think when they talk about easy, they mean you're
not you know, you're not vertical, and uh, it's not
for elite climbers. That's for sure.

Speaker 2 (42:55):
Yeah, right, And and and from a technical perspective, even
compared to the likes of K two, for example, it's
it's it's not easy, but prehaps easier is the wood? Yeah,
maybe chosen? Yeah, And certainly wouldn't be easy if you
weren't using oxygen, which, of course most climbers to summ
up maneverus these days absolutely use. So take us back

(43:16):
a couple of decades. Then you started off with Everston
Tensing in fifty three. You move along a little bit
into the latter part of last century, and it's really
the late eighties, the earlier parts of the nineteen nineties
where commercial guides start guiding clients up Maneverest. So what
led to that transition.

Speaker 10 (43:37):
Well, we can put it. You know, a lot of
people say it was because of a man named Diet Bass.
You know, this eccentric Texan oil man had a lot
of money. He was the owner of a very well
known ski resort here in the States, and he got
it in his head that he wanted to he was
not a climber. Loved the outdoors, loved hiking, loved skiing,

(43:59):
but not a climber. He got it in his head
that he wanted to climb the seventh Summits. Yeah, and
it's not to say that he invented the notion, but
no one had done it, and no one had verbalized
that they were trying to do it. So he and
an equally passionate partner, Frank Wells, one of the big
studio heads in Hollywood, they both had this dream and

(44:19):
they teamed up and they went for it. And their
talent was for surrounding themselves with very talented, usually pretty
well known climbers like Chris Bondington, for example, from the UK,
and they would basically, you know, pay for these enormously expensive,
complicated expeditions and then they'd get these you know, these

(44:42):
elite climbers along and then that would of course be
their safety net, would be to climb with these climbers.
Frank Wells eventually dropped out and it left Bass to
reckon with Everest, which he had tried already twice. And
it was a gentleman named David Brishears. I don't know
how well known he is in New Zealand, but he's

(45:05):
kind of alleged and here an incredibly strong climber and filmmaker.
He was the one who made the Imax film. He
passed away about two months ago or a month and
a half ago, actually very unexpectedly. Anyway, it was Dick
Bass and David Brashears who summited Mount Everest, and you know,
Dick Bass could not really keep to himself how inexperienced

(45:29):
he was when he came down. That's what changed Everest
was Dick Bass shouting from the rooftops that he's not
a climber, but he did climb Everest. He even went
on the tonight show, Johnny Carson's, you know, big talk
show at the time, said.

Speaker 2 (45:45):
Oh are you there? Yeah, oh sorry, sorry, Oh I know,
you're sorry, you broke up. And what did he say
on Johnny Hill?

Speaker 10 (45:51):
He went on Johnny Carson's talk show and he said
as much. He announced, you know to those ten million
people watching. You know, he makes jokes like the only
running he ever does is through airports. But he basically
was sort of letting people know that you can climb
Mount Everist with tenacity if you know, not the technical skills.

Speaker 2 (46:10):
Yeah yeah. So we fast forward a little bit and
your story. Your story documents this transition really really well
because when a lot of people think about guiding man
Everest and think about you know that the guides who've
kind of become synonymous with that industry. We think of
New Zealanders, we think of Russell Bryce, we think of
Rob Hall, Gary Ball, Guy Cotter, and by the mid

(46:34):
nineties you have the so called Big Five. That's when
you start to see competition between the guiding companies leading
clients to the summit of Everest. At that point, had
it kind of become you know, gross in the way
that people start to started to criticize the industry because

(46:54):
they were still leading like clean up exhibition expeditions and
that kind of thing. And they were only pitching base
camp for the season, right and they were removing it
during the off season, so they perhaps weren't scarring mountain
in the way that some people might criticize the industry
as doing.

Speaker 10 (47:10):
Now, well, the irony with with not just Everest, but
a lot of plate wild places like this is it
was actually considered a bit dirtier or felt dirtier to
a lot of climbers. I talked to many who recalled
it this way, and but this is this is what
at a time when no one went there, so no
one thought to clean it up, if you know what

(47:31):
I mean. A few visitors to the place would sort
of leave their you know, their tuna fish tins behind
without much thought. But it wasn't a national park, et cetera.
But funny enough, with popularity came stricter rules, and you know,
all I can say, I had never been. I've been
to a poll once, but I'd never been to ever
Space Camp. And when I went, I was kind of

(47:53):
blown away at how well taken care of that National
park is. It's a real treasure to them, and it
is funny to you know, it is it's ironic after
reading all the stories about how gross Space Camp is
and how you know, sort of dirty this these hordes
of trekkers make this place, and I was I was astounded.

Speaker 2 (48:13):
Yeah. Yeah, So if we once again to fast forward
a little bit in our story to what extent have
the Nepalese and Sirpers been able to claim part of
this industry, because in the last few years there has
been a bit of a transition.

Speaker 10 (48:29):
Of sorts, that's right, a major transition, and really it
came with with the Westerners who had built this industry.
It became obvious fairly early to them that the sherpas
were indispensable. So they were much stronger on the mountain,

(48:51):
much more able up high, and could be counted on
to do multiple rotations up and down the mountain. So
they became the backbone of the industry. What they didn't
have was mountain guide training, and I don't think I
think part of right this book was to let people
know how important that was and what a big deal
it was that they didn't have it. Right, mountain guides

(49:14):
are there for when things go wrong, and so many
sherpas told me so many stories of the nineties and
the two thousands when they were the strongest climbers on
the mountain, and yet if someone broke their leg up high,
or someone fell into a crevass, they just did not
know the you know, the protocol and the complicated knots

(49:35):
to get out of a crevass. And so that kept
them in this pay grade that you know to us
in the West. You know, you look, you look over
and it feels like exploitation. Yeah, right, it kept them
in this this pay grade that's good for Nepal, but
certainly not near what the Westerners were making. But I

(49:57):
did kind of find enough evidence and go down a
road in my storytelling that that explains how it was
actually the Westerners who kickstarted that training. It took a
long time, right, You don't just become a mountain guide overnight.

Speaker 2 (50:11):
Yeah.

Speaker 10 (50:12):
Uh, and so you know you're talking a decade of training,
But it was really the Western guides that that shepherded
the the Nepalis and Sherpas through that training. And now
we're in this place where the Sherpas have are owning
their own trekking guiding companies and also being paid the
same as the Westerners to guide it.

Speaker 4 (50:32):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (50:33):
So when we think about the pictures of the last
couple of years of the of the climbers lined up
to to try and summit Mant Everest, do do you
think that that is a fear, you know, an accurate
representation of what climbing Everest has become.

Speaker 10 (50:51):
Sort of, it's not totally it's not totally inaccurate. And
what I mean by that is it is a crowded mountain.
I do not attempt to sort of you know that
back against you know, rumor and debate about it being crowded.
It is crowded. What people don't understand is that most

(51:11):
people who go climb Everest these days are not going,
you know, to get lost in the wilderness. They're not
going to commune with nature, so they're not going for
the reasons people are just assuming, which is to not
be around people, and they think it's ridiculous.

Speaker 3 (51:25):
Why would you go.

Speaker 10 (51:26):
The reason for that shot was that the summit days
all revolve around weather windows. And in fact, probably a
lot of key Wes might know this better than others
because of the into thin Air story. The weather reports
are so good these days that a lot of times
people have Summitt fever, and when they spot that first

(51:47):
four day window, the guided groups decide they're going to
go up that day. That's what ends up giving you
that picture is when everybody says, let's do it. Who
knows there might not be another window. I will say
the thing behind the picture that people don't know is
that all the guiding companies that do do that tend
to make some pretty meticulous plans around that happening. Right,

(52:11):
So they are aware that their clients are going to
be sitting in a queue for an extra couple hours.

Speaker 2 (52:15):
Right, And so they take sufficient oxygen and that kind
of thing in order to in order to prepare for it. Yeah,
how do you how do you think New Zealanders should
think about our country's kind of cultural relationship with Everest,
because it seems to me that there are two parts.
You have the incredible story of Surrendmond Hillary. I mean,

(52:37):
he adorns you know, our currency. He is like, you know,
I think kind of lionized as the ultimate image of
what New Zealanders hope they represent in many respects. But
then you think about how Everest has become commercialized over
the last three or four decades, and New Zealand has

(52:58):
certainly played a role in that. New Zealanders have played
a role in that. And some people would say that
that prehaps is a little uglier.

Speaker 4 (53:07):
You know, I.

Speaker 10 (53:09):
Don't want to get you any hate mail, but I
of course came away from this with the idea that
the most important kiwis on the mountain and really punched
above their weight, was in this dawn of the guiding era.
And as you said, you know, two of the five
legacy companies were owned by Kiwis, Russell, Bryce's Himmex and

(53:32):
Hall and Ball's Adventure Consultants. And in my book, I
chronicle that deciding to guide on Mount Everest was not
an easy thing. I think that's the biggest misconception is
it's that if you're a mountain guide, you decide why
not guide on the tallest one in the world. It
was an audacious idea that took a lot of groundwork

(53:53):
to figure out how to do it and if it
was possible. And New Zealanders just play such a big
important role in that and in the dawn of the
guiding era. And if you're someone if you're like me
and you don't feel like the guiding business or the yeah,
the guiding business on Everest sort of deserves the iyre

(54:14):
it gets, and especially now that it is basically run
and owned by the sharp of people. Yeah, in this
very prosperous part of Nepal. I feel like the legacy,
the Kiwi legacy for me is in people like Russell,
Bryce and Hall and Ball Yeah yeah, and Guy Cotter

(54:36):
and endless other you know, I think Lydia Brady and
there's a b you know, there's a ton of amazing
Kiwi guides throughout the decades.

Speaker 4 (54:45):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (54:46):
Yeah. So do you feel optimistic Lyn about the about
the future of Everest and the future of guiding on Everest?

Speaker 3 (54:53):
I do.

Speaker 10 (54:54):
Actually, I think that Unfortunately, like a lot of stories
that come off Everest, it's gonna be hard to convince
the average punter or you know, the people that when
you hear about more deaths are tragedy or mistakes, it's
going to be hard to say, oh, this is this
is okay. But I think what's happening right now is
that the Nepali companies, most of them run by incredibly passionate,

(55:19):
amazing climbing guides with full if MGA certification. They're running
a tight ship. However, now that they are in charge
of the industry, they're going through a lot of the
similar growing pains that the Westerners did early on, and
they're you know, trying to make some decisions within their
cultural reference of Nepal, and there's some mistakes being made.

(55:40):
There's some bad judgment in there. And I think last year,
you know, you may remember, was the actually the deadliest
season of all seasons on Mount Everest, at a time
when I would have said to anybody before it that
you know, we're in the safest era of climbing Everest
that we've ever been in, and I would say that
was proven by this year where we had, you know,

(56:02):
I think it was three or four deaths within the
guiding infrastructure, and so yeah, I would say that this
is really this is amazing for Nepal. I mean, one
thing that I also, I'm not sure many people realize
is how much pride the Napolies take in Mount Everest. Yeah,

(56:23):
you know, the fact that, you know, perhaps more so
than they're in New Zealand, the fact that it sits
in their country and it happened to be an Apolli
that was on that first ascent team. Mountaineering is a
big deal there. You know, they don't have cricket. I
mean they do, but they don't have like a national team.
You know, they don't have a lot of these different sports.

Speaker 3 (56:43):
And this is it.

Speaker 10 (56:44):
This is their Yeah, this is their greatness.

Speaker 4 (56:47):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (56:48):
Yeah, that's a very good point. And look, well, thank
you so much for being with us. It is a
fascinating story and one that I think, MANI New Zealanders
will connect with, not only because of all of the
New Zealanders who feed you without it. Will's book is
everstinc the rena Gads and rogues who built an industry
at the top of the world. We will have more
information about it at newstalks HEDB dot co dot enz.

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Right now, it's twenty five past ten.

Speaker 1 (57:13):
Start your weekend off in style. Saturday Mornings with Jack
Team and Bpure dot co dot inz for high quality supplements,
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Speaker 2 (57:21):
It is twenty eight past ten on newstalks Hed B.
Jack love that interview. It is fascinating to think about
how much Mane Everest has changed in just the last
ten years. Honestly, the photos of all those climbers at
the top, I think is kind of repulsive, says Danny. Yeah,
thank you, Danny, I appreciate that. Ninety two ninety two
is the text number. Jacket newstalks HEADB dot co dot
zed is the email address. It's screen Time Time, our

(57:43):
screen Time Expert Awards. Watched three shows he's going to
recommend to us. Hey, Tara, good morning. Let's begin with
New Zealand's Best Homes with Phil Spencer.

Speaker 7 (57:53):
Yeah.

Speaker 15 (57:53):
Look, when you win the fifty million tonight, Jack, this
your show. It's going to give you some ideas about
how to spend it. This is TVNZ's new property show
that starts tomorrow night, and it is exactly what it
says in the title It's a show that takes us
inside some of the country's most impressive homes. And it's
hosted by Phil Spencer, who is best known as one
of the hosts of Location, Location, Location, And he visited

(58:14):
New Zealand earlier this year and had a lovely trip
around the country. What a gig visiting some of the
most incredible homes, some very expensive homes too, I think,
and the homes of the show are all very different.
But he speaks to the owners and the architects about
why they built their houses the way they did and
why they made those choices. It's a bit like Grand Designs,
but without all the stressful bits of the build. And

(58:37):
Phil Spencer, I mean, we love Location, Location, Location here,
we can't get enough of it. So to have Phil
Spencer here looking at our homes, I think people will
really like that crossover. And I mean I love an
open home, I love looking at course design choices and.

Speaker 2 (58:50):
You know, really nosy.

Speaker 13 (58:52):
And this takes you.

Speaker 15 (58:53):
Right inside some very big, creative, glamorous homes that have
the most spectacular views.

Speaker 2 (58:57):
Yeah, one hundred percent cannot wait for that. So that's
New Zealand's Best Homes with Phil Spencer. Starts on TV
and Z one tomorrow. It's on TV and Z Plus
as well. There's third and final season of the New
Zealand film show Sweet Tooth.

Speaker 15 (59:10):
Yes, the last season of Sweet Tooth dropped on Netflix
this week, and I wanted to mention this show for
a couple of reasons. The first, as you mentioned, it's
an American show, but it is filmed in New Zealand,
so lots of beautiful scenery in this and lots of
recognizable New Zealand actors in this as well. But it's
also a very sweet and warm, fairy tale kind of show.
It deals with quite a dark and unusual storyline, but

(59:34):
it does it in quite a charming, magical kind of way.
It's a fantasy series and it's set in a world
where a mysterious disease has swept the planet and caused
babies to be born as half human half animal. And
the show is about one of these hybrid children, a
ten year old Gus named Gus, who goes on a
journey through the land to find his mother, and he

(59:55):
has to avoid being caught by people who are hunting
down these hybrid humans, and he meets all sorts of
characters along the way who help him? And you know,
it's a beautiful coming of age story. It's a fantasy. See,
it's a drama. There's action in this as well. It
feels a bit Jim hence an esque. It's aimed at adults,
but if you've got older kids in the house, I
think they'll really love this as well. It's straight, strange

(01:00:18):
and sweet and beautiful all at once. Quite unusual.

Speaker 2 (01:00:21):
Yeah, cool, Okay, that's sweet tooth. It's on Netflix and
on three now. Tell us about Blue Lights.

Speaker 15 (01:00:26):
Yeah, I mentioned Blue Lights when the first season came
out a year or two ago, and the second season
has just dropped on three now. And if you're a
fan of police procedural drama, if you like Line of
Duty or Happy Valley or a really good British tense
police drama, this is one for you. This is a
BBC drama. It's set in Belfast in Northern Ireland and
it's about three rookie police officers who join the force

(01:00:50):
and are immediately thrown into the deep end in a
city that has its own unique challenges and issues and history.
And it just takes every box for a great police drama,
good characters, it's tense and gritty. There's a bit of action,
you know, there's some car chases, but it feels very realistic.
It's not over the top, very easy to get into
and very bingebuild.

Speaker 2 (01:01:11):
I'd love it, Okay, Thanks Tara. That's Blue Lights, So
Blue Lights is on three now. Sweet Tooth is on Netflix.
New Zealand's Best Homes with Phil Spencer kicks off tomorrow.
TVNZ plus.

Speaker 1 (01:01:25):
Getting your Weekends started. It's Saturday Morning with Jack Team
on News TALKSBUE.

Speaker 2 (01:01:47):
This is Georgia lines New Zealand's own pop sensation with
a poncho on for bold colors and cheerful energy. Georgia
was snapped up by the very same agent as Coldplay
when she was heard playing in the US, and she's
been on a bit of a meteoric rise ever since.
She was what a couple of weeks ago, last week

(01:02:08):
week before maybe awarded Best Pop Artist at the Old
tar Or Music Awards. And she's just dropped her debut album,
The Rows of Jericho, so we're gonna have a bit
of a listen to that after eleven o'clock this morning.
I've met Georgia a couple of times at random things,
she's just so nice. You know. I just love that
when you meet someone who's got a really amazing, like
true talent, like absolutely you know, a passion for what

(01:02:29):
they do, for sure, but a talent you know, are
kind of born with it, talent and they're just still
really humbling down to earth. It's really it's really charming.
So I'm looking forward to having a bit of a
listen to the rows of Jericho after eleven o'clock this morning.
Before eleven, we're in the garden. It's getting cold right
around the country. Now is the time to prepare for frosts.
So we've got some tips from our man on the

(01:02:51):
garden on exactly what you need to do to prepare
for the coldest part of winter. Right now, it's twenty
four to eleven.

Speaker 1 (01:02:59):
Putting the tough questions to the newspeakers some Mike asking breakfast.

Speaker 16 (01:03:03):
We've got on the Tiger University study that's found there
has been an increase the likelihood of patients being denied
specialist appointments. A Tiger University professor, Robin Gold was the
co author of this particular work and is with us.

Speaker 12 (01:03:13):
I think there's quite a bit we can do. The
new budget announced about five billion dollars.

Speaker 5 (01:03:17):
Going into hospital specialist services.

Speaker 12 (01:03:19):
I think there's a good opportunity now the new government
to allocate some of that money to reply to unmet
needs and then they could be starting to look at
things like how do we get our hospital specialists and
our gps together to form unmet needs care teams. So
then come up with more innovation plants at one that's
announced to try and unblock the system and give greater
access to people.

Speaker 16 (01:03:38):
Back Monday from six am, The Mike Asking Breakfast with
Jaguar Newstalk Z Beat.

Speaker 2 (01:03:43):
Twenty one to eleven on your Saturday, Big Saturday right
around the country. Today, You've got Super Rugby quarter finals
all this afternoon. Feeling cautiously optimistic actually that we might
see three Kiwi teams come out on top of those
quarter finals. I mean you look at the Canes Rebels. Yeah,
I mean that'll be the Canes, the Blues the drawer
or that'll be the Blues. The Brumby's Highlands is nine

(01:04:04):
point thirty tonight. Cautiously optimist stick on that one that
actually the Highlanders might get up. We'll take a look
at that after eleven o'clock this morning. Right now, though,
it is time to catch up with our tech spert,
who was counting down the days to Apple's big software
development conference or develop or conference this week. What are
they going to be announcing, Paul, Well, can you guess?

(01:04:24):
Jack AI AI AI?

Speaker 8 (01:04:28):
Yeah, surprise, No, it's actually really interesting because Apple has
not been a first mover in this space.

Speaker 12 (01:04:34):
Yeah.

Speaker 8 (01:04:34):
I think what we're going to see from Apple is
how you can apply AI to actually be useful to
your day to day life.

Speaker 4 (01:04:43):
Right.

Speaker 8 (01:04:43):
So they're not going to do anything crazy, the expectation
isn't They're not going to do anything around image and
video generation, leave that to the folks of like Adobe, right. Yeah,
what they're going to do is they are going to
probably play more of a virtual assistant, a digital assistant
for your life, right, think about horising information, think about
doing tasks for you. So, for example, this talk that

(01:05:05):
they're going to be upgrade the mail app on your
iPhone for example, to start to you know, help sort
your emails into maybe slightly smarter categories to help you prioritize.

Speaker 2 (01:05:14):
There's talk of a.

Speaker 8 (01:05:16):
Summary of all the things that might have happened on
your phone since you last looked at it that sounds
quite valuable. You can put it in your phone away
and you can just get a nice little summary of
emails or the text messages that want all of your attention. See,
that's the type of stuff. I think it'll be quite interesting.
They're talking about as well, making Siri smarter, and she's

(01:05:38):
going to be able to do things like kind of
in the application level, so potentially reply to specific emails,
delete specific emails, maybe edit photos, or even do things
like summarize a news article.

Speaker 3 (01:05:50):
Can I just say.

Speaker 8 (01:05:51):
One thing, Jack Apple, the Kings of marketing, right, they
are going to rebrand AI as Apple Intelligence, which I.

Speaker 2 (01:06:03):
Saw that and I just thought that is she uh.

Speaker 8 (01:06:08):
You know how much they paid, but it was worth
every single seaton.

Speaker 2 (01:06:11):
It is very interesting a because there's I mean, there's
the hype around AI at the moment is absolutely bananas.
But like you say, you like you say, Apple hasn't
really been a fast mover relative to other companies likes
of Microsoft. Open AI obviously kind of dominating the AI
space at the moment, and very interesting this week in Video,
which is the silicon chip maker that started making chips

(01:06:35):
for use in computer games has now overtaken Apple as
the second most valuable publicly listed company in the world
by capital valuation, so three trillion US dollars market cap,
which is just crazy. So are you expecting as well
as that AI Apple Intelligence announcements this week? Are you

(01:06:55):
expecting anything in terms of a universal operating software across
Apple devices or are we still away way away from that.

Speaker 8 (01:07:02):
I'm hoping so there hasn't been an indication that that's
coming yet. Look, can I just go back to one
thing you mentioned about Apple and AI I think is
really fascinating is that Apple has been a company that
has talked a lot about security, and they've actually kind
of said made part of their marketing that they're different
to Google, they're different to Meta because they keep all

(01:07:23):
your device, all your information on the device. I'm really
interested to see if they're going to do if they're
going to move away from that and move to the
cloud and tap into some of the processing that they
can do there, or if they're going to do a
lot of that on the device, because that's the piece
you mentioned, right, the universal operating system, that's Apple sweet spot.

Speaker 2 (01:07:41):
They can do both.

Speaker 8 (01:07:41):
They can do the hardware and they can do the software,
and I think what we're starting to see and one
of the things that they are talking about launching outside
of AI at this is actually taking some of the
features that are available on mac os, on iPad and
on your iPhone, such as the keychain, which is effectively
a password manager hidden in your settings, and what they're

(01:08:02):
going to do is they're going to pull that out
of the settings and they're going to make that an
Apple that works across all of those different devices. So
that may actually be their strategy and the shorter term,
which is, hey, we know that things now can play
across universally, but we're still recognizing that they are different,
but we are going to allow you to use the
same implications across more across more devices. Because remember too,

(01:08:27):
they've also got their vision pro headset. That will be
interesting to see too. How much they play into that
they're kind of caught between two different hype machines in
some way, right, Yeah, between the AI hype machine and
the caught between the spatial computing hype machine. So how
long they spend its typically ninety minutes to it, Yeah, yeah,
ninety minutes to two hours. How much time they spend

(01:08:47):
talking about egos, I'm sure it's going to be on
the minds of many watery analysts.

Speaker 2 (01:08:52):
Ah, very good, can't wait, tank you Paul, That is
our Textbert Paul Stenhouse Quarter to eleven on News Talks.

Speaker 1 (01:08:57):
He'd be a little bit of way to kick off
your weekend than with Jack Saturday Mornings with Jack, Tay
and vpwured on code for high Quality sub used Talk ZB.

Speaker 2 (01:09:07):
It is fourteen minutes to eleven on News Talk ZB.
For his best buy this week, Master of Wine, Bob
Campbell has chosen a Davillier twenty twenty three Suvignon Blanc
for eighteen dollars. So why did you choose this, Bob?

Speaker 4 (01:09:21):
Well?

Speaker 5 (01:09:21):
I think it's a terrific wine, especially considering the sort
of difficult vintage in twenty twenty three, although this is
from Marlborough and Marlborough was significantly less affected than Hawk's Bay.
But it just came up trumps in twenty three.

Speaker 2 (01:09:39):
And this is an entry level wine for Astronae, right.

Speaker 5 (01:09:43):
Yes it is. Yeah, doua Villie is their entry level label.
It's Astrolabs, the sort of mothership if you like. But
it's certainly not entry level quality. That's the point. Yeah,
what does it taste like well, it's I mean the French,

(01:10:05):
it's got a that you might find interesting. The French
call it the character box hedge. And if anyone's got
a box hedge, you know a lot of orcan homeowners
would have a head of box hedges. Just go out
and grab a couple of leaves and rub them together
with between your finger and thumb and and have a
sniff and you'll get a distinct impression of the swine.

(01:10:33):
That may not sound very tantalizing, but it's an intense wine,
and it's got restrained power and it's a perfect amount
of punch without sort of going overboard. I think it's
a tantalizing wine.

Speaker 2 (01:10:46):
Oh very good. You reckon that. It's pretty good value
at more eighteen dollars or even less because sauvignon blanc
can be a bit more expensive than that.

Speaker 5 (01:10:55):
So we can you pick it up, Bob, Well, you
can get it below the recommended retail price at Veno
Fino and Wine Freedom and Church. They've got a for
sale for fourteen ninety nine, which is a terrific price,
and you can buy it online. Of course, that's the
way to shop today these days.

Speaker 2 (01:11:15):
What would you match it with, Sorry, what would you
match it with?

Speaker 6 (01:11:19):
Do you think it's quite.

Speaker 5 (01:11:21):
A versatile food match? I like it with feta cheese
because it's got nice acidity in the cheese and that
matches facility in the wine. Most seafoods are a happy
match with Duvali sauvignon.

Speaker 2 (01:11:36):
Nice And will it keep Derek and Bob or is
it best drunken soon?

Speaker 5 (01:11:40):
Yeah? It's good for two years, perhaps more, but there's
probably not a lot of a lot of motive for
hanging on to it. It's not going to gain in quality,
but neither will it reduce in quality either.

Speaker 6 (01:11:55):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:11:56):
Right, Oh, that makes a lot of sense. Thanks Bob.
So Bob's best buy for us this week at Devillia
twenty twenty three Sauvignon blanc for eighteen dollars or as
low as fourteen ninety nine. We'll put all the details
up news talks. He'd b dot co dot z. Right now.
It is ten to eleven, garding with steel sharp rue
climb passes our man in the garden. He's with a

(01:12:17):
snow a kilt rude.

Speaker 11 (01:12:19):
Thank Cura Jack. Yeah, in the garden all right, because
it's time to close things up.

Speaker 2 (01:12:23):
Don't you think, well, it's time to start protecting things
a little bit, isn't that it's getting pretty nippy?

Speaker 11 (01:12:28):
Yeah, it is, it is. You're all right in Auckland,
though you can basically keep going.

Speaker 2 (01:12:32):
I'm larger, right, yeah, yeah, But but I mean, having
having spent the b sieres of my life, my formative
years in the three, I know how frosty it can
get in christ Church.

Speaker 11 (01:12:42):
Funny you said I would call it in the what
what I call it? A CHC? Yeah, it's an airline code.
You call it the old three. That's your telephone node.
You know that's good? All right?

Speaker 2 (01:12:53):
Yeah?

Speaker 11 (01:12:54):
So yeah, so you know what, you know how it
looked when the porth Hills are starting to get cloudy
and there's snow coming down and some all that stuff.
So basically I just want to have a little chat
about it. Growth of plants basically stops at this time
of the year anyway, and everybody hibernates, insects and birds
will go through all sorts of hungry phases you name it.

(01:13:15):
But how about your soil? You sometimes people don't really
think about it, but soil sometimes get frozen as well.
And so I want to start off with compost. First,
the compost heap. If you've got a compost heap and
that freezes, basically all the creepy crawlies that live in
the compost heap are also slowing down so much that

(01:13:38):
there isn't a great deal of compost being made. So
I would always say, if you've got an open compost heap,
put some type pollen over the top, or an enormous
smack of pea straw right, really good and thick, and
that basically keeps the if you like the environment down
below the down unders keeps them going and keep making composts.

(01:14:00):
That's important.

Speaker 2 (01:14:01):
Nice.

Speaker 11 (01:14:02):
And another example, do you have citrus in your gun?
You have limes and lemon?

Speaker 2 (01:14:06):
Yeah, yeah, I got the lemas look a grade actually
at the moment.

Speaker 11 (01:14:09):
Yeah, because they're fruiting eggs.

Speaker 2 (01:14:10):
They certainly are, Yeah, and the fruity match. I've got
a much more plentiful crop than this time last year,
which is nice.

Speaker 11 (01:14:16):
Which is quite logic because the lemon has a year
on year off quite often. So if you wanted more
a year on year on, have three of these, three
of them next to each other if you like, and
at least one will be doing you know what I mean,
But that's another story. So what I do with the
CYNRISI is very simple. You do the whole surface again,

(01:14:37):
put organic matter in back or compost again, or that
those chippered branches if you like. And basically that means
that these plants are fine. They're doing everything they need
to do without being hassled by the frost. So that's important.
There's another way to go, and I think I might

(01:14:57):
mention that frost cloth is really important, but there's also
a material called liquid frost cloth that you spray on
the plants that you don't want to get frosted. And
that is a it's a waxy material, yes kind of
stuff material, Yes, totally, it's got Yeah, it's got no
no nasty chemicals in it. No, no, that's it. And

(01:15:22):
but it only goes to minus three. So if you
live somewhere in yeah, yeah, you'll probably have to put
some extra frost cross over the top, but generally speaking
you can do that in Auckland quite easily. A bit
to minus three, no problem at all. And it's a
it's a waxy material that literally covers your leaves. Then yeah,

(01:15:44):
and then the other thing. That's what we do here
is when we have orchids and you just really don't
want to give them that last touch. I usually put them,
especially if they're in a pot, under an existing tree,
like an eucalyptus, because that covers it from frost as well.

Speaker 2 (01:16:00):
Did you realize that, Yeah, right, that's.

Speaker 11 (01:16:03):
No, but there you are. So if you put it
under a tree or that can actually have the leaves
over the top of your sensitive level tree, you can
actually stop it from freezing there as well. Yeah, there
you go.

Speaker 2 (01:16:16):
Yeah, I used to. I used to do that terrible
make a terrible mistake because we lived on Hunsbury Hill, right,
so we were above Sea christ which is good different
from most of most of the city. And I think
we're about one hundred and thirty meters up or something,
you know. And I used to look out the window
and go, oh, it looks like a nice day. And
I'd step outside and they go, it's not too bad.
And I'd start riding my bike down the hill and

(01:16:38):
as I rode down the hill, I could feel the
temperature change. Right, so as you as you as you
get further from the sun and you get slightly close
to the sea level, slightly closer to the frost, it
would just get colder and colder and colder, and about
halfway down the hill, I would think, oh my god,
I'm not sure if my hands are going to be
able to pull the brakes, like I'm so cold all
of a sudden. So my advice for dealing with the

(01:16:58):
frost is always we gloves.

Speaker 11 (01:17:01):
Yeah, or go and buy buy house. Someone on top
of the hill exactly seeing me, Kennedy sports cold air
is heavier than warm air, and it goes down hill,
which is why you keep your warm air on the
top too.

Speaker 2 (01:17:14):
Right, thank you, Rude. We'll put all the rud's advice
up on the news talks. He'd website after eleven o'clock.
On news talks, he'd be or we're taking on a
taboo subject, giving you some options for a more sustainable burial. Yes,
you heard that right. News is next though it's almost
to leave an I'm Jactavis Saturday morning on Newstalks.

Speaker 1 (01:17:33):
It'd be Saturday mornings with Jack Day keeping the conversation
going through the weekend with Bpure dot cot on in
here for high quality supplements used dogs B.

Speaker 2 (01:18:06):
News talks, it'd be you with Jack Daime. This Saturday
morning through to twelve o'clock midday today. Big protests planned
in Auckland this afternoon, of course, against the government's fast
track legislation. Proposed fast track legislation, so don't forget if
you are planning to head out today in our biggest city,
you might want to keep that in mind when you're
planning your destination how long it might take to get

(01:18:29):
there before midday. We've got new music for you from
the amazing New Zealand pop sensation Georgia Lions. She's just
got like an incredibly pure voice and we're going to
cover out a bit of time so that we can
have a listen to her album The Rose of Jericho
this morning. As well as that. John Grisham has just
published his latest so we will tell you about his book,

(01:18:50):
Camino Island shortly right now, it's eight past eleven. Jack
Dae and our sustainability commentator Kate All aka Ethically Kate
is with us this morning. Calder Kaide, Well then that's
how we going. Yeah, good, thank you. I've been looking
forward to chatting because you're taking on a bit of
a confronting subject this morning, green burial options and yeah,

(01:19:11):
I mean For most people, the question is do you
want to be buried or do you want them to
fire up the kiln? But actually it's a little bit
more complex than that. If sustainability is something that you
value at the time of life, when your life comes
to an end, there are lots of different options to consider.
So what do people need to think about?

Speaker 13 (01:19:29):
Well, I think firstly they're like, we do have a
few different options, but I hope that in the future
we do have more, because some of them aren't legal
in New Zealand. But I guess you've got to think
about not only how can I dispose of my body
when I'm gone in a way that doesn't harm the environment,
but actually what good can my body do? You know,

(01:19:51):
if you flip it on, you know, think about it
in a positive lights, then you're not just saying no
to embalming, but you're thinking about, oh, where could I
be buried that I could actually have a tree planted
on top of me, or you know, how could you know,
how could my body actually nourish earth when I'm gone,
rather than just not do bad things? You know what
I mean?

Speaker 2 (01:20:11):
Silver lining somewhere right.

Speaker 13 (01:20:13):
Yeah, exactly. Well, it's like, you know, for me, I think,
you know, if I cut my nails, I either do
it outside or put that in my compost. Same with
my hair. I'm thinking about composting, you know, bodily items
that I don't need anymore, but your whole body, right,
that's going to break down and that actually can be

(01:20:33):
really nourishing. So firstly, thinking about what what is my
body going to do? I know, obviously everyone has different
cultural values and traditions that may mean they opt for
cremation or for being berries, but there's so many different things,
you know, that you can choose within that. So firstly,
being embalmed is I think it's something people have just

(01:20:56):
gone to as a default because it's just kind of
traditionally been what we do. But a lot more people
are moving away from embalming because I mean, personally sort
of being embalmed, it's like the last thing I would
want my body to do on this earth, to be
you know, pumped through full of chemicals, your jaw kind
of stitched up, and you know, to me to look

(01:21:17):
all kind of nice. Obviously, embalming can be relevant if
the funeral is delayed and things like that, but if
you care for the body and use things like ice
and kind of you know, more natural methods to preserve
the body. You can avoid avoid embalming for both a
burial or a commation right about, and still you can

(01:21:39):
still like you can still have the opportunity for your
friends in Fino to be with the body and look
at the body without being embalmed. Like, there's so many
different kind of natural ways that they can happen.

Speaker 2 (01:21:51):
What about sustainable coffins and shrouds and that kind of thing.

Speaker 13 (01:21:56):
Yes, so, I mean probably a lot of people haven't
even thought about, you know, will I be in a shroud?
Because I think in New Zealand that's less common. I
would say, have you ever been to a funeral with
a shroud?

Speaker 12 (01:22:09):
No?

Speaker 2 (01:22:09):
I don't think I have. I've been to a few,
you know, a few funerals with open coffins, but not
one we're one's wearing a shroud, I don't think.

Speaker 4 (01:22:16):
No.

Speaker 2 (01:22:17):
So it's like, excuse my ignorance on this. It's kind
of like a veil, right.

Speaker 13 (01:22:22):
Well, it's basically just a lot of cloth. I actually, strangely,
my uncle wants to be He's fine and well unhappy,
but in the future he wants to be buried in
a shroud. And he has a big connection with India.
So when I was in India last year, I actually
got him a shroud and it's essentially cloth, just a
lot of it, so you can choose. I mean, we

(01:22:45):
have a lot of different It was very rare. It
was funny when I was when I was purchasing it,
I was being you know, focused on the details, and
then I realized, oh my goodness, I don't want this
to be used anyway. So you know shrouds. Yeah, places
like India, that's actually a really common thing that the
body is just essentially wrapped in a lot of wreck

(01:23:06):
and then there may be some you know, kind of
rope or ribbons or things tied around it. And you know,
if you do want that body to be present and
kind of on display at the funeral, there's a shroud
barrier that bearer like a shroud carrier, so you know,
a platform that it can go on, the body can
be placed on, so it can actually be carried easier,

(01:23:29):
so you're not just carry you know, carrying a body
in cloth. So yeah, thinking about a shroud, thinking about
natural materials, thinking about if the body is in the
coffin that hopefully that wood is made from sustainable materials
that aren't treated. Thinking about even the clothes that the
body is clothed in, you know, like hopefully yeah, natural fibers,

(01:23:53):
you know, will cotton, hemp rather than you're synth it
kind of polyesters which will not really break down in
the ground. And one thing, I've really dived into this
topic recently and it's been fast standing because I don't
think you know, your death is not really a lovely
thing to talk about, but we really need to think
about these things because there's so many of us and

(01:24:15):
we'll all need to end up, you know, with a
body we don't need one day. So it's cool. In
New Zealand we do have more natural burial sites, so
places where you can opts to be buried and you
have to kind of work with the team there to
make sure that all the materials that are going in

(01:24:36):
the ground with the body are natural and won't do
damage to the environment. And then a tree is placed
on top of that so kind of in memory, and
also that tree will be well nourished. But as the
body breaks down.

Speaker 2 (01:24:50):
Yeah, I really like that. So at the moment, what
would be the most sustainable options in New Zealand.

Speaker 13 (01:24:55):
Detail, So until we have water cremation, which is a
whole other thing where basically the body is yeah, so
that's also it's about half the carbon and mis of
your natural normal cremation. So until we have water cremation,
which is essentially with a lot of heat and pressure

(01:25:16):
and alkaline, the body tissues are all broken down and
you're left with just the bones. So that's basically yeah,
you're the matter over. I think it's a matter of
about twelve hours. It just breaks down and doesn't need
that intense energy that cremation takes. But that's not legal
in New Zealand yet, but keep an eye on that space.

(01:25:38):
We do just have natural burial and cremation. So with cremation,
obviously that does involve a lot of energy intensity and
so thinking about some cremation, some crematoriums will have kind
of policy on using energy off peak times and you know,
really thinking carefully about their karbon emissions, which is great.

(01:25:59):
And when you're being buried, thinking about what is the
body going to be buried and where will it be buried?
Could I go to an the natural burial sites so
that I can find a natural coffin natural materials and
have a tree planted on top to kind of pick
up less land use and things like that too.

Speaker 2 (01:26:17):
Right, Yeah, that makes a lot of sense.

Speaker 13 (01:26:19):
Lots of things to think about it, and the funeral
with all the different other elements too. But nobody, No,
absolutely not, absolutely not. But if we think about these
things early, you know, then we can kind of make
plans for this and now, you know, we can think
and know and trust that, you know, if you were

(01:26:40):
to not need your body any longer, that it would
be disposed of in a way that was good for
the earth.

Speaker 2 (01:26:46):
Yeah, no, totally. Hey, thank you so much, Kate. That
is really really interesting food for thought. That is Kate Hall,
our sustainability commentator you can find on the social media
platforms by switching ethically Kate After Break on New Stork
z'd be, our travel correspondent is continuing his Italian odyssey.
This week. He's going to tell us all about Naples
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Speaker 2 (01:27:13):
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Hey Mike, good morning Jack.

Speaker 7 (01:27:18):
Now, like your producer, are you off to the climate
protest after the show, or are you're going home to
watch the cricket.

Speaker 2 (01:27:24):
I will be watching the cricket this afternoon. I am
taking no position on the climate protest except to say
that people are very welcome to protest as they wish,
you know, anywhere. But I know I am you know,
I always in my in my role on Q and A,
I always just try and take a kind of politically
neutral position on all these sorts of things, and so yeah,

(01:27:44):
people are welcome to protest, people are welcome to support
the bill as far as I'm concerned. But I've got
a I've got a job, which means that, uh no,
I don't. I don't participate in anything like that. So yeah,
sure enough, are you going to get Is there one
in Christich as well today?

Speaker 7 (01:27:58):
I suspect hearers yes, But I have to have been
seduced by the cricket. The idea of US beating Afghinnistan.

Speaker 2 (01:28:06):
What could be better?

Speaker 3 (01:28:09):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (01:28:09):
Yeah, it's a funny old T twenty a so far.
I mean, you know, it's early days in the tournament,
but you're really getting the sense that T twenty is
going to be like rugby sevens. I reckon and that
basically any team can win, you know, Like, so you
see Kenya beats like a New Zealand team in the
sevens and it's not a huge you know, it might
be better unexpected, but it's not totally crazy. And you

(01:28:31):
look at all the high guns kind of playing for
these different teams, you know that the Cory Anderson, you know,
teeing off for Team USA and Corey Anderson from christ Church.

Speaker 4 (01:28:41):
You know.

Speaker 2 (01:28:41):
Okay, tell me what.

Speaker 7 (01:28:44):
I was just watching some of the build up and
Danny Morrison is looking more and more like Sugaran Dolton.

Speaker 2 (01:28:50):
Oh is it?

Speaker 12 (01:28:52):
Well?

Speaker 2 (01:28:52):
Yeah, okay, yeah, no, actually I can kind of see that.
I can kind of see that observation.

Speaker 4 (01:28:58):
Yeah.

Speaker 11 (01:28:58):
Right.

Speaker 2 (01:28:59):
So anyway, that game begins in nine minutes live from
the Guyana National Stadium, so I'll make sure I keep
you run up to speed that the Black Cat's bowling
first against Afghanistan. Anyway, this morning, we are turning our
attention to a different side of the Atlantic and Naples,
Naples strikes many newcomers. Is pretty intense, is it Italy

(01:29:22):
in the extreme? Would you say?

Speaker 7 (01:29:24):
I think it is? Yeah, rough and ready in your face, gritty, gripping,
even intimidating to the uninitiated. And I have to say, Jack,
on previous occasions, I have not gone beyond the train
station in Naples because I've stuck my head outside piles
of rubbish, the ensuing assembly of the bad and the
sad outside, and it's just been a huge turn off.

(01:29:46):
So I thought, last month, come on, man up, give
Naples a fair shake. And I was very eager to
get a real flavor of what is a heaving city.
And I'm delighted to report I wasn't mugged, I wasn't
gunged down by the Kimora, and I wasn't run down
in a city where read lights are merely decorations.

Speaker 2 (01:30:08):
Yeah. Nice. And so despite the lawless traffic, did you
find it to be a walkable city?

Speaker 7 (01:30:14):
It's definitely the way to explore it.

Speaker 6 (01:30:16):
Yeah.

Speaker 7 (01:30:17):
There are some epic main streets, many which were laid
out thousands of years ago, like via day Tribunali, which
just brims with monuments as you walk along the street.
And even below Tribunali, they've got what they call the
Monumental Complex, which is this ancient market undergrounds. The vast

(01:30:38):
ruins of it that's fascinating to explore. But it really
is in the skinny lanes of the old City Jack
that serves up the most vivid slice of Neapolitan life.

Speaker 3 (01:30:50):
You know.

Speaker 7 (01:30:51):
It just sort of tumbles out into the street like
an old Fresco pageant. You'll see teenagers flirting, schoolboys fighting,
market store vendors touting, there wears with operatic gusto. It
really does feel like you are getting to snatch of
real deal naples in those lanes.

Speaker 2 (01:31:08):
And any standout lanes well if you're after some instant gold.

Speaker 7 (01:31:12):
There is this legendary Nativity street called Via San Gregorio
a Menol, and there are hundreds of artisans in the street,
jam packed hawking their hand crafted nativity cribs and figurines,
so as you can imagine, come Christmas time, the place
is just chaos. But they also do a really good
line of contemporary figurines. You can pick up a Berlsconi

(01:31:35):
at Trump, at marda Donna at Taylor Swift. They're all
there in matt Street, and then in the Spanish Quarter
they've just got like this spaghetti like tangle of lanes
and it's home to this free story high mural of Diego, Marda,
Donna and but of course the locals in Napoli, they

(01:31:56):
just adore Maradonna because he skippered them to two wins
for that Italian football championship with Napoli. So they've got
this massive mural of him, and there are still small
shrines beneath the mural being created today by locals who, yeah,
they just venerate them.

Speaker 2 (01:32:14):
Yeah, yeah, I understandably too. So where did you go
for pizza?

Speaker 7 (01:32:18):
Well, you spoiled for choice in the birthplace, so I
went to a place called Pizzaia da McLay, which has
been pumping out the Neapolitan staples Margarita or Madhanara for
one hundred and fifty years. And the reason there are
huge lines at this place is because this is the
pizzaia that had the starring appearance in each prop Club

(01:32:40):
with Juliet Roberts. The thing which amazed me Jack is
despite the fame of this place, the pizzas are still
bargain priced. Five euro for a pizza bigger than a
dinner plate.

Speaker 4 (01:32:53):
Wow.

Speaker 7 (01:32:54):
And that's whether you're dining in or to go. And
the quite sloppy pizza, it's quite sloppy in the middle
but definitely worth the weight.

Speaker 2 (01:33:04):
So when you say sloppy, do you mean the things
are sloppy or like the Yeah, what do you mean
by that?

Speaker 3 (01:33:09):
Now?

Speaker 2 (01:33:09):
Well, like the base is kind of sloppy.

Speaker 7 (01:33:12):
The base has got that lovely sort of leopard spotted
charring once you get into it. Yeah, but once you
get to the middle of the pizza, they just load
up so much fresh buffalo mozzarella. Then it becomes quite
sloppy to like folded up at like a napkin, and
that way it's very good.

Speaker 2 (01:33:31):
Well that's the way because in New York, you know,
they get a slice and then they fold it lengthways,
you kind of over itself like a sandwid almost or something.
So yeah, exactly, yeah, very similar. Yeah right, So what
is the best pastry in Naples?

Speaker 7 (01:33:44):
Ah? I stuffed myself stupid on Follier Tella, which is
this shell shaped Italian puff pastry similar to a croissant,
but it's injected with sweet ricotta with a hint of vanilla,
cinnamon and Sorrento lemon.

Speaker 2 (01:34:01):
Ah.

Speaker 7 (01:34:02):
This Follia tailor is best served warm. You want a
warm one, and it's got a very crispy shell, very
fluffy interior. They are synonymous with Naples binge away.

Speaker 2 (01:34:13):
Yeah, okay, that sounds so good. Are there good landmarks,
good museums and Naples that are worth checking out?

Speaker 7 (01:34:20):
Yeah, just a couple of tips. To get your pastry
fix on those Sofalia tellers, go to Grand Cafe Gambrinos.
It's this landmark coffeehouse from the eighteen sixties. And right
across the road from the cafe is Galleria Umberto Aulno,
which is a replica, an absolute replica of the famed
Glass Domes Galleria in Milan, and they were both built

(01:34:43):
in the nineteenth century. The Naples version was built pretty
much is a unification present to the city. So that's
a must see, as is the Archaeological Museum Jack. They
have got the most priceless artifacts rescued from Pompavia and
best of all, the Secret Room, which counts an X
rated collection of erotic art salvaged from the ashes of Pompeii,

(01:35:07):
hundreds and hundreds of works. They were such a raunchy
lot in Pompeii, and I mean I was quite I
was feeling quite offended as I was looking at these pieces,
the statues and the frescoes. They leave nothing to the
imagination two thousand years ago.

Speaker 2 (01:35:24):
Yeah, yeah, fair enough, right, a little bit of blushing. Then,
maybe what would be the quirkiest attractor in Naples.

Speaker 7 (01:35:31):
Well within the Gothic grandeur of their dormo the cathedral,
the relics of the Naples patron, Saint Genoarius. Now, three
times a year Jack, the faithful of Naples gather around
the cathedral to witness what they call the miracle of
the Blood. This is a weird old thing, but apparently
he's got like dried blood from Genarius is kept in

(01:35:53):
a glass vial, right, and three times a year it's
brought out for public display. Supposedly, the dried blood liquefies
in front of them. Pope Francis went to the cathedral
for a year years ago, kissed the vial in Supposedly
it's spontaneously liquefied for the Pope. Wow, you may want

(01:36:13):
to add genuarious to your checklist.

Speaker 2 (01:36:17):
Yeah, oh very good. Okay, thank you so much, Mike.
It does sound amazing. Did it win you over then?
After all of that?

Speaker 7 (01:36:25):
What was that?

Speaker 4 (01:36:26):
Sorry?

Speaker 2 (01:36:26):
Did it win you over? Given your hesitance, you know,
give you hesitation?

Speaker 4 (01:36:31):
Yeah?

Speaker 7 (01:36:31):
Yeah, in places it is a bit of a hot mess,
but overall it's well worth checking out, very rewarding.

Speaker 2 (01:36:38):
Yeah, very good. I always reckon if the place you're
visiting is a bit of a hot mess or if
it's intense. So if you're traveling through you know, like
India or Pakistan or something like that, then the key
is just to have is to shell out for really
good accommodation so that at the end of the day
you can try and just have a bit of tranquility,
you know, like, if it's an intense experience outside, make
sure the inside experience is as peaceful as possible. That's mine.

Speaker 3 (01:36:59):
Very wise.

Speaker 2 (01:36:59):
Yeah, hey, thank you so much. We'll put all of
Mike's tips for getting to grips with Naples up on
the news talks. He'd be website black Caps Afghanis that
are about to kick off in Guyana. I'll make sure
I keep you up to speak at the score there.
It's just gone eleven.

Speaker 1 (01:37:11):
Thirty, Getting your weekends started. It's Saturday morning with Jack
Team on news talks 'b you Can.

Speaker 3 (01:37:40):
You Can?

Speaker 2 (01:37:43):
This is Tom York. You know him as the lead
singer songwriter from Radiohead, but he's actually released three solo
albums it's done all sorts of amazing stuff and incredible music. Anyway,
he's just announced his first solo tour of New Zealand.
It's going to be later this year. He's going to
go to the O three, he's gonna go to christ
Church come to Auckland as well. It's in October and

(01:38:04):
we'll make sure we'll put some information up on the
news Talks website. Those are sure to be very very
popular shows indeed. And it's just after eleven thirty on
your Saturday morning. Jason Pines in the hot seat for
a week in Sport this afternoon. His producer Andy McDonald
is here and Andy, Afghanistan six for none off, four
balls and Guyana. The thing about your Afghanistan pretty good
at T twenty surprisingly good actually yeah, I mean yeah,

(01:38:27):
given the state of Afghanistan at the moment, I mean
they played most of their cricket overseas, but no, you
know what, they're not a bad shout in this game.
They were a very good shout actually, And I was
looking at the odds last night, Yeah, about two dollars
seventy underdogs, which for Afghanistan against age, you established top
eight nation like New Zealand, who've admittedly played hard leaning
cricket in the past week. While regardless, if you were

(01:38:48):
going to have a punt today, you would say you've
probably got a better chance putting a buck on Afghanistan
than you do entering powerball. O.

Speaker 12 (01:38:55):
Yeah, big time.

Speaker 2 (01:38:56):
Thank you for reminding me. I haven't even got my
ticket yet. Actually, yeah, maybe if you get that you
can hit over and enjoy the spectacle of the teach
when we World Cup, because it has been a lot
of fun with even USA beating Pakistan as well. It's
Canada beat Ireland this morning on top of that, so
it's under It does feel like we're in it. We're
at the sort of point and T twenty cricket a
little bit kind of like where it is a little

(01:39:18):
bit like seven's rugby where it feels like lots of
these teams that are kind of you know, don't have
you know, they're not Test playing nations necessarily in the
T twenty format, they are able to compete with the
big boys, and all you need is for one of
those teams to have a bit of an off day
and conditions to favor them, and a Batsmen have an
amazing performance and what do you know you can have
an upset victory.

Speaker 5 (01:39:39):
Oh?

Speaker 2 (01:39:39):
Absolutely, And I think there's another great set. I heard
England have never beaten a European team in World Cup
cricket because they've played the Netherlands twice, lost to them
and then they they were rained out against Scotland. So
these it's a perfect format. These these we call them
mino teams. But some of them, like Afghanistan does not

(01:40:00):
deserve the tagnos anymore. I don't think that give them
a chance to actually shine and realistically enjoy a chance
of beating one of these top nations. And like we've seen,
I think now there's two days in a row we've
had an underdog we might get We might even get
that from Afghanistan today, although I do I do hope
for New Zealand and this one. But that's a turning
pitch as well, which probably helps Afghanistan a lot. Yeah,

(01:40:23):
that's true. Yeah, So with super Rugby, speaking of upsets,
what do you reckon the likelihood is that the hardeneders
can get up tonight? Because I reckon Blues drew it.
That's a shoeing for the Blues, right Canes Rebels, that's
a shoeing for the Canes. That's four thirty the Blues game,
seven o'clock to night, nine thirty to night Brumbies Highlanders.
I reckon the Landers could get up, there would be
a bit of a surprise. I think those in the
Deep South might not like me for this. I don't

(01:40:44):
think they can the Brumbies at home that they beat
the Hurricanes at home. Yeah, even they're not though they're
not playing the Hurricanes. The Hurricanes haven't been the Brumbies
since twenty seventeen, I don't think so, and most of
them have been played in Canberra. So I don't see
much of a chance for the Highlanders. Although stranger things
have happened. We all thought last night was actually going
to be the one that was going to lead to

(01:41:05):
an upset and the Chiefs just robbed home. Nah, I
was confident aenced last night, but yeah, I mean it
was certainly one side in the what's on the show
this afternoon? Oh, we've got inside our CEO, Mark Robinson.
Is a chill time lately. All all the spotlight's been
on the board lately. But now now we're back to
the CEO to find out the fallout for him from
that one a bit of obviously previewing all those quarter

(01:41:28):
finals as well, going out to the Highlanders chatting to
Ethan de Groot ye Greek k out of the Blues
and Braden Newyrsse from the Hurricanes, and the Warriors play
tonight as well against the Cowboys.

Speaker 7 (01:41:38):
That's right.

Speaker 2 (01:41:38):
Stacy Jones joins us for a quick yarn on that
was the Warriors game tonight, seven thirty, so right, so
pick here. This is one of those week in main
screen hang on, so we're going to be able to go.
There's going to be a perfect because the black Caps
will finish up just in time for a bit of
analysis for the end of the game. Obviously we're going
to have Weekend Sport going the whole time, but then
you go straight into the rugby this afternoon, the Canes game,

(01:41:58):
and then straight into the Blues. But then you're going
to go the Warriors as well to decide between oh,
if it's a if it's for the Blues, you can
just quickly change over the Worries for excitement. Perfect, very good,
thank you, sir, Jack Andy McDonald live. Jason Pine is
going to be on Mike for Weekend Sport right after
the twelve o'clock news on Newstalks EDB. Coming up before midday,
new music from You for You from Georgia Lines. And

(01:42:20):
next up we're going to tell you about the latest
John Grisham thriller twenty four to twelve.

Speaker 3 (01:42:24):
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Right now it's twenty one to twelve one News Talks
head B. Katherine Rains has two books to recommend to
us this weekend. Hey Katherine, morning Jack. Let's begin with
the latest from John Grisham. Tell us about Camino Island.

Speaker 17 (01:42:45):
So this centers on three characters, author Mercerman and Bruce Cable,
who's the owner of Bay Books and Murser is looking
for inspiration for her third novel and Bruce suggests to
her the story of Dark Eye, which is this uninhabited
island between Florida and Georgia that was once a home
to a community of runaway slaves. And the third characters

(01:43:05):
are living to see of the Dark Isle. Miss Lovely Jackson,
who's now in her eighties and lives on Camino Island,
having left the Dark Island nineteen fifty five when she
was fifteen with her mother, who was a slave, and
she's published a book about the island in his History
and things like that. And now this deserted island has
caught the attention of property developers in this large corporation

(01:43:26):
and they've got political backing and money and plans, and
they want to build a casino on this island and
lovely plans to prove her ownership of the Dark Isle
and thought their plans and protect the land where her
ancestors are buried. So you get this captivating and heartbreaking
tale of this rich historical perspective and the law of
the island and the chapters interspersed through the novel and

(01:43:48):
the history of the British and Spanish owned colonies and slavery,
and you get her account of the realities of the
slave trade and that her mother escaped against this greed
of corporations and the questionable practices of politicians and complete
disregard for the environment and the sprawl of this business.
And it's a great you know, John Grisham's a master storyteller,
and it's a great story and the way all the

(01:44:09):
characters mession mald together and yeah, it's just it's well told,
and you get very engrossed in what's going on in
the island and lovely story and it's so good.

Speaker 2 (01:44:17):
Great, excellent. Okay, that's Camino Island by John Gresham. You've
also read Endgame nineteen forty four, How Stalin Won the
War by Jonathan Dimbleby.

Speaker 17 (01:44:27):
So this looks at how the Soviet victories actually enabled
Stalin to dictate the terms of the post war settlement
and lay the foundations for the Cold War. And the
focus of Dimbully's book is on Operation Baggeration, and it
starts in nineteen forty four, and it's the Soviet on
slought during the Second World War and this offensive on

(01:44:47):
five fronts four Soviet armis and one Polish and it's
partially there and driven by the humiliation of the German
evasion in nineteen forty one of the USSR, when the
German Armony were on the outskirts of Moscow. And so
these well over a million men set out across a
line stretching from the Baltic to the Black and it
began in June forty four and at the same time

(01:45:10):
as the Normandy landings in the first week of that month,
and by August they were on the outskirts of Warsawts,
so they advanced in some cases as much as six
hundred kilometers and the you know, the Nazi armies were
out of the Baltic and batteries in eastern Poland and
across the border regions, and you know, both armies suffered
horrific casualties in the in the five months, and thousands

(01:45:32):
of German and Soviet mens killed and wounded and captured,
you know, and the devastating losses of German armor and equipment.
And you know, he demultique brings into his military story,
you know, extracts from Russian and German diaries and private letters,
so you get this real personal telling of the story
as well. What was really interesting, actually Germany's worst enemy
was actually probably Adolf Hitler, because again and again he

(01:45:55):
would say that towns were strongholds and he wouldn't let
anyone retreat, and then divisions and armies would find themselves
surrounded and it's a pattern to keep it occurring. But
by contrast, Startup let his field commanders and kept in
contact with him, but he's seldom interfered with their decisions.
And so you get this Russian offensive alongside Allied conferences
and strategies, and this very stormy relationship between Roosevelt, Startin,

(01:46:20):
and Churchill as they try to agree on Europe's post
war future.

Speaker 3 (01:46:23):
And it's a.

Speaker 17 (01:46:24):
Fascinating narrative and a very different kind of look in
some ways that you know, how everything came together and
really how the Cold War started.

Speaker 2 (01:46:31):
Yeah, it is amazing, right, Like I think, you know,
just because of the way we all kind of tell
our own stories and history and stuff, that Russia's role
is often overlooked, at least, you know, through some Western
lenses when it comes to you know, the incredible sacrifices
and efforts made in World War Two, and you know,
remarkable to think about how that story has now been

(01:46:52):
twisted in Russia by Vladimir Putin and is being used
once again for you know, what some would say is
you know, completely you know, antithetical to democracy. Yeah, it's
quite remarkable, Thank you so Muchine, sounds really interesting. So
that's nineteen forty four. In Game nineteen forty four, House
Stalin Won the War by Jonathan Dimbleby and Catherine's first book,

(01:47:14):
The John Grisham one is called Camino Island. Both of
those are up on the News Talks He'd be website.
Georgia Lines is an amazing New Zealand musician. She just
won one of the top awards at the Alta Or
Music Awards. She's also just released her first album. The
album is called The Rose of Jericho and we're going
to play some of it for you next.

Speaker 1 (01:47:33):
Giving you the inside scoop on all you need in
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Speaker 18 (01:47:43):
There, run any words anymore as you wonty the drawers,
you said love was getting lost in the plane tanks
mean to know on the reason we broke.

Speaker 19 (01:47:55):
To your colors and turn into gray. This is the
Massy new.

Speaker 2 (01:48:15):
This is Georgia Lines. She's got a new album called
The Rose of Jericho. That song's called the Letter. She
just has such a good voice, doesn't She's amazing music
review a Stelle Cliff It has been listening to the album.
She's with us skelterer.

Speaker 20 (01:48:28):
Aw that just got me in the fields. Yeah, you
know when you instantly listen to something and you think, WHOA,
they have been through a lot since the last time.

Speaker 2 (01:48:39):
When we spoke yeah yeah, and just.

Speaker 20 (01:48:41):
Putting it all right out there, and such visual lyrics
that she gives us the whole as you empty the drawers,
love's getting lost in the pain.

Speaker 13 (01:48:51):
I'm like far around.

Speaker 20 (01:48:52):
It feels like you're at that moment where it all
came tumbling down and someone's walking out the door. And
then you also put that, like you said, her voice
is absolutely incredible, and this album is an absolute pure
showcase of everything she can do with her voice, where
sometimes it's like deep and low and rich and just
really down at this level, and then it grows into

(01:49:15):
almost like a theme song from a from a film
or something, you know, like they just grow into these
really big the ones where she's used the orchestral backing.
She really has just flown into these big, huge, all
encompassing songs. I actually think it's kind of weird with
Georgia Lines to say that this is her debut album
because she's released so many incredible singles. She has been

(01:49:41):
on both of the Tola hen Air tours, and she's
released incredible singles from that. She's been over to South
by South.

Speaker 2 (01:49:49):
What's called southwest by South.

Speaker 11 (01:49:51):
There we go.

Speaker 20 (01:49:56):
There's a place right in Texas where they do this show,
and she's been there like six or seven times, so
she's got this really great traction for live shows and
what she's really but finally this whole full body of
work outside the EPs and it is a real journey.
I just again right from the first list and I'm
like bloomin Eck's she's been going through a lot. There's

(01:50:19):
this palpable heartache, very vulnerable, and I think that's incredible
for an artist to be able to deliver that in
a space where you know other people are now going
to take hold of that and go, hey, what's going on?
At times is that real goosebumpy skin. And I love
the the orchestral arrangements, but they have these heavy keys

(01:50:39):
or heavy basslines that will go underneath it, so it
gives it that kind of almost atmospheric hum behind some
of the songs. Yeah, visual as well, and sometimes it's
just a girl at a piano pouring your heart out
and that's incredible too. And then you get into I
think this is the great thing. There's real light and
shade in the album, So it's not all gonna it's

(01:51:01):
not all going to keep you down there in the
in the sorrow, in the dark. There's all so some
real light and some real jams on here. You're gonna
play one of those soon acturally where I just it's
almost got like an eighties pop sort of okay yeah
once again, kind of a synth sort of in the background,
and it's got pacey drums and the songs called say

(01:51:24):
You Say You Still, and it's just again her real
clever lyrics that just they're quite relatable and they draw
you in with how she delivers them. And I think
again she's just really played with her vocals and how
she's put those into you know, the melodic where she
where she changes pace sometimes isn't quite where you'd think

(01:51:44):
it would go, but it's such a catchy way of
doing things that you can't help just getting along with
the song. Like I've only I've listened to this album
a few times through the week, and I feel very
familiar with it already.

Speaker 2 (01:51:55):
Oh And I think that says a.

Speaker 20 (01:51:57):
Lot for songwriting and melodies and being really catchy, really
tingly doet with tests. I mean, you just know once
you hear his dulcet tones on this on You're just
going to melt right, Yeah, and it's yeah, that's near
the end of the album, so that sort of comes
on and you're like, WHOA, hang on, I thought we'd
done all the emotional laiels.

Speaker 9 (01:52:16):
But yeah, yeah, it really is.

Speaker 20 (01:52:19):
I think it's gonna be an epic one to see
her perform live, and it'll be really interesting to see whose
storytelling and interviews when she, you know, releases such an
album that's clearly full of so much of her own
heart hard on sleeve. It's out there, how she navigates there,
I suppose, and then the delivery when it comes into
live gigs. If you are in Tonga tonight, she's at

(01:52:43):
Taught to Street. Possibly that's already sold out. It is
the album Rea, so it could already have been gone
because it's her hometown too. She's been packed up by
the same big talent agent who looks after little bands
like Coldplay and m GMT. Yeah. I think I think
you even approage to her.

Speaker 17 (01:53:01):
Yeah.

Speaker 20 (01:53:01):
I think Larry Whitman was kind of like, oh, I
look after these guys. You might have heard of them,
which I mean, I'm sure or Georgia was willing to
just say the same like us. Yeah, yeah, okay, so
what did you give it?

Speaker 2 (01:53:13):
Why did you give music? Great? Yeah, the Rose of Jericho, The.

Speaker 20 (01:53:18):
Rise of Jericho, Rebirth, refinding yourself. It's it's a clean
sing out attention.

Speaker 2 (01:53:24):
This is oh so good. All right, Yeah, okay, we're
going to we can listen to it again in a
couple of minutes. Thank you so much to Stell's Spur.
Music reviewer Georgia lines new album, which is sell rickons
there's years technically her debut album, but maybe not because
she's released so much good stuff already. Is called The
Rows of Jericho will play a bit more than a
couple of minutes very quickly to Guyana and the black

(01:53:47):
Caps are doing everything they can not to take a wicket.
There've been at least two drop catches that I've seen,
multiple stumping and run out a missed opportunities. It's really
gone to the dogs. In their first five overs Afghanistan
thirty nine for none, and the black Caps had taken
all of their chances, would have about seven wickets by now.
So yeah, not going very well to start things off
in our first game of the t twenty Men's Cricket

(01:54:10):
World Cup. Anyway, I'll let you know if through any
wickets in the next few minutes. Seven to twelve on
newstalks EDB.

Speaker 1 (01:54:17):
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Jack Day and bpewre dot co dot zead for high
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Speaker 2 (01:54:26):
All the good stuff from our show is on the
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slash Jack is the best place to go. You can
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my wonderful producer Libby for doing the tough stuff. Jason
Pine is behind the mic for a week in Sport
right after the midday news. It's coming up shortly. The

(01:54:48):
black Caps still haven't got a wicket forty four for
none in Afghanistan after five point four overs. We're gonna
leave you with the incredible voice of Kiwi musician Georgia
lines from her album The Rows of Jericho. This is
say you still and I'll see you soon.

Speaker 10 (01:55:04):
I'll keep living from ookis like We're roll over.

Speaker 11 (01:55:08):
I left my number with your neighbor shirt of Collier. Oh,
I've been waiting for you. I'm sorry waiting for you.

Speaker 10 (01:55:16):
I won't keep leaving from Sukus. That's a lot.

Speaker 3 (01:55:23):
And studying minute. We've been fine tracked.

Speaker 1 (01:55:31):
Say step, says.

Speaker 19 (01:55:33):
Still says step.

Speaker 3 (01:55:39):
And study.

Speaker 18 (01:55:43):
We've been bad, tried, say still, say still, say skin like.

Speaker 3 (01:55:53):
It, focus.

Speaker 12 (01:55:58):
Your name.

Speaker 3 (01:55:59):
We'll live, try it, keep playing for more from Saturday

(01:56:19):
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