June 14, 2024 • 7 mins
Former Fair Go Presenter Kevin Milne joined Jack Tame on Newstalk ZB – to discuss quality long-from interviews.
Milne told Jack Tame “The ‘Between Two Beers’ Interview with Mark Stafford is the most extraordinary interview I’ve heard in years.”
Milne said “Every revelation was astonishing and sometimes bitterly sad.”
He said lot of broadcasters complain that the days of quality interviews are behind us – but he can only urge them to listen to the Mark Stafford interview.
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Speaker 1 (00:07):
You're listening to this Saturday Morning with Jack Teams podcast
from news Talks at bee Ah.
Speaker 2 (00:13):
Thank you for your feedback. A lot of empathy this morning,
which I really appreciate.
Speaker 3 (00:16):
Jack.
Speaker 2 (00:16):
That's a classic poor you for goodness sake, though it's
obviously a two's person job. I can't stop laughing Jack,
good morning. Regarding your bean bag filling, the best way
is to add a round about a bucket or two
of foam chips to the beans. Really foam chips. The
foam check the beans, and it stops the bag from collapsing.
Having done several of them commercially, we found that it's
(00:38):
the best solution to fill up your bean bags, says
Barry from the back paddock. Very good, Jack, I fully relate.
Bean bag filling is an absolute nightmare. Jack, says Fiona.
I discovered a trick to take the static out of
styrene beans. Sprinkle inside the bag some talcum powder. The
beans no longer stick together and you can pour them easily.
I'm not sure why it works, but it surely does.
(01:00):
That's a great little tip. Okay, thank you very much
for Ona. Thank you Barry, thank you everyone who's flicking
me in a message not who knows too? Is the
text number if you want to flick mear text Kevin
Milt is with us this morning, killed Kevin.
Speaker 3 (01:12):
Great laugh, great laugh. About the bean bags?
Speaker 2 (01:16):
Have you done it before?
Speaker 3 (01:18):
No? No, I haven't. Actually, I don't think when bean
bags were last fashionable, which is about nineteen sixty, Yeah,
I don't think I could afford to buy one.
Speaker 2 (01:27):
Oh were they? It was quite a sort of desirable
item now, I mean the bean bags are pretty I thought,
well a pretty reasonably priced compared to other households both.
Speaker 3 (01:35):
So yeah, but I had no money back then.
Speaker 2 (01:37):
No fair enough.
Speaker 3 (01:40):
But that is very, very funny, and it sounds like
a pretty good idea. That's about the what was it
you put in with them?
Speaker 2 (01:47):
So you put some foam chips in them was one tip.
The other tip was that you put the tal con
powder in there, because the problem is they get all staticky,
and so after I'd managed to pull them all over
the floor and then all over the kitchen, when you
go to pick them up, they stick to your hands,
so you pick them up, and I'm not very dextrous,
so I'd pick up like five beans at a time
and then go to transfer them back into the bean bag.
(02:09):
But as I released them to get them to go
into the bean bag, they just stick to my hands. God,
it was so it was it was it was like
it was a comedy of erarors. And it was one
of those things where I just I know, I'm terrible
at stuff like that, so I don't know why I
even tried to tackle it. But I'll tell you what
made the made the time pass a little more easily
was running some podcasts on my phone while I was
(02:32):
doing it, so I could stratch from the menial task.
And that's something you've become rather passionate about, Kevin.
Speaker 3 (02:37):
Yeah, Jack, I love talk shows and interview programs. I
always have. I wish there was a Key Wee talk
show on New Zealand TV. I mean, you do longish
interviews on Q and A. But I'm thinking outside of politics, right. Yeah.
One of my sons asked me a week or two
ago whether i'd listened to you being interviewed a couple
of years ago. I think it was on the Between
(02:58):
two Beers radio podcast. Yeah yeah, and between the Between
two Beers podcasts I think has been going for a
couple of years now, But I had never heard of it.
You know, I'm of a generation really that don't are
not quite really into a podcasts. I think they're actually
videoing the podcast and now say you can see them
(03:20):
on YouTube as well. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Anyway, this week
I listened to you being interviewed all two hours of it, right,
is it right? Yeah?
Speaker 2 (03:30):
Yeah, yeah, it's quite a long interview.
Speaker 3 (03:32):
I mean, that's there's a hell of a long interview.
I found it really interesting. I feel I know you
twice as well. Now two hours may seem a long time,
but time flu What is it like to be interviewed
for that long by two interviewers?
Speaker 2 (03:49):
Yeah, I mean I really really enjoyed the experience because
they're really there's such thoughtful guys, the two hosts of
Between two Bers. They're really thoughtful, lovely, you know, inquisitive,
but quite funny and gentle guys. And yeah, I mean,
you know, dare I say, I'm probably like you know,
a few of us in our industry love talking about ourselves.
(04:11):
Given so two hours talking about yourself and it seems
to fly by.
Speaker 3 (04:15):
Oh yes, well I thought it was really good. In
credit for the Between two Bears podcast has to go
to these As you said, these two excellent interviewers, Stephen
Holloway and Seamus Martin. Yeah, a lot of older New
Zealanders won't heard of won't have heard of these guys.
Their research is superb and the main thing is they
(04:36):
know when to shut up and let the interview e
tell their story. Their interviews said to have a sort
of sporting twist of them, though not all of them.
My son told me not to miss their interview with
Mark Stafford. All I knew of Mark Stafford was he
used to be the tabs guy giving us the odds
from the sideline at big rugby matches. I've got to
(04:59):
say I reckon The between two Beers interview with Mark
Stafford is the most extraordinary interview I've heard in years.
If you thought Mark was just that smiling guy who
told you the odds, you couldn't be more wrong. This
interview was one hour long, but packed with so many
astounding life stories from Mark. I don't know Mark at all.
(05:23):
Every revelation was astonishing and sometimes bitterly sad. Yeah, you
will have heard that interview if you listen to that one.
Speaker 2 (05:31):
No, I haven't yet, but that sounds like a really
good one. I know Mark a bit, so that'll be
that'd be a great one to go on.
Speaker 3 (05:36):
Yeah, well, it's unbelievable. You know a lot of old
broadcasters complained that the days of quality interviews interviews sort
of went out the door with Brian Edwards and Ian
Fraser and now Kim Hill. I can only urge them
to find the Between Two Beers podcasts and first listen
to the Mark Stafford interview. It's gold. Yeah, then have
(06:01):
listened to some of the others. They're absolutely first class,
including the interview with you Jack.
Speaker 2 (06:06):
Oh yeah, thanks, Kevin. I agree, I mean they are that.
They are extraordinary interviews. And it's funny. I often think
about the ways we consume media going in two directions,
because you know, we always talk about TikTok and Instagram
and how people have really short attention spans, But I
actually think that similarly, it's going in the other direction
(06:27):
as well. There's a real appreciation for in depth, really thoughtful,
long form conversations, and that's what podcasts allows, you know,
that they allow those really big and you can be
doing something like filling your bean bag, wiling away a
couple of hours and listening to it and it's absolutely fantastic.
Speaker 3 (06:45):
I thought it was extraordinary. And you know all about
these things because you're your age. I'm mine. I urge
people my age to start giving these long form interviews
a listen.
Speaker 2 (06:56):
Yeah, I agree. It's a really good piece of advice there.
If you want to listen to Between two Beers, you
can find it on iHeartRadio. So just search Between two
Beers on iHeartRadio and you'll be able to find it.
And there are lots of other podcast options as well.
You can you can kind of listen to them on demand,
so you can just pick it and you can go
back through the old catalog, the whole catalog of different
(07:18):
interviews they've done over the years. It's superb, So thank
you very much for that, Kevin. We'll make sure we've
got a link up on our website newstalk SDB dot
co dot inded Ford slash Jack so that you can
navigate your way through to those podcasts.
Speaker 1 (07:32):
For more from Saturday Morning with Jack Tame, listen live
to News Talks EDB from nine am Saturday, or follow
the podcast on iHeartRadio.
You're listening to this Saturday Morning with Jack Teams podcast
from news Talks at bee Ah.
Speaker 2 (00:13):
Thank you for your feedback. A lot of empathy this morning,
which I really appreciate.
Speaker 3 (00:16):
Jack.
Speaker 2 (00:16):
That's a classic poor you for goodness sake, though it's
obviously a two's person job. I can't stop laughing Jack,
good morning. Regarding your bean bag filling, the best way
is to add a round about a bucket or two
of foam chips to the beans. Really foam chips. The
foam check the beans, and it stops the bag from collapsing.
Having done several of them commercially, we found that it's
(00:38):
the best solution to fill up your bean bags, says
Barry from the back paddock. Very good, Jack, I fully relate.
Bean bag filling is an absolute nightmare. Jack, says Fiona.
I discovered a trick to take the static out of
styrene beans. Sprinkle inside the bag some talcum powder. The
beans no longer stick together and you can pour them easily.
I'm not sure why it works, but it surely does.
(01:00):
That's a great little tip. Okay, thank you very much
for Ona. Thank you Barry, thank you everyone who's flicking
me in a message not who knows too? Is the
text number if you want to flick mear text Kevin
Milt is with us this morning, killed Kevin.
Speaker 3 (01:12):
Great laugh, great laugh. About the bean bags?
Speaker 2 (01:16):
Have you done it before?
Speaker 3 (01:18):
No? No, I haven't. Actually, I don't think when bean
bags were last fashionable, which is about nineteen sixty, Yeah,
I don't think I could afford to buy one.
Speaker 2 (01:27):
Oh were they? It was quite a sort of desirable
item now, I mean the bean bags are pretty I thought,
well a pretty reasonably priced compared to other households both.
Speaker 3 (01:35):
So yeah, but I had no money back then.
Speaker 2 (01:37):
No fair enough.
Speaker 3 (01:40):
But that is very, very funny, and it sounds like
a pretty good idea. That's about the what was it
you put in with them?
Speaker 2 (01:47):
So you put some foam chips in them was one tip.
The other tip was that you put the tal con
powder in there, because the problem is they get all staticky,
and so after I'd managed to pull them all over
the floor and then all over the kitchen, when you
go to pick them up, they stick to your hands,
so you pick them up, and I'm not very dextrous,
so I'd pick up like five beans at a time
and then go to transfer them back into the bean bag.
(02:09):
But as I released them to get them to go
into the bean bag, they just stick to my hands. God,
it was so it was it was it was like
it was a comedy of erarors. And it was one
of those things where I just I know, I'm terrible
at stuff like that, so I don't know why I
even tried to tackle it. But I'll tell you what
made the made the time pass a little more easily
was running some podcasts on my phone while I was
(02:32):
doing it, so I could stratch from the menial task.
And that's something you've become rather passionate about, Kevin.
Speaker 3 (02:37):
Yeah, Jack, I love talk shows and interview programs. I
always have. I wish there was a Key Wee talk
show on New Zealand TV. I mean, you do longish
interviews on Q and A. But I'm thinking outside of politics, right. Yeah.
One of my sons asked me a week or two
ago whether i'd listened to you being interviewed a couple
of years ago. I think it was on the Between
(02:58):
two Beers radio podcast. Yeah yeah, and between the Between
two Beers podcasts I think has been going for a
couple of years now, But I had never heard of it.
You know, I'm of a generation really that don't are
not quite really into a podcasts. I think they're actually
videoing the podcast and now say you can see them
(03:20):
on YouTube as well. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Anyway, this week
I listened to you being interviewed all two hours of it, right,
is it right? Yeah?
Speaker 2 (03:30):
Yeah, yeah, it's quite a long interview.
Speaker 3 (03:32):
I mean, that's there's a hell of a long interview.
I found it really interesting. I feel I know you
twice as well. Now two hours may seem a long time,
but time flu What is it like to be interviewed
for that long by two interviewers?
Speaker 2 (03:49):
Yeah, I mean I really really enjoyed the experience because
they're really there's such thoughtful guys, the two hosts of
Between two Bers. They're really thoughtful, lovely, you know, inquisitive,
but quite funny and gentle guys. And yeah, I mean,
you know, dare I say, I'm probably like you know,
a few of us in our industry love talking about ourselves.
(04:11):
Given so two hours talking about yourself and it seems
to fly by.
Speaker 3 (04:15):
Oh yes, well I thought it was really good. In
credit for the Between two Bears podcast has to go
to these As you said, these two excellent interviewers, Stephen
Holloway and Seamus Martin. Yeah, a lot of older New
Zealanders won't heard of won't have heard of these guys.
Their research is superb and the main thing is they
(04:36):
know when to shut up and let the interview e
tell their story. Their interviews said to have a sort
of sporting twist of them, though not all of them.
My son told me not to miss their interview with
Mark Stafford. All I knew of Mark Stafford was he
used to be the tabs guy giving us the odds
from the sideline at big rugby matches. I've got to
(04:59):
say I reckon The between two Beers interview with Mark
Stafford is the most extraordinary interview I've heard in years.
If you thought Mark was just that smiling guy who
told you the odds, you couldn't be more wrong. This
interview was one hour long, but packed with so many
astounding life stories from Mark. I don't know Mark at all.
(05:23):
Every revelation was astonishing and sometimes bitterly sad. Yeah, you
will have heard that interview if you listen to that one.
Speaker 2 (05:31):
No, I haven't yet, but that sounds like a really
good one. I know Mark a bit, so that'll be
that'd be a great one to go on.
Speaker 3 (05:36):
Yeah, well, it's unbelievable. You know a lot of old
broadcasters complained that the days of quality interviews interviews sort
of went out the door with Brian Edwards and Ian
Fraser and now Kim Hill. I can only urge them
to find the Between Two Beers podcasts and first listen
to the Mark Stafford interview. It's gold. Yeah, then have
(06:01):
listened to some of the others. They're absolutely first class,
including the interview with you Jack.
Speaker 2 (06:06):
Oh yeah, thanks, Kevin. I agree, I mean they are that.
They are extraordinary interviews. And it's funny. I often think
about the ways we consume media going in two directions,
because you know, we always talk about TikTok and Instagram
and how people have really short attention spans, But I
actually think that similarly, it's going in the other direction
(06:27):
as well. There's a real appreciation for in depth, really thoughtful,
long form conversations, and that's what podcasts allows, you know,
that they allow those really big and you can be
doing something like filling your bean bag, wiling away a
couple of hours and listening to it and it's absolutely fantastic.
Speaker 3 (06:45):
I thought it was extraordinary. And you know all about
these things because you're your age. I'm mine. I urge
people my age to start giving these long form interviews
a listen.
Speaker 2 (06:56):
Yeah, I agree. It's a really good piece of advice there.
If you want to listen to Between two Beers, you
can find it on iHeartRadio. So just search Between two
Beers on iHeartRadio and you'll be able to find it.
And there are lots of other podcast options as well.
You can you can kind of listen to them on demand,
so you can just pick it and you can go
back through the old catalog, the whole catalog of different
(07:18):
interviews they've done over the years. It's superb, So thank
you very much for that, Kevin. We'll make sure we've
got a link up on our website newstalk SDB dot
co dot inded Ford slash Jack so that you can
navigate your way through to those podcasts.
Speaker 1 (07:32):
For more from Saturday Morning with Jack Tame, listen live
to News Talks EDB from nine am Saturday, or follow
the podcast on iHeartRadio.
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