June 14, 2024 • 8 mins
DocEdge 2024 starts next week – featuring 66 local and international films.
It will be in cinemas across Auckland, Wellington and Christchurch – up until July 19th.
Francesa Rudkin reviews ‘Rather Be Ashes Than Dust’ on Saturday Morning with Jack Tame:
“It is absolutely exhausting – an interesting first-hand look at how humans can get out of control, and Hong Kong governance digs their feet in to keep China happy.”
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Speaker 1 (00:07):
You're listening to the Saturday Morning with Jack team podcast
from News Talks at Me.
Speaker 2 (00:12):
It is time to get our movie picks for this weekend.
The thing you'll be watching when relaxing in your bean
bag and Francesca Rudkin as well this morning.
Speaker 3 (00:21):
Hey Francesca, good morning.
Speaker 2 (00:23):
You're quite a tasteful person. Do you feel like bean
bags are having a.
Speaker 4 (00:26):
Moment having a moment?
Speaker 2 (00:28):
Yeah, I sort of feel like they're sort of back
in you know, they sort of. There was about nineteen
sixty eight they were hot, and now twenty twenty four,
bean bags are back.
Speaker 4 (00:36):
Baby, No, bean bags have been back for a while, actually, Jack,
it depends on the age of the people that live
in your home, but especially outdoor bean bags. Yes, have
been back for a while.
Speaker 2 (00:47):
Outdoor bean bags definitely have been a thing for a while.
But I reckon your indoor bean bags are sort.
Speaker 3 (00:52):
Of if you should get in and out of the
bean bag, Jack, Yes, Yes, when we're talking about your
indoors versus your outdoors, really it's the inversus out In
another sense that matters.
Speaker 2 (01:05):
The doc Film Festival is kicking off and we're going
to have like a couple of films that are screening
there such an amazing festival, and I mean, I'm an
absolute suck of a documentary, so i love it. Let's
start off with rather be ashes than dust, tell us about.
Speaker 5 (01:20):
It, Okay. So this is directed by Adam Lao who
is a video journalist. He lived and lived in Hong Kong,
and he starts off as documentary by giving us a
quick story lesson about how the UK transferred seignty back
to China and nineteen ninety seven they had this sort
of one country, true system principle.
Speaker 3 (01:40):
He looks at how.
Speaker 5 (01:41):
In twenty and fourteen, Beijing started to sort of exert
influence on the governance of Hong Kong and they declared
that they wanted to approve candidates to lead Hong Kong
and things, and the people very much became very concerned that,
you know, that they wouldn't have transparent elections, and the
Umbrella movement began. I'm sure people remember.
Speaker 3 (02:03):
The footage of this.
Speaker 5 (02:05):
Then we kind of step up to twenty nineteen and
this is when that movement kind of grew again, and
I'm sure once again a lot of people will remember
the footage that came out of Hong Kong for robotics
for pretty much over the space of the year. And
the reason that the movement stepped up was because there
was a murder case and China decided that they would
(02:27):
make an amendment to an existing law but meant that
a Hong Kong citizen could be tried in Taiwan or
in China if they felt free to. In Hong Kong people,
of course, we were very concerned about this because China
has quite different approach to human rights than they do.
And this led to a year of protest. So Andy
Lao was part of this. He captured as he captured
the twenty fourteen protests, and he was right in the
(02:49):
middle of the twenty and nineteen protests. And I'm going
to be honest with you, Jack, this is absolutely exhausting
this documentary. But it's just NonStop starts as protests. He
takes you along with June as he started with protests
with millions of people will in preace in the streets,
singing together or coming together. At the end of these protests,
(03:10):
the young people would stay behind and they would clear
up all the mess on the roads because this was
their home. This is they loved Hong Kong. And as
you sort of follow this protest throughout the year. It
becomes riots. You follow the police brutality. There were moments
where the protesters get out of control and beat the police.
He captures all this and it gets to a point
(03:32):
at the end whereby you know, Hong Kong City, Hong
Kong is just a collection of barricades where demonstrators and protesters, rioters,
what if you'd like to call them a stuck in places,
there are arrests going on, people are disappearing, and he
just takes you on this journey to show you how
how to control that. Got at the same time asking
the question, what's my role as a journalist. I'm standing
(03:54):
here living, but I'm you know, I'm getting PTC, I'm
getting shot at, I'm dealing with this toxics, tear gas.
So it's very much a tribute to those who have
been arrested, who are still go in court cases, who
maybe you know, we see or we don't see very often.
It is very much a tribute. This film Comes Together
(04:15):
really is sort of a tribute to the people who
put their lives on the line to fight for what
they really truly believed in and human rights in Hong Kong.
But my goodness, it's an exhausting journey getting going through this.
It's a really interesting firsthand look at just how as
humans we escalate and get out of control, and how
(04:35):
the Hong Kong governants sort of dug their feet in
and you know, and keep China happy. Really fascinating.
Speaker 2 (04:41):
Yeah, Okay, great sounds. It sounds super interesting. So that's
rather be ashes than dust. And the great thing about
the Dockage Film Festival, of course, is that they have
lots of different stories. So for something completely different, tell
us about scharcot Ah.
Speaker 5 (04:55):
So this is a story of legendary Kiweed's League player
Mark Graham, and the documentary is made by his son
Luke Graham, and it celebrates Mak's incredible, amazing career. Is
one of the toughest ever players to be on a
league field, and I think league lovers league fans will
(05:16):
absolutely love it. There is a focus on certain games
and certain series, such as the Kiwi's Kangaroo series in
nineteen eighty five. All the big names of league feature
in this documentary telling stories, telling us what was going
on behind the scenes. Graham Low plays a large part,
of course, in the documentary because he played a large
party Mark Graham's career. At the beginning of the film,
(05:39):
luke sister his dad, Hey, do you know why we're
making this film? And it's really clear that Mark Graham
is a reluctant player in this documentary, and he says,
you're my son. This is going to be great for
your career, and I'm going to do anything I can
to help your looks goes. But he notes, I don't
think anyone's going to watch this. I really don't think
anyone's going to watch this. But I help you out,
(06:01):
But I don't think anyone's going to watch it. I
think a lot of people are going to watch it
because it's not just a league story. It's also a
film that looks at the sacrifice is made to be
a professional amateur sports person, you know, the strain at
chock on his body, the strain at check on his family.
Mike separated from Luke's mother when he was ten, and
you know, Mark was superman to Luke, but he was
(06:24):
an absent father. He was not around a lot. And
it's this beautiful story of father and son kind of
coming together later in life. Also had to deal with
a terrible family tragedy. So it's sort of this also
this lovely tribute to sons trying to make their fathers
proud of them.
Speaker 3 (06:42):
It's sort of.
Speaker 5 (06:43):
Yeah, it's a family story as well as this incredible
league story. I was at the footage of the league
jack like the other day, watching you know, Reece whiles
she get taken out in the state of Barger. I
was sitting at home horrified that was nothing had footage.
Speaker 2 (07:01):
Film rugby league in the eighties, especially just that it
was just basically grieve bodily harm a round a Yeah,
so that's sharko. That sounds that sounds fantastic, And I
don't want to give too much away, but I'm very
pleased to announce that we're going to be talking to
Mark and Luke Graham next weekend on Saturday morning. So
I cannot wait for that.
Speaker 5 (07:20):
Yeah, No, I'll definitely listen. Mark is a quiet gentleman.
He doesn't say a lot.
Speaker 3 (07:24):
Yeah, he's a real gentleman.
Speaker 5 (07:26):
He doesn't want attention. He was a successful lead player,
just wants to get on with his life.
Speaker 1 (07:30):
Now.
Speaker 5 (07:31):
Hey, look Docge dot m z as where you Go.
Forty three feature films is going to be christ to
its Wellington bot home. Outside of that, you can do
the virtual cinema that kicks off on the subject of July,
so go check out Docage dot mz. So good true.
Speaker 2 (07:44):
I know that one of those other films that is
showing at dock Edge is Citizen Sleuth, which is follows
a story of a true crime podcaster from Appalachia blurring
the line between fact and entertainment as she sort of
investigates a mysterious local death. And I know that you
guys have the filmmaker and the podcaster. The film was
about on the show tomorrow for the Sunday session, So
(08:04):
that'll be superb. Thank you so much. Francisca dot dot
z is the website. We'll make sure we put it
on our website as well.
Speaker 1 (08:12):
For more from Saturday Morning with Jack Tame, listen live
to News Talk ZEDB from nine am Saturday, or follow
the podcast on iHeartRadio.
You're listening to the Saturday Morning with Jack team podcast
from News Talks at Me.
Speaker 2 (00:12):
It is time to get our movie picks for this weekend.
The thing you'll be watching when relaxing in your bean
bag and Francesca Rudkin as well this morning.
Speaker 3 (00:21):
Hey Francesca, good morning.
Speaker 2 (00:23):
You're quite a tasteful person. Do you feel like bean
bags are having a.
Speaker 4 (00:26):
Moment having a moment?
Speaker 2 (00:28):
Yeah, I sort of feel like they're sort of back
in you know, they sort of. There was about nineteen
sixty eight they were hot, and now twenty twenty four,
bean bags are back.
Speaker 4 (00:36):
Baby, No, bean bags have been back for a while, actually, Jack,
it depends on the age of the people that live
in your home, but especially outdoor bean bags. Yes, have
been back for a while.
Speaker 2 (00:47):
Outdoor bean bags definitely have been a thing for a while.
But I reckon your indoor bean bags are sort.
Speaker 3 (00:52):
Of if you should get in and out of the
bean bag, Jack, Yes, Yes, when we're talking about your
indoors versus your outdoors, really it's the inversus out In
another sense that matters.
Speaker 2 (01:05):
The doc Film Festival is kicking off and we're going
to have like a couple of films that are screening
there such an amazing festival, and I mean, I'm an
absolute suck of a documentary, so i love it. Let's
start off with rather be ashes than dust, tell us about.
Speaker 5 (01:20):
It, Okay. So this is directed by Adam Lao who
is a video journalist. He lived and lived in Hong Kong,
and he starts off as documentary by giving us a
quick story lesson about how the UK transferred seignty back
to China and nineteen ninety seven they had this sort
of one country, true system principle.
Speaker 3 (01:40):
He looks at how.
Speaker 5 (01:41):
In twenty and fourteen, Beijing started to sort of exert
influence on the governance of Hong Kong and they declared
that they wanted to approve candidates to lead Hong Kong
and things, and the people very much became very concerned that,
you know, that they wouldn't have transparent elections, and the
Umbrella movement began. I'm sure people remember.
Speaker 3 (02:03):
The footage of this.
Speaker 5 (02:05):
Then we kind of step up to twenty nineteen and
this is when that movement kind of grew again, and
I'm sure once again a lot of people will remember
the footage that came out of Hong Kong for robotics
for pretty much over the space of the year. And
the reason that the movement stepped up was because there
was a murder case and China decided that they would
(02:27):
make an amendment to an existing law but meant that
a Hong Kong citizen could be tried in Taiwan or
in China if they felt free to. In Hong Kong people,
of course, we were very concerned about this because China
has quite different approach to human rights than they do.
And this led to a year of protest. So Andy
Lao was part of this. He captured as he captured
the twenty fourteen protests, and he was right in the
(02:49):
middle of the twenty and nineteen protests. And I'm going
to be honest with you, Jack, this is absolutely exhausting
this documentary. But it's just NonStop starts as protests. He
takes you along with June as he started with protests
with millions of people will in preace in the streets,
singing together or coming together. At the end of these protests,
(03:10):
the young people would stay behind and they would clear
up all the mess on the roads because this was
their home. This is they loved Hong Kong. And as
you sort of follow this protest throughout the year. It
becomes riots. You follow the police brutality. There were moments
where the protesters get out of control and beat the police.
He captures all this and it gets to a point
(03:32):
at the end whereby you know, Hong Kong City, Hong
Kong is just a collection of barricades where demonstrators and protesters, rioters,
what if you'd like to call them a stuck in places,
there are arrests going on, people are disappearing, and he
just takes you on this journey to show you how
how to control that. Got at the same time asking
the question, what's my role as a journalist. I'm standing
(03:54):
here living, but I'm you know, I'm getting PTC, I'm
getting shot at, I'm dealing with this toxics, tear gas.
So it's very much a tribute to those who have
been arrested, who are still go in court cases, who
maybe you know, we see or we don't see very often.
It is very much a tribute. This film Comes Together
(04:15):
really is sort of a tribute to the people who
put their lives on the line to fight for what
they really truly believed in and human rights in Hong Kong.
But my goodness, it's an exhausting journey getting going through this.
It's a really interesting firsthand look at just how as
humans we escalate and get out of control, and how
(04:35):
the Hong Kong governants sort of dug their feet in
and you know, and keep China happy. Really fascinating.
Speaker 2 (04:41):
Yeah, Okay, great sounds. It sounds super interesting. So that's
rather be ashes than dust. And the great thing about
the Dockage Film Festival, of course, is that they have
lots of different stories. So for something completely different, tell
us about scharcot Ah.
Speaker 5 (04:55):
So this is a story of legendary Kiweed's League player
Mark Graham, and the documentary is made by his son
Luke Graham, and it celebrates Mak's incredible, amazing career. Is
one of the toughest ever players to be on a
league field, and I think league lovers league fans will
(05:16):
absolutely love it. There is a focus on certain games
and certain series, such as the Kiwi's Kangaroo series in
nineteen eighty five. All the big names of league feature
in this documentary telling stories, telling us what was going
on behind the scenes. Graham Low plays a large part,
of course, in the documentary because he played a large
party Mark Graham's career. At the beginning of the film,
(05:39):
luke sister his dad, Hey, do you know why we're
making this film? And it's really clear that Mark Graham
is a reluctant player in this documentary, and he says,
you're my son. This is going to be great for
your career, and I'm going to do anything I can
to help your looks goes. But he notes, I don't
think anyone's going to watch this. I really don't think
anyone's going to watch this. But I help you out,
(06:01):
But I don't think anyone's going to watch it. I
think a lot of people are going to watch it
because it's not just a league story. It's also a
film that looks at the sacrifice is made to be
a professional amateur sports person, you know, the strain at
chock on his body, the strain at check on his family.
Mike separated from Luke's mother when he was ten, and
you know, Mark was superman to Luke, but he was
(06:24):
an absent father. He was not around a lot. And
it's this beautiful story of father and son kind of
coming together later in life. Also had to deal with
a terrible family tragedy. So it's sort of this also
this lovely tribute to sons trying to make their fathers
proud of them.
Speaker 3 (06:42):
It's sort of.
Speaker 5 (06:43):
Yeah, it's a family story as well as this incredible
league story. I was at the footage of the league
jack like the other day, watching you know, Reece whiles
she get taken out in the state of Barger. I
was sitting at home horrified that was nothing had footage.
Speaker 2 (07:01):
Film rugby league in the eighties, especially just that it
was just basically grieve bodily harm a round a Yeah,
so that's sharko. That sounds that sounds fantastic, And I
don't want to give too much away, but I'm very
pleased to announce that we're going to be talking to
Mark and Luke Graham next weekend on Saturday morning. So
I cannot wait for that.
Speaker 5 (07:20):
Yeah, No, I'll definitely listen. Mark is a quiet gentleman.
He doesn't say a lot.
Speaker 3 (07:24):
Yeah, he's a real gentleman.
Speaker 5 (07:26):
He doesn't want attention. He was a successful lead player,
just wants to get on with his life.
Speaker 1 (07:30):
Now.
Speaker 5 (07:31):
Hey, look Docge dot m z as where you Go.
Forty three feature films is going to be christ to
its Wellington bot home. Outside of that, you can do
the virtual cinema that kicks off on the subject of July,
so go check out Docage dot mz. So good true.
Speaker 2 (07:44):
I know that one of those other films that is
showing at dock Edge is Citizen Sleuth, which is follows
a story of a true crime podcaster from Appalachia blurring
the line between fact and entertainment as she sort of
investigates a mysterious local death. And I know that you
guys have the filmmaker and the podcaster. The film was
about on the show tomorrow for the Sunday session, So
(08:04):
that'll be superb. Thank you so much. Francisca dot dot
z is the website. We'll make sure we put it
on our website as well.
Speaker 1 (08:12):
For more from Saturday Morning with Jack Tame, listen live
to News Talk ZEDB from nine am Saturday, or follow
the podcast on iHeartRadio.
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