June 14, 2024 • 12 mins
John Barrowman became an instant hit with sci-fi fans around the world when he made his debut in Doctor Who back in 2005.
His character - Captain Jack Harkness's popularity saw him become a recurring presence in the BBC series and he later took centre stage in the successful spin-off series Torchwood.
He starred in superhero series Arrow - alongside finding huge success in theatre roles on Broadway and the West End.
John is currently in New Zealand for this weekend's pop culture convention Armageddon and Jack Tame on Newstalk ZB Saturday Morning.
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Speaker 1 (00:07):
You're listening to the Saturday Morning with Jack Teams podcast
from News Talks at b.
Speaker 2 (00:13):
My Yest this morning is actor John Barrowman, who became
an instant hit with sci fi fans around the world
when he made his debut on Doctor Who back in
two thousand and five, almost twenty years ago now. His
character Captain Jack Heartness's popularity saw him become a recurring
presence in the BBC series, and he later took center
(00:33):
stage in the successful spin off series Torch Would. He
starred in superhero series Arrow and found huge success in
theater roles on Broadway and the West End. John Barrowman
is currently in New Zealand for this weekend's pop culture
convention Armageddon, and he's with us this morning.
Speaker 3 (00:51):
Calder, Good morning, good morning, good morning.
Speaker 4 (00:54):
And it's this sunny day here in Auckland. It's absolutely fabulous.
Speaker 2 (00:58):
John. I know you've been here before. You know, you
might have been here a couple of times, but you've
got to be very careful when you're promising anything when
it comes to the weather. In all at this time
of year.
Speaker 4 (01:09):
I have been here in the summertime, and I've been
here in the winter. I've been to the South Island
in the winter, and it's funny everybody says, oh, it's
freezing cold, it's going to be freezing. We actually find
it quite mild here, even though you guys might find
it cold. So it's a it's a welcome break from
the one hundred and twenty five degree about you know,
the heat in California that's happening right now.
Speaker 2 (01:31):
So yeah, yeah, I get that fair enough. It's a
welcome reprieve at this time of year.
Speaker 3 (01:36):
It is.
Speaker 2 (01:37):
I don't know how how you feel your kind of
national allegiances being pulled in every which direction these days?
By any chance, are you a football fan?
Speaker 4 (01:46):
Uh?
Speaker 3 (01:47):
Well, are you asking that because of Scotland or yeah.
Speaker 2 (01:50):
Yeah, because of Scotland This morning it's it's a very
difficult time to be a Scottish football fan.
Speaker 3 (01:55):
Well, I mean, has.
Speaker 4 (01:57):
It not always been a difficult time a Scottish football fan?
This is I think what's great at the moment is
and I haven't been following it as closely as probably
I should, you know, being at my country of birth,
but I know this is an opportunity for the team
from Scotland to either step out and become one of
those historic national teams that takes the reins and does
(02:19):
something brilliant, or they can step into the realm of
being a team that has you know, they they don't
do as well as they thought, but the fact of
the matter is it's bringing people together. And it's exactly
like what we do in the convention world. We bring
people together to celebrate something that we really love.
Speaker 3 (02:37):
See the way I did that.
Speaker 2 (02:38):
Yeah, that was very slick. That was very very very smooth. Look,
if if you get sick of the acting world, you
could always you know, do a bit more presenting. You know,
just these kind of these kind of seguays are invaluable
in that business.
Speaker 4 (02:51):
They're good, No, but I wish them the best of
luck because as always it's the big games like that
that and I know Germany are are on the tenderfoots
and you know with all that kind of stuff.
Speaker 3 (03:03):
So I wish Scotland the best of luck. Gonya say
all loved the country proud?
Speaker 2 (03:08):
Yeah, yeah, I think I think they're gonna need every
little sliver of luck that anyone can wish them. After
this morning, anyway, what is it, what's it like for you?
Just see, give us, give us some context, what it's
like traveling across the world and seeing how much love
there is still for a show like Doctor Who, Well,
(03:30):
it just.
Speaker 4 (03:30):
Goes to prove that a show that tells stories that
people can relate to, and that audiences can relate to,
and people can see themselves in the characters, not only
with Doctor Who, but Torch Would and other you know,
superhero generated type shows, I say, or fantasy shows, science
(03:51):
fiction shows.
Speaker 3 (03:52):
But the fact of the matter.
Speaker 4 (03:53):
That you know, you can come somewhere like to Auckland,
or you can be in some place in Australia, even
even however remote it is. I was in a restaurant
last night here in Ackland, having dinner, sitting chatting, and
we were talking to a young person who was from
She was not a native of New Zealand, but they
(04:16):
had emigrated and we were sitting chatting and talking and
she looked at me and she said, you look an
awful lot like and I you know, I chuckled. So
you get recognized all over the world. And the fact
that you know, uh, it's still popular, the stories are
still being told. It's just incredible. It's the gift that
keeps on giving. That's the only way I can describe it.
Speaker 2 (04:38):
And is there any way you can distill the magic?
But what what is it? What is it for a
show like Doctor Who or Torch with that that really has,
you know, that is connected with people in an enduring way.
Speaker 4 (04:50):
Well, I think, like I said, I think it's the
fact that anybody sitting watching it can see themselves in
those characters that are represented on on television. And we
were probably are generation of Doctor Who and also Torch would.
Speaker 3 (05:09):
We were the ones who were first to bring those
characters to light.
Speaker 4 (05:13):
They were flawed, they were they they they did things
that were wrong.
Speaker 3 (05:18):
They did you know, they tried.
Speaker 4 (05:19):
To save the day, they didn't succeed or they did succeed.
And also we were representing different types of people. We had,
you know, a married couple, we had single individuals. We
had somebody who was you know, we called Captain Jack
at that time omnisexual, but clearly he was he was
gay or bisexual, and it was it was really stepping
(05:41):
out and representing in a way that had never been
represented on television, particularly myself being an openly gay man
who was playing an you know, an omnisexual hero on television.
Speaker 3 (05:53):
It was a big, big, deal.
Speaker 2 (05:55):
Yeah, it's funny, right because you can kind of you know,
when you think about progress that has been made for
for rainbow communities in the last few decades, it's sort
of easy to take that, you know, that kind of
role and that kind of prominence for granted. But but
that that must have been something you were very very
aware of at the time. Was it when when you
when you first started playing Captain Jack? Was that was
(06:17):
that something? Did you feel anxiety about it?
Speaker 3 (06:19):
No?
Speaker 4 (06:20):
I didn't, actually, because when I was in an interview
I said something.
Speaker 3 (06:24):
It was one of the episode, was the episode.
Speaker 4 (06:26):
Where Jack kissed the doctor and Rose and somebody said,
do you realize In the interview, I said something, They said,
you realize you've just come out?
Speaker 3 (06:34):
And I went, have I ever been in You know,
I've I've lived my life.
Speaker 4 (06:39):
I've tried to you know, you don't Some people feel
they don't have to wear a banner saying you know.
Speaker 3 (06:46):
What what their their who their true self is.
Speaker 4 (06:49):
But others do. And that's the that's the beauty of
our community. We help others, uh to stand up and
to be themselves. But also it's uh, you know, yeah,
I don't think I had anxiety over it. You know,
obviously people had said to me, your career is going
to tank if you come out.
Speaker 3 (07:06):
Well, you know what, I'd rather have a career.
Speaker 4 (07:08):
That's a roller coaster and and take some risks because
I want to live my life.
Speaker 3 (07:14):
I want to be myself. I want to introduce my husband,
my now husband, to the world.
Speaker 4 (07:18):
I don't want to hide. I want to have relationships
like everybody else. I want to have fun.
Speaker 3 (07:22):
And that was part of why why I did it.
Speaker 4 (07:26):
But you know, more so in the show, the writing
was the one that you know, Russell and the team
of writers, they were the ones who kind of launched
into it. And really the audience and the press kind
of when did that just happen?
Speaker 3 (07:42):
You know, and it was it was something that was
you know, they we everyone was like, oh, okay, so
this is the route we're going.
Speaker 4 (07:49):
But what great is now there's a whole new generation
of young people who may not know the history of
what happened, ye, but now they're seeing the doctor who
is who is you know, I think he's represented as
being you know, I want to say gay, but if
I'm incorrect, I apologize.
Speaker 2 (08:10):
Sorry. Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah yeah, so there's.
Speaker 4 (08:15):
A whole new generation who think, oh, this is the
new and it's great, but you know, there is a history.
Like everything, there is a history that leads us to
this point and we can't forget that history.
Speaker 1 (08:25):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (08:25):
Hey, you released an album last year right Seen to
Stage I did that was made with the Royal Philharmonical Orchestra.
How did that come about?
Speaker 3 (08:34):
Well?
Speaker 4 (08:34):
I literally I tried to do an album every couple
of years and it was the first musical theater album
I've done in a very very long time, and I
wanted the songs to represent a journey and my career
through musical theater and television and entertainment and all related
to the stage and.
Speaker 3 (08:54):
The Royal Philharmonic.
Speaker 4 (08:55):
We just approached them myself and Matt Brinde, my musical director.
Speaker 3 (09:00):
And hold, they were there and.
Speaker 4 (09:02):
It's, if I could say so, it's just an amazing,
incredible out and to listen to it with the lush
orchestrations and to know that I have the Philharmonic behind me,
it's just incredible. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (09:13):
Yeah, yeah, It's really special, isn't it. How do you
feel about the kind of trajectory of entertainment and how
Musical theater fits into that because for our listeners who
might not know you have you have a rich history
in musical theater. Obviously you've had you know, big screen
roles as well. But do you think that musical theater
is kind of as as as relevant, as prominent, as
(09:34):
popular as it has always been, or in the Netflix era,
do you think it's perhaps not not holding the place
it once did.
Speaker 3 (09:41):
Well.
Speaker 4 (09:42):
Musical theater, I think is even more prominent now than
it has been because you've got shows like Shmiga Dune,
you've got other other TV shows. I was just seeing
an episode of The Boys the other night, and there's
musical numbers incorporated in most shows now. And I think
that's theo that audiences people realize and networks realize that
(10:05):
people want to be in attained and to throw snippets
of different types of entertainment into programming and also, uh
in you know things that you're watching really gives it
some diversity. And also, you know, music is an extension
in musical theater.
Speaker 3 (10:20):
When we can't speak what we feel, we sing it.
Speaker 4 (10:23):
And that's also where people are realizing, because what do
you do when you're by yourself in the house and
you're happier, you're joyful, you sing, you sing someone else's song,
you hum a tune. So again, it's reflecting what people
actually do.
Speaker 3 (10:36):
And I know people will.
Speaker 4 (10:36):
Go, oh, we don't walk around singing, Well you kind
of do, you just don't want to admit it.
Speaker 2 (10:42):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, I love that. So what's the plan
for Amagadden this weekend?
Speaker 4 (10:46):
Well, it's the plan is it's all about the fan family,
and it's about having uh, celebrating diversity, celebrating TV shows,
pop culture.
Speaker 3 (10:57):
And we're gonna have a lot of fun.
Speaker 4 (10:59):
I've got my panel, which I you know, cosplay myself
and a kind of a gender bending way of something
and some of the shows that I've been in so
I do that. It's going to be like an hour
of stand up and then we do autograph signings and
we have an event tonight. So it's a packed weekend.
And if it's raining outside, come on and see us,
(11:21):
because it's always warm and sunny indoors when we're doing
one of the conventions and AMAgeddon.
Speaker 2 (11:26):
Yeah fantastic. Hey, look, it's so good to have you
back in New Zealand, and thank you very much for
giving us your time and I hope you can enjoy
it today.
Speaker 3 (11:33):
I will, and it's really lovely to be back.
Speaker 4 (11:35):
I enjoy coming here and it's lovely to be welcomed
with all that New Zealand love.
Speaker 2 (11:41):
Fantastic that is John Barrowman. The Armageddon Expo has kicked
off today. It's on well, kicked off yesterday. I think
Winter Geddon the calling it.
Speaker 1 (11:50):
This year.
Speaker 2 (11:51):
It's Auckland's Showgrounds until six pm tonight and then tomorrow
from nine till five as well. You can go to
armageddonexpo dot com for all of the details.
Speaker 1 (12:01):
For more from Saturday Morning with Jack Tame, listen live
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or follow the podcast on iHeartRadio
You're listening to the Saturday Morning with Jack Teams podcast
from News Talks at b.
Speaker 2 (00:13):
My Yest this morning is actor John Barrowman, who became
an instant hit with sci fi fans around the world
when he made his debut on Doctor Who back in
two thousand and five, almost twenty years ago now. His
character Captain Jack Heartness's popularity saw him become a recurring
presence in the BBC series, and he later took center
(00:33):
stage in the successful spin off series Torch Would. He
starred in superhero series Arrow and found huge success in
theater roles on Broadway and the West End. John Barrowman
is currently in New Zealand for this weekend's pop culture
convention Armageddon, and he's with us this morning.
Speaker 3 (00:51):
Calder, Good morning, good morning, good morning.
Speaker 4 (00:54):
And it's this sunny day here in Auckland. It's absolutely fabulous.
Speaker 2 (00:58):
John. I know you've been here before. You know, you
might have been here a couple of times, but you've
got to be very careful when you're promising anything when
it comes to the weather. In all at this time
of year.
Speaker 4 (01:09):
I have been here in the summertime, and I've been
here in the winter. I've been to the South Island
in the winter, and it's funny everybody says, oh, it's
freezing cold, it's going to be freezing. We actually find
it quite mild here, even though you guys might find
it cold. So it's a it's a welcome break from
the one hundred and twenty five degree about you know,
the heat in California that's happening right now.
Speaker 2 (01:31):
So yeah, yeah, I get that fair enough. It's a
welcome reprieve at this time of year.
Speaker 3 (01:36):
It is.
Speaker 2 (01:37):
I don't know how how you feel your kind of
national allegiances being pulled in every which direction these days?
By any chance, are you a football fan?
Speaker 4 (01:46):
Uh?
Speaker 3 (01:47):
Well, are you asking that because of Scotland or yeah.
Speaker 2 (01:50):
Yeah, because of Scotland This morning it's it's a very
difficult time to be a Scottish football fan.
Speaker 3 (01:55):
Well, I mean, has.
Speaker 4 (01:57):
It not always been a difficult time a Scottish football fan?
This is I think what's great at the moment is
and I haven't been following it as closely as probably
I should, you know, being at my country of birth,
but I know this is an opportunity for the team
from Scotland to either step out and become one of
those historic national teams that takes the reins and does
(02:19):
something brilliant, or they can step into the realm of
being a team that has you know, they they don't
do as well as they thought, but the fact of
the matter is it's bringing people together. And it's exactly
like what we do in the convention world. We bring
people together to celebrate something that we really love.
Speaker 3 (02:37):
See the way I did that.
Speaker 2 (02:38):
Yeah, that was very slick. That was very very very smooth. Look,
if if you get sick of the acting world, you
could always you know, do a bit more presenting. You know,
just these kind of these kind of seguays are invaluable
in that business.
Speaker 4 (02:51):
They're good, No, but I wish them the best of
luck because as always it's the big games like that
that and I know Germany are are on the tenderfoots
and you know with all that kind of stuff.
Speaker 3 (03:03):
So I wish Scotland the best of luck. Gonya say
all loved the country proud?
Speaker 2 (03:08):
Yeah, yeah, I think I think they're gonna need every
little sliver of luck that anyone can wish them. After
this morning, anyway, what is it, what's it like for you?
Just see, give us, give us some context, what it's
like traveling across the world and seeing how much love
there is still for a show like Doctor Who, Well,
(03:30):
it just.
Speaker 4 (03:30):
Goes to prove that a show that tells stories that
people can relate to, and that audiences can relate to,
and people can see themselves in the characters, not only
with Doctor Who, but Torch Would and other you know,
superhero generated type shows, I say, or fantasy shows, science
(03:51):
fiction shows.
Speaker 3 (03:52):
But the fact of the matter.
Speaker 4 (03:53):
That you know, you can come somewhere like to Auckland,
or you can be in some place in Australia, even
even however remote it is. I was in a restaurant
last night here in Ackland, having dinner, sitting chatting, and
we were talking to a young person who was from
She was not a native of New Zealand, but they
(04:16):
had emigrated and we were sitting chatting and talking and
she looked at me and she said, you look an
awful lot like and I you know, I chuckled. So
you get recognized all over the world. And the fact
that you know, uh, it's still popular, the stories are
still being told. It's just incredible. It's the gift that
keeps on giving. That's the only way I can describe it.
Speaker 2 (04:38):
And is there any way you can distill the magic?
But what what is it? What is it for a
show like Doctor Who or Torch with that that really has,
you know, that is connected with people in an enduring way.
Speaker 4 (04:50):
Well, I think, like I said, I think it's the
fact that anybody sitting watching it can see themselves in
those characters that are represented on on television. And we
were probably are generation of Doctor Who and also Torch would.
Speaker 3 (05:09):
We were the ones who were first to bring those
characters to light.
Speaker 4 (05:13):
They were flawed, they were they they they did things
that were wrong.
Speaker 3 (05:18):
They did you know, they tried.
Speaker 4 (05:19):
To save the day, they didn't succeed or they did succeed.
And also we were representing different types of people. We had,
you know, a married couple, we had single individuals. We
had somebody who was you know, we called Captain Jack
at that time omnisexual, but clearly he was he was
gay or bisexual, and it was it was really stepping
(05:41):
out and representing in a way that had never been
represented on television, particularly myself being an openly gay man
who was playing an you know, an omnisexual hero on television.
Speaker 3 (05:53):
It was a big, big, deal.
Speaker 2 (05:55):
Yeah, it's funny, right because you can kind of you know,
when you think about progress that has been made for
for rainbow communities in the last few decades, it's sort
of easy to take that, you know, that kind of
role and that kind of prominence for granted. But but
that that must have been something you were very very
aware of at the time. Was it when when you
when you first started playing Captain Jack? Was that was
(06:17):
that something? Did you feel anxiety about it?
Speaker 3 (06:19):
No?
Speaker 4 (06:20):
I didn't, actually, because when I was in an interview
I said something.
Speaker 3 (06:24):
It was one of the episode, was the episode.
Speaker 4 (06:26):
Where Jack kissed the doctor and Rose and somebody said,
do you realize In the interview, I said something, They said,
you realize you've just come out?
Speaker 3 (06:34):
And I went, have I ever been in You know,
I've I've lived my life.
Speaker 4 (06:39):
I've tried to you know, you don't Some people feel
they don't have to wear a banner saying you know.
Speaker 3 (06:46):
What what their their who their true self is.
Speaker 4 (06:49):
But others do. And that's the that's the beauty of
our community. We help others, uh to stand up and
to be themselves. But also it's uh, you know, yeah,
I don't think I had anxiety over it. You know,
obviously people had said to me, your career is going
to tank if you come out.
Speaker 3 (07:06):
Well, you know what, I'd rather have a career.
Speaker 4 (07:08):
That's a roller coaster and and take some risks because
I want to live my life.
Speaker 3 (07:14):
I want to be myself. I want to introduce my husband,
my now husband, to the world.
Speaker 4 (07:18):
I don't want to hide. I want to have relationships
like everybody else. I want to have fun.
Speaker 3 (07:22):
And that was part of why why I did it.
Speaker 4 (07:26):
But you know, more so in the show, the writing
was the one that you know, Russell and the team
of writers, they were the ones who kind of launched
into it. And really the audience and the press kind
of when did that just happen?
Speaker 3 (07:42):
You know, and it was it was something that was
you know, they we everyone was like, oh, okay, so
this is the route we're going.
Speaker 4 (07:49):
But what great is now there's a whole new generation
of young people who may not know the history of
what happened, ye, but now they're seeing the doctor who
is who is you know, I think he's represented as
being you know, I want to say gay, but if
I'm incorrect, I apologize.
Speaker 2 (08:10):
Sorry. Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah yeah, so there's.
Speaker 4 (08:15):
A whole new generation who think, oh, this is the
new and it's great, but you know, there is a history.
Like everything, there is a history that leads us to
this point and we can't forget that history.
Speaker 1 (08:25):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (08:25):
Hey, you released an album last year right Seen to
Stage I did that was made with the Royal Philharmonical Orchestra.
How did that come about?
Speaker 3 (08:34):
Well?
Speaker 4 (08:34):
I literally I tried to do an album every couple
of years and it was the first musical theater album
I've done in a very very long time, and I
wanted the songs to represent a journey and my career
through musical theater and television and entertainment and all related
to the stage and.
Speaker 3 (08:54):
The Royal Philharmonic.
Speaker 4 (08:55):
We just approached them myself and Matt Brinde, my musical director.
Speaker 3 (09:00):
And hold, they were there and.
Speaker 4 (09:02):
It's, if I could say so, it's just an amazing,
incredible out and to listen to it with the lush
orchestrations and to know that I have the Philharmonic behind me,
it's just incredible. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (09:13):
Yeah, yeah, It's really special, isn't it. How do you
feel about the kind of trajectory of entertainment and how
Musical theater fits into that because for our listeners who
might not know you have you have a rich history
in musical theater. Obviously you've had you know, big screen
roles as well. But do you think that musical theater
is kind of as as as relevant, as prominent, as
(09:34):
popular as it has always been, or in the Netflix era,
do you think it's perhaps not not holding the place
it once did.
Speaker 3 (09:41):
Well.
Speaker 4 (09:42):
Musical theater, I think is even more prominent now than
it has been because you've got shows like Shmiga Dune,
you've got other other TV shows. I was just seeing
an episode of The Boys the other night, and there's
musical numbers incorporated in most shows now. And I think
that's theo that audiences people realize and networks realize that
(10:05):
people want to be in attained and to throw snippets
of different types of entertainment into programming and also, uh
in you know things that you're watching really gives it
some diversity. And also, you know, music is an extension
in musical theater.
Speaker 3 (10:20):
When we can't speak what we feel, we sing it.
Speaker 4 (10:23):
And that's also where people are realizing, because what do
you do when you're by yourself in the house and
you're happier, you're joyful, you sing, you sing someone else's song,
you hum a tune. So again, it's reflecting what people
actually do.
Speaker 3 (10:36):
And I know people will.
Speaker 4 (10:36):
Go, oh, we don't walk around singing, Well you kind
of do, you just don't want to admit it.
Speaker 2 (10:42):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, I love that. So what's the plan
for Amagadden this weekend?
Speaker 4 (10:46):
Well, it's the plan is it's all about the fan family,
and it's about having uh, celebrating diversity, celebrating TV shows,
pop culture.
Speaker 3 (10:57):
And we're gonna have a lot of fun.
Speaker 4 (10:59):
I've got my panel, which I you know, cosplay myself
and a kind of a gender bending way of something
and some of the shows that I've been in so
I do that. It's going to be like an hour
of stand up and then we do autograph signings and
we have an event tonight. So it's a packed weekend.
And if it's raining outside, come on and see us,
(11:21):
because it's always warm and sunny indoors when we're doing
one of the conventions and AMAgeddon.
Speaker 2 (11:26):
Yeah fantastic. Hey, look, it's so good to have you
back in New Zealand, and thank you very much for
giving us your time and I hope you can enjoy
it today.
Speaker 3 (11:33):
I will, and it's really lovely to be back.
Speaker 4 (11:35):
I enjoy coming here and it's lovely to be welcomed
with all that New Zealand love.
Speaker 2 (11:41):
Fantastic that is John Barrowman. The Armageddon Expo has kicked
off today. It's on well, kicked off yesterday. I think
Winter Geddon the calling it.
Speaker 1 (11:50):
This year.
Speaker 2 (11:51):
It's Auckland's Showgrounds until six pm tonight and then tomorrow
from nine till five as well. You can go to
armageddonexpo dot com for all of the details.
Speaker 1 (12:01):
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