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August 23, 2024 12 mins

We Were Dangerous is a brand-new Kiwi film about girlhood, rebellion and violence – but it has friendship at its heart. 

Although the story is fictional, it comes at a time that makes you feel it could have been plucked right from the history books. 

It follows a misfit trio of Nellie, Daisy, and Lou, determined to rally against the system in 1950’s New Zealand.  

The film won the Special Jury Prize at SXSW this year and made its premiere at the Auckland launch of the New Zealand International Film Festival. 

Erana James and Nathalie Morris, Nellie and Lou, joined Jack Tame for a chat about the making of the film, the story it follows, and the success it has found. 

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Speaker 1 (00:07):
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Speaker 2 (00:12):
We Were Dangerous as a brand new Kiwi film about girlhood,
about rebellion and violence with friendship at its core. Although
the story is fictional, it comes said at a time
that makes you feel like it could have been plucked
right from the New Zealand history books. The film won
the Special Jury Prize at south By Southwest this year
and made its premiere at the Auckland launch of the

(00:34):
New Zealand International Film Festival.

Speaker 3 (00:36):
Have a listen.

Speaker 2 (00:40):
This island has a long history of accommodating dubious characters.

Speaker 4 (00:44):
We've got all sorts, waste, strays, sex, delinquents.

Speaker 1 (00:48):
That's a new one.

Speaker 5 (00:49):
Hi, I'm Nellie. That's Daisy fourth. Three girls in the
Leaky Hume.

Speaker 6 (00:55):
It's best not to think of the girls as wives
and mothers. It may well be beyond them.

Speaker 2 (01:05):
And with us this morning are stars of We Were Dangerous.
Edina James and Natalie Morris, who played Nlly and Lou,
two of the misfit trio in the story, Kelder card
to it, Good morning, congratulations on We Were Dangerous. It
feels like it feels like it is earning a lot
of very good hype. But what does it mean just

(01:27):
for our audience here? And can you explain what it
means to get the grand jury at the south By Southwest.

Speaker 4 (01:32):
I know it's huge. I wish we could have been there.
I mean, I know Josephine was there representing your director
A director sorry, yeah, just Instuart, you, our brilliant director
was there representing us. It was huge and I don't
think anyone expected it.

Speaker 5 (01:46):
I don't know.

Speaker 4 (01:46):
Like we filmed it two years ago, it took so
long to figure it out in the edit and then
finally get it out to the world that I think
getting that recognition, I don't know, it struck me.

Speaker 5 (01:56):
And also not having seen the film at that point,
you hadn't seen it. I hadn't then, No, I have
now at that point, I hadn't.

Speaker 2 (02:02):
So the film's winning prizes before you before you'd seen it?

Speaker 3 (02:07):
What's that?

Speaker 2 (02:07):
What's it like when you you think, oh, well, it's
probably makes me feel slightly more confident about.

Speaker 5 (02:12):
Yeah, I definitely did.

Speaker 4 (02:13):
But also there were like maybe four countries that I
had seen it before I got the chance to.

Speaker 6 (02:18):
It's funny reading reviews and being like, oh, okay, okay.

Speaker 5 (02:22):
Cool, right, right, that's yeah, that's right.

Speaker 2 (02:25):
Oh I remember, is there often disconnect when you're when
you're working on a project like that, and like between
what it feels like you're making in the moment and
then when you see the final product and you're like,
oh my gosh, actually it's this is turned out to
be slightly different in a good way or a bad
way than what I was expecting.

Speaker 5 (02:43):
I think.

Speaker 4 (02:43):
So yeah, I think if I think it just I
think me and my selfish brain. I get to see
it and I'm like, oh my god, look up everyone
else's incredible work and art that is put into it
at that point because.

Speaker 6 (02:53):
You're just so focused on your own performance that's when
you're making it. Yeah, you really get to appreciate everyone else.
But I do think that you can't. You can't lie.
Like the energy of what you watch is an energy
that was on set, So watching it, you do feel like, oh,
that's what it felt like, That's what the energy was
between us, That's what the Yeah, the energy of the
whole set was. So that's really lovely.

Speaker 4 (03:14):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (03:15):
Oh, I don't want to give all of the story
away to our audience, but it would be useful to
give them, give everyn a bit of a bit of
context here. So can you just tell us what Temurtu,
the School for Encorrigible and Delinquent Girls actually is.

Speaker 4 (03:28):
It is a school, a government sit up school where
they sent a bunch of delinquent young women away to
this island to reform. And the idea is that it
prepares us for marriage. That's you know, it's said in
nineteen fifties, and this is the idea.

Speaker 5 (03:43):
Behind the school. Fictional school.

Speaker 4 (03:45):
Yes, and that's where we all meet each other, myself, Nelly,
Lou and Daisy our trio, and we have like this
gorgeous little gang that, like this rebellious, wonderful.

Speaker 5 (04:01):
Gang that we create.

Speaker 2 (04:02):
I'm glad you use the word rebellious, but I feel
like that is the word. And I imagine and this
is just based on like the movies, right, you know,
you know when you get the script for the first
time and it kind of has like a sentence or
two describing each character as you go down there. I
would have thought words like delinquent and rebellious from an
actor's perspective would just be the most exciting things to see,

(04:25):
are they not?

Speaker 6 (04:27):
For sure?

Speaker 4 (04:27):
Yeah?

Speaker 5 (04:28):
Well, it's funny.

Speaker 6 (04:29):
My character description was like very well off, well mannered,
very pretty kind of perfect.

Speaker 3 (04:37):
You're the posh one set of the tree.

Speaker 6 (04:39):
Yeah, so I think that it was fun to discover
that underneath all of that is just rebellion.

Speaker 3 (04:47):
Yeah, to kind of unpack that a little bit.

Speaker 2 (04:49):
It's funny because in a sense, it is a heavy
kind of subject, right, Like, you know, we've we've been
talking a lot about institutions and you know, where we
put our young people in New Zealand over the last
couple of years. And despite that theme, it feels like
there's a real like lightness or like a real like

(05:13):
sense of love throughout the film that I don't know,
manages to kind of strike a really important balance. So
is that something you guys were quite conscious of.

Speaker 1 (05:21):
Yeah?

Speaker 4 (05:21):
Absolutely, And I think you know, you put like most
of the cast being Maori young women.

Speaker 5 (05:27):
And you put them in the sitting.

Speaker 4 (05:28):
Of course, all of those conversations are differently there. But
I think our main focus going into it were the
relationships between the three of us and finding the joy,
finding the connection, the humor, the I don't know, like
all of that goodness that can come out of those relationships.
And less so focusing on that on that sitting. So

(05:50):
it was something that we were definitely conscious of, and
of course the creators were conscious.

Speaker 5 (05:53):
Of as well.

Speaker 6 (05:54):
Yeah, Joe's was great. She was like, I'm holding this,
I'm holding the story. You guys can just exist in
your fun friendship Rebella. You know, I've got the I'm going.

Speaker 2 (06:03):
To take all of those other themes and yeah, everything else.
You guys just focus on each other.

Speaker 3 (06:08):
Yeah, but they seem to work.

Speaker 2 (06:10):
Yeah, isn't funny how standards have changed. I mean, I
know that it's a I know that it is a
fictional school as such, but the concept is not entirely
is not necessarily fictional. Like what did you think, nat like,
like reflecting on the standards that were expected of young women,
even you know, only seventy years or so ago.

Speaker 6 (06:30):
Now, it's funny. My mom actually showed me a list
of things that my grandma gave her when she married
my dad, like my dad's mom gave her. And it
was like, always have dinner on the table when he
gets home, tie your hair up, you know, to look
kind of nice so that he has like a little
treat when he gets home. All these things and this
is what my My parents were married in the early nineties,

(06:54):
so not that long ago.

Speaker 2 (06:55):
So hey, I'm so sorry telling anyone get in trouble here.
This was when your parents got married.

Speaker 6 (07:03):
Yes, my dad's mom, her mother in law, gave her
a list of, you know, things that.

Speaker 2 (07:11):
Her mother help being of probably of a generation that
kind of grew up in the fifties.

Speaker 6 (07:15):
Totally and lovely woman, lovely grandmother, lovely mother in law.
It was just what she thought would help the marriage.
It's just what was expected of her and what she
thought would Yeah. So not that far away from what
these girls are learning at the school.

Speaker 3 (07:29):
Yeah, that's that's amazing.

Speaker 2 (07:31):
Again, there's relatively it's relatively recent history.

Speaker 3 (07:34):
Did you reflect on that too, did you?

Speaker 4 (07:36):
I mean I didn't have any I like my mom
did not get a list, but yeah, well I didn't
know that.

Speaker 5 (07:43):
That's a good story.

Speaker 3 (07:44):
Yeah, what's it like? Working with drama did.

Speaker 4 (07:48):
Dreama is just incredible, as I was fortunate, this is
my second time working with Raema.

Speaker 5 (07:53):
She's just she's just incredible. She's so playful.

Speaker 4 (07:56):
And I don't know the way that she holds herself
a professionalism.

Speaker 5 (08:00):
She's prepared, she's so prepared.

Speaker 6 (08:04):
I feel like she's one of those actors that she's
been working for so long and it's such a professional,
but every job feels like it's her first. She comes
in with a total beginner's mindset and like the devotion
that you have when it is your first job, you know,
how seriously you take it and how much joy you
have doing it.

Speaker 3 (08:21):
Yeah, that's interesting.

Speaker 2 (08:22):
So does that mean that she kind of prepear, like
not over prepears, but prepears with the enthusiasm that perhaps
you wouldn't expect with someone of her experience.

Speaker 5 (08:32):
Yeah, totally.

Speaker 4 (08:32):
Yeah, she just strives for her craft in every moment
and everything that she does.

Speaker 1 (08:36):
Yeh.

Speaker 4 (08:37):
And working with her and the younger ensemble group as well,
the yeah teenagers cast out of high schools in christ Church,
she was just brilliant with them, like so playful and engaging,
but then in a second can just switch and like
shock them and get these really amazing performances out of them.

Speaker 5 (08:53):
So that's just brilliant.

Speaker 2 (08:55):
How conscious of you guys were were you guys about
it about it being a film about women's standards with
really strong women's central characters?

Speaker 5 (09:09):
Hmmm, I don't know.

Speaker 4 (09:12):
It's I feel like it's a joy in our industry
to be able to work with so many women on camera,
like on screen and behind behind the camera.

Speaker 3 (09:21):
Because this is the production generally had heaps of women.

Speaker 4 (09:24):
Yeah yeah, our producers Polly and Morgan, and.

Speaker 5 (09:29):
It's just phenomenal.

Speaker 4 (09:31):
So I think being able to be in a film
like this and tell stories like this with such a
strong female force behind it as well, it's just it
was really encouraging for us and.

Speaker 5 (09:42):
Just less hurdles to jump over when telling these kind
of stories.

Speaker 2 (09:45):
Yeah, yeah, I hope you don't mind nerding out for
a minute. So I grew up in Christchurch on the porthills,
and so I used to always go up to the
top of the hill and then look down at or
Tamahua Island aka Kui Island. We're going to ask for
your impressions of Kue Island right there in the middle
of Littleton Harbor. How did you find it?

Speaker 6 (10:05):
It was amazing because they also when we arrived, they
built the sets on the island, so that was and
it was it was very barren.

Speaker 4 (10:14):
The hut was already there, yeah, Big Heart was already there,
but they built out Yeah.

Speaker 6 (10:21):
Yeah, it was very serene. Very it was a long
walk from the Jenny very cold.

Speaker 3 (10:27):
It looked cold. Yeah, oh yeah, yeah.

Speaker 5 (10:30):
It was windy and yeah cold.

Speaker 3 (10:32):
I think Barren is the right way.

Speaker 2 (10:33):
Like I'm I don't know that beautiful is the word
that I would describe quite an island.

Speaker 4 (10:38):
You know.

Speaker 3 (10:38):
And it's not a criticism, I'm not.

Speaker 4 (10:40):
There's a shot in the film this drone shot or
helicopter anyway, and it's beautiful. The island looks beautiful, but
when you're on it, it's quite sparse, it is.

Speaker 6 (10:49):
Yeah, yeah, I'm very misty. Do you remember when we
were walking and you couldn't see one of the days?

Speaker 5 (10:54):
Tically very rough place to be.

Speaker 3 (10:57):
Do you know about its history? We guys made it.
Weare of its history at all?

Speaker 5 (11:01):
Maybe not so much.

Speaker 2 (11:02):
Okay, well, I don't know if this is all interesting.
I don't know if Because you were filming there for
about three days or so, it used to be a
leper colony, did you, Yeah.

Speaker 5 (11:10):
We did, sorry about it.

Speaker 4 (11:12):
Yeah, I thought that maybe that was only Matthieu Island
and Wellington Sims Island, but okay.

Speaker 2 (11:16):
Yeah, yeah, apparently we needed multiple leper colonies back in
the day. But the problem was at low tide, you
can actually like just walk across to the mainland. So
it was a leper colony. It was also the last
place that like Shackleton and Scott and how your Antarctic
history is. But they they stopped there just before going
to Antarctica. That's where all their dogs and their ponies
came from. But did you see the shipwrecks?

Speaker 5 (11:39):
No?

Speaker 3 (11:40):
Ah, Okay, you're gonna have to go back. There are shipwrecks.

Speaker 2 (11:42):
Yeah, there are shipwrecks around one side of the island
because they used to purposefully sink ships off the off
that well, just when like a ship was at the
end of its life, I'll go and sink it in
the in the water the air. But you can only
see it at like super low tired and the mudflats
that there are kind of the bones of the you know,
the old the old planks of the ship sticking out.

Speaker 3 (12:01):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (12:01):
Anyway, next next time, yeah, yeah, yeah, congratulations. It feels
like a really amazing time, like a story for this moment,
you know, And I'm just really hoping that you know,
you guys can ride the wave of success as it continue.

Speaker 4 (12:22):
Hope about audiences connect with it and enjoy it and
have a laugh as well.

Speaker 5 (12:26):
Yeah, that's that'd be ideal.

Speaker 2 (12:28):
Yeah, well we really appreciate you coming in.

Speaker 5 (12:30):
Yeah, thank you for having us. Yeah, thanks for having us.

Speaker 3 (12:33):
That is edit to James and Natalie Morris.

Speaker 2 (12:35):
They are the stars of We Were Dangerous.

Speaker 1 (12:39):
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