The World of Music, Arts and Dance Festival has all the ingredients for a good time – food, dancing, arts, and an incredible line-up of local and international artists.
English/Kiwi rock band The Veils were announced this week in the first line-up of acts to headline next year’s WOMAD festival.
The enigmatic indie band have a reputation for their intense live performances, and they’ll be teaming up with a few classical musicians for their performance at the festival.
Frontman Finn Andrews told Jack Tame that it’ll be a “pretty raucous affair”.
He said that working with classical musicians gives them the option to lean into the extremes.
“It kinda just intensifies that even more. I think it's gonna be really full on and really quiet and intimate as well.”
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Speaker 1 (00:07):
You're listening to the Saturday Morning with Jack Team podcast
from News Talks V.
Speaker 2 (00:24):
Is the Secret Key, Still in Your Hearts?
Speaker 3 (00:29):
Your Oh So Good? A More and New Zealand You
were Jack Team. This is News Talk V. I'm here
(00:50):
through the midday today. Woman has all of the ingredients
for a good time. You got your food, you got
your dancing, your arts, and an incredible lineup of local
and international artists and even some who cover both of
those categories. The English slash ki we rock band the Vales.
(01:10):
We're announced this week in the first lineup of acts
to headline next year's Woe Mad Festival. The enigmatic indie
band have a reputation for intense live performances, and The
Vales front man Finn Andrews is with us this morning.
Could Finn thank you for being with us?
Speaker 2 (01:26):
Calder Jack, nice to speak with you.
Speaker 3 (01:27):
Yeah, nice to be speaking with you. So Woe Mad
and the Veils are teaming up for a bit of
a collab right with some classical musicians Amalia Hall, Ashley
Brown and Sony Kim of Enzied Trio. So what's what's
the plan there? How does that work?
Speaker 2 (01:42):
Yeah, it's a good question. We've played together a couple
of times before in sort of smaller contexts. But they're
just the most amazing musicians I've ever played with, I think,
and they can kind of do anything you ask of them.
So it's been a lot of fun coming up with
new ways to sort of expand on the vales. And yeah,
(02:04):
it's and this is the thing time we've done it
with the full Veils band though as well. I've kind
of done it playing solo with them, but this is
the full band with them as well. So it's going
to be a pretty raucous affair.
Speaker 3 (02:18):
Yes, Is it going to be raucous? That was going
to be my next question, because when you hear you know,
classical musicians getting involved, you think, oh, it's probably less
likely to be raucous, but that's not necessarily the case.
Speaker 2 (02:29):
I think it gives you the option to, yeah, get
really big and scary, but also get really small and intimate,
which is kind of what the Veils have done on
these records throughout the years. We kind of like to
lean into the extremes. So yeah, it kind of it
(02:50):
just intensifies that even more. I think it's going to
be really full on and really yeah and really quiet
intimate as well. That's that's the plan anyway.
Speaker 3 (03:00):
Because and I'm going to get to es Fidel's in
a couple of minutes, which I think you have been
recorded it around here lately, and I think for as
Fidel's you also brought in some strings and some classical elements, right,
So I'm getting the sense that in the last couple
of years, between your solo work and the stuff with
the Veils, you have really kind of leaned into classical
(03:22):
influences and classical contributions. Is that a fair assessment.
Speaker 2 (03:27):
I suppose We've always used a lot of strings in
our records. I've always loved that part of it, This
kind of you know, you work on these things for
years and then on the last day in the studio
you get to bring in these incredible players and this
whole other texture gets brought in, and I feel like
that's always been a part I've really enjoyed. Actually, And
(03:48):
one of the great discoveries of moving back to New
Zealand a few years ago was Victoria Kelly, who wrote
all the arrangements for this record and the two previous
and that's kind of how I got linked up with
the trio. So yeah, It's something I've always enjoyed. But
I guess meeting Victoria, who's been a real kind of
(04:08):
collaborator on these last few records, it's kind of maybe
gotten more more and more extreme.
Speaker 3 (04:15):
Yeah, how has it been From a creative perspective coming home?
Speaker 2 (04:20):
It's been great? Yeah. New Zealand's always been such a
huge part of my life, and I think I often
ran away back here when I was living in London
for that twenty years.
Speaker 3 (04:30):
Do you call the time?
Speaker 2 (04:32):
Oh, very much so? Now, Yeah, I was, I was
sort of I don't know, I don't know if I
ever felt truly at home in London, but I've kind
of always bounced between the two places, so they both
have a place in my life. But I've had a
child now as well, and we're very much sort of
settled here, so it feels it feels very homely.
Speaker 3 (04:51):
Yeah, compilations and from a creative perspective as well, it's
a nourishing place to be.
Speaker 2 (04:59):
Oh, it is. I mean, I've always felt very fortunate
to have this place in my life, and I think
it's always been a lot of sort of landscapes in
our songs and or at least I can I feel
like I can see a lot of landscapes in them,
and they've always been New Zealand once, so that seems
to just, yeah, be carrying on as well.
Speaker 3 (05:18):
Yeah, right, it's twenty years since the Vails debut record,
or it's slightly more twenty one years. No one's counting,
don't worry, oh dear me, But I saw that you
said you felt a bit. Do you feelt kind of
a bit of an existential kind of feeling when reflecting
on the runaway found and the time that's passed since.
Is that something you've been afflicted by or struck by?
Speaker 2 (05:42):
Yeah, I mean I'm prone to those sorts of a
little I don't know, existential dread from time to time
as it is. But someone uploaded a picture of all
of our records like in a row. I'd never really
seen them all together before. I think that was the
beginning of, Yes, this sort of there's feelings.
Speaker 3 (06:02):
I mean, yeah, tell me about that. This seems like
a pretty simple thing to have not first of all,
to have not seen ye for that seems like quite
a simple trigger.
Speaker 2 (06:11):
Yeah it is. It's weird, right you kind of. I mean,
it's been the beautiful part of having a long hit
or you know, twenty years, I guess there's a long
time and having your life sort of marked with these
records like EA, each record just reminds me of this
very specific point in my life and the first record
(06:31):
I made when I was, you know, sixteen or whatever.
So it's kind of all of these songs from my
adolescents that are just sort of still there and you
can just sort of dip back into them, and it's
a very odd feeling. It's not something you think about
when you're starting. I suppose that your life will be
marked in this way, but it's a beautiful part of it. Yeah,
But occasionally it does get a bit overwhelming use of
(06:53):
oh god, I've been doing this quite a long time.
Speaker 3 (06:56):
Now, because you guys took a break for a couple
of years and you were doing a bit of your
solo work and then you join them back up together
and recording music performing live. How important do you think
that little spell, a little bit of time a part
has been in, you know, in the in the kind
of process for you guys continuing develop to develop from here.
Speaker 2 (07:18):
Yeah, it was important, I think. Yeah, through all the
COVID times, you know, everyone kind of took this time
out from what they did. I. Yeah, I think you're
always trying to find the worth in what you do,
and it's a hard thing sometimes to maintain. That is
kind of Yeah. I think I've I've found that again.
(07:40):
And all these various people, as they say, that I've
been collaborating with that's really revitalized it, and such amazing
musicians over here. Yeah, I think, Yeah, you have to
keep finding the thing that makes you fall in love
with it again and keep keep wanting to do it.
So far, I've always you know, you're always kind of
(08:01):
monkey swinging from one thing to the next. Year. So far,
so far, there's always in a vine in front of me,
which I'm grateful for.
Speaker 3 (08:10):
That's a very good analogy. What was it like when
you guys, you know, after the kind of COVID times
got back together and started performing live again. Did you
feel did it kind of feel like you'd reset a bit,
or did it feel like you you know, there was
there a rush that perhaps might not have been there otherwise.
Speaker 2 (08:25):
Yeah, I think it was. I mean, just since I
was sixteen, I'm just towed and towed and towed all
around the world constantly, and so that little break. It
was nice to come back to it fresh, and that
tour we did in Europe last year was one of
the best times of my life, I think, sort of
coming back into that world again. And I guess you
you know, you forget anyone kind of cares about what
(08:49):
you do after a while as well when you're out
of it, and it was nice just to remember that
this is important to a few people and that's you know,
kind of the most motivating force in the whole thing.
So yeah, that felt amazing to be back over there
and all these venues. You know, I really have spent
all of my adult life in these things, so I
(09:10):
feel and all the people you know that you meet
in these places over the years, I'd really missed all
of them. So yeah, it was really revitalizing.
Speaker 3 (09:18):
Oh fantastic. So tell us what you can about s
Fidels because you've been recording that at round here right.
Speaker 1 (09:24):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (09:25):
We recorded it last year and it's coming out early
next year. It was recorded in four days, so it
was that by far the fastest thing we've ever done.
The last record took I think four years, so this
was very much a reaction to that. I think a
kind of antidote to how intense that was. This was
just songs that I'd been working on for a long time,
(09:47):
but we just sort of went in live, played them
with the band and with strings and yeah, so it
has a quality in a directness, I hope because of
that that there wasn't any time to faf around with anything.
It's very live feeling, and yeah, I'm really proud of it,
and I'm really pleased. We've got a label now and
everything's lined up for early next year.
Speaker 3 (10:08):
Now, Oh fantastic. So you're going to be touring Europe
from very start of next year, from January or so,
and then Womade is in March. Have you been to
Wymade before?
Speaker 2 (10:17):
Yeah, I went in twenty nineteen when I was doing
the sort of solo project.
Speaker 3 (10:22):
All right, yeah, what was your impression of it? I
always think Mad is like a it's kind of hard
to describe in a sense, So it is.
Speaker 2 (10:29):
I mean, genuinely, it was one of the most beautiful
festival experiences I've ever had. It was right after Yeah,
oh man, it was such a strange time. It was
a really beautiful weekend and I I'm really happy to
get to do it with the band, I was sort
of doing it and with the solo thing it was
a sort of quieter affair. But yeah, as I say,
(10:52):
I think this will just be the perfect place for
what we're going to do with this show.
Speaker 3 (10:56):
Yeah, and am I right in thinking you are? As
well as touring with the band, you'd also doing some
new solo music pick.
Speaker 1 (11:03):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (11:03):
I mean, I've always got a few irons and fire,
but right now it's all about the Veils again and
I'm really enjoying being back in that in that world.
Speaker 3 (11:13):
Well, we're delighted that you're going to be performing at Woman.
That is such exciting news. All the very best for
the months in between, for the release of Affidels, for
your tour through Europe, and we look forward to seeing
you performing in March.
Speaker 2 (11:24):
Cheers, Jack, thanks very much, really.
Speaker 3 (11:26):
Appreciate your time. That is Finn Andrews, the frontman of
The Veils.
Speaker 1 (11:31):
For more from Saturday Morning with Jack Tame, listen live
to News talks ' b from nine am Saturday, or
follow the podcast on iHeartRadio.
You're listening to the Saturday Morning with Jack Team podcast
from News Talks V.
Speaker 2 (00:24):
Is the Secret Key, Still in Your Hearts?
Speaker 3 (00:29):
Your Oh So Good? A More and New Zealand You
were Jack Team. This is News Talk V. I'm here
(00:50):
through the midday today. Woman has all of the ingredients
for a good time. You got your food, you got
your dancing, your arts, and an incredible lineup of local
and international artists and even some who cover both of
those categories. The English slash ki we rock band the Vales.
(01:10):
We're announced this week in the first lineup of acts
to headline next year's Woe Mad Festival. The enigmatic indie
band have a reputation for intense live performances, and The
Vales front man Finn Andrews is with us this morning.
Could Finn thank you for being with us?
Speaker 2 (01:26):
Calder Jack, nice to speak with you.
Speaker 3 (01:27):
Yeah, nice to be speaking with you. So Woe Mad
and the Veils are teaming up for a bit of
a collab right with some classical musicians Amalia Hall, Ashley
Brown and Sony Kim of Enzied Trio. So what's what's
the plan there? How does that work?
Speaker 2 (01:42):
Yeah, it's a good question. We've played together a couple
of times before in sort of smaller contexts. But they're
just the most amazing musicians I've ever played with, I think,
and they can kind of do anything you ask of them.
So it's been a lot of fun coming up with
new ways to sort of expand on the vales. And yeah,
(02:04):
it's and this is the thing time we've done it
with the full Veils band though as well. I've kind
of done it playing solo with them, but this is
the full band with them as well. So it's going
to be a pretty raucous affair.
Speaker 3 (02:18):
Yes, Is it going to be raucous? That was going
to be my next question, because when you hear you know,
classical musicians getting involved, you think, oh, it's probably less
likely to be raucous, but that's not necessarily the case.
Speaker 2 (02:29):
I think it gives you the option to, yeah, get
really big and scary, but also get really small and intimate,
which is kind of what the Veils have done on
these records throughout the years. We kind of like to
lean into the extremes. So yeah, it kind of it
(02:50):
just intensifies that even more. I think it's going to
be really full on and really yeah and really quiet
intimate as well. That's that's the plan anyway.
Speaker 3 (03:00):
Because and I'm going to get to es Fidel's in
a couple of minutes, which I think you have been
recorded it around here lately, and I think for as
Fidel's you also brought in some strings and some classical elements, right,
So I'm getting the sense that in the last couple
of years, between your solo work and the stuff with
the Veils, you have really kind of leaned into classical
(03:22):
influences and classical contributions. Is that a fair assessment.
Speaker 2 (03:27):
I suppose We've always used a lot of strings in
our records. I've always loved that part of it, This
kind of you know, you work on these things for
years and then on the last day in the studio
you get to bring in these incredible players and this
whole other texture gets brought in, and I feel like
that's always been a part I've really enjoyed. Actually, And
(03:48):
one of the great discoveries of moving back to New
Zealand a few years ago was Victoria Kelly, who wrote
all the arrangements for this record and the two previous
and that's kind of how I got linked up with
the trio. So yeah, It's something I've always enjoyed. But
I guess meeting Victoria, who's been a real kind of
(04:08):
collaborator on these last few records, it's kind of maybe
gotten more more and more extreme.
Speaker 3 (04:15):
Yeah, how has it been From a creative perspective coming home?
Speaker 2 (04:20):
It's been great? Yeah. New Zealand's always been such a
huge part of my life, and I think I often
ran away back here when I was living in London
for that twenty years.
Speaker 3 (04:30):
Do you call the time?
Speaker 2 (04:32):
Oh, very much so? Now, Yeah, I was, I was
sort of I don't know, I don't know if I
ever felt truly at home in London, but I've kind
of always bounced between the two places, so they both
have a place in my life. But I've had a
child now as well, and we're very much sort of
settled here, so it feels it feels very homely.
Speaker 3 (04:51):
Yeah, compilations and from a creative perspective as well, it's
a nourishing place to be.
Speaker 2 (04:59):
Oh, it is. I mean, I've always felt very fortunate
to have this place in my life, and I think
it's always been a lot of sort of landscapes in
our songs and or at least I can I feel
like I can see a lot of landscapes in them,
and they've always been New Zealand once, so that seems
to just, yeah, be carrying on as well.
Speaker 3 (05:18):
Yeah, right, it's twenty years since the Vails debut record,
or it's slightly more twenty one years. No one's counting,
don't worry, oh dear me, But I saw that you
said you felt a bit. Do you feelt kind of
a bit of an existential kind of feeling when reflecting
on the runaway found and the time that's passed since.
Is that something you've been afflicted by or struck by?
Speaker 2 (05:42):
Yeah, I mean I'm prone to those sorts of a
little I don't know, existential dread from time to time
as it is. But someone uploaded a picture of all
of our records like in a row. I'd never really
seen them all together before. I think that was the
beginning of, Yes, this sort of there's feelings.
Speaker 3 (06:02):
I mean, yeah, tell me about that. This seems like
a pretty simple thing to have not first of all,
to have not seen ye for that seems like quite
a simple trigger.
Speaker 2 (06:11):
Yeah it is. It's weird, right you kind of. I mean,
it's been the beautiful part of having a long hit
or you know, twenty years, I guess there's a long
time and having your life sort of marked with these
records like EA, each record just reminds me of this
very specific point in my life and the first record
(06:31):
I made when I was, you know, sixteen or whatever.
So it's kind of all of these songs from my
adolescents that are just sort of still there and you
can just sort of dip back into them, and it's
a very odd feeling. It's not something you think about
when you're starting. I suppose that your life will be
marked in this way, but it's a beautiful part of it. Yeah,
But occasionally it does get a bit overwhelming use of
(06:53):
oh god, I've been doing this quite a long time.
Speaker 3 (06:56):
Now, because you guys took a break for a couple
of years and you were doing a bit of your
solo work and then you join them back up together
and recording music performing live. How important do you think
that little spell, a little bit of time a part
has been in, you know, in the in the kind
of process for you guys continuing develop to develop from here.
Speaker 2 (07:18):
Yeah, it was important, I think. Yeah, through all the
COVID times, you know, everyone kind of took this time
out from what they did. I. Yeah, I think you're
always trying to find the worth in what you do,
and it's a hard thing sometimes to maintain. That is
kind of Yeah. I think I've I've found that again.
(07:40):
And all these various people, as they say, that I've
been collaborating with that's really revitalized it, and such amazing
musicians over here. Yeah, I think, Yeah, you have to
keep finding the thing that makes you fall in love
with it again and keep keep wanting to do it.
So far, I've always you know, you're always kind of
(08:01):
monkey swinging from one thing to the next. Year. So far,
so far, there's always in a vine in front of me,
which I'm grateful for.
Speaker 3 (08:10):
That's a very good analogy. What was it like when
you guys, you know, after the kind of COVID times
got back together and started performing live again. Did you
feel did it kind of feel like you'd reset a bit,
or did it feel like you you know, there was
there a rush that perhaps might not have been there otherwise.
Speaker 2 (08:25):
Yeah, I think it was. I mean, just since I
was sixteen, I'm just towed and towed and towed all
around the world constantly, and so that little break. It
was nice to come back to it fresh, and that
tour we did in Europe last year was one of
the best times of my life, I think, sort of
coming back into that world again. And I guess you
you know, you forget anyone kind of cares about what
(08:49):
you do after a while as well when you're out
of it, and it was nice just to remember that
this is important to a few people and that's you know,
kind of the most motivating force in the whole thing.
So yeah, that felt amazing to be back over there
and all these venues. You know, I really have spent
all of my adult life in these things, so I
(09:10):
feel and all the people you know that you meet
in these places over the years, I'd really missed all
of them. So yeah, it was really revitalizing.
Speaker 3 (09:18):
Oh fantastic. So tell us what you can about s
Fidels because you've been recording that at round here right.
Speaker 1 (09:24):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (09:25):
We recorded it last year and it's coming out early
next year. It was recorded in four days, so it
was that by far the fastest thing we've ever done.
The last record took I think four years, so this
was very much a reaction to that. I think a
kind of antidote to how intense that was. This was
just songs that I'd been working on for a long time,
(09:47):
but we just sort of went in live, played them
with the band and with strings and yeah, so it
has a quality in a directness, I hope because of
that that there wasn't any time to faf around with anything.
It's very live feeling, and yeah, I'm really proud of it,
and I'm really pleased. We've got a label now and
everything's lined up for early next year.
Speaker 3 (10:08):
Now, Oh fantastic. So you're going to be touring Europe
from very start of next year, from January or so,
and then Womade is in March. Have you been to
Wymade before?
Speaker 2 (10:17):
Yeah, I went in twenty nineteen when I was doing
the sort of solo project.
Speaker 3 (10:22):
All right, yeah, what was your impression of it? I
always think Mad is like a it's kind of hard
to describe in a sense, So it is.
Speaker 2 (10:29):
I mean, genuinely, it was one of the most beautiful
festival experiences I've ever had. It was right after Yeah,
oh man, it was such a strange time. It was
a really beautiful weekend and I I'm really happy to
get to do it with the band, I was sort
of doing it and with the solo thing it was
a sort of quieter affair. But yeah, as I say,
(10:52):
I think this will just be the perfect place for
what we're going to do with this show.
Speaker 3 (10:56):
Yeah, and am I right in thinking you are? As
well as touring with the band, you'd also doing some
new solo music pick.
Speaker 1 (11:03):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (11:03):
I mean, I've always got a few irons and fire,
but right now it's all about the Veils again and
I'm really enjoying being back in that in that world.
Speaker 3 (11:13):
Well, we're delighted that you're going to be performing at Woman.
That is such exciting news. All the very best for
the months in between, for the release of Affidels, for
your tour through Europe, and we look forward to seeing
you performing in March.
Speaker 2 (11:24):
Cheers, Jack, thanks very much, really.
Speaker 3 (11:26):
Appreciate your time. That is Finn Andrews, the frontman of
The Veils.
Speaker 1 (11:31):
For more from Saturday Morning with Jack Tame, listen live
to News talks ' b from nine am Saturday, or
follow the podcast on iHeartRadio.
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