October 4, 2024 • 7 mins
Joker: Folie à Deux
Struggling with his dual identity, failed comedian Arthur Fleck meets the love of his life, Harley Quinn, while incarcerated at Arkham State Hospital.
Will and Harper
When Will Ferrell finds out his close friend of 30 years is coming out as a trans woman, the two decide to embark on a cross-country road trip to process this new stage of their relationship in an intimate portrait of friendship and transition.
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Speaker 1 (00:07):
You're listening to the Saturday Morning with Jack Tame podcast
from News Talks at Me Cara as long as a
Shassy Gundy.
Speaker 2 (00:23):
A Joker.
Speaker 3 (00:31):
The Jokers, That is Lady Gaga with the Joker, and
we are speaking about Jokers this morning because our film
review of Francisca Rudkin is here.
Speaker 2 (00:44):
Kilder, good morning.
Speaker 4 (00:46):
And her first film for us this morning is Joker
Folly a.
Speaker 2 (00:49):
Du two years ago.
Speaker 5 (00:53):
The name Arthur Fleck had got him like a hurricane.
Speaker 1 (00:58):
When I first saw Joker or once in my life,
I don't feel so alone anymore.
Speaker 4 (01:11):
M Okay, Friandisca tell us about Joker folly Adert.
Speaker 2 (01:16):
Did you see the original Joker was released about twenty nineteen.
Wakin Phenix was absolutely amazing and it really committed to
the role. The film was very grim. It was very visceral,
very violent, very dark. I don't mind films that challenge us.
I struggled with the film though, I felt that it
(01:36):
was so devoid of any hope or anything positive. I
wasn't sure what it sort of offered. I wonder what
the point of the film was. It was an origin story,
so we basically learned about who Arthur Flack was before
he became the Joker, and we learned about how he
became the Joker. He was sort of this insult, this
this outsider who was just abused by anyone and everyone
(01:59):
in his life and he turns into the psychotic killer.
So with this film, we come back to the Joker's story.
He's an at hospital awaiting trial for the murders that
we saw him doing the first Joker, and I once
again have that same sort of question. I'm not sure
what the point of this film was this time around,
(02:19):
though they've turned it into a musical. It's trying Lady
Gaga into the mix, and he's awaiting his trial. It's
the trial. He also falls in love with another impatient
played by Lady Gaga, and there's all these fantasy scenes
between the two of them, which are the musical scenes
where he sort of sees what his life could be
or kind of been, or the relationship they can have.
(02:42):
The main question this film asked is is he insane?
Does he have a split personality? Should he be found
guilty because you know he's just actually an evil guy
who there's no doubt he did the murders, or actually
is he is there a reason why he did them?
And he should be you know, acquitted for that. The problem,
of course, then becomes is you have this character called
(03:03):
Joker who burnt it's trying to burn down society and
everyone's behind him. If he admits that actually he is insane,
it's disorder, does that take the power of the Joker
and what he was trying to do and say about
society and that will belive it? Does that diminish that?
And as a character he sort of has to decide
And at the end of the day, I think you
kind of get to decide what you think about it.
(03:24):
But look, I'm going to be honest, it's Grim's It's
another our six team. This is not the kind of
comic book you know, film you think, oh speak of
for the school holidays, we take the kids along, and
I think you probably had to really enjoy the first
film to get something out of this one. I felt
like this one though, just didn't give us. It just
felt a little bit flat, not sort of enough was
really going on. And once again, Jake, you know, I'm
(03:46):
not the biggest musical fan, so maybe you also need
to be able of a fan of the musical interlude
the number.
Speaker 4 (03:52):
Okay, so that's a joker fold. Next up, let's have
a listen to Will and Harper.
Speaker 5 (03:59):
Hi there, I'm Will Ferrell, one of the greatest actors
in the world. A long time ago, back when I
was at SARINAI Live, I met a guy who was
hired as a writer the same week I was hired.
Over the years, he became one of my closest friends,
and then one day I got this email, Hey, Will,
something I need you to know. I'll be transitioning to
(04:21):
live as a woman.
Speaker 4 (04:23):
Okay, there's a good setup there, So tell us about
Will and Harper.
Speaker 2 (04:27):
So this is a documentary which is currently playing on Netflix.
And this is an example of why comedy is such
a valuable genre. Jack. It allows us to talk about difficult,
serious topics that might make us uncomfortable, you know it might.
It helps us kind of deal with a topic that
we might be curious about but we don't know much about.
(04:48):
And that's pretty much what Will Pharel does in this film.
So Andrew Steele was they started at Saturday Night Live
at the same time. He was a writer, Will was
an actor. And Andrew Steele goes on to become the
head writer for many years at Saturday Night Live and
I've been friends for thirty years. And one Andrew decides
(05:09):
to transition and becomes Halper Steel and tells Will about this,
and so Will's fears sort of thoughts, is okay, that's cool.
But then of course he's like, well, how does this
kind of affect your friendship? What does this kind of mean?
How do I deal with this? And Harper is the
kind of person that has always loved traveling across America,
(05:30):
stopping in small towns, love loves dives, bars and really
bad bears, And so Will says to her, Look, this
is how you've wanted to live your life. I know
that you're not. This is how this is what you
love in life. I know it's quite hard for you
to do this as Harper. Why don't we do it together.
Let's cross the country, let's travel New York, LA. And
I'm with you. Let's go and do this and see
(05:50):
how it goes. And before they left and when they
sort of start this documentary up, but it's been very
well produced. When they started, I think they thought they
kind of, you know, set up some gags and thought
about some fun things they could do. Along the way.
But then as the sort of carries on, they realized
that just letting it be, you were going to get
the humor, you were going to get the conversations. And
it's just this really lovely story about friendship. And what
(06:13):
I like about it is that although it sort of
feels like there's quite a good production behind it, Will
himself asks questions as clumsily as you or I might,
you know, like of his friend and what they've been
through and what it's like for them, and how long
we've felt like this, and you know, and asks all
sorts of questions that we're all sort of would be
curious to ask a friend if they had been through
(06:35):
a transition. So you kind of get to share that
but in a very warm, amusing, sort of accessible way.
It really, it really is, is a delight, and the
two of them to get it. Honestly, it's laugh out
loud funny at times. They're very but then there's also
a lot of seriousness in here because Will realizes that
actually he's been able to be a buffer for Harper.
(06:55):
You know, he's this fate wells most of the time,
people recognizing quite often they don't, but you know, he
was able to sort of be a buffer and as
the and it's all sort of about him at first,
but as the film progresses, Half as able to sort
of stand on her own two feet a bit more,
and she sort of takes into stage and things. But
they learn a lot as they go. But it's yeah,
it's just really gorgeous cool.
Speaker 4 (07:15):
That sounds amazing. Yeah, I like the sound of that.
That's Will and Harper. I'm a long time Will Fairrell fan,
so yeah, it's a bit of me. I reckon Francisca.
We'll make sure that Francisca's recommendations are up and available
on the News Talks EDB website, and I'm glad to
see that you agree with her. Jack Golda, Mike here
read the joker. You can put lipstick on a peg,
but yep, it's still a pig.
Speaker 1 (07:38):
For more from Saturday Morning with Jack Tame, Listen live
to News talks 'B from nine am Saturday, or follow
the podcast on iHeartRadio.
You're listening to the Saturday Morning with Jack Tame podcast
from News Talks at Me Cara as long as a
Shassy Gundy.
Speaker 2 (00:23):
A Joker.
Speaker 3 (00:31):
The Jokers, That is Lady Gaga with the Joker, and
we are speaking about Jokers this morning because our film
review of Francisca Rudkin is here.
Speaker 2 (00:44):
Kilder, good morning.
Speaker 4 (00:46):
And her first film for us this morning is Joker
Folly a.
Speaker 2 (00:49):
Du two years ago.
Speaker 5 (00:53):
The name Arthur Fleck had got him like a hurricane.
Speaker 1 (00:58):
When I first saw Joker or once in my life,
I don't feel so alone anymore.
Speaker 4 (01:11):
M Okay, Friandisca tell us about Joker folly Adert.
Speaker 2 (01:16):
Did you see the original Joker was released about twenty nineteen.
Wakin Phenix was absolutely amazing and it really committed to
the role. The film was very grim. It was very visceral,
very violent, very dark. I don't mind films that challenge us.
I struggled with the film though, I felt that it
(01:36):
was so devoid of any hope or anything positive. I
wasn't sure what it sort of offered. I wonder what
the point of the film was. It was an origin story,
so we basically learned about who Arthur Flack was before
he became the Joker, and we learned about how he
became the Joker. He was sort of this insult, this
this outsider who was just abused by anyone and everyone
(01:59):
in his life and he turns into the psychotic killer.
So with this film, we come back to the Joker's story.
He's an at hospital awaiting trial for the murders that
we saw him doing the first Joker, and I once
again have that same sort of question. I'm not sure
what the point of this film was this time around,
(02:19):
though they've turned it into a musical. It's trying Lady
Gaga into the mix, and he's awaiting his trial. It's
the trial. He also falls in love with another impatient
played by Lady Gaga, and there's all these fantasy scenes
between the two of them, which are the musical scenes
where he sort of sees what his life could be
or kind of been, or the relationship they can have.
(02:42):
The main question this film asked is is he insane?
Does he have a split personality? Should he be found
guilty because you know he's just actually an evil guy
who there's no doubt he did the murders, or actually
is he is there a reason why he did them?
And he should be you know, acquitted for that. The problem,
of course, then becomes is you have this character called
(03:03):
Joker who burnt it's trying to burn down society and
everyone's behind him. If he admits that actually he is insane,
it's disorder, does that take the power of the Joker
and what he was trying to do and say about
society and that will belive it? Does that diminish that?
And as a character he sort of has to decide
And at the end of the day, I think you
kind of get to decide what you think about it.
(03:24):
But look, I'm going to be honest, it's Grim's It's
another our six team. This is not the kind of
comic book you know, film you think, oh speak of
for the school holidays, we take the kids along, and
I think you probably had to really enjoy the first
film to get something out of this one. I felt
like this one though, just didn't give us. It just
felt a little bit flat, not sort of enough was
really going on. And once again, Jake, you know, I'm
(03:46):
not the biggest musical fan, so maybe you also need
to be able of a fan of the musical interlude
the number.
Speaker 4 (03:52):
Okay, so that's a joker fold. Next up, let's have
a listen to Will and Harper.
Speaker 5 (03:59):
Hi there, I'm Will Ferrell, one of the greatest actors
in the world. A long time ago, back when I
was at SARINAI Live, I met a guy who was
hired as a writer the same week I was hired.
Over the years, he became one of my closest friends,
and then one day I got this email, Hey, Will,
something I need you to know. I'll be transitioning to
(04:21):
live as a woman.
Speaker 4 (04:23):
Okay, there's a good setup there, So tell us about
Will and Harper.
Speaker 2 (04:27):
So this is a documentary which is currently playing on Netflix.
And this is an example of why comedy is such
a valuable genre. Jack. It allows us to talk about difficult,
serious topics that might make us uncomfortable, you know it might.
It helps us kind of deal with a topic that
we might be curious about but we don't know much about.
(04:48):
And that's pretty much what Will Pharel does in this film.
So Andrew Steele was they started at Saturday Night Live
at the same time. He was a writer, Will was
an actor. And Andrew Steele goes on to become the
head writer for many years at Saturday Night Live and
I've been friends for thirty years. And one Andrew decides
(05:09):
to transition and becomes Halper Steel and tells Will about this,
and so Will's fears sort of thoughts, is okay, that's cool.
But then of course he's like, well, how does this
kind of affect your friendship? What does this kind of mean?
How do I deal with this? And Harper is the
kind of person that has always loved traveling across America,
(05:30):
stopping in small towns, love loves dives, bars and really
bad bears, And so Will says to her, Look, this
is how you've wanted to live your life. I know
that you're not. This is how this is what you
love in life. I know it's quite hard for you
to do this as Harper. Why don't we do it together.
Let's cross the country, let's travel New York, LA. And
I'm with you. Let's go and do this and see
(05:50):
how it goes. And before they left and when they
sort of start this documentary up, but it's been very
well produced. When they started, I think they thought they
kind of, you know, set up some gags and thought
about some fun things they could do. Along the way.
But then as the sort of carries on, they realized
that just letting it be, you were going to get
the humor, you were going to get the conversations. And
it's just this really lovely story about friendship. And what
(06:13):
I like about it is that although it sort of
feels like there's quite a good production behind it, Will
himself asks questions as clumsily as you or I might,
you know, like of his friend and what they've been
through and what it's like for them, and how long
we've felt like this, and you know, and asks all
sorts of questions that we're all sort of would be
curious to ask a friend if they had been through
(06:35):
a transition. So you kind of get to share that
but in a very warm, amusing, sort of accessible way.
It really, it really is, is a delight, and the
two of them to get it. Honestly, it's laugh out
loud funny at times. They're very but then there's also
a lot of seriousness in here because Will realizes that
actually he's been able to be a buffer for Harper.
(06:55):
You know, he's this fate wells most of the time,
people recognizing quite often they don't, but you know, he
was able to sort of be a buffer and as
the and it's all sort of about him at first,
but as the film progresses, Half as able to sort
of stand on her own two feet a bit more,
and she sort of takes into stage and things. But
they learn a lot as they go. But it's yeah,
it's just really gorgeous cool.
Speaker 4 (07:15):
That sounds amazing. Yeah, I like the sound of that.
That's Will and Harper. I'm a long time Will Fairrell fan,
so yeah, it's a bit of me. I reckon Francisca.
We'll make sure that Francisca's recommendations are up and available
on the News Talks EDB website, and I'm glad to
see that you agree with her. Jack Golda, Mike here
read the joker. You can put lipstick on a peg,
but yep, it's still a pig.
Speaker 1 (07:38):
For more from Saturday Morning with Jack Tame, Listen live
to News talks 'B from nine am Saturday, or follow
the podcast on iHeartRadio.
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